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• 1[00:00:45] <terr_> tomlet me try
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• 4[00:01:22] <tomreyn> "kvm-ok" is part of package "cpu-checker"
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• 7[00:03:47] <terr_> not found
• 8[00:04:31] <terr_> cpu-checker - package not found
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• 12[00:05:25] <jhutchins_wk> I have a strange one: User uses ssh agent, can log in to any server in a group. Can then ssh to any other server in the group using the key stored in the agent. When the user logs in to one particular server, he can not ssh to the others; debug does not show the key being sent, only the attempt to find the local keys.
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• 17[00:08:17] <tomreyn> terr_: right, it doesn't seem to be present on oldstable
• 18[00:09:51] <terr_> tomreyn, well - how do I start kvm? I used VMWare before - but that was over a decade... and I have not yet read the manual
• 19[00:09:54] <tomreyn> jhutchins_wk: AllowAgentForwarding in the first servers' sshd_config
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• 23[00:12:30] <tomreyn> terr_: read the manual :) there are several ways. if you're looking for a graphical interface the more common one is probably virt-manager
• 24[00:13:15] <tomreyn> many frontends will dpeend on libvirt
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• 34[00:16:56] <terr_> virt-manager command not found
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• 37[00:17:14] <terr_> tomreyn, not to worry. I still have not read the manual.
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• 41[00:18:36] <jhutchins_wk> That's not there, but I looked on another server that works and it's not there either.
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• 43[00:18:53] <jhutchins_wk> I'll check the master puppet config in the morning.
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• 45[00:20:44] <tomreyn> another possible cause would be the client having 'ForwardAgent no' set for the server which it can't jump through, or '
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• 47[00:21:04] <tomreyn> 'ForwardAgent yes' only for all the others (defaults to no)
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• 49[00:21:53] <tds> jhutchins_wk: worth checking you don't have anything in your bashrc (or similar) overriding SSH_AUTH_SOCK, or it manually set in ssh_config
• 50[00:22:07] <tds> just checking the contents of SSH_AUTH_SOCK once ssh'd in would be a good start
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• 53[00:25:36] <jhutchins_wk> Well, it's just this one target server that doesn't seem to work, and I can't see that there's anything that turns it off.
• 54[00:25:46] <jhutchins_wk> I'm going to have him try ssh -A tomorrow.
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• 57[00:30:28] <Organizm> u guy think of any complications in having home/user folder a symlink?
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• 62[00:32:06] <unkmar> Organizm: Nah. I've done it successfully. Just make sure the target is mounted before trying to login to that user.
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• 64[00:32:23] <Organizm> wow
• 65[00:32:25] <Organizm> i like u
• 66[00:32:29] <somiaj> Organizm: should work fine, though why have it a link and not just point the users HOME dir at the actual location in /etc/passwd?
• 67[00:32:54] <Organizm> wow i like him even more
• 68[00:34:35] <Organizm> is it a holiday or something
• 69[00:34:54] <somiaj> usually people here are working (or procrasting work)
• 70[00:35:31] <unkmar> And I have magically just reappeared after years of being away. I do that sometimes.
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• 117[01:30:18] <unkmar> o/ Everyone have a good one. See you again some time.
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• 125[01:34:55] <ItsAlwaysDNs_> replaced-url
• 126[01:35:03] <ItsAlwaysDNs_> I'm on DigitalOcean, so I'm fine :)
• 127[01:35:08] <ItsAlwaysDNs_> They have great guides too
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• 183[02:35:57] <gunchyo> hello. i just update to latest buster-backport kernel and systemd. I have home folder softlink to real home folder, but now applications can't access real home folder through softlink
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• 185[02:36:10] <gunchyo> is this due to systemd-homed?
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• 209[02:52:52] <Gm4n> I've updated to buster, and my system is no longer booting with the xen kernel. I note that it's pairing xen 4.11 with linux 4.19, is that the problem?
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• 233[03:04:35] <Gm4n> is there no way to run Xen with Buster? `apt-cache search xen-hypervisor` shows only 4.8 and 4.11, and apt-cache only shows 4.9 and 4.19 avilable for linux kernels
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• 290[04:07:22] <tharkun> Good $DAY, I just installed Debian 10 on a new hdd I have two isues. Wifi asked for two files b43/ucode15.fw and b43-open/ucode15.fw . The second isue is that when I ask xfce to shutdown everything is done but when the final Target is reached the laptop remains on. It does not shutdown. Can some one lend me some of your precious time to fix this isues?
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• 293[04:09:49] <flygoat> tharkun: For the WiFi firmware you may need firmware-b43-installer.
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• 295[04:11:07] <tharkun> flygoat: note taken. Thanks
• 296[04:11:40] <hemimaniac> for the power situation, check your xfce power manager settings, might be something there stopping it
• 297[04:12:04] <flygoat> tharkun: Did you try poweroff command?
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• 299[04:12:16] <tharkun> hemimaniac: I will look into it.
• 300[04:12:22] <tharkun> flygoat: no, not yet.
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• 302[04:13:01] <flygoat> You may try it. If the issue still exist then it might be a kernel ACPI related bug.
• 303[04:13:38] <tharkun> flygoat: any further log I should look into before I report back?
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• 310[04:15:39] <flygoat> If it's a kernel problem than it's very hard to dump any log.
• 311[04:16:28] <flygoat> You can check journalctl about last shutdown probably.
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• 319[04:31:07] <renrelkha> i'm attempting to look up some infos on replaced-url
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• 321[04:32:15] <hemimaniac> not here
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• 323[04:34:56] <renrelkha> awesome
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• 328[04:38:23] <renrelkha> every wiki page says that
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• 333[04:41:57] <shiv> Do I need to upgrade New Linux kernel headers everytime I get a notification?
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• 337[04:43:50] <Nocturn3> yello
• 338[04:44:00] <Nocturn3> does anyone know how to fix this?
• 339[04:44:04] <Nocturn3> aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for Raspbian/buster
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• 347[04:46:09] <Nocturn3> #flood aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for Raspbian/buster
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• 423[04:52:13] <moaker> well at least i can type with onboard using a pen heh
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• 426[04:52:25] <moaker> pretty fun stuff
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• 535[04:57:57] <robobox2> Does GNOME Boxes work in Wayland? I know the appilcation starts up, but does running virtual machines work?
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• 645[06:32:41] <Mystified> guys, I have a 2 in 1, the touch screen keys are to small how to make them larger.
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• 648[06:33:00] <Mystified> can anyone assist with gnome DE with this question
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• 650[06:33:05] <Mystified> thanks in advance
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• 688[07:07:42] <ZaZaGX> Debian 10 Gnome or Debian 10 KDE?
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• 695[07:10:32] <han-solo> kde
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• 697[07:10:44] <ZaZaGX> oh how come?
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• 699[07:10:59] <han-solo> because i like kde # :)
• 700[07:11:38] <ZaZaGX> #?
• 701[07:12:18] <han-solo> and roboto mono from powerline everywhere
• 702[07:12:23] <joepublic> maybe "#" stands for "plasma"
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• 704[07:12:41] <han-solo> ZaZaGX: oh, i didn't read the previous question
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• 706[07:12:46] <ZaZaGX> i am watching the Debian 10 KDE youtube video
• 707[07:13:19] <han-solo> sorry about that. I thought you were just asking, for a suggestion # :)
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• 709[07:15:01] <ZaZaGX> I haven't used KDE in a long time
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• 711[07:17:59] <ZaZaGX> I started to use KDE in kernel version 2.4.2-2
• 712[07:18:07] <ZaZaGX> I don't even know which KDE version it was
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• 714[07:19:50] <ZaZaGX> I liked it back than. but I am not sure if I can adapt to the newest version of KDE
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• 860[09:07:28] <countdr> I will delete all .ko files not in lsmod. Does lsmod include static link modules from initrd?
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• 867[09:09:32] <countdr> 10000 files to delete.
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• 886[09:13:58] <dgp> countdr: *insert jacky chan why gif here*
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• 888[09:14:22] <countdr> dgp Care to provide a link
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• 918[09:34:01] <countdr> Why isn't snd_usb_audio in /lib/modules ? How is it in lsmod?
• 919[09:34:29] <ksk> countdr: what are you really trying to do? Why do you ask that question?
• 920[09:34:50] <countdr> Delete files.
• 921[09:34:52] <jm_> it is there as snd-usb-audio.ko
• 922[09:35:02] <countdr> Oh thank you. Naming convention
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• 924[09:35:33] <ksk> on a healty debian system, you do not delete files outside of your $HOME
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• 968[10:03:46] <countdr> Do static link modules show in lsmod?
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• 974[10:06:25] <leo74> does not
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• 982[10:13:10] <hans_> grub shipping with ubuntu 18.04 from july 2018 can boot a btrfs zstd-compressed root filesystems, but grub shipping with debian 10 from july 2019 can not?
• 983[10:13:11] <hans_> that's weird
• 984[10:13:51] <hans_> > error: compression type 0x3 not supported.
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• 986[10:14:47] <Haohmaru> is the grub the same version in both?
