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2[00:01:23] <mundus2018> why would the command node not work
if I have nodejs installed
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7[00:02:40] <petn-randall> icarious: You could download the
debian-archive-keyring, but you don't have a way of verifying
that, either. Most installation image have signatures to verify if
you're part of the web of trust, though.
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17[00:06:13] <adalbertos> spatry
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21[00:06:38] <Wulf> adalbertos: err.. what?
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23[00:06:59] <adalbertos> hi there
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24[00:07:08] <adalbertos> lol
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25[00:07:26] <adalbertos> better not say the name spatry here
haha
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27[00:07:40] <Wulf>
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33[00:08:31] <adalbertos> is there an etra channel for antix?
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47[00:15:24] <unborn> :D
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48[00:15:56] <unborn> yeah i saw that guy on utube already..
funny he is isnt he?
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55[00:19:28] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
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59[00:23:06] <nsgn> Hello. I've got a folder I need a user
to access via ssh and put files into. This works fine except every
file has permission only for this one user to work with them.
Searching for a solution to this is fairly dizzying and turns up
libpam-umask, umask in the .profile file, acls, etc. Is there a
straight forward way to do this?
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60[00:23:26] <nsgn> I literally just want a folder several
users can put things in and not have issues with rw access to things
someone other than them put in there
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61[00:23:41] <Wulf> nsgn: what about a git repo?
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62[00:23:49] <nsgn> (again with the mode of access being ssh -
sftp via filezilla more specifically)
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63[00:24:01] <themill> sftp is an important detail
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65[00:24:56] <nsgn> Wulf, well it's a folder served by
apache. we need an outside firm to log in and place files into it
that users inside the org don't have to constantly chmod to
work with later but we don't want to give them sweeping privs
on the server obviously
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67[00:26:00] <nsgn> anytime we put something in that directory
they can't modify it. anything they put in we can't
modify. someone has to come along with higher privs and chmod the
files and it's getting old
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72[00:27:16] <nsgn> I don't mind if what gets changed
applies to everything the user does. The user accounts in question
only have access to this system for the sake of this web directory.
it's about all they have write permission to anyway.
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75[00:28:03] <nsgn> My research finds this isn't really
done on a per directory basis anyway. changing the umask in
~/.profile nearly seemed like the fix except there's a note
already in .profile from the debian team saying if you're here
to do this for ssh you should be using libpam-umask
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78[00:28:48] <themill> I'm surprised .profile is used for
sftp at all; sftp-server can be given a umask in sshd_config btw
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86[00:30:17] <nsgn> themill, but then it applies even to admins
you don't want running around writing stuff with broad
permissions
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87[00:30:27] <nsgn> themill, i want it to apply only to select
SSH users
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88[00:31:12] <Maws> Anyone know why MC have trouble copying
large files over SSH? (reporting "disk full" when
it's not)
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92[00:32:33] <themill> nsgn: you could do it through a
ForceCommand wrapper, but that's getting icky.
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93[00:32:59] <nsgn> yeah. i was hoping there was a not lame way
to allow a few users to work in this folder without fighting over
write permissions
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94[00:33:01] <themill> this is probably a case where ACLs is
easier
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95[00:33:06] <nsgn> everything they make right now is write for
them, read only for others
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103[00:41:19] <nsgn> exit
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104[00:41:23] <nsgn> smooth
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105[00:41:24] <sweettea> fail
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107[00:41:25] <sweettea> :)
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109[00:41:44] <sm00th> yes?
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133[00:51:11] <FuriousGeorge> is there any official crash
debugging documentation for debian, or some unofficial
documentation?
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134[00:51:24] <FuriousGeorge> im not finding much in the way of
either, and a lot of the stuff is dated
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137[00:52:51] <FuriousGeorge> im finding that if i enable iommu,
the system reboots within a minute. i don't see a crash dump on
the screen or any way to debug the issue
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151[01:00:16] <icarious> the /jessie-updates in a mirror is same
as the default
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159[01:06:32] <themill> icarious: no, jessie/updates ≠
jessie-updates
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163[01:07:23] <icarious> themill: found it. it seems not every
mirror syncs deb security. thanks though
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164[01:07:59] <themill> mirroring of the security archive is not
encouraged
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175[01:10:50] <icarious> themill: why?
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178[01:12:52] <themill> because mirrors get out of sync or
aren't updated properly and then you'd not see security
updates. I know of mirrors of the security archive that people are
still hosting but haven't updated them for years. It's not
like the bandwidth is large enough to make it necessary for Debian
(and Debian already has several mirrors that it controls for
security.d.o that are spread around the world)
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240[01:53:16] <otyugh> why jessie does not contain midori ?
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247[01:57:41] <FuriousGeorge> it seems it might not be caused by
enabling iommu, but doing so will reproduce it. using kernel >
4.4.6 seems to do it as well
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249[01:58:04] <FuriousGeorge> basically the system boots, and
within about a minute it locks for a few seconds, and then
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250[01:58:39] <sm00th> FuriousGeorge, does debian even use
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253[01:59:44] <Epakai> otyugh: because it wasn't in testing
when testing froze and it didn't get unblocked to migrate
during the release cycle
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256[02:00:36] <Epakai> otyugh:
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257[02:00:41] <otyugh> Epakai: ok
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268[02:05:30] <leba2> Hello. I've been told some linux
distros are aimed for normal desktop usage (ubuntu, fedora,
mint...), and others for server usage (centos, suse enterprise...).
What would be Debian's case? Is it better thought for desktop,
server, or just both?
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270[02:06:01] <Epakai> debian is the best at everything
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273[02:06:33] <sm00th> leba2, ya i'd say the all around
distro.
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275[02:06:44] <sm00th> good for both
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276[02:06:59] <Epakai> it doesn't have a particular aim
(aside from social contract), it excels in areas where contributors
contribute
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278[02:07:05] <sypher> leba2: It sounds hyperbolic, but I'm
in agreement. I prefer it for my desktops and servers, and my laptop
with a little work.
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285[02:08:52] <teraflops> otyugh: it depends on what youre
looking for. that said debian is good at desktop if youre not
obsessed with having latest versions of everything
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287[02:09:13] <leba2> Mmm.... so indeed there are centos, suse
enterprise definitely best used for servers; ubuntu, mint definitely
best used for desktops; but debian can just get perfectly along
being used as both?
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288[02:09:21] <leba2> (Not both at the same time, obviously)
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289[02:09:30] <otyugh> teraflops, I know :)
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290[02:09:32] <sm00th> leba2, ya
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291[02:09:57] <sm00th> FuriousGeorge, oh ya i guess it does
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292[02:10:20] <leba2> The other distros usually don't work
well indeed if using them for what they were not thought for, right?
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293[02:10:44] <leba2> Say, trying to use centos for desktop,
games, etc.
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294[02:10:49] <sm00th> ya
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295[02:11:00] <FuriousGeorge> sm00th: i don't believe that
is the problem though. it seems to be some other system stability
problem. e.g. if I don't start my KVM vms i don't get a
crash
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297[02:11:09] <oneSIXone> depends on your ability
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301[02:11:29] <oneSIXone> basically any distro can do anything
you want with enough wrench time
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302[02:11:53] <otyugh> Exact. What is not here you can compile
or package :3
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303[02:12:03] <FuriousGeorge> i can't seem to get crash
dumps enabled correctly. there seems to be no documentation for
debian. am i just unable to find it?
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304[02:12:56] <leba2> ^ If so, why is it *not* recommended
centos for games or mint/fedora for servers?
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305[02:12:57] <sm00th> leba2, basically distro lke centos
won't have the packages and compatibility out the box you would
want for desktop user. and mint and ubuntu wouldn't be as
lightweight stripped as you would want for server security.
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306[02:13:00] <leba2> ^ If so, why is it *not* recommended
centos for games or mint/fedora for servers?
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307[02:13:03] <leba2> (sorry)
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310[02:13:21] <leba2> sm00th: aaahhhh
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311[02:13:29] <oneSIXone> You're looking for a distro that
accomodates what you wanna do.
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312[02:13:38] <oneSIXone> rather than have to make it one
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313[02:13:59] <leba2> sm00th: then you'd say debian comes
like... "ready out of the box" for both possible usages?
I.e., desktop and server.
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315[02:14:16] <sm00th> leba2, I would say so.
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317[02:14:35] <sm00th> wouldn't take as much tinkering
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321[02:15:11] <leba2> Centos could be certainyl be used for
desktop and games, but just not out of the box (I'd need to do
quite additional work like looking for packages, compiling from
source, etc)
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322[02:15:35] <leba2> Same for mint, fedora with servers...
