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• 5[00:01:04] <ellie2> I do try again, but it just doesn't work. I use ctrl-alt-F1 to try and login instead, but even that doesn't work - it seems to start the login, but bash won't launch, just blank.
• 6[00:01:41] <ellie2> Yet as SOON as I login in ttyS0, it instantly fixes it?
• 7[00:01:55] <mass> your use debian?!!!
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• 9[00:02:41] <xyxxy> whenever i type service xrdp start, i get the following error message: Failed to start xrdp.service: Unit xrdp.service is masked. <-- what does this mean?
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• 15[00:05:14] <mass> <xyxxy> : type
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• 19[00:06:27] <xyxxy> ?
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• 24[00:07:45] <PryMar56> xyxxy, systemctl unmask xrdp.service
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• 33[00:10:56] <jmcnaught> theviajerock: what did you try? what do you want to accomplish?
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• 42[00:15:23] <wsky> can someone tell me how to use multithreading during building a kernel package?
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• 44[00:15:50] <wsky> it uses multiple threads during the kernel build process just fine but when it gets to builting the deb package it uses just one
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• 48[00:17:34] <missmbob> wsky: the main thing is really to run ccache. next time you compile it'll fly
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• 53[00:18:36] <wsky> i can see that ccache speeds up the build only after it has been built before
• 54[00:18:45] <wsky> it's not what i was looking for
• 55[00:19:01] <wsky> i'm looking for how to use many threads to build a deb
• 56[00:19:05] <wsky> and is it even possible
• 57[00:21:55] <missmbob> wsky: you should be able to use -j4 (or however many you want)
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• 59[00:23:30] <wsky> missmbob: why would i use -j4?
• 60[00:23:37] <wsky> it would onlyu slow the process down
• 61[00:23:51] <wsky> -j3 is most optimal for the system of mine
• 62[00:24:03] <wsky> but that's not an issue
• 63[00:24:14] <wsky> the issue is that it uses only one thread to build the deb
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• 66[00:25:56] <missmbob> wsky: i did say whatever you wanted. why do you think -j doesn't do it? make -j3 deb-pkg
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• 71[00:28:23] <wsky> missmbob: buddy
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• 73[00:28:46] <wsky> missmbob: -j3 builds the kernel with 3 threads but NOT THE FSKING DEB PACKAGE
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• 76[00:29:17] <wsky> the deb package buiding process uses only _ONE_ thread
• 77[00:29:30] <wsky> i want it to use _MORE_
• 78[00:29:40] <missmbob> wsky: no, buddy. make -j3 deb-pkg builds the DEB PACKAGE. read the kernel handbook. it's the new way to do it. replaced make-kpkg which i assume is what you're using.
• 79[00:30:03] <missmbob> wsky: replaced-url
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• 81[00:30:10] <wsky> missmbob: you're landing on my ignore list
• 82[00:30:22] <missmbob> i've never been happier
• 83[00:30:37] <wsky> is here anyone that has a clie?
• 84[00:30:42] <wsky> clue.
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• 88[00:33:37] <jmcnaught> wsky: you're not using the make deb-pkg method?
• 89[00:34:09] <missmbob> i linked him to the doc. *shrug*
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• 92[00:35:25] <M-alex_mayorga> wsky (IRC): I always wanted to have a clie, fine Palm PDA from Sony =)
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• 98[00:40:14] <xyxxy> how come whenever i attempt to connect to my linux machine via x2go, i get the following error message, "Connection failed. mesg: ttyname failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"?
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• 116[00:50:03] <M4GNV5> ok so i want to install both gnome-keyring:amd64 and gnome-keyring:i386 however that is only supported since version 3.20 (see replaced-url
• 117[00:50:05] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 126[00:56:22] <jmcnaught> M4GNV5: waiting for stretch might be the best course of action. you could also try recompiling the packages with the patch from that bug, but you would need to repeat this every time the packages are updated
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• 139[01:02:31] <wsky> jmcnaught: i am using deb-pkg
• 140[01:02:45] <wsky> jmcnaught: it's just that it uses just one thread during buiding the debian package
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• 142[01:02:57] <wsky> it build the kernel with 3 threads just fine but not the package
• 143[01:03:21] <kamild1996> Hey, I realized that my Debian's desktop background will sometimes randomly turn black. The desktop is still fully functional but icon labels are invisible. What can I try?
• 144[01:03:34] <kamild1996> Using LXDE btw
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• 147[01:05:22] <theviajerock> jmcnaught Thank you, and sorry I was not here.
• 148[01:05:48] <theviajerock> I want to install multiple things on the containers... Like a webserver, a database server in another and then connect it.
• 149[01:05:49] <jmcnaught> wsky: can those steps be run in parallel? you're talking about when it's making the .deb archive. storage speed is also probably the bottleneck here, not CPU performance
• 150[01:05:53] <theviajerock> Just for learn.
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• 153[01:06:07] <theviajerock> I'm reading the link that you sent.
• 154[01:06:31] <jmcnaught> theviajerock: do the containers need to be accessible by other computers on your LAN, or is just your computer good enough?
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• 159[01:09:10] <theviajerock> Just with my computer... In fact, I want to do this as a practice and then I want to buy a VPS.... I read something, I can use through NAT, with iptables I can gave access to them from my host-computer.
• 160[01:09:40] <theviajerock> But I am stuck in the part where I have to gave network to the containers... I can't get it.
• 161[01:09:45] <theviajerock> Sorry for my english by the way.
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• 163[01:10:25] <jmcnaught> theviajerock: your english is fine. the replaced-url
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• 165[01:11:48] <theviajerock> jmcnaught: Thank you, I will read right now.
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• 184[01:17:08] <M4GNV5> jmcnaught, so i tried creating gnome-keyring from source but of course it complains "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 9) ..." im wondering though, what would happen if i just add sid to my sources.list and install it from there? Can i set it up to use everything from jessie but this package and its childred from sid?
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• 189[01:17:59] <kamild1996> Hmm... Anyone here using an NVidia GPU? For desktop usage only, which one is better? Nvidia's proprietary driver or the open-source one (it's called Noveau or sth like that)?
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• 192[01:18:30] <jmcnaught> M4GNV5: there are ways to backport packages from sid ('/msg dpkg ssb' for one method) but for something that is so tightly integrated with the rest of gnome, i don't know how successful you will be doing that
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• 194[01:19:17] <jmcnaught> M4GNV5: it is absolutely unsafe to install binary packages from testing or unstable on a stable system
• 195[01:19:59] <jmcnaught> kamild1996: just use nouveau (which debian installs and uses by default)
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• 197[01:21:14] <xaa> hi
• 198[01:21:28] <xaa> could you telle me how to force rmdir with ncftp ?
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• 201[01:21:51] <kamild1996> Thanks jmcnaught but one more thing. Will I be running the latest version of Nouveau already, or can I be running a latest version by adding a repo (like AMD's mesa and padoka's/oibaf's repos)?
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• 204[01:23:11] <jmcnaught> kamild1996: with debian it's usually best not to use third party repos. On Jessie you'll have the version of nouveau that Jessie was released with. There might be a newer version of nouveau in jessie-backports. There is a newer mesa in backports.
• 205[01:23:24] <jmcnaught> kamild1996: anyways why do you need that stuff for regular desktop use?
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• 208[01:24:37] <jmcnaught> M4GNV5: kamild1996: both of you should read replaced-url
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• 210[01:24:49] <kamild1996> jmcnaught: on AMD/Intel powered configurations, I was always upgrading to 3rd party repos because they were solving some reoccuring problems I've had (like disappearing cursor after suspend, etc). I was wondering if that's a thing for NVidia too.
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• 217[01:26:23] <kamild1996> Also what's a good way to remove NVidia's driver and bring back Nouveau? Will this work? replaced-url
• 218[01:26:35] <jmcnaught> kamild1996: from what i understand for both nouveau and radeon while they might be slower, they integrate much better with the rest of the software in Debian than the nvidia and fglrx drivers do. My computer has an intel gpu though
• 219[01:26:36] <wsky> jmcnaught: the cpu performance IS the bottleneck
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• 221[01:26:56] <wsky> jmcnaught: i use system monitors
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• 223[01:27:04] <wsky> i can see what's happenning
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• 226[01:28:19] <jmcnaught> wsky: then show us, and what/how you're doing what you're doing. so far we've had to ask follow-ups because you don't provide info, and you seem to just get impatient with people that are trying to help
• 227[01:28:48] <wsky> what do you need to know more
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• 230[01:29:16] <jmcnaught> kamild1996: how did you install the nvidia driver? using the packages provided by Debian, third party packages, OEM installer script?
• 231[01:29:17] <wsky> i told you, the kernel builds with the number of threads i chose just fine, on hte other hand the deb packages use just _ONE_ thread
• 232[01:29:28] <wsky> and irun make -j3 deb-pkg
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• 234[01:30:09] <kamild1996> There's a problem to be honest, jmcnaught. I don't remember since it was a long time ago. Although I see a file named "NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-340.76.run" in my Downloads folder, so probably OEM installer script.
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• 242[01:31:50] <jmcnaught> kamild1996: that was a mistake. when you install that way it just sprays files all over your system, and apt/dpkg can't remove them for you. There is a nvidia-installer-cleanup package that you can use
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• 245[01:32:50] <jmcnaught> kamild1996: the other steps involved in switching from nvidia to nouveau are generally to remove your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/nvidiasomething), and to remove the file in /etc/modprobe.d/ that blacklists nouveau, then reboot
• 246[01:33:11] <jmcnaught> wsky: and so what is the process that is CPU bound?
• 247[01:33:43] <kamild1996> jmcnaught: When it comes to Linux, I'm all about mistakes :/ So should I use the package, remove the mentioned files, reboot and I should have nouveau running?
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• 249[01:34:29] <wsky> jmcnaught: i've vuilt it already i'd have to do that again in order to see
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• 251[01:34:42] <wsky> built*
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• 253[01:35:45] <jmcnaught> wsky: find out what that process is, look to see if it can be used in parallel.
• 254[01:35:54] <wsky> ok
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• 262[01:41:11] <kroSoft> w LtL
• 263[01:41:17] <kroSoft> how are LtL
• 264[01:41:19] <kroSoft> here
• 265[01:41:23] <kroSoft> :D
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• 285[01:52:05] <M4GNV5> jmcnaught, ^ kek "Don't hit <enter> every few words it gets hard to follow."
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• 287[01:52:50] <M4GNV5> ahh well i guess i install a vm to do my 32 bit wine stuff then
• 288[01:53:09] <jmcnaught> M4GNV5: heh yeah, when there are multiple discussions happening at once that's very true
• 289[01:53:10] <M4GNV5> ive heared that virtualbox is not free software anymore?
• 290[01:53:55] <jmcnaught> M4GNV5: virtualbox is in contrib in Debian, which is where free software that needs non-free software goes.. vbox needs something from non-free to be built i think
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• 306[02:03:29] <cyberh9> Hi :)
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• 347[02:21:59] <jesse__> I have a debian vm at work with full disk space. I can't rm, dd, or cat /dev/null on any files in order to free up space. I get a "No space left on device" error
• 348[02:22:38] <jesse__> Unfortunately, I'm not at work, but I was hoping for some ideas of what to research or try once I'm back in the morning. We can't reboot it.
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• 353[02:25:09] <Advant> If I have a static ip set in eth0, but when I bring up eth0 there isn't a ipv4 ip, why could that be?
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• 360[02:28:30] <jesse__> @Advant how did you set the static? I would look for configurations that are overriding wherever you set the static at
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• 363[02:29:26] <sharkman> good evening sirs. when i try to install skype it says it fails because i dont hav libssl1.0.0:i386 installd, but if i do dpkg --list, it shows do have it installed with "ic". what does that mean? why isnt it working? thanks!!
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• 374[02:38:21] <metaphlex> I have a debian vm at work with full disk space. I can't rm, dd, or cat /dev/null on any files in order to free up space. I get a "No space left on device" error
• 375[02:38:33] <metaphlex> Unfortunately, I'm not at work, but I was hoping for some ideas of what to research or try once I'm back in the morning. We can't reboot it.
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• 378[02:39:18] <aedinius> Way to wait to help...
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• 380[02:40:50] <TomTomTo1> sharkman: dpkg -l libssl* to paste.debian.net please.
