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• 22[00:09:29] <uio> What mirror should I choose?
• 23[00:09:45] <uio> I don't get the 'maybe don't choose your country' warning....
• 24[00:09:54] <joepublic> ftp.debian.org is pretty good.
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• 37[00:16:33] <whislock> uio: deb.debian.org
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• 49[00:25:32] <Bjornn> HeXiLeD, that's a lot of steps, and I'm still not sure it's even the right thing, on the third layer of clicks to in plug ins, I don't even know if I'm still looking at a pidgin thing or what. too complicated. I'm too dumb for that.
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• 52[00:26:14] <Bjornn> pidgin belongs in the bit bucket me things
• 53[00:26:17] <Bjornn> thinks
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• 73[00:36:11] <hypn0> maybe you should learn how to use it Bjornn, I like it
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• 75[00:38:10] <hypn0> popular protocols regularly get changed to break programs like pidgin, doesn't mean they don't work
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• 81[00:40:40] <EdePopede> same for video sites. youtube-dl usually gets an update every few days. they want the full control until the information reaches the users' biosensors.
• 82[00:40:53] <Bjornn> is there anything in it that will work out of the box hypn0 ?
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• 95[00:46:44] <uio> If I want to install LXQt do I unselect 'desktop environment'?
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• 98[00:47:02] <uio> Because that option is not in the list...
• 99[00:47:17] <hypn0> it works fine here Bjornn, maybe replaced-url
• 100[00:48:04] <watchcat> if you want to boot to a command prompt and install it yourself. is lxqt in debian repos?
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• 102[00:48:49] <uio> watchcat: Yep. But I see that selecting GNOME, Xfce... are distinct from selecting desktop environment...
• 103[00:49:35] <uio> watchcat: So I'm wondering if I am supposed to now select 'desktop' and then later install LXQt...
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• 106[00:50:28] <watchcat> at command prompt, "sudo apt install xorg <some-desktop> lightdm" should do it.
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• 108[00:50:48] <uio> So, no to desktop environment for now?
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• 110[00:51:01] <uio> And no to print server I imagine.
• 111[00:51:07] <watchcat> you don't really need lightdm if you just startx.
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• 113[00:51:15] <uio> Just yes to sysem tools...
• 114[00:51:16] <uio> ?
• 115[00:51:27] <watchcat> i deslect all of them myself. ymmv.
• 116[00:51:39] <uio> Even system tools?
• 117[00:51:47] <uio> What does that even include?
• 118[00:52:33] <watchcat> i haven't done it in a long time so don't remember. if i ever knew.
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• 121[00:53:30] <uio> Here we go, unselect all...
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• 124[00:54:17] <uio> I'm starting to really like the blue screen.
• 125[00:54:22] <uio> Such a nice shade...
• 126[00:54:29] <watchcat> bsod?
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• 128[00:54:56] <uio> no, of installation...
• 129[00:55:13] <uio> bsoi
• 130[00:55:38] <watchcat> beats that hideous background image i guess.
• 131[00:55:55] <uio> I know, right?
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• 139[01:03:22] <uio> Okay, maybe a simple question, but I'm logged in as a normal user, I have my nice black screen, but would like to install LXQt.
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• 141[01:03:30] <uio> I guess I have to connect to WiFi?
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• 143[01:03:38] <uio> And then install lxqt core?
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• 150[01:05:07] <watchcat> you need internet of course. i'm wired.
• 151[01:05:24] <uio> watchcat: Right, Wifi?
• 152[01:05:31] <uio> I have no wire...
• 153[01:05:53] <uio> it looks life ifconfig isn't installed.
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• 155[01:05:56] <uio> Hmm.
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• 179[01:18:23] <uio> I'm getting an error message when I try to download anything...
• 180[01:18:32] <uio> I tried iwconfig to connect.
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• 182[01:19:00] <uio> then wpa_passphrase XXX XXX
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• 184[01:19:22] <agio> did you get a DHCP lease?
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• 187[01:20:16] <agio> dhclient -v
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• 189[01:20:55] <uio> there is output
• 190[01:21:01] <uio> ... intervals and ports
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• 194[01:21:53] <uio> then no DHCPoffers received.
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• 196[01:22:05] <uio> Does that mean I'm not connected?
• 197[01:22:35] <uio> I don't know what to do...
• 198[01:23:05] <uio> during install I had to load non-free firmware via usb stick.
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• 200[01:23:19] <uio> Could it be that the machine didn't keep that file and so cannot access anything?
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• 203[01:25:57] <altker128> uio: You don't have access to wired Ethernet?
• 204[01:26:20] <altker128> uio: Depending on your wifi device, you have to install the firmware from the non-free repo, which is a chicken-and-egg problem since you need network connectivity to do that
• 205[01:26:31] <uio> altker128: Don't have it.
• 206[01:26:37] <uio> But I have the driver on a usb.
• 207[01:26:46] <uio> Is there a command to access a nd install it.
• 208[01:26:53] <uio> the firmware I mean.
• 209[01:27:03] <uio> I used it during the install process.
• 210[01:27:31] <vash2511> jhutchins, solved my zsh issue
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• 212[01:28:37] <agio> ip a should show you if your interface has an ip address
• 213[01:29:05] <altker128> uio: dpkg -i .deb file if you have the firmware. You have to mount your USB pen drive if you're not running a DE that does that for you
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• 218[01:32:42] <agio> uio did you iwconfig command to associate to the acess point work? if yes, then the kernel possesses necessary drivers/firemware for you wifi adapter
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• 220[01:33:32] <uio> How do I mount the usb to install the firmware?
• 221[01:34:01] <uio> agio: I tried, but ip a gives a link/loopback of 00:00:00...............
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• 223[01:36:29] <uio> altker128: Also it is a ucode, not a .deb file....
• 224[01:36:48] <agio> loopback is a virtual interface mapped back to your own host - completely unrelated to what you are trying to do
• 225[01:37:38] <altker128> uio: You need to use dmesg to look at what the kernel sees your USB device as (i.e. sda or sdb or sdc) and then use a mount command to mount the relevant partition to a mount-point ; this is assuming your desktop environment isn't doing that for you
• 226[01:37:48] <agio> what happens when you run iwconfig INTERFACE ?
• 227[01:37:56] <uio> dmseg - command not available
• 228[01:38:12] <joepublic> it's spelled dmesg
• 229[01:38:50] <uio> joepublic: My bad....
• 230[01:39:07] <joepublic> iirc only root can dmesg by default.
• 231[01:40:10] <uio> mount /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 give a message 'impossible de trouver..... dans /etc/fstab
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• 235[01:40:46] <altker128> mkdir /mnt/usb
• 236[01:40:53] <altker128> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb
• 237[01:41:08] <altker128> proabably need to put a sudo in front if you're not root
• 238[01:41:30] <agio> wait, do we even know if uio needs to install firmware package or not?
• 239[01:42:26] <bzed> agio: there wouldn't be a /dev/sdb1 if firmware would be necessary
• 240[01:42:42] <joepublic> simpler perhaps to have installed (some other desktop environment) and boot into it, then install the desired one
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• 242[01:43:02] <altker128> agio: We don't know
• 243[01:43:18] <altker128> Or use a USB/Ethernet adaptor or anything else
• 244[01:43:33] <altker128> Or...install using the 4GB+ ISO which should have almost everything needed inside
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• 247[01:46:13] <agio> uio can you please verify if you need the firmware/drivers or not?
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• 296[02:20:55] <altker128> Or just get the gargantuan 4GB ISO and be ready to rumble
• 297[02:21:19] <watchcat> yep.
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• 324[02:30:34] <rant> if you have a high speed connection and arent constrained for space 4gb really isnt that much anymore
• 325[02:31:00] <rant> where it could however become a problem is if you are bandwidth limited
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• 328[02:31:21] <rant> downloading stuff you may not need and that may be out of date and need downloaded again anyhow
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• 374[03:02:04] <infinisil> Hey everybody, I'm coming from NixOS, which uses static uids/gids for a lot of services. I've heard that debian also does this, is this true?
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• 381[03:04:08] <infinisil> I'm really asking because I'm looking for good reasons for doing this. I know it's convenient when you load a backup from somewhere else (NixOS actually keeps a stateful mapping from names -> uids/gids in /var/lib/nixos, so assuming you also restore that directory, you'll get the same ids for everything)
• 382[03:04:45] <altker128> infinisil: I don't think depending on static UID/GID mappings is a good idea
• 383[03:04:54] <infinisil> If you wouldn't have this, you'd need to fix permissions manually. But I feel like that's almost to be expected, similarly how you need to fix it for data you move between systems.
