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70[00:53:11] <njumdl2014> I upgrade my debian desktop from
jessie to stretch. It becomes very slow.
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71[00:53:26] <vutral> wuuuuuuuuuu
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72[00:53:33] <vutral> one more reason to not upgrade
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78[00:56:42] <daca__> debian installed on usb won't boot.
Grub installed on the same usb with Debian 9. After sucessful
instalation redirected to reboot; just black screen with flashing
cursor?
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83[00:57:39] <petn-randall> njumdl2014: Well, the upgrade
process takes ressources, so things will be a little slower during
upgrade.
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85[00:58:47] <njumdl2014> not. After I upgrade to debian
stretch, I restart my desktop. Then everything seems very slow
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88[00:59:37] <petn-randall> njumdl2014: Slow in what sense?
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89[00:59:47] <Milo-> Hey, I have asus zenbook pro 550 and I
need some assistance getting it to use nvidia drivers instead of
nouveau. So far my efforts have been futile
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90[01:00:03] <Milo-> nvidia-detect says it can't detect
any GPU
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91[01:00:24] <petn-randall> Milo-: Do you have a laptop with
hybrid graphics?
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92[01:00:27] <Milo-> nouveuau is blacklisted, but can't
start X when xorg.conf has nvidia
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93[01:00:31] <njumdl2014> the speed to open one tab of chromium
make me impatient
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95[01:00:47] <njumdl2014> just a small example
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96[01:00:53] <Milo-> petn-randall yeah, it has intel graphics
integrated to cpu and external nvidia card
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97[01:01:17] <petn-randall> !bumblebee
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98[01:01:17] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide
support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux
systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are
Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep
'\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the
laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and
<wheezy-backports>.
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99[01:01:25] <petn-randall> Milo-: This? ^^^
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100[01:01:25] <Milo-> with bumblebee, I get a total halt when
trying to launch X
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104[01:02:28] <Milo-> besides, isn't bumblebee meant for
optimus cards?
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106[01:02:50] <Milo-> afaik 1050ti is not one of them
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108[01:04:11] <petn-randall> Milo-: Check if you have GPU
switching or not. You might have to check the specs for the laptop.
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110[01:04:32] <Milo-> can't get X to start at all when
bumblebee-nvidia and primus is installed. It simply freezes during
boot (no keyboard interaction at all)
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112[01:04:40] <stree> bumblebeed, primus and virtualgl xd
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117[01:07:14] <Milo-> either NVidia or Asus mention Optimus
explicitly
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128[01:10:01] <Milo-> I can't even get any logs explaining
why the system freezes during boot when bumblebee is installed
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136[01:13:37] <Milo-> any suggestions on how to pursue the
issue?
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145[01:19:30] <Milo-> guess not :/
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152[01:24:09] <B0rk_Meister6six> I also have a hybrid graphics
laptop
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153[01:24:25] <B0rk_Meister6six> bumbblebee worked for me
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155[01:24:42] <B0rk_Meister6six> my bios wont let me disable my
intel card
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156[01:24:49] <B0rk_Meister6six> so everything is through it
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157[01:24:53] <Milo-> as far as I can gather, I'm fairly
certain I'm supposed to use bumblebee
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158[01:25:01] <B0rk_Meister6six> yeah
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159[01:25:09] <B0rk_Meister6six> it'll install everything
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160[01:25:11] <Milo-> but since I can't even get to a
terminal with bumblebee installed...
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161[01:25:21] <B0rk_Meister6six> dont try to use nvidia on its
own
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162[01:25:31] <Milo-> I've tried both ways
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163[01:25:32] <B0rk_Meister6six> one sec...
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164[01:25:45] <B0rk_Meister6six> you can use bumblebee in two
ways
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165[01:25:51] <B0rk_Meister6six> i think
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167[01:26:09] <Milo-> there is bumblebee and bumblebee-nvidia
packages
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168[01:26:16] <Milo-> I'm only interested in the latter.
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169[01:26:43] <B0rk_Meister6six> onboard graphics through nvidia
chipsset with #1 nvidia prop drivers or #neauvo
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170[01:27:01] <B0rk_Meister6six> i followed the instructions on
he debian page
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171[01:27:05] <B0rk_Meister6six> lemme find it
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172[01:27:07] <Milo-> so did I
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173[01:27:11] <B0rk_Meister6six> oh
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174[01:27:23] <Milo-> and it leaves me with a system that
won't even boot.
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175[01:27:41] <B0rk_Meister6six> yeah, Im no expert. i guess i
got lucky
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176[01:27:43] <Milo-> a system that won't even give me a
console, or any logs.
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178[01:28:17] <B0rk_Meister6six> i recently installed debian 9
last week
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179[01:28:23] <B0rk_Meister6six> so i was on a fresh install
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180[01:28:44] <B0rk_Meister6six> installed optirun
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181[01:28:47] <Milo-> I installed debian 9.1 few days ago, and
been battling with this since then
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182[01:29:19] <B0rk_Meister6six> i got 9.1.0
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183[01:29:26] <B0rk_Meister6six> been 7 days or so
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184[01:29:31] <B0rk_Meister6six> solid on my laptop
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185[01:29:52] <Milo-> guess I'll just have to start using
your laptop instead of mine then. :P
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187[01:30:05] <B0rk_Meister6six> haha
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188[01:30:28] <B0rk_Meister6six> i installed Synaptic Package
Manager
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189[01:30:36] <B0rk_Meister6six> and then bumblebee
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191[01:30:50] <B0rk_Meister6six> whats yer graphics cards?
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192[01:30:58] <Milo-> 1050ti
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194[01:31:55] <B0rk_Meister6six> yeah man... like i said.. im no
expert
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195[01:32:01] <B0rk_Meister6six>
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196[01:32:05] <B0rk_Meister6six> =(
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197[01:32:36] <B0rk_Meister6six> i wish i could turn off my
intel graphics card
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198[01:32:41] <B0rk_Meister6six> and solely use ny nvidia card
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199[01:32:55] <Milo-> that would be way too simple :P
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201[01:33:26] <Milo-> currently this thing is a 2000 euro
paperweight
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202[01:34:14] <B0rk_Meister6six> that sucks
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203[01:34:21] <stree> in case closed connection sucks
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204[01:34:27] <B0rk_Meister6six> honestly tho, i never use my
nvidia card
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206[01:35:10] <B0rk_Meister6six> i mean i have to invoke the
'optirun' command if i want to use the nvidia chipset
through the intel's output
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208[01:36:04] <B0rk_Meister6six> its a fancy gpu sitting
idle....
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209[01:36:25] <B0rk_Meister6six> but i can run lxgears through
it for shits and grins
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211[01:36:32] <B0rk_Meister6six> *glxgears
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214[01:37:45] <B0rk_Meister6six> I'm also using KDE... if
that makes a difference
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218[01:38:57] <Milo-> doesn't really matter since I
can't get further than typing my disk encryption password at
the moment
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219[01:39:51] <B0rk_Meister6six> i had the same issue (it seems)
when i tred to install the nvidia driver without groing through the
bummble route
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224[01:40:54] <B0rk_Meister6six> you need someone smarter than
me to help ya
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229[01:41:50] <Milo-> yep
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238[01:50:07] <Milo-> Can't find if 375.66 still supports
1050ti or not
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239[01:51:20] <Milo-> nvidia's own page 6 results, oldest
one being 378.13
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240[01:53:11] <B0rk_Meister6six> 375 is what i have
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242[01:53:21] <B0rk_Meister6six> im running 9.1 stable
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244[01:53:48] <Milo-> but my card is newer than yours?
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247[01:55:33] <B0rk_Meister6six> GTX 860M is what i have
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249[01:56:22] <Milo-> so yes
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250[01:57:29] <B0rk_Meister6six> and i'm using the nvidia
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254[01:58:32] <B0rk_Meister6six> yeah... dont know what else to
say. I had a fresh install of 9.1 debian on stable with non-free
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255[01:58:37] <B0rk_Meister6six> followed
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259[01:59:20] <B0rk_Meister6six> sudo apt-get install
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260[01:59:24] <B0rk_Meister6six> all i did
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262[01:59:37] <B0rk_Meister6six> and then added myself to the
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264[02:00:41] <B0rk_Meister6six> seriously tho.... it wasnt
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265[02:00:48] <B0rk_Meister6six> i done even use my nvidia card
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266[02:01:01] <B0rk_Meister6six> i have to manually use it
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267[02:01:07] <B0rk_Meister6six> and i dont play gamed
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268[02:01:12] <B0rk_Meister6six> *games
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269[02:01:30] <B0rk_Meister6six> but 'optirun glxgears
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278[02:06:17] <sypher> pwd
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279[02:06:23] <sypher> pwd
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280[02:07:00] <sypher> pwd
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282[02:07:45] <sypher> the hell?
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283[02:08:35] <PipeItToDevNull> #debian
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305[02:23:11] <Milo-> reinstalled bumblebee, now X starts, but
it's definitely not using bumblebee. Darn thing won't
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315[02:28:04] <Plushfish> Hey
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316[02:28:08] <tables> what's the best way to get traffic
to your website?
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317[02:28:09] <Plushfish> o
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318[02:28:14] <tables> so they convert on your SaaS page
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319[02:28:18] <Plushfish> Sorry, the o shouldn't be there
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321[02:28:50] <Plushfish> I have a 64 GB USB 3.0 drive, what
format should I use? It'll only be used on UNIX-like systems.
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322[02:28:56] <Plushfish> I mean what file system
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325[02:29:36] <Milo-> ext4
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326[02:29:44] <eck> ext4 if by unix-like you mean linux
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328[02:29:57] <eck> if you want to use it on mac as well just
use fat
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329[02:30:06] <Plushfish> With UNIX-like I mean BSD too ... iirc
BSD is UNIX-like
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330[02:30:17] <eck> bsd probably supports ext4
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332[02:30:31] <Plushfish> Alright, thanks
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333[02:30:37] <eck> not 100% sure though
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335[02:30:39] <eck> you should check
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336[02:30:43] <eck> it definitely supports ext2/3
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337[02:30:45] <Plushfish> It's worth a try :)
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338[02:31:10] <eck> freebsd wiki says most ext4 features are
supported
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339[02:31:11] <tw> It'll read ext4 for sure, but your
journals might get a little mangled if you write.
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340[02:31:33] <Plushfish> What about XFS?
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341[02:31:34] <eck>
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342[02:31:48] <eck> oh, it's read only
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343[02:31:57] <Plushfish> ext2 or XFS?
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344[02:32:04] <eck> use fat :-P
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345[02:32:06] <tw> afaik, xfs only has linux support.
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346[02:32:37] <Plushfish> FAT32 .. hmm .. FAT32 can't store
files bigger than 3.8 GiB
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347[02:32:47] <eck> honestly ntfs might work
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348[02:33:02] <eck> the issue is that most (all?) of the linux
filesystems are GPL, so the code can't be easily used in BSD
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349[02:33:08] <eck> which means BSD support is nonexistant or
very very basic
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350[02:33:13] <Milo-> hmm, so why bumblebeed is not starting
even thought it should be set to default runlevel?