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324[02:16:07] <sm00th> i would definitely not consider fedora
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330[02:19:21] <leba2> sm00th: but debian would be just stable
and light enough for servers, and at the same time complete enough
for desktops, right?
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332[02:20:45] <sm00th> ya debian has lots of installation
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vim-runtime has a divert for /usr/lib/libGL.so which is causing me
troubles trying to install glx-diversions ?
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glx-diversions still can't install since "vim-runtime has
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/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/libGL.so" but there's no
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556[04:22:02] <sm00th> hbogo works for me, but it just looks
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558[04:23:21] <sm00th> aedinius: probalby my pc and flashplayer
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665[05:49:22] <sm00th> hello all, how can I install apparmor
version 2.9.2-1 noted in this bug reportreplaced-url
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666[05:49:23] <judd> Bug
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668[05:49:30] <sm00th> in debian jessie I only have 2.9.0
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673[05:53:41] <jackcom> where i can download debian iso file?
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674[05:53:54] <somiaj> sm00th: debian jessie is frozen, so newer
packages won't be provided. You could try to make your own
backport from testing if you like, but then you'll have ot
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675[05:54:03] <somiaj> jackcom: debian.org (there is a link in
the upperright corner of rhe main page
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676[05:54:13] <sm00th> somiaj, how do I do that?
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677[05:54:15] <jackcom> thanks somiaj
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678[05:54:23] <somiaj> !tell sm00th about ssb
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679[05:54:29] <somiaj> ,check-backport apparmor
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680[05:54:38] <judd> Backporting package apparmor in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, virtual.
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681[05:56:20] <sm00th> somiaj, so that means i can add an
apparmor backport deb-src line?
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684[05:57:25] <jackcom> what version must i install?
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688[05:58:24] <somiaj> sm00th: you will add a deb-src line for
stretch (Which is fine, it is only source)
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691[05:59:45] <sm00th> I have no idea how to do that. I'm
just gonna download from here.
replaced-url
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692[06:00:39] <jackcom> amd64, arm64, armel,
……… < what must i choose?
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694[06:00:59] <sm00th> well that didn't work
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695[06:00:59] <somiaj> sm00th: deb-src (then a standard source
line)
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699[06:02:57] <sm00th> I installed the file from that site but
it says Files /var/lib/dpkg/info/apparmor.md5sums and
/var/lib/apparmor/profiles/.apparmor.md5sums differ
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700[06:03:02] <sm00th> and looks like it installed anyways
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701[06:03:06] <sm00th> is that bad? lol
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702[06:04:18] <jackcom> amd64, arm64, armel,
……… < what must i choose? help me
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703[06:05:02] <sm00th> jackcom, w/e your computer is
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704[06:05:13] <jackcom> vmware fusion
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705[06:05:27] <sm00th> i don't know what that is, what are
the specs, what type of processor
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706[06:05:54] <markybob> amd64
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707[06:06:01] <jackcom> Small CDs or USB sticks
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708[06:06:02] <jackcom> The following are image files which are
up to 280 MB in size. Choose your processor architecture below.
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709[06:06:12] <jackcom> i download it?
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711[06:06:19] <jackcom> marko___:
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712[06:06:23] <jackcom> markybob:
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714[06:06:25] <markybob> download amd64 netinst
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716[06:06:43] <jackcom> amd64 netinst
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717[06:06:44] <jackcom> thanks
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718[06:07:04] <jackcom> markybob: i can’t find netinst
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720[06:07:49] <markybob> jackcom:
replaced-url
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723[06:08:04] <jackcom> thanks markybob :)
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754[06:24:14] <jackcom> what debian desktop environment must i
choose?
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756[06:24:29] <markybob> whatever your heart desires
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757[06:24:37] <shadows> default is gnome3
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758[06:24:54] <shadows> with a couple of tweaks, I use gnome3
and it is acceptable
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759[06:25:04] <jackcom> i didn’t select anything, when i
click enter, it is skipped.
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760[06:25:04] <polyzen> no DE
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761[06:25:15] <shadows> jackcom: still gnome3, I think
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762[06:25:40] <shadows> jackcom: I mean, if you select
task-desktop
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763[06:26:01] <jackcom> i didn’t select anything :(
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764[06:26:05] <shadows> else if you did not install any desktop
then yes none will be installed
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765[06:26:06] <jackcom> it is skipped
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766[06:26:14] <shadows> okay is that what you wanted?
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769[06:28:29] <markybob> you can sudo tasksel. or sudo apt
install whatever you want. like xfce4
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771[06:28:47] <namra> how can i "truly" remove a
package completly?
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772[06:28:55] <namra> apt-get purge and apt-get remove
don't really do that
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773[06:29:29] <namra> or how to get around an error message
like: trying to overwrite
'/usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy.so', which is also in
package apache2-bin 2.4.20-2
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775[06:30:02] <namra> want to install apache2 version
2.2.22-13+deb7u6
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777[06:30:34] <markybob> namra: you want to install 2.2.22,
wheezy, on stretch?
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779[06:31:32] <markybob> namra: that's ridiculous in more
ways than i can mention. but for stretch support look at the /topic
and go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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783[06:32:34] <namra> wheezy
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784[06:32:55] <namra> passed along --force-overwrite during the
installation
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787[06:33:24] <markybob> namra: so why mention 2.4.20?
that's stretch
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788[06:33:49] <namra> because i have the testing repos listed in
apt sources
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789[06:33:59] <markybob> so you fucked everything up
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790[06:34:07] <markybob> !dontbreakdebian
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791[06:34:07] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is
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794[06:34:33] <markybob> you can't mix wheezy and testing.
that's insane
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797[06:35:14] <markybob> stable and testing is bad enough. old
stable. fuck.
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798[06:35:29] <eliotime> You can migrate from Wheezy (archive)
to Jessie (stable).
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799[06:35:43] <markybob> and he'll still be fucked with
testing packages
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801[06:35:47] <markybob> reinstall
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802[06:35:57] <namra> markybob: no need to go crazy all over it
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803[06:36:04] <namra> it's just a throw away vm
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804[06:36:20] <markybob> great. throw it away. that's what
i'm saying.
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810[06:37:47] <eliotime> apt-get update && apt-get
dist-upgrade (with previous renaming of the APT sources, of course).
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811[06:38:43] <markybob> yeah. that's exactly what the docs
say to go from wheezy (old stable) to stretch (current testing)
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812[06:38:55] <markybob> no
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813[06:39:56] <eliotime> He should migrate first from Wheezy to
Jessie to avoid issues with the migration to testing branch.
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815[06:40:31] <markybob> eliotime: it's what he
should've done. already fucked that up
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817[06:40:55] <eliotime> Hahahaha. Shit happens.
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859[07:04:35] <jackcom> vim: command not found 101
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890[07:30:41] <somiaj> jackcom: vim isn't installed as
default, use vi
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891[07:31:12] <jackcom> oh but i want to use vim
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896[07:32:01] <somiaj> jackcom: apt-get install vim
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897[07:32:09] <jackcom> oh good thanks
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899[07:32:42] <somiaj> jackcom: it just insn't installed by
default, but vi is
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901[07:33:00] <jackcom> i think that vim
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917[07:40:23] <xormor> I use gedit currently. Sometimes I use
nano. I try avoid vi, vim and emacs.
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918[07:40:28] <xormor> *I try to avoid
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975[08:13:24] <jackcom> gdm3 vs kdm vs light dm, what is best?
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1070[08:48:07] <jackcom> gdm3 xwindows is very good
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1265[09:11:31] <jackcom> Debian is not bad
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1267[09:12:20] <bibble> Glad to get in this channel. Tried a few
minutes ago, and get a message saying it was full ! :D
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1285[09:17:34] <bibble> mkdir shared/; chown user:shared shared/;
chmod 770 shared/; chmod g+s shared/; echo 'umask 002'
>> .profile -- Working great. But when I scp a file to any
other dir, permission is 640, so nginx can't access it ;_; How
to have a shared dir, but not mess with normal default perms on rest
of system through sftp ?
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1292[09:19:59] <jackcom> how can i change host name?
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1293[09:20:30] <bibble> jackcom, /etc/hostname might be all you
need ?
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1300[09:22:53] <jackcom> bibble: anyway i must edit
‘hosts’ too?
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1301[09:23:19] <bibble> Ah, possibly, yeah... And maybe log out
and in again.
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1302[09:23:33] <jackcom> thanks :)
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1307[09:26:42] <jackcom> bibble: i must restart instead of log
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1309[09:27:28] <bibble> Oh, maybe. Is it a server?
