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16 [00:05:42] <Loeb> More progress on my screensaver crashing:
It seems to happen a little bit after the screensaver loads. Also
seems to happen if I switch TTYs regardless of the lockscreen state,
and it DOESN'T happen if I've opened the screensaver in
preview.
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20 [00:06:35] <Loeb> What is happening is I'm getting a
blinking cursor on one screen and nothing on the others (they go to
sleep). Switching TTYs doesn't seem to work, the prompt pops up
for a frame and goes away.
21 [00:06:42] <Loeb> But I can shut down and see the shutdown
process fine.
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41 [00:16:08] <sm00th> hey guys does anyone know if the cursor
theme is random when installing from kde iso?
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47 [00:18:01] <trysten> Why does ln -sL
<symlink>/path/to/file ignore the -L?
48 [00:18:16] <sm00th> hmm wtf my /usr/bin/plasma-desktop using
25% cpu
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54 [00:22:12] <sm00th> ok it stopped not sure why that was
happeneing, maybe plasma-desktop was checking for updates?
55 [00:23:24] <sm00th> anybody know if the cursor theme is
random when installing the kde iso?
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72 [00:27:55] <agent_usa> Hi guys...question...is there a list
of debian-friendly laptops anywhere?
73 [00:28:48] <agent_usa> I have been able to install ubuntu on
any old or new laptop...like 6 different models. I tried on a new
lenovo one and no luck.
74 [00:29:04] <agent_usa> With debian that is.
75 [00:29:27] <agent_usa> Debian said something like it needed
two different "non free" files.
76 [00:29:32] <trysten> newer computers are tricky because of
UEFI. do you know if secure boot is enabled, agent_usa?
77 [00:29:32] <FinalX> Dell is known to be quite ok with Linux
in general, they even packed it with Ubuntu for a while if I'm
not mistaken; also see
replaced-url
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79 [00:29:56] <agent_usa> Yeah I turned off secure boot...I put
it in legacy mode.
80 [00:30:04] <FinalX> oh, was answering based on the first
part, I'll crawl back under my rock :P
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82 [00:30:16] <agent_usa> The install was working...the issues
was that neither the mouse nor wifi card worked.
83 [00:30:27] <trysten> right. what messages are you getting
specifically
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85 [00:30:58] <TomTomTo1> you can add the missing firmare during
the install or use an iso containing non-free firmware.
86 [00:31:05] <agent_usa> Hmm well I no longer have the laptop
with me but it said something like it required a certain non-free
firmware and gave a file name.
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88 [00:31:28] <trysten> agent_usa: you may need non-free
software to get it to work. it may not be a big deal to get it, like
just enabling the non-free part of the repository and installing a
firmware installer.
89 [00:32:11] <agent_usa> OK I see...I was frustrated so I just
returned the laptop.
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91 [00:32:35] <agent_usa> Do any of you guys have debian running
on a $300 or under laptop?
92 [00:32:53] <markybob> yes
93 [00:33:20] <agent_usa> And did you have to install the
non-free firmware thing?
94 [00:33:25] <rainfyre> oh heck yes
95 [00:33:31] <markybob> for wifi, yes.
96 [00:33:34] <rainfyre> oh, i meant about the under 300 dollar
thing
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99 [00:34:18] <rainfyre> agent_usa: you can also download a
non-free image, all of my drivers were there and everything worked
out of the box that way last time i instaleld
100 [00:34:23] <agent_usa> What models are you guys using? And
did you have to install non free firmware?
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102 [00:35:09] <markybob> i don't see how my history matters
103 [00:35:14] <rainfyre> i've installed debian on 2
different lenovos, and 3 different dells recently. they all need
non-free firmware, you probably will too unless you have a laptop
with an open source wifi driver
104 [00:35:15] <agent_usa> Yeah I was excited about the "all
free" thing out of principle. But I might have to compromise on
that to actually have the computer "work"?
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106 [00:35:35] <rainfyre> ohhhhh
107 [00:35:36] <rainfyre> no
108 [00:35:42] <rainfyre> you don't have to pay for the non
free drivers
109 [00:35:56] <rainfyre> non-free doesn't mean you have to
pay for them
110 [00:36:00] <agent_usa> Oh.
111 [00:36:12] <rainfyre> it means they're not
"free" according to Debian's definition.
112 [00:36:27] <agent_usa> I see now.
113 [00:36:39] <agent_usa> Like closed versus open source?
114 [00:36:57] <rainfyre> exactly
115 [00:37:06] <rainfyre> but they're freely available
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117 [00:38:00] <rainfyre> you add "non-free" to the end
of your /etc/apt/sources.list line and apt-get update again and then
apt-get install "youy_driver_pkgname"
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120 [00:38:38] <rainfyre> agent_usa: you can also download a
debian image that's got the non-free repos enabled already,
it's very easy for a beginner..
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123 [00:40:43] <agent_usa> rainfyre cool, can you point me to
that?
124 [00:40:57] <rainfyre> yep let me ask google
125 [00:41:08] <markybob>
cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
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129 [00:41:30] <rainfyre> markybob is faster than I am :)
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134 [00:43:00] <agent_usa> Seems like these all require the
network to be working to install. There's no DVD-sized full
install with the non-free firmware?
135 [00:43:28] <markybob> no. but it doesnt. you can do a minimal
install with it without network access
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137 [00:43:44] <rainfyre> yep
138 [00:43:54] <agent_usa> Oh I see. Then I can upgrade to the
full one once on the net?
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140 [00:44:03] <markybob> right
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143 [00:46:08] <agent_usa> Ok I will give that a shot...thanks.
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158 [00:51:39] <agent_usa> So after I complete the mini-install
what do I do to get the full install?
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162 [00:53:11] <TomTomTosch> if you use the firmware iso you will
most likely be able to set the network up inside the installer. it
then gives you the option to install the DE of your choice.
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164 [00:54:14] <TomTomTosch> if for some reason you and up in a
system without de you can just install it after setting up your
connection. for that debian provides meta packages for most popular
desktop envs. e.g. task-gnome-desktop
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168 [00:54:57] <agent_usa> Ok Tom thanks. So task-gnome-desktop
gives me all the software I get with the big 4 gb iso?
169 [00:55:00] <TomTomTosch>
task-[gnome|kde|xfce|mate|lxde]-desktop
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171 [00:55:57] <TomTomTosch> you were talking about a
'mini-install'. you don't need the dvd iso for that,
only the 700ish MB netinst.
172 [00:56:34] <TomTomTosch> also, the firmware iso linked above
is probably what you want to use.
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175 [00:57:10] <markybob> 700ish is a damn large netisnt :P
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177 [00:57:37] <TomTomTosch> uh, 300ish ;D
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181 [00:59:01] <agent_usa> I was gonna use this one:
182 [00:59:02] <agent_usa> firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
2016-06-04 17:34 266M
183 [00:59:08] <agent_usa> Looks like 266 MB.
184 [00:59:16] <agent_usa> Is that the right one?
185 [00:59:17] <markybob> that's right
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192 [01:00:24] <agent_usa> And if I don't want to do the
full install at the time, later I can do apt-get install
task-gnome-desktop?
193 [01:00:40] <markybob> sure
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195 [01:00:59] <agent_usa> Ok thanks.
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198 [01:01:53] <trysten> soo, why is my samba.service unit
masked?
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200 [01:02:52] <rbern> hey all. I've beed developing
"debroot" and I'm now following this:
replaced-url
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202 [01:03:37] <rbern> ATM I'm trying with live-installer
persent in debian live isos and it seems to work, but it will take
hours to install...
203 [01:03:44] <rbern> *present
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206 [01:04:17] <sm00th> agent_usa, you can use a cdrom install
for gnome instead of dvd
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209 [01:04:17] <sm00th> thats what I did for kde had the best
results with that it was like 1.5 gb
210 [01:04:17] <sm00th> or actually i think 650mb
211 [01:04:17] <sm00th> one of the two lol
212 [01:04:17] <sm00th> but does anyoen know if kde iso install
has a random cursor theme?
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218 [01:06:31] <TomTomTosch> better use the firmware iso if you
had problems getting your wlan to work.
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220 [01:06:50] <sm00th> debhelper is rude
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231 [01:11:56] <TomTomTosch> sm00th: pretty sure kde has a
default cursor theme. what made you think it's random?
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235 [01:15:13] <TomTomTosch> should be 'breeze' with
plasma 5. same as the desktop theme.
236 [01:15:27] <somiaj> !enter
237 [01:15:28] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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239 [01:15:44] <rbern> omg, its working. debian-installer
partitioning has auto created the ESP partition. It's working!
Let's see if grub also cooperates. /me Happy :)
240 [01:15:47] <somiaj> sm00th: debhelper kicks if there are too
many lines in a short period of time. Don't hit enter so often.
(:
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261 [01:21:58] <posi> Any examples of how to file a good rfp?
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269 [01:27:11] <diego_> hello, can anybody help me understand how
to use files in
replaced-url
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272 [01:29:44] <trysten> do, i ran "systemctl default"
and it turned off my network connection. Is this expected behavior?
I'd think since it's supposed to be the default boot
target that it would include bringing up the network interface.
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279 [01:31:41] <somiaj> trysten: what is the output of
'systemctl get-default'
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282 [01:32:32] <trysten> somiaj: graphical
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287 [01:32:55] <trysten> which is weird because it's
headless.
288 [01:33:02] <trysten> doesn't have X
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295 [01:35:23] <sm00th> somiaj, you mean don't type so fast
lol
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297 [01:35:36] <sm00th> TomTomTosch, because everytime i install
debian from the kde iso, the curos is a different color...
298 [01:35:44] <sm00th> *cursor
299 [01:36:19] <sm00th> TomTomTosch, is that somethign to be
suspicious about? i always check the sig on the hash and check hash.
300 [01:36:26] <jgalt> I have a dell inspiron 9300 (1 GB ram,
Intel Pentium M 750 / 1.86 GHz, atheros wifi that I'd like to
install debian (lxde/xfce) on. what's a better choice for this
machine... Wheezy or Jessie?
301 [01:36:37] <trysten> well, sm00th, you can type plenty. the
bot only get's mad if you keep sending lines to the irc by
pressing enter. one or two people in here might even hear a ding
every time someone presses enter, so use it wisely
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305 [01:37:11] <sm00th> ok
306 [01:37:15] <trysten> jgalt: imo: jessie. it's hardly
heavier, as far as i know
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309 [01:38:10] <sm00th> TomTomTosch, first time it was red second
time it was yellow, 3rd time it was the default white lol, this time
it was brown.
