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• 52[00:28:05] <awal1> channel '36', channel bandwidth '20', 802.11 mode 'a' is what I need for make device connecting trough the lowest bandwidth (maximum 54 mbps), right?
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• 54[00:29:09] <awal1> channel '36', channel bandwidth '20', 802.11 mode 'a' is what I need for make the devices connecting trough 5ghz network get the lowest bandwidth (maximum 54 mbps), right?
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• 68[00:40:57] <tomreyn> grantwu: this looks like a generic bug. i assume something in the script that runs on the webserver doesn't like the second dash in "jessy-backports-sloppy". all of the source packages seem to return http status 500: replaced-url
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• 72[00:43:56] <tomreyn> you could file a bug against it by picking the most suitable pseudo package at replaced-url
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• 74[00:44:41] <grantwu> tomreyn: Okay, thanks
• 75[00:45:06] <tomreyn> :)
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• 88[00:59:02] <ealfonso> perhaps not a debian issue, but my laptop running debian Stretch ocassionally freezes and chromium freezes, and I'm seeing this in the syslog: "[43296.833366] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_commit_cleanup_done [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:26:pipe A] flip_done timed out". What could be the problem?
• 89[00:59:02] <ealfonso>
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• 94[01:00:45] <ealfonso> I've posted more details in this superuser question: replaced-url
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• 96[01:03:04] <ealfonso> I'm able to work around the chromium freeze by passing these flags: --disable-gpu-vsync --disable-gpu
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• 99[01:05:35] <Brigo> ealfonso, graphic driver issues i would guess.
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• 101[01:05:49] <debron> hello all
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• 106[01:06:48] <debron> excuse me for this question, but i think i installed my OS for 32bit processor, and now i figure out that my processor can work at 64 bits. Can someone take a look at my processor info and confirm this to me please?
• 107[01:07:20] <immortal2> so i just noticed that theres amd64 and i386. i usually use unetbootin to make a bootable live usb without downloading the iso. would it determine the version to i386?
• 108[01:07:38] <immortal2> i have a amd chip so im thinking thats where my issues are coming from... wild guess lol
• 109[01:07:53] <debron> replaced-url
• 110[01:08:39] <debron> do that processor can work with a 64 bit OS?
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• 112[01:09:17] <immortal2> i had a 64 bit windows version :)
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• 114[01:09:31] <debron> sorry i mean my proccessor
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• 120[01:11:01] <immortal2> debron, i think your like 12 which says width 64 bits means u can run a 64 bit os
• 121[01:11:05] <immortal2> dont hold me to it
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• 123[01:11:24] <debron> yeah i saw that too, but i need to be sure and im not
• 124[01:11:35] <debron> i just asked in #hardware, seems less offtopic
• 125[01:11:57] <Tom-_> debron, i guess it's 4 bit
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• 128[01:12:05] <Tom-_> wikipedia says later P4s are 64 bit
• 129[01:12:06] <Brigo> immortal2, you can't use unetbootit with debian images.
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• 132[01:12:51] <debron> thanks
• 133[01:12:52] <immortal2> Brigo, you sure cause it has debian listed as well
• 134[01:12:53] <Brigo> debron, run the 64 bits installer or live, if it boot, it is 64 bits capable.
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• 136[01:13:07] <debron> is it possible to change my system without format?
• 137[01:13:15] <Brigo> immortal2, maybe now it is supported anyhow, not really sure.
• 138[01:13:27] <immortal2> always worth a try :)
• 139[01:13:31] <Brigo> debron, yes, but it is not easy.
• 140[01:13:33] <debron> Brigo: it supports 64 bits
• 141[01:13:36] <immortal2> this laptop has no cd/dvd lol
• 142[01:13:36] <debron> mmm
• 143[01:13:48] <debron> tell me the keywords please and ill look for a guide
• 144[01:13:51] <debron> and follow steps :P
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• 146[01:13:57] <Brigo> immortal2, you can copy it to the usb easely.
• 147[01:14:04] <immortal2> dvs, i like your isp :D
• 148[01:14:16] <Brigo> debron, i don't know any.
• 149[01:14:39] <Brigo> debron, you first have to isntall a 64 bits kernel and all the base system.
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• 151[01:15:29] <debron> Brigo: could you please help me to do this?
• 152[01:15:45] <debron> ill browse, and ask you before changing anything
• 153[01:15:48] <Brigo> debron, not really, i have to go to sleep soon.
• 154[01:15:50] <debron> if you say go i run
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• 156[01:15:58] <debron> aah ok
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• 159[01:16:22] <imm0rtal_> Brigo, do you know how i can make a live usb without unetbootin then?
• 160[01:16:22] <Brigo> debron, why not reinstall?
• 161[01:16:25] <debron> someone could do this favor to me?
• 162[01:16:44] <Brigo> imm0rtal_, not a live, an installer
• 163[01:16:48] <dvs> imm0rtal_, it gets me by. ;-)
• 164[01:16:50] <debron> mmm because all stuff... apache2, php, all packages again...
• 165[01:17:00] <debron> saving data and restore...
• 166[01:17:04] <debron> puff..
• 167[01:17:10] <imm0rtal_> dvs, i use teksavvy :D 150mb/s line ;)
• 168[01:17:22] <n4dir> imm0rtal_:
• 169[01:17:23] <imm0rtal_> Brigo, well im willing to try anything at this time lol
• 170[01:17:23] <Brigo> debron, you can backup the list of installed packages and install them later.
• 171[01:17:24] <debron> also, what happen with all packages i have installed in this system?
• 172[01:17:24] <n4dir> !usb install
• 173[01:17:25] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
• 174[01:17:39] <imm0rtal_> ty
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• 176[01:18:31] <debron> uhm... maybe i could try also a different flavor xDd
• 177[01:18:37] <debron> maybe i do that Brigo
• 178[01:18:42] <debron> looks more natural
• 179[01:18:59] <imm0rtal_> dang that looks complicated lol
• 180[01:19:07] <debron> xfce works fine in this computer, is any other worth try? maybe mate or lxde ?
• 181[01:19:40] <Brigo> debron, replaced-url
• 182[01:20:03] <Brigo> debron, i use mate, very happy.
• 183[01:20:05] <debron> imm0rtal_: is not that much i think! just have to set the boot priority in the bios, 1º the usb, 2º the harddrive, then prepare the usb with woeusb or some similar
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• 185[01:20:42] <debron> ok Brigo thanks
• 186[01:21:13] <n4dir> imm0rtal_: i mainly gave you the link if you use Windows, as the bot tells you which tool to use. On Linux (probably BSD too) you can simply use dd or cp.
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• 189[01:21:40] <n4dir> i do installations like a chicken: i just pick the enter key a few times.
• 190[01:21:46] <debron> Brigo:
• 191[01:21:52] <imm0rtal_> ya i was reading the whole thing lol
• 192[01:22:01] <debron> is it possible to reinstall leaving my Home directory untouched?
• 193[01:22:07] <imm0rtal_> im on ubuntu 17.10 now so i can just cp to the usb?
• 194[01:22:09] <debron> its all in the same partition so i think not
• 195[01:22:10] <imm0rtal_> and then reboot?\
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• 197[01:22:17] <n4dir> don't get me wrong: that is recommended , imm0rtal_ (but i always get away without reading ...)
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• 200[01:22:36] <Brigo> debron, yes, is it in the same partiton that the root directory?
• 201[01:22:43] <debron> yes
• 202[01:22:47] <debron> :(
• 203[01:23:00] <Brigo> your best way is make a backup.
• 204[01:23:07] <debron> Ok
• 205[01:23:10] <n4dir> imm0rtal_: as far i can tell, yes, it is that easy (i do use dd though like dd if=yada.iso of=/dev/sdb or such)
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• 208[01:23:31] <debron> then first ill prepare the usb stick, then copy to the same stick the backup
• 209[01:23:34] <debron> and reinstall
• 210[01:23:38] <Brigo> or cp, cp yada.iso /dev/sdb
• 211[01:23:47] <dvs> then sync
• 212[01:23:52] <imm0rtal_> ill hunt you down if it doesnt work lol
• 213[01:23:56] <imm0rtal_> jk
• 214[01:24:04] <Brigo> debron, carefull don't delete the backup.
• 215[01:24:15] <n4dir> thanks Brigo (i never did it with cp hence don't know, but thin it is kinda recommended to use cp these days)
• 216[01:24:28] <Brigo> imm0rtal_, it will work, just remember you'll lose all the data in the usb.
• 217[01:24:49] <Brigo> n4dir, yes, it's easier, but almost the same.
• 218[01:24:55] <imm0rtal_> the usb i use is just for linux iso ;)
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• 220[01:25:20] <Brigo> and i am going to sleep. good luck imm0rtal_ and debron. :)
• 221[01:25:30] <debron> thanks for all, good night !
• 222[01:25:46] <imm0rtal_> night, wont be doing this till a day off lol
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• 292[01:50:27] <debron> !usb
• 293[01:50:27] <dpkg> Universal Serial Bus (USB) is a technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial/communications and more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since version 2.6.31. replaced-url
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• 296[01:50:45] <debron> !usb install
• 297[01:50:45] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
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• 343[02:11:32] <notsafe> hi
• 344[02:11:46] <notsafe> whats a good screen recorder for debian
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• 369[02:28:37] <debron> hello guys, after copying the iso image to an unmounted usb stick, and running "sync" , i cannot write into the stick some backups i need before reinstall, because the FS is readonly
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• 372[02:29:29] <debron> maybe it is because i used "sudo sync" ? the usb was unmounted , thats why i did sudo'ed the command, did i wrong? how could i write into it now the files i need ?
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• 376[02:32:15] <debron> mount: /dev/sdb is write-protected, mounting read-only
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• 396[02:44:23] <debron> please can someone help me? creating a usb bootable stick i think i caused a mess...
• 397[02:45:04] <debron> its read-only and i cant create an extended partition to add some firmware to an debian installer usb
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• 399[02:45:53] <t3st3r> <debron> maybe it is because i used "sudo sync" ? <- sudo sync isn't harmful on its own...
• 400[02:45:56] <r_rios> Is it possible to install ppas from Ubuntu in Debian?
• 401[02:46:19] <r_rios> More specifically: replaced-url
• 402[02:46:38] <debron> t3st3r: maybe i should have done that with my own user account?
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• 406[02:47:31] <annadane> r_rios, no, not recommended
• 407[02:47:40] <annadane> !don't break debian
• 408[02:47:40] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is replaced-url
• 409[02:47:44] <t3st3r> debron> I think you have some other issue. Are you sure your stick is operational? Maybe it worn out?
• 410[02:48:20] <annadane> see also replaced-url
• 411[02:48:22] <t3st3r> r_rios> technically PPAs are deb repos, and it may or may not work, but overall it unsafe thing to try.
• 412[02:48:31] <debron> it was operation, but now its not
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• 414[02:49:10] <debron> since i used gparted to make an extended partition, now i cannot even mount the fs with the live CD on it
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• 417[02:50:08] <debron> Ill try from scratch, removing all partitions
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• 419[02:51:02] <r_rios> annadane, t3st3r: it seems the packages there are not even compatible with Debian's kernel, so nevermind
• 420[02:51:09] <r_rios> Thanks for the feedback
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• 422[02:51:48] <t3st3r> r_rios> they only care of ubuntu compatibility and only certain versions, obviously.
• 423[02:52:05] <debron> t3st3r: done, now its working and operational again
• 424[02:52:25] <debron> 1 partition of the whole usb capacity on fat32
• 425[02:52:36] <debron> clean of everything
• 426[02:53:01] <debron> i was following this documentation: replaced-url
• 427[02:53:17] <debron> but i failed on it, somehow
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• 430[02:53:57] <debron> my problem is that i need to use the same usb stick to save the ISO and put there some backups before installing my new system
• 431[02:53:59] <t3st3r> debron> hmm, interesting... btw keep in mind, .iso are inherently "read only" images.
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• 434[02:54:26] <t3st3r> so you want bootable iso on that stick + space for backups?
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• 436[02:54:36] <debron> yeah exactly
• 437[02:54:54] <t3st3r> damn, then it could be quite hard...
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• 440[02:55:18] <r_rios> t3st3r: Just to give some contexts, it seems I got unlucky in the purchase of a cheapo usb wifi adapter. The builtin kernel driver for it is kinda buggy, and the official driver made by the company never got into the kernel because of quality issues and is now outdated and unsupported
• 441[02:55:46] <t3st3r> these "iso" things are often fairly complicated "hybrid" images where CD-rom ISO, DOS partition and EFI co-exist, due to image created very special way.