• 384[03:05:23] <altker128> infinisil: Using something like LDAP/Kerberos can keep all users of various systems in sync
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• 387[03:05:50] <infinisil> altker128: I feel the same way, and I wish to get rid of this static mapping for NixOS because of that. I'm hoping to find some convincing reason this absolutely cannot be remove
• 388[03:05:53] <infinisil> d
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• 392[03:07:09] <altker128> Just checked out NixOS. Certainly some interested ideas there. What was your experience using it?
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• 395[03:07:48] <borrougagnou> hi ! I have a weird problem, I updated to the new kernel of "debian backports" (because my driver need debian backport for working), but now, when I launch vmware, something weird appear, my XFCE4 bug a lot !
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• 397[03:08:13] <infinisil> altker128: Well, I'm still using it now after almost 2 years, and I have absolutely no intention to ever switch the distro again. A lot of stuff is so much simpler and convenient. But there are also some bumpy things and a steep learning curve. I can definitely recommend it
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• 405[03:10:01] <borrougagnou> how say.... that's a picture about this bug (don't care about my command test): replaced-url
• 406[03:11:03] <borrougagnou> when I move my mouse, element appear, but its weird, I absolutely don't know what search on google, and absolutely don't know how to fix that
• 407[03:11:05] <infinisil> altker128: Feel free to ask anything about it in #nixos if you're interested ;)
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• 409[03:12:08] <borrougagnou> if someone can help-me I won't refuse
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• 416[03:14:00] <n4dir> somewhere in the xfce4-settings you can make windows-not-show-content while moving. Might be worth a try, though sure as a workaround. borrougagnou
• 417[03:14:20] <n4dir> i recall i had that too, probably with VirtualBox. But i don't remember more.
• 418[03:14:52] <snowgoggles> borrougagnou: new vmware workstation install?
• 419[03:15:30] <borrougagnou> no old, but I needed to install a new linux header image
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• 423[03:16:50] <snowgoggles> borrougagnou: happening on all vm guests?
• 424[03:17:06] <VLMC> cef: hi
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• 426[03:17:17] <cef> VLMC: :P
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• 431[03:18:56] <borrougagnou> nothing they work correctly (just bug with 1 desktop since long time (replaced-url
• 432[03:19:27] <borrougagnou> this bug it's same, I don't know how to resolve this bug without recreate a new user
• 433[03:19:39] <borrougagnou> *it isn't same
• 434[03:20:30] <borrougagnou> but less annoying than my beug with my real desktop
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• 443[03:23:09] <cef> borrougagnou: so the first pic you posted looked like the screen isn't rendering properly.
• 444[03:24:24] <snowgoggles> borrougagnou: update the open-vm-tools in the guest
• 445[03:24:26] <borrougagnou> cef: yes
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• 447[03:25:02] <borrougagnou> snowgoggles: why? it's already updated with the latest version of VMWare
• 448[03:25:44] <snowgoggles> borrougagnou: vmware and open-vm-tools not the same thing
• 449[03:26:29] <borrougagnou> open-vm-tools isn't the driver for vm ?
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• 456[03:30:49] <borrougagnou> that ?: replaced-url
• 457[03:31:31] <borrougagnou> snowgoggles
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• 459[03:32:34] <snowgoggles> borrougagnou: you say the prob is with a single guest vm correct? and it's a debian guest?
• 460[03:33:28] <borrougagnou> what problem you mean ? the grey screen into VM ? or my screen rendering problem?
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• 462[03:34:12] <snowgoggles> borrougagnou: that screenshot of vmware gui is for windows vm guest tools only. open-vm-tools is the method for vmware linux guest tools install for a few years now
• 463[03:34:31] <borrougagnou> what??? no !!!
• 464[03:35:13] <snowgoggles> borrougagnou: google it if you don't believe me
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• 466[03:36:14] <borrougagnou> if it's only for windows, Why I have a tar.gz file with a lot of vm tools + compile and work with debian ?
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• 470[03:36:53] <borrougagnou> + why VMware say me I can "reinstall" vmware tool not "install"
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• 473[03:38:25] <snowgoggles> borrougagnou: google is your friend at this point. sorry i haven't been able to help. perhaps try #vmware channel
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• 475[03:38:52] <borrougagnou> okay that's for my VM problem, not for my rendering problem
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• 479[03:39:23] <Aebian> unable to chmod a file as root. When checking with getfacl it returns as owner root. Anything else I can try?
• 480[03:42:31] <borrougagnou> atm, my real problem is my xfce4 rendering in my real screen
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• 487[03:52:05] <snowgoggles> Aebian: use chown -->replaced-url
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• 490[03:55:53] <borrougagnou> anybody?
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• 496[04:02:51] <whislock> Aebian: What are you -trying- to do?
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• 498[04:04:05] <Aebian> I just tried to chmod a file, thats all
• 499[04:04:45] <Aebian> which for some reason didn't work
• 500[04:05:29] <n4dir> Aebian: for the fun i searched the web, and it gives lsattr which might show the i (immutable) flag, but i sure got no clue about it.
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• 502[04:05:54] <Aebian> already checked that and flag wasn't set
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• 504[04:06:07] <Aebian> but it seems solved now
• 505[04:06:15] <n4dir> yeah, i thought so, hence said nothing first. feeling dumb now :-)
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• 512[04:11:34] <rwp> Aebian, If that happens again you might try adding -v to chmod to be verbose about what it is doing. But I have never seen chmod not do what it was told to do.
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• 516[04:14:33] <borrougagnou> replaced-url
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• 519[04:14:50] <Aebian> ah yes thanks for the hint rwp
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• 525[04:20:28] <temple48> very impressed with how fast debian 9.6 (xfce, nonfree iso) is performing on this old circa 2011 Dell laptop... this thing was unusable on Windows 7 and for some reason Fedora was slower too even with lxde/xfce as the wm, maybe it was because they were on top of a gnome base install. anyway, kudos, this is working out nicely
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• 539[04:30:27] <borrougagnou> :/
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• 542[04:32:10] <borrougagnou> temple48 do you have successfully fix the brightness problem with your laptop and xfce4 ?
• 543[04:32:35] <annadane> xfce for me is actually kinda slowish, may be time for a hardware change
• 544[04:32:46] <annadane> (not, of course, xfce's fault)
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• 547[04:33:33] <borrougagnou> annadane, maybe you can found what eat a lot of ram into htop / top
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• 555[04:35:29] <temple48> borrougagnou: what brightness problem? I don't seem to have any issues with basic use of increasing or decreasing the brightness
• 556[04:36:00] <borrougagnou> My dell hotkey don't work
• 557[04:36:36] <borrougagnou> so I would like to know if you have installed something for that or you have manually mapped each key
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• 560[04:40:32] <borrougagnou> temple48
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• 566[04:47:47] <velix> Oh dear ... much (very much) of the Debian wiki is still in wheezy state.
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• 571[04:49:57] <annadane> yeah... :/
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• 573[04:50:05] <Aebian> I have attached another disk to my guest with 200GB. But it is not showing und fdisk. I even restarted the system. Anu thing I missed?
• 574[04:50:14] <Aebian> *on
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• 576[04:51:46] <Aebian> sata0 is my system drive and gets detected just fine. However the HDD with 200GB (sata1) doesn't
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• 589[05:03:50] <rwp> Aebian, Check "cat /proc/partitions" and if not there look in "dmesg" or "less /var/log/boot" to see if there are error mesages.
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• 605[05:34:04] <Aebian> thanks fior the hint. I'm blind omg. Okay disk is attached as /dev/sdb thanks
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• 609[05:36:26] <rwp> Good! :-)
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• 654[06:22:56] <jonsmith1982> Hi all, Recently started using Slax, What app can I use to check what keyboard layout settings I need to use withiut having to restart x all the time?
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• 657[06:25:22] <xgpt> is there a way to load the debian netinst image from USB ENTIRELY to RAM and then UNMOUNT said USB so that I might install debian TO THAT USB?
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• 675[06:51:12] <rwp> xgpt, Yes there is a way. The Debian Banana Pi installation does that. However I myself do not know the techiniques of building such an installer.
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• 679[06:52:18] <rwp> jonsmith1982, Based upon Debian is not the same as Debian. Regardless of that, why would you need to do anything with keyboard settings?
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• 683[06:55:01] <jonsmith1982> rwp, the # key is not assigned properly, there are others too I am sure
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• 689[06:57:54] <rwp> jonsmith1982, In Debian the keyboard configuration is stored in /etc/default/keyboard and may be reconfigured with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
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• 691[06:58:28] <jonsmith1982> rwp, thanks, will give it a try.
