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• 70[00:42:11] <random_auroras> Looks like that person was right. There doesn't seem to be documentation on whether or not expert install supports BIOS-mode or not.
• 71[00:42:29] <random_auroras> Though defacto it does since my desktop doesn't support UEFI...
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• 146[01:31:14] <awal1> I just got an usb wifi adapter 2.4/5 ghz compatible. lsusb ---» Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0bda:0129 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5129 Card Reader Controller. According to #763354 my dongle should work thanks to rtsx_usb driver. lsmod lists 'rtsx_usb' module as loaded. "modinfo rtsx_usb" replaced-url
• 147[01:31:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 149[01:32:44] <pos> they comboed sd reader and wnic?
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• 159[01:37:44] <awal1> pos, I don't get you
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• 162[01:39:15] <pos> "Card Reader Controller" yet also wnic?
• 163[01:39:48] <t3st3r> anything related in dmesg?
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• 168[01:40:14] <t3st3r> though Realtek support in Linux is kind of mixed bag, even with recent kernels and staging drivers enabled as far as I know
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• 171[01:40:46] <awal1> pos, not sure what wnic is
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• 173[01:42:36] <pos> wireless network interface card. wikipedia exists
• 174[01:43:17] <pos> /controller
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• 178[01:45:10] <awal1> t3st3r, in dmesg I only see [ 6.435090] usbcore: registered new interface driver rtsx_usb nothing interesting about that module, just listed several times among other loaded modules
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• 182[01:46:22] <awal1> pos, it it "netis AC600 Wireless Dual Band USB Adapter ' model WF2180"
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• 188[01:47:43] <pos> awal1, ok, not the impression i got from you three msg ago
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• 194[01:51:06] <bites> you noticed that your lsusb line says "RTS5129 Card Reader Controller"?
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• 196[01:52:50] <awal1> according to replaced-url
• 197[01:52:59] <t3st3r> awal1> basically, when wireless appears it outputs specific messages, including 80211. Oh wait maybe it needs firmware?
• 198[01:53:20] <pos> bites, sometimes i look at things and think "who came up with this stuff"
• 199[01:53:22] <awal1> looks like since linux 3.18 that module is introduced replacing rts5139 , bites
• 200[01:53:29] <bites> rtsx_usb is a driver for a usb card reader.
• 201[01:54:04] <pos> awal1, you need a floppy drive
• 202[01:54:05] <awal1> I installed firmware-misc-nonfree + firmware-realtek yet
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• 204[01:54:40] <pos> awal1, your isp might be able to help, give them a call
• 205[01:55:07] <pos> remember to say "shibboleth"
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• 207[01:55:26] <bites> are we still talking about your usb wifi adapter? am i having a stroke?
• 208[01:55:58] <awal1> yep :D
• 209[01:56:10] <bites> find the line in lsusb that actually referes to the wifi adapter and not some card reader.
• 210[01:57:52] <awal1> that is the card I bought replaced-url
• 211[01:58:08] <pos> awal1, really? that settles it then
• 212[01:58:24] <pos> awal1, surely they included drivers for your sd reader?
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• 214[01:58:49] <bites> now find out what chipset that uses... with lsusb for example.
• 215[01:59:01] <awal1> pos, I have a cd included yeah
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• 217[01:59:18] <pos> awal1, good, now find the nearest Mac and visit nytimes.co
• 218[01:59:20] <pos> m
• 219[03:00:01] <pos> awal1, no that i'm running out of jokes here, but we already know how this goes
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• 222[03:00:24] <pos> awal1, i suggest you do what bites is saying
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• 224[03:00:28] <awal1> pos, I am not into jokes
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• 226[03:01:19] <awal1> lsusb replaced-url
• 227[03:02:19] <t3st3r> awal1> have you pasted dmesg somwehere?
• 228[03:02:24] <pos> awal1, it's based on RTL8812AR
• 229[03:02:34] <t3st3r> at least part after plugging that thing
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• 232[03:02:58] <pos> awal1, better let that sink in than concentrating on your sd reader
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• 235[03:05:29] <awal1> t3st3r, nothing interesting in dmesg
• 236[03:05:53] <awal1> pos, how you deduced it is based on RTL8812AR?
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• 241[03:06:45] <pos> awal1, there is no "netis "WF218""
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• 243[03:07:02] <awal1> WF2180 pos
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• 245[03:07:37] <pos> i know
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• 248[03:08:25] <pos> based on specs and siblings, go figure
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• 252[03:10:23] <pos> awal1, the 2180 sure seems popular in rus/ua
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• 256[03:13:36] <t3st3r> <awal1> t3st3r, nothing interesting in dmesg <- that's what ringing the bell... I'm getting impression you've got no modules to support wireless part or so.
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• 262[03:15:54] <awal1> in the included cd I see a folder containing rtl8811au_linux_v4.3.0_10674.20140509.zip
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• 266[03:16:05] <awal1> well, I am ot going to install it
• 267[03:16:23] <awal1> linux folder
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• 272[03:18:35] <MarioMey> Hello, there.
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• 274[03:19:05] <MarioMey> I want to connect Debian 9 with an Android tablet with an ad-hoc conection.
• 275[03:19:28] <MarioMey> With GUI network manager... no success.
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• 277[03:19:43] <MarioMey> Is there any tutorial to do something like this?
• 278[03:20:08] <MarioMey> I created the ad-hoc conection... but it isn't shown in conections list :/.
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• 286[03:22:45] <awal1> t3st3r, pos, according to Ben Hutchings one of the dd maintaining linux my realtek shit should work thanks to rtsx_usb as sentenced here #763354 already included in linux 3.18+. well, I will not get a headache bcoz of this wifi dongle; I will just go to the store nd return it
• 287[03:22:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 289[03:23:31] <awal1> I just wanted a fully compatible one with 5 ghz support. I already have one working fine but only have support for 2.4 ghz
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• 292[03:24:50] <bites> your card reader will never have 5ghz support, even if ben hutchings writes the driver himself.
• 293[03:26:16] <bites> and the driver for your actual wifi dongle doesn't seem to be in debian.
• 294[03:26:58] <t3st3r> awal1> well, wifi dongles still can eventually give some headache. Realtek makes new ICs like mad so their support can very well lag behind.
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• 296[03:28:10] <t3st3r> Absolutely latest ainline kernel could be somewhat better at that but even by then realtek things are mixed bag. Somehow Realtek never had will to orchestrate the effort.
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• 299[03:29:36] <bites> awal1: have you read the title in the link you've posted repeatedly?
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• 304[03:30:43] <awal1> bites, yeah, and?
• 305[03:31:04] <bites> awal1: it's about a driver for a CARD READER
• 306[03:31:16] <bites> it has nothing to do with your wifi dongle.
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• 308[03:31:49] <awal1> but the bug reporter have same dongle as mine Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0bda:0129 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5129 Card Reader Controller
• 309[03:31:57] <awal1> I get same output from lsusb
• 310[03:32:01] <bites> RTS5129 Card Reader Controller
• 311[03:32:08] <bites> it's not a dongle
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• 315[03:32:51] <awal1> by dongle I meant usb wifi adapter
• 316[03:33:03] <bites> i give up.
• 317[03:33:07] <awal1> i am not english spoken, I thought dongle means that :D
• 318[03:33:35] <bites> that line has nothing to do with your wifi device.
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• 321[03:34:15] <awal1> bites, you are right
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• 327[03:34:55] <awal1> I was fuc**** completely confused and wrong since the beginning
• 328[03:35:59] <awal1> angry with my self now :D My fucking card reader I have inserted months ago stills inserted and I thought lsusb was showing my wifi adapter
• 329[03:36:28] <bites> now for your actual wifi device i've found no driver in debian. this exists > replaced-url
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• 332[03:37:15] <bites> "This repository contains drivers for the rtl8812AU and rtl8821AU/rtl8811AU chipsets."