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351[02:33:22] <Plushfish> eck: I see and understand
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353[02:33:49] <Plushfish> I think it should work, BSD also has
ntfs-3g
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354[02:34:08] <eck> do you need to write from bsd as well?
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355[02:34:13] <Plushfish> Yes
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356[02:34:40] <tw> Y'know what filesystem would work? zfs
>.>
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357[02:34:51] <Plushfish> lol
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358[02:35:41] <Plushfish> I could also split my >4GB files
into two or more if needed, then I could use FAT32
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359[02:36:30] <eck> or two partitions :-P
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360[02:36:41] <eck> linux fs on one, bsd fs on the other
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361[02:37:07] <Plushfish> That would be a solution
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363[02:38:01] <Milo-> Any idea why bumblebeed is not starting
during boot anymore?
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364[02:38:24] <tw> Plushfish: ext3 is just fine and it can write
from both.
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365[02:38:41] <Plushfish> tw: Oh, thanks for sharing.
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367[02:39:04] <tw> Milo-: did you get any log messages regarding
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369[02:39:35] <Milo-> I don't think it's even trying
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371[02:40:46] <Milo-> it used to start and freeze my laptop. ran
update-rc.d bumblebee remove to see what's causing it. removed
bumblebee and tried reinstalling it
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374[02:41:05] <Milo-> and then used updaterc to add it back to
runlevels, but after X starts, bumblebee is still inactive
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378[02:42:08] <tw> you restarted after update-rc.d? which driver
is loaded by X currently? nvidia?
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379[02:42:10] <Milo-> oh, might have been disabled still. ran
systemctl enable bumblebeed.service, let's boot.
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381[02:42:20] <Milo-> tw i915
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382[02:42:24] <Milo-> and yes
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384[02:43:02] <Milo-> okay, now I'm back at the situation
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385[02:43:31] <Milo-> seriously no idea what to do with this
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387[02:43:48] <Milo-> I can't get bumblebee to work at all
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390[02:45:43] <Milo-> any suggestions where to look once I
reboot the system again recovery mode?
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391[02:46:00] <Milo-> there is got to be a trace somewhere
what's making the system just die like this
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392[02:46:24] <tw> Nothing in journalctl about it?
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393[02:46:26] <tw> or dmesg?
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398[02:47:31] <Milo-> I have zero input methods during this
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399[02:47:41] <Milo-> no ssh, no console, nothing.
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400[02:47:56] <tw> It'll go to /var/log/kern.log
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401[02:47:59] <tw> (dmesg)
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404[02:53:36] <Milo-> Aug 4 03:18:42 flipflopbox kernel: [
15.551685] uvcvideo: Failed to initialize entity for entity 6
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405[02:53:39] <Milo-> Aug 4 03:18:42 flipflopbox kernel: [
15.551686] uvcvideo: Failed to register entites (-22).
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406[02:53:46] <Milo-> maybe that..
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408[02:54:24] <Milo-> that's the only video related
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411[02:55:22] <tw> Nothing in journalctl -b1 ?
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412[02:55:46] <Milo-> rip, no persistent journal is set
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414[02:56:50] <tw> hurg =/ What about /var/log/Xorg*?
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415[02:56:52] <Milo-> guess I'll have to do two more boots.
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416[02:56:58] <tw> Not that I think it gets there =/
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417[02:57:06] <tw> If it's hanging starting bumblebeed
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418[02:57:25] <tw> If you're in multi-user.target now, you
can try to manually start the service, then startx and see what
happens.
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419[02:57:35] <tw> At least you'll know exactly when it
hangs XD
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423[02:59:14] <Milo-> nothing in Xorg.0.log from the previous
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424[03:00:06] <Milo-> nothing in journalctl -b1 either
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425[03:01:27] <Milo-> tw
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426[03:01:33] <Milo-> by that point it's already frozen.
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427[03:03:17] <tw> you've got me stumped then, you're
at the point where I'd plug in a serial cable and set console
output to that, but I doubt your laptop has one of those.
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428[03:03:35] <Milo-> :)
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430[03:03:54] <Milo-> Damn thing barely even has an USB port -_-
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434[03:06:16] <Milo-> guess I'll have to uninstall
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458[03:16:47] <tw> moony: can it { flock 9 -x ; : }
9>/run/lock/testlock ?
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460[03:17:07] <moony> tw, i believe so.
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461[03:17:13] <moony> See feature list
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462[03:17:15] <tw> Then it's probably okay.
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463[03:17:18] <tw> you'd have to test it.
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464[03:17:24] <tw> scope redirection isn't listed.
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466[03:18:19] <Milo-> hmm, pretty sure it shouldn't make a
difference whether I build bumblebee manually or not. the project
hasn't had a single commit in over 4 years
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467[03:18:43] <Milo-> is this seriously the only way to get
nvidia card to work? -_-
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516[03:59:35] <mandeep> in stable gnome 3 is changing the key
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520[04:01:50] <mandeep> it looks like it does, just that the
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523[04:04:42] <mandeep> but xset does the trick
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526[04:06:41] <dsc_> hi guys, pcmanfm or any other file browser
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527[04:06:53] <dsc_> i can mount them fine via terminal
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528[04:07:04] <dsc_> but this used to work when I used openbox -
started using i3wm though.
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530[04:07:37] <dsc_> what would happen is I get a password
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531[04:07:39] <dsc_> now I just get the error.
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542[04:12:10] <dsc_> apt-get install ntfs-config was the
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563[04:31:25] <ajbone> Hello, I'm following instructions on
wiki.debian.org/lamp and while trying to install packages php5,
php5-mysql, libapache2-mod-php5 I get a package not available error.
If anyone is able to point me in the right direction with how best
to find the packages I need would be much appreciated. Thanks
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564[04:32:05] <petn-randall> ajbone: php5 is not in the newest
stable release, stretch. You need to install php7 there.
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569[04:34:51] <ajbone> Thanks petn-randall
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576[04:38:53] <RoyK> ajbone: which debian version?
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578[04:39:09] <stree> sauvin listens to chrome version when
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619[05:01:51] <TyrfingMjolnir> How to fix this?
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620[05:01:56] <TyrfingMjolnir>
replaced-url
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621[05:02:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> I did an apt-get upgrade
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624[05:02:46] <dvs> !firmware-realtek
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628[05:06:45] <TyrfingMjolnir>
replaced-url
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629[05:06:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> dvs?
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630[05:06:49] <TyrfingMjolnir> dvs: ?
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632[05:06:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> !firmware-realtek
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633[05:07:19] <dvs> ,v firmware-realtek
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634[05:07:20] <judd> Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free:
20161130-3~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-3; buster/non-free:
20161130-3; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3
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635[05:07:24] <dvs> you need that package.
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640[05:09:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> I'm on jessie
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641[05:09:56] <TyrfingMjolnir>
replaced-url
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642[05:11:10] <dvs> TyrfingMjolnir, you don't have non-free
as part of your sources.
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644[05:12:02] <hanasaki> what would you recommend for a vpn
server ?
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647[05:12:51] <TyrfingMjolnir> zerotier or openvpn
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649[05:13:42] <TyrfingMjolnir> If you choose to manage your own
keys, make sure you source your root and private keys on an SD card
that is stored in a safe place when not signing keys
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650[05:14:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> Only connect the SD card when
signing
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651[05:15:13] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: looking to setup my own
vpn vs use someones
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652[05:15:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> zerotier is like torrent
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653[05:15:42] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's a p2p VPN like thing
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654[05:15:55] <TyrfingMjolnir> No realt administration unless
you host your own tracker
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655[05:15:57] <hanasaki> explain more please?
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656[05:16:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> zerotier.com
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657[05:16:20] <hanasaki> do they get my traffic unencrypted?
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658[05:16:44] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's e2e cipher
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659[05:16:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> Like WebRTC or bitcoin
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662[05:17:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> At least that's what they
write on their homepage
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664[05:18:08] <hanasaki> with they both tunnel over http? https?
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666[05:19:09] <TyrfingMjolnir> I must admit I use OpenVPN for
most stuff; I only discovered zerotier 2 weeks ago
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667[05:19:29] <TyrfingMjolnir> I use zerotier for mumble
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668[05:19:39] <TyrfingMjolnir> With certain devs
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669[05:19:41] <hanasaki> mumble?
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670[05:19:53] <TyrfingMjolnir> encrypted skype
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671[05:19:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> encrypted "skype"
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672[05:20:12] <hanasaki> openvpn looks like it tunnels on tcp22
and standard ssh protocol?
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675[05:20:43] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: tried ring ?
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680[05:26:10] <TyrfingMjolnir> dvs how can I do the upgrade
again with the newly installed package?
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681[05:26:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> ring.cx?
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683[05:26:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> One of my peers would like me to
try this
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684[05:26:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have it downloaded
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685[05:26:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's useless for me until I
get a Meizu MX Pro
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686[05:27:11] <dvs> TyrfingMjolnir, upgrade? Did you install the
package and reboot?
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689[05:28:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> Not yet
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690[05:28:28] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: yes... deb9 has a
package in the repo too
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691[05:28:33] <TyrfingMjolnir> I did apt-get upgrade
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692[05:28:38] <TyrfingMjolnir> and got W
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693[05:28:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> as pasted
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694[05:28:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> I use iPhone
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695[05:29:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> I really dislike android, but
would give Ubuntu touch a go
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696[05:30:44] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir:
replaced-url
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698[05:33:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> hanasaki: All the app stores suck
apart from the Apple one
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699[05:34:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> I don't mind running debian
on a Meizu Pro 5 w/the touch stuff from ubuntu
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700[05:34:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> apt FTW
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701[05:34:08] <apt> For The Win!
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702[05:34:40] <hanasaki> gnome and deb9 work great on my laptop
w/ touch and autorotate
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703[05:35:01] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: you can make calls with
deb on that fon?
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704[05:35:16] <TyrfingMjolnir> Did not get my hands on one yet
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705[05:35:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> But I do not see why not
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706[05:35:43] <TyrfingMjolnir> The best would be to run
deb+e19+touch, no?
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707[05:35:52] <hanasaki> what app will do the equivalent of the
android phone dialer app?
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708[05:36:09] <uxfi> Deb 9 is out/
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709[05:36:10] <uxfi> damn
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711[05:36:35] <hanasaki> stretch yes.. recently
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712[05:36:53] <hanasaki> quite solid... I run kernel 4.12 with
it ;)
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713[05:37:12] <uxfi> ah
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714[05:37:19] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: I prefer blackbox to e
however its not really maintained...
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717[05:38:24] <TyrfingMjolnir> I used to run mac on clients and
debian on all my servers
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719[05:38:59] <TyrfingMjolnir> I had some linux clients too, my
favorite wm is i3, on 2nd place I have enlightenment
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721[05:39:13] <TyrfingMjolnir> Do any of the other wms support
touch at all?