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• 988[10:15:40] <Haohmaru> the date itself afaik doesn't matter, since crapbuntu akchually takes stuff from the debian testing
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• 992[10:17:07] <hans_> well ubuntu1804 comes with "grub 2.02-2ubuntu8.14", but can't check debian 10's right now
• 993[10:17:22] <Haohmaru> ,v grub
• 994[10:17:23] <judd> No package named 'grub' was found in amd64.
• 995[10:17:36] <hans_> ,v grub-install
• 996[10:17:37] <judd> No package named 'grub-install' was found in amd64.
• 997[10:17:40] <hans_> doh
• 998[10:17:49] <hans_> ,v grub*
• 999[10:17:50] <judd> No package named 'grub*' was found in amd64.
• 1000[10:17:55] <Haohmaru> nah, guessing won't do it ;P~
• 1001[10:17:55] <hans_> lel was worth a shot i guess
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• 1004[10:18:30] <hans_> ,v grub-pv
• 1005[10:18:31] <judd> No package named 'grub-pv' was found in amd64.
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• 1007[10:18:32] <hans_> ,v grub-pc
• 1008[10:18:33] <judd> Package: grub-pc on amd64 -- jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; stretch: 2.02~beta3-5+deb9u2; buster: 2.02+dfsg1-20; bullseye: 2.04-5; sid: 2.04-5
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• 1011[10:21:12] <hans_> wonder if ubuntu just removed "beta" from the name lel
• 1012[10:21:26] <Haohmaru> so, what's the question?
• 1013[10:21:32] <jm_> you get that error in grub?
• 1014[10:21:51] <hans_> why can't debian10 boot btrfs zstd-compressed partitions? (ubuntu can, and has been able to for a long time)
• 1015[10:22:09] <hans_> is the question
• 1016[10:23:06] <Haohmaru> no idea, i had btrfs partitions on one debian here, and when the HDD died i figured that was a bad decision
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• 1018[10:23:25] <hans_> you think btrfs contributed to the hdd death?
• 1019[10:23:30] <Haohmaru> no
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• 1021[10:23:43] <Haohmaru> but it certainly didn't help when there were bad sectors
• 1022[10:24:03] <hans_> the checksumming didn't give you a early warning?
• 1023[10:24:04] <countdr> I use ext2 and FAT32
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• 1025[10:24:28] <Haohmaru> hans_ i don't know, was i supposed to be checking something?
• 1026[10:24:34] <hans_> dmesg
• 1027[10:24:43] <Haohmaru> i guess.. i haven't
• 1028[10:25:44] <Haohmaru> thing is, i thought you can let it scan the sh*t and mark the bad sectors, move data away if possible, and stop using those sectors
• 1029[10:25:55] <countdr> FAT32 has that scan
• 1030[10:25:56] <Haohmaru> but it turns out btrfs doesn't have that feature
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• 1032[10:26:28] <Haohmaru> ext4 does, so i rescued as much as i could and moved it onto ext4 and reinstalled
• 1033[10:27:03] <hans_> i thought that was btrfs -d dup -m dup , but i'm no expert
• 1034[10:27:33] <hans_> (doing that essentially halves your usable disk space tho, it's like a single-drive raid1 <.<)
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• 1037[10:29:43] <Haohmaru> doing any experimentation was not really an option.. one day as i installed updates and went to reboot it, rebooting suddenly took like 10 minutes.. and from then on, reaching desktop took ages
• 1038[10:29:45] <jm_> I checked grub-pc 2.02-2ubuntu8.14 and the part where it shows that error is exactly the same as in debian, it only has zlib and lzo support
• 1039[10:29:54] <Haohmaru> i didn't feel like trying out things
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• 1045[10:31:15] <jm_> newer version of grub supports it, replaced-url
• 1046[10:31:20] <jm_> ,checkbackport grub-pc
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• 1048[10:31:31] <judd> Backporting package grub-pc in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 10), gcc-9, gcc-9-multilib [i386 kopensolaris-i386 any-amd64 any-ppc64 any-sparc].
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• 1064[10:39:43] <hans_> jm_, huh, thanks for checking
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• 1066[10:40:06] <hans_> sorry guess i remembered wrong
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• 1068[10:41:26] <hans_> how do i enable auto login on main terminal on debian10? i guess kernel parameter init=/bin/bash isn't the right way to do it?
• 1069[10:41:41] <hans_> i want it to automatically open as root user on startup
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• 1071[10:42:07] <jm_> hans_: at least lightdm and nodm support that feature
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• 1073[10:42:44] <jm_> ahh gdm3 does too
• 1074[10:42:53] <hans_> i don't want X, i don't want a GUI, just a terminal for this one (trying to keep the system filesize minimal)
• 1075[10:42:56] <molluskempire> For sources in sources.list if I have the non-free main and contrib should I comment out the regular deb and deb-src main?
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• 1080[10:44:08] <jm_> ahh so you really mean console, you can tell it what to start on each tty in inittab
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• 1082[10:44:36] <hans_> inittab?
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• 1085[10:44:48] <leo74> modify systemd setting
• 1086[10:44:48] <hans_> nvm found it
• 1087[10:44:54] <jm_> ok not with systemd, systemd has its own thing for it
• 1088[10:44:58] <hans_> /etc/inittab ?
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• 1091[10:45:19] <hans_> ah guess not
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• 1097[10:46:08] <jm_> for systemd you'll want to override the getty@.service
• 1098[10:46:35] <jm_> agetty supports --autologin
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• 1100[10:47:03] <molluskempire> from what I can tell my apt-get update conflict comes from several sources.list lines conflicting I'm just not sure which ones need to be commented out.
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• 1103[10:48:01] <jm_> molluskempire: put it on the paste site
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• 1116[10:54:11] <molluskempire> replaced-url
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• 1126[11:00:35] <molluskempire> I'm almost positive it's that I need to comment out the main and contrib lines that aren't non-free, do the non-free lines contain the main and contrib files from the open source and the non-free?
• 1127[11:01:40] <tinyhippo> maybe
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• 1132[11:03:38] <ksk> !tell molluskempire about buster sources.list
• 1133[11:03:46] <ratrace> molluskempire: no, they're separate
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• 1142[11:09:55] <molluskempire> ratrace: do you know why I would be getting a conflict when trying to run update with the target line stating those lines as configured multiple times then?
• 1143[11:10:29] <molluskempire> because specifically it is saying the target conflict rests between the main and the main non-free lines in my pastebin.
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• 1147[11:11:57] <ratrace> molluskempire: I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you pastebin the exact error message you're getting?
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• 1150[11:13:37] <themill> molluskempire: you have duplicated entries in what you pastebinned
• 1151[11:14:36] <molluskempire> themill: the error message tells me the duplicates are the main and then the main non-free which is why I asked if the non-free contatined the regular main files as well
• 1152[11:14:53] <molluskempire> replaced-url
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• 1155[11:15:40] <themill> molluskempire: the error message tells you exactly which lines are duplicating the information
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• 1158[11:16:52] <molluskempire> So. the main and the main contrib non-free, as an example, are providing the same information. Good to know.
• 1159[11:16:56] <themill> To be clear, packages are only ever in one component
• 1160[11:17:02] <themill> no, that is not correct
• 1161[11:17:22] <themill> let's start again on that...
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• 1163[11:17:48] <themill> "main" is in both of those and so "main" is duplicated. Packages in "main" are not also in "contrib" or "non-free" as you asked earlier
• 1164[11:18:31] <molluskempire> Ah, so main contrib and non-free are arguments to be passed to that particular package?
• 1165[11:19:11] <themill> main contrib non-free is a list of components to be looked for in that suite. (see sources.list(5) for details)
• 1166[11:19:29] <themill> deb uri suite [component1] [component2] [...]
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• 1170[11:20:11] <mi11k1> offtopic, nebody know how to do tricks with ios?
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• 1172[11:20:24] <molluskempire> Ah, okay that makes sense, so main is listed twice in all these conflict situations.
• 1173[11:20:24] <mi11k1> jailbreak iphone
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• 1176[11:20:59] <mi11k1> molluskempire are u apt'ing?
• 1177[11:21:09] <themill> molluskempire: that's correct
• 1178[11:21:21] <molluskempire> themill: thank you
• 1179[11:21:28] <mi11k1> u can use an online generator
• 1180[11:21:42] <mi11k1> sometimes, can be helpful
• 1181[11:21:44] <molluskempire> I am apt-get'ing yes.
• 1182[11:22:20] <mi11k1> u figure it out?
• 1183[11:22:58] <themill> mi11k1: I'm yet to see an online sources.list generator that doesn't do more harm than good
• 1184[11:23:31] <mi11k1> only if yer adding 3rd party
• 1185[11:23:47] <hugh_marera> It may be easier for you to start at line 3 and search it in the remaining lines to see if it appears as a subset or whole in the remaining lines. If it is, then it is duplicated. Then line 4 and so on
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• 1189[11:25:13] <molluskempire> Yeah, I didn't realize the component part. I saw it in the dpkg tell but didn't grok the fullness.
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• 1192[11:25:27] <mi11k1> molluskempire replaced-url
• 1193[11:25:35] <molluskempire> themill helped greatly though.