• 692[06:58:58] <rwp> Hopefully it is simply that your XKBLAYOUT config isn't matching your hardware.
• 693[06:59:02] <rwp> Good luck!
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• 840[09:13:58] <SanchoPensa> Hey guys! I am on the look for a decent pic database and viewer, what wuld yo recommend?
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• 846[09:16:35] <at0m> SanchoPensa: what desktop do you use?
• 847[09:17:11] <at0m> using gwenview with KDE. not sure what you see as "decent"
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• 852[09:20:19] <SanchoPensa> at0m: xfce, but the desktop is rather not the issue...
• 853[09:20:53] <SanchoPensa> at0m: i was using gwenview for a long time, but it is not a database in the actual sense. Or at least not a searchable one...
• 854[09:21:06] <at0m> SanchoPensa: i know, but some viewer like gwenview may pull in loads of extra depends, while others (feh?) do not
• 855[09:21:48] <at0m> so that depends on the desktop you're running, which may or may not have many of these depends already installd
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• 858[09:22:15] <SanchoPensa> at0m: it does... LOTS of K-libs, 220mb, as a matter of fact. But yet again, no the issue, I will install gnome, kde, whatever libs, if the result resembles the desired one...
• 859[09:22:52] <SanchoPensa> s, you wouldn't know of any actual database too, right...?
• 860[09:24:39] <SanchoPensa> imgSeek, maybe...?
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• 862[09:26:04] <SanchoPensa> shotwell!
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• 876[09:35:20] <SanchoPensa> at0m: DigiKam it is! Definitely DigiKam!
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• 895[09:59:45] <at0m> SanchoPensa: glad you found one of your liking =)
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• 897[10:00:50] <SanchoPensa> at0m: hehe, thanks m8! :)
• 898[10:00:59] <SanchoPensa> and thanks for your thoughts, appreciate it!
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• 1028[11:41:17] <premoboss> hello all. I am setting up a kiosk on a embedded arm board, with a touchscreen and a minimalistic web browser (xombrero) to access to wikipedia. The system is quite well responsive (xombrero is VERY light compared to firefox or chromium)) but the problem I am facing now is that i miss a virtual keyboard to input data into search box. there is a way to "pop up" a virtual keyboard (external program is ok) whe i click into text box
• 1029[11:41:17] <premoboss> and disappear aftery i installed the "foo text" to search?
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• 1146[13:22:32] <nidhoegger> hi. I want to have an X Server without a Desktop Environment. I have done this before, but this time I dont have keyboard input. I start a Program using .xinitrc, the user is in the input group, evdev is loaded and the xorg-server-input-all package is loaded, also the XOrg.log shows that the keyboard is reckognized
• 1147[13:22:45] <nidhoegger> what am I missing? If you need any additional infos I am happy to provide them!
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• 1158[13:28:13] <abrotman> nidhoegger: which packages did you install? 'xorg' ?
• 1159[13:28:21] <traumschule> a debian installer offered me to repartition my external drive instead of the internal and i didn't notice. the partition header got overwritten it seems. now i want to restore the partition table and the luks partition. i found /etc/lvm in a backup and an article that describes how to do it. replaced-url
• 1160[13:28:37] <traumschule> is there anyone with a better idea?
• 1161[13:29:03] <abrotman> "Make a backup of the partition before you attempt to restore it" ?
• 1162[13:29:34] <nidhoegger> abortman: xorg-server and xorg-server-input-all
• 1163[13:29:34] <traumschule> that would be a dd of all three TB
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• 1165[13:29:56] <traumschule> abrotman: anything else?
• 1166[13:30:02] <abrotman> nidhoegger: 'xorg' ?
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• 1168[13:30:29] <abrotman> traumschule: Only that the article is from 2009, and good luck :(
• 1169[13:30:41] <nidhoegger> sorry abortman, meant xserver-xorg
• 1170[13:30:49] <traumschule> the partition header already got overwritten so i'm not sure how a backup of the unaccessible encrypte data would help
• 1171[13:31:05] <abrotman> nidhoegger: yes, I'm suggesting you install 'xorg'
• 1172[13:31:06] <traumschule> yes, probably as old as replaced-url
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• 1174[13:31:17] <abrotman> traumschule: because you can try to restore it more than once ?
• 1175[13:31:26] <nidhoegger> abortman, this will only add some font stuff
• 1176[13:31:46] <abrotman> nidhoegger: keyboard works at console?
• 1177[13:32:07] <nidhoegger> yes
• 1178[13:32:09] <traumschule> maybe i should read more what pvcreate actually changes on disk
• 1179[13:32:13] <nidhoegger> and it works when starting Xorg as root
• 1180[13:32:20] <nidhoegger> so I guess its some permissions problem
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• 1182[13:32:39] <nidhoegger> user is in "input" group, Xorg log detects and adds keyboard, the device in /dev/input has "input" as group
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• 1184[13:33:07] <abrotman> but no errors about permissions in the logs?
• 1185[13:33:13] <nidhoegger> no
• 1186[13:33:34] <abrotman> there are a few "xkb" packages .. are the installed as well?
• 1187[13:34:00] <traumschule> abrotman: the header got overwritten already, so i can overwrite it as often as i want without harm :)
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• 1189[13:34:12] <abrotman> traumschule: okay, your call
• 1190[13:34:18] <traumschule> wish me luck!
• 1191[13:34:20] <nidhoegger> abortman, the input-kbd is installed
• 1192[13:34:38] <traumschule> ha
• 1193[13:34:48] <nidhoegger> replaced-url
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• 1195[13:36:48] <traumschule> interesting way to read that nick
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• 1197[13:37:25] <abrotman> traumschule: happens often enough, my client highlights on it ..
• 1198[13:37:35] <abrotman> apparently "abr<tab>" is hard :)
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• 1200[13:38:23] <abrotman> nidhoegger: This may sound silly, but can you run 'xev' to record events to see what's going on ? (i realize this may be hard without a kb)
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• 1203[13:38:41] <nidhoegger> abortman, i will and see what happens
• 1204[13:38:48] <abrotman> and it continues ...
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• 1209[13:41:02] <nidhoegger> abortman, no output on the console
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• 1211[13:41:38] <nidhoegger> xinput reports that a keybaord is present
• 1212[13:41:40] <whislock> nidhoegger: You keep spelling his nick wrong...
• 1213[13:42:08] <nidhoegger> oh shit, i am sorry
• 1214[13:42:45] <nidhoegger> abrotman, xev does not register any event, however, xinput show me that the keybaord is not reckognized, here is the output, its only a sleep button: replaced-url
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• 1216[13:43:37] <nidhoegger> note that the keybaord has a touchpad on it, thats why its also registered as a mouse
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• 1222[13:50:12] <abrotman> xev sees nothing, but xinput sees the kb ?
• 1223[13:50:37] <abrotman> what are the 'groups' for your UID?
• 1224[13:53:00] <traumschule> my logic was flawed. the VG resided in a luks container so the PV is /dev/mapper/name. unfortunately i don't know the first sector and need to search for the start of the luks partition. no idea how except searching for LUKS with hexedit so far.
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• 1226[13:53:44] <traumschule> (did that already and only found the new partitions created by the installer)
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• 1230[13:55:10] <traumschule> 'pvcreate --uuid' seems to expect the id of the unlocked device in /dev/mapper in this case which is hard to recover i guess.
• 1231[13:57:14] <traumschule> i could try to use my brain to get the sector because i know the drive size and the backup has 'dev_size = 3906523136 # 1,81912 Terabytes'
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• 1236[14:01:57] <nidhoegger> abrotman, uid=1007(foifoi) gid=1009(foifoi) Gruppen=1009(foifoi),5(tty),20(dialout),24(cdrom),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),60(games),100(users),106(input),108(netdev),122(mlocate),1001(smbaccess),1008(maenners)
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• 1239[14:03:32] <abrotman> nidhoegger: can you show the output of 'aptitude install xorg' ?
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• 1241[14:04:34] <nidhoegger> abrotman: xorg is already installed at the requested version (1:7.7+19)
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• 1246[14:05:48] <abrotman> nidhoegger: you said you hadn't installed it earlier?
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• 1249[14:06:06] <nidhoegger> abrotman, i installed it, but as i said: it only installed some fonts (the rest was there already)
• 1250[14:06:12] <abrotman> nidhoegger: ah ok
• 1251[14:06:15] <nidhoegger> i installed it after you suggested it
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• 1253[14:07:06] <abrotman> Do you have an xorg.conf, or you're letting it run on its own?