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722[05:40:13] <hanasaki> not sure
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730[05:43:30] <mandeep> anyone have success in install the
private internet access app in stretch? the app wont open for me and
doesnt give any errors. here's the strace:
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743[05:51:58] <deego> After I change /etc/security/limits.conf,
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745[05:52:50] <jmcnaught> mandeep: I don't know about their
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network-manager-openvpn-gnome and with openvpn@.service
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746[05:53:01] <deego> I added this: * hard memlock 50710544, but
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752[05:59:04] <deego> ah, (1) i should have used rss, not
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775[06:22:46] <mandeep> jmcnaught: does that setup protect
against dns leaks?
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777[06:24:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> what is $? in /bin/sh script?
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779[06:25:01] <osmo_SMS> Hello, how I can add custom key, I try
in Settings/Keyboard/Customshortcuts and I failed all the time....
What I want: Press F1 => Ctrl+shift+c and.... F2 = Ctrl+Shift+v
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780[06:25:05] <osmo_SMS> system->preferences->keyboard
shortcuts tool,,, same problem
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781[06:25:14] <jmcnaught> mandeep: if you configure it so that
only PIA's nameservers are in resolv.conf
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782[06:26:14] <mandeep> jmcnaught: cool. i'll give that a
try if PIA doesn't get back to me. thanks!
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783[06:26:18] <jmcnaught> TyrfingMjolnir: $? is the exit code of
the previous command, usually 0 if successful, something else if not
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784[06:27:00] <jmcnaught> mandeep: PIA also doesn't support
ipv6, at least last time I used them, so if you have ipv6 working
then any ipv6 traffic is not over the VPN
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786[06:27:36] <mandeep> jmcnaught: true i remember having to
disable ipv6 every fresh install
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787[06:27:42] <TyrfingMjolnir> What does this mean?
ON_PREMISES=$?
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788[06:28:04] <TyrfingMjolnir> The exit code of the previous
command determines if the script is run on-prem?
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792[06:28:41] <jmcnaught> TyrfingMjolnir: it means set the
variable ON_PREMISES to the exit code of the last command. Try
running a command in bash, then 'echo $?'
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796[06:29:39] <jmcnaught> osmo_SMS: what desktop environment are
you using?
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799[06:30:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> llt /tmp/
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800[06:30:17] <TyrfingMjolnir> echo $?
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801[06:30:20] <TyrfingMjolnir> returns 0
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803[06:30:41] <jmcnaught> TyrfingMjolnir:
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804[06:30:46] <osmo_SMS> jmcnaught, gnome
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808[06:31:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I change this exit
status? On purpose i e
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809[06:31:35] <TyrfingMjolnir> export $?=1
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810[06:31:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> ?
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812[06:31:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> export ?=1
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813[06:31:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> ?
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814[06:32:36] <jmcnaught> osmo_SMS: when I try to add a custom
shortcut in GNOME it wants to know the shortcut, a name, and a
command to run. I don't see how you're telling it that F1
should mean ctrl+shift+c
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815[06:32:51] <jmcnaught> TyrfingMjolnir: "ls
/file/does/not/exist ; echo $?"
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816[06:32:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> 0
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817[06:33:02] <TyrfingMjolnir> oh
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818[06:33:04] <TyrfingMjolnir> That file
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821[06:33:20] <TyrfingMjolnir> 2
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822[06:33:25] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell TyrfingMjolnir about enter
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823[06:34:20] <osmo_SMS> jmcnaught, yes, I want for F1 = copy
and F2 = paste
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827[06:36:09] <Milo-> to answer my own question "bumblebee
hasn't had a single commit in 4 years, is there really no other
way?" yes, yes there is. PRIME. It's in the kernel already
for pete's sake.
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828[06:37:12] <Milo-> Thank you gentoo wiki for giving me the
answers that I needed.
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863[07:06:53] <Bouboutouh> Salut a tous je cherche le moyen de
outrepasser sudo, en effet j'ai un script qui lance 4 terminal
XTerm et comme c'est des commande qui font appel a sudo il me
le redemande 4 fois
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864[07:07:40] <jmcnaught> !fr
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865[07:07:40] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez
rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french,
please go to #debianfr.
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868[07:08:17] <jmcnaught> ou continuer ici en anglais ☺
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870[07:09:27] <Bouboutouh> Hi all I am looking for a way to
override sudo, indeed I have a script that launches 4 XTerm terminal
and as it is commands that sudo sudo it asks me 4 times...
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871[07:09:30] <Bouboutouh> merci
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874[07:11:59] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: you could make a new file
in /etc/sudoers.d/ with 'visudo -f …' and use a
NOPASSWD rule for your user for the commands that you want to run
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876[07:12:49] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: what are the commands?
maybe some of them don't really need sudo?
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877[07:12:58] <Bouboutouh> oh great idea
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878[07:13:14] <Bouboutouh> is cmd netstat tcpcump and co ^^
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879[07:13:35] <Bouboutouh> with dstat lsof and journalctl but
her no need sudo
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880[07:13:55] <Bouboutouh> juste netstat for the option -p and
tcpdump obligatory
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882[07:14:59] <Bouboutouh> Or i run all in root but i don't
think is good idea
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884[07:15:29] <Bouboutouh> i prefer sudo for sure no write in
directory
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885[07:15:55] <jmcnaught> running X11 programs as root is not a
good idea. gksu/gksudo is better than sudo for that. policykit is
even better.
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886[07:16:16] <Bouboutouh> don't use a graphique
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887[07:16:22] <Bouboutouh> all is in XTerm
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888[07:16:33] <jmcnaught> xterm is still an X11 application
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890[07:17:19] <Bouboutouh> ok when you say X11 say directX11 ?
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891[07:18:21] <jmcnaught> no I mean X Window aka X11 aka Xorg
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892[07:18:28] <Bouboutouh> ok great
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893[07:18:39] <Bouboutouh> i love XTerm so much
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894[07:19:31] <Bouboutouh> so gksudo for run xterm
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895[07:19:45] <Bouboutouh> and he dont ask for pwd in cmd sudo
also ?
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897[07:20:18] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: I don't think
it's a good idea. You should use sudo inside the shell running
inside xterm.
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899[07:21:22] <jmcnaught> What I was trying to say, is that it
is bad to use sudo to run X11 programs including xterm. gksudo is
better, but I would still prefer sudo inside like I described above.
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900[07:21:45] <Bouboutouh> lol
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902[07:22:30] <Bouboutouh> Why ! I use gnome term for run my
script, and after 4 windows Xterm open and say my pwd, but in gnome
before i have write
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903[07:22:47] <Bouboutouh> it's no possible to send flux
gnome at Xterm
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904[07:22:50] <Bouboutouh> sorry bad english
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907[07:23:48] <jmcnaught> You run a script in gnome-terminal,
and it opens 4 xterm windows?
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908[07:23:58] <Bouboutouh> yes
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911[07:24:26] <Bouboutouh> 1x for netstat 1x lftop 1x journalctl
1x dstat 1x tcpdump
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912[07:24:30] <Bouboutouh> 5 windows
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913[07:25:09] <Bouboutouh> but only 2 need sudo
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918[07:27:40] <Bouboutouh> And after i make the next with ps and
filter pid for lock
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919[07:27:41] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: have you tried looking for
a way to do this with GNU screen, all in one term?
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920[07:28:09] <Bouboutouh> I have think that like Xterminator ?
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921[07:28:39] <Bouboutouh> but i prefer use what where in ubuntu
default
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923[07:29:24] <jmcnaught> I use screen a lot, but my screen
sessions are always dynamic. I don't know how you would save a
session to disk, never tried that
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924[07:29:31] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: are you using Ubuntu?
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925[07:29:41] <Bouboutouh> yes
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927[07:30:12] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: you'll need to go to
#ubuntu to continue then. Only Debian is supported in this channel.
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930[07:30:38] <Bouboutouh> ok try this good day for you
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947[07:51:27] <Rico> hello
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948[07:51:36] <Rico> is it stille possible today to upgrade a
debian 6 to debian 7 ?
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950[07:53:01] <bolt> it always will be, i reckon
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951[07:53:18] <jmcnaught> Rico: yes it should still be possible.
You should follow the upgrade instructions in the Debian 7 release
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954[07:53:52] <Rico> thank you jmcnaught
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956[07:54:06] <jmcnaught> so once you upgrade to wheezy you
should strongly consider upgrading to jessie, and then ideally to
stretch
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958[07:55:14] <jmcnaught> s/strongly consider/plan for/
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965[08:03:11] <fireba11> Rico: though on a version that old i
would recommend setting up a new box and moving over so you got a
clean install again. not viable in all scenarious though
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966[08:03:41] <Rico> fireba11: I would prefer that too :)
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967[08:04:37] <Rico> jmcnaught: yeah... I will. I don't
understand why the guy who set up these hosts did not maintain it...
stupid
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968[08:05:03] <Rico> "install & forget" , nice!
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969[08:05:11] <Rico> *facepalm*
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977[08:13:26] <fireba11> Rico: my usual strategy is set up a new
vm/new box, install everything, build scripts with rsync commands
etc. to migrate, test everything and then move over in a relatively
shot downtime. that way you always got the old system to fall back
to
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978[08:13:55] <Rico> fireba11: I think I'll do a snapshot
:)
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991[08:23:32] <fsociety[00]dat> possible to something
identifiable for a single .deb file. I mean have can I sure it is a
Debian Pac. or Ubuntu Pac. or others.
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1005[08:35:00] <Rico> fsociety[00]dat: you're hard to
understand :)
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1006[08:35:10] <fsociety[00]dat> yep
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1007[08:35:14] <fsociety[00]dat> :)
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1008[08:35:24] <Rico> I guess you can try to install .deb on
debian or ubuntu
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1009[08:35:38] <Rico> if dependencies are missing, you will be
warned / packages will not be installed
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1011[08:36:15] <Rico> but ubuntu is based on debian, so...
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1013[08:36:31] <fsociety[00]dat> Rico, I have a package abc.deb ;
is is possible to see identical info for this.
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1014[08:36:43] <Rico> I don't know
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1015[08:36:46] <jmcnaught> just because they both use .deb does
not mean their packages are mutually compatible
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1016[08:36:50] <fsociety[00]dat> like signature or maintainer
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1017[08:37:21] <fsociety[00]dat> not think on only a linux system
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1018[08:37:33] <fsociety[00]dat> think for only package
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1023[08:40:32] <peterrooney> !based on debian
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1024[08:40:32] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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1043[08:48:35] <fsociety[00]dat> peterrooney, thanks for the
page; I will compare a distro with Debian 9 but per package in its
installation CD :)
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1044[08:48:48] <fsociety[00]dat> and wiki says: When .deb files
signed "...add new section(s) to the ar archive to store the
signature information..."