• 1194[11:25:36] <mi11k1> fixes missing keys
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• 1198[11:27:13] <ratrace> no complex or convoluted scripts are needed realy, there's basically three lines you need (base repo, updates and security), each listing all the components you want (main, contrib, non-free, ...), and then one for each of the (probably rare) additional repos you might want.
• 1199[11:27:33] <molluskempire> ratrace: Yeah that makes sense
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• 1204[11:27:58] <ratrace> molluskempire: and ksk already asked the bot for those basic lines.
• 1205[11:28:01] <ratrace> !buster sources.list
• 1206[11:28:01] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1209[11:29:27] <mi11k1> ratrace that just fixes keys if u mess with ppa's and stuff
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• 1211[11:29:49] <mi11k1> if u go off the beaten trail
• 1212[11:31:32] <molluskempire> I presume deb-src is for building from source then?
• 1213[11:31:42] <mi11k1> yepp
• 1214[11:31:50] <mi11k1> in a few words
• 1215[11:31:55] <molluskempire> I see.
• 1216[11:32:21] <mi11k1> i havent played with that since i started.
• 1217[11:32:27] <mi11k1> with jessie
• 1218[11:33:03] <mi11k1> its cool to see how debian got better and better
• 1219[11:33:48] <mi11k1> when u mention linux, ppl are like "ugh". theyre kinda dumb
• 1220[11:34:52] <ratrace> mi11k1: there are no PPAs in Debian
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• 1222[11:35:14] <mi11k1> not officially
• 1223[11:35:23] <themill> not at all
• 1224[11:35:25] <molluskempire> I think it's more valuing convenience than it is stupidity.
• 1225[11:35:30] <mi11k1> i do it all the time
• 1226[11:35:52] <ratrace> !frankendebian
• 1227[11:35:53] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
• 1228[11:35:53] <mi11k1> without breaking anything
• 1229[11:36:18] <mi11k1> and i dont ask
• 1230[11:36:36] <ratrace> mi11k1: good for you. please don't advise others do it, especially not with random convoluted scripts that would manage somethign that doesn't even exist in Debian.
• 1231[11:37:29] <mi11k1> i didnt advise anything. youre being a little uptight.
• 1232[11:37:58] <mi11k1> its ok though, im not getting into a pissing contest.
• 1233[11:38:21] <ratrace> I'm not. molluskempire obviously doesn't understand the sources.list and last thing they need are some "PPA" managing scripts
• 1234[11:39:01] <mi11k1> that script doesnt manage ppa's.
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• 1237[11:39:25] <mi11k1> sorry for the misguidance molluskempire
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• 1239[11:40:13] <mi11k1> molluskempire do you uuse virtualmachines?
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• 1245[11:43:11] <Jhon> 饿了
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• 1247[11:44:00] <molluskempire> All good. mi11k1 I do, though I've yet to set it up on buster. Most of the VM work I have done has been in Windows.
• 1248[11:44:43] <mi11k1> did you try buster on a windows host?
• 1249[11:44:46] <mi11k1> as a vm?
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• 1252[11:47:16] <EdePopede> !cn
• 1253[11:47:16] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！- debian-chinese-big5@lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org
• 1254[11:47:41] <molluskempire> Nope, I just went straight to buster when I got this new laptop. I've always wanted a machine to consistently play with a linux system and I'm most used to Debian and it's derivatives (which is still not very used to).
• 1255[11:48:05] <mi11k1> molluskempire what desktop environment are u using?
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• 1259[11:49:31] <mi11k1> molluskempire just a suggestion, oracles virtualbox is free and works well. you could experiment without any consequences
• 1260[11:50:11] <mi11k1> as soon as i started using vm's i learned quick
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• 1262[11:50:38] <mi11k1> or docker
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• 1265[11:52:03] <molluskempire> At the moment, MATE, I've been moving between to get a feel. I used XFCE in the past and wanted to try LxQT but I haven't much liked LxQT so far.
• 1266[11:52:15] <mi11k1> me either
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• 1268[11:52:31] <mi11k1> mate used to be my fav, plasma KDE is pretty advanced
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• 1318[12:26:45] <Lope> Anyone here know about firejail?
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• 1321[12:26:59] <ksk> !anyone
• 1322[12:26:59] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 1323[12:28:00] <Lope> i need to be able to run Teamviewer and maybe Zoom. I needed to decide between setting up a linux VM for this, or using firejail. I've never used firejail before. I considered using firejail for this, but Teamviewer requires installing a .deb package and I'm not comfortable doing that. So I guess a VM it is.
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• 1325[12:28:19] <quarterback> I know about fail2ban.
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• 1328[12:28:49] <Lope> What about installing shit like teamviewer etc in a chroot. Is that viable to run GUI applications that use webcams etc in a chroot?
• 1329[12:28:55] <ratrace> Lope: you can also use LXC
• 1330[12:28:56] <Lope> Seems like a VM is the way to go.
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• 1334[12:30:09] <Lope> And even with a VM, I'm not expecting webcam and audio to work properly. USB and Audio is often sketchy in VM's unless you can pass through a whole USB controller and then use USB stuff for sound etc. But my crappy CPU doesn't support IOMMU.
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• 1338[12:30:44] <Lope> ratrace, cool idea, how would you get LXC working with GUI stuff? VNC?
• 1339[12:31:31] <ratrace> Lope: nah, directly via xorg socket. replaced-url
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• 1341[12:32:07] <Lope> ratrace, oh, of course, X forwarding or whatever it's called.
• 1342[12:32:29] <ratrace> Lope: no, directly :)
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• 1344[12:33:11] <ratrace> bind mount host's /tmp/.X11-unix into container's /tmp (readonly suffices), and something something xhost + authority
• 1345[12:33:13] <Lope> ratrace, holy cow. but then what about key-logging my X-session?
• 1346[12:33:48] <Lope> ratrace, and how would the USB stuff work?
• 1347[12:34:20] <ratrace> Lope: a container is just a namespace, it's still the same OS, it's not virtualization. LXC binds /dev things so all your hardware is directly available
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• 1349[12:34:42] <ratrace> but if you're worried about keyloggers, then indeed a VM is more suitable
• 1350[12:35:06] <Lope> ratrace, yeah, VM sounds like the way to go. It seems LXC is more for controlling resource usage rather than security.
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• 1352[12:35:39] <ratrace> it has some security benefits, but it's still the same kernel, with all the namespacing vulns that might exist.
• 1353[12:35:45] <Lope> also keeping software contained so it doesn't junk up the root system. For compiling things etc containers are nice.
• 1354[12:35:57] <Lope> Yeah
• 1355[12:36:20] <Lope> I also wonder whether it's worthwhile doing dual system. Then there's really no virtualization hardware issues.
• 1356[12:36:41] <Lope> Just run all the bullshit on an old laptop. Zoom, teamviewer and whatever other crap people want me to use.
• 1357[12:37:09] <Lope> Hell, could even run Skype on it!
• 1358[12:37:16] <Lope> *cringe*
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• 1361[12:38:07] <Lope> I've got an old laptop. I could dedicate it to BS. Dual boot the sucker even.
• 1362[12:38:33] <Lope> It's nice having a windows computer around for when you need to flash firmware to things.
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• 1364[12:40:32] <EdePopede> Lope: what exact are your concerns with TS? sometimes a .deb is not much more than a wrapped tarball you also could unpack somewhere, as long as the dependencies are met.
• 1365[12:40:53] <Lope> TS?
• 1366[12:41:00] <Lope> you mean TV?
• 1367[12:41:14] <EdePopede> ah, teamVIEWER. yeah, always confuse it with teamSPEAK
• 1368[12:41:34] <EdePopede> needless to say that i usually can't remember either name when i want to refer to it
• 1369[12:41:51] <Lope> EdePopede, Oh I see TeamViewer is german. I'm actually less concerned now. I thought it was closed source american software.
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• 1371[12:42:00] <Lope> That's almost as bad as closed source chinese software.
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• 1373[12:42:19] <EdePopede> you don't trust the NSA, but you trust the BND? ;)
• 1374[12:42:27] <ratrace> TV has had some serious vulns recently. I wouldn't trust running it on any shared hardware
• 1375[12:42:31] <Lope> I prefer not to run closed source shit on my computer. That's why I boycott DisplayLink.
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• 1378[12:42:57] <Lope> ratrace, yeah, it's good to have a BS computer. For all your BS needs.
• 1379[12:43:13] <Lope> EdePopede, BND?
• 1380[12:43:25] <EdePopede> ratrace: what about running such software in a dedicated user account? as long as there is no privilege escalation, things shouldn't be that bad?
• 1381[12:43:49] <EdePopede> Lope: Bundesnachrichtendienst, our military service. and good friend with their US counterparts
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• 1383[12:44:46] <Lope> EdePopede, my previous attempts to run software as userb's while I'm logged into usera were not great. I can't remember the details, but I think I concluded it's not an option.
