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16[00:11:14] <loorke> Hi all. Sometimes Firefox shows Latin fonts incorrect, it makes them bold. For example, at this page (replaced-url
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40[00:29:02] <phogg> loorke: probably a fontconfig issue
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43[00:29:49] <loorke> But in chrome, for example, all is fine
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45[00:30:38] <missmbob> which version of firefox?
46[00:31:34] <pacha`> missmbob: hi, thanks for the help you gave me yesterday. I have another problem
47[00:32:07] <missmbob> pacha`: what's up?
48[00:32:08] <pacha`> I am having issues with mpv/mplayer2, I cant use hw acceleration with the new free drivers (didnt have the problem with fglrx)
49[00:32:17] <loorke> phogg: My fonts.conf replaced-url
50[00:32:25] <pacha`> I have to use the software decoder which is slow
51[00:32:36] <missmbob> pacha`: jessie?
52[00:32:46] <loorke> missmbob: 54.0a2 (2017-04-18)
53[00:32:51] <pacha`> should I install something aside from xserver-xorg-video?
54[00:33:06] <pacha`> missmbob: yes.
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58[00:33:23] <missmbob> loorke: oh. hrm. the a doesn't bode confidence. it looks fine here on 50.1.0
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62[00:33:49] <pacha`> missmbob: this is what I installed: firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
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64[00:34:23] <missmbob> pacha`: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log which video driver does it say is loaded? which video card do you have?
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66[00:34:59] <loorke> missmbob: it looks same in Firefox 45.8.0 at me
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68[00:35:39] <teraflops> pacha`: you did not say the gpu model, neither the hwdec method youre trying to use. I think you are trying vpdpau since I can infer it from what you wrote, but being vague does not help
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70[00:35:57] <buu> Hey
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72[00:36:16] <pacha`> missmbob: It says Radeon. ATI/AMD HD 6770.
73[00:36:21] <buu> I just installed a 2port network card into a debian box, any idea why portone is named 'ens2' and porttwo is named 'rename4'?
74[00:36:26] <buu> And how do I rename the rename?
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76[00:36:28] <missmbob> pacha`: are you familiar with jessie-backports?
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78[00:36:55] <davascript> buu, you will have to write udev rules
79[00:37:12] <pacha`> missmbob: no but I dont mind messing around
80[00:37:19] <buu> davascript: ok
81[00:37:27] <missmbob> buu: replaced-url
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83[00:37:36] <missmbob> !jessie-backports
84[00:37:36] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
85[00:38:05] <pacha`> teraflops: I am a new to all this, sorry. I tried all of them, it worked with vo=x11 which uses software decoding.
86[00:38:09] <buu> But where does it get the original names from if there's no udev rules?
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89[00:38:51] <buu> Also why wouldn't the mac of the new card be listed in 70-persistent-rules?
90[00:39:09] <missmbob> pacha`: see what dpkg said above. then i want you to apt-get install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-ati libgl1-mesa-dri -t jessie-backports then reboot
91[00:39:20] <davascript> just follow the arch linux guide its the best one IMO
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93[00:39:59] <missmbob> pacha`: see if it's better. if not come back here. i've got another idea
94[00:40:18] <pacha`> missmbob: thanks again bro, be right back
95[00:41:24] <teraflops> pacha`: no worries.
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98[00:42:47] <teraflops> pacha`: that card should work with vdpau
99[00:43:43] <autofsckk> i want to thank the guy that told me about .xsessionrc at least i can start with my monitor configuration, i used to do it in ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh but in debian it didnt work at all, but now its working, thanks
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101[00:43:56] <pacha`> teraflops: yeah it worked before with the propietary drivers (fglrx) but broke with the new ones
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103[00:44:33] <teraflops> pacha`: do you have hw accel at all? in your DE/WM
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108[00:45:42] <teraflops> pacha`: e.g glxinfo| grep direct
109[00:45:48] <buu> Ok, next question
110[00:46:11] <buu> When I run `ip link list` it says 'no-carrier' but when I run ethtool it says 'link detected: yes'
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113[00:47:17] <buu> just kidding
114[00:47:48] <pacha`> teraflops: Xlib extension "GLX" missing on display "0.0"
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116[00:47:59] <teraflops> ^
117[00:48:10] <pacha`> teraflops: also segmentation fault after that, run with/without sudo
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122[00:49:21] <teraflops> pacha`: so you uninstalled fglxr? if yes it went south
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125[00:49:44] <missmbob> why do you think i want him to try newer versions of what i said?
126[00:49:53] <missmbob> men are so fucking stubborn sometimes
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128[00:50:49] <pacha> teraflops: I uninstalled a lot of stuff related to fglrx, fglrx-dmks-modules, fglrx-controls, I also removed /etc/modprobe.d that blacklisted the free drivers
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133[00:52:56] <buu> ok
134[00:53:04] <buu> How do I use ping -I to test a secondary network interface?
135[00:53:40] <buu> Do I need to add a route?
136[00:53:45] <teraflops> pacha: in a perfect world you only need to purge the fglrx stuff, what missmbob said (from ati howto) and reboot. once glxinfo does not segfault install vdapu
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235[02:03:03] <intricatus> 'Kay, so I accidently dd-ed the first 500MiB of my backup harddrive. It was GPT and ntfs formatted. Is there any chance of recovering any files?
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241[02:06:46] <r4f_debian> Hi all, please, I need to install 'flashplugin-nonfree' but forgot which the syntax of the line I have to include in debian sources.list.
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244[02:08:11] <dirac2> Guys i don't understand what's the strech distribution.
245[02:08:24] <dirac2> Debian stretch.
246[02:08:44] <blackflow> intricatus: from those 500 MiB? Unlikely.
247[02:09:28] <blackflow> dirac2: it's the code name for current "testing" release. See replaced-url
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250[02:10:23] <dirac2> Is like a rolling release for Debian? (or that's Debian sid?)
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256[02:12:26] <Epakai> no, stretch will eventually become stable. testing or unstable (always codenamed sid) could be considered a rolling distribution, but there will sometimes be breakage.
257[02:13:42] <blackflow> dirac2: in a way, yes. new packages and new versions of existing first land in unstable (sid), then when certain conditions are met, they migrate to testing. at some point, testing is frozen and branches off as next stable when all release critical bugs are solved. then testing is unfrozen and continues to receive new stuff from unstable.
258[02:14:37] <blackflow> roughly speaking, as there are nuances, esp. wrt. security fixes and backports.
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262[02:16:56] <intricatus> blackflow: no, I mean it was a 1TB, and half full. I am not too concerned about anything that would have been in the first 500MiB. The other 499.5GBs are what I am worried about.
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264[02:17:50] <intricatus> Does anyone have any tools to recommend?
265[02:18:01] <dirac2> blackflow, thanks for the explanation :)
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281[02:22:57] <locrian9> What's a good irc channel to ask about CPU clock speed fluxuations and voltage fluxuations?
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287[02:25:18] <locrian9> hmmm.. Maybe #Hardware.
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326[02:49:28] <styks198-> Hey when restarting mysql is service mysql restart the same as restarting mysqld?
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333[02:52:52] <goldkatze> Hi :-)
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343[03:03:10] <goldkatze> Tesseract ships with the osd and equ segmentation helpers; do I need -l osd when -psm is already set to 1; what about equ?
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371[03:23:08] <Shabah> vhost /cloacks
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384[03:35:57] <autofsckk> i know debian runs always very old versions, i need to run version 15.11 or newer from smplayer but i have the 14.9.0 , is there a debian way to install what i need without breaking everything?
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386[03:36:30] <dvs> ,v smplayer
387[03:36:31] <judd> Package: smplayer on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u1; jessie: 14.9.0~ds0-1; stretch: 16.11.0~ds0-1; sid: 16.11.0~ds0-1; experimental: 17.3.0~ds0-1
388[03:36:46] <dvs> autofsckk, wait a few months?
389[03:36:51] <autofsckk> i want to play youtube videos directly from there becase when i play them from the browser my computer goes very slow
390[03:37:07] <autofsckk> dvs: jajajajajaj ok thats not an option
391[03:37:58] <autofsckk> is it possible to install just an app, stretch: 16.11.0~ds0-1 this one for instance, and the modify the repos?
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393[03:38:30] <dvs> autofsckk, you'll end up installing stretch if you do that.
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396[03:38:58] <autofsckk> dvs: mmmmm is it that terrible?
397[03:39:26] <autofsckk> i mean, i really need that version so my very old computer works better than seeing at them directly from the browser
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399[03:39:54] <dvs> autofsckk, it's not as stable as jessie but it should be in a few months.
400[03:40:05] <autofsckk> what about sid?