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311 [01:39:06] <sm00th> TomTomTosch, ist hat the hackers who
infected my bios letting me know subversively, or is it just a
random thing, like how xp user pics use to be random on install.
312 [01:39:12] <sm00th> or maybe that was hackers back then too
haha.
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316 [01:39:14] <somiaj> sm00th: or hit enter so often, i.e. put
your thoughts on a single line instead of having 4-5 lines in a row.
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318 [01:39:40] <sm00th> somiaj, what about this cursor issue i
have, anything to address about it?
319 [01:39:47] <sm00th> somiaj, do you find it strange?
320 [01:40:27] <debidi> sm00th: your paranoia is nicely
progressing my dear fellow
321 [01:40:28] <trysten> sm00th: i do find it strange. find out
where the color is configured and go from there
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324 [01:40:40] <trysten> sm00th: it's definitely not
'hackers'
325 [01:40:56] <sm00th> trysten, you think its by design on the
kde iso installer?
326 [01:41:01] <trysten> although, i'm pretty sure
that's exactly who set my XP profile pic to some jerk on a
skateboard.
327 [01:41:07] <TomTomTosch> sounds like a weird bug.
328 [01:41:08] <sm00th> trysten, would love someone to confirm
lol
329 [01:41:12] <somiaj> sm00th: unsure, I don't use desktops
or cursuor themes, so I wouldn't know where to look. Note
sometimes stuff is loaded from $HOME as opposed to the system and
due to settings from different distros (i.e. if you don't have
a clean $HOME) or configs, you will get what appears to be random
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332 [01:41:32] <sm00th> trysten, oh i never got that one. I think
the default was the chess pieces, but on occassion i would be diff
lol.
333 [01:41:54] <trysten> sm00th: no, it randomly selects one for
you.
334 [01:42:03] <trysten> #debian-offtopic i think
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336 [01:42:09] <sm00th> trysten, on xp? ok I always figured that
tks for confirming.
337 [01:42:16] <sm00th> trysten, what about debian kde? lol
338 [01:42:36] <sm00th> noone likes kde no more?
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340 [01:43:04] <trysten> sm00th: like i said, you need to figure
out where the color is configured. try searching the internet. i
don't use desktops either so my experience won't help you.
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343 [01:43:29] <sm00th> trysten, no desktops jeez, so boring...
344 [01:43:35] <sm00th> trysten, i wouldnt know where to look
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347 [01:44:37] <trysten> sm00th: google: kde cursor color. or
#kde
348 [01:44:48] <sm00th> trysten, this only happens on debian
though
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351 [01:45:57] <trysten> sm00th: check /usr/share/icons
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354 [01:46:47] <jgalt>
replaced-url
355 [01:47:06] <sm00th> trysten, there is a folder called
default.kde4 in there.
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357 [01:48:18] <sm00th> trysten, I know that the default for kde
is oxygen, but thats not what it used on install
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359 [01:48:40] <trysten> sm00th:
replaced-url
360 [01:49:20] <jgalt> (looking for an i386 netinstall cd that
comes with an assortment of wifi card drivers including nonfree.)
361 [01:49:37] <sm00th> trysten, that doesn't answer my
question though.
362 [01:49:46] <sm00th> is there a debian-kde channel?
363 [01:49:50] <TomTomTosch> if you used the kde iso it probably
did not install all packages from kde-full. maybe the one containing
the theme is missing.
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366 [01:50:10] <sm00th> TomTomTosch, i think you misread. it uses
a diff cursor them everytime I install it.
367 [01:50:21] <sm00th> it seems to be random.
368 [01:50:25] <somiaj> !tell jgalt about firmware images
369 [01:50:40] <sm00th> I just want to make sure its not someone
messing with me. if thats paranoid so be it. but its 2016.
370 [01:50:41] <TomTomTosch> i did not misread. that part just
sounds like a bug in the kde iso.
371 [01:50:45] <somiaj> jgalt: use the link the bot sent you
372 [01:51:10] <sm00th> TomTomTosch, maybe, be nice to confirm
with someone else that has used a kde iso, but I guess I'm the
only one lol
373 [01:51:18] <trysten> sm00th: yes, it's paranoid. we
can't help you with that. if you can ask a more specific
question..
374 [01:51:42] <sm00th> trysten, I would not think you naive in
the 90s, but in 2016 shame on you lol
375 [01:52:02] <trysten> other way around.
376 [01:52:05] <sm00th> its so crazy, windows keeps improving
their security, while linux keeps slacking on it, more and more each
year.
377 [01:52:12] <trysten> hahaha get out
378 [01:52:14] <sm00th> I find that sad for linux world.
379 [01:52:19] <sm00th> trysten, its the truth man.
380 [01:52:35] <trysten> if you want to continue this discussion
please move to #debian-offtopic
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382 [01:52:57] <sm00th> xp had horrible security, stepped it up
tremendously with win 7, now windows 10 has some privacy issues, but
privacy /= security.
383 [01:53:24] <sm00th> linux in the 90s had many maintained
defensive programs. using them was encouraged, many were into
security. now that is less and less each year in linux world.
384 [01:53:35] <themill> sm00th: wrong channel
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387 [01:54:08] <sm00th> in the 90s i would of been called crazy
to say bios could be infected. even though it was way easier back
then, then it is now. (besides os access) its not longer a myth.
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390 [01:56:48] <sm00th> TomTomTosch, the live debian installers
are way more bugged.
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392 [01:56:58] <sm00th> they missing kernel modules even.
393 [01:57:09] <jgalt> somiaj: thanks. link noted.
394 [01:57:33] <TomTomTosch> then don't use the live iso to
install debian.
395 [01:57:47] <sm00th> TomTomTosch, ya i wouldn't recommend
them for people to install from.
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397 [01:57:57] <TomTomTosch> no one does.
398 [01:58:10] <sm00th> the guy here earlier said he was going
to. I pm'd him not to.
399 [01:58:16] <sm00th> agent_usa
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401 [01:58:26] * trysten will only use grub-install and debootstrap
402 [01:58:28] <sm00th> i told him the cdrom iso is very small.
403 [01:58:37] <somiaj> The live images also provide two
different installers. One is used from isnide the live image and
just makes an image of it, the other you have to boot into, and that
is more akin to the debian installer
404 [01:58:51] <sm00th> actually agent_usa was gong to use
netinstall, it was someone else was gonna use a live installer.
405 [01:59:14] <sm00th> somiaj, live installer from kde also has
the different colored icon everytime lol
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407 [01:59:26] <sm00th> *cursor
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409 [01:59:50] <sm00th> somiaj, but it was also missing apparmor
module in the kernel among other things
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411 [02:00:23] <jgalt> will the multi-arch (amd64-i386) install
cd's aleviate the need for having seperate install cd's
for each? will these cd's install both architectures or just
the appropriate one for the hardware? (don't need the bloat on
32bit systems)
412 [02:00:36] <themill> sm00th: It might be best if you focus on
solving your own particular support problem right now.
413 [02:00:43] * rbern debian-installer/live-installer grub-efi
installation went well apparently. waiting for the end of the
install to reboot in uefi mode from a rebuilt debian live image with
"debroot".
414 [02:00:51] <sm00th> themill, lmao
415 [02:00:55] <sm00th> ban me and get it over with...
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474 [02:38:31] <rbern> Success confirmed. "debroot"
does rebuild a debian 7/8/testinh live iso without uefi and makes it
uefi compatible. cheers!
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476 [02:38:38] <rbern> *testing
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533 [03:16:03] <tortib> I want to know how I can upgrade just
gnome-terminal to the testing branch
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548 [03:34:19] <hiexpo> !upgrade
549 [03:34:19] <dpkg> [upgrade] what keeps your box from getting
r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first,
and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you
upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes
first. Ask me about <squeeze->wheezy>
<wheezy->jessie>.
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551 [03:34:35] <hiexpo> !testing
552 [03:34:36] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<stretch>. See
replaced-url
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559 [03:38:26] <m5w_> Hello. I booted my system without mounting
any drives by passing init=/bin/bash as a boot parameter so I could
use zerofree. (I'm running debian as a guest on VirtualBox.)
How should I shut the system down? shutdown fails with `Failed to
talk to init daemon.'
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562 [03:40:43] <Avasz> I am using stretch, is this the channel to
ask for help or is there someother channel for debian testing?
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570 [03:46:21] <Avasz> My problem is that, krunner and app
launcher both stopped searching for anything at all after I updated
a few days back.
571 [03:46:59] <hiexpo> !testing
572 [03:47:00] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<stretch>. See
replaced-url
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574 [03:47:46] <hiexpo> #debian off topic
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672 [04:47:26] <vook> is there any hope to unmount a stale nfs
mount without reboot when 'umount -lf' and lsof fail?
673 [04:47:54] <vook> lsof and fuser -m on the mount just hang
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681 [04:55:50] <awal1> top, htop, nmon and similar apps shows
several process's of chromium depending on how many tabs are
open; I guess it's because of "sandboxing"?
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687 [04:56:42] <awal1> but they only show one process of firefox
even if several tabs are open.
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691 [04:58:37] <awal1> wondering if firefox sandboxing is just a
myth or I dont know what happens exactly
692 [05:00:27] <awal1> only htop shows several process of firefox
too
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701 [05:05:46] <jak2000> hi all
702 [05:06:06] <jak2000> i edited visudo and added this line:
Defaults:jak timestamp_timeout=40 but not respect the time, why?
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745 [05:39:20] <n_blownapart> hi how and where would I write a
terminal command or shortcut for something like '$ git pull
replaced-url
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765 [06:07:28] <chaddy> in ~/bin/gitpull.sh
766 [06:07:38] <chaddy> using an editor
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768 [06:07:56] <jak2000> i edited visudo and added this line:
Defaults:jak timestamp_timeout=40 but not respect the time, why?
769 [06:08:34] <chaddy> jak2000: perhaps log out and back in
again
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773 [06:11:34] <jak2000> chaddy ok
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775 [06:12:10] <jak2000> other thing i am conectting from putty,
to my serverr remotely. my question is why when again access the
server not exist the last commands?