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1314[09:29:18] <k_sze[work]> Is it correct to say that systemd
will scaffold a unit for old-school init scripts?
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1316[09:29:52] <jackcom> bibble: i don’t know what to do?
but i use server as ubuntu now
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1318[09:29:59] <dirkk> hi, I use debian OS on my beaglebone black
(RPi alternative). When I launch qt app there is conflict between
framebuffer... anyway I found a solution by /etc/init.d/lightdm
stop. It's working by launching qtapp from pc host, but when I
run a script on target (stop lightdm then ./qtapp) it does not work.
Is lightdm blocked the launch of application ?
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1325[09:31:21] <bibble> jackcom, just looked at this and Seems
fine,.
replaced-url
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1329[09:31:52] <Gaiseric> otyugh: Perhaps too late, and not
exactly what you asked about, but if you want to install Midori on
Jessie you can easily do it from the backports.
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1330[09:32:21] <Gaiseric> otyugh: Seems it's available
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1333[09:33:23] <jackcom> but i changed it in the hostname and
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1334[09:33:26] <jackcom> bibble:
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1338[09:34:20] <bibble> ...at the end it says to either restart
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1340[09:35:51] <jackcom> anyway i reboot it
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1368[09:49:40] <suexec> Hey. apt-get upgrade lists a LOT of so
called "no longer required" packages. How safe is
autoremove?
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1369[09:52:07] <bibble> ..not sure but I always use after
uninstalling anything, and try to insure purge of files. apt-get
autoremove --purge --force-yes
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1387[09:59:46] <suexec> bibble, I just find it strange that it
has listed apache-2.2 bin etc ...
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1388[09:59:51] <babilen> suexec: Those are packages that have
been installed as dependencies and nothing depends on them anymore.
All package removals are safe (unless you start removing essential
ones), but you might not *want* to remove them all.
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1389[10:00:12] <babilen> Would you consider removal of, say, Xorg
safe?
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are a lot of lib* being suggested removed. I am just worried
I'm going to render my system useless :)
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1394[10:02:45] <babilen> If a program needs a library it would
depend on it. So, unless you remove programs you don't want to
remove you are fine.
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1395[10:03:04] <babilen> And, in the end, you can always install
what is missing again.
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1398[10:03:53] <suexec> OK. I'll just try it I guess.
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1399[10:03:56] <bibble> Like babilen says, they have no links.
Only if e.g, you've created your own app that's using a
lib the package manager is unaware of etc.
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1400[10:04:40] <suexec> I'm struggling with chrome falling
into "Aw, Snap" all the time. Netbeans (java based) keeps
crashing .. system is so unstable.
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1401[10:05:12] <babilen> Which Debian release are you tracking?
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1404[10:06:07] <suexec> Just dist upgraded to wheezy
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1405[10:06:17] * babilen hasn't seen an "Aw, Snap" in
quite a while.
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1410[10:07:24] <babilen> suexec: To wheezy? You are behind the
times!
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1412[10:07:54] <suexec> Sorry, jessie
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1413[10:08:04] <suexec> from wheezy to jessie
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1414[10:08:04] <bibble> Cool :)
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1415[10:08:18] <babilen> Just remove the old cruft, check output
of "aptitude search ~o" and make sure that everything has
been upgraded.
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1416[10:08:54] <babilen> Did you follow
replaced-url
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1418[10:09:26] <suexec> Well, I have been on jessie for a few
weeks. System was unstable under wheezy which triggered my dist
upgrade.
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1419[10:09:34] <bibble> ...is it worth doing a clean reinstall ?
, depending on all the apps to re-setup etc..
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1420[10:09:39] <suexec> But I am worried it might be failing
hardware giving me the issues.
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1423[10:09:50] <suexec> Yeah, quite possibly.
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1426[10:10:59] <bibble> Guess mainly, backup hdd, reinstall
latest os, browser, netbeans
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1429[10:11:42] <suexec> Yeah. Given a reinstall is probably best
option, I'm just going to see if I can get a brand new computer
:)
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1430[10:11:56] <bibble> Ha, even nicer!!
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1433[10:12:27] <suexec> Including words like "segmentation
fault" and "kernel panic" in my "error report /
new computer application" should work wonders.
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1436[10:13:17] <masuberu> Hi
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1438[10:13:30] <bibble> ...hmm, I'm not great with apt-get
dist upgrade; does that include the kernel ?
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1439[10:13:38] <babilen> It does
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1440[10:13:42] <masuberu> I need advise on why my debian machine
is not using all the memory available on my system
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1441[10:13:43] <bibble> Kewl.
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1442[10:13:47] <masuberu>
replaced-url
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1444[10:14:07] <masuberu> I thought that linux uses the whole
memory available?
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1445[10:14:12] <babilen> bibble: "dist-upgrade" updates
all packages even if that requires the installation of new ones or
the removal of others
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1446[10:14:18] <jackcom> Ubuntu vs Debian, which is mor powerful?
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1447[10:14:40] <bibble> babilen, see see :)
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1449[10:14:46] <babilen> jackcom: How do you measure
"powerful" ?
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1451[10:15:22] <jackcom> more penetration and logical
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1452[10:15:33] <bibble> Hawt.
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1454[10:15:54] <babilen> jackcom: "penetration" ? And
what makes a distribution more "logical" than another?
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1458[10:16:37] <babilen> masuberu: That looks perfectly normal,
what is your issue with it?
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1459[10:16:38] <jackcom> ok then more having program and there is
no error when i install program.
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1462[10:17:02] <bibble> ...Debian, I would say.
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1463[10:17:11] <bibble> More tested.
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1464[10:17:19] <bibble> Stability.
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1465[10:17:34] <jackcom> then why Ubuntu apperance is nice than
Debian?
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1466[10:17:39] <jackcom> i don’t know this
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1471[10:18:18] <masuberu> I thought that linux uses all memory
available by default
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1472[10:18:20] <masuberu> ?
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1475[10:19:07] <siggex> Tried Ubuntu on my new Lenovo.
Reinstalled 3 times because of problems with multiple monitors. Now
using Debian and will never use ubuntu again :). Works perfectly.
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1476[10:19:38] <bibble> jackcom, it's got more of the
latest/more features, slicker GUI etc, but at the price of being
bloated, slower, less stable.
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1477[10:19:56] <bibble> siggex <3
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1478[10:20:03] <masuberu> ok I am reading now about the disk
cache, I understand now
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1479[10:20:06] <masuberu> thanks guys!
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1480[10:20:30] <jackcom> apperance : ubuntu > debian, function
: ubuntu < debian? bibble
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1482[10:21:25] <bibble> ...yeah, I would say. though really you
could mould Debian into having as good an appearance etc.
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1486[10:22:28] <jackcom> but ubuntu make phone, Debian
don’t make phone?
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1487[10:22:30] <jackcom> bibble:
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1488[10:23:12] <bibble> True. not sure how well it's doing
though.
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1490[10:23:25] <jackcom> oh
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1495[10:27:09] <bolt> is there a package or some easy method to
allow my system to trust sites like
replaced-url
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1498[10:29:20] <jackcom> what is daemon?
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1500[10:29:37] <jackcom> angel <—> daemon?
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1501[10:30:28] <TomTomTosch> jackcom: google is your friend.
replaced-url
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1502[10:30:42] <jackcom> ok thanks TomTomTosch
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1524[10:40:30] <otyugh> Gaiseric, yeah I just saw that, thanks :)
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1525[10:41:04] <otyugh> Thought I'll try xombreror, seem
really close to jumanji, browser I liked too but lacked of time to
master
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1598[11:20:39] <jjulian> if an interface is set to static ip and
i plug and unplug the cable are the "post-up" scripts
executed? or is this for static interfaces done only once on boot
time?
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1602[11:24:12] <pragomer_1> pls help with smb share:
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1604[11:24:32] <pragomer_1> /192.168.2.101/winshare_i
/media/winshare_i cifs uid=myuser,gid=myuser,username=guest 0 0
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1606[11:25:02] <pragomer_1> when I share a folder in win7 this
works.. but not when I share a complete drive e.g. "i"
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1607[11:25:10] <pragomer_1> whats the difference and what can I
do?
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1608[11:25:45] <pragomer_1> when i do "mount -a" I get
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1609[11:25:47] <pragomer_1> mount error(13): Permission denied
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1721[12:27:04] <colo-work> linux-image-amd64 from backports
refuses to dist-upgrade here; apt-get tells me the reason are
"held broken packages". I don't have any pkgs on hold
at all on this system. problem is that a new dependency (from bpo)
is required to satisfy that package's min-version reqs for
linux-base
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1722[12:27:06] <colo-work> why does apt-get come up with the
"held packages" reason? is that a bug?