• 1254[14:07:12] <nidhoegger> i dont have one
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• 1261[14:10:13] <abrotman> can you paste the output of `dpkg -l | grep xorg` ?
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• 1263[14:11:21] <nidhoegger> abrotman, replaced-url
• 1264[14:11:30] <nidhoegger> and btw: thank you for your help :) i really appreciate it
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• 1266[14:12:05] <abrotman> haven't helped at all yet :(
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• 1268[14:12:13] <nidhoegger> you try
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• 1271[14:13:38] <abrotman> you've logged out or rebooted since changing your groups?
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• 1274[14:14:14] <nidhoegger> yes I did, I restartet the whole system to be sure
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• 1281[14:16:40] <abrotman> you could try to run a 'strace' to see what it can't access, but that's going to be really noisy
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• 1283[14:17:57] <nidhoegger> i could grep for important keywords
• 1284[14:18:07] <nidhoegger> but I think uppon probing stuff it gets really much access denied errors
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• 1289[14:19:37] <abrotman> sure
• 1290[14:19:39] <abrotman> up to you ..
• 1291[14:19:51] <nidhoegger> is there a way to tell strace to trace forked processes?
• 1292[14:19:57] <abrotman> have you tried creating a new UID to see if it's just *that* UID?
• 1293[14:20:01] <abrotman> yes, -f IIRC
• 1294[14:20:04] <nidhoegger> thx
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• 1299[14:20:42] <nidhoegger> oh my holy hell what is xorg doing black magic?
• 1300[14:21:40] <abrotman> I'd assume it's color magic, no one has monochrome displays anymore
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• 1304[14:21:53] <nidhoegger> hehe
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• 1325[14:34:08] <nidhoegger> abrotman, i am sorry, my power went off :/
• 1326[14:34:16] <nidhoegger> it seems to be back up again...
• 1327[14:34:33] <abrotman> hopefully it wasn't your fault ;)
• 1328[14:34:51] <nidhoegger> no, seems to be a black out
• 1329[14:34:58] <nidhoegger> all the neighbors complained too ^^
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• 1331[14:37:55] <nidhoegger> i think I found the problem abrotman
• 1332[14:38:00] <nidhoegger> replaced-url
• 1333[14:38:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1335[14:39:12] <abrotman> But your mouse works?
• 1336[14:39:17] <nidhoegger> or not... seems to have no effekt
• 1337[14:39:20] <nidhoegger> yes, the mouse works
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• 1339[14:39:25] <nidhoegger> only the keyboard is affected
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• 1369[15:05:48] <abrotman> nidhoegger: did you try creating a new UID and see if it's the same?
• 1370[15:06:17] <abrotman> I suspect it is, but good to confirm
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• 1374[15:07:24] <Dat> i've upgraded my system from wheezy to jessie and it seems now that it just hangs on bring up the network interfaces i'm unable to ctrl +c it or get out it and it never times out. Anyone know of a fix for this?
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• 1384[15:17:37] <nidhoegger> abrotman, yes
• 1385[15:17:40] <nidhoegger> its the same
• 1386[15:19:02] <tomreyn> Dat: you can boot into recovery (without enabling networking there) and spawn a shell and inspect the situation / logs from the previous boot there,
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• 1390[15:20:57] <brokencycle> Hi folks! I am struggling to connect two laptops to a hidden wifi - connecting to a non-hidden wifi on the same router works without any problems.
• 1391[15:21:43] <brokencycle> One laptop is an old Thinkpad X220, running Stretch, and the other is a Dell Precision, running Buster.
• 1392[15:21:48] <Dat> tomreyn: ...
• 1393[15:21:54] <Dat> hrmmm i meant
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• 1395[15:22:07] <Dat> i think i have tried that and it still hung
• 1396[15:22:10] <Dat> let me try again
• 1397[15:22:20] <brokencycle> On the Stretch laptop, it used to work, but I've installed a few updates since (9.4->9.6, basically).
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• 1401[15:25:05] <Dat> yeah in recovery mode it hangs at LSB raise interface
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• 1409[15:30:40] <manuelschneid3r> why does deb_helper run cmake with CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=None?
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• 1414[15:33:23] <traumschule> Still trying to recover the luks partition. I took the drive size in sectors from fdisk and subtracted the physical volume size in the VG backup. At the resulting sector no header can be found. Did the partitioner overwrite it maybe?
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• 1419[15:37:55] <traumschule> No one here seems to know, will try in the other #debian or is there a better place?
• 1420[15:37:56] <Ooze> I just saw someone run 'sudo !!', which I've never seen before. Does that execute the previous command w/ sudo privs? That's really neat
• 1421[15:38:28] <traumschule> it probably was in a bash?
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• 1423[15:38:59] <traumschule> man bash|grep \!!
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• 1426[15:40:06] <Ooze> Very cool. Glad to have discovered that
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• 1442[15:51:06] <Dat> hrmm it might be easier for me to just reinstall and reload the configs
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• 1449[15:54:39] <shomon> hi, does anyone know how to make a persistent live usb with debian?
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• 1451[15:54:43] <shomon> from windows..
• 1452[15:54:53] <shomon> I don't have a linux computer to start with..
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• 1454[15:55:33] <diogenes_> shomon, try unetbootin
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• 1456[15:58:36] <Old_Dog> or Rufus
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• 1459[15:59:31] <joepublic> I don't have any windows machines, and so don't have authoritative knowledge here, but would either of those programs really make a *persistent* live anything?
• 1460[16:00:09] <joepublic> don't they just copy whatever iso you have to a usb stick?
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• 1462[16:00:26] <joepublic> I honestly don't know, which is why I am asking
• 1463[16:00:34] <shomon> ok thanks, well I tried with rufus and I can make a throwaway one.. I am not sure if then I can use that same usb from centos, to rewrite it with persistence
• 1464[16:00:49] <shomon> by throwaway I mean it doesn't store anything
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• 1466[16:01:28] <shomon> I will try unetbootin.. I have instructions with "linuxliveusb" but it's not been updated since 2015
• 1467[16:01:30] <joepublic> sure, a persistent one mounts part of the usb read/write and keeps settings and user files there
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• 1469[16:02:00] <Old_Dog> replaced-url
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• 1471[16:02:58] <joepublic> again, bootable != persistent
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• 1473[16:03:05] <shomon> Old_Dog: read the first comment :)
• 1474[16:03:20] <shomon> but the other comments in that article have links to other tools
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• 1480[16:06:05] <shomon> sorry so if I have a live usb, I can put debian on it with usb on it by running it and then partitioning the hard drive.. sounds like doing brain surgery whilst playing a sonata..
• 1481[16:06:35] <shomon> sorry I mean by running the live usb, then partitioning it from that live linux to run debian with persistence.
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• 1483[16:07:45] <Old_Dog> …. replaced-url
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• 1485[16:08:47] <shomon> thanks very much!
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• 1487[16:08:53] <Bjornn> hmm. I should make a bootable usb.
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• 1508[16:21:41] <shomon> should it be fat32 or ntfs?
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• 1512[16:22:24] <diogenes_> if it's uefi system then fat32
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• 1520[16:26:04] <shomon> ok just in case..
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• 1559[16:59:57] <Dat> wow
• 1560[17:00:00] <Dat> found it
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• 1590[17:21:05] <jhutchins> A standard install to a USB flash drive will be unusably slow.
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• 1684[18:23:17] <violentE> Hi, I'm trying to install samba and it fails because: "Failed to start Samba NMB Daemon.". There was a lot more so I put it in bpaste: replaced-url
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• 1686[18:23:40] <violentE> *installing
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• 1695[18:32:23] <noln> !whynotpentesting
• 1696[18:32:23] <dpkg> For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see replaced-url
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• 1698[18:32:28] <noln> violentE, ^^^^^
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• 1702[18:33:04] <violentE> thank you but that has nothing to do with the question
• 1703[18:34:06] <violentE> this is a debian problem not kali problem
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• 1705[18:34:14] <noln> !kali
• 1706[18:34:15] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1708[18:34:20] <violentE> kali-linux-full is a package from buster
• 1709[18:35:16] <blackflow> violentE: but you're not installing samba from debian's repositories?