401[03:40:29] <autofsckk> sorry for my newbie questions im very very new to debian
402[03:40:36] <dvs> right now, sid is in a similar state but it won't be after stretch is released
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404[03:41:48] <autofsckk> i think that i could handle those, are like testing in some way?
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410[03:48:27] <autofsckk> i found two ways to do what i want but i think its not approved as a good practice replaced-url
411[03:48:45] <autofsckk> please i need an advice from an experimented user
412[03:49:24] <bazhang> autofsckk, mixing repos is NOT a good idea and not supported
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415[03:50:17] <autofsckk> bazhang: ok i was reading that testing isnt that unstable, is it true?
416[03:50:38] <bazhang> autofsckk, did you read the topic here
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420[03:51:41] <bazhang> autofsckk, also, did you not read what I just said about mixing repos is NOT a good idea and not supported
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422[03:52:21] <autofsckk> bazhang: yes i understand that, so theres no way to change from my current version to the testing one?
423[03:52:23] <pacha> Lets say I sudo rm some_file installed by some_package. is there a way to "restore" the file without apt-get remove && apt-get install that package again? like apt-get diff some_package. I hope I am clear enough
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426[03:54:39] <autofsckk> i have read the topic but jajaja but what are you trying to say, man just say it please
427[03:55:00] <Shabah> hi pacha, no there's no direct way to do so, but you can still recover your main files and packages from your live DVD, and restore them
428[03:55:36] <autofsckk> well vlc plays youtube videos too, its not my favorite player but whatever i can live with that
429[03:56:40] <pacha> Shabah: thanks
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446[04:06:59] <jak2000> hi all anyone here used "google postmaster tools" ?
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450[04:10:16] <dax> yes, but i'm not sure what in them would be on-topic for #debian
451[04:10:34] <jak2000> dax how to configure this on my bind:
452[04:10:42] <jak2000> host de CNAME: 5qdbx2a6m2sd.indianjoy.mx
453[04:10:48] <jak2000> objetivo de CNAME: gv-dmaqjbf4hkvfbk.dv.googlehosted.com
454[04:10:50] <jak2000> ?
455[04:11:42] <dax> no idea, never used bind
456[04:12:08] <jak2000> ok thanks
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526[05:03:43] <FuZi0N> Is there anyway to see a list of services which are configured to start upon boot?
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551[05:20:51] <gon00b> so im installing go via the replaced-url
552[05:22:30] <gon00b> nvm i needed to path at the end
553[05:22:32] <gon00b> lololol
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558[05:25:23] <budman_mtl> hello ppl
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561[05:31:08] <budman_mtl> i need help with a conextan voicemodem...old project i wanna revive, and asterisk wont do-it txs
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564[05:32:51] <missmbob> jesus. did you seriously get a conextan modem working on a modern linux?
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571[05:38:50] <GanzAndere> Hello I am trying to build android application on debian stable jessie and I get the following error: Error: Requirements check failed for JDK 1.8 or greater
572[05:38:55] <GanzAndere> JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64
573[05:39:07] <GanzAndere> This is not 1.8? that is 7
574[05:39:19] <GanzAndere> I find the version numbers confusing. how can I get the correct java
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576[05:39:55] <missmbob> GanzAndere: openjdk-8-jre is in jessie-backports
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578[05:40:15] <pacha> how do I restart pulseaudio? I cant find it in systemctl.
579[05:40:19] <missmbob> !tell GanzAndere -about jessie-backports
580[05:40:29] <GanzAndere> I have this in soures list
581[05:40:59] <missmbob> pacha: you just kill the pid. it automatically restarts itself when that happens (because it used to be so buggy that it crashed all the time. seriously)
582[05:41:26] <missmbob> GanzAndere: great. so you read the instructions and know how to get it from backports
583[05:41:37] <GanzAndere> replaced-url
584[05:41:48] <pacha> missmbob: There is my hero again
585[05:42:09] <missmbob> pacha: glad to help :)
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587[05:42:52] <pacha> missmbob: service some_service restart and systemctl restart some_service is the same? the "service" command is a wrapper to systemd right?
588[05:42:56] <missmbob> GanzAndere: did you apt-get update before?
589[05:43:00] <GanzAndere> yes
590[05:43:40] <GanzAndere> I fixed it
591[05:43:47] <GanzAndere> you have to type -t jessie-backports
592[05:43:56] <GanzAndere> the default pinning is strangely
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595[05:44:20] <missmbob> pacha: service was around from sysvinit and some things havent all been switched over. you should get used to systemctl
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597[05:44:50] <missmbob> GanzAndere: yes. that's why i said "so you read the instructions and know to get it from backports"
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600[05:46:01] <GanzAndere> But first you told me to just update, meaning you yourself weren't sure how to fix the issue, which is why you told me to read the instructions.
601[05:46:05] <GanzAndere> I understand.
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603[05:46:23] <missmbob> GanzAndere: you didn't paste the command. you cut that out
604[05:46:45] <qman> the service command is a generic wrapper that works on most systems, even when they have different init systems
605[05:46:52] <budman_mtl> i did i did !
606[05:47:08] <missmbob> men :/
607[05:47:11] <GanzAndere> missmbob, I notice that now
608[05:47:27] <GanzAndere> I have the 1.8 java now, thanks
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610[05:47:32] <budman_mtl> but having issues w voice alsa
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613[05:48:03] <budman_mtl> and the net deleted all info about 56k modem like it never existed lol
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615[05:48:19] <DarkZero> #vault7
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617[05:48:29] <missmbob> budman_mtl: yeah. the driver i see was released in 2006 and the big deal was 2.6 kernel compatibility.
618[05:48:39] <budman_mtl> voila !
619[05:48:56] <budman_mtl> got my zip drive out !
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622[05:49:13] <budman_mtl> been on this al day, and found little
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624[05:49:48] <budman_mtl> tried to left email to some dev, but they prolly dead since lol
625[05:50:16] <missmbob> afaict you're not going to get it working
626[05:50:58] <budman_mtl> well actually i did
627[05:51:06] <budman_mtl> but aint working right
628[05:51:10] <budman_mtl> need to fine tune
629[05:51:12] <pacha> missmbob: how do I reduce the volume with a command so I can map it some keys? maybe with amixer?
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631[05:51:34] <pacha> reduce/increase volume*
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633[05:51:44] <missmbob> pacha: pactl set-sink-volume 0 -6% (example)
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635[05:52:08] <missmbob> +6 to increase, of course
636[05:52:25] <pacha> missmbob: oh, I was not aware of that command. I use amixer set Master toggle to mute/unmute, should I change that as well?
637[05:52:34] <missmbob> you might have to change 0 to 1 depending on where your sound output is
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639[05:52:45] <pacha> missmbob: 0 works well, thanks
640[05:52:46] <missmbob> pacha: yeah. pactl set-sink-mute 0 toggle
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644[05:56:00] <budman_mtl> miss why are you saying i wont get it ?? you know somthing i dont ?
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647[05:57:04] <missmbob> budman_mtl: i wouldnt say that. i said i dont think you will. just from what i've been reading
648[05:58:23] <budman_mtl> ah ok i got sacred a bit, i read the same as you , but with a little digging /recompiling i got some result
649[05:58:28] <budman_mtl> *scared
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652[05:59:32] <budman_mtl> i should be abble to pass ttyACM0 raw voice data to alsa using pipes but i crash afre a couple of sec
653[05:59:55] <budman_mtl> i fiddle w vgetty etc
654[06:00:17] <budman_mtl> i know i'm close to a solution but can't put my finger on it
655[06:00:37] <budman_mtl> alsa seem not to like the raw data
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657[06:00:48] <budman_mtl> i set many compression etc still
658[06:00:50] <pacha> missmbob: I upgraded from jessie to stretch. everything seems to work fine, but my desktop image is missing. xfconf-query returns that I have set an image as a background (/backdrop/screen0/monitor0/image-path), xfce4-settings-manager -> Desktop preferences doesnt let me pick images/directories. All the files/directories have correct permissions. do you know what might be the problem?