• 1384[12:45:01] <Lope> userb, not "userb's"
• 1385[12:45:25] <EdePopede> Lope, if you're out for such things (just as final statement from me) look for #cryptoleaks and project rubikon
• 1386[12:46:01] <ratrace> EdePopede: well that's one "as long as" I'd never trust. I run many (desktop) apps in custom AppArmor profiles for that reason.
• 1387[12:46:14] <Lope> EdePopede, is #cryptoleaks a twitter hashtag or a channel?
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• 1390[12:46:30] <ratrace> EdePopede: primary problem here is privesc vulns in _other_ software that's wide open to your user
• 1391[12:46:39] <Lope> ratrace, so you prefer apparmour over firejail?
• 1392[12:46:40] <EdePopede> i had a setup in my old system (will definitely return after upgrade) with xterm + script + screen and granting access to te desktop for that local user. firefox worked great in that scenario
• 1393[12:46:44] <ratrace> Lope: yes
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• 1395[12:46:56] <EdePopede> Lope: hashtag
• 1396[12:47:08] <ratrace> Lope: they're not in either-or relationship though, you can run firejail (which is namespacing) AND apparmor that.
• 1397[12:47:30] <ratrace> though personally I'd never use firejail. If I needed containers, systemd-nspawn is already there and very functional.
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• 1399[12:48:35] <EdePopede> ratrace: how much overhead do such things produce? with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ and 2GB RAM i don't have too many of them (firefox, twitter, google, media sites, uh....)
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• 1402[12:50:25] <ratrace> EdePopede: namespaces afaik have either no or insignificant overhead. AppArmor adds some overhead, mostly insignificant unless you had a syscall heavy use case and each was AA filtered.
• 1403[12:50:33] <ratrace> But eh.... security > performance, in 2020.
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• 1405[12:52:19] <EdePopede> ratrace: it just took minutes to only close firefox (after i've seen it uses 50+ RAM% again and parts of it were already gone) which also ended with a crash report.
• 1406[12:52:55] <EdePopede> years ago i had that package installed which checks for weird filenames and checksums binaries. was a horrible experience.
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• 1408[12:53:49] <EdePopede> just like in windows with the background scanner running during XP.
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• 1414[12:57:56] <mi11k1> ratrace now that I think about. im going to say at least 60-70% of the times ive followed documents or online tutorials it goes along the lines of "debian/ubuntu" than gives you directions on how to install a PPA.
• 1415[12:58:23] <ratrace> EdePopede: in firejail?
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• 1417[12:58:31] <mi11k1> ratrace i dont agree with it, but thats likely how I ended up learning how to deal with them. i avoid it unless im messing around
• 1418[12:58:39] <EdePopede> ratrace: no. bare metal.
• 1419[12:58:54] <ratrace> mi11k1: they're ubuntu "tutorials", and unfortunately they list debian in that too
• 1420[12:59:18] <EdePopede> i try to remember not to allow scripting over a longer period of time to see how it evolves, but most of the web isn't usable anymore without, it seems :/
• 1421[12:59:21] <ratrace> just because something is technically possible in some cases, does not mean it's correct thing to do, or it should be attempted at all
• 1422[12:59:38] <mi11k1> ratrace i agree with you
• 1423[13:00:08] <ratrace> EdePopede: are you having a swapstorm there? wat you describe sounds as if pages are pulled in from swap as firefox is cleaning up on shutdown
• 1424[13:00:10] <mi11k1> i was just pondering how i ended up understanding how they work and using them if i want.
• 1425[13:00:45] <ratrace> mi11k1: btw PPAs are really shunned even on Ubuntu, at least by official devs. That's why they invented snaps.
• 1426[13:01:16] <ratrace> PPAs regularly break ubuntu installations, especially on updates, and release upgrades are even asking you disable them completely
• 1427[13:01:20] <mi11k1> ya, i was just going to say, i dont run into tutorials so often now pointing that way
• 1428[13:01:48] <EdePopede> ratrace: definitely. it is 35% from the beginning, before i stopped firefox it was at about 55% already (often more). htop shows a 2/3 green line and 1.4GB swap used. rest of ram is filled up with cache.
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• 1430[13:02:18] <EdePopede> sometimes a close firefox only to get some ram back to avoid that amount of swapping during other operations
• 1431[13:02:48] <mi11k1> EdePopede restart? sorry didnt see earlier posts.
• 1432[13:03:23] <mi11k1> i have that happen when i have pages displaying RRD
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• 1434[13:03:34] <EdePopede> mi11k1: restarting is the windoze way to fix things :P
• 1435[13:03:36] <mi11k1> just hangs
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• 1437[13:03:51] <EdePopede> linux is fine so far, only gui stuff can be a horror
• 1438[13:04:07] <EdePopede> web browsers twice as much given what they have to handle
• 1439[13:04:11] <mi11k1> EdePopede i dont give windows that grace. i just tell it to stop\
• 1440[13:04:27] <mi11k1> EdePopede like what?
• 1441[13:04:27] <EdePopede> i don't even allow it to start!
• 1442[13:04:43] <mi11k1> i run it on KVM
• 1443[13:04:51] <mi11k1> still need it for some stuff
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• 1445[13:05:19] <EdePopede> got another pc which came used with a "free" (couldn't have it removed, so what) version of 10 home. the hdd isn't even attached, i need the space.
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• 1447[13:05:37] <mi11k1> ok
• 1448[13:05:52] <mi11k1> you have to hold shift when u pick reboot
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• 1450[13:05:59] <mi11k1> o r something of that nature
• 1451[13:06:17] <EdePopede> mi11k1: bloated websites with mostly useless JS which many times comes as complete framework, often even mixing some of them
• 1452[13:06:32] <mi11k1> so yer stuff hangs?
• 1453[13:06:36] <EdePopede> i don't reboot, i run debian
• 1454[13:06:48] <EdePopede> the only reason to reboot is kernel upgrade
• 1455[13:06:51] <mi11k1> to wipe windows i meant
• 1456[13:07:15] <mi11k1> i reboot when i trip over the cord
• 1457[13:07:38] <mi11k1> or bamboozled by open windows
• 1458[13:07:43] <EdePopede> ah that. sure. knew someone who then tried to keep her xp running after hearing of my uptimes. rebooted after half a week with a system already slowly becoming unresponsive :D
• 1459[13:08:02] <ratrace> EdePopede: you can observe vmstat (give it say 1s delay) when you shut down FF and see if there are any "si" numbers (swap in, ie. page in from disk)
• 1460[13:08:07] <mi11k1> what \s yer primary language?
• 1461[13:08:12] <mi11k1> you speak
• 1462[13:08:26] <EdePopede> i even restart my browser less often than windows in the past.
• 1463[13:08:49] <mi11k1> are u one of those guys?
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• 1466[13:09:25] <mi11k1> what is it a 486
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• 1468[13:09:31] <EdePopede> ratrace: thanks, will look for it later. let me have it running for a while and then i'll give it a try. not waiting until the next "regular" restart, i'd forget it for sure
• 1469[13:09:38] <mi11k1> i hope u have at leat 64meg ram in that thing
• 1470[13:09:48] <EdePopede> lol wut?
• 1471[13:09:53] <EdePopede> ah meg
• 1472[13:09:57] <EdePopede> not gig
• 1473[13:10:02] <mi11k1> what kind of problem is this?
• 1474[13:10:12] <mi11k1> use chrome
• 1475[13:10:33] <mi11k1> theres some tweaks about stuff running in background
• 1476[13:10:34] <EdePopede> because devs seem to assume that you have at least 64 or at least 32 gb nowadays by looking what they produce
• 1477[13:10:52] <mi11k1> so, how many websites do u have open?
• 1478[13:10:54] <joepublic> this workstation has 64GB, sure
• 1479[13:10:54] <EdePopede> chrome, u serious?
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• 1481[13:10:59] <EdePopede> the google crap?
• 1482[13:11:09] <EdePopede> the shit the electron bloatware is based on?
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• 1484[13:11:30] <mi11k1> i take chrome anyday
• 1485[13:11:35] <ratrace> chrome is even bigger RAM eater
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• 1487[13:12:02] <mi11k1> i find it way faster, plus it hold my life
• 1488[13:12:09] <EdePopede> mi11k1: shouldn't matter. only the foreground tab is loaded per default nowadays and in the main window i switch to a pinned tab anyway before i close it
• 1489[13:12:43] <mi11k1> run it from commandline and get someouput
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• 1491[13:13:16] <EdePopede> exactly what i'm doing for years
• 1492[13:13:40] <EdePopede> not that i could interprete its cryptic messages
• 1493[13:13:47] <mi11k1> lol
• 1494[13:14:16] <mi11k1> walkme through, open browser, open 50 pages, only viewing 1 and hangs?
• 1495[13:14:34] <EdePopede> and if they're not, they're obvious. like "sth took too long during some operation which seems to be application shutdown" or such
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• 1497[13:15:07] <mi11k1> i get it, yer a bot right?