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• 334[03:37:37] <bites> the dkms part being the relevant bit.
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• 337[03:38:14] <awal1> bites, t3st3r, pos, excuses if I lost your time; I was confused since beginning
• 338[03:38:26] <bites> no worries
• 339[03:38:36] <awal1> bites, now I know what I should look for; thanks for your attention
• 340[03:39:00] <awal1> I don't know how I was confusing card reader vs wifi adapter
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• 344[03:41:26] <awal1> not officially suppoerted my card; I will go for an alpha model or something
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• 365[03:55:29] <k-man> anyone have any game recommendations?
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• 367[03:55:48] <k-man> apt-get-able ones
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• 388[04:10:37] <t3st3r> awal1> oh btw I'm nut, it seems to be Ralink wireless, not realtek at all.
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• 393[04:12:41] <t3st3r> Oh, wait, it seems RT5372 another dongle/device? :D
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• 397[04:14:45] <awal1> t3st3r, ralink nonfree stuff are included in 'firmware-misc-nonfree'. I installed it yet for another wifi adapter. my dongle driver is not in firmware-misc-nonfree since it is not recognized
• 398[04:15:04] <awal1> RT5372 is another dongle
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• 401[04:15:42] <t3st3r> well, it seems you had 2 dongles plugged at time of lsusb... one Ralink based and another is realtek. And it seems its Realtek that isn't operational.
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• 404[04:16:23] <t3st3r> and yea, as far as I know most ralinks tend to work but they need non-free firmware
• 405[04:16:48] <awal1> Ralink one it is the Tenda model (supports only 2.4 ghz frq.). it works fine thanks to firmware-misc-nonfree; that is what I am using now
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• 408[04:18:24] <awal1> The ralink one working fine is Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5372 Wireless Adapter as listed by lsusb yeah
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• 410[04:19:11] <awal1> Realtek not operational yeah
• 411[04:20:24] <awal1> hard to find linux compatible wifi device if not via Amazon
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• 413[04:22:12] <awal1> Realtek one costs me 34 canadian dollars; it is cheap since it supports both 2.4 and 5 ghrz frequencies
• 414[04:22:24] <awal1> 34 after taxes
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• 417[04:22:52] <t3st3r> well, it isnt that bad, but realtek spits new ICs quite fast and while many of 'em are supported, it still could be mixed bag.
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• 435[04:43:24] <OS-36897_1> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY wncqr@03
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• 437[04:43:50] <OS-36897_1> #offsec
• 438[04:43:56] <annadane> OS-36897_1, change your password
• 439[04:44:01] <atralheaven> how can I exclude a program to be updated in apt-get upgrade?
• 440[04:44:40] <annadane> which program and why? typically you should just let it upgrade
• 441[04:44:42] <t3st3r> OS-36897_1> now you better change that...
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• 445[04:47:25] <atralheaven> annadane: firefox-esr, because I use the latest version instead of it, and updating firefox-esr will cause some problems for it
• 446[04:48:27] <annadane> ugh, ffs. what's going on... i had installed mate via tasksel and then to get updated stuff from mate in backports i installed the backport of mate-core (likely a mistake, but that's not the issue) but now when i install applications from backports piecemeal i get "99 not upgraded", but then typing "apt upgrade" shows all 0's
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• 448[04:49:25] <annadane> atralheaven, apt-mark hold firefox-es
• 449[04:49:29] <annadane> esr*
• 450[04:49:44] <awal1> or aptitude hold
• 451[04:50:01] <atralheaven> thanks!
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• 454[04:51:06] <annadane> why does it say 99 upgraded, i don't get it
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• 457[04:51:27] <annadane> replaced-url
• 458[04:52:05] <annadane> replaced-url
• 459[04:52:12] <annadane> maybe i need to change my backports mirror...?
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• 461[04:53:09] <annadane> nope, that's not it
• 462[04:54:25] <annadane> do i seriously have to go through _every single dependency_ as a result of tasksel
• 463[04:54:53] <annadane> what the hell did i do, lol
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• 465[04:55:14] <annadane> never mind, don't answer that, i'll figure it out myself
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• 470[04:58:44] <annadane> k, let this be a lesson. do not "guess" when trying to update DEs
• 471[04:59:05] <annadane> i will consider this fixed for now until it inevitably breaks in future
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• 500[05:32:50] <sennin> does anyone know what i need to get color emoji in terminal without installing gnome (testing)
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• 505[05:37:07] <sennin> i had installed gnome, removed a buttload of stuff and it still worked in xfce
• 506[05:37:45] <sennin> but id like to know exactly which libraries or software are required so i dont have to download gb worth of stuff
• 507[05:37:46] <johnnylover> can I usb device_add an external HDD from a mothernode to a *multiple* VMs and use them simultaneously?
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• 511[05:39:22] <sennin> replaced-url
• 512[05:39:41] <sennin> cairo from git master
• 513[05:39:42] <sennin> fontconfig from git master
• 514[05:39:43] <sennin> pango 1.40.9 or .10
• 515[05:39:44] <sennin> GTK+ from the gtk-3-22 branch
• 516[05:39:45] <sennin> a suitable Emoji font, such as EmojiOne or Noto Color Emoji
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• 520[05:40:15] <sennin> i have all that stuff installed
• 521[05:40:27] <sennin> and it doesnt work :/
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• 525[05:41:42] <krytarik> ,i fonts-noto-color-emoji
• 526[05:41:43] <judd> No package named 'fonts-noto-color-emoji' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 527[05:41:48] <krytarik> ,v fonts-noto-color-emoji
• 528[05:41:50] <judd> Package: fonts-noto-color-emoji on amd64 -- buster: 0~20180102-1; sid: 0~20180102-1
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• 531[05:45:26] <sennin> krytarik: 👍
• 532[05:45:32] <sennin> thank you
• 533[05:45:35] <krytarik> Sure.
• 534[05:45:54] <sennin> idk why thats needed, as i have twitter emoji font installed
• 535[05:46:00] <sennin> but it works
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• 591[06:46:52] <t3st3r> johnnylover> even if something like this works, naive approach where one block device used from multiple VMs looks hazardous.
• 592[06:47:12] <t3st3r> VMs aren't aware of each other activity so you could end up damaging data quite badly.
• 593[06:48:08] <t3st3r> you can split it to partition and give partitions to VMs or put VM files on that and use free space as files, etc - this would abstract device sharing away.
• 594[06:48:14] <johnnylover> t3st3r: I see - so what is the best way to share one HDD with two VMs?
• 595[06:48:35] <t3st3r> ahh you want to share some storage...
• 596[06:48:36] <johnnylover> I hate to use qcow or something virtual as data is not easily readable on the HDD
• 597[06:49:16] <t3st3r> well, in this caes: raw drive image is readily mountable by "usual" linux via loop device.
• 598[06:49:40] <t3st3r> though one have to care not to mount it from 2 points at once, again - this could break things badly
• 599[06:50:28] <t3st3r> so I can imagine you want something like "shared folder" and somesuch, like networked FS/p9/etc.
• 600[06:52:07] <t3st3r> in most VM software you can pass part of host filesystem to guest(s), I guess that's what you want.
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• 618[07:07:16] <johnnylover> t3st3r: so this is something like qcow?
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• 621[07:12:27] <t3st3r> johnnylover> I guess you rather want something like shared folders.
• 622[07:13:27] <t3st3r> Where you pass part of host filesystem hierarchy (i.e. some folder) to VMs - by network/virtio/etc.