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777 [06:12:42] <chaddy> do you mean "why is bash history
missing?"
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781 [06:14:07] <jak2000> yes
782 [06:14:25] <jak2000> how to: before close the session,
execute a command for save the history?
783 [06:15:31] <chaddy> exit
784 [06:15:36] <chaddy> or ctrl-d
785 [06:15:57] <chaddy> presumably you have been closing putty
from windows, this is not the preferred way
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788 [06:16:46] <jak2000> ok
789 [06:17:22] <jak2000> i tested 2 things: 1) type exit and 2, i
am disconnected from the server unexpectly,, and not save the last
commands history :(
790 [06:17:57] <chaddy> you typed exit and return?
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792 [06:18:05] <goatse-security> hello
793 [06:18:07] <chaddy> you did not expect to exit?
794 [06:18:12] <goatse-security> do you like goatse?
795 [06:18:25] <chaddy> everyone likes goatse.cx
796 [06:18:31] <goatse-security> LOL
797 [06:18:45] <goatse-security> lets go hack your mom's
webcam
798 [06:19:06] <goatse-security> see if she likes fucking goatse
799 [06:19:23] <jak2000> chaddy exit and hit return key
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801 [06:20:25] <chaddy> and what did you expect to happen,
jak2000?
802 [06:20:41] <goatse-security> * * * * * Vote for weev! MAKE
THE G.N.A.A. GREAT AGAIN!!! * * * *
803 [06:21:09] <goatse-security> oops, asymmetrical number of
stars. lets try that again
804 [06:21:11] <goatse-security> * * * * * Vote for weev! MAKE
THE G.N.A.A. GREAT AGAIN!!! * * * * *
805 [06:21:15] <goatse-security> much better!
806 [06:21:25] <chaddy> jak2000: this may be worth reading:
replaced-url
807 [06:21:26] <jak2000> save in history the last commands...
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809 [06:21:49] <chaddy> how do you expect to access your history,
jak2000?
810 [06:21:58] <jak2000> with command history
811 [06:22:04] <goatse-security> * * * * * Vote for weev! MAKE
THE G.N.A.A. GREAT AGAIN!!! * * * * *
812 [06:22:05] <jak2000> and/or with up and down keys
813 [06:22:06] <Rusty1_> !ops goatse-security is being a bit of a
pain
814 [06:22:06] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rusty1_
complains about: goatse-security is being a bit of a pain
815 [06:22:10] <goatse-security> sorry
816 [06:22:18] <goatse-security> but why are you harassing me?
817 [06:22:26] <chaddy> jak2000: there may be a permissions issue
or such on your histfile
818 [06:23:05] <jak2000> mmm not sure
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820 [06:23:37] <chaddy> jak2000: read through that link for now
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823 [06:23:46] <jak2000> ok
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825 [06:23:49] <jak2000> thanks
826 [06:23:54] <chaddy> no worries
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830 [06:25:25] <lszyba1> hello, anybody might have an idea why
debian stable after upgrade from 4.3 to 4.5 (and 4.6) kernal-image
gives me no lvm root partition found. it works just find in 4.3 but
I cannot boot into kernel 4.6
831 [06:25:38] <goatse-security> !ops goatsex
832 [06:25:38] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: goatse-security
complains about: goatsex
833 [06:25:40] <lszyba1> installed 4.6 form backports
834 [06:25:43] <goatse-security> !ops * * * * * Vote for weev!
MAKE THE G.N.A.A. GREAT AGAIN!!! * * * * *
835 [06:25:43] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: goatse-security
complains about: * * * * * Vote for weev! MAKE THE G.N.A.A. GREAT
AGAIN!!! * * * * *
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841 [06:29:28] <lszyba1> anybody might have a clue where to
start. I update-initrmfs reinstalled grub...upgraded lvm2...Iis
there some issues with kernel 4.5 and 4.6 that need additional wait
or?
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848 [06:33:36] <lszyba1> I am running nvme device if that helps
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851 [06:38:29] <lszyba1> from what O
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853 [06:39:07] <lszyba1> from waht I'm reading it looks like
update-initramfs -c -k 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
854 [06:39:07] <lszyba1> update-initramfs: Generating
/boot/initrd.img-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 is missing lvm2 support ...is
there a command that will list if it does or does not?
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857 [06:40:27] <sbstn> lszyba1: if you run update-initramfs in
verbose mode it shoud list what gets included
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866 [06:45:16] <lszyba1> sbstn: Calling hook lvm2 Adding binary
/sbin/lvm
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869 [06:48:48] <lszyba1> let me try rebooting to see if redoing
the initramfs is working
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873 [06:49:26] <sbstn> lszyba1: if you get to the initramfs shell
you could try to investigate why lvm fails to mount root from there
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878 [06:51:52] <lszyba1> when I did that lvm said it can't
find any partitions...is there a command that looks for it? I did
the command -ay that enables it but it didn't find it....I
guess...waht is the command for loading lvm2 or checking why it
can't find root
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881 [06:53:07] <lszyba1> sbstn: let me reboot...i;ll get
disconnected...be right back..
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898 [07:02:42] <lszyba1> nogo
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902 [07:06:22] <sbstn> do you mean /sbin/lvm wasn't found?
903 [07:07:16] <lszyba1> i can issue lvm command. I do pvsacn
"no lvm devices found"
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906 [07:13:07] <sbstn> and the block device is present
(/dev/sdXY)?
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911 [07:16:16] <deadbit> i'm having a problem changing my
password
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913 [07:16:22] <deadbit> do i need to sudo passwd
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919 [07:21:44] <lszyba1> I have no idea waht the problem might
be...why would one kernel boot but not the other...?
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921 [07:22:55] <lszyba1> sbstn: I'll check if /dev/nvme0
922 [07:22:55] <lszyba1> nvme0 nvme0n1 nvme0n1p1 nvme0n1p2
nvme0n1p5
923 [07:23:01] <sbstn> lszyba1: there was another person with
issues booting into backports kernel, however I don't know how
it turned out in the end
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927 [07:24:36] <lszyba1> sbstn:thanks...I'll have to resume
this some other time...its getting late..thx..I'll try to
search for that info...
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1048 [08:52:20] <xxstardustxx> Hi there
1049 [08:52:38] <jelly> hi
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1051 [08:52:51] <xxstardustxx> My PC fails to boot CDs and goes
straight into GRUB
1052 [08:52:53] <xxstardustxx> :(
1053 [08:53:29] <battery> how can i install apache4?
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1055 [08:54:05] <jelly> battery: no such thing, did you mean 2.4?
1056 [08:54:24] <battery> then apache 3?
1057 [08:54:40] <xxstardustxx> To repair my PC I need to boot an
OS which is impossible now
1058 [08:54:50] <xxstardustxx> coz it refuses to boot CDs
1059 [08:55:03] <jelly> battery: do a web search for apache httpd,
learn about which latest version there is
1060 [08:55:21] <battery> jelly: yes
1061 [08:55:29] <battery> how can i install it?
1062 [08:55:33] <battery> apache
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1065 [08:55:54] <sbstn> xxstardustxx: broken cd drive? broken
disk? boot order?
1066 [08:56:06] <unborn> battery: sudo apt-get install apache
1067 [08:56:16] <battery> sudo apt-get install apache2?
1068 [08:56:20] <xxstardustxx> boot order is fine, tested multiple
discs, cd drive works fine on a diff PC
1069 [08:56:22] <jelly> battery: which debian release are you
using? It's typically as easy as "apt-get install
apache"
1070 [08:56:33] <battery> jelly: yes debian
1071 [08:56:37] <battery> thanks
1072 [08:56:38] <battery> :)
1073 [08:56:49] <jelly> battery: which debian version do you have
installed?
1074 [08:56:56] <unborn> battery: yeah sudo apt-get install
apache2
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1076 [08:57:11] <battery> unborn: thanks
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1079 [08:57:24] <xxstardustxx> sbstn: anything else I should
check?
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1081 [08:57:41] <battery> jelly: RASPBIAN
1082 [08:58:02] <sbstn> xxstardustxx: cabling, could try different
sata port
1083 [08:58:02] <jelly> best ask in #raspbian channel, then,
battery
1084 [08:58:09] <battery> oh
1085 [08:58:13] <battery> good idea
1086 [08:58:14] <battery> thanks
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1088 [08:59:38] <xxstardustxx> sbstn: This has been happening
since the last puppy linux install which I stopped halfway thru then
messed up my PC :(
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1090 [08:59:56] <xxstardustxx> shouldn't have done that
1091 [09:00:07] <xxstardustxx> but that doesn't affect CD
boot I guess
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1093 [09:00:36] <sbstn> it doesn't
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1095 [09:01:47] <xxstardustxx> Ok, I will look up sata ports then
I don't what sata ports are
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1100 [09:03:42] <sbstn> xxstardustxx: is the machine in question a
desktop?
1101 [09:03:54] <xxstardustxx> yeah
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1103 [09:04:39] <xxstardustxx> hmm Ok now I've an idea of
what sata ports are, I can try any sata port thats empty, right?
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1105 [09:04:48] <sbstn> xxstardustxx: try plugging the disk drive
to another port on motherboard, and check the cable is properly
connected at both ends
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1109 [09:05:19] <xxstardustxx> sbstn: Okay thanks
1110 [09:05:25] <sbstn> xxstardustxx: probably, you should refer
to your motherboard manual for exact details
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1112 [09:07:20] <RebelCoder> Guys, I can see Daemon for one app
auto-starting (in System Monitor) but when I use two apps like
'rcconf' or 'sysv-rc-conf', and this daemon does
not show up there...
1113 [09:07:25] <RebelCoder> How else can it be removed ?
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1120 [09:10:28] <jmcnaught> RebelCoder: if you're using
Jessie with the default systemd, use systemctl
1121 [09:10:48] <RebelCoder> Yes, I am on Jessie.
1122 [09:10:58] <RebelCoder> Not sure how ..
1123 [09:11:06] <jmcnaught> RebelCoder: what is the program?
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1125 [09:11:18] <RebelCoder> This is the daemon - teamviewerd
1126 [09:11:28] <RebelCoder> I don't want TeamViewer running
in BG...
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1129 [09:12:09] <jmcnaught> RebelCoder: i'm not familiar with
teamviewer but it's probably not a system daemon, it's
probably being started as part of your login session by your desktop
environment
1130 [09:12:23] <jmcnaught> RebelCoder: which user is it running
as?
