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• 27[00:12:42] <NightKhaos> Anyone else having hash mismatches with the Chrome repo?
• 28[00:13:23] <markybob> NightKhaos: it's a testing problem (which is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) and they're aware. google is supposedly going to fix it soon
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• 30[00:13:51] <markybob> NightKhaos: it's because testing dropped sha1 support for repos
• 31[00:14:28] <NightKhaos> markybob: Thanks.
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• 33[00:14:55] <lordarkmemo> Hi, my debian machine is constantly crashing when i watch youtube videos or web pages with videos. Im using a lenovo laptope450, debian jessie 8.4 and iceweasel 38.8.0. When i enter youtube using google chrome i hear music but the video is not showing. Any help?
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• 36[00:16:05] <mtn> lordarkmemo: what is your video card and driver?
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• 38[00:16:26] <lordarkmemo> can you help me with the code?
• 39[00:16:49] <lordarkmemo> mtn: can you help me with the code?, please
• 40[00:17:04] <mtn> lordarkmemo: the debian wiki will tell you how to check your video card and driver
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• 46[00:18:31] <lordarkmemo> mtn: server glx vendor string: SGI
• 47[00:18:32] <lordarkmemo> client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI
• 48[00:18:32] <lordarkmemo> OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc.
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• 50[00:19:16] <mtn> lordarkmemo: so, you are running debian in vmware?
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• 52[00:19:27] <lordarkmemo> mtn no
• 53[00:19:30] <lordarkmemo> mtn: no
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• 57[00:19:51] <mtn> lordarkmemo: can you install inxi? then run: inxi -Gx
• 58[00:20:01] <lordarkmemo> mtn: ok
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• 60[00:21:09] <lordarkmemo> mtn: Graphics: Card-1: Intel Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics bus-ID: 00:02.0
• 61[00:21:09] <lordarkmemo> Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265]
• 62[00:21:09] <lordarkmemo> bus-ID: 05:00.0
• 63[00:21:09] <lordarkmemo> Display Server: X.org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
• 64[00:21:09] <lordarkmemo> tty size: 93x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root
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• 75[00:24:59] <lordarkmemo> mtn: paste.debian.net/683652
• 76[00:25:13] <lordarkmemo> mtn: i was kick
• 77[00:25:20] <mtn> lordarkmemo: is this a laptop?
• 78[00:25:40] <lordarkmemo> mtn: yes
• 79[00:26:10] <mtn> lordarkmemo: you have hybrid graphics, as you can see. please look at the debian wiki for help
• 80[00:26:11] <lordarkmemo> mtn: every time i go to youtube the laptop close session
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• 82[00:26:58] <mtn> lordarkmemo: you may need a newer kernel for the intel driver or an ati driver
• 83[00:27:16] <lordarkmemo> mtn: oh
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• 85[00:27:39] <lordarkmemo> mtn: can you guide how, or where to find information. The wiki have a lot of options
• 86[00:27:56] <mtn> lordarkmemo: google to the rescue: replaced-url
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• 89[00:28:43] <lordarkmemo> mtn: so, mtn, my driver is wrong?
• 90[00:28:57] <lordarkmemo> mtn: because i can watch videos using vlc
• 91[00:28:59] <mtn> lordarkmemo: read the wiki
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• 94[00:29:59] <lordarkmemo> mtn: ok, thank you for your guidance
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• 96[00:31:59] <lordarkmemo> mtn: understanding the inxi output. I have (2) cards installed? or as you said an hybrid. A Radeon and Intel Broadwell?
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• 98[00:32:14] <mtn> lordarkmemo: correct
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• 102[00:32:33] <tank743> Hi everyone, I am having some issues with nprobe ... replaced-url
• 103[00:32:52] <lordarkmemo> mtn: so, when i go the youtube, there is a conflict between the cards?
• 104[00:33:10] <mtn> lordarkmemo: why don't you read the wiki?
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• 109[00:34:06] <tank743> Hi everyone, I am having some issues with nprobe ... replaced-url
• 110[00:35:09] <mtn> tank743: please don't repost for at least 15 minutes
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• 144[00:49:32] <t4nk274> hi I need some help with nprobe
• 145[00:49:42] <t4nk274> I am getting the following error: replaced-url
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• 148[00:50:37] <devster31> what's the man page for systemd cgroups?
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• 150[00:51:07] <markybob> t4nk274: sounds pretty obvious, riht? you don't have a license. so you need to buy one.
• 151[00:51:29] <t4nk274> markybob: not the issue... it is on demo mode.. if you read further it accepts x amount of flows
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• 153[00:51:50] <markybob> t4nk274: anyway it's totally off topic. ask them.
• 154[00:51:51] <t4nk274> markybob: as it states " NOTE: This is a DEMO version limited to 25000 flows export. "
• 155[00:52:03] <t4nk274> markybob: it is not even exporting a single flow
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• 160[00:53:26] <jhutchins> t4nk274: Not a debian issue, it's an issue for the support people. If they don't support the demo mode, they're probably not worth considering. Many demos require a demo license (sometimes included in the download).
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• 163[00:54:17] <t4nk274> jhutchins: did some research and it seem it is not related to the license... it is related to the geoip library
• 164[00:54:47] <t4nk274> that's why i am requesting help here... already removed, purged and reinstalled the geoip libraries and still the same issue
• 165[00:55:09] <jhutchins> t4nk274: I think I agree with you. Perhaps there is a database setup step that has been missed?
• 166[00:55:09] <jmcnaught> devster31: what about systemd and cgroups? Not a manpage, but this is an okay overview of using cgroups with systemd: replaced-url
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• 169[00:56:10] <jhutchins> t4nk274: I'm not sure I agree about geoip being the problem, it's pretty solid.
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• 178[01:00:03] <devster31> jmcnaught: I noticed on some ubuntu installs that sshd has a cgroup assigned, I was trying to replicate the behaviour on debian, the objective would be to keep sshd responsive even under load
• 179[01:00:19] <t4nk274> well fuck it... fuck debian , going back to centos
• 180[01:00:47] <markybob> bye
• 181[01:01:17] <RoyK> the-my-two-cents-os ;)
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• 183[01:01:52] <quarters> hello. I was wondering how to use a bind mount to access a directory outside a chroot environment from within a chroot environment. I tried "mount -o bind /tmp/mnt/sda2/entware /opt" but it gives a "special device /tmp... does not exist" error message
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• 190[01:05:15] <jmcnaught> devster31: do you have libpam-systemd installed? did you disable "UsePAM" in sshd_config? i'm leaving for a bit, but those are what i would check.
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• 204[01:14:26] <garn32> just put together a new computer with an ASUS Z170-a mother board but I'm getting no sound anyone have any ideas?
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• 210[01:16:12] <mtn> garn32: Install and use pavucontrol. Check sound levels and devices in Output and Configuration tabs.
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• 212[01:17:26] <garn32> mtn: I see the audio device and the sound levels are set to 100%
• 213[01:17:45] <mtn> garn32: check both tabs as mentioned and check out ALL combinations
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• 218[01:19:50] <garn32> mtn: when I play music though rhythmbox I can see the bar moving under output devices but no audio
• 219[01:19:59] <mtn> garn32: check both tabs as mentioned and check out ALL combinations
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• 225[01:22:12] <garn32> mtn: I have checked each of the drop down options but no audio
• 226[01:22:31] <mtn> garn32: in the config tab? yes or no?
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• 230[01:22:53] <garn32> mtn: both the configuration tab and the output devices tab
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• 234[01:23:14] <mtn> garn32: when you choose a device in the config tab, did you go to the output tab to check sound levels?
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• 236[01:23:46] <garn32> mtn: yes I did each time it was set to 80%
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• 239[01:24:03] <mtn> garn32: and you did this for every device listed in the config tab?
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• 242[01:24:21] <garn32> mtn: I believe that I did, but let me double check
• 243[01:24:39] <jim> in sshd config, what is the TCPKeepAlive setting, and what made the default setting of yes be what the maintainer decided?
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• 247[01:25:07] <garn32> mtn: yes I cycled through each device listed
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• 251[01:27:03] <mtn> garn32: and you checked all your connections/cables, etc?
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• 254[01:27:31] <garn32> mtn: yes I have tried re-seating all of the audio connection
• 255[01:27:49] <mtn> garn32: does lspci -nn show your audio device?
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• 260[01:28:51] <garn32> mtn: yes I see my audio device '00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device a170 (rev 31)'
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• 262[01:29:28] <mtn> garn32: it might possibly need a newer kernel to run properly
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• 265[01:29:39] <jim> garn32, the pciid is missing from that (it should look like [abcd:1234])
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• 269[01:30:40] <garn32> mtn: ahhh, that would make sense given how new the motherboard is, it is onboard audio so would it still have the pciid?
• 270[01:31:01] <mtn> garn32: yes, if you used lspci -nn
• 271[01:31:55] <garn32> mtn: oops ran vv not nn '00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:a170] (rev 31)'
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• 274[01:33:01] <jim> ok, judd says: <judd> [8086:a170] is 'Sunrise Point-H HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 275[01:33:06] <mtn> garn32: replaced-url
• 276[01:33:23] <mtn> garn32: I would try a newer kernel
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• 280[01:34:36] <garn32> mtn: I'll give it ago, thanks for the help
• 281[01:34:44] <garn32> jim: thanks for the link
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• 283[01:34:55] <mtn> garn32: welcome. good luck
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• 288[01:36:53] <Mason963> I have a problem with two packages (two versions of a lib) which should be independent, but are marked as Conflicts, so it is not possible to have them side-by-side, I'm using Ubuntu, but someone said they are debian packages: liballegro4-dev and liballegro5-dev (I got the second from a PPA)
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• 291[01:37:18] <Mason963> so my question: is debian the right place to report the problem, or am I in the wrong place?
• 292[01:37:26] <mtn> !ubuntu
• 293[01:37:26] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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• 297[01:38:18] <Mason963> mtn: well I knew that at least, but aren't some packages in ubuntu used straight as-is from debian?
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• 299[01:38:38] <mtn> Mason963: either way, not supported in this channel
• 300[01:38:53] <mtn> Mason963: you would have to ask them
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• 302[01:39:10] <Mason963> mtn: do you mean that the ubuntu maintainer would get in touch with the debian maintainer if necessary?
• 303[01:39:27] <mtn> Mason963: no idea. go ask the ubuntu channel how they do things
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• 305[01:40:02] <Mason963> mtn: OKey dokey
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• 320[01:51:21] <tarkem> hi all. i'm using testing on a thinkpad x250. since kernel 4.5 the keyboard backlight lights up at startup and when the screen wakes from "dim state". can't find much about that, has anyone noticed such a behaviour ?
• 321[01:51:56] <Mason963> mtn: according to an other user in #allegro, on a Debian system, liballegro4-dev lists liballegro5-dev as a conflict, and liballegro5-dev lists liballegro4-dev as a conflict
• 322[01:51:56] <markybob> tarkem: ask the testing folks at #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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• 324[01:52:43] <tarkem> markybob: ok thanks
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• 341[02:00:00] <RoyK> <ot>it's quite amazing how an old steel bike frame sounds if you strike it kindly on different places</ot>
• 342[02:00:01] <Mason963> could someone confirm that conflict?
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• 349[02:02:40] <debby> hi
• 350[02:02:49] <debby> gnupg-agent vs keychain - what tool is better? :>
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• 357[02:06:11] <rjsalts> debby: what're you criteria?
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• 359[02:06:26] <debby> rjsalts: easy to use :D
• 360[02:06:31] <debby> fire-and-forget
• 361[02:06:42] <debby> I really hate it popping up the hood when I just want to use these tools
• 362[02:07:11] <rjsalts> debby: not that I know. keychain is the apple thing, right?
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• 365[02:08:29] <rjsalts> debby: although gpg-agent seems pretty clunky in terms of user interface
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• 370[02:09:11] <rjsalts> debby: using gnutls via the gpg agent is downright painful
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• 373[02:09:19] <mutante> i keep forgetting the command to ask the bot for package names, plx?
• 374[02:09:25] <debby> rjsalts: ok, so I should try out keychain :D
• 375[02:10:07] <rjsalts> debby: works fine for gpg keys for the most part
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• 377[02:11:07] <rjsalts> debby: never used keychain extensively, but I've had to deal with some weirdness with people trying to use their mac with keychain
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• 385[02:15:57] <debby> rjsalts: hm, thanks
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• 432[02:42:14] <Mason963> mtn: you were quick to pull the trigger on me, the two packages are indeed straight from debian
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• 439[02:47:17] <markybob> Mason963: he didn't mean they aren't in debian. he meant you're using ubuntu, which isn't supported here.
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• 442[02:47:44] <markybob> Mason963: he (and the bot were very clear). we can't help you
• 443[02:48:01] <Mason963> markybob: what difference does it make? I'm actually on Windows, does that mean I should not join the channel?
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• 445[02:48:11] <markybob> Mason963: i'll have the bot tell you one more time
• 446[02:48:13] <markybob> !ubuntu
• 447[02:48:13] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 448[02:48:19] <markybob> Mason963: read that and move on, please
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• 450[02:48:34] <markybob> "not supported" "offtopic"
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• 452[02:48:48] <markybob> !tell Mason963 about based on debian
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• 454[02:48:58] <Mason963> markybob: and like I said, the problem comes from a debian package, which that other distro you dislike happens to use as-is
• 455[02:49:09] <markybob> Mason963: you're now going on /ignore
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• 457[02:50:13] <naptastic> I did a dist-upgrade (Sid) and after a reboot, my touchpad no longer clicks when I tap it--it only clicks when I click it. How do I get the old behavior back?
• 458[02:50:32] <markybob> naptastic: sid suppport is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
• 459[02:51:20] <Mason963> how do I submit a patch to a control file?
• 460[02:51:24] <Mason963> namely replaced-url
• 461[02:51:33] <naptastic> markybob, thanks, forgot :)
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• 467[02:56:15] <mutante> Mason963: you can subscribe on the list for the maintainers of the package, it's at replaced-url
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• 469[02:57:39] <Mason963> mutante: thanks for the pointer. Someone in #allegro said he opened a bug against the package
• 470[02:57:41] <Mason963> replaced-url
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• 473[02:58:16] <Mason963> does it help to send a trivial patch as well? (I guess the problem is not so much the patch, as to why the decision was made)
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• 475[02:58:49] <mutante> Mason963: yea, i think the best way is if you mail that list and decribe it with as much detail as possible and attach the proposed patch
• 476[02:59:18] <Mason963> mutante: OK thanks
• 477[02:59:24] <mutante> and link to the bug too
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• 479[03:00:01] <Mason963> mutante: don't the bug reports get sent to the list?
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• 482[03:00:50] <mutante> Mason963: eh, yea. they do apparently. you can read the whole archives replaced-url
• 483[03:01:22] <Mason963> yeah I was just looking at the archive for may, and it seems a bit ... not very active
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• 485[03:02:07] <Mason963> it's mostly automatic messages from other components
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• 487[03:02:15] <Ho2k-bug> a quick (i hope) question...booted debian lxde 8.4 live 32bit off usb(unetbootin),on a atom n2600 netbook,does not boot as default so i use the safe mode.but very slow running and looks like only one core is being used when its a dual core ht cpu..any ideas?
• 488[03:02:24] <uniqdom> hello. How to enable direct IO (dio) in php5? which .deb package is needed?
• 489[03:02:30] <mutante> Mason963: make some of the -buntu people use Debian and volunteer :)
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• 491[03:02:37] <markybob> Ho2k-bug: that's because unetbootin breaks debian's installer
• 492[03:02:40] <markybob> !unetbootin
• 493[03:02:40] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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• 495[03:02:55] <markybob> Ho2k-bug: are you using windows to copy the image to usb?
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• 498[03:03:19] <Ho2k-bug> yes markbob
• 499[03:03:20] <markybob> Ho2k-bug: then you need to use win32diskimager
• 500[03:03:25] <markybob> !win32diskimager
• 501[03:03:26] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
• 502[03:03:44] <Mason963> mutante: I have a funny story about ubuntu, one of the main kernel devs said they are crazy, and no one wants to work with them
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• 508[03:05:32] <Ho2k-bug> how about grub4dos,copy iso contents to usb and run g4d on it-eg with puppylinux?
• 509[03:06:02] <markybob> Ho2k-bug: if you have windows just follow the install guide and use win32diskimager. don't make it more complicated.
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• 511[03:06:12] <Ho2k-bug> ok
• 512[03:06:14] <Ho2k-bug> ty
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• 521[03:09:35] <Mason963> mutante: one more question, if I look at the tracker for the package replaced-url
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• 523[03:09:46] <Mason963> replaced-url
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• 525[03:10:02] <Mason963> in which branch do I find the control file?
• 526[03:10:42] <Mason963> master then debian/control
• 527[03:10:45] <Mason963> Doh!
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• 529[03:10:49] <mutante> Mason963: i have no idea, "master"?
• 530[03:11:03] <Mason963> yeah, it was hiding in plain sight :-)
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• 532[03:12:28] <Mason963> I'll send a patch to the authors tomorrow, thanks for the help mutante
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• 575[03:46:45] <cerebro_> anyone know why I can't load the 'nvidia' module on jessie using the nvidia-legacy pkgs?
• 576[03:47:16] <cerebro_> anyone know exactly how the aliasing for 'nvidia-legacy-340xx' -> 'nvidia' should actually work?
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• 578[03:47:58] <cerebro_> lsmod shows me 'nvidia' is there, but when X goes to use it, it fails to load?
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• 580[03:48:56] <Kirito> I have two Debian boxes. One is my old box (Wheezy), one is new (Jessie). For some reason, TERM seems to be screwed up on my new Jessie boxes. On both Jessie and Wheezy, TERM reports as xterm. On Jessie, however, this is causing several annoying issues, including: home / end keys not working, pasting in vim results in pasted content being executed outside of insert mode (even with :set paste), broken 256color support. All of these problems
• 581[03:48:56] <Kirito> appear to be completely resolved by manually overriding TERM to screen(-256color)
• 582[03:48:57] <cerebro_> dkms happily builds the module
• 583[03:49:11] <Kirito> But the thing is... I'm not using screen. Or tmux, or anything of the sort o_O
• 584[03:49:21] <jmcnaught> cerebro_: did you make an xorg.conf file?
• 585[03:49:35] <Kirito> that was more tl;dr than I anticipated
• 586[03:50:02] <cerebro_> xorg.conf, referencing the 'nvidia' driver is in place (generated using 'nvidia-xconfig')
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• 588[03:50:56] <cerebro_> modinfo 'nvidia' fails, but modinfo 'nvidia-legacy-340xx' is ok
• 589[03:51:02] <Kirito> It may not even be related to Jessie vs. Wheezy though, maybe my datacenter did something weird when they set up my new boxes, but I have no idea what it is they could have done
• 590[03:51:08] <cerebro_> it seems like an alias isn't there somehow
• 591[03:51:14] <jmcnaught> Kirito: this is wa local shell in a terminal emulator you're talking about?
• 592[03:51:36] <Kirito> jmcnaught, Yes, connecting over SSH (even though I've been told a million times that's not at all relevant)
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• 594[03:51:55] <Kirito> Mate Terminal / VTE, works fine in Wheezy with seemingly the same setup, I can't find any obvious differences
• 595[03:52:03] <Devastator> jmcnaught just for you to know, I've formatted host with jessie defaults, installed just qemu-kvm, libvirt-bin, firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-realtek, during the installation of the guest I get kernel panics, but the installation seems more stable overall
• 596[03:52:34] <Devastator> jmcnaught I guess it is time to test my hardware and exclude that possibility from the list
• 597[03:53:04] <jmcnaught> Kirito: i usually use gnome-terminal and terminator (in gnome on jessie) and i haven't noticed any problems. maybe test with a brand new user account to see if it's a local per-user config issue?
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• 600[03:54:25] <Devastator> also thanks for your patience hehe
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• 602[03:54:27] <jmcnaught> Devastator: are you creating the guest domain using virt-manager GUI? Do you have a Debian desktop system you could test with to try and reproduce?
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• 604[03:55:08] <jmcnaught> Devastator: unless it's some choice you're making while creating the VM.. you've tried sticking as close to defaults as possible?
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• 606[03:55:34] <Devastator> jmcnaught yes for the former, no for the latter, but I guess I can come up with something
• 607[03:56:54] <Devastator> jmcnaught it is basically default, I choose "local media install", pick the image file, set OS as Linux, set Version as Debian Wheezy or later, pick the storage and done
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• 609[03:58:01] <Devastator> jmcnaught libvirtd seems to be stopping randomly as well, because I sometimes I get disconnected from qemu:///system
• 610[03:58:59] <jmcnaught> Devastator: that's interesting. on the host you could look at "journalctl -b -u libvirtd" for clues
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• 615[04:01:58] <Devastator> that's why I think something might be wrong with hardware
• 616[04:02:11] <Devastator> jmcnaught well, I see a few of these: May 12 22:32:26 morpheu libvirtd[682]: End of file while reading data: Input/output error
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• 618[04:02:17] <Devastator> that's not good..