659[06:01:42] <missmbob> pacha: under "style" on the right, it cant be "none"
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662[06:02:31] <pacha> missmbob: you are a genius: /backdrop/screen0/monitor0/workspace0/image-style 0
663[06:02:55] <missmbob> pacha: yay :) glad to help. i'm off to bed though. good luck
664[06:03:06] <budman_mtl> good night and thxs
665[06:03:26] <pacha> missmbob: good night
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768[07:28:14] <veganmaister> hello debian community
769[07:28:23] <veganmaister> linux newb here
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771[07:29:45] <veganmaister> currently attempting to get debian running on macbook 12", will probably wait for Debian9
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775[07:30:44] <veganmaister> have been reading about the whole Ubuntu / Unity / Gnome debacle
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778[07:31:22] <veganmaister> I've found it interesting, since it's kinda like arguing about the best default launcher on Android
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780[07:31:36] <awal1> veganmaister, check debian wiki, there are several tutorials about installing debian in a few mac machines
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784[07:32:26] <veganmaister> @awal1 Yeah, there's plenty of detail though might have to use and external keyboard and mouse to get it up
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807[07:48:21] <Stochastic> Can I somehow make the default make command use some flags of mine globally by way of some environment variable? (I'm aware that projects can override them, but still)
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810[07:50:26] <nkuttler> Stochastic: install make-doc and see info make?
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812[07:50:42] <Stochastic> nkuttler: don't give me that X_X
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816[07:51:11] <Stochastic> nkuttler: there might be something a debian-specific way of doing what I want or something
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818[07:51:38] <Stochastic> *might be a
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839[08:11:03] <kion> I am using stretch and trying to install libpng12-dev which existed in jessie and is no longer in stretch but exists in sid, what is the correct way to install it without making a frankendebian?
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848[08:16:15] <alekz> kion: download the jessie deb and install it
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853[08:16:50] <alekz> that package has only two dependencies, so you won't risk your system ;)
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856[08:17:38] <kion> alekz, should I follow the instructios as to create my own backport? I that proces lets my apt know of it right?
857[08:18:02] <alekz> no need, download it from the website
858[08:18:07] <alekz> replaced-url
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866[08:23:29] <alekz> kion: welcome to Tijuana, tequila sexo y marihuana xD
867[08:23:48] <pragomer_1> want to install debian (stretch) on a macbookpro (bought 2015). can I use a linux-live-cd and gparted to resize osx' partition or will this destroy the installation?
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870[08:25:36] <alekz> pragomer_1: gparted is abble to handle HFS partitions, which is Apple default filesystem
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872[08:26:20] <pragomer_1> that sound cool. next question: are you sure? :-) (ok, I made a dd-image of full disk so this would be my emergency handling)
873[08:26:54] <kion> alekz, why is that last thing?
874[08:26:55] <alekz> pragomer_1: replaced-url
875[08:27:16] <alekz> well kion, your ip points to a Tijuana server
876[08:27:36] <kion> alekz, that's what i thought
877[08:28:15] <alekz> GeoIP Country Edition: MX, Mexico
878[08:28:15] <alekz> GeoIP City Edition, Rev 1: MX, 02, Baja California, Tijuana, 22200, 32.361698, -116.736603, 0, 0
879[08:28:18] <alekz> GeoIP ASNum Edition: AS28554 Cablemas Telecomunicaciones SA de CV
880[08:28:31] <alekz> that's my output for /exec -out geoiplookup 189.204.162.80
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882[08:29:16] <pragomer_1> ok. i will try partitioning with a live cd.
883[08:29:25] <pragomer_1> a 2nd question, also important to me:
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885[08:29:32] <alekz> don't forget to add your macOS yo the grub loader pragomer_1
886[08:29:44] <pragomer_1> will I have to use some tools like refit or can I just juse grub?
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888[08:30:06] <pragomer_1> so I can add macOS later, manually right?
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892[08:31:47] <alekz> pragomer_1: it's possible that the system will detect your macOS install and add it to the grub loader, but id it doesn't then you can add it manually
893[08:32:09] <pragomer_1> ok. puh. then wish me good look the next 60 minutes :-)
894[08:32:22] <alekz> gl ;)
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900[08:37:59] <bismilah> .
901[08:38:34] <alekz> .
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925[09:08:02] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Does jessie use fontconfig anymore? I have a dir in Documents/ called fontconfig/ I have been carrying for a while. Do I still need to keep it?
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936[09:20:04] <abff> replaced-url
937[09:20:09] <abff> fontconfig is still used
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939[09:21:28] <abff> Lady_Aleena although from the wikipage for fontconfig it appears as though you don't need to leave the config files in that directory. You could have them elsewhere
940[09:21:32] <abff> replaced-url
941[09:22:49] <Lady_Aleena> abff, I will look for another fontconfig dir in ~/. I may have copied the fontconfig into Documents for some reason I can't remember.
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943[09:26:56] <Lady_Aleena> It looks like I have a fontconfig in both .config and .cache, so I am going to assume the best, which is I can get rid of fontconfig in Documents.
944[09:28:02] <abff> make sure nothing is different
945[09:28:17] <abff> between the two, maybe you were building a new config and left it half way completed?
946[09:28:33] <Lady_Aleena> abff, I doubt the latter.
947[09:28:51] <abff> well nothing should change on your system regardless :)
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949[09:31:14] <Lady_Aleena> Cleaning up Documents is a pain at times.
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953[09:33:01] <awal1> fontconfig is in .cache
954[09:33:23] <Lady_Aleena> I found one in .config too.
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965[09:42:18] <buu> Ok, I have two debian boxes connected via a 10g switch with 10g twinax/sfp+ cards, however iperf gives me a reported speed of right at 7gbit/s, I've aready messed with mtus and sysctl settings, what else can I do to get better speeds?
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970[09:48:06] <techie28> hi..Im not able to launch firefox after installing 45.9.0esr-1 on Debian 8.7
971[09:48:55] <techie28> No protocol specified Error: cannot open display: :0
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974[09:50:24] <buu> Is your X actually on :0 ?
975[09:50:29] <jnxy> techie28: are you trying to launch it from the terminal perhaps being logged in as a different user?
976[09:50:44] <jnxy> techie28: try DISPLAY=:0 firefox
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981[09:52:32] <buu> How would setting DISPLAY to :0 help if it's already failing to open :0
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983[09:53:06] <techie28> jnxy: it wont work through the ICON or the terminal
984[09:53:15] <jnxy> buu: you are right, I was just about to write "don't mind me"
985[09:53:55] <jnxy> sorry, just woke up and going through my first coffee...
986[09:53:56] <techie28> could be 45.9.0esr-1 not compatible with my debian version?
987[09:54:09] <buu> techie28: how did you install it?
988[09:54:12] <techie28> I have not upgraded to Stretch yet
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990[09:54:19] <techie28> buu: using the command line apt
991[09:54:34] <techie28> it was launching fine before that
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993[09:55:00] <buu> oh wow, 45 is a long time ago
994[09:55:07] <techie28> replaced-url
995[09:55:45] <techie28> I always do apt-get update & then apt-get upgrade
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997[09:56:06] <buu> techie28: if you open a terminal then run: echo $DISPLAY
998[09:56:08] <buu> what do you get?
999[09:56:33] <techie28> buu: it says :0
1000[09:56:53] <buu> techie28: what does: w
1001[09:56:54] <buu> output?
1002[09:56:57] <techie28> could this be the issue? vreplaced-url
1003[09:57:06] <buu> specifically the FROM column
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1006[09:57:46] <buu> techie28: It's possible but doesn't sound likely
1007[09:58:09] <techie28> buu: I did not understood this "techie28: what does: w" sorry
1008[09:58:34] <buu> it's a program
1009[09:58:35] <buu> named w
1010[09:59:00] <techie28> I have to type that in the terminal?
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1013[10:00:34] <buu> yes
1014[10:00:42] <buu> or: xauth info
1015[10:00:51] <elc79> Hi
1016[10:01:41] <elc79> When will be released the new Debian 9?
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1018[10:02:38] <buu> The next release of Debian is codenamed stretch — no release date has been set
1019[10:02:48] <buu> dpkg: stretch
1020[10:02:48] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
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1023[10:03:55] <techie28> buu:Im sorry you mean echo $DISPLAY:w I have to run in terminal?
1024[10:04:02] <buu> no
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1027[10:04:06] <buu> open a terminal
1028[10:04:09] <buu> type the letter: w
1029[10:04:11] <buu> hit enter
1030[10:04:25] <feri> cool buu ty for the info
1031[10:04:30] * feri reads
1032[10:04:37] <elc79> Thanks :-)
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1034[10:04:55] <no_gravity> Is there a good way to diff two files that are just one long line?
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1037[10:05:26] <techie28> buu: it gives me a table with 3 entries with 7 cols
1038[10:05:37] <buu> no_gravity: you could try something like github's diff or some vidiff
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1041[10:05:57] <buu> techie28: What are some of the entries under the FROM column
1042[10:06:13] <buu> I'm trying to find the :XX numbers
1043[10:06:23] <no_gravity> buu: I tried vimdff but it does not help. I would like to find a command line solution.