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• 382[02:42:18] <sharkman> tomtomto1 ive been trying to fix this, but i dont really know what im doing, so i think i made it worse. here is the results of that, replaced-url
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• 391[02:49:21] <M-alex_mayorga> metaphlex (IRC): Can you grow the VM disk?
• 392[02:49:21] <TomTomTo1> sharkman: what debian version are you using? i don't recognise those version numbers.
• 393[02:50:12] <sharkman> ebian GNU/Linux stretch/sid
• 394[02:50:38] <TomTomTo1> !tell sharkman about debian-next
• 395[02:50:53] <TomTomTo1> sharkman: sid users are over there ^
• 396[02:51:18] <sharkman> oh sorry i didnt know. what do you use?
• 397[02:51:55] <TomTomTo1> debian jessie, the current stable :P
• 398[02:52:25] <sharkman> yah i should be to. whn i got started on linux my friend installed this version for me though
• 399[02:53:11] <TomTomTo1> but it looks like libssl1.0.0 has been removed from testing and unstable, so installing skype might be a problem.
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• 418[03:08:41] <theviajerock> jmcnaught: Thanks a lot for the help, I get it.
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• 439[03:18:34] <k_sze[work]> Just me or the autocompletion for update-rc.d is a bit messed up?
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• 441[03:18:49] <k_sze[work]> I get "defaults remove start stop"
• 442[03:19:05] <k_sze[work]> But there is no start or stop according to the man page of update-rc.d
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• 444[03:20:32] <k_sze[work]> Also, the man page mentions "disable" and "enable" but they don't appear in autocompletion.
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• 527[04:27:01] <theviajerock> Hi
• 528[04:27:05] <theviajerock> Somebody by here?
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• 533[04:28:34] <nevyn> no
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• 543[04:34:23] <sypher> o
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• 554[04:42:43] <theviajerock> nevyn: ok.
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• 584[04:57:28] <idontknowmeself> I wanted to know the history of why python is included and installed in most distributions by default and why ruby is not.
• 585[04:58:08] <idontknowmeself> Just curious and a Google search didn't help me find an answer to the question.
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• 838[08:13:03] <StoBrendo> hi there, may i install just 1 package from jessie-backports without having to add jessie-backports to my sources.list?
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• 841[08:13:45] <StoBrendo> i tried with : apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package" and had no luck
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• 856[08:26:16] <Drzacek> StoBrendo, do you have such entry in sources?
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• 859[08:26:53] <StoBrendo> Drzacek: I understand that if I write that entry in sources next time I update my system I'll install all available backports, but
• 860[08:26:57] <StoBrendo> I want just one
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• 882[08:40:20] <rozie> hi. what is recommended way to prevent creation of /dev/shm?
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• 885[08:40:50] <rozie> is setting RAMSHM=no in /etc/default/tmpfs enough?
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• 888[08:41:19] <babilen> rozie: What happens if you do that?
• 889[08:42:22] <rozie> didn't try yet. according to description it has nothing to do with /dev
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• 891[08:42:36] <rozie> but that's what I found when looking for the solution
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• 893[08:43:01] <rozie> and rebooting desktop is not comfortable
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• 895[08:43:10] <rozie> but testing on VM right now
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• 899[08:44:38] <rozie> no, it does not do the trick
• 900[08:45:05] <babilen> It's done by systemd and it is expected to be present.
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• 903[08:45:51] <Allanitomwesh> Hello
• 904[08:46:04] <Allanitomwesh> replaced-url
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• 906[08:46:56] <Allanitomwesh> Please support this project so it reaches funding. It is completely open hardware
• 907[08:47:36] <babilen> (according to archwiki)
• 908[08:47:44] <babilen> Allanitomwesh: No spam please
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• 914[08:50:24] <rozie> that's bad news
• 915[08:51:32] <jmcnaught> rozie: why do you want to prevent /dev/shm from being created?
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• 917[08:52:48] <rozie> because any user can access it. and put files there, with execute permissions
• 918[08:53:12] <rozie> this way it can skip noexec on /tmp
• 919[08:53:56] <winterss> hi
• 920[08:54:09] <babilen> Didn't it move to /run anyway?
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• 922[08:55:55] <jmcnaught> rozie: did you try making an entry for /dev/shm in fstab with noexec?
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• 924[08:57:09] <rozie> no. I'm trying to find solution by reading docs/net first, not experiments
• 925[08:57:23] <rozie> I can use rc.local and chmod too (and this works)
• 926[08:57:37] <rozie> just wondering how to solve it The Right Way
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• 932[08:59:16] <jmcnaught> rozie: well tmpfs(5) talks about it
• 933[08:59:25] <reev> jmcnaught hiii
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• 942[09:01:43] <jmcnaught> reev: hey did you ever figure out your cron issue?
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• 949[09:03:59] <rozie> jmcnaught: OK. it'a about /run/shm not /dev/shm, but setting noexec in fstab works indeed
• 950[09:04:02] <rozie> thank you
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• 953[09:04:37] <jmcnaught> rozie: it also mentions that /run/shm is a symlink to /dev/shm unless there is an fstab entry for /dev/shm and not /run/shm
• 954[09:04:49] <babilen> rozie: /dev/shm was part of the /run migration
• 955[09:05:14] <babilen> replaced-url
• 956[09:06:03] <babilen> I wonder why I have a symlink from /run/shm to /dev/shm :)
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• 958[09:06:18] <rozie> jmcnaught: well, it's not a symlink on my desktop Jessie. which is default installation, no /etc/default/tmpfs modification, no /etc/fstab modifications
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• 960[09:07:03] <babilen> rozie: So neither /run/shm nor /dev/shm are symlinks and you don't have an entry in /etc/fstab? Is it bind mounted?
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• 963[09:07:21] <jmcnaught> rozie: is /run/shm a symlink to /dev/shm? that's how it is on mine too
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• 967[09:09:33] <rozie> jmcnaught: yes, /run/shm is a symlink
• 968[09:09:48] <rozie> damn! direction
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• 970[09:10:04] <rozie> need coffee
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• 973[09:11:42] <jmcnaught> rozie: in tmpfs(5) i find "If an fstab entry for /dev/shm exists instead of /run/shm, then /dev/shm will continue to be used;" is a little unclear to me, but i read it (and the context) as the fstab entry should be for /run/shm
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• 979[09:13:48] <jmcnaught> however i would not be surprised if systemd makes sure that both paths exists no matter what you do
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• 982[09:16:10] <rozie> tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,noexec 0 0
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• 985[09:16:13] <rozie> this works fine
• 986[09:16:57] <rozie> I guess there's too many places to configure it
• 987[09:17:06] <rozie> fstab, /etc/default/tmpfs
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• 990[09:18:01] <jmcnaught> rozie: the /dev/shm on my system is nosuid,nodev
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• 1000[09:23:05] <rozie> jmcnaught: yes, just fstab entry is for /dev/shm not /run/shm
• 1001[09:23:20] <rozie> just wanted to show this
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• 1010[09:24:36] <jmcnaught> oh yeah, i was just pointing out that defaults includes suid and dev, which you might want to disable (which is the default)
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• 1012[09:25:05] <babilen> /lib/init/mount-functions.sh might also be of interest .. but nvm
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• 1034[09:37:12] <reev> jmcnaught : oh! I didn't noticed, sorry yeah it is working fine now but one of our machine is supposed to shutdown before midnight every day and wakes up in morning so in this case the midnight anacron is unable to run
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• 1037[09:37:36] <reev> and when machine boots there is no reload message of anacron
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• 1046[09:40:22] <Murii> I'd like to install win10 along debina,how can I do that?
• 1047[09:40:37] <Murii> I tried using unetbootin but it won't boot, I guess it's only good for linux
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• 1057[09:47:30] <Murii> c'mon,no one can help me?
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• 1059[09:48:03] <up2late> 'google multi booting
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• 1061[09:48:13] <up2late> its super easy if u actually look
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• 1063[09:48:43] <Murii> not really
• 1064[09:48:48] <Murii> I tried before I asked
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• 1069[09:51:10] <babilen> What did you do and what happened?
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• 1074[09:52:10] <jelly> Murii, you can try asking ##windows for tools to create a bootable win10 installation stick
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• 1077[09:52:53] <babilen> Don't they normally provide you USB sticks or a mechanism to write bootable CDs ?
• 1078[09:53:03] <babilen> (when you buy Windows that is)
• 1079[09:53:24] <jelly> I downloaded an .iso, no physical media.
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• 1082[09:54:51] <jelly> and used winusb to make a bootable usb image, but it's not available in debian
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• 1103[10:02:58] <babilen> jelly: You download an .iso from Microsoft these days?
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• 1127[10:09:28] <cuqa> hello, i have a problem with ipv6 on my debian 8 machine. only one ip is reachable at a time from outside
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• 1129[10:09:51] <cuqa> replaced-url
• 1130[10:09:58] <cuqa> replaced-url
• 1131[10:10:11] <cuqa> anything wrong with the configuration?
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• 1143[10:14:07] <Dagger> cuqa: not obviously. is that your own /64? it's the very first /64 in a /32 which makes it seem more likely it's one of your ISP's /64s
• 1144[10:14:26] <Dagger> (and therefore they might be doing something to stop you from using more than one IP on it)
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• 1148[10:17:03] <cuqa> the /64 is our range
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• 1151[10:17:33] <linux-fox> how can i use 'dd' to make a usb stck for installing debian?
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• 1155[10:18:28] <Mathisen> linux-fox, dd bs=4M if=/path/to/NAME.iso of=/dev/sdx status=progress && sync
• 1156[10:20:01] <babilen> Or just use "cp /path/to/NAME.iso dev/sdx"
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• 1158[10:20:06] <babilen> (not with dd though)
• 1159[10:20:33] <reev> jmcnaught are you there?
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• 1163[10:22:35] <linux-fox> ok , thank you
• 1164[10:23:27] <bibble> DNS : resolve yourself vs forward to public 3rd parties. what is best ? anything 3rd parties like 8.8.8.8 are doing to protect you ?
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• 1166[10:24:33] <babilen> Protect you from what?
• 1167[10:24:39] <koollman> bibble: do it yourself. can't trust anyone else
• 1168[10:25:11] <babilen> koollman: You didn't write your operating system yourself
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• 1170[10:25:21] <bibble> babilen: koollman , cool, was thinking the same.
• 1171[10:25:24] <babilen> (nor designed you hardware, not grown your food, ...)
• 1172[10:25:28] <bibble> babilen: lol
• 1173[10:25:29] <koollman> babilen: and I do not trust it. what's your point ? :)
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• 1177[10:26:06] <babilen> The point is that it would be good to know what kind of threat we are trying to mitigate
• 1178[10:26:46] <bibble> didn't know if connecting to dodgery authorities nsd's could be security danger, compared to just connecting to 8.8.8.8 for instance
• 1179[10:27:18] <babilen> As in somebody having an easier time to figure out which domain names you resolve?
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• 1183[10:27:37] <babilen> They could easily sniff your outgoing DNS traffic
• 1184[10:27:42] <koollman> lets see. governments changing/recording dns entries, google or another party recording what you're requesting (mostly marketing purpose)
• 1185[10:28:09] <FinalX> yeah and you running your own dns recursor is gonna change anything about that, how?
• 1186[10:28:28] <FinalX> using dnssec helps; but like babilen said, they'll still see the outgoing queries your recursor is doing
• 1187[10:28:50] <koollman> your recursor can talk to the root servers
• 1188[10:29:08] <FinalX> yes and then it needs to talk to the tld servers, and then to the domain servers
• 1189[10:29:16] <koollman> fewer intermediate parties. do not protect if the government is big enough, yes
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• 1192[10:29:21] <FinalX> all visible in clear text over the network for anyone snooping around
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• 1196[10:29:49] <koollman> at least you are not sending the request directly to someone else that will use it :)
• 1197[10:29:50] <FinalX> i do prefer to run my own, but there's something to be said about using a global one, better caching for one.
• 1198[10:29:52] <koollman> (ideally)
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• 1200[10:30:01] <babilen> .oO( Maybe bibble meant 'protect you from configuring your service wrong' )
• 1201[10:30:07] <FinalX> and higher availability in case you need to reboot your recursor, etc.