• 1498[13:15:10] <EdePopede> if i allow twitter its scripts, than it may happen for some time, indeed
• 1499[13:15:19] <EdePopede> call me Eliza
• 1500[13:15:23] <mi11k1> henry
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• 1502[13:16:04] <mi11k1> here, replaced-url
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• 1504[13:17:17] <mi11k1> some interesting little tidbits in there
• 1505[13:18:21] <mi11k1> or stop running simu speedtests
• 1506[13:18:34] <mi11k1> a lot of ppl seem to like the speedtests.
• 1507[13:18:48] <mi11k1> especially to benchmark their wifi
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• 1514[13:25:14] <EdePopede> "a lot of ppl" is just a variant of "anyone", so mostly noise with no content
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• 1516[13:26:19] <EdePopede> if i want to test my connection i download some blob of random binary data
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• 1527[13:31:50] <sadtaco> I keep having a problem on my server with it generating gigabytes of logs overnight. How can I make logrotate more aggressive or something so the disk doesn't get filled up?
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• 1531[13:33:50] <jm_> sadtaco: check logroate config for given file, see how it's configured
• 1532[13:34:23] <jm_> but nothing happens on less than daily basis, unless you add your own cron configs for it
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• 1534[13:34:29] <ratrace> logrotate does daily jobs. you can force it with -f which is then a custom invocation, which you can do for your specific files that get filled up fast
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• 1536[13:35:02] <ratrace> so you can have a custom cronjob for logrotate with -f and with specific files as argument to it
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• 1547[13:42:06] <tds> you shouldn't need to use -f - just an hourly schedule and a cron job to run hourly would do
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• 1561[13:56:43] <sadtaco> it's daemon.log and syslog.log that are so large.
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• 1566[14:01:04] <sadtaco> I did logrotate -vf /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog and it didn't seem to free up any space
• 1567[14:02:43] <sadtaco> and /etc/logrotate.d/ doesn't seem to have a config for rotating /var/log/daemon
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• 1570[14:05:17] <de-facto> hmm how do i undo exaclty the last apt install ?
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• 1572[14:05:42] <sadtaco> oh it was a rotated file that was huge...
• 1573[14:06:02] <tds> you may need to run it a couple of times to get the log to be compressed by logrotate
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• 1617[14:42:28] <NetTerminalGene> hey, do you guys enable DoH feature in firefox esr?
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• 1623[14:45:38] <joepublic> What's DoH?
• 1624[14:46:48] <colo-work> DNS over HTTPS
• 1625[14:47:00] <joepublic> oh. I'm for that.
• 1626[14:47:09] <colo-work> which would be fine, if the endpoints you'd have to trust weren't operated by the likes of Cloudflare
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• 1628[14:47:26] <colo-work> ("trust" as in "share your query history with them")
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• 1634[14:51:37] <ksk> this. I dont see the benefits if CF servers are preselected :X
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• 1647[14:55:55] <deadrom> hi all
• 1648[14:57:22] <deadrom> moved boot root home from raid1 set onto a single SSD, adapted the UUIDs in fstab, chroot'ed to mounted root with related /boot mounted in there, bind-mounted proc sys dev, ran grub-mkdevicemap and update-grub2. so far, so good.
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• 1650[14:58:26] <deadrom> update-grub2, though says "grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1. Check your device.map." - this drive is sda right now (I booted a live usb system for this)
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• 1653[14:59:12] <deadrom> replaced-url
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• 1663[15:02:25] <deadrom> replaced-url
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• 1676[15:09:02] <deadrom> I wonder what refers to sdb in the first place. that's the usb stick I booted from. should be ignored anyway.
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• 1682[15:12:01] <tomreyn> is this on jessie?
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• 1684[15:12:19] <tomreyn> linux 3.16.0 is pretty old.
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• 1686[15:13:49] <tomreyn> does fstab refer to sdb1?
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• 1728[15:32:26] <raidghost> What is needed to be installed to make debian find phone connected with usb ?
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• 1731[15:32:38] <raidghost> ive installed mtp-detect but it says no raw devices found
• 1732[15:34:49] <tdn> I am trying to build a package with my python apps. I get this error from dh-python: "E: dh_python2 dh_python2:408: no package to act on (python-foo or one with ${python:Depends} in Depends)" I have no idea why this error occurs or how to fix it.
• 1733[15:35:15] <tdn> I did not really change anything significant in the actual app that is being built.
• 1734[15:35:28] <tdn> The message seems to come from line 408 in this file: replaced-url
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• 1739[15:37:30] <deadrom> tomreyn: eh, yes, this is jessie. just before I finally went to upgrading the raid decided it was time to retire both disks, I got one doing extra hours but don't want to continue using it obviously
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• 1743[15:39:29] <tomreyn> deadrom: hmm, well, see if sdb is in fstab, crypttab (which you probably dont have), lvm.conf or anywhere in /etc, i guess
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• 1745[15:42:27] <themill> tdn: it means there's no package that looks like a python module package based on what is in d/control
• 1746[15:43:59] <tdn> themill, so does it mean that my app was not built for some reason?
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• 1748[15:45:10] <deadrom> tomreyn: hmm, one odd entry in /etc/apparmor.d for thunderbird. that should not interfere with grub I guess?
• 1749[15:46:24] <themill> tdn: can you pastebin d/control?
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• 1752[15:47:37] <tdn> themill, replaced-url
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• 1754[15:48:22] <tomreyn> deadrom: most likely not. about "nssdb", i assume?
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• 1756[15:48:48] <tomreyn> if so, that's unrelated
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• 1758[15:51:19] <themill> tdn: dh_python2 is expecting to get some hints about what packages it should act on. It uses a ${python:Depends} in the Depends line as one way of doing that. It looks for python-foo as the package name too, since that's the normal way of packaging modules
• 1759[15:51:19] <deadrom> tomreyn: nah, something about storage.
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• 1761[15:52:00] <deadrom> owner @{HOME}/.{icedove,thunderbird}/**/storage.sdb k,
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• 1763[15:53:46] <tomreyn> deadrom: oh, that's a thunderbird specific file extension, still unrelated.
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• 1765[15:55:14] <tomreyn> i generally prefer UUIDs since they always point to the right file systems, indepedantly of which bios device names were assigned to drives
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• 1767[15:55:48] <tdn> themill, the only thing I have changed is that I have removed "python-beautifulsoup" from this line: "Depends: debconf, spye (>= 3.4.7), dh-python, python-psycopg2, python-pexpect, subversion, sudo, python-html5lib, python-beautifulsoup" and then added the line "Recommends: python-beautifulsoup" instead.
• 1768[15:56:03] <deadrom> tomreyn: boots now. I rebuilt the initrd and reinstalled / updated grub from chroot. not sure which one did the trick but it's showtime
• 1769[15:56:48] <tomreyn> deadrom: the initrd probably, now that you mentioned it i notice you hadn't mentioed it earlier
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• 1800[16:13:32] <`MUD`> XL!
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• 1803[16:14:22] <MyKymba> hello sirs
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• 1806[16:14:48] <MyKymba> kindly, i just need some heads up regarding my enquiry.
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• 1808[16:15:22] <MyKymba> my question has to do with dns servers
• 1809[16:15:31] <MyKymba> is there anyone that can help me out
• 1810[16:15:37] <greycat> Just ASK the question.
• 1811[16:15:42] <MyKymba> ok
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• 1813[16:17:35] <MyKymba> In a windows environment, a dns server has a gui to add IP pools and create and modify PTR records, I have setup my dns server, etc., so im wondering if there is any linux software/gui I can use to add/modify and edit prt records
• 1814[16:17:54] <MyKymba> I mean PRT records
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• 1818[16:18:46] <MyKymba> For example, if I want to add x.x.x.0/24 .... PTR records for every IP in the pool.
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• 1820[16:19:10] <greycat> What DNS server software are you using? Write a shell script or python script or whatever to spit out the zone file.
• 1821[16:19:33] <greycat> In whatever format your DNS software wants.
• 1822[16:19:34] <MyKymba> I just followed online tutorials, installed bind9, etc
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• 1825[16:20:52] <greycat> for i in {1..254}; do printf '%d\tIN\tPTR\tx-%d.my.domain.\n' "$i" "$i"; done
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• 1827[16:21:28] <MyKymba> @greycat,...thanks.
• 1828[16:21:37] <greycat> Add the appropriate $TTL and SOA stuff on top of that.
• 1829[16:21:51] <mitrax> hello, is there a reason why e.g: ip addr add ipv6_addr/64 dev eth0 label eth0:blah doesn't seem to assign a label for an ipv6 address although it does for ipv4? ip addr shows the added address but with no label
• 1830[16:22:14] <ksk> MyKymba: bind9 also supports so-called "generates" for listing-style of stuff
• 1831[16:22:33] <MyKymba> @ksk... thanks, will investigate that
• 1832[16:22:54] <MyKymba> Is there any tool / software, that could make such a task easier, something that could run off a browser, etc
• 1833[16:23:24] <MyKymba> like a control panel. I would like non-techies to be able to administer it.
• 1834[16:23:29] <hassoon[work]> 'evening
• 1835[16:25:04] <BCMM> MyKymba: are you thinking of something somewhat comprehensive like CPanel, or something just for editing the zonefile?
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• 1838[16:25:28] <MyKymba> @BCM..... yes something comprehensive,
• 1839[16:25:30] <hassoon[work]> cpanel? isn't that for php ?
