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12 [00:06:02] <somiaj> duelle: I think you need to edit the unit
file, systemctl -e mariadb, and increase the limit there (not the
global limit in limits.conf)
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18 [00:08:03] <somiaj> duelle: I have LimitNOFILE=100000 in my
[service] of the unit file for a service I had to increase the
number of open files with.
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36 [00:20:09] <mutante> mongodb has been dropped in buster. i
wonder what could be used to replace it while still using only
distro packages
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38 [00:21:18] <nkuttler> mutante: it's a document db, no?
postgres with json fields, elastic, couchdb..
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41 [00:22:32] <somiaj> sqllite? There are various database
programs, though unsre which ones are compadable with mongodb out of
the box.
42 [00:22:50] <somiaj>
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43 [00:22:53] <judd> Bug
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46 [00:24:47] <somiaj> seems mongodb even makes a debian 10
package, though they require user info to download, so I didn't
download it
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51 [00:26:43] <mutante> nkuttler somiaj: thanks. local install
is not an option. we will have to forward-port it from stretch to
buster i think
52 [00:27:00] <mutante> those were good hints though about that
package they offer
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81 [00:42:19] <duelle> somiaj: Currently, I have a config file
in
"/etc/systemd/system/mariadb.service.d/limitnofile.conf"
Where i set the "LimitNOFILE" to 100k in the [Service]
section. Am I missing anything else?
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95 [00:45:57] <somiaj> duelle: that sounds reasonable, my
example was a thrid party service so I didn't split it up like
that.
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97 [00:47:11] <somiaj> !wdytio
98 [00:47:11] <dpkg> Why don't you try it out?
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114 [00:54:35] <duelle> somiaj: In the service file the value is
set to 16k by default already.
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118 [00:55:25] <somiaj> duelle: stuff in /etc/systemd will
override system stuff in /lib/systemd
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120 [00:55:52] <somiaj> and my understanding (haven't
actually done this) is you can put just snippiets like you did in
/etc/systemd to override specific settings, without overriding the
whole unit file.
121 [00:56:19] <somiaj> this way you still get updates to the
unit file from the package.
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128 [01:00:04] <duelle> somiaj: I followed the MariaDB docs and
created a file
"/etc/systemd/system/mariadb.service.d/limitnofile.conf"
where I set the limit to 102400 in the "[Service]" block.
But unfortunately, there seems to be another limit of 4096 at some
point which I couldn't find yet. According to the systemctl
status, the file is also used.
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130 [01:02:33] <somiaj> that 4096 sounds like a system limit in
limits.conf, but the unit limit should override that.
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133 [01:03:39] <somiaj> Instead of creating the file that is
said, what happens if you remove that mariadb.service.d directory
(maybe backup what you have) and instead just run 'systemctl -e
mariadb.service', this should edit the service file. Add the
LimitNOFILE=100000 to that file, then save it and see what it
created in /etc/systemd/system/
134 [01:04:41] <bluejaypop> I ppl, i installed a different
package than original openssl because someone from the team
installed a php7.2 package from 3rd party repository. I removed it
and wanted to reinstall the official package from debian, but when I
install it it has one weird OPENSSLDIR and ENGINESDIR, how can I
remove completely the config from previous package ?
135 [01:04:55] <bluejaypop> I tried purge --autoremove and remove
--autoremove
136 [01:05:25] <somiaj> duelle: on stretch, I see
LimitNOFILE=16364 -- maybe just go down and edit that line
137 [01:06:09] <somiaj> bluejaypop: did you purge the old
package, as in if you do dpkg -l | grep ^rc -- you see the package
is still there, this means it is removed but the config files are
still around?
138 [01:06:31] <duelle> somiaj: The "-e" option
doesn't seem to work with systemctl. It reports it as invalid
option.
139 [01:06:33] <somiaj> bluejaypop: if the package has been
completely purged, maybe some manual settings were done by the
admin, check /etc/profile, and $HOME/.profile or .bashrc for this.
140 [01:06:40] <sponix> somiaj: he is lucky his OS is working at
all. I did similar one time and it blew everything up :P
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142 [01:07:26] <somiaj> duelle: it is just systemctl edit, but I
guess it just gives you a blank file and then does what you did.
143 [01:07:33] <bluejaypop> somiaj, I removed the old package and
I see this >> rc openssl 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1
144 [01:07:35] <somiaj> duelle: I'm not sure why your
override isn't working.
145 [01:07:41] <bluejaypop> I'm checking variables
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148 [01:08:00] <somiaj> bluejaypop: dpkg --purge openssl (purge
the package, it has config files still around)
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150 [01:08:54] <somiaj> duelle: after you made the change, did
you run systemctl reload mariadb (you hvae to do this to reload any
changes)
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152 [01:09:58] <bluejaypop> somiaj, i just did the dpkg --purge
openssl and installed again by apt install openssl but when I check
i see the weird variables for OPENSSLDIR, please see the following
link if possible
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153 [01:10:12] <somiaj> duelle: so put your limitnofile.conf back
has you had it, then run 'systemctl reload mariadb', then
run 'systemctl restart mariadb', then run 'systemctl
show mariadb' and scroll down to see what the LimitNOFILE is
set as.
154 [01:11:33] <somiaj> bluejaypop: check your enviroment,
'run env', then check various files like /etc/profile,
/etc/profile.d, /etc/bash.bashrc, and $HOME/.profile and
$HOME/.bashrc and see if these enviorment variables are set
anywhere.
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158 [01:11:56] <duelle> somiaj: the reload seems not to be
supported by that unit. But the limits are reported correctly as
102400 (as I set it in the config file)
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161 [01:12:58] <somiaj> duelle: well seems like that limit is now
set, unsure why reload isn't working (I recall one time I was
banging my head against my desk trying to figure out why changes to
my unit file didn't work, it was because they require a reload)
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163 [01:13:03] <somiaj> duelle: but it could be that overrides
don't.
164 [01:13:41] <sponix> somiaj: what limit are we attempting to
override ?
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166 [01:14:41] <somiaj> sponix: LimitNOFILE for the users mariadb
service, but seems like we got that to work.
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168 [01:15:07] <duelle> somiaj: The warning in the systemctl
service says "[Warning] Could not increase number of
max_open_files to more than 4096 (request: 4186)". According to
docs, I then set "LimitNOFILE=102400". But the warning
persists.
169 [01:15:08] <bluejaypop> somiaj, weird part is that i
don't see for anypart those variables.
170 [01:15:12] <somiaj> they added a small
[service]\nLimitNOFILE=102400 to
/etc/systemd/system/mariadb.service.d/limitnofile.conf and it seems
to show up.
171 [01:15:17] <sponix> there is a max open files, and open
processes of 1024 by default in Debian (and Ubuntu/Mint/etc) -- that
any app can bump into... I had to put it higher for my rtorrent
because I seed 2K+ torrents :)
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173 [01:16:03] <duelle> sponix: The open files limit, but setting
LimitNOFILE seems not to change anything..
174 [01:16:04] <sponix> I have it in my sysctl.conf pretty sure..
want me to dig it out ?
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176 [01:16:31] <duelle> sponix: Would be great if you could find
it ;)
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178 [01:16:41] <sponix> fs.file-max=500000
179 [01:16:54] <sponix> in sysctl.conf
180 [01:17:06] <sponix> Given, I went a bit excessive -- but
whatever :)
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183 [01:17:10] <somiaj> sponix: I think with systemd, you want to
do this per service via LimitNOFILE=, and not in
/etc/security/limits.conf
184 [01:17:24] <sponix> There is another spot in /etc/ that is a
per user limit also that I had to override
185 [01:17:50] <sponix> somiaj: well, I'll check around, not
sure what way I did it -- just know its working :)
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187 [01:18:45] <sponix> sponix hard nofile 50000 and sponix soft
nofile 40000 are in my /etc/security/limits.conf -- so I did do my
user limit mods there
188 [01:19:02] <sponix> can't say it is proper, but it is
functional *Grin*
189 [01:19:17] <somiaj> sponix: yea, on my system, I tried to use
/etc/security/limits.conf and it didn't work, because systemd
sets its limits for its services slightly differently.
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191 [01:19:28] <somiaj> so on my system I have set it using the
systemd unit file and it works, didn't need to set it anywhere
else
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193 [01:20:29] <somiaj> but I don't know the details well
enough, I just know duelle is in a similar situation I was in, in
which the unit file did the trick.
194 [01:20:33] <sponix> somiaj: well as off now, on this OS
install, I have not gotten around to launching rtorrent through init
at all.. I just run it in terminal for my user attached to a screen
session :)
195 [01:20:40] <somiaj> (but it doesn't appear to be working
for duelle)
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197 [01:20:57] <sponix> somiaj: maybe he should try both ? lol
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199 [01:20:59] <somiaj> duelle: I'm unsure where you are
hitting this hard limit.
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202 [01:21:08] <somiaj> sponix: could be, maybe there is a hard
limit that systemd can't increase beyond
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204 [01:21:24] <somiaj> but the mariadb docs they read seems to
agree with me, so unsure what else it could be
205 [01:21:31] <duelle> sponix: According to 'sysctl
-a' that value is already set to 595726
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209 [01:22:06] <somiaj> duelle: you might want to ask in
#systemd, maybe someone there actually knows what they are doing and
why the LimitNOFILE you have set isn't being honored.
210 [01:22:27] <sponix> duelle: lies !
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215 [01:25:08] <duelle> somiaj: sponix: Apart from the warning in
the MariaDB setting I cannot find any settings that are limited to
something close to 4096..
216 [01:25:23] <duelle> No idea where MariaDB sees that limit..
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218 [01:25:36] <duelle> limits.conf doesn't have any limits
defined apparently
219 [01:27:00] <sponix> duelle: yes, limits.conf is blank by
default. I added those 2 lines into mine for my user
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221 [01:27:23] <sponix> duelle: I honestly think it couldn't
hurt to try it yourself and see if it helps
222 [01:27:43] <sponix> I did find my solution on the Interwebs
-- so it has to be TRUE !
223 [01:28:04] <sponix> The only thing that would make it more
definite is if it was posted on Facebook lol
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227 [01:29:33] <duelle> sponix: do you have the exact line to put
there? Is it max-files there?
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230 [01:30:10] <sponix> sponix hard nofile 50000
231 [01:30:11] <sponix> sponix soft nofile 40000
232 [01:30:36] <sponix> duelle: those are the 2 exact lines I
added to limits.conf
233 [01:31:07] <duelle> Do I have to reboot for the settings to
take effect?
234 [01:31:12] <sponix> duelle: and this is the exact line I
added at the top of my sysctl.conf
235 [01:31:15] <sponix> fs.file-max=500000
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237 [01:31:34] <sponix> duelle: I know you for sure have to log
out and back in, but not sure if a restart is required
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240 [01:32:22] <sponix> duelle: given, these high limits would
leave you open to a fork bomb. But unless you are hosting other
users on the same rig, and they are turds -- you shouldn't have
to worry about that
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243 [01:32:55] <fred``> what happend to the former
'ftp-ssl'-package in buster ?
244 [01:33:19] <fred``> is there any replacement ?
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246 [01:33:42] <duelle> sponix: Still the same warning... even
though I put the settings you provided (/etc/security/limits.conf,
/etc/sysctl.conf).
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249 [01:33:51] <duelle> I even rebooted
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251 [01:34:03] <duelle> Limit is still 4096
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259 [01:35:19] <fred``> i'm talking about
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261 [01:35:35] <sponix> duelle: has to be the database itself
then.. Its config, its access table, or something
262 [01:35:41] <sponix> duelle: what db was this again ?