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• 444[02:57:33] <r_rios> From what I've been seeing, I'll probably have to build the kernel module, install it by hand and rebuild it every time I update the kernel, which is bound to give me a lot of headaches, so I think I'll just give up and buy another one in the hopes that it works properly this time
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• 446[02:58:55] <webster_p> how do i install kde without installing all these darn applications
• 447[02:59:08] <r_rios> The really strange thing is that, sometimes the wifi adapter won't work at all, no matter how much I unplug it and plug it back -- making the kernel log look something like this: replaced-url
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• 449[02:59:55] <r_rios> The "solution" I found was: 1. Reboot into Windows; 2. Wait for the adapter to be recognized by Windows; 3. Reboot into Debian and then everything is fine and dandy
• 450[02:59:57] <t3st3r> debron> somehow this particular trick never worked for me reasonably.
• 451[03:00:10] <themill> dpkg: tell webster_p about install kde
• 452[03:00:19] <t3st3r> r_rios> sounds like if it failed to upload firmware or something like that.
• 453[03:00:45] <t3st3r> Or maybe kernel faced some error. Dmesg could give insight on what's going on..
• 454[03:01:39] <r_rios> t3st3r: That's the dmesg output
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• 456[03:01:55] <webster_p> thanks themill
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• 458[03:02:08] <t3st3r> r_rios> one moment..
• 459[03:02:20] <debron> t3st3r: ill try making fat32 extended partition at the end of the device
• 460[03:02:28] <debron> then leave the rest unallocated
• 461[03:02:30] <debron> unmount
• 462[03:02:37] <debron> and cp the iso and sync
• 463[03:02:44] <debron> lets see what happen
• 464[03:04:09] <t3st3r> r_rios> driver gives suspicious message about unsupported eeprom version and seems to fail to init device properly.
• 465[03:04:10] <webster_p> dpkg: tell webster_p about install gnome
• 466[03:04:23] <dvs> debron, the partition you created will disappear
• 467[03:04:33] <debron> damn
• 468[03:04:40] <debron> dvs: know a way to do this?
• 469[03:04:46] <t3st3r> in your shoes I would give a try to most recent mainline kernel or so. This device seems to be quite new.
• 470[03:05:04] <dvs> debron, what are you trying to copy onto the USB?
• 471[03:05:24] <debron> just realtek firmware, and my repository, and my keys
• 472[03:06:10] <debron> realtek firmware is a must, to have internet access after reinstall
• 473[03:06:17] <debron> and get everything by apt-get
• 474[03:06:26] <debron> otherwise my wifi adapter wont work
• 475[03:06:37] <dvs> debron, you can get an iso with the firmware already on it but you won't be able to get your keys and repo on it.
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• 477[03:06:56] <debron> keys and repo doesnt matter, i can upload to my email account
• 478[03:06:59] <debron> and access to it later
• 479[03:07:11] <dvs> !tell debron about firmware iso
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• 481[03:07:48] <debron> dvs: but the firmware i need is very specific
• 482[03:08:08] <debron> firmware-realtek_20161130-3_all.deb
• 483[03:08:23] <debron> it was to be that package, otherwise it wont work
• 484[03:08:44] <debron> its an usb wireless card >.<
• 485[03:08:44] <dvs> debron, that's a deb package. What file do you need from it?
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• 487[03:09:00] <debron> mmm!! not sure
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• 489[03:09:13] <dvs> Then try the firmware iso
• 490[03:09:22] <debron> can i try live?
• 491[03:09:57] <dvs> debron, sure you can try live but it's not advised to do an install from a live iso
• 492[03:10:23] <debron> no but, in the live session can it detect my wireless card?
• 493[03:11:07] <dvs> the nonfree live should
• 494[03:11:50] <debron> cant find the live iso
• 495[03:11:52] <debron> sec
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• 497[03:12:55] <debron> firmware-realtek 20161130-3
• 498[03:13:08] <debron> i think it has what i need
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• 501[03:14:00] <r_rios> t3st3r: So, I should try the backports kernel?
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• 503[03:14:40] <t3st3r> r_rios> I guess it could be worth of trying to see if that helps.
• 504[03:14:42] <r_rios> debron: Are we talking about the same device?
• 505[03:14:47] <dvs> debron, that's on the nonfree ISO
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• 509[03:15:47] <r_rios> t3st3r: I'll get a live CD from a distro with a more recent kernel, but it bugs me that booting into Windows and then back into Debian seems to solve the problem
• 510[03:16:12] <t3st3r> r_rios> then maybe windows uploads different firmware...
• 511[03:16:32] <t3st3r> so maybe you want more recent firmware version or so
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• 517[03:18:48] <t3st3r> so in your shoes I would try recent kernel 1st and take a look if there is newer firmware, if that alone isnt enough.
• 518[03:18:50] <debron> r_rios: im talking about a TP-Link TL-WN722N
• 519[03:18:50] <immortal2> hey so im gonna download my iso now to do the usb stick... can i do the live cd version or does it matter since its gonna be an installer?
• 520[03:19:34] <dvs> immortal2, the nonlive one is better for installing.
• 521[03:19:41] <immortal2> k
• 522[03:20:09] <debron> dvs: a live cd cant be run as installer without launching the live system?
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• 524[03:20:30] <debron> what could happen if i install with a live cd? it could go wrong?
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• 526[03:20:51] <dvs> debron, the live cd is not near as good as an installer as the normal cd
• 527[03:21:07] <immortal2> dvs, which one do i need to grab... i clicked dvd i just want one disc lol
• 528[03:21:33] <debron> immortal2 what is your cpu arquitecture?
• 529[03:21:41] <immortal2> amd
• 530[03:21:46] <immortal2> i think i need this link replaced-url
• 531[03:21:58] <debron> thats ok
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• 533[03:22:08] <debron> for the stretch
• 534[03:22:32] <dvs> immortal2, the netinst would be the best choice.
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• 536[03:22:57] <immortal2> okay
• 537[03:23:08] <immortal2> and during install it will let me connect to wifi?
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• 539[03:23:35] <debron> depends on the wifi device you have
• 540[03:23:37] <dvs> unless you have a completely foreign wifi, yes
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• 542[03:23:59] <immortal2> if all else fails ill steal a ethernet from my magbox lol
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• 545[03:24:25] <r_rios> t3st3r: Let's see if Debian testing helps
• 546[03:24:26] <immortal2> do you have that link again for making a usb?\
• 547[03:24:34] <r_rios> Thanks a lot for the assistance
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• 550[03:25:34] <dvs> immortal2, replaced-url
• 551[03:26:04] <debron> dvs: why do you say that is not a good installer? could you be moire specific please?
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• 553[03:26:22] <debron> more*
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• 556[03:26:51] <dvs> debron, the live cd has a more less success rate for doing an install. I've seen it here so many times.
• 557[03:27:15] <debron> puff xD
• 558[03:27:41] <debron> well, at worst case i have the 32 bits cd install around, just in case
• 559[03:27:56] <dvs> debron, installs that did not work with the live cd often worked with the normal install cd
• 560[03:28:33] <debron> my problem is that this 32 bits install image doesnt include my wiffi card firmware
• 561[03:28:45] <debron> so i really hope everything goes fine with the live cd
• 562[03:29:04] <dvs> debron, why are you using the 32-bit installer?
• 563[03:29:13] <debron> i got mistaken
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• 565[03:29:18] <debron> since its a 2005 processor
• 566[03:29:23] <dvs> oh ok.
• 567[03:29:25] <debron> Pentium 4
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• 569[03:29:31] <debron> i though it was 32 bits only
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• 571[03:29:56] <debron> now i have to reinstall >.<
• 572[03:30:02] <debron> after more than 1 week using it
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• 576[03:31:44] <debron> dvs: you think this computer, 2gb ram, P4 3000 mhz, 8MB graphic card integrated, MATE will go as ok as xfce?
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• 578[03:32:33] <immortal2> wish me luck brb
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• 580[03:32:39] <debron> good luck inaki
• 581[03:32:58] <debron> sorry inak... i , missed
• 582[03:33:49] <dvs> debron, I've never used MATE
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• 588[03:36:43] <immortal2> doesnt see it as a bootable drive :(
• 589[03:36:52] <t3st3r> debron I think XFCE would do, it isn't picky.
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• 591[03:37:04] <t3st3r> nor it resource hog or something
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• 593[03:37:14] <debron> yeah it does
• 594[03:37:19] <debron> i run xfce now
• 595[03:37:28] <debron> it goes really good
• 596[03:37:33] <debron> wanted to try mate
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• 598[03:37:38] <dvs> immortal2, maybe that computer is from the time before bootable USB drives.
• 599[03:37:47] <t3st3r> ahh, well, not sure, feel free to try
• 600[03:37:52] <debron> :)
• 601[03:38:00] <immortal2> this laptop was made in 2017
• 602[03:38:28] <debron> mine is from 2005 and allow to boot from usb
• 603[03:38:39] <dvs> oops sorry
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• 606[03:39:07] <dvs> immortal2, what commands did you use to copy it to the USB?
• 607[03:39:19] <immortal2> the cp
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• 609[03:39:29] <debron> did you sync?
• 610[03:39:33] <immortal2> and then sync yes
• 611[03:39:35] <debron> was it unmounted?
• 612[03:39:38] <dvs> immortal2, the command EXACTLY
• 613[03:39:39] <mrx3mbf-c0l1> hello
• 614[03:39:53] <mrx3mbf-c0l1> i'm is newbie in debian. please help me
• 615[03:40:07] <immortal2> sudo cp debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb1
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• 617[03:40:08] <dvs> !tell mrx3mbf-c0l1 about ask
• 618[03:40:10] <immortal2> then sync
• 619[03:40:14] <dvs> immortal2, wrong
• 620[03:40:15] <debron> immortal2:
• 621[03:40:20] <dvs> /deb/sdb
• 622[03:40:21] <debron> wrong :D
• 623[03:40:29] <immortal2> you sure?
• 624[03:40:46] <immortal2> shows sdb1
• 625[03:40:50] <debron> yeah, you have to unmount it previously
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• 627[03:40:58] <dvs> immortal2, look at the web page again
• 628[03:40:58] <immortal2> how do i do that?\
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• 631[03:41:45] <debron> you could do it even through the X, right click unmount
• 632[03:42:46] <debron> or unmount /dev/sdb1
• 633[03:42:57] <debron> i may be wrong
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• 635[03:43:21] <immortal2> well there was a starup disk creator i tried that so brb
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• 637[03:43:48] <dvs> that's even worse.
• 638[03:43:53] <debron> xDD
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• 640[03:45:06] <debron> we love beeing noobs
• 641[03:45:23] <debron> being*
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• 643[03:46:20] <debron> ok dvs my usb drive is ready with the nonfree image, wish me luck
• 644[03:46:26] <debron> thanks for all the help
• 645[03:46:35] <dvs> luck!
• 646[03:46:51] <dvs> as least one newbie listens!
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• 671[04:00:52] <annadane> hmm, is there a way to see what default groups a new user gets added to?
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• 680[04:04:32] <immortal2> so it doesnt see my trackpad nor my wireless but its still installing packages
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• 682[04:04:58] <dvs> how can it not see your wifi and install packages? ethernet?
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• 685[04:05:24] <immortal2> ya i wired it up :)
• 686[04:05:46] <immortal2> using my netbook right now to chat lol so excuse my typos if they happen
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• 689[04:06:42] <immortal2> think my wireless is athos
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• 693[04:10:01] <dvs> immortal2, if you are using the nonfree ISO then my other other suggestion is to use a backported kernel and firmware once the install is finished.
• 694[04:10:24] <immortal2> idk which one i grabbed lol
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• 704[04:16:01] <t3st3r> annadane> most straightforward would be add user and look to /etc/gshadow to see where it got added. Defaults are probably in /etc/default/useradd if you use it.
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• 722[04:22:39] <awal1> my wifi dongle is detected as 'wlxc83a35cc0377'. That is a systemd thing , incorporating interface mac adress , eh?
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• 726[04:23:20] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 729[04:25:12] <awal1> systemd predictable network nterface names thing applies to removable devices?
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• 732[04:26:45] <t3st3r> awal1> its udev thing.. but ok, udev is now formally part of systemd.
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• 734[04:27:37] <t3st3r> and somehow out of all predictable names, usb names are most lamest ones... since typing whole flippin' MAC isn't fun at all :)
• 735[04:28:03] <awal1> t3st3r, that is my problem yeah
• 736[04:28:29] <t3st3r> but you can write udev rule and name thing the way you want, for example
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• 741[04:30:42] <awal1> when next reboot I'll check what result I get editing grub and adding "net.ifnames=0" on the cmdline
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• 744[04:33:11] <t3st3r> That should disable the thing I guess.
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• 747[04:33:42] <immortal2> tis about half way done and i need to head to bed in like 30mins lol
• 748[04:33:47] <immortal2> 4am coomes early
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• 752[04:34:19] <awal1> t3st3r, according to freedesktop link, yeah
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• 756[04:35:14] <awal1> so systemd is like irreversible now
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• 758[04:35:33] <awal1> openrc forgotten?