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• 1203[10:30:50] <babilen> All I meant was that it is a little pointless to discuss solutions without knowing the problem first
• 1204[10:30:59] <koollman> oh of course, arguments can go the other way : you can avoid maintaining your dns server, and benefit from a better cache
• 1205[10:33:19] <bibble> definitely like dnssec to help prevent spoofing. then direct look up helps against spoofing more ? but forwarding to multiple 3rd parties randomly perhaps has better privacy; didn't connect to a nsd, and no 3rd party receives all lookups...
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• 1207[10:34:42] <koollman> or you just write down a list of ip for the services you like most, and keep it in your /etc/hosts. A bit of a pain to maintain. but you stop asking dns servers about it. (please don't do that :) )
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• 1210[10:35:04] <bibble> :)
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• 1212[10:36:16] <bibble> ... great having advert domains added, to block them.
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• 1214[10:36:55] <rozie> well. I use unbound almost everywhere - as dns cache for servers, on desktops
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• 1216[10:37:20] <bibble> rozie: awesome, that's what I'm focusing on. unbound
• 1217[10:37:22] <rozie> it's light, stable, require almost no maintaince, dnssec enabled by default IIRC
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• 1221[10:37:57] <bibble> yep, dnssec, and that case sensitive encoding thing
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• 1225[10:38:49] <bibble> randomised case of letters in domain name, for extra security
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• 1229[10:39:46] <yottanami> I want to install Emacs-Snapshot on my machine but I got this error `...packages have unmet dependencies` here is details: replaced-url
• 1230[10:39:52] <yottanami> How should I fix this?
• 1231[10:40:13] <bibble> apt get -f
• 1232[10:40:13] * apt fetches -f
• 1233[10:40:27] <bibble> might do it
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• 1236[10:41:59] <bibble> yottanami: apt-get install -f
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• 1238[10:43:08] <yottanami> bibble, If you check my details I tried -f and result is `0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.` replaced-url
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• 1243[10:44:55] <jelly> yottanami, which debian release is this?
• 1244[10:45:06] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 1245[10:45:07] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1246[10:45:16] <bibble> see. maybe autoclean first yottanami
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• 1248[10:45:30] <jelly> yottanami, ^^ please read the above carefully and provide all the requested info
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• 1251[10:46:22] <jelly> bibble, autoclean does not solve dep. issues, it only potentially clears up some disk space
• 1252[10:46:35] <bibble> FinalX: rozie do you forward requests, or resolve directly ?
• 1253[10:46:56] <rozie> bibble: depends. usually resolve directly
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• 1255[10:47:05] <bibble> ah, see jelly . didn't know if that would help with -f afterwards
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• 1260[10:48:37] <bibble> rozie: what would be an example 'depend' for you ?
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• 1263[10:50:17] <rozie> role of machine
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• 1265[10:50:36] <rozie> on production it's direct resolving of course
• 1266[10:50:51] <rozie> on desktops... different setup
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• 1268[10:52:34] <bibble> right, . which do you value most on the desktop, security against spoofing, or more privacy ?
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• 1272[10:54:42] <yottanami> bibble, jelly Here is full details replaced-url
• 1273[10:55:08] <bibble> yottanami: jelly, there's this post about dealing with held packages. replaced-url
• 1274[10:56:38] <yottanami> bibble, jelly, Yes I checked but the output of `sudo apt-mark showhold` in nothing
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• 1280[10:58:46] <jelly> yottanami, so you're on sid, and are trying to use a package apparently over a year old from a custom repo.
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• 1282[10:59:09] <bibble> yottanami: you could try downloading those 2 packages directly, install with dpkg -i, then install Emacs again...
• 1283[10:59:15] <jelly> yottanami, ask the repo owner to build a newer one, or rebuild it yourself
• 1284[10:59:36] <bibble> or that :)
• 1285[10:59:44] <jelly> bibble, dpkg -i won't magically fix missing dependencies, either
• 1286[11:00:11] <jelly> policy output shows they're just not there at all in unstable
• 1287[11:00:12] <bibble> as in download first, replaced-url
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• 1290[11:00:45] <yottanami> bibble, jelly, I think it happens when I made my machine multiarch
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• 1292[11:00:57] <jelly> yottanami, for further sid issues, ask in #debian-next on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net)
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• 1297[11:02:29] <yottanami> jelly, I tried debian-next on freenode and it was invite only so the real one ins on irc.debian.org
• 1298[11:03:02] <jelly> that's what I just wrote, yes
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• 1302[11:04:48] <Agiofws> Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1304[11:05:52] <tuxfamily> Hi, I have Qlogic fibreoptic HBA for our SAN storage, Debian cannot detect it. I also installed firmware-qlogic. rebooted and not worked again. any idea?
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• 1306[11:06:33] <jelly> tuxfamily, alright, pastebin your "dmesg" output and "lspci -nn" too. Which HBA is it? Which Debian release?
• 1307[11:06:49] <tuxfamily> jelly: Thank you so much. I'll let you know in 2 mins
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• 1312[11:07:48] <jelly> Agiofws, deb-multimedia.org is a third party repo, the owner doesn't visit this channel very often so best ask them directly
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• 1322[11:09:43] <tuxfamily> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1328[11:10:23] <dionysus69> hello everyone, I have gnome shell and fprintd installed. I have setup fingerprints and verified it and everything but I am not getting chance to use fingerprint reader to login or to activate terminal with sudo, any ideas how can I troubleshoot this ? :(
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• 1339[11:13:52] <bibble> dionysus69: replaced-url
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• 1341[11:14:19] <bibble> I'd never even heard of it.
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• 1343[11:14:39] <dionysus69> well I wouldnt have either :D if I didnt have fingerprint reader on my laptop :)
• 1344[11:14:49] <bibble> :)
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• 1347[11:14:52] <dionysus69> also how do I check what desktop manager do I have ?
• 1348[11:15:00] <dionysus69> GDM or something else
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• 1352[11:15:27] <dionysus69> I am not really familiar with which one is used by each DE
• 1353[11:16:04] <bibble> not sure... maybe check environment variables
• 1354[11:16:28] <bibble> "env" in terminal
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• 1356[11:16:59] <bibble> doubt gdm though, as article says no problem if using that
• 1357[11:17:02] <dionysus69> GDMSESSION=default
• 1358[11:17:06] <dionysus69> sounds like gdm
• 1359[11:17:17] <bibble> :D maybe
• 1360[11:17:52] <bibble> will, you've hit a wall then...
• 1361[11:17:52] <dionysus69> well I am on stretch atm, same setup worked fine for jessie
• 1362[11:18:19] <bibble> jessie so hot right now
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• 1364[11:18:27] <dionysus69> meaninf?
• 1365[11:18:31] <dionysus69> meaning?
• 1366[11:19:06] <bibble> as in, gdm suppose to be fine by default, so must be another problem
• 1367[11:19:08] <dionysus69> I was fine with jessie but it sucks that I don't have a chance to upgrade gnome version
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• 1378[11:25:15] <f5inet> hello. I have a problem accessing a Mysql server from remote host in Debian Jessie. I created the User in MYSQL, allow from host '%', change the bind-address in my.cnf, flushed the privileges, but the user is unable to login in MYSQL server
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• 1380[11:25:18] <f5inet> any ideas?
• 1381[11:25:56] <tuxfamily> f5inet: are you getting the traffic to the server?
• 1382[11:26:31] <tuxfamily> you can use tcpdump and check whether the server responds or not
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• 1385[11:26:52] <f5inet> tuxfamily: yeah, the server is able to talk to the world. nginx server is running and serving pages
• 1386[11:27:07] <tuxfamily> haven't you blocked the mysql port in iptables ?
• 1387[11:27:44] <f5inet> i don't think so. i run 'iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --destination-port 3306 -j ACCEPT
• 1388[11:27:44] <f5inet> '
• 1389[11:28:16] <tuxfamily> mysql logs may show you some info
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• 1393[11:29:45] <f5inet> i will try tcpdump
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• 1395[11:29:52] <f5inet> and see the logs
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• 1398[11:31:52] <teraflops> f5inet: try wether the server is reachable via telnet
• 1399[11:32:14] <triter> I am trying to connect to wifi. I installed wireless tools and wpa_supplicant. I changed /etc/network/interfaces so it would connect to my network. But now I try ifup wlan0 it gives an error
• 1400[11:32:51] <triter> dbus: could not request service name: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied Connection ":1.4"is not allowed to own the service "fi.w1.wpasupplicant1" due to security policies in the configuration file
• 1401[11:33:21] <teraflops> triter: as root?
• 1402[11:33:21] <f5inet> teraflops reachable by telnet on port 3306?
• 1403[11:33:32] <triter> teraflops: yes
• 1404[11:33:39] <teraflops> telnet ip port
• 1405[11:33:43] <f5inet> ok
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• 1407[11:34:21] <teraflops> triter: : are you running NM too?
• 1408[11:34:38] <f5inet> teraflops: ok, via telnet, 'connection refused' WTF?
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• 1410[11:35:05] <teraflops> f5inet: now you have a clue
• 1411[11:35:15] <triter> teraflops: no not networkmanager, only networking.service?
• 1412[11:35:44] <f5inet> ok, i know... but... i open the port by iptables command and bind to 0.0.0.0 in my.cnf
• 1413[11:35:50] <f5inet> where i look beyond?
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• 1415[11:36:25] <triter> a more detailed explanation of the problem can be found here: replaced-url
• 1416[11:36:26] <f5inet> my.cnf also has commented the skip-networking command
• 1417[11:36:45] <teraflops> f5inet: are you trying to access the server from lan or from outside?
• 1418[11:36:53] <DoctorD90> guys, Im using md5sum -c to check files. I would like something md5deep that gives the % of hashing, but md5deep doesnt give the same output of md5sum when checking. Any suggest? maybe i wrong something. I would like md5deep gives me filename:OK when it is correct, and filename: FAILED when mismatched
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• 1420[11:37:39] <Klaus_Dieter> DoctorD90: you could cat it into pv and have md5sum read from stdin...
• 1421[11:37:59] <DoctorD90> Klaus_Dieter, example? 0o
• 1422[11:38:06] <teraflops> f5inet: also did you run mysql_safe-setup whatever is named?
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• 1424[11:38:41] <DoctorD90> pv filename | md5sum will give me the hash, then I should check "by hand" if it match with the original hashes that I stored.
• 1425[11:38:53] <Klaus_Dieter> cat filename |pv |md5sum -c /dev/stdin && echo "ok"
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• 1427[11:39:14] <DoctorD90> to store hashes i used something like ...no wait wait...
• 1428[11:39:21] <Klaus_Dieter> cat filename |pv |md5sum -c foo /dev/stdin && echo "ok"
• 1429[11:39:25] <Klaus_Dieter> soemthing like that
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• 1434[11:40:28] <DoctorD90> to hash files, i use something liek md5deep -rel (recursive, estimated time, path local) filename > filename.md5
• 1435[11:41:11] <DoctorD90> if you do (with more than 1 file hased) md5sum -c files.md5, md5sum will produce filename: ok - filename2: ok - filename: FAILED
• 1436[11:41:15] <DoctorD90> 3*
• 1437[11:41:28] <DoctorD90> I would like to get the same with md5deep ...
• 1438[11:42:12] <DoctorD90> but from im reading (maybe language barrier), md5deep options gives in matching mode, or good matches, or bad matching...not both like md5sum does
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• 1440[11:43:01] <DoctorD90> to hash i solved. I would use md5deep to match too and get a complete list of file checked, with each results
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• 1444[11:43:32] <DoctorD90> but maybe it is impossible without a script that checks 1x1, and gives results
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• 1447[11:44:27] <f5inet> teraflops: implicitly, no. i install mysql-server via aptitude/apt-get command
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• 1459[11:51:11] <g33kg1rl> I am trying to configure a ipv6 tunnel on debian 8.
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• 1464[11:53:15] <Storfiskaren> Hey guys. I have a question about gnupgp-agent. It should start automatically at startup/login, right? So if it is not running, is something wicked in my system?
• 1465[11:53:38] <g33kg1rl> I have nginx listening on the right ports, I have setup a ipv6 tunnel through herrience electric, and my AAAA record is set correctly, but I still am getting destination unreachable when trying to ping6 ipv6.google.com
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• 1469[11:55:36] <g33kg1rl> *hurricane electric (goodness me, typos)
• 1470[11:55:44] <dionysus69> which file should I add auth sufficient pam_fprintd.so? replaced-url
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• 1472[11:56:06] <dionysus69> the list of files is in gist, arch guide says this file but it is not there /etc/pam.d/system-local-login
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• 1477[11:57:57] <Dagger> g33kg1rl: pastebin your config, maybe I can spot an error
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• 1486[12:03:39] <Storfiskaren> So, nobody active to answer my question? replaced-url
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• 1489[12:04:21] <dionysus69> any ideas why gdm-fingerprint file might be missing from /etc/pam.d/ dir?