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1222[10:33:09] <Orbstheorem> Are there operating systems other
than GNU that are linux-compatible?
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1238[10:40:23] <greenbagels> So using the normal rxvt-unicode
package instead of rxvt-unicode-256color still causes $TERM to be
set to "rxvt-256color"
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1239[10:40:25] <greenbagels> isn't this a mistake
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1240[10:40:31] <zeitsofa> Orbstheorem: Android? but I think wrong
channel for a talk a about
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1241[10:40:44] <greenbagels> the normal package shouldn't
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1361[11:45:25] <mbrgm> hey! how can I find out how a specific
package is built for the debian repo? my specific problem is that
slapd in stretch is missing a specific module
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1363[11:45:49] <format_c> mbrgm: do you know apt-file?
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1364[11:46:55] <mbrgm> format_c: yup, I do. already searched for
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1387[11:57:14] <format_c> mbrgm: when I search for slapd I find
the package slapd
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1389[11:57:26] <format_c> so I'd assume you can do aptitude
slapd
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1390[11:57:31] <format_c> aptitude install slapd
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1391[11:57:36] <mbrgm> format_c: thats correct. now `apt-file
list slapd | grep lastmod'
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1392[11:58:05] <format_c> apt-file update && apt-file
search slapd
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1393[11:58:05] <mbrgm> as I said "slapd in stretch is
missing a specific module"
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1394[11:58:15] <format_c> Ah strech
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1395[11:58:43] <format_c> haven't yet upgraded
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1396[11:59:18] <mbrgm> format_c: lastmod is also missing in
jessie, so...
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1397[11:59:20] <mbrgm> thx
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1434[12:22:32] <LiquidS> hello world :)
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1437[12:24:49] <LiquidS> trying to revert my last apt-get update.
I already have a list with the previous versions of the updated
packages. I am trying to revert using apt-get install $(cat
rollback.txt) | tr '\n' ' ') but i get E:version
not found for all packages
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1438[12:25:29] <LiquidS> how can i make debian 'see'
the old versions of the updated packages, so I can reinstall them ?
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1439[12:25:42] <bolt> they may no longer be in your configured
repositories
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1442[12:26:18] <LiquidS> bolt, ok, so how would i go about
reinstalling them ?
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1449[12:28:53] <bolt> LiquidS: the better approach would perhaps
be to fix your problems. what exactly did you do?
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1450[12:29:06] <towo^work> apt-get update does not install any
package
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1451[12:29:38] * bolt was assuming there was an upgrade in there
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1452[12:30:42] <LiquidS> i updated an ejabberd server and it now
errors: call to an undefined crypo
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1453[12:30:47] <LiquidS> crypto*
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1454[12:31:13] <LiquidS> indeed, bolt, update && upgrade
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1455[12:32:30] <LiquidS> a dozen or so crypto packages are shown
in /var/log/apt/history.log
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1456[12:32:51] <LiquidS> so i would like to undo those upgrades
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1465[12:42:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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1474[12:44:33] <nvz> the folks are in #debian-offtopic we're
just persons here to answer questions
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1475[12:44:36] <nvz> !person
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1476[12:44:36] <dpkg> i guess person is like a bot, but squishier
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1479[12:45:46] <BluesKaj> nvz, all people are folks , including
the people here
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1481[12:46:31] <nvz> no, you're mistaken. folks do dances
and socialize.. we're only folks in #debian-offtopic, here
we're like bots but squishier
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1483[12:48:03] <BluesKaj> speak for yourself , but not others ,
sauishy or not :-)
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1485[12:48:27] <BluesKaj> squishy
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1488[12:49:54] <nvz> I'm fairly qualified to speak for
#debian on this matter, I've been here since it started. I was
trying to be more sociable in pointing repeatedly to the social
channel. Greetings and such in a high volume support channel are
problematic. Just so happens nobody is really active at the moment
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1490[12:52:17] <well_laid_lawn> I'm folk but I'm buff -
so I'm not so squishy
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1495[12:57:07] <barteks2x> I have a big problem now... after *yet
another* unfinished uptade attempt, X is crashing with bus error
when stating KDE
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1497[12:57:19] <BluesKaj> nvz, no one ever mentioned to me that
greeting a room was cluttering the text ... and bah to your silly
objection...pullinh rank doesn't cut it with me , because
I'm. probly much older than you if you want to play that game
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1498[12:57:34] <barteks2x> i3 seems to work, so that
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1499[12:57:38] <barteks2x> s what O'm using now
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1502[12:58:31] <babilen> BluesKaj, nvz: Let's drop this
please. I would very much appreciate it if people were to keep
greetings to #debian-offtopic unless they follow it up with a
legitimate question
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1503[12:58:32] <nvz> barteks2x: are you using unstable?
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1504[12:58:42] <barteks2x> I'm on stable
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1505[12:59:10] <well_laid_lawn> barteks2x: what do you mean by
"yet another* unfinished upgrade attempt"
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1506[12:59:14] <nvz> barteks2x: what do you mean by unfinished
update attempt?
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1507[12:59:22] <barteks2x> and it's unfinished because of
another problem, I thought it was just some power failure that
caused it last time: after the system is in suspend/sleep for some
hurs, it won't come bac up. No signla on the screen. Won't
even post after reset. The only thing that helps is disconnecting
the PSU for > a minyute and reconnecting it
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1508[12:59:32] <BluesKaj> barteks2x, are er pedantic yet?
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1509[13:00:00] <barteks2x> I was in the middle of update and put
it into sleep/suspend and the computer just didn't come back up
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1511[13:00:05] <BluesKaj> oops babilen^
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1515[13:01:21] <nvz> hmm, sleep and suspend are two different
things suspend actually writes ram to disk and powers the machine
off
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1516[13:01:45] <barteks2x> Isn't the one that writes to disk
called hibernation?
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1518[13:01:55] <well_laid_lawn> I was thinking that
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1519[13:01:59] <barteks2x> I'me seen sleep and suspend used
interchangably
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1523[13:02:26] <well_laid_lawn> write to disk is hibernation
afaik
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1526[13:02:44] <well_laid_lawn> and it borks the filesystem here
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1527[13:02:53] <well_laid_lawn> so I just suspend
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1528[13:03:06] <barteks2x> would it be safe to run emerge
--resume after that?
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1529[13:03:13] <stree> will emerge from interactions
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1534[13:05:00] <barteks2x> well, I will try that at least and see
what happens
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1537[13:05:05] <barteks2x> I dout it will make things worse
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1543[13:06:17] <barteks2x> fuck
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1544[13:06:26] <barteks2x> I was on the wrong channel all the
time
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1545[13:06:29] <barteks2x> stupid me
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1546[13:06:34] <barteks2x> I was supposed to be on #gentoo
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1548[13:06:45] <babilen> heh
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1551[13:06:53] <Ruebezahl> Nice to meet you!
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1553[13:06:58] <barteks2x> why noone was confused when I asked
about emerge?
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1555[13:07:12] <Ruebezahl> :)
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1576[13:13:04] <tw> they all just mix together these days, pacman
-S, apk add, apt-get install, emerge, pkg-add, yum/dnf install,
I'm sure I'm missing some too.
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1622[13:35:59] <patsToms> if I install package using deb file not
downloading it from repository
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1623[13:36:08] <patsToms> when I will use apt-get upgrade
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1624[13:36:37] <patsToms> will it upgrade that package if there
is newer in repository?
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1625[13:37:58] <jelly> patsToms, yes, if there's a package
with same name, and newer version
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1626[13:37:58] <jelly> in a configured repository
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1627[13:38:15] <fireba11> you can prevent that if that is
undesired of course
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1628[13:38:57] <patsToms> maybe you can give me a hint how to
configre that it will stick with version from manual install?
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1636[13:44:28] <tw> As I recall, apt-mark hold pkg. you can also
use pinning, but that's more "prefer repo over
others"
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1648[13:47:20] <debby> hi
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1650[13:47:29] <debby> So I got a bashrc script that invokes a
command for a variable
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1651[13:47:37] <debby> well, thing is that the command
doesn't like to be invoked twice
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1652[13:47:44] <debby> so how can I prevent this when a new
tmux/screen tab is opened?
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1655[13:48:12] <nvz> don't put it in bashrc?
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1659[13:48:38] <nvz> bashrc is run everytime bash starts,
bash_login is not
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1660[13:49:29] <nvz> another option is have the script check to
see if the process is started or have it make a socket or lock file
and check for that
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1662[13:50:43] <tw> lock file is what I was going to suggest.
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1664[13:50:59] <debby> nvz: so I need that script stuff for
setting some environment variables that are needed by other commands
that may be invoked by the user
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1666[13:52:03] <nvz> debby: yes well this is what bashrc is for,
to set up the environment, but not to run some program that
shouldn't be run twice
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1668[13:52:31] <wyoung> hai gang
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1670[13:53:23] <debby> nvz: hm, I further investigated and found
out that the particular program only fails when it is called from
within tmux
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1671[13:53:31] <debby> So I got WSL (bash on windows)
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1672[13:53:38] <debby> And I invoke an exe over it - it works
without tmux
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1674[13:53:51] <debby> but in tmux sub-terminal I get an error
when it is invoked
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1675[13:53:58] <debby> so tmux does something that the command
doesn't like
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1676[13:54:13] <DoctorD90> jjmcnaught petn-randall btw: thx you
for yesterday :D I changed localhost in whatIwant thx to u! I edited
/etc/hosts and I fixed all issue thx to your suggest to check hosts
file :D great ^^
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1679[13:54:51] <wyoung> hai!
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1680[13:55:36] <nvz> wyoung: stop doing that, if you don't
have a debian support question then go to ##chat or #debian-offtopic
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1681[13:55:57] <wyoung> nvz: oh
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1682[13:56:03] <stree> how oh wait, isnt it?
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1686[13:58:10] <sypher> debby: So you're working within
WSL's environment?
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1717[14:17:14] <mxcarron> Hello
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1718[14:17:46] <mxcarron> I "dd"'ed the debian
image a a usb key
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1719[14:18:09] <mxcarron> i end up with a weird partition table
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1720[14:18:35] <wyoung> oh
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1721[14:18:38] <nvz> it was probably more strange than weird
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1723[14:18:43] <wyoung> which debian image/
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1724[14:19:10] <wyoung> and did you checksum the image furst/.?
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1725[14:19:45] <wyoung> nvz: How does that help?
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1726[14:19:54] <sypher> Rather than guessing, please define
"weird" in this context.
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1727[14:20:05] <nvz> ^
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1728[14:20:06] <mxcarron>
replaced-url
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1729[14:20:27] <mxcarron> yep I checksumed the image, it's
ok
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1730[14:20:40] <mxcarron> is it normal to have this empty
partition?
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1731[14:20:44] <mxcarron> +s
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1732[14:20:48] <sypher> Yes.
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1733[14:21:06] <sypher> They're hybrid images. That is
normal.