1044[10:06:27] <techie28> buu: replaced-url
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1046[10:06:42] <buu> no_gravity: what would the output actually look like
1047[10:06:43] <buu> ?
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1049[10:07:05] <no_gravity> buu: Which output?
1050[10:07:13] <buu> no_gravity: of this diff
1051[10:07:32] <no_gravity> buu: Hard to say. The line is 130k characters long.
1052[10:07:57] <buu> techie28: in your console, what happens if you run: sudo -u himanshu firefox
1053[10:08:38] <techie28> buu: it launched
1054[10:08:40] <techie28> wow
1055[10:08:45] <techie28> how is this?
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1057[10:09:16] <buu> techie28: because somehow you're currently the user `root`
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1059[10:09:26] <buu> And not the user `himanshu`
1060[10:09:45] <techie28> buu: thats why it is not running via icon?
1061[10:09:55] <buu> I'm really not sure about the icon
1062[10:10:23] <buu> techie28: if you open a new terminal and type: whoami
1063[10:10:25] <buu> what does it return?
1064[10:10:54] <techie28> buu: when I login I provide username himanshu and password so I guess I was user himanshu & why does it shows 2 entries for that?
1065[10:11:03] <no_gravity> buu: found it: diff <(fold -w 50 file1) <(fold -w50 file2)
1066[10:11:23] <buu> cute
1067[10:11:44] <techie28> buu: whoami gives me root.. I presume I launched the terminal as the root thats why probably?
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1069[10:11:54] <buu> Er, yeah, but how did you do that?
1070[10:12:16] <buu> I mean, you're opening the terminal from your desktop thing right?
1071[10:12:34] <techie28> buu: from the search there is "root terminal" I launched it..yes from the desktop
1072[10:13:07] <buu> oh
1073[10:13:15] <buu> what about a non-root terminal
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1075[10:13:57] <techie28> buu: yes I can launch that too but when I turned on my system It was himanshu password I provided
1076[10:14:08] <techie28> do you think my desktop is running as root?
1077[10:14:21] <buu> It's my working theory
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1079[10:14:29] <buu> Well, not your desktop exactly
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1081[10:14:38] <buu> I think new programs you're running may be trying to run as root
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1083[10:14:50] <techie28> buu:could be
1084[10:14:54] <techie28> before update it was fine
1085[10:15:07] <buu> techie28: can you try rebooting?
1086[10:15:16] <techie28> chromium still works only firefox stopped launching..perhaps something in settings
1087[10:15:28] <techie28> buu: I have rebooted many times
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1089[10:15:58] <buu> it sounds like just the icon is broken
1090[10:16:02] <buu> if you can run it from the terminal
1091[10:16:26] <buu> if you use the search to search for firefox can you launch it from there?
1092[10:17:31] <techie28> buu: it is same like icon from there too
1093[10:17:45] <buu> You mean not working?
1094[10:18:02] <techie28> no
1095[10:18:06] <techie28> it wont launch still
1096[10:18:09] <buu> =[
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1098[10:18:19] <buu> but it opened from the terminal?
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1100[10:18:22] <techie28> yes
1101[10:18:29] <buu> um
1102[10:18:35] <techie28> buu: the command you told launched it
1103[10:19:05] <petemc> buu: re: increasing throughput, you could try increasing tcp buffers and disabling congestion metrics
1104[10:19:50] <techie28> buu: I even removed and reinstalled firefox-esr
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1106[10:21:11] <buu> petemc: woah
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1108[10:22:48] <buu> What value is initcwnd supposed to have?
1109[10:23:16] <petemc> it will vary unless clamped
1110[10:23:30] <petemc> 600 * mss is common
1111[10:23:41] <techie28> buu: Im sorry I just noticed there are more than 1 FIREFOX icon
1112[10:23:56] <techie28> FIREFOX ESR is working fine MOZILLA icon was not
1113[10:24:01] <techie28> buu: thanks :)
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1116[10:25:11] <buu> lol
1117[10:25:13] <buu> good
1118[10:25:46] <buu> hmm, "FWIW for such small RTTs (50ms) and for medium or large files the initcwnd shouldn't affect your average speed much. If there's no packet loss then (i.e. fat pipe) cwnd will be doubling at every RTT. With RTT=50ms on a fat pipe you'll fit 20 RTTs in the first second, meaning that with initcwnd=2 you'll end up with cwnd=2*2^20 after 1 second"
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1121[10:26:37] <techie28> buu: could you also please help regarding android phones?I dont have full rights on my Android phone when I attach it using USB cable
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1123[10:26:50] <techie28> I need to install MTPFS?
1124[10:27:11] <buu> techie28: sounds like you need to root it, if you google 'root android phone' there are many guides, but this is offtopic
1125[10:27:12] <petemc> buu: right, you should have lower rtt if you're on same segment
1126[10:27:23] <petemc> tcp slow start wont have much to do
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1128[10:27:38] <buu> petemc: yeah, this is just two machines on the same switch
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1131[10:28:19] <techie28> buu: no other option other than that?like on windows I can easily access it
1132[10:28:57] <amitprakash> Hi, vulkaninfo keeps crashing on my debian install with /build/vulkan-kX_g0b/vulkan-1.0.39.0+dfsg1/demos/vulkaninfo.c:1485: failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED
1133[10:29:43] <buu> techie28: I'm not sure what you're asking
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1136[10:31:01] <techie28> buu: like I try to access my phone memory to copy images to my laptop.I can see only "cut" option available for the files and "cut" is disabled
1137[10:31:19] <techie28> buu: this doesnt happen in windows
1138[10:31:51] <amitprakash> I have a haswell-ULT GPU
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1140[10:32:35] <buu> techie28: oh, that, did you install mtpfs?
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1142[10:32:58] <techie28> buu:no
1143[10:33:09] <buu> replaced-url
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1145[10:33:21] <buu> replaced-url
1146[10:33:41] <buu> petemc: what is the rx/mini/jumbo settings for?
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1148[10:33:46] <techie28> It shows me the prompt of mounting the phone and I can browser through the storage of phone so did not know it was needed
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1153[10:35:35] <petemc> buu: buffers and payload size
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1163[10:43:28] <hellyeah> do you know what is the package for youtubdl (gui)
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1186[11:03:00] <CyberReaper> hello
1187[11:03:05] <CyberReaper> i need help
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1192[11:05:15] <CyberReaper> can someone help me
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1194[11:05:34] <CyberReaper> is anyone good with linux
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1196[11:05:47] <buu> nobody can help you until you ask a question
1197[11:06:05] <abff> ^
1198[11:06:10] <CyberReaper> ok im running the newest version
1199[11:06:15] <CyberReaper> of kali linux
1200[11:06:16] <CyberReaper> but
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1202[11:06:23] <CyberReaper> when i try to start torghost
1203[11:06:27] <CyberReaper> i get an error
1204[11:06:34] <abff> This is neither a kali channel nor a linux general channel
1205[11:07:10] <CyberReaper> how would i go about figuring it out then
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1207[11:07:26] <buu> join ##linux
1208[11:07:29] <abff> Well you could /join ##linux
1209[11:07:33] <CyberReaper> i tried
1210[11:07:37] <CyberReaper> it says i cant
1211[11:07:50] <abff> You probably need to register
1212[11:07:51] <CyberReaper> put me in overflow
1213[11:07:56] <abff> oh i see
1214[11:08:01] <CyberReaper> how would i register then
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1217[11:09:02] <abff> through the freenode nickserv service, but I didn't realise you were stuck in overflow. there is also #kali-linux
1218[11:09:41] <CyberReaper> i try
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1220[11:09:46] <CyberReaper> to join that and nothing
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1225[11:13:11] <amitprakash> Hi, vulkaninfo keeps crashing on my debian install with /build/vulkan-kX_g0b/vulkan-1.0.39.0+dfsg1/demos/vulkaninfo.c:1485: failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED
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1227[11:13:16] <amitprakash> I have a haswell-ULT GPU
1228[11:13:19] <amitprakash> How do I resolve this?
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1234[11:17:15] <dutchfish> amitprakash, is this debian/stretch, aka testing?
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1236[11:17:37] <amitprakash> dutchfish, yes
1237[11:18:01] <dutchfish> amitprakash, and you are using the latest amdgpu driver/firmware?
1238[11:18:13] <amitprakash> intel, don't have an AMD GPU
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1243[11:20:05] <dutchfish> amitprakash, not tested that, sorry. Btw you can ask #debian-next on OFTC.
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1252[11:25:56] <dutchfish> amitprakash, vulkan-utils->vulkaninfo might come in handy for triaging this.