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• 624[04:05:10] <jmcnaught> Devastator: i have some of those too actually so they might be red herrings
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• 626[04:05:23] <Devastator> jmcnaught hum..
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• 628[04:06:56] <jmcnaught> Devastator: how much RAM are you giving the guest while installing?
• 629[04:07:20] <Devastator> jmcnaught host has 4GB, I'm setting 1524MB for the guest
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• 633[04:08:11] <jmcnaught> Devastator: and this host is a box you have physical access to, or a dedicated server in some datacentre?
• 634[04:08:41] <Devastator> jmcnaught it's a box I have physical access to
• 635[04:09:06] <RoyK> Devastator: is the host low on memory_
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• 638[04:09:50] <RoyK> I've installed debian successfully with just 256MB memory on the guest
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• 641[04:09:59] <Devastator> RoyK doesn't seem like it, I've installed only standard system tools, ssh server and xorg to be able to run virt-manager
• 642[04:10:12] <Devastator> on the host I mean
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• 644[04:10:17] <RoyK> what is output of 'free'?
• 645[04:10:19] <RoyK> !pastebin
• 646[04:10:19] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 647[04:11:10] <Devastator> RoyK replaced-url
• 648[04:11:37] <RoyK> so that's obviously not the problem ;)
• 649[04:12:26] <Devastator> motherboard chipset is P35 (ICH9), could that be the problem? although I'm leaving default while creating a VM (i440x)
• 650[04:12:59] <RoyK> if the problem is with the guest, I doubt the mobo is the source of the issue
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• 654[04:13:28] <Devastator> at this point I don't know where the problem is anymore..
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• 657[04:13:35] <Devastator> host seems stable
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• 660[04:13:51] <RoyK> Devastator: anything in dmesg on the host?
• 661[04:13:54] <Devastator> except from the libvirtd stopping and restarting
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• 664[04:15:03] <RoyK> Devastator: dmesg | pastebinit
• 665[04:15:10] <Devastator> RoyK replaced-url
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• 668[04:15:37] <RoyK> Devastator: perhaps use dmesg -T
• 669[04:15:47] <RoyK> Devastator: but doesn't look like anything in there
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• 671[04:15:58] <Devastator> RoyK that's what I thought..
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• 673[04:17:01] <Devastator> I wish someone had a spare machine so he/she could try to reproduce my problems
• 674[04:17:29] <RoyK> I haven't read the full history - could you summarise, please?
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• 681[04:19:36] <Devastator> RoyK sure, I'm installing Debian 8.4 on this computer to learn how to use KVM, so I've downloaded latest Debian 8.4 netinst, put it on a flash drive and installed on the host. First time I used the kernel from backports, and as I'm new and having all kinds of problems, I've decided to start over with Debian 8.4 with its defaults
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• 683[04:20:28] <Devastator> RoyK I've partitioned my harddrive as this: Created a host-vg and put /, /home and swap there, created another vg for the VMs
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• 685[04:20:53] <RoyK> another VG or LV?
• 686[04:21:01] <Devastator> VG
• 687[04:21:04] <RoyK> no reason to use two VGs on the same disk
• 688[04:21:08] <jmcnaught> Devastator: you're using this exact image: replaced-url
• 689[04:21:13] <RoyK> but then, that shouldn't matter
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• 691[04:21:20] <Devastator> jmcnaught yes
• 692[04:21:26] <Devastator> exactly that image
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• 696[04:21:40] <jmcnaught> Devastator: have you tried booting a debian live cd to see if it works?
• 697[04:21:51] <jmcnaught> not for the installation, just to see if it runs okay
• 698[04:22:00] <Devastator> jmcnaught no, but I guess I can do it :)
• 699[04:22:08] * RoyK usually just uses CD1 for installations in case networking is messed up
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• 701[04:22:31] <Devastator> RoyK well, that's the summary of my story :)
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• 703[04:22:53] <Devastator> oh and host hardware is: Q6600, 4GB (2x2GB) and 500GB HDD
• 704[04:22:56] <RoyK> Devastator: I can't see a reason for things failing
• 705[04:23:07] <RoyK> should work
• 706[04:23:13] <Devastator> yes :(
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• 708[04:23:54] <RoyK> as for LVM, just use a single PV per disk
• 709[04:24:05] <RoyK> and a single VG for that disk
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• 711[04:24:14] <RoyK> and just use separate LVs on top of that
• 712[04:24:27] <RoyK> not directly related to your problems, though
• 713[04:24:47] <jmcnaught> the idea for the separate VG for libvirt came from me, so that members of the libvirt group can't do things to the LVs for root and swap
• 714[04:24:59] <Devastator> RoyK I was advised to use two, so that, when using the VG as storage pool, / and /home wouldn't be seen
• 715[04:25:20] <Devastator> is this image ok? replaced-url
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• 717[04:25:55] <RoyK> Devastator: should do - or use the official one - or are you using desktop on these VMs?
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• 719[04:26:17] <Devastator> RoyK I'm not, it will be my application server
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• 721[04:26:28] <RoyK> jmcnaught: a kvm guest won't have access to the host's LVM setup
• 722[04:26:29] <jmcnaught> Devastator: for testing, sure. also at what point does the installer kernel panic, and are you able able to show us the errors from the guest's console?
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• 725[04:26:55] <jmcnaught> RoyK: i know, what i mean is not being able to see the host's LVs in the libvirt storage pool
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• 727[04:27:15] <Devastator> jmcnaught the installer panics while installing the packages
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• 729[04:27:24] <Devastator> after tasksel
• 730[04:27:27] <RoyK> jmcnaught: that doesn't matter much - really
• 731[04:27:46] <RoyK> Devastator: just install the guest with ssh and basic stuff only - install the rest later
• 732[04:27:59] <Devastator> RoyK that's what I'm trying to do
• 733[04:28:10] <RoyK> ok
• 734[04:28:13] <Devastator> I only select ssh server and standard system utilities
• 735[04:28:15] <jmcnaught> Devastator: i was having strange crashes on my laptop until i installed the intel microcode package from non-free
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• 737[04:28:23] <robysath> aptitude shows GPG error for APT.spideroak.com. Is this related to SHA1 as per debian wiki? Looks like they were contacted so do I just ignore this until "they" fix it or is there something I should do manually?
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• 739[04:28:34] <jmcnaught> RoyK: no it doesn't really matter, i just like to keep things logically separated
• 740[04:28:41] <RoyK> jmcnaught: that shouldn't be needed on a vm :P
• 741[04:28:58] <markybob> robysath: if you're using testing, yes. and this isn't testing support. /topic
• 742[04:29:04] <RoyK> jmcnaught: an lv is logically separated from another vm
• 743[04:29:33] <Devastator> jmcnaught do I need to reboot after installing intel-microcode?
• 744[04:29:38] <RoyK> jmcnaught: personally, I like things to be separated a bit more - like physical disks for the root and a zpool or an mdraid for the data or VMs
• 745[04:29:48] <robysath> markybob: i'm not using testing, i'm using jessie
• 746[04:30:02] <RoyK> !testing
• 747[04:30:02] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
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• 749[04:30:24] <markybob> robysath: jessie still uses sha1 with repos
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• 751[04:30:41] <RoyK> markybob: erm - kidding me?
• 752[04:30:55] <RoyK> better go back to md5 to make things even worse :P
• 753[04:31:00] <markybob> RoyK: i try not to kid
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• 755[04:31:34] <robysath> markybob: thanks. debian wiki says repo owners should make sure their release files and packages contain SHA256/512. So should I just ignore error or do something manually?
• 756[04:31:44] <RoyK> and des56 for password encryption - yey!
• 757[04:31:49] <markybob> robysath: ignore until they fix their shit, i guess.
• 758[04:32:47] <robysath> I presume others on jessie should have same warn/error right?
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• 760[04:33:04] <Devastator> do I need to reboot after installing intel-microcode?
• 761[04:33:06] <markybob> robysath: i don't, but you have a frankendebian which isn't supported anyway
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• 763[04:33:12] <markybob> !tell robysath abou dontbreakdebian
• 764[04:33:21] <markybob> !tell robysath about frankendebian
• 765[04:33:34] <markybob> !tell robysath about dontbreakdebian
• 766[04:34:08] <robysath> markybob: ah, i'm getting the picture :)
• 767[04:34:09] <jmcnaught> Devastator: yes you need to reboot
• 768[04:34:33] <Devastator> jmcnaught got it, I will wait iso download to finish and reboot
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• 771[04:35:26] <jmcnaught> Devastator: it might not help, and i would kinda expect you to notice other problems if this were the issue, but it's worth a try
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• 774[04:36:28] <Devastator> jmcnaught sure
• 775[04:36:46] <Devastator> I wish I had another and better hardware to test it
• 776[04:37:07] <Devastator> 2010ish hardware is hum.. old
• 777[04:37:18] <Devastator> even older
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• 779[04:37:43] <Devastator> 2007ish :P
• 780[04:38:13] <RoyK> Devastator: do you have ECC memory on that one?
• 781[04:38:19] <jmcnaught> Devastator: you could also try looking at "journalctl -xn 50" to see the 50 most recent entries after the problem happens, see if there's IO errors on the host or something
• 782[04:38:23] <Devastator> RoyK unfortunately no
• 783[04:38:33] <RoyK> Devastator: old hardware isn't necessarily bad
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• 786[04:39:07] <Devastator> I really thought this hardware would be capable of running 1 or 2 VMs in a decent way
• 787[04:39:12] <RoyK> (unless you drag your old i486 with its 8MBs of RAM into here)
• 788[04:39:39] <RoyK> Devastator: does it have hardware virtualisation support?
• 789[04:40:24] <Devastator> RoyK yup
• 790[04:40:44] <RoyK> intel or amd?
• 791[04:40:54] <Devastator> Intel Core2Quad Q6600
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• 793[04:41:12] <RoyK> is vmx listed under flags in /proc/cpuinfo?
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• 798[04:42:53] <Devastator> RoyK replaced-url
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• 801[04:43:11] <RoyK> ok
• 802[04:43:20] <Ho2K-Bug> ty markybob, alls good.
• 803[04:43:25] <jaymaker> Hello everyone
• 804[04:43:45] <markybob> Ho2K-Bug: yay
• 805[04:43:48] <RoyK> Devastator: again - if you try to install that guest, where does it fail? is it random, or at a certain point?
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• 808[04:44:33] <markybob> i know smart errors can be stupid and not real...but the input/output errors he posted...i don't know.
• 809[04:44:34] <Devastator> RoyK usually while installing the packages after tasksel
• 810[04:44:45] <jaymaker> Would anyone be kind enough to help me with a little problem?
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• 812[04:44:51] <RoyK> Devastator: usually?
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• 816[04:45:06] <Devastator> RoyK yes
• 817[04:45:14] <jml2> jaymaker, as long as it is not windows, then i suppose maybe.
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• 819[04:45:26] <jml2> jaymaker, but it it to be about debian
• 820[04:45:37] <RoyK> Devastator: I wrote this little thing to just stress the memory of a runnning system replaced-url
• 821[04:45:38] <Devastator> RoyK, jmcnaught, live image gave a kernel panic about not being able to mount root
• 822[04:45:38] <jaymaker> Ugh! Hence why I'm in the debian channel :P
• 823[04:45:47] <markybob> jaymaker: you'd be surprised
• 824[04:45:59] <jaymaker> Anyways, I can't seem to update. I'll try to update and I get this error
• 825[04:46:01] <jaymaker> Error while installing package: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libp8-platform.so.2.0.1', which is also in package libp8-platform2v4
• 826[04:46:03] <RoyK> Devastator: you may want to try it to see if it can panic you machine
• 827[04:46:18] <markybob> !tell jaymaker about bat
• 828[04:46:21] <RoyK> Devastator: or you may want to power down the system and run memtest86 on it
• 829[04:46:31] <jaymaker> bat?
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• 831[04:46:34] <markybob> jaymaker: read what the bot said and provide that info
• 832[04:46:35] <Devastator> RoyK yes, that's what I thought..
• 833[04:47:16] <RoyK> a bitflip in memory can be rather bad
• 834[04:47:23] <jaymaker> OH! Sorry
• 835[04:47:30] <markybob> everything about it yells hardware
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• 837[04:48:10] <RoyK> a good bat is good hardware when some rightwing people come up close
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• 839[04:49:33] <markybob> RoyK: um...i think you got it mixed up. the hardware wasn't about bat. Devastator
• 840[04:50:01] <RoyK> markybob: no, I didn't mix things up, I was making a wee joke ;)
• 841[04:50:13] <markybob> oh. too late for that here :P sorry
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• 844[04:50:57] <markybob> someone might have to take over for me anyway. pretty tired. just fyi jaymaker
• 845[04:51:29] <jaymaker> thanks anyways marky
• 846[04:51:39] <Ho2K-Bug> same
• 847[04:51:41] <RoyK> markybob: np :)
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• 861[04:58:18] <RoyK> Devastator: did you try a memtest?
• 862[04:58:26] <markybob> damn i hadn't quit on him yet...and there are a ton of people here
• 863[04:59:02] <Devastator> RoyK I will have to try tomorrow because the computer is at my work..
• 864[04:59:29] <Devastator> I'm accessing it from my work computer via teamviewer hehe
• 865[04:59:42] <RoyK> Devastator: ok - try that memstress thing - just set vm.panic = 10 and vm.panic_on_oops = 1 first - see sysctl
• 866[05:00:03] <RoyK> erm
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• 868[05:00:27] <RoyK> kernel.panic, and kernel.panic_on_oops, not vm.
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• 870[05:00:55] <RoyK> just in case the thing crashes, it'll reboot and hopefully come up again as it should
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• 872[05:01:28] <RoyK> I've seen that program break systems with bad memory a few times
• 873[05:01:53] <Devastator> RoyK gcc -o memstress.c?
• 874[05:02:11] <RoyK> download the files from replaced-url
• 875[05:02:15] <RoyK> and run a "make"
• 876[05:02:22] <Devastator> right :P
• 877[05:02:28] <RoyK> you only need the .c file and the makefile
• 878[05:03:03] <RoyK> I haven't touched the code for years, but it should work
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• 881[05:05:01] <Devastator> RoyK how do I set kernel.panic and kernel.panic_on_oops?
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• 883[05:05:05] <Devastator> export?
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• 891[05:06:04] <RoyK> Devastator: vi /etc/sysctl.d/01-mystuff.conf
• 892[05:06:27] <RoyK> add kernel.panic = 10 and kernel.panic_on_oops = 1 on separate lines
• 893[05:06:40] <RoyK> run sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.d/01-mystuff.conf
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• 895[05:07:48] <RoyK> you can do it manually too - just echo 10 > /proc/sys/kernel/panic
• 896[05:07:49] <RoyK> etc
• 897[05:07:57] <RoyK> but that won't last over a reboot
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• 899[05:08:11] <Devastator> your program is running
• 900[05:08:25] <RoyK> got the panic setting?
• 901[05:08:31] <Devastator> yup
• 902[05:08:44] <RoyK> hopefully something will happen :)
• 903[05:09:01] <RoyK> seems to me something is bad with your hardware
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• 905[05:09:07] <Devastator> RoyK replaced-url
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• 907[05:09:21] <Devastator> time to wait hehe
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• 910[05:09:27] <RoyK> use a few more passes
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• 912[05:09:52] <RoyK> iirc there's a -p -1 or something there to use indefinete passes - don't remember
• 913[05:10:29] <RoyK> printf(" -p <passes> - set to -1 for infinite test\n");
• 914[05:10:32] <RoyK> yes
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• 916[05:10:59] <ataldis> i have intermitent problems with my front audio panel... any tips on diagnosing it?
• 917[05:11:35] <Devastator> RoyK started again with -p -1, but first time passed
• 918[05:11:41] <RoyK> ok
• 919[05:11:44] <RoyK> well
• 920[05:11:53] <RoyK> I'll be off to be soon
• 921[05:12:04] <Devastator> me too, 00:12 here :(
• 922[05:12:04] <RoyK> that program should need a little rewrite
• 923[05:12:19] <RoyK> Devastator: where is that?
• 924[05:12:27] <Devastator> brazil
• 925[05:12:31] <RoyK> ok
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• 927[05:13:42] <RoyK> nite
• 928[05:13:49] <ataldis> ah, hora de dormir mesmo, então. rs
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• 931[05:15:33] <Devastator> RoyK thanks! nite!
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• 945[05:21:54] <hypermist> well thats happened re-installed debian lastnight and im using more ram then i was on my old install
• 946[05:21:58] <hypermist> How does that work ._.
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• 952[05:23:41] <hypermist> and it has less processes than the old one xD
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• 955[05:25:43] <hypermist> wait it might not be
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• 965[05:34:07] <toruvinn> hypermist, what do you mean by "using more ram"?
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• 967[05:34:35] <toruvinn> hypermist, either you installed different debian (jessie vs wheezy), went 64bit instead of 32, or you're counting disk cache...
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• 971[05:35:36] <toruvinn> or you can have different kernel, different buffers set, literally whatever. ;-P
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• 975[05:40:09] <hypermist> i used jessie 64bit and it says rsys is using 182mb
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• 1016[06:14:22] <brownchickenbrow> Hello, there! I have just installed Debian for the first time and am having a lot of problems. I have managed to figure them out with the exception of whenever I try to use apt-get or aptitude or dpkg to install any packages I get the error message, "cannot execute binary file". search results don't seem to be relevant to my issue. Can anyone p
• 1017[06:14:22] <brownchickenbrow> oint me in the right direction?
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• 1019[06:15:03] <markybob> brownchickenbrow: which iso did you use?
• 1020[06:15:25] <brownchickenbrow> uhhm
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• 1022[06:15:52] <brownchickenbrow> On Debian's site, I downloaded the DVD rom of the AMD64 version, and then dded it to a flash drive
• 1023[06:16:07] <brownchickenbrow> does that answer your question?
• 1024[06:16:13] <markybob> brownchickenbrow: no
• 1025[06:16:20] <brownchickenbrow> how can I figure that out?
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• 1027[06:16:34] <markybob> brownchickenbrow: i assume you look at wherever you downloaded it to
• 1028[06:16:42] <markybob> brownchickenbrow: we have broken iso's is why i ask
• 1029[06:16:48] <RoyK> brownchickenbrow: are you trying to install 32bit binaries?
• 1030[06:16:53] <brownchickenbrow> are you wanting the filename?
• 1031[06:16:59] <brownchickenbrow> no, it's 64
• 1032[06:17:07] <markybob> brownchickenbrow: i want the filename and full url if you have it
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• 1036[06:17:29] <RoyK> brownchickenbrow: and your machine is 64bit?
• 1037[06:17:42] <brownchickenbrow> yes
• 1038[06:18:09] <brownchickenbrow> The site is replaced-url
• 1039[06:18:29] <markybob> brownchickenbrow: no. doesn't answer the question.
• 1040[06:18:43] <markybob> brownchickenbrow: that site has links to broken iso's
• 1041[06:18:47] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, they're asking if you installed anything outside debian repositories
• 1042[06:18:54] <markybob> not at all what i'm asking
• 1043[06:19:03] <brownchickenbrow> and the iso is debian-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
• 1044[06:19:17] <brownchickenbrow> I am unable to install anything. It is a fresh install.
• 1045[06:19:17] <markybob> brownchickenbrow: and your exact command to copy it over was?
• 1046[06:19:43] <brownchickenbrow> I don't remember. :(
• 1047[06:19:44] <RoyK> brownchickenbrow: sha256sum on that?
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• 1049[06:19:52] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, the error for a non setup apt, is not a binary execution failure, unless you don't have root privilege
• 1050[06:20:37] <brownchickenbrow> RoyK, I'm sorry?
• 1051[06:20:47] <markybob> brownchickenbrow: if you follow the install guide you'd do cp debian-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdX (not /dev/sdX1, block device, not partition)
• 1052[06:21:15] <markybob> brownchickenbrow: plus you do a sha256sum to make sure the download wasn't corrupted
• 1053[06:21:18] <RoyK> brownchickenbrow: check the checksum of the iso before you use it
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• 1057[06:21:55] <RoyK> brownchickenbrow: *always* do that - really
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• 1061[06:22:20] <brownchickenbrow> Okay. In the future I will look up how to do that.
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• 1063[06:22:22] <RoyK> brownchickenbrow: doesn't matter what distro or OS - just check it
• 1064[06:22:29] <jml2> if im correct, i think he said he installed debian
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• 1067[06:22:45] <brownchickenbrow> yeah, I'm using it to talk to you guys
• 1068[06:22:46] <brownchickenbrow> right now
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• 1070[06:22:55] <markybob> i don't really cared if he installed a unicorn. he can't answer basic questions so we can't answer
• 1071[06:22:56] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, that error i mentioned previously
• 1072[06:23:05] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, apt by default does not have its sources.list fully setup
• 1073[06:23:12] <markybob> he needs to answer those basic things before we can help
• 1074[06:23:14] * RoyK creates a new super-debian iso to redistribute to brownchickenbrow with a lot of super-extra software in it
• 1075[06:23:15] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, (by default only a cdrom source would be set)
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• 1077[06:23:29] <markybob> jml2: that wouldn't give that error
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• 1079[06:23:40] <jml2> markybob, so ask for a pastebin
• 1080[06:23:46] <jml2> markybob, maybe he's not quoting it properly
• 1081[06:23:50] <markybob> basics first
• 1082[06:23:57] <brownchickenbrow> I'm really sorry guys, I am really trying here. I don't understand what you are asking of me
• 1083[06:23:59] <markybob> there's no point to move on if you don't know where you're starting from
• 1084[06:24:06] <RoyK> markybob: such as supheric acid? ;)
• 1085[06:24:17] <jml2> markybob, that's why you ask for a pastebin
• 1086[06:24:19] <markybob> RoyK: now that one i got :P
• 1087[06:24:22] <RoyK> no, wait, that's not basic
• 1088[06:24:40] <markybob> jml2: pastebin won't answer the questions i've asked
• 1089[06:24:45] <jml2> markybob, it would.