• 1710[18:35:31] <violentE> yes I am
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• 1716[18:37:08] <rkw_inspiron> "<violentE> kali-linux-full is a package from buster" this is not
• 1717[18:37:30] <blackflow> violentE: perhaps try #debian-next on OFTC, as that samba is from buster and they might have more insight
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• 1719[18:37:45] <blackflow> *that version of
• 1720[18:38:02] <violentE> oh I'm sorry its qubes not debian
• 1721[18:38:04] <noln> ,v kali-linux-full
• 1722[18:38:05] <violentE> my bad
• 1723[18:38:05] <judd> No package named 'kali-linux-full' was found in amd64.
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• 1725[18:39:12] <rkw_inspiron> #kali-linux <--
• 1726[18:39:48] <noln> install debian and chroot/firejail kali
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• 1728[18:41:53] <rkw_inspiron> or at least if using downstream distro, duplicate on debian first even when you think it's a debian problem. save time for everyone
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• 1753[19:04:26] <borrougagnou> Hi ! I'm back
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• 1761[19:18:00] <jelly> ,v rainloop
• 1762[19:18:01] <judd> Package: rainloop on amd64 -- buster: 1.11.1-1; sid: 1.11.1-1
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• 1766[19:21:52] <Mr_Queue> ping
• 1767[19:21:55] <borrougagnou> pong
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• 1770[19:22:13] <Mr_Queue> freenode is weird these days..
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• 1779[19:23:39] <Hund> Why is vdirsyncer missing from the repos?
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• 1784[19:24:28] <Mr_Queue> Best guess is no one stepped up to maintain it.
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• 1786[19:24:38] <Mr_Queue> Orphaned, then dropped.
• 1787[19:24:45] <Hund> Ah
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• 1794[19:26:47] <jelly> ,bug rm vdirsyncer
• 1795[19:26:50] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
• 1796[19:27:13] <jelly> ,v vdirsyncer
• 1797[19:27:14] <judd> Package: vdirsyncer on amd64 -- stretch: 0.14.1-1+deb9u1; sid: 0.16.2-4
• 1798[19:27:26] <jelly> Hund, it's there?
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• 1800[19:27:52] <jelly> dpkg, why is vdirsyncer not in testing
• 1801[19:27:52] <dpkg> vdirsyncer is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
• 1802[19:28:29] <Mr_Queue> jelly: I was too lazy to look. I was like.. You know, I'm just sitting here on my ass drinking a beer and don't have anything better to do, but going to look if it's actually available was way, way too much work at the moment.
• 1803[19:29:00] <jelly> Mr_Queue, then please be too lazy to give incorrect info as well
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• 1807[19:29:34] <Mr_Queue> It wasn't incorrect. It was an _assumption_ , which can not be incorrect.
• 1808[19:29:46] <jelly> it was a wrong guess.
• 1809[19:29:59] <Mr_Queue> I assume you're on to something.
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• 1815[19:31:22] <Hund> I see.
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• 1824[19:33:52] <rkw_inspiron> borrougagnou did you have any errors with apt when you installed vmware
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• 1826[19:34:16] <borrougagnou> no why?
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• 1830[19:35:37] <borrougagnou> I just need to install linux-header-<kernelversion> for vmware working but that's all
• 1831[19:35:47] <borrougagnou> *that all
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• 1833[19:35:55] <borrougagnou> *needed
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• 1840[19:38:13] <rkw_inspiron> just wondering if packages messed up
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• 1844[19:40:10] <rkw_inspiron> something like "dpkg -l | grep -v ii" would show if anything isn't installed right
• 1845[19:40:40] <borrougagnou> I back I try to reboot my computer if this bug exist in openbox or no
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• 1850[19:44:08] <borrougagnou> atm I don't have any problem in openbox
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• 1854[19:47:57] <rkw_inspiron> imo that would indicate it's an issue visible when using compositing, that would be the main difference most likely between xfce and openbox
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• 1857[19:49:09] <jelly> violentE, which debian release is this supposed to be? Can you provide all this info:
• 1858[19:49:14] <jelly> !bat
• 1859[19:49:15] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1861[19:50:05] * jelly scrolls all the way down
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• 1865[19:51:30] <rkw_inspiron> <borrougagnou> what video card do you have
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• 1867[19:53:17] <borrougagnou> Intel for my laptop screen, NVIDIA for port
• 1868[19:55:28] <rkw_inspiron> regarding the xsession error "libGL error: failed to load driver: i965" you might confirm you have i965-va-driver xserver-xorg-video-intel packages installed
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• 1876[20:00:51] <borrougagnou> I have xserver-xorg-video-intel: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 and i965-va-driver:1.7.3-1 yes
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• 1880[20:02:06] <jelly> um, what do va driver and old 2d xorg driver have to do with opengl (libGL)?
• 1881[20:03:50] <rkw_inspiron> The error message was "libGL error: failed to load driver: i965". If this indicates something else, please, by all means
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• 1885[20:04:28] <borrougagnou> I posted video yesterday if you want see this rendering bug: replaced-url
• 1886[20:05:27] <uio> Hello! Firstly, thanks to anyone who helped me with my install yesterday. I tried again today and managed to install the wifi firmware via a usb, but don't yet have a working wifi. Could anyone help me trouble shoot? Thanks.
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• 1889[20:06:03] <Brigo> someone!
• 1890[20:06:24] <Brigo> !someone
• 1891[20:06:24] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 1892[20:06:33] <jelly> rkw_inspiron, I think it indicates libGL cannot load some of its constituent parts
• 1893[20:06:48] <EdePopede> rapid question: i'm about to partition a new hd, of course gpt. fdisk warns after start that mbr won't work, i may use gpt. sure. but then it says it created a DOS label (32bit). and after pressing 'n' it asks the classic question "primary or extended". did i miss something? don't remember what i did last time.
• 1894[20:07:58] <jelly> EdePopede, used gdisk instead of fdisk maybe?
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• 1896[20:08:36] <jasabella> shouldn't you use gdisk instead of fdisk when working with gpt?
• 1897[20:08:39] <jasabella> oh jinx :)
• 1898[20:09:31] <EdePopede> jelly: yeah, i remember its first output :) thought i used fdisk after using stretch.
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• 1901[20:10:43] <uio> I did a netinstall of Debian and only have CLI. I Want to install LXQt, but the wifi is not working (dhclient - v says there a no leases). How can I connect to wifi?
• 1902[20:11:09] <uio> apt-get update just stalls.
• 1903[20:11:15] <uio> at à%
• 1904[20:11:26] <uio> *0%
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• 1906[20:12:49] <rkw_inspiron> jelly: got it. I was going by the results of " apt search i965" but looking closer that the package descriptions, I get what you're saying
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• 1909[20:13:16] <EdePopede> bonus question: atm i'd like to stay with the good old ext family. only the 5% extra space seem quite big to me, swap=2*ram also isn't the rule anymore as what i've read. it will be a media disk / data grave, so should i stay with the 5% or would that be wasted space?
• 1910[20:14:00] <jasabella> uio… what did you do to try and get wifi working?
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• 1913[20:15:08] <uio> jasabella: I installed the firmware that was asked for during the install process. But not much else... I tried wpa_passphrase (network) (pass) but it did not work....
• 1914[20:15:14] <jelly> EdePopede, is this supposed to be the boot/OS disk?
• 1915[20:15:22] <EdePopede> jelly: no, purely data
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• 1919[20:15:57] <jelly> EdePopede, ok, why do you ask about swap then?
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• 1921[20:16:02] <EdePopede> just read that ts'o wrote a mail about this, reading it later
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• 1923[20:16:10] <EdePopede> jelly: no, the 5% reserved for root
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• 1925[20:17:08] <EdePopede> >95% over long time seems to be bad for fragmentation, so it would fit. but i also could copy something away and tunefs it or so
• 1926[20:17:14] <jelly> if you don't care about some freagmentation after you get in 80-90 percentile used, you can reserve however little, say 1%
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• 1929[20:17:55] <EdePopede> replaced-url
• 1930[20:17:55] <jelly> EdePopede, once things are fragmented they stay fragmented
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• 1932[20:18:35] <EdePopede> jelly: ok, i'll go with 1% for the moment, may change it later should this come out as problematic (what i don't think)
• 1933[20:18:40] <jelly> that's a bit old. > On large FS like 100gb
• 1934[20:18:57] <EdePopede> 4TB, i'm still not a friend of megasizes :D
• 1935[20:19:01] <jasabella> uio… you need to start wpa_supplicant
• 1936[20:19:09] <borrougagnou> rkw_inspiron : maybe that can help you (result of glxinfo | grep 'dir\|^Open'): replaced-url
• 1937[20:19:46] <jelly> EdePopede, if you really manage to fill up 95% it might be time to think about a yet larger disk anyway
• 1938[20:19:53] <jasabella> so the usual thing is... you bring the interface up, start wpa_supplicant up, run dhclient to get an ip address
• 1939[20:19:53] <jelly> or stop hoarding bits
• 1940[20:20:25] <jelly> EdePopede, but a 4TB ext4 takes hours and gigabytes of RAM to fsck.