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• 733[09:00:52] <vlt> Hello. On a Debian 8 machine the clock is running slow. Where can I begin to troubleshoot this?
• 734[09:01:22] <vlt> There's an ntpd running.
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• 737[09:02:53] <boser> vlt: look after your bios-batterie.
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• 739[09:06:00] <vlt> boser: The machine was last booted on 2015-09-05. I thought the BIOS battery only has to buffer while the computer is off.
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• 744[09:13:39] <boser> vlt: when was the last ntpd sync. ?
• 745[09:13:42] <themill> vlt: running slow as in it's an hour out or running slow as in it gets worse over time?
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• 754[09:19:32] <vlt> themill: It gets worse over time. Like an hour a month or so.
• 755[09:20:06] <vlt> boser: Where can I find out the last ntpd sync?
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• 757[09:21:40] <vlt> `systemctl status ntp.service`: replaced-url
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• 766[09:28:17] <Satou> Hello, I have a question (running stretch 9.4) I want to install docker, there is a link to the docker website on the debian wiki. Would it be safe to follow those steps for installing docker? (here's the link : replaced-url
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• 769[09:31:40] <vlt> boser: On 2018-03-12 14:17:54 CET ntpd was restarted.
• 770[09:31:51] <Satou> Is it safe to add another repository and install from there?
• 771[09:31:55] <boser> vlt : my 'systemctl status ntp.service' : replaced-url
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• 773[09:32:43] <themill> Satou: often not
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• 775[09:33:22] <Satou> themill, Docker doesn't seem to be in the official repos. The Debian wiki linked me to a way of installing Docker by adding the docker repository
• 776[09:33:55] <themill> docker is a sufficiently large mess that it has missed the last 2 debian releases
• 777[09:34:15] <themill> the packages provided by docker upstream might be ok, no idea
• 778[09:34:28] <Satou> I see, thanks themill
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• 780[09:36:05] <vlt> boser: One difference I can see is the log output that isn't available anymore.
• 781[09:37:07] <boser> vlt: 'systemctl restart ntp.service' and than look with 'status' if it is running .
• 782[09:37:45] <vlt> boser: If I run that it will just restart ntpd and resync the clock. I've done that several times vefore.
• 783[09:37:59] <vlt> *before
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• 787[09:39:24] <emucla> can anybody please explain me why after configure ssl with a self-signed cert. I receive constant https petitions from this IP range 5.188.62.* (five or more at the same time)
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• 789[09:39:51] <emucla> I did something wrong?
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• 812[10:12:06] <earl_> hi
• 813[10:12:10] <earl_> every one
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• 825[10:24:08] <g0zzy> I'm guessing that this is the fault of my BT modem/router or maybe powerline networking but sometimes DHCP calls go unanswered. I simply cannot get my server's Ethernet nic back online. Any suggestions?
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• 843[10:31:15] <MolnarMilan> hi my name is Milan
• 844[10:31:48] <MolnarMilan> replaced-url
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• 849[10:37:42] <g0zzy> try in #bash
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• 851[10:42:57] <MolnarMilan> okay but this clock how to run backwards? because this clock not run in backwards
• 852[10:43:19] <MolnarMilan> such as: 10:42 10:41 10:40
• 853[10:43:26] <MolnarMilan> and so one
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• 856[10:47:17] <analogist> MolnarMilan: it just plots from the variable $TIME every 5 seconds, which is refreshed from clock(), which just calls date +%H:%M
• 857[10:47:29] <analogist> MolnarMilan: just use date to subtract and reprint
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• 865[10:54:38] <MolnarMilan> thank you analogist
• 866[10:54:40] <MolnarMilan> :)
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• 905[11:35:29] <Leader_> hey everyone i am new to open source. i want to contribute to open source. anyone can help me ?
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• 916[11:42:19] <sine0> morning folks, im looking for a bit of help with exim4 thats on stretch. I have dovecot installed and when i try to send with tbird the exim4 log says relay not permitted. I am trying to send from the domain that is the hostname of the server. local cli mail send works.
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• 918[11:43:24] <sine0> I cant work out what is different from local shell sending and sending from dovecot, which is running on the same host
• 919[11:44:05] <Leader_> hey everyone i am new to open source. i want to contribute to open source. anyone can help me ?
• 920[11:44:45] <vlt> Leader_: Picking a project and having a look at their issue tracker could get you started.
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• 924[11:46:16] <Leader_> is there any place where i can found some beginners bugs?
• 925[11:46:47] <MolnarMilan> hello im try to compile gimp 0.54 version but im gave error
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• 929[11:48:25] <MolnarMilan> im installig libmotif and Xshm
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• 971[12:10:13] <kroon> I can't get Debian Stretch to access my Samsung S8 in nautilus. Anyone have an idea ?
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• 986[12:16:06] <kroon> Oh, it worked, it just took a helluva while
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• 1014[12:40:38] <folatt> replaced-url
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• 1047[13:06:25] <Wizard> Hi.
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• 1050[13:08:21] <shoogz> can i get a verification on your wizardry skills
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• 1054[13:09:05] <shoogz> i feel like maybe there was 122 infront of you
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• 1057[13:09:31] <Wizard> So I installed Debian Stable from net installation image, however it turned out my wifi adapter needed some non-free firmware, so I ended with pretty basic and empty system. And now I'm wondering which metapackages should I install to get some basic stuff. I've noticed for example killall is missing :)
• 1058[13:09:44] <Wizard> Also, I'm not sure if my sources.list is correct: replaced-url
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• 1060[13:10:07] <Wizard> shoogz: International Magic Association ID would be ok?
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• 1062[13:10:28] <shoogz> replaced-url
• 1063[13:10:34] <shoogz> this the bloke you need mayeb?
• 1064[13:10:58] <shoogz> and i was hoping more for like a hogwarts letter
• 1065[13:11:03] <shoogz> admission letter
• 1066[13:11:38] <Wizard> shoogz: This I've done already. I mean getting wifi to work was a matter of enabling non-free repo and installing firmware-ilsomething.
• 1067[13:11:40] <shoogz> then i can edit that fucker and sell admission letters online at a profit
• 1068[13:12:01] <Wizard> Hogwarts? o_O'
• 1069[13:12:05] <shoogz> oh then nfi sowrry
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• 1071[13:12:47] <shoogz> hogwarts is the most prestigious school of witchcraft and wizardy imo
• 1072[13:12:54] <shoogz> so yeah, hogwarts.
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• 1074[13:12:56] <Wizard> The problem is I lack some usual commands, like killall, and I'm wondering if I'm missing some important metapackage maybe
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• 1084[13:16:49] <abrotman> Wizard: aptitude install "~pstandard" ?
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• 1086[13:17:12] <Wizard> aptitude? o_O'
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• 1088[13:17:24] <abrotman> use tasksel if you prefer
• 1089[13:17:37] <Wizard> Tasksel doesn't seem to offer much
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• 1091[13:17:46] <pos> so, did that guy manage to get wifi up and running with his sd card reader? :P
• 1092[13:17:47] <Wizard> I'm thinking I screwed something up.
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• 1094[13:17:56] <abrotman> or ignore me, that's cool
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• 1096[13:18:19] <Wizard> abrotman: No, that's a good hint with aptitude. Thanks.
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• 1100[13:19:09] <shoogz> wizard, i'd be inclined to agree wit hyou given something is not working
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• 1102[13:19:18] <abrotman> Wizard: you probably also want ~pstandard and ~pimportant
• 1103[13:19:28] <Wizard> Let me check.
• 1104[13:19:32] <abrotman> this all assumes oyu've already correctly configured your sources
• 1105[13:19:39] <abrotman> and run update
• 1106[13:19:41] <shoogz> any of you guys fans of cockpit?