263 [01:35:47] <duelle> sponix: MariaDB
264 [01:35:55] <sponix> wait one
265 [01:36:02] * sponix breaks out Google-Fu
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268 [01:37:18] <duelle> sponix: Googling for that issue brought
me to the drop-in file for the systemd service.
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272 [01:39:18] <sponix>
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274 [01:39:40] <sponix> there is a access table var or whatever
defining this stuff also lol
275 [01:40:08] <sponix> and also a max connection in my.conf that
can be defined -- but that is connections itself, not files from
what I see ;)
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277 [01:40:51] <duelle> sponix: But according to that link, that
variable is directly influenced by the 'LimitNOFILE'
property, or am I getting it wrong?
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281 [01:43:58] <duelle> That guy seems to do it similar to what I
did - just with mysql instead of mariadb. I also just tried to
creating a folder mysql.service.d with that override config file.
But didn't help either
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283 [01:44:23] <sponix> duelle: check and see if you have that
var in that table thing
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286 [01:44:41] <duelle> sponix: I do. It gives 4096
287 [01:44:47] <sponix> duelle: presto
288 [01:44:58] <sponix> duelle: set that to 65535 and you should
be golden :)
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290 [01:46:18] <duelle> sponix: > SET open_files_limit =
102400;
291 [01:46:18] <duelle> ERROR 1238 (HY000): Variable
'open_files_limit' is a read only variable
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293 [01:47:04] <sponix> duelle: hmm, maybe you need to be in as
the *cough* root user, or another higher priv one to change that ?
294 [01:47:18] <sponix> otherwise, what is the good of having a
var, if it can't be changed ?
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296 [01:48:28] <duelle> sponix: I am root.. As shown in the link
you posted previously, this seems to be directly related to a system
variable...
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301 [01:49:40] <sponix> duelle: hmm cat /etc/my.conf |grep 4096
or where ever it is.. see what you have for 4096's in there :)
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305 [01:50:02] <sponix> duelle: this goes on much longer, I might
have to break down and spin up a VM to tinker with :P
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313 [01:52:17] <duelle> sponix: The only place related to mysql
that mentions 4096 is /etc/init.d/mysql line 72 with "> SET
open_files_limit = 102400;
314 [01:52:20] <duelle> ERROR 1238 (HY000): Variable
'open_files_limit' is a read only variable
315 [01:52:35] <duelle> Sorry, wrong paste..
316 [01:53:08] <duelle> sponix: The only place related to mysql
that mentions '4096' is /etc/init.d/mysql line 72 with:
"if LC_ALL=C BLOCKSIZE= df --portability $datadir/. | tail -n 1
| awk '{ exit ($4>4096) }'; then"
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318 [01:53:55] <duelle> Was a grep inside /etc
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320 [01:54:25] <sponix> duelle: well surely they aren't dumb
enough to hard code that lol
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322 [01:55:12] <duelle> sponix: Also no sysctl settings that seem
to be related and set to that value.
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326 [01:57:35] <sponix>
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329 [01:58:06] <sponix> Command-Line Format --open-files-limit=#
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331 [01:58:44] <sponix> might just need to edit the mariadb start
line inside the systemd service -- because it says when this
isn't specified it defaults to 5000
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333 [02:00:10] <sponix> given, that was back on version 8 .. .not
sure it is still active
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336 [02:01:25] <duelle> sponix: Tried to do that, and it seems to
really pass on that parameter, but still the warning is there..
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340 [02:02:24] <sponix> duelle: And did you put the noFILELimit
thing in here ->
/etc/systemd/system/mysql.service.d/override.conf
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342 [02:02:49] <sponix> duelle: know it sounds dumb, but put it
in there (also) ... Because MariaDB is and forever will be known to
the system as "mysql" lol
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344 [02:04:52] <duelle> sponix: After you sent me the link I
tried that. Also with that additional parameter set the warning is
still there :/
345 [02:05:14] <sponix> duelle: Have to take the family out to
eat... But in an hour or two I will return -- I am spinning up a
Debian 10 Virtual Machine right now so I can drop this DB in there
and see about overcoming this
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350 [02:07:40] <duelle> sponix: I also have to go soon as it is
very late (ehh.. early) here. That's very nice of you to look
into that issue. Though I cannot be here in 1 or 2 hours. Will you
be around tomorrow maybe?
351 [02:08:52] <sponix> duelle: yes.. will likely be around
tomorrow. If I find a solutions for you I will post it here:
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352 [02:09:11] <sponix> in video, text, image -- or whatever
format makes sense :)
353 [02:09:18] <duelle> Okay, thanks a whole lot for your help!
354 [02:09:31] <duelle> Thanks to you also somiaj !
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356 [02:10:48] <duelle> sponix: Thanks and bye. I'll report
on the result then ;)
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561 [04:13:27] <sponix> somiaj: So.. I got to thinking.... I bet
that mysqld is run by like a "mysql" user lol ... Might
have to place a limits.conf line in there for that user it is run
under
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564 [04:14:11] <whislock> sponix: It is.
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591 [04:34:59] <sponix> whislock: so this user kept hitting a
4096 limit with mariadb... The systemd service has the file limit
var at 16K something.. So I'm betting it is a soft/hard limit
on the "mysql" user per /etc/security/limits.conf that
needs to be defined _maybe_
592 [04:35:31] <sponix> but crap, now I gotta pull up a guide on
how to get this db to let me in and so forth
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667 [05:39:01] <martigan> is there a way to start gnome-logs as
from a user account? sudo gnome-logs gives an error. I found some
documentation saying I can add the user to the admin group. Is that
the recommended way?
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671 [05:45:54] <sponix> somiaj: I found his fix and have it
documented -->
replaced-url
672 [05:46:09] <sponix> It of course was in the documentation
that I had already pointed out lol
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708 [06:15:05] <sponix> karlpinc: the "default" is
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721 [06:25:45] <karlpinc> sponix: Databases should be configured
to support a reasonable amount of normal usage in a
"typical" production setting. I don't think
"home usage" is enough for this kind of program. 4K of
what open at once?
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724 [06:26:55] <karlpinc> 4K tables queried at once or 4K of
internal mariadb voodoo files? I'd expect a db to be able to
access anyway a million rows without too much fuss.
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1046 [09:19:38] <strongestAvenger> hi all! Can any1 tell me how to
install widevine on chromium (v78)
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1112 [10:14:36] <hanseat> hi
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1127 [10:21:15] <ratrace> wth... which memtest86 do I need? I
wanna test RAM chips on boot... memtest86 or memtest86+ ? I'm
reading about difference, but I don't get it...
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1129 [10:22:22] <colo-work> both perform the same job
1130 [10:22:40] <colo-work> one is a fork of the other, I believe
1131 [10:22:54] <colo-work> I'd just use the one with a newer
release if I were you
1132 [10:22:56] <ratrace> yes, + is a fork, and apparently + works
as a standalone program from boot
1133 [10:23:03] <colo-work> both can do that
1134 [10:23:05] <colo-work> afair
1135 [10:23:22] <colo-work> (and should)
1136 [10:23:55] <ratrace> perfect example when "choice"
is very bad in linux ecosystem....
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1138 [10:24:22] <jm_> just remember that it's not a 100%
test, I had cases where neither detected RAM issues but putting
system under stress things started crashing left and right (I knew
RAM was involved because I added it to the system when it started
happening)
1139 [10:24:52] <ratrace> yeah I know
1140 [10:25:03] <ratrace> bbl, reboot for memtest
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1165 [10:47:23] <slimefoot> hke: stop it, please
1166 [10:47:27] <slimefoot>
replaced-url
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1169 [10:48:38] <hke> slimefoot: Only the last one was on me, but
weird to see how many people copied the initial whitespace from the
webpage. Sorry folks.
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1173 [10:50:18] <slimefoot> hke: those people are not doing it by
mistake - it's just channel advertisement spam
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1176 [10:51:54] <hke> slimefoot: I see, thanks and sorry.
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1203 [11:09:53] <ws2k3> i need to download a huge folder by ftp.
is there any tool that i can use that can resume if the connections
breaks?
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1205 [11:12:25] <ratrace> ws2k3: rsync over ssh
1206 [11:12:29] <ratrace> sftp*
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1211 [11:13:43] <wrksx> Hi there, just read that on SO "[...]
since /bin was merged with /usr/bin and /sbin was merged with
/usr/sbin"
1212 [11:14:21] <wrksx> But this doesn't seem to be the case
on Debian (nor Mint apparently).
1213 [11:15:00] <wrksx> Is there a will to move that way for
Debian or are we going to stick to the split /bin and /usr/bin?
1214 [11:15:04] <ratrace> wrksx: it is if you install buster
fresh, or install the usrmerge package
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1216 [11:16:16] <wrksx> ratrace: alright, my bad checked the wrong
place.
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1219 [11:17:02] <ratrace> ws2k3: oh yeah, wget has --continue too
and it can work with ftp if you really need just plain ftp
1220 [11:17:03] <wrksx> ratrace: but I have a debian 10 minimal
docker container running and it's not setup that way. Is this
possibly because of the usrmerge package not installed?
1221 [11:17:26] <ratrace> wrksx: you'll have to ask whoever
set up that container
1222 [11:17:27] <wrksx> ratrace: in other word, if you install
buster without this package would the directory be merged?
1223 [11:17:52] <ratrace> as for official, regular debian
installation, if you install Buster from the official ISOs, it will
be usrmerge'd
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1225 [11:18:13] <wrksx> ratrace: okay thank you.
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1267 [11:56:27] <strk> can I specify a package version to apt via
some semver specifier ?
1268 [11:56:57] <strk> ie: cache knows about
1.7.2+dfsg-1~ubuntu14.04.1 and 1.5.4+dfsg-1, I want a version in the
1.5 range
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1271 [12:00:21] <strk> apt-get install ansible='1.5*' #
works, but could pick 1.51 (just saying..)
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1273 [12:00:47] <strk> in semver terms it would be ~1.5.0
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1309 [12:24:37] <Haohmaru> ,v kicad
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1311 [12:24:39] <judd> Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie:
0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports:
5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1;
stretch-backports-sloppy: 5.1.4+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports:
5.1.4+dfsg1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.1.4+dfsg1-2; sid: 5.1.5+dfsg1-1
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1361 [13:03:14] <grzesiek11> ,v kde-desktop
1362 [13:03:15] <judd> No package named 'kde-desktop'
was found in amd64.
1363 [13:03:26] <grzesiek11> ,v kde
1364 [13:03:28] <judd> No package named 'kde' was found
in amd64.
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1369 [13:03:57] * grzesiek11 forgot how kde's package is called
1370 [13:04:13] <grzesiek11> ,v plasma-desktop
1371 [13:04:14] <judd> Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- jessie:
4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.14.5.1-1; bullseye:
4:5.14.5.1-4; sid: 4:5.14.5.1-4
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1375 [13:05:15] <grzesiek11> i excepted something higher from
sid...
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1378 [13:05:59] <y0kowka> HEAVEnO everysoul! how to change places
in rhythmbox name of the song and artist?
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1386 [13:10:51] <B|ack0p> hi
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1401 [13:18:21] <jim> B|ack0p, hi
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1413 [13:23:47] <grzesiek11> hi
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1443 [13:46:37] <sweb> my server is reset and i see logs:
"systemd-logind[953]: Power key pressed." And IPMI logs
show "System ACPI Power State ACPI | S4/S5: soft-off |
Asserted"
1444 [13:46:37] <sweb> is power failure or someone push power
button or power off by ILO ? how could i find out ?