• 1840[16:25:33] <ksk> MyKymba: "apt-cache search bind9 web" indicates there is nothing in the debian repos. I suppose panels like plesk (or whatever it is called nowadays) will have such features.
• 1841[16:25:40] <BCMM> hassoon[work]: it's *written in* PHP
• 1842[16:25:40] <hassoon[work]> e.g made for php
• 1843[16:25:45] <BCMM> uh no sorry, written in perl
• 1844[16:25:55] <hassoon[work]> BCMM: ah that's like phpmyadmin no ?
• 1845[16:25:56] <greycat> If someone's using cpanel, then my answers probably went *zoom* right over their head.
• 1846[16:26:00] <deadrom> tomreyn: quest continues... boots to emergency, logs say cannot start /bin/plymouth because it's not there (it really isn't - that's part of systemd?) and I don't have ethernet because that rtl8169 obviously is the one jessie can't stomach. of course I have no us-ethernet or pcie eth card lying around
• 1847[16:26:03] <hassoon[work]> BCMM: ahah
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• 1864[16:27:12] <BCMM> hassoon[work]: anyway, cpanel does a lot of things. it's a proprietary application usually used by people who sell web hosting, and it's supposed to allow their users to do just about anything. installing php packages is one of the things it does, but it also configures mails, DNS, etc.
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• 1868[16:27:35] <BCMM> i just mentioned it because it's the one everybody has heard of
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• 1875[16:28:07] <MyKymba> @BCMM.. no im not selling webhosting, .
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• 1879[16:28:20] <deadrom> any way to have wifi in deb jessie rescue?
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• 1882[16:28:57] <hassoon[work]> BCMM: seems like a web-based backoffice management software
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• 1884[16:29:10] <BCMM> MyKymba: have a look at replaced-url
• 1885[16:29:20] <BCMM> i don't have the personal experience to recommend any of them specifically
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• 1887[16:29:34] <MyKymba> @BCMM... thanks
• 1888[16:29:43] <BCMM> also note that an interface is just an interface - you still need to understand what's actually going on with your DNS
• 1889[16:29:58] <MyKymba> @BCMM... yes ofcourse
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• 1895[16:32:24] <BCMM> i don't know what else you're doing with the system, so i don't know how much of that is actually relevant
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• 1897[16:33:22] <MyKymba> @BCMM...... its just a DNS server, plain and simple. Just like in a windows-server environment
• 1898[16:33:33] <greycat> There is nothing "plain and simple" here.
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• 1900[16:33:42] <BCMM> honestly it seems entirely overkill to have a GUI
• 1901[16:33:53] <greycat> I don't know what you're used to in "Windows server" because I've never used one of them, but it sounds like a nightmare to me.
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• 1905[16:34:34] <greycat> bind9 serves up DNS zones based on the contents of text files that you, the administrator, create and maintain. However you see fit.
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• 1907[16:35:00] <MyKymba> @greycat..... I meant "no other use" of the server except as a dns server
• 1908[16:35:09] <greycat> Unix provides an incredibly wide variety of tools for dealing with text files, from interactive editors, to shell tools, to programming languages.
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• 1910[16:35:39] <BCMM> greycat: think, like, connecting over RDP to open a Microsoft Management Console window, just to make a little change to DNS...
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• 1913[16:36:12] <greycat> "So I ssh in and then cd to... wait, what?!"
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• 1916[16:37:04] <BCMM> (hoping you have enough experience of desktop windows to appreciate how bad that is)
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• 1930[16:44:22] <jelly> MyKymba: is it a recursing dns server or an authoritative dns server?
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• 1935[16:45:04] <jelly> those are two distinct functions, and it's only bind that keeps them together by default
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• 1937[16:45:43] <MyKymba> @jelly..... recursive
• 1938[16:45:55] <greycat> it should also be pointed out that bind9 (or BIND in general) is the most complex choice, and one that a lot of people avoid if they get to pick
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• 1941[16:46:39] <MyKymba> @greycat.... ow really. What other dns software can one use then, in a linux env
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• 1944[16:47:19] <jelly> MyKymba: unbound or pdns-recursor
• 1945[16:47:34] <BCMM> for simple setups, dnsmasq is dead easy
• 1946[16:47:56] <greycat> googling "list of dns server software" gives me BIND, PowerDNS, dnsmasq, and Unbound right away. I'm also using djbdns in a few places.
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• 1948[16:48:25] <jelly> I replaced almost all djbdns with pdns-server and pdns-recursor
• 1949[16:48:29] <MyKymba> thanks, guys,
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• 1952[16:48:50] <jelly> autoritative pdns-server can use djbdns data.cdb as-is
• 1953[16:49:07] <jelly> which is nice
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• 1968[16:57:29] <MyKymba> thanks for the help guys, will be back to give an update.
• 1969[16:57:31] <MyKymba> bye
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• 1987[17:08:58] <bonok> Hello! Can someone please highlight me?
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• 1991[17:09:17] <joepublic> hello bonok.
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• 1993[17:09:50] <bonok> joepublic, thank you a lot! One more, last time please.
• 1994[17:10:02] <joepublic> bonok, if you wish
• 1995[17:10:14] <jhutchins_wk> bonok: Or this format.
• 1996[17:10:27] <bonok> THank you. So, gnome is not able to show notifications badges at activities panel, right? :)
• 1997[17:11:03] <joepublic> you are looking for messages tagged "bonok" to show up as notifications? interesting.
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• 2011[17:20:59] <djoe-x> How to get rid of this? "WARNING: Filesystem encoding is set to ASCII or Latin1, using UTF-8 instead"
• 2012[17:22:35] <joepublic> get rid of it from where?
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• 2017[17:27:57] <greycat> I googled the message, and two of the first three results point to something called "zim".
• 2018[17:28:24] <joepublic> so you've taken to guessing use cases now? :)
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• 2030[17:30:59] <greycat> according to apt-cache show, "Zim is a graphical text editor used to maintain a collection of wiki pages."
• 2031[17:31:00] <djoe-x> hmm.. forget it.. I have somehow messed up the locales. that is right, it is zim.
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• 2043[17:34:47] <PaddyF> i am sorry. i tried hard to move to discord. its impossible :(
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• 2048[17:37:52] <TyZef_> Hi guys! How you do in? From Debian I am trying to put InkScape in French but │ AntumDeluge
• 2049[17:37:55] <TyZef_> │ | no succes... Can it be from InkScape or Debian?
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• 2051[17:38:24] <TyZef_> From Debian I am trying to put InkScape in French but │ AntumDeluge
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• 2053[17:39:00] <TyZef_> Hi guys ! How you do in?
• 2054[17:39:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1562
• 2055[17:39:37] <TyZef_> oops eror from me sorry for the double poat
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• 2057[17:40:47] <jhutchins_wk> !fr
• 2058[17:40:48] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. - debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
• 2059[17:41:17] <jhutchins_wk> TyZef_: The language-specific channels are often pretty vacant, but they might know somethng specific to that.
• 2060[17:41:20] <jhutchins_wk> !inkscape
• 2061[17:41:20] <dpkg> Inkscape is an open source vector graphics editor forked from Sodipodi, with capabilities similar to Illustrator, CorelDraw and Xara X. This program uses the W3C Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) file format. replaced-url
• 2062[17:41:51] <greycat> Maybe they're just trying to set their login session's locale?
• 2063[17:41:52] <greycat> !locale
• 2064[17:41:52] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
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• 2074[17:49:06] <de-facto> TyZef_ you can see your installed locales with "locale" in terminal, if you found your french one installed you can set ENV before launching inkscape like "LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 inkscape" if your system locale would not default to that
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• 2077[17:49:44] <greycat> well, "locale" shows you your current locale... "locale -a" shows all of the available ones.
• 2078[17:49:57] <de-facto> yes of course :D
• 2079[17:50:07] <greycat> fr_FR might not be generated, so they might have to do "dpkg-reconfigure locales" first
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• 2082[17:52:47] <de-facto> TyZef_, if you want to launch it always with another locale you can copy /usr/share/applications/inkscape.desktop to your users ${HOME}/.local/share/applications/ and edit the Exec= lines in there (this will shadow the system .desktop for that user)
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• 2086[17:53:24] <de-facto> if you remove it it will launch the one from system as before
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• 2096[18:01:15] <tharkun> Good $DAY, yesterday I asked for help regarding a wifi card that required some special firmware to run. I have tried to download it and I got this replaced-url
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• 2098[18:02:02] <de-facto> that link is broken
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• 2100[18:02:27] <de-facto> whats the hardware?
• 2101[18:02:36] <tharkun> Also I had been asked to use shutdown -h now or poweroff to see if the xfce shutdown sequence had any misconfiguration as to not turn the laptop off. I tried both and both ended up the same as xfce sequence. How can I debug this.
• 2102[18:03:13] <tharkun> de-facto: That link was called by apt-get install firmware-b43-installer.
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• 2106[18:03:40] <tharkun> de-facto: 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
• 2107[18:04:41] <tharkun> Anyway, what are my next steps regarding this sturdy little wifi card?