1131 [09:13:29] <RebelCoder> Not sure.... prob my User
1132 [09:14:13] <RebelCoder> It is under system Processes
1133 [09:14:34] <RebelCoder> not under User Processes
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1136 [09:15:20] <RebelCoder> ahh.... ok. got it.
1137 [09:15:22] <RebelCoder> sudo teamviewer --daemon disable
1138 [09:16:13] <RebelCoder> But I still wonder, why it showed up
in System Monitor under System Processes but using update-rc.d
teamviewerd disable
1139 [09:16:16] <RebelCoder> did not work...
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1141 [09:16:38] <RebelCoder> and it did not show up in two
utilities, that show all auto-load processes
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1144 [09:18:12] <jmcnaught> RebelCoder: try using systemctl
instead. "systemctl list-units", or "systemctl stop
servicename" (or start, restart, enable, disable etc)
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1147 [09:19:54] <RebelCoder> jmcnaught, Cool! Thanks for your help
!
1148 [09:20:05] <jmcnaught> RebelCoder: a new tool i find really
useful when i want to figure out "what owns this process?"
is systemd-cgls
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1151 [09:21:23] <RebelCoder> Yeah! Looks good. Just tried.
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1153 [09:21:37] <RebelCoder> In my case I knew what it is. Just
was not sure why it is not showing up in some places...
1154 [09:21:41] <RebelCoder> now it id removed.
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1156 [09:21:48] <RebelCoder> *it is
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1158 [09:22:46] <sumi> hello
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1161 [09:24:14] <jmcnaught> hi
1162 [09:24:18] <battery> how can i install php?
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1164 [09:24:45] <jmcnaught> battery: are you still using raspbian?
1165 [09:24:51] <battery> no
1166 [09:25:01] <battery> i m using debian now
1167 [09:25:08] <battery> i will not use raspbian
1168 [09:25:12] <battery> because it is too bad
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1170 [09:25:23] <battery> debian is best
1171 [09:25:26] <battery> i think so
1172 [09:25:32] <jmcnaught> battery: php like everything else in
debian is a package. you can search for packages with
"apt-cache search" or "aptitude search"
1173 [09:25:54] <jmcnaught> battery: it's not about which is
good or bad, just that they're different enough that they need
their own chatrooms
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1175 [09:26:08] <battery> oh good
1176 [09:26:10] <battery> ok
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1180 [09:28:08] <jmcnaught> battery: if you're using php with
apache you probably want to use mod-php to start. there are lots of
web applications in Debian too, like drupal, wordpress, phpmyadmin
etc
1181 [09:28:29] <battery> mod-php?
1182 [09:28:31] <battery> what is it?
1183 [09:28:41] <battery> i will make it by myself.
1184 [09:28:51] <battery> instead of aumation tool
1185 [09:28:54] <jmcnaught> battery: it's an apache module
that adds PHP support
1186 [09:28:57] <battery> automation
1187 [09:29:04] <jmcnaught> what do you mean?
1188 [09:29:04] <battery> oh
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1190 [09:29:26] <battery> i will make web by myself instead of
automation tool
1191 [09:29:31] <battery> :)
1192 [09:29:38] <jmcnaught> instead of which automation tool?
1193 [09:29:44] <battery> wordpress
1194 [09:29:52] <battery> i think that wordpress is automation
tool
1195 [09:30:01] <jmcnaught> oh, you want to write your own PHP
software?
1196 [09:30:07] <battery> yes
1197 [09:30:09] <battery> of course
1198 [09:30:19] <jmcnaught> wordpress is a blog engire or content
management system (CMS)
1199 [09:30:28] <battery> good
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1201 [09:30:57] <jmcnaught> battery: apache2 and
libapache2-mod-php5 will get you started then
1202 [09:31:09] <battery> ok
1203 [09:31:10] <battery> thanks
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1208 [09:31:31] <battery> apt-get install php5 php-pear php5-mysql
<— this is right?
1209 [09:31:58] <jmcnaught> battery: each of those packages will
have a directory in /usr/share/doc with a README.Debian file. Read
it with the "less" program. If the file is compress
(filename ends in .gz) then use "zless"
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1211 [09:32:20] <battery> ok
1212 [09:32:36] <jmcnaught> battery: read about a package with
"apt-cache show package", see version info with
"apt-cache policy package"
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1214 [09:33:39] <battery> ok thanks :)
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1236 [09:45:38] <holycow> hi all
1237 [09:46:14] <holycow> if i use cpan to install perl modules,
where does cpan store them? alternatively, is there something that
can show me file changes in the file system while i run cpan install
command?
1238 [09:46:23] <holycow> i'm not googling anything terribly
useful
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1244 [09:49:27] <hiya> I did it guys
1245 [09:49:34] <hiya> Mesa 11+ user now
1246 [09:49:56] <hiya> He helped me for free and it works awesome
now, I hope it stays like this only
1247 [09:51:16] <sbstn> holycow:
replaced-url
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1263 [09:54:38] <holycow> sbstn: did not manage to google the wiki
faq ... thank you. could not find anything in /usr/local. let me
read up on the wiki.
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1336 [10:21:18] <g38> hello. I'm starting with debian. When I
remove a package (with apt purge or apt-get purge, say), next time I
run aptitude it wants to install it again. Why is that and how can I
avoid it?
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1338 [10:22:42] <debidi> g38: cancel pending actions (e)
1339 [10:22:43] <debidi> ?
1340 [10:23:05] <MerlinW> there should be dependencies
1341 [10:23:16] <g38> debidi, yes, I can do that once. But if I
then remove further packages with apt purge or apt-get purge, next
time I run aptitude it wants to reinstall them.
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1343 [10:24:25] <MerlinW> try apt-cache showpkg
<package-name>
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1345 [10:24:48] <g38> MerlinW, apt and apt-get don't complain
about dependencies; and if I type "r" in aptitude to show
the dependencies it doesn't show any good reason why it would
want to reinstall the given package
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1348 [10:25:54] <debidi> see if any broken pkgs (b)
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1351 [10:26:50] <g38> I don't have any broken package
according to aptitude, and apt-cache showpkg doesn't show any
unsatisfied dependency under "Reverse depends" (that is,
none of these packages is currently installed)
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1353 [10:28:32] <MerlinW> what is the name of the package that you
want to remove?
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1356 [10:29:08] <g38> MerlinW, for example, the package
keyboard-configuration. note I have already removed it -- but
aptitude wants it back
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1361 [10:31:48] <MerlinW> I don't think you should remove
that package. Do you want to change your layout?
1362 [10:32:43] <g38> I don't have a keyboard
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1365 [10:33:23] <g38> but there is nothing specific with this
package, for example the same happens with fonts-dejavu
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1377 [10:40:32] <romgo_> Hi
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1379 [10:41:42] <romgo_> When I reboot some server doesn't
start, and are stuck with this message "A start job is running
for Unattended Upgrades (5min 34s / not limit)"
1380 [10:41:50] <romgo_> Any idea on how to debug ?
1381 [10:41:51] <MerlinW> g38? did you tried with apt-get purge
--auto-remove fonts-dejavu?
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1384 [10:42:22] <g38> MerlinW, I didn't do this but I ran
apt-get autoremove after apt-get purge, I guess it's the same?
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1386 [10:44:02] <MerlinW> yeah
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1389 [10:45:13] <MerlinW> romgo: if you don't need auto
upgrade, you can disable/remove the unattended-upgrades package,
also you can check the dpkg logs
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1393 [10:46:25] <romgo_> MerlinW: I use auto upgrade I'm fine
with it
1394 [10:46:32] <romgo_> just encounter this issue
1395 [10:46:33] <g38> so now I just ran this test again: I
cancelled all pending actions in aptitude, then ran apt-get install
fonts-dejavu-core, then aptitude didn't want to do anything,
then I ran apt-get purge --auto-remove fonts-dejavu-core, then again
aptitude wanted to install it back, I am mystified. no other package
was touched by apt-get...
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1399 [10:48:19] <MerlinW> I'm going to pass then :/ maybe
they are protected packages
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1401 [10:48:27] <MerlinW> I never tried remove those
1402 [10:49:03] <g38> ok, thank you for your help anyway! I guess
I can live without aptitude anyway, apt-get does the job and it
doesn't complain
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1405 [10:49:24] <MerlinW> romgo_ unattended-upgrade --debug
--dry-run than check
/var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log
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1423 [11:01:15] <DavidM__> how to install the 64-bit versions of
gl.h to develop opengl with freeglut
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1425 [11:01:18] <DavidM__> ???
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1428 [11:01:59] <DavidM__> g++ LUtil.cpp main.cpp -w -lGL -lGLU
-lglut -o 01_hello_freeglut /usr/bin/ld: ne peut trouver -lGL
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status Makefile:23: recipe for
target 'all' failed make: *** [all] Error 1
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1432 [11:03:36] <romgo_> MerlinW: I try but everything is fine all
packages are up to date
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1435 [11:03:48] <romgo_> seems that I got this issue after kernel
upgrade
1436 [11:03:59] <romgo_> but I don't know what does the
package try to do
1437 [11:04:06] <romgo_> the init script is empty for start
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1455 [11:16:47] <julius_> hi
1456 [11:17:03] <julius_> this page:
replaced-url
1457 [11:18:56] <julius_> for testing purposes to wake the machine
up one time, could i: run ethtool -s eth0 wol g and then shut it
down(do i just select power off) on a laptop? and on another pc run
etherwake xx.xx.xx xx....being the right mac adress?
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1460 [11:19:59] <julius_> ah yes, of course. that doesnt
work....the laptop just powers down completely....
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1465 [11:21:51] <MerlinW> etherwake?
replaced-url
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1468 [11:22:26] <DavidM__> g++ LUtil.cpp main.cpp -w -lGL -lGLU
-lglut -o 01_hello_freeglut /usr/bin/ld: ne peut trouver -lGL
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status Makefile:23: recipe for
target 'all' failed make: *** [all] Error 1
1469 [11:22:36] <DavidM__> what can i do ?
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1482 [11:29:01] <julius_> MerlinW, ok read that...still unsure if
my testing procedure should have worked?
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1491 [11:32:51] <_abc_> How many files are in your /boot/grub
directory please? I have 207
1492 [11:33:18] <_abc_> Need to manually config a one time boot
kernel on a headless machine. How do I do that. Who decided to move
most of grub into that directory?