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1447 [13:47:49] <jm_> sounds more like the latter
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1457 [13:53:43] <jelly> sweb: someone or something pressed the
physical or virtual power button
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1460 [13:54:32] <jelly> sweb: pressing it over iLO looks exactly
the same to the OS as pressing the physical button. You might find
more info in IML or iLO logs.
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1471 [14:01:17] <jelly> sweb: I don't know what "IPMI
logs" are on a Proliant, how do you access those
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1473 [14:02:13] <torchinz> Hi. I am on Debian-Win10 dual boot. Is
it possible for me to run a disk encryption just on the debian
partition?
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1475 [14:06:09] <B|ack0p> instead of installing debian_xfce iso ,
can i use netinstaller iso and install only xfce de ? is it same
thing or debian xfce iso has extra things?
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1481 [14:09:43] <jelly> B|ack0p: it's exactly the same, but
you need to have internet access for the installer to get debs from
a mirror
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1483 [14:10:47] <B|ack0p> jelly: i dont have big usb flash stick
or dvd player but i have an ethernet cable :p
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1485 [14:11:06] <B|ack0p> and 512mb flash stick
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1488 [14:16:49] <oxek> where do I configure whether a user is
allowed to mount a removable usb stick without root privileges?
1489 [14:17:19] <dvs> B|ack0p, 512MB is enough for a Debian iso
image
1490 [14:17:26] <oxek> currently, when a usb flashdrive is
inserted, icon appears on desktop but clicking it produces an arror
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1492 [14:17:35] <oxek> not even a popup asking for root privileges
1493 [14:18:03] <B|ack0p> dvs: yes only for netinstaller
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1496 [14:18:38] <dvs> B|ack0p, and the ethernet cable is not
attached to the Internet?
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1498 [14:18:53] <B|ack0p> dvs: it is
1499 [14:19:13] <dvs> B|ack0p, so what's the problem?
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1502 [14:21:12] <B|ack0p> dvs: nothing
1503 [14:21:28] <B|ack0p> there was a iso image with xfce but it
was more than 2gb
1504 [14:21:49] <B|ack0p> so i asked if it is ok to use
netinstaller which is small size
1505 [14:21:55] <dvs> B|ack0p, you can install xfce afterwards
1506 [14:22:04] <B|ack0p> yea
1507 [14:22:26] <B|ack0p> but installing over another desktop
causing some problems for me
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1509 [14:22:50] <B|ack0p> so i wanna install it within debian
installer
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1512 [14:25:51] <dvs> B|ack0p, so install the task-xfce-desktop
package with the installer.
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1516 [14:27:55] <B|ack0p> dvs: we r talking same thing
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1518 [14:29:14] <f8e3> from a opsec perspective, is it worth
updating to deb10?
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1525 [14:34:08] <oxek> f8e3: what are you running now?
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1533 [14:37:56] <f8e3> deb9 with all updates ok
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1535 [14:38:19] <f8e3>
replaced-url
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1537 [14:38:56] <oxek> f8e3: if you're on fully updated deb9,
then you have all security updates, but should be looking into
migrating onto deb10 within the next year or so
1538 [14:38:59] <dvs> !stretch-lts
1539 [14:38:59] <dpkg> It is expected that extended security
support for Debian 9 "Stretch" will be offered by the
<LTS> project after the Debian Security Team ceases supporting
stretch in July 2020. See
replaced-url
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1542 [14:39:49] <oxek> f8e3: just do /boot as luks1, and the rest
as luks2
1543 [14:40:11] <oxek> there's no *real* vulnerability in
luks1
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1546 [14:40:38] <f8e3> i dont like the mix, i will wait fro grub
to support it. thank you
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1551 [14:41:13] <velix> Hi. Are these mount parameters in
/etc/fstab are fine for a chroot? Ending "0 0" of course:
replaced-url
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1562 [14:45:36] <oxek> f8e3: what's the problem with the mix?
1563 [14:46:01] <oxek> grub is unlikely to support it ever, due to
increased memory requirements
1564 [14:46:43] <oxek> grub's environment is very restricted
1565 [14:47:05] <oxek> even the luks1 support is a bit of a hack
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1577 [14:50:55] <whislock> f8e3: There's nothing wrong with
mixing luks1 and luks2.
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1596 [15:03:38] <leto> Hi, I'm on debian sid. How can I
downgrade thunderbird 68.2.2 to an 60.* version (where my extensions
were still working) please?
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1598 [15:03:55] <petn-randall> !downgrade
1599 [15:03:56] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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1601 [15:03:59] <greycat> ,snapshot
1602 [15:04:02] <greycat> !snapshot
1603 [15:04:02] <dpkg>
replaced-url
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1606 [15:04:34] <petn-randall> leto: You can try installing it
from the snapshot repos, though I'm not sure if the client data
gets upgraded. So thunderbird might not run anymore on downgrade.
1607 [15:05:00] <greycat> petn-randall's factoid is just to
warn you that installing the older version may or may not go
smoothly. you should back up your profile (or your whole $HOME, or
your whole system) just in case.
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1609 [15:08:46] <leto> petn-randall, greycat : thanks, I'm
going to try the snapshot repo install, after a profile's
backup
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1628 [15:30:06] <madrid> is someone using flatpak to get the last
updated gnome release?
1629 [15:30:16] <greycat> !polls
1630 [15:30:16] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is
taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can
answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers
will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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1638 [15:34:01] <Sora> hi please help, i set my crypttab up as
replaced-url
1639 [15:34:06] <Sora> i want it to use the keyfile instead
1640 [15:34:09] <Sora> and not have to type 12 passwords
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1642 [15:34:15] <annadane> is gnome even in flatpak?! i
wasn't aware something like that - a DE - is even packaged
1643 [15:34:28] <greycat> it's a surprise to me too
1644 [15:34:32] <Sora> i run update-initramfs -u
1645 [15:34:35] <Sora> ran*
1646 [15:35:02] <Sora> and all drives have luksAddKey applied
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1649 [15:36:51] <Sora> oops
1650 [15:36:52] <Sora> i see the issue
1651 [15:37:20] <petn-randall> Sora: Glad we could help ;)
1652 [15:37:22] <Sora> is there a way to make my encrypted swap
partition use a random key on each boot
1653 [15:37:27] <Sora> instead of me having to type it
1654 [15:38:32] <ratrace> Sora: yea, you can supply /dev/(u)random
for they keyfile in crypttab.
1655 [15:38:54] <ratrace> also, if that's for swap,
you'll need to add the swap option to the crypttab as well
1656 [15:40:27] <Sora> wont using a random key fail to unlock the
drive?
1657 [15:40:49] <Sora> how do i specify the swap partition uses
any key
1658 [15:41:20] <Sora> atm
1659 [15:41:20] <Sora> ├─sdm5 94206e12-20fb-463b-b568-41fc767548f7
1660 [15:41:20] <Sora> │ └─sdm5_crypt
739dd7c9-10e7-40f3-8431-03e7930dc389 [SWAP]
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1662 [15:41:49] <petn-randall> Sora: What are you hoping to get
from using a different key on every boot?
1663 [15:42:00] <Sora> not having to type the key each boot
1664 [15:42:07] <Sora> alternatively if i can just auto unlock it
from the first key
1665 [15:42:11] <Sora> but that was bugged iirc
1666 [15:42:42] <petn-randall> Sora: I'm wondering why you
have to unlock so many devices on boot. The usual way is to have a
single LUKS container, and LVM within that.
1667 [15:42:46] <Sora> can i just add the keyfile to the swap
partition too and unlock it with my keyfile in root partition
1668 [15:42:59] <Sora> or is the root partition inaccessible until
swap is mounted
1669 [15:43:13] <Sora> petn-randall: zfs
1670 [15:43:35] <Sora> since zfs encryption is bugged and slow, i
am using luks on each drive then making a zfs array with those
encrypted devices.
1671 [15:43:38] <petn-randall> root can be mounted without swap
being there.
1672 [15:43:59] <petn-randall> Eww, the overhead.
1673 [15:44:10] <Sora> i get 500MB/s read/write penalty using zfs
native encryption
1674 [15:44:11] <Sora> :D
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1676 [15:44:44] <Sora> so 1.1GB/s drops to about 700MB/s
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1680 [15:45:04] <Sora> luks... no noticable drop. maybe in random
read/write but that is not my use case
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1685 [15:47:30] <jelly> Sora: does your workload actually need
that much single-thread write? Sometimes adding complexity can bite
you (or whoever is going to manage the systems) in a couple years
from now
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1688 [15:48:05] <Sora> its also an issue of cpu usage, jelly
1689 [15:48:21] <Sora> luks uses way less cpu than zfs for the
same write speed
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1691 [15:48:37] <Sora> or same read speed
1692 [15:48:41] <Sora> so yes, it might be an issue
1693 [15:48:51] <leto> petn-randall, greycat : the downgrade works
perfectly for the moment, thanks for the tip
1694 [15:49:19] <Sora> storage/storage 102T 4.0G 102T 1% /storage
1695 [15:49:20] <Sora> :D
1696 [15:50:29] <Sora> i probably dont need 1.2GB/s of write speed
but i definitely need a decent chunk of that
1697 [15:50:40] <madrid> @annadane you can find the
org.gnome.Platform as an app requirement
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1699 [15:51:18] <ratrace> Sora: yes, you can use random key for
the swap partition if use use (u)random for keyfile and add
"swap" option to crypttab, check the manpage what tha does
1700 [15:51:55] <Sora> swap uuid seems to change on each boot
1701 [15:51:55] <Sora> .-.
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1703 [15:52:10] <ratrace> Sora: so?
1704 [15:52:28] <Sora> since its sdm5_crypt what do I specify in
crypttab
1705 [15:52:40] <Sora> instead of UUID=xxx
1706 [15:52:49] <Sora> er, sdm5
1707 [15:53:04] <Sora> ok sdm5 does not change
1708 [15:53:04] <Sora> nvm
1709 [15:53:11] <ratrace> Sora: you got it the other way around.
in crypttab you specify the fixed (PART)UUID of the luks container
partition
1710 [15:53:33] <ratrace> then for fstab you don't use UUID,
as it changes on boot, but mapper name
1711 [15:53:55] <ratrace> whatever name you gave in crypttab,
apparently sdm5_crypt
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1742 [16:11:25] <oxek> anyone know how I can make `udisksctl mount
-b /dev/sdc1` not require root permissions? I just want to mount usb
drives without root.
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1744 [16:14:20] <koowgnojeel> oxek: sudoer?
1745 [16:15:22] <oxek> koowgnojeel: yes, my user is part of the
sudo group
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1747 [16:16:19] <oxek> I just don't want to have to put in my
password every time I insert a usb stick
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1750 [16:16:35] <oxek> just like it works on every other linux
machine except this one
1751 [16:17:17] <koowgnojeel> oxek: sudoer > User_Alias
SUPERGROUP=koowgnojeel // Cmnd_Alias
CMD_POWEROFF=/sbin/poweroff,/sbin/reboot // SUPERGROUP
ALL=NOPASSWD:CMD_ADMIN,CMD_POWEROFF,CMD_BASIC
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1762 [16:23:42] <lupulo> oxek, man fstab
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1816 [16:55:56] <mrcrypto> connect
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1862 [17:31:37] <elm_> I need the man page for gcc
1863 [17:31:50] <elm_> however gcc-doc is only available for
debian 9
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1866 [17:32:18] <elm_> apt-get says gcc-doc is not available but
referenced from another package
1867 [17:32:31] <elm_> how to find out which package references
gcc-doc???