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• 766[04:41:22] <awal1> well, the majority of dd's / dm's have favored systemd; I guess it is more suitable right now, so
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• 780[04:49:24] <t3st3r> awal1> well, speaking for myself I generally like systemd. It isn't without own odds, sure. But it allows advanced setups easily.
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• 783[04:51:40] <awal1> t3st3r, true, it allows advanced stuff easily but it is like one have to forget habits and learn a lot of new stuff but not sure if it is really better what systemd brings newly
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• 790[04:58:42] <t3st3r> awal1> I guess one can omit most parts if being lazy, sysv compat is here.
• 791[04:59:07] * TomTheDragon is being tempted to other distros with systemd
• 792[04:59:11] <t3st3r> and when I look on things like /lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service - hell, that's how networked service is really meant to be.
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• 796[05:01:18] <t3st3r> of course we can pretend its 20 years back and chroot() is the thing. But it isn't a case.
• 797[05:01:55] <awal1> my sid is bloated by systemd unit services
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• 799[05:02:24] <awal1> soon I 'll get a leafpad.service maybe
• 800[05:02:37] <t3st3r> bloated is an interesting notion. My minimal debootstrapped system is mostly bloated by... perl :)
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• 802[05:02:50] <awal1> :D
• 803[05:03:16] <t3st3r> that's by merely looking on overall size of files, etc
• 804[05:05:07] <t3st3r> and systemctl at least allows me to understand what goes on and where that thing comes from. Hard to say the same about sysv-like things.
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• 808[05:06:15] <annadane> !start an editor war
• 809[05:06:15] <dpkg> edlin doesn't deserve to be in BSD.
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• 811[05:06:38] <t3st3r> :D
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• 855[05:32:21] <awal1> echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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• 858[05:33:32] <annadane> mv awal1 > /dev/null
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• 860[05:34:08] <awal1> annadane you funny :D
• 861[05:34:25] <awal1> i sometimes confuse my term tabs
• 862[05:35:13] <annadane> actually i'm not sure mv even works with >
• 863[05:35:15] <annadane> silly me
• 864[05:40:49] <awal1> no, as i know
• 865[05:41:34] <awal1> > operator redirects stuff
• 866[05:42:07] <awal1> well, not sure 100%
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• 869[05:44:16] <awal1> is Bartosz Fenski around here?
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• 992[07:29:42] <xdruppi> is it bad that i want to use a "newer" system?, i dislike the stable in debian stable, but i dont want to switch to unstable
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• 997[07:31:51] <alkisg> xdruppi: Ubuntu is mostly based in Debian testing, if you prefer newer software and the instability that comes with it, you could use that.
• 998[07:31:56] <annadane> it's not bad. there are truly rolling distributions like arch
• 999[07:32:18] <xdruppi> i dont want to use ubuntu because it's a fork, and forks feel really messy to me
• 1000[07:32:23] <annadane> you _can_ get some newer software in stable, replaced-url
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• 1004[07:35:28] <parteo> hello, what is the correct command to run fsck on a partition? I found different ones, so could not know which one to be right
• 1005[07:36:02] <t3st3r> xdruppi> so you can try backports. Or testing. Depends on how much breakage vs new cool stuff you want :D
• 1006[07:36:44] <parteo> fsck or e2fsck? simply 'fsck -y /dev/sda1' or 'sudo e2fsck -C0 -p -f -v /dev/sda1' ?
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• 1008[07:37:32] <aci> Don't run fsck on a mounted partition
• 1009[07:37:35] <annadane> xdruppi, but yeah it depends on _what_ you're looking for
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• 1011[07:38:37] <t3st3r> parteo> generally fsck /dev/sda1 would do the trick (assuming you want to check sda1 partition). This needs root. Sudo is one of popular ways to get root rights.
• 1012[07:39:29] <parteo> t3st3r, without -y parameter?
• 1013[07:39:31] <t3st3r> its okay to get root by other means as well, so it depends if you need or want "sudo" part.
• 1014[07:40:25] <t3st3r> if you run with -y it would auto-fix things, and it may not be what you want.
• 1015[07:40:52] <t3st3r> At least it wise to see what it wants to do before blindly telling yes to it.
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• 1017[07:41:38] <t3st3r> e2fsck is specific to EXT2/3/4 filesystems. Maybe you have one, in this case it is ok to call that one directly.
• 1018[07:41:42] <parteo> if I want it to fix, is it ok to run -y in a second run?
• 1019[07:42:01] <parteo> and I think I'd want it to fix
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• 1023[07:43:46] <t3st3r> if that filesystem is faulty to degree you want to run fsck manually, it makes sense to look what problem is before trying to fix that, no?
• 1024[07:44:31] <parteo> t3st3r, sure, I just wanted to make sure I could run it later to fix errors
• 1025[07:45:07] <parteo> so 'e2fsck /dev/sda1' is correct?
• 1026[07:45:21] <t3st3r> you can run it "any time", but running on mounted filesystem is bad idea generally.
• 1027[07:46:25] <parteo> oh yes, I will unmount first.
• 1028[07:46:39] <parteo> 'e2fsck /dev/sda1' is correct, then?
• 1029[07:46:59] <t3st3r> parteo> so 'e2fsck /dev/sda1' is correct? <- if you've got root and its EXT2/3/4.
• 1030[07:47:12] <t3st3r> and if /dev/sda1 is what you want to check ofc
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• 1047[07:58:49] <parteo> t3st3r, sure, I understan
• 1048[07:58:51] <parteo> d
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• 1063[08:07:49] <Hackapepper> Hello, anonscm.debian.org is down. Is it normal? Is there any mirror? Thank you :)
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• 1067[08:08:30] <parteo> t3st3r, my problem relates to also another error that I cant display a folder's contents, getting an error that the file name is too long. is there a workaround to this?
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• 1094[08:17:02] <parteo> t3st3r, should all partitions be unmounted, or just the one I want to run fsck on?
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• 1099[08:18:21] <t3st3r> the one you want to check
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• 1108[08:21:04] <Hackapepper> No one knows about replaced-url
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• 1130[08:31:11] <parteo> ah, thank you
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• 1136[08:37:55] <parteo> t3st3r, thank you so much! e2fsck worked great
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• 1174[09:01:45] <parteo> can you please help me know how to sort the lines in a file that contain multiples of a number? I suppose the magic family of grep-awk-sed can have something for this
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• 1177[09:03:33] <alkisg> parteo: example of the file contents and desired output? One command would be `cat file | sort -n`, that does numerical sorting
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• 1179[09:03:55] <parteo> sure, alkisg, coming in a minute
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• 1184[09:05:19] <parteo> alkisg, I am trying to find out true positives in a dump of LUKS headers, and it is a LONG list. so I'd like to sort out the multiples of 512 among them, like this; replaced-url
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• 1189[09:06:18] <parteo> finding the multiples would reduce the list considerably
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• 1257[09:53:09] <shtrb|laptop> !cloud
• 1258[09:53:09] <dpkg> Cloud computing is more than just virtual servers, a workable definition from NIST is: Cloud computing is a model for enabling ubiquitous, convenient, on-demand network access to a shared pool of configurable computing resources (e.g., networks, servers, storage, applications and services) that can be rapidly provisioned and released with minimal management effort or service provider interaction. replaced-url
• 1259[09:53:13] <shtrb|laptop> !cli
• 1260[09:53:13] <dpkg> [cli] Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around. See replaced-url
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• 1262[09:54:40] <shtrb|laptop> Does anyone have a suggestion for a Debian-freindly (as in the tools already in stable and up) for a cloud service ? I'm thinking about ditching Google Drive because of lack of support for command line tools
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• 1265[09:55:16] <brimonk> Is there some magic way to just "fix" all of my package problems? (Other than reinstalling, I guess).
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• 1267[09:55:40] <shtrb|laptop> there is a fix option in apt
• 1268[09:55:47] <shtrb|laptop> --fix-missing
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• 1270[09:56:11] <brimonk> "apt-get install --fix-missing"?
• 1271[09:56:23] <shtrb|laptop> brimonk, you also have reinstall option (but I do not know what is your goal)
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• 1274[09:57:05] <brimonk> I'm trying to install cuda from the nvidia repos, but it seems that I had package conflicts before I even started.
• 1275[09:57:31] <shtrb|laptop> brimonk, There were some cuda related packages in stable
• 1276[09:57:35] <shtrb|laptop> !cuda
• 1277[09:57:36] <dpkg> Compute Unified Device Architecture (CUDA) is a programming framework by Nvidia, allowing for parallel general purpose computation. CUDA works with all Nvidia GPUs from the G8x series onwards. replaced-url
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• 1279[09:57:58] <shtrb|laptop> strange, I thought there was a package for that
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• 1284[10:01:09] <brimonk> I have a feeling that if I just uninstall the nvidia drivers from debian, and then retry installing the cuda package (and the respective driver) I should be in an okay place. Thoughts?
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• 1288[10:02:50] <shtrb|laptop> Don't know, last time I touched cuda was few years ago to build a package that did not work in the end ...
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• 1304[10:10:56] <beak_> Hi, I did a recent install of debian with nomodeset, but now I can't boot. How do I get to command line long enough to do an update?
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• 1306[10:13:06] <beak_> I can edit grub, what kind of paramters can I pass
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• 1318[10:21:27] <alkisg> beak_: in grub, advanced options => recovery mode, doesn't that give you a command line?
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• 1321[10:22:18] <shtrb|laptop> beak_, if you get to the prompt (but not full boot) you need to enter the root password
• 1322[10:22:45] <beak_> alkisg, No, not even that completes
• 1323[10:23:08] <beak_> shtrb|laptop, No, I don't get that far
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• 1325[10:23:20] <beak_> I suspect it is my graphics card getting in the way
• 1326[10:23:33] <alkisg> beak_: and what is the error message when you try recovery console?
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• 1329[10:23:49] <beak_> What parameters can I pass at boot prompt, I just have the grub prompt to play with
• 1330[10:23:55] <shtrb|laptop> beak_ , do you see the grub menu at least ?
• 1331[10:24:00] <beak_> yes
• 1332[10:24:06] <alkisg> (11:23:32 πμ) alkisg: beak_: and what is the error message when you try recovery console?
• 1333[10:24:22] <beak_> What should I type at grub to get to boot to command line?
• 1334[10:24:39] <beak_> There is no error message, it just stalls during boot sequence
• 1335[10:25:15] <shtrb|laptop> you can pass single to boot (and drop the splash option)
• 1336[10:25:29] <beak_> okay, what do I type?
• 1337[10:25:41] <alkisg> shtrb|laptop: that's what recovery does, it passes single without splash
• 1338[10:25:49] <beak_> I have grub>
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• 1340[10:26:07] <beak_> No, I said that not even recovery mode gets me to the prompt
• 1341[10:26:10] <shtrb|laptop> alkisg, I think he doesn't have the grub menu but grub recovery mode
• 1342[10:26:20] <alkisg> beak_: after you press enter in grub > recovery, does it say "loading kernel", does it start showing seconds etc?
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• 1344[10:26:37] <alkisg> shtrb|laptop: but he said he selected recovery and "stalled there"
• 1345[10:27:10] <beak_> I get the boot menu and I can edit the boot menu, that is all I have control of
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• 1347[10:27:46] <alkisg> beak_: do you *see* the advanced options for debian gnu/linux menu option in grub?
• 1348[10:27:59] <beak_> alkisg, been there done that
• 1349[10:28:01] <towo^work> beak_, then where is the problem?
• 1350[10:28:21] <alkisg> beak_: ok, but you're not answering: (11:26:19 πμ) alkisg: beak_: after you press enter in grub > recovery, does it say "loading kernel", does it start showing seconds etc?
• 1351[10:28:22] <towo^work> add nomodeset to the cmdline of the kernel
• 1352[10:29:16] <beak_> error: can't find command nomodeset
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• 1354[10:29:31] <beak_> grub>
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• 1356[10:30:14] <shtrb|laptop> do you realy see "grub>" on the screen ?
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• 1359[10:30:58] <alkisg> Maybe he pressed "c" to get a console, which we didn't tell him to do...
• 1360[10:31:23] <beak_> Well, my options are sort of limited
• 1361[10:31:28] <towo^work> beak_, hit e instead c for console
• 1362[10:31:36] <beak_> Either I boot into a brick wall or I go to console
• 1363[10:31:43] <beak_> That is my choice
• 1364[10:31:45] <shtrb|laptop> beak_, if you didn't click anything and got it - maybe your FS had changed
• 1365[10:32:10] <shtrb|laptop> beak ,you have an option to add args (using 'e') or choosing advanced recovery mode
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• 1367[10:33:05] <beak_> Okay, so I switch from quite to text and then what?