• 1490[12:04:29] <dionysus69> it is supposed to be there by default
• 1491[12:04:31] <bazhang> .v gpg-agent
• 1492[12:04:44] <bazhang> augh
• 1493[12:05:08] <f5inet> same problem with mysql. i'm stuck. some ideas?
• 1494[12:05:11] <bazhang> ,v gpg-agent
• 1495[12:05:13] <judd> No package named 'gpg-agent' was found in amd64.
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• 1497[12:05:31] <bazhang> f5inet, #mysql try there
• 1498[12:05:41] <f5inet> ty
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• 1504[12:08:52] <ShapeShifter499> hi
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• 1507[12:09:04] <ShapeShifter499> I'm trying to chroot debian and I keep getting the following error
• 1508[12:09:17] <Klaus_Dieter> Storfiskaren: gnupg-agent for me just joined the top 5 of most hated applications. they changed the intreface somehow and ever sinc then it is dicking around on my system as well
• 1509[12:09:24] <ShapeShifter499> replaced-url
• 1510[12:09:44] <ShapeShifter499> I'm not sure why this is, I'm using schroot for this
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• 1513[12:10:13] <Klaus_Dieter> Storfiskaren: gnupg-agent and networkmanager are now tied in fact....
• 1514[12:10:27] <Storfiskaren> Klaus_Dieter: OK, didn't know that. I just wanted to tryout pass, to start using some kind of password manager.
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• 1542[12:25:34] <dionysus69> hey
• 1543[12:25:39] <dionysus69> I got locked out
• 1544[12:25:43] <dionysus69> I know someone pinged me
• 1545[12:26:01] <dionysus69> if you could copy paste the message would be great !
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• 1562[12:36:09] <ShapeShifter499> fixed the issue, switched to using systemd-nspawn instead of schroot
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• 1571[12:39:31] <dionysus69> "Confirmed that HDMI audio does work however I had to configure the HDMI audio source to be higher in the list to be selected for output" how do I change priorities for audio? would be great if it changed automatically
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• 1643[13:23:06] <mar77i> hai, where can I find the network configuration on debian 6?
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• 1645[13:23:34] <c-c> ls /etc/network
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• 1647[13:24:31] <mar77i> yes, I do have an interfaces file there, but the configuration doesn't look familiar at all.
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• 1649[13:25:57] <c-c> mar77i: perhaps best replaced-url
• 1650[13:25:58] <mar77i> uh, I might as well bot the thing and check :)
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• 1653[13:27:53] <Deepfriedice> Hey all. I'm running Debian Stretch on an old (32bit) Toshiba netbook, and have noticed a strange issue. Whenever I stop moving the mouse or pressing any keys, the system will quickly freeze.
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• 1658[13:28:51] <c-c> Deepfriedice: can you see dmesg after freeze?
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• 1661[13:30:05] <Deepfriedice> I'll check.
• 1662[13:30:30] <c-c> Deepfriedice: maybe even gist or pastie
• 1663[13:30:52] <mar77i> *boot
• 1664[13:30:58] <Deepfriedice> It unfreezes once I touch anything again, it's just temporary.
• 1665[13:31:26] <c-c> ok, thats not a freeze then
• 1666[13:31:36] <Deepfriedice> Wow, dmesg is kinda scary.
• 1667[13:31:52] <Deepfriedice> [ 4052.908197] INFO: rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU
• 1668[13:31:53] <Deepfriedice> [ 4052.908227] 0-...: (1 GPs behind) idle=49b/1/0 softirq=54959/54959 fqs=0
• 1669[13:31:59] <c-c> uh, gist or pastie
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• 1671[13:32:30] <Deepfriedice> How much do you want?
• 1672[13:32:36] <c-c> I don't know what you could do with that rcu_sched CPU stall, but perhaps there is a debian stretch channel
• 1673[13:33:03] <c-c> Is there a Debian Stretch channel on freenode?
• 1674[13:34:24] <c-c> Deepfriedice: so, try to ask on #debian-next in irc.oftc.net ?
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• 1676[13:34:40] <Deepfriedice> Okay.
• 1677[13:34:43] <c-c> Deepfriedice: this particular channel is for the current stable = Debian Jessie, technically
• 1678[13:35:13] <c-c> perhaps someone here can help once they notice your message (or if you add link to gist or pastie with the dmesg)
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• 1680[13:36:08] <Deepfriedice> Alright.
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• 1740[14:15:31] <lintguy> When i try to do a multiline cat command to a file, the content get changed. Why? replaced-url
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• 1755[14:25:11] <john_rambo> I have installed CentOS inside virtualbox under debian stable (jessie) .... I am getting this error replaced-url
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• 1814[14:49:36] <lintguy> When i try to do a multiline cat command to a file, the content get changed. Why? replaced-url
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• 1821[14:52:39] <SynrG> lintguy: variable interpolation
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• 1823[14:52:47] <SynrG> er, expansion
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• 1825[14:53:18] <SynrG> lintguy: say <<'END', not <<END
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• 1827[14:54:08] <SynrG> er, 'EOF'
• 1828[14:55:09] <stardancer> i am trying to run GUI programs as a sudoer other than root and get Qt error messages. Happens trying to run VirtualBox in particular. The second error is BadAccess and to me this means that the user does not have permission for the Qt resource. Quick fix?
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• 1831[14:56:09] <lintguy> SynrG: Oh, thanks!
• 1832[14:56:19] <oats> where can I find a good guide for advanced apt usage? I'm pretty familiar with linux as a whole but I've never had to use a debian-based distro to any extent.
• 1833[14:56:31] <stardancer> man apt
• 1834[14:57:12] <stardancer> see also apt-get, sources.list
• 1835[14:57:13] <oats> stardancer: fair 'nuff
• 1836[14:57:27] <stardancer> it's advanced enough tht it should be confusing by page 5 :)
• 1837[14:57:29] <oats> stardancer: what's the difference between `apt-get` and `apt`
• 1838[14:57:39] <stardancer> apt-get gets a package
• 1839[14:57:47] <stardancer> ie apt-get install
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• 1842[14:58:10] <stardancer> you also need it for update
• 1843[14:58:20] <stardancer> apt-get update is important to use regularly
• 1844[14:58:20] <oats> is there a real difference between `apt install` and `apt-get install`?
• 1845[14:58:32] <stardancer> well dude i did say see also man apt-get
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• 1847[14:58:39] <oats> ah
• 1848[14:59:21] <stardancer> you will use it probably daily
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• 1853[15:01:13] <blingrang> Anyone know if I can make a service name dynamic in 'monit'?
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• 1855[15:01:44] <oats> fantastic
• 1856[15:01:57] <oats> there's a section in apt(8) called DIFFERENCES TO APT-GET(8)
• 1857[15:02:08] <stardancer> oats, it's thorough
• 1858[15:02:09] <blingrang> Basically, if the version of a program is x set start, stop using x1script, else use y1script
• 1859[15:02:23] <stardancer> any idea why my sudoers can't use Qt GUI programs?
• 1860[15:02:24] <oats> and apt(8) is pleasingly concise
• 1861[15:02:41] <stardancer> thorough, but concise: hallmark of good writing
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• 1888[15:13:22] <Arthur_D> hi, after upgrading Debian a while back transmission-daemon fails to start with the following error: "Failed to start transmission-daemon.service: Unit transmission-daemon.service is masked." Any assistance appreciated
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• 1890[15:14:34] <OrbsTheorem> does anybody uses mosh to connect to attach to a tmux session?
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• 1895[15:16:46] <SynrG> stardancer: try this magic spell: gksudo QT_X11_NO_MITSHM=1 qtish-thing
• 1896[15:17:00] <stardancer> i shall not try magic spells without understanding them
• 1897[15:17:10] <SynrG> stardancer: gleaned from this thread: replaced-url
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• 1899[15:17:28] <stardancer> how often have the folks at arch saved my ass supporting non-arch
• 1900[15:17:34] <SynrG> yes :)
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• 1903[15:18:19] <SynrG> so go research what that option is, then try it. not sure if my syntax was correct ...
• 1904[15:18:22] <stardancer> "sudo is not meant for graphical apps"
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• 1908[15:18:30] <stardancer> ^wtf
• 1909[15:18:33] <SynrG> well, there's some bs in there
• 1910[15:18:37] <themill> that is entirely correct
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• 1912[15:18:59] <SynrG> well, sudo *can* be used for some graphical apps. but it doesn't convey some stuff in the env
• 1913[15:19:18] <SynrG> it might be more accurate to say "sudo wasn't made with graphical apps in mind"
• 1914[15:19:20] <themill> It's a great way of getting your Xauthority owned by root or stomped on
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• 1920[15:19:34] <SynrG> that's quite true.
• 1921[15:19:39] <eSa|> ,v libcrypto++.so.8
• 1922[15:19:40] <judd> No package named 'libcrypto++.so.8' was found in amd64.
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• 1924[15:19:44] <SynrG> but "not meant for" is misleading
• 1925[15:19:49] <stardancer> very
• 1926[15:19:51] <themill> If it works, it would be because you've previously exported the MIT magic cookie
• 1927[15:19:59] <stardancer> because it was created long before linux
• 1928[15:20:01] <stardancer> duh
• 1929[15:20:06] <eSa|> ,f libcrypto++.so.8
• 1930[15:20:07] <themill> it has no right to work unless you also do a pile of other stuff
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• 1932[15:20:35] <stardancer> themill, can you explain that?
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• 1935[15:21:09] <Haris> hello all
• 1936[15:21:14] <Haris> how do I get /bin/sh on jessy ?
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• 1938[15:21:43] <themill> stardancer: other users have no ability to open windows on your display unless you give them the necessary xauth information. gksudo does that for you; sudo does not.
• 1939[15:21:46] <stardancer> what is the "QT_X11_NO_MITSHM=1" ?
• 1940[15:22:08] <Haris> npm install of tools like ws wscat fails with error ---> replaced-url
• 1941[15:22:14] <stardancer> if i use gksudo, it gives me an authentication window and the same errors appear in the console
• 1942[15:22:35] <stardancer> Haris, you use the "cd" command
• 1943[15:22:35] <SynrG> presumably, "tell qt not to try using this extension because it would require you to actually own the X server to use"
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• 1945[15:22:43] <Haris> stardancer: ?
• 1946[15:22:49] <SynrG> i never looked into it too deeply
• 1947[15:22:54] <stardancer> Haris, are you for real?
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• 1949[15:23:10] <Haris> both those statements went over me
• 1950[15:23:23] <stardancer> SynrG, ok, should i put that in an autostart or .desktop file?
• 1951[15:23:24] <Haris> ah, node is not installed
• 1952[15:23:34] <Haris> how to install node on jessie ?
• 1953[15:23:36] <SynrG> Haris: looking at your paste, it's not complaining about sh, but node. and you just figured this out :)
• 1954[15:23:37] <SynrG> at line 8
• 1955[15:23:40] <SynrG> ,v node
• 1956[15:23:41] <judd> Package: node on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-7.1; jessie: 0.3.2-7.4; wheezy: 0.3.2-7.4
• 1957[15:23:49] <Haris> node-js is installed ?
• 1958[15:23:51] <themill> Haris: did you read all of the error?
• 1959[15:23:59] <SynrG> oh, wait
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• 1962[15:24:07] <Haris> got it
• 1963[15:24:07] <SynrG> ,v nodejs
• 1964[15:24:08] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.3.1~dfsg-3; sid: 4.4.7~dfsg-2+b1; experimental: 6.0.0~dfsg-1
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• 1969[15:24:47] <SynrG> Haris: historically there's a namespace conflict with a prior package named node. the nodejs doc has stuff about this
• 1970[15:24:50] <SynrG> in a readme or so
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• 1972[15:25:03] <eSa|> ,file libcrypto++.so.8
• 1973[15:25:07] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 1975[15:25:09] <Haris> just installed node (via aptitude install node). got same error again on npm install ws wscat
• 1976[15:25:22] <Haris> hmm
• 1977[15:25:24] <SynrG> not node. nodejs.
