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18[00:06:35] <jhutchins> !wayland
19[00:06:35] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
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22[00:07:13] <jhutchins> I know he's gone, but I had heard that wayland was terminating.
23[00:07:30] <abrotman> no?
24[00:07:52] <jhutchins> ,v weston
25[00:07:53] <judd> Package: weston on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.0-2+b1; buster: 1.12.0-3; stretch: 1.12.0-3; sid: 3.0.0-1
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28[00:08:16] <jhutchins> Yeah, still there. I did hear that Ubuntu was giving up on it.
29[00:08:30] <abrotman> !mir
30[00:08:31] <dpkg> i heard mir is dead
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34[00:08:34] <abrotman> that perhaps?
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36[00:08:48] <jhutchins> False rumor perhaps.
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39[00:09:14] <abrotman> I think Ubuntu was Mir
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41[00:09:17] <jhutchins> Speaking of dead space stations, the Chinese station is due to re-enter soon.
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44[00:09:40] <abrotman> replaced-url
45[00:09:46] <abrotman> Mir was Canonical
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58[00:14:03] <jhutchins> Ah, dueling software, the linux way.
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64[00:16:38] <jhutchins> abrotman: I probably heard that they were dropping wayland, since mir was sort of their fork/implementation of it (not quite, but rumors).
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88[00:26:24] <xcvb> hey people
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91[00:27:16] <xcvb> along time ago, somehow, i set my firefox so it completely forgets previous uses and cookies or whatever.... how do i revert it to the default, where it can remember profiles and where i left off, etc
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98[00:29:24] <xcvb> not sure if my two messages were sent, they seem greyed out
99[00:29:29] <annadane> they were sent
100[00:29:34] <xcvb> thanks
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112[00:33:57] <bdax> xcvb: do you mean: Preferences -> Privacy -> in the history section. if the drop-down is set to "Use custom settings for history" there's options for that there
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116[00:35:11] <bdax> specifically the 'keep until' drop-down, and 'clear history when firefox closes'
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118[00:35:54] <bdax> either that or the 'always use private browsing mode'
119[00:36:01] <xcvb> bdax, i will look into that, but i remember it was some commandline shit when i undid whatever the defaults were
120[00:36:06] <xcvb> maybe if i just uninstall reinstall
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122[00:36:30] <xcvb> basically a new profile everytime firefox starts
123[00:37:28] <annadane> xcvb, history_search firefox?
124[00:37:33] <xcvb> bookmarks are lost, everything
125[00:37:49] <annadane> never mind
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127[00:38:01] <annadane> man page says to do that but says command not found, or maybe it needs root
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129[00:38:14] <annadane> nope
130[00:38:19] <xcvb> i think at this point, may be best if just uninstall and reinstall....
131[00:38:27] <xcvb> how uninstall firefox?
132[00:38:37] <annadane> xcvb, or i guess history | grep firefox
133[00:38:42] <bdax> xcvb: that may not work, unless you purge the settings too
134[00:38:50] <annadane> xcvb, esr? apt remove or purge firefox-esr
135[00:38:56] <bdax> try deleting the profiles.ini in ~/.mozilla/firefox/ if you have no other important profiles
136[00:39:00] <xcvb> bdax, right, i think its the settings......? it loads a new profile every time
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139[00:39:19] <xcvb> okay hmm
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144[00:44:24] <xcvb> i think i uninstalled with apt remove,
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146[00:44:37] <xcvb> forget the paramater to rmdir, directory not empty
147[00:44:50] <xcvb> for ~/.mozilla
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149[00:45:10] <bdax> rm -rf ...
150[00:45:26] <bdax> -r recursive, -f force
151[00:45:52] <xcvb> okay, now getting E: resource or device busy
152[00:45:53] <acu> I run debian stretch 9.2 amd64 and I get cat /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax 18446744073692774399 ---- something is wrong with this default - can anyone help geting some sanity on this ?
153[00:46:02] <xcvb> anyway, maybe i just try reinstall and see if ti works
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155[00:46:07] <xcvb> brb
156[00:46:15] <bdax> you're on windows?
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161[00:47:17] <bdax> (because you mentioned E:)
162[00:48:23] <xcvb> oh me?? no
163[00:48:27] <xcvb> i mean E or for error
164[00:48:33] <bdax> oh okay
165[00:48:46] <xcvb> i think now i just wanna try reinstalling
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167[00:49:01] <xcvb> can i just apt get this firefox business..? il find out
168[00:49:14] <bdax> firefox-esr is the package name
169[00:49:20] <bdax> on stretch
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175[00:51:29] <xcvb> so it seems the reinstall of FF solved the problem
176[00:51:33] <xcvb> thanks everyone
177[00:51:50] <xcvb> for the record, the problem was that FF wouldnt save profiles across resets. but now it seems i can keep bookmarks, cookies, etc
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179[00:52:57] <bdax> good stuff
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183[00:53:41] <xcvb> btw, if yall arent playing kittens, you should be: replaced-url
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193[00:57:35] <bdax> goodbye productivity
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199[01:00:24] <acu> can anyone confirm why in debian stretch the default value for shmmax set by the kernel at boot time is 18446744073692774399 KB
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212[01:05:12] <well_laid_lawn> I get the same value on my void linux lappy here
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214[01:05:32] <well_laid_lawn> without the KB
215[01:05:35] <th0r> ok, I'll ask....what would you like it to be?
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223[01:09:16] <xcvb> bdax, are you actually playing?
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226[01:12:13] <bdax> xcvb: yeah I've got some fields planted, catnip is growing
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228[01:13:14] <bdax> lots of buttons I don't understand though, what score are you on?
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231[01:15:15] <xcvb> bdax, oh, ive been playing for months....... have actually two games going... one with kittens and one without
232[01:16:03] <xcvb> bdax, score? im not familiar one of my games had something like 512 kittens, the other has zero (kittenless, so to speak. iron will)
233[01:16:05] <muse> acu, shmmax is in bytes, not kbytes
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235[01:16:19] <xcvb> muse, thats still a lot of bytes
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237[01:16:45] <muse> yep, in the exabytes
238[01:17:06] <xcvb> damn, i gotta pick up my HDD game
239[01:17:26] <xcvb> better purchase another data center or something
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243[01:19:55] * RoyK is amused by dying disks showing their size 600PB - it'd be rather nice to have a small 3,5" drive at that size
244[01:20:37] <mutante> perfect disks for honeypots
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248[01:23:22] <bdax> xcvb: I just got my first kitten. I can see why you've played this for so long
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269[01:27:09] <xcvb> bdax, yes, the game is actually quite fun once you into it. although it is an acquired taste
270[01:27:23] <xcvb> i wouldnt be surprised if more people here play it
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272[01:28:19] <xcvb> or have dev'd on something similar
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274[01:28:28] <thiras> hello. I need to install libjpeg8-dev into stretch as a requisite
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278[01:28:52] <thiras> nothing on the repos about libjpeg8-dev
279[01:28:53] <bdax> weather was killing my catnip reserves, I was having to tap to keep my kittens alive. winter's hard
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286[01:30:09] <bdax> thiras: it's not available in stretch by the looks of things
287[01:30:24] <bdax> you'll probably have to compile it
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291[01:31:10] <thiras> bdax, is there any equivalent package?
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294[01:31:57] <bdax> thiras: I don't know, have a look at this: replaced-url
295[01:32:03] <bdax> what are you trying to install
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297[01:32:11] <thiras> i was looking at that
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299[01:32:16] <thiras> ERPNext
300[01:32:46] <thiras> I took requirements from there replaced-url
301[01:33:09] <thiras> quite badly written dockerfile for ubuntu
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310[01:37:12] <bdax> ubuntu and debian aren't as equivalent as you might be thinking. Better off following a guide intended for debian like replaced-url
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312[01:37:33] <bdax> what had you looking in odd places like that? they seem to support debian officially
313[01:37:52] <bdax> I mean, with their installer
314[01:38:06] <annadane> ,v libjpeg8-dev
315[01:38:07] <judd> Package: libjpeg8-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 8d-1+deb7u1
316[01:38:12] <annadane> oh boy.
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318[01:38:31] <bdax> yeah, it's on sid too apparently
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321[01:38:39] <annadane> well, if you have the source code replaced-url
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323[01:39:14] <annadane> it's in sid in debports
324[01:39:18] <annadane> replaced-url
325[01:40:05] <jasonwc> When I enable the totem profile in apparmor, loading totem fails and I see a number of denial messages in syslog. Anyone know what's wrong? replaced-url
326[01:40:15] <bdax> oh, only for arm though
327[01:41:21] <annadane> right you are
328[01:41:24] <annadane> didn't check that
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426[02:21:58] <dD_> Whenever I try to log into GNOME, I get the log-in screen over and over again. I can log in with LXDE . My journalctl file says: "failed to read Wayland events: Connection reset by peer". What could it be?
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429[02:23:24] <tesko> what startup screen do you have? grub?
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432[02:25:24] <tesko> perhaps a new kernel?
433[02:25:36] <dD_> tesko, hm.. I'm not sure this is after Grub, I think lightdm?
