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• 3[00:00:26] <kale> i usually only create xorg.conf if i need to do something special
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• 6[00:01:02] <somiaj> you don't need one for nvidia anymore, but still you should share what you are using
• 7[00:01:20] <kale> not using one currently
• 8[00:01:29] <somiaj> you had files in xorg.conf.d, you are using those
• 9[00:01:39] <kale> ahh, sorry
• 10[00:02:08] <kale> replaced-url
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• 13[00:03:32] <somiaj> your Xorg.0.log file you shared says you have a ServerLayout defined, on my system that has no config I have (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section.
• 14[00:03:46] <somiaj> I think it is something in your config that is only using the single resolution and not all provided by your monintors edid
• 15[00:03:46] <kale> please reload it
• 16[00:04:04] <somiaj> ahh sorry missed that
• 17[00:04:07] <psichas> plz help, why networkmanager show me this ? replaced-url
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• 19[00:05:26] <psichas> is it possible just don't show name?
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• 22[00:06:46] <somiaj> kale: your log looks very similar to mine which is using nvidia, it could be that your monintor is only reporting that single resolution in combination with your video card, you can define custom modelines if other resolutions are needed.
• 23[00:07:14] <kale> works as expected with nouveau
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• 29[00:09:35] <kale> also when i log out of xfce then the screen starts blinking, like it is switching from console to X and back.
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• 34[00:11:09] <somiaj> it is most likely the display manager reloading
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• 53[00:20:40] <kale> heh, it just says no valid mode for DFP-0:1680x1050; removing
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• 81[00:35:17] <kale> back to nouveau, and now all modes are detected, pretty weird
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• 84[00:36:25] <jak2000> i changed ip, service networking restart not change the ip unitl i reboot why?
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• 91[00:42:25] <jelly> jak2000: because it never meant to. If you want to reapply configuration, do ifdown -a or ifdown of a specific interface, and then ifup -a, or ifup of a specific interface
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• 93[00:43:56] <jak2000> ok, thanks
• 94[00:44:14] <jak2000> other thing how to use cp command for only copy files from a directory to another but only not exist on dest?
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• 96[00:45:39] <somiaj> I think ifdown -a will bring down lo, so I would suggest ifdown ifname
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• 98[00:46:00] <annadane> what's the general recommended way to install the kernel from backports, apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64, or the actual number of the kernel?
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• 101[00:46:57] <jelly> annadane: do you want to use that specific kernel, or any latest kernel from backports from now on
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• 103[00:47:11] <annadane> hm. good question, i'm not sure myself
• 104[00:47:24] <jelly> install both.
• 105[00:47:25] <annadane> i suppose just the latest, i'd like to try solving some graphical issues on nouveau
• 106[00:47:30] <annadane> ok
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• 110[00:47:54] <annadane> but ok, i guess linux-image-arch will track the latest
• 111[00:48:34] <somiaj> I would use the meta-package so you get what limited security updates backport kernels have (which is basically you get fixes when the new kernel makes it to testing)
• 112[00:48:37] * jelly solved graphical issues with nvidia and nouveau by getting rid of the nvidia card
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• 114[00:48:48] <somiaj> you will still have the older kernel around if the upgrade causes problem on your system.
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• 116[00:49:04] <somiaj> jelly: good work, switch to amd?
• 117[00:49:12] <jelly> fuck no
• 118[00:49:13] <somiaj> I like the intel cards in my laptop for 2d stuff
• 119[00:49:17] <annadane> yeah i know i'm probably buying a new computer soon anyway with amd
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• 121[00:49:33] <jelly> just a 3-4 generations newer intel
• 122[00:49:51] <annadane> or intel i guess but i'm sorta avoiding them for ethical reasons
• 123[00:49:56] <annadane> point is not nvidia
• 124[00:50:20] <somiaj> unsure why, in terms of supporting open source, intel is one of the better hardware companies
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• 127[00:50:54] <annadane> it's quite possible i'm misinformed
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• 130[00:51:08] <jelly> ethical reasons are best dealt with by being able to do your work
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• 148[00:55:30] <kale> tried nvidia-driver from backport too, could not detect modes either
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• 155[01:00:34] <annadane> well anyway i guess i'll stay away from backports, i think i'd rather have the better security support
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• 173[01:16:33] <galex-713> Hi
• 174[01:17:06] <galex-713> I switched from KDE back to i3 (because KDE stopped working (and starting at all), but I prefer i3 so I prefer to debug i3 issues now)
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• 177[01:17:19] <galex-713> and for instance, a big problem now is when I close the screen, the laptop suspends
• 178[01:17:30] <galex-713> I’d like to know what to do, config, etc. so that it doesn’t
• 179[01:17:56] <galex-713> because under KDE (and GNOME) I had a control center where I could configure that, but I don’t know anymore where to go
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• 182[01:18:58] <mtn> galex-713: the arch wiki has a good i3 section
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• 184[01:21:05] <galex-713> mtn: but my problem is not related to i3, how could I find my answer there? :o
• 185[01:21:41] <mtn> galex-713: how is it not related to using i3?
• 186[01:21:51] <annadane> by close the screen, do you mean shut the laptop lid?
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• 188[01:23:28] <galex-713> annadane: what is a lid?
• 189[01:23:39] <galex-713> I mean like the thing that rotates around the hinge
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• 192[01:24:14] <galex-713> (I know it’s called a hinge because with me it usually breaks and I have to dismantle the computer to replace it)
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• 206[01:34:55] <timmy> Installed Debian 9 gnome live today. font rendering has been acceptable in gnome environment. just installed qtcreator, fonts are shit. broken and aliased. how can I fix it?
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• 218[01:44:15] <annadane> idk if that's a problem due to debian live or whether that'd also be the case if you installed debian via the usual method
• 219[01:44:23] <annadane> generally you don't install debian live
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• 224[01:46:21] <timmy> annadane: and what could be the problem if I didn't mention it was a live disc?
• 225[01:47:14] <annadane> i have no idea, i'm not *that* smart to be able to actually answer the question
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• 250[02:07:06] <simbalion> Is it actually possible to install nvidia-driver from stretch-backports? Because my system says the dependencies are broken.
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• 252[02:09:31] <annadane> should be possible... if you post your output to paste.debian.net we may be able to help you
• 253[02:09:32] <annadane> !bat
• 254[02:09:32] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 259[02:10:39] <psichas> i want change ID_MODEL_FROM_DATABASE on my link file, what i should write, i dont get this ...
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• 282[02:29:04] <Akuw> hi guys
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• 285[02:29:32] <Akuw> i have a roblem to comunicate with my hone using USB
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• 287[02:29:58] <Akuw> days ago i can, but after some software remove (on debian) it sto working
• 288[02:30:34] <annadane> all right, which software?
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• 291[02:32:49] <tomreyn> this? replaced-url
• 292[02:33:15] <michael2> what does this cron entry mean?
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• 294[02:33:35] <michael2> 59 23 * * * root command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 60 2
• 295[02:33:56] <michael2> does "root" mean the root user?
• 296[02:34:09] <michael2> is that the format of a cron entry ?
• 297[02:34:10] <simbalion> Here is the requested paste: replaced-url
• 298[02:34:18] <michael2> <user> command .... ?
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• 301[02:35:43] <simbalion> Hrm it looks like if I install it from testing instead of stretch-backports, it'll install. Is that safe?
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• 303[02:36:27] <annadane> very probably not
• 304[02:37:00] <simbalion> annadane: hrm, well here goes
• 305[02:37:17] <simbalion> It looks like, at a long glance, that all the packages being replaced are nvidia ones
• 306[02:37:35] <simbalion> and glibc
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• 308[02:37:59] <simbalion> I'm not usually the adventurous type (thats why I run stable), but I really want the latest DXVK heh
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• 310[02:38:20] <annadane> yeah so let's not have the glibc from testing and completely and utterly ruin everything
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• 312[02:38:37] <annadane> i'm sure it can be resolved but i'm not sure how to
• 313[02:39:05] <simbalion> How would that ruin everything? At worst doesn't it mean possibly having to upgrade to testing early?
• 314[02:39:52] <simbalion> oh no more compatibility with new devices and software...
• 315[02:40:07] <simbalion> :)
• 316[02:40:09] <annadane> because a lot relies on glibc and having a mixed system like that is terrible
• 317[02:40:41] <simbalion> I get that there's a potential for disaster, but that doesn't mean it's inevitable.
• 318[02:41:16] <simbalion> If they put the package in backports then it's a reasonable assumption that it should be safe to install, maybe the backports package is just broken in some minor way
• 319[02:41:19] <annadane> it's your computer, if you want to risk it go right ahead...
• 320[02:41:34] <annadane> well i notice you have a lot of entries in your sources
• 321[02:41:38] <annadane> that may be conflicting with something
• 322[02:41:58] <simbalion> annadane: I just find your responses curious because I'm used to hearing from people who blow away their OS installs on a bi-annual basis. Usually I'm the more pragamatic.