• 1090[06:24:51] <jml2> markybob, you ask for a checksum pastebin.
• 1091[06:24:52] <markybob> jml2: okay. you can have this one. enjoy
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• 1093[06:24:57] <jml2> :/
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• 1095[06:25:06] <jml2> markybob, you don't seem efficient lol
• 1096[06:25:17] * jml2 tells markybob to take a break!
• 1097[06:25:24] <markybob> the whole point of asking basics is to be efficient and not waste time.
• 1098[06:25:35] <markybob> what you're talking about is nonsense
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• 1100[06:25:53] <markybob> sources.list doesn't cause that error because of dvd
• 1101[06:25:53] <jml2> markybob, to the point he even mentions he has debian installed and is using atm for irc?
• 1102[06:26:00] <jml2> markybob, that's a little too far-fetched imho
• 1103[06:26:20] <markybob> have fun then
• 1104[06:27:11] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, do you know what a checksum is? and its purpose?
• 1105[06:27:56] <brownchickenbrow> I'm really sorry I caused this to happen. I have been using ubuntu for about 6 months and thought that I was ready to try Debian. I am really confused and don't know what I am doing to make things difficult. I'm really sorry I don't understand. :(
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• 1107[06:28:04] <brownchickenbrow> Yes. I don't know how to check one
• 1108[06:28:13] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, md5sum file.iso
• 1109[06:28:16] <brownchickenbrow> jml2, yes
• 1110[06:28:21] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, there's winmd5sum for windows
• 1111[06:28:33] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, the md5sums will be in the same directory you downloaded the iso
• 1112[06:28:34] <brownchickenbrow> ...is that a command?
• 1113[06:28:37] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, y
• 1114[06:28:42] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, or "md5"
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• 1116[06:28:59] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, i think its md5 on osx.. i dunno what you used as the downloading platform..
• 1117[06:29:22] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, and there's sha256sum -- which you can check against the sh256sums file from the download directory
• 1118[06:29:35] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, it's the same thing.. but using a different algorithm checksum
• 1119[06:29:37] <brownchickenbrow> uhh, I was using ubuntu
• 1120[06:29:48] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, you only need to verify just 1 checksum algo
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• 1122[06:30:20] <brownchickenbrow> So I should open a terminal on my other computer where I originally downloaded Debian and type in "md5sum <filename>", the filename being the Debian iso?
• 1123[06:30:30] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, y
• 1124[06:30:39] <brownchickenbrow> Thank you, I will do that now
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• 1126[06:31:49] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, then you compare that output with replaced-url
• 1127[06:31:58] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, or the dvd which is elsewhere
• 1128[06:32:10] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, replaced-url
• 1129[06:33:50] <brownchickenbrow> The numbers are the same.
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• 1132[06:34:09] <brownchickenbrow> That means the file is complete, yes?
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• 1135[06:35:15] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, y
• 1136[06:35:25] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, so you have to setup your apt..
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• 1138[06:35:35] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, did you use sudo or "root" with apt-get ?
• 1139[06:35:46] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, here's what i do
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• 1141[06:36:12] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, i just lazily do this at the start then fine tune it later
• 1142[06:36:13] <brownchickenbrow> I used "su <username>" because it seems I don't have sudo installed
• 1143[06:36:25] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, cp /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list /etc/apt/
• 1144[06:36:30] <brownchickenbrow> lazy sounds good. I'm a beginner.
• 1145[06:36:33] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, apt-get update, apt-get install netselect-apt
• 1146[06:36:39] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, after i fine-tune it
• 1147[06:37:00] <brownchickenbrow> so the problem is that I can't install anything or update, or I get that error
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• 1149[06:37:21] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, try logging in as root
• 1150[06:37:29] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, (not sudo)
• 1151[06:37:37] <brownchickenbrow> uhm
• 1152[06:37:43] <brownchickenbrow> like in a virtual terminal?
• 1153[06:37:49] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, y in terminal
• 1154[06:37:53] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, can be in xterm as well
• 1155[06:38:02] <brownchickenbrow> because I am not presented with the option in the GUI when I boot
• 1156[06:38:05] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, (xterm=gui terminal)
• 1157[06:38:13] <brownchickenbrow> oh, I can do it in xterm?
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• 1159[06:38:24] <brownchickenbrow> what command is used?
• 1160[06:38:30] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, "su "
• 1161[06:38:34] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, then type root's passwd
• 1162[06:38:40] <brownchickenbrow> su root?
• 1163[06:38:44] <brownchickenbrow> oh
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• 1165[06:38:58] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, you can use "su -l" i think -- that might be better
• 1166[06:39:07] <brownchickenbrow> oh, ok, I'm in
• 1167[06:39:11] <brownchickenbrow> oh, too late
• 1168[06:39:18] <brownchickenbrow> should I try it again with that argument?
• 1169[06:39:25] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, you can if you want
• 1170[06:39:32] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, ctl-d logs out
• 1171[06:39:33] <brownchickenbrow> what does it do?
• 1172[06:39:35] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, or type logout
• 1173[06:39:41] <brownchickenbrow> is that an L or an i?
• 1174[06:39:43] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, su is for switiching to root account
• 1175[06:39:50] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, small l
• 1176[06:39:57] <brownchickenbrow> I mean the argument
• 1177[06:39:57] <brownchickenbrow> what does IT do?
• 1178[06:40:04] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, already told ya
• 1179[06:40:26] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, if you need help on "-l" , you can use "man su"
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• 1181[06:40:33] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, and type "q" to exit the manpage viewer
• 1182[06:40:40] <RoyK> brownchickenbrow: what does IT do? replaced-url
• 1183[06:40:42] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, that gives details on the options
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• 1186[06:41:19] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, -l can sometimes help to ensure the environment is set properly for the login user
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• 1188[06:41:41] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, cp /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list /etc/apt/
• 1189[06:41:44] <brownchickenbrow> I'm sorry, I'm waay behind you
• 1190[06:41:45] <brownchickenbrow> I can't log out
• 1191[06:41:47] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, apt-get update, apt-get install netselect-apt
• 1192[06:42:01] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, then debian is not for you
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• 1194[06:42:41] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, doing a checksum is much more harder.. if you can do that, you should be able to do this as well
• 1195[06:42:45] <jml2> brownchickenbrow, are you trolling?
• 1196[06:43:25] <brownchickenbrow> Okay, I was trying to be patient and polite, because you were trying to help me, but you are being a complete jerk
• 1197[06:43:35] <jml2> !ops brownchickenbrow trolling
• 1198[06:43:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jml2 complains about: brownchickenbrow trolling
• 1199[06:43:36] <brownchickenbrow> you are not explaining yourself clearly
• 1200[06:43:39] <brownchickenbrow> I am not an idiot
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• 1204[06:44:38] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: hey why don't you start again with putting the command you used and the full output on replaced-url
• 1205[06:45:22] <brownchickenbrow> jmcnaught Thank you very much, I will try that now
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• 1211[06:47:59] <aaronm04> Is there a lot of breakage with sid over time, compared to rolling distros like Arch and Gentoo?
• 1212[06:48:18] <brownchickenbrow> jmcnaught I'm really sorry, I have never used pastebin before. I keep getting errors because of the name, and now it says I need two linebreaks because of spammers?
• 1213[06:48:44] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: how long is the paste you are trying to make?
• 1214[06:48:51] <brownchickenbrow> two lines.
• 1215[06:49:13] <brownchickenbrow> Could I post it here maybe?
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• 1217[06:49:57] <brownchickenbrow> or; how do I add a line break? is it like an html tag?
• 1218[06:50:03] <jmcnaught> sure, two lines is fine in the channel, more than that use the paste site
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• 1220[06:50:35] <brownchickenbrow> Oh, I finally got it to work
• 1221[06:50:39] <brownchickenbrow> what do I do, give you the url?
• 1222[06:50:47] <jmcnaught> yup
• 1223[06:51:14] <brownchickenbrow> Thank you so much for your patience, I'm really sorry I'm making so much trouble
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• 1225[06:51:18] <brownchickenbrow> replaced-url
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• 1230[06:52:48] <deb> Oo
• 1231[06:52:58] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: so you're typing "su cwons apt-get update" cwons looks like your username. it also seems that you are already root. can you please try just "apt-get update" without the "su cwons" at the start?
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• 1233[06:53:43] <brownchickenbrow> oh wow! that worked!
• 1234[06:53:55] <brownchickenbrow> I was not root when I tried that earlier
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• 1239[06:55:57] <brownchickenbrow> so should I just log into root whenever I want to install something?
• 1240[06:56:55] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: only root can install stuff. you can become root with "su -l" (and then enter root password). When you are root the last character of your prompt changes from a $ to a #
• 1241[06:57:35] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: you can also install sudo if you're more familiar with that. "apt-get install sudo" and then "adduser cwons sudo" to put your user in the sudo group
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• 1243[06:58:48] <brownchickenbrow> I was tying su <user> before, but I did not use the -i. I checked the man page and I do not see a -i argument listed anywhere. This is when that other guy thought I was trolling
• 1244[06:58:50] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: since you're new and all, there's a lot of great material here especially the handbook and reference: replaced-url
• 1245[06:59:06] <brownchickenbrow> Oh, thank you!
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• 1247[06:59:34] <brownchickenbrow> I am very thorough with documentation, I will definitely go through this
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• 1251[06:59:49] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: that's "su -l" small l short for login. The reason you don't put a username in the command is because you want to become root, which is the default
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• 1255[07:00:19] <jmcnaught> "su -" is the same as "su -l"
• 1256[07:00:21] <brownchickenbrow> OH
• 1257[07:00:21] <brownchickenbrow> That makes sense!
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• 1260[07:01:06] <brownchickenbrow> I tried installing sudo, and it asked me to insert the disc that contains it...
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• 1262[07:02:13] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: well you can do that, or you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file to remove the CD-ROM lines. I recommend making it look like the example on this page: replaced-url
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• 1279[07:06:32] <brownchickenbrow> So all my other sources are commented out. Could that be because I installed debian offline?
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• 1285[07:07:42] <RippyDippy> Hi, does anyone here use the newsbeuter rss feed loader or know a thing about it
• 1286[07:08:20] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: yes. once you make it look like the example on the page i linked to you'll be able to install software from network mirrors
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• 1290[07:10:46] <brownchickenbrow> jmcnaught Sorry, I had much difficulty in understanding that page. I have managed to follow the directions and have successfully installed sudo thanks to you!!!
• 1291[07:11:08] <brownchickenbrow> jmcnaught Thank you so much!!
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• 1298[07:13:48] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: you're welcome. stuff will get easier to understand with practice and after you read up on the fundamentals
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• 1301[07:14:28] <brownchickenbrow> jmcnaught I am very excited to go through the documentation
• 1302[07:14:42] <brownchickenbrow> I love learning about this stuff
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• 1304[07:15:23] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: most of the documentation on that debian.org/doc page is also available as packages... debian-handbook and debian-reference for example
• 1305[07:15:45] <brownchickenbrow> handbook?
• 1306[07:15:57] <brownchickenbrow> you man like in the man pages?
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• 1308[07:16:53] <jmcnaught> brownchickenbrow: man pages are different, i mean replaced-url
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• 1310[07:18:39] <brownchickenbrow> thank you!
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• 1323[07:24:34] <StigAtle> Good morning
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• 1365[07:51:58] <Rust3dCor3> Hello. Im using stable. I have some issues with few apps. Should I consider moving to testing? Is it stable or the testing word is just there because lack of any other suitable word?
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• 1370[07:53:16] <jmcnaught> Rust3dCor3: you could very well end up having more problems on testing since it's not finished yet. What kind of problems are you having?
• 1371[07:54:09] <RoyK> !dontbreakdebian
• 1372[07:54:09] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is replaced-url
• 1373[07:54:11] <Rust3dCor3> mostly with minitube. it does not work (not fetching videos). somehow put 2.4 to work and it plays only some vids. testing has 2.5
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• 1375[07:54:49] <Rust3dCor3> but most of stuff is stable as a rock
• 1376[07:54:55] <RoyK> Rust3dCor3: my advice, if you need something new and fancy, use a vm for it
• 1377[07:55:03] <RoyK> !fns
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• 1379[07:55:15] <jmcnaught> Rust3dCor3: i don't know minitube, but jessie-backports has a recent youtube-dl
• 1380[07:55:24] <Rust3dCor3> RoyK: my pc is so slow that firefox lags. not mentioning vm
• 1381[07:55:30] <RoyK> !sns
• 1382[07:55:31] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 1383[07:55:42] <Rust3dCor3> jmcnaught: thanks for the fip
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• 1385[07:56:05] <RoyK> Rust3dCor3: low on memory? ;)
• 1386[07:56:22] <Rust3dCor3> RyoK: 2 gigs and slow processor
• 1387[07:56:35] <RoyK> Rust3dCor3: pastebin output of "free"
• 1388[07:56:39] <Rust3dCor3> RyoK: also slow gpu
• 1389[07:57:21] <Rust3dCor3> replaced-url
• 1390[07:57:21] <RoyK> well, pastebin output of "wallet" :D
• 1391[07:57:42] <RoyK> a wee bit of swapping there, but nothing bad
• 1392[07:57:56] <Rust3dCor3> my wallet is so free that i could start a new country
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• 1396[07:58:34] <RoyK> Rust3dCor3: hehe
• 1397[07:59:12] <jmcnaught> Rust3dCor3: you might be able to trade a bit of CPU use for some more ram with a zram swap
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• 1408[08:05:29] <RippyDippy> hey guys, I'm trying to 'cat foo bar > bar' but I'm getting an error with the overwriting
• 1409[08:05:34] <RippyDippy> is there a way to force this?
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• 1455[08:28:19] <mirazi_heket> hello, my debian 8.4 (mate) X crashes after launching youtube movies (tested in firefox and qupzilla)
• 1456[08:28:30] <mirazi_heket> where to start troubleshooting?
• 1457[08:29:51] <mirazi_heket> yuck
• 1458[08:29:54] <mirazi_heket> this helped media.mediasource.enabled set to true in about:config
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• 1519[09:23:20] <N3X15> Having some issues getting GCC to find libboost, despite having installed libboost-dev-all. ldconfig -p: replaced-url
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• 1645[10:17:55] <xx_> Hello
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• 1697[10:59:47] <dka> I have disabled ipv6 on my public interface, I don't understand how I can still access services through this protocole, the command "more /proc/net/if_inet6" show me that ipv6 is disabled on this interface. the command "netstat -anp | grep :::" show me a few services listening on tcp6, the command "telnet myhost.com 31828" show me one of them is accessible
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• 1709[11:04:38] <Rephlexie> how did you disable it?
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• 1745[11:25:06] <sda9> Hi guys. I've compiled kernel 4.1 on jessie, using make deb-pkg. Is it ok to have linux-kbuild-3.16 and linux-tools-3.16 or do I have to somehow get the 4.1 version of these too?
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• 1768[11:34:54] <jvava> hi, i installed gnome-screensaver, but i dont know how to appear a screeanserver to check input password work, please help
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• 1770[11:35:37] <est31> Anyone seen Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> ?
• 1771[11:35:45] <est31> or Martin Quinson <mquinson@debian.org>?
• 1772[11:35:52] <est31> what are their freenode nicks
• 1773[11:36:45] <jvava> est31, do you know how to run a screensaver?
• 1774[11:37:04] <cynicallemon> jvava, gnome-screensaver-command -l maybe
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• 1776[11:37:17] <jvava> i means i cant wait the timeout to enter screensaver
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• 1778[11:38:14] <jvava> thank you, cynicallemon, very great!
• 1779[11:38:24] <cynicallemon> no problem
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• 1796[11:46:14] <CyberJacob> Am I right in thinking that rtl8192cu is the right module for an RTL8188CU chipset using USB?
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• 1802[11:47:39] <cynicallemon> CyberJacob, i think so but that chipset is rather naff IMHO
• 1803[11:48:11] <CyberJacob> cynicallemon: yeah, got sent the wrong ones, trying to see if I can do monitor mode on them
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• 1807[11:48:57] <anao2> Question@ALL How to set auto-"N" on apt-get dist-upgrade for "config-files"
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• 1811[11:50:22] <cynicallemon> CyberJacob, you should be able to get the latest from realtek website anyway
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• 1816[11:51:01] <CyberJacob> cynicallemon: any idea if it supports monitor mode?
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• 1818[11:51:15] <cynicallemon> no sorry
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• 1823[11:52:14] <cynicallemon> is monitor mode for sniffing wireless packets?
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• 1831[11:56:45] <dutchfish> anao2, within apt-get there is an option (default behavior) to keep the old config files -o "Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold"
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• 1834[11:57:43] <dutchfish> anao2, mostly used on automated updates even within dist-upgrading. If this is really usefull has to be seen.
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• 1838[11:59:57] <dutchfish> anao2, regular backups needed anyway ;)
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• 1855[12:07:06] <Gerritjan> question im getting the error that i cant login as root with sudo gerrit in niet in het sudoersbestand. Dit incident zal worden gerapporteerd.
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• 1860[12:08:42] <bezaban> Gerritjan: user needs to be allowed to use sudo as defined in /etc/sudoers. A common (and default) setup is that members of the sudo group can run all commands, so adding the user to that group will do it. This requires you to log in as root first
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• 1862[12:09:28] <Gerritjan> i cant :S
• 1863[12:09:31] <Gerritjan> thats the problem
• 1864[12:09:38] <bezaban> you set a root password on install
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• 1866[12:09:43] <bezaban> su -
• 1867[12:09:50] <psylence> Gerritjan, does 'su -' work?
• 1868[12:09:55] <psylence> bezaban beat me to it
• 1869[12:09:57] <Gerritjan> oke im in there
• 1870[12:09:58] <bezaban> :)
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• 1873[12:10:14] <Gerritjan> and now i can with visudo add it?
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• 1876[12:11:19] <bezaban> if you want to use the sudo group you add user to group. I usually edit /etc/group, but there is a command for it too
• 1877[12:11:19] <Gerritjan> so like gerrit ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
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• 1880[12:11:19] <bezaban> or you can add the user with visudo directly to the sudoers file
• 1881[12:11:33] <bezaban> that looks pretty right
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• 1883[12:11:54] <Gerritjan> but do i need to reboot or?
• 1884[12:11:56] <bezaban> very right actually :)
• 1885[12:12:01] <bezaban> no, just relogin
• 1886[12:12:09] <bezaban> so you need to log out
• 1887[12:12:28] <Gerritjan> oke well did try it with out and it works :D
• 1888[12:12:34] <Gerritjan> thx bezaban:D
• 1889[12:12:35] <bezaban> :D
• 1890[12:12:58] <Gerritjan> now i can update and install new packages
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• 1892[12:13:03] <bezaban> that helps ;)
• 1893[12:13:55] <Gerritjan> well i hope i dont have any problem along the way before i can program in debian and setup the RPI
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• 1946[12:49:35] <ewew> Hi. Whats the status of bugg #689992
• 1947[12:49:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1978[13:02:33] <PaulePanter> Hi. Are there any other ways to restore permissions in `/usr/bin` to their default?
• 1979[13:02:36] <PaulePanter> replaced-url
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• 2002[13:14:25] <PaulePanter> Hi. Why does the following command remove the setuid-bit from `/usr/bin/sudo`?
• 2003[13:14:27] <PaulePanter> $ sudo find /usr/bin/ -user douglas -exec chown root '{}' \;
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• 2009[13:16:09] <shingouz> how can i figure out what the device file is for my microphone?
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• 2011[13:16:32] <PaulePanter> shingouz: dmesg
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• 2013[13:16:38] <PaulePanter> Maybe.
• 2014[13:16:43] <PaulePanter> What kind of microphone is it?
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• 2016[13:16:57] <PaulePanter> `sudo journalctl -a` might also help.
• 2017[13:16:58] <shingouz> nothing showing there of any consequence. just something plugged into the sound card input
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• 2023[13:20:31] <shingouz> looks like i either have to reboot and reread dmesg or remove/insert the sound modules. the uptime on this one is too high for any relevant information to sit in any acessible place. well... off to modprobing then
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• 2037[13:26:52] <dagerik> debian 8 do not recognize the .ovpn file
• 2038[13:26:56] <dagerik> I have installed network-manager-openvpn-gnome
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• 2047[13:29:41] <PaulePanter> shingouz: You have to look into ALSA and PulseAudio.