• 1107[13:20:12] <shoogz> isn't sources.list just an address book of your drug dealers
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• 1111[13:21:29] <Wizard> abrotman: Not much more. Less, exim, procmail.
• 1112[13:21:32] <abrotman> shoogz: I think you want #debian-offtopic
• 1113[13:21:33] <Wizard> Seriously, exim? :D
• 1114[13:21:40] <abrotman> yes, exim .. get over it
• 1115[13:21:44] <Wizard> :D
• 1116[13:21:51] <abrotman> you can install whatever you'd like when you're done
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• 1118[13:22:12] <Wizard> This is a laptop installation, why woudl I need exim? :)
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• 1120[13:22:32] <Wizard> At least now I have killall
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• 1124[13:22:47] <Wizard> +laptop tools installed by tasksel, Seems my base is complete.
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• 1126[13:22:50] <Wizard> Thanks!
• 1127[13:23:01] <Wizard> Time to rice i3 a bit
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• 1129[13:24:17] <Wizard> Ah, +fonts. Default x11 fonts are super ugly
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• 1146[13:33:27] <nullbyte_> i have removed /var/cache/* how can i restore it
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• 1166[13:42:12] <nullbyte_> Err:6 file:/var/cuda-repo-9-0-local Release
• 1167[13:42:12] <nullbyte_> File not found - /var/cuda-repo-9-0-local/Release (2: No such file or directory)
• 1168[13:42:12] <nullbyte_> how can i remove this
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• 1185[13:46:01] <vlt> nullbyte_: What do you want to remove (and why)?
• 1186[13:46:30] <nullbyte_> Err:6 file:/var/cuda-repo-9-0-local Release this from apt-get update
• 1187[13:47:07] <nullbyte_> and i have removed /var/cache* with rm -rf /var/cache* and now i don't have cache and/var/cuda-repo-9-0-local/Release still there in apt-get update
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• 1194[13:50:23] <vlt> nullbyte_: I have a hard time understanding your questions. Maybe start by restoring /var/cache from backup.
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• 1197[13:51:09] <nullbyte_> how
• 1198[13:51:14] <nullbyte_> how to remove then
• 1199[13:51:27] <nullbyte_> Err:6 file:/var/cuda-repo-9-0-local Release
• 1200[13:51:27] <nullbyte_> File not found - /var/cuda-repo-9-0-local/Release (2: No such file or directory)
• 1201[13:51:43] <nullbyte_> E: The repository 'file:/var/cuda-repo-9-0-local Release' does not have a Release file.
• 1202[13:51:46] <nullbyte_> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
• 1203[13:51:49] <nullbyte_> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
• 1204[13:52:28] <nullbyte_> cd /var/backups/
• 1205[13:52:28] <nullbyte_> d
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• 1212[13:54:43] <Wizard> "No matching packaging method was found for jdk-10_linux-x64_bin.tar.gz."
• 1213[13:54:44] <Wizard> What?
• 1214[13:54:57] <abrotman> no context ..
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• 1217[13:56:24] <Wizard> make-jpkg
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• 1219[13:56:48] <Wizard> I downloaded jdk.tar.gz as instructed. It says this
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• 1228[13:58:06] <Wizard> Is enabling backports a good idea on desktop?
• 1229[13:58:13] <Wizard> Or better I should switch to testing?
• 1230[13:58:28] <babilen> Backports are absolutely fine
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• 1234[13:58:46] <RoyK> backports > testing imho
• 1235[13:58:53] <nullbyte_> rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cuda-9-0-local.list
• 1236[13:58:53] <nullbyte_> done
• 1237[13:58:53] <nullbyte_> how to backup now cache
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• 1246[14:00:02] <vlt> nullbyte_: Just copy the files from your backup device.
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• 1249[14:00:38] <Wizard> I'd prefer staying with stable
• 1250[14:00:48] <nullbyte_> what backup device
• 1251[14:00:51] <Wizard> But java is kind of crucial for me :P
• 1252[14:00:51] <nullbyte_> which dir
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• 1256[14:03:11] <RoyK> nullbyte_: do you have a backup?
• 1257[14:03:20] <nullbyte_> no
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• 1259[14:03:39] <nullbyte_> /var/backups/ this ?
• 1260[14:03:39] <RoyK> is your data worth a bakckup?
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• 1262[14:03:44] <nullbyte_> no
• 1263[14:03:52] <babilen> nullbyte_: Look into backup tools. borgbackup, dirvish, ... they really come in handy
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• 1266[14:05:05] <RoyK> nullbyte_: there isn't a default backup enabled in debian
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• 1271[14:07:33] <muricantrump> lol
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• 1275[14:09:39] <hypn0> is there a good gui backup solution
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• 1279[14:11:12] <Wizard> Heh, the question is how to upgrade single package to one from backports
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• 1284[14:12:39] <hypn0> isn't that in instructions?
• 1285[14:13:14] <Wizard> Only installation
• 1286[14:14:06] <Wizard> Ok, I reinstalled. Still no luck with java 10
• 1287[14:14:26] <themill> java 10 is nowhere in debian
• 1288[14:14:26] <hypn0> replaced-url
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• 1291[14:15:46] <themill> (there's a package in sid that is nowhere near ready for actual use)
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• 1296[14:17:43] <Wizard> Nah, according to packages.debian.org all suites (including sid) have java-package 0.62
• 1297[14:17:49] <Wizard> which doesn't support java 10.
• 1298[14:17:49] <Wizard> Nice
• 1299[14:18:00] * Wizard flips desk.
• 1300[14:18:36] <themill> java-package has nothing to do with the versions of java that are available
• 1301[14:18:59] <hypn0> replaced-url
• 1302[14:19:37] <jelly> Wizard, replaced-url
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• 1306[14:21:05] <Wizard> 8? I thought 8 is EOL
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• 1310[14:21:48] <themill> no, Java 8 is the current LTS release
• 1311[14:22:05] <themill> everything beyond is the shifting sands of future possibilities
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• 1313[14:22:43] <jelly> Oracle announced dropping support for 8 in Jan 2019
• 1314[14:23:21] <jelly> (sorry. Dropping public support. They still support 1.6, 7 and 8 if you have an active contract.)
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• 1316[14:24:03] <themill> And of course openjdk ≠ oracle jdk but the base on which oracle jdk is built.
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• 1321[14:26:07] <RoyK> what's the big deal with oracle java these days? I thought most was in openjdk
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• 1328[14:28:55] <themill> RoyK: most. There are bits that aren't and then lots of interesting incompatibilities between different versions right now.
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• 1380[15:01:34] <pschuurmans> hi people
• 1381[15:01:40] <pschuurmans> 'v a question
• 1382[15:01:57] <pschuurmans> when my pc goes to sleep, music still continues, that's fine
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• 1384[15:02:29] <pschuurmans> but that one second when monitor goes off, my music hangs for a seconds, then it continues
• 1385[15:02:39] <pschuurmans> has anyone an idea what's wrong?
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• 1393[15:07:34] <dutchfish> pschuurmans, if this is a laptop, most likely c-states, if not i need more info about this kernels handles that on your system (dmesg output).
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• 1397[15:08:33] <dutchfish> pschuurmans, it also could be related to bios settings in regards to that.
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• 1401[15:09:10] <thatsodd> It doesn't matter which key I press, but my speaker makes a sound when I hold a key. For example, shift. Does that mean my keyboard is sending a wireless signal?
• 1402[15:09:35] <dutchfish> pschuurmans, does that sleep state (and the audio hickup) repeat after a few minutes?
• 1403[15:10:01] <pschuurmans> dutchfish: thanks for your answer, nop it does not repeat
• 1404[15:10:09] <pschuurmans> what kind of bios settings i need to look for?