• 323[02:42:49] <annadane> when you install foo from testing on a debian stable system you're not just installing that you may also be changing more critical components due to dependencies and end up with a system that's very hard to fix later
• 324[02:43:11] <simbalion> Or a system that has fewer packages to upgrade later
• 325[02:43:18] <annadane> there are obviously exceptions but especially if you change glibc it's bad
• 326[02:43:28] <annadane> ok but i'm telling you what i'm telling you
• 327[02:43:40] <simbalion> so at worst I might have to upgrade the rest of my system to testing, to match glibc
• 328[02:43:58] <annadane> yeah sure i guess, if you don't mind running testing
• 329[02:44:29] <simbalion> lol
• 330[02:44:41] <simbalion> Most of the people I speak to do.
• 331[02:44:43] <annadane> my recommendation is basically to solve the problems you have now without resorting to that
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• 333[02:46:25] <ozfalcon> simbalion, Be aware there is a bug with Testing/nVidia drivers that will halt boot.
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• 338[02:48:41] <ozfalcon> simbalion, There is a kernel command line workaround and apparently fixed in nVidia Version 390.67-2
• 339[02:48:54] <Akuw> i just remove and apt-get remove some packages
• 340[02:49:22] <ozfalcon> Current testing nVidia driver is 390.48 (Causes crash).
• 341[02:49:23] <ozfalcon> replaced-url
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• 353[02:53:27] <Akuw> annadane: what software need i to communicate with phones?
• 354[02:54:05] <annadane> not sure, sorry
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• 356[02:54:40] <galex-713> Akuw: modem-manager-gui? I use it to send smses, but you need a modem
• 357[02:54:47] <galex-713> like something you put your sim card in
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• 359[02:56:02] <Akuw> i am talking to connect with andorid phones
• 360[02:56:09] <Akuw> android
• 361[02:56:15] <galex-713> ahhhh
• 362[02:56:22] <galex-713> adb-<something> I think
• 363[02:56:23] <galex-713> forgot
• 364[02:56:28] <Akuw> because i use android-studio
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• 366[02:56:42] <galex-713> you can find that on replicant.us website I think, it’s the same software used for flashing or doing anything
• 367[02:56:51] <Akuw> galex-713: day ago i only connect but not using adb
• 368[02:58:17] <galex-713> you used a software but forgot its name?
• 369[02:59:14] <Akuw> galex-713: i just installed debian later i configure phone in dev mode
• 370[02:59:19] <Akuw> all was working fine
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• 375[02:59:53] <Akuw> one day i have to remove one thing, i don't remember what, but when using apt-get remove it request to remove a lot of packages
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• 377[03:00:15] <Akuw> after that stop communicating with phome using USB
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• 379[03:00:48] <Akuw> in one google they talk about sudo apt-get install mtpfs
• 380[03:00:57] <Akuw> but that is not in debian repo
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• 382[03:01:57] <annadane> ok so check your /var/log/apt/history.log and check for a long list of removed packages
• 383[03:02:18] <galex-713> oh my god history.log is going to be so much useful to me
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• 386[03:02:55] <galex-713> ah no it won’t
• 387[03:03:01] <galex-713> that log is ridiculously tiny
• 388[03:03:09] <galex-713> ohhh
• 389[03:03:10] <galex-713> it’s rotated
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• 391[03:03:54] <galex-713> damn yes this is magnificient
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• 393[03:04:00] <Akuw> i am checking with zcat
• 394[03:04:10] <galex-713> Akuw: zless is better for this I guess
• 395[03:04:13] <galex-713> I used zless
• 396[03:04:25] <Akuw> using grep
• 397[03:04:32] <galex-713> annadane: do you know also if there’s a way to get the list of manually installed packages?
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• 400[03:05:26] <annadane> apt-mark showmanual
• 401[03:05:59] <galex-713> oh cool
• 402[03:06:42] <galex-713> annadane: btw, I’ve a question… what’s the difference with deborphan?
• 403[03:06:55] <annadane> the difference... compared to what
• 404[03:07:04] <galex-713> to apt-mark showmanual
• 405[03:07:23] <Akuw> damm i have to guess what the heck i need recover
• 406[03:08:03] <galex-713> Akuw: you mean you forgot when you uninstalled your thing, and you (or some graphical software, or some automated installs) did a lot of package stuff so you can’t find it again in the logs?
• 407[03:08:04] <annadane> i'm not too familiar with deborphan but just the package description alone sounds quite different
• 408[03:08:10] <galex-713> ah
• 409[03:08:23] <annadane> "program that can find unused packages, e.g. libraries"
• 410[03:08:29] <Akuw> galex-713: yeah
• 411[03:08:42] <galex-713> Akuw: you uninstalled a lot of packages since then?
• 412[03:09:05] <Akuw> dmesg show the hardware
• 413[03:09:19] <Akuw> [ 2472.407690] usb 2-1.1: Product: LGMS550
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• 415[03:09:31] <Akuw> [ 2472.407694] usb 2-1.1: Manufacturer: LGE
• 416[03:09:47] <Akuw> so the problem is linux cant see the disk on that phone
• 417[03:09:53] <Akuw> filesystem
• 418[03:11:05] <galex-713> what’s this?
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• 420[03:11:26] <galex-713> Akuw: don’t you need to tell android to show up as a disk before?
• 421[03:11:31] <galex-713> I don’t know how to do that though
• 422[03:11:38] <Akuw> galex-713: that is done
• 423[03:11:40] <galex-713> maybe there’s a way from android gui?
• 424[03:11:58] <Akuw> USB configuration, that part is ready
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• 426[03:12:20] <D4rkn3S> hello guys
• 427[03:13:27] <galex-713> annadane: would you know how suspend hooks are managed under debian?
• 428[03:13:38] <annadane> nope
• 429[03:13:47] <annadane> probably udev
• 430[03:13:52] <galex-713> ah
• 431[03:14:13] <annadane> udev rules specifically
• 432[03:14:57] <galex-713> because under kde, cinnamon and gnome my computer avoid to suspend when closing the screen
• 433[03:15:06] <galex-713> but under i3 it doesn’t (same for terminal)
• 434[03:15:12] <galex-713> would you know the daemon doing that?
• 435[03:15:47] <annadane> yeah i really don't know sorry
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• 442[03:22:24] <D4rkn3S> !ping
• 443[03:22:24] <dpkg> Yes, d4rkn3s you are either online or you are not... replaced-url
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• 445[03:23:25] <annadane> that comic is painful and stupid but also funny
• 446[03:23:49] <Akuw> working to fix ...
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• 448[03:27:01] <Akuw> ok, ok
• 449[03:27:07] <Akuw> i installed 2 packages
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• 473[03:31:36] <Akuw> replaced-url
• 474[03:31:44] <Akuw> that is one solution
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• 489[03:39:15] <galex-713> I found something on systemd, it worked, but look ugly to me because seems separated from all the DE things and I will surely forget that I changed something
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• 491[03:39:46] <annadane> write it in a notebook?
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• 493[03:40:05] <annadane> also, what worked, please do tell us so people with similar problems can benefit from your knowledge
• 494[03:40:16] <annadane> damn it they're gone.
• 495[03:40:27] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 498[03:41:36] <SwedeMike> annadane: the only more annoying thing is the original poster replying to their own post with "oh, I fixed it, never mind." without anything further.
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• 501[03:42:16] <SwedeMike> oh, that's just what Galex did, I see.
• 502[03:42:52] <annadane> i think that warrants a ban
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• 537[04:09:02] <catz> hello, is there a way to mount and access a LUKS crypted HD as normal user within i3wm?
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• 540[04:12:13] <michael2> I think you need root to create the mapper in /dev/mapper/<your_mapper>
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• 542[04:12:19] <michael2> so I would say no
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• 545[04:13:12] <michael2> catz: although applications like thunar could do it through GUI - and thats i3 compatible
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• 547[04:13:20] <michael2> without root
• 548[04:13:30] <catz> i have root access but don't want to mount it as root because then i can't run vlc etc. as root
• 549[04:13:53] <michael2> you want to run vlc as root?
• 550[04:14:30] <catz> i want to mount/access the hd as normal user (just like in mate/gnome etc.) so i can run vlc as normal user
• 551[04:14:57] <michael2> you can do that with thunar
• 552[04:15:15] <catz> thunar ok thanks gonna look into that (o:3
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• 557[04:18:50] <michael2> you should prob know, the user which runs command to mount the harddrive with doesn't determine who can and can't read files - the files and directories carry their own - file specific permissions
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• 561[04:21:31] <antto> sooo.. i got .deb files generated from this tool "game-data-packager" - how do i install them?
• 562[04:22:09] <antto> i got context menu in PCManFM saying "GDebi package installer" - this maybe?
• 563[04:22:47] <jeep> antto: you are not using debian ?
• 564[04:22:57] <antto> i surely am
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• 567[04:23:35] <jeep> dpkg is the tool dpkg -i foo.deb
• 568[04:23:35] <dpkg> jeep: I give up, what is it?
• 569[04:24:09] <jeep> antto: and dpkg is also the irc bot
• 570[04:24:10] <antto> i gotta be root i guess?
• 571[04:25:09] <jeep> antto: yes
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• 626[05:13:51] <gkwhc> hey guys, im trying to install debian at the moment and ive set up my disks, etc. getting ready to install the base system but it says instalation step failed
• 627[05:14:21] <gkwhc> dug into /var/log/syslog and it says could not find any live images...any ideas?