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1723[12:27:43] <g00se> Is there a way to determine 'outbound
current' e.g. the charging state of a usb device?
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1726[12:28:17] <themill> colo-work: can you pastebin that?
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1727[12:28:35] <colo-work> themill, what specifically?
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1728[12:28:51] <themill> the out
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1729[12:28:52] <themill> put
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1732[12:29:58] <themill> (also, try aptitude for better error
messages as it often does better at working out specifically why)
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1733[12:30:18] <colo-work> themill,
replaced-url
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1734[12:31:17] <themill> also, you need -t jessie-backports
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1741[12:38:08] <colo-work> themill, I'm aware that I need
linux-base from backports, but why does apt-get come up with that
error message? it's not correct; is it?
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1748[12:41:21] <themill> colo-work: it's a bit of a default
error message when other more specific things have failed and it is
true in the sense of your pinning is what is preventing the
installation
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1767[12:53:12] <g00se> Is there a way to determine 'outbound
current' e.g. the charging state of a usb device?
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1782[13:01:07] <SirLagz> g00se: not without some external device,
or a special motherboard
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1787[13:03:30] <tdn> I just added a new disk to my server
(/dev/sda). Then added this new disk to my volume group. Then
created a new volume on it and put it in fstab. I checked that I
could mount the volume on the path specified in fstab and everything
worked. Then I rebooted to verify that it worked after reboot, but
now it does not boot. I am in busybox and it says: Gave up waiting
for root device.
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1788[13:03:48] <tdn> It complains aboit a disk identified by uuid
that is not present. Then drops to a shell.
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1793[13:05:23] <tdn> The shell I have is very limited. I cannot
seem to mount my disks. Although they are present in /dev. How can I
somehow get into my /etc/fstab and fix this? (assuming this is where
this is to be fixed)
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1795[13:05:58] <SirLagz> tdn: unplug that new hdd and reboot and
see what happens?
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1800[13:07:02] <tdn> SirLagz, then I need to poweroff the
machine, but "poweroff" does notthing. "exit"
just respawns busybox shell
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1801[13:07:20] <SirLagz> tdn: just pull the plug?
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1802[13:07:33] <tdn> SirLagz, it is a remote virtual machine.
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1804[13:07:59] <SirLagz> tdn: well then just remove/disconnect
the hdd from the vm and force reboot it
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1806[13:10:19] <tdn> SirLagz, it seems I do not have permission
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1807[13:10:34] <tdn> Isnt there any way to mount the disks from
busybox?
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1808[13:10:59] <SirLagz> tdn: I was assuming you'd already
tried to mount them...have you tried to mount them?
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1812[13:12:09] <SirLagz> tdn: sorry, just re-read what you wrote
just then. What do you mean by 'cannot seem to mount my
disks' ?
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1816[13:12:37] <tdn> SirLagz, when I run "mount /dev/sda1
/mnt" it says: mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt failed: no such file
or directory
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1819[13:13:02] <SirLagz> tdn: and /dev/sda1 exists? and /mnt
exists?
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1822[13:13:05] <tdn> yes
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1825[13:13:53] <tdn> But I guess I really need lvm to work
first... But things like vgscan does not seem to be present.
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1827[13:14:03] <tdn> Only vgchange seems to be there
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1828[13:14:14] <tdn> There is also an "lvm" command
that gives me an lvm prompt
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1829[13:14:46] <SirLagz> tdn: at that point then, I'd just
remove the offending disk...how did you add the disk in the first
place?
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1830[13:15:29] <tdn> SirLagz, just asked the VM admin to add a
new disk. And power on the machine. That worked: the new disk
appeared as /dev/sdb
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1831[13:15:47] <tdn> I then added /dev/sdb to my vg.
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1837[13:17:21] <tdn> lvscan finds my lvs. However, it says
inactive on root lv and data lv. Only swap lv is ACTIVE
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1839[13:19:17] <Ticho> tdn: all lvm commands are usually just
symlinks to the "lvm" program
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1840[13:19:31] <Ticho> tdn: you should be able to use "lvm
vgscan" instead of calling "vgscan"
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1841[13:19:32] <tdn> So using the "lvm" prompt, I
activated the root and data lvs. Now they are present under
/dev/sdksvn/data and /dev/sdksvn/root, however, I cannot mount them.
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1843[13:19:41] <tdn> Get the same no such file error when mouting
them.
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1845[13:19:54] <tdn> Ticho, ok, I was not aware of that. Thanks.
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1846[13:20:09] <Ticho> is the volume group active? you can see
the lvols even if it's not
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1847[13:20:16] <Ticho> so, vgchange -a y sdksvn
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1848[13:20:20] <Ticho> (or lvm vgchange ...)
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1850[13:21:22] <tdn> Ticho, I did the vgchange to activate it.
Mount still gives no such file.
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1852[13:22:14] <Ticho> hm, that's odd
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1853[13:22:29] <Ticho> how do their attributes show up in
"lvs" output?
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1854[13:22:46] <Ticho> it should be something like -wi-ao----
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1855[13:22:57] <Ticho> the 'a' stands for active, if I
remember correctly
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1856[13:23:12] <tdn> Ticho, it says the lv and vg names.
ATTR=-wi-a--- for all lvs. And their sizes are correctly reported
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1857[13:23:24] <tdn> What is the o?
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1858[13:23:54] <Ticho> hm... try mounting them via
/dev/mapper/sdksvn-data device files
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1860[13:24:07] <tdn> Yeah, tried that. Same error.
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1861[13:24:14] <Ticho> anything in dmesg?
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1863[13:24:24] <tdn> I also tried mounting the cdrom /dev/cdrom
just to see if that works. Same error.
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1865[13:24:33] <tdn> Although I have connected an .iso to the VM.
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1868[13:26:17] <tdn> OK. As a mistake I hit Ctrl+D (wrong
terminal), this exits the busybox shell and resumes boot of the
machine. Now it comes up appearently. I guess this is due to the
fact that now lvs are present and can be mounted....
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1870[13:26:50] <tdn> So what did I just do to fix this? I mean I
activated some stuff in lvm, but how do I make this change permanent
so that it works on next reboot?
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1880[13:29:16] <Ticho> tdn: I'm not sure, but I think your
initrd image needs to do the lvm activation
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1881[13:29:17] <tdn> This is the content of /etc/fstab:
replaced-url
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1882[13:29:30] <tdn> Ticho, yeah. Any idea why it does not do
that?
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1883[13:29:54] <Ticho> not really, sorry :)
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1884[13:30:01] <tdn> Should I regenerate initramfs after adding
lvs?
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1885[13:30:19] <afernandez_> is youtube working for you guys?
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1886[13:30:27] <tdn> afernandez_, yes
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1887[13:30:35] <afernandez_> Thanks
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1888[13:30:41] <afernandez_> im getting 500 error
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1891[13:32:40] <tdn> Ticho, update-grub will regenerate initrd,
right?
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1892[13:33:31] <afernandez_> tdn: where are you?
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1893[13:33:33] <Ticho> no, update-initramfs should
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1896[13:34:34] <tdn> Ticho, ok, I will try and run this.
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1897[13:34:50] <tdn> Ticho, is it normal that you have to run
update-initramfs after adding new pvs, lvs, vgs?
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1898[13:35:01] <Ticho> I'd run update-grub (or update-grub2)
after that as well
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1899[13:35:29] <tdn> Ticho update-initramfs -u, right?
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1900[13:35:30] <Ticho> only if you change the lvols or vgs which
are needed for boot
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1901[13:35:33] <tdn> To update the existing
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1902[13:35:50] <Ticho> no idea, I always consult --help :)
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1903[13:36:02] <tdn> I see that I have both update-grub and
update-grub2 on this system. Which one do I use?
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1904[13:36:42] <tdn> Ticho, update-grub says:
/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: Couldn't find PV pv1. Check your
device.map.
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1909[13:38:54] <tdn> Ticho, output from pvs is here:
replaced-url
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1911[13:39:09] <tdn> afernandez_, denmark
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1912[13:39:20] <Ticho> no idea, sorry
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1914[13:39:49] <tdn> It says check your device.map. When I open
/boot/grub/device.map, it contains one line: (hd0) /dev/sda
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1917[13:40:03] <tdn> So I am guessing here: I should add the
line: (hd1) /dev/sdb ?
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1919[13:40:11] <tdn> But I have really no idea.
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1922[13:42:10] <s4ndm4n> tdn: Can you tl;dr what you are trying
to do?