• 1405[15:10:26] <pschuurmans> it's a desktop computer, not a laptop
• 1406[15:10:32] <dutchfish> pschuurmans, sleep modes and c-states.
• 1407[15:10:43] <pschuurmans> ok cool, i will look into that
• 1408[15:10:45] <pschuurmans> thanks
• 1409[15:10:49] <dutchfish> pschuurmans, yw
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• 1459[15:38:25] <folatt> replaced-url
• 1460[15:38:42] <folatt> My xdg_session_id is missing.
• 1461[15:40:45] <abrotman> folatt: Which part of that is related to Debian ?
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• 1466[15:45:11] <abrotman> dpkg: yunohost
• 1467[15:45:11] <dpkg> Yunohost (replaced-url
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• 1469[15:45:58] <Wizard> Does anyone know standalone theme setter for gtk?
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• 1492[16:02:39] <folatt> abrotman, my apologies, I thought Yunohost is an application on debian.
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• 1496[16:03:16] <g0zzy> I'm guessing that this is the fault of my BT modem/router or maybe powerline networking but sometimes DHCP calls go unanswered. I simply cannot get my server's Ethernet nic back online. Any suggestions?
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• 1500[16:05:36] <dvs> Don't use BT? ;-)
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• 1505[16:08:56] <g0zzy> You mean don't use their routers. Possibly. But i'm not convinced that's the problem
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• 1583[16:53:45] <sine0> hello folks. I have installed mariadb-server and mariasdb-client, however it did not seem to go through the usual umm whats that cli gui blue screen to setup root password etc.
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• 1585[16:53:59] <sine0> how can i setup a root password or user to connect to it is what im asking
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• 1608[17:08:34] <nmcli_help> when i use "nmcli connection edit" to create/edit a connection i get the following error when i try to save "Error: connection verification failed: 802-1x.eap: property is missing". But i dont want to use EAP on the connection how can i disable or set the option to off? it only happens if i view the 802-x1 settings with the command "goto 802-1x". I am trying to understand why this behaviour happens and
• 1609[17:08:40] <nmcli_help> what i am doing wrong?
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• 1627[17:13:13] <tomreyn> nmcli_help: do you run debian or ubuntu? since you asked on both channels.
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• 1631[17:14:26] <tomreyn> <nmcli_help> tomreyn: ubuntu 17-10
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• 1636[17:16:25] <thatsodd> Why does Debian continue to support its own package format when superior options are available?
• 1637[17:16:46] <thatsodd> It seems a giant waste of time to support out of date technology and tooling.
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• 1639[17:17:11] <Sir_Designer> what should it support
• 1640[17:17:31] <thatsodd> Sir_Designer: Nix.
• 1641[17:17:40] <pos> you mean like snap and "app stores" where packs can call home at whim?
• 1642[17:17:53] <thatsodd> pos: no, I mean like Nix.
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• 1644[17:18:22] <Sir_Designer> replaced-url
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• 1646[17:18:27] <FinalX> Oh, you're one of those. Not saying anything, just coming here to talk about Nix, which calls itself an OS but really relies on everything and everyone else.
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• 1649[17:19:02] <thatsodd> FinalX: can you clarify exactly what you mean?
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• 1651[17:19:13] <thatsodd> FinalX: nobody said NixOS wrote glibc.
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• 1653[17:19:21] <FinalX> Neither did I.
• 1654[17:19:59] <thatsodd> FinalX: you said it's not an operating system, which is just plain false.
• 1655[17:20:10] <annadane> can someone tell me why when i install certain backports it says 99 not upgraded, but then when i apt upgrade regularly it shows all zeroes?
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• 1657[17:20:22] <nmcli_help> tomreyn: i also get this issue on debian
• 1658[17:20:29] <thatsodd> FinalX: it doesn't make you look good.
• 1659[17:20:34] <annadane> i would !bat but it's a general problem
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• 1663[17:21:35] <FinalX> thatsodd: You come in here and you immediately start talking about Nix, which is completely irrelevant to Debian. Debian has had its own package format that many, many, many distributions rely on. It existed decades before Nix. Nix has like no grounding and the only people coming in here to talk about Nix are quite aggressive. Like you.
• 1664[17:21:36] <nmcli_help> debain live 9.4.0
• 1665[17:21:40] <thatsodd> FinalX: wrong
• 1666[17:21:45] <FinalX> thatsodd: Even the website is Nix *OS* dot org.
• 1667[17:21:49] <bites> annadane: because when you -t stretch-backport you temporarily increase its priority, which opens up a lot up upgrade candidates. but it does not upgrade because you only specified one package.
• 1668[17:21:53] <FinalX> See, you didn't even bother to read.
• 1669[17:21:55] <FinalX> QED.
• 1670[17:21:58] <thatsodd> FinalX: you should perhaps be a bit more observant.
• 1671[17:22:04] <FinalX> QED ^
• 1672[17:22:08] <annadane> bites, is there a way to see the upgrade candidates?
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• 1674[17:22:35] <thatsodd> FinalX: nix also works on Debian.
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• 1677[17:23:07] <bites> annadane: apt upgrade -s -t stretch-backports
• 1678[17:23:17] <thatsodd> FinalX: nix has no grounding? It's one of the most active projects on GitHub.
• 1679[17:23:28] <annadane> ah. i assumed apt upgrade would include everything
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• 1681[17:23:54] <thatsodd> FinalX: can you please say something which is actually quantifiable?
• 1682[17:24:01] <annadane> thanks, bites
• 1683[17:24:02] <bites> not backports that you have not installed.
• 1684[17:24:11] <bites> no problemo
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• 1687[17:25:42] <thatsodd> I guess nobody here thinks about what they are running on their systems then.
• 1688[17:25:56] <thatsodd> "This is what we have always done."
• 1689[17:26:02] <thatsodd> Or similar "logic" like that.
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• 1692[17:26:39] <annadane> backports + desktop environments = PITA, research what you're doing before you do it :P
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• 1694[17:27:22] <thatsodd> annadane: nah, you just need to know what you are doing.
• 1695[17:27:34] <thatsodd> annadane: implementing a solution on Debian is not easy, however.
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• 1699[17:29:12] <annadane> also, why is it that when i use the netinstall (i think this is from 9.2) there are upgrades when it first drops me into the shell?
• 1700[17:29:19] <thatsodd> I can understand why the creators of Debian don't want to say that what they have created is really inferior now, but I don't get why the users don't just all run away.
• 1701[17:29:26] <furrymcgee> debian backports are very appreeciated
• 1702[17:29:55] <annadane> i can give you the specific upgrades
• 1703[17:30:00] <thatsodd> annadane: because perhaps that's not an iso which was created in the past minute?
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• 1705[17:30:29] <annadane> but the net install updates packages in the installer
• 1706[17:30:43] <thatsodd> annadane: same argument
• 1707[17:30:57] <annadane> replaced-url
• 1708[17:31:21] <thatsodd> Debian is a system which is hacked together to make it "work". It was never designed.
• 1709[17:31:31] <thatsodd> This is why it will never be done.
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• 1711[17:32:22] <annadane> that's your opinion, but it doesn't help my issue
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• 1713[17:33:20] <annadane> i guess i could burn the usb to have 9.4 but it shouldn't be necessary
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• 1715[17:33:35] <annadane> (read: i'm lazy)
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• 1720[17:39:15] <sine0> how can i reinstall an app like phpmyadmin
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• 1722[17:39:40] <sine0> i missed the option to integrate into apache2
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• 1724[17:41:51] <furrymcgee> apt purge phpmyadmin removes the package and the user configuration
• 1725[17:42:28] <nmcli_help> sine0: i think you can use "dpkg-reconfigure"
• 1726[17:42:37] <nmcli_help> it will ask you all the config questions again
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• 1733[17:43:42] <kallenp> Howto delete files in /tmp/ older than 1 hour ?