• 2048[13:29:52] <PaulePanter> shingouz: If it is no USB, you won’t see it under `/dev`.
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• 2050[13:30:11] <PaulePanter> shingouz: There is a alsa-info.sh script or so from the ALSA project, which might give you valuable information.
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• 2056[13:32:21] <shingouz> ahh... thanks PaulePanter. looks like this takes a little more work than i am prepared to do at this exact moment, i have to hack it later today. there are other more important things to do, laundry for instance :)
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• 2058[13:35:08] <PaulePanter> shingouz: No problem. I know the feeling.
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• 2069[13:43:08] <harmonious> oh hi
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• 2071[13:43:36] <Quatroking> can i install debian without also installing a WM
• 2072[13:43:58] <Johann> Quatroking: sure
• 2073[13:44:05] <harmonious> does anyone happen to know how to move this stupid thing?
• 2074[13:44:07] <harmonious> replaced-url
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• 2076[13:44:10] <Quatroking> is this an option during setup or something?
• 2077[13:44:15] <harmonious> just upgraded kali and hate the desktop
• 2078[13:44:21] <Johann> the normal installer ask you what "group" of package you want
• 2079[13:44:24] <Quatroking> oh neat
• 2080[13:44:27] <Johann> you can avoid choosing a wm there
• 2081[13:44:45] <Quatroking> I plan on re-using an old thinclient as a basic MAME machine
• 2082[13:44:48] <Quatroking> just a small project
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• 2084[13:45:49] <Quatroking> trying out the setup in vmware first
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• 2086[13:48:13] <Johann> Quatroking: just avoid installing the "desktop environment" set of packages and you should be fine
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• 2089[13:48:48] <Quatroking> Alright
• 2090[13:49:19] <Quatroking> will this still allow me to run GUI applications somehow?
• 2091[13:50:00] <Quatroking> I mean I can run gparted through x11 forwarding over SSH, does this work local too?
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• 2093[13:50:17] <Johann> no, you need to have an x11 server at least
• 2094[13:50:28] <Johann> and, most probably, a window manager too
• 2095[13:50:34] <Quatroking> I see
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• 2099[13:51:41] <PaulePanter> harmonious: Look for an extension for GNOME doing that. By default it’s not possible to my knowledge.
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• 2101[13:51:53] <Johann> but as you said you can use x11 forwarding if you need gui app but don't want a wm
• 2102[13:51:54] <PaulePanter> harmonious: But I guess there are enough answers in the Internet.
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• 2104[13:53:01] <Quatroking> Johann, oh right, because I have X11 running on my SSH client
• 2105[13:53:07] <Quatroking> Yeah that makes sense
• 2106[13:53:16] <Johann> Quatroking: still if you try to minimize your install you should try to administrate your server without gui app
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• 2109[13:53:39] <Quatroking> oh yeah I can do pretty much everything through SSH without a problem
• 2110[13:53:59] <Quatroking> it's just that stuff like gparted is just so easy
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• 2112[13:54:15] <Quatroking> also, just-in-case scenario
• 2113[13:54:35] <Johann> fdisk is too when you get used to it :)
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• 2116[13:55:32] <sexytime> what is the latest debian linux kernel?
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• 2120[13:58:11] <aypea[1]> hrm. have styles broken for anyone else? for me all but Adwaita and High Contrast are borked. I lose slider controls (or they're invisible)
• 2121[13:58:19] <zykotick9> ,kernels
• 2122[13:58:20] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc7-686-pae (4.6~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.3-2); stretch: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.3-2); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
• 2123[13:58:23] <aypea[1]> using sarge.
• 2124[13:58:29] <zykotick9> sexytime: ^^
• 2125[13:58:43] <sexytime> ah i see
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• 2127[13:58:50] <sexytime> ty zykotick9
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• 2138[14:02:50] <Quatroking> I don't suppose debian can be installed over ssh or something so that I won't need a monitor and an extra keyboard for installation?
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• 2141[14:03:05] <JustinHitla> I can't access nfs partition "/media/dn3_" and when I'm trying to unmount it, it says "umount.nfs: /media/dn3_: Stale NFS file handle", how to fix it ?
• 2142[14:03:29] <Quatroking> I mean sure I have a spare monitor but if I could just do it on my main desktop that'd be great
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• 2164[14:15:38] <ChrisH> JustinHitla: umount -f should fix it.... stale is server generated...
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• 2189[14:20:22] * zykotick9 hasn't historically had much luck "umount -f"ing stale NFS mounts...
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• 2193[14:21:01] <dka> Is there a way to completely disable ipv6 for everything ? (even docker)
• 2194[14:21:05] <dka> Is there a way to completely disable ipv6 for everything ? (even docker)
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• 2199[14:21:58] <teraflops> dka: why?
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• 2202[14:22:26] <Rephlexie> dka, do it via grub
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• 2219[14:26:31] <JustinHitla> ChrisH: "-f" not working either
• 2220[14:26:40] <lss9> what exactly is this 'pristine-tar' tool? I've not found a good explanation so far
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• 2231[14:32:43] <fred1807> does wicd-curses save changes to the /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf file?
• 2232[14:32:49] <Dagger> lss9: if two people take the same set of files and tar them up on their own systems, they generally won't get identical .tar files
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• 2237[14:33:35] <lss9> why?
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• 2241[14:34:14] <Dagger> different versions of tar produce slightly different files
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• 2243[14:34:26] <Dagger> even with the same version, there might be things like user ids different
• 2244[14:34:47] <Dagger> or an archive creation timestamp or something (I don't know much about the tar format)
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• 2246[14:35:51] <Dagger> pristine-tar lets the second person generate the same .tar file as the first person, by giving them a small delta file that contains all of the bits of the tar archive other than the files themselves
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• 2256[14:38:22] <JustinHitla> why would someone use pristine-tar ?
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• 2258[14:38:55] <JustinHitla> also you can always do diff on "tar -l" output of both archives
• 2259[14:39:03] <JustinHitla> and find out the differences
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• 2263[14:42:15] <Dagger> it makes it easier for people to get the exact original tarball for a specific release of a software project, without needing to keep a giant archive of all tarballs ever released for the project sitting around
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• 2265[14:42:31] <Dagger> (the delta file is small enough to go into source control)
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• 2270[14:47:03] <JustinHitla> its strange, I have stallen NFS link in /media/dn3_ and I can't go into it but I can open files inside that directory using links to files, if I do "cd /media/dn3_" it says "bash: cd: /media/dn3_: Stale NFS file handle" but if I do "cd /media/dn3_/_3/_9" it changes to that directory, why is that ?
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• 2273[14:48:13] <JustinHitla> and if I in "/media/dn3_/_3" and I do "cd .." I can't it says "bash: cd: ..: Stale NFS file handle"
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• 2290[14:56:11] <lss9> so I created my first C project and want to package it for debian. i didn't find a good tutorial for beginners on how to do so. any recommendations?
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• 2296[14:56:34] <lss9> the "official" docs are really hard to understand
• 2297[14:56:44] <jelly> the new maintainer's guide?
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• 2299[14:57:09] <lss9> yup
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• 2302[14:58:09] <p3rL> hello
• 2303[14:58:11] <p3rL> i need help
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• 2305[14:58:54] <p3rL> looking for help
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• 2307[14:58:57] <p3rL> any one ???
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• 2338[15:11:09] <afernandez_> How do i reload /etc/aliases after editing?
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• 2363[15:22:30] <jelly> afernandez_: depends on the MTA you use, sendmail and postfix have the "newaliases" command
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• 2376[15:25:32] <afernandez_> OK Thanks jelly
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• 2378[15:26:04] <afernandez_> I have several files and i have to search and replace the same thing in all how do i do that with vim? or vi?
• 2379[15:26:11] <ChrisH> JustinHitla: what NFS Server? automounter involved?
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• 2381[15:26:41] <JustinHitla> no automounter
• 2382[15:26:42] <dn> I'm trying to add a few rules to iptables at the same time as starting openvpn daemon with "/etc/init.d/openvpn start", but it doesn't seem to work. No rules gets added to iptables. Running apply-rules.sh from shell works fine (file just contains a bunch of iptable commands). What am I doing wrong? init script is here (shaved down a bit): replaced-url
• 2383[15:26:55] <greycat> afernandez_: in a single file, if you're already in vi, you can do ESC :%s/old stuff/new stuff/g ENTER
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• 2391[15:27:43] <greycat> where old stuff uses some flavor of regular expression syntax
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• 2396[15:28:08] <afernandez_> greycat: i can do it in one file but how do i do the same change in 100 files?
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• 2399[15:28:19] <greycat> Then I wouldn't use vi at all. I'd use perl.
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• 2402[15:28:32] <greycat> perl -pi -e 's/foo/bar/g' *mask*
• 2403[15:28:43] <afernandez_> perl? uhhh I do not know perl...
• 2404[15:28:47] <greycat> Now you do.
• 2405[15:28:52] <afernandez_> mask is for what?
• 2406[15:29:01] <themill> or sed
• 2407[15:29:02] <greycat> *.txt or whatever to specify the files to edit
• 2408[15:29:16] <afernandez_> oh ok
• 2409[15:29:17] <afernandez_> cool
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• 2411[15:29:29] <afernandez_> themill: and your sed command?
• 2412[15:29:59] <afernandez_> let say i have files abc abd and abf and i need to s foo for bar
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• 2414[15:30:13] <themill> sed -i s/foo/bar/ files
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• 2416[15:30:29] <greycat> s/foo/bar/g to do all occurrences in a line
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• 2418[15:30:43] <greycat> otherwise, it only does the first occurrence in each line
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• 2423[15:32:22] <afernandez_> Thank you all
• 2424[15:32:31] <afernandez_> of course i have to backup the files first
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• 2426[15:32:37] <afernandez_> can i do like a for loop?
• 2427[15:32:45] <greycat> Sure.
• 2428[15:33:00] <afernandez_> Ok thanks guys....
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• 2435[15:35:21] <JustinHitla> what if I just remove "stale NFS file handle" ?
• 2436[15:35:31] <sh00p> I have this flash drive on which I have created a gpt file system with /boot as a primary partition, and then an lvm partition... these partitions I have mounted and unpacked a debian system unto. I then proceed to install grub, but when booting from this drive initramfs drops me back to a busybox
• 2437[15:35:35] <sh00p> here is my fstab: replaced-url
• 2438[15:35:49] <sh00p> I believe that something is wrong with my usage of LVM
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• 2440[15:36:07] <sh00p> Anybody has any ideas?
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• 2446[15:37:52] <jml2> sh00p, wrong channel
• 2447[15:38:10] <jml2> sh00p, you said you using debian?
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• 2449[15:38:16] <greycat> It's on topic as long as he's trying to boot Debian stable, but we may not know.
• 2450[15:38:29] <greycat> #debian-boot on OFTC may have smarter people on this topic
• 2451[15:38:33] <jml2> by default fedora "forces" the user to install lvm
• 2452[15:39:06] <sh00p> i'm using debian 7
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• 2454[15:39:11] <sh00p> i just use fpaste cause i like it :)
• 2455[15:39:14] <jml2> sh00p, you're liar.
• 2456[15:39:17] <jml2> sh00p, #fedora
• 2457[15:39:27] <sh00p> i am certainly NOT a liar
• 2458[15:39:32] <jml2> sh00p, if you download debian you would of downloaded 8.4
• 2459[15:39:42] <sh00p> plz stop trolling me jml2
• 2460[15:39:53] <sh00p> i am debootstrapping debian 7
• 2461[15:39:56] <sh00p> for an embedded system
• 2462[15:39:58] <jml2> sh00p, shoot.
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• 2466[15:40:09] <jml2> now an embedded system. right.
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• 2469[15:40:27] <greycat> Nothing he's said so far has been self-contradictory or unreasonable.
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• 2472[15:40:42] <jml2> debian 7 came out like 1.5 years ago
• 2473[15:40:54] <greycat> !wheezy
• 2474[15:40:54] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
• 2475[15:40:56] <sh00p> i realized i had /dev/sdb2 for /boot in my fstab, i changed it to sda2, but same result
• 2476[15:41:01] <jml2> 2013
• 2477[15:41:06] <jml2> so make that 3 years
• 2478[15:41:13] <greycat> Just over 3 years, but it is still under LTS (long term support).
• 2479[15:41:28] <jml2> for people using upgrades that makes sense.
• 2480[15:41:32] <jml2> he's not performing an upgrade
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• 2484[15:41:53] <sh00p> look, this is for an embedded control system
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• 2486[15:42:05] <sh00p> i cant just update whenever a new stable comes along
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• 2488[15:42:27] <sh00p> i DO run deb8 on my desktop if that makes you feel better jml2
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• 2491[15:43:19] <sh00p> but to be on point, anybody has any ideas why I can't find my lvm partitions after grub?
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• 2494[15:44:33] <NoCode> Anyone know of a good tutorial on how to enable postfix and sasl/ anti-spam?
• 2495[15:44:46] <markybob> i think greycat's idea was good 08:38 < greycat> #debian-boot on OFTC may have smarter people on this topic
• 2496[15:45:25] <greycat> Either that, or wait an hour or two and ask again, and maybe someone who knows initramfs stuff better will come along.
• 2497[15:45:35] <sh00p> okay, i'll head over there
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• 2499[15:45:54] <sh00p> and it's completely empty lol
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• 2501[15:46:19] <themill> sh00p: wrong network
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• 2504[15:47:44] <NoCode> What's a recommended source for Debian 8 tutorials?
• 2505[15:48:01] <jml2> NoCode, i don't think there are any unfortunately
• 2506[15:48:10] <greycat> !handbook
• 2507[15:48:11] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
• 2508[15:48:12] <jml2> NoCode, there's the debian-handbook.info
• 2509[15:48:27] <jml2> NoCode, but imho tries to cut too much corners
• 2510[15:48:40] <jml2> NoCode, so there's also the debian wiki which is also helpful
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• 2515[15:49:13] <NoCode> ok
• 2516[15:49:16] <jml2> NoCode, if you're interested on other sources outside debian i can share them
• 2517[15:49:42] <afernandez_> sorry one more question the string i need to change is foo for bar in foo@email.com so i hqve to do sed -i.bak s/^foo$/bar/g ?
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• 2520[15:49:58] <greycat> Or narrow the question down a bit. If you're interested in a specific subject, we may be able to give more targeted answers.
• 2521[15:50:25] <greycat> afernandez_: ^foo$ will only match whole lines where the entire line is "foo", nothing else.
• 2522[15:50:34] <NoCode> Well, I have a debian server installed. I'm just looking for a nice tutorial/ nice way to get postfix running securely, and with antispam so my VPS doesn't complain, or I get banned from their services
• 2523[15:50:55] <afernandez_> ok greycat just want to replace foo for bar
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• 2525[15:51:03] <afernandez_> leave the rest of the line untouched
• 2526[15:51:07] <greycat> Then don't use the anchors ^ and $
• 2527[15:51:14] <afernandez_> ok
• 2528[15:51:16] <afernandez_> Thanks
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• 2543[15:55:02] <dn> If I need to execute a bash script when starting a daemon with /etc/init.d/openvpn start, will it suffice to just add the path to the script right after the "start-stop-daemon" line in the init script?
• 2544[15:55:18] <greycat> dn: what version of Debian?
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• 2549[15:58:01] <x-fak> hi
• 2550[15:58:06] <dn> greycat: 8
• 2551[15:58:10] <sh00p> for those interested, turns out i didn't have lvm2 installed
• 2552[15:58:16] <sh00p> thanks anyways
• 2553[15:58:21] <greycat> Then there ought to be a systemd service you can edit instead of a legacy init.d script.
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• 2556[15:58:56] <dn> greycat: oh alright, could that be the reason it doesn't work?
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• 2560[15:59:15] <x-fak> i need a dedicated server and i need a web server on it, i have to choose an OS for it? I can install Debian (32/64), Debian LAMP, Ubuntu workstation, Ubuntu server, CentOS, which one would you choose?
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• 2562[15:59:40] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2564[16:00:18] <greycat> You should probably create /etc/systemd/system/openvpn.service with lines to override the parts of /lib/systemd/system/openvpn.service
• 2565[16:00:21] <greycat> that you want to override.
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• 2569[16:01:14] <eschmidbauer> hi. how do i get a library packaged and pushed into debian stable repo?
• 2570[16:01:32] <eschmidbauer> it's very small, lightweight lib -- replaced-url
• 2571[16:01:33] <greycat> New packages are not going to be added to stable. That's what stable means.
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• 2573[16:01:52] <eschmidbauer> ok, how do they eventually get to stable? What is process
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• 2575[16:02:26] <greycat> They're uploaded to unstable, then they migrate into testing if they meet certain criteria, and then into a future stable release if they meet even more criteria.
• 2576[16:03:09] <eschmidbauer> so we need to package it and submit it to unstable?
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• 2579[16:04:54] <dn> greycat: so if I create a file in /etc/ststemd/system/ it will be run when starting the service?
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• 2582[16:05:52] <greycat> It will act as local overrides for the corresponding lines of the /lib version of the file.
• 2583[16:06:02] <dn> Ah
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• 2595[16:07:15] <dn> and it doesn't matter that /lib/systemd/system/openvpn.service is only a systemd target? it doesn't need to be a init script?
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• 2602[16:12:00] <thurstylark> where does the log for isc-dhcpd go on wheezy?
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• 2618[16:19:37] <erm3nda> Hi guys. Question: Does exist any way to add delay to the disc writting to certain partition?? I don't wanna add delay to the full drive.
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• 2620[16:21:02] <x-fak> which is the better version of debian 7 or 8? If i'm used to ubuntu command line
• 2621[16:21:26] <greycat> Use the latest stable version (8) unless you have a specific need for an older release.
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• 2629[16:26:26] <x-fak> greycat , someone told me there are difference between commands, he said ifconfig command is not working on debian 8
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• 2631[16:26:49] <x-fak> do you know if 1GB of RAM is enough for a web server?
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• 2635[16:27:48] <greycat> (1) ifconfig is still present, and is still deprecated, just like it has been for a decade. (2) I run a web server on a VPS node with 384 MB of RAM, no swap.
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• 2637[16:28:03] <markybob> x-fak: whoever told you that was too stupid to use the full path to ifconfig (/sbin/ifconfig)
• 2638[16:28:10] <greycat> It depends on what else the web server has to do besides cough up static files.
• 2639[16:28:19] <JustinHitla> why ifconfig is deprecated ?
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• 2641[16:28:39] <x-fak> greycat , ok ty, i can get a VPS with 1GB RAM 1Vcore 20GB SSD for 2$/month, is it enough?
• 2642[16:28:55] <greycat> !iproute
• 2643[16:28:55] <dpkg> it has been said that iproute is the successor to ifconfig and route and allows proper aliasing of ips rather than the old 'ip aliasing' scheme - read replaced-url
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• 2645[16:29:24] <greycat> dpkg, iproute =~ s/html,/html/
• 2646[16:29:24] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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• 2651[16:30:02] <greycat> x-fak: enough for what? What does it have to do besides serve up static files?
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• 2657[16:31:02] <nadersith> good afternoon, partners
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• 2659[16:31:37] <Quatroking> how do i mount a cdrom?
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• 2661[16:32:44] <JustinHitla> horrors
• 2662[16:32:50] <mutante> mount /dev/cdrom ?
• 2663[16:32:52] <JustinHitla> mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdroom
• 2664[16:33:09] <nadersith> replaced-url
• 2665[16:33:15] <greycat> Or simply "mount /media/cdrom" since that line is in fstab by default.
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• 2667[16:33:26] <greycat> err. crap.
• 2668[16:33:37] <greycat> Or simply "mount /media/cdrom0" since that line is in fstab by default.
• 2669[16:33:50] <erm3nda> Hi guys. Question: Does exist any way to add delay to the disc writting to certain partition?? I don't wanna add delay to the full drive.
• 2670[16:33:54] <Quatroking> I do have a /media/cdrom0 folder but it's empty
• 2671[16:34:02] <greycat> Quatroking: good.
• 2672[16:34:12] <greycat> Quatroking: did "mount /media/cdrom0" work as root?
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• 2674[16:34:28] <Quatroking> well I ran into a different problem, I don't seem to have sudo
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• 2676[16:34:42] <greycat> install it. it's not a default package.
• 2677[16:34:46] <Quatroking> oh
• 2678[16:35:03] <Quatroking> I must've installed that on my main debian ages ago then
• 2679[16:35:15] <nadersith> su, then apt-get install sudo
• 2680[16:35:24] <nadersith> and edit sudoers with visudo command
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• 2682[16:35:58] <Quatroking> oh what the hell apt-get is now asking for the install disk
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• 2686[16:36:19] <nadersith> is it connected to the Internet?
• 2687[16:36:21] <greycat> comment out the CDROM lines in your sources.list and rerun apt-get update
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• 2689[16:36:24] <jml2> Quatroking, you cant if you used the usb stick
• 2690[16:36:25] <Quatroking> it should be
• 2691[16:36:36] <nadersith> do as greycat says
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• 2693[16:36:46] <jml2> Quatroking, want a quick fix?