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• 640[05:24:48] <annadane> gkwhc, how did you write the iso to your install medium?
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• 642[05:26:04] <gkwhc> annadane: i actually booted from pxe/netboot
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• 647[05:28:06] <annadane> generally the reason for such problems is the image being corrupted because it was written in a way it shouldn't have but i don't know anything about pxe/netboot
• 648[05:29:13] <gkwhc> annadane: is there a certain file it is trying to find?
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• 651[05:29:50] <annadane> also which debian iso are you actually using?
• 652[05:29:59] <annadane> specific files i'm not certain
• 653[05:30:32] <gkwhc> annadane: i followed the installation instructions on the website, using netboot.tar.gz and unpacking it to /srv/tftp
• 654[05:30:43] <gkwhc> boots fine, just having problems installing the base
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• 657[05:32:07] <dysfigured> anybody mind helping me figure out how to properly configure fail2ban? i've read docs and i've made a local.conf but it seems like it has 0 effect
• 658[05:32:27] <apcabc> anyone using debian lxde or xfce ?
• 659[05:32:33] <apcabc> which one you prefer
• 660[05:32:59] <demonblue> apcabc, my mouse always feels slow in lxde
• 661[05:33:26] <dysfigured> apcabc: i personally go for which ever runs better. i've yet to find an old computer that can't adequately run xfce. lxde "works" just fine but it feels half-assed and unpolished
• 662[05:33:28] <demonblue> I prefer thunar over lxde's file manager
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• 665[05:34:02] <annadane> i really wish i could answer you but i'm afraid i don't really know... maybe someone does
• 666[05:34:06] <demonblue> having said that, I'm on KDE now, was just on fluxbox earlier and cinnamon before that
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• 668[05:34:31] <annadane> couldn't find any live images? are you trying to install from a live image, have you tried the regular net install
• 669[05:34:35] <dysfigured> apcabc: fortunately you don't actually have to choose, you can install multiple WMs and DEs along side each other
• 670[05:35:28] <demonblue> what kills it for me is I get video tearing with xfce, with sddm login manager and cinnamon and kde it is all good
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• 672[05:37:26] <annadane> the debian wiki mentions repeatedly how annoyingly tedious pxebootinstall is
• 673[05:37:32] <annadane> so could be a few issues
• 674[05:37:46] <annadane> replaced-url
• 675[05:37:53] <annadane> beyond that i'm really out of ideas
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• 677[05:39:23] <apcabc> demonblue: ok
• 678[05:39:43] <apcabc> dysfigured: it is like 100mb difference between lxde and xfce ?
• 679[05:39:47] <apcabc> memory usage
• 680[05:40:08] <dysfigured> couldn't tell you. try them both and find out?
• 681[05:40:18] <apcabc> dysfigured: ok
• 682[05:40:39] <annadane> gkwhc, this is 4 years old and for ubuntu and as such may not be applicable but it give a hint replaced-url
• 683[05:41:00] <demonblue> I only have 16Gb of ram
• 684[05:41:13] <apcabc> demonblue: that is alot :D
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• 686[05:41:22] <apcabc> demonblue: laptop?
• 687[05:41:29] <annadane> i can't find too much info on this from debian's install instructions
• 688[05:41:30] <demonblue> nah desktop
• 689[05:41:55] <demonblue> my laptop I only have 3Gb
• 690[05:42:11] <demonblue> but that is just for trips away
• 691[05:43:06] <demonblue> I have a 20Gb swap...... why I do not now when I only average 1-5Gb ram usage
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• 704[05:53:53] <annadane> gkwhc, maybe also try this approach replaced-url
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• 710[05:59:44] <gkwhc> annadane: yeah ive successfully booted from the server
• 711[06:00:05] <gkwhc> is there a way to initiate the install script from shell?
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• 714[06:02:46] <tomreyn> gkwhc: you need to read up on preseed(ing) and FAI
• 715[06:03:08] <gkwhc> what?
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• 723[06:08:04] <tomreyn> that i wrote, these are search ferms you could put into a search engine of your choice. ideally one which has an index of the replaced-url
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• 727[06:10:50] <gkwhc> hmm could be a bug, i just rebooted and chose install instead of expert install. or maybe i missed something when it asked to load additional modules..
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• 761[06:40:55] <stochastix> Where is the debian live with kde on it?
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• 763[06:41:56] <somiaj> did you not see the image for kde with the other ones?
• 764[06:42:08] <stochastix> the site says there are flavors, but when i go to amd64 downloads i only netinst xfce and mac netinst
• 765[06:42:28] <somiaj> what directory are you looking in
• 766[06:42:35] <stochastix> its going to be a dvd isnt it
• 767[06:42:48] <stochastix> replaced-url
• 768[06:42:54] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 769[06:42:55] <stochastix> thats where Im looking this moment
• 770[06:43:13] <somiaj> current is the installer images, you need to look in the live images directory
• 771[06:43:33] <stochastix> ohhh, nice , thanks
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• 777[06:45:35] <annadane> is there a link describing the various groups in /etc/shadow?
• 778[06:46:03] <somiaj> /etc/shadow contains usernames not group names
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• 780[06:46:14] <somiaj> it should ahve the same names as in /etc/passwd, but it contains the actual password info
• 781[06:46:18] <somiaj> also 'man shadow'
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• 783[06:47:01] <gkwhc> hey guys, finally got debian installed. however im trying to connect to the internet so i can download more packages...and upon configuring my interface with "ip a add 192.168.0.2/24 enp0s25" it barks back "either local is duplicate, or enp0s25 is a garbage"...any ideas?
• 784[06:47:01] <annadane> okay, but is there a place that describes the various functions of the groups?
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• 786[06:47:18] <annadane> oh i could check the reference
• 787[06:48:04] <somiaj> gkwhc: what is the output of 'ip a', also why not use the /etc/network/interfaces file as opposed to using ip directly (this way you can just use ifup enp0s25, which uses ip)
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• 789[06:48:48] <somiaj> annadane: in general groups can do whatever the admin wants, it is a matter of configuration, but if you want to know debian default groups, replaced-url
• 790[06:49:09] <gkwhc> somiaj: just want to get something quick up and running. ip a shows 1:lo 2.enp0s25 3: wireless interface with a long ugly name :(
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• 792[06:49:25] <annadane> yeah i guess that's enough info
• 793[06:49:29] <annadane> thank you
• 794[06:50:15] <somiaj> gkwhc: hmm, unsure what that error is giving
• 795[06:51:36] <gkwhc> somiaj: im guessing its not recognizing the interface since it spits out the same error if i typed in a random nonexistent interface
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• 804[06:57:55] <annadane> what is the reverse of rmmod?
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• 808[06:59:56] <annadane> i guess modprobe foo
• 809[07:00:34] <somiaj> modprobe -r foo
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• 811[07:02:37] <jim> the reverse of rmmod? insmod
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• 815[07:03:26] <jim> gkwhc, what happens if you run... ls /sys/class/net
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• 822[07:06:11] <somiaj> jim: rmmod shouldn't be used, modprobe -r is best
• 823[07:07:02] <jim> just responding to the question asked :) considered the audience too (except now I see annadane isn't here)
• 824[07:07:11] <annadane> ahem
• 825[07:07:16] <jim> wait, she cane back
• 826[07:07:40] <annadane> oh should rmmod really not be used, ok
• 827[07:08:15] <annadane> ah no i see why
• 828[07:08:38] <jim> probably not... but the actual answer, is that insmod is the reverse of rmmod... then, there's modprobe, which is a tool built on top of them
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• 841[07:19:49] <jim> but insmod and rmmod are ok in and of themselves, and modprobe just adds a dependency layer... such that when you use modprobe, it checks a file written by depmod
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• 875[07:47:51] <annadane> yeah well all i rmmod'dded (sorry) was kvm and kvm-intel and i don't see there being much of an issue in that case
• 876[07:48:00] <annadane> it's a fairly niche module used for only one thing
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• 915[08:37:12] <Linpassion> hello
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• 917[08:38:10] <Linpassion> I'd like to try debian...wichi iso I must download for a laptop with Intel processor 64bit?
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• 924[08:40:29] <annadane> Linpassion, do you have internet access on the machine?
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• 927[08:41:01] <Linpassion> sure
• 928[08:41:09] <annadane> you probably want replaced-url
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• 930[08:42:10] <Linpassion> I see amd64 so I thinks that don't work by intel
• 931[08:42:13] <annadane> of which replaced-url
• 932[08:42:23] <annadane> amd64 has nothing to do with intel, it's just a name
• 933[08:43:44] <annadane> !why amd64
• 934[08:43:44] <dpkg> The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). replaced-url
• 935[08:44:24] <__m4ch1n3__> marketing stunt :)
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• 939[08:46:31] <Linpassion> If I choose multi-arch iso?