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1870 [17:33:55] <greycat> ,v gcc-doc
1871 [17:33:56] <judd> Package: gcc-doc on amd64 --
jessie/contrib: 5:4.9.1-3; stretch/contrib: 5:6.1.0-1;
buster-backports/contrib: 5:8.3.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib:
5:9.2.0-1; sid/contrib: 5:9.2.0-1
1872 [17:34:02] <jelly> !non-free sources
1873 [17:34:03] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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1876 [17:34:20] <jelly> elm_: you'll have to enable those ^
to be able to install the package
1877 [17:34:31] <greycat> !buster-backports
1878 [17:34:31] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian
11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in
the buster-backports repository. See
replaced-url
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1880 [17:34:53] <greycat> It's not in buster. It's in
buster-backports. Apparently it was removed from testing during the
buster freeze; see
replaced-url
1881 [17:35:32] <jelly> oh even better
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1884 [17:36:12] <elm_> using Debian 10
1885 [17:36:24] <greycat> aka buster
1886 [17:36:39] <jelly> ,v gcc-8-doc
1887 [17:36:41] <judd> Package: gcc-8-doc on amd64 --
buster-backports/non-free: 8.3.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free:
8.3.0-2; sid/non-free: 8.3.0-2
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1889 [17:36:52] <jhutchins_wk> ,v curl
1890 [17:36:53] <judd> Package: curl on amd64 -- jessie:
7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u16; stretch:
7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; buster:
7.64.0-4; bullseye: 7.66.0-1+b1; sid: 7.66.0-1+b1
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1892 [17:37:14] <jelly> I won't ask why that's in
-backports instead of, say, -proposed-updates
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1896 [17:38:45] <jelly> elm_: so to recap: you need both
buster-backports enabled, and you also need contrib and non-free
enabled.
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1898 [17:39:18] <jelly> (for buster-backports at least)
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1901 [17:40:39] <elm_> yes, that has worked
1902 [17:40:52] <elm_> what if I also need these packages offline?
1903 [17:41:02] <elm_> how can I get the pool-download url?
1904 [17:41:28] <greycat> apt-get --print-uris install --reinstall
whatever
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1906 [17:43:16] <elm_> the packages are already in the cache so
that --print-uris yields no effect
1907 [17:43:31] <greycat> which is why I used --reinstall
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1909 [17:44:31] <elm_> rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* works for me
1910 [17:44:35] <elm_> reinstall did not work
1911 [17:45:01] <jelly> elm_: apt-get --print-uris download foo
1912 [17:45:10] <greycat> oh, new subcommands
1913 [17:45:39] <greycat> ... and it's in *wheezy*, sheesh.
1914 [17:45:39] <jelly> should work in debian 10. and 9.
1915 [17:46:03] <jelly> I did not expect it in 8 nor 7 but if you
say so!
1916 [17:47:10] <jelly> elm_: that one does not print the URI if
you already have the package in current directory (instead of
/var/cache/apt/archives/)
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1918 [17:48:04] <greycat> Not in squeeze, so looks like it was
added in wheezy.
1919 [17:48:51] * jelly pretends not to have any squeeze systems at hand
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1984 [18:27:05] <SanchoPensa> hey, guys!
1985 [18:27:10] <Nebst> hi
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1988 [18:28:11] <SanchoPensa> do you know of a way to teach scp to
copy files in batch mode from a txt.file containing links to
file-system locations?
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1990 [18:29:12] <section1> parse the file with a script
1991 [18:29:20] <Nebst> python?
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1995 [18:30:39] <SanchoPensa> section1: is that the only way?
1996 [18:30:49] <SanchoPensa> Nebst: ?
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1998 [18:31:09] <Nebst> which os linux?
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2004 [18:32:11] <section1> i never see scp using a file to do
that...
2005 [18:32:18] <SanchoPensa> Nebst: debian, obviously... :D
2006 [18:32:26] <Nebst> ah
2007 [18:32:50] <wsky> you can generate the file server side and
push it to the server
2008 [18:32:53] <SanchoPensa> section1: unfortunately, me
neither... maybe should I use rsnapshot, or something..
2009 [18:32:55] <wsky> client side*
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2012 [18:33:21] <SanchoPensa> wsky: is there a difference?
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2016 [18:33:31] <SanchoPensa> whether I push or pull it?
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2019 [18:33:59] <section1> SanchoPensa, maybe with rsync and
--files-from
2020 [18:34:37] <SanchoPensa> section1: also an option, yes, thank
you!
2021 [18:34:55] <section1> np
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2039 [18:42:38] <duelle> Hi sponix, thanks for the effort you made
to reproduce the issue! Unfortunately, setting the max_connections
to a higher value didn't do the trick in my case :/
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2041 [18:44:45] <section1> what is the issue duelle ?
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2044 [18:45:57] <duelle> I installed a MariaDB on latest Debian.
MariaDB reports a warning that the file limit cannot be increased
above 4096. Every try to increase the relevant parameters
didn't change anything..
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2047 [18:46:22] <section1> AH
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2049 [18:46:43] <duelle> Last try included increasing
max_connections as it is somehow related to the max open files
according to the docs, but that didn't help either,
unfortunately.
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2051 [18:46:59] <section1> duelle, do you use systemd ?
2052 [18:47:03] <duelle> Yes
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2057 [18:47:53] <section1> duelle, check LimitNOFILE for systemd
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2059 [18:48:32] <duelle> section1: I did (and set) that value
already, but even though it is picked up, it doesn't increase
the said limit in MariaDB.
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2071 [18:50:50] <section1> duelle, du you setup in the service
file of mariadb ?
2072 [18:50:56] <section1> do*
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2077 [18:51:47] <duelle> You mean the LimitNOFILE, section1? That
is doen in a drop-in file. According to systemctl show mariadb that
value is loaded and set, but there seems to be another
'delimiter' for the open files..
2078 [18:51:51] <section1> hum i don't have a debian with
systemd right now to test it..
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2084 [18:54:32] <duelle> sponix apparently reproduced the issue
and mentioned that increasing max_connections had helped in his
scenario. But for me, apparently, it doesn't. And I have no
clue why.
2085 [18:55:06] <section1> weird
2086 [18:55:25] <section1>
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2087 [18:55:36] <section1> i think that with that should work..
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2089 [18:56:59] <duelle> section1: According to sysctl that value
is set to 1048576. So much higher than the 4096 in the warning.
2090 [18:57:06] <section1> yeap
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2094 [18:59:12] <duelle> section1: And in systemctl show mariadb
it is set to the exact value I set (which is 102400)
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2096 [18:59:32] <duelle> But still the error persists with the
limit of 4096 that MariaDB cannot/is not allowed to exceed
2097 [18:59:45] <duelle> *warning
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2104 [19:02:25] <karlpinc> duelle: How did you install mariadb,
from the debian repos?
2105 [19:02:40] <duelle> karlpinc: Yes
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2107 [19:03:18] <duelle> karlpinc: mariadb-server
1:10.3.18-0+deb10u1
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2109 [19:03:32] <karlpinc> duelle: You might look in the bug
tracking system/file a bug. There could be a workaround in there.
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2111 [19:03:40] <karlpinc> (open or closed bug)
2112 [19:05:13] <karlpinc> duelle: It is also the kind of thing
that might come up on the debian user mailing list. You can check
the archive and/or ask there.
2113 [19:05:15] <duelle> karlpinc: Maybe I have to do so..
Yesterday, I also asked in #maria, unfortunately I didn't get
any responses.
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2118 [19:07:12] <karlpinc> duelle: I don't know any apparmor,
is there anything in there that might be messing with you or do you
know for sure it is the sysctl?
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2120 [19:07:56] <karlpinc> (And I am curious what all those files
are doing open.)
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2128 [19:11:53] <duelle> karlpinc: My problem is, that I do not
know where this limit is set. sysctl and also systemctl report
limits much higher than the 4096 open files. As far as I know there
is no apparmor present on this machine.
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2131 [19:12:22] <whislock> duelle: Running buster?
2132 [19:12:52] <jelly> duelle: how did you check systemctl for
that specific service?
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2134 [19:13:04] <duelle> whislock: Debian 10.2, yes
2135 [19:13:07] <whislock> Then apparmor is present and running.
That doesn't sound like something apparmor would impose,
though.
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2137 [19:13:31] <duelle> jelly: systemctl show mariadb
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2141 [19:14:45] <jelly> duelle: and what do both LimitNOFILE and
LimitNOFILESoft say, more than 4096?
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2145 [19:15:36] <duelle> jelly: Both are set to 102400 (as I set
it in the drop-in file for mariadb, and as documented in the
corresponding docs for MariaDB)
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2147 [19:15:39] <Ankman> just read Android might soon use an
ordinary Linux. hope they select Debian
2148 [19:15:58] <jelly> okay, I'll assume systemd
doesn't do anything weird there, then
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2151 [19:17:15] <jelly> Ankman: be careful reading articles, some
say "Linux" when they mean "Linux kernel", which
is strictly correct, some say "Linux" when they refer to
a(ny) whole Linux distribution (OS)
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2157 [19:18:56] <Ankman> jelly: good point
2158 [19:18:57] <jelly> Ankman: Android, or its open source bits
called AOSP, will never be based on a different distro not
controlled by Google. You probably read a text where it meant
"the Linux kernel"
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2160 [19:19:44] <Ankman> headline was "Google wants Android
to use regular Linux kernel"
2161 [19:19:59] <dvs> *kernel*
2162 [19:20:00] <Ankman> can post the link from androidpolice
2163 [19:20:38] <jelly> Ankman: that makes more sense, no need to
post link
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2165 [19:21:58] <jelly> the kernel is just one (if rather
important) part of a distro
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2168 [19:22:42] * Ankman knows
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2171 [19:23:28] <Ankman> english isn't my natice language. i
probably miss-read something
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2175 [19:24:04] <jelly> miss-ed the "kernel" word right
after "Linux"
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2177 [19:24:27] <greycat> (which is redundant)
2178 [19:24:41] <jelly> we'll have to agree to disagree on
that
2179 [19:25:01] <Ankman> you're right
2180 [19:25:25] * annadane disagrees to agree
2181 [19:25:26] <Ankman> jelly i mean
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2185 [19:25:57] <section1> duelle, hum i tested in debian9 and
works fine.!
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2188 [19:27:12] <section1> adding open_files_limit to mariadb
options and creating a file in
/etc/systemd/system/mariadb.service.d/ with the new limit
2189 [19:27:19] <jelly> duelle: care to pastebin all of "grep
mysqld /var/log/daemon.log" ?
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2191 [19:28:11] <nvram_alternativ> hino everyone
2192 [19:28:11] <sponix> duelle: odd, I was up to the 16384 or
whatever the systemd services defaulted to after putting max
connections to like 20K -- So thought that would have improved
something for you also
2193 [19:28:38] <sponix> duelle: This is on a nearly bare Debian
10 virtual machine
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2198 [19:30:05] <duelle> I just found another limit which actually
is 4096. In #maria they pointed me to a guide on file limits where
it also says to check 'ulimit -Hn' which actually reports
4096.
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2200 [19:30:46] <section1> yeah that is in
/etc/security/limits.conf
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2203 [19:31:22] <duelle> section1: That file is effectively
empty.. (completely commented out)
2204 [19:31:23] <jelly> duelle: that's precisely what
LimitNOFile addresses, hard limit for nofile
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2208 [19:32:05] <jelly> running "ulimit -Hn" only shows
the value for that shell you run it in
2209 [19:32:13] <section1> well "that is in" = "you
can change that in"
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2211 [19:32:50] <nvram_alternativ> What about developing a
freesource setup???