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436[02:27:17] <well_laid_lawn> seems that you can't use wayland ou'll have to use X
437[02:27:34] <tesko> do you only have gnome2 ? or do you have another os on the hdd?
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440[02:29:08] <dD_> tesko, I have windows :/ and I can log in with another dm (LXDE). It's gnome3 that's giving me trouble
441[02:29:47] <dD_> well_laid_lawn, is that just /etc/gdm/custom.conf and waylandenable=false?
442[02:30:21] <tesko> well why do you need windows?
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444[02:30:54] <well_laid_lawn> if you use lightdm you'll need to check it's config
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447[02:31:20] <dD_> tesko, to get tech support/update the bios
448[02:31:44] <tesko> O...O
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453[02:34:28] <tesko> did you get randsomware?
454[02:35:09] <dD_> tesko, no, not at all...
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459[02:35:50] <tesko> last question is it an hw issue?
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465[02:36:53] <dD_> tesko, i doubt it, since lxde works fine and everything has worked fine for 6 years
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474[02:39:05] <tesko> may i see your sysctrl.conf dD_
475[02:39:23] <tesko> paste it to pastebin dot com
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495[02:43:43] <dD_> tesko, replaced-url
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501[02:44:40] <dD_> one sec, gonna reboot
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547[03:12:40] <Lyberta> what regex do I need for run-parts to make it run scripts with sh extension?
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555[03:14:58] <RoyK> Lyberta: ^/path/\*.sh ?
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560[03:17:38] <RoyK> Lyberta: as from the manual - run-parts --list --regex '^p.*d$' /etc - replace that with '.*\.sh$' /path
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562[03:18:00] <RoyK> w
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568[03:18:46] <nobo> .
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570[03:19:19] <RoyK> ,
571[03:19:31] <Lyberta> alright, that seems to work
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574[03:24:09] * RoyK replaces another dead drive :P
575[03:25:12] <RoyK> thanks to science for raid-6 and its friends
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577[03:25:43] <RoyK> we should have a science god, something to be named, just to piss off some americans
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657[04:30:18] <Dewi_> can mdadm raid1 with 3+ copies repair mismatches? by consensus I would guess, since it doesn't hold checksums
658[04:30:50] <Dewi_> (repair with confidence I mean, I am concerned it might just arbitrarily pick one)
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674[04:41:55] <RoyK> Dewi_: if it detects an I/O error, it'll read from somewhere else - but then - it's not like zfs which will check the actual data
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833[07:17:55] <Dewi_> RoyK: yeah, I'm using zfs for data but still booting off mdadm/lvm/ext4, which hasn't even had I/O errors, just some dropped and reattached disks, and is already reporting mismatches.
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837[07:20:22] <Dewi_> just a non-zero mismatch_cnt, but I can't find any detailed info about what that really means, or how mdadm's repair/resync selects blocks, etc
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866[07:41:58] <a0p> hi all, I am on debian stretch. I cannot connect anymore to vpn using vpnc
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868[07:42:08] <a0p> anyone having this problem?
869[07:42:19] <a0p> or knows how to deal with it?
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871[07:43:39] <a0p> I keep getting 'no response from target'
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1026[09:50:19] <i76700> I've just installed debian, great stuff. I installed the nvidia driver, restarted and everything is tiny. DPI has changed? I was able to set fonts to 100% but still small menus. Panel is a 1080p tv
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1028[09:50:31] <i76700> Do I need to change something in xorg.conf?
1029[09:51:13] <rant> i76700: how did you install the nvidia driver?
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1032[09:53:00] <i76700> via linux mint's sweet gui
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1034[09:53:33] <rant> i76700: well first of all if you used linux mint's sweet gui, you're not using debian you're using mint
1035[09:53:34] <nkuttler> i thought you use debian?
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1038[09:54:16] <rant> i76700: my recommendation though aside from using debian, is the same, install the nvidia package for the settings gui and see if you can resolve your issue with that
1039[09:54:37] <rant> because yes, you can create an xorg.conf.d file and change dpi, but thats a bit complicated
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1041[09:56:28] <rant> i76700: on the first note I'd rever you to and highly recommend you read replaced-url
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1054[10:01:36] <rant> i76700: otherwise refer to linux mint's support forums replaced-url
1055[10:02:35] <rant> I found mint to be a nice distro, but I can only imagine supporting such a system that has Ubuntu and Debian based branches is a bit complicated
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1063[10:03:37] <tdn> So I just did an apt-get autoremove to remove an old kernel image and during removal it said: "The link /vmlinuz is a damaged link. Removing symbolic link vmlinuz. You may need to re-run your boot loader." (full output: replaced-url
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1065[10:04:20] <i76700> rant, thanks, i'm just trying it out, very easy driver install but now i can't read the menus etc
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1067[10:04:29] <rant> tdn: if I were you I'd either replace the links manually or reinstall the kernel package you're using which will probably recreate those links for you
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1069[10:05:47] <tdn> rant, apt-get reinstall linux-image-amd64?
1070[10:06:09] <rant> i76700: yeah well its impolite to expect debian users to support some derivitive system that has issues outside the scope of this channel, it can waste our time chasing issues not in debian itself and direct attention away from actual debian users that need help
1071[10:06:17] <tdn> rant, that does not fix it.
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1073[10:06:51] <rant> tdn: do you know what bootloader you're using and if anything fancy like uefi is involved?
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1077[10:08:46] <rant> I'd say link your kernel image and initrd image files in /boot/ to those locations on the root /vmlinuz and /initrd.img but only way to be certain you dont have an issue is to run your bootloader's install command and verify it installs without error
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1081[10:10:37] <tdn> rant, grub
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1083[10:10:46] <tdn> rant, I have run update-grub but did not fix it
1084[10:11:08] <rant> it'd be nice if someone else could chime in here.. because I haven't used a normal system in a very long time, I'm on an orangepi which uses uboot and the only machine I can access right now has jessie so I'm not sure what may have changed since I last done any of this
1085[10:11:34] <rant> tdn: well no, it won't fix anything, it'll just tell you if there are errors that you should be concerned about
1086[10:11:35] <jaxson> tdn .. what image are you running?
1087[10:11:43] <tdn> jaxson, debian 9 64 bit
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1090[10:12:07] <rant> jaxson: mentioned using the linux-image-amd64 metapackage
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1093[10:12:27] <jaxson> yep
1094[10:13:05] <jaxson> it'd be nice to know the exact image.. but probably reinstalling linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
1095[10:13:09] <jaxson> would recreate it
1096[10:13:30] <jaxson> although depends if that's what file it was pointing to..
1097[10:14:07] <jaxson> I wouldn't reboot until you are sure you have the boot image installed properly
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1104[10:21:03] <tdn> jaxson, just reinstalled linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64 but it did not crreate /vmlinuz nor /intrd.img
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1107[10:21:43] <rant> last time I used it grub install usually tells you what images it found, and if it worked without error and found the images, then there probably isnt an issue
1108[10:21:46] <jaxson> do a ls of /boot/vml* for us
1109[10:22:09] <rant> it probably just used the full path rather than the links
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1111[10:22:11] <jaxson> yes rant .. but depends what has caused the issue..
1112[10:22:31] <rant> that is true as well, the fact that this happened indicates something
1113[10:22:40] <jaxson> if his boot is pointing to /vmlinuz he's not going to boot without it..
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1115[10:22:53] <rant> I usually look in dmesg when weird stuff happens for disk IO type errors or such
1116[10:23:06] <jaxson> but if he gives the ls then we'll know what ver he's running at least..
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1118[10:23:15] <jaxson> yep good plan too
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1120[10:25:00] <rant> In any case I'd try getting somethign else bootable I could chroot from and have screen, irssi, and links2 or such installed so I could get on IRC/web in case it doesn't boot
1121[10:25:16] <jaxson> hehe yep
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1128[10:30:00] <tdn> jaxson, replaced-url
1129[10:30:43] <tdn> rant, no io errors in dmesg
1130[10:30:51] <tdn> or anything unusual
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1132[10:31:22] <tdn> rant, jaxson: ls gives: /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-amd64 /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-4-amd64
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1136[10:33:58] <jaxson> yeh I see .. and what does dpkg -l | grep linux-image
1137[10:34:00] <jaxson> give you?
1138[10:34:36] <tdn> paste.yt/p6458.html
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1144[10:36:50] <jaxson> ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-amd64 /vmlinux
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1146[10:37:08] <jaxson> try that as root.. but again I'm not sure what would happen to remove it in the first place
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1149[10:38:52] <jaxson> ls -s /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64 /initrd.img
1150[10:38:57] <jaxson> that one too ..
1151[10:39:15] <jaxson> and make sure they are there before rebooting: ls -l /
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1156[10:40:39] <tdn> jaxson, you mean /vmlinuz ?
1157[10:40:50] <jaxson> yeh .. my bad
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1159[10:41:16] <jaxson> that will point to your older ver .. once you know it is good with a reboot .. then try the reinstall of the new one
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1161[10:42:05] <tdn> jaxson, did that now.