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1500 [11:37:44] <mirazi_heket> hello i grow disk size in vsphere
server for given machine, now i want to grow lvm up to grown size -
do i need to create new partition for that or there is other way?
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1510 [11:43:15] <_abc_> Downgrading grub2 useless crap to lilo
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1512 [11:43:34] <sbstn> mirazi_heket: if you can extend the
existing partition you can use pvresize,
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1515 [11:45:49] <_abc_> May I know, what deranged soul removed the
ability to boot a kernel for testing once, with fail safe panic
timeout, as done with lilo -R, in grub2?
1516 [11:45:59] <_abc_> Surely I am not the 1st person to need
this?!
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1520 [11:48:40] <petemc> _abc_: the fallback option doesnt do what
you need?
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1522 [11:49:02] <_abc_> What fallback option? I do not have access
to the menu, it's a headless machine.
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1527 [11:50:22] <_abc_>
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1535 [11:53:18] <_abc_> in
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1536 [11:53:35] <_abc_> Why set it to "saved" ? I assume
setting it to "0" sets that default image right?
1537 [11:54:45] <_abc_> This is to make default-saved work, not
related to grub-reboot right?
1538 [11:54:51] <_abc_> Anyone?
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1555 [12:07:32] <_abc_>
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1558 [12:09:08] <vlt> Hello. We switched to Debian (8.5) with MATE
on the desktop recently but users complain about Icedove crashing
several times a day, mainly when writing mails. When run from a
terminal the last message is “Speicherzugriffsfehler”
(which I’d translate to “memory access error”). Is
there another way to solve this than “just use
evolution”?
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1584 [12:22:50] <ChrisH> vlt: run ulimit -c unlimted and start
once more from terminal. The next crash will write a core dump. Then
you can use gdb to check the core and get an idea what happened.
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1586 [12:23:38] <vlt> ChrisH: Thanks, I’ll do this.
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1594 [12:29:51] <Flashtek> Is anyone aware of a flag I can pass to
dhclient that would result in it running in 'test' mode ?
I want to check if DHCP should would if I request one... which
dhcping does only if the DHCP server is on the same network and
you're not using a DHCP relay.. *phew*
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1597 [12:31:17] <Flashtek> I can't see anything in the man
page...
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1599 [12:32:16] <petn-randall> _abc_: What problem do you have
that you're trying to fix? This isn't clear from your
descriptions and rants.
1600 [12:32:19] <petn-randall> !ask
1601 [12:32:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
1602 [12:32:53] <ChrisH> Flashtek: No option, but an alternative
suggestion
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1607 [12:33:56] <Flashtek> thanks ChrisH... I'll give that a
peek
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1609 [12:34:46] <_abc_> petn-randall: please read the initial
question. I needed to reboot once into a test kernel. Took several
google and duckduck searches and a stackoverflow answer to get some
detail about grub-reboot and how it REQUIRES GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in
/etc/default/grub , as well as reading my way through
/boot/grub/grub.cfg to understand what the h* is going on.
1610 [12:34:52] <petn-randall> _abc_: If you want to boot a
different kernel, just count the menu entries in /etc/grub/grub.cfg,
and change the setting GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub to that
value.
1611 [12:35:01] <_abc_> petn-randall: Please put the relevant info
in the grub howto in the debian wiki
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1613 [12:35:24] <_abc_> petn-randall: once. Only once. Headless.
No access to the menu unless I lug a heavy monitor to the thing.
1614 [12:36:10] <petn-randall> _abc_: Your first question was
"How many files are in your /boot/grub directory please? I have
207". The answer is "Depends on many things, but your
question is probably irrelevant to your problem."
1615 [12:36:44] <_abc_> How to reboot into a test kernel once is
very basic thing, it should be in the wiki/howto at the top, at
least where kernel compilation and installation is discussed (chap
4.x)
1616 [12:37:18] <Flashtek> ChrisH: looks like this should do the
job nicely, thanks
1617 [12:37:24] <_abc_> petn-randall: I was looking for the
grub.cfg in grub1 style, which used to be there. I was shocked by
what I found... Anyway there must be reasons for all that being
there.
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1621 [12:38:55] <petn-randall> _abc_: Look, if you want to rant,
you came to the wrong channel. We're here to provide volunteer
support to people for free. If you're angry about whatever
you're doing, maybe you need to take a moment off to vent, and
come back here to debug the issue.
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1625 [12:39:31] <_abc_> The issue was debugged. Without channel
help.
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1627 [12:39:46] <petn-randall> _abc_: First entry googling:
replaced-url
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1650 [12:52:51] <ChrisH> Flashtek: YW
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1669 [13:02:17] <llldino> Hey guys, i'm a little confused as
to what I just did. I've been using the kernal in
jessie-backports. Today, when I did "apt-get install -t
jessie-backports linux-image-amd64" I had over 200 packages
that needed updating after the install. I installed them using
apt-get dist-upgrade. I'm not sure if I bonked my system now. I
only wanted to use the newest kernal and keep everything else from
the stable jessie repo. Now I feel like I may ha
1670 [13:02:17] <llldino> ve mixed things up more than I wanted
to, anyone know what the implications of what I just did are?
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1673 [13:04:35] <unborn> hello everyone - is anyone here using
adobe products online? I would need to know if it works for you.. as
I am about to ditch virtualbox windows install..
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1905 [15:18:43] <DammitJim> OK... First, I need to say that I made
a mistake in my planning
1906 [15:18:58] <DammitJim> now, how do I go about creating an
/opt partition
1907 [15:19:08] <DammitJim> and then migrate everything that is in
the current /opt folder to it?
1908 [15:19:25] <DammitJim> I am using LVM
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1923 [15:27:56] <spacebug^> DammitJim: note sure but take a look
at this
replaced-url
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1926 [15:28:37] <spacebug^> Most likely other people here can help
you better when they are avalible
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1940 [15:33:41] <Captain_Sifff> Hi all, has anybody an idea how I
can access the current date in a phpldapadmin interface? I can use
php.Function(time; ) but this will return the number of seconds, not
days which I need....
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1944 [15:34:23] <lukas_> My Desktop:
replaced-url
1945 [15:35:19] <markybob> you're probably lonely and want to
feel supported
1946 [15:35:32] <plasm0duck> lol
1947 [15:35:42] <plasm0duck> looks like a childs computer
1948 [15:35:55] <ws2k3> what is the max munder of file descriptors
i can set in debian?
1949 [15:37:05] <plasm0duck> ws2k3: google it
1950 [15:37:40] <lukas_> i looks like a modern desktop ... :(
1951 [15:37:44] <lukas_> it*
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1956 [15:39:37] <plasm0duck> this is what you call a desktop
replaced-url
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1960 [15:40:25] <plasm0duck> ;-)
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1962 [15:40:57] <mayhew> plasm0duck: member of fsociety spotted!
calling the authorities :D
1963 [15:41:16] <plasm0duck> mayhew: heh
1964 [15:41:37] <mayhew> I have no idea how you read some of those
small fonts though
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1967 [15:42:27] <plasm0duck> easy, I'm running 2x22"
Dell IPS LED backlit monitors at 1920x1080p each
1968 [15:42:41] <plasm0duck> so nice and crisp
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1972 [15:43:18] <asir> window level public
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1986 [15:48:51] <TomTomTosch> yeah, using awesome and still
wasting 50% screenspace is an art.
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1992 [15:51:41] <DammitJim> thanks SpaceAce
1993 [15:51:45] <DammitJim> spacebison,
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1995 [15:51:47] <DammitJim> spacebug^,
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1999 [15:52:23] <ewew> Hi. Is there a reason that ulimit overrides
the limit set by pam module pam_limits.so ?
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2015 [15:56:22] <ewew> oops. i missunderstood the output from
ulimit -a. According /proc/PID/limits its ok.
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2081 [16:18:49] <matthewburton> I’m performing a DVD install
of Debian off a USB key. I’m at the “Install the GRUB
boot loader on a hard disk” stage. Is it safe to install this
onto the same USB key currently running the Debian installation?
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2084 [16:19:07] <DammitJim> matthewburton,
2085 [16:19:13] <DammitJim> no, you want grub on your fixed disk
2086 [16:19:17] <greycat> So you're installing FROM a dvd
ONTO a usb?
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2088 [16:19:27] <greycat> Or are you installing ONTO a hard drive?
2089 [16:19:36] <DammitJim> unless you are going to have your usb
drive plugged in all the time :D
2090 [16:20:01] <matthewburton> greycat, I’m using the DVD
ISO from a USB key to install onto a hard drive
2091 [16:20:21] <greycat> Then you install grub onto the hard
drive. This is the default.
2092 [16:20:36] <matthewburton> DammitJim, installing it onto the
fixed disk makes sense. The GUI refers to this as “your first
hard drive,” which threw me off
2093 [16:21:06] <DammitJim> well... things get detected
differently sometimes or sometimes people want other options
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2100 [16:22:32] <matthewburton> ok
2101 [16:22:48] <greycat> GRUB has to be installed on the device
that your computer is going to boot from, which is usually your hard
drive.
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2114 [16:27:34] <matthewburton> Also makes sense. I previously
answered Yes when asked whether I wanted to install GRUB onto my
hard drive’s master boot record
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2116 [16:27:47] <matthewburton> So, I’m not sure what the
difference is with this step
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2126 [16:33:56] <matthewburton> thank you though. installation
complete.
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2153 [16:49:44] <greycat> Please disable public away/back scripts.
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2194 [17:13:10] <TheRealGitGud> hello. is it safe to remove
certian system users that are created automagically on install? such
as "irc" and "games"
2195 [17:13:36] <DammitJim> games?
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2197 [17:13:55] <DammitJim> funny, I never saw those
2198 [17:14:06] <DammitJim> I wonder what game I have installed
for that user
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2208 [17:16:28] <petn-randall> TheRealGitGud: Probably, but it
might break some features. Why do you want to remove them?