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• 941[08:46:42] <__m4ch1n3__> not sure if i understood it right, but looks like amd has harder time fixing spectre/meltdown
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• 943[08:47:21] <annadane> i don't think there are multi arch iso's, the different architecture iso's will only work with certain kinds of processors
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• 949[08:48:20] <Linpassion> Abotu sectre...my celeron is protected from it...Intel script check
• 950[08:48:30] <__m4ch1n3__> multiarch would only make sens if u plan use 1 installation medion on machines with diffrent archs
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• 952[08:48:40] <__m4ch1n3__> *medium
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• 954[08:49:57] <Linpassion> last question than to download programs with dependieces resolving
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• 956[08:50:59] <annadane> in general? apt will already do that
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• 958[08:51:28] <annadane> !newcomer
• 959[08:51:28] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: replaced-url
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• 961[08:51:55] <Linpassion> I...last time apt can resolve deendieces..unable to reach default ftp
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• 963[08:52:15] <annadane> that's probably not a dependency issue but a mirror issue
• 964[08:52:34] <annadane> and if you use the net install you *shouldn't* have problems
• 965[08:53:38] <Linpassion> Thanks
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• 1027[10:00:21] <michael2> hi all. how can I override a systemd service file?
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• 1039[10:12:58] <rephlexie> michael2, whacha trying to do?
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• 1043[10:21:05] <michael2> what Im trying to do is set a service daemon (bluetooth) into a debug state - but I'd like to learn how to do it "properly" so I don't interfere with the packaged bluetooth.service file
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• 1050[10:25:17] <Epakai> michael2: replaced-url
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• 1058[10:30:05] <rephlexie> ^^ what Epakai said, iirc 'systemctl edit' does a lot of the workfor you
• 1059[10:33:34] <michael2> Epakai: rephlexie: thanks, I'll give systemctl edit a try
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• 1074[10:52:25] <wordacc> fossafrica
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• 1106[11:11:16] <sine0> can I overwrite the shadow file with an update hash of a vm which I forgot the password to ages ago ?
• 1107[11:11:25] <sine0> i mean updated password hash
• 1108[11:11:32] <sine0> while it is offline
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• 1126[11:32:21] <sine0> one at a time please
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• 1135[11:40:48] <dutchfish> sine0, i wouldnt do that, why not chroot into it and change passwd, that way the shadow file will follow.
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• 1138[11:41:49] <dutchfish> sine0, assuming both are Debian.
• 1139[11:43:55] <dutchfish> sine0, also see the Debian wiki about lost password
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• 1153[11:57:51] <no_gravity> Is there a good way to run a newer version of Chromium on Debian 8?
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• 1155[11:58:45] <dutchfish> no_gravity, maybe through bpo?
• 1156[11:58:57] <dutchfish> ,version chromium
• 1157[11:58:58] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 67.0.3396.87-1~deb9u1; buster: 67.0.3396.87-1; sid: 67.0.3396.87-1; experimental: 68.0.3440.33-1
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• 1159[11:59:09] <no_gravity> dutchfish: What is bpo?
• 1160[11:59:15] <dutchfish> !bpo
• 1161[11:59:15] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 1163[11:59:38] <no_gravity> dutchfish: How would I use that to run Chromium 67 on Debian 8?
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• 1167[12:01:02] <dutchfish> no_gravity, replaced-url
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• 1170[12:02:30] <no_gravity> dutchfish: So 1) add "deb replaced-url
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• 1176[12:05:18] <dutchfish> no_gravity, hugh, i thought you said Debian 8? Which is Jessie. Debian Stretch = 9.
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• 1178[12:05:59] <no_gravity> But I think I want to install Chromium from Debian 9 because 9 has a newer version?
• 1179[12:06:00] <dutchfish> no_gravity, take a look at /etc/debian_version
• 1180[12:06:10] <no_gravity> I'm running Debian 8.
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• 1182[12:06:14] <no_gravity> Which has Chromium 57
• 1183[12:06:20] <no_gravity> And I want to run Chromium 67
• 1184[12:06:23] <dutchfish> corect
• 1185[12:06:25] <no_gravity> Which is in Debian 9
• 1186[12:06:37] <dutchfish> no_gravity, so you need backport for jessie
• 1187[12:06:57] <dutchfish> (or upgrade to stretch)
• 1188[12:07:34] <no_gravity> Chromium 67 is in jessie-backports?
• 1189[12:07:47] <dutchfish> no_gravity, not sure about that.
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• 1191[12:08:29] <no_gravity> How do I check?
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• 1193[12:08:54] <GNU\colossus> ,v chromium
• 1194[12:08:55] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 67.0.3396.87-1~deb9u1; buster: 67.0.3396.87-1; sid: 67.0.3396.87-1; experimental: 68.0.3440.33-1
• 1195[12:08:58] <dutchfish> no_gravity, give me a moment
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• 1203[12:11:58] <dutchfish> no_gravity, i am trying to do a search in replaced-url
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• 1207[12:12:41] <no_gravity> What if I add this: deb replaced-url
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• 1209[12:12:52] <no_gravity> And then do: apt install -t stretch chromium
• 1210[12:12:56] <no_gravity> Would that work?
• 1211[12:13:00] <dutchfish> no_gravity, dont do that
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• 1213[12:13:14] <dutchfish> no_gravity, you mess up dependecies
• 1214[12:13:31] <no_gravity> Ok. Then let me try the backports thingy...
• 1215[12:13:46] <dutchfish> no_gravity, and if you are lucky, you are actually upgrading to Stretch then
• 1216[12:13:58] <no_gravity> That would be a project on its own.
• 1217[12:14:03] <dutchfish> ay
• 1218[12:14:17] <dutchfish> no_gravity, in any case, make backups
• 1219[12:14:18] <no_gravity> Pff.. that gave me Chromium 57 *again*.
• 1220[12:14:40] <dutchfish> no_gravity, yeh, already was afraid of that
• 1221[12:15:29] <dutchfish> no_gravity, consider dist-upgrading to stable (aka Stretch)
• 1222[12:16:18] <no_gravity> That would give me a monster of an installation.
• 1223[12:16:28] <no_gravity> With a mix of packages from Debian 8 and Debian 9.
• 1224[12:16:42] <no_gravity> A frankenstein installation.
• 1225[12:16:45] <no_gravity> I don't want that.
• 1226[12:18:13] <dutchfish> no_gravity, not if you follow the guidelines for an upgrade (and you current Jessie is sane)
• 1227[12:18:38] <no_gravity> dutchfish: How wold the guidelines help?
• 1228[12:18:47] <no_gravity> dutchfish: For example, Debian 8 has PHP 5.6
• 1229[12:18:52] <no_gravity> Debian 9 has PHP 7
• 1230[12:19:03] <dutchfish> no_gravity, hugh, i thought this was a desktop?????
• 1231[12:19:11] <no_gravity> dutchfish: PHP is just a language.
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• 1233[12:19:19] <no_gravity> Not related to desktop of server.
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• 1235[12:19:37] <dutchfish> no_gravity, nvm, i wont go into that
• 1236[12:19:47] <no_gravity> From experience I know that dist-upgrade does *not* swap out some packages for the current ones.
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• 1238[12:19:58] <no_gravity> So you end up with packages that belong to no repository.
• 1239[12:20:04] <no_gravity> And do not get security updates.
• 1240[12:20:24] <dutchfish> no_gravity, maybe read this? replaced-url
• 1241[12:20:30] <GNU\colossus> you can always remove those manually.
• 1242[12:20:30] <no_gravity> So a dist-upgrade will result in what I call a frankenstein install.
• 1243[12:20:34] <no_gravity> GNU\colossus: True
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• 1245[12:21:21] <no_gravity> I remember last time I did that.
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• 1247[12:21:37] <no_gravity> I was searching for quite a while until I found out how to remove all orphaned packages.
• 1248[12:22:53] <dutchfish> no_gravity, or do an install fro scratch with stable and just bring over your backupped data.....
• 1249[12:22:59] <dutchfish> from*
• 1250[12:23:07] <no_gravity> dutchfish: Yes, that's how I would go about it next time.
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• 1252[12:24:08] <dutchfish> no_gravity, it depends a bit on how difficult your setup is and your needs are, which method cost the less time.
• 1253[12:24:36] <dutchfish> no_gravity, both methods work
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• 1255[12:25:50] <no_gravity> True
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• 1261[12:28:42] <dutchfish> no_gravity, sometimes, i use both methods (virtualized) and make compares, to hunt for bugs.
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• 1263[12:29:11] <no_gravity> What does your girlfriend say about that?
• 1264[12:29:51] <dutchfish> no_gravity, she thinks i am doing a fine job (mst of the time) ;)
• 1265[12:29:58] <no_gravity> Ok :)
• 1266[12:30:45] <psichas> where i could get only firmware-ralink source, not all non-free ?
• 1267[12:30:55] <dutchfish> no_gravity, if you are maintaining a production envirenment, that drill can be usefull, specially if you need to upgrade lots of them.
• 1268[12:31:07] <no_gravity> Ok
• 1269[12:31:43] <dutchfish> no_gravity, but never fly without a safetynet (backups)
• 1270[12:31:54] <no_gravity> Yup
• 1271[12:32:01] <no_gravity> Gotta go now.
• 1272[12:32:05] <no_gravity> Thanks for all the infos!
• 1273[12:32:05] <no_gravity> cu
• 1274[12:32:07] <dutchfish> gl
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• 1281[12:37:13] <dutchfish> psichas, replaced-url
• 1282[12:37:53] <dutchfish> psichas, `dget -x` is your friend
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• 1284[12:38:23] <RoyK> dget?