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• 1735[17:44:48] <sine0> furrymcgee: nmcli_help: done, thanks.
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• 1737[17:45:07] <nmcli_help> sine0: cool i helped and im a complete noob xD
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• 1741[17:48:15] <vlt> kallenp: "find" has an -mmin and a -delete option.
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• 1779[18:21:53] <sine0> folks can i create a ln to a file in my webserver (local vm never live)
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• 1781[18:22:01] <sine0> in my ~/
• 1782[18:22:11] <sine0> so I can scp edit it
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• 1814[18:39:57] <battlecore> jo ^^
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• 1823[18:42:00] <felibad> So have you ever ran the OS opencomputers in debian?
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• 1828[18:42:47] <Guest_01302018> Hi, I have a problem. When I go to connect my bluetooth keyboard I need enter a password. The xfce notification shows the message of bluetooth with the name and the code to enter, but the code appears cut by three dots, because the complete message is bigger than the notification area. So I cannot see the code. Anyone can help-me?
• 1829[18:42:48] <Guest_01302018> <Guest_01302018> When I click in notification or stay mouse over it disappear.
• 1830[18:42:48] <Guest_01302018> <Guest_01302018> I think it have two possible solutions, increase the size of notification area or connect bluetooth by the terminal. Someone can help-me?
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• 1847[18:51:35] <kale> when using winecfg and going to the "Drives" tab, then i get "failed to open mount manager".
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• 1855[18:58:56] <jim> Guest_01302018, I haven['t messed with bluetooth myself, but I'm curious.... had you ever used bluetooth anything on this machine?
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• 1860[19:01:33] <Wizard> ls
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• 1863[19:02:27] <Guest_01302018> jim, no its the first time because I buy a bluetooth keyboard
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• 1871[19:05:05] <MichaelOF> hi all. I want to use Clonezilla Live for an older laptop, not able to boot UEFI, so legacy needed, Clonezille Live has Debian as underlying system, so the question is: How - if possibe - do I switch a Debian UEFI-boot-based system "back" to legacy boot?
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• 1873[19:06:20] <zoeurk> Is it possible to download udeb with apt?
• 1874[19:06:32] <zoeurk> hello (sorry) :/
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• 1877[19:08:22] <annadane> ,v udeb
• 1878[19:08:23] <judd> No package named 'udeb' was found in amd64.
• 1879[19:08:33] <annadane> ah hang on, that sounds familiar
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• 1882[19:09:43] <annadane> yeah this thing: replaced-url
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• 1886[19:11:38] <cYmen> I am trying to get an arm system to run in qemu. Which machine type do I need for the vmlinuz and initrd at replaced-url
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• 1890[19:14:28] <cYmen> If that's the wrong way to go about this or somebody has a good tutorial I would love to hear that as well.
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• 1893[19:15:21] <Guest_01302018> "gsettings set org.blueman.general notification-daemon false" solve my problem.
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• 1897[19:18:55] <fizzizist> Has anyone tried to install Bttle.net on Debian with wine? I get a missing DLL error and the dlls are ncrypt.dll and libcef.dll
• 1898[19:19:11] <fizzizist> Battle.net*
• 1899[19:19:17] <jim> Guest_01302018, oh you found it?
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• 1903[19:20:18] <jim> annadane, what I know about udebs, they;re packages that don't have to follow the policy, and they are used for the installer
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• 1919[19:32:22] <alkisg> cYmen: what I've done is create an armhf chroot for raspberrypi (or use a premade image as a chroot) and use kvm to chroot into it and run/install programs. It's automatically using qemu-arm-static to do that.
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• 1923[19:35:25] <battlecore> any alternatives to bridge-utils on debian 9?
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• 1928[19:37:41] <battlecore> sorry, disconnected ...
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• 1930[19:37:54] <battlecore> so any alternatives to bridge-utils on debian 9 ? :)
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• 1937[19:42:29] <cYmen> alkisg: could you elaborate some?
• 1938[19:42:40] <cYmen> I have no clue what I'm doing. ;)
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• 1943[19:46:10] <Guest_01302018> jim, yes, pragmaticenigma in ubuntu channel helped me.
• 1944[19:46:32] <alkisg> cYmen: which arm board? which image/chroot?
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• 1947[19:48:58] <cYmen> alkisg: I actully don't care but I was going for debian on a beagleboard black.
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• 1957[19:53:06] <alkisg> cYmen: well, head over to replaced-url
• 1958[19:53:43] <jim> Guest_01302018, great, sometimes help comes from unusual sources
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• 1965[19:58:55] <Satou> Could one easily upgrade stable to testing?
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• 1970[20:00:32] <deego> How do I download a previous version of a package from stretch-backports?
• 1971[20:00:49] <deego> nvm
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• 1973[20:01:34] <ktnka> Satou: yes, apt-upgrade, substitute "jessie" to testing in /etc/apt/sources.list, and upgrade again.
• 1974[20:01:56] <Satou> ktnka, thanks, could it easily break things tho?
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• 1976[20:02:21] <cYmen> alkisg: How do I "run chroot directory"? :)
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• 1978[20:02:34] <n4dir> depends a bit on which software you use and what kind of hardware you got (i guess mainly the graphics card). Satou
• 1979[20:02:35] <fizzizist> Satou: I would recommend just installing fresh though. I have tried the upgrade way, and it tends to give you problems down the road
• 1980[20:02:55] <deego> Satou: yes, it's testing. OTOH, IME, debian's "testing" is far stabler than other distros' "stables"
• 1981[20:02:59] <n4dir> I for one never had big problems.
• 1982[20:03:14] <ktnka> Not easily no, but it's possitle.
• 1983[20:03:39] <Satou> I see. I want to use some packages currently not yet in stable, but they are in testing.
• 1984[20:03:52] <n4dir> Satou: did you already check backports ?
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• 1987[20:04:49] <Satou> n4dir, not really
• 1988[20:04:51] <ktnka> A better solution would be to apt -t testing "package". That way you're still on stable, except for that one package.
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• 1990[20:05:10] <n4dir> ktnka: that is horribly wrong.
• 1991[20:05:15] <Satou> ktnka, I see, I'll look into it! thanks!
• 1992[20:05:21] <ktnka> n4dir: why?
• 1993[20:05:22] <n4dir> never ever mix stable with testing.
• 1994[20:05:30] <n4dir> !frankendebian
• 1995[20:05:30] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 1996[20:05:47] <Satou> n4dir, Isn't installing from backports exactly what ktnka said?
• 1997[20:06:19] <alkisg> cYmen: the command is actually `chroot directory`, for example `chroot /path/to/beagleboard-chroot-dir`
• 1998[20:06:26] <n4dir> i understood he said: add the testing repos, set stable to the default and install only the packages you want from testing (with apt-get install -t testing <package>)
• 1999[20:06:31] <alkisg> This gives you a shell in the armhf chroot
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• 2001[20:07:17] <n4dir> !simple sid backport
• 2002[20:07:17] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 2003[20:08:24] <n4dir> Satou: that would be the way assuming someone wants to stick to stable. If you are looking for an adventure, got time on your hand, etc. testing is a possible option (Some will complain and say to not use testing. That is my opinion).
• 2004[20:08:34] <ktnka> Satou: what i suggested is not backports, n4dir is right. That said I'm using it for years now, through multiple (upgraded) deb versions, and haven't encountered any problems. I didn't know it is not recommended.
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• 2009[20:10:42] <Satou> Apparently cargo (for rust) isn't in the backports either.