2212 [19:32:52] <jelly> section1: /etc/security/limits.conf is a
config file for pam_limits module.
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2215 [19:33:27] <section1> yeah
2216 [19:33:36] <duelle> When trying to set fs.file-max, I get
this:
2217 [19:33:37] <duelle> # sysctl -w fs.file-max=102400
2218 [19:33:38] <duelle> sysctl: setting key
"fs.file-max": Read-only file system
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2220 [19:33:57] <duelle> Is anything wrong with my system maybe?
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2222 [19:34:03] <jelly> duelle: is this a VM or a VPS? Do you
control the kernel?
2223 [19:34:04] <section1> looks like yes
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2226 [19:34:42] <jelly> if it's a VPS container many kernel
tunables will be fixed
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2228 [19:35:16] <jelly> duelle: and fs.file-max should be much
bigger than 102400, by default.
2229 [19:35:17] <nvram_alternativ> come on people tell libreboot
coreboot to develop a freesource setup
2230 [19:35:52] <nvram_alternativ> lets kill intell mei and amd
PSP
2231 [19:35:56] <jelly> nvram_alternativ: you're in #debian
right now. Perhaps you want to find a libreboot or coreboot channel.
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2234 [19:36:46] <jelly> nvram_alternativ: or a hardware one. /msg
alis help
2235 [19:37:49] <sponix> duelle: I currently can now get mine to
do whatever I want -- I have it up to 50K lol
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2237 [19:38:42] <jelly> duelle: what does "cat
/proc/sys/fs/file-max" or "sysctl fs.file-max" say in
the first place?
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2240 [19:40:08] <section1> sure its says 4096
2241 [19:40:11] <section1> lol
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2243 [19:40:12] <duelle> jelly: It's a LXC container in
Proxmox. Sorry if this would be an essential thing, but I never
expected that to be relevant :/
2244 [19:40:21] <duelle> give me a second. I'll check the
details.
2245 [19:40:33] <jelly> duelle: Today You Learned!
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2248 [19:41:12] <sponix> duelle: Yes, that most certainly matters
lol
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2250 [19:41:19] <duelle> jelly: # cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
2251 [19:41:20] <duelle> 595726
2252 [19:41:38] <sponix> duelle: I updated my text with what all
was required on my fresh Debian 10 VM to get up to 50K (the limit I
used)
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2254 [19:41:55] <duelle> Same result for 'sysctl
fs.file-max'
2255 [19:42:10] <sponix> duelle: See if you have already done all
those steps, and if so double check your mysql var again to see what
it shows the limit as now :)
2256 [19:42:33] <sponix> duelle: I now have fs.nr_open=50000 also
2257 [19:42:54] <jelly> duelle: then you probably don't want
or need to make it lower
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2260 [19:43:43] <jelly> duelle: other restrictions may be imposed
on the container however, I'd investigate in that area
2261 [19:43:44] <duelle> I'm confused now. Are 'ulimit
-Hn' (=4096) and fs.file-max directly related?
2262 [19:43:53] * sponix goes to take an old man nap
2263 [19:43:54] <jelly> no.
2264 [19:44:17] <sponix> duelle: ulimit is a "process
limit" -- not files open :)
2265 [19:44:25] <jelly> fs.file-max is just a global upper limit
for all the processes combined
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2267 [19:44:54] <section1> yeah
2268 [19:44:59] <section1> not per process
2269 [19:45:06] <jelly> sponix: ulimit is a shell builtin command
showing state for _just that shell you run it in_
2270 [19:45:12] <sponix> jelly: Yeah.. I have to bump mine up for
rtorrent -- most of the time it defaults to like only 1024 - and I
seed well over 2K torrents
2271 [19:45:17] <Ankman> sponix: later
2272 [19:45:27] <duelle> The key item seems to be the ulimit -Hn
and the fact that I cannot (easily) change that right now. The only
thing that I see right now is a property of the lxc container that
says that it is 'unprivileged'.
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2274 [19:45:41] <jelly> duelle: "ulimit -Hn" is a red
herring.
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2276 [19:45:58] <duelle> But I am not sure what value to alter in
sysctl if file-max is already that high, though ulimit -Hn being
that low..
2277 [19:46:26] <sponix> duelle: aside from this headache. How
would you say Proxmox is doing ?
2278 [19:46:52] <jelly> duelle: limits imposed on interactive
shells are not relevant or important for a service started by
systemd
2279 [19:47:12] <sponix> duelle: I just use MX Linux for my Host
OS, and have a handful of things in full VMware virtual machines
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2283 [19:47:33] <duelle> jelly: I see, but apparently this limit
seems to be there somehow.. and ulimit is the only place where I
found it yet.
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2285 [19:48:01] <jelly> duelle: you want to check limits for a
running process that is not your bash? cat /proc/PIDHERE/limits
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2288 [19:48:43] <sponix> jelly: here is what I had to do to my
regular Debian 10 install to make it work.
replaced-url
2289 [19:48:50] <duelle> sponix: I am not a power user, but in
general I like it. Some things are a bit tricky (e.g., network
setup, forwarding) to get used to, but for easy things and overview,
the UI is a nice thing. Many things can be done 'around'
the containers in Proxmox graphically (e.g., firewall) which might
lead to confusion
2290 [19:49:16] <section1> maybe the host is setting that limit
the container process
2291 [19:49:32] <section1> so maybe you need to change the host
limits.conf file
2292 [19:49:46] <section1> or something in the host
2293 [19:49:53] <section1> not in the container
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2296 [19:50:10] <sponix> section1: yeah, that could be possible
for sure. Because the specific number of 4096 he keeps bumping never
popped up for me inside my vm
2297 [19:50:11] <duelle> jelly: That gives me exactly the said
4096 as soft and hard limit for open files ...
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2304 [19:50:39] <section1> duelle, try that in the host with the
pid of the lxd container
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2307 [19:50:57] <section1> cat /proc/LXDPIDHERE/limits
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2309 [19:51:04] <jelly> duelle: okay, now, which init system is
REALLY running inside this container? cat /proc/1/comm
2310 [19:51:05] <sponix> Could the container actually be
inheriting this from the Host ?
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2314 [19:51:28] <section1> sure...it a process running
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2316 [19:51:33] <section1> its.
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2318 [19:52:51] <duelle> jelly: The host is a debian stretch
(9.11)
2319 [19:53:02] <duelle> And you were right, the process has the
exact limit of 4096
2320 [19:53:12] <duelle> From the viewpoint of the host.
2321 [19:53:29] <duelle> For the mysql process
2322 [19:53:43] <duelle> jelly: So it's also systemd
2323 [19:53:50] <section1> ok try to change the limits of the host
2324 [19:53:59] <Starhowl> Why are there no /etc/rcN.d-folders on
my Raspbian?
2325 [19:54:08] <greycat> ask #raspbian
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2330 [19:56:47] <duelle> section1: Where should I change the limit
for the process?
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2333 [19:57:15] <duelle> sysctl: fs.file-max is at 595726,
fs.file-nr is 5664 0 595726
2334 [19:57:41] <section1> try to add something like : * soft
nofile 10000 in limits.conf
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2336 [19:57:58] <section1> restart the container and check the
limits of the process
2337 [19:57:59] <greycat> What is the goal here, and why are you
editing limits.conf?
2338 [19:58:13] <section1> and hard too
2339 [19:58:18] <section1> soft and hard
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2342 [19:59:43] <duelle> greycat: Increasing the number of max
open files for a lxc container
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2344 [20:00:11] <mason> duelle: You're the first person
I've ever encountered where that answer hasn't been
"Oracle".
2345 [20:00:30] <greycat> And you think limits.conf is going to do
this?
2346 [20:00:47] <greycat> Does the lxc container login on tty1
with a username and password?
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2349 [20:01:00] <duelle> section1: I added the lines you mentioned
in /etc/security/limits.conf, but still the limits are 4096
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2351 [20:01:16] <greycat> because limits.conf has NOTHING to do
with resource limits for daemons
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2353 [20:01:28] <section1> duelle, ok :(
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2355 [20:02:01] <section1> it depends if the daemon is execute
from a shell
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2357 [20:02:37] <section1> promox ?
2358 [20:02:49] <greycat> One of the main design points of modern
system managers (including systemd) is that the variables and
resources and privileges and limits of the shell are not propagated
into the daemons.
2359 [20:03:06] <duelle> greycat: I have a login prompt inside
Proxmox UI on tty1, yes
2360 [20:03:14] <greycat> But if you're running
/usr/sbin/mysqld directly from a shell instead of launching it as a
service, then certainly, the shell's settings would play a
role.
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2364 [20:04:15] <duelle> mason: As a reply to which question?
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2366 [20:04:34] <JordiGH> What's the hash in /etc/shadow?
2367 [20:04:43] <greycat> Several are possible.
2368 [20:04:50] <section1> i found this :
replaced-url
2369 [20:05:05] <greycat> shadow(5) says "refer to
crypt(3)"
2370 [20:05:07] <JordiGH> 6, so that's sha512
2371 [20:05:10] <JordiGH> gg
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2377 [20:07:18] <duelle> section1: That seems to have done the
trick! I set that setting for that specific container to 102400 and
at least the ulimit is at that value now
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2380 [20:07:43] <section1> nice
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2383 [20:08:10] <duelle> Warning in MariaDB is also gone now.. OMG
.. Sorry that I didn't think about mentioning the LXC thing..
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2385 [20:08:26] <duelle> Thanks so much guys section1 greycat
sponix jelly
2386 [20:09:12] <duelle> Never actually expected this to be such a
complicated 'journey'
2387 [20:09:17] <Starhowl> How can I find out which init-system is
running on my Raspbian?
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2389 [20:09:39] <greycat> Starhowl: ask #raspbian
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2391 [20:10:21] <muhaha> Guys? I want to use KVM/QEMU for pfsense
( guest ). I have board with 3 NICs, how to do it ? Is possible to
use direct passtru for NIC directly to the guest? ( DHCP client for
ISP ) Other two should be bridged to LAN, with host and another
KVMs...
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2395 [20:11:12] <karlpinc> duelle: Thing about lxc is that
you're running the host kernel.
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2397 [20:11:20] <karlpinc> duelle: Different from a full vm.
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2400 [20:13:22] <duelle> Sorry, forgot to mention you too,
karlpinc. Yeah, you're right.. I never expected this to go that
deep down the rabbit hole.. :/
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2407 [20:18:12] <mason> Starhowl: It's a subset of systemd.
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2441 [20:34:50] <sponix> duelle: well glad to see you got it going
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2454 [20:43:31] <duelle> sponix: A quite late
'enlightenment' on the source of the issue.. so yeah.
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2515 [21:08:32] <B|ack0p> what is happening?
2516 [21:08:47] <B|ack0p> ppl joining/quiting for long time but
nobody talking
2517 [21:08:55] <g105b> I'll talk!
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2520 [21:09:05] <B|ack0p> g105b: good then :p
2521 [21:09:09] <g105b> I need some help anyway.
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2523 [21:09:18] <B|ack0p> my screen was full of join/quit messages
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2525 [21:09:28] <B|ack0p> :p
2526 [21:09:51] <greycat> B|ack0p: we *like* it when it's
quiet. Less work for us.