• 2694[16:36:52] <x-fak> <greycat> x-fak: enough for what? What does it have to do besides serve up static files? <-installing PHPMyADMIN, maybe something like webmin, using a database and wordpress
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• 2696[16:37:00] <Quatroking> remind me where sources.list is again?
• 2697[16:37:02] <jml2> Quatroking, maybe i'll try my luck with you.. there was an earlier clown some time ago tehehe
• 2698[16:37:10] <Quatroking> jml2, sure I guess
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• 2701[16:37:23] <jml2> Quatroking, but you have to promise me you'll do what i quote :)
• 2702[16:37:27] <nadersith> Quatroking: /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 2704[16:37:31] <greycat> x-fak: It's not for you? You're setting this up for other people?
• 2705[16:37:35] <Quatroking> nadersith, thanks
• 2706[16:37:37] <Quatroking> jml2, sure
• 2707[16:37:38] <nadersith> Quatroking: edit it as root
• 2708[16:37:40] <jml2> Quatroking, cp /usr/share/apt/examples/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 2710[16:37:43] <jml2> Quatroking, apt-get update
• 2711[16:37:52] <jml2> Quatroking, apt-get install netselect-apt
• 2712[16:37:59] <jml2> Quatroking, tell me when you do those 3
• 2713[16:38:10] <jml2> Quatroking, then we can fine-tune the sources.list for a closer mirror
• 2714[16:38:14] <Quatroking> Don't have na examples folder there
• 2715[16:38:17] <Quatroking> an*
• 2716[16:38:19] <x-fak> greycat , it's for me
• 2717[16:38:23] <markybob> jml2: at least give him the proper path
• 2718[16:38:25] <jml2> Quatroking, sry that's ->
• 2719[16:38:31] <jml2> Quatroking, /usr/share/doc/apt/<> ..
• 2720[16:38:42] <greycat> Then you don't want all that crap. webmin is evil and should never be used, ever. You don't need a control panel or anything like that.
• 2721[16:38:51] <jml2> people still using webmin?
• 2722[16:38:57] <greycat> !webmin
• 2723[16:38:57] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
• 2724[16:39:03] <jml2> there's so many things way better
• 2725[16:39:13] <mutante> like "plesk" ,lol, kidding
• 2726[16:39:57] <greycat> But to answer your actual question, yes, 1 GB of RAM should be more than enough to run a web server with PHP and wordpress.
• 2727[16:40:01] <jml2> Quatroking, btw, do it as "root" (su -l<enter>)
• 2728[16:40:15] <Quatroking> Yeah I was in root
• 2729[16:40:26] <jml2> Quatroking, so, everything passed?
• 2730[16:40:28] <jelly> mutante: plesk is actually really nice to give to a bunch of less qualified admins to manage
• 2731[16:40:36] <mutante> oh god, looks like webmin now has "cloudmin"
• 2732[16:40:39] <Quatroking> Yeah, it downloaded sudo
• 2733[16:40:40] <Quatroking> thanks
• 2734[16:40:59] <jml2> Quatroking, you done?
• 2735[16:41:03] <mutante> jelly: lol, no. it was once part of my job to support people who use plesk.. never ever again
• 2736[16:41:06] <jml2> Quatroking, you don't want to fine tune that sources.list?
• 2737[16:41:07] <Quatroking> Yup
• 2738[16:41:10] <jml2> Quatroking, ok
• 2739[16:41:19] <jml2> :)
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• 2742[16:41:40] <jelly> mutante: that just means you grew above that pay grade
• 2743[16:42:01] <jelly> dealing with end users != managing a system
• 2744[16:42:09] <mutante> jelly: no, it means plesk is shit and their business support does too
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• 2759[16:45:07] <SanchoPensa> hi guys! does anybody know, how far along reproducible builds are for debian?
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• 2769[16:50:40] <jml2> SanchoPensa, there's another channel for this on oftc
• 2770[16:51:04] <SanchoPensa> isee, thanx bro!
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• 2788[16:59:13] <afernandez_> greycat: and themill Thanks for all the help I have acomplished what I need it .
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• 2796[17:00:38] <jml2> afernandez_, butt kisser!
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• 2798[17:01:17] <afernandez_> :)
• 2799[17:01:18] <jml2> SanchoPensa, welcome
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• 2801[17:01:37] <toruvinn> some butts are quite kissab^U ;-)
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• 2848[17:21:06] <teraflops> !song
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• 2850[17:21:31] <teraflops> ^ oops
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• 2901[17:39:46] <akiTendo> I’m having trouble getting Apache to autostart on a vagrant vm - Debian Wheezy OS.
• 2902[17:39:54] <akiTendo> It starts after boot just fine.
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• 2905[17:41:01] <akiTendo> I’ve ran this command: sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults
• 2906[17:41:14] <akiTendo> But that just returns: update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
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• 2912[17:42:50] <akiTendo> Would removing it and re adding it help?
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• 2914[17:43:32] <BinBasher> Been trying to install an old game (UT2004) without any luck... Could anyone try to help me or confirm that it is impossible?
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• 2916[17:45:01] <BinBasher> or just Unreal Tournament in general, no luck in installing
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• 2925[17:46:36] <mwillbanks> does anyone have any information on how to interface with the SystemUpdates from systemd for offline system updates using jessie? replaced-url
• 2926[17:46:48] <markybob> BinBasher: i know codeweavers supports it
• 2927[17:47:17] <mwillbanks> more or less, trying to determine a way of implementing it but i haven't found any specifics on if and how jessie will work with it yet.
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• 2936[17:51:37] <jml2> akiTendo, it should give output as to what it did
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• 2939[17:52:27] <jml2> akiTendo, if apache is enabled you'll see it as an S entry in /etc/rc2.d/
• 2940[17:52:49] <akiTendo> It is. I figured out what was going wrong - it’s vagrant.
• 2941[17:53:02] <jml2> akiTendo, is apache running?
• 2942[17:53:06] <jml2> akiTendo, (netstat -plunt)
• 2943[17:53:10] <akiTendo> On the maching /var/replaced-url
• 2944[17:53:28] <akiTendo> Debian tries to start apache before vagrant completes that mount, crashing on start.
• 2945[17:53:51] <akiTendo> The solution is to have vagrant call for a restart at the tail of its startup script.
• 2946[17:54:11] <akiTendo> A little sloppy, but it’s a sandbox vm.
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• 2948[17:54:27] <jml2> akiTendo, btw there's #vagrant
• 2949[17:54:38] <akiTendo> I am in that channel too.
• 2950[17:54:58] <akiTendo> I was unclear whether it was a Debian issue of vagrant issue when I first hit the error.
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• 2953[17:55:15] <akiTendo> And why aren’t my fingers finding the right letter keys this morning??
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• 2955[17:55:36] <jml2> akiTendo, i believe it's a vagrant issue
• 2956[17:55:47] <akiTendo> It is, but I have a solution.
• 2957[17:55:50] <jml2> akiTendo, apache on a true debian system always works -- i've been using apache for years actually on debian
• 2958[17:56:17] <jml2> akiTendo, so it surprises me, because even then "replaced-url
• 2959[17:56:32] <akiTendo> Read my comment above - the problem was an attempt to start the server before the drive containing all the websites is mounted.
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• 2964[17:57:49] <akiTendo> The work around is just to let it fail then have vagrant call for start after mounting the drive.
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• 2968[17:58:18] <akiTendo> If the machine internally reboots it should be fine - virtualbox should maintain the nfs mount in that unlikely event.
• 2969[17:58:21] <teraflops> jml2: what the hell does "apache on a true debian system always works" mean?
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• 2971[17:59:01] <akiTendo> teraflops: I think he’s referencing the fact I’m running it on a vm, not on bare metal.
• 2972[17:59:04] <jml2> teraflops, he said he was on #vagrant... he was already saying it was a vagrant issue
• 2973[17:59:21] <jml2> teraflops, dunno how much modifications were made on his debian template machine (it's a virtual machine)
• 2974[17:59:47] <jml2> (if he even bothered to read what and why)
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• 2976[18:00:16] <akiTendo> jml2: Heh heh. Well thanks. It’s true, vm’s have their idiosyncracies.
• 2977[18:00:27] <akiTendo> Better than the headache that is MAMP though.
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• 2980[18:01:15] <akiTendo> I’m trying to get my company off that monstrosity onto something where the server deployments, including the sandboxes, can be completely automated through ansible.
• 2981[18:02:00] <jml2> some providers completely rip things out of their templates.. i know for a fact ovh doesn't...
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• 2985[18:03:12] <akiTendo> True. Still, I’m hoping a vm will be at least slightly more accurate for developing webscripts. At the very least it will be case sensitive (OSX and therefor MAMP is not)
• 2986[18:03:16] <teraflops> but the issue is related to nfs if I read it properly
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• 2988[18:03:36] <jml2> dunno
• 2989[18:03:39] <jml2> you'll have to find out :)
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• 2991[18:04:13] <akiTendo> teraflops: It is, sorta. The issue is things have to happen in a certain order - the webserver needs to happen after the NFS mount completes.
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• 2996[18:06:56] <akiTendo> jml2: Ya. Well, I got PHP to compile and run using almost the same ./configure as Media Temple used, so I’m hoping that will be sufficient to stop surprises (almost in I left out the disable-debug flag)
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• 2998[18:06:59] <jair> hello guys, in today's days what determines the name of the interfaces when we are installing linux? "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent...?
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• 3002[18:07:46] <jelly> jair: on debian 8? yes. probably be different when 9 comes out
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• 3005[18:07:51] <jml2> jair, last i read there was a new convention for all linux.. dunno if debian will be adopting that -- it's what fedora is already using i think
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• 3008[18:08:06] <jair> I did a fresh install on a thinkpad X1 carbon 2016 and noticed that the interfaces are named something very weird
• 3009[18:08:16] <jelly> jair: fresh install of what?
• 3010[18:08:21] <jelly> which debian release?
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• 3013[18:08:30] <jml2> jair, like enc****
• 3014[18:08:37] <jml2> jair, yeah that would be fine :)
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• 3016[18:08:47] <jml2> jair, it's the new standard for all linux ...
• 3017[18:09:00] <jml2> jair, it would start with e*
• 3018[18:09:08] <jml2> jair, i've never seen it on debian "yet"
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• 3020[18:09:47] <jml2> jair, (lwn.net)
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• 3023[18:10:24] <jair> I am using "unstable" sid
• 3024[18:10:49] <jml2> jair, can i see ifconfig -a ?
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• 3026[18:10:53] <jml2> jair, (pastebin)
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• 3028[18:11:04] <jair> hold on booting up the machine
• 3029[18:11:19] <teraflops> jair: well, that's why. it's fine
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• 3034[18:12:14] <RippyDippy> I have a boolean variable in my .bashrc, how can I switch its state for perminently. I tried using export, but that only was temporary
• 3035[18:12:28] <jml2> RippyDippy, ~/.profile
• 3036[18:12:52] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3037[18:12:56] <jair> jair@x1:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
• 3038[18:12:56] <jair> stretch/sid
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• 3041[18:14:14] <jair> jml2: replaced-url
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• 3045[18:14:29] <jml2> jair, interesting
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• 3047[18:14:38] <jair> jelly: replaced-url
• 3048[18:14:41] <jml2> jair, thanks ... so they are really implementing and keeping this
• 3049[18:14:50] <jelly> jair: is that an actual debian installation or a derivative?
• 3050[18:14:53] <jair> so it is really weird name
• 3051[18:15:08] <jelly> jair: what does "lsb_release -sc" say
• 3052[18:15:17] <RippyDippy> jml2: No, I mean, a command to flip the boolean, back and forth in .bashrc, how would profile help that?
• 3053[18:15:32] <jml2> jair, if i had a bookmark to that year article .. you might be able to find the explanation as to why linux is adopting this
• 3054[18:15:45] <jml2> RippyDippy, you mean like shopt ?
• 3055[18:16:18] <jair> jelly: It is a derivative
• 3056[18:16:38] <RippyDippy> jml2: I mean like... export, but actually globally changing the variable
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• 3058[18:16:56] <teraflops> jair: does it really matter? you'll get used to it. replaced-url
• 3059[18:16:58] <greycat> RippyDippy: you cannot change every instance of an enviroment variable in every running process.
• 3060[18:17:13] <jml2> RippyDippy, you mean for all users?
• 3061[18:17:19] <greycat> Not even for yourself.
• 3062[18:17:23] <jelly> jair: you want to ask in the support venue for that derivative, then
• 3063[18:17:24] <jml2> RippyDippy, you might look at /etc/environment or /etc/profile
• 3064[18:17:36] <greycat> Change the variable assignment in your dot files, then log out and back in.
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• 3066[18:17:51] <greycat> Already-running processes will retain their variables.
• 3067[18:17:57] <jair> teraflops: that is not a problem actually, the point is, can I modify it and add the name I want like eth0, eth1, or lan1, lan2 etc...
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• 3069[18:18:31] <teraflops> jair: why? anyway read the link I pasted above
• 3070[18:18:34] <jelly> greycat: I wonder why no bash or zsh enthusiast hasn't whipped up an async way to update env.vars, perhaps with a pre-prompt fucntion
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• 3072[18:18:55] <RippyDippy> greycat: I would like to flip it and then refresh my bashrc,
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• 3076[18:19:05] <RippyDippy> loging in and out would defeat the purpose
• 3077[18:19:08] <jelly> it'd be just for interactive shells, but that may be good enough
• 3078[18:19:14] <greycat> RippyDippy: in ONE SHELL? That you can do. Edit the .bashrc and then exec bash. THAT ONE SHELL will be updated.
• 3079[18:19:25] <greycat> RippyDippy: but your other 94 shells will not.
• 3080[18:19:33] <jair> teraflops: thanks for the article
• 3081[18:19:35] <greycat> Nor will your window manager, if you are inheriting it from a window manager, etc.
• 3082[18:19:37] <teraflops> jair: np
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• 3084[18:20:17] <NoCode> Hopefully this tutorial works well: replaced-url
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• 3087[18:21:07] <jml2> jair, sometimes when "eth0" is "eth1", i can edit something in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ... but i don't know about the new convention with e* interfaces .. it may work or not
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• 3089[18:21:08] <jelly> !tutorials
• 3090[18:21:09] <markybob> NoCode: it might work but you'd be stupid for using squirrelmail
• 3091[18:21:11] <dpkg> A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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• 3094[18:21:43] <jelly> markybob: squirrelmail is fugly but probably better security-wise than the popular thing
• 3095[18:22:13] <markybob> jelly: how do you figure? last release 2011
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• 3097[18:22:26] <teraflops> NoCode: that tutorial is outdated as hell
• 3098[18:22:27] <pflanze> Hello. Does anyone know how to load third party firmware from the installer? When it asks whether to load some from removable media, I choose "Yes" while a flash drive containing it is plugged in, I hit enter, it takes a minute, then just goes back asking me again.
• 3099[18:22:45] <markybob> jelly: no up to date php support...
• 3100[18:22:56] <markybob> jelly: it's deserted
• 3101[18:23:23] <jml2> pflanze, there's the non-free installer which includes the firmware you might need
• 3102[18:23:27] <RippyDippy> Ok so this is not going to work I guess
• 3103[18:23:42] <jair> jml2: yes it will be interesting to find out
• 3104[18:23:50] <jml2> pflanze, i think you need to use the expert mode of the installer to use side-
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• 3106[18:23:55] <greycat> RippyDippy: what are you actually trying to do?
• 3107[18:23:56] <m_b> hello there
• 3108[18:24:04] <jml2> pflanze, ./side-storage
• 3109[18:24:18] <jml2> jair, you've mentioned up that you're using a debian derivative..
• 3110[18:24:23] <jml2> jair, so hmm
• 3111[18:24:28] <jelly> markybob: 1.4-stable svn branch is 7 days old
• 3112[18:24:45] <m_b> Actually I'm getting totally mad with the Debian installer program
• 3113[18:24:45] <jair> jml2: no worries man, that article you gave me is excellent
• 3114[18:24:50] <markybob> jelly: i did say release. releases are important.
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• 3117[18:25:29] <m_b> That's impossible to finish properly a basic instalation with LUKS and LVM on UEFI hardware.
• 3118[18:25:31] <RippyDippy> greycat: I have silly if statement in my bash that prints out a bunch of rediculous WatchDogs themed stuff. It withing an if statement, meaning if $watchDogs == true, so all this silly stuff.
• 3119[18:25:46] <jml2> jair, ? dont think i gave any XD
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• 3121[18:25:54] <RippyDippy> greycat: But I dont want it on at all times, just when I flip the switch
• 3122[18:25:57] <m_b> Impossible to install grub, maybe somebody have an idea why ?
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• 3124[18:25:59] <greycat> RippyDippy: what, you mean a function? An alias? A script?
• 3125[18:26:03] <jml2> jair, i mentioned lwn.net, but didnt look too far
• 3126[18:26:06] <NoCode> I've only ever had to learn how to configure my server with tutorials. Some things have failed, but some other things have been learned already. A lot of people learn differently than others. I'm rather a person who learns by example and can often get things working after being shown(by tutorial). No I wouldn't have survived Linux 15 years ago. But today I can.
• 3127[18:26:12] <greycat> What are you doing the variable, and where/how are you doing it?
• 3128[18:26:31] <jml2> jair, all i recall is reading about a new convention with linux interfaces.. though i dont know how distros will handle it -- either they'll embrace it or try to keep eth0,eth1...
• 3129[18:26:38] <NoCode> teraflops, What's outdated in it?
• 3130[18:26:53] <jelly> markybob: yeah, but so are CVEs
• 3131[18:26:54] <m_b> I'm trying a very standard installation, no exotics things, only select proposed choices
• 3132[18:26:56] <RippyDippy> greycat: None. Its just there to prinf a few things when the terminal opens.
• 3133[18:26:58] <jml2> jair, but the explanations as to why that is done is technical..
• 3134[18:27:09] <teraflops> jelly: well apart some minor changes and a lot of happy new year commits squirrelmail looks pretty dead :P
• 3135[18:27:10] <greycat> RippyDippy: What is "it"? Are you typing a script?
• 3136[18:27:18] <jair> jml2: thank you, yes it is interesting
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• 3138[18:27:27] <teraflops> NoCode: all the dovecot stuff
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• 3140[18:27:47] <greycat> RippyDippy: if it's a script or a function, and it uses a variable that you want to be able to change more easily, just have it read a value from a file instead of using an env variable. Then you can edit the file and poof.
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• 3142[18:28:05] <RippyDippy> greycat: Its a block of printf's withing an if statement, that is literally sitting exposed in my bashrc
• 3143[18:28:11] <greycat> All future invocations of the script/function will read the new value from the file instead of the stale value from the env.
• 3144[18:28:14] <jelly> NoCode: if you really have to grab a tutorial and set up a complex system, I'd recommend the ones on workaround.org
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• 3146[18:28:36] <greycat> RippyDippy: Is it a FUNCTION that you define and run? Or is it just code that is only executed once when you launch a new bash shell?
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• 3148[18:28:58] <RippyDippy> greycat: No. It is not a function. The latter. Code that is executed when I launch.
• 3149[18:29:00] <jml2> jair, here i found it replaced-url
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• 3151[18:29:14] <teraflops> ^
• 3152[18:29:22] <greycat> Then editing .bashrc is all that's required. It only runs when you launch bash, so it only need to check the variable at that time.
• 3153[18:29:23] <NoCode> teraflops, Thanks. jelly, thanks I'll look.
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• 3155[18:29:24] <jelly> NoCode: but the way they set up things is overkill if you really need a single-domain setup with normal accounts
• 3156[18:29:24] <jmcnaught> m_b: does this computer use one of those fancy new NVME SSDs? which installer image did you download, and how did you copy it to USB?
• 3157[18:29:36] <greycat> It doesn't even have to be an env var, since it's not being used by child processes.
• 3158[18:29:46] <jair> jml2: yes, i am reading
• 3159[18:30:29] <greycat> WAIT! I HAVE AN IDEA! Are you actually asking *HOW TO MAKE IT EASIER TO EDIT THE VALUE in .bashrc*??
• 3160[18:30:33] <NoCode> jelly, Okay. I'll look anyway. thanks
• 3161[18:30:39] <jmcnaught> NoCode: i find tutorials useful for an overview of what's involved, but it's still important to read the docs for postfix, dovecot etc so you can understand how to fix them when things go wrong
• 3162[18:30:52] <RippyDippy> greycat: Nailed it. But globally. Perminently.
• 3163[18:31:11] <jml2> greycat, i never seen you so excited over a very simple issue :)
• 3164[18:31:13] <greycat> Any change to .bashrc *IS* permanent, because it's a file. This has been the source of confusion all along.
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• 3166[18:31:16] <jml2> lol
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• 3169[18:31:34] <warsoul> hey guys how are you
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• 3171[18:31:48] <jml2> warsoul, you're a troublemaker, i remember you
• 3172[18:31:48] <greycat> We thought you were asking something entirely different (how to modify the existing instance of an env var across multiple processes) but you're actually asking "how do I edit a file"
• 3173[18:31:53] <RippyDippy> greycat: I used export originally. But that just does it temporary for the life of the term. So its kinda useless when opening a new one resets to fals
• 3174[18:31:59] <NoCode> jmcnaught, Makes sense for sure
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• 3176[18:32:23] <RippyDippy> greycat: Yes, thats why I was confused as to why this simple task was causing so much trouble.