• 1941[20:20:29] <jasabella> uio… ip link will tell you if the interface is up or not
• 1942[20:21:28] <EdePopede> jelly: i had freezes over month and one partition needed an eternety to fsck... at least i don't mount them -rw if i don't have to write to them, saved me a lot of time
• 1943[20:21:55] <EdePopede> alea iacta est. but we're on debian, so things usually don't get that bad.
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• 1945[20:21:58] <jelly> consider learning about xfs.
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• 1947[20:22:10] <altker128> jelly: Does ext4 really take GB to run fsck on a 4TB volume?
• 1948[20:22:46] <jelly> altker128, I think the ballpark figure was 1GB RAM per TB of filesystem
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• 1950[20:23:50] <jelly> my 2TB raid1 took a bit more than an hour, but I did not look at memory usage
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• 1953[20:24:17] <altker128> jelly: Wow. Never run ext4 on anything bigger than 1TB. What about XFS? XFS fsck utils were lacking some years ago, how does it look now?
• 1954[20:24:40] <uio> jasabella: It works!
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• 1956[20:24:58] <jasabella> what works? the wifi or the link is up?
• 1957[20:24:59] <jelly> altker128, I don't know. I'm told xfs mostly heals itself online.
• 1958[20:26:00] <jelly> but I do know it deals with 1-10TB sizes a lot better
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• 1960[20:26:34] <EdePopede> jelly: is on my todo list for quite a long time now
• 1961[20:27:35] <jelly> mine too. I still have ext4 omstly everywhere. /dev/md1 2.6T 2.6T 7.9G 100% /backup
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• 1970[20:29:52] <rkw_inspiron> <borrougagnou> Well that's from inside the vmware session, right? And the issue is with the host machine, right?
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• 1979[20:34:41] <borrougagnou> rkw_inspiron : why? the problem isn't into VM, I'm in my real debian I just launched a vm for try if the bug is come from vmware or not, but no because in openbox I don't have any problem :/
• 1980[20:35:58] <borrougagnou> replaced-url
• 1981[20:36:10] <rkw_inspiron> It says, "OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc." That suggested to me that the command was executed inside a VMWare session
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• 1983[20:37:38] <altker128> jelly: I use ZFS (FBSD) for my > 1TB long-term storage needs. I ran XFS in the past when my Linux machine was dealing with large video files and things seemed to work pretty well
• 1984[20:37:51] <borrougagnou> but I don't have execute this command into vm .... weird...
• 1985[20:39:10] <borrougagnou> HA ! check my command is just "opened" gl
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• 1987[20:41:09] <borrougagnou> my full glxinfo: replaced-url
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• 1989[20:42:01] <borrougagnou> + [intel_init_bufmgr:1190] Error initializing buffer manager.
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• 2003[20:49:02] <uio> After a net install I installed lxqt-core and rebooted, but the login is still command line... is this normal? How can I get gui?
• 2004[20:49:27] <joepublic> congrats on getting you networking going
• 2005[20:49:35] <joepublic> did you install a dm such as lightdm?
• 2006[20:50:05] <uio> joepublic: Thanks!
• 2007[20:50:16] <uio> joepublic: No....
• 2008[20:50:36] <uio> But even after loging in I still have a CLI
• 2009[20:50:39] <joepublic> the dm such as lightdm starts up the graphical env. and lets you log in directly-ish to it
• 2010[20:50:54] <cheapie> Is there a way to make udev/udisks/whatever properly handle capacity changes while _not_ automounting things? I tried adding a rule of 'ACTION=="add|change", SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="sd*|sr*", ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}="1"' and that works great for things like hard drives that never change capacity, but doesn't work properly for optical media as the system doesn't see the capacity change when I change discs.
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• 2016[20:52:46] <rkw_inspiron> <borrougagnou> do you have libglx-mesa0 libgl1-mesa-dri packages
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• 2026[20:56:56] <borrougagnou> libgl1-mesa-dri : libgl1-mesa-dri | libgl1-mesa-dri : none
• 2027[20:57:08] <borrougagnou> oops
• 2028[20:57:41] <borrougagnou> libgl1-mesa-dri: 13.0.6-1+b2 | libglx-mesa0 : none
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• 2038[21:03:00] <borrougagnou> rkw_inspiron : should I install libglx-mesa0 althougt he isn't installed ?
• 2039[21:03:25] <toad_> I have to use a backported kernel but now the nvidia non-free kernel driver doesn't work (I have the corresponding headers installed). Suggestions for fixing it? Is this off-topic and where else should I go if so?
• 2040[21:03:47] <toad_> "Doesn't work" here meaning nvidia-kernel-support doesn't build
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• 2042[21:04:18] <altker128> toad_: When you run the nvidia installer, what does it do?
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• 2045[21:04:33] <toad_> altker128: I'd really prefer to use the packaged version
• 2046[21:04:36] <altker128> toad_: Ive had better luck getting the nvidia installer from nvidia's website vs. using the nvidia package in the repository
• 2047[21:04:42] <toad_> I guess I could just use the nvidia installer yeah
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• 2049[21:05:24] <altker128> I suggest you try that out. I used it somewhat recently on a Debain 9 / Stretch install (Quadro video card) and it "worked", whereas the packaged driver gave me some difficulties
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• 2053[21:06:08] <toad_> Makes an ugly mess of your system though :|
• 2054[21:06:16] <rkw_inspiron> <borrougagnou>: It's hard to say. It's in backports if you do. I see replaced-url
• 2055[21:06:19] <rkw_inspiron> "If in the OpenGL renderer string: you see llvmpipe, that means your system doesn't use the GPU but the CPU instead to render the computer graphics. If you want to use the GPU look at the GraphicsCard page. Many times you just need to install the firmware-linux-nonfree package from the non-free repositories, in order to active the driver. "
• 2056[21:06:52] <altker128> toad_: Why do you say that?
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• 2059[21:07:21] <toad_> Moves files around etc. Likely to break / have to reinstall it whenever libraries are upgraded in Debian
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• 2062[21:07:55] <cheapie> Even if I can't disable automounting, some method for at least getting rid of these annoying popups would be great: replaced-url
• 2063[21:08:21] <altker128> toad_: It uses DKMS so if you install a new kernel, it rebuilds the nvidia driver. Anyway, use what works best for you
• 2064[21:08:24] <cheapie> That thing shows up _every_ _single_ _time_ that I insert a disc. It's really getting on my nerves by now.
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• 2066[21:09:24] <toad_> Well, the immediate problem is the DKMS build with the packaged nvidia module fails with an error that suggests the backported headers package is broken... maybe that's what the problem is :|
• 2067[21:09:41] <toad_> "Kernel configuration is invalid ... use make oldconfig && make prepare ..."
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• 2072[21:13:26] <toad_> Ah, no, the config is fine, the patch is against an older kernel...
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• 2086[21:20:23] <borrougagnou> rkw_inspiron ; oh... wow I installed mesa... but now I have a lot of packet apt said me I don't need
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• 2089[21:21:29] <rkw_inspiron> In what way did apt say you don't need certain packages <borrougagnou>
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• 2092[21:22:27] <rkw_inspiron> <borrougagnou> also, if you have installed some new mesa related packages, I would try xfce again and see if your situation has improved
• 2093[21:22:50] <borrougagnou> and what about all of this package? :replaced-url
• 2094[21:23:07] <borrougagnou> I can erase without problem?
• 2095[21:23:19] <jhutchins> toad_: I found the nvidia installation quite clean. It even finds and activates dkms.
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• 2097[21:24:28] <jhutchins> toad_: what version of the nvidia drivers do you have?
• 2098[21:24:31] <rkw_inspiron> <borrougagnou> It's hard to say without context, but those are mostly -dev packages, so... without any guarantee, I would say no you don't need them
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• 2100[21:25:10] <borrougagnou_> oops bug
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• 2102[21:25:22] <borrougagnou_> you have say something?
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• 2121[21:36:02] <borrougagnou_> >>>> [1] 836 segmentation fault thunar
• 2122[21:36:06] <borrougagnou_> I love that
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• 2157[21:53:27] <borrougagnou_> rkw_inspiron so?