2527 [21:09:59] <B|ack0p> g105b: unfortunately i am not good one
to get help :/
2528 [21:10:07] <g105b> My Ubuntu desktop (gnome) became unusably
slow today for some reason. I assumed it had auto-updated itself or
something happened to make it incompatible. I downloaded the latest
Debian using my laptop, and went ahead and installed. I chose not to
install anything other than default settings. I booted into Debian,
and the exact same issue is
2529 [21:10:07] <B|ack0p> greycat: i see :)
2530 [21:10:07] <g105b> presenting itself. gnome-shell using 100%
of all cores.
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2532 [21:10:22] <B|ack0p> i think i just woke up the room :p
2533 [21:10:24] <greycat> ask #ubuntu if you have Ubuntu questions
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2535 [21:10:39] <g105b> greycat: read the question
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2537 [21:11:22] <g105b> I don't usually use Ubuntu, so I had
assumed the problem was Ubuntu-specific, but it's affecting the
Debian I know and love.
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2539 [21:11:32] <g105b> I just don't know where to start
troubleshooting.
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2553 [21:16:14] <Ankman> g105b: check the installation log if
gnome-shell or other parts of gnome recieved an update yesterday
2554 [21:16:22] <Ankman> might be a buggy update then
2555 [21:16:35] <hummingbee> start with hardware
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2558 [21:18:00] <g105b> It feels like it's gnome-shell to
blame, because I can boot into Windows just fine.
2559 [21:18:11] <karlpinc`> Well, if it is happening on both a
desktop and a laptop it is probably not hardware.
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2561 [21:18:37] <g105b> No sorry it's not happening on laptop
- I just used the laptop to download debian, as I couldn't do
it from ubuntu (too slow)
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2563 [21:19:01] <greycat> *what* is slow? network transfers? disk
reads? mouse movement?
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2568 [21:19:39] <g105b> greycat: mouse movement. There's no
network activity (and it's still slow with ethernet unplugged).
No disk activity going on, but 100% usage on all cores by
gnome-shell
2569 [21:19:55] <g105b> I've removed all hardware that
isn't necessary to operate the PC.
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2571 [21:20:07] <greycat> you ran "top" and it literally
shows 4 (or however many) "gnome-shell" processes, each
using 100% CPU?
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2576 [21:20:17] <g105b> Yes, literally.
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2578 [21:20:27] <greycat> Fun. Go go gnome.
2579 [21:20:34] <livebrain> top gives you other info also
2580 [21:20:52] <livebrain> like wa for example
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2582 [21:20:56] <towo`> maybe missing hardware acceleration
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2585 [21:21:06] <oerheks> top -b -n 1 | head -n 12
2586 [21:21:10] <towo`> gnome shell over llvmpipe is slow as hell
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2589 [21:21:34] <g105b> This PC has been running Debian and/or
Ubuntu for the last 6 years just fine.
2590 [21:22:05] <greycat> A sudden dramatic change without any
accompanying software updates is typically hardware failure.
2591 [21:22:20] <greycat> Anything interesting in dmesg, log
files, etc.?
2592 [21:22:27] <livebrain> again top gives you more info
2593 [21:22:30] <g105b> It still boots Windows fine, and can cope
editing video, etc. in Windows.
2594 [21:22:43] <g105b> I am going to perform your suggestions
just as soon as the device becomes responsive again.
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2596 [21:23:33] <g105b> Oh ok I just managed to boot into
"gnome classic" and there is no problem there.
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2599 [21:24:03] <towo`> [21:20:56] <towo`> maybe missing
hardware acceleration
2600 [21:24:11] <towo`> [21:21:10] <towo`> gnome shell over
llvmpipe is slow as hell
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2602 [21:24:26] <g105b> Probably. I've always just let the PC
install what it needs because I don't like to tweak things.
2603 [21:24:59] <towo`> gnome needs working hardware 3d
2604 [21:25:02] <g105b> How would I know about what hardware
acceleration it has? I'm a total newbie at hacking desktop
OSes.
2605 [21:25:15] <towo`> glxinfo | grep OpenG
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2628 [21:26:48] <g105b> glxinfo: command not found
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2632 [21:27:02] <g105b> apt install glxinfo -- E: Unable to locate
package glxinfo
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2634 [21:27:18] <livebrain> apt-cache search glxinfo
2635 [21:27:18] <greycat> it's in mesa-utils
2636 [21:27:21] <livebrain> mesa-utils - Utilitários Mesa
GL variados
2637 [21:27:31] <livebrain> apt-get install mesa-utils
2638 [21:28:06] <g105b> I see renderer string: llbmpipe
2639 [21:28:12] <g105b> That sounds like it's what you
suggested.
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2643 [21:28:29] <greycat> Are you trying to repair Ubuntu, or
install Debian, right now?
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2648 [21:28:57] <g105b> Either. I'm happy with Debian, but I
was giving Ubuntu a spin to see what it offered (I'm still
unsure).
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2651 [21:30:01] <livebrain> you run debian for 6 years as your
main system ?
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2653 [21:30:25] <nikel> hi
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2655 [21:30:31] <g105b> Yeah, still do on my laptop.
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2659 [21:31:11] <g105b> Just my desktop decided to die today
because of gnome-shell. It looks like the cause is due to graphics
software taking a hike.
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2663 [21:32:07] <g105b> I choose Debian because like a good OS it
doesn't require tweaking, or even being aware of it being
there.
2664 [21:32:30] <B|ack0p> g105b: desktop environments need
tweaking
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2666 [21:32:42] <teclo-> evening, on my Debian 10.x clean install,
I tried to install and enable nullidentd. I did apt install
nullidentd and it installed nullidentd, inetd and update-inetd. I
edit /etc/inetd.conf to enable and configure nullidentd. But perhaps
should I have used the update-inetd command instead... ?
2667 [21:32:57] <g105b> Apart from placing my icons where I want
them, I pretty much haven't tweaked gnome from however it
wanted to install itself many years ago.
2668 [21:33:10] <g105b> I'm a fan of defaults.
2669 [21:33:30] <B|ack0p> g105b: i like defaults too.
2670 [21:33:38] <B|ack0p> but gnome is heavy..
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2675 [21:34:07] <g105b> Understood, but the other DEs I've
tried have required hacking to work properly and I have a very low
patience for that kind of thing.
2676 [21:34:15] <g105b> If I wanted that I'd use Macintosh.
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2681 [21:35:04] <B|ack0p> lol g105b right
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2683 [21:35:28] <karlpinc> g105b: As far as I can tell what Ubuntu
does differently than debian is: Releases more often, so newer
stuff. Tries to be "helpful" -- "did you mean to type
'pretzel'?". Breaks more often.
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2685 [21:36:10] <g105b> karlpinc yup... that's what I
guessed. I'll stick back with Debian because it does less and
that's a good thing.
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2687 [21:36:36] <g105b> B|ack0p any recommendation of your
preferred DE? I realise I've got to pick something other than
gnome, as it doesn't work out of the box.
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2690 [21:37:17] <B|ack0p> g105b: my favs so far are gnome-classic
and Xfce but both have cons and pros
2691 [21:37:47] <g105b> I am a big fan of having windows use up
all their vertical space, without having menus and title bars taking
up an inch at the top.
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2693 [21:37:49] <Ankman> g105b: have other desktop managers, like
Mate installed? see if the problem ocurs there too
2694 [21:37:49] <B|ack0p> i like xfce simplicity but needs too
much tweak and i still trying to learn how to do/build
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2696 [21:38:30] <B|ack0p> g105b: you like Mac like desktop as i
see
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2698 [21:38:59] <g105b> hmm the Macintosh remark was just a quip.
2699 [21:39:11] <greycat> g105b: you blew me off. If you are newly
installing Debian, and video accel isn't working, it's
usually resolvable by installing firmware, or in some cases a
driver.
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2701 [21:39:30] <greycat> g105b: to diagnose this, you start with
"lspci -nn" and "dmesg | grep -i firmware"
2702 [21:40:26] <g105b> sorry greycat any blowing off was
unintentional; very distractable currently
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2710 [21:43:23] <B|ack0p> g105b: no quip :p just mac desktop kinda
looks like gnome interface :p
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2712 [21:44:21] <g105b> meh, defaults :)
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2714 [21:44:53] <g105b> I'm trying to figure out your advice
greycat, might take me a while because I'm not good at hacking
the desktop. Well, successfully.
2715 [21:44:58] <nikel> hi there
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2717 [21:45:20] <greycat> Just paste the output of "lspci
-nn" and "dmesg | grep -i firmware" on
replaced-url
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2722 [21:47:27] <g105b> termbin.com/4osm
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2724 [21:48:08] <g105b> termbin.com/1irr
2725 [21:48:12] <g105b> greycat ^
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2727 [21:48:45] <greycat> ,pciid 10de:13c2
2728 [21:48:46] <judd> [10de:13c2] is 'GM204 [GeForce GTX
970]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules
'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also
replaced-url
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2733 [21:50:23] <greycat> I tried "apt-cache search GTX
970" and it says nvidia-legacy-340xx-kernel-dkms (among other
things that all contain 340xx)
2734 [21:50:31] <greycat> !nvidia dkms
2735 [21:50:31] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later.
Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.
«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section
"Device"ntIdentifier "My GPU"ntDriver
"nvidia"nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the
<nouveau> blacklist.
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2737 [21:50:54] <greycat> Nvidia is not my strong point, but
that's probably a good starting point.
2738 [21:51:25] <g105b> Thanks greycat I'll prod around and
see what works. Can't get it much more wrong than it currently
is...
2739 [21:51:31] <hummingbee> ...
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2741 [21:51:42] <towo`> 970 is not a legacy card
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2744 [21:51:53] <towo`> it's supported by the normal
nvidia-driver
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2746 [21:52:18] <g105b> nvidia-detect tells me to install
nvidia-driver
2747 [21:52:29] <towo`> exact
2748 [21:52:34] <lupine> tell it to eff off
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2750 [21:53:10] <somiaj> the package nvidia-driver automoates a
bit of that factoid, but I still use the factoid's method.
2751 [21:53:21] <greycat> Ah, grep got bogus results, because
there's "9700" in some lines and "GTX" in
other lines.
2752 [21:53:26] <greycat> Nvidia is such a mess.
2753 [21:53:28] <bouba> hi all, what the best programme to use for
virtualisation in buster plz.?
2754 [21:53:38] <greycat> s/grep/apt-cache search/
2755 [21:53:49] <somiaj> yea, ever so often they renumber
everything making it more confusing.
2756 [21:53:58] <towo`> bouba, qemu
2757 [21:54:11] <g105b> I wouldn't have used nvidia if I knew
it would be such an issue.
2758 [21:54:16] <bouba> towo virt-manager?
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2760 [21:54:24] <towo`> why?
2761 [21:54:28] <towo`> qemu is enought
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2764 [21:55:07] <nikel> bye
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2766 [21:55:21] <bouba> towo`, you know a best tutorial about qemu
and buster?
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2768 [21:56:03] <towo`> bouba,
replaced-url
2769 [21:56:07] <somiaj> bouba: depends on what you want to do, so
there is no best. Personally I suggest using libvirt and let it do
the heavy lifting.
2770 [21:56:15] <teclo-> ok now it works
2771 [21:56:17] <somiaj> there are some decent pages on the debian
wiki too
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2775 [21:56:28] <teclo-> I wasn't using the right syntax:)
2776 [21:56:46] <bouba> somiaj, i want to use it for windows 7.
2777 [21:56:51] <somiaj> bouba:
replaced-url
2778 [21:57:13] <somiaj> bouba: windows 7 as the guest? Again
libvirt will do the heavy lifting, I think it even has a preset
selection to say 'best options for windows 7'
2779 [21:57:19] <karlpinc> bouba: "Best" depends on your
situation.