1162[10:42:12] <tdn> jaxson, then reinstall latest kernel image?
1163[10:42:24] <jaxson> so you have done the ls -l /
1164[10:42:24] <tdn> why /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-amd64 and not 10:31 < tdn> rant, jaxson: ls gives: /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-amd64 /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-4-amd64
1165[10:42:57] <jaxson> could've done the latest .. but if it doesn't work you haven't broken it ;)
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1168[10:43:34] <tdn> jaxson, replaced-url
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1170[10:43:57] <jaxson> yep
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1173[10:44:11] <tdn> jaxson, then what now? Reinstall linux image package? Or just reboot?
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1175[10:44:46] <tdn> Please note the server is remote (like 1000s of km away) so I really want to be sure that it does boot
1176[10:44:50] <jaxson> apt-get reinstall linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64
1177[10:44:53] <jaxson> err
1178[10:44:57] <jaxson> apt-get reinstall linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
1179[10:45:06] <tdn> E: Invalid operation reinstall
1180[10:45:11] <tdn> install --reinstall instead?
1181[10:45:14] <jaxson> yeh
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1183[10:46:02] <tdn> replaced-url
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1185[10:46:27] <jaxson> try the latest ver
1186[10:46:37] <tdn> To see if the symlinks change?
1187[10:46:38] <jaxson> apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
1188[10:46:42] <jaxson> yep
1189[10:46:47] <tdn> OK
1190[10:46:54] <jaxson> and to fix any boot issues with grub
1191[10:47:45] <tdn> replaced-url
1192[10:47:49] <tdn> Symlinks did not change
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1194[10:48:04] <tdn> /etc/kernel-img.conf:7: W: ignoring unknown parameter warn_initrd
1195[10:48:10] <tdn> What does this mean?
1196[10:48:54] <jaxson> how long since you did a reinstall?
1197[10:49:09] <jaxson> so it's got left over things there still..
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1199[10:49:36] <tdn> a complete reinstall of OS? Or of linux image?
1200[10:49:43] <jaxson> complete
1201[10:49:48] <tdn> It is probably 3 years
1202[10:49:57] <Tarrasquero> lol
1203[10:49:59] <tdn> Debian 7 I think
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1206[10:52:01] <jaxson> yeh it's just left over stuff .. I'm just checking how they point the kernel image on the latest..
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1211[10:53:05] <jaxson> I don't run the latest so just checking..
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1216[10:58:01] <tdn> Not sure how to move forward from here...
1217[10:58:15] <rant> sounds vaguely like you were discussing the Microsoft(r) Windows(tm) diagnostic tree of reboot > reinstall > buy a new computer
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1223[11:00:51] <jaxson> tdn .. I'm updating to that kernel since it's a good idea anyway .. but I'm doing it locally so less risk/pain
1224[11:01:40] <jaxson> and it didn't update the sym link either..
1225[11:02:06] <jaxson> I'll brb ;)
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1228[11:06:03] <testingteststuff> How much write IO can I expect with a basic debian install in a VM? (No swap)
1229[11:06:21] <jelly> testingteststuff: depends on your block device backend?
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1231[11:06:56] <testingteststuff> well, I hope to run a portable QEMU VM (debian guest) from a USB drive
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1233[11:07:06] <jelly> and the whole stack and testing methodology really
1234[11:07:44] <testingteststuff> generally just hoping to not wear out the drive too quickly
1235[11:08:35] <jelly> oh, you aim for _less_ writes?
1236[11:09:06] <testingteststuff> yes, I have broken nice drives before with live ubuntu, so am being a little more careful this time.
1237[11:09:11] <jelly> that requies some tuning
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1240[11:10:16] <jelly> debian does not take precautions to avoid writes, best install it on a hdd or an ssd with decent leveling (ie. not a random cheap usb stick)
1241[11:10:29] <testingteststuff> would it be worth tuning debian, or just trying to run puppy or something? The current need for this vm is to be able to work with c++ on windows machines
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1244[11:11:29] <veek> when you do apt-get update does the update install patches or the whole pkg
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1246[11:11:41] <jelly> testingteststuff: I'd say get an external hdd and don't worry about writes
1247[11:11:55] <jelly> veek: apt-get update does not install anything
1248[11:12:01] <testingteststuff> ok, thanks for the advice :)
1249[11:12:08] <veek> sorry upgrade
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1251[11:12:16] <veek> dist-upgrade
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1253[11:12:39] <jelly> veek: it's always whole packages
1254[11:12:59] <veek> so the existing installed pkg gets nuked barring cfg files
1255[11:13:16] <veek> thanks jelly
1256[11:13:18] <jelly> their contents get replaced, yes
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1258[11:14:13] <jelly> files marked as conffile are an exception. There can be some other less common exceptions.
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1262[11:15:06] <jelly> veek: see /msg dpkg conffile, and /msg dpkg divert, if interested
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1274[11:21:35] <hipodilski> hi guys
1275[11:22:00] <hipodilski> I ha ve a question I'm just upgrading to debian unstable and there was a changelog pointing out what was changed in debian unstable compared to stretch
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1277[11:22:32] <hipodilski> I quitted that messages and continued with update but I want to read the messages any idea where or how can I read that, run command or do what?
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1279[11:22:56] <jelly> hipodilski: was this output of apt-listchanges?
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1283[11:23:32] <jelly> if you configured apt-listchanges to also send you the changes in mail, you'd have them in mail
1284[11:23:48] <hipodilski> jelly: i don't know
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1289[11:24:11] <hipodilski> jelly: could be
1290[11:24:25] <hipodilski> can I review the whole output once again after I've upgraded?
1291[11:25:09] <jelly> that question has the same answer, yes if you configured it that way
1292[11:25:22] <hipodilski> jelly: no i didn't do any configuration
1293[11:25:37] <jelly> hipodilski: you must have at the time you installed id.
1294[11:25:40] <jelly> it*
1295[11:25:55] <jelly> hipodilski: check local root mailbox. If you have no idea how apt-listchanges is configured, run "dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges"
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1297[11:26:46] <jelly> also, consider running all your upgrades with an output log, eg. inside "script"
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1299[11:27:30] <jelly> I do that, and scroll thru the whole changelog even if I'm not going to read it right away, and also make sure both news and changelogs are sent via mail.
1300[11:28:21] <jelly> hipodilski: presumably you've read the sid faq
1301[11:28:23] <hipodilski> jelly: no mail for root
1302[11:28:34] <jelly> !sid faq
1303[11:28:34] <dpkg> replaced-url
1304[11:28:41] <jelly> !debian-next
1305[11:28:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1306[11:29:39] <jelly> hipodilski: if you want to help with unstable, you'll probably want to learn the tools like apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs
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1309[11:32:11] <veek> if the box freezes due to a disk error or some such thing - where's the coredump created
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1311[11:32:30] <veek> my X is acting weird
1312[11:32:39] <veek> and i had to rest twice
1313[11:32:46] <veek> hard reset
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1321[11:38:11] <hipodilski> jelly: yes you're right I haven't used seriously debian for quite a long time and many things changed since then
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1323[11:38:55] <_raven_> which architecture to use for building two encrypted and compressing partitions onto a raid5 array?
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1348[11:58:04] <plasmik> Hi everyone! I'll be grateful for a hint how can I create an alias "LiberMono" for "Liberation Mono" font on my system.
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1356[12:03:32] <plasmik> Ok, I seem to have figured it out by now.
1357[12:03:37] <plasmik> bye!
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1390[12:19:21] <linurandy> Hello to everyone, I've a problem with my bluetooth triying o link my headset wireless with my debian 9 in my lenovo's ThinkPad Edge E431 laptop with serial number: PF108R5, i been read and i was do it all configurations and nothing, i need light to resolev that
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1395[12:22:34] <linurandy> hello??
1396[12:22:51] <linurandy> someone saw my mesage??
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1428[12:34:37] <durg> hi
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1430[12:35:16] <durg> which torrent clients in debian are checked frequently for security holes?
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1432[12:35:44] <durg> how can i find out?
1433[12:36:04] <joze> dunno lol
1434[12:36:59] <durg> i want to share the amd64-dvds, but i need a secure client
1435[12:37:23] <durg> maybe all of them are checked by the team, but it seems a lot of work
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1478[12:59:51] <tdn> Are /vmlinuz and /initrd.img still required in debian 9.2?
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1488[13:02:55] <tdn> BRB reboot
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1490[13:03:00] <tremon> I don't think they've ever been required
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1497[13:06:23] <linurandy> Hello to everyone, I've a problem with my bluetooth triying o link my headset wireless with my debian 9 in my lenovo's ThinkPad Edge E431 laptop with serial number: PF108R5, i been read and i was do it all configurations and nothing, i need light to resolev that
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1510[13:20:42] <rant> linurandy: you need not repeat, we don't need your serial number, but kudos for thinking to provide information
1511[13:21:30] <rant> linurandy: info that would be relevant here is what software you're using to try do this and what your're doing, and what its doing when you try get it to work
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1515[13:22:57] <rant> linurandy: we have over 4 complete Desktop Environments in debian, and tons of packages that all do the same thing. so it helps to mention which software you're talking about and what its (not) doing.