1253[11:26:34] <amitprakash> dutchfish, the bug is on using vulkaninfo
1254[11:26:52] <dutchfish> amitprakash, replaced-url
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1256[11:27:26] <dutchfish> amitprakash, i am not an expert on this.
1257[11:27:32] <amitprakash> :)
1258[11:28:08] <dutchfish> amitprakash, but i do know, that current testing repos are a bit limping behind, see replaced-url
1259[11:29:24] <amitprakash> dutchfish, I know it has to be a debian issue since I've been able to enable vulkan succesfully on the gentoo install
1260[11:29:43] <dutchfish> amitprakash, on what kernel?
1261[11:29:58] <amitprakash> 4.x iirc
1262[11:30:00] <dutchfish> (just curious)
1263[11:30:11] <dutchfish> amitprakash, 4.what?
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1272[11:32:53] <dutchfish> amitprakash, i know for sure, it wont work if abi does not match with lbc0dev/headers and you are not in the 4.9 tree.
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1274[11:33:50] <amitprakash> dutchfish, wait.. debian kernel or gentoo
1275[11:33:55] <amitprakash> gentoo is on w/e is latest
1276[11:34:00] <dutchfish> amitprakash, see replaced-url
1277[11:34:02] <amitprakash> Debian is on 3.16
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1280[11:34:26] <dutchfish> amitprakash, no, Debian/testing is on 4.9.18-1
1281[11:34:43] <amitprakash> uname -r
1282[11:34:43] <amitprakash> 3.16.0-4-amd64
1283[11:35:02] <dutchfish> amitprakash, that is debian/stable
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1286[11:35:17] <amitprakash> Let me reboot to 3.19 kernel
1287[11:35:20] <dutchfish> ,kernel version
1288[11:35:21] <judd> (kernel [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
1289[11:35:29] <amitprakash> 4.9.0.2* sorry
1290[11:35:31] <dutchfish> not what i ment
1291[11:35:32] <amitprakash> Let me reboot to that
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1297[11:38:07] <amitprakash> dutchfish, oh wow.. changing kernel fixed all :|
1298[11:38:17] <dutchfish> there you go ;)
1299[11:38:22] <amitprakash> dutchfish, thanks!
1300[11:38:26] <dutchfish> yw
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1310[11:45:14] <at0m> ,v linux-image-amd64
1311[11:45:15] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+79~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+79; stretch: 4.9+79
1312[11:45:27] <at0m> ,v linux-image-rt-amd64
1313[11:45:28] <judd> Package: linux-image-rt-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; jessie-backports: 4.9+79~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+79; stretch: 4.9+79
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1331[12:01:37] <spacebug^> how do I setup my KVM-machine to be bridged? I want it to be able to act as an server to stuff on internet
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1333[12:04:27] <teraflops> spacebug^: it depends on the frontend you're using (if any) e.g virt-manager
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1335[12:06:00] <teraflops> it also depends on the type or nic. wireless devices may or may not support bridging
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1342[12:09:08] <spacebug^> teraflops: I'm using virt-manager and also trying to setup the bride following this replaced-url
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1361[12:19:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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1375[12:29:41] <CyberReaper> hello
1376[12:29:44] <CyberReaper> i got new issue
1377[12:29:47] <CyberReaper> on kalilinux
1378[12:29:52] <CyberReaper> when i try to install teamspeak
1379[12:29:56] <CyberReaper> i get mad
1380[12:29:59] <CyberReaper> problems
1381[12:30:20] <CyberReaper> like with i386
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1383[12:31:33] <Pavr> !kali
1384[12:31:33] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1446[13:26:04] <sisko> I sucessfully installed stretch on my macbookpro. the screen resolution in grub2 is 2560x1600. much too small. changing my /etc/default/grub to
1447[13:26:07] <sisko> GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x1024
1448[13:26:19] <sisko> and "update-grub" does have NO effect.
1449[13:26:23] <sisko> what am I doing wrong??
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1453[13:27:25] <blackflow> sisko: is that resolution supported by vbeinfo?
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1455[13:29:02] <sisko> vbeinfo do I have to do at grub-prompt?
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1457[13:29:17] <thecha> how can i have a cli based surveilance camera software for m y usb webcam on a debian?
1458[13:29:40] <blackflow> sisko: iirc yes
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1460[13:30:04] <sisko> is it possible that, in newer grub-versions, this command is called "videoinfo" ?
1461[13:30:16] <sisko> because vbeinfo does not exist anymore.
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1463[13:30:50] <sisko> can I examine the supported resolutions while debian is running?
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1465[13:31:22] <bigkahuna> CyberReaper: providing some more information (like error messages for example) would be a good idea; just use pastebin.com or sth similar
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1469[13:32:09] <BenNZ> sisko: videoinfo is for grub-efi installs vbeinfo is for grub-pc
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1482[13:38:23] <sisko> oh... very good to know: about vbeinfo/videoinfo. learned again something new !
1483[13:38:41] <sisko> going to reboot and try something :-)
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1490[13:43:53] <pragomer_1> hi.. I am former known as "sisko" :-)
1491[13:44:14] <pragomer_1> vbeinfo under grub shows me only ONE resolution 2560x1600
1492[13:44:17] <pragomer_1> is this possible?
1493[13:44:32] <blackflow> with macs? anything goes :)
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1495[13:44:40] <pragomer_1> can I then use a bigger "font" or so? because the menu entry is not readable
1496[13:45:38] <pragomer_1> yes.. its a macbook
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1499[13:46:25] <blackflow> pragomer_1: maybe you could force "text mode", with GRUB_TERMINAL=console line in /etc/default/grub
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1502[13:46:56] <pragomer_1> wait.. going to try this
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1509[13:48:49] <pragomer_1> text mode worked super for me. thats absolute ok. thank you very much for your advice!!
1510[13:48:58] <pragomer_1> so: console option worked !
1511[13:49:09] <blackflow> nice :)
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1525[13:56:27] <lok> how to connect to internet from terminal?
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1531[13:58:51] <nkuttler> lok: what do you want to connect to?
1532[13:59:16] <lok> nkuttler: laptop to internet
1533[13:59:20] <at0m> lok: how do you mean, 'connect'? browse the replaced-url
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1535[13:59:27] <nkuttler> lok: ok, where did you buy the internet?
1536[13:59:31] <at0m> or set up network interfacE?
1537[13:59:38] <lok> yes download/install OS/linux etc.. stuffs
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1539[13:59:53] <nkuttler> lok: just open your web browser?
1540[13:59:54] <lok> nkuttler: i have internet in smartphone
1541[14:00:08] <lok> my laptop dont have gui
1542[14:00:21] <nkuttler> lok: do you have a usb cable? just use usb tethering?
1543[14:00:22] <lok> it is only terminals and i dont know commabds
1544[14:00:30] <lok> both side USB? nkuttler
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1546[14:00:35] <at0m> lok: and what OS is your laptop running now?
1547[14:00:49] <lok> i guess it is linux fedora
1548[14:00:54] <nkuttler> ..
1549[14:01:25] <lok> i want mint/debian
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1551[14:01:31] <lok> gui+terminal
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1555[14:03:05] <at0m> lok: this is #debian support channel if you want debian. there's also #mint, #fedora, and ##networking if you want any of these. on console, try w3m or links
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1557[14:03:40] <lok> what is w3m>
1558[14:03:52] <at0m> a console web browser
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1561[14:05:02] <lok> what is console?
1562[14:05:06] <lok> where to find it?
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1565[14:06:39] <dgriffi> lok: the console is what you have when you're not in X11
1566[14:06:50] <lok> what is x11?
1567[14:06:56] <lok> gui?
1568[14:07:00] <lok> console=terminal?
1569[14:07:28] <aypea[3]> X is the pretty interface. console is the text only stuff you get before you get X
1570[14:08:30] <epsilon> in testing, did the disk UUID change? Boot is failing, cause debian tries to find lvm on UUID in form 12345678-1233
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1572[14:09:01] <sypher> epsilon: That's a FAT UUID, isn't it?
1573[14:09:08] <epsilon> in form 123454678-1234-1234-1234-1234567989012, but in /dev/disk/by-uuid, there are only 1234-123 -> /dev/sda
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1576[14:09:30] <sypher> epsilon: You might get better results if you ask in...
1577[14:09:36] <sypher> !testing
1578[14:09:36] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
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1580[14:09:47] <sypher> epsilon: Note the IRC network and channel.
1581[14:09:50] <epsilon> tried, it's +i, can not join
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1583[14:10:01] <epsilon> ah not here?
1584[14:10:08] <sypher> epsilon: Nope, on the OFTC network.