• 3177[18:32:32] <greycat> If editing .bashrc is more work than you want to use, you can still store the value in a separate file and read that in the code in .bashrc. Then editing the value is easier, because it's not embedded inside shell code.
• 3178[18:32:47] <warsoul> jml2 lol why are you saying that
• 3179[18:32:49] <greycat> You don't have to export it. It's not being used by child processes.
• 3180[18:33:01] <teraflops> NoCode: yeah be careful, you dont want to put an email server out there without setting it up properly
• 3181[18:33:04] <jml2> yeah... "child" processes..
• 3182[18:33:08] <jml2> bah!
• 3183[18:33:08] <greycat> Just pick a file, and have the .bashrc code read the value from the file.
• 3184[18:33:11] <jelly> warsoul: I guess they're joking
• 3185[18:33:20] <warsoul> jejejeje
• 3186[18:33:26] <warsoul> yeah jelly
• 3187[18:33:27] <teraflops> haha
• 3188[18:33:38] <RippyDippy> greycat: I could actually just open it up. Just... It would be cool to do it with one command, obviously to alias
• 3189[18:33:41] <warsoul> im learning
• 3190[18:33:59] <greycat> RippyDippy: no, editing a .bashrc file with a stupid shell alias is not wise.
• 3191[18:34:04] <pflanze> jml2, hm
• 3192[18:34:08] <greycat> RippyDippy: use a separate file that has nothing else in it.
• 3193[18:34:12] <pflanze> Question: is there any better Debian installer images?
• 3194[18:34:12] <RippyDippy> greycat: Nothing about this is wise
• 3195[18:34:22] <pflanze> Better as in containing real tools, not busybox?
• 3196[18:34:27] <pflanze> I'm just tired of that *
• 3197[18:34:57] <pflanze> Busybox is keeping me busy looking for workarounds around it.
• 3198[18:35:15] <NoCode> As an example, while I was following tutorials to get sub-domains works, I didn't realize you can use a2dissite to disable the DNS as well as a2ensite. That has helped a lot. Since now I can disable the default DNS file, still have it in the directory, but also use it to create a default DNS file to work from for my main, and sub-domains. It took me a lot of frustration(2 days) to figure out that my A Record was pointed to a defunct IP address. But
• 3199[18:35:15] <NoCode> that was a lesson well learned!
• 3200[18:35:17] <pflanze> Can't do nothing. Bug? Strace? nope, no strace.
• 3201[18:35:55] <pflanze> Can I use the Ubuntu installer to install Debian?
• 3202[18:36:06] <jml2> pflanze, often folks they just end up downloading the non-free debian iso , ( replaced-url
• 3203[18:36:11] <RippyDippy> greycat: mmmm, Unecissary files
• 3204[18:36:19] <NoCode> Then people demonizing me in another channel saying my directives were wrong, and why it wasn't working.
• 3205[18:36:25] <jml2> pflanze, should come with the basic firmwares needed
• 3206[18:36:36] <NoCode> So. That was a good resolve at least.
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• 3208[18:36:51] <jml2> pflanze, dude
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• 3210[18:36:57] <jml2> pflanze, what kind of question was that?
• 3211[18:37:06] <m_b> jmcnaught: yes, brand new nvme SSD
• 3212[18:37:14] <pflanze> jml2, fine (except I'm dealing with a 64core server that takes about 10' to run through the boot process).
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• 3214[18:37:29] <pflanze> jml2, but I *always* seem to be running into issues in the installer,
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• 3216[18:37:41] <pflanze> and *always* need some tool that's not available.
• 3217[18:37:45] <m_b> I use netinstall 8.4 image downloaded from official french mirror and I put it on a USB with the dd command
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• 3220[18:38:13] <m_b> so Debian doesn't support nvme SSD?
• 3221[18:38:16] <NoCode> Me not know why it wouldn't work, which ultimately was my fault anyway. But still!
• 3222[18:38:33] <jml2> pflanze, you'll need a way to make preparation images -- use virtualbox, set it online, and use snapshots, then later clone that vbox hard-disk.. this way you can keep your production systems separate from the internet and never have to worry
• 3223[18:38:44] <jml2> pflanze, isolate "/" from data stores..
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• 3225[18:39:03] <pflanze> I just want a decent system environment when running the installer.
• 3226[18:39:11] <jml2> pflanze, when you do updates, you just use an updated image cloned from vbox
• 3227[18:39:13] <jmcnaught> m_b: it does but it seems some people have had a problem installing grub. i've seen a workaround where after installing Debian you boot into rescue mode and install grub manually
• 3228[18:39:22] <m_b> I founded it : replaced-url
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• 3230[18:39:36] <m_b> I will try, thanks for your answers jmcnaught o/
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• 3232[18:40:37] <jml2> m_b, maybe not the default kernel which might be too old for the latest nvm, so for that you can install the latest from backports ..
• 3233[18:40:50] <jml2> m_b, kernel 4.4 is available from backports
• 3234[18:41:13] <markybob> no it's not
• 3235[18:41:14] <markybob> 4.5 is
• 3236[18:41:20] <jml2> m_b, you should still be able to install on the nvm ssd (hopefully)-- so on post setup you can just add the newer kernel afterwards
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• 3238[18:41:34] <jml2> m_b, above kernel 3.15 you'll be wanting to use
• 3239[18:41:49] <markybob> jessie has 3.16, not 3.15
• 3240[18:41:57] <jml2> i didnt say jessie is 3.15
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• 3242[18:42:13] <jml2> (talking in reference to actual nvm support in upstream)
• 3243[18:42:31] <markybob> so by your logic jessie would work
• 3244[18:43:14] <jml2> it's what's supported in the kernel
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• 3266[18:49:17] <ozmage> zfs ha
• 3267[18:49:18] <slingbot> Hi everybody. I just installed mysecureshell on a jessie but when I try to sftp into it I get a "Connection closed" just after the login. Any hint?
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• 3269[18:49:38] <ozmage> whats says RMS about zfs on debian now
• 3270[18:50:00] <ozmage> if he says is a violation for ubuntu
• 3271[18:50:08] <ozmage> of the gpl
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• 3273[18:50:33] <ozmage> :)
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• 3282[18:54:01] <jml2> slingbot, there's an SFTP subsystem option i know for sshd, you probably have to edit that
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• 3286[18:54:56] <jml2> slingbot, check "Subsystem"
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• 3304[18:57:00] <slingbot> jml2, thanks, I found the problem, I didn't close a tag in the configuration file -_-"
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• 3306[18:57:37] <jml2> slingbot, i think you have to define that subsystem no? otherwise it uses the default sftp that comes with sshd
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• 3309[18:58:27] <slingbot> jml2, mmhm, didn't know about that, I'm digging into it right now
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• 3312[18:59:09] <jml2> slingbot, there's supposed to be a more enhanced sftp service from the mysecureshell package
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• 3314[18:59:25] <jml2> slingbot, since you don't know, i'm guessing you took this extra step to ensure you had ssh
• 3315[18:59:30] <jml2> slingbot, :)
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• 3320[19:00:34] <jml2> slingbot, you can uninstall mysecureshell as you seem not to be needing it
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• 3323[19:01:35] <slingbot> Well, seems like a pretty easy package and has some nice options, I'd rather understand how to switch between it and the default
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• 3330[19:03:31] <dka> is it possible to do with iptables -t nat a -j ?
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• 3340[19:06:08] <slingbot> now it's working on the LAN but not with the external address...
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• 3356[19:13:03] <dka> Docker does some nat rules when you start a container in BRIDGE mode, is there a way to tell ip to DROP connection on eth2 interface ?
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• 3370[19:16:58] <NoCode> Is MySQL(or another database installation) needed for Postfix and Dovecot?
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• 3375[19:18:53] <jmcnaught> NoCode: a database isn't required to use Postfix and Dovecot, but is commonly used to manage virtual users and domains
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• 3384[19:24:31] <teraflops> NoCode: or ldap
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• 3388[19:26:00] <tim241> I tried to build my first .deb program but I get an error while installing: replaced-url
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• 3396[19:27:37] <NoCode> I'd like to just use 1 EMail for my domain and sub-domains at least. Only content publisher would be me. Given, each sub-domain would present different content.
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• 3406[19:31:06] <DammitJim> is there a way to expand a physical hard drive?
• 3407[19:31:20] <DammitJim> I say that in the context of increasing the hard drive space in vmware
• 3408[19:31:21] <BinBasher> update on Unreal Tournament 2004: Torrent and default wine just works fine!
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• 3430[19:38:17] <follinge> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER follinge fobshxsryikl
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• 3432[19:38:25] <teraflops> bah
• 3433[19:38:25] <greycat> password change time.
• 3434[19:38:33] <teraflops> i cannot believe it
• 3435[19:38:59] <fearnothing> if swapd is using very high amounts of CPU, that's an indication that I'm short on RAM, right?
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• 3441[19:39:46] <greycat> A better indication would be lots of swap used, and relatively little RAM left (including cache/buffers).
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• 3460[19:51:12] <jelly> fearnothing: actively paging in and out, as seen in si/so columns on "vmstat 1" output, would be a better proof
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• 3465[19:52:27] <_jose_> Hey, I looking into how to package a Java library that uses gradle, ins't clear if it is possible for the build system to use plug-ins from external repositories or if all build requirements should be part of debian
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• 3473[19:57:04] <jelly> pflanze: if you're able to install using debootstrap, you can use any live or rescue linux system, eg. grml.org
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• 3482[20:00:39] <sprakk> Installed debian 8 on a new computer with a gtx 960. Connected 1 display to card with HDMI. Max res is 1024x768 and display is "Unknown Display", what could be the problem? Using nouveau not nvidia drivers, is that it?
• 3483[20:01:19] <jelly> sprakk: yes, you're going to need newer kernel and nouveau for that card, or a matching nvidia closed driver
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• 3485[20:01:36] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
• 3486[20:01:38] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; squeeze-backports: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.0.1-5; jessie: 1:1.0.11-1; sid: 1:1.0.12-1+b1; stretch: 1:1.0.12-1+b1
• 3487[20:01:59] <jelly> no backports for nouveau, that's a bad sign
• 3488[20:02:04] <sprakk> jelly: ok, so nvidia proprietary driver will make it work with the current debian 8 kernel?
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• 3490[20:02:40] <jelly> might need to pick the right version of nvidia driver but yes that's an option
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• 3492[20:03:03] <jelly> dpkg, tell sprakk about nvidia dkms
• 3493[20:03:25] <jelly> dpkg, tell sprakk about non-free sources
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• 3495[20:04:26] <sprakk> jelly: would you go with the proprietary driver, or would it be better to try newer kernel with nouveau?
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• 3500[20:06:07] <jelly> sprakk: I'd try both and use the option that is most stable. Eg. nouveau couldn't survive more than 2-3 days uptime with my GT720, but this varied wildly depending on hw and driver versions.
• 3501[20:06:26] <sprakk> ... is the situation better on another distro, e.g. Fedora?
• 3502[20:06:48] <jelly> only if they have different versions of kernels and drivers.
• 3503[20:07:56] <jelly> so in general no, in practice you may get lucky with a particular release of a particular distro, and that would be mere coincidence an the next release might be crashy
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• 3505[20:08:14] <sprakk> hmm... Well, I basically need stability and no surprises.. Would it be a good guess that Im in for a headache with "sleep" computer too? I had huge headaches with sleep failing with proprietary nvidia on Fedora22 last year.. It rebooted instead of went to sleep
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• 3507[20:08:44] <jelly> I suspend my desktop regularly.
• 3508[20:09:21] <sprakk> ok.. so your on proprietary now, and its stable? Or did I misunderstand and you got nouveau to work stable with your GT720?
• 3509[20:09:27] <jelly> this got me weeks of uptime with jessie default kernel and nvidia blob. Upgrading the kernel ruined things.
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• 3514[20:10:02] <jelly> right now? I got frustrated and pulled the discrete card out and am running on 2 displays only with intel video :-|
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• 3516[20:10:44] <tim241> I tried to build my first .deb program but I get an error while installing: replaced-url
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• 3518[20:10:59] <tim241> I watched in my control file but I dont undertsnad anything from it
• 3519[20:11:03] <tim241> so please help
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• 3521[20:11:17] <jelly> sprakk: (the frustration started after deciding to switch to debian testing and its newer kernel. Things were fine with jessie default kernel and nvidia blob driver from jessie)
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• 3523[20:12:15] <jelly> sprakk: and again, this can change a lot given a different card or even a different motherboard
• 3524[20:12:43] <sprakk> yeah... hmm well it seems keeping default kernel and using the nvidia blob might be the best way to go for now. I wont be switching to testing, Ill just upgrade a while after debian 9 is released..
• 3525[20:13:01] <sprakk> jelly: thanks for all the info, it was really helpful!
• 3526[20:13:15] <jelly> it may not be the "best" anything but it certainly is a setup to try
• 3527[20:13:26] <sprakk> yeah
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• 3531[20:14:04] <tim241> someone help me?
• 3532[20:14:07] <tim241> please
• 3533[20:14:16] <tim241> guys I am waiting over one hour
• 3534[20:14:45] <markybob> tim241: i don't think anyone even believes you
• 3535[20:14:51] <markybob> tim241: please troll elsewhere
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• 3537[20:15:01] <tim241> troll?
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• 3539[20:15:02] <tim241> wtf
• 3540[20:15:09] <tim241> m8
• 3541[20:15:10] <markybob> "depends on libsomethingorrather" "depends on anotheerdependency"
• 3542[20:15:18] <markybob> c'mon. go away
• 3543[20:15:21] <tim241> I never compiled an .deb file
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• 3545[20:15:39] <markybob> visual-basic-2008.deb. please
• 3546[20:15:50] <markybob> you're going on /ignore
• 3547[20:15:58] <jelly> tim241: please provide actual output if you want actual help
• 3548[20:16:11] <jelly> !ask
• 3549[20:16:12] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 3550[20:16:32] <tim241> that is my actual output I followed this tutorial: replaced-url
• 3551[20:17:03] <tim241> so sorry if I am doing something wrong but com on
• 3552[20:17:31] <jelly> tim241: pastebin your debian/control
• 3553[20:17:35] <tim241> ok
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• 3555[20:18:25] <tim241> replaced-url
• 3556[20:19:13] <tim241> sorry if I am doing something wrong but I never done this
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• 3563[20:23:12] <tim241> help me then?
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• 3565[20:23:53] <tim241> I dont need anything as an dependencie the script will install it automaticly
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• 3568[20:23:58] <jelly> tim241: well, this example seems to work exactly as expected
• 3569[20:24:25] <tim241> so what doI need to fill in if my script needs no dependencie
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• 3571[20:24:47] <jelly> tim241: you tried to install a .deb package with dpkg, it failed because the listed dependencies are not satisfied
• 3572[20:25:15] <tim241> ok but I dont need any dependencies what do I need to fill in then?
• 3573[20:25:58] <jelly> tim241: don't put in any dependencies, then.
• 3574[20:26:09] <tim241> ok hold on please
• 3575[20:26:39] <jelly> dpkg, tell tim241 about nmg
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• 3578[20:27:55] <jelly> tim241: you want to read about control file syntax at the very least. replaced-url
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• 3581[20:28:12] <markybob> tim241: please don't /msg me
• 3582[20:28:26] <tim241> I installed it
• 3583[20:28:28] <tim241> thx
• 3584[20:28:46] <tim241> how do I open my script then?
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• 3586[20:29:16] <jelly> you've written it, why are you asking us?
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• 3589[20:29:45] <tim241> it installs on /usr/local/
• 3590[20:29:48] <jelly> tim241: how would you open it if it wasn't packaged?
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• 3593[20:30:01] <tim241> just double clicking it
• 3594[20:30:17] <tim241> not double clicking it I mean
• 3595[20:30:17] <jelly> is there anything stopping you from doing the same thing?
• 3596[20:30:21] <tim241> ./scriptname
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• 3598[20:30:36] <tim241> I want to:
• 3599[20:30:59] <greycat> jelly: I'm not sure what he's asking because I have him on /ignore, but just to warn you, one of his #bash questions was how to wget a vbasic.exe file from Microsoft into a directory that he was *already sitting in* using wget. So that he can use Visual Basic on his web server.
• 3600[20:31:00] <tim241> create a commmand in the terminal that will execute the script
• 3601[20:31:26] <tim241> web server?
• 3602[20:31:31] <tim241> no just dont
• 3603[20:31:32] <greycat> After 30 minutes, he still couldn't master wget.
• 3604[20:31:51] <tim241> this is just mean :-(
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• 3606[20:32:34] <jelly> tim241: what's the purpose of this exercise?
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• 3608[20:33:34] <tim241> I want to create a program that will install visual basic 2008 on linux for you it was hard to figure out but I did it so I created a script and I wanted to create a .deb file to share it with the world
• 3609[20:33:40] <tim241> sorry :-(
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• 3613[20:34:18] <tim241> jelly ^^
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• 3616[20:34:57] <jelly> tim241: there's very little added value in packaging up a single-use installation script
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• 3618[20:35:26] <tim241> and I want to add that it will add an command to /bin so if you type:
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• 3620[20:35:34] <tim241> visual-studio-2008
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• 3622[20:35:40] <tim241> it will start the script
• 3623[20:36:45] <jelly> tim241: then you need your package to place the executable into a directory present in default PATH
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• 3625[20:37:05] <tim241> yes
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• 3628[20:37:27] <tim241> but greycat is super mean and has no idea how much effort I put into this
• 3629[20:37:43] <jelly> tim241: so do that, instead of putting the executable in /usr/local, put it in a different directory, that already is in PATH
• 3630[20:38:09] <tim241> which directory then?
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• 3633[20:38:32] <jelly> tim241: do you know how to show the current PATH value?
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• 3635[20:38:39] <tim241> no sorry
• 3636[20:38:47] <jelly> tim241: really?
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• 3638[20:39:07] <tim241> no sorry I can program a little of shell script but I dont do it that much
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• 3640[20:39:12] <jelly> tim241: but you're able to make a working downloader and installer for a complex software component?
• 3641[20:39:20] <tim241> yes
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• 3643[20:39:46] <markybob> have to say i called it
• 3644[20:39:58] <N3X15> Having some issues getting GCC to find libboost, despite having installed libboost-dev-all. ldconfig -p: replaced-url
• 3645[20:40:01] <jelly> tim241: I find that hard to believe. Use your shell skills to display the value of PATH.
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• 3648[20:40:39] <tim241> ok sorrry if I dissapoint you jelly
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• 3652[20:41:15] <jelly> tim241: you're not, it was a fun exercise while it lasted. Have a nice day.
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• 3654[20:41:34] <tim241> you too :-)
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• 3656[20:42:43] <tim241> it was easy to display $path
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• 3658[20:42:50] <tim241> echo $path
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• 3660[20:43:12] <jelly> N3X15: which debian version is this
• 3661[20:43:32] <N3X15> Release: testing
• 3662[20:43:39] <tim241> jelly what do I need to do with the value of $path?
• 3663[20:43:58] <jelly> tim241: I never said anything about "path" or "$path".
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• 3666[20:44:12] <N3X15> jelly, stretch
• 3667[20:44:15] <tim241> Use your shell skills to display the value of PATH.
• 3668[20:44:20] <jelly> tim241: right.
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• 3670[20:44:41] <tim241> please help then?
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• 3672[20:45:01] <jelly> tim241: case matters.
• 3673[20:45:18] <tim241> you know my case right?
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• 3680[20:46:45] <kc7rad> tim241: echo $PATH
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• 3682[20:46:56] <kc7rad> variables are case sensitive.
• 3683[20:47:03] <N3X15> He's gone kc7rad
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• 3687[20:47:39] <kc7rad> N3X15 That's what happens when I try to multitask. lol
• 3688[20:47:44] <jelly> alas, we hardly knew him
• 3689[20:47:54] <N3X15> It's all right. I've had an entire week like that.
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• 3691[20:48:24] <N3X15> jelly, should I escalate to #debian-next?
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• 3695[20:48:59] <jelly> N3X15: yes. is there a reason you're trying to statically link with stdc++ and boost, or am I reading that wrong?
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• 3697[20:49:10] <jelly> er, libgcc not stdc++
• 3698[20:49:23] <N3X15> It's just an old, old buildscript that I'm trying to get back into working order.
• 3699[20:49:37] <jelly> N3X15: is this a 32bit or 64 system?
• 3700[20:49:47] <N3X15> The guy who wrote it vanished from the face of the earth
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• 3704[20:50:00] <N3X15> It's a 32bit target on a 64bit host.
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• 3707[20:50:15] <Quatroking> how save is it to move a debian installation from one machine to the other
• 3708[20:50:20] <jelly> N3X15: is the chroot 32bit?
• 3709[20:50:27] <N3X15> Nnnope.
• 3710[20:50:38] <jelly> N3X15: can you make the whole chroot 32bit.