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• 2109[18:05:09] <tharkun> How can I debug the shutdown sequence of this laptop on Debian 10?
• 2110[18:05:10] <jelly> !BCM4312
• 2111[18:05:10] <dpkg> The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. replaced-url
• 2112[18:05:20] <de-facto> tharkun, its from the postinst script in there
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• 2114[18:05:41] <jelly> oh that thing
• 2115[18:05:42] <de-facto> it should download replaced-url
• 2116[18:05:47] <greycat> so wait, the BCM4312 has PCI ID 4315, and the BCM4311 has PCI ID 4312 ...?
• 2117[18:05:51] <b1ack0p> how can i install wine on deb?
• 2118[18:06:13] <jelly> greycat: that's not the wurst thing broadcom's done so far
• 2119[18:06:20] <jelly> ,v wine
• 2120[18:06:21] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; bullseye: 5.0-3; sid: 5.0-3
• 2121[18:06:25] <greycat> is this... *intentional*? just to screw with everyone?
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• 2123[18:07:39] <tharkun> What about the turn off sequence? This is a dell precision m2400 which is not a new computer but it does get the work done.
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• 2125[18:08:06] <TyZef_> thank you de-facto, I will check toward your guidelines...
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• 2127[18:09:03] <de-facto> tharkun, the postinst script inside firmware-b43-installer looks like this replaced-url
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• 2131[18:10:44] <de-facto> it claims to support BCM4312 (with Low-Power a.k.a. LP-PHY)
• 2132[18:10:53] <b1ack0p> i installed wine but cant find it in apps
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• 2135[18:11:42] <de-facto> did you try to install firmware-b43-installer from terminal and look at its output?
• 2136[18:12:04] <tharkun> de-facto: Any alternative source for that file, I still get permission denied?
• 2137[18:12:25] <tharkun> de-facto: Yes
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• 2139[18:12:40] <de-facto> whats the output of the failed install?
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• 2141[18:13:27] <tharkun> It ended up with Permission denied. I did not take note (too fast to read) of the final output.
• 2142[18:13:43] <de-facto> hmm did you run it with root perms?
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• 2144[18:13:49] <tharkun> su -
• 2145[18:14:03] <de-facto> like "sudo apt install firmware-b43-installer"
• 2146[18:14:19] <tharkun> Yes
• 2147[18:14:29] <de-facto> show us the log of that i guess
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• 2149[18:15:39] <tharkun> hmmm, that will take me some time, the backup is taking place right now and it is a 100Gb to move to the external hdd. Then the change hdd dance and move the files back.
• 2150[18:16:15] <tharkun> Although I will be posting the relevant parts on a pastebin of your preference.
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• 2156[18:17:21] <de-facto> sudo sh -c "apt install firmware-b43-installer" | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 2159[18:17:55] <de-facto> needs a netcat and gives you a link for the output paste
• 2160[18:18:17] <tharkun> de-facto: Why do you use sudo and not su? (Genuine curiosity)
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• 2162[18:18:53] <de-facto> idk i dont like su, both should work
• 2163[18:19:35] <tharkun> Both do, everyone its own venom.
• 2164[18:19:46] <de-facto> yup
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• 2168[18:22:11] <de-facto> my newest fav is setpriv :D
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• 2170[18:22:41] <tharkun> No manual entry for setpriv rotfl
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• 2172[18:23:39] <de-facto> replaced-url
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• 2175[18:24:28] <radkos> hello
• 2176[18:25:00] <radkos> I'm trying to create my own debian installation with preseed but it seems the install media uses isolinux configs - I would rather use grub.cfg
• 2177[18:25:04] <radkos> how can I switch to it?
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• 2181[18:26:57] <radkos> do I need to rebuild the initramfs?
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• 2326[19:49:12] <FozzWorth> Is there a location in my home directory where I can add/remove taskbar launcher icons in Plasma? I upgraded from Stretch to Buster and have a couple icons that have gone blank. They still work, but they don't have an "unpin" option like the others do.
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• 2328[19:51:36] <mi11k18> FozzWorth can u just make a new one?
• 2329[19:51:56] <mi11k18> FozzWorth i kkinda know what u mean, but not quite
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• 2331[19:52:20] <mi11k18> look in /home/user/.config maybe?
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• 2351[20:04:44] <FozzWorth> mi11k18: I found what I thought were the right .desktop files in ~/.local/share/plasma_icons/ but deleting those doesn't seem to have any effect
• 2352[20:04:56] <FozzWorth> I'll poke around .config thanks
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• 2355[20:05:17] <mi11k18> thers global ones too
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• 2357[20:05:30] <mi11k18> in /usr/local or something
• 2358[20:05:37] <mi11k18> do a search
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• 2366[20:08:00] <Jemt> Hi. I have a server running Debian 10. It started as a Debian 7 server. Today I found that a software package I use failed because it was unable to determine whether postfix is installed or not using `which`. It turned out the postfix binary is located in /usr/sbin which is not in my $PATH. In fact, usr/local/sbin and /sbin is also missing from
• 2367[20:08:01] <Jemt> $PATH. Is it safe to add those paths to $PATH or is there something I need to do/check first ?
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• 2370[20:08:16] <greycat> !buster su
• 2371[20:08:16] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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• 2373[20:08:55] <Jemt> OMG, greycat. That's it!
• 2374[20:09:00] <Jemt> Thank you so much!
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• 2398[20:28:08] <deadrom> tomreyn: completing the story: popped the ssd back in the server from the experimental system and lo and behold, boots just fine.
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• 2406[20:30:46] <Whyvn> hello, I used to have access to /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1 and BAT0 but now I only BAT0 is found now, what could cause my second battery to not be found?
• 2407[20:31:00] <Whyvn> this is a laptop
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• 2412[20:36:06] <diogenes_> Whyvn, is upower service running?
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• 2421[20:39:34] <Whyvn> diogenes_: I guess, i do not have that package installed I will install it to see if it changes anything
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• 2423[20:40:54] <GenTooMan> any suggestions for using rust in debian?
• 2424[20:41:23] <BCMM> GenTooMan: is there a problem, or just, general advice?
• 2425[20:41:36] <greycat> "apt-cache search --names-only rust" gives me some likely-looking package names
• 2426[20:41:42] <jelly> ,v rustc
• 2427[20:41:43] <judd> Package: rustc on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.34.2+dfsg1-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1.34.2+dfsg1-1~deb9u1; buster: 1.34.2+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 1.40.0+dfsg1-5; sid: 1.40.0+dfsg1-5
• 2428[20:42:03] <greycat> "apt-cache search --names-only rust | grep -v ^lib" even better
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• 2449[20:53:53] <GenTooMan> hmm standard operating procedure for installing rust is not the same as installing it on debian. Updating rust using rustup update can't happen (because rust up isn't installed with buster) it seems some rust developers update what version of rust they are using (like a bad habit). Hence what makes sense is a bit more challenging in the case of debian.
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• 2454[20:57:41] <jelly> you'd have to install it separately from the package management system, then
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• 2456[20:58:05] <GenTooMan> kind of thought that would be the case.
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• 2458[20:58:48] <jelly> debian typically does not manage integration of every crazy reinvented upstream update process
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• 2461[21:00:05] <greycat> The point of a stable release is that your toolchain *doesn't* change every 2 weeks.
• 2462[21:00:18] <greycat> You install the version of rust that's in buster, and you use it.
• 2463[21:00:25] <GNU\colossus> but where's the FUN in that?
• 2464[21:00:34] <greycat> You get to do other things!
• 2465[21:00:36] <GNU\colossus> and imagine all the ensuing developer productivity...
• 2466[21:00:49] <GNU\colossus> reinventing build systems by the dozen
• 2467[21:00:57] <GNU\colossus> everyone gets to have their own!
• 2468[21:00:58] <greycat> You don't have to spend your entire life rewriting your code to track a shifting API.
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• 2470[21:01:36] <GNU\colossus> pfff, that's not what you're supposed to do anyway! you "npm install" once, then write your little piece of app, and throw it away after 3 months tops.
• 2471[21:01:54] <jelly> <GNU\colossus> everyone gets to have their own! # this is literally what happens with each language that has a rich library
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• 2474[21:02:55] <GNU\colossus> jelly, a library of what? or do you mean a rich stdlib? because in that case, I'm kinda confused by the statement :)
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• 2476[21:03:29] <greycat> GNU\colossus: remember the apt-cache search commands I showed earlier? Try the one *without* grep -v ^lib
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• 2478[21:03:58] <greycat> There's a jaw-dropping number of lib*rust* packages for some reason.
• 2479[21:04:39] <GNU\colossus> I'm *kinda* aware of the madness that's going on
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• 2481[21:05:11] <GNU\colossus> I think rust has a number of very interesting features and characteristics, and I can see why you need to reimplement a lot of stuff in it to reap all its potential benefits
• 2482[21:05:24] <GNU\colossus> but afair, it requires executables to be statically linked for that :(
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• 2484[21:06:00] <GNU\colossus> which is kind of a no-go for me personally, and I hope will be done away with after the container-craze has toppled over
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• 2488[21:07:32] <jelly> do not look at Go then
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• 2496[21:13:35] <GNU\colossus> jelly, I'm aware, yes ;)
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• 2498[21:14:22] <GNU\colossus> I can see that esp. with something like Google internally, Go shines. everything gets vendored anyway, and the build infra just rebuilds _everything_ from their monorepo when a dep changes. but for the rest of the world, that's just not sane.