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2211 [17:17:04] <TheRealGitGud> petn-randall, i know that they are
probably locked but i really want to make sure to remove them so
their uids are not there
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2213 [17:17:35] <TheRealGitGud> there was a link that explained
those users but like, i cant find it anymore
2214 [17:17:37] <TheRealGitGud> should have saved it
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2219 [17:18:54] <TheRealGitGud> petn-randall, this is for a server
install btw. not for home use
2220 [17:19:05] <jmcnaught> TheRealGitGud:
file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html
2221 [17:19:20] <TheRealGitGud> yes that one. thank U :)
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2223 [17:19:25] <jmcnaught> TheRealGitGud: i wouldn't remove
them, sounds like you're looking for stuff to break to be
honest
2224 [17:19:52] <TheRealGitGud> jmcnaught, should i lock + expire
them?
2225 [17:20:12] <jmcnaught> TheRealGitGud: leave them as is? what
threat are you trying to mitigate?
2226 [17:20:28] <TheRealGitGud> jmcnaught, i wouldnt want someone
to abuse those uids to run things
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2228 [17:20:36] <TheRealGitGud> to trick the computer to giving
them root access
2229 [17:20:45] <jmcnaught> TheRealGitGud: how would they do that?
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2231 [17:21:15] <jmcnaught> TheRealGitGud: are you able to log
into any of these system users?
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2233 [17:21:27] <docmur> I'm running to a strange issue with
iSCSI, where I had my
2234 [17:21:28] <docmur> target connected to six initiators. Four
of the computers
2235 [17:21:30] <docmur> those tunnels were connected to are now
off, but when I do cat
2236 [17:21:34] <docmur> quit
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2239 [17:22:04] <TheRealGitGud> jmcnaught, although even when i do
any command with su -c the computer says "account is
unavailable" so but i dont know if any there is any other shady
way that could be abused, for one
2240 [17:22:12] <greycat> TheRealGitGud: there should be no
password to lock or expire.
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2242 [17:22:35] <greycat> $ sudo grep irc /etc/shadow
2243 [17:22:35] <greycat> [sudo] password for wooledg:
2244 [17:22:35] <greycat> irc:*:16682:0:99999:7:::
2245 [17:23:16] <TheRealGitGud> greycat, jmcnaught reason why i am
concerned is because for pci compliance stuff and just in security
forums in general its always recommended to remove unnecessary
services, daemons AND users
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2247 [17:23:42] <greycat> These are not unnecessary users. They
are system accounts used to own files.
2248 [17:23:56] <greycat> They do not have passwords or
~/.ssh/authorized_keys files, so you can't login to them.
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2279 [17:33:21] <TheRealGitGud> greycat, does that meean its safe
to keep em?
2280 [17:33:34] <greycat> yes
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2290 [17:37:30] <Kenran> Hey guys! I am quite now to debian and I
want to finally have sound ;) so I'm trying to install alsa, or
rather, did it but it's not really working
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2292 [17:37:55] <Kenran> I read using lspci | grep audio to see
what sound card is detected would be a good idea
2293 [17:38:02] <Kenran> but it doesn't output anything
2294 [17:38:33] <plasm0duck> Kenran: did you install alsa-utils
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2296 [17:38:51] <Kenran> plasm0duck: yes
2297 [17:38:51] <greycat> Kenran: lspci -nn | grep -i audio
2298 [17:39:05] <plasm0duck> then run alsamixer and make sure
it's unmuted
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2300 [17:39:10] <greycat> the grep -i is important because
it's usually written "Audio"
2301 [17:39:12] <TheRealGitGud> oh i see greycat i can see even
with su -c u cannot make those accounts run shell commands
2302 [17:39:13] <TheRealGitGud> interesting
2303 [17:39:15] <Kenran> plasm0duck: ah now I see something
2304 [17:39:33] <greycat> TheRealGitGud: that's because su
insists on invoking the user's *shell* as defined in passwd.
2305 [17:39:46] <greycat> sudo can get around that, of course
2306 [17:39:46] <Kenran> plasm0duck: I have another idea why I
don't hear anything yet; my browser is started from my user
while I am still root for installing stuff. Let me try :)
2307 [17:39:56] <TheRealGitGud> true. so greycat is there any real
way to make that user's uid completely disabled?
2308 [17:40:19] <plasm0duck> Kenran: what audio are you trying to
play? From a website?
2309 [17:40:31] <Kenran> plasm0duck: yes, I opened youtube. Was
that dumb? :)
2310 [17:40:56] <plasm0duck> You may need to install a flash
plugin also or you could get away with html5
2311 [17:41:07] <Kenran> a command line util to check for sound
would be better. I'll google, or maybe you know of something
2312 [17:41:20] <Kenran> hm, the video is working at least, so I
guess it's still only the sound
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2314 [17:41:31] <jhutchins> TheRealGitGud: There are better
approaches to system security than randomly deleting things you
don't understand.
2315 [17:41:45] <TheRealGitGud> jhutchins, well im not insisting
that it should be deleted
2316 [17:41:55] <TheRealGitGud> i just want to make sure that that
uid is disabled to run anything
2317 [17:41:58] <plasm0duck> possibly, just run alsamixer and make
sure you unmute all the output channels and turn the volume up.
2318 [17:42:04] <greycat> TheRealGitGud: *sigh*
2319 [17:42:20] <jhutchins> TheRealGitGud: I would recommend that
you find some documentation on hardening linux, perhaps the PCI
documentation if you're concerned with complying with it.
2320 [17:42:32] <greycat> TheRealGitGud: ROOT CAN DO ANY FUCKING
THING IT WANTS. If root wants to run a daemon as irc, it can do
that. It doesn't MATTER what's in passwd or shadow.
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2325 [17:42:53] <TheRealGitGud> jhutchins, i have. and thats where
it says to remove unnecessary services and users
2326 [17:42:57] <jhutchins> greycat: Funny, that's two days
in a row we've had people asking about deleting base groups and
accounts.
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2328 [17:43:06] <Kenran> plasm0duck: thanks! It's working now
:-)
2329 [17:43:18] <TheRealGitGud> like i said, most security forums
say to remove services and users that you do not need
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2331 [17:43:22] <greycat> Deleting the user account won't
matter. If root wants to run a daemon as UID 39, it can do that even
if you delete the mapping from "39" to "irc".
2332 [17:43:24] <plasm0duck> I remember the days when I would pull
my hair out just trying to get simple things like sound working and
X and nvidia proprietry drivers working.
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2334 [17:43:32] <plasm0duck> Kenran: excellent :)
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2336 [17:43:41] <alchemistswl> lets just run everything as root
:).
2337 [17:43:44] <TheRealGitGud> greycat, i understand that. im not
talking about root
2338 [17:43:51] <greycat> TheRealGitGud: when they say to remove
users, they mean ACCOUNTS THAT WERE CREATED FOR HUMANS
2339 [17:44:03] <Kenran> plasm0duck: yes... nvidia is always a
hassle... they should be installed properly for me, but still I have
strange screen tearing in my browser from time to time
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2341 [17:44:20] <jelly> TheRealGitGud: understand why they say
that, then realize it takes more work to do it on every debian
release upgrade, than leave default uids and gids in 0<=99 range
alone as-is.
2342 [17:44:22] <greycat> TheRealGitGud: Or if they mean system
accounts, then they are IDIOTS and you should not listen to them.
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2346 [17:44:58] <plasm0duck> Kenran: install nvidia-driver if you
want to play games and better drivers.
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2348 [17:45:08] <jelly> greycat: things do however become pretty
interesting if you delete the mapping from "root" to uid
and gid 0.
2349 [17:45:24] <jhutchins> The recommendation is really too vague
to be useful, especially if you don't know the reason base
accounts exist, and you don't know what EVERY process on a
system is doing.
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2351 [17:45:30] <TheRealGitGud> greycat, ok i will keep them then
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2354 [17:45:50] <Kenran> plasm0duck: that should be the one I have
installed. But it might not be, I don't want to play anything
for a while anyway, so I just don't mind ;)
2355 [17:46:18] <jhutchins> TheRealGitGud: A good guideline: Only
delete things if you know what they are and why they are there.
2356 [17:46:23] <plasm0duck> Kenran: no worries, enjoy your new
Debian system :)
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2359 [17:46:53] <Kenran> thanks! Could it be my normal user is not
in an audio group of some sort?
2360 [17:47:00] <greycat> run "id" to find out
2361 [17:47:26] <Kenran> greycat: hm, it says I'm in there
2362 [17:47:32] <plasm0duck> Kenran: I thought you said you got
audio working by unmuting the channels in alsamixer?
2363 [17:47:39] <Kenran> plasm0duck: yeah, but that was as root
2364 [17:47:54] <plasm0duck> Kenran: so do the same thing as user
2365 [17:47:56] <jhutchins> !alsa checklist
2366 [17:47:56] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
2367 [17:48:56] <Kenran> plasm0duck: the strange thing is: it
doesn't work. I'm in the audio group and alsamixer shows
me the channel that was muted before as unmuted with 60
2368 [17:49:09] <greycat> What does "doesn't work"
mean?
2369 [17:49:14] <Kenran> I'll quickly log back out and in
again, brb
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2375 [17:51:48] <Kenran> Okay, it works now, but only after
starting iceweasel from command line once
2376 [17:51:59] <Kenran> I usually start it from an openbox menu
entry
2377 [17:52:15] <greycat> What happened BEFORE you started
iceweasel?
2378 [17:52:30] <Kenran> greycat: from command line or from the
menu?
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2380 [17:52:39] <Kenran> I saw the video, but had no sound
2381 [17:52:44] <Kenran> even though speaker-test worked
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2383 [17:53:24] <Kenran> that was when I had started it from the
openbox menu. After that I started it via iceweasel and it
immediately worked (i.e. I heard something)
2384 [17:53:28] <greycat> But opening iceweasel magically made the
volume become unmuted and unzero?
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2386 [17:53:38] <Kenran> greycat: it was unmuted and unzero before
2387 [17:53:42] <Kenran> even before I logged out
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2389 [17:53:53] <Kenran> as I said: speaker-test did work
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2391 [17:55:01] <plasm0duck> im out guys have fun o/
2392 [17:55:05] <Kenran> plasm0duck: bye!
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2394 [17:55:26] <greycat> So you logged in, and aplay worked, then
SOME UNSPECIFIED VIDEO+AUDIO COMMAND played video with no audible
audio, then you started iceweasel and the SAME UNSPECIFIED COMMAND
played video+audio with audible audio?