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• 1286[12:40:05] <dutchfish> RoyK, devscripts: /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/dget
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• 1293[12:42:19] <RoyK> ok
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• 1296[12:43:29] <dutchfish> RoyK, i use it all the time to get sources out of past and future Debian releases, ready to repackage.
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• 1299[12:44:22] <RoyK> ok
• 1300[12:44:24] <dutchfish> (apart form the dependecies)
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• 1306[12:46:49] <psichas> bash: dget: command not found
• 1307[12:46:49] <psichas> dutchfish help
• 1308[12:47:51] <dutchfish> psichas, it is not installed per default you need to install devscripts
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• 1310[12:48:52] <dutchfish> psichas, make a workdir, then dget -x [url of the source you want to grab] see the dev link i gave for the firmware package.
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• 1313[12:49:50] <abrotman> dutchfish: Uhm, are you sure that's what he's asking?
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• 1315[12:50:06] <abrotman> psichas: are you asking to get the source for that package, or just the single package without adding non-free sources?
• 1316[12:50:06] <dutchfish> abrotman, he asked for the source of that package
• 1317[12:50:18] <abrotman> dutchfish: it's a firmware package, there is no real source ?
• 1318[12:50:19] <psichas> dutchfish, i got this ty
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• 1320[12:50:41] <dutchfish> abrotman, as far as source can go with a firmware package
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• 1325[12:51:09] <abrotman> I get the impression that psichas was asking for a download link for the .deb for the package, because psichas didn't want to add non-free sources to their sources.list
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• 1328[12:51:45] <dutchfish> abrotman, maybe i am wrong, but i thik he asked for the source of that package, also see replaced-url
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• 1331[12:52:09] <abrotman> dpkg: tell root about root
• 1332[12:52:16] <psichas> damn i got only package bin
• 1333[12:52:37] <abrotman> replaced-url
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• 1336[12:52:49] <abrotman> psichas: are you looking for the package to install, or the source to build the package?
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• 1338[12:53:30] <dutchfish> psichas, dget -x replaced-url
• 1339[12:53:46] <dutchfish> (for stable)
• 1340[12:53:50] <psichas> abrotman, source
• 1341[12:54:26] <dutchfish> psichas, i have wrong link, hold on
• 1342[12:54:59] <dutchfish> psichas, for stable this is the correct one dget -x replaced-url
• 1343[12:55:01] <psichas> i would like firmware-ralink source....
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• 1347[12:55:56] <psichas> the problem is that im using debian 8 ...
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• 1373[13:11:07] <__m4ch1n3__> firmware is NON-FREE, means propably there is no source ...
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• 1375[13:11:47] <Pr0metheus> I use gnome-boxes with a qcow2 virtual disk where windows 7 is installed. The disk increases in size automatically but when I try to copy a 3GB file in windows 7 from a shared folder this is not possible (small sized files is possible...). Any idea how to overcome this?
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• 1377[13:14:16] <__m4ch1n3__> how big is ur win partition? total, used, free?
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• 1380[13:16:42] <Pr0metheus> __m4ach1n3__ I've set it to 100GB and I have 40GB free
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• 1383[13:17:51] <Pr0metheus> but the real size on disk is less than 100GB it is about 64GB
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• 1395[13:24:24] <__m4ch1n3__> duno, you could try rsync, it has at least progress-status output
• 1396[13:24:27] <__m4ch1n3__> rsync -ah --progress source-file destination-file
• 1397[13:24:48] <__m4ch1n3__> first apt-get install rsync
• 1398[13:26:23] <__m4ch1n3__> you could also "cat file > /dest/path/file"
• 1399[13:26:49] <michael2> rsync can show the size of the files to be transferred with --stats --dry-run
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• 1402[13:27:34] <__m4ch1n3__> wc -c < /dest/path/file gives you size in bytes and you can canncel copy and resume it again with "cat file >> /dest/path/file"
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• 1405[13:28:17] <Pr0metheus> what I understand is that windows (running as a virtual machine) checks the available size and knows that the real size of the disk file is smaller and says that it cannot copy
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• 1407[13:28:28] <__m4ch1n3__> last time used ntfs is ages ago
• 1408[13:28:43] <Pr0metheus> therefore I guess the problem is the variable size disk
• 1409[13:29:00] <__m4ch1n3__> oh you set a dynamic file of 100gb, but you disk has less ...
• 1410[13:29:06] <__m4ch1n3__> :D
• 1411[13:29:10] <Pr0metheus> yes, how do people solve this?
• 1412[13:29:21] <__m4ch1n3__> buy bigger hdd
• 1413[13:29:24] <__m4ch1n3__> lol
• 1414[13:29:36] <Pr0metheus> ah no
• 1415[13:29:56] <Pr0metheus> let me explain with an example
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• 1418[13:31:12] <Pr0metheus> I have a dynamic disk set to max at 100GB, plenty of disk space in my real system, but the size of dynamic disk is not enough to copy a file in the virtual system. If there was a way to change the way it increments.
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• 1420[13:31:16] <__m4ch1n3__> if the windows is virtual machine, set a shared folder where windows can only read
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• 1422[13:31:28] <__m4ch1n3__> and host readwrite
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• 1427[13:31:52] <Pr0metheus> I have set a shared folder , and i try to copy a 100MB file but it doesn't, it copies only small sized files , e.g. 20MB
• 1428[13:32:07] <__m4ch1n3__> then both can access the file and you dont need to make a copy
• 1429[13:32:42] <Pr0metheus> I need to move it to the virtual machine
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• 1431[13:33:47] <__m4ch1n3__> what kind of file is it?
• 1432[13:33:54] <Pr0metheus> a zip file
• 1433[13:34:20] <Pr0metheus> even if I try to extract it from the shared folder it fails
• 1434[13:34:22] <__m4ch1n3__> you can give vm access to path where thje file actually is
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• 1438[13:35:24] <__m4ch1n3__> kvm or virtualbox?
• 1439[13:35:26] <Pr0metheus> I am sorry I probably don't explain this correctly
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• 1441[13:35:33] <Pr0metheus> gnome-boxes (kvm)
• 1442[13:36:22] <__m4ch1n3__> if you virtual vm hdd is 2 smal, you could add a second virtual drive to vm ...
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• 1444[13:38:07] <Pr0metheus> my virtual hdd is 100GB with 40GB empty space, but when I try to copy a 100MB file it says that it can't copy. If I try to copy a 10MB file it works. As it is a dynamic disk the problem is that its real size is 60GB + 50MB (example). So Windows somehow knows the real size.
• 1445[13:38:36] <__m4ch1n3__> yeah but how big is your physical hdd
• 1446[13:38:50] <Pr0metheus> 600GB
• 1447[13:39:01] <__m4ch1n3__> and the partition where virtualhdd file is
• 1448[13:39:12] <Pr0metheus> the same
• 1449[13:39:21] <Pr0metheus> 1 partition for this hdd
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• 1453[13:41:11] <__m4ch1n3__> duno if you not fuked up some vm configs there could be many reasons why writing big file to hdd fails, defect sectors on hdd, defect sectors in ram ...
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• 1455[13:43:44] <dutchfish> psichas, have you tried this on a stock kernel?
• 1456[13:44:04] <__m4ch1n3__> fat filesystem can only jandle files up to ~4gb, but assume win 7 is ntfs
• 1457[13:44:09] <__m4ch1n3__> *handle
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• 1459[13:44:29] <psichas> dutchfish, what tried?
• 1460[13:45:09] <dutchfish> psichas, also, the firmware currently in Debian stable for that card is likely not to work with a kernel from bpo. Maybe check out bpo regularly for newer firmware?
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• 1466[13:46:34] <jak2000> why not work rsync? replaced-url
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• 1468[13:46:57] <dutchfish> psichas, in short. Kernel and firmware for that particular device have to match both.
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• 1470[13:47:43] <psichas> dutchfish, ok
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• 1472[13:47:57] <blackflow> jak2000: missing rsync on the remote side.
• 1473[13:48:36] <jak2000> why not work rsync? replaced-url
• 1474[13:48:38] <jak2000> sorry
• 1475[13:48:39] <jak2000> ok
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• 1477[13:49:18] <__m4ch1n3__> what exactly happens when you copy the file?
• 1478[13:49:56] <__m4ch1n3__> there must some kind of std2 output
• 1479[13:50:02] <__m4ch1n3__> *must be
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• 1481[13:50:47] <jak2000> psichas installed rsync and run again the command, not sync... why?
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• 1487[13:54:46] <__m4ch1n3__> you could also check if rsync fails if the part that was written to disk has same checksum as a part of same lenght from sourcefileflen=$(wc -c < destfile)
• 1488[13:54:59] <blackflow> jak2000: what's the error / output?
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• 1490[13:55:16] <jak2000> no rror
• 1491[13:55:20] <jak2000> only join to #
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• 1497[13:57:16] <blackflow> jak2000: what?
• 1498[13:57:18] <jak2000> how to sync 2 directories? server1 to server 2?
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• 1500[13:58:11] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 1501[13:58:14] <blackflow> jak2000: for example, rsync -vae ssh /src/ dest.server.com:/dst/
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• 1503[13:58:49] <jak2000> need the user on remote?