• 1978[15:25:36] <Haris> i A nodejs - evented I/O for V8 javascript
• 1979[15:25:39] <SynrG> and see /usr/share/doc/nodejs/README.Debian, paying attention to the stuff about the name
• 1980[15:25:47] <Haris> this is aptitude search node output
• 1981[15:25:51] <Haris> nodejs is already installed
• 1982[15:26:07] <Haris> nodejs, nodejs-dev both are installed
• 1983[15:26:14] <eSa|> ,v amule
• 1984[15:26:15] <judd> Package: amule on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.2.6+debian0-8; wheezy: 2.3.1-9; jessie-multimedia: 2.3.1+git1a369e47-dmo4bp1; sid: 2.4.0~git20151120.0023527bc2-1+b3; stretch: 2.4.0~git20151120.0023527bc2-1+b3
• 1985[15:26:17] <SynrG> <SynrG> and see /usr/share/doc/nodejs/README.Debian, paying attention to the stuff about the name
• 1986[15:26:18] <SynrG> ^^^^^^^
• 1987[15:26:24] <stardancer> SynrG, would you recommend i write a script to include that statement for each user or use a .desktop? i'd like all sudoers to be able to do this (virtualbox is the offending program)
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• 1991[15:26:47] <Haris> checking
• 1992[15:26:59] <SynrG> stardancer: yeah, either. a .desktop is what i did
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• 1995[15:27:07] <SynrG> stardancer: same use case, i think :)
• 1996[15:27:17] <stardancer> basically, half a dozen of one
• 1997[15:27:19] <stardancer> thanks :):)
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• 2001[15:28:19] <Haris> please note, that readme file doesn't get one anywhere
• 2002[15:28:26] <stardancer> lxpolkit
• 2003[15:28:59] <Haris> !nodejs
• 2004[15:29:00] <dpkg> Node.js is an event-based server-side <JavaScript> engine packaged for Debian as 'nodejs'; Debian 7 "Wheezy" users can find this in <wheezy-backports>. Further help can be found in #node.js on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
• 2005[15:29:24] <Haris> npm2deb ?
• 2006[15:29:41] <Haris> what pkg do I install to get node js ?
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• 2010[15:30:25] <stardancer> this is a weird pet peeve. in english there's no space between a word an a mark such as the ?
• 2011[15:30:27] <Haris> I need npm to install ws wscat
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• 2013[15:30:29] <stardancer> ie, Are we there yet?
• 2014[15:31:01] <SynrG> stardancer: hmm. mine just has 'gksudo virtualbox' and it works.
• 2015[15:31:05] <themill> stardancer: We'd also start sentences with capital letters and put full stops in i.e.... so let's not start.
• 2016[15:31:05] <Haris> I add a white space to not make the words be .. umm .. glued together so to speak
• 2017[15:31:16] <SynrG> stardancer: a local wrapper script, which is then wrapped in a .desktop
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• 2019[15:31:37] <SynrG> mind you, that's called from lxde. but i don't see why this would be different ...
• 2020[15:31:49] <SynrG> maybe lxde has "magic glue" ;)
• 2021[15:31:50] <Haris> # aptitude install nodejs
• 2022[15:31:50] <Haris> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
• 2023[15:32:17] <SynrG> stardancer: hmmm ... looking up several lines, you said lxpolkit. <- the magic glue?
• 2024[15:32:20] <stardancer> themill, dare me to.
• 2025[15:32:28] <stardancer> lxpolkit might be the magic yes
• 2026[15:32:32] <stardancer> lemme see output
• 2027[15:32:39] <Haris> guys, what pkg do I need to install ?
• 2028[15:33:01] <SynrG> Haris: nodejs. that's it.
• 2029[15:33:13] <Haris> that's already installed. still got this error
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• 2031[15:33:20] <SynrG> Haris: do you want me to start quoting the README directly?
• 2032[15:33:38] <stardancer> the only reason i point out the question mark thing is because it makes it obvious the person is ESL, otherwise ... not so much
• 2033[15:33:40] <themill> Haris: do you have nodejs-legacy installed?
• 2034[15:33:48] <SynrG> Scripts calling Node.js as a shell command must be changed to instead
• 2035[15:33:48] <SynrG> use the "nodejs" command.
• 2036[15:33:52] <SynrG> ^^ direct quote
• 2037[15:34:15] <Haris> nope
• 2038[15:34:15] <stardancer> dur ** (lxpolkit:3565): WARNING **: Unable to register authentication agent:
• 2039[15:34:21] <Haris> don't have nodejs-legacy
• 2040[15:34:31] <SynrG> ah. or that :)
• 2041[15:34:35] <Haris> have nodejs, nodejs-dev and node-* multiple pkgs
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• 2043[15:35:13] <Haris> root@debss:~/node_modules/wscat# whereis nodejs
• 2044[15:35:13] <Haris> nodejs: /usr/bin/nodejs /usr/lib/nodejs /usr/include/nodejs /usr/share/man/man1/nodejs.1.gz
• 2045[15:35:26] <Haris> its already installed
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• 2047[15:35:32] <Haris> what am I missing ?
• 2048[15:35:33] <themill> Haris: do you have nodejs-legacy installed?
• 2049[15:35:37] <Haris> no
• 2050[15:35:42] <SynrG> so install it.
• 2051[15:35:52] <SynrG> also, read the package description and it tells you why you need it
• 2052[15:35:56] <Haris> hmm
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• 2056[15:36:31] <yancho> hi. i am trying to connect freeradius with openldap. freeradius was set up with mysql and worked fine before. now it is firing reject response. This is the radtest: replaced-url
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• 2058[15:36:36] <stardancer> awesome
• 2059[15:36:38] <SynrG> and read the README excerpt i gave above, which also tells you why you need it (though it didn't mention nodejs-legacy .. bleah)
• 2060[15:36:44] <stardancer> lxpolkit will do the trick
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• 2062[15:36:57] <SynrG> stardancer: yay. so this is why it "just works" for me
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• 2064[15:37:03] <stardancer> i guess so
• 2065[15:37:05] <SynrG> since lxpolkit is included in LXDE sessions by default
• 2066[15:37:09] <stardancer> nice to know
• 2067[15:37:33] <stardancer> makes me think it should probably be included with a base installation
• 2068[15:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1651
• 2069[15:38:18] <stardancer> now my sudoers can vagrant up without losing minds
• 2070[15:38:33] <Haris> replaced-url
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• 2072[15:38:49] <Haris> the error actually said, it may be have been caused because of using legacy version. and you want me to install the same version ?
• 2073[15:38:50] <stardancer> thanks, SynrG, *curtsy*
• 2074[15:39:29] <stardancer> lots to learn about window managers and GUIs and X and most of it i find really un-fun
• 2075[15:40:00] <Haris> installed nodejs-legacy. didn't help
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• 2078[15:40:22] <stardancer> reboot!
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• 2080[15:40:38] <stardancer> (or that's what i would do)
• 2081[15:40:46] <SynrG> Haris: caching
• 2082[15:40:59] <SynrG> just logout and login. reboot is too drastic
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• 2088[15:41:24] <SynrG> or tell your shell to forget the cached paths ... i forget the command for this ...
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• 2090[15:41:46] <stardancer> just set the variable to whatever you want
• 2091[15:41:51] <Haris> root@debss:~# rm -rf node_modules/ <---- such as this ?
• 2092[15:42:04] <Haris> hmm
• 2093[15:42:07] <SynrG> hash -r
• 2094[15:42:25] <SynrG> ^^ forget all remembered locations
• 2095[15:42:28] <SynrG> see "help hash"
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• 2097[15:43:15] <Haris> hmm
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• 2099[15:43:37] <SynrG> if that's the problem, that is
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• 2101[15:43:46] <Haris> doesn't help
• 2102[15:43:48] <Haris> rebooting
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• 2105[15:44:17] <Haris> that is .. o_O
• 2106[15:44:21] <stardancer> why do you consider reboot drastic, SynrG? i often think of it as the go-to solution for things like that.
• 2107[15:44:47] <Haris> haven't encountered that many situation where its needed. but when its needed, I know from experience that nothing else helps
• 2108[15:44:53] <stardancer> though im the only human using this computer, so maybe that's why
• 2109[15:44:53] <babilen> stardancer: A reboot is rarely needed and there are typically ways in which you can achieve the desired result more directly
• 2110[15:44:54] <Haris> situation(s)
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• 2112[15:45:08] <stardancer> babilen, are there typically easier or faster ways, though?
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• 2115[15:45:23] <babilen> Sure
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• 2117[15:45:37] <babilen> But that depends entirely on the problem you are trying to solve
• 2118[15:45:43] <Haris> true
• 2119[15:45:48] <stardancer> most commonly, it's not being able to run a program after installing it
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• 2122[15:46:05] <babilen> That rarely happens
• 2123[15:46:14] <stardancer> not here
• 2124[15:46:28] <stardancer> it might be just because the path variable hasnt changed to accomodate it
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• 2126[15:47:06] <stardancer> i also find that Show Applications often decides to ignore newly installed programs until i reboot (logging out doesnt make a difference)
• 2127[15:47:38] <babilen> stardancer: Which program can't be run?
• 2128[15:47:39] <SynrG> stardancer: a reboot does not increase knowledge about the problem. if it fixes things, you're still as ignorant as before. then it gets perpetuated as myth afterwards. plus in a production server environment, reboots are much more drastic in terms of user impact. so it's always my last choice.
• 2129[15:47:57] <babilen> (they might also take ages if you are on bare metal)
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• 2131[15:48:00] <SynrG> stardancer: so it's not about "easier or faster ways"
• 2132[15:48:15] <babilen> Some of our boxes take several minutes to reboot
• 2133[15:48:29] <SynrG> it's about "what's best for the admin" (increase knowledge) and "what's best for the user" (minimize interruption caused by reboots)
• 2134[15:48:31] <stardancer> SynrG, if the 'problem' is actually the program's installer
• 2135[15:48:36] <stardancer> then what am i supposed to do about that?
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• 2137[15:49:12] <SynrG> third-party installer?
• 2138[15:49:20] <stardancer> write my own?!?!
• 2139[15:49:27] <SynrG> no, that was a question
• 2140[15:49:32] <babilen> stardancer: The error is "../node_modules/nan/nan.h:324:47: error: ‘REPLACE_INVALID_UTF8’ is not a member of ‘v8::String’ static const unsigned kReplaceInvalidUtf8 = v8::String::REPLACE_INVALID_UTF8;"
• 2141[15:49:42] <SynrG> are we talking about hypotheticals, or a real problem with someone's third-party installer?
• 2142[15:49:42] <stardancer> using the package manager
• 2143[15:49:44] <Haris> asking in #npm
• 2144[15:49:51] <stardancer> Qbittorrent is one that comes to mind
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• 2146[15:50:34] <SynrG> in an ideal world, the necessary triggers are triggered, and your desktop recognizes the change was made, and it "just works"
• 2147[15:50:38] <SynrG> what desktop are you using?
• 2148[15:50:40] <Haris> asked this in #npm -----> I'm having trouble with npm on debian/jessie. I'm getting errors ----> replaced-url
• 2149[15:50:40] <stardancer> there are others, but it's not fair that i complain, because it could be just as well kali's problem
• 2150[15:50:45] <stardancer> kali 2
• 2151[15:50:51] <SynrG> no logout and in needed, usually
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• 2153[15:51:10] <SynrG> ah. we don't support kali as you're well aware :)
• 2154[15:51:10] <Haris> I logged out and back in. I'v rebooted. didn't help for my problem
• 2155[15:51:24] <stardancer> usually no, true ... but sometimes logging out does nothing, and reboot is the only thing i can think of. i mean, youre not getting any errors when a program is just "not there" in your desktop where you expect it to be.
• 2156[15:51:29] <stardancer> im very aware ;)
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• 2158[15:51:33] <Haris> ran hash -r . that didn't help
• 2159[15:51:55] <SynrG> Haris: we don't know what your problem is. we haven't seen output after you installed nodejs-legacy
• 2160[15:52:00] <Haris> removed node_modules/ . removed .npm/ . nothing helps
• 2161[15:52:01] <SynrG> all you have said is it "didn't help"
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• 2163[15:52:09] <SynrG> that's not useful feedback
• 2164[15:52:16] <SynrG> nor did we ask you to do those last two things
• 2165[15:52:18] <stardancer> tbh, ive never had that same issue with debian 7 or fedora 17
• 2166[15:52:26] <Haris> SynrG: pasted that output in this paste ---> replaced-url
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• 2168[15:52:47] <stardancer> Haris - have you used apt-get clean lately
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• 2170[15:52:53] <Haris> hmm
• 2171[15:52:57] <SynrG> what?