2395 [17:55:54] <Kenran> greycat: let me try again
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2402 [17:58:22] <julius_> for testing purposes to wake the machine
up one time, could i: run ethtool -s eth0 wol g and then shut it
down(do i just select power off) on a laptop? and on another pc run
etherwake xx.xx.xx xx....being the right mac adress?
2403 [17:58:22] <Kenran> (1) I logged in (2) I checked alsamixer,
but the channel was unmuted and non-zero; the command speaker-test
makes a sound (3) I started iceweasel from the openbox menu (4) the
youtube video in my last opened tab has no sound (5) I close
iceweasel (6) I start iceweasel from the command line (7) the video
has sound (8) now it works even from the openbox menu entry
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2405 [17:59:17] <greycat> When you say "it" you mean a
youtube video playing inside iceweasel?
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2407 [17:59:24] <Kenran> yes
2408 [17:59:34] <Kenran> sorry for being unclear :)
2409 [18:00:00] <greycat> No evidence here that the METHOD you use
to start iceweseal matters. In both cases all you've shown is
that starting iceweasel twice makes a difference for some reason. I
don't know why.
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2411 [18:00:17] <Kenran> greycat: that's what I thought at
first
2412 [18:00:42] <Kenran> but before I logged out and back in, I
had started iceweasel at least 4 times from the menu without working
sound inside
2413 [18:00:53] <TomTomTosch> maybe the other source was still
blocking alsa? debian usually installs pulse audio on top of alsa.
2414 [18:01:14] <greycat> Is there something audio-related in your
shell that the shell-launched iceweasel would inherit? That it would
not inherit from the WM menu?
2415 [18:01:41] <Kenran> phew, I don't think so, but I'm
a newb... :/
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2417 [18:02:00] <Kenran> I'm content with having it working
right now
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2419 [18:02:21] <Kenran> I don't even dare unplugging my
headset and trying out the speakers ;)
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2421 [18:03:28] <greycat> Yeah, I can't even imagine what you
would have to put in a shell dot file for that to happen....
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2466 [18:25:50] <g00se> Sorry - haven't done LVM before,
despite years of experience. Is there any need to create a LVM group
on install or can i leave it till later?
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2470 [18:27:42] <chrisa> I'm on a NUC6i5SYB, and sound is
silent (no error messages, mixer controls can be used, but never any
sound). Ideas?
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2474 [18:29:16] <chrisa> g00se, you need to create an LVM volume
group if you want to create an LVM logical volume, i.e. use LVM.
2475 [18:29:18] <jelly> !ideas
2476 [18:29:19] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a
drawer full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen starving
oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes!
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2478 [18:29:57] <jelly> chrisa: if it's recent hardware, and
you've done the usual alsa checks, try a newer kernel
2479 [18:30:03] <jelly> !bdo kernel
2480 [18:30:04] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases
are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask
me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then
run «aptitude update». To install the current backported
kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install
linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To
list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude
search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian
Backports))'».
2481 [18:30:23] <chrisa> g00se, if you want to do full disk
encryption, then you do generally want to use LVM, since you want to
encrypt swap as well and you don't want to type two passwords
at boot time.
2482 [18:30:26] <leba2> Anyone knows good documentation that could
explain the lowest and nastiest of noobs all about CDT, UTC *and*
RTC?
2483 [18:30:37] <jelly> chrisa: are you talking about analog
output sound or hdmi sound or both?
2484 [18:30:45] <g00se> chrisa: Well i'm just installing. Can
i leave it till later (want to get the install done)?
2485 [18:30:54] <chrisa> analog, the combined mic/headphone jack
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2487 [18:31:15] <chrisa> g00se, if you don't want full disk
encryption then leave it off.
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2489 [18:31:42] <g00se> I might want of course just to do LVM
without enc later
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2491 [18:32:16] <chrisa> You can create a volume group any time
you want if you've got LVM physical volumes,
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2493 [18:32:34] <chrisa> and you can create LVM physical volumes
any time you want given a bare free partition.
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2495 [18:34:56] <leba2> ?
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2499 [18:35:32] <chrisa> jelly, any tip on how to test whether
it's really a driver problem and not, say, a mis-configured
audio routing (ALSA/pulseaudio)?
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2501 [18:35:49] <jhutchins> leba2: Didn't we explain that
pretty thoroughly earlier?
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2503 [18:35:50] <chrisa> It's not the newest hardware either.
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2505 [18:36:30] <jhutchins> leba2: Weren't you the one who
wanted to "turn off UTC" so your BIOS clock would stay
local for Windows?
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2511 [18:37:48] <leba2> Yes, but I'm actually stupid and on
top of that I had serious psycho problems back then. So by the time
I realized I could not understand a thing. And out of respect, in
order to not bother again, this is why I was asking for reading
instead.
2512 [18:37:59] <leba2> Because I'm not finding very specific
docs in gogole
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2519 [18:41:33] <TomTomTosch> leba2: man hwclock has a good
explenation of linux time in general if you scroll down.
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2527 [18:46:02] <chrisa> Ok sounds like a driver problem. USB
audio interface works.
2528 [18:46:19] <chrisa> How odd that I can't find anything
on the web about it, huh.
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2533 [18:48:23] <leba2> Ok, will try that.
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2540 [18:50:50] <leba2> Is hwclock now part of systemd as well?
2541 [18:51:12] <TomTomTosch> no, hwclock is old af.
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2543 [18:52:02] <kdog> I updated to samba 4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3
yesterday and now share connections are failing with a
gss_accept_sec_context error. Anyone experiencing this as well?
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2546 [18:53:23] <kdog> looks like token init: SPNEGO(gse_krb5)
NEG_TOKEN_INIT failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
2547 [18:54:10] <TomTomTosch> leba2: and not sure what this has to
do with systemd.
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2550 [18:54:57] <greycat> systemd has some fancy stupid time/date
crap in it, but it's not enabled by default in jessie so you
can just ignore it for now. Until the next mandatory change is
inflicted upon us.
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2552 [18:55:31] <leba2> I thought for everything time/date related
timedatectl was now used...
2553 [18:55:37] <greycat> GODS no.
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2555 [18:55:46] <greycat> Ain't nobody usin' that.
2556 [18:55:54] <leba2> Also, I thought debian 8 now used systemd
by default precisely
2557 [18:55:59] <greycat> It does.
2558 [18:56:04] <leba2> therefore, timedatectl
2559 [18:56:06] <greycat> No.
2560 [18:56:07] <leba2> ^
2561 [18:56:28] <TomTomTosch> use what you feel comfortable with.
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2564 [18:57:07] <leba2> Does hwclock include date as well? Or
would it be "hwdate"? (sarcasm)
2565 [18:57:30] <leba2> Ah, wait, man hwclock. Right...
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2568 [18:58:55] <TomTomTosch> we only measure time in seconds
since 01.01.1970 :P
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2571 [19:00:06] <peterS> TomTomTosch: ...and we only express it in
ISO-8601
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2574 [19:00:45] <jhutchins> The purpose of timezones (and UTC) is
to keep trains from crashing into each other.
2575 [19:01:09] <leba2> ^ oh, no, wth...
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2603 [19:16:12] <_abc_> I am in aptitude and can't get
lincurses-dev to light up, it only has a 'v' near it.
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2605 [19:16:21] <_abc_> How do I get that to work?!
2606 [19:16:28] <_abc_> I need to install it
2607 [19:16:35] * greycat only knows "apt-get install
libncurses5-dev"
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2610 [19:16:44] <greycat> doesn't know this aptitude lighting
stuff
2611 [19:17:02] <thurstylark> What package has the yptest utility
for nis?
2612 [19:17:14] <thurstylark> wait
2613 [19:17:18] <greycat> Never heard of it.
2614 [19:17:55] <thurstylark> nvm it's in the nis package.
It's in /sbin so had to use sudo to see it in the $PATH
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2619 [19:18:45] <teraflops> thurstylark: nis :P
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2621 [19:19:26] <thurstylark> teraflops: yeah, had an
"I'm a dumbass" moment there.
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2626 [19:20:44] <_abc_> greycat: that worked but aptitude should
be able to do it too. libncurses-dev is a virtual package. Would
"apt-get install libncurses-dev" have worked in your
opinion?
2627 [19:20:52] <greycat> no
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2629 [19:21:20] <greycat> but you can use "apt-cache showpkg
libncurses-dev" to see what provides it
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2718 [19:55:53] <pecg> Hello, I want to know where I can
information of the deblobbing process used to clean the sources for
the default kernel
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2729 [20:00:01] <TrivialGravitas> Does installing over wireless
work yet?
2730 [20:01:05] <_abc_> greycat: I think aptitude took one for the
team, might have to reinstall it. Something has changed in it.
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2732 [20:01:32] <markybob> TrivialGravitas: yes. you probably want
the iso that comes with firmware for that.
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2736 [20:02:57] <_abc_>
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2737 [20:03:01] <_abc_> imho
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2739 [20:03:21] <markybob> _abc_: that's off topic. go to
#debian-offtopic if you must
2740 [20:03:28] <_abc_> Okay, sorry.
2741 [20:03:56] <flawless> hi lads,is it posible to run 1 desktop
on laptop and desktop 2 on external monitor?
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2746 [20:06:05] <flawless> I mean different workspace on different
monitor
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2784 [20:22:43] <port0> hello, I want to contribute to debian.
Where can I begin?
2785 [20:25:29] <jelly> port0: install how-can-i-help, run it, see
what it tells you, maybe
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2787 [20:25:52] <rudi_s> port0: There are many ways to help
Debian:
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2806 [20:38:02] <thurstylark> What is the most sane way to test
for debian version in a bash script? Currently I'm doing a
string match against 'lsb_release -cs' and I'm not
too confident this is the best way to go about it.
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2809 [20:38:28] <greycat> /etc/debian_version
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2822 [20:45:27] <abrotman> thurstylark: lsb_release -a ?
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2880 [21:19:10] <rbern> there is also /etc/os-release and
/etc/issue
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2888 [21:21:15] <_abc_> May I ask how debian wheezy ended up with
a 3.20.x kernel when that is not in lts on kernel.org? Are debian
kernel numbers decoupled from kernel.org lts kernels?
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2891 [21:22:02] <greycat> wheezy has 3.2 not 3.20
2892 [21:22:29] <_abc_> Ah okay I misread. Wishful thinking.