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1734[14:21:11] <stree> a non hybrid format
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1736[14:22:37] <mxcarron> is there a trick to boot it on an IBM
x3550 ? (should I force legacy boot or something)
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1737[14:22:56] * mxcarron isn't really used to debian :(
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1738[14:23:17] <sypher> Should boot just fine via EFI if you have
it, or legacy boot if you don't.
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1739[14:23:19] <wyoung> stree: hybrid as in MBR and EFI?
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1740[14:23:23] <stree> have hybrid isos
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1749[14:26:26] <BrokerOne> Hello, how can add a nat line to
translate a public ip to a internal ip?
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1751[14:27:28] <jocacaca> hoola que passas?
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1752[14:27:47] <sypher> BrokerOne: Trying to translate that. Are
you using a Debian box as a router?
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1755[14:28:50] <wyoung> BrokerOne: NAT?
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1757[14:29:42] <BrokerOne> sypher debian is not a router. I have
a wildcard subdomain for example *hello.com. if i resolve in debian
replaced-url
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1758[14:30:17] <sypher> BrokerOne: Debian CAN be a router, hence
my question. What you just described is a DNS issue, not a NAT
issue.
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1759[14:30:29] <wyoung> BrokerOne: oh, so you want a DNS server?
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1760[14:30:33] <BrokerOne> yes I know sypher thank you
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1761[14:30:43] <BrokerOne> no i need to solve it only for a few
days so i dont need a dns server
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1762[14:30:48] <BrokerOne> neither split dns
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1763[14:30:53] <BrokerOne> only with nat rule
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1764[14:31:00] <BrokerOne> i know that can be done with nat rule
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1765[14:31:02] <debby> sypher: yes
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1766[14:31:18] <sypher> debby: This may be the wrong forum for
you, given that WSL is Ubuntu, and even then it's a very
modified Ubuntu.
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1769[14:31:32] <sypher> BrokerOne: You're saying NAT, but
your problem statement doesn't describe NAT at all.
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1771[14:31:48] <wyoung> BrokerOne: your problem statement screams
DNS
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1773[14:32:09] <sypher> NAT has nothing to do with hostname to IP
resolution.
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1774[14:32:23] <BrokerOne> yes i know sorry for my explanation
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1775[14:32:39] <BrokerOne> the domain always resolve same ip. so
i know the public ip and the private ip
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1776[14:32:52] <wyoung> right
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1777[14:33:01] <BrokerOne> and i want to tell debian that awhen
try to connect to public ip do it with the private one with a nat
rule
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1778[14:33:01] <mxcarron> BrokerOne: you can cheat by setting
replaced-url
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1780[14:33:15] <sypher> Wat.
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1781[14:33:32] <mxcarron> or just use /etc/hosts (if it's
only one domain, one server)
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1782[14:33:33] <sypher> BrokerOne: That's not how NAT works.
Stop assuming that NAT is the solution, because it isn't.
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1785[14:34:29] <mxcarron> you add "10.10.10.10
replaced-url
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1786[14:34:36] <sypher> BrokerOne: Add an entry to /etc/hosts to
force it to resolve to the private IP for that hostname, or set up
an internal DNS forwarder that will provide the private IP to
clients inside the private network.
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1788[14:34:54] <sypher> mxcarron: And that proxy idea is
horrible, so you know. :P
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1789[14:35:22] <mxcarron> :-D :-D but it would work :-D :-D
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1790[14:35:30] <sypher> mxcarron: That's not the point! :P
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1791[14:35:33] <BrokerOne> the problem is that the domain is a
wildcard. *.hello.com. there will be lots of different petitions.
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1792[14:35:37] <BrokerOne> but public ip is always same
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1795[14:36:06] <sypher> BrokerOne: NAT is -not- the solution.
Period. DNS is your answer. Also: DNS can handle wildcards. You will
need to set up an internal DNS server.
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1797[14:36:52] <BrokerOne> okay sypher thank you very much...
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1802[14:40:01] <hexhaxtron> Hi! I got about 150 users on my
system and I'd like to backup all their homes. I got a 6TiB
External HDD for that and I wanted to keep copies up to 7 days
before. What's the best way of doing this?
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1804[14:40:57] <sypher> hexhaxtron: Check out 'duply.'
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1807[14:41:24] <sypher> hexhaxtron: Can do all kinds of things,
and simplifies complex backup structures.
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1809[14:43:05] <tw> rsync with hardlink references is probably
the most straightforward on-disk format, but requires some
scripting.
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1810[14:43:10] <sypher> hexhaxtron: Could also just use rsync or
tar.
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1813[14:43:34] <sypher> duply can take care of most of it for
you. A lot more space efficient, too.
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1818[14:45:13] <hexhaxtron> sypher: how do I make the 7 days
thing with duply?
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1820[14:46:22] <sypher> hexhaxtron: It's heavily documented.
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1821[14:46:31] <sypher> hexhaxtron:
replaced-url
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1822[14:46:51] <sypher> hexhaxtron: Start there. Creating a
backup job creates a template config file that has extremely
detailed comments.
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1858[15:06:29] <al3xprey> I am trying to configure a fortware
RAID 1 during a debian 8 install, when I create an MD device, select
the partitions (which are created as partitions for MD device) and
select FINISH, there is no Raid Device 0
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1860[15:06:41] <al3xprey> or no raid anything
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1863[15:08:04] <al3xprey> how can I debug it
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1870[15:09:27] <ChrisH> al3xprey: check TTY4 from your text
installer to see what happened.
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1871[15:09:48] <al3xprey> so there are logged errors?
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1873[15:09:58] <ChrisH> should be
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1878[15:12:17] <al3xprey> thanks a lot i'll check it out in
a second
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1880[15:15:50] <mender27> Hello! I'm trying to install
Debian 9.1 from a DVD + firmware image onto a RAID-5 array + LVM in
a Fujitsu-Siemens Celsius R650 workstation. For whatever reason the
"Installing the base system" step is taking ages. Am I
doing something wrong? :(
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1885[15:17:17] <mender27> The drives are all SATA and the specs
of the R650 are: 4-core Intel Xeon 2.5+ GHzz, 3 GB RAM DDR2 ECC,
nVidia GeForce GTX 295
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1887[15:17:57] <ChrisH> mender27: I would switch to TTY2 or TTY3
and check using df -h if the filesystems are filling up. Is tis a
Real HW Raid or fakeraid or a Software Raid (mdadm)?
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1890[15:19:13] <mender27> ChrisH: it's software RAID via
mdadm, forgot to mention. However, I have a spare RAID controller,
which I could probably put in and the motherboard itself should have
one too.
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1891[15:20:14] <mender27> df -h tells me that only ~250 mb were
currently copied to "/target", which I'm assuming is
the mounted RAID. I'm at ~40% of the "Installing the base
system" step.
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1893[15:21:20] <mender27> Also, the array contains 4 x 500 GB
(from Seagate) with one of them acting as a spare parity drive.
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1897[15:23:22] <sypher> mender27: Bear in mind that mdadm will
immediately start to initialize the full array by calculating and
writing parity. Writing to the array at the same time also requires
calculating and writing parity. Performance will be pretty terrible.
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1901[15:24:46] <mender27> sypher: should I then opt for a 2x
RAID-1 set with 2 drives each?
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1902[15:25:10] <sypher> mender27: Or a 4-disk RAID10.
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1903[15:25:16] <sypher> mender27: Same effect, less complexity.
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1904[15:25:31] <sypher> mender27: You will lose half of the
array's available storage in either configuration.
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1905[15:26:00] <sypher> However, the RAID10 option will offer
significantly improved performance.
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1909[15:26:50] <jelly> mender27, is it a spare or is it parity?
Those two things mean different stuff
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1910[15:27:08] <mender27> jelly: it's a spare, sorry for the
confusion.
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1911[15:27:22] <mender27> sypher: right you are, true. I should
probably do that then...
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1912[15:27:31] <stree> it is true, but one backup their rom
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1917[15:29:04] <mender27> I'll go for a RAID-10 setup. This
anyhow achieves what I need. Thanks a lot for help :).
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1918[15:29:20] <sypher> mender27: Last question: What filesystem
are you going to be using?
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1919[15:29:32] <mender27> sypher: probably ext4.
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1921[15:29:47] <sypher> mender27: Cool.
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1922[15:30:20] <mender27> Though I admit it would be nice to use
ZFS as well, at least for storage :).
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1934[15:43:52] <transient> "..-get update"; "W:
GPG error: [...] KEYEXPIRED ".. repos being security.debian.org
& also build.openvpn (for reasons unbeknownst to me(sry; im a
n00b,uh..)).. anyway,considering I wouldn't mind it being the
NSA or whatever even, nor care much for the box... any quick 1-liner
any patient generous soul can throw out for me to get past this lil
hindrance and get to to it.. my packages are craving updatez i
reckon.. neway, thks
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1935[15:43:53] <transient> anyways for eventual help or input
anyway... l8rz !
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1936[15:44:00] <transient> jessie btw
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1937[15:44:44] <jelly> transient, pastebin the complete output of
"apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy", please
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1939[15:44:49] <jelly> !paste
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1940[15:44:49] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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1942[15:45:16] <transient> ah.. ok then, since you ask ! ...w8 up
! ..
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1948[15:48:16] <ChrisH> mender27: did you check /proc/mdstat
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1949[15:48:22] <transient>
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1951[15:48:50] <transient> (..if not up.....sec , its demanding
captcha... everywhere does these days it seems.. hhhhh...gonna solve
it... say if u see it tho then fkem
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1962[15:50:24] <transient> I'm seriously considering
blocking a very wide, as much as possible, of all ip-ranges owned by
Google and their affiliates.... ive grown to hate their captchas so
much by now..... every so often "check all pictures with a car
in"... and each pic slowly fade out.... waiting for new time
and time again, eventually solve it... and similar happens once
more, a time or few.. too often would i be better off searching
elsewhere evn. damn
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1963[15:50:24] <transient> Google !
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1964[15:50:56] <mender27> ChrisH: no, I haven't. I'm
redoing the install onto RAID-10. We'll see whether the same
issues.
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1966[15:51:00] <transient> Google is the devil..! (I've more
reasons to hold a grudge against em tho,tbh.. neway fkem!!)
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1971[15:53:25] <transient> u some times hear , especcialy once
with monetary gain in the wide public perception of , how many
countries have "strict data retention policies"..
"only storing traffic logs for bililng purposes; deleted after
2 weeks"..yknow while it may be true, its still stored in
numerous other nodes in-between and carefully archived,
apparently... them "privacy-minded" policies means nothing
and their claims are deceptive lies , at best
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1972[15:53:25] <transient> ignorant fools.. pfew. (..ive found
out some unpleasant way mor eor less recently... fkem all!)
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1973[15:53:29] <transient> sry offtopic btw... kinda.