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1610[14:21:33] <mamuu> hi
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1612[14:21:52] <mamuu> how to get termite
1613[14:21:55] <mamuu> for i3 WM
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1615[14:22:01] <mamuu> termite is not in the repos right
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1617[14:22:08] <GanzAndere> ,v termite
1618[14:22:09] <judd> No package named 'termite' was found in amd64.
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1620[14:22:34] <GanzAndere> !listkeys termite
1621[14:22:36] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'termite' by key returned no results.
1622[14:22:44] <GanzAndere> what is a termite other than a bug?
1623[14:23:12] <mamuu> LOL
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1625[14:23:16] <mamuu> terminal emulator for WM
1626[14:23:22] <mamuu> if you use DE then you dont need it
1627[14:23:24] <mamuu> but I use i3wm
1628[14:23:29] <mamuu> what terminal to use for tiling wm
1629[14:23:32] <mamuu> if not termite
1630[14:23:39] <GanzAndere> I use rxvt-unicode
1631[14:24:09] <mamuu> GanzAndere, with WM?
1632[14:24:11] <mamuu> tiling WM ?
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1636[14:24:45] <nkuttler> mamuu: if your wm does the tiling.. you can use any terminal
1637[14:25:08] <mamuu> nkuttler, I use i3
1638[14:25:12] <mamuu> buttt.
1639[14:25:17] <mamuu> I am used to termite config
1640[14:25:59] <nkuttler> um... replaced-url
1641[14:26:22] <mamuu> nkuttler, erm... no..
1642[14:26:32] <mamuu> nkuttler, what terminal do you use on WM?
1643[14:26:37] <mamuu> are you guys using DE?
1644[14:26:48] <nkuttler> mamuu: again, you can use any terminal you like
1645[14:26:49] <GanzAndere> I try to never get used to customized configs
1646[14:26:54] <GanzAndere> 1) Takes too much time to config things
1647[14:26:55] <mamuu> I have low spec laptop (i5 dual core, 3rd gen) so I prefer to use WM
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1649[14:27:10] <GanzAndere> 2) learn out of box stuff so you can use it anywhere without depending on config
1650[14:27:14] <nkuttler> mamuu: if it's not in debian you'll have to build it yourself..
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1652[14:27:19] <mamuu> GanzAndere, I want terminal that would support vim color base16's
1653[14:27:31] <GanzAndere> rxvt uspports 256 colors
1654[14:27:34] <GanzAndere> how much more could one need?
1655[14:27:44] <nkuttler> it would be hard to find a terminal that doesn't..
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1657[14:27:52] <mamuu> but I think its difficult to configure urxvt
1658[14:27:58] <GanzAndere> maybe.
1659[14:28:03] <mamuu> have to deal with Xresources etc.
1660[14:28:07] <GanzAndere> Learn it.
1661[14:28:09] <mamuu> in termite, I just change config
1662[14:28:11] <mamuu> file
1663[14:28:18] <nkuttler> mamuu: so go use a distro that has termite
1664[14:28:29] <mamuu> nkuttler, well thats not a right answer
1665[14:28:40] <mamuu> nkuttler, I used arch but now I have to deal with debian (not my choice)
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1667[14:28:43] <mamuu> for my work
1668[14:28:49] <GanzAndere> replaced-url
1669[14:28:55] <mamuu> Thanks GanzAndere
1670[14:29:32] <mamuu> nkuttler, and the best thing about debian is that I dont have to waste my entire day on config
1671[14:29:45] <mamuu> nkuttler, I cant get work done in arch without spending time on configurations
1672[14:29:49] <nkuttler> mamuu: anyway. good luck
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1674[14:30:01] <GanzAndere> actually, day is spent on debian to configure. Other already configured distro don't need a whole day.
1675[14:30:11] <mamuu> GanzAndere, like ubuntu right?
1676[14:30:13] <GanzAndere> debian is source of all major distros
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1678[14:30:29] <GanzAndere> therefore, it's not as well polished for the average desktop dumb user
1679[14:30:30] <mamuu> GanzAndere, yes but after updates, arch needs configuration
1680[14:30:34] <GanzAndere> dumb term user
1681[14:30:38] <rephlex_> mamuu, replaced-url
1682[14:30:43] <GanzAndere> not that a user is dumb
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1686[14:30:52] <GanzAndere> But it's a terminology of "dumb terminal"
1687[14:30:56] <mamuu> GanzAndere, gentoo users are not dumb. debian users might be.
1688[14:31:06] <GanzAndere> Try to understand what I'm saying.
1689[14:31:07] <nkuttler> mamuu: fuck off
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1691[14:31:26] <GanzAndere> A dumb terminal is one you don't have to configure
1692[14:32:09] <mamuu> GanzAndere, I want dumb terminal for vim base16.
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1694[14:32:30] <dgriffi> GanzAndere: err... I have a collection of "dumb" terminals and they certainly need configuring if you want them to work
1695[14:32:32] <GanzAndere> You'll have to do a bit of work to setup everything and learn some more linux details
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1697[14:33:01] <GanzAndere> dgriffi, I've 20+ years and I've always found that the user never has to. Only admin does.
1698[14:33:12] <mamuu> I guess there is no such thing as dumb in linux. its free for a reason, you spend your time to configure them
1699[14:33:12] <GanzAndere> And the admin controls the config on the server side. A dumb term is dumb.
1700[14:33:19] <GanzAndere> You dno't configure it. You just login and do you stuff.
1701[14:33:26] <GanzAndere> That's true multiuser system.
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1759[15:02:51] <jer0me> what package could provide tmux-256color terminfo file?
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1761[15:03:02] <jer0me> tmux doesn't unfortunately
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1763[15:03:40] <nkuttler> !tell jer0me about apt-file
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1767[15:05:41] <beardy> judd: file tmux-256color --release unstable
1768[15:05:45] <judd> Search for tmux-256color in sid/amd64: ncurses-term: usr/share/terminfo/t/tmux-256color
1769[15:05:56] <beardy> None in stable..
1770[15:06:15] <beardy> jer0me: ^^^
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1772[15:09:18] <JyZyXEL> i installed libllvm4.0, but still glxinfo says: "OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD TONGA (DRM 3.8.0 / 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64, LLVM 3.8.1)"
1773[15:09:30] <jer0me> thanks beardy nkuttler and judd
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1775[15:09:46] <JyZyXEL> is llvm a build time thing for mesa?
1776[15:10:10] <JyZyXEL> so if mesa is built with LLVM 3.8.1, that's only what library it supports?
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1795[15:19:03] <pragomer_1> what package to install in stretch kde to be able to set the look of gtk-apps?
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1798[15:19:30] <pragomer_1> i remember something like gtk qt engine or so.. but do not find
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1860[15:46:37] <ghormoon> hi, any idea why ifup wlan0=xxxx doesn't work (it just contains iface xxxx inet dhcp(newline,tab)wpa-conf filename but wpa_supplicant -c filename -i wlan0 -B works?
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1913[16:08:08] <blackflow> rizonz: fwiw, no, I've got some Jessie VMs, ethX iface, virtio, everything's fine. But it's hard to compare like that, Ubuntu changes a lot of things.
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1915[16:08:57] <rizonz> blackflow: howdy! yeah didn't do Debian that much anymore
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1917[16:09:47] <rizonz> blackflow: you start it with the same grub options ?
1918[16:09:48] <blackflow> maybe you should reconsider :) I'll be migrating the remaining Xenial servers to Stretch soon.
1919[16:10:00] <rizonz> blackflow: heh should I ?
1920[16:10:18] <rizonz> I love Ubuntu and went away from Debian when they started to messup MD's on upgrades years ago
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1922[16:10:40] <blackflow> rizonz: no, Debian Jessie doesn't use net.ifnames=0, it has a linkfile in /etc/systemd/network. Jessie is doing the transition of having systemd but defaulting to the old ethX scheme.
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1926[16:11:26] <blackflow> rizonz: maybe you should remove that kernel line and see if everything works well with the default naming scheme (the ens3 one)
1927[16:11:41] <blackflow> I wouldn't be surprised if Ubuntu changed anything to hard depend on that :)
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1931[16:13:27] <simpledat> Will 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' upgrade packages from jessie-backports too?
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1933[16:16:11] <BluesKaj> simpledat: I answered you in ##linux
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1955[16:30:34] <Guest96308> Hello, it's there any openbox channel ?
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1988[16:42:07] <rizonz> blackflow: heh can do
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2000[16:47:48] <rizonz> blackflow: does it always start to count @ ens ?
2001[16:47:50] <rizonz> ens3
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2010[16:54:17] <rizonz> blackflow: weird cannot down ens3 or 4 as well when they are up
2011[16:54:25] <blackflow> rizonz: I don't know if 3 is a virtio standard or something, but ens3 is all I've ever seen with it
2012[16:54:35] <rizonz> blackflow: me as well
2013[16:54:40] <blackflow> rizonz: anything in dmesg about that?