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1923[13:43:35] <tdn> s4ndm4n, added a new disk to a VM. After
this, it does not boot (waiting for root fs timed out). Stops in
busybox. Start lvm from busybox and activate vg and lvs, then exit
busybox to resume boot and it works. However, on reboot it still
does not work.
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1924[13:43:48] <tdn> s4ndm4n, update-grub then gives the error:
/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: Couldn't find PV pv1. Check your
device.map.
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1926[13:44:23] <s4ndm4n> tdn: Are you using grub?
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1927[13:44:30] <tdn> s4ndm4n, yes
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1928[13:44:41] <tdn> s4ndm4n, or grub2. I dunno
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1930[13:44:53] <tdn> It appears that I have both grub-update and
grub-update2 on my system.
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1931[13:44:59] <tdn> I have no idea what the difference is
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1933[13:45:48] <s4ndm4n> tdn: Did you tell grub to use that disk
on /etc/default/grub?
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1934[13:46:04] <tdn> s4ndm4n, I did not change /etc/default/grub
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1935[13:46:34] <tdn> s4ndm4n, /etc/default/grub has not been
changed since install.
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1936[13:46:46] <s4ndm4n> tdn: You partitioned the disk manually?
Or let the installer decide?
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1937[13:46:46] <tdn> And it contains no info about disks or
devices.
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1938[13:46:58] <tdn> s4ndm4n, let the installer do it.
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1939[13:47:07] <tdn> s4ndm4n, "set up lvm and use entire
disk"
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1940[13:47:13] <s4ndm4n> Weird
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1941[13:47:40] <tdn> But /boot/grub/device.map contains: (hd0)
/dev/sda
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1942[13:47:56] <tdn> And the pv consists of two disks now as
/dev/sdb has been added as well.
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1943[13:48:03] <tdn> So maybe I need to add it to device.map?
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1945[13:48:45] <Ticho> you shouldn't need to add it there,
it's not needed at all during boot
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1946[13:49:07] <Ticho> perhaps what happens is that in the initrd
environment, the disk enumeration is reversed, and sdb appears as
sda?
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1947[13:49:11] <Ticho> I'm just guessing here
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1949[13:50:07] <tdn> Ticho, any way to test that idea?
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1951[13:50:22] <tdn> Ticho, when it is stuck in busybox, sda
appears as sda and sdb as sdb.
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1952[13:50:28] <tdn> Ticho, so they are not reversed there.
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1953[13:50:31] <Ticho> then it's probably not the case
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1954[13:50:49] <Ticho> anyway, adding a new disk should not
affect boot process at all, I add new disks to virtual machines
often
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1955[13:50:51] <s4ndm4n> Which grub did you install? grub legacy
or grub2?
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1957[13:51:12] <tdn> s4ndm4n, I do not remember. But I see that
update-grub is just a symlink to update-grub2.
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1958[13:51:17] <g00se> SirLagz: Thanks
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1959[13:51:20] <tdn> Sorry, the reverse:
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1960[13:51:24] <SirLagz> g00se: no problems
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1961[13:51:27] <tdn> update-grub2 is a symlink to update-grub
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1964[13:51:52] <tdn> dpkg -l |grep grub says grub-common is
version: 1.99-27+deb7u3
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1965[13:51:52] <dpkg> ii |grep grub says grub-common is version:
1.99-27+deb7u3 3.1-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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1973[13:54:19] <s4ndm4n> tdn: Here's what you can try:
update initramfs and update-grub
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1977[13:58:10] <tdn> s4ndm4n, I did just that.
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1979[13:58:28] <tdn> s4ndm4n, update-initramfs -u went fine.
update-grub gave the above error.
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1983[13:59:33] <tdn> s4ndm4n,
replaced-url
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1989[14:00:56] <lionrouge> hi !
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1990[14:01:00] <lionrouge> i need help
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1994[14:02:16] <bolt> !tell lionrouge +about ask
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1995[14:02:18] <lionrouge> i use Debian 8 with awesome wm (though
i have XFCE4 installed). I want to change my screen resolution
permanently. How to do it? The most part of information in Internet
is wrong or outdated (from the blessed times of xorg.conf). I have
no idea how to do it now. Maybe some systemd command?
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1996[14:02:55] <s4ndm4n> tdn: Try this: rename the
/boot/grub/device.map to something else, run grub-mkdevicemap and
then update-grub
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2000[14:05:18] <Brigo> lionrouge, maybe the display manager can
handle it, what are you using?
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2002[14:06:01] <unborn> guys does anyone know how to make vlc
video to play smooth? I have horizontal lines on fast scenes..
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2005[14:07:04] <abrotman> Remember when interlacing was a monitor
mode?
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2006[14:07:20] <Brigo> i remember it :)
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2008[14:08:36] <qqz> help; I can not boot Debian-8.5-amd64;
Debian-8.4-i386 works
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2009[14:08:48] <qqz> grub always spies out: "invalid magic
number"
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2010[14:09:13] <qqz> I have tried it on another computer with the
same medium and uprageously it works there without a problem
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2012[14:09:22] <Brigo> qqz, does your cpu supports amd64?
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2014[14:09:35] <qqz> yes; it is a Core 2 Quad
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2015[14:09:38] <tdn> s4ndm4n, now update-grub does not give the
error. Now reboot?
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2017[14:09:46] <s4ndm4n> Yes
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2018[14:09:50] <lionrouge> Brigo: looks like i use xdm
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2021[14:10:06] <lionrouge> actually i run X with startx after
logging in in framebuffer mode
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2022[14:10:27] <tdn> s4ndm4n, it works! Thanks a lot!
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2025[14:10:30] <qqz> it boots an already existant amd64
installation well
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2027[14:11:25] <s4ndm4n> tdn: Don't thank me though. Googled
your problem and solution was right there xD
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2028[14:11:51] <s4ndm4n> Learned a little bit more about
grub-mkdevicemap though
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2029[14:12:17] <Brigo> lionrouge, then try xrandr, the man page
has some examples at the end.
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2031[14:12:38] <Brigo> qqz, then check the disk or the udma mode
or something like it.
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2033[14:13:22] <qqz> ok; there is some bios setting for sata/pata
compatibility/enhances mode
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2035[14:14:08] <Brigo> qqz, or reinstall. It could be a damage
kernle file, a faulty disk, a faulty controler, a corrupted file
system ....
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2040[14:16:10] <qqz> no the same usb3hdd boots well on another
computer so I would guess it to be the controller
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2041[14:16:51] <Brigo> qqz, i mean the file in the computer disk,
no the usb image.
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2045[14:18:19] <qqz> Brigo: how can you explain that the same hdd
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2046[14:18:49] <qqz> it is not an usb image it is a partition of
my usb3 hdd where the iso has been streamed into
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2056[14:22:51] <mirazi_heket> hello, if you set up encrypted
partition on debian + lvm (from debian installer creator) - where
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2057[14:22:53] <lionrouge> Brigo: i have a working set of xrandr
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2058[14:23:10] <qqz> put all of it into your xorg.conf
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2062[14:23:27] <unborn> oh my vlc is solved :)
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2063[14:23:46] <qqz>
replaced-url
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2065[14:24:59] <lionrouge> qqz: as i know xorg.conf is not used
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2067[14:25:21] <babilen> mirazi_heket: Are you looking for
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2071[14:26:04] <qqz> not true; I still heavily use xorg.confs
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2077[14:26:34] <babilen> qqz: It would still be considered
deprecated
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2078[14:26:38] <qqz> you can use them but you do not need to do
so
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2079[14:26:44] <babilen> dpkg: xorg.conf.d
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2080[14:26:45] <dpkg> xorg can use files ending in the suffix
.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is
preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g.
20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to
configure a single device. You might have to create the directory
yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5
xorg.conf".
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2082[14:27:05] <qqz> no it isn`t;
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2083[14:27:10] <qqz> you need an xorg.conf whenever there is no
other way than to assemble your modelines manually
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2084[14:27:26] <qqz> yes; but that is an "xorg.conf"
too
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2085[14:27:29] <lionrouge> qqz: ok, thanks
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2086[14:27:30] <qqz> a split one though
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2087[14:27:36] <mirazi_heket> babilen: thats it, thanks a lot!
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2088[14:27:53] <qqz> of course "splitted xorg.confs"
are preferred these days
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2091[14:28:07] <babilen> qqz: I was specifically referring to a
monolithic /etc/X11/xorg.conf rather than "Xorg
configuration" in general
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2092[14:28:24] <babilen> (and one that configures everything even
all the things Xorg autodetects correctly)
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2096[14:29:57] <lionrouge> qqz: grub uses the same way of
managing config
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2097[14:30:11] <babilen> It is a common scheme on Debian
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2111[14:35:52] <qqz> is there really no way to disable this damn
magic check? I have already tried all BIOS settings
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2121[14:38:20] <jelly> qqz: did you try setting up an usb disk in
a supported way instead (that is, overwriting a whole usb stick and
booting off that)?