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• 1370[10:33:11] <beak_> quiet to text
• 1371[10:33:30] <towo^work> no
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• 1373[10:33:34] <towo^work> add nomodeset there
• 1374[10:33:46] <towo^work> you don't need to change quiet to test
• 1375[10:33:47] <beak_> on which line, linux?
• 1376[10:33:55] <towo^work> where else?
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• 1378[10:34:26] <beak_> and then what?
• 1379[10:34:39] <beak_> f10?
• 1380[10:34:42] <towo^work> ctrl + x
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• 1384[10:36:04] <beak_> ugh, it's just hanging at booting the kernel and then sb@ clean
• 1385[10:36:18] <beak_> i'll go brush my teeth
• 1386[10:36:18] <shtrb|laptop> what is sb@ ?
• 1387[10:36:29] <beak_> that's what it says
• 1388[10:36:42] <Ticho_> perhaps the early kernel output is either suppressed or goes somewhere else than /dev/tty0 ?
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• 1391[10:37:46] <beak_> well, thanks for helping...if the machine won't cooperate, best for me to go to bed
• 1392[10:38:19] <beak_> i thought if i could get to command line and run an update I'd be okay
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• 1394[10:38:33] <beak_> this is too deep for me
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• 1401[10:42:58] <jolt> Hello gurus! I was looking into Kernel Livepatching and found services for Ubuntu/suse and others like Cloudlinux. Is there someone who knows about a service like that for debian?
• 1402[10:43:01] <parteo> I solved it with this; replaced-url
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• 1411[10:48:44] <brimonk> Alright, now my audio flat out doesn't work.
• 1412[10:48:49] <brimonk> And I don't know what to do.
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• 1415[10:50:12] <brimonk> Really, it's closer to, media flat out just doesn't play.
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• 1433[11:00:08] <versuchsanstalt> How can I find out which TLS version an SMTP server is using?
• 1434[11:00:31] <versuchsanstalt> a postfix installation that is
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• 1468[11:12:11] <Dagger> `openssl s_client -connect host:port`. add `-starttls smtp` for STARTTLS
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• 1470[11:12:29] <Dagger> just bear in mind `openssl s_client` is IPv4 only
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• 1474[11:13:24] <jelly> versuchsanstalt: or for more details, nmap --script +ssl-enum-ciphers -p25 your.server
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• 1482[11:14:06] <jelly> nmap seems to guess right whether it needs to STARTTLS
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• 1484[11:14:36] <Dagger> wireshark can also show details of any negotiation it captures
• 1485[11:16:22] <Unit193> I'm personally a bit fond of testssl.sh. >_>
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• 1493[11:21:02] <jelly> looks like postfix in wheezy only does TLS1.0
• 1494[11:21:20] <jelly> oh well, that machine probably deserves a reinstall
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• 1517[11:33:27] <inook> anyone thaats got knowledge bbout samba sharing between 2 linux systems????
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• 1519[11:34:19] <shtrb|laptop> !ask
• 1520[11:34:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1526[11:36:16] <cef> Now that Alioth has gone, does anyone know where the pkg-llvm-team list is going to/gone?
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• 1541[11:43:06] <stemid> hey after an upgrade from wheezy to jessie and then stretch I have some perl modules causing trouble. seems that /usr/local/share/perl/5.24.1/VMware/VIM2Runtime.pm is taking precedence over /usr/share/perl/5.24.1/VMware/VIM2Runtime.pm, which is much more recent. is it safe to delete the /usr/local/shre/perl dirs?
• 1542[11:43:56] <stemid> or I could just delete the vsphere sdk from there I guess.
• 1543[11:44:34] <stemid> yup that worked and less invasive.
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• 1571[12:00:58] <bolt> stemid: what's in usr/local is your business
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• 1574[12:01:44] <Alina-malina> is there a mssql database engine for debian? to load the backup into it and call queries like in mysql?
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• 1577[12:02:10] <stemid> bolt: yeah thanks. might be cpan modules that I installed outside of dpkg. and of course the old vsphere sdk installed manually.
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• 1582[12:03:24] <FinalX> Alina-malina: "engine" would probably be a driver for programming languages, there's a python-mssql for example. For official clients you'll have to look to Microsoft. They do release a lot of their software in Debian repositories nowadays for their Azure clusters.
• 1583[12:03:59] <Alina-malina> FinalX, i have a database in mssql format, i just need to open it, any program u recommend?
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• 1586[12:04:21] <FinalX> See replaced-url
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• 1589[12:04:51] <FinalX> MSSQL is propriety, closed source software of Microsoft, so your best bet is their own clients. I don't use it.
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• 1591[12:05:11] <FinalX> But, other than that, like I said, try something like python-mssql.
• 1592[12:05:18] <Alina-malina> oh ok thanks FinalX its just complicated for me, i just need to install the thing either win or linux, so i am confused, too much documentation involved
• 1593[12:05:58] <FinalX> Well, Microsoft SQL Server exists for Ubuntu, but you'll need Microsoft's own packages, not maintained by Debian/Ubuntu maintainers.. so we can't really comment or support them either
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• 1595[12:06:35] <FinalX> People also only have things like NTFS under Linux because of reverse-engineering.
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• 1597[12:06:38] <shtrb|laptop> There is an MS based debian repository for MSSQL
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• 1599[12:07:02] <FinalX> shtrb|laptop: According to Microsoft, only officially for Ubuntu.
• 1600[12:07:11] <FinalX> But like I said, will probably work under Debian, too.
• 1601[12:07:23] <shtrb|laptop> but the tools had not been shipped to the repository (but have been for ubuntu and others) there are some tools for MSSQL in the debian repo
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• 1603[12:07:37] <FinalX> ah
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• 1605[12:08:30] <shtrb|laptop> But the version have an "NDA" and had a 3 month limit for some time
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• 1607[12:09:25] <shtrb|laptop> FinalX, replaced-url
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• 1610[12:10:28] <shtrb|laptop> Alina-malina, you can use freetds to access a live installation , if you are migrating data there are some options
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• 1612[12:10:50] <FinalX> shtrb|laptop: ah.
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• 1614[12:11:06] <FinalX> shtrb|laptop: They're not advertised on the links I gave though, and the second one was of last month
• 1615[12:11:11] <Alina-malina> shtrb|laptop, i have existing database that i need to load somehow
• 1616[12:11:13] <shtrb|laptop> Just to load a FULL backup you can use the MSSQL if it is the same version,if you wish to extract the tape device there are some options
• 1617[12:11:16] <bolt> Alina-malina: if you look around a bit, there's probably a docker container that does all the heavy lifting for you
• 1618[12:11:43] <cef> Alina-malina: other issue is how big is the backup? most free versions of mssql (at least on Windows) have a 10G limit on DB size. usually that's fine for many things but if you've got a really large dataset, it could be an issue.
• 1619[12:11:49] <shtrb|laptop> you can also just use the MSSQL docker (windows)
• 1620[12:11:59] <Alina-malina> oh
• 1621[12:12:30] <shtrb|laptop> always make sure to do a single FULL file backup (so no NDFs)
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• 1626[12:13:52] <shtrb|laptop> Alina-malina, for windows docker you can use replaced-url
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• 1629[12:14:16] <shtrb|laptop> I presonally just use a windows + mssql install in a vm instead of docker because that way it never have failed me
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• 1631[12:15:12] <shtrb|laptop> FinalX, maybe the "NDA/EULA" is no longer needed (things may have changed since I tried that )
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• 1633[12:15:57] <shtrb|laptop> And their debian packager email is not getting emails :-(
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• 1640[12:18:46] <Alina-malina> oh let me try this mssql express thing, i think it might work for me, my dataabase is less then 10GB
• 1641[12:18:49] <Alina-malina> thanks for help guys
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• 1746[13:12:57] <rtp2342> recent update of debian broke qemu's kvm support on 32 bit. running qemu-system-i386 -cdrom mini.iso results in a black window and 100% cpu usage. i didn't find a bugzilla entry for this so far. can anyone confirm this bug?
• 1747[13:13:19] <rtp2342> s/debian/debian 9/
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• 1753[13:14:47] <jelly> rtp2342: dpkg -l qemu-system-x86 | tail -n 1 ... says what?
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• 1755[13:15:14] <BCMM> rtp2342: is that literally the whole command line? could you try with a little more RAM?
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• 1757[13:15:36] <BCMM> the default memory allowance on qemu is not sufficient to properly boot Debian CDs, iirc
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• 1759[13:15:54] <rtp2342> BCMM: also happens with -m 512
• 1760[13:16:06] <BCMM> ah, sorry.
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• 1762[13:16:26] <rtp2342> and if i give qemu option -no-kvm it works, but slow of course.
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• 1765[13:17:09] <rtp2342> jelly: sorry, i don't have access to that machine right now. but i IIRC it was a kernel update, not a qemu update.
• 1766[13:17:35] <rtp2342> jelly: so something in the kvm support of the kernel seems broken
• 1767[13:18:12] <jelly> could be. Do you know whether it's a -686 or -amd64 kernel?
• 1768[13:18:22] <rtp2342> jelly: but only on 32 bit. another machine with debian 9 (64 bit) is able to run qemu with kvm support after update.
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• 1770[13:18:54] <rtp2342> jelly: since the machine in question is 32 bit only, it is a -686 kernel, -686-pae to be precise.
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• 1774[13:20:06] <rtp2342> jelly: and the guest system (mini.iso) is 32 bit of course :)
• 1775[13:20:11] <jelly> where did you find a kvm capable 32bit cpu?
• 1776[13:20:46] <rtp2342> jelly: thinkpad x60s. it worked through all debian versions since squeeze (6)
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• 1778[13:21:25] <jelly> rtp2342: that's a core2duo, should be 64bit capable
• 1779[13:21:37] <rtp2342> jelly: no, not that one.
• 1780[13:21:47] <rtp2342> jelly: "lm" is missing in the cpu flags
• 1781[13:21:50] <jelly> unless ibm/lenovo has crippled the bios
• 1782[13:22:02] <jelly> all core2duo are 64bit AFAIK
• 1783[13:22:11] <rtp2342> jelly: it is an "Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU L2400 @ 1.66GHz"
• 1784[13:22:14] <versuchsanstalt> jelly: thanks a lot for your hint regarding tls
• 1785[13:22:18] <versuchsanstalt> Dagger: thank you too
• 1786[13:22:46] <jelly> rtp2342: huh. TIL
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• 1790[13:26:13] <jelly> rtp2342: I honestly would not be surprised some of the recent kernel additions broke stuff in 32bit x86
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• 1979[15:16:40] <jelly> !qotd0
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• 2005[15:27:00] <alles-wird-gut> argh, Linux debian 4.14.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.17-1 (2018-02-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux shows only black screen after standby
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• 2009[15:28:14] <P_B> Hi. I'm trying to install stretch netinst onto a brand new system from a DVD I burned on a windows 10 laptop using that OS' native burning software, and I'm hitting the "no common cdrom drive was detected" error, and am unable to proceed further in installation. Installing from USB media is impractical for me atm for reasons, and while I've found *some* information on the issue, I haven't really found an explanation for why this is happening. I've
• 2010[15:28:14] <P_B> installed previous releases from the same optical device before. Is my problem an artifact of Windows' method of burning, that might be resolved by using real burner software instead?
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• 2012[15:29:28] <alles-wird-gut> I found a solution
• 2013[15:29:41] <alles-wird-gut> systemctl list-unit-files | grep upower shows disabled
• 2014[15:30:08] <alles-wird-gut> after sudo systemctl enable upower hibernate standby works fine
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• 2017[15:31:20] <alles-wird-gut> how do I enable upower permanently on boot
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• 2019[15:32:49] <HKitain> enable actually does that
• 2020[15:33:08] <HKitain> start starts it, enable autostarts on next boot
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• 2023[15:33:47] <alles-wird-gut> HKitain: thx
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• 2080[15:59:45] <OS-37445> 1
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• 2084[16:00:47] <shtrb|laptop> Any dell laptop owners are willing to verify a bug in upowerd ? (removing dell_smbios and dell_laptop cause 100% cpy )
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• 2098[16:05:58] <OS-37445> ,
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• 2103[16:11:30] <OS-37445> VERIFY REGISTER OS-37445 oxnivhzpouse
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• 2112[16:14:09] <abrotman> OS-37445: try again, use a new password
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• 2139[16:24:57] <kai_w> My NFS mount seems to be ignoring (secondary) group permissions. NFSv4 with kerberos, and there are only 4 secondary groups on the user.