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2015[16:54:58] <rizonz> blackflow: rebooting first
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2019[16:55:42] <rizonz> blackflow: don't see a thing about it
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2022[16:56:02] <rizonz> meh this is weird
2023[16:56:23] <blackflow> rizonz: journalctl -p err -n ?
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2029[16:58:38] <rizonz> blackflow: nothing
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2031[16:58:56] <rizonz> why the hack does this happen
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2035[16:59:58] <blackflow> rizonz: really no idea, sorry.
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2040[17:01:04] <rizonz> blackflow: me neither
2041[17:01:07] <rizonz> sucks big time
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2055[17:05:47] <rizonz> blackflow: never seen such thing before
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2059[17:06:42] <mefistofeles> so, upgrading fro wheezy to stretch... that's gonna hurt
2060[17:06:44] <mefistofeles> :P
2061[17:06:47] <mefistofeles> *from
2062[17:07:23] <TomTomTosch> skipping releases is not supported. you will have to upgrade to jessie first.
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2065[17:09:34] <mefistofeles> TomTomTosch: I know
2066[17:09:47] <mefistofeles> TomTomTosch: btw, it's from squeeze to jessie xD
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2068[17:09:58] <mefistofeles> so squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie -> stretch
2069[17:10:01] <blackflow> rizonz: ifdown has -v(erbose) flag, did you try that? any more info? also --force
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2072[17:11:36] <mefistofeles> TomTomTosch: what's sad is that the internet connection is not that good, though if I get to jessie I may have some local repos for it
2073[17:11:50] <rizonz> blackflow: me checks
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2076[17:12:06] <rizonz> blackflow: I was straceing
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2078[17:12:40] <blackflow> rizonz: good idea
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2081[17:13:12] <rizonz> blackflow: --force works
2082[17:13:22] <rizonz> but -v doesn't output anything
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2095[17:16:50] <mefistofeles> when doing apt-get upgrade and get stucks in "waiting for headers" (or something like that, I don't know the exact translation), what does it mean?
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2102[17:18:40] <blackflow> rizonz: after ifdown --force, can you ifup and then ifdown normally?
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2113[17:23:05] <rizonz> blackflow: nope, fails on those routes
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2126[17:29:41] <rizonz> blackflow: replaced-url
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2137[17:34:07] <BluesKaj> no need for ifupdown script if you setup a static ip, ethernet and gateway in the interfaces file and remove network-manager
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2144[17:39:16] <blackflow> rizonz: it doesn't like something about that script. and you say you can run the script manually?
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2146[17:39:43] <blackflow> rizonz: the /etc/network/if-up.d/z90-route-eth0 one
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2150[17:41:36] <rizonz> blackflow: the script itself or what's in it ?
2151[17:41:46] <blackflow> rizonz: the script itself
2152[17:42:33] <blackflow> oh wait, you had a conditional in there
2153[17:43:06] <blackflow> can you pastebin it again?
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2156[17:43:38] <rizonz> ./z90-route-eth1
2157[17:43:39] <rizonz> -bash: ./z90-route-eth1: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
2158[17:43:48] <rizonz> weird as /bin/bash is there
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2162[17:44:24] <blackflow> rizonz: heh, that ^M
2163[17:44:32] <blackflow> that's written on windows?
2164[17:44:36] <sabrehagen> Hi all! Debian stable has g++ 4.9.2 but I need g++ 5.4.0. How do I install 5.4.0?
2165[17:44:56] <blackflow> rizonz: do you know how to use vim?
2166[17:45:10] <rizonz> blackflow: it comes from puppet
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2168[17:45:21] <rizonz> blackflow: there has been some issue like it in PHP in the past as well :)
2169[17:45:24] <rizonz> sec
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2171[17:45:39] <blackflow> rizonz: yeah that's windows CRLF, so I wanted to suggest you open in vim and drop that ^M
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2173[17:46:07] <rizonz> blackflow: there is nothing behind it
2174[17:46:12] <rizonz> also not when I backspace it
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2177[17:46:36] <blackflow> rizonz: drop the entire line with dd, then hit i then type the shebang line, hit escape and type :wq then hit enter
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2183[17:46:55] <rizonz> blackflow: yeah I know, I like nano ;)
2184[17:47:09] <sabrehagen> sorry, i was disconnected. did anybody reply to my g++ question?
2185[17:47:15] <blackflow> rizonz: you opened it in nano? because vim woudl show you the ^M char
2186[17:47:30] <blackflow> rizonz: anyway, the point is to put the shebang line through a linux editor
2187[17:47:40] <blackflow> sabrehagen: nope.
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2189[17:48:02] <sabrehagen> ty
2190[17:49:07] <blackflow> sabrehagen: looks like there's no 5.4.0 in any suite
2191[17:49:27] <blackflow> stretch has 6.3.0
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2193[17:50:47] <rizonz> blackflow: ok sec
2194[17:51:03] <TomTomTosch> sabrehagen: you create a build environment, for example with debootstrap and chroot and install whatever you need inside that build environment manually.
2195[17:51:07] <rizonz> blackflow: holy cow indeed
2196[17:51:15] <rizonz> blackflow: meh why does that come from puppet ?
2197[17:51:22] <blackflow> rizonz: heh. and "broken shebang" was the first thing I said would be the reason :)
2198[17:51:40] <blackflow> thought you said you could run the file manually just fine, so I thought it was something else then.
2199[17:52:15] <blackflow> rizonz: becuse puppet. :) sorry, I don't know, check the template, maybe it came from windows
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2202[17:53:46] <rizonz> blackflow: yeah template seems to be fine
2203[17:53:49] <rizonz> it's really weird
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2206[17:54:20] <rizonz> blackflow: always good to debug like this, it takes time but next time you look earlier to things like htis
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2210[17:55:26] <blackflow> rizonz: so now you can ifdown and ifup just fine? routes set?
2211[17:56:00] <sabrehagen> TomTomTosch: how would i install g++ in the build environment?
2212[17:56:25] <TomTomTosch> by compiling it from upstream source.
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2216[17:58:16] <TomTomTosch> which will probably not be that easy regarding the build deps.
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2232[18:08:02] <budman_mtl> hello all, Im looking for a mentor with raspbian and 56k voice modem pots (not asterisk), if you wnat to help me plz send pm... THXS
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2234[18:08:24] <budman_mtl> *debian too
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2241[18:12:55] <rizonz> blackflow: not tested yet, checking my templates
2242[18:13:06] <rizonz> blackflow: I'm sure it will work now
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2251[18:15:04] <sabrehagen> TomTomTosch: I'm very inexperienced at this. Is this the most straightforward solution? i need g++ 5.4 as it's a dependency of another application i'm compiling
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2273[18:22:59] <seth> Hi there !
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2275[18:23:52] <seth> Got trouble with my battery, checked the /sys/power_supply/BAT files, seems to be full of default values, any idea ? :3
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2280[18:25:59] <seth> the /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1 file*
2281[18:26:14] <antto> #debian-next says it's invite only
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2292[18:28:17] <petn-randall> !debian-next
2293[18:28:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2294[18:28:20] <petn-randall> antto: ^^^
2295[18:28:50] <antto> oh, okay
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2297[18:29:21] <antto> petn-randall that channel is not like a dev channel, right? i can go there and ask a n00b question?
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2306[18:30:44] <missmbob> antto: yes, you can ask n00b questions
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2308[18:31:02] <mtn> costs $5 per question, though
2309[18:31:14] <han-solo> :}
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2318[18:33:34] <missmbob> all these new "send money to friends" apps...i'd much rather something like "send a certificate for a free value meal"
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2326[18:36:25] <han-solo> free lunch!
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2328[18:36:37] <missmbob> yeah. how awesome would that be?
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2331[18:36:52] <han-solo> very :}
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2348[18:40:19] <Learnerwind> Hi I am using debian and i am thinking about make a dualboot usb stick to install both linux and windows. I know how to no a bootable usb for windows and for linux from command line. Could someone guide me in how to do both?
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2442[19:30:36] <armin> any way to get the brightness up/down keys to work on console/tty? (thinkpad x220 here)
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2477[19:50:12] <un214> I can't seem to get git-buildpackage to work -- error: cannot represent change to doc/keynums.png: binary file contents changed
2478[19:50:30] <k3rn3lwalk3r> android studio emulator failed to run
2479[19:50:31] <k3rn3lwalk3r> replaced-url
2480[19:50:38] <k3rn3lwalk3r> this is the error im getting
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2482[19:50:43] <k3rn3lwalk3r> what should i do?