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• 1505[13:59:01] <jak2000> rsync -vae ssh /src/ user@dest.server.com:/dst/
• 1506[13:59:03] <jak2000> ?
• 1507[13:59:14] <blackflow> jak2000: depends on your local ssh settings
• 1508[13:59:40] <blackflow> jak2000: btw, add -n to that, for dry run
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• 1510[14:00:17] <jak2000> mm strange not work rsync.... rsync -r --dry-run -n --ignore-existing /home/jak/ jak@192.168.0.250:/home/jak/
• 1511[14:00:19] <jak2000> not work
• 1512[14:00:24] <jak2000> better compress and use scp
• 1513[14:00:54] <blackflow> jak2000: are you sure it "not work"? add -v to see what's happening
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• 1515[14:02:29] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 1516[14:02:49] <jak2000> but in the other side
• 1517[14:02:51] <jak2000> its empty
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• 1519[14:03:12] <__m4ch1n3__> it was a dry-run lol
• 1520[14:03:29] <jak2000> remove dry run?
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• 1522[14:03:52] <__m4ch1n3__> yes dry-run symulates only to check if all will be smooth
• 1523[14:03:56] <blackflow> jak2000: yes, dry run is just a test that shows what WOULD happen, it doesn't do anything actually.
• 1524[14:04:12] <jak2000> same
• 1525[14:04:16] <jak2000> removed dry-run
• 1526[14:04:25] <jak2000> and same result :( not copy files
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• 1528[14:04:54] <blackflow> jak2000: did you also remove -n which is dry run shorthand?
• 1529[14:05:16] <blackflow> jak2000: PLEASE consult the rsync(1) manpage to see what the options you're using MEAN.
• 1530[14:05:16] <jak2000> oooo
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• 1532[14:05:36] <jak2000> done my friends
• 1533[14:05:40] <blackflow> and NEVER use commands and options you find online or are told on IRC, without understanding what they do.
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• 1535[14:05:57] <jak2000> yes understand
• 1536[14:06:01] <blackflow> ;)
• 1537[14:06:06] <jak2000> here a friend say use dry-run
• 1538[14:06:16] * jak2000 send 18 beers miller high life
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• 1540[14:08:31] <hassoon> what ?
• 1541[14:09:27] <annadane> drinking, at this hour? alrighty then
• 1542[14:09:34] <annadane> no complaints as such
• 1543[14:09:48] <blackflow> def is_it_drinking_hour_yet(): return True
• 1544[14:10:01] <jak2000> no no not drink.. only i want send a gift.
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• 1552[14:15:33] <wallbroken> hi
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• 1554[14:15:42] <wallbroken> can you help me in how to install this? replaced-url
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• 1563[14:22:42] <p0lyph3m> wallbroken: its written in the README.md , if you scroll down the page
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• 1566[14:23:15] <wallbroken> p0lyph3m, really?
• 1567[14:23:30] <wallbroken> how did you figured it out?
• 1568[14:23:36] <p0lyph3m> yep , under the heading "Install"
• 1569[14:23:43] <wallbroken> i'm kidding you
• 1570[14:24:41] <p0lyph3m> where are you stuck ?)
• 1571[14:25:07] <p0lyph3m> did you add key/repos ?
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• 1574[14:26:27] <wallbroken> yes
• 1575[14:26:33] <wallbroken> but during apt update
• 1576[14:26:38] <wallbroken> it rejected them
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• 1578[14:26:53] <FightingFalcon> well, i run a few websites in my linux server. how do i see the current connections to my server?
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• 1580[14:27:14] <p0lyph3m> wallbroken: so, key is obsolete ?
• 1581[14:27:26] <p0lyph3m> wallbroken: let me try ...
• 1582[14:31:05] <p0lyph3m> yep , GPG signatures dont match ...
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• 1591[14:36:33] <cripcate> Hey guys, so I hava a problem: I use stable debian and at some point I added sid to sources.list for a while. Now I erased that line again and I can't install some packages "You have held broken packages"
• 1592[14:36:53] <cripcate> Is there any easy way to fix this "franken-debian" or am I better off with reinstalling the os?
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• 1594[14:38:20] <abrotman> cripcate: how long has it been like that? weeks? months?
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• 1597[14:38:37] <cripcate> maybe 1 month?
• 1598[14:38:44] <p0lyph3m> cripcate: doyou use apt-get ot aptitude
• 1599[14:38:51] <p0lyph3m> cripcate: ?
• 1600[14:39:16] <cripcate> @p0lyph3m, i used apt-get, but installed aptitude yesterday because ppl said it could help. Still not able to install my packages now tho
• 1601[14:39:51] <abrotman> cripcate: is this a desktop/laptop, or a server?
• 1602[14:40:12] <cripcate> @abrotman, its my main working laptop for universitry
• 1603[14:40:15] <p0lyph3m> wallbroken: the gpg pupkey on the git repo is the same as the one on the weinlein apt-repo
• 1604[14:40:57] <wallbroken> SO? do you have some solution
• 1605[14:40:58] <wallbroken> ?
• 1606[14:41:07] <p0lyph3m> if you run aptitude upgrade doesnt it propose some resolutions ?
• 1607[14:41:52] <Guest41973> hi people. i wrote a program for debian/linux. lightdm+lxde. i configure the sistem to run my application ful screen (on a touch display, hardware is an embedded ARM board). all is good, but start time (from turn on of board till the application is usable) take about 18 sec, and it is TOO MUCH. i already removed all daemon are not needed, recompiled the kernel to make it speed up. all done, but time is still to much. What nex step
• 1608[14:41:52] <Guest41973> ? how to speed up furtermore?
• 1609[14:41:52] <wallbroken> aptitude upgrade?
• 1610[14:41:52] <p0lyph3m> git clone the git-repo and build the .deb manually ...
• 1611[14:41:54] <abrotman> cripcate: Dunno, if it were me, I'd just move the whole system to buster .. It depends how you feel about some things being a little wonky sometimes .. Though, I've been using buster for months without serious issue
• 1612[14:43:20] <cripcate> I think I'll just reinstall my os to be on the safe side. I have split my root and home partitions so all my settings should retain
• 1613[14:44:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1602
• 1614[14:44:04] <abrotman> cripcate: alternately, you could try to remove all the things you've installed from unstable, but that might be a bit tough
• 1615[14:44:07] <abrotman> depending what they are
• 1616[14:44:37] <p0lyph3m> wallbroken: aptitude was for cripcate
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• 1618[14:45:47] <deicide-> how do i make caffeine work?
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• 1620[14:46:00] <dutchfish> Guest41973, have you gave this a good thought? replaced-url
• 1621[14:46:05] <deicide-> my pc goes to sleep in full screen
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• 1623[14:48:18] <deicide-> what was that site for pasting the code
• 1624[14:48:36] <deicide-> instead of flooding the chan
• 1625[14:48:50] <FinalX> replaced-url
• 1626[14:48:59] <p0lyph3m> wallbroken: git clone replaced-url
• 1627[14:49:11] <dutchfish> Guest41973, also maybe this is not what you want to hear, i decreased boot time by half, by carefully configuring systemd on an embedded system i work on and ditching SysV.
• 1628[14:49:13] <Guest41973> dutchfish, yes, systemd-analize report kernel boot time around 2 second, userslace about 5 seconds. but then xorg and other take time. i guess if i can use wmaker instead of lxde or some other tricks
• 1629[14:49:25] <p0lyph3m> wallbroken: cd SleepProxyClient
• 1630[14:49:30] <cripcate> @abrotman, is there any way i can see what packages came from unstable? Or any command with which i can just reinstall all packages, with versions that mismatch from stable?
• 1631[14:49:57] <Guest41973> dutchfish, i did not explore systemd to speed it up, han you point me out some info about?
• 1632[14:50:03] <p0lyph3m> wallbroken: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
• 1633[14:50:06] <dutchfish> Guest41973, maybe, but stat to chart your measurements and decide where the most gain is likely be made.
• 1634[14:50:26] <beepnboop-> replaced-url
• 1635[14:50:28] <deicide-> this is the error i get ^
• 1636[14:51:03] <Guest41973> dutchfish, how to do a good measurement?
• 1637[14:51:13] <p0lyph3m> wallbroken: will give you ../sleepproxyclient_0.7.3_all.deb
• 1638[14:51:33] <dutchfish> Guest41973, replaced-url
• 1639[14:51:34] <p0lyph3m> dpkg -i ../sleepproxyclient_0.7.3_all.deb
• 1640[14:51:35] * dpkg removes a speen from p0lyph3m and replaces it with ../sleepproxyclient_0.7.3_all.deb
• 1641[14:51:57] <p0lyph3m> wallbroken: dpkg -i ../sleepproxyclient_0.7.3_all.deb
• 1642[14:52:26] <Guest41973> dutchfish, ok. i did a mess with uSD, i have to dd it again. later, i wull came back.
• 1643[14:52:39] <dutchfish> Guest41973, measeurement is in the first link i gave, along with further reading.
• 1644[14:52:44] <abrotman> dpkg: tell cripcate about which repo
• 1645[14:53:03] <annadane> dpkg: tell annadane about which repo
• 1646[14:53:14] <abrotman> dpkg: tell annadane about self tell
• 1647[14:53:26] <dutchfish> Guest41973, printk times and process trace along with linux kernel toolkit
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• 1651[14:54:27] <Guest41973> dutchfish, i recompile the kernel to avoin ani "kernel hacking" featore to downsize it and have a faster boot.