• 2172[15:53:16] <Haris> just ran apt-get clean. no output. shell returned
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• 2174[15:53:38] <Haris> SynrG: pasted output of nodejs-legacy install in that link
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• 2176[15:53:58] <SynrG> apt-get clean is 100% irrelevant
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• 2178[15:54:16] <SynrG> anyway, the latest paste shows an entirely different error ...
• 2179[15:54:21] <SynrG> therefore, we solved the problem.
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• 2181[15:55:20] <SynrG> the *initial* problem, anyway, which was that 'node' was not found
• 2182[15:55:26] <babilen> Haris: Can you run "node --version" ?
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• 2184[15:55:42] <Haris> checking
• 2185[15:55:53] <Haris> root@debss:~# node --version
• 2186[15:55:53] <Haris> v0.10.29
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• 2188[15:56:02] <Haris> #npm guys suggest nodesource
• 2189[15:56:05] <babilen> So, it works
• 2190[15:56:15] <Haris> for jessie
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• 2192[15:56:46] <babilen> And you have to solve the actual error (that I mentioned earlier) on line 45
• 2193[15:56:51] <Haris> hmm
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• 2195[15:57:32] <Haris> apt-cache, aptitude don't know about nodesource
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• 2197[15:58:12] <SynrG> Haris: if you're going to report things you're trying that were suggested in other channels, report them in *those* channels only, not here ...
• 2198[15:58:24] <SynrG> Haris: meanwhile, focus here on things people in *this* channel are asking you
• 2199[15:58:32] <Haris> ok
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• 2202[15:59:27] <SynrG> and i must exit. seems others have your problem in hand (and have deeper knowledge about it than i do). gotta work. later
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• 2212[16:07:40] <Robby> so, we have commandline tools like sipcalc, ipcalc, whatmask, but there seems to be no commandline tool to which you for example can feed it a range like 5.154.170.0 to 5.154.191.255 and it outputs the CIDR blocks to cover the whole range
• 2213[16:07:52] <Robby> in the case of 5.154.170.0 to 5.154.191.255, it takes 3 CIDR blocks to cover the whole range: 5.154.170.0/23 5.154.172.0/22 5.154.176.0/20
• 2214[16:08:27] <Robby> anyone know of such a tool? I have found some websites that do it, but no actual commandline program
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• 2217[16:10:31] <jelly> Robby, you can easily make one with Net::CIDR::Lite perl module I guess
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• 2220[16:11:27] <Robby> well, I was hoping something was already out there and ready to go (that I just wasn't able to find)
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• 2223[16:11:50] <Robby> and not really familiar with perl scripting
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• 2231[16:13:08] <jelly> Robby, install libnet-cidr-lite-perl package
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• 2234[16:13:16] <jelly> Robby, then do eg: range=5.154.170.0-5.154.191.255; perl -MNet::CIDR::Lite -e '$b=Net::CIDR::Lite->new; $b->add_range("'$range'"); print join "\n", $b->list; print "\n"'
• 2235[16:14:08] <Robby> thank you, I will try that
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• 2239[16:14:55] <ThisIsZenified> here comes jelly the Perl expert
• 2240[16:15:13] <jelly> Robby, ipcalc also does it. "ipcalc 5.154.170.0-5.154.191.255"
• 2241[16:15:20] <Robby> it does?
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• 2243[16:15:26] <Robby> I looked at its manpage
• 2244[16:15:40] <Robby> couldn't really tell the functionality was there though
• 2245[16:15:41] <jelly> I didn't look at the man page, jsut tried to run that
• 2246[16:15:47] <Robby> oh, lol
• 2247[16:15:49] <Robby> let me see
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• 2249[16:16:02] <achylles> I have a guest user and 2 other normal users. How can I deny the guest user to access the other 2 normal users folders. All of them have 755 permissions...
• 2250[16:16:34] <Robby> ok this machine must have an older ipcalc, as it doesn't work there
• 2251[16:16:46] <Robby> that command returns: ipcalc: bad IPv4 address: 5.154.170.0-5.154.191.255
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• 2253[16:17:21] <Robby> I'll try it on a Jessie one
• 2254[16:17:36] <jelly> which debian release are you on, Robby?
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• 2256[16:18:02] <jelly> ii ipcalc 0.41-1 parameter calculator for IPv4 addresses
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• 2265[16:20:31] <Olof_szary> Hello. I have corrupted /boot fs I was able to boot & chroot to my main system but I do not know how to fix /boot
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• 2277[16:23:18] <Robby> jelly: actually its a fedora machine and it seems the ipcalc utility there is something redhat specific, no wonder it didn't work as its totally different
• 2278[16:23:52] <Robby> I installed the ipcalc package on the Jessie box and sure enough it works
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• 2282[16:24:25] <Robby> thanks for telling me that, I would have never thought they wouldn't use the same utility
• 2283[16:24:47] <Robby> manpage is (of course) different as well
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• 2285[16:25:03] <Robby> and describes what I was after
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• 2295[16:32:23] <jhasse> Hi! Is it possible that apt upgrade shows me from which source a package will be installed before doing the upgrade?
• 2296[16:32:35] <cyberwolf> it is better to use sudo aptitude or apt-get install?
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• 2298[16:33:03] <SynrG> not better one way or the other. just different
• 2299[16:33:21] <SynrG> also, they are interchangeable in most instances
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• 2302[16:34:34] <TomTomTosch> jhasse: no automatical way that i know of, but apt-cache policy <pkg> will show you the versions listed and where they come from.
• 2303[16:34:39] <SynrG> cyberwolf: for trivial dependency resolution scenarios, both will perform equally well. for more complex dependency resolution, each one takes different approaches. which resolver is used by default is the biggest difference an end-user will notice.
• 2304[16:35:18] <SynrG> also try 'apt install' for a slightly different ui experience
• 2305[16:36:07] <Haris> thank you all. its working
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• 2309[16:36:34] <SynrG> oh well
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• 2311[16:38:12] <jelly> Robby, one of the reasons why we have different support venues for debians and fedoras, eh
• 2312[16:38:31] <cyberwolf> okey, thank
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• 2324[16:43:17] <Robby> yeah, but this was more of general question rather than distribution-specific
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• 2362[16:59:08] <g00se> I have read the Wiki on NetworkManager but nm is clearly getting confused, since after a change of ISP, my client is still not getting connected. There could be some confusion between iface 'ifupdown' (??) and eth0 (the _only_ adapter). managed=true is set. Should i delete /etc/network/interfaces ?
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• 2367[17:01:19] <SynrG> g00se: i can't say if that's what you should do without seeing its contents. normally anything you want managed by NM, you just don't have a stanza for that inteface in /e/n/i
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• 2369[17:01:35] <SynrG> other things in that file are ok to leave in (e.g. loopback)
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• 2371[17:01:54] <SynrG> i'm out for lunch. later
• 2372[17:02:10] <g00se> OK thanks. I can't say either at the mo since i need to look at it
• 2373[17:02:50] <jelly> Robby, you _thought_ it was a general question. Please avoid making that mistake again, first reproduce the issue on an actual Debian, then ask here.
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• 2380[17:05:04] <Robby> lol
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• 2382[17:06:05] <Robby> you are probably serious and actually meant what that you just said, but sheesh :)
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• 2384[17:06:17] <Robby> lighten up
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• 2386[17:07:21] <carandraug> hi. If a package in Debian does not make use of a shared library also packaged in Debian, and instead statically links with its own version, is that a bug in Debian that should be reported?
• 2387[17:07:30] <Robby> if I wouldn't have mentioned Fedora, that reaction would've probably not have come up at all :)
• 2388[17:08:08] <jelly> I just don't like wasting both my and your time (mostly my) when you can solve an issue much faster if you ask in the right place
• 2389[17:08:13] <Robby> so, I still believe this was a general question, you provided the answer, a working one too, and we're both happy
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• 2391[17:08:41] <Robby> I was looking for a tool do what I was after
• 2392[17:08:45] <Robby> to do*
• 2393[17:08:49] <Robby> you told me the tool
• 2394[17:09:01] <Robby> so, this was not a waste of time :)
• 2395[17:09:12] <Robby> and still a general question
• 2396[17:09:33] <jelly> but not a Debian one.
• 2397[17:09:35] <Robby> it all depends how you look at it, I suppose
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• 2399[17:09:44] <Robby> we can have this debate all day and go nowhere :p
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• 2403[17:10:58] <jelly> Robby, it's not really a debate -- this channel caters to debian users, and I'm explaining how to avoid being annoying in the future
• 2404[17:11:14] <Robby> oh so now I'm annoying too
• 2405[17:11:38] <jelly> "I was actually using ipcalc from fedora" is annoying, yes
• 2406[17:11:39] <Robby> I'm a debian user too
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• 2408[17:12:26] <stoned> Good morning
• 2409[17:12:26] <jelly> and I'm a windows user too, but I don't ask how to activate my 2012 server here
• 2410[17:12:47] <stoned> Hey, I'm a psychedelic user but I don't give my lectures here. I give them at univsities.
• 2411[17:12:55] <Robby> :P
• 2412[17:12:58] <stoned> :)
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• 2414[17:13:07] <stoned> er.. universities.
• 2415[17:13:10] <dampie> leave
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• 2417[17:13:28] <dampie> sorry, derped the command
• 2418[17:13:39] <jelly> so pretty fucking please, respect my wish to provide help with debian systems and do try to see if an actual Debian has the issue before asking, next time
• 2419[17:13:52] <Robby> sure :)
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• 2422[17:14:52] <Robby> I usually do, but I figured this tool would be the same across any distribution, as they usually are
• 2423[17:15:09] <Robby> who knew they actually have something custom
• 2424[17:15:14] <Robby> I know now :)
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• 2426[17:15:54] <stoned> I have sampled a lot of things in this world.
• 2427[17:16:09] <stoned> A lot. But I always end up coming back to Netbeans and Debian, for IDE and distro.
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• 2471[17:39:01] <kevr> i'm trying to use the uwsgi service, but it keeps failing- originally, it was actually running the processes while the service was failing on start, but now (i don't know what i did to change this) it doesn't start at all
• 2472[17:39:19] <kevr> how can i get debug logging of the upstart/init service?
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• 2478[17:42:25] <kevr> when i start uwsgi with a plain --ini param, it seems to work fine
• 2479[17:42:35] <Zorkel> Hi and good afternoon I wonder if I can get some insight from you.
• 2480[17:42:37] <Zorkel> I had an extended raid drive in windows two drives attached in one volume and partition format was gpt and filesystem ntfs how can I get debian to understand it's one single volume and mount it?
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• 2483[17:43:27] <ultimaq> whats a good icon set?
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• 2487[17:44:58] <afernandez_> Hello what is a good HD for storage? I need to replace one.....
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• 2490[17:46:02] <Zorkel> depends on your budget I would say
• 2491[17:46:02] <kevr> western digital, seagate
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• 2493[17:46:25] <kevr> in general, if you find a hard drive on amazon with fantastic reviews, it's legit
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• 2496[17:47:18] <afernandez_> budget for 3TB 200 dollars what kind of Western digital/ what color?
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• 2499[17:48:53] <jelly> wd red is ok for 24/7/365
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• 2502[17:50:48] <woshty> How do dos mbrs on 4tb hdds work?
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• 2504[17:51:51] <jelly> dunno. I format my 3TB with LVM over the whole device, or md raid then lvm over the whole device
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• 2508[17:52:20] <jelly> if you need a partition table because it's also going to be a boot device, GPT
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• 2510[17:52:42] <jelly> but afernandez said storage, not booting
• 2511[17:52:51] <kevr> indubitably
• 2512[17:53:29] <kevr> jelly: didnt you hang around the arch linux community for a long time?
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• 2514[17:53:40] <Zorkel> well I would love to retain the info on my current raid drive if possible
• 2515[17:53:40] <jelly> no, that was the other jelly
• 2516[17:53:44] <jelly> he's jelly1 or jelle
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• 2518[17:53:55] <jelly> impostor, if you ask me!