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• 3712[20:51:09] <N3X15> I was hoping that multi-lib thing would help me avoid doing that to a CI server :/
• 3713[20:51:12] <jelly> but yeah, -next is the right place
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• 3716[20:51:33] <jelly> N3X15: you give multiarch in debian too much credit.
• 3717[20:51:36] <N3X15> Okay, then
• 3718[20:51:53] <Quatroking> I was hoping to copy my VMWare setup to a real drive once I got everything working smoothly and then plugging that drive in the target machine
• 3719[20:52:05] <jelly> probably doable with copious amounts of :i386 stuff installed, who knows
• 3720[20:52:36] <jelly> N3X15: if your CI can't set up a 32bit env. to build 32bit stuff, get a better CI
• 3721[20:52:42] <N3X15> Well, ldconfig shows some i386 stuff
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• 3725[20:52:50] <N3X15> So I assumed it would find it
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• 3728[20:54:40] <jelly> Quatroking: migrations to different hardware work, as long as the hardware supports your userspace. There's a number of obvious and less obvious things to tune on a new hw platfrom.
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• 3730[20:55:02] <Quatroking> Yeah I kept the vm as close to the target machine as possible
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• 3741[20:58:31] <jelly> Quatroking: no particular order: changes in /etc/fstab, boot loader, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules. Additional userspace to get the filesystems up and running (lvm2, multipath-tools), if needed. Updating initramfs.
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• 3743[20:58:59] <at0m> and firmware.
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• 3745[20:59:22] <Quatroking> Would I need to edit the bootloader if the bootloader is on the drive itself?
• 3746[20:59:33] <jelly> you would need to install a bootloader.
• 3747[20:59:38] <Quatroking> plugged into the first ata channel
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• 3749[20:59:54] <Quatroking> well yeah I have grub on the virtual drive
• 3750[21:00:06] <jelly> oh, you provided the raw drive to the VM?
• 3751[21:00:12] <Shentino> jelly: now he's bothering the #debian channel over on OFTC :P
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• 3753[21:00:20] <jelly> Shentino: thanks
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• 3755[21:00:27] <Quatroking> I plan to use clonezilla to copy the virtual drive over to a physical drive once my setup is finished
• 3756[21:00:52] <Quatroking> so in the end the physical drive would be identical to the virtual one
• 3757[21:01:05] <Quatroking> after that I just plug it into the target machine
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• 3761[21:02:02] <Quatroking> the only big difference I'm wary of is the change in cpu clockspeed
• 3762[21:02:36] <Quatroking> right now I have it limited to a single core of my i7 2700k but the target machine has a VIA C3 800mhz lol
• 3763[21:03:02] <at0m> the OS wouldn't care about speed, only architecture
• 3764[21:03:26] <Quatroking> I installed the x86 version of debian so that should be fine
• 3765[21:03:37] <Quatroking> Wouldn't there be a noticable increase of boot time?
• 3766[21:03:47] <at0m> of course
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• 3768[21:04:02] <at0m> cos slow disks, slow everything, compared to the i7
• 3769[21:04:50] <Quatroking> It'll be running MAME, mostly atari/nes games, so that should be fine
• 3770[21:05:02] <Quatroking> I mean, I've played nes games at full speed before on an old pentium 2
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• 3777[21:07:10] <deluxux> i have a powerpc mac is it possible to compile telegram-purple? replaced-url
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• 3802[21:16:13] <sphalerite> Is there a way to get grub working on debian using the linuxefi/initrdefi commands rather than linux/initrd? As is, grub complains about an invalid signature / no signature (can't remember the exact error message, but it's regarding signatures either way). I don't think I can disable secure boot on my machine (it's a mac).
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• 3814[21:20:48] <jj3> Hi
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• 3821[21:22:31] <fsirjean> Hi there
• 3822[21:22:46] <dxsweet> HI
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• 3825[21:24:25] <fsirjean> a quick question : I remember that in the past, in the .torrent files which are available to get the debian ISO, came checksums and signature alongside with the ISO file
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• 3827[21:24:52] <fsirjean> is there any good reason why it is not true anymore ?
• 3828[21:24:53] <greycat> Why would you trust a sum INSIDE the torrent file?
• 3829[21:25:23] <fsirjean> greycat: because it's a simple way to find it ?
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• 3831[21:26:01] <greycat> Here's a music CD of Big Famous Boy Band #45668. It's not pirated. You can tell because it says "Not Pirated" right here in black crayon.
• 3832[21:26:07] <zykotick9> fsirjean: i don't remember that... <- not saying you're wrong, i just don't remember that
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• 3834[21:26:26] <DammitJim> is there a way to expand a hard disk without having to add a virtual device?
• 3835[21:26:33] <fsirjean> zykotick9: well, maybe i dont recall corectly
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• 3837[21:27:01] <DammitJim> so, say my /dev/sda is 50GB and I have a virtual device /dev/sda1 that is my var and it's 10GB
• 3838[21:27:02] <greycat> (A signature is different, because there the trust still comes from an external authority.)
• 3839[21:27:09] <fsirjean> anyway, i'm actually totally lost in the download pages of the debian website : I just need the netinstall ISO, a checksum and a detached signature : cant't find it -_-
• 3840[21:27:13] <DammitJim> if I increase the hard drive to 70GB (VMWare)
• 3841[21:27:26] <greycat> OH, it's a VMWare question.
• 3842[21:27:28] <DammitJim> can I make /dev/sda1 20GB larger -> 30GB ?
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• 3844[21:27:39] <DammitJim> no, I already made the hard drive bigger... now I'm in Debian
• 3845[21:27:56] <erm3nda> Sure, but don't know if you can do it with vmware tools
• 3846[21:28:05] <DammitJim> I think the same would apply if I backed up my system and restored it to a larger hard drive (using dd) ?
• 3847[21:28:19] <DammitJim> oh, I already increased the size of the hard drive
• 3848[21:28:29] <DammitJim> I've read that you have to create a new virtual device /dev/sda2
• 3849[21:28:32] <DammitJim> is that true?
• 3850[21:28:32] <greycat> If parted can still read the disk's partition table, identify the empty space, and create a partition in the empty space, then you're good.
• 3851[21:28:47] <greycat> /dev/sda2 is a partition, not a "virtual device"
• 3852[21:28:58] <DammitJim> ok, sorry
• 3853[21:28:59] <Quatroking> Yeah I'm pretty sure I've increased the size of virtual drives before
• 3854[21:29:01] <erm3nda> u can do it using a live cd on the wmware
• 3855[21:29:18] <Quatroking> afterwards I just ran gparted off livecd and increased the partitions
• 3856[21:29:19] <DammitJim> erm3nda, I used gparted live and it saw the empty space
• 3857[21:29:24] <DammitJim> but no way to resize it
• 3858[21:29:31] <Quatroking> huh, that's odd
• 3859[21:29:34] <DammitJim> maybe I'm doing something else wrong
• 3860[21:29:38] <DammitJim> I must be missing a step
• 3861[21:29:41] <DammitJim> oh, and I have LVM
• 3862[21:29:43] <erm3nda> didn't show the resize option?
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• 3864[21:29:51] <DammitJim> no
• 3865[21:29:55] <DammitJim> let me take a screenshot
• 3866[21:30:10] <erm3nda> why you didn't use vmdk expandable drives?
• 3867[21:30:13] <thurstylark> is there a way to reinstall a package and all its depends?
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• 3869[21:30:48] <erm3nda> it's best option when you don't know how much large your install will be
• 3870[21:30:53] <dionysus69> can I run debian on rooted kindle hdx?
• 3871[21:31:11] <DammitJim> replaced-url
• 3872[21:31:14] <DammitJim> dammit
• 3873[21:31:32] <erm3nda> Question: Does exist any way to add delay to the disc writting to certain partition?? I don't wanna add delay to the full drive.
• 3874[21:32:47] <erm3nda> I don't know if there is any tool to manage the access to devices
• 3875[21:32:51] <DammitJim> replaced-url
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• 3877[21:32:55] <greycat> avoiding disk cache is also the exact opposite of what you're asking for
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• 3880[21:33:24] <DammitJim> erm3nda, not sure how vmdk expandable drives has anything to do with this
• 3881[21:33:28] <greycat> In any case, the handling of disk cache flushing is done in the kernel, so maybe ask ##linux too.
• 3882[21:34:03] <erm3nda> DammitJim, if you use a disk that auto-resizes iftelf to your need Gb value, it's cool
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• 3885[21:34:52] <DammitJim> erm3nda, you mean if I create my original disk to be 300G instead of 50GB and let it grow to that size?
• 3886[21:35:12] <teraflops> Resizing Qemu raw images is a kids game
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• 3888[21:35:43] <erm3nda> i mean a disk with a limit of your choice, ie 300Gb max, but it's size will be created "on the file"
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• 3890[21:36:07] <erm3nda> so, if you installa fresh Windows 7 on that disk, maybe your virtual disk will be about 7Gb currently
• 3891[21:36:15] <erm3nda> the more shit you installs, the more it grows
• 3892[21:36:20] <greycat> He's asking how to resize the partition, and then the LVM physical volume (or the volume group), and then the LV inside the VG.
• 3893[21:36:29] <greycat> And then the file system inside the LV.
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• 3895[21:36:37] <erm3nda> U can't expand a partition about a limited file
• 3896[21:37:15] <DammitJim> ok, so it sounds like I will need to just create a new partition every time we "expand" the hard drive
• 3897[21:37:22] <greycat> One option that I'm about 80% sure will work is to add ANOTHER PARTITION which becomes another Physical Volume to the LVM system, and then append that new PV into the VG, and then you have more space in the VG.
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• 3899[21:37:36] <DammitJim> or if I took a clonezilla of a machine and restore it to a machine with a larger hard drive
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• 3901[21:37:42] <greycat> You VM people. I just don't get it.
• 3902[21:37:46] <DammitJim> greycat, you are correct about that
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• 3905[21:37:57] <greycat> You have all these big fancy toys and you have no idea how anything works. But it's fancy, so it must be right.
• 3906[21:38:03] <DammitJim> I just thought it was a little messy in the end if we keep adding more space LOL
• 3907[21:38:30] <DammitJim> it's a provisioning problem I'm trying to clean up on these 5 year old servers
• 3908[21:38:31] <greycat> There may be other ways. I don't know shit about VMware. I don't know shit about hard drives that magically grow overnight.
• 3909[21:39:20] <erm3nda> replaced-url
• 3910[21:39:31] <erm3nda> To expand the size of a virtual disk, use a command like the following:
• 3911[21:39:31] <erm3nda> vmware-vdiskmanager -x 40GB myDisk.vmdk
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• 3913[21:39:40] <erm3nda> did u even read that documentation?
• 3914[21:39:59] <erm3nda> wich kind of virtual disk did u created?
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• 3919[21:40:28] <erm3nda> maybe u can move the partition with gparted from your actual virtual disk to a new vmdk that you can modify
• 3920[21:40:34] <Devastator> is there a recommended to set JAVA_HOME for all users in Debian? by editing /etc/profile perhaps?!
• 3921[21:40:43] <erm3nda> gparted should be started from a live cd
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• 3923[21:40:51] <erm3nda> otherwise you cant unount the main drive
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• 3926[21:41:13] <qqz> would anyone here be so kind and help me with replaced-url
• 3927[21:41:17] <greycat> Devastator: /etc/environment is more likely to work if your users have a GUI login
• 3928[21:41:53] <Devastator> greycat hum, no GUI
• 3929[21:41:57] <qqz> I have tried half a day and a dozen of times to get the reports (especially the first one) posted but without success.
• 3930[21:42:12] <greycat> If you're sure there will never be a GUI login user, or a (t)csh user, then /etc/profile is fine.
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• 3932[21:42:26] <Devastator> greycat thank you!
• 3933[21:42:33] <qqz> I have tried it with Firefox and Chromium but it always either hangs or gives an error message that no secure connection can be established.
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• 3938[21:44:02] <qqz> I would like to know whether there is an error with the website replaced-url
• 3939[21:44:43] <qqz> sometimes I experience obscure network errors which can not be reproduced on another site of the internet
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• 3943[21:45:12] <qqz> like f.i. the server of my homepage not having been reachable just from me
• 3944[21:45:41] <Devastator> greycat hum, /etc/profile from Debian is a bit more complex than I thought..
• 3945[21:45:54] <qqz> it should be possible for someone else to post and to specify my name and email address: Elmar Stellnberger / estellnb@elstel.org
• 3946[21:46:03] <greycat> Doesn't matter. You can just add your variable assignment pretty much anywhere in the file.
• 3947[21:46:04] <qqz> Thanks a lot.
• 3948[21:46:13] <greycat> I'd recommend either the beginning, or the end. Avoid the middle.
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• 3964[21:51:23] <Devastator> greycat can you please review if my change is sane? lines 4 and 11: replaced-url
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• 3966[21:51:49] <greycat> Why the hell would you put a variable assignment in line 11 of /etc/profile after I just said to put it either at the top or the bottom?
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• 3968[21:51:59] <greycat> You know the top and bottom are safe because you can't be in the middle of a compound command.
• 3969[21:52:31] <Devastator> greycat I didn't think it was for me, sorry
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• 3971[21:54:00] <x-fak> can we install graphical desktop on a dedicated server?
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• 3974[21:55:06] <qqz> x-fak: why not; connect with ssh x-forwarding there; you would not need the X-server though.
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• 3978[21:56:09] <at0m> won't make it very dedicated then, though.
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• 3980[21:56:47] <x-fak> qqz , i can just apt-get install Xorg?
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• 3982[21:57:27] <x-fak> at0m , if you want to do a speedtest on the dedicated server, how are you doing?
• 3983[21:57:39] <qqz> x-fak: no, apt-get install xterm, etc. on the server and xorg-x11-server on your terminal
• 3984[21:58:16] <at0m> x-fak: you'd wget/curl a 100-1000MB file from a speedtesting server?
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• 3986[21:58:24] <x-fak> qqz xorg-x11-server on your terminal, what do you mean?
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• 3988[21:58:52] <qqz> terminal - I mean the computer you use to connect to your server with ssh
• 3989[21:58:53] <x-fak> at0m , yes i did this but i like speedtest.net :)
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• 3991[21:59:23] <x-fak> qqz , i dont understand why you dont install the xorg-x11-server package on the server side?
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• 3993[21:59:44] <qqz> x-fak: because your server does not have a screen/monitor?
• 3994[21:59:45] <at0m> x-fak: or run a live-iso in a VM, leaves the dedicated server untouched
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• 3996[22:00:07] <qqz> X-server is jsut responsible for screen output
• 3997[22:00:21] <x-fak> at0m i didnt know you can do that
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• 3999[22:01:18] <x-fak> qqz i didnt understand the whole thing, i will make some googling
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• 4001[22:02:01] <qqz> well your dedicated server will run the X-client programs like xterm, gnome, KDE, etc.
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• 4003[22:02:09] <at0m> x-fak: just trying to avoid you installing loads of bloat on an otherwise dedicated server.
• 4004[22:02:55] <markybob> x-fak: there is a speedtest-cli package in debian
• 4005[22:03:18] <x-fak> at0m , yes, but i think i cannot do that on my dedicated server provider
• 4006[22:03:32] <x-fak> markybob , oh really nice find
• 4007[22:03:46] <teraflops> it's a python script
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• 4014[22:05:08] <ryouma> is there a linux option to turn off blinking cursor in the console forever and make it a block cursor?
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• 4017[22:06:08] <greycat> If so it would probably be in setterm.
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• 4021[22:06:59] <qqz> setterm --cursor on/off
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• 4023[22:07:13] <x-fak> ty markybob
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• 4026[22:07:43] <qqz> I knew there was a BIOS interrupt in hardware text mode to control the appearence of the cursor ....
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• 4028[22:07:55] <qqz> .... but I do not know how to enforce that with linux
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• 4030[22:08:10] <qqz> otherwise use a GUI
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• 4033[22:08:55] <qqz> may I come back to replaced-url
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• 4035[22:09:15] <qqz> it would be of great help if someone could try to post that bug in my behalf
• 4036[22:09:36] <qqz> I hate flagrant bugs remaining unresolved for months or years
• 4037[22:09:44] <qqz> any help is highly appreciated
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• 4040[22:10:09] <qqz> it could be a security issue as well: buffer overrun in gzip
• 4041[22:10:27] <qqz> unfortunately #networking and #grub is not helpful at the time
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• 4043[22:11:07] <qqz> you just need to post at the given address and then fill in my name and email: Elmar Stellnberger / estellnb@elstel.org
• 4044[22:11:24] <greycat> qqz: Oh, it's a gzip bug? Then run gzip --help. The last thing it says is the EMAIL ADDRESS of where to report bugs.
• 4045[22:11:33] <ryouma> qqz: that doesn't solve it. some programs will reset the terminal to blink.
• 4046[22:11:40] <qqz> no it is a grub gzio module bug
• 4047[22:11:47] <greycat> *shrug*
• 4048[22:11:50] <qqz> there are many implementations of unpacking gzip
• 4049[22:11:58] <qqz> this is at boot time before the kernel loads
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• 4051[22:13:19] <x-fak> is there a particular reason why i could not auto complete with TAB after typing apt-get inst...? It's working on my other server
• 4052[22:13:33] <johnkeates> install bash-completion
• 4053[22:13:39] <greycat> because you have not installed, or have not activated, the completely optional and mostly broken bash-completion package.
• 4054[22:14:00] <qqz> ryouma: hack a vtbios module? look at the setttings of your terminal emulator (konsole, gnome-terminal, etc.) / program one yourself.
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• 4057[22:14:13] <erm3nda> x-fak, you can get vnc desktop server on any unix server
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• 4059[22:14:48] <x-fak> erm3nda , i install vnc desktop server i dont need to install a graphic dekstop?
• 4060[22:15:05] <erm3nda> vnc needs a graphic desktopt to connect to
• 4061[22:15:07] <johnkeates> don't install vnc
• 4062[22:15:14] <erm3nda> what's wrong with vnc?
• 4063[22:15:14] <qqz> greycat: would you help me / have a look at the first of these reports which is about gzio?
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• 4065[22:15:22] <johnkeates> everything is wrong with vnc
• 4066[22:15:37] <greycat> Why the hell would I report a bug for you? Just report it yourself.
• 4067[22:15:41] <teraflops> heh
• 4068[22:15:42] <erm3nda> can i know one thing?
• 4069[22:15:56] <x-fak> <johnkeates> install bash-completion <-installed and same
• 4070[22:16:09] <greycat> x-fak: did you ACTIVATE it in your .bashrc file and then exec bash?
• 4071[22:16:11] <ryouma> qqz: i'm just a user, not a systems developer. no idea what vtbios is. the questio is about virtual terminals, not guis.
• 4072[22:16:13] <johnkeates> x-fak: is it loaded?
• 4073[22:16:25] <x-fak> johnkeates loaded?
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• 4076[22:16:48] <greycat> x-fak: grep complet ~/.bashrc
• 4077[22:16:53] <johnkeates> x-fak try in the shell: ". /etc/bash_completion"
• 4078[22:16:54] <erm3nda> i use vnc through ssh secured connection everyday to my vps with xfce4 desktop , even tried cinnamon and Unity
• 4079[22:17:06] <qqz> vtbios: I mean a kernel module that sets a graphics / text mode and manipulates the cursor via BIOS calls
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• 4081[22:17:21] <x-fak> greycat , grep -i complet .bashrc gives nothing
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• 4085[22:17:45] <erm3nda> x-fak, yes, you need install at least 5 new packages to have a desktop from a vnc
• 4086[22:17:46] <greycat> Really? I HATE bash-completion and NEVER USE IT and I still have commented-out boilerplate code to source it in my .bashrc
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• 4088[22:17:52] <greycat> How did you not have it?
• 4089[22:17:57] <x-fak> johnkeates , i did your command and it's working
• 4090[22:18:03] <qqz> greycat: why for the hell that does not work at me I do not know;
• 4091[22:18:07] <johnkeates> greycat: what do you use for auto-completion?
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• 4094[22:18:15] <greycat> My fingers.
• 4095[22:18:18] <qqz> greycat: it may be a bug of importance (to many users)
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• 4098[22:18:50] <qqz> greycat: you would help me a lot; you can always unsubscribe from recieving mails about the report and hand it over to me
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• 4100[22:18:59] <greycat> x-fak: anyway, the boilerplate should also be present in /etc/skel/.bashrc and you can copy from there
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• 4106[22:19:18] <erm3nda> apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies lightdm xfonts-base tightvncserver
• 4107[22:19:31] <erm3nda> that's all you need, then configure ;) and run the proper commands to do it securely
• 4108[22:19:43] <x-fak> ty erm3nda
• 4109[22:19:47] <erm3nda> on your desktop, you can use vncviewer package, wich can use -via option to ssh the connection
• 4110[22:19:56] <erm3nda> x-fak, try it, i can help you today ;)
• 4111[22:20:11] <qqz> greycat: if there is an error that hinders me from reporting the gzio-bug we need to report that one as well; however I would need someone else to find that out
• 4112[22:20:30] <erm3nda> U can also opt for xvrdp, that will enable a windows like screen remote control, that you can connect from a windows native remote client
• 4113[22:20:50] <erm3nda> xrdp it is, not xvrdp
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• 4115[22:20:52] <jmcnaught> qqz: if the bug exists in Debian, why not report it to the Debian package and let the maintainer decide if it needs to be reported upstream?