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2130[14:41:52] <qqz> jelly: that is not an option; I would rather
avoid using the computer where it does not work
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2131[14:42:03] <qqz> one thing I have just discovered
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2132[14:42:13] <qqz> grub does not recognize all partitions on
that disk
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2133[14:42:24] <qqz> maximum partition is hd0,msdos
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2134[14:42:33] <qqz> 7 that one I wanna boot from
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2135[14:42:44] <qqz> perhpas there is a size restriction on the
HDD
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2136[14:42:49] <qqz> by the bios
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2137[14:43:17] <qqz> I have already tried to use nativedisk but
that did not seem to work either
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2140[14:43:40] <qqz> perhaps I would just allocate a partition
which is more at the beginning
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2179[14:55:12] <eSa|> the is a nic feaature in mousa handling
wihin the X which allows me to middleclick a side scrolll bar to
have the window scrolled. Do you know how to avtivate it (or why I
have it off)?
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2207[15:07:52] <Brigo> qqz, it is weird anyway, all kernels
should fail in that case, not only that.
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2213[15:09:51] <lionrouge> qqz: i made it ! thank you and Brigo
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2214[15:10:01] <phatomx> what does happen if I install kernel 4.6
in debian wheezy(7.x)? does it works?
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2215[15:10:12] <Brigo> lionrouge, yw :)
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2217[15:10:32] <towo^work> phatomx, from where you will get this
kernel?
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2218[15:10:52] <lionrouge> i created a file my.conf in
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d with Monitor section where i put my custom mode
into ModeLine parameter and with a screen section which chooses that
mode
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2219[15:11:21] <phatomx> towo^work: I'm planning to install
jessie backport (dpkg force install) or compile kernel manually
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2221[15:11:35] <towo^work> from jessie backports i will never
work
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2224[15:11:49] <towo^work> if you compile it yoursels, why should
it not work
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2226[15:12:35] <phatomx> towo^work: did you try it? how do you
know jessie backport not working?
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2227[15:13:10] <towo^work> phatomx, wheezy doe not have the
depends available for installing things from jessie backports
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2228[15:13:16] <towo^work> that should be clear at all
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2229[15:13:29] <towo^work> and btw, it would not be supported at
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2231[15:14:17] <phatomx> towo^work: thx for your answering, then
I should have to go manually compile..
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2262[15:30:29] <change> Hello
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2265[15:31:41] <change> Test
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2308[15:47:05] <nils_> I'm using unattended-upgrades and
needrestart to keep systems up to date. However it's currently
being scheduled via /etc/cron.daily
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2309[15:47:34] <nils_> I'd prefer to specify exactly when
this job is run so it doesn't run at the same time on all
servers
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2315[15:48:08] <markybob> so move it to crontab
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2316[15:48:26] <nils_> assuming I upgrade something won't
the file just re-appear?
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2318[15:48:49] <markybob> no
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2323[15:50:18] <nils_> hm I'm thinking I might just edit
/etc/crontab
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2394[16:18:01] <jtdowney> jackcom:
replaced-url
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2404[16:23:34] <ar> hi. I have /boot and /boot/EFI on removable
media. how can i force apt to explicitly ask for the /boot if there
are packages to install/remove that touch files on /boot
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2412[16:25:39] <MaBunny> guys where are documentation files
saved????
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2413[16:26:13] <qqz> xx /usr/share/doc/packages
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2414[16:26:19] <MaBunny> ok
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2416[16:27:49] <napnap> Hi all...I made a script called by cron
that launch a python script with the ouput redirected to a file. Pb
: The file remain empty....if I launch the command directly from my
command line , the file is populated....why ? :(
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2417[16:27:50] <napnap>
replaced-url
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2421[16:29:40] <napnap> (read 2>&1 instead of 2&1 on
my pastebin)
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2426[16:30:12] <Linnak> hexchat
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2434[16:32:17] <jelly> napnap: enable cron.log in
/etc/rsyslog.conf, restart rsyslog, see if the script gets run.
Which debian release is this?
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2439[16:33:19] <themill> is cron even running?
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2440[16:33:44] <themill> the process grep guard will also bail
out on the file being open in an editor
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2441[16:34:11] <napnap> jelly Jessie
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2443[16:34:48] <napnap> themill, the program is launched. it is
just the output file which remain empty
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2446[16:36:25] <jelly> napnap: if the service is running, verify
whether it has the output file open or not. "fuser
/home/pi/playAndLearn.out", as root maybe
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2447[16:36:27] <jhutchins> napnap: Most common problems are
permissions on the file, failure to declare an interpreter, failure
to use full path names, assuming environment variables.
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2456[16:41:48] <rlange> using standard jessie gnome and after
disabling gnome-keyring and rebooting, does anyone else see a
problem with using ssh-agent with keys added using `ssh-add -c`?
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2458[16:42:05] <simonlnu> !keychain
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2459[16:42:06] <dpkg> Keychain is an application to have SSH
and/or GPG agents be run for you at a login shell. apt-cache show
keychain
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2460[16:42:24] <rlange> b/c right now I am not able to use those
keys unless I first manually kill and restart ssh-agent
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2461[16:42:41] <napnap> jelly, "fuser
/home/pi/playAndLearn.out" return me nothing, After enable
cron.log, I've just "Jun 22 14:42:01 raspberrypi
CRON[3415]: (pi) CMD (~/cronPlayAndLearn.sh)" inside.
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2462[16:42:44] <greycat> There can be any arbitrary number of
agents running.
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2463[16:43:03] <greycat> Killing old unreferenced ones frees some
memory, maybe, but isn't otherwise essential.
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2468[16:43:30] <rlange> yeah, i get that, but I would kind of
prefer to just use the one that autoloads on login, rather than
dicking around w/ shell variables manually in each shell
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2469[16:44:28] <rlange> it seems that if ssh-agent loads before a
GUI (as is the case w/ the initial agent) then that agent can never
use must-confirm keys
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2475[16:45:44] <rlange> i was cool w/ just keeping gnome-keyring
until i discovered that it can't deal with must-confirm keys,
but unfortunately the default ssh-agent isn't good in that
regard either. i'll give this `keychain` a try
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2476[16:45:57] <jelly> napnap: so the cron job runs, and you have
to fix the script
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2483[16:46:38] <napnap> jelly, with cron I have
"/usr/bin/python /home/pi/playAndLearn.py >>
/home/pi/playAndLearn.out 2>&1" in the process list.
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2485[16:46:59] <napnap> when I launch it mannually from the cmd
line I've only "/usr/bin/python
/home/pi/playAndLearn.py" in the process list
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2487[16:47:11] <jelly> napnap: that doesn't make sense, you
should not be able to see the redirection in the process list
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2489[16:47:36] <greycat> Maybe he actually has sh -c
'/usr/bin/python /home/pi/playAndLearn.py >>
/home/pi/playAndLearn.out 2>&1' in the process list and
he can't type.
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2491[16:48:15] <jelly> greycat:
replaced-url
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2493[16:48:28] <jelly> a sh -c would actually be nice.
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2494[16:49:28] <greycat> Ok, that's hilariously bad.
He's not actually performing redirections. He's passing
the >> and the 2>&1 as literal strings.
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2495[16:49:38] <greycat> napnap:
replaced-url
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2497[16:50:38] <greycat> Also his ps|grep|grep line is wrong.
That will not correctly detect whether he's running already or
not.
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2498[16:50:51] <ghormoon> hi, can I somehow "probe"
remote Xserver? to check, if it will accept a window without
actually trying and crashing some X app in z loop? :)
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2499[16:51:00] <greycat> For that one, he should read
replaced-url
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2502[16:51:44] <jackcom> jtdowney: Unix System Resource
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2512[16:57:10] <jelly> napnap: the thing with pipes is $? will
contain the return code of the last command in the pipe, "grep
-v grep" in this case. Save yourself the trouble and use
"pgrep" instead
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2520[17:00:15] <rattking> you can set pipefail to change that
behaviour
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2521[17:01:10] <greycat> Checking for running processes by name
is inherently bad, for the reasons described on
replaced-url
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2523[17:01:17] <jelly> rattking: there is no pipefail in /bin/sh
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2524[17:01:22] <greycat> (also true)
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2528[17:03:48] <jelly> and "if ! foo" instead of
"foo; if [ $? != 0 ]"
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2532[17:04:19] <greycat> Well, at least that was just extra
verbosity and not an error.