• 2519[17:53:57] <kevr> ah.
• 2520[17:53:59] <kevr> lol
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• 2523[17:56:00] <jelly> Zorkel, I'm not sure any linux free software understands windows extended format
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• 2527[17:56:58] <Zorkel> oh that sucks so hmmm ouch thanks thought
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• 2531[17:57:18] <jelly> Zorkel, try asking in #linux-raid maybe, newer md have some support for fakeraid/windows soft raid
• 2532[17:57:33] <Zorkel> on this network? :)
• 2533[17:57:36] <jelly> yes
• 2534[17:57:45] <Zorkel> thanks jelly much appreciated
• 2535[17:57:50] <jelly> good luck
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• 2537[17:58:13] <Zorkel> thank you if not well I will have to accept the loss
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• 2564[18:13:47] <ultimaq> you know I must admit that I am liking debain (sid) pretty nice and quick
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• 2570[18:16:17] <SynrG> ultimaq: sooner or later, sid will give you "interesting times"
• 2571[18:16:25] <SynrG> !tell ultimaq about sid faq
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• 2574[18:16:56] <SynrG> ultimaq: read that and follow suggestions in it. also, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net where we support running testing/unstable
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• 2577[18:18:44] <ultimaq> lol I realize I'm using a unstable version but I still feel like its a fairly well build distro
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• 2592[18:30:36] <SynrG> ultimaq: it's a false sense of security
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• 2595[18:31:16] <SynrG> the biggest problem is that you have zero days of isolation against undiscovered day-wrecking bugs wrecking your day
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• 2599[18:31:52] <SynrG> at least running testing means you'd have a chance someone else would discover it and file it, preventing migration to testing, before it hits you
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• 2601[18:32:29] <Peetz0r> so, which of the channels is the official one? (freenode and oftc)
• 2602[18:32:36] <SynrG> oftc
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• 2604[18:32:54] <SynrG> !oftc move
• 2605[18:32:54] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
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• 2622[18:39:16] <ewew> Hi. Does anyone know what file is .XIM-unix ?
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• 2637[18:47:01] <kevr> My postgresql was installed side-by-side with another postgresql version, and it chose to use .s.PGSQL.5433 for it's socket name, but the default for everything is .s.PGSQL.5432
• 2638[18:47:08] <kevr> how do i make it revert to using .5432?
• 2639[18:47:18] <kevr> right now i'm just soft linking it over to hack it together
• 2640[18:47:20] <kevr> but its gross
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• 2647[18:51:58] <mernilio> HI all! Where is your off-topic channel?
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• 2649[18:52:33] <mernilio> My great cock want to talk a litte off topic!
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• 2655[18:53:11] <greycat> #debian-offtopic
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• 2657[18:53:29] <dondelelcaro> kevr: PGPORT=5433 psql;
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• 2661[18:54:05] <dondelelcaro> kevr: or edit /etc/postgresql/9.?/main/postgresql.conf for that DB
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• 2667[18:55:21] <kevr> ^ thats prob what i need
• 2668[18:55:23] <kevr> thank you
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• 2677[18:59:03] <kevr> indubitably
• 2678[18:59:04] <kevr> awesome
• 2679[18:59:50] <miskatonic> do not invoke the name of a window manager in vain!
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• 2682[19:00:14] <kevr> but it wasn't in vain
• 2683[19:00:16] <kevr> D:
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• 2707[19:12:36] <Lionyx> I've got to ssh into my home machine, but my work firewall does not allow me. Is there any "HOW"?
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• 2712[19:13:54] <SynrGy> i hear ssh can be tunneled over https
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• 2714[19:14:07] <miskatonic> is any port open? Then you need a proxy
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• 2717[19:14:34] <kevr> you can setup a reverse tunnel
• 2718[19:14:35] <kevr> if you want
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• 2720[19:15:06] <SynrGy> many ways to skin this cat. research and pick one :)
• 2721[19:15:18] <Lionyx> i've tryied a few
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• 2723[19:15:27] <Lionyx> I did the reverse tunnel thing, no deal
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• 2729[19:16:15] <kevr> maybe you did it wrong
• 2730[19:16:16] <Lionyx> "If the firewall allows arbitrary traffic on port 443" <-- how do I check that?
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• 2732[19:16:17] <kevr> or over the wrong port
• 2733[19:16:23] <Lionyx> kevr: maybe
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• 2737[19:17:50] <kevr> Lionyx: if you can go to an https site, then your outgoing 443 is fine
• 2738[19:17:58] <kevr> Lionyx: if you can get to an https site, you can reverse tunnel over 443
• 2739[19:18:00] <kevr> ezpz
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• 2743[19:18:25] <Lionyx> So if i config my home router direct 443 to 22, I might have a chance?
• 2744[19:18:32] <BadCodSmell> Why would debian try to coinstall instead of upgrade when it says its going to upgrade?
• 2745[19:18:32] <Lionyx> to direct*
• 2746[19:18:47] <BadCodSmell> How do I turn on the mode in apt so that it does what it says its going to do?
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• 2748[19:19:02] <`Kevin> Lionyx: are you also sure that your home ISP isnt blocking 22?
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• 2751[19:19:56] <Lionyx> yep `Kevin I'm curently doing this chat by a 3g connection here at work.
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• 2753[19:20:07] <OverCoder> hai
• 2754[19:20:31] <OverCoder> Okay guys um, apt-get -f install doesn't work, what can I do?
• 2755[19:20:43] <OverCoder> replaced-url
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• 2760[19:21:30] <OverCoder> That's apt-get -f install's output replaced-url
• 2761[19:21:31] <miskatonic> would not a cgi on the home machine that executes html form input as shell commmands do the trick?
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• 2763[19:22:42] <BadCodSmell> Is it possible to get apt to actually tell me what it's doing?
• 2764[19:22:55] <OverCoder> BadCodSmell, doesn't it by default?
• 2765[19:23:03] <BadCodSmell> What graph has it traverse to try to decide to install some junk or that it needs two versions or some junk?
• 2766[19:23:09] <BadCodSmell> No it never does it.
• 2767[19:23:16] <OverCoder> idk
• 2768[19:23:19] <Lionyx> possible miskatonic
• 2769[19:23:19] <BadCodSmell> It just does stuff and at the end says nope can't do it
• 2770[19:23:23] <Lionyx> will try some stuff
• 2771[19:23:23] <greycat> Lionyx: start by identifying precisely what you *can* and *can't* do.
• 2772[19:23:26] <Lionyx> tks for the tips guys
• 2773[19:23:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, tell OverCoder about postinstall
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• 2775[19:23:34] <BadCodSmell> No hint as to why
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• 2778[19:23:51] <Lionyx> I'll do it if other stuff i'm trying fails. tks :D
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• 2780[19:24:44] <OverCoder> CutMeOwnThroat, yum, thx
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• 2785[19:25:45] <BadCodSmell> package-a:amd64 10 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with package-a which has multiple installed instances
• 2786[19:25:54] <BadCodSmell> It doesn't have any installed instances.
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• 2788[19:26:00] <BadCodSmell> Where does apt get its notiones from?
• 2789[19:26:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> OverCoder, try to fix whatever mistake is there... it's often trivial (like it wants to stop a server but the server is already stopped)
• 2790[19:26:25] <Fr_Dae> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 BadCodSmell
• 2791[19:26:31] <Fr_Dae> and it's juste apt
• 2792[19:26:45] <Fr_Dae> apt-get aren't nessessary anumore
• 2793[19:26:52] <BadCodSmell> wheezy
• 2794[19:27:03] <BadCodSmell> And after that I'm not using debian
• 2795[19:27:20] <BadCodSmell> It already has that arch
• 2796[19:27:23] <BadCodSmell> and it shouldn't need it
• 2797[19:27:39] <BadCodSmell> so I assume maybe something i386 is accidentally lingering
• 2798[19:27:45] <BadCodSmell> But apt wont say
• 2799[19:27:52] <BadCodSmell> just likes to say no
• 2800[19:28:09] <greycat> Fr_Dae: apt and apt-get are not exactly the same
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• 2802[19:28:33] <Fr_Dae> yep, apt are better, you have color and progress bar
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• 2804[19:28:47] <Fr_Dae> and is ok for 90% of use
• 2805[19:28:52] <Fr_Dae> =)
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• 2812[19:29:43] <BadCodSmell> apt is written by hobbyists with no quality control, spew everywhere, loads of overlapping systems, massive bloat and they let anything into the repo, build packages and will pull and pull request or patch from github, etc
• 2813[19:29:57] <BadCodSmell> it's worse than enterprise
• 2814[19:29:58] <greycat> err, what.
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• 2819[19:30:06] <BadCodSmell> I'm just stuck with it for now.
• 2820[19:30:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah... horrible. nearly as bad as yum or zypper
• 2821[19:30:54] <BadCodSmell> never had a problem with yum though.
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• 2825[19:31:06] <BadCodSmell> rhel does quality control
• 2826[19:31:30] <BadCodSmell> debian is good for a testbed, getting stuff out there, etc but it actually suffers from too much popularity, lack of regulation, too much contribution
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• 2828[19:31:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> then buy it
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• 2830[19:31:35] <greycat> Debian also does quality control. We call it "testing".
• 2831[19:32:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't see a point in discussing the comparative merits of rhel here
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• 2833[19:32:12] <greycat> Bugs still slip through, of course. In both operating systems. In all operating systems. Operating systems are incredibly complicated.
• 2834[19:32:15] <BadCodSmell> you touch a little system in there someone has overcontributed to and instead of what should be a few lines because normally people do the bare essencials deb build directory will be bigger than the source your building itself
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• 2836[19:33:02] <BadCodSmell> In this case it's yet another apt verbosity issue. The thing never wants to show its working.
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• 2839[19:33:25] <greycat> I don't know which specific issue you are talking about here.
• 2840[19:33:30] <BadCodSmell> And I don't get it because several dozen such mirror machines have taken the upgrade fine
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• 2842[19:33:40] <BadCodSmell> package-a:amd64 10 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with package-a which has multiple installed instances
• 2843[19:33:52] <SynrG> is the topic here that the "preview" multiarch in wheezy makes apt have kittens?
• 2844[19:33:55] <greycat> Oh, your obfuscated bullshit example question that nobody can possibly answer.
• 2845[19:34:01] <SynrG> so, duh. it was never rolled out as ready to go
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• 2847[19:34:31] <greycat> "guys I can't install package-a what's wrong"
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• 2849[19:34:47] <SynrG> and guess what, graphing problems can be very very mathematically difficult
• 2850[19:34:49] <BadCodSmell> I gave you the output from apt.
• 2851[19:34:53] <BadCodSmell> If it's obscure, blame apt.
• 2852[19:35:04] <greycat> ,v package-a
• 2853[19:35:05] <judd> No package named 'package-a' was found in amd64.
• 2854[19:35:10] <greycat> Nope. Pretty sure it's you.
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• 2856[19:35:24] <BadCodSmell> The package should be irrelevant.
• 2857[19:35:39] <miskatonic> apt is always obscure, especially with sets of DVDs
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• 2859[19:36:08] <SynrG> BadCodSmell: your level of hostility towards Debian is quite high. if you came here looking for help, try a different approach. if you came here looking for arguments, try /dev/null
• 2860[19:36:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, with an irrelevant package we have an irrelevant discussion and you get an irrelevant solution
• 2861[19:36:15] <BadCodSmell> This error message must mean something
• 2862[19:36:17] <ultimaq> does anyone know why i would get a segfault when trying to open up epiphany when I reboot?
• 2863[19:36:20] <BadCodSmell> It's nothing to do with the package
• 2864[19:36:24] <BadCodSmell> apt is doing the work.
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• 2866[19:36:52] <BadCodSmell> So why does it want to coinstall instead of upgrade? Why does it think the previous version is installed even after I have manually removed it?
• 2867[19:36:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> it has usually everything to do with the package
• 2868[19:37:10] <BadCodSmell> No, you just want to fix it yourself instead of telling me what apt does.
• 2869[19:37:12] <SynrG> ultimaq: that's pretty vague.