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1518[13:23:16] <Antares> replaced-url
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1521[13:23:49] <rant> ?
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1523[13:25:01] <Vizva> what kind of scam is that?
1524[13:25:19] <vigilantLime> If i were to install owncloud on a raspbian, would it be ok to follow the owncloud debian instructions?
1525[13:25:44] <vigilantLime> (docs)
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1527[13:26:43] <linurandy> i'm using the default that was installed by debian 9.2
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1529[13:27:22] <rant> linurandy: there is no default. there are 4 different isos you can download that each install one of our 4 largest and most popular environments
1530[13:27:55] <rant> linurandy: Gnome, KDE, XFCE and LXDE are the big 4
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1532[13:28:29] <rant> vigilantLime: that would be a question for the rasbian users/developers
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1534[13:28:42] <rant> vigilantLime: but more than likely yes
1535[13:28:47] <linurandy> i'm installed debian-9.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso with Gnome environment
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1538[13:30:53] <rant> linurandy: so you are doing what exactly to try pair this device? going to system > bluetooth?
1539[13:31:07] <linurandy> rant: my wireless card is broadcom BCM43142
1540[13:31:26] <rant> yeah those are a pain to use
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1543[13:32:16] <linurandy> i do that and the buetooth w$ said bluetooth off
1544[13:32:30] <rant> linurandy: problem may be firmware missing open a terminal and see if you get any messages about missing firmware when you run dmeg | grep -i firmware
1545[13:32:56] <rant> linurandy: also those laptops often have either hard or soft switches to turn the radio on/off
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1547[13:33:22] <linurandy> soft
1548[13:34:04] <linurandy> said: [ 0.392275] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
1549[13:34:07] <linurandy> [ 19.338946] psmouse serio2: trackpoint: IBM TrackPoint firmware: 0x0e, buttons: 3/3 [ 31.641628] r8169 0000:05:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw
1550[13:34:52] <rant> linurandy: well if thats all you got, then those messages are all not relevant to your bluetooth
1551[13:34:58] <linurandy> don't said nothing about lost firmware
1552[13:35:12] <linurandy> i do that
1553[13:35:18] <linurandy> let me explain you
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1556[13:36:05] <rant> linurandy: now before I tell you anything else you need to understand that you can't paste stuff in here like that, if you'd pasted more than 2 lines the bot would have kicked you out. You need to use replaced-url
1557[13:36:41] <abff> you can use pastebinit to automatically pipe output there as well
1558[13:36:42] <linurandy> sorry
1559[13:36:58] <rant> linurandy: the command "hcitool dev" (without the quotes) should tell you if your bluetooth device is installed and working, the command "hcitool scan" will tell you about any bluetooth devices nearby
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1561[13:37:55] <linurandy> the command hcitool dev nothing said
1562[13:38:26] <rant> linurandy: if that command gave no output then its likely your bluetooth device is not properly loaded at this time. Are you sure its switched on?
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1564[13:38:50] <linurandy> yes
1565[13:39:04] <linurandy> at least in the window
1566[13:39:11] <rant> linurandy: you have an indicator light for bluetooth?
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1569[13:40:30] <rant> I have an old IBM Thinkpad T42p and the wifi light is on but not the bluetooth light indicating the bluetooth is disabled
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1574[13:41:48] <linurandy> i don-t see a light
1575[13:42:12] <linurandy> let me explan you what i did
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1582[13:44:13] <linurandy> i install those firmware b43-fwcutter, firmware-b43-installer firmware-brcm80211
1583[13:44:53] <linurandy> then i read this documentation replaced-url
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1586[13:45:04] <linurandy> and nothing happen
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1588[13:45:17] <linurandy> what o you think?
1589[13:45:45] <rant> I'm not certain but while I believe the chip you mentioned is a hybrid wifi/bluetooth chip, linux doesn't see it that way, it treats the wifi side as a pci b43 wifi, but the bluetooth as a usb device
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1593[13:46:08] <rant> you could verify this by checking output of the lsusb command
1594[13:46:09] <linurandy> yes i think the same
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1599[13:46:50] <linurandy> nothing about broadcom
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1605[13:48:26] <rant> hmm.. check lspci
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1607[13:49:01] <mr__tea> hey rant
1608[13:49:05] <rant> actually do lspci -nn and tell me the number inside the [ ] brackets
1609[13:49:29] <rant> should be 105b: something possibly e065
1610[13:49:36] <linurandy> see that replaced-url
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1612[13:50:48] <rant> linurandy: yes, thats not showing anything 105b: (broadcom) how about lspci -nn ?
1613[13:52:11] <linurandy> replaced-url
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1616[13:53:40] <linurandy> what do you think?
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1623[13:56:02] <rant> well 14e4:4365 is the device.. but I thought that chip was handled (the bluetooth side anyhow) by btusb driver
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1626[13:58:19] <linurandy> Do you think that i have to remove the /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd
1627[13:58:42] <rant> linurandy: try "rmmod btusb; modprobe btusb; dmesg | tail"
1628[13:58:57] <rant> see what it says when the driver I _think_ it uses is loaded
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1630[13:59:36] <linurandy> or another dirver
1631[14:00:10] <linurandy> i made innoextract to the lenovo dirver for w$ and the hex2hcd and the copied BCM20702A1_001.002.014.0449.0462.hcd to /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd
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1635[14:01:37] <linurandy> replaced-url
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1641[14:02:41] <rant> linurandy: if you'd responded I missed it, I got disconnected
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1643[14:03:07] <linurandy> replaced-url
1644[14:03:43] <linurandy> i made innoextract to the lenovo dirver for w$ and the hex2hcd and the copied BCM20702A1_001.002.014.0449.0462.hcd to /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd
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1647[14:04:37] <rant> yes well that driver was already loaded and reloaded without any errors.. yet you say the hcitool didn't show your device
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1649[14:05:11] <rant> which suggest to me either I'm all wrong about what driver supports this, or its not claiming that device
1650[14:06:06] <linurandy> what I do?
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1653[14:07:12] <rant> linurandy: check modinfo btusb
1654[14:07:24] <rant> that should list what devices that driver is compiled to support and claim
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1656[14:08:30] <linurandy> replaced-url
1657[14:08:47] <rant> afaik there are no pci bt drivers in linux.. they all are used as usb
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1662[14:10:51] <linurandy> what i do?
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1664[14:11:54] <rant> idk honestly I think its hardware disabled
1665[14:12:00] <rant> as in the switch is off
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1667[14:13:15] <rant> linurandy: check rfkill list all
1668[14:13:25] <linurandy> well in my wireless card i can't create hospot to
1669[14:13:35] <linurandy> maibe for that
1670[14:14:02] <rant> linurandy: well that you're more than likely not going to be able to do.. because brodcom usually doesn't let their devices be used in master or monitor modes
1671[14:14:20] <rant> these devices are crap, and I avoid them
1672[14:14:25] <linurandy> replaced-url
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1674[14:14:47] <abff> did you check the bios
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1676[14:15:12] <linurandy> what i hav see?
1677[14:15:13] <abff> brcm usually let the bios dictate whether or not it's available
1678[14:15:18] <rant> well rfkill says its not blocked
1679[14:15:49] <rant> but then agian btusb didnt show it being claimed either, and lsusb doesnt show it
1680[14:16:24] <rant> I've never used the bluetooth side of one of those hybrid chips before so I'm at a loss and trying to go off what I can find online which is all way outdated
1681[14:17:57] <abff> the only bt I ever used was a 5 dollar usb chinastick for sixaxis
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1683[14:18:25] <linurandy> what i do?
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1685[14:18:39] <abff> see if it's disabled in the bios
1686[14:18:54] <rant> if it were me I'd sell the thing to a windows user and go buy a laptop without broadcom anything :P
1687[14:18:57] <linurandy> but the rfkill said no
1688[14:19:15] <linurandy> jejeje
1689[14:19:15] <rant> I'd think if it were disabled in the bios rfkill would not even see it at all
1690[14:19:19] <abff> it knows it should be there
1691[14:20:06] <linurandy> see you later i'm going to the bios
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1693[14:20:17] <abff> just replace the wifi dont sell your wohle freaking laptop
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1697[14:20:38] <alioui_> i need help with vnc4server
1698[14:21:05] <alioui_> the server seems to work fine till a client connect to it
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1700[14:22:19] <alioui_> from the client i get a message that "can not start D-Bus can you start qdbus"
1701[14:22:30] <alioui_> from the server log i get
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1709[14:25:31] <alioui_> XIO: fatal IO 11 (Reesource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":1"
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1712[14:25:49] <alioui_> any idea how to solve this
1713[14:25:52] <alioui_> ?
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1715[14:27:07] <dontknow> how can i stop and start the session in tty?
1716[14:27:22] <dontknow> kde plasma
1717[14:28:17] <alioui_> dontknow
1718[14:28:49] <debuser52453> Hello, I just finished installing debian 9 stretch on a small nuc style machine Gigabyte BACE-3000 barebone pc. After installing lm-sensors i can see that the CPU temperature is always pretty high, around 65-70 °C with a max of 90°. This small barebone pc is fanless, the processor is an Intel Celeron N3000 dual core cpu with no HT.