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2533[17:05:50] <greycat> makerun() { /usr/bin/python
/home/pi/playAndLearn.py >> ~/playAndLearn.out 2>&1
& }; export DISPLAY=:0; pgrep playAndLearn || makerun
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2534[17:05:59] <greycat> That would be one way to rewrite it.
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2535[17:06:14] <greycat> oops, should have replaced both
instances of /home/pi/
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2536[17:07:41] <greycat> and probably want >/dev/null on pgrep
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2597[17:10:45] <jelly> it's probably not "have to"
as much as "spend the least amount of resources doing a silly
monitoring and restart script"
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2600[17:10:57] <jelly> instead of, say, making a systemd unit for
the thing
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2601[17:10:58] <jhutchins> greycat: WHich section of that doc are
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2664[17:12:16] <greycat> Thanks, freenode.
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2665[17:12:24] <napnap> jelly, greycat thx 4 your help.
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2674[17:13:44] <tuppabox> how can i find the name of an
aplication to start in the terminal?
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2675[17:13:53] <tuppabox> *from the terminal
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2678[17:14:12] <greycat> Ask a question that includes some
details about what you want to do.
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2682[17:14:31] <tuppabox> i want to start the kde system settings
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2685[17:14:57] <tuppabox> the login screen settings
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2686[17:15:10] <TomTomTo1> usually it's a bad idea to run
graphical applications as root.
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2688[17:15:28] <TomTomTo1> is it the login screen now or the
system settings? and why?
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2697[17:16:31] <tuppabox> ah ok now it works or the window doesnt
appear....to enter the password for more rights
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2698[17:16:35] <jhutchins> tuppabox: If it's set up
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2703[17:17:35] <tuppabox> yes right, thank you think the window
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2738[17:27:38] <jackcom> what is $?
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2739[17:27:46] <jackcom> what is ‘$?'?
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2742[17:28:27] <TomTomTosch> jackcom: the most recent exit
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2743[17:28:50] <jackcom> what is 0?
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2744[17:28:56] <jackcom> succeed?
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2745[17:29:03] <kevin-leptons> jackcom: $? is returned value of
prev command
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2747[17:29:15] <jackcom> yeah what is 0?
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2748[17:29:19] <jackcom> kevin-leptons:
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2749[17:29:29] <kevin-leptons> jackcom: in normal, posix, 0 mean
is success, other mean is error
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2750[17:29:37] <jackcom> oh
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2751[17:29:39] <jackcom> thanks
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2752[17:29:42] <jackcom> :)
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2754[17:29:47] <kevin-leptons> jackcom: :D
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2760[17:32:04] <jackcom> && = ;
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2762[17:32:12] <jackcom> ‘&&’ ==
‘;’
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2763[17:32:13] <jackcom> ?
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2764[17:32:21] <greycat> No.
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2765[17:32:42] <greycat> && checks the exit status. ;
does not.
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2766[17:33:11] <jackcom> && excute when first command is
0?
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2768[17:33:23] <jackcom> greycat:
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2770[17:33:46] <babilen> jackcom: There is a very friendly #bash
channel and reading
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2771[17:33:49] <greycat> Given the command a && b the
shell runs a, then checks the exit status, and only runs b if the
status was success (0).
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2772[17:34:15] <jackcom> oh thanks greycat :)
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2774[17:35:04] <jackcom> echo1 first && echo second
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2775[17:35:05] <jackcom> bash: echo1: command not found
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2776[17:35:17] <jackcom> echo1 first ; echo second
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2777[17:35:17] <jackcom> bash: echo1: command not found
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2778[17:35:18] <jackcom> second
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2779[17:35:24] <jackcom> good
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2780[17:35:29] <greycat> jackcom: #bash is a more suitable place
for this
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2781[17:35:38] <jackcom> ok
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2783[17:36:11] <TomTomTosch> need samuel l. jackson in here to
tell people to not press enter too often.
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2786[17:37:15] <babilen> dpkg: enter
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2787[17:37:15] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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2788[17:37:24] <babilen> TomTomTosch: ^ is the best we could
afford
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2792[17:38:09] <greycat> He was pasting commands and responses,
not writing prose.
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2797[17:39:26] <babilen> For which a pastebin would be better
suited in the long run, but lets not delve into this. I saw no harm
in what happened, but hope that further questions are being asked in
a more suitable channel like #bash
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2827[17:51:31] <kevin-leptons> some thing are funny will happen
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2828[17:51:55] <greycat> Not on a regular basis, but you never
know.
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2829[17:52:20] <mtn> funny haha or funny strange?
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2882[18:08:52] <debfan> Hello
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2885[18:09:46] <debfan> I'm having hard times with upgrading
apache on debian 8.4...
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2887[18:10:10] <debfan> I need to update it to version
>=2.4.14 due to PCI DSS...
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2889[18:10:23] <debfan> But there's no newer version than
2.4.10.
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2892[18:10:52] <debfan> I tried checking packages from
unstable/testing, but it's missing apache2-mpm-prefork - and I
need that package.
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2893[18:10:55] <debfan> Any advice?
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2896[18:12:09] <petn-randall> ,v apache2
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2897[18:12:12] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 --
squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12;
squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6;
wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; jessie-security:
2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4; stretch: 2.4.20-2; sid:
2.4.20-2
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2900[18:12:57] <debfan> ,v apache2-mpm-prefork
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2902[18:13:01] <judd> Package: apache2-mpm-prefork on amd64 --
squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12;
squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy-security:
2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; jessie-security:
2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4
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2903[18:13:19] <debfan> Yep, 2.4.10-10 is the newest version in
all repositories.
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2904[18:13:29] <petn-randall> debfan: You could backport the
apache2 from testing, and track security issues by hand. But it
seems like you should be talking to whoever dictates this and
explaining them that this will *decrease* the security of your site.
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2907[18:14:03] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport apache2
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2908[18:14:04] <judd> Backporting package apache2 in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
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2910[18:14:31] <petn-randall> debfan: The packages in jessie get
100% security support, the ones in testing don't. Meaning that
you can be quite confident that any open security issues are fixed
in 2.4.10-10+deb8u1.
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2912[18:14:57] <debfan> petn-randall: even if I will backport
apache from testing that will not help me in case of getting
mpm-prefork version.
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2913[18:15:05] <debfan> And the main issue here is mpm-prefork.
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2914[18:15:06] <greycat> You have to choose whether you want to
be secure and stable, or get rid of the red flags on you
manager's crappy PCI scan report.
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2916[18:16:01] <debfan> petn-randall: so for example
CVE-2015-3183 is fixd in 2.4.10-10?
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2919[18:17:03] <TomTomTosch> you can check stuff in the tracker
of doom.
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2921[18:17:18] <debfan> Checking, thanks.
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2925[18:18:43] <debfan> Okay, checked them all, no need to
upgrade in that case, all are 'fixed'. Thans TomTomTosch.
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2928[18:20:04] <petn-randall> debfan: Just make sure you apply
security updates regularly. :)
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2931[18:21:31] <debfan> I do :-)
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2932[18:21:33] <debfan> Thanks.
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2989[18:36:47] <leba2> Do you know how often are new debian
"sub-versions" released? Sub-version meaning 8.3, 8.4, 8.x
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2990[18:37:02] <leba2> I realized 8.5 was almost just released...
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2991[18:37:33] <leba2> I wanted to download it, but what if in
few days a new 8.6 is released?
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2992[18:37:54] <greycat> Then you'll get new packages when
you apt-get upgrade.
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2994[18:38:28] <leba2> Oh
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2995[18:38:49] <leba2> Well, anyway, even if just curiosity, how
often are new debian "sub-versions" released? Sub-version
meaning 8.3, 8.4, 8.x
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2996[18:39:03] <TomTomTosch> every few months.
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2998[18:39:38] <leba2> Ouch
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3001[18:40:09] <leba2> So even in a production server apt-get
update (or upgrade?) every few months...
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3006[18:40:57] <greycat> Every day.
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3008[18:41:08] <Johann> well, you should do that every few days
if you can manage it.
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3010[18:41:19] <greycat> I usually do about once a week, because
I'm lazy.
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3011[18:41:35] <Johann> Still, it very much depends on your needs
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3012[18:41:37] <greycat> You can also subscribe to the security
announcements mailing list.
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3013[18:41:54] <leba2> OUCH
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3014[18:41:59] <TomTomTosch> point releases is not where you get
security updates if that was your concern.
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3015[18:42:11] <Johann> Each upgrade has a chance to break
something on your system so every upgrade on very critical system
*should* be tested before
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3017[18:42:39] <Johann> if you can't afford a good test
environment then maybe you should lower a little your upgrade
frequency, or choose not to upgrade at all.