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• 2500[21:14:42] <GNU\colossus> we have (actually, used to have) a number of small tools for internal use that were authored in golang in 2014.
• 2501[21:15:11] <GNU\colossus> tried to rebuild them in 2017 - if we hadn't kept an archival copy of the original author's machine, we wouldn't have been able to
• 2502[21:15:27] <GNU\colossus> the build env hooking into random github repos that were gone etc.
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• 2505[21:17:17] <jelly> that is... completely unsurprising. And now I'm sad.
• 2506[21:17:54] <greycat> and it could all have been done in a couple hundred lines of python or tcl, I bet
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• 2508[21:18:02] <Lyma> hi!
• 2509[21:18:33] <Lyma> i want deploy a public debian mirror ... i need help
• 2510[21:18:50] <Lyma> any tutorial or scripts for this?
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• 2519[21:23:32] <jelly> !own mirror
• 2520[21:23:32] <dpkg> There are lots of tools for making your own copy of a mirror but before you do, make sure that a cache (like <apt-cacher-ng>) wouldn't make a better choice. Ask me about <debmirror>, <ftpsync>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
• 2521[21:23:38] <jelly> !ftpsync
• 2522[21:23:39] <dpkg> ftpsync is a non-packaged scriptset for creating a Debian archive mirror. replaced-url
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• 2525[21:24:00] <jelly> also
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• 2527[21:24:03] <jelly> !mirror size
• 2528[21:24:04] <dpkg> To see the size of the Debian archive for each architecture, see replaced-url
• 2529[21:24:22] <jelly> (close to a round 1 TB right now)
• 2530[21:24:33] <jelly> (without dbgsym)
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• 2534[21:25:07] <jelly> 3TB is _with_ dbgsym I think
• 2535[21:26:05] <GNU\colossus> greycat, they were eventually reimplemented in Perl 5 (the lingua franca at my soon-to-be-ex shop)
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• 2539[21:29:23] <greycat> fair.
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• 2550[21:38:57] <jhutchins_wk> ,v calibre
• 2551[21:38:58] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 3.39.1+dfsg-3~bpo9+1; buster: 3.39.1+dfsg-3; buster-backports: 3.48.0+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 4.99.4+dfsg+really4.10.0+py3-2; sid: 4.99.4+dfsg+really4.11.1-1; sid: 4.99.4+dfsg+really4.11.2-1
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• 2556[21:39:55] <joepublic> 4.99-realy-something-else?
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• 2559[21:41:40] <jhutchins_wk> Huh, yeah. Wonder why? 4.11 is the lates for Mac.
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• 2561[21:41:46] <jhutchins_wk> latest
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• 2588[21:57:53] <terr_> I installed kvm (stretch) and I see it replaced initrd. Kernel is the same. This CPU is an N270 and does NOT have vmx instrucitons. Hense - I know kvm will not run... and it doesn't have to in this machine. My question... should I worry about the machine being able to boot? Will KVM INSTALL have changed the boot sequence to automatically load and if so - what if the processor doesn't support kvm?
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• 2590[21:58:26] <greycat> It probably just added kernel modules to the initrd.
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• 2611[22:14:17] <tdn> themill, do you see any errors in the control file I pasted? Any idea why dh_python2 is acting out?
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• 2614[22:15:25] <deadrom> I can't find the aptitude status letter codes. what is "C"?
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• 2616[22:16:33] <greycat> the man page says "For a complete list of the possible state and action flags, see the section “Accessing Package Information” in the aptitude reference guide."
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• 2620[22:17:28] <greycat> the next trick will be to figure out where in the bloody hell the "aptitude reference guide" is
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• 2622[22:17:52] <greycat> are you sure it's a capital "C" and not a lower-case "c"?
• 2623[22:19:34] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2628[22:22:01] <deadrom> yes. got it. half-configured. won't go through. aftereffect of a recovery, there is a file missing i think. cannot make debian re-install it though, "E: Internal Error, No file name for nfs-common:amd64"
• 2629[22:22:48] <deadrom> interwebs suggest dpkg-reconfigure -a
• 2630[22:23:15] <deadrom> but that won't fix if really a fiel is missing
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• 2635[22:24:09] <deadrom> eeeh dpkg -configure -a not re-configure
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• 2637[22:25:51] <greycat> this might be the part where you actually *run* that, and post the full output somewhere if you can't figure out what's missing by reading it yourself
• 2638[22:26:21] <greycat> another useful approach is to google your error message
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• 2645[22:30:42] <deadrom> I'm at it...
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• 2651[22:31:51] <deadrom> replaced-url
• 2652[22:32:12] <greycat> does that mean "I read it and couldn't figure it out", or "I don't want to read it, you do it for me"
• 2653[22:32:32] <deadrom> replaced-url
• 2654[22:32:48] <deadrom> if I could solve it myself I wouldn't ask here
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• 2658[22:34:25] <greycat> I don't see "E: Internal Error, No file name for nfs-common:amd64" in either of these
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• 2664[22:37:25] <greycat> it appears similar to replaced-url
• 2665[22:37:47] <deadrom> greycat: I posted the follow-ups of course, not what I already told above
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• 2668[22:38:53] <greycat> my first thought would be to purge and reinstall the package, doing whatever voodoo is necessary to allow it to be purged (replacing daemons with symlinks to /bin/true, putting exit 0 in shell scripts...)
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• 2683[22:47:19] <deadrom> hm. extract missing files from deb an option?
• 2684[22:47:28] <greycat> did you *find* a missing file?
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• 2686[22:48:09] <greycat> purge-and-reinstall is a brute force approach that one uses when one *can't* figure out what the actual issue is... if you can figure out the issue, just fix it
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• 2689[22:48:37] <deadrom> there where various I/O errors when I recovered the disk. to be honest I don't know.
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• 2691[22:48:45] <greycat> O_o
• 2692[22:48:52] <greycat> so there could be CORRUPT files?!
• 2693[22:48:57] <deadrom> am at side quest 1 right now, stuck in "Loading operating system ..."
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• 2696[22:50:06] <deadrom> yes, could be. I deleted all that would not transfer completely. it wasn't that many and mostly in home where it is not an issue, I think even in /var nothing was affected
• 2697[22:50:35] <deadrom> and yes, the proper approach is save data reinstall OS, I just needed it back online for the moment, proper upgrade is queued
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• 2699[22:50:46] <greycat> if any file, anywhere, could be corrupt, then purging and reinstalling becomes a much higher priority
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• 2707[22:54:24] <pgjrfgpi> Someone ? I don't see any message do it work ?
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• 2709[22:54:53] <greycat> pgjrfgpi: this is the first thing you've said
• 2710[22:55:32] <pgjrfgpi> Yes but we are 1500 and I don't see anyone talk
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• 2716[22:58:59] <terr_> greycat, I just saw your comment... that is what I'm hoping. I'll know when I try to boot it.
• 2717[22:59:41] <terr_> greycat, I like your name... greycotton was my grandfather's cat.
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• 2719[23:00:24] <terr_> greycat, why put the modules in initrd? sure they can be loaded during boot... is initrd even used after the boot is complete?
• 2720[23:01:12] <greycat> I'm not the best person to ask. One reason is because the modules are *used* during the early boot stages, e.g. to permit the kernel to mount other file systems.
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• 2725[23:03:00] <terr_> greycat, ya-- and a VM would need to load at boot time in some cases. I'm just wondering. If the system boots on an N270 then I'm happy. kvm will not run on an N270 - but this media will also be used to boot an I5 and other systems
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• 2755[23:20:46] <themill> tdn: this looks like some pretty old code. Would it be sufficiently old that it has changed from using dh_pysupport to dh_python2 since last rebuilt? Do you have old build logs?
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• 2760[23:24:22] <moaker> why does my damn connection keep getting disconnected
• 2761[23:24:25] <moaker> what the actuual fuck
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• 2771[23:32:28] <deadrom> whew, solved... replaced-url
• 2772[23:32:29] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2775[23:34:13] <deadrom> I guess that's not of much relevance today, but for completeness. now do things, backups and plan upgrade...
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• 2807[23:58:02] <jhutchins> ,v calibre
• 2808[23:58:03] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 3.39.1+dfsg-3~bpo9+1; buster: 3.39.1+dfsg-3; buster-backports: 3.48.0+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 4.99.4+dfsg+really4.10.0+py3-2; sid: 4.99.4+dfsg+really4.11.1-1; sid: 4.99.4+dfsg+really4.11.2-1
• 2809[23:58:15] <jhutchins> any idea what's up with the strange naming?
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• 2811[23:58:55] <JackFrost> Maintainer jumped to 4.99.4, figured out there's a reason not to use it and went back to 4.11.2.
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