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• 2011[20:10:58] <n4dir> ktnka: don't take my word for it. Just another opinion from the internet :-) I am pretty sure this channel will recommend strongly against it (but again: this is my point of view).
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• 2015[20:11:31] <annadane> testing and even sid are largely usable but don't use them if you need your system to always work
• 2016[20:11:38] <annadane> stable is the recommended choice
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• 2019[20:12:03] <Satou> Is there any way I can see the "testing status" of a package?, if it has bugs or anything
• 2020[20:12:14] <n4dir> annadane: has put it well. make sure to install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs.
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• 2022[20:12:33] <jim> anyone from debian multimedia here? are you guys playing with supercollider any past 3.8.0?
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• 2024[20:13:10] <jim> Satou, which package/
• 2025[20:13:12] <jim> ?
• 2026[20:13:12] <n4dir> Satou: if you have testing, and have apt-listbugs installed, before upgrading known (and only those! duh ) bugs will be shown. - There is also a mailing list for it.
• 2027[20:13:18] <cYmen> alkisg: I mean I know what chroot is but how do I combine this with qemu to run the image??
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• 2030[20:13:31] <n4dir> I guess a system backup is also a good idea.
• 2031[20:13:45] <Satou> jim, cargo
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• 2034[20:14:02] <jim> , bugs cargo
• 2035[20:14:04] <alkisg> cYmen: you don't need to, it's done automatically, qemu-system-arm is called to handle the different arch that the chroot has. You only need to have qemu installed.
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• 2037[20:14:38] <jim> hmm, I thought judd would know about bugs
• 2038[20:14:43] <n4dir> Satou: i would have a look at testing myself, on a testing (pun :-) ) machine or in an emulator like qemu/kvm, virtualbox, whatever you have got.
• 2039[20:14:56] <Satou> n4dir, good ideea
• 2040[20:14:56] <jim> howbout this: bugs.debian.org/cargo
• 2041[20:14:56] <zerocool> hi guys, anyone here use openvpn client on debian?
• 2042[20:15:01] <alkisg> cYmen: for example, while inside a raspberry chroot, I run this: /path/to/PI_ROOT# chroot . dpkg --print-architecture ==> and it gives me: armhf
• 2043[20:15:08] <Satou> thank you jim
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• 2045[20:15:41] <oats> hello folks, I'm running debian 9.4 in a systemd-nspawn container, and every time I try to do an apt operation I get these errors:
• 2046[20:15:43] <oats> W: chown to _apt:root of directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial failed - SetupAPTPartialDirectory (1: Operation not permitted)
• 2047[20:15:45] <oats> W: chmod 0700 of directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial failed - SetupAPTPartialDirectory (1: Operation not permitted)
• 2048[20:15:58] <Satou> I'm curious how soon this package could get to stable (seeing as it's already on testing and it only has one bug who has a patch available)
• 2049[20:16:01] <oats> I didn't find any solutions with some quick googling, anybody able to help?
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• 2051[20:16:14] <cYmen> alkisg: Ah, yeah, I see what you mean. I think I'd prefer to run the image as a proper VM.
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• 2054[20:16:54] <alkisg> cYmen: that would involve emulating a system at a lower level than the kernel; I don't know how you can do that.
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• 2056[20:17:03] <jim> Satou, well it can't get to current stable (aka stretch), but you can build it from source
• 2057[20:17:19] <Satou> jim, wouldn't that be dangerous?
• 2058[20:17:21] <alkisg> cYmen: and of course if you could, it would be hundreds of times slower
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• 2063[20:18:49] <jim> Satou, to install the -binary- package, yes... but to build it from source on your stable system and then install the resulting package, it should work fine (but, I don't know how well that version will work with other packages related to it)
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• 2065[20:19:19] <n4dir> Satou: packages don't get to stable *before* the new stable is released. They might show up in debian-backports. Else what jim said. The above bot info tells you how ( /msg dpkg simple sid backport )
• 2066[20:20:13] <n4dir> wrong, but gives the idea: once stable is released it stays the way that it is.
• 2067[20:20:22] <jim> , checkbackport cargo
• 2068[20:20:23] <judd> Backporting package cargo in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: cargo (>= 0.17.0) <!pkg.cargo.mkstage0> | cargo:native (>= 0.17.0) <!pkg.cargo.mkstage0>, rustc:native (>= 1.16), libstd-rust-dev (>= 1.16), libgit2-dev (>= 0.25.1.0).
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• 2070[20:21:06] <jim> hmm, so you may or may not be able to backport it without satisfying the build deps some other way
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• 2074[20:21:57] <jim> is rust just not in stretch?
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• 2091[20:31:01] <oats> hello folks, I'm running debian 9.4 in a systemd-nspawn container, and every time I try to do an apt operation I get these errors:
• 2092[20:31:05] <oats> W: chown to _apt:root of directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial failed - SetupAPTPartialDirectory (1: Operation not permitted)
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• 2094[20:31:07] <oats> W: chmod 0700 of directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial failed - SetupAPTPartialDirectory (1: Operation not permitted)
• 2095[20:31:15] <oats> any ideas?
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• 2102[20:33:49] <cYmen> alkisg: If I understand correctly you can still use qemu. I am currently trying this: replaced-url
• 2103[20:34:36] <cYmen> This replaced-url
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• 2107[20:36:35] <ejr> hi. since yesterday, for some reason my external monitor resolution cannot be set higher than 1024x768 anymore (it's the maximum xrandr res) although it used to be 1920x1080. I can add a higher resolution via --addmode and then manually adapt it, but this gets lost after restart. is there a way to make this permanent?
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• 2109[20:36:56] <ejr> btw the higher resolution also got lost in the vt (tty) where I used to be able to set a higher resolution via fbset. same problem there.
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• 2156[21:03:36] <okobogee> I am trying to download debian from the design.org site, and the link seems broken for me replaced-url
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• 2158[21:03:45] <okobogee> debian.org
• 2159[21:04:02] <okobogee> is that link down? am I used the correct link?
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• 2163[21:05:36] <FinalX> You can go to replaced-url
• 2164[21:05:41] <okobogee> ok thanks
• 2165[21:05:50] <FinalX> Seems to be there, actually: replaced-url
• 2166[21:05:56] <FinalX> So, your link should work.
• 2167[21:06:01] <okobogee> hmmm strange
• 2168[21:06:04] <FinalX> Works here, btw.
• 2169[21:06:17] <FinalX> Mine got redirected to replaced-url
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• 2192[21:14:55] <okobogee> this is probably why I can't connect replaced-url
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• 2207[21:22:42] <jim> are you in .se?
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• 2209[21:23:07] <okobogee> no, I'm currently digging around in ftp.ca.debian.org (my local mirror) now
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• 2211[21:23:37] <jim> canada..., ok, good idea
• 2212[21:23:59] <jim> what are you looking for?
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• 2214[21:24:24] <okobogee> "Download Debian 9.4 64-bit PC Network installer"
• 2215[21:24:31] <okobogee> first time install :)
• 2216[21:24:38] <jim> ok
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• 2218[21:25:03] <jim> what kind of networking does the machine have/
• 2219[21:25:04] <jim> ?
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• 2221[21:25:18] <okobogee> simple Ethernet/LAN
• 2222[21:25:28] <jim> so no wireless?
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• 2224[21:26:02] <okobogee> nope
• 2225[21:26:09] <okobogee> Realtek 8139C+/8169/816xS/811xS/8168/810xE 10/100/Gigabit Ethernet to be specific
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• 2227[21:27:02] <jim> see if you can reach this: replaced-url
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• 2229[21:27:06] <RoyK> okobogee: and the ipv6 addresses?