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2781 [21:57:24] <bouba> somiaj, but is late with windows 7.
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2783 [21:57:40] <somiaj> if you want a gui, virt-managaer allows
you to control things via one.
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2786 [21:57:58] <somiaj> using qemu and kvm directly is possible,
but requires a lot more reading to figure out exactly which flags
you need for your setup.
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2789 [21:58:23] <bouba> somiaj, a have virt-manager installed but
is slow with windows 7.
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2791 [21:59:11] <somiaj> windows 7 isn't the best to run in a
vm, I noticed just switching to windows 10 my vms worked way better.
2792 [21:59:36] <somiaj> But make sure you install all the
appropriate drivers inside the windows guest, and check the
configurations for the windows 7 guest under the vm.
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2798 [22:00:44] <bouba> ok i go to read about virt-manager. but
before in virtualbox windows7 worked fastely "exuse my bad
english".
2799 [22:01:12] <somiaj> virtualbox just handels windows guests
better, though with windows 10 I noticed less of a diffrence myself.
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2801 [22:01:39] <somiaj> but there are drivers, settings you can
do to speed things up. Also depends on what you are doing with the
guest.
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2807 [22:02:51] <somiaj> though my experience is I tried to run
windows 7 in a vm multiple times and it was always a pain. Then I
got a version of windows 10 from work, and it just worked way better
in a vm, I think there are a lot of imporvments on the windows side
to run in a vm better.
2808 [22:03:55] <bouba> ok thx 4 the informations.
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2985 [22:14:13] <deadrom> hi
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2994 [22:14:48] <deadrom> home server with raid 5 crashed, broken
psu, replaced, comes up: one drive missing. can't tell which
one physically. ideas?
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2998 [22:15:36] <deadrom> would stop md1 and pluck one by one
following dmseg, but system won't let me stop md1, says some
process holds it, but not which. stopped NFS server, wouldn't
know what else is holding it
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3000 [22:15:45] <deadrom> wait, untrue, samba..
3001 [22:15:45] <wsky> well, you could always check serial numbers
on the drive stickers and ask sdparm or hdparm or smartctl for the
info
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3003 [22:16:44] <deadrom> probably what I'm gonna do
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3052 [22:40:53] <raidghost> deadrom: raid 6 next time
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3062 [22:45:40] <deadrom> raidghost: hum?
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3065 [22:45:56] <deadrom> the array assembles, but a drive is
missing
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3068 [22:46:33] <wsky> is it software or hardware raid?
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3076 [22:49:35] <wsky> i guess mdadm should tell you which port
the screwed drive is plugged in
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3078 [22:49:51] <wsky> but i haven't ran raid in years
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3086 [22:52:41] <deadrom> wsky: mdadm raid indeed
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3088 [22:52:57] <deadrom> I think it's more a missing drive
that isnt powered up
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3090 [22:53:12] <wsky> mdadm tools probably should point you the
dead port the drive is plugged in
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3097 [22:56:55] <Kobaz> how might i dpkg install and skip pre/post
init
3098 [22:57:12] <deadrom> Kobaz: dload deb, extract, copy manually
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3101 [22:57:23] <Kobaz> that's what i normally do... no nifty
way
3102 [22:57:24] <Kobaz> aww
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3104 [22:57:43] <Kobaz> --skip-pre-init or something would be nice
3105 [22:57:45] <somiaj> Kobaz: really sounds like an xy problem,
why do you want to skip these scripts, they are often important.
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3107 [22:57:58] <deadrom> wsky: can't see such an option. the
fun continues: those are toshiba-relabeled hitachis and the SN on
the labels dont match the smartctl SN
3108 [22:58:05] <Kobaz> pre init is failing, because i have a
custom setup for this particular package
3109 [22:58:06] <waterfilter> Hey guys, was wondering if anyone
has any info on migrating rsa/dsa host keys from an old kernel
(2.4.X) to new kernel (4.9.X), works fine when kernels are similar,
but the old one is returning a different fingerprint despite
priv/pub being identical
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3111 [22:58:11] <Kobaz> and i'm in the middle of breaking
stuff
3112 [22:58:27] <wsky> deadrom: well lol
3113 [22:58:29] <somiaj> Kobaz: I sometimes just edit the script
in /var/lib/dpkg/info and add an exit 0 to the top if I don't
want to fix why it is failing
3114 [22:58:33] <Kobaz> right
3115 [22:58:36] <Kobaz> yeah i do that too
3116 [22:58:56] <somiaj> Kobaz: so you could dpkg --unpack (unpack
the package), add exit 0 to the top of the scripts, then dpkg
--configure
3117 [22:59:03] <deadrom> wsky: what I could do: pluck them one by
one, but I cannot stop the darn array
3118 [22:59:58] <somiaj> Kobaz: but in general one shouldn't
be skipping these scripts, so that to me is strong argument not to
include such an option.
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3120 [23:00:04] <wsky> look into mdadm documentation, i'm
99.99% certail there is a tool included that tell you which port has
a dead drive
3121 [23:00:11] <greycat> Kobaz: oh, so it's NOT that you
want to "skip this and that", before installing. You
*have* installed it. That makes it so much simpler. Just edit the
failing script in place on disk (exit 0 as pointed out) and dpkg
--configure the thing.
3122 [23:00:11] <Kobaz> yeah
3123 [23:00:13] <wsky> certain*
3124 [23:00:32] <Kobaz> well, in this case it's not installed
3125 [23:00:43] <Kobaz> and the pre init/etc gets extracted and
run every time
3126 [23:00:44] <greycat> You ran "apt-get foo" and it
put the files in place, yes?
3127 [23:00:48] <Kobaz> right
3128 [23:00:52] <somiaj> Kobaz: hence the unpack it first
suggestion
3129 [23:00:54] <greycat> So you can edit the script in situ.
3130 [23:00:56] <Kobaz> i have the .deb in cache
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3132 [23:00:59] <Kobaz> right
3133 [23:01:03] <Kobaz> unpack and configure
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3135 [23:01:29] <Kobaz> yeah there's some sort of other
script running
3136 [23:01:37] <Kobaz> Preparing to unpack
slapd_2.4.44+dfsg-5+deb9u1~bpo8+1_i386.deb ... Saving current slapd
configuration to /var/backups/slapd-2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u
3137 [23:01:44] <Kobaz> there's like a post-unpack script or
something?
3138 [23:02:02] <greycat> oh, we have a package name finally
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3140 [23:02:16] <greycat> and it's.. stretch
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3142 [23:02:31] <Kobaz> greycat: yeah sorry
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3144 [23:03:01] <Kobaz> okay well
3145 [23:03:04] <Kobaz> i made it easy on myself
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3147 [23:03:16] <Kobaz> i unbroke everything, put it back to
normal and whatever scripts wanted to run now ran
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3149 [23:03:24] <Kobaz> it's upgraded now, i can continue
breaking things
3150 [23:03:24] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3152 [23:03:38] <JordiGH> I'm about fed up with Firefox
crashing. What are my options to get a different Firefox version on
stable?
3153 [23:03:46] <Kobaz> i basically did return 0 on all of them,
and something was still running
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3156 [23:04:08] <somiaj> JordiGH: you can download the precompiled
binary from mozilla
3157 [23:04:14] <deadrom> wsky: found it. sdf is
"non-fresh"
3158 [23:04:24] <somiaj> JordiGH: put it in $HOME somewhere, it
runs just fine, it is mostly statically linked
3159 [23:04:33] <deadrom> took me ages. 3 arrays with mmixed ports
is too frigging much
3160 [23:04:39] <JordiGH> somiaj: Hmmm...
3161 [23:05:02] <JordiGH> Don't they bundle crapware with it?
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3163 [23:05:11] <somiaj> JordiGH: I think it can even update
itself in place if you want to keep up with the current firefox
version from mozilla. You could also download their -esr binary.
3164 [23:05:13] <greycat> or in /opt, because bloating your $HOME
with huge packages is weird
3165 [23:05:22] * deadrom needs to have better backups
3166 [23:05:28] <somiaj> JordiGH: I'm unsure what the
differences are, so I can't tell you what crapware they also
include.
3167 [23:05:47] <wsky> deadrom: cool beans
3168 [23:05:51] <JordiGH> Oh well, let's see. Desperate
times.
3169 [23:06:19] <somiaj> JordiGH: there are some firefox clones
that are supose to be nice without crapware you could try.
3170 [23:06:29] <somiaj> JordiGH: palemoon is one, though I
don't like the developers so I wouldn't use it myself.
3171 [23:06:48] <somiaj> JordiGH: you could also try icecat -- it
is supose to remove all the crapware and branding from firefox
3172 [23:07:00] <greycat> I have a copy of pale moon for a very
specific site that only works correctly with old firefox or with
Windows crap.
3173 [23:07:49] <JordiGH> ;_;
3174 [23:07:54] <JordiGH> What a dilemma, I don't know what
to do.
3175 [23:08:03] <JordiGH> I use the Debian version because I trust
Debian more than Mozilla.
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3177 [23:08:21] <annadane> there isn't really crapware in
debian AFAIK other than pocket which esr 60 in stable also has
3178 [23:08:21] <JordiGH> But the frequent crashes are getting
really annoying.
3179 [23:08:29] <JordiGH> And I seem to be the only Debian user
who is getting them.
3180 [23:08:31] <annadane> i can't use debian's firefox,
too many extensions don't work
3181 [23:08:39] <annadane> errr
3182 [23:08:42] <annadane> crapware in firefox*
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3184 [23:08:56] <JordiGH> annadane: Eh?
3185 [23:09:10] <annadane> what about that didn't you
understand?
3186 [23:09:19] <somiaj> JordiGH: have you tried a new profile or
new user with out any extensions?
3187 [23:09:30] <deadrom> mdadm: --re-add for /dev/sdf1 to
/dev/md1 is not possible <--- but why?
3188 [23:09:38] <somiaj> JordiGH: make sure it isn't
something in your $HOME or user profile causing problems?
3189 [23:09:45] <mason> deadrom: What's the actual error
message?
3190 [23:09:56] <deadrom> mason: that's all it says
3191 [23:10:01] <JordiGH> somiaj: That's no solution.
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3193 [23:10:17] <somiaj> JordiGH: but if you trust the gnu people,
icecat might work for you better than mozilla
3194 [23:10:21] <JordiGH> somiaj: I'm not gonna be browsing
with a crippled firefox for an indefinite amount of time just to
make sure the blame is on me and not on Firefox.
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3196 [23:10:44] <JordiGH> The crashing is unpredictable.
3197 [23:11:03] <somiaj> JordiGH: Yea, it is more a way to track
down why it is crashing for you, but that would be a pain to test if
it is rare and unpredictable.
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3199 [23:11:33] <JordiGH> A sample of the bug report:
replaced-url
3200 [23:11:57] <JordiGH> somiaj: That's not going to help
either. "It's my homedir". Great, what do I do with
that information?
3201 [23:12:16] <JordiGH> Also, there's no way to figure out
what a "good" status is by this method. Sometimes I can go
many hours without a crash.
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3204 [23:12:49] <somiaj> JordiGH: you can move the .mozilla, and
anyother stuff, start with a blank profile/configuration in the
$HOME dir, though this requires reconfiguring things.
3205 [23:13:30] <JordiGH> somiaj: Far more inconvenient than just
trying another Firefox. And there's no limit to the length of
time of each test. Nor even any guarantee that the crashing is
caused by my homedir.