• 1652[14:54:39] <Guest41973> recompiled*
• 1653[14:54:53] <dutchfish> Guest41973, bookmark the links i gave, its a good starter.
• 1654[14:55:07] <Guest41973> dutchfish, for sure.
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• 1657[14:56:15] <cripcate> ?
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• 1662[14:56:50] <Guest41973> dutchfish, i see that link. i did all (time, blame, plot) what i miss is the mask, i will do asap. tank you
• 1663[14:57:05] <dutchfish> Guest41973, yw
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• 1678[15:00:43] <deicide-> how do i make caffeine work? replaced-url
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• 1680[15:04:43] <abrotman> seems like something you wouldn't need to be root for?
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• 1688[15:09:07] <deicide-> did without sudo same error
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• 1710[15:29:13] <Peyam> hi, how do I install netbeans on debian without java depenencies
• 1711[15:29:21] <Peyam> I want to do only c/c++
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• 1716[15:35:42] <Tegu> netbeans is written in Java, so you cannot avoid the runtime at least. not sure about Java development tools
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• 1719[15:37:14] <herra> tell me whats wrong when i'm trying to install package, it lacks depencys but i have newer library installed and i'm trying to make 'apt-get install -m..."
• 1720[15:37:17] <herra> now it refuses to install allthough i'm using -m
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• 1732[15:45:11] <tremon> -m is explained as "if packages cannot be retrieved [..] hold back those packages". it doesn't allow apt to ignore package dependencies
• 1733[15:45:39] <stochastix> whats the password for the live CD ?
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• 1736[15:46:48] <tw> it's probably empty.
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• 1738[15:47:19] <tw> ,v firefox-esr
• 1739[15:47:20] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 52.9.0esr-1; experimental: 60.1.0esr-1
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• 1741[15:48:32] <stochastix> its not allowing me to unlock the screen.
• 1742[15:48:41] <stochastix> ill just reboot I guess
• 1743[15:48:45] <tw> Hmm, how much am I going to break trying to install that 60.1.0esr-1?
• 1744[15:48:53] <tw> (on stable)
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• 1748[15:49:58] <tremon> pretty much would be my guess. It'd probably require many packages from unstable to be installed first
• 1749[15:50:09] <tremon> experimental packages target sid usually, not stable
• 1750[15:50:18] <tw> Ah, important to know, thanks.
• 1751[15:51:15] <tremon> btw replaced-url
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• 1753[15:51:34] <tremon> that probably applies to 60-esr as well
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• 1755[15:52:07] <tw> I thought there was a rust-rt in stretch... possibly not the *right* rust-rt =/
• 1756[15:52:24] <tremon> that I wouldn't know :)
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• 1759[15:54:13] <tremon> ,check-backport firefox-esr --fromrelease experimental
• 1760[15:54:15] <judd> Backporting package firefox-esr in experimental→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libnspr4-dev (>= 2:4.19~), libnss3-dev (>= 2:3.36.1~), libsqlite3-dev (>= 3.22.0), libhunspell-dev (>= 1.5), rustc (>= 1.24), cargo (>= 0.25), llvm-4.0-dev, libclang-4.0-dev, clang-4.0.
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• 1763[15:56:19] <tw> the llvm stuff isn't bad, I have a schroot overlay for that. Other stuff will probably cascade into a horde of packages.
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• 1775[16:05:33] <__m4ch1n3__> tw you can dl firefox-dev and run it from local directory
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• 1779[16:07:19] <jhutchins> stochastix: Have you considered searching google?
• 1780[16:07:30] <__m4ch1n3__> im running 61.0.1 development edition
• 1781[16:07:39] <__m4ch1n3__> from local directory
• 1782[16:07:43] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 1783[16:07:56] <__m4ch1n3__> without breaking anything
• 1784[16:12:23] <FightingFalcon> When i type ulimit -n it says 65535 but nginx gives error: 20000 worker_connections exceed open file resource limit: 1024
• 1785[16:12:25] <psichas> error: could not lock config file .git/config: Permission denied with root all works... where problem?
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• 1787[16:13:18] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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• 1791[16:14:28] <__m4ch1n3__> change to directory where your user has write access
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• 1795[16:15:34] <__m4ch1n3__> or "sudo chown -R yourusername:yourusername /path/to/git" to make user path owner
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• 1801[16:21:38] <jak2000> how to copy files from a directory to another but only files not exist in dest dir.... thanks
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• 1815[16:31:06] <tw> jak2000: rsync -av --ignore-existing src/ dest/
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• 1819[16:31:57] <jak2000> thx
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• 1831[16:40:06] <bittin> GNOME yearly meeting: replaced-url
• 1832[16:41:38] <stochastix> debian intaller is not so good
• 1833[16:41:44] <abrotman> stochastix: in what way?
• 1834[16:41:49] <abrotman> WFM!
• 1835[16:42:08] <stochastix> it created the partitions and then failed to install the system
• 1836[16:42:42] <wallbroken> serve side:
• 1837[16:42:43] <stochastix> nothing fancy. Just gave it the whole disk, let it slice it up and it failed install
• 1838[16:42:44] <wallbroken> ValueError: 'fe80::59aa:c12b:e172:2170%enp0s8' does not appear to be an IPv4 or IPv6 address
• 1839[16:42:45] <wallbroken> <Greenlet at 0x7f16fa00fd70: _handle_and_close_when_done(<bound method SleepProxyServer.handle of <SleepPro, <bound method SleepProxyServer.do_close of <SleepP, ("pk(\x00\x00\x01\x00\x00\x00\x08\x00\x01\x00\x00\)> failed with ValueError
• 1840[16:42:57] <__m4ch1n3__> debian installer wirless network selector lacks of select netwerk by essid AND bssid option
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• 1842[16:43:45] <stochastix> Ill try single partition and see how it does.
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• 1844[16:44:09] <__m4ch1n3__> if there are multiple networks with same essid it connects to random bssid with given essid
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• 1852[16:48:45] <Guest41973> dutchfish, i got this Startup finished in 2.019s (kernel) + 4.089s (userspace) = 6.109s. unfortunately, the whole process to turn my all on, needs 17 seconds from turn power on to have the program usable. there are other parts of my configuration i can speed up? i use lighdm and lxde, but they are not a must because all i need is just a graphic enviroinment minimally necessary to run my application.
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• 1860[16:54:46] <stochastix> k, single partition seemed to get through the install
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• 1869[16:57:43] <rounnus_> Hello, i want to ask if anyone know where i can find the firmwares: iwiwifi-3168-26,25,24,23?
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• 1882[17:13:09] <abrotman> rounnus_: did you install the firmware-iwlwifi package?
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• 1910[17:29:59] <wallbroken> how to diable ipv6 on debian?
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• 1919[17:34:55] <peterandre> W: Problem unlinking the file /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin - RemoveCaches (30: Read-only file system)
• 1920[17:35:16] <peterandre> i get this error when running apt get update
• 1921[17:35:48] <peterandre> it seems my filesystem went read only
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• 1923[17:36:04] <peterandre> why would this happen?
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• 1925[17:36:28] <rudi_s> wallbroken: Disable in what way? And what are you trying to achieve?
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• 1927[17:36:53] <rudi_s> wallbroken: Oh, and cross-posting is really rude!
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• 1932[17:40:00] <booyah> wallbroken: I guess this might help echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
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• 1934[17:40:12] <booyah> wallbroken: also make sure in /etc/hosts and places, there is no ::1
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• 1937[17:43:05] <Dagger> ...no, please leave ::1 in /etc/hosts
• 1938[17:44:16] <Dagger> remember that when you break stuff, somebody is going to have to fix it at some point, and figuring out that particular breakage is going to be near impossible
• 1939[17:44:45] <rudi_s> wallbroken: Of course the proper way is to not disable IPv6 at all and instead fix/workaround the program.
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• 1944[17:45:36] <ctrlbreak> Anyone alive in *here*?
• 1945[17:45:54] <ctrlbreak> Trying to learn more about VMalloc and how it's supposed to function.
• 1946[17:46:17] <ctrlbreak> Trying to figure out why vmAllocChunk is *zero*?
• 1947[17:46:53] <rudi_s> ctrlbreak: vmAllocChunk?
• 1948[17:47:05] <abrotman> ctrlbreak: how is this a Debian question?
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• 1950[17:47:53] <ctrlbreak> Okay... so it's not a debian specific question. Recommendations for a channel where it could be discussed?
• 1951[17:47:54] <Guest41973> ctrlbreak, to be alive here does menas to be able to reply.
• 1952[17:48:34] <Guest41973> does not mean*
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• 1956[17:52:23] <ctrlbreak> rudi_s: Yeah, kernel virtual memory allocation. I'm able to set some aside, but according to vmallocchunk, can't actually use it? :-/
• 1957[17:52:33] <Sokomine> i do need some help/ideas, though it's not really debian-specific. trouble is: firefox eats away cpu cycles while idle. just a few percent but it sums up. i don't want that. the only way to get it to become quiet (apart from ending the program) seems to be to send sigstop. however, i need a more convenient way to send sigcont to it once one of its windows is selected again
• 1958[17:53:29] <rudi_s> ctrlbreak: I've no idea what you're talking about, but if you want any answers, some context would help ...