• 2230[21:27:19] <okobogee> I'm not using IPv6
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• 2232[21:27:50] <asterismo_l> hi
• 2233[21:27:55] <okobogee> jim: that link won't work since the name resolves to IPv4 addrs what have a not route to host for me
• 2234[21:28:03] <okobogee> the ca mirror works though :)
• 2235[21:28:12] <jim> you need an ipv6 one?
• 2236[21:28:19] <asterismo_l> i'm having some system hangups, can anyone help me on finding wht it is? i can paste logs
• 2237[21:28:22] <jim> asterismo_l, hi
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• 2240[21:29:10] <jim> what province are you in?
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• 2265[21:43:19] <jim> alllllllll righteyyyyyyyyy thennnnnnnnnnnnn.... I think debian needs to update its mirror list :)
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• 2267[21:43:50] <jim> can't find a cd mirror that would work for him to save my life...
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• 2270[21:44:33] <immortal2> Hello folks, currently im running ubuntu on an acer aspire 3 a315-21-4808 and having a lot of issues. Does anyone know if debian will be smoother?
• 2271[21:44:52] <jim> everything I tried was either 404 or "sorry, that's not available anymore"
• 2272[21:44:53] <alkisg> What issues?
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• 2275[21:45:17] <immortal2> I have no sound when plugged into hdmi(installed everything i needed) also it freezes
• 2276[21:45:37] <jim> immortal2, do you have a memory tester installed?
• 2277[21:45:59] <immortal2> read someone used debian 9 on a different model and it was flawless
• 2278[21:46:03] <immortal2> I currently do not
• 2279[21:46:19] <jim> (I know this might be harsh, but let;s rule out your hardware as the problem)
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• 2281[21:46:35] <immortal2> windows 10 was running smoothly but i hate windows lol\
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• 2284[21:47:11] <jim> why don't you give it a try? do you have any unpartitioned disk space?
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• 2288[21:47:29] <immortal2> its all partitioned for linux
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• 2291[21:48:21] <alkisg> Did you select the hdmi output in the sound settings?
• 2292[21:48:37] <immortal2> i did
• 2293[21:48:43] <jim> okobogee, sorry but I had to pause, I looked through a mirror list, and I couldn't find any that were still working; looked for canadian mirrors first
• 2294[21:48:51] <immortal2> kept saying the thing was unplugged lol
• 2295[21:49:13] <okobogee> jim: me neither, good thing I decided to have a coffee, try Tor, and ultimately find a blacklist on the netblock in a firewall table
• 2296[21:49:26] <okobogee> success \o/ thanks for your help
• 2297[21:49:41] <jim> okobogee, welcome
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• 2299[21:50:08] <jim> to debian ftp mirror people, you need to look into this :)
• 2300[21:50:09] <immortal2> even linux mint would free from time to time... ubuntu 17.10 not so much
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• 2302[21:51:29] <jim> immortal2, how large is the hd you have?
• 2303[21:51:36] <immortal2> 1TB
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• 2305[21:51:57] <jim> any chance you could free like 20g?
• 2306[21:52:13] <immortal2> not unless i reinstall
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• 2308[21:52:19] <jim> are you using lvm?
• 2309[21:52:26] <immortal2> no
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• 2311[21:53:05] <jim> any spare drives laying around? if no, could you get one?
• 2312[21:53:51] <immortal2> none laying around :( im just thinking of wiping my drive anyways but cant do much till a day off
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• 2314[21:55:04] <jim> I'd suggest getting (say) a 500g drive you could put in there... then you don't need to wipe unless you want to
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• 2316[21:55:51] <jim> maybe you want to save your /home
• 2317[21:55:53] <immortal2> it doesnt bother me much. i havent installed much really
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• 2320[21:56:10] <RoyK> jim: guess you can get those off ebay for a dime or two
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• 2322[21:56:42] <jim> well then maybe you could split one of those partitions, you must have a lot of free space
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• 2356[22:17:05] <MolnarMilan> hello
• 2357[22:17:12] <MolnarMilan> I recently bought a DZ09 smart watch and, me being me, want to tinker with it. All the research I've done points to needing MTK Resource Editor to mod this watch. Which is fine, but there's a slight problem: I'm a Linux user. I don't have any computers with Windows and would prefer not to use Wine for a program of this sort.
• 2358[22:17:12] <MolnarMilan> Does anyone know of an alternative program to do what MTK does that runs natively under Linux? And a flasher for the watch that runs under Linux too while I'm at it.
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• 2361[22:18:40] <okamis_> Hello, need help with running tigervnc on my server. The client host is a windows pc. error message: unable to connect to socket. connection refused 10061.
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• 2363[22:19:29] <MolnarMilan> okamis hi do you open specified port on your server such as 10061?
• 2364[22:20:18] <okamis_> MolnarMilan: No port specified so it uses 5901
• 2365[22:20:36] <MolnarMilan> what is your server type? debian or rhel?
• 2366[22:20:47] <okamis_> debian
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• 2368[22:21:18] <okamis_> I used the package tiger standalone server. If that is the correct package.
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• 2370[22:22:29] <MolnarMilan> Your server is not running on that port, or is blocking access. Check your settings and make sure you don't have a firewall that is blocking things.
• 2371[22:23:10] <okamis_> MolnarMilan: its on my local network so there shouldnt be any firewalls blocking
• 2372[22:23:49] <okamis_> Ahh, sorry its Connection refused (10061)
• 2373[22:24:00] <okamis_> So that is most likely an error code.
• 2374[22:24:17] <MolnarMilan> do you try vncserver -localhost no
• 2375[22:24:19] <MolnarMilan> ?
• 2376[22:24:38] <okamis_> $vncserver -localhost no
• 2377[22:24:46] <MolnarMilan> Easily identified by sudo netstat -tpln
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• 2380[22:25:33] <okamis_> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5902 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 21697/Xtigervnc
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• 2382[22:25:46] <okamis_> Ahh, that seems to wokr
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• 2384[22:26:12] <okamis_> But I only got a grey screen
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• 2389[22:26:45] <MolnarMilan> do you want to set geometry option?
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• 2392[22:26:52] <RoyK> MolnarMilan: try ss next time - netstat is out now ;)
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• 2395[22:27:09] <okamis_> MolnarMilan: Not sure what the geometry is, this is the first time im touching vnc
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• 2400[22:27:53] <RoyK> okamis_: that message to MolnarMilan was for you...
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• 2402[22:28:26] <okamis_> RoyK: Haha, I just tried the ss and was going to go: thank you for the tips
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• 2404[22:30:42] <RoyK> better pipe ss through cat -A | it uses a lot of tabs/spaces
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• 2413[22:32:41] <okamis_> Reading some guides I realise I dont have x0vncserver, but only tigervncserver. Is that why I do not see my display?
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• 2416[22:33:31] <RoyK> okamis_: seems to be the same thing
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• 2418[22:33:57] <RoyK> okamis_: I just use x11vnc and novnc in front
• 2419[22:34:26] <okamis_> What does that mean?
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• 2426[22:35:36] <okamis_> Im under the impression that vncserver starts its own session. While x0vncserver is what a user would see on its physical monitor
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• 2446[22:51:13] <okamis_> RoyK: Uninstalled tigervnc and installed x11vnc, and it all works.
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• 2451[22:57:24] <RoyK> :)
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• 2477[23:16:08] <Li> how does debian updates its date/time automatically from internet using GUI? could that be done from terminal command?
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• 2479[23:16:32] <Li> I've checked but thers is no ntp installed
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• 2494[23:26:08] <awal1> Li, check timedatectl
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• 2500[23:33:22] <grantwu> replaced-url
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• 2515[23:44:45] <grantwu> Is that normal?
• 2516[23:44:49] <grantwu> replaced-url
• 2517[23:48:45] <Li> thanks awal1
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