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1974[15:54:16] <darko> fuck the five eyes government
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1975[15:54:45] <darko> *governments
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1976[15:55:26] <transient> i could build a fort, fill up a
sizable room even, just by the stacks of folders i had presented by
my appointed lawyer , google-searches so many years back i couldnt
rememebr most of them, not to mention the mails.. who knows what
else they had.. sooo much paper, no wonder Brazilian deforestation
seems unstoppable and all... shiit. (minor drug offence btw;
semi-related to the interwebs (personal use only mind you))
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1979[15:56:25] <darko> I live in a Faraday cage already.
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1980[15:56:52] <transient> yeh... fk the govts. . . and most
anyway. best aprecciate good times with the Right Nows - while they
last.. worries are for tomorrow.. and come to terms with the
underestimated value in the phrase ignorance is bliss.. -imo anyway-
does hold much worthy consideration indeed
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1981[15:57:10] <mender27> ChrisH: RAID-10 changed nothing. The
installation still takes a hell of a long time during
"Installing the base system".
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1983[15:57:14] <BluesKaj> so nvz ...no reaction to this
externsive offtopic tirade?
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1984[15:57:37] <transient> Faraday cage, yeah considering that
solar flare is way over-due and assuming itd be comparable ifnot
worse to the previous event, at the time barely any electrical
stuffz around.... maybe not such a crazy thing.
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1986[15:58:01] <transient> sorry, chats all urs again BluesKaj,
I'mma shuddup I guess.. go ahead. Sorry.
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1990[15:58:54] <transient> *tumbleweed*
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1991[15:58:58] <mender27> ChrisH: /proc/mdstat shows that the
array is being resynced. Could this contribute to a sluggish
installation?
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1994[16:00:52] <BluesKaj> transient, I'm reacting because I
got critized just for saying hello earler today , and
now......nothing
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1996[16:01:17] <transient> oh. well, I guess its my naturally
pleasant demeanor, or something.
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1997[16:01:31] <transient> ..uh, concerning my inquiry here
shortly following my entry initially..not long ago... the exired key
and how apt-get update keeps whining .. any work-around; dirty or
otherwise.. or should I try get rough (im a n00b.. ifk things up
irrecoverably easily.. and often manage to accept the fact
even..fkit!)... any suggestions..?
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2002[16:02:44] <darko> fuck repos. compile your own binaries.
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2003[16:02:51] <darko> and make install.
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2006[16:03:12] <transient> assuming its choked and updates held
back otherwise.... i feel asif im losing breath... ever-increasing
barrage of vulnerable exploitable remote-root bugs of all sorts
makin its very public appearance thru my more or less open ports or
whatnot if any important fixes im missin out on
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2007[16:03:58] <transient> actually, im not too far from - i
think- what I understood by that there you just said...... Ive more
than once tried (usualyl end up fkin it somehow, impatient either
reinstall or try some other distro--) go for a BSD soon , actually.
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2008[16:04:19] <darko> install a firewall transient and monitor
your traffic
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2009[16:04:30] <darko> Debian for life.
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2010[16:04:41] <darko> It's pretty awesome.
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2011[16:04:47] <transient> besides the fact I eventually do hope
and expect to have more control of things, nor rely on trust in some
unknown packagers (if theyd be as much in control down the whole way
of delivery of the pkgs anyway..)
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2012[16:05:05] <transient> yeah, its what I choose pretty much
every time all around normally.. so far.. for most servers n stuff
anyway..
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2013[16:05:27] <darko> :D
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2018[16:06:28] <transient> ...tho, quite sure its just coz I got
as used to it thks to distros I found interesting at times (most
known example being the off-shoot "Kali linux";
security-oriented Deb.-based distro)-- many others, similar , are
Deb based as well... and havent really been onto centos, ubuntu or
those other weird distros lately at all
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2019[16:07:30] <darko> I've heard nice things about centos
though
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2022[16:08:40] <transient> ..ive tried hoppin onto centos at
times, but..... that yum.. it seems less refined, not just
restricted and somewhat lacking, not very user-friendly and possibly
more prone to fkups? could just be my noob-ness playing in tho.. if
its too..uh, "so much is weird/wrong" and a "kernel
panic" or whatever stops boot... id typically either try data
recovery if felt required-right away, othrewise just push out that
dam cd-holder in hopes the
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2023[16:08:40] <transient> cd isnt too scratched to survive
another install at the time, and do frmo scratch...
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2024[16:09:25] <transient> so many times ive done that all, not
really ever had petience to read as much of the man-pages as I kinda
know I should (..hear that alot,at times anyway.. mayb im somewhat
lazy too, i dno), anyway.... still much to learn apparently.
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2025[16:09:38] <darko> honestly you should not rely on
repositories.
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2027[16:09:53] <darko> apt or yum or pacman
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2028[16:09:57] <darko> whatever
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2031[16:10:15] <darko> learn to compile and make install.
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2032[16:10:32] <darko> it'd be really helpful.
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2034[16:10:46] <transient> main thing keepin me off the bsds atm
is figuring optimal setup of the partionining scheme, with an ssd
and a magnetic disk.. ofc. i wouldn't want it without FDE
either, or risk some "random" (auto) setup of it
either..ugh. seems much hassle, and lot to learn.. (the manuals are
like books..... i imagine snow and christmas decorations b4 id
complete it all :|
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2035[16:10:49] <transient> that sounds nice..
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2036[16:10:58] <transient> well, i do know, like.. "gcc
asd.c -o asd" ..
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2037[16:11:22] <Mattx> Hi all! When creating a ram-based disk,
does it make any sense to use other file system than tmpfs (for
instance, ext4)?
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2038[16:11:32] <transient> yknow, exploit-db.com n such.. enough
times and its memorized. but normally wouldnt find motivation to
work with things like that, sadly :/
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2040[16:12:06] <Mattx> for instance, is this a good idea? mount
-t tmpfs -o size=1G ext4 /media/ram (notice the use of ext4)
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2041[16:12:17] <transient> admittedly skiddie-teachings, that, i
meant. sorry if my english sux btw:s .. i's be an outlander
(yurop^)
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2045[16:13:50] <transient> why would that matter.. what is the
general FS ifnot ext4 then; what makes you think there'd be any
conflict (?)..?
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2047[16:14:37] <Mattx> transient, don't know what fs is used
if not ext4. but it seems there's one called "tmpfs"
(probably designed for tmpfs disks?)
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2048[16:14:42] <AMartin> Hi, I'm trying to boot and debian
live from iso stored on a hard drive (with LXDE) to test something.
However, it always boots into installer. I tried in Grub2 set
different parameters, but always installer pops up. Anyone any clue
or option that might work (boot into LXDE)?
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2049[16:14:59] <transient> fdisk -list, or something? gparted?
should be some basic cmd tools to easily find, i think..cant check?
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2050[16:15:02] <Mattx> transient, this works as well, that's
why I'm asking: mount -t tmpfs -o size=1G tmpfs /media/ram
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2052[16:15:29] <transient> oh...."tmpfs".. no idea what
thats about.. but seems interesting I think..hmh.
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2054[16:15:50] <bolt> it's transient :P
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2055[16:15:56] <Mattx> yeah, it's called tmpfs, so I find it
weird I could use ext4 on a tmpfs disk :P
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2057[16:16:35] <crazyb0y> AMartin: be sure it's a live cd
iso =)
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2058[16:16:42] <transient> not sure if correct at all; mayeb
I've misunderstood somehow, or something.... but personally
would generally try stick to ext2 unless seeing major downsides...
journaling for example..things potentially compromising integrity;
more likely enabling forensic recovery of data for example.. dont
like it !
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2059[16:17:00] <AMartin> crazyb0y: good point, double checked on
that ;)
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2061[16:18:31] <Mattx> btw, I just noticed there's a
/run/user/1000 tmpfs already on my system. do you know anything
about it?
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2062[16:18:34] <transient> not 3/4 anyway... also, afaik, not
just Ubuntu (some... advertised "easy to use",
"windows-like" even) I managed to screw up with numerous
errors and seemed reinstall only solution (prly wasnt, but ..seemed
endless, i had screwed it badly), trying to turn off features that
apparently is quite similar to that which theey've in Windows,
a sorta perpetual indexing/searching feature constantly going over
them dataz.. for sake of faster
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2063[16:18:34] <transient> search? yikes..nothxx...:S
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2066[16:19:25] <transient> cant remmber its name.. it had some
linux-wide name apparently (used by several distros..). Distros Ill
be avoiding thats for sure.
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2075[16:23:24] <ChrisH> mender27: A RAID in initial sync will
slow down a lot... RAID5 even more than Raid1
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2081[16:24:18] <mender27> ChrisH: So it seems. The installation
picked up base now. Thanks for clearing that up :).
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2083[16:25:08] <Akuw> i am trying to clone a linux partition
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2084[16:25:13] <Akuw> what options i have?
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2086[16:25:23] <Akuw> so i can run in another computer
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2090[16:25:53] <transient> exfat or something mayb?
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2092[16:26:13] <transient> ..wasnt there one easily read by
both..(assuming ur lowering urself to run it on Windoze as that
other ..hmh?)
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2096[16:27:00] <Adam-M> Did anyone here ever try to use Debian on
a 2017 MacBook Pro (with Touch Bar)
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2097[16:27:01] <Akuw> i have one computer, so i want to clone and
copy to another pc
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2098[16:27:05] <transient> otherwise there are tools for win that
can unlock luks containers too now, ... encfs, cryfs..can't
remember.. anyway, device or file otherwise unrecognized.. get it
out thru such tools
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2101[16:27:21] <transient> and/or cygwin for similar uses, also
has filesystem management tools i ..think...
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2102[16:27:28] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me configure
RoundCube step by step?
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2104[16:27:51] <transient> May be, hexhaxtron. Can you elaborate
on what your request for assistance concerns?
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2105[16:28:07] <hexhaxtron> transient: I've tried 3
tutorials and I can't make it work...
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2107[16:28:29] <transient> they were bad. or u didnt pay
attention, or need to read them a three-ten more times.
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2108[16:29:25] <transient> what tutorials btw.... whats the
issue. wheres the problem, what error when where what how ,
what've u tried, or haven't.. etc.. such details might
enable more to without as much issue be able to provide you better
answers, possibly.
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2112[16:30:55] <transient> "step by step".. may I ask
if you've exhausted the basic typical resources for comparable
infoz ... such as
Googling,like..."roundcube"+(tutorial|guide), or maybe
even acecpt defeat and try have a glimpse over on their manual. hmm
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2114[16:31:19] <BluesKaj> gawd
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2120[16:32:01] <mender27> BluesKaj: my words exactly :D.