3206 [23:13:45] <JordiGH> The number of tests is also huge. My
config is large.
3207 [23:13:50] <somiaj> A blank user is just easier to me than
tracking down all the files that get hidden in $HOME, but I think
~/.mozzila and ~/.cache/mozilla are the main ones.
3208 [23:13:57] <JordiGH> jordi@chloe:~$ du -hs .mozilla/
3209 [23:13:57] <JordiGH> 358M .mozilla/
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3211 [23:14:07] <JordiGH> Who knows which of those half billion
bytes is to blame.
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3213 [23:15:04] <JordiGH> The only thing I can tell you is that it
always seems to crash on keyboard input.
3214 [23:15:08] <JordiGH> I think.
3215 [23:15:15] <JordiGH> Well, I can also show you some crash
reports.
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3217 [23:15:41] <JordiGH> But the caveman method of "durr no
config" is not gonna lead any useful information.
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3219 [23:17:54] <deadrom> wsky, mason: --re-add only work if event
counter of the missing disk is close enough. if not (which at 28
events seems to be enough to throw it off) you need to run --add and
do a full recovery. which I'm doing now. on 7 year old disks.
wish me luck.
3220 [23:18:04] <deadrom> damn they need to go
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3227 [23:19:32] <wsky> that whole rebranding thing is sketchy and
worrysome
3228 [23:19:53] <wsky> sounds like you went all cheap-skate or got
riped off
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3239 [23:28:24] <mason> deadrom: Ah. :( Sorry to hear it.
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3245 [23:29:25] <deadrom> mason: well, so far the array assembles
with one missing disk and the data is intact, so fingers cross that
16TB SAS I'm eyeing is in the black friday rotation :D
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3247 [23:29:55] <wsky> well done raid
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3249 [23:30:49] <mason> deadrom: There's always ZFS.
3250 [23:31:29] <deadrom> mason: ah, ZFS... nah. needs tons of RAM
to perform and the gods knows what happens should the server crash
and lose the RAM content
3251 [23:31:47] <deadrom> UPS mandatory
3252 [23:32:00] <deadrom> well - -its good to have one anyway, yes
3253 [23:32:03] <Kobaz> haha
3254 [23:32:06] <Kobaz> yeah zfs hmm
3255 [23:32:10] <Kobaz> i've had some bad experiences
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3257 [23:32:22] <Kobaz> btrfs on the other hand has been
amazlorblating
3258 [23:32:35] <Kobaz> i've had data loss with zfs and never
with btrfs
3259 [23:32:40] <Kobaz> (raid-1 btrfs)
3260 [23:32:56] <mason> deadrom: You might have some
misconceptions about ZFS, but I won't try to sway you I guess.
3261 [23:33:15] <deadrom> mason: I gladly learn.
3262 [23:33:18] <Kobaz> i had literally the worse case possible
event happen... i was doing a zfs device migration from a smaller
drive to a larger drive and the machine crashed in the middle
3263 [23:33:32] <mason> Kobaz: Which ZFS was it?
3264 [23:33:49] <Kobaz> so after boot, it couln't use the
larger drive because the larger drive was actually bad (bad sectors)
and then the smaller drive was getting kicked out because the
metadata of the pool was already updated
3265 [23:34:05] <Kobaz> you can't go back in size with zfs
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3267 [23:34:15] <Kobaz> mason: whatever was in freebsd 8
3268 [23:34:20] <mason> Kobaz: That's odd in that you
can't change the shape.... ah
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3270 [23:34:30] <Kobaz> yeah going smaller is specifically NOT
supported in zfs
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3274 [23:34:57] <Kobaz> so what I did. was use dd, and a hex
editor to change the 6 copies of the zfs disk label and put the old
uuid back in the smaller drive
3275 [23:35:00] <mason> So, raidz1 or something and you swapped a
vdev, only it was bad?
3276 [23:35:01] <Kobaz> and then i got it to mount
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3278 [23:35:21] <mason> s/vdev/drive/
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3280 [23:35:28] <Kobaz> yeah raidz... i was swapping out a
physical device
3281 [23:35:49] <mason> You should have been able to just detach
that and re-attach the old one as a new disk.
3282 [23:35:50] <Kobaz> AND, there are ZERO zfs offline recovery
tools (as far as i know)
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3284 [23:36:03] <Kobaz> "zfs doesn't need recovery
tools, it has scrub!"
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3286 [23:36:24] <Kobaz> well what if your fscking pool
doesn't mount. the docs say: pool doesn't mount? destroy
the pool and restore from backup
3287 [23:36:29] <Kobaz> so, i'm done with zfs
3288 [23:36:31] <mason> hah
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3293 [23:36:48] <annadane> but the bsd people say zfs is the best
thing since sliced bread!
3294 [23:37:06] <mason> I make it a rule to only use raidz2 or
mirrors here - raidz1 is as enticing as raid5.
3295 [23:37:14] <mason> annadane: It is better than sliced bread.
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3298 [23:37:16] <annadane> (bsd licensed bread, you're free
to include your bread in proprietary applications)
3299 [23:37:17] <Kobaz> yeah
3300 [23:37:22] <Kobaz> and never change the size of your pool
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3303 [23:37:38] <mason> Kobaz: Well. It's easy enough to
stack mirrors. But yes, plan ahead.
3304 [23:37:40] <Kobaz> well you can add to it... but don't
upgrade in-place, that's dangerous
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3306 [23:38:03] <lupine> copyfarleft > copyleft < bsd/etc
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3308 [23:38:12] <Kobaz> where btrfs on the other hand has
waaaaaaaay more flexability for issues
3309 [23:38:23] <mason> lupine: Altruistic freedom vs freedom with
a stick!
3310 [23:38:50] <Kobaz> i MUCH prefer a system that might have
bugs, or even blatently states they have bugs, with ample recovery
tools, versus something that's supposed to be 'rock
solid' with no recovery tools
3311 [23:39:11] <annadane> what do you prefer?
3312 [23:39:14] <Kobaz> btrfs
3313 [23:39:15] <annadane> presumably not btrfs
3314 [23:39:17] <annadane> lol
3315 [23:39:19] <annadane> okay.
3316 [23:39:22] <annadane> fair enough
3317 [23:39:25] <Kobaz> heh
3318 [23:39:36] <lupine> mason: freedom for everyone except
capitalists is my preference
3319 [23:39:41] <mason> See, if you stuck with trashing ZFS you
could aspire to credibility, but to trust BtrFS... =cough= :)
3320 [23:39:45] <Kobaz> i use it in production all over the place
3321 [23:40:02] <lupine> I ran btrfs at PiB scale
3322 [23:40:07] <lupine> it's fine, if you ignore the fancy
features
3323 [23:40:13] <lupine> let the block layer handle block stuff
3324 [23:40:30] <ryouma> is it that reliable?!
3325 [23:40:32] <whislock> No.
3326 [23:40:37] <Kobaz> mason: i'm not trashing it
specifically, just telling some horror stories, and some reasons to
be cautious. it's not a one-size-fits-all solution
3327 [23:41:06] <mason> Kobaz: It requires some planning, and
I've seen bugs in both ZOL and FreeBSD around pool upgrades
recently, so sure.
3328 [23:41:15] <mason> I've never hit one, but they exist.
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3330 [23:41:23] <Kobaz> yeap
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3332 [23:41:36] <Kobaz> just like gcc... you need to be an extra
special user to hit a gcc bug
3333 [23:42:17] <annadane> bsd is super interesting and i'm
very interested by it all but i do like the creature comforts of
linux software
3334 [23:42:45] <Kobaz> yeap, same boat
3335 [23:43:04] <Kobaz> i see a new freebsd and i'm like woah
i need to get that and check it out... and then i do and i'm
like ugh i wish this was more like linux
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3337 [23:43:30] <mason> My next experiment will involve OmniOS.
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3340 [23:44:39] <Kobaz> mmm
3341 [23:44:42] <Kobaz> omni looks bsd-ish
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3343 [23:44:55] <Kobaz> oh it runs sunos
3344 [23:45:15] <Kobaz> so it's like new-school opensolaris
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3346 [23:45:30] <ryouma> sunos is bsd old school
3347 [23:45:36] <ryouma> solaris was sysv
3348 [23:45:51] <ryouma> (back when they changed the name)
3349 [23:46:08] <Kobaz> i tried opensolaris when it first came out
with zfs and i was all excited to use zfs because it didn't
exist in freebsd yet
3350 [23:46:18] <Kobaz> and i couldn't get my raid card
recognized, so that ended quickly
3351 [23:46:26] <mason> Illumos just picked up OpenZFS native
encryption, and that's big since Solaris doesn't stack
block layers.
3352 [23:46:42] <mason> Now I just wait for the OmniOS bootloader
to learn about it.
3353 [23:47:05] <mason> But I'm only mildly less off-topic
than if I were talking about grooming my dog, so I'll go read.
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3357 [23:48:14] <annadane> i'm very noob but linux to me
feels like the old adage "easy things easy, hard things
possible" and bsd is "must have extensive knowledge in
astrophysics before use"
3358 [23:48:30] <annadane> maybe openbsd less so but that comes
with its own caveats like not being able to use anything
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3360 [23:48:48] <Kobaz> annadane: meh, not really
3361 [23:48:52] <whislock> I guess I'm fortunate in that
I'm very familiar with BSD.
3362 [23:49:02] <Kobaz> annadane: bsd has 'the way'...
basically follow the handbook and you're good
3363 [23:49:11] <annadane> yeah, i know.
3364 [23:49:12] <Kobaz> if you like linux, that means you
don't like the handbook and you want to to it YOUR way
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3367 [23:49:25] <Kobaz> doing it YOUR way doesn't compute
with the bsd way
3368 [23:49:34] <Kobaz> just a thing to get used to
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3370 [23:50:43] <Kobaz> like it drove me insane to no end that
they still used CVS for ports, it was so slow... so things turn
around, it's much better now
3371 [23:51:17] <annadane> i don't mind reading but i do mind
when it's like hey, it doesn't even come with xorg by
default, you have to do everything manually
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3373 [23:51:27] <annadane> "just use trueos" yeah,
but...
3374 [23:51:47] <annadane> i'm kind of rambling
3375 [23:52:23] <Kobaz> freebsd does have a cool mascot
3376 [23:52:35] <annadane> secondary computer to tinker on? sure,
then i'll have fun with it, but i need to do my computing now
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3379 [23:54:39] <annadane> i can figure things out, i just
don't want my first experience with something unfamiliar to be
being stuck on the blinking command line of doom
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3381 [23:55:22] <annadane> with that being said there's a lot
of similarities that i can sort of struggle along, but there's
also things not present in bsd that i'd miss
3382 [23:55:50] <Kobaz> weird issue
3383 [23:55:56] <Kobaz> apt-get source openldap/jessie-backports
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3385 [23:56:05] <Kobaz> it downloaded 2.4.47+dfsg-3+deb10u1 which
is stretch-backports/main
3386 [23:56:16] <annadane> i think jessie backports was
discontinued
3387 [23:56:18] <Kobaz> apt-policy.... ***
2.4.44+dfsg-5+deb9u1~bpo8+1 0 100
replaced-url
3388 [23:56:21] <Kobaz> yeah it all is
3389 [23:56:30] <Kobaz> just wondering why apt-source got the
wrong thing
3390 [23:57:42] <bluejaypop> something weird is happening with my
openssl package, but I'm not sure if some package I installed
replaced the original package from debian, I did a openssl version
-a and I got this
replaced-url
3391 [23:57:48] <bluejaypop> someone had the same problem ?
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