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• 1960[17:55:10] <ctrlbreak> rudi_s: I don't follow. I'm trying to understand why vmAllocChunk is reporting as 0 in /proc/meminfo. That's the context.
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• 1963[17:55:54] <rudi_s> ctrlbreak: Well, that's nice because you've never mentioned that you're looking in the /proc/meminfo output.
• 1964[17:56:10] <rudi_s> Did you check the kernel documentation for the /proc/meminfo file?
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• 1970[17:59:28] <ctrlbreak> Yes? replaced-url
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• 1975[18:00:35] <ctrlbreak> However I can only seem to find definitions for what each value represents. Can't seem to figure out why I can't actually allocate (VmAllocChunk 0kB)
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• 1977[18:01:48] <ellyacht> can anyone tell me how to create a bootable USB of linuxmint using Tails OS?
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• 1979[18:04:45] <rudi_s> ctrlbreak: Well, if the docs aren't enough, have a look at the kernel code and see for what it's exactly used.
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• 1983[18:07:19] <ctrlbreak> rudi_s: Kk... was hoping I'd be able to run into someone on IRC familiar with the topic, but it's starting to look like that's the next step? I think these 0 values just might not be accurate :-/
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• 1987[18:08:26] <rudi_s> ctrlbreak: It's a very specific question so it's difficult to find someone with specific knowledge of kernel internals. I don't know if there are kernel-related channels.
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• 1989[18:08:43] <rudi_s> But yeah, the source code is often the best bet to gather information.
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• 1992[18:09:06] <ctrlbreak> Well... I've started down the research path and was recommended to start in #linux and perhaps #debian...
• 1993[18:09:32] <ctrlbreak> so... thanks for at least the interaction and chat here.
• 1994[18:10:03] <dandar> jk
• 1995[18:11:02] <ctrlbreak> I *think* I've confirmed for myself that those two 0 values from meminfo *can't* be accurate, as I apparently *do* have some vmalloc pages granted to a module :-/
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• 1997[18:11:19] <ctrlbreak> 256 pages it would appear.
• 1998[18:11:29] <ctrlbreak> cat /proc/vmallocinfo | grep 'spl'
• 1999[18:11:30] <ctrlbreak> 0xeff6b000-0xf0075000 1089536 kv_alloc+0xbc/0x130 [spl] pages=265 vmalloc
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• 2178[19:29:34] <Nothing4You> i'm triyng to upgrade a machine from jessie to stretch, however, after adjusting /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} it doesn't give me any updates to install, what could be causing that?
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• 2180[19:30:10] <Nothing4You> lsb_release, /etc/issue, /etc/debian_version all tell me i'm on deb 8.10, sources.list had jessie in it
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• 2188[19:34:21] <Nothing4You> i did apt-get update multiple times
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• 2190[19:34:56] <Nothing4You> oh, nevermind, somehow i just have deb-src entries and no deb entries in my sources.list
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• 2204[19:45:33] <FightingFalcon2> where are kernel errors logged?
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• 2221[20:04:40] <Adude> Hello
• 2222[20:05:13] <Adude> I have a problem with two folders that report "Structure needs cleaning"
• 2223[20:05:49] <Adude> I tried fsck on boot, didn't work. I tried apt reinstall commands and clean commands, no luck there
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• 2243[20:21:50] <nodiscc> hello, I have a nvidia gtx 970 video card (NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 970] 10de:13c2) and followed the instructions at replaced-url
• 2244[20:21:57] <nodiscc> how can I fix it?
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• 2314[21:11:23] <mallxs> on almost new install /bin/systemctl can't find rsyslogd.service but /etc/init.d/rsyslog does work. is that normal or just me ?
• 2315[21:14:24] <Peyam> what are rotated logs?
• 2316[21:15:34] <somiaj> mallxs: you should have systemctl by default, what install image did you use, did you remove systemd for initrc or some other init system?
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• 2324[21:23:52] <blackflow> mallxs: rsyslog.service (sans d)
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• 2335[21:29:02] <fSharp> hello, is there a way to restore file system permissions to their original values?
• 2336[21:29:17] <fSharp> recursively
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• 2346[21:44:24] <ksk> fSharp: no.
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• 2348[21:44:48] <fSharp> sure?
• 2349[21:44:50] <ksk> you can build scripts that copy a existant state and apply that to a cloned system. but without a sane image, no.
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• 2351[21:45:36] <fSharp> ksk, speaking of images, I have auto-created backup images. but I cant find a method to restore files and folders from these.
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• 2353[21:46:06] <ksk> so you have backups, but dont know how to restore?
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• 2357[21:47:05] <fSharp> ksk, yes
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• 2359[21:47:08] <fSharp> they are .img files
• 2360[21:47:15] <fSharp> created by the system
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• 2363[21:48:19] <dob1> hi, I have an old laptop and I would like to install debian and give it to a person that doesn't know nothing about computer. He just need a browser, no more. xfce4 I think is simple enough but the is some simple gui for the updates (notification, etc) ?
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• 2373[21:53:46] <XsiSec> Hi All could someone help me I have hardware issues with 'cannot get freq at ep 0x1' etc see log: replaced-url
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• 2386[21:59:29] <fSharp> so can anyone help?
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• 2397[22:04:33] <blackflow> fSharp: what's creating those img files?
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• 2399[22:06:39] <fSharp> blackflow, my system
• 2400[22:06:42] <fSharp> automatically
• 2401[22:06:53] <fSharp> I mean, the virtual machines are saved as .img fil
• 2402[22:06:53] <ksk> debian does not do that by default, you configured it to do that
• 2403[22:06:55] <fSharp> file*
• 2404[22:07:20] <ksk> so, you have no debian questions, but are rather asking about how to use software XY?
• 2405[22:07:33] <fSharp> no I am asking how to restore img files
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• 2407[22:07:56] <fSharp> probably someone has used some software xy on debian where he needed to do that
• 2408[22:08:26] <ksk> but not in a debian context? you want your virtual machine manager to use a backup instead of the live data? did you try to google that? like "software-xy restore .img backup"?
• 2409[22:08:38] <blackflow> fSharp: yeah but which software? the software that creates those must be responsible for proper storage and recovery of permissions, acls, caps, ...
• 2410[22:08:53] <fSharp> it is xen
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• 2412[22:09:37] <ksk> xen is xen is xen. we cannot really tell you how to do that, as thats dependent on implementation. Id assume the xen packages on debian dont automagicly do that backup kind of thing.
• 2413[22:09:58] <ksk> but you rather build or used something existant to do that.
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• 2415[22:10:13] <ksk> most likely you just have to stop the vm, remove the old image, replace with the old one
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• 2417[22:10:40] <ksk> and start the vm. maybe just move the live image and dont delete alredy.
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• 2421[22:12:35] <fSharp> yeah, I wanted to know if replacing would do it
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• 2425[22:15:37] <ksk> not sure, maybe not.
• 2426[22:15:42] <ksk> why not mount both and rsync?
• 2427[22:16:06] <ksk> never used whatever underlying image you use.
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• 2435[22:22:05] <fSharp> yeah, I will see if it works
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• 2441[22:27:31] <velix> I've posted this in ##networking already, perhaps anyone can answer in there? I've got a question according GDPR. Our corporation hosts a website, it's GDPR compliant. But the nameserver of the domain is running at another host. COULD this nameserver also collect data of the domain's visitors?
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• 2453[22:34:06] <velix> Has been solved
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• 2471[22:57:59] <Nothing4You> i'm trying to do a netinstall with a preseed like this: replaced-url
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• 2473[22:58:14] <fSharp> thank you for your help, ciao!
• 2474[22:58:17] <Nothing4You> it only finds packages from cdrom though during setup, what am i doing wrong?
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• 2478[23:00:05] <Nothing4You> especially did i try to drop to the shell and run apt-install qemu-guest-agent it's unable to locate the package, looking at /target/etc/apt/sources.list it contains only cdrom
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• 2481[23:03:01] <jhutchins> Nothing4You: There's your answer.
• 2482[23:03:13] <Nothing4You> jhutchins: that's not exactly the answer
• 2483[23:03:24] <Nothing4You> my question is why is it that way?
• 2484[23:03:35] <Nothing4You> with my preseed i'm expecting it to use a network mirror
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• 2512[23:20:52] <avis> what's going on ?
• 2513[23:21:12] <Nothing4You> just preseed not working the way i want it to, otherwise silence
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• 2542[23:39:16] <stochastix> Any idea why I would be getting permission denied trying to run the VBoxLinuxAdditions.run ?
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• 2547[23:39:25] <stochastix> Im in the sudoers file
• 2548[23:39:32] <stochastix> I also cant run it as root either
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• 2550[23:39:38] <stochastix> permission denied
• 2551[23:39:55] <stochastix> perms are all r_x
• 2552[23:40:00] <stochastix> 0444
• 2553[23:40:08] <stochastix> 0555 i mean
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• 2560[23:43:06] <blackflow> stochastix: filesystem mounted noexec?
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