• 2870[19:37:17] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2871[19:37:40] <SynrG> ultimaq: also, as i said before, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for help with unstable
• 2872[19:37:49] <ultimaq> yea when I ran it through valgrind it came back with an error with tt
• 2873[19:37:50] <BadCodSmell> maybe if I just force install it from the cache
• 2874[19:38:04] <SynrG> ultimaq: but they'll need more info than that (i.e. specific output) for your question to be actionable
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• 2876[19:38:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> *shrug* you figure it out, then. apt looks what' in the package controls and so would we
• 2877[19:38:17] <ultimaq> im thinking it was something to do with the vid drivers, I got it back up by installing a new set of nvdia based libgls
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• 2880[19:39:52] <SynrG> BadCodSmell: co-installability is a feature of multiarch. it's normally a desirable thing. but if a package isn't specifically reworked to allow it, apt can't do it.
• 2881[19:39:56] <SynrG> !multiarch
• 2882[19:39:56] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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• 2886[19:40:43] <SynrG> BadCodSmell: as of wheezy, only a small subset of packages were ready yet. with jessie, some more are. however, it's a lot of work, and still not finished yet.
• 2887[19:41:08] <ultimaq> 3/
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• 2890[19:42:22] <miskatonic> and stretch will be more complicated, it seems
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• 2894[19:43:39] <SynrG> BadCodSmell: my guess is, you only *think* you fully removed it
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• 2900[19:48:26] <BadCodSmell> I've considered that
• 2901[19:48:30] <BadCodSmell> it might have left a lingering file
• 2902[19:48:51] <BadCodSmell> which means digging around but i need to pee first
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• 2904[19:49:39] <radonx> finaly it works, the problem of my disk with Debian moved to another pc where it gives error, solution: startx
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• 2907[19:51:00] <SynrG> BadCodSmell: no, i mean double-check the status of the package
• 2908[19:51:12] <SynrG> was it purged?
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• 2911[19:51:25] <SynrG> removed is not purged
• 2912[19:52:02] <SynrG> apt would have no reason to think it's still installed if it were only files left behind (as in, data files not provided by the package itself, but script-generated or so)
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• 2915[19:52:34] <miskatonic> can aptitude be configured to purge by default is remove is requested?
• 2916[19:52:43] <SynrG> you can say --purge
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• 2918[19:52:55] <SynrG> it's probably not a good idea to do that generally.
• 2919[19:53:03] <greycat> I agree with SynrG
• 2920[19:53:11] <Fr_Dae> sudo apt purge x && sudo apt autoclean ?
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• 2948[20:14:03] <vook> Anyone know the username/password for debian live 8.5 standard? It's just booting to "debian login: "
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• 2950[20:14:37] <greycat> !live password
• 2951[20:14:37] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
• 2952[20:14:52] <greycat> Took 4 tries.
• 2953[20:14:52] <vook> thank you
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• 2956[20:15:08] <greycat> Er, 5 tries.
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• 2973[20:23:28] <noze> i'm looking for a file-content indexer / search engine (w/ GUI) for my desktop
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• 2976[20:24:05] <noze> i've seen the names nepumuk and zeitgeist thrown around, but a lot of the information i find is quite old
• 2977[20:24:46] <noze> i'm not using a particular desktop environment, btw
• 2978[20:25:01] <babilen> tracker comes to mind also
• 2979[20:25:15] <noze> recoll too
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• 2987[20:27:04] <babilen> beagle
• 2988[20:27:19] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 2997[20:32:19] <jhutchins> noze: They can be horrible resource hogs. It's one of the things that nearly killed off kde4.
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• 3000[20:32:55] <`Kevin> x2 ^
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• 3003[20:33:19] <noze> hm
• 3004[20:33:32] <noze> i'd imagine it be less of a problem on an ssd
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• 3007[20:33:57] <`Kevin> directory stucture + grep as needed (if feasible)
• 3008[20:34:21] <babilen> ag
• 3009[20:34:30] <noze> `Kevin: grep does not work very well on pdfs
• 3010[20:34:37] <babilen> (but that doesn't index/search binary data)
• 3011[20:34:44] <`Kevin> keyword feasible :)
• 3012[20:35:09] <babilen> I used tracker many years ago and haven't really missed it .. quite costly to run
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• 3014[20:36:07] <stardancer> is there a way to find out of my disk support write cache disabling?
• 3015[20:36:11] <stardancer> of/if
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• 3020[20:37:39] <noze> every now and then I feel like I should use some of those fancy features that desktop environments come with, this is an instance thereof ;)
• 3021[20:38:14] <stardancer> pray tell, you must be psychich to know which im using
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• 3027[20:42:22] <`Kevin> stardancer: write cache is typically kernel, otherwise it is controller specific such as a raid card
• 3028[20:42:25] <teraflops> noze: I cannot think of any of those fancy features I cannot setup in a WM
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• 3030[20:42:46] <noze> teraflops: indeed, but the question is which ones do I want to bother setting up?
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• 3038[20:43:49] <teraflops> stardancer: hdparm
• 3039[20:43:54] <`Kevin> stardancer: so you either have a disk where you have the kernel performing write caching or you have a raid card that is doing the write caching
• 3040[20:44:11] <`Kevin> disks themselves are not supporting it
• 3041[20:45:08] <stardancer> Kevin, im reading something about the effectiveness of overwriting partitions with guttmann patterns and the article says the drive must support write barrier, write cache flush, or write cache disabling.
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• 3043[20:45:25] <teraflops> noze: I only bothered setting up a notification daemon :P
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• 3049[20:47:49] <`Kevin> right so if you do not have a raid controller then use hdparm as per teraflops ^
• 3050[20:48:00] <`Kevin> stardancer: ^
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• 3052[20:48:29] <stardancer> Kevin, let me try that
• 3053[20:48:48] <stardancer> on /dev/blahblah
• 3054[20:49:33] <jhutchins> `Kevin: Actually, there are disks that have a local RAM cache.
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• 3056[20:50:19] <jhutchins> `Kevin: Which, yeah, as teraflops said would be controlled by hdparm if controllable.
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• 3058[20:51:04] <stardancer> says bitch in question is enabled, so this something to address in BIOS now?
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• 3065[20:53:05] <stardancer> is it possible to disable write cache for one partition but not another
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• 3067[20:54:28] <teraflops> stardancer: mind sharing your issue? perhaps you already did but I cannot find it
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• 3069[20:55:04] <`Kevin> teraflops: good point :)
• 3070[20:55:21] <`Kevin> er jhutchins
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• 3072[20:55:22] <teraflops> because it looks like an xy
• 3073[20:55:27] <`Kevin> but yea
• 3074[20:56:15] <stardancer> overwriting my swap
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• 3084[20:58:48] <stardancer> hdparm --drq-hsm-error
• 3085[20:58:48] <stardancer> VERY DANGEROUS, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT USING IT.
• 3086[20:58:56] <stardancer> :D
• 3087[20:59:26] <teraflops> swapoff is not an option there?
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• 3089[21:00:03] <stardancer> iono, is it?
• 3090[21:00:09] <stardancer> this man page is a novel
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• 3092[21:00:36] <stardancer> --make-bad-sector lol: EXCEPTIONALLY DANGEROUS. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION!!
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• 3096[21:00:59] <teraflops> swapoff. delete. create new one. swapon?
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• 3099[21:01:53] <teraflops> also why. the nsa is going to read your swap file?
• 3100[21:02:01] <`Kevin> ^
• 3101[21:02:03] <stardancer> there's a way to flush the buffer, but i want to prevent it from getting there in the first place
• 3102[21:02:10] <stardancer> yeah, just like theyre reading yours, smartass
• 3103[21:02:43] <stardancer> Alice's security goals are not really any of Bob's business
• 3104[21:03:01] <teraflops> stardancer: I was trying to helping you. not anymore smartass
• 3105[21:03:54] <stardancer> cause i said my business aint yours?
• 3106[21:04:03] <stardancer> as if you needing telling
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• 3109[21:06:28] <teraflops> stardancer: stay focused you have a swap to overwrite...
• 3110[21:07:21] <stardancer> eat me :)
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• 3117[21:10:02] <stardancer> im going to re-write hdparm.conf and that's that
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• 3141[21:24:56] <skin111> hi there! Got an issue, i cant see the network manager icon on my notification area. Anyone already have seen this?
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• 3144[21:26:10] <mtn> skin111: you probably removed it. add it back in to the systray
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• 3160[21:32:18] <skin111> Ok mtn! I fixed it! Thankssss :)
• 3161[21:32:26] <mtn> skin111: welcome
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• 3221[22:06:01] <zumba_addict> i'm compiling stegui on a debian system and I'm getting this error when running make all - replaced-url
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• 3257[22:25:41] <sslb> I'm running debian 8 and trying to send email using the "mail" command. (I come from a centOS background but it really shouldn't matter much). I'm not receiving the email to my inbox. Any ideas?
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• 3260[22:26:16] <petemc> sslb: did you configure mta?
• 3261[22:26:32] <sslb> petemc: no
• 3262[22:26:40] <greycat> sslb: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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• 3264[22:26:54] <greycat> sslb: and look for logs (/var/log/mail* and /var/log/exim* for starters)
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• 3275[22:32:15] <digdilem> specifically, /var/log/exim/mainlog
• 3276[22:32:25] <sslb> greycat: thanks, looks like it is working now.
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• 3309[22:50:09] <cenysor_> How do I install numix on debian with gnome?
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• 3312[22:51:27] <jim> ,v numix
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• 3314[22:51:28] <judd> No package named 'numix' was found in amd64.
• 3315[22:51:44] <jim> maybe it's a different name?
• 3316[22:52:07] <greycat> Or perhaps it's not packaged at all, and you would install it the same way as any other unpackaged third-party application.
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• 3321[22:52:52] <cenysor_> where can I find the zip?
• 3322[22:53:11] <greycat> There's a #numix channel with 5 people and no topic.
• 3323[22:53:32] <greycat> Google gives some results that seem to indicate it has something to do with GNOME. Which means it's probably beyond my understanding.
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• 3329[22:54:53] <greycat> The most informative link I found from google seems to be replaced-url
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• 3339[22:55:53] <cenysor_> ah, I guess I have to compile it from source :(
• 3340[22:56:09] <jhutchins> Compile a theme?
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• 3344[22:56:40] <cenysor_> thats whats the instruction says :)
• 3345[22:56:45] <greycat> jhutchins: As I guessed, it's beyond my understanding. That github page talks about ruby and gem and XML and some command called "grrr" (I am not making this up).
• 3346[22:56:53] <zumba_addict> high folks, which terminal should I install that has support for true transparency?
• 3347[22:57:21] <tripkin> Has anyone here successfully installed Simon?
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• 3349[22:57:38] <cenysor_> its strange that it has packages for ubuntu, fedora and opensuse but not for debian
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• 3351[22:57:57] <greycat> "because only people dumb enough to run ubuntu would want this"
• 3352[22:58:28] <greycat> Maybe dumb isn't the best word. "Easily distracted by pretty colors"?
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• 3354[22:59:02] <jhutchins> greycat: I think I've actually heard of grrr.
• 3355[22:59:29] <jhutchins> greycat: So this is one of those "themes" that does stuff, doesn't just set the look.
• 3356[22:59:55] <greycat> jhutchins: you have already demonstrated more understanding of this stuff than I have
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• 3362[23:05:19] <zumba_addict> terminator is just working fine now with transparenc
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• 3442[23:35:08] <littlebit> hi people, I have installed debian freshly, and yet I get locale errors. So I tried to generate the locale by entering "locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 && dpkg-reconfigure locales", yet I get error messages that it failed to set the locale. can someone help?
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• 3446[23:38:02] <sypher> littlebit: That's now how you use the locale-gen command. The manpage is very clear on how that command functions.
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• 3456[23:42:27] <jhutchins> !locale
• 3457[23:42:28] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
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• 3462[23:44:14] <littlebit> sypher: that can't be misinterpreted. yet the file /etc/locale.gen has the correct line uncommented.
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• 3472[23:48:17] <jhutchins> Why would you have to generate en_US.UTF-8? Isn't that the default?
• 3473[23:48:26] <zumba_addict> any ideas folks? I'm playing a video using vlc and once it ends, I play it again but it will crash. It says Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvideo.so, cannot open shared object file: No such file
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• 3475[23:49:02] <zumba_addict> then last line, xcb_xv vout display error: no available Xvideo adaptor
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• 3477[23:50:44] <Lionyx> zumba_addict: about the terminal. I guess xfce4-terminal is one way.
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• 3479[23:50:56] <zumba_addict> i got the terminal working
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