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• 2160[21:56:48] <borrougagnou_> okay I reboot, I back
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• 2162[21:57:27] <rwp> These days segmentation faults are most often bad ram errors.
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• 2164[21:57:55] <jhutchins> borrougagnou_: buster?
• 2165[21:58:20] <borrougagnou_> stretch
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• 2168[21:58:41] <borrougagnou_> but I ask about my XFCE4 rendering problem
• 2169[21:58:53] <borrougagnou_> but I brb, I reboot for mesa
• 2170[21:58:59] <borrougagnou_> *try
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• 2172[21:59:08] <borrougagnou_> *try if mesa work
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• 2176[22:05:53] <borrougagnou> I'm here with XFCE4
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• 2178[22:06:19] <joepublic> a warm welcome to you both
• 2179[22:06:38] <borrougagnou> ?
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• 2182[22:07:01] <aloo_shu> lol
• 2183[22:07:14] <borrougagnou> I'm just back after a simple reboot
• 2184[22:07:29] <aloo_shu> wanna beer, XFCE, ole buddy?
• 2185[22:07:46] <rwp> Hello XFCE! Long time since you have been in the channel! :-)
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• 2188[22:10:18] <aloo_shu> not hard to see the aftereffects of festive intoxication on general convo fluidity
• 2189[22:10:20] <borrougagnou> ?!?
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• 2195[22:12:12] <joepublic> borrougagnou, I apologize for a poorly made joke that others appreciated perhaps because they felt sorry for me. I genuinely hope that your problem is resolved.
• 2196[22:12:31] <rkw_inspiron> lol
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• 2200[22:14:56] * rwp laughs
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• 2203[22:16:13] <Nawab> Hello
• 2204[22:16:45] <Nawab> Can anyone tell me where is buster's root user bashrc?
• 2205[22:16:59] <Nawab> I think i messed it up
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• 2207[22:17:14] <rwp> Nawab, /root/.bashrc in root's $HOME.
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• 2209[22:17:33] <Nawab> I didnt find it there
• 2210[22:17:51] <Nawab> I tried a rescue shell n all
• 2211[22:18:16] <rwp> It is a filename starting with a '.' and ls hides those by default. Try 'ls -a -l' to see all of the files including hidden files.
• 2212[22:18:28] <joepublic> did you not find it because it isn't there, or because dotfiles are hidden files?
• 2213[22:18:30] <borrougagnou> joepublic : don't worry :p I'm just confuse about that, I thought you were talking with another guy called XFCE here :p
• 2214[22:18:31] <joepublic> yeah, what rwp said
• 2215[22:18:34] <Nawab> Oh yeah
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• 2217[22:18:54] <whislock> One can generally combine parameters, as well. ls -al = ls -a -l.
• 2218[22:19:03] <rwp> The ls -a lists "all" files. Think of the -a as all. The -l is the long listing format showing you more information.
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• 2220[22:19:11] <borrougagnou> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
• 2221[22:19:27] <joepublic> ls -hal = the above + use human-readable sizes like 3M or 2.2GB
• 2222[22:21:24] <rwp> Nawab, When you say "messed it up" what problem are you having? That you needed a rescue shell?
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• 2227[22:22:40] <Nawab> Well i wanted to install xorg since it was a minimum install .... n then when i downloaded all the packages it said tht ldconfig wasnt in PATH
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• 2229[22:22:54] <Nawab> I actually messed up my path
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• 2231[22:23:36] <rkw_inspiron> Nawab you're on buster, for future ref go to debian-next for that, but what you need to do is log in to root like this "su - " not like this "su "
• 2232[22:23:49] <uio> I am running Debian with lxqt and there is not default keyboard shortcut manager. How can I add one?
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• 2234[22:24:36] <Nawab> Cant i get help from here ... androirc doesnt hav oftc configured
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• 2236[22:25:08] <rkw_inspiron> join #debian-next
• 2237[22:25:11] <rkw_inspiron> oops
• 2238[22:25:25] <joepublic> I like autokey uio
• 2239[22:25:33] <joepublic> there are -qt and -gtk variants
• 2240[22:25:52] <rkw_inspiron> ok, well whatever the case Nawab, in buster you need to log in to root like " su - " for it to work right
• 2241[22:26:25] <Nawab> Ok
• 2242[22:26:29] <Nawab> Thnx
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• 2245[22:26:54] <rkw_inspiron> bd
• 2246[22:27:22] <joepublic> no path? /bin/su -
• 2247[22:27:25] <rwp> Nawab, FYI but normally root's PATH is set in /root/.profile by default.
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• 2249[22:27:41] <Nawab> Ok
• 2250[22:28:03] <Nawab> Didnt knew tht... havent used debian in a while
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• 2255[22:29:16] <quiliro> anyone tryed guix?
• 2256[22:29:19] <rwp> By default root has a simplified .profile and .bashrc installed at system install time. But additional users get copies of /etc/skel/ which includes the bash package versions of .profile and .bashrc and other files.
• 2257[22:29:36] <rwp> Those are also safe to use for the root user too.
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• 2259[22:29:47] <quiliro> guix is a very interesting package manager
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• 2261[22:30:15] <quiliro> replaced-url
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• 2263[22:30:45] <quiliro> replaced-url
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• 2267[22:32:23] <joepublic> I tried guix by installing guixsd (guix system distribution). Couldn't get it to work usefully.
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• 2279[22:40:29] <quiliro> joepublic: you could install just the package manager
• 2280[22:40:36] <quiliro> on debian
• 2281[22:40:44] <joepublic> I'm actually reading about that at the moment
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• 2283[22:41:16] <quiliro> what exactly is: usefully
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• 2285[22:41:27] <quiliro> did you get a command prompt?
• 2286[22:41:42] <quiliro> could you boot?
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• 2290[22:42:04] <quiliro> have you tryed installing gsd on a virtual machine?
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• 2292[22:43:36] <joepublic> I ran their vm, booted, got a prompt, was unable to initialize the package manager using the provided instructions
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• 2295[22:44:34] * annadane just uses flatpaks
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• 2298[22:44:46] * annadane is very likely too stupid to use any other package managers for newer applications
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• 2302[22:46:25] <quiliro> guix does not break packages like apt
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• 2304[22:46:52] <quiliro> perhaps there should be a gui to guix
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• 2306[22:47:39] <quiliro> joepublic: if you got a prompt, the package manager was already initialized
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• 2309[22:49:01] <jhutchins> quiliro: What makes you think apt breaks packages?
• 2310[22:49:19] <whislock> wat
• 2311[22:49:20] <joepublic> what are you the marketing department?
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• 2314[22:50:14] <annadane> yeah, sounds a bit unsolicited
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• 2321[22:56:17] <borrougagnou> rkw_inspiron : atm it working
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• 2323[22:56:55] <borrougagnou> I just have: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig when I launch glxinfo but that all
• 2324[22:57:50] <rkw_inspiron> what is output of previous command... what was it..
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• 2326[22:58:31] <rkw_inspiron> glxinfo | grep 'dir\|^Open'
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• 2373[23:21:40] <uio> I cant seem to connect to irc on the new machine via pidgin. Do I keep the same domain?
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• 2380[23:24:16] <jhutchins> uio: Should be the same target, might need to read the Help or docs to see how to configure it for freenode. Might be on the pidgin web page.
• 2381[23:24:22] <uio1> hmmm.
• 2382[23:24:30] <rwp> uio, Are trying to connect to chat.freenode.net on port 6667 and having problems? replaced-url
• 2383[23:24:39] <uio1> This is me on the second machine. I think it worked!
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• 2385[23:24:44] <uio1> Thanks!
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• 2388[23:25:14] <uio1> But, oddly this account is with @ubuntu.com. I'm guessing that's done at registration?
• 2389[23:25:57] <joepublic> This statement does not parse --> "this account is with @ubuntu.com"
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• 2391[23:26:04] <rwp> I know not what this domain is that you speak. Don't think it is an IRC thing. Perhaps you are talking nick registration?
• 2392[23:26:25] <rwp> replaced-url
• 2393[23:26:28] <jhutchins> uio1: That's probably a default in the pidgin config.
• 2394[23:26:37] <uio1> Okay.
• 2395[23:26:56] <uio1> I am enjoying this fresh debian install!
• 2396[23:26:57] <jhutchins> uio1: Debian used to have problems with derivatives that didn't clean up the default irc channel.
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• 2398[23:27:41] <rwp> And NTP server pools... And other things... "used to?" I think it is ongoing...