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• 2145[16:25:27] <kai_w> I can `cd` to folders which have the x-bit set for all users, but not those which only have it set for the 'users' group
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• 2147[16:25:48] <kai_w> any ideas? I'm definitely in the group on both the client and the server, and they agree on UID/GIDs
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• 2161[16:29:11] <debron> Hello
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• 2164[16:31:15] <debron> Brigo: everything worked fine last night, running amd64 deb with mate DE
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• 2166[16:32:11] <debron> everything quite good except the initial mate configuration (bugged, had to restart and set everything manually, not a big deal) and graphic card performance is not great, im trying to look for a better controller right now (or module)
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• 2176[16:36:16] <DammitJim> is there a way to manage laptops with encrypted drives?
• 2177[16:36:23] <DammitJim> this is not necessarily debian related
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• 2179[16:36:32] <DammitJim> if you can point me in the right direction, I would be very grateful
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• 2182[16:38:06] <parteo> hello there, I am trying a recovery via testdisk, and getting the message 'No file found, filesystem may be damaged.' for a partition that used to be a LUKS encrypted one. I tried 'cryptsetup LuksDump' but it found no valid LUKS device as well. yet all other partitions are intact, so I presume the luks-encrypted one should be there, too. only I need to be able to use my password to decrypt it.
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• 2185[16:38:29] <parteo> is there anything I can do?
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• 2198[16:43:05] <vlt> DammitJim: What do you want to "manage"?
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• 2203[16:44:10] <vlt> parteo: Can you paste the output of `lsblk` and `blkid`?
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• 2213[16:45:58] <parteo> vlt, sure, this is lsblk; replaced-url
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• 2215[16:46:17] <jomofcw> Hello !
• 2216[16:46:20] <jomofcw> I need to change/upgrade the hardware of one of my DEV server (not a production one). Is their any tool that can enable me to "copy" the full configuration of my debian and its package from the original hardware to the new one, please ?
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• 2221[16:47:31] <parteo> vlt, here is blkid, too; replaced-url
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• 2224[16:48:23] <vlt> parteo: `fdisk -l /dev/sdb`
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• 2228[16:50:12] <parteo> vlt, replaced-url
• 2229[16:50:15] <vlt> parteo: Where does /dev/loop1 come from?
• 2230[16:51:16] <parteo> vlt, I'd searched for luks headers and found a few, with which I tried to offset
• 2231[16:51:21] <parteo> with losetup
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• 2233[16:51:42] <vlt> parteo: Sure. But what does it map to?
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• 2235[16:52:07] <parteo> but they were rejected with 'no valid LUKS device' or 'Unsupported LUKS version 0.'
• 2236[16:52:27] <vlt> parteo: "they"? Have you tried `cryptsetup luksDump /dev/loop1`?
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• 2238[16:52:50] <parteo> yes, and loop2,3 and 4, too..because I found 4 luks headers
• 2239[16:52:52] <debron> Could someone please help me a bit? I have a Intel GMA 950 video integrated on my motherboard, It looks like its not working smoothly under debian stretch. the graphic controller i have installed by default is: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
• 2240[16:53:00] <vlt> parteo: Where?
• 2241[16:53:07] <debron> Do someone know's a propietary or some other package that could work well with this device?
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• 2243[16:53:12] <parteo> vlt, on /dev/sdb
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• 2246[16:53:49] <parteo> I ran strings
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• 2248[16:53:55] <parteo> with grep
• 2249[16:53:56] <vlt> parteo: Ok, there _were_ partitions before on /dev/sdb, right?
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• 2251[16:54:11] <parteo> yes, there still are. I can access to other partitions via testdisk
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• 2253[16:54:14] <parteo> but not to this one
• 2254[16:54:15] <vlt> parteo: What does `losetup -a` look like?
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• 2256[16:55:01] <parteo> vlt, it looks like this; replaced-url
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• 2258[16:55:28] <parteo> these are the headers that I found
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• 2260[16:55:37] <vlt> parteo: Have you tried `cryptsetup luksDump /dev/loop1`?
• 2261[16:55:41] <parteo> yes
• 2262[16:55:50] <vlt> parteo: And?
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• 2264[16:56:11] <parteo> it says 'Unsupported LUKS version 0.'
• 2265[16:56:40] <BCMM> debron: in what way is it not working?
• 2266[16:56:43] <vlt> parteo: `hd -v /dev/loop1 | head -20`
• 2267[16:57:27] <parteo> vlt, replaced-url
• 2268[16:57:58] <vlt> parteo: I'd guess you hit the wrong "LUKS" string thre :D
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• 2270[16:58:28] <vlt> parteo: I'd expect something like "00000000 4c 55 4b 53 ba be 00 01 61 65 73 00 00 00 00 00 |LUKS....aes.....|"
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• 2273[16:58:54] <parteo> vlt, could be. the other three strings gave a different, more familiar error, i.e. 'Device /dev/loop2 is not a valid LUKS device.'
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• 2277[17:00:56] <vlt> parteo: All my LUKS devices look like this.
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• 2280[17:01:39] <parteo> I wonder where the strings are. the whole disk returned only 4 headers, and the wrong ones.
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• 2282[17:01:55] <vlt> parteo: What events lead to this situation in the first place?
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• 2284[17:02:31] <parteo> vlt, the partitions were accidentally deleted with fdisk, and on top of that, formatted with gparted
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• 2287[17:02:54] <vlt> parteo: formatted? With file systems?
• 2288[17:02:54] <debron> BCMM: its working, just not fluent
• 2289[17:02:58] <debron> Using mate now
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• 2292[17:03:30] <debron> the most obvious thing is in webbrowser, scrolling up/down a page, it "jumps" instead of scroll fluently
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• 2294[17:03:46] <parteo> vlt, yet, I was able to notice it before reboot, thanks to the warning of gparted, and I didn't reboot first, so the format didnt take effect. but still then, the luks partition was giving the above errors.
• 2295[17:03:47] <BCMM> debron: i mean, it's kind of ancient - maybe the hardware just isn't that powerful?
• 2296[17:03:50] <alkisg> jomofcw: linux runs on different hardware with no issues, so just clone the disk with dd, gparted or any tool you like
• 2297[17:04:06] <debron> you know what i mean? it reminds me some time ago when i used nvidia card, and with the open drivers had the same thing, until i installed nvidia propietary drivers
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• 2300[17:04:42] <debron> BCMM: i cant be sure 100%, but i think it must go a bit more fluent with a proper controller
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• 2304[17:05:04] <vlt> parteo: Reboot is not necessary for formatting devices with file systems. If you wrote a file system header over the first bytes of your LUKS device(s) there should be ZERO chance to recover anything. Restore from your backup.
• 2305[17:05:18] <debron> i tried to find propietary controller for this, but havent found none, is any other package that could make the trick?
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• 2308[17:06:13] <parteo> vlt, I see..I just wanted to ask of opinions from more informed, experienced people if I can try anything else.
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• 2312[17:07:06] <vlt> parteo: yw
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• 2317[17:07:24] <parteo> particularly because I have all the other partitions still accessible
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• 2319[17:07:32] <parteo> and intact
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• 2321[17:08:15] <parteo> anyway, thank you for your help, vlt
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• 2323[17:09:05] <vlt> parteo: "All the other"? I'm not totally clear what that means.
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• 2325[17:09:25] <greycat> Intel GMA 950 -> replaced-url
• 2326[17:09:26] <parteo> vlt, the other partitions on disk are accessible via testdisk
• 2327[17:09:30] <greycat> says it's from early 2006
• 2328[17:09:39] <debron> yeah
• 2329[17:09:45] <debron> is an old computer
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• 2332[17:10:07] <vlt> parteo: You mean loop[2-4]?
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• 2335[17:10:35] <parteo> vlt, no, loop2-4 were loops that I created when I offsetted the strings that I found
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• 2337[17:10:47] <greycat> With intel integrated chipsets of that age, you probably don't even need firmware. You get to choose whether to use the -intel driver or the -modeset driver, and that's about it.
• 2338[17:11:01] <vlt> parteo: I still have no idea what "the other partitions" are then.
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• 2343[17:11:29] <parteo> vlt, before it was borked, there were several partitions on disk
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• 2345[17:11:34] <debron> greycat: the one ive got are the intel one?
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• 2347[17:11:52] <debron> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
• 2348[17:12:07] <greycat> That's the hardware. That doesn't tell us which driver your X server is using.
• 2349[17:12:15] <vlt> parteo: So, where are they now?
• 2350[17:12:15] <debron> mmm
• 2351[17:12:18] <debron> sec then
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• 2354[17:13:23] <debron> greycat: i think thats the controller
• 2355[17:13:32] <debron> not the hardware
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• 2357[17:14:39] <parteo> vlt, they are in their own partitions that are accessible only via testdisk
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• 2359[17:14:53] <parteo> I dont understand your question
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• 2361[17:15:18] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2363[17:15:34] <vlt> parteo: So, testdisk located the location of the other non-LUKS file systems, right?
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• 2369[17:16:32] <parteo> vlt, yes, and I think it located the location of the luks partition in question, too..but when I try to look inside it, I get the error that I posted earlier 'nothing found, the file system may be damaged'
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• 2377[17:17:22] <bhermon> ok, newbie here to debian... i would like to setup a network printer on this raspberry pi...where should I begin?
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• 2379[17:17:35] <greycat> probably by installing CUPS
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• 2381[17:17:53] <vlt> parteo: If you interrupted parted trying to create file systems it's plausible that it began formatting the first one -- destroying your LUKS header -- but leaving the ones coming after that untouched.
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• 2384[17:18:09] <bhermon> and to install cups, i would start where?
• 2385[17:18:17] <_2E0LNX> Good afternoon all, does anyone know if ftp.uk.debian.org performs rate limiting or blacklisting at all?
• 2386[17:18:33] <_2E0LNX> bhermon: do you have a graphical package manager available?
• 2387[17:18:47] <debron> greycat: replaced-url
• 2388[17:19:31] <greycat> debron: where's the rest of it?
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• 2391[17:19:42] <bhermon> _2E0LNX: I think so, what does debian call it?
• 2392[17:19:48] <bhermon> apt and dnf do not work
• 2393[17:20:04] <_2E0LNX> bhermon: it's more about "what does the version on your pi call it?"
• 2394[17:20:18] <_2E0LNX> wait, apt doesn't work?
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• 2396[17:20:28] <bhermon> says apt not found as root.
• 2397[17:20:43] <greycat> if it's a very old release, you may only have apt-get and not apt
• 2398[17:20:45] <_2E0LNX> bhermon: try "apt-get update"
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• 2400[17:20:54] <parteo> vlt, I think gparted fully ran the operation, but not on disk first, because, until reboot, I was able to access partitions which were mounted at the time, but the above one luks partition was already gone, as you said.
• 2401[17:20:57] <bhermon> trying...
• 2402[17:21:34] <bhermon> ok, that is working...
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• 2404[17:21:45] <debron> Sec, ill paste the full log
• 2405[17:21:47] <_2E0LNX> bhermon: ok, you have an older version of 'apt
• 2406[17:22:12] <parteo> anyway, thank you again, vlt..seems there is not much left to do :)
• 2407[17:22:13] <_2E0LNX> bhermon: the "apt install" method is replaced with "apt-get install"
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• 2409[17:22:31] <_2E0LNX> alright, it's the other way around, but you get my point
• 2410[17:23:05] <parteo> bye vlt, bye everyone
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• 2413[17:23:45] <bhermon> installing cups (apt-get install cups...)
• 2414[17:23:49] <debron> greycat: replaced-url
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• 2416[17:24:20] <debron> LoadModule: "modesetting"
• 2417[17:24:29] <debron> maybe its not using intel graphics
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• 2419[17:24:59] <greycat> debron: OK, looks like stretch, and looks like it's using the -intel driver instead of the -modeset driver. Which is probably the right choice for hardware that old.
• 2420[17:25:13] <debron> Aah I see
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• 2423[17:26:18] <debron> So this is the ebst possible right greycat ?
• 2424[17:26:21] <debron> best*
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• 2428[17:27:14] <greycat> you could ask on #intel-gfx
• 2429[17:28:24] <bhermon> ok, next step, how do i invoke cups?
• 2430[17:28:25] <debron> I did, not much help received yet
• 2431[17:28:35] <debron> Do you think GMABooster would help?
• 2432[17:28:48] <greycat> I think a new laptop would help.
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• 2434[17:29:32] <greycat> bhermon: many people configure it through the web interface, on port 631
• 2435[17:29:42] <bhermon> cupsd is running, how to access?
• 2436[17:29:59] <greycat> bhermon: "man cups", or if you prefer command line stuff over web stuff, "man lpadmin" and so on
• 2437[17:30:08] <bhermon> so replaced-url
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• 2439[17:30:18] <greycat> if the web browser is on the same machine, yes
• 2440[17:30:35] <debron> its not a laptop, its Dell OPTIPLEX GX620
• 2441[17:30:42] <debron> Old, but all i have at the moment
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• 2443[17:31:21] <bhermon> yup, that works, now to explore a bit. Thanks for holding my hand into this...