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1720[14:29:12] <jelly> dontknow: you can stop and start the sddm service (or whatever *dm you have running)
1721[14:29:14] <debuser52453> My question is, should i install manually some extra driver to make the CPU frequency scale down when in idle to save some power and lower the temps ?
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1732[14:32:52] <linurandy> i'm come back
1733[14:33:00] <linurandy> all in the bios ok
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1735[14:35:08] <linurandy> but i see when OS was loading that error: usb 3-1.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110
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1756[14:45:30] <linurandy> if you'd responded I missed it, I got disconnected
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1765[14:51:19] <elios> hi, can anyone help me to import debian stale pub_keys?
1766[14:51:29] <elios> s/stale/stable
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1768[14:53:54] <elios> getting following error message after apt update " The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010"
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1779[15:04:43] <dionysus69> is there a process history
1780[15:04:58] <dionysus69> I am interested at the time process was terminated and the reason
1781[15:05:09] <dionysus69> specifically puma webserver
1782[15:06:48] <tremon> only if your puma webserver was started as a proper service. In that case, you can use journalctl -u puma.service
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1785[15:07:31] <tremon> if it's started outside of systemd, you'll have to chase the puma logs (and hope that puma wrote any)
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1791[15:11:55] <jelly> elios: which debian release is this supposed to be?
1792[15:13:05] <jelly> elios: pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list, please, and contents of any files matching /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list
1793[15:13:11] <elios> jelly: stable 9.x ...stretch?
1794[15:13:58] <jelly> 46925553 was a signature key for debian 7
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1796[15:14:30] <elios> sources.list.d is empty... i removed wheezy ones.
1797[15:14:48] <jelly> and 2B90D010 for debian 8
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1799[15:15:07] <elios> jelly: yeah i only need stretch
1800[15:15:18] * jelly waits for the paste
1801[15:15:21] <jelly> !paste
1802[15:15:21] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1804[15:15:42] <elios> as i said earlier, it's empty.
1805[15:16:01] <jelly> elios: /etc/apt/sources.list shouldn't be empty
1806[15:17:57] <elios> sources.list.d is. i still can install packages tho since sources.list is either is stable main, stable/ubdates main, and stable-updates main.
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1808[15:19:01] <jelly> elios: but you can't put it all into a paste site?
1809[15:19:20] <elios> it's fine i can assure you
1810[15:19:35] * jelly shrugs
1811[15:21:15] <jelly> elios: read /msg dpkg stretch sources.list
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1813[15:21:37] <jelly> and make sure you use the codename "stretch" explicitely, not "stable"
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1816[15:22:02] <elios> deb replaced-url
1817[15:22:12] <jelly> I'm afraid I can't offer further suggestions without seeing the actual file
1818[15:22:26] <elios> ^
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1820[15:22:39] <elios> that's it
1821[15:23:23] <elios> stable/updates on the second one
1822[15:23:37] <themill> elios: It'd be great if you actually pastebinned it as requested. Your summary has been incorrect 3 times now.
1823[15:23:59] <themill> The output of 'apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring; apt-cache policy' would be nice to see too
1824[15:25:19] <elios> yeah it's definitely there
1825[15:25:56] <jelly> it's not that hard to pastebin stuff from files, you need a browser and copy/paste functionality, or curl
1826[15:26:01] <elios> i just deleted wheezy an another one but the system runs on debian stable.
1827[15:26:18] <elios> i deleted none of stretch/stable
1828[15:26:20] <themill> ...
1829[15:26:35] <jelly> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' replaced-url
1830[15:26:35] <jelly> replaced-url
1831[15:26:44] <jelly> elios: ^^ do that
1832[15:26:57] <elios> i don't have curl
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1835[15:27:40] <jelly> elios: and you can't install it?
1836[15:27:45] <elios> i just want to import two keys and be done with it
1837[15:27:47] <themill> elios: So use something else instead.
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1840[15:28:33] <jelly> elios: the thing is, if you only use stretch repos from debian mirrors, you shouldn't need to import keys for wheezy and jessie
1841[15:28:51] <jelly> so something else is going on, and it might be nice to find the cause
1842[15:29:10] <elios> or rather 3 keys
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1846[15:30:39] <elios> or remove them idk
1847[15:31:17] <themill> So I take it there is no chance of us seeing some useful output that would help us help you?
1848[15:31:54] <jelly> elios: which version of debian-archive-keyring package is installed?
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1850[15:32:48] <jelly> elios: dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring | tail -n 1
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1864[15:41:55] <linurandy> someone to help me with my bluettoth
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1866[15:42:21] <raidghost> what seems to be the problem linurandy
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1869[15:43:03] <linurandy> can you see the history of this irc channel?
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1871[15:43:28] <elios> jelly: ii debian-archive-keyring 2017.5 all GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive
1872[15:43:33] <linurandy> not problem i explain again
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1874[15:44:31] <linurandy> Hello to everyone, I've a problem with my bluetooth triying o link my headset wireless with my debian 9 in my lenovo's ThinkPad Edge E431 laptop with serial number: PF108R5, i been read and i was do it all configurations and nothing, i need light to resolev that
1875[15:44:55] <linurandy> i'm installed debian-9.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso with Gnome environment
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1877[15:45:12] <linurandy> my wireless card is broadcom BCM43142
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1879[15:45:37] <linurandy> replaced-url
1880[15:45:44] <themill> elios: and what version of apt is installed?
1881[15:45:45] <linurandy> replaced-url
1882[15:45:50] <rant> linurandy: chill a second
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1884[15:46:15] <rant> linurandy: pretty much 90728 thru 990733 belongs to his issue,
1885[15:46:15] <elios> themill: version 1.4.8
1886[15:46:33] <linurandy> thanks
1887[15:46:52] <veek> i have a squeeze 6 i386 dvd and when i try to rescue mount ext4 i get sda3 couldn't mount unsupported option 2c0 and something about RDWR 400
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1889[15:46:53] <themill> elios: then I really do want to see the things we've already asked for in a pastebin
1890[15:46:56] <jelly> elios: and are you able to install curl right now without scary questions from apt?
1891[15:47:01] <veek> what's going on?
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1893[15:47:19] <jelly> elios: or pastebinit, that's also fine
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1895[15:47:50] <rant> rfkill shows it unblocked, hcitool dev doesnt show the device, firmware for device was installed with b43 cutter
1896[15:47:50] <elios> yes, but i rather use pastebin or similar.
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1899[15:48:02] <themill> elios: how about actually doing so?
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1901[15:48:16] <elios> themill: i'm trying to figure stuff out here
1902[15:48:38] <elios> it's the jessie key i deleted after upgrading dist
1903[15:48:56] <themill> perhaps you can explain that?
1904[15:49:47] <elios> i deleted it out of /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
1905[15:50:21] <elios> since i only need the stretch ones.
1906[15:50:49] <elios> which are still there
1907[15:50:49] <themill> that's not correct
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1909[15:51:20] <elios> can you elaborate on that themill ?
1910[15:51:42] <themill> elios: you probably still have /var/cache/apt/archives/debian-archive-keyring*deb present; reinstall it
1911[15:51:49] <elios> i'm pretty sure i deleted only jessie
1912[15:51:57] <themill> so?
1913[15:51:59] <elios> will try
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1915[15:52:23] <linurandy> rant: any idea about that usb 3-1.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110
1916[15:53:06] <elios> well there are none themill
1917[15:53:15] <themill> none what?
1918[15:53:27] <elios> no keyrings
1919[15:53:43] <rant> linurandy: that sort of thing is really common and could be anything, but you could narrow it down by cross-referencing 3 and 1.3 with the output of lsusb and see what device has that address
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1921[15:53:55] <themill> elios: where? what are you talking about?
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1924[15:54:10] <themill> pretend I can't see your screen
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1926[15:54:21] <rant> heh
1927[15:54:28] <elios> the directory you posted. i have no debian-*.deb in there
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1929[15:54:44] <themill> then try installing it with apt
1930[15:55:07] <themill> and, most likely, do the confmiss dance
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1932[15:56:02] <elios> what is the exact name of the package?
1933[15:56:38] <elios> nvm: debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version (2017.5).
1934[15:56:50] <linurandy> rant: none
1935[15:56:53] <themill> tell it to reinstall i
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1938[15:57:51] <elios> i did
1939[15:57:54] <elios> same thing
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1941[15:58:26] <themill> meaning what?
1942[15:58:45] <elios> the keys i supposedly are missing where are they and how can i import them?
1943[15:58:58] <themill> !confmiss
1944[15:58:58] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
1945[15:59:02] <elios> themill: after apt update i get the same error message about missing keys
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1947[15:59:38] <elios> i did apt-get install --reinstall debian-archive-keyrings without any problems
1948[15:59:53] <elios> keyring*
1949[15:59:56] <themill> except it did nothing
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1951[16:00:05] <gpunk> elios: maybe a non updated depot
1952[16:00:13] <elios> it did reinstall them
1953[16:00:21] <themill> "it" "them" ffs
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1956[16:00:38] <elios> apt did it for me
1957[16:00:46] <themill> DID WHAT
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1959[16:01:00] <elios> reinstall said package
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1961[16:01:19] <themill> except it did not replace deleted conffiles, as already pointed out
1962[16:01:22] <elios> i can dpkg-reconfigure if it helps you calm down.