2893 [21:23:08] <_abc_> Am putting together the initrd for 3.18.36
which I compiled from source out of tree. Need to see if it has
support for a driver I need, if it works, I'll upgrade.
2894 [21:23:37] <_abc_> Any tips besides reusing the initrd from
3.16 which is installed from deb wheezy?
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2897 [21:23:57] <_abc_> Am going to use the slow and painful
manual way.
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2902 [21:25:26] <jelly> _abc_: 3.16 isn't from wheezy,
either. It may come from wheezy-backports.
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2905 [21:25:43] <greycat> or from jessie
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2907 [21:25:58] <_abc_> Probably. aptitude suggested it and I took
that choice
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2910 [21:26:33] <jelly> it would not have suggested it unless you
explicitely added non-default sources at some point in the past
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2913 [21:28:14] <_abc_> I did not but I may misremember. And I may
have added sources suggested here...
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2915 [21:28:30] <_abc_> What would a file called
klibc-2xtYrByCrj5OEwaInv4tMSjej98.so do in the initramd of the 3.16
debian kernel?
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2917 [21:28:38] <_abc_> That's a slightly unusual name?
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2920 [21:29:26] <gnikc2> So I found that bash 'Commands to
Move' work over tmux. Now I'm wondering though, does it
work because my local shell and remote are bash, or would it work
even if only the remote one was bash?
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2925 [21:30:42] <gnikc2> s/ds to Mo/ds for Mo/
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2929 [21:31:30] <jelly> _abc_: it would make binaries built with
klibc work.
2930 [21:32:00] <jelly> _abc_: use update-initramfs to build one.
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2932 [21:32:17] <jelly> (not a binary, an initramfs image)
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2935 [21:32:53] <_abc_> Would update-initramfs know how to make it
properly when there is no deb kernel package for this lts kernel
from kernel.org?
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2937 [21:33:11] <jelly> try it?
2938 [21:33:52] <jelly> _abc_: you could have done a "make
deb-pkg"
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2940 [21:34:24] <jelly> upstream kernel tree knows how to make a
deb package these days.
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2943 [21:36:31] <_abc_> I'll try that if it does not work.
2944 [21:36:39] <cdb23ax> hello i am using a huawei e3371h lte usb
modem and i have a little problem. iam using debian and i have
established the connection with sakis3g tool. the problem is that
this sim card is not yet activated. i can only do this via sms but i
dont know how to query sms info from linux
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2947 [21:37:21] <cdb23ax> i have tried to put the sim card into
another smart phone but a net pin for sim is required
2948 [21:37:55] <cdb23ax> is there a possibility to query sms with
at command?
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2956 [21:42:18] <_abc_> jelly: what is "upstream kernel
tree"?
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2959 [21:43:04] <greycat> kernel.org or whatever
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2962 [21:44:17] <jelly> _abc_: what you downloaded and built.
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2964 [21:45:26] <_abc_> really? So I can issue make deb-pkg to a
configured and built kernel?
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2973 [21:51:25] <_abc_> Okay my jury rigged ramdisk works, am in
the new kernel. Going to spelunk after the driver a bit
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3002 [22:03:52] <_abc_> Nice. So the CH353 has 2x16550A emulation,
at register level on PCI, but BREAK is not sent out. CH353L fwiw.
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3005 [22:04:18] <_abc_> So all this was for naught, the problem is
hardware.
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3017 [22:09:29] <_abc_> Thanks for the 'make deb-pkg'
tip, that is very useful
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3019 [22:09:54] <_abc_> Can one rely on update-initramfs after
having that debianized kernel package?
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3021 [22:10:21] <gramp> Is there a better font then the default to
use? how do I install it?
3022 [22:10:42] <gramp> totally new to this but assume I can make
everything easier to read
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3024 [22:10:58] <greycat> Is there a better color than green to
paint my walls? What's the best color?
3025 [22:12:44] <gramp> hm thankx /greycat
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3031 [22:14:35] <jhutchins> gramp: In Debian, in Linux in general,
there are a lot of different applications and environments that can
use a lot of different fonts as their default. The defaults are
usually pretty readable for most people, especially if size and
kerning are adjusted properly.
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3033 [22:15:28] <jhutchins> gramp: So it would appear that you are
having a readability problem with some application or environment,
and telling us what the actual problem is, and where it happens,
would go a long way toward allowing us to help you.
3034 [22:15:54] <gramp> #jhutchins the font looks skinny. i'm
not sure what that's called. serif?
3035 [22:16:00] <greycat> Usually when people ask something like
this, they want stuff to look exactly like some thing they have used
in the past, typically Windows.
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3037 [22:16:05] <jhutchins> gramp: What font?
3038 [22:16:19] <greycat> A serif is the little embellishment or
"foot" on the ends of straight lines.
3039 [22:16:35] <greycat> A "sans serif" font
doesn't have these.
3040 [22:16:37] <jelly> screenshot and point out the specific user
interface bit?
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3043 [22:17:41] <jhutchins> If it doesn't talk we eats it.
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3045 [22:18:01] <gramp> ya i know. i figured there might be a
"popular" font.
3046 [22:18:19] <gramp> the wiki point to font liberation
3047 [22:18:23] <greycat> Whatever the defaults are, is probably
the most popular choice.
3048 [22:18:29] <gramp> word
3049 [22:18:31] <teraflops> oh
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3051 [22:18:51] <gramp> i like the defaults. i'm having fun
playing with customizations
3052 [22:19:03] <teraflops> linux guys can be picky with their
fonts
3053 [22:19:11] <gramp> exactly
3054 [22:19:11] <_abc_> I ended up with names like
linux-image-3.18.36_3.18.36-2_amd64.deb after make deb-pkg in the
kernel source top dir. What did I do wrong?
3055 [22:19:17] <gramp> no need for attitude
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3058 [22:19:37] <_abc_> There *is* a need for more zero crossed
fonts though. And unambiguous 1/l
3059 [22:20:00] <jhutchins> I like crossed sevens myself.
3060 [22:20:04] <teraflops> for fixed fonts I like ubuntu mono and
inconsolatazi4
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3064 [22:21:06] <_abc_> The build directory in which I issued make
deb-pkg is called /usr/src/linux-3.18.36 ; how did it form those
package names above please? Can I influence the package names in a
reasonable way, without reading the Makefile?
3065 [22:21:25] <gramp> about:config with a search for fonts i see
sans-serif monospace
3066 [22:21:52] <greycat> _abc_: what part are you confused about?
3067 [22:21:58] <_abc_> My current terminal font is DejaVu Sans
Mono which has the needed 1/l distinction and crossed 0
3068 [22:22:12] <jhutchins> gramp: WHich is not a font, but two
characteristics of fonts, and which is probably a generic tag which
is satisfied by a specific, named font.
3069 [22:22:16] <gramp> in atom editor for instance some of the
letters blur a little
3070 [22:22:25] <_abc_> greycat: the funny names for the generated
packages? 3.18.36 appears twice?
3071 [22:22:34] <teraflops> gramp: then `fc-match sans-serif`
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3073 [22:22:45] <_abc_> greycat: I assume there is a way to change
that?
3074 [22:22:58] <_abc_> some -D option to make when doing make
deb-pkg
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3077 [22:23:15] <gramp> jhutchins: right, ya sorry forgot about
that.
3078 [22:23:25] <gramp> i don't see any names though
3079 [22:23:42] <greycat> _abc_: compare to the standard kernel
file names. I don't see a problem. I don't understand why
you think there is a problem.
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3081 [22:24:02] <greycat>
/var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4_amd64.deb
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3083 [22:24:22] <_abc_> /usr/src/linux-3.18.36 ->
linux-image-3.18.36_3.18.36-2_amd64.deb is a bit weird? Why does it
repeat the 3.18.36?
3084 [22:24:38] <jmd> What's the release after jessie called
?
3085 [22:24:43] <greycat> "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64"
is the pacakge name, "_" separates the package name from
the version, "3.16.7-ctk20-1+deb8u4"
3086 [22:24:55] <greycat> is the version, "_" separates
the version from the arch, "amd64" is the arch.
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3089 [22:25:30] <greycat> jmd: it *will* be called stretch
3090 [22:25:33] <_abc_> And -2 is the build number?
3091 [22:25:38] <_abc_> Makes sense now. Thanks.
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3093 [22:26:33] <_abc_> Okay, thanks for the help, it all worked
out excepting for the bummed hw which I am stuck with.
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3098 [22:28:37] <w00die_> hey guys! I'd like to install bunch
of cross-compiled packages to build an app on the debian host
machine. So, what's the best way to install and manage
cross-compile packages? It's mostly libs like zmq, protobuf,
etc.
3099 [22:28:40] <jmd> greycat: Thanks.
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3140 [22:42:27] <_abc_> I seem to have a problem with 3.16 and
3.18 kernels where incomplete arp entries do not expire even after
30 minutes or longer. Has anyone else seen this?
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3142 [22:42:43] <_abc_> Modding the relevant settings under sysfs
did not help
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3154 [22:50:00] <jhutchins> w00die_: I usually steer clear of
things like that, but it's often done in a chroot. CentOS had a
script that automatically set up a chroot build environment (and
would optionally clean it up), I think it was ca. 4 or 5.
3155 [22:51:26] <jhutchins> w00die_: I would think that there
would be some resources supporting your target architecture that
have good tips and advice on setting up a build environment for it.
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3233 [23:17:11] <mdim> hi folks
3234 [23:17:32] <mdim> how to install LLVM 3.4 in Debian Sid? The
lowest available version is 3.6
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3238 [23:19:25] <miskatonic> if debian continues releasing a new
major version every other year, when will it run out of new names
from Toy Story?
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3240 [23:20:49] <jmd> miskatonic: They keep on producing new Toy
Story films.
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3242 [23:20:55] <menace> isn't there a faq entry for that?
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3247 [23:21:57] <zinx> miskatonic: somewhere between the end of
the universe and the end of time
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3282 [23:34:37] <jhutchins> ,kernels
3283 [23:34:39] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.7.0-rc4-686-pae (4.7~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686
(4.6.3-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-2); jessie-backports:
4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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3302 [23:39:08] <wald0> I used a lot the command "lshal"
in the past, but it seems like is not anymore in jessie? can i
install it anyways?
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3311 [23:43:30] <jhutchins> wald0: WHat is your actual goal?
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3313 [23:43:47] <jhutchins> wald0: There may be another way to do
it now.
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