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• 2446[17:31:39] <debron> i have 5 computers like this one, the best i could do is take RAM from another one and upgrade to 2 GB ram this one. :P
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• 2451[17:32:10] <greycat> boosting the RAM won't speed up the graphics
• 2452[17:32:23] <debron> I didnt said that
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• 2454[17:32:55] <debron> for the graphics im trying to look for a solution.
• 2455[17:33:25] <debron> The RAM worked good for the OS performance, less harddrive use. big improvement for web browsing for now
• 2456[17:33:30] <greycat> Live with it as is, or put in a graphics card, or get a newer machine.
• 2457[17:33:49] <FinalX> get raspberry pi's? :p
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• 2459[17:33:59] <debron> Ok there is nothing else to do, got it. Thanks for the help greycat
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• 2470[17:37:24] <greycat> "X now defaults to using built-in modesetting video driver on Intel hardware which is "4th gen GMA" and newer, so roughly speaking on hardware from 2007 and up."
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• 2472[17:37:34] <greycat> Yours is older than that, so -intel is the right choice.
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• 2482[17:40:08] <bhermon> OK, I logged into cups as pi, but it won't let me do anything, says 'forbidden'
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• 2487[17:40:58] <ezra-s> bhermon: close browser or clean cache
• 2488[17:41:16] <bhermon> I tried closing the browser, no joy.
• 2489[17:41:25] <bhermon> ? clean cache?
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• 2493[17:42:28] <ezra-s> bhermon: fix cups permissions too or add yourself to the appropiate group (can't recall which)
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• 2500[17:44:11] <bhermon> ezra-s:don't see cup in passwd or group files...
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• 2524[17:50:34] <noodlepie> Hiya guys, my Debian is up to date today. Great news!
• 2525[17:50:36] <noodlepie> Well done!
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• 2527[17:51:18] <abrotman> dpkg: congratulate noodlepie
• 2528[17:51:18] <dpkg> Hugs & Puppies noodlepie, you did it!
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• 2533[17:55:04] * noodlepie hands #Debian a big fresh cannabis spliff. Enjoy (:
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• 2536[17:56:05] <debron> greycat: something must definetly be wrong
• 2537[17:56:39] <debron> let me show you something, wait a second
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• 2552[18:01:16] <debron> greycat: look what happen with Pluma editor: replaced-url
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• 2555[18:03:01] <debron> also sometimes when i change some window to the front, there is graphic mess around for a moment
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• 2557[18:03:38] <debron> maybe we are wrong with the device i have? or the proper module for it?
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• 2564[18:04:56] <jelly> debron: that looks like crap, can you stop gnome from using a compositor? If you can, try that to work around the breakage.
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• 2566[18:05:12] <debron> I am using mate right now
• 2567[18:05:15] <debron> ill try, sec
• 2568[18:05:21] <greycat> I was wondering how to tell if it's GNOME or not.
• 2569[18:05:27] <greycat> Then I gave up.
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• 2571[18:05:29] <jelly> ok, can you stop Mate from using a compositor :-)
• 2572[18:05:44] <fizzizist> is stretch more secure than testing?
• 2573[18:05:48] <greycat> yes
• 2574[18:05:55] <jelly> fizzizist: absolutely
• 2575[18:06:03] <greycat> Literally every branch of Debian that isn't completely obsolete is more secure than testing.
• 2576[18:06:10] <fizzizist> good to know
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• 2579[18:07:54] <alkisg> debron: try: marco --no-composite --replace &
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• 2588[18:10:58] <debron> alkisg, that was too much
• 2589[18:11:09] <alkisg> Meaning?
• 2590[18:11:13] <jelly> too much?
• 2591[18:11:22] <jelly> that's too much man!
• 2592[18:11:31] <debron> i cant see windows top bars anymore to minimize windows, also cant even minimize
• 2593[18:11:35] <alkisg> Meh, I'll try to propose shorter commands in the future :D
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• 2596[18:12:04] <alkisg> That sounds like you don't have a window manager anymore. Try to run it again
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• 2598[18:12:24] <alkisg> Another one is, marco --composite --replace &
• 2599[18:12:25] <jelly> is marco both a compositor and a wm?
• 2600[18:12:29] <alkisg> Yes
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• 2602[18:12:42] <debron> i cant see windows top bars anymore to minimize windows, also cant even minimizmarco --no-composite --replace &
• 2603[18:12:47] <alkisg> In mate, there's marco with compositing (default), without, or compton
• 2604[18:12:57] <debron> sorry, i have weechat in front
• 2605[18:13:02] <debron> and cant switch to terminal xD
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• 2608[18:13:51] <jelly> debron: switch to ctrl-alt-f1, log in, run sleep 5; DISPLAY=:0 marco --composite --replace & and switch back to Ctrl-Alt-F7 within 5 seconds
• 2609[18:14:00] <jelly> and hope for the best
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• 2611[18:14:25] <debron> ok sec
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• 2614[18:15:42] <jelly> but that's an i945. opengl _will_ be buggy, compositing with opengl will be buggy. Even different intel 2D acceleration things will be buggy (SNA? UXA? XAA? EXA? There were so many during the years)
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• 2618[18:17:06] <jelly> some of them might be less buggy than the others. And since intel people do not appear to care about regressions in old chipsets really, Xorg from around Debian 6 or 7 might work better.
• 2619[18:17:27] <debron> jelly: Display=:0 command not found
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• 2621[18:17:39] <debron> mmm
• 2622[18:17:43] <greycat> first of all it's DISPLAY=:0 in all caps, NOT Display
• 2623[18:17:52] <debron> oooh sorry
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• 2625[18:17:53] <jelly> debron: this is all one command line: sleep 5; DISPLAY=:0 marco --composite --replace &
• 2626[18:18:03] <greycat> second of all, that's a bash/zsh/ksh/dash/sh command, and if you're in tcsh/csh put env in front of it
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• 2630[18:18:35] <jelly> if you're in csh the terrorists have already won
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• 2632[18:18:45] <litb> hello all
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• 2635[18:19:01] <litb> jessie-backports has a systemtap that is incompatible with the jessie-backports linux kernel 4.9
• 2636[18:19:02] <debron> ok fixed with that command, there is a lot of warnings btw
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• 2638[18:19:18] <litb> on stretch, this was already fixed, but on backports, this seems to have been missed
• 2639[18:19:20] <jelly> litb: report that to the backports mailing list.
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• 2641[18:19:37] <jelly> litb: as per backports instructions page, I believe
• 2642[18:19:43] <debron> yeah jelly i executed as you said, had 2 mistakes at first, but then it worked, i have everything back
• 2643[18:19:48] <litb> as a hotfix, what can I do?
• 2644[18:19:59] <litb> can I install the stretch version on jessie?
• 2645[18:20:09] <jelly> litb: replaced-url
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• 2647[18:20:20] <litb> when i try, it wants to install gcc-6-base
• 2648[18:20:31] <litb> i guess that will not work since the kernel is compiled with gcc4.9
• 2649[18:20:37] <jelly> litb: installing anything from stretch might break your system. That's why backports exist in the first place.
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• 2651[18:21:00] <litb> jelly, can I recompile the stretch source package and then omit installing the gcc-6 package?
• 2652[18:21:40] <jelly> litb: source for systemtap? Perhaps you can do a backport of your own yes.
• 2653[18:22:24] <jelly> litb: see "/msg dpkg ssb" but replace sid with stretch as your deb-src
• 2654[18:22:58] <jelly> judd: checkbackport systemtap --fromrelease stretch --torelease jessie
• 2655[18:22:59] <judd> Backporting package systemtap in stretch→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports.
• 2656[18:23:16] <jelly> might work
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• 2658[18:24:08] <debron> jelly: btw, the option in gui "Enable software compositing window manager" is disabled
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• 2662[18:25:17] <context> so i have 'iface xxx inet6 auto' but i am not getting a SLAAC address. My phone is though so i know the router isnt hosed
• 2663[18:25:25] <litb> jelly, hmm "E: Build-Depends dependency for systemtap cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package gettext can't satisfy version requirements"
• 2664[18:25:40] <context> is there some package im missing? i have dhcpcd and 'slaac private' in the conf
• 2665[18:25:43] <context> (the default)
• 2666[18:25:53] <litb> looks like that systemtap needs a newer version of gettext during the build than I have?
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• 2669[18:26:28] <jomofcw> alkisg hello ! Thanks for your answer :). I'll give it a look so ^^.
• 2670[18:26:43] <jelly> debron: I'd probably try to disable accelerated 3d completely, see if that helps anything. Window actions _will_ become slower. I'd try to remove libgl1-mesa-dri package (and install libgl1-mesa-glx instead if it's not already there), and reboot to see changes
• 2671[18:26:53] <jelly> debron: be careful not to remove anything else
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• 2673[18:27:11] <jelly> litb: might need to add -t jessie-backports to the command
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• 2678[18:27:41] <litb> jeezy, niice :)
• 2679[18:27:45] <jelly> litb: or use aptitude source ..., it's better at figuring things out
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• 2682[18:28:46] <litb> and i guess for apt-get -b source systemtap , I need to use -t stretch then
• 2683[18:28:56] <litb> otherwise it will build the backports or even jessie package
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• 2685[18:29:08] <jelly> right
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• 2687[18:29:37] <jelly> but stretch and jessie-bpo sources ought to be pretty similar and require same fixes
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• 2690[18:30:05] <debron> jelly: changing the them from blackbird to blackMate seem to solved the problem
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• 2692[18:30:16] <jelly> wut
• 2693[18:30:18] <debron> at least the pluma visual glitch
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• 2695[18:30:24] <debron> the theme*
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• 2704[18:33:22] <litb> jelly, weird: "E: The value 'stretch' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources"
• 2705[18:33:31] <litb> I *do* have a line in sources.list for stretch
• 2706[18:33:37] <litb> and apt-get updated
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• 2711[18:34:37] <jelly> litb: which command line resulted in that
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• 2713[18:34:49] <litb> sudo apt-get -t stretch -b source systemtap
• 2714[18:35:10] <jelly> litb: and you have deb-src lines for stretch in place?
• 2715[18:35:13] <jelly> not deb!
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• 2717[18:35:18] <litb> yes
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• 2719[18:35:50] <litb> it says Hit replaced-url
• 2720[18:35:51] <jelly> litb: pastebin the output of "apt-get source systemtap"
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• 2722[18:36:03] <litb> i will try the official mirror. perhaps it's an issue on our site
• 2723[18:36:15] <jelly> without -b
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• 2726[18:38:18] <jelly> (be careful not to add deb lines for a newer release)
• 2727[18:38:49] <litb> this is my line: deb-src replaced-url
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• 2734[18:40:03] <litb> without -b it fails aswell, including with the official mirror
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• 2749[18:45:44] <litb> jelly, ah if i omit -t, it works. it automatically uses stretch
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• 2760[18:53:04] <context> restarted networking, still no inet6 address :*
• 2761[18:53:06] <context> :(
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• 2768[18:54:50] <context> .... i have ipv6 disabled :(
• 2769[18:54:58] <context> i did that for a reason dont remember why
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• 2807[19:13:20] <context> any help getting ipv6 working. i NOW have ipv6 enabled, inet6 auto for all interfaces, restarted networking
• 2808[19:13:41] <context> phone gets ip6 address so i know router advert is working as it should
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• 2811[19:14:55] <Dagger> this is why you don't just disable v6 the moment you spot a colon anywhere
• 2812[19:14:56] <Dagger> context: pastebin `sysctl -a | grep ipv6`?
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• 2814[19:16:21] <context> i got it. even after all my sad attempts at stopping networking, dhcpcd, wpa_sup, and restarting still didnt work
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• 2816[19:16:33] <context> Dagger: did a wpa_action xx reload and... just like magic
• 2817[19:16:45] <context> address showed up
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• 2821[19:17:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1588
• 2822[19:17:16] <Dagger> also I was under the impression "restarting networking" was deprecated, with the supported route being ifdown/ifup
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• 2824[19:17:48] <context> yeah i was doing that too
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• 2826[19:18:40] <noodlepie> Hiya Debianers. .Debian is my favourite binary packages OS, I like Gentoo also but that uses Source Packages, its good.
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• 2829[19:19:46] <noodlepie> Choice is always a fine thing. I used to run Debian servers at work for the websites (PHP and Zope.org). It worked perfectly and saved us a bundle of cash, we replaced the aging windows NT hosted email systems with Debian ones. I love it.
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• 2843[19:28:02] <inook> so im trying to mount a samba shared folder to my retropies roms folder.... an anyone help me? im currently connected to the server with the files but dont know how to put the folders to path
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• 2866[19:37:45] <tw> inook: use /etc/fstab to connect to the share.
• 2867[19:37:47] <tw> replaced-url
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• 2891[19:49:38] <jim> anyone from debian multimedia here? are you guys playing with supercollider any past 3.8.0?