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2123[16:33:03] <transient> assuming youre some high-level
criminal figure and threat to society, terrorist or whatever theyd
call it anyway, withholding that info as much.. any other tid bits
of info you could share regarding the point at which u're
stuck, have issues..or any hints to what that issue could be.. even
a subtle semi-related thing to enable ppl more understanding.. could
yield more responses
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2124[16:33:19] <BluesKaj> mender27, hope the drug wears off soon
:-)
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2125[16:33:50] <transient> just sayin.. "it doesnt work,
what did i do wrong?" kinda inquiries seems unfrtunately hard
to reply satisfactory to, and bad for both parties possibly.
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2127[16:34:12] <transient> ..think too many neglect gewgle
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2128[16:34:17] <mender27> BluesKaj: you think it's drugs?
What if it's sheer enthusiasm? :D
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2129[16:34:44] <transient> ;)
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2131[16:34:56] <BluesKaj> adrenalin is a drug
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2132[16:35:55] <transient>
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2133[16:36:19] <mender27> transient: about BSDs. I know it's
exactly a popular topic here, but I see how you would enjoy OpenBSD.
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2135[16:36:40] <transient> what, why , how''s that..
why u think so? hm..
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2137[16:37:40] <transient> related to what ive previously been
saying, or .. ifnot i might b bit confsed.. (possibly bit ..
slow/dumb atm , hmmmm
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2139[16:38:30] <mender27> transient: related to being
security-conscience.
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2142[16:39:17] <transient> i like the unusual FDE on FreeBSD.. if
nothing else; assuming (presumed) reasonable solid.. the mere rarity
of it may be a very good thing.. esp if anyway coupling with the
normal sorta encryption for containers n such too.. complicating
things yknow
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2145[16:40:09] <transient> oh.. yeh.. crazy thugs from the govt.
makni me paranoid lately.. goin so madly crazy and exaggerating for
tiny things...... scares me quite a bit...
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2148[16:41:32] <sypher> transient: Why would 'rarity'
be a good quality in an encryption solution?
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2149[16:41:34] <transient> and,while aware there is eventually no
total escape from it all, just more or less,or the notion (and
likely assurance of,for good time to come anyway) gettin
increasingly wary of the power of simple osint and related analysis
& processing....
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2154[16:42:03] <transient> because its not such a huge
"jackpot" for so many groups to be able to crack, is less
valuable besides to those who are eager to get into those few ones
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2157[16:43:15] <transient> the major kinds are prolly heavily
audited..that being a good thing by itself - some times, assumign it
holds up.... not that anythign ever did for too long, or anywhere
near as predicted,buuut - .. less attention, less knowledge of..
less chance ppl can leech of someone elses work breaking it..
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2158[16:43:42] <transient> assuming it actually is solid yet
still so little used.. a few extra layers of security added to that
and be pretty nice..!
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2159[16:43:59] <Akuw> is possible to clone linxu and run in a
difernt pc?
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2160[16:44:17] <mender27> transient: remember about the unknown
knowns. Some OS's are not audited to the same degree, but that
doesn't mean they don't security flaws.
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2161[16:44:47] <transient> imo.. what ive bn thinkin so far
anyway .. besides these "main" , popular ways of securing
data and trusting its integrity thru the times..... are
custom/creative solutions in-between... unexpected things..nothing
too big/resource-demanding neccessarily..
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2162[16:44:59] <transient> yeah..
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2167[16:46:44] <transient> but unless they are... it's quite
a step to set a group of researchers on a mission to audit someting
like that for a specific purpose ... I'm not THAT bad,heh. (not
that the publication of a successful audit would likely be made
clear to the public anyway but... (parallell construction and these
questionable legal terms they like hiding behind to keep their 0day
baggie as filled for aslong as they can yknow
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2175[16:50:20] <jelly> Akuw, yes. There are some things to take
care of, but in general this works well. My system at home has lived
thru about 6 hardware setups and similar number of OS releases
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2177[16:50:51] <Akuw> jelly: do you have any docs about that?
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2178[16:51:02] <jelly> not really
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2179[16:51:03] <transient> Akuw yes even simply make it a virtual
disk and load onto vmware/vbox i think..
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2180[16:51:13] <transient> pretty sure aint't a big deal...
just cant remember details atm..
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2181[16:51:17] <transient> same other way aroud too afaik...
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2183[16:51:47] <transient> check out disk imaging software
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2184[16:51:54] <transient> forensic disk imaging
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2185[16:52:00] <johnkeates> use a camera
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2186[16:52:01] <Akuw> i will test clonezilla
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2187[16:52:05] <johnkeates> takes excellent images
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2191[16:52:19] <transient> that may work, i think..heard nice of
it, possibly even withsuch a feature even... i thiink.. nice
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2194[16:53:28] <jelly> Akuw, roughly, the steps would be: either
put disks into a new machine, or format and safely copy all the
files; fix fstab; fix boot loader; regenerate initramfs; fix
/etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules; if the old system is still
on the network, change its IP and/or host.
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2201[16:53:56] <jelly> or disconnect it.
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2206[16:55:39] <jelly> also, firmware if some drivers for the new
hardware need it. If it's a desktop or a laptop, graphic
drivers might need taken care of.
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2209[16:56:17] <jelly> but if you chose the hardware that works
well with Linux and free drivers, then you don't need those
steps
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on one that doesn't have a <Go Back> option?
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2267[17:13:10] <Trel> b-04: did you install a dns caching daemon?
If not, I don't believe it caches. It may be cached upstream.
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2272[17:14:13] <b-04> Trel: i have a squid, and i change the
/etc/resolv.conf so the changes not reply
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2273[17:14:24] <b-04> sorry /etc/hosts
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2276[17:16:32] <b-04> Trel: i solved. i used service squid3
reload, and dns cache flush
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2277[17:16:34] <b-04> :)
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2282[17:18:06] <domovoy> setting up some dev environment using
kvm, dnsmasq, resolvconf... dnsmasq gives and resolves domains in
"virt.example.com", transfer the rest to upstream
nameserver. i'd like to resolve domains this way: from host
-> "*": normal resolution, "*.virt":
"*.virt.example.com". From guests i want to add
"*.example.com":
"*.example.com.virt.example.com". Virtual network is on
bridge "virt0". Any idea on how to get that?
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2283[17:18:19] <dokma> I need to install
cnijfilter-mx320series:i386 from Canon but it depends on
libgtk2.0-0:i386 which conflicts with the amd64 version. Is there
any way to resolve the conflict?
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2284[17:19:48] <dokma> Is it possible to install the i386 variant
of the lib somewhere on the side where cnijfilter can use it but so
that it does not conflict with amd64 variant?
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2333[17:43:52] <BlackFerdyPT> I have what appears to be a weird
error(?) message that now appears in my boot:
replaced-url
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2336[17:44:13] <BlackFerdyPT> (hi everyone)
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2339[17:45:31] <jordanm> BlackFerdyPT: that's just part of
the output of fsck, not an error
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2340[17:45:54] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, but it didn't appear
in my last Debian install, yesterday...
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2341[17:45:57] <jordanm> BlackFerdyPT: although it is unusual to
see that every boot, as fscks shouldn't happen that often
unless there is a problem with the disk and/or filesystem
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2346[17:47:26] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, might it have been because
I deleted a bunch of configuration files in my /home partition,
after a first log in?
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2347[17:47:54] <greycat> Hard to imagine anything you do in /home
would affect whether the OS decides to run an fsck.
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2348[17:48:12] <greycat> Usually it decides based on the number
of mounts and the total elapsed time since the last fsck.
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2349[17:48:18] <jordanm> BlackFerdyPT: shouldn't cause it.
by default it's every 30 boots or if the filesystem is not
marked as being in a "clean" state (eg shutdown via power
loss)
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2351[17:48:24] <greycat> More likely, there is a clock issue of
some kind, so it thinks a long time has elapsed.
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2359[17:50:53] <BlackFerdyPT> Well, it now appears in every boot.
But, indeed I had to power off (by hand) my computer, when testing
another distro before this debian install... Is there any way to
"clean" my partition, so that the message goes away?
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2360[17:51:26] <greycat> That's what fsck does. Checks for
corruption, then marks it as clean.
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2363[17:53:09] <greycat> Try running "journalctl"
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2365[17:53:21] <greycat> Try running "journalctl" as
root, and look for "fsck" in the output, and see what
actually happened and why.
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2366[17:53:32] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, ok. I'll try it
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2367[17:53:47] <greycat> On a normal-ish system you might see
something like Jul 24 08:10:19 wooledg systemd-fsck[402]: /dev/sda3:
clean, 341/183264 files, 4
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2371[17:56:53] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, yes. that's what it
shows. that my /home partition is clean ("Aug 04 16:18:24
desktop systemd-fsck[337]: /dev/sda3: clean, 66181/23699456 files,
88484664/94793741 blocks")
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2375[17:57:45] <greycat> Read the other lines before and after
that, see if anything looks weird.
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2376[17:57:48] <BlackFerdyPT> I have seen this message in boot in
previous installs, but what I don't understand is why
didn't it show on my previous debian install, but now on this
one...
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2377[17:58:03] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, ok
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2385[18:01:59] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, didn't see anything
that looked weird (although, I don't understand much of what
I'm reading)...
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2393[18:03:32] <BlackFerdyPT> jee... it's just that,
I'm trying to make a "silent boot" on my computer,
and that irritating "red block", with a copyright(?)
symbol, is the only thing that still shows up - and it didn't,
yesterday, on my last debian install - when I used the
"fastboot" instruction on GRUB
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2394[18:03:33] <Trel> When using the textmode installer, how do
you stop and get back to the menu to go back a step if you're
on one that doesn't have a <Go Back> option?
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2406[18:07:11] <BlackFerdyPT> alternatively, is there a way to
disable the file system check on boot?
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2408[18:08:16] <BlackFerdyPT> Trel, try hiting the
"Esc" key
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2409[18:08:42] <BlackFerdyPT> Trel, it should show you a list of
install steps, that you can go back to
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2415[18:10:21] <Trel> Escape worked, thanks
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2416[18:10:26] <Trel> That's what I was looking for
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2418[18:10:50] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, well, at least I know
it's not something wrong with my partition. I'll look on
the Internet, then, for solutions to what I'm trying to
accomplish
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2419[18:11:01] <BlackFerdyPT> Trel, nice
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2421[18:11:18] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, thank you very much for
your help and explanations
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2423[18:11:45] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, thank you very much for
your help and explanations
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2428[18:14:10] <jordanm> BlackFerdyPT: to not fsck, change the
last column in /etc/fstab for the drive to "0" (not
recommended)
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2431[18:14:41] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, I've tried that
before, and didn't work. but, I'll try again. thanks
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2435[18:15:55] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, I'll make a reboot,
and I'll get back here, in case anything changes
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2437[18:16:11] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, thanks again for all your
help and your tips
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2438[18:16:19] <jordanm> np
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2439[18:16:28] <BlackFerdyPT> bye everyone
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2467[18:30:11] <dokma> I need to install
cnijfilter-mx320series:i386 from Canon but it depends on
libgtk2.0-0:i386 which conflicts with the amd64 version. Is there
any way to resolve the conflict?