1963[16:01:30] <elios> ah
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1966[16:03:19] <elios> these are the missing keys apt keeps complaining about "NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010 NO_PUBKEY 9D6D8F6BC857C906"
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1970[16:04:46] <elios> and my sources list is 3 lines long. nothing more nothing less. as posted before
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1972[16:05:31] <themill> So have you reinstalled debian-archive-keyring such that the keyring files are now present?
1973[16:05:54] <elios> should i purge it and reinstall?
1974[16:06:00] <themill> no need
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1982[16:08:10] <elios> yes they s̶e̶e̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶ are there.
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1984[16:08:47] <themill> Does apt-key list now list them?
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1988[16:09:12] <elios> yes, three times for stretch.
1989[16:09:27] <themill> we're not interested in the stretch keys
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1991[16:09:44] <elios> no other keys themill
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1993[16:10:10] <themill> so what keyrings do you have now?
1994[16:10:15] <elios> the system is 9/stretch
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1997[16:11:57] <elios> debian-archive-stretch-automatic/stretch-security-automatic/stretch-stable
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1999[16:12:14] <themill> so you've not successfully reinstated the keyrings
2000[16:12:30] <elios> that's the only keys i want and need
2001[16:12:41] <themill> incorrect
2002[16:12:58] <elios> incorrect
2003[16:13:03] <themill> if that were correct, we wouldn't have spent an hour going around in circles
2004[16:13:18] <elios> it's stable, i don't need wheezy jessie or bumblebee keys
2005[16:13:24] <themill> incorrect
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2008[16:14:03] <themill> You can keep claiming that you don't need it but apt is telling you that you do. The repo is telling you that you do. I am telling you that you do. debian-archive-keyring includes them because you do.
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2011[16:14:47] <elios> correct
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2015[16:16:11] <elios> can't i just gpg --keyserv --rec-keys somehow?
2016[16:16:38] <themill> There is no need
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2018[16:16:54] <elios> because they already there somehow?
2019[16:16:55] <themill> (and you can't trust that)
2020[16:17:20] <themill> yes, in the debian-archive-keyring package. You should reinstall it and get the conffiles back.
2021[16:17:22] <elios> in the archive...?
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2023[16:18:02] <elios> purge it with fire and install it... but it's not trusted yet. huhuhu
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2025[16:18:28] <elios> idk.
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2028[16:19:34] <elios> themill: where are those conffiles?
2029[16:19:37] <themill> Given you refuse to pastebin commands and output, I don't know what you have or haven't done and I'm afraid I've also lost interest.
2030[16:19:50] <themill> (dpkg already told you that)
2031[16:19:59] <elios> oh. right.
2032[16:20:03] * elios scrolls up
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2035[16:21:23] <elios> what's the equivalent to aptitude -o?
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2043[16:26:44] <elios> dpkg: how do i do that but just with apt?
2044[16:26:45] * dpkg does that but just with apt
2045[16:26:52] <elios> oh great
2046[16:26:58] <elios> hahah
2047[16:28:24] <elios> themill: pls don't give up on me. i don't have the aptitude package installed.
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2052[16:30:26] <elios> themill: i got it!
2053[16:30:49] <elios> why do i need wheezy and jessie keyrings in debian stable tho?
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2057[16:32:50] <elios> take this $aptitude
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2060[16:34:10] <elios> themill: it works now. thanks for your not-patience but still. :3
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2161[17:28:15] <Walex> bev_: on IRC questions about special narrow topics usually dobn't work very well
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2166[17:29:03] <rant> bev_: yes, mailinglists are often more useful in those cases
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2168[17:29:37] <rant> bev_: lkml comes to mind since you're talking about a driver in the kernel and specific hardware
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2171[17:30:14] <rant> seems to me thats the best place to reach savvy people with the know-how you're looking for
2172[17:30:31] <bev_> Walex: rant: thanks
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2175[17:30:58] <Walex> bev_: BTW having a look I suspect your question is wrong :-)
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2177[17:31:07] <bev_> i'll dig first and try to ask a smart question
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2179[17:31:43] <Walex> bev_: for touchscreens there are specific tables/convertible oriented X11 discussion mailing lists
2180[17:31:46] <rant> merely getting a driver to recognize something is simple.. you just add the vend:prod id to the driver.. doesn't mean it will work with it
2181[17:32:09] <Walex> bev_: for touchscreens there are specific tablet/convertible oriented X11 discussion mailing lists
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2185[17:32:42] <bev_> Walex: please kindly point-me to one :)
2186[17:33:16] <rant> I'd head over to the Xorg or such project pages and look for their mailinglists
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2188[17:33:26] <Walex> bev_: the error I think you are making BTW is that you think the driver for an output device is also the driver for an input device.
2189[17:33:45] <bev_> True
2190[17:34:28] <Walex> bev_: replaced-url
2191[17:34:37] <bev_> heh :)
2192[17:34:57] <rant> If it were me I'd go broad on both kernel and X project mailinglists
2193[17:35:09] <rant> those are where hardware savvy people are found
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2195[17:35:28] <Walex> bev_: probably you should be looking at tyhe 'libinput' driver not the 'gma500' driver
2196[17:35:43] <bev_> hmm, 'k
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2203[17:36:12] <bev_> thanks both for your advices
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2207[17:36:43] <Walex> bev_: actually robably 'evdev' rather than 'libinput'
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2209[17:37:13] <Walex> bev_: replaced-url
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2214[17:39:04] <khyrthy> hello
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2232[17:47:52] <rant> greetings fellow traveller
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2246[17:52:21] <rant> so I've been away for quite awhile and I'm not real familiar with all the new changes in our branches, things like LTS and such.. what I'm curious about is if there is any real point in filing bugs against olstable/stable if they're non-security related?
2247[17:53:20] <rant> will it help the project any doing so, and will it be likely from my end that I'd see any fixes?
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2249[17:54:56] <rant> I'm asking now in particular because I'm on a jessie system and I think I found a pretty serious issue in tint2 that is locking my xsession up quite frequently and I'm wondering if I should bother running it down and filing a bug or just pull a newer version and/or use something else
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2263[18:01:04] <McErroneous> HI, in which file is the $PATH -variable stored... ?
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2265[18:02:06] <rant> McErroneous: its not stored in a file.. but if you mean where is it typically set at.. that would be different
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2273[18:04:44] <rant> McErroneous: globally its set in /etc/profile by per-user it can be set in ~/.profile however its just an environment variable its not "stored" in a file, its stored in the shell's environment
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2295[18:13:06] <McErroneous> Snoop Doggy Dog..., thanx ranty panty..
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2299[18:15:59] <rant> heh wow.. do you have a time machine?
2300[18:16:48] <rant> your lingo sounds like it came straight out of the early 90s
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2302[18:17:21] <rant> and fwiw its Dogg
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2342[18:41:00] <McErroneous> Aunty ranty, but like say this machine had only 32MB or RAm and had to write part of its internal memory out to HDD(swapfile) , than it would be stored in a file, right lawyer anty ?
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2347[18:44:04] <rant> haha
2348[18:44:41] <rant> McErroneous: ok you're not allowed to be weirder than me..
2349[18:44:54] <rant> this has got to stop :P
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2363[18:49:43] <nomad> hello
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2366[18:50:36] <nomad> anybody know of a good way to search a tree for executes only?
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2374[18:55:01] <RoyK> Dogmann: find /tree -perm 755 ?
2375[18:55:10] <RoyK> not sure how to search for only +x, though
2376[18:55:27] <RoyK> Dogmann: find /tree -type f -perm 755 ?
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2380[18:56:36] <Dogmann> I will try that, would you mind explaining the process behind that command?
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2382[18:56:40] <rant> I thought you'd just look for the corpses dangling for the branches.
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2384[18:57:01] <rant> Dogmann: 755 means its executable by owner, read/write by group and other
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2387[18:57:29] <Dogmann> ahhh awesome thanks man
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2389[18:57:32] <rant> Dogmann: its rather specific and wouldn't catch files that are also executable by group or other
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2391[18:57:46] <RoyK> rant: no, it's read-write-execute by owner and read-execute by group and others
2392[18:57:53] <rant> or that were not read/write by group or other
2393[18:57:57] <Dogmann> what would i use for all executes?
2394[18:58:06] <rant> RoyK: yes if you want to be specific
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2399[18:58:52] <RoyK> Dogmann: man find is a good start
2400[18:59:04] <rant> Dogmann: -executable
2401[18:59:20] <rant> but that will match directories as well
2402[18:59:50] <RoyK> find /path -type f -executable
2403[18:59:57] * RoyK didn't know -executable
2404[19:00:06] <jelly> !using find
2405[19:00:06] <dpkg> it has been said that using find is replaced-url
2406[19:00:35] <Dogmann> I apreciate all the advice guys
2407[19:00:47] <rant> find /tree -type f -executable
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2410[19:01:24] <jelly> does that differ from -perm /111 ?