• 4116[22:21:14] <x-fak> johnkeates , i didnt understand what change into .bashrc to do . /etc/bash_completion ?
• 4117[22:21:20] <x-fak> erm3nda , ok i do it
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• 4119[22:21:39] <greycat> x-fak: if you've edited .bashrc, then exec bash
• 4120[22:21:42] <qqz> jmcnaught: that is what I did via email but the rports were closed quickly with the argument that they need to be filed upstreams
• 4121[22:21:44] <x-fak> erm3nda , 550MB of space needed :)
• 4122[22:21:52] <erm3nda> yes
• 4123[22:22:01] <erm3nda> the lightest desktop i think is lxde
• 4124[22:22:09] <erm3nda> but is kinda horrible/simple
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• 4126[22:22:27] <erm3nda> I only used that inside a 300Mhz 128Mb ram devide :V
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• 4128[22:22:39] <x-fak> greycat , what should i edit into .bashrc please? put a new line with . /etc/bash_completion ?
• 4129[22:22:45] <erm3nda> 37mb ram system :)
• 4130[22:22:52] <leandrosansilva> Hello to all. I am using debian unstable and I tried do install using dpkg a package which is from ubuntu, but which broke everything when I 'dpkg -i' it. (libfontconfig). As it is a dependency of almost all graphic applications, the system is broken. In order to fix it, I'd like to install the old package from debian again, and solve the issue (I even have the .deb here), but apt-get insists I need to remove libfontconfig and
• 4131[22:22:54] <leandrosansilva> everything depending on it, which consists on... everything
• 4132[22:23:07] <greycat> If you are incapable of copying the code from /etc/skel and if you are certain you will never UNINSTALL bash-completion, then sure. That will work.
• 4133[22:23:11] <qqz> if anyone is here who cares about arbitrary code execution bugs in web browsers, email clients possibly also gpg etc. then pleaase help me get the gzio bug posted
• 4134[22:23:12] <leandrosansilva> how can I fix the system, reinstalling the old package, without breaking everything?
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• 4138[22:23:36] <qqz> all of the web relies partially on gzip packing
• 4139[22:23:42] <greycat> leandrosansilva: unstable is not supported here. Go to the OFTC channel that supports it, per /topic.
• 4140[22:23:52] <erm3nda> leandrosansilva, what about using snapshots of your unstable system?
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• 4142[22:24:33] <rattking> leandrosansilva: this is starting to get dangerous, but you could try a 'dpkg -r --force-all libfontconfig' then a 'apt-get install libfontconfig'
• 4143[22:24:35] <erm3nda> writable filesystem and back-in-time over filesystem, maybe
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• 4146[22:26:22] <erm3nda> x-fak, never use vnc connection without ssh, it's strongly unsecure. but using ssh is strongly secure ;)
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• 4151[22:30:11] <erm3nda> U only need to launch vncserver like "vncserver :1 --geometry 800x600 --localhost" to don't allow anyone from the outside listen even if no firewall is installed/configured
• 4152[22:30:22] <jmcnaught> qqz: it's not that clear to me why reporting the bug didn't work for you, but according to replaced-url
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• 4156[22:30:48] <erm3nda> later you have to connect to that using a command like this "vncviewer -via root@domain -passwd ~/password(if any) localhost:5901"
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• 4163[22:32:35] <erm3nda> x-fak, how's going?
• 4164[22:33:00] <qqz> the indicated bugs were reported via email and closed because they should have been reported via the web interface; nonetheless I will ask at #gnu now.
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• 4166[22:33:26] <x-fak> erm3nda , i installed the packages
• 4167[22:34:04] <erm3nda> tighvncserver too?
• 4168[22:35:22] <erm3nda> 1) run vncserver and put a password if you want, but the better if don't use (say no) as you'll use your ssh key to connect it
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• 4172[22:36:04] <erm3nda> if you used a password, u need to copy back the ~/.vnc/passwd file to use with the viewer on your desktop.
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• 4175[22:36:25] <erm3nda> so, run it and tell me if you used a password on the vncserver
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• 4177[22:36:42] <x-fak> erm3nda , i did this apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies lightdm xfonts-base tightvncserver
• 4178[22:36:59] <erm3nda> that was misstyped tightvncserver
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• 4180[22:37:10] <erm3nda> try apt-get install tighvncserver
• 4181[22:37:19] <chichikov> I just setup an ec2 instance and the file "jake_was_here"; anyone seen this before?
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• 4184[22:37:39] <chichikov> I just setup an ec2 instance and there is file "jake_was_here"; anyone seen this before?
• 4185[22:37:52] <x-fak> erm3nda , tightvnc is installed
• 4186[22:37:56] <erm3nda> there? where is there? it is a path?
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• 4188[22:38:04] <erm3nda> x-fak, okay, run vncserver
• 4189[22:38:16] <chichikov> erm3nda: in ~
• 4190[22:38:19] <x-fak> ok i dont put a password as you said
• 4191[22:38:25] <erm3nda> no matter where you run it
• 4192[22:38:46] <erm3nda> Im paranoid, I used password too :)
• 4193[22:38:52] <erm3nda> but it's not realley needed
• 4194[22:39:03] <erm3nda> if you broke ssh, you can see the vnc one
• 4195[22:39:06] <erm3nda> so it's dummy
• 4196[22:39:08] <x-fak> erm3nda , i entered a password
• 4197[22:39:32] <erm3nda> okay, copy back your ~/.vnc/passwd file to your computer
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• 4199[22:39:43] <erm3nda> use scp or sshfs, or whatever you have to copy files
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• 4202[22:40:14] <erm3nda> save as ~/.vnc/myserver as example
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• 4205[22:40:43] <erm3nda> tell me when done x-fak
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• 4207[22:41:21] <chichikov> erm3nda: there file is in ~
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• 4209[22:42:46] <x-fak> erm3nda , i've copied it
• 4210[22:43:07] <x-fak> erm3nda , i'm running windows on the client side, is it a problem?
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• 4212[22:43:32] <erm3nda> not a problem, but harder to set up
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• 4214[22:43:53] <erm3nda> you'll need putty to create the ssh connection with remote port forwarding
• 4215[22:44:02] <erm3nda> and use the vnc client you like
• 4216[22:44:03] <x-fak> i'm using putty right now
• 4217[22:44:15] <erm3nda> do you know how to attach profiles to sessions?
• 4218[22:44:26] <erm3nda> Do you use SuperPutty wrapper?
• 4219[22:44:35] <erm3nda> it helps a lot to easy start it
• 4220[22:44:35] <x-fak> i dont know
• 4221[22:44:45] <x-fak> I dont know superPutty i use Kitty
• 4222[22:44:46] <erm3nda> If you don't know you're not using it
• 4223[22:44:54] <erm3nda> Kitty? don't know Kitty
• 4224[22:45:05] <erm3nda> It is Putty based software?
• 4225[22:45:09] <x-fak> yes
• 4226[22:45:15] <x-fak> it's putty on steroid
• 4227[22:45:19] <teraflops> haha
• 4228[22:45:25] <erm3nda> The important thing here, is to be able to forward remote ports
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• 4231[22:45:31] <erm3nda> -L flag
• 4232[22:45:33] <teraflops> sorry the name is funny
• 4233[22:45:46] <erm3nda> you can do it manually if you wan't or "can"
• 4234[22:45:59] <erm3nda> ssh root@domain -L 5901:localhost:5901
• 4235[22:46:21] <x-fak> erm3nda , sorry i had SuperPutty installed
• 4236[22:46:21] <erm3nda> so, once connected you can simply use localhost:5901 on your computer and would be tunneled to localhost at your server ;)
• 4237[22:46:30] <erm3nda> You can use the one you like
• 4238[22:46:44] <erm3nda> ssh -L is just enough
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• 4240[22:47:14] <x-fak> on the remote side?
• 4241[22:47:30] <erm3nda> ssh root@domain -L 5901:localhost:5901 On your computer
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• 4243[22:47:44] <erm3nda> but if you use SuperPutty, you need to create putty profiles
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• 4245[22:47:52] <erm3nda> then set them into the SuperPutty GUI
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• 4249[22:48:46] <erm3nda> I know a good tutorial with images to do that, better than chat here
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• 4254[22:50:28] <erm3nda> replaced-url
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• 4256[22:50:58] <erm3nda> Once you touch settings, you need to go to first item, called Session and save it to be able to load later
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• 4259[22:51:47] <erm3nda> oka, found the good one, THIS IS replaced-url
• 4260[22:52:27] <erm3nda> you need also to edit the server file ~/.xstartup used by xfce4 desktop.
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• 4266[22:54:55] <erm3nda> the xstartup file only need to be edite if fails the first time
• 4267[22:55:02] <erm3nda> x-fak, what's going ? XD
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• 4269[22:55:25] <x-fak> erm3nda i need to understand what i'm doing
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• 4271[22:55:30] <x-fak> and i'm reading all
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• 4273[22:55:36] <erm3nda> nice
• 4274[22:55:48] <erm3nda> idk how much time will i stay here
• 4275[22:56:00] <awwal> A basic question: how to make 'cmus' use by default a specific theme without having to run every time "cmus :colorsheme themename" ?
• 4276[22:56:19] <erm3nda> anyway, using the tutorial you'll be able to do it
• 4277[22:56:27] <x-fak> erm3nda , on the first link they to put in host "sshJumpServer.network.local", dont know where it's coming from
• 4278[22:56:29] <erm3nda> on the vncserver, remember to use --localhost
• 4279[22:56:51] <erm3nda> which link is you viewing now?
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• 4281[22:57:08] <erm3nda> replaced-url
• 4282[22:57:17] <erm3nda> you didnt read everything i said
• 4283[22:58:32] <teraflops> ,v mpfc
• 4284[22:58:33] <judd> No package named 'mpfc' was found in amd64.
• 4285[22:58:38] <teraflops> :(
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• 4293[23:02:14] <erm3nda> x-fak, look at this replaced-url
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• 4295[23:03:00] <erm3nda> You need to click on the label "Saved Sessions" and write your desired name, then press save.
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• 4298[23:03:44] <erm3nda> Once you do that, you can open SuperPutty then create new connection then pick up your session (with options) from a selectable
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• 4300[23:04:35] <erm3nda> Every time you open that connection, you'll be connected to port 5901 on the remote server, localhost -> tunnel -> localhost (server)
• 4301[23:04:38] <erm3nda> that's all ;)
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• 4307[23:05:46] <erm3nda> Using the vnc client on linux through Linux is far more easy, just 3 commands and you're done.
• 4308[23:05:58] <x-fak> into tunnels->destination i put my public ip from my dedicated server and: 5901?
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• 4312[23:07:08] <erm3nda> ? can u share screenshot of that ?
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• 4314[23:07:33] <erm3nda> u have examples on the links i paste
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• 4316[23:07:45] <erm3nda> see how them fill that screen
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• 4322[23:08:07] <x-fak> erm3nda replaced-url
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• 4326[23:08:42] <erm3nda> put 5901 on source, both are the same
• 4327[23:08:59] <erm3nda> otherwise, you'll need to put your vnc client to localhost:8080 instead 5901
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• 4329[23:09:11] <x-fak> right
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• 4331[23:09:27] <erm3nda> don't forgot to click session and save it by a name
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• 4334[23:09:55] <erm3nda> forget :V
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• 4336[23:10:02] <erm3nda> ma engis suk
• 4337[23:10:10] <at0m> if i remember correctly, click and load session, then save.
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• 4339[23:10:29] <erm3nda> load only if you have a previous one ;)
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• 4341[23:10:37] <erm3nda> it's first time creation of the session file
• 4342[23:10:44] <at0m> used it last a decade ago, so putty might have changed
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• 4345[23:11:03] <erm3nda> Im sure it can be fired just with putty and no SupperPutty
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• 4347[23:11:17] <erm3nda> But don't know it's command line
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• 4350[23:11:55] <erm3nda> I don't use Windows software from a Year ago, and never used SSH seriously on Windows. A server was a pain, even with freeSSHd
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• 4352[23:12:25] <erm3nda> Love terminal, but hate commands :) wanna mind reader
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• 4354[23:12:38] <at0m> xming does x server like for ssh -X forwarding on windows
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• 4356[23:12:53] <erm3nda> -X forwarding is a network suicide
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• 4358[23:13:25] <erm3nda> xserver-xorg is not designed to avoid data bandwidth, consume so much data
• 4359[23:13:34] <erm3nda> that's why vnc was build :)
• 4360[23:13:49] <at0m> yea if network gets killed, so does the -X apps depending on it. but x-fak's just looking to run speedtest on his server, in a browser.
• 4361[23:13:55] <erm3nda> and the libdamage to move the less data possible every frame
• 4362[23:14:09] <erm3nda> -X is nice to test, but not good for regular use
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• 4364[23:15:11] <erm3nda> vnc viewer will be killed if ssh connection dies, is not different to -X windows
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• 4367[23:15:31] <at0m> yea but the apps in the vnc connection will persist
• 4368[23:15:49] <at0m> ... and the vnc can be resumed later
• 4369[23:16:09] <erm3nda> i didn't face problems on the vnc
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• 4372[23:16:37] <erm3nda> of course, vnc will persist ;)
• 4373[23:16:40] <erm3nda> i never turn it off
• 4374[23:16:58] <at0m> i never use it. cos cli.
• 4375[23:17:33] <erm3nda> U never need to run a GUI software then
• 4376[23:17:47] <erm3nda> u can use xhepyr or -xvfb if you want
• 4377[23:18:00] <erm3nda> but what if you wanna debug or see them? even control? vnc is good enough for me
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• 4379[23:18:04] <at0m> not remotely no. i use X apps locally.
• 4380[23:18:06] <erm3nda> not memory hungry
• 4381[23:18:24] <erm3nda> -X firefox is not fast, as example
• 4382[23:18:37] <at0m> why would i run firefox remotely?
• 4383[23:18:45] <erm3nda> I don't know why, but i did
• 4384[23:18:57] <erm3nda> even run X windows on my android device ;) xeyes
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• 4388[23:20:40] <x-fak> erm3nda , it's working
• 4389[23:20:58] <x-fak> but i dont get why you suggest to use 5901 as local port?
• 4390[23:21:11] <at0m> yay, more vuln software on your dedi.
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• 4397[23:21:53] <x-fak> ah right, because as it's vnc default port you just have to put the host into vnc remote host?
• 4398[23:22:23] <x-fak> at0m , i will probably remove all this tomorrow, i'm just doing this to learn and have fun
• 4399[23:23:00] <x-fak> because it's added 500mb of bloat on my brand new server, not so good :)
• 4400[23:23:01] <at0m> that's when you'd run that in a VM ;)
• 4401[23:23:03] <erm3nda> x-fak, i usually don't connect vnc to myself at 5901
• 4402[23:23:16] <erm3nda> so using the same port is like more appropiated, and less work to configure vncviewers
• 4403[23:23:17] <x-fak> at0m ?
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• 4405[23:23:27] <erm3nda> it is vncviewer working for you?
• 4406[23:23:37] <erm3nda> im not sure what you did now
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• 4408[23:23:41] <at0m> x-fak: a virtual machine doesn't touch the host OS?
• 4409[23:23:43] <x-fak> erm3nda , i use tight vnc on windows and yes it's working
• 4410[23:23:58] <erm3nda> vncserver is not a virtual machine
• 4411[23:24:18] <x-fak> at0m , i dont know how to boot a live CD on a remote dedicated server
• 4412[23:24:19] <erm3nda> x-fak, perfect man :) im glad it works for you
• 4413[23:24:38] <erm3nda> live cd on dedicated server?
• 4414[23:24:43] <erm3nda> remote dedicated server?
• 4415[23:26:01] <x-fak> erm3nda , at0m is suggesting me to do that into a virtual machine
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• 4417[23:26:11] <erm3nda> your provider should support ISO attaching plus remote screen, available to show you a secured vnc that allows you to set up it
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• 4420[23:26:20] <erm3nda> vultr does allow that as I remember
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• 4422[23:26:33] <erm3nda> to do what?
• 4423[23:26:37] <x-fak> my provider is not providing that i fear
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• 4426[23:26:50] <erm3nda> x-fak, im nearly sure that is not offering it :)
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• 4428[23:27:09] <x-fak> it's some advanced feature that i've never seen
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• 4430[23:28:23] <erm3nda> i only see it on vultr. as they offer custom ISO once confirmed account ,the allow you to setup the install
• 4431[23:28:32] <x-fak> erm3nda , ty for your help
• 4432[23:28:37] <erm3nda> some vps or dedicated server also have vnc JAVA app
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• 4435[23:28:52] <x-fak> the graphic interface is ugly
• 4436[23:28:52] <erm3nda> that allows you to connect to your system
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• 4438[23:29:00] <erm3nda> arubacloud does that, 1hostplus too
• 4439[23:29:08] <x-fak> erm3nda , yeah i jave the VNC java app
• 4440[23:29:12] <erm3nda> yes is ugly
• 4441[23:29:24] <erm3nda> lxde is even uglier
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• 4444[23:29:32] <erm3nda> you can install cinnamon or gnome if you want
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• 4446[23:29:38] <erm3nda> at memory and resources cost
• 4447[23:29:48] <erm3nda> if your server is not good enough may be laggy
• 4448[23:30:15] <x-fak> i find this server very fast
• 4449[23:30:30] <erm3nda> try it ;) you can remove if dont like it
• 4450[23:30:35] <erm3nda> i used cinnamon on my desktop ;)
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• 4454[23:30:49] <erm3nda> i dont use so much vnc on servers, just to control -X apps
• 4455[23:30:59] <x-fak> hmm, it takes a lot of memory though
• 4456[23:31:01] <x-fak> Mem: 1.0G 936M 87M 18M 0B 866M
• 4457[23:31:10] <erm3nda> I manage the files from sshfs, so don't use desktop so much
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• 4459[23:31:28] <erm3nda> what's taking that memory?
• 4460[23:31:33] <erm3nda> hdd?
• 4461[23:31:37] <erm3nda> ram?
• 4462[23:31:46] <x-fak> RAM
• 4463[23:31:52] <x-fak> free command
• 4464[23:31:58] <erm3nda> try htop
• 4465[23:32:11] <erm3nda> how much ram did it consume before you install desktop?
• 4466[23:32:23] <x-fak> i dont know :(
• 4467[23:32:30] <x-fak> but i guess a lot less
• 4468[23:32:33] <erm3nda> so how do you know how much it grow?
• 4469[23:32:41] <erm3nda> im using 230Mb ram
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• 4471[23:32:54] <erm3nda> ill start vnc now, xfce4 and i'll tell you the difference
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• 4474[23:33:34] <erm3nda> no changes, as it was running even if not moving on
• 4475[23:33:52] <erm3nda> 231Mb ram and 174Mb on swap
• 4476[23:34:01] <erm3nda> use htop and look what's taking your memory
• 4477[23:34:14] <erm3nda> apt-get install htop
• 4478[23:34:21] <erm3nda> xfce4 has also a task manager i guess
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• 4480[23:35:40] <x-fak> what takes memory are the multiple process xcfe-panel xcfe4-terminal xfdesktop
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• 4485[23:37:23] <erm3nda> seems you're not looking good the Mb meter
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• 4487[23:37:39] <erm3nda> free command doesn't tell you clearly how much memory is ACTUALLY being used
• 4488[23:37:50] <erm3nda> look at google for "linuxatemyram"
• 4489[23:37:54] <erm3nda> then understand it
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• 4491[23:38:06] <erm3nda> later, install htop and you'll have a good coloured graph about your system resources
• 4492[23:38:18] <erm3nda> htop is terminal based
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• 4496[23:38:47] <erm3nda> is top on steroids, more like a task-manager on the cli
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• 4498[23:39:03] <x-fak> erm3nda , i had htop already installed
• 4499[23:39:11] <x-fak> and it's reporting the same as free -h
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• 4503[23:41:03] <markybob> x-fak: it's because you don't understand what cached memory is. you didn't google like you were told
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• 4507[23:43:37] <frostschutz> x-fak, if you have 866M available, out of 1G, there shouldn't be a problem?
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• 4510[23:47:12] <NoCode> Is 1gb RAM too little to do a LAMP + postfix + Dovecot + sasl server going?
• 4511[23:47:18] <x-fak> frostschutz replaced-url
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• 4517[23:48:22] <frostschutz> x-fak, that's 71M used, 952M free
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• 4523[23:49:56] <x-fak> frostschutz , ok i have to check the cache line
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• 4525[23:50:12] <frostschutz> x-fak, it's normal for linux to use all free ram for caching (until something actually needs ram for something else). it even swaps out unused stuff to have even more ram for caching. with slow hdds caching is a huge performance bonus and the ram is there to be used
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• 4528[23:52:04] <x-fak> frostschutz , ok
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• 4533[23:54:20] <x-fak> as i understand the proper way to check actual avalaible ram is checking the BUFFER/CACHE
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