• 2399[23:27:41] <deleuze6> Hi all, I think Nextcloud is really great, and I expect that it adheres to DFSG. To my knowledge, there are no nextcloud packages, not even in sid. Is this just becaues no one has volunteered, or is there something ugly about Nextcloud that makes it hard or impossible?
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• 2401[23:28:54] <rwp> Since owncloud is packaged and nextcloud is a fork (by the original author) I imagine it is simply that no one has packaged it. Possibly because it is moving too rapidly. I do not know.
• 2402[23:29:14] <jhutchins> Possibly because it ties to a commercial service.
• 2403[23:29:34] <joepublic> there's a nextcloud server and a nextcloud client
• 2404[23:29:40] <rwp> IIRC it is owncloud that ties to the commercial service. And the reason for the fork into nextcloud.
• 2405[23:30:07] <deleuze6> rwp: correct
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• 2407[23:31:23] <rwp> I've had nextcloud on my todo list to look into for a while now. Haven't made any actual progress into looking into it further. I need to stop procrastinating. I try to start tomorrow.
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• 2409[23:31:53] <jhutchins> I think I'm wrong, it looks like opencloud is more commercial, nextcloud is free and rwp is right.
• 2410[23:32:04] <deleuze6> rwp: I think it would be really useful. I understand that upstream might need to be fairly responsive, and that there might be significant security considerations.
• 2411[23:32:23] <jhutchins> rwp: Sounds like there's a commercial version of owncloud but just the free version of nextcloud.
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• 2413[23:32:30] <deleuze6> But it is a really great project, and deserves the attention of this community.
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• 2415[23:32:38] <deleuze6> (in my opinion)
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• 2418[23:33:05] <jhutchins> Only been out a couple of years, that's pretty recent by Debian's standards.
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• 2420[23:33:26] <joepublic> "this" = the universe? open sourcers? free software activists? debian?
• 2421[23:33:28] <rwp> As I recall owncloud became much more commercial, nextcloud forked, which caused owncloud to pull back significantly due to nextcloud.
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• 2425[23:34:22] <rwp> So today someone might look at owncloud again and think it is okay but if it weren't for nextcloud pushing at it then owncloud would not have come back to the free(dom) side.
• 2426[23:34:28] <deleuze6> jhutchins: yea, I understand what you mean by that. But we might want to think of nextcloud as a kind of platform for self-hosted web services that could have a significant impact on the autonomy of ordinary users.
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• 2428[23:34:58] <uio1> Oh! I too am looking for a nextcloud client!
• 2429[23:35:18] <joepublic> a significant selfhosting autonomy impact? is there cloud synergy involved?
• 2430[23:35:29] <rwp> This all feels like a subset of the freedombox project which is in this topic space too.
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• 2434[23:35:39] <Smiley> I need to wget a deb file, cept the devs haven't provided the url yet :/
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• 2436[23:35:54] <Smiley> replaced-url
• 2437[23:35:58] <rwp> replaced-url
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• 2439[23:36:17] <deleuze6> joepublic: what I mean is that it is a way that ordinary users can interact with each other directly, rather than through platforms. It is something that I think is worth promoting.
• 2440[23:36:26] <deleuze6> (sorry for the buzzwords)
• 2441[23:36:55] <joepublic> I do agree that decentralized empowerment, all buzzwords aside, is a good thing to have
• 2442[23:36:58] <jhutchins> deleuze6: There's a PPA, that's a step in the right direction.
• 2443[23:36:58] <Smiley> i'm confused how from that, I can work out thje url of the package?
• 2444[23:37:23] <rwp> Smiley, One must be careful with 3rd party deb repositores: replaced-url
• 2445[23:38:41] <deleuze6> jhutchins: are you referring to Ubuntu?
• 2446[23:38:59] <Smiley> rwp: Yeah I'm not worried about that
• 2447[23:39:04] <Smiley> I just want to know how to get that .deb file
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• 2449[23:39:43] <deleuze6> rwp: yes, it does seem a bit like FreedomBox, although I'm guessing that Nextcloud is more complete and ready as a product. (I'd love to learn that I am wrong.)
• 2450[23:39:44] <jhutchins> deleuze6: It's linked on the nextcloud site, says it's for Ubuntu and Debian. <Insert usual caution about PPAs in Debian.>
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• 2453[23:40:26] <jhutchins> Smiley: You should be able to browse to it.
• 2454[23:40:38] <jhutchins> Smiley: Might take more than one .deb
• 2455[23:40:50] <whislock> Smiley: Looks like the intent is that you add it as an apt repo. Attempting to browse gives a 403.
• 2456[23:40:54] <uio1> Any thoughts on the best way to install missing LaTeX packages in Debian? installing texlive-full would be the simplest but the package is huge!!
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• 2458[23:41:05] <uio1> tlmgr install package doesn't work
• 2459[23:41:10] <deleuze6> jhutchins: ah, gotcha. Maybe the existence of the PPA is starving attention away from building a real .deb in Debian's repository
• 2460[23:41:18] <Smiley> whislock: but... how does apt-get know the uri?
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• 2462[23:42:05] <jhutchins> deleuze6: I would think that it's rather providing packages that will allow testing, proof of quality, and eventual incorporation.
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• 2464[23:42:37] <jhutchins> deleuze6: If somebody's already building .debs they could build them and submit them to testing.
• 2465[23:42:55] <Smiley> Say for example I want the .deb for a offline install.
• 2466[23:43:01] <Smiley> I need to figure out the URI somehow.
• 2467[23:43:18] <jhutchins> replaced-url
• 2468[23:43:30] <deleuze6> jhutchins: do you think anyone is doing that?
• 2469[23:43:55] <deleuze6> jhutchins: perhaps there is a champion or maintainer of some sort taking the lead on this?
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• 2471[23:44:08] <jhutchins> deleuze6: You'd have to ask someone from the project, or maybe the debian mailing lists.
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• 2473[23:44:12] <jhutchins> !rfp
• 2474[23:44:13] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
• 2475[23:45:10] <jhutchins> deleuze6: Might read up on the packaging proces, have a look at the nmg, figure out what's required.
• 2476[23:45:20] <rneese> hey guys having a issue with debian
• 2477[23:45:21] <uio1> Is it serious to just add the PPA in this case? I mean, security wise isn't NextCloud dependable?
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• 2479[23:45:36] <rneese> cant install apt-show-versions
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• 2481[23:45:49] <rneese> replaced-url
• 2482[23:45:54] <whislock> Smiley: replaced-url
• 2483[23:46:01] <Smiley> whislock: excellent, ty
• 2484[23:46:04] <Smiley> how do you figure that out?!
• 2485[23:46:06] <rneese> looks like you guys pull a ubuntu deb file
• 2486[23:46:11] <deleuze6> jhutchins: that is useful, thank you!
• 2487[23:46:19] <rneese> and it fails to install
• 2488[23:46:30] <whislock> Smiley: apt repos have a defined structure with well-known index files in specified locations.
• 2489[23:46:31] <jhutchins> uio1: Their packages aren't going to be as thoroughly tested against as broad a spectrum of varying debian installations with different software installed.
• 2490[23:46:33] <uio1> A la replaced-url
• 2491[23:46:36] <whislock> Smiley: So I went digging.
• 2492[23:47:25] <Smiley> whislock: so you've gotta find the index file?
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• 2494[23:48:04] <whislock> Smiley: replaced-url
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• 2496[23:50:02] <rkw_inspiron> rneese: not able to replicate that behavior replaced-url
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• 2499[23:52:04] <rkw_inspiron> rneese you are using ubuntu package sources. Normally that would imply that you're using ubuntu
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• 2503[23:52:46] <rneese> not that I can find but now I have to recall how to purge the pkg and reinstall it
• 2504[23:54:03] <rneese> got it
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• 2507[23:55:07] <borrougagnou> oops I forget to answer !
• 2508[23:55:16] <borrougagnou> rkw_inspiron yes I have the same message
• 2509[23:55:17] <rneese> it still failed
• 2510[23:55:26] <Smiley> ty
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• 2512[23:56:08] <rneese> replaced-url
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• 2514[23:56:33] <towo`> rneese, a debian never will download any package from replaced-url
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• 2516[23:57:06] <rneese> I dont see this in my repo lists
• 2517[23:57:42] <borrougagnou> and finally, I have the same problem...
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• 2520[23:58:30] <LinuxFire> rneese, replaced-url
• 2521[23:58:49] <rneese> After this operation, 162 kB of additional disk space will be used.
• 2522[23:58:49] <rneese> Get:1 replaced-url
• 2523[23:59:09] <rneese> thats where it pulled the file from if you read the pastebin
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