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3018[18:43:20] <Johann> if the servers are not very critical and
you can afford a couple of hours of downtime to correct the problem
if something goes wrong , then you should upgrade the msot often
that you can
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3019[18:43:27] <jhutchins> leba2: Not sure exactly what
you're trying to determine, but Debian releaseas aren't
tied to a schedule, they're based on when significant
improvements are tested and stable and ready to release.
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3023[18:44:21] <leba2> Mm...
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3040[18:53:22] <XeonSquared> Can I go testing ->
jessie-updates?
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3041[18:53:30] <greycat> no
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3042[18:53:41] <XeonSquared> Welp, good to know the answer is
that simple.
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3043[18:53:49] <XeonSquared> Testing it is.
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3044[18:53:49] <tv_> hello. is there a free software (in Debian)
to easily create "doodling" videos from vector graphics?
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3046[18:56:10] <tv_> I have looked at inkscape (no dynamics),
tupi, and pencil2d (the latter two are apparently more for separate
frames, but not for something that is incrementally drawn)
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3069[19:03:49] <XeonSquared> Okay, another fun question: Are
there any current live images that fit on a 700M CD and have a
desktop environment?
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3090[19:11:55] <jhutchins> XeonSquared: I don't see any on
the the Debian live page. Knoppix is DVD only now.
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3092[19:12:08] <XeonSquared> That's a pain.
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3094[19:12:35] <XeonSquared> Hard to use these 150 CDs. Oh well,
I'll throw something together
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3105[19:16:23] <Pr0metheus> i am trying to setup a vpn connection
(IKEv2 PEAP) with strongswan. Unfortunately, the GUI does not work
in Gnome (network-manager). I saw the wiki but the examples do not
match my configuration files. Can anyone give a hint on where to
start? /etc/strongswan.d/charon has so many conf files
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3111[19:21:00] <somiaj> Pr0metheus: have you installed the
strongswan-nm (the plugin for network manager)?
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3112[19:21:10] <somiaj> Pr0metheus: there is also
network-manager-strongswan
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3114[19:21:23] <Pr0metheus> somiaj yes already did, the gui is
broken
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3115[19:21:41] <Pr0metheus> somiaj i checked the bug reports, it
has been already submmited
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3117[19:22:10] <somiaj> was there no solution in the bug-reports,
or was the solution learn how to configure the software (I
haven't used it so I don't really know how to configure
it)
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3118[19:22:24] <Pr0metheus> no solution yet, so i have to find a
way to set it up manually
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3153[19:40:22] <aria> hey guys
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3165[19:41:51] <aria> question: If i open a screen session and su
to a different user, and run a process, why doesnt that other user
show up in who ?
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3167[19:41:53] <aria> or w
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3170[19:42:55] <somiaj> aria: su doesn't do a full login,
try su - username
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3171[19:43:10] <greycat> because 'w' and
'who' read from a file called utmp (or wtmp), which only
gets written to by login(1) and some other specific things
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3173[19:43:40] <aria> interesting
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3174[19:43:46] <greycat> Basically, the entire who/utmp
infrastructure is pathetic and should not be used as any kind of
security monitoring.
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3175[19:44:32] <Serialbox> greycat: i centrally log, but I gotta
be honest i've used who/utmp ALOT back in the day for seeing
who was on my shell box
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3177[19:44:49] <aria> tried it, somiaj, altho i did a sudo su -
username
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3178[19:44:53] <greycat> It's OK for a quick glance to see
if Susan has logged in yet, but....
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3179[19:44:56] <Serialbox> but yeah anyone can launch something
directly through ssh and you'd never see it
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3182[19:45:06] <aria> it still shows up as 2 connections by the
first user
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3183[19:45:11] <somiaj> aria: su - username isn't showing up
in su? Hmm thought that would give a full login(1) shell
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3184[19:45:13] <Serialbox> greycat: central logging is best
practices now a days, but I doubt most people do it.
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3186[19:45:30] <greycat> Depends on what your security/auditing
needs are.
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3188[19:45:40] <Serialbox> greycat: I'm at a university
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3189[19:45:41] <aria> dunno, im running a trimmed down wheezy
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3190[19:45:41] <somiaj> aria: it might just be looking at open
terimals (tty and pty) and giving the user who owns the terminal,
not the user who is loged in
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3191[19:45:41] <greycat> Most people are not running machines
critical enough to warrant a lot of effort.
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3192[19:45:42] <Serialbox> we get raped daily
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3193[19:46:03] <Serialbox> well, weekly... and it's not
always rape. sometimes it's just sexual assault
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3194[19:46:26] <Serialbox> But if I haven't responded to an
incident this week, I start to worry
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3196[19:46:54] <Serialbox> greycat: personally I think the
windows event viewer alone warrents logging it centrally somewhere
else
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3197[19:47:18] <greycat> "man utmp" is a good
introduction
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3201[19:48:01] <aria> ty grey
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3204[19:49:38] <greycat> utmp/wtmp were developed back in the
early days of unix, when all of the people on the box worked in your
department, and they all used hard-wired serial terminals, no
networking....
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3205[19:49:49] <eSa|> hmmm mouse wheel suddenly returned with the
nice behaviour
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3209[19:51:22] <greycat> utmp/wtmp won't do a damned thing
to report that john logged in, left a background job sleeping,
logged out, and then 5 days later, the background job woke up and
did a bunch of evil things.
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3210[19:51:39] <Serialbox> greycat: yeah exactly
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3213[19:51:51] <Serialbox> but that's kinda not what it was
ever intended for either
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3214[19:52:10] <greycat> That's my point. It's not
intended for any kind of security auditing, but people *think* it
is.
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3215[19:52:17] <Serialbox> A nightly email telling you how much
bandwidth/connections each uid made/used would be nice
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3217[19:52:49] <Serialbox> And since your big fancy firewall
can't see UID states on the box (or is there some sort of agent
with some vendors now?)
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3218[19:52:58] * Serialbox considers writing an agent
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3223[19:53:41] <Serialbox> Actually it'd be really easy to
do. All the device would have to do is ask the agent who owns that
sourceport
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3224[19:53:55] <greycat> sounds like identd
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3225[19:54:00] <Serialbox> LOL
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3226[19:54:04] <Serialbox> yeah but no one uses that anymore
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3227[19:54:14] <Serialbox> It's exactly identd
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3233[19:57:26] <somiaj> aria: ps faux (or varients) will give you
the owners of all currently running processes
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3234[19:57:32] <aria> ooh
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3242[19:58:38] <Serialbox> somiaj: well lsof -i in the case of
sockets, but yes.
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3244[19:58:55] <Serialbox> Trouble is that's not really
automated/clear and you can't discover trends over time with it
unless you're polling it manually
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3251[20:00:32] <aria> i like how ps faux shows you more of the
logic flow in your processes
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3297[20:19:44] <MaBunny> Does the debian os work for arm cortex
a7 mt-6592 ?
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3299[20:19:48] <MaBunny>
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3301[20:20:37] <somiaj> MaBunny: do you happen to know if that is
an arm v7 arch or arm v6 or something else?
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3303[20:20:52] <MaBunny> Ill search for it
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3314[20:23:30] <towo`> it's arm v8
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3316[20:23:45] <MaBunny> Its written like this: The ARM®
Cortex®-A7 is the most efficient ARMv7-A processor and the most
successful
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3317[20:23:56] <MaBunny> I guess its v7
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3319[20:24:42] <towo`> ah yes, it's v7, looked at the wron
line in the table
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3320[20:25:13] <MaBunny> So, can i install debian on this
platform???
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3321[20:25:18] <somiaj> well the armhf port supports armv7, so
debian should support it
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3322[20:25:25] <MaBunny> Ok
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3324[20:26:02] <greycat> You might also want to ask #debian-arm
on OFTC (not Freenode), in case the device has some bizarre booting
requirements. Some of them do.
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3325[20:26:05] <somiaj> if the armhf port doens't support it
(if it lacks the floating point support, which I doubt) you may have
to fall back to the older armel port.
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3326[20:26:09] <MaBunny> What about the installation
process...how will i go about it
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3327[20:26:24] <towo`> after reading all your quesations here, i
would say, you win't get debian installed on such device
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3328[20:26:29] <somiaj> that is what I'm unfamilar with, as
greycat mentioned some boards can be quite fininky to boot
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3330[20:26:40] <MaBunny> Ok ill go there
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3332[20:26:49] <towo`> on such SoC you can't use an ios and
boot from it
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3334[20:26:58] <towo`> there is no bios on such devices
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