2411[19:01:25] <Dogmann> I apreciate all the advice guys
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2413[19:01:34] <rant> hmm.. apparently you said that already while I was in another window
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2415[19:01:55] <jelly> (yes, says the manual)
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2418[19:02:39] <dTal> Dogmann: why did you ask the same question in #archlinux when people were already helping you here
2419[19:02:53] <Dogmann> i asked before i got a response
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2421[19:03:45] <Shadowcrit> Got a fresh new KVM with a Debian 8 image installed, and I am trying to change the locale to USA english. the output for localectl -list-locales doesn't have USA EN, it has en_GB what can I do to change this?
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2424[19:04:05] <rant> Is there any point to filing non-security bugs against olstable/stable? will it be of any use to the developers or likely to bring any fixes to me?
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2426[19:04:50] <RoyK> rant: did you just copy/paste that find command from me? ;)
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2429[19:05:23] <jelly> rant: if those are still unfixed in sid, or make a package completely unusable, yes
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2434[19:07:31] <rant> jelly: I figured as much.. what would you do in this case then? I think tint2 has been responsible for hanging my X session and if I simply tried to backport sid to jessie I may introduce other issues and further complicate the bug report.. so I'm not sure
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2436[19:08:45] <rant> I'd need to do more digging to compile a bug report either way, I'm just trying to figure out what would be the most sensible way to deal with such issues
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2438[19:09:32] <jelly> rant: I have no idea what tint2 is but if you can reliably trigger bugs in gpu drivers that's a gpu driver issue, not necessarily a problem in the userspace triggering it
2439[19:10:06] <rant> jelly: its a lightweight panel.. and I dont think its gpu related
2440[19:10:42] <jelly> how do you figure "hanging my X session" is not gpu related
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2448[19:14:02] <rant> jelly: well Idk.. its really bizare what happens. I just had this lxterm with screen and irssi open, a leafpad and a links2, and I closed links2, which is usually when it happens, when closing something.. and the mouse still moves but it wont accept any input (clicks keystrokes), but I can still switch to tty1 and system is responsive
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2451[19:14:38] <jelly> rant: that's not a hang, sounds more like a focus steal issue
2452[19:14:38] <rant> but when I try stop nodm via systemd's service command X won't terminate.. I either gotta slay -9 or such
2453[19:15:02] <rant> jelly: in this instance the text entry cursor was stuck on.. it wasnt an arrow
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2455[19:15:30] <jelly> anything in Xorg log?
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2457[19:15:32] <rant> the service nodm stop will return but X is still stuck
2458[19:15:47] <rant> jelly: not that I've seen in any instance this has happened
2459[19:15:57] <jelly> service command is asynchronous with systemd
2460[19:16:14] <jelly> it doesn't mean it stopped anything, it just asked for things to be stopped
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2462[19:16:55] <rant> but there is other wierdness leading me to tint2.. which is that this system has no RTC and when this happens often the clock in tint2 will revert back to hw time of Dec 31 at 1900hrs, when date in tty1 will still have realtime
2463[19:17:21] <jelly> is that still a tiny arm board
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2465[19:17:26] <rant> then I normally slay -9 the user to solve it and restart nodm, but this time I had for whatever reason killed tint2 and everything else died with it
2466[19:17:41] <rant> if I kill any other of the session processes they all have to be killed one at a time
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2468[19:17:52] <jelly> with a custom vendor kernel and probably custom vendor drivers?
2469[19:18:13] <rant> jelly: yes it is an old kernel and a crazy fb hack
2470[19:18:32] <jelly> then don't be surprised things break
2471[19:18:51] <rant> I'm not all that surprised :P
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2473[19:19:27] <jelly> it's possible the combination of userspace just triggers a bug somewhere
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2475[19:20:10] <jelly> rant: what userspace is this, armhf stretch?
2476[19:20:10] <rant> I've noticed other issues with tint2 though where things stay in the taskbar after being closed or it either fails to start from .xsession or it freezes up
2477[19:20:17] <rant> jelly: yes
2478[19:20:47] <rant> erm no.. its jessie
2479[19:20:47] <jelly> ,v tint2
2480[19:20:49] <judd> Package: tint2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.11+svn20111022-3; jessie: 0.11+svn20121014-3; stretch: 0.12.12-3; buster: 15.1-1; sid: 15.1-1
2481[19:21:05] <jelly> can you do a release upgrade?
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2483[19:21:24] <rant> to stretch you mean?
2484[19:21:28] <jelly> yes
2485[19:21:43] <jelly> rant: and which SoC is there?
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2489[19:22:41] <rant> yeah I was running stretch before I had issues with my sd that i boot from dying and I'd reinstalled and not upgraded this time just to see.. the only issue there is that their fb hack doesnt work "properly" with stretch no matter what I did, but honestly it seemed like it ran better even though I couldnt get es2gears to work on stretch
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2491[19:23:28] <rant> jelly: its the orange pi lite, allwinner h3 512mb ram
2492[19:23:58] <jelly> H3 is a work heavily in progress. Maybe try to get 4.10 from linux-sunxi running.
2493[19:24:14] <rant> afaik the hdmi is not supported yet in mainline
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2495[19:24:24] <jelly> did I say mainline?
2496[19:24:44] <jelly> I don't think I did... I thought I said 4.10 from sunxi people
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2498[19:24:55] <rant> no you didn't but I wasn't aware they had a newer kernel that wasnt mainline
2499[19:25:23] <rant> afaik the sunxi people as you put it use weird board codes.. this one is sun8i I think
2500[19:25:42] <jelly> join #linux-sunxi and read their wiki and mailing lists
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2502[19:26:46] <rant> I'm normally in there, but havent been the past couple days.. I'll look around I guess and see if they have a sun8i kernel for 4.x
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2506[19:28:04] <jelly> there is a lot of stuff being fixed before it gets into the mainline queue, and it's probably the most likely place to help with debugging
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2508[19:28:49] <jelly> sun8i is a reference to the SoC. DTS for specific boards are more detailed iirc
2509[19:29:14] <rant> I'm still on 3.4.113-sun8i which is pretty dated
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2511[19:30:37] <jelly> see replaced-url
2512[19:30:40] <rant> you pretty much gotta use the sunxi cause those xulong kernels from the orange pi people are fubar
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2514[19:31:08] <jelly> > Repositories with H3 patches: Ondřej Jirman's branch for H3 based orange Pi (kernel 4.13) (work-in-progress DVFS) [...] Working HDMI driver (v6 patches from moinejf ported to sunxi-ng clk driver)
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2516[19:31:33] <jelly> rant: most hardware vendors for those boards are useless
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2518[19:32:07] <rant> yeah it had horrible OOM issues and from what I read it also has possibl priv esc vulnerablities
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2522[19:34:44] <rant> well 4.13 IS mainline.. and it can't be more than a couple weeks since I checked on this and it said the HDMI wasnt working yet
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2527[19:36:02] <rant> I need to head over there and try talk to someone cause I'd like to get my hands on a patched source tree.. and I havent been able to find one
2528[19:36:32] <rant> things like this have so many patches its annoying to hunt em all down.. idk why they dont just package up a patched source tree
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2536[19:39:45] <jelly> rant: I literally clicked thru to the H3 page and Orange Pi Lite page on that wiki.
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2556[19:50:45] <McErroneous> Hi, i edited uncommented lines in /root/.bashrc but still after typing source ~/.bashrc && ls -l , i do not get colored "ls " output when root
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2558[19:50:58] <Guest58346> good evening every1
2559[19:51:03] <McErroneous> ls
2560[19:51:38] <Guest58346> Can i ask a question ?
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2563[19:52:22] <Canucktux> don't ask to ask; just ask!
2564[19:52:32] <Canucktux> Guest58346: wutchu up to?
2565[19:52:33] <rant> McErroneous: I dont think colors work with ls -l
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2567[19:53:16] <Guest58346> ok ty... well i installed mint linux
2568[19:53:18] <Canucktux> McErroneous: gotta switch to fish
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2570[19:53:40] <Guest58346> and tried to also install LoL ( League of Legends)
2571[19:53:56] <Guest58346> and i think i can't go further than what i am now
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2573[19:55:13] <Guest58346> a help would be appreciated
2574[19:55:28] <annadane> !mint
2575[19:55:28] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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2577[19:55:59] <Canucktux> I thought LoL was only on windows?
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2579[19:56:29] <Guest58346> Nope but i'll change channel now because this is not the place for mint linux
2580[19:57:11] <Canucktux> kk
2581[19:57:32] <Guest58346> but if you can help me come to that channel as well
2582[19:57:48] <Canucktux> I stick to native ports, good luck though
2583[19:57:56] <Guest58346> ty
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2603[20:09:33] <Ormu1> :O
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2605[20:10:54] <Ormu1> since Debian (and Ubuntu) support S/390x, is it practically possible for a hobbyist to get a used zSeries mainframe for a reasonable price?