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2486[19:52:34] <k3rn3lwalk3r> this if full error log
2487[19:52:35] <k3rn3lwalk3r> replaced-url
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2490[19:53:49] <Slumlord_> hello
2491[19:54:06] <Slumlord_> what is recommend for debian
2492[19:54:21] <Slumlord_> jessie or stretch
2493[19:54:34] <Slumlord_> or stable
2494[19:54:43] <un214> stable is always recommended
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2497[19:54:45] <Slumlord_> i know jessie is testing
2498[19:54:50] <Slumlord_> and stretch is bleeding edge
2499[19:55:14] <un214> how to I tell gbp buildpackage to *shut up* and just build it from the tree provided?
2500[19:55:25] <LtL> Slumlord_: jessie is 'stable.'
2501[19:55:51] <Poster> Slumlord_: Unless you have a specific need for the newest packages, stable is probably best
2502[19:55:52] <Slumlord_> i haven't been keeping up
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2505[19:56:18] <Slumlord_> i use something called bitlocker
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2507[19:56:28] <Slumlord_> and i was told that perhaps dislocker might work
2508[19:56:32] <JyZyXEL> how do you start a command with low nice & ionice?
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2510[19:57:01] <JyZyXEL> can you just use them one after another?
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2546[20:09:59] <un214> how do I build a dpkg package directly from a git tree? gpb buildpackage is upset about changes not represented in the diff; however ALL DEBIAN changes need to go away
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2556[20:13:39] <n4dir1> i would assume that git-buildpackage might help?
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2611[20:29:58] <hsk3> Can I trust the binaries on debian.org come from the source code they're supposed to be coming from?
2612[20:29:58] <hsk3> How many and who verify the binaries?
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2615[20:30:29] <mefistofeles> hsk3: anyone can do that, I don't think debian pays people to verify them, though
2616[20:30:51] <hsk3> how does anyone do that?
2617[20:30:57] <hsk3> they're already compiled..
2618[20:31:05] <mefistofeles> hsk3: packages.debian.org you can get the source tarballs from packages there
2619[20:31:12] <TomTomTosch> hsk3: they are signed. check the gpg signature
2620[20:31:33] <mefistofeles> TomTomTosch: yeah, but that would imply you know the person who signs it, I think this goes beyond that, or that's what I understood
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2624[20:33:58] <TomTomTosch> mefistofeles: it verifies that it's the exact file released by the debian cd team. not sure what else you could be asking for.
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2629[20:36:43] <mefistofeles> TomTomTosch: exactly, that doesn't mean the file is exactly the code from upstream, you trust debian it is, but you don't know for sure
2630[20:36:59] <mefistofeles> well, the code from upstream + debian patches
2631[20:37:20] <TomTomTosch> you trust the debian team to not be malicious, yes.
2632[20:37:52] <mefistofeles> TomTomTosch: yes, but still you can check if it is the code from upstream (that's more work of course), using the deb/tarball and the files in packages.debian.org
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2634[20:38:23] <hsk3> mefistofeles usually when you compile same code twice, you get a different binary - not same checksum on the binary
2635[20:38:56] <mefistofeles> hsk3: but the upstream tarball is the same
2636[20:39:06] <mefistofeles> you can check the hash on that one
2637[20:39:37] <mefistofeles> meaning, the source dode
2638[20:39:38] <mefistofeles> code*
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2642[20:40:17] <nkuttler> hsk3: replaced-url
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2645[20:40:42] <nkuttler> hsk3: that's not working yet though, but packages are usually built from the build servers
2646[20:40:45] <hsk3> something baaad happened in august 2016 ...
2647[20:41:01] <hsk3> what was that?
2648[20:41:12] <nkuttler> your birthday?
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2650[20:41:23] <hsk3> i mean on that graph
2651[20:41:36] <hsk3> the unreproducible portion
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2690[20:59:09] <TomTomTosch> and now we have found out that the maintainer didn't manipulate upstream source and trust them to run arbitrary code with root privileges on our machine.
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2790[21:49:35] <budman_mtl> hello all, Im looking for a mentor with debian and 56k voice modem pots (not asterisk), if you wnat to help me plz send pm... THXS
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2800[21:54:44] <hellyeah> i guess you should write your question and wait for answer
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2804[21:55:45] <missmbob> and mention that it's a conexant modem ... ;)
2805[21:56:07] <budman_mtl> got many question
2806[21:57:08] <alekz> budman_mtl: have you search for related forums?
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2809[21:57:54] <budman_mtl> the one that left yes lol
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2811[21:58:13] <budman_mtl> i need to pass audio data to alsa
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2815[21:59:23] <budman_mtl> not much advanced info left on the web about 56k voice/linux
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2817[21:59:51] <wkoszek> Anyone knows if Bastian Kleineidam is around?
2818[21:59:56] <missmbob> well it can be pretty simple. just not conexant
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2821[22:00:30] <budman_mtl> tell me more about rockwell/conextan plz
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2825[22:01:20] <missmbob> it's called winmodem for a reason. all the hardware that's supposed to be there is not. instead it relies on software to make up the difference
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2827[22:02:07] <missmbob> cheap and stupid hack that makes linux support pretty awful
2828[22:02:59] <budman_mtl> hmm
2829[22:03:14] <budman_mtl> oko the will look in my attic for ol usr external lol
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2833[22:04:41] <missmbob> budman_mtl: what i'd do is get the kernel source and jump into make menuconfig. then see which drivers are included for which modems. then get one of those on ebay
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2836[22:05:33] <budman_mtl> will look thxs
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2839[22:09:21] <wkoszek> Is anyone here from @debian.org? I'm trying to contact Bastian (he was calvin@debian.org apparently) but the e-mail is bouncing now.
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2843[22:10:17] <petn-randall> wkoszek: Bouncing because of what?
2844[22:10:17] <missmbob> wkoszek: kind of a dick move...but if you *have* to...his personal email is reflexionsniveau@web.de
2845[22:10:59] <petn-randall> Probably would have been nice to obfuscate it so spammers don't pull the mail address from the public logs.
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2847[22:11:38] <wkoszek> calvin@debian.org INVALID_ADDRESS, ERROR_CODE :550, ERROR_CODE :Unrouteable address
2848[22:11:46] <FreddyP> wkoszek: a bounce back will usually give a reason
2849[22:12:12] <wkoszek> FreddyP: Just pasted.
2850[22:12:38] <wkoszek> missmbob, petn-randall He's an owner of a really good piece of software: linkchecker
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2854[22:13:10] <wkoszek> but the repo on GitHub seems abandoned, and it has pilling issues and pull requests
2855[22:13:10] <missmbob> i know. i know him
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2857[22:13:55] <wkoszek> I don't want to bother him, since I assume he's not replying to e-mails on purpose.
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2865[22:17:34] <wkoszek> His GitHub log e-mail didn't bounce. I see that guys who're attempting to fix linkchecker made a organization: replaced-url
2866[22:17:52] <wkoszek> But it's now pretty confusing..
2867[22:18:10] <wkoszek> Just wondering is he'd be willing to transfer the original repo to this new organization
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2941[22:58:20] <shadoxx> i'm still banned from the debian wiki for some reason. is there a infra person here?
2942[22:58:32] <shadoxx> replaced-url
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2947[23:01:04] <missmbob> shadoxx: the mirror you're getting is having issues. i go to wilder and here it's working fine. you can go to #debian-replaced-url
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2949[23:01:57] <shadoxx> missmbob: gracias
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2951[23:02:19] <shadoxx> what is oftc? another irc network?
2952[23:02:44] <missmbob> shadoxx: yes. that's the official debian network. most debian channels are there
2953[23:03:06] <shadoxx> oh cool. i'll add that to my bouncer
2954[23:03:21] <missmbob> !oftc move
2955[23:03:22] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
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2984[23:26:04] <dirac1> Hello guys i have a doubt, the debian SID, have non-free and contrib repositories?
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2999[23:31:24] <dirac1> Nevermind.
3000[23:31:55] <buu> I swear to god I'm going to find that indian-english dictionary and burn it
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3032[23:50:45] <jhutchins> ,wheezy
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3036[23:51:31] <jhutchins> !wheezy
3037[23:51:31] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
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3043[23:54:13] <rizonz> is it possible to preseed with amd64 only ?
3044[23:54:32] <rizonz> so it also only exist as [arch=amd64] in the repo lost ?
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3050[23:57:50] <mefistofeles> should I just install the kernel image first with apt and then dist-upgrade again?
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3054[23:58:58] <missmbob> mefistofeles: what's your goal? what's the problem?
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