• 2892[19:50:06] <noodlepie> My Debian machine is ll up to date now, this stuff rocks.
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• 2899[19:51:39] <noodlepie> Sometimes you just need binary packages for slower older machines. For Source Packages I use Gentoo as I like Portage's emerge USE flags.
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• 2908[19:54:36] <hypn0> do you mean static packages :-/
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• 2975[20:24:46] <fifi-v> I'm running Xfce-4.12 on Debian Jessie, about to upgrade, the instructions suggest upgrading from a virutal console. Then I found shortcut `Ctrl-Alt-Fn-F1'(I installed Debian on a Macbook Air) does not switch to a console. Any idea on how to debug this?
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• 2981[20:27:19] <nezZario> where's that netcat pastebin? ... I'm having some severe issues with my wifi connectivity out of nowhere. I mean, it may be my router, but it's definitely not my ISP -- it's between me and my router, no other devices are affeceted by it
• 2982[20:27:37] <nezZario> I just can't find any good useful information on what in the hell could be going on
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• 2984[20:28:25] <nezZario> Just, every 10-45 minutes my connection drops... then 5 seconds later reconnects fine. it reconnects quick enough like even ssh connections are usually not interrupted, but it's gotten to the point where it's just plain torture
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• 2992[20:33:51] <abrotman> !pastewithoutx
• 2993[20:33:52] <dpkg> Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to replaced-url
• 2994[20:33:53] <abrotman> that?
• 2995[20:34:22] <alkisg> echo blabla | nc termbin.com 9999
• 2996[20:34:25] <nezZario> termbin!
• 2997[20:34:35] <nezZario> haha found it as soon as you said it! yeah one second. check this out:
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• 3002[20:38:14] <nezZario> this is a tail of about the last 1000 lines of my /var/log/messages - check it out - replaced-url
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• 3012[20:40:42] <nezZario> i mean, idk what it is.. the only message really there is "failed to use reserved channel context, disconnecting" .. any hints on where I might could look? I bought this usb wifi antenna specifically beacause, well, it's powerful, can be promiscuous, and should have pretty decent compatibility with linux. i've only had it like 3 months, and this all started happening in the last week. i even tried keeping my phone away
• 3013[20:40:42] <nezZario> from it, .. watching the microwave.. everything I can come up with
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• 3018[20:44:51] <Brigo> nezZario, did you search google for that message? replaced-url
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• 3020[20:45:25] <fSharp> hello everyone, my fresh debian install is giving an error with the very first update && upgrade. It says the repository doesnt have a release file.
• 3021[20:45:42] <fSharp> updating cant be secure, so disabled by default.
• 3022[20:45:52] <fSharp> see apt-secure for repo creation.
• 3023[20:46:08] <annadane> try it again
• 3024[20:46:15] <annadane> that fixed it for me last time
• 3025[20:46:16] <fSharp> what repos do I need to create here? security?
• 3026[20:46:30] <nezZario> I did, but I put both together like a goober, I'll check out that link
• 3027[20:47:18] <fSharp> annadane, you replied to me?
• 3028[20:47:22] <annadane> yes
• 3029[20:47:53] <fSharp> ah, great, thank you
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• 3032[20:48:51] <fSharp> annadane, it didn't fix the error, unfortunately
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• 3037[20:51:05] <annadane> can you put on paste.debian.net your sources list?
• 3038[20:51:09] <annadane> fSharp
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• 3040[20:51:58] <fSharp> annadane, I only have deb ve deb-src of stretch main
• 3041[20:52:09] <annadane> !stretch sources.list
• 3042[20:52:09] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 3043[20:52:21] <annadane> (and deb-src if you want it but not mandatory0
• 3044[20:52:25] <annadane> )
• 3045[20:52:34] <fSharp> ah,right
• 3046[20:53:19] <nezZario> lol what tha fark? that URL, the advice was to add 'options iwlwifi 11n_disable=8' into a file [append, but mine didn't exist] /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf .. and Uh, I rebooted, and it screwed up my display?
• 3047[20:53:55] <fSharp> annadane, oh, right, they are all there, but have been commented out
• 3048[20:54:00] <annadane> ah.
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• 3050[20:54:23] <nezZario> i mean I'm 100% sure. I added it, rebooted, and it was like, all these weird horizontal lines and my resolution was weird. could see it enough to remove the line, rebooted, and it was gone. why the hell would a line given to a wireless driver affect my display?
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• 3054[20:57:19] <fSharp> annadane, sorry, with 'stretch main' I have 'deb cdrom:[..' instead of 'deb replaced-url
• 3055[20:57:57] <annadane> fSharp, yeah, comment out the cd stuff
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• 3062[21:00:19] <fSharp> annadane, done, thank you very much!
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• 3070[21:02:28] <n0am> is there perl7 for debian 9?
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• 3073[21:03:14] <annadane> looks like not, from briefly searching
• 3074[21:03:21] <n0am> pity
• 3075[21:03:43] <n0am> ampache requires it
• 3076[21:04:17] <annadane> perl7 doesn't exist period, apparently
• 3077[21:04:19] <annadane> ,v perl7
• 3078[21:04:20] <judd> No package named 'perl7' was found in amd64.
• 3079[21:04:23] <annadane> ,v perl6
• 3080[21:04:24] <judd> Package: perl6 on amd64 -- sid: 6.c-1; stretch: 6.c-1
• 3081[21:04:38] <n0am> right thganks just a matter of time then
• 3082[21:05:26] <n4dir> isn't ampache in the debian repos? and if so: shouldn't it's dependencies be fulfilled ?
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• 3084[21:05:52] <n0am> it might be not the latest version
• 3085[21:05:56] <annadane> in jessie, not stretch
• 3086[21:05:57] <bites> did you mean php 7? or are you a time traveler in need of perl 7?
• 3087[21:06:04] <n4dir> annadane: oh. i see.
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• 3089[21:06:14] <n0am> oh sorry my fault you are absolutely right i mean php7
• 3090[21:06:17] <annadane> ah
• 3091[21:06:20] <annadane> ,v php7
• 3092[21:06:21] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
• 3093[21:06:23] <annadane> er
• 3094[21:06:24] <n0am> thats why io could not find it
• 3095[21:06:33] <annadane> php 7 is definitely in stretch
• 3096[21:06:36] <annadane> sec
• 3097[21:07:17] <annadane> ,v php7.0
• 3098[21:07:19] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.27-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 7.0.27-0+deb9u1; buster: 7.0.28-1; sid: 7.0.28-1
• 3099[21:08:00] <n0am> i am confused i have debian 9 what is its name?
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• 3101[21:08:26] <n0am> so i need stretch i guess
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• 3105[21:09:26] <annadane> yeah 9 is stretch
• 3106[21:09:39] <n0am> i have that
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• 3108[21:10:52] <n0am> problem solved thanks
• 3109[21:11:00] <n0am> installing now
• 3110[21:11:18] <annadane> and yeah in the back of my mind i was thinking "there's a perl 7...?"
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• 3112[21:11:38] <n0am> i tried apt-get install php7 with no result but it had to be install php7.0
• 3113[21:11:51] <annadane> you can "apt search php"
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• 3116[21:12:57] <n0am> ok thanks i am new with apt
• 3117[21:13:12] <annadane> but yes, ampache is not in stretch
• 3118[21:13:19] <annadane> and you shouldn't start mixing jessie and stretch
• 3119[21:13:25] <n0am> i see
• 3120[21:13:41] <annadane> replaced-url
• 3121[21:13:48] <bites> ,v apache2
• 3122[21:13:50] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u12; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u11; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u11; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; buster: 2.4.29-2; sid: 2.4.29-2
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• 3124[21:13:58] <bites> it's there
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• 3127[21:14:10] <annadane> apache2, yes, but they asked about ampache
• 3128[21:14:11] <annadane> ,v ampache
• 3129[21:14:12] <judd> Package: ampache on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.6-git408e713+dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.6-rzb2752+dfsg-5
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• 3132[21:14:41] <bites> thought that was a typo
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• 3134[21:16:11] <n0am> its a music server
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• 3136[21:16:41] <annadane> you can also set up a virtual machine with debian jessie and run it there
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• 3139[21:17:01] <annadane> and i actually don't know where you'd get jessie, snapshots?
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• 3142[21:17:29] <n0am> it already rus on a centos image i wanted to try debian
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• 3145[21:17:43] <n0am> s/rus/runs
• 3146[21:17:52] <bites> jessie is still supported.
• 3147[21:18:26] <bites> snapshots is for packages that have been replaced with newer versions.
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• 3151[21:20:43] <bites> but i'd probably get it from upstream if i were you.
• 3152[21:21:54] <RoyK> nuno_nunes: if you want to try debian, start with stretch, not jessie
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• 3155[21:22:07] <RoyK> jessie doesn't get updated that much anymore except for security fixes
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• 3157[21:22:45] <RoyK> n0am: that one was for you, sorry nuno_nunes
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• 3162[21:23:31] <RoyK> n0am: migrating from centos to debian will probably be ok, but some config files and services will have different names/locations
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• 3179[21:26:53] <n4dir> I do recall there were other music servers like ampache. I forgot their names. Might be an idea to look for a replacement?
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• 3182[21:27:24] <annadane> ^
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• 3184[21:27:35] <n0am> i was just curious to run ampache on debian i dont really need it i just want to know if it could be done
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• 3187[21:27:50] <annadane> replaced-url
• 3188[21:27:57] <n0am> it works ok on centos on my image
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• 3190[21:28:19] <n0am> i will check the link
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• 3192[21:28:44] <n4dir> perhaps zeya ? it's too long ago (i already understood that is not really the problem, only finishing my comment ... :-) ).
• 3193[21:29:15] <annadane> and now to recommend music... :D
• 3194[21:30:09] <n4dir> ha ha ha. You really made me laugh out loud.
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• 3197[21:31:15] <annadane> i doubt that
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• 3200[21:33:01] <magyar> hi, is there an apparmor profile for torbrowser, or can I disable apparmor for a specific application?
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• 3209[21:37:34] <dirac1> How i make permanent ARP changes in debian?
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• 3213[21:40:08] <greycat> You mean change which IP address is assigned to which computer? Those are either configured in the DHCP server, or are configured on individual machines.
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• 3222[21:44:00] <fSharp> hi again, I have all the required packages for wifi, but cant figure what is missing. from what I found online, I tried 'modprobe wl' and it gave 'module wl not found in directory /lib/modules..' what do I need to do?
• 3223[21:44:08] <dirac1> No, make permanent ARP entries
• 3224[21:44:21] <greycat> dirac1: what are you trying to accomplish?
• 3225[21:44:22] <dirac1> But already found a solution, here it is: replaced-url
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• 3229[21:46:14] <greycat> The sample /sbin/ifup-local script on that site has at least 2 errors in it. Real ones.
• 3230[21:46:38] <greycat> Plus a complete lack of indentation.
• 3231[21:46:40] <bites> magyar: set them to complain mode if you need to something like aa-complain /etc/apparmor.d/torbrowser.* then check with aa-status
• 3232[21:47:37] <magyar> bites: what about the apparmor profile from the dev team for tor-browser?
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• 3235[21:48:00] <bites> which one?
• 3236[21:48:15] <jordanm> greycat: /bin/sh with [[ and the fact that ethX naming is no longer used?
• 3237[21:48:21] <bites> check with aa-status what's enforced then disable what you need.
• 3238[21:48:26] <magyar> bites: replaced-url
• 3239[21:48:37] <greycat> sh with [[ and ==, and the missing command between "else" and "fi"
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• 3242[21:48:52] <greycat> You can have a null command like : or true, but not an empty void.
• 3243[21:49:03] <dirac1> greycat, I'm using Debian.
• 3244[21:49:14] <jordanm> yeah, even if it did accept a comment, it would be dumb to have
• 3245[21:49:15] <dirac1> And I'm asking it in a Debian channel.
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• 3247[21:49:18] <bites> magyar: not sure what you want me to do with the github link, i'm using the debian package.
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• 3249[21:49:30] <greycat> dirac1: what are you trying to accomplish by manually altering your ARP cache?
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• 3252[21:50:12] <dirac1> greycat, A way to configure ARP entries for users, I'm designing a simple router.
• 3253[21:50:32] <beak_> hey, I installed Debian and my screen is flickering like a bad headache. What is the command to install amd gpu drivers for polaris?
• 3254[21:51:27] <magyar> bites: they provide a full functional apparmor profile for tor-browser
• 3255[21:51:31] <beak_> any kind, I'll go with free ones for now, just want the flickering to stop
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• 3257[21:51:57] <greycat> dirac1: You may want to talk to the folks in ##networking
• 3258[21:52:50] <bites> magyar: the one in debian comes with different profiles.