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2631[20:20:31] <rant> I seen one in a garage of a guy I was working for once.. just sitting there collecting dust
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2646[20:24:24] <random_numbers> I'm getting ipv6 answers from security.debian.org while I'm on an ipv4 link.
2647[20:24:26] <random_numbers> What should I do?
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2654[20:25:31] <Dagger> DNS is expected to give both A and AAAA records, regardless of the capabilities of your link
2655[20:25:42] <Ormu1> rant: :O
2656[20:25:43] <sharp15> random_numbers: tell me which router you are using? (this is a joke. i'm trying to get ipv6 working)
2657[20:25:50] <Dagger> but if your problem is "apt-get is printing a v6 address in an error message", try `wget security.debian.org` and see what errors you're actually getting
2658[20:26:01] <Ormu1> rant: not *very* reasonable price but not astronomical either: replaced-url
2659[20:26:29] <random_numbers> Dagger: Apt spits out an error, wget gets nothing wrong.
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2661[20:26:38] <Dagger> odds are it's your v4 that's failing, and apt-get is trying v6 as a last-ditch attempt (which obviously fails), and then it only reports the last error rather than all the errors
2662[20:26:50] <random_numbers> ...Okay so it seems to be intermitently happening.
2663[20:26:53] <random_numbers> Because now it works too.
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2667[20:28:41] <Lupen> ciao
2668[20:28:45] <Lupen> !list
2669[20:28:45] <dpkg> lupen: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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2672[20:30:20] <random_numbers> Dagger: I see. I wasn't aware it had fallback behavior. Thanks for mentioning it.
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2694[20:40:01] <Krennic> win 18
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2699[20:44:09] <jhutchins> Ormu1: That's going to use a surprizing amount of power and generate a lot of heat and noise.
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2712[20:50:19] <jhutchins> I hadn't noticed this before but df shows both rootfs and /dev/sda2 mounted on /
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2749[21:07:25] <cha18> I mucked up my /etc/network/interfaces -- I'm installing xen, I made a xenbr0 bridge. I basically have two static IPs, one for my eth6 iface and one for my xenbr0, and I'm trying to "move it over to one static"
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2753[21:08:04] <cha18> in my stanza, does the "bridge_ports eth6" line need to appear before the "address; netmask; gateway" portion of the stanza
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2757[21:10:07] <jhutchins> cha18: See man bridge-utils-interfaces
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2765[21:14:04] <__raven__> how to achieve a remote encrypted file container. kind of encrypted home folder which is decrypted by mounting it with sshfs on a local machine?
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2771[21:15:13] <n4dir> simply sshfs-mounting it and then decrypting it like usual is not an option?
2772[21:15:50] <ber532k> __raven__: No special experience here, but how about a raw disk image with encrypted fs un it?
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2775[21:17:30] <Ormu1> jhutchins: yep. But imagine how cool that would be as a home server :P
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2780[21:18:18] <__raven__> how you would do that setup? plan is to have some vms accessing "their" encrypted file container on a remote nas
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2789[21:21:29] <ber532k> I guess you could sshfs-mount the filesystem containing the raw image and then mount -o loop the raw image or something
2790[21:21:38] <ber532k> but as I said, no experience
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2793[21:22:29] <cha18> jhutchins, got it :)
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2801[21:25:42] <jhutchins> chrissl: xlnt.
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2852[21:55:23] <f3bruary> why can't I put a var in a sed statement
2853[21:55:28] <f3bruary> I'm using double quotes
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2855[21:57:11] <f3bruary> e.g.: color=blue; echo "My shoes are color" | sed "s/color/$color/g"
2856[21:57:27] <f3bruary> I keep getting unterminated `s' command
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2858[21:59:24] <thiras> ok I have a non .deb software I have to install
2859[21:59:40] <well_laid_lawn> └──╼ color=blue; echo "My shoes are color" | sed "s/color/$color/g"
2860[21:59:42] <well_laid_lawn> My shoes are blue
2861[21:59:51] <well_laid_lawn> works ok here
2862[21:59:52] <thiras> Got it procompiled but have no idea which path i should put it
2863[22:00:22] <ber532k> thiras: Is it just a binary?
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2865[22:00:29] <ber532k> Or binary and libraries?
2866[22:00:38] <thiras> with libraries i think
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2868[22:00:49] <f3bruary> well_laid_lawn: which shell are you using ?
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2870[22:00:56] <thiras> got bin include lib share folders in it
2871[22:01:10] <well_laid_lawn> f3bruary: bash
2872[22:01:37] <ber532k> thiras: well, then probably it's already sorted out for you
2873[22:02:12] <thiras> you mean it will work standalone binary?
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2875[22:02:26] <ber532k> but since you might want to remove it with apt remove at some point you should probably make a deb file out of it
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2878[22:03:09] <thiras> ber532k, sure if it's easy process
2879[22:03:22] <ber532k> if you've got a folder with bin lib share etc. in it, it might be expected to have those at some special places
2880[22:03:26] <thiras> actually it's wkhtmltopdf with qt patched
2881[22:03:36] <ber532k> creating deb files is quite easy
2882[22:03:39] <thiras> yeah they are not empty
2883[22:03:56] <thiras> got some .so .h and .inc files
2884[22:04:13] <ber532k> you should probably verify it runs first
2885[22:04:31] <ber532k> run it from shell right away or something ./bin/filename
2886[22:04:55] <thiras> it runs
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2888[22:05:21] <thiras> the funny thing guide i follow just copy it to /usr/local/bin
2889[22:05:31] <thiras> and doesn't care all the other files
2890[22:05:56] <ber532k> try moving it out of the folder and see if it still runs
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2892[22:06:00] <thiras> doesn't seem to me as best practice
2893[22:06:03] <thiras> trying
2894[22:06:06] <ber532k> I would guess not
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2896[22:06:30] <Antares> :)
2897[22:06:33] <thiras> It works
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2900[22:07:11] <ber532k> ok, then copying it to /usr/local/bin (or anywhere in PATH) might do the trick
2901[22:07:13] <muse> I usually just try stuff like that in ~/bin/ and leave it there if it runs
2902[22:07:35] <ber532k> bit I would still write a .deb file if you deploy it somewhere
2903[22:07:43] <thiras> i have to make it avaiable for bash
2904[22:07:56] <ber532k> for personal use or system-wide?
2905[22:07:59] <thiras> ber532k, /usr/local/bin is not managed by apt right?
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2907[22:08:10] <ber532k> idk
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2910[22:08:52] <ber532k> but you could write a deb-control file, copy that and the binary into a folder and have dpkg-deb make a package out of it
2911[22:09:28] <ber532k> since the result would be a binary-only package you wouldn't be able to get it to the official repos, but it should be ok for managing the contents with dpkg / apt
2912[22:10:47] <ber532k> I'll just write a quick gist describing how to get a .deb file if you want
2913[22:11:22] <thiras> wow that would be amazing
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2922[22:18:15] <ber532k> thiras: here's a dead simple example for creating a working deb file: replaced-url
2923[22:18:32] <thiras> thank very much ber532k checking now
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2926[22:18:41] <ber532k> note that package.sh just calls `dpkg-deb --build`
2927[22:19:17] <ber532k> of course you can rename simpleshutdown-de_all to anything you want
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2929[22:19:45] <ber532k> adjust simpleshutdown-de_all/DEBIAN/control to your needs (should be fairly obvious)
2930[22:19:58] <thiras> yeah just noticed that
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2934[22:21:11] <ber532k> everything else in simpleshutdown-de_all is an overlay for root, so just have your binary in usr/bin/ and delete usr/share if you don't have anything for it
2935[22:21:13] <brimonk> Are there any plans in the near-future to discontinue 32bit support?
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2938[22:21:35] <ber532k> and of course you might want to change "all" to something architecture-specific
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2940[22:22:05] <thiras> yes got the main idea
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2942[22:22:21] <ber532k> hope I could help
2943[22:22:41] <thiras> yes you defiantly did
2944[22:22:42] <thiras> thnaks
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2946[22:22:49] <dcaxq> hi. anyone know how to do alt code?
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2949[22:23:32] <zus> alguien
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2951[22:23:48] <dcaxq> what
2952[22:23:55] <zus> i speak spanish
2953[22:24:02] <annadane> !es
2954[22:24:03] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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2956[22:24:38] <dcaxq> ctrl+shifT+u not work, neither shift+u...
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2959[22:25:32] <dcaxq> this neither work replaced-url
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2980[22:35:45] <Guest52087> Hi, I'm reading the debian administrator´s handbook. I'm at "7.2.3. Asking for Help on a Mailing List" chapter. I´m not english mother tongue so please excuse me for my errors. Ok now the problem. There is a link to replaced-url
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2985[22:38:25] <frostschutz> Guest52087, try replaced-url
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3009[22:52:55] <Guest52087> frostschutz: thank you I´ll try :)
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3025[22:58:19] <HazWard> Is there a way to reset the root password on MariaDB?
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3048[23:16:17] <HazWard> Nevermind I found a way to do it
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