• 3259[21:53:16] <beak_> it's like a bad david lynch movie
• 3260[21:53:29] <magyar> bites: I guess I need to read up on this apparmor deal better
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• 3264[21:55:08] <dirac1> Ok greycat, I'll ask there.
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• 3266[21:56:33] <beak_> I'll try another distro, this is really bad, this flickering
• 3267[21:57:03] <beak_> I can't see anything
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• 3269[21:58:06] <beak_> can't even escape to console mode
• 3270[21:58:09] <beak_> WTF
• 3271[21:58:13] <beak_> Debian my arse
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• 3273[21:58:41] <beak_> at LEAST enable console
• 3274[21:59:00] <beak_> tossers
• 3275[21:59:06] <greycat> If you installed a display manager, and booted into it, you should be able to get to a Linux text console by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F2.
• 3276[21:59:17] <beak_> tried that first
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• 3281[21:59:42] <beak_> oh my head
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• 3283[21:59:44] <wpostma> If you can't get to a text console that way, you may have serious DRM/kernel/video problems
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• 3285[21:59:59] <beak_> wpostma, That is exactly it
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• 3288[22:00:24] <wpostma> You have an Nvidia card?
• 3289[22:00:35] <beak_> no, AMD
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• 3291[22:00:46] <wpostma> Which one?
• 3292[22:00:55] <greycat> He mentioned "amd gpu" and "polaris", whatever that is.
• 3293[22:00:56] <beak_> polaris
• 3294[22:01:02] <wpostma> lspci tells the actual name.
• 3295[22:01:04] <greycat> !polaris
• 3296[22:01:04] <dpkg> well, polaris is #del#
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• 3298[22:01:24] <beak_> The flickering is bad, I can barely navigate and I cannot get console
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• 3302[22:01:50] <magyar> bites: i've put it in complain mode but still no sound
• 3303[22:02:03] <greycat> Reboot, edit the GRUB command line and add systemd.unit=multi-user.target
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• 3306[22:02:07] <zprd> hi there
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• 3308[22:02:18] <greycat> That will suppress loading the display manager service.
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• 3314[22:02:51] <bites> magyar: why do you think it's a problem with apparmor if you have no sound?
• 3315[22:02:53] <wpostma> @beak_ : lspci |grep VGA
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• 3318[22:03:22] <magyar> bites: i was seeing all kinds of DENIED messages in the syslogs
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• 3321[22:03:35] <magyar> now it's all ALLOWED but no sound
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• 3323[22:04:06] <zprd> I would like to create a ubuntu bionic lxc container on a stretch lxc host, what is the cleanest way to do, add a lxc template somwhere?
• 3324[22:04:15] <bites> magyar: sound in normal firefox works?
• 3325[22:04:20] <beak_> Baffin Polaris 11
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• 3332[22:04:58] <beak_> I'm getting nauseous
• 3333[22:05:01] <wpostma> So did the box say something like AMD Radeon 4xx?
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• 3337[22:05:20] <beak_> I'll go look for the box
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• 3343[22:05:48] <magyar> bites: yes, all I get is a notice on the top to configure the pulse plugin
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• 3345[22:05:55] <magyar> on the tor browser that is
• 3346[22:06:08] <junka> is there a way to get openrc instead of systemd at installation?
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• 3348[22:06:40] <wpostma> @beak_: does this blog post help? replaced-url
• 3349[22:06:40] <greycat> At installation time? No. After installation? Maybe.
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• 3351[22:06:58] <junka> :(
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• 3353[22:07:04] <greycat> dpkg stretch sysvinit
• 3354[22:07:05] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
• 3355[22:07:39] <junka> wouldn't be a awesome if i could select my init of choice during the installation? :D
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• 3358[22:07:50] <Tom-_> i think there's a way but i don't remember it
• 3359[22:07:52] <greycat> No. It would not.
• 3360[22:07:52] <wpostma> nope. that would make people scream.
• 3361[22:07:54] <Tom-_> i know i've done it
• 3362[22:08:08] <greycat> Tom-_: creating a "preseed" thing?
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• 3365[22:08:52] <Tom-_> isn't there a debconf or something option about automatically installing additional packages to the installer?
• 3366[22:09:17] <greycat> The 7 people in the entire human race who want to use Debian with a different, barely-supported init system can just do it themselves after installation. Confusing the other 99.9999% of Debian users with another question at install time is not worthwhile.
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• 3368[22:09:35] <wpostma> ^^ greycat speaketh the wisdom. let us attend. ^^
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• 3370[22:10:07] <dondelelcaro> you can pretty easily do it from the command line in the installer if you wanted to
• 3371[22:10:17] <junka> well it could be a "expert installation" option only
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• 3374[22:10:51] <dondelelcaro> junka: it is an expert installation option; you just use the command line. [Or you issue a preseed rule to run a command.]
• 3375[22:11:19] <junka> thanks i will try that
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• 3377[22:11:42] <liya> how to get ubuntu themes on debian mate
• 3378[22:11:44] <dondelelcaro> junka: replaced-url
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• 3383[22:12:41] <bites> magyar: and you restarted the browser after setting the profiles to complain?
• 3384[22:13:20] <bites> magyar: because i can reproduce the issue with apparmor running, but once i set it to complain and relaunch the browser i get sound.
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• 3390[22:15:44] <junka> dondelelcaro; very accurate, thank you very much
• 3391[22:16:11] <magyar> bites: i did, let me try again, one sec
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• 3399[22:21:49] <magyar> bites: no go, all I get us a pop-up that says "To play audio, you may need to install the required Pulse Audio software"
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• 3401[22:22:47] <magyar> and a link to Mozilla that explains how to enable sound on Windows OS
• 3402[22:22:50] <bites> magyar: would you paste the output of aa-status to paste.debian.net please?
• 3403[22:23:38] <bites> where did you get the browser from? and did you add the aa profiles from github?
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• 3407[22:26:38] <magyar> bites: replaced-url
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• 3409[22:27:11] <magyar> bites: the browser is from deb repo (buster) and no I didn't add the github module
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• 3412[22:29:36] <beak_> wpostma, That post helped, sweet relief. Thank you.
• 3413[22:30:23] <bites> magyar: i doubt it's apparmor causing the trouble now if you look at the processes that are being enforced.
• 3414[22:30:46] <magyar> bites: missing pulse package?
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• 3416[22:31:01] <magyar> maybe a kde thing?
• 3417[22:31:24] <bites> check with pavucontrol.
• 3418[22:31:43] <bites> if pulse isn't running it will not connect.
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• 3420[22:35:05] <magyar> pavucontol works fine bites
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• 3422[22:35:20] <bites> i'm out of ideas, then. sorry.
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• 3432[22:40:04] <magyar> bites: thanks you for the apparmor trick, this could be something with pulse or kde. I don't see the browser registered as an application that sends sound to the sound server. Firefox does on the other hand
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• 3439[22:44:41] <wpostma> beak_: glad that helped. I'm about to buy a similar card.
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• 3447[22:47:46] <MrGaraj> Hi all! Is there any way that I could download at once all .deb dependencies of portaudio19-dev for debian amd64? It's annoying to do dpkg -i <dependency>, see if something is needed by that dependency or not...etc
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• 3450[22:49:08] <wpostma> and why aren't you just apt-get the whole thing MrGaraj?
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• 3452[22:49:42] <MrGaraj> wpostma: because I need the `.deb`s for an off-line installation?
• 3453[22:49:47] <wpostma> so.
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• 3455[22:49:53] <wpostma> apt-get and go get the debs from the cache.
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• 3457[22:50:12] <bolt> one machine may have deps already that the other does not
• 3458[22:50:52] <MrGaraj> wpostma: how do I need which debs are specifically used by that exact package (portaudio19-dev)?
• 3459[22:51:01] <MrGaraj> s/need/know
• 3460[22:51:20] <wpostma> whatever its deps are, also have deps. You want to expand that all the way down?
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• 3462[22:52:27] <wpostma> You can try apt-cache depends <packagename>
• 3463[22:52:31] <MrGaraj> wpostma: yup, I basically want to do what apt-get install portaudio19-dev, but in an offline maner
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• 3466[22:54:44] <MrGaraj> wpostma: okay, but that's just giving me a list of the dependencies. Is there a way to get .debs for all of those?
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• 3481[23:03:47] <mbnt> Hi, I can't get audio. I tried alsamixer, pavucontrol...what other options do I got?
• 3482[23:05:32] <furrymcgee> MrGaraj: debootstrap a minimum debian than apt install
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• 3484[23:08:06] <autofsckk> /j debian-es
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• 3487[23:11:26] <tobiasBora> Hello,
• 3488[23:11:50] <tobiasBora> I'd like to find why the server I'm loggin in does not run my .bashrc at first login though ssh
• 3489[23:12:12] <tobiasBora> if I ssh, basically the PATH is wrong, but if I call "bash", then the PATH becomes true
• 3490[23:12:18] <tobiasBora> (well the good one)
• 3491[23:12:30] <tobiasBora> any idea why, and how I could find how it's possible?
• 3492[23:12:54] <RoyK> quite possibly your shell is set to dash, not bash
• 3493[23:13:43] <tobiasBora> RoyK: it was tcshrc, but then I added in the .tcshrc at the very beginning a line "bash", to make me use bash instead
• 3494[23:13:53] <tobiasBora> but maybe it's not the good way to proceed?
• 3495[23:14:03] <RoyK> try exec bash
• 3496[23:14:06] <mbnt> ttp://replaced-url
• 3497[23:14:14] <RoyK> tobiasBora: or just 'chsh /bin/bash'
• 3498[23:14:45] <RoyK> erm
• 3499[23:14:47] <RoyK> chsh -s /bin/bash
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• 3502[23:15:18] <mbnt> I have an m-audio soundcard
• 3503[23:15:23] <tobiasBora> RoyK: still not working...
• 3504[23:15:37] <RoyK> after chsh -s /bin/bash ?
• 3505[23:15:38] <mbnt> I am trying to get that operational. I can playback audio, but nothing comes out of the speakers
• 3506[23:15:47] <RoyK> if run as root, run 'chsh -s /bin/bash <user>'
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• 3508[23:16:26] <RoyK> tobiasBora: depending on how the userdir was created, it may as well lack the files from /etc/skel/
• 3509[23:16:31] <tobiasBora> RoyK: oh, you meant that I should run this as a command?
• 3510[23:16:53] <tobiasBora> oh ok I see
• 3511[23:16:57] <tobiasBora> let's try again
• 3512[23:17:21] <tobiasBora> RoyK: it looks like it's asking for the root password. But I'm a simple user
• 3513[23:19:27] <RoyK> tobiasBora: then ask the admin - anyway - adding 'exec bash' in your .cshrc should start bash, and if you copy the bash support files from /etc/skel (if theye're there, or copy them from somewhere else if they aren't), it should work
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• 3516[23:20:47] <mbnt> Alsa-tools, pulse audio, pavucontrol, alsamixer....what else can get audio fired-up?
• 3517[23:21:01] <tobiasBora> Actually, I think that somehow I managed to start as bash by default (maybe because I changed some SHELL variable in a file .env) because "ps aux | grep <my user>" gives me only the bash shell... But my .bashrc is still not run
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• 3519[23:22:29] <RoyK> tobiasBora: do you have ~/.profile ?
• 3520[23:22:45] <tobiasBora> Ok, I just copied the ~/.profile from /etc/skell, and now it seems to work...
• 3521[23:22:57] <tobiasBora> it's the .profile that loads the .bashrc?
• 3522[23:23:06] <RoyK> look into it ;)
• 3523[23:23:12] <tobiasBora> indeed!
• 3524[23:23:18] <tobiasBora> So problem solved, thank you very much!
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• 3528[23:24:56] <RoyK> tobiasBora: np :)
• 3529[23:26:06] <mbnt> Going to outer space, to find another race.
• 3530[23:26:56] <RoyK> mbnt: do you think that'll help anything?
• 3531[23:27:21] <mbnt> Absolutely. : - )
• 3532[23:27:39] * RoyK isn't convinced
• 3533[23:28:03] <mbnt> That's okay, when you're ready we'll beam you up to join the party
• 3534[23:28:28] <mbnt> Hot-diggity!
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• 3538[23:30:11] <RoyK> - I teleported home last night with Ron and Sid and Meg, Ron stole Meggy's heart away and I got Sidney's leg.
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• 3561[23:41:58] <spiez> I can install the kernel from backports but apt update won't update it. how can I make it automaticly? =)
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• 3565[23:44:39] <RoyK> spiez: iirc kernels in backports aren't updated automatically like those in stable
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• 3567[23:45:23] <RoyK> spiez: so either stick with stable, or update to whatever new kernel released in backports
• 3568[23:45:47] * RoyK sticks with stable unless he really needs something newer
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• 3585[23:51:02] <annadane> ^
• 3586[23:51:13] <annadane> just need things to not randomly break
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