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2468[18:30:15] <dokma> Is it possible to install the i386 variant
of the lib somewhere on the side where cnijfilter can use it but so
that it does not conflict with amd64 variant?
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2470[18:30:45] <jhutchins_wk> !multiarch
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2471[18:30:45] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign
architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be
installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386
&& apt-get update». See
replaced-url
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2472[18:31:08] <dokma> jhutchins_wk: I alredy have i386 packages
installed.
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2473[18:31:21] <dokma> The problem is that i386 is in conflict
with the amd64 variant of the package...
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2475[18:31:30] <dokma> I am trying to have both installed.
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2477[18:33:09] <petn-randall> dokma: When they conflict,
there's no way to install both.
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2479[18:33:38] <petn-randall> dokma: Rather than trying to solve
that, tell us why you would want to install both at the same time.
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2480[18:33:41] <petn-randall> !xy problem
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2481[18:33:42] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
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2482[18:33:43] <dokma> petn-randall: that's weird because I
already had that package installed on jessie for years and had no
problems.
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2484[18:33:48] <stree> humanity are xy and females
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2486[18:34:31] <dokma> petn-randall: I need to install
cnijfilter-mx320series:i386 which depends on a bunch of i386 libs
which, in turn, conflict with their amd64 counterparts.
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2488[18:35:12] <greycat> stree: please leave, or disable your
public random output
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2489[18:35:14] <dokma> The biggest conundrum is that I had
cnijfilter-mx320series installed already and it worked fine until
stretch went stable and my system tried to autoupdate"
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2490[18:35:21] <stree> i disable on disk doesnt necessarily
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2494[18:36:04] <petn-randall> greycat: I'm convinced that
it's a bot, anyway.
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2495[18:36:10] <greycat> I am 100% certain it is.
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2496[18:36:32] <dokma> it won't be missed ...
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2498[18:36:43] <dokma> But I miss the ability to print on my CUPS
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2500[18:37:36] <petn-randall> dokma: I can't find such
package in Debian. Is there's a typo somewhere in the name?
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2504[18:38:07] <dokma> petn-randall: cnijfilter-mx320series is
made by Canon
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2505[18:38:11] <dokma> it's not in the repos
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2506[18:38:59] <petn-randall> dokma: I guess you have to ask
Canon why they made it that way. No way for use to know why.
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2507[18:39:03] <dokma> there are two packages cnijfilter-common
and cnijfilter-mx320series
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2510[18:39:45] <alekz> Hi there! I'm not sure if I should be
asking this here or in wireshakr's channel. I'm working on
a script that will install wireshark package via apt, but is there a
way to say it to automatically choose the wireshark's option
'Yes' for allow non root users to capture packages that is
prompted during the install process? Thanks!
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2512[18:41:10] <greycat> dokma: in stretch, when I attempt
"sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386" on an amd64 box,
it looks like it would work, if I actually wanted 72 new packages
installed
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2520[18:45:11] <dokma> greycat: I'm on jessie.
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2521[18:45:30] <dokma> greycat: is it possible you don't
have the amd64 version installed?
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2523[18:45:55] <greycat> I do have the amd64 version installed. I
didn't test on jessie though.
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2524[18:46:20] <dokma> which version is you libgtk2.0-0 amd64 ??
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2525[18:46:26] <dokma> which version is your libgtk2.0-0 amd64 ??
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2527[18:47:09] <greycat> 2.24.31-2
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2528[18:47:27] <dokma> how about the i386 version?
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2529[18:47:42] <greycat> 0 upgraded, 72 newly installed, 0 to
remove and 1 not upgraded.
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2530[18:47:55] <greycat> Need to get 19.6 MB of archives.
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2531[18:48:00] <greycat> After this operation, 49.8 MB of
additional disk space will be used.
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2532[18:48:06] <greycat> So, I said no.
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2535[18:48:49] <dokma> hmmm... now I see that the i386 breaks
only the amd64 version that is different than the i386 version
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2536[18:48:54] <dokma> we're getting somewhere...
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2537[18:49:31] <jhutchins_wk> jessie is 2.24.25-3+deb8u2
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2541[18:51:50] <dokma> I think I managed to resolve it!
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2542[18:52:00] <dokma> aptitude was really helpful
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2543[18:52:19] <dokma> greycat: your tip pulled me through
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2547[18:54:41] <leibniz> nnnyytntnnnnnn
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2548[18:54:58] <leibniz> hey
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2549[18:55:14] <leibniz> i need help compiling weechat1.9 on
stretch
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2555[18:57:45] <leibniz> can someone help
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2557[18:58:22] <rozie> leibniz: why do you compile?
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2558[18:58:29] <greycat> !checkbackport weechat
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2560[18:58:34] <greycat> ,checkbackport weechat
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2561[18:58:35] <judd> Backporting package weechat in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch.
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2563[18:58:54] <greycat> What problem did you run into,
backporting the sid deb-src of weechat to stretch?
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2565[18:59:24] <leibniz> it says i have to use something other
than cmake
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2566[18:59:30] <greycat> !simple sid backport
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2567[18:59:30] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2568[18:59:40] <rozie> :-)
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2570[19:00:01] <greycat> I doubt anyone here's going to try
to help you with an *upstream* build, if that's what you were
doing, given that sid/buster have 1.9 and judd thinks a backport
will work.
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2571[19:00:23] <greycat> And cmake can go die in a fire.
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2573[19:01:05] <leibniz> how do you do this backport deal?
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2574[19:01:10] <leibniz> show me the man?
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2575[19:01:12] <greycat> LIke the bot said.
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2577[19:01:33] <leibniz> ok
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2578[19:01:36] <leibniz> i will try thar
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2579[19:02:24] <transient> more ppl should compile! ..or else
everything is backdoored some time soon :d
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2583[19:03:09] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2587[19:04:40] <transient> I raelly, really hope that once I
learn more about how all this really works and all I'll feeel
Ive more reason to chill and worry less about those things..
Hopefully it's just paranoia, and due to lack of knowledge on
my side.. I hope. =]
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2591[19:06:32] <majest1c> I want a contact form with php to work,
I installed sendmail but it doesnt seem to forward the message to
the mail. This is an output from a test:
replaced-url
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2601[19:11:12] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: No such pastebin. Please
use paste.debian.net in the future. You not only have to install
your mailer, you need to configure it.
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2602[19:11:27] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: sendmail is not the
default mailer for Debian.
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2603[19:11:42] <majest1c> jhutchins_wk Whats the default mailer?
And how would I configure it easily?
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2606[19:12:18] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: It's either postfix
or exim4, not sure which, but it can be configured with
dpkg-reconfigure.
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2609[19:12:39] <majest1c> jhutchins_wk would you recommend it
over sendmail?
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2610[19:12:44] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: It's generally not a
good idea to set up a mailer unless you have read the documentation
on how to set it up.
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2615[19:13:22] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: Sendmail's
configuration is a little more difficult to understand than the
other two.
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2616[19:13:25] <majest1c> jhutchins_wk Why? If I dont have a
mailer the contact form wont work and would be useless
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2620[19:13:34] <greycat> Step 1 is configuring the MTA (Debian
uses exim by default). Step 2 is installing whatever package it is
that lets PHP send mail.
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2621[19:13:57] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: I didn't say it
wasn't a good idea, I said it wasn't a good idea until you
have read the docs.
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2623[19:14:23] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: still exim, thx.
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2624[19:14:26] <transient> or ini_set("smtp",
"custom.one.here"); --- not accurately liekyl, but think
some override like that possibly
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2627[19:15:31] <transient> u dont really need a package, u can
literally send commands to smtp server manually by hand thru telnet;
u should try it once just cos its initerestnig actually! try google
like "send mail"+"telnet"+"smtp"
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2630[19:15:46] <transient> or plan-text protocol basically
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2632[19:16:11] <greycat> That's still not how you should
write software, though.
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2633[19:16:27] <greycat> ,info php-mail
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2634[19:16:28] <judd> Package php-mail (php, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Class that provides multiple interfaces for sending
emails. Version: 1.3.0-1; Size: 24.7k; Installed: 125k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2637[19:16:54] <alekz> greycat: will apt get apt-get options? I
just started ussing apt after upgrading to Stretch
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2639[19:17:21] <greycat> apt uses some but not all of the apt-get
options. If you're writing a script, you are better off using
apt-get. Not apt. The man page even says so.
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2640[19:17:23] <apt> greycat: I think you lost me on that one
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2645[19:18:35] <Penta> Greetings. I was downloading a file with
wget and the connection got lost at 93%. How can I make the download
continue?
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2650[19:19:32] <greycat> wget --continue
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2651[19:20:13] <Penta> greycat should I abort the current process
first?
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2652[19:20:15] <alekz> thanks, I'll got with apt-get, then
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2654[19:20:33] <greycat> Penta: probably
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2662[19:23:57] <Penta> greycat seems to work, thanks!
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2668[19:25:39] <transient> ha, as few such things i know, that is
one i (think)....and actually often would put in .bashrc: alias
wget='wget -c'
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2669[19:26:20] <transient> ..something like that.. cant remember
where i first saw, but having read what it did once , sounded
sensible and think ive kept it ..well,buncha places every since
tleast,presumably helping cover up some potential isues
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2670[19:26:35] <greycat> I don't know whether that's
safe. You could ask #wget.
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2671[19:26:52] <transient> oh. there's a #wget !? wow..
cool.. :)
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2672[19:27:09] <transient> ow, not regd.. imma join later then..
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2676[19:28:09] <transient> While taht works, pretty sure
I've tried repeatedly some kinda similar thing..like: alias
'asrch'='apt-cache search '
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2678[19:28:38] <greycat> That's not controversial at all.
You're not changing the default operations of a command.
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2680[19:28:43] <transient> ...but, uh iiirc it would sun that
'apt-cache search' seperately, so if I do 'asrch
SomeThing' that wouldnt work
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2682[19:29:01] <greycat> The asrch alias would work.
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2683[19:29:07] <transient> oh,uhhh
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2684[19:29:19] <transient> sorry, may be I confused with.... git
clone , then.. sec...
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2685[19:29:33] <transient> "git clone
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2688[19:29:53] <transient> and expecting to just add the name of
user/repo there... hm, atleast quite sure that never worked and Ive
tried repeatedly..
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2690[19:30:38] <greycat> Shell aliases are pure text macro
expansions. If you write an alias "a" that expands to
"foo bar", then run "a quark", it will execute
"foo bar quark"
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2691[19:30:42] <transient> full correct command that would work
would be
replaced-url
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2694[19:31:09] <greycat> Sounds like you want a function instead
of a macro. Functions let you run any arbitrary code.
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2695[19:31:20] <transient> hm.. sounds simple yet im not sure i
understand still.. u meaan that git clone.. alias part should work
...?
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2696[19:31:41] <greycat> What command do you wish to *type*, and
what command do you wish it to *run* as a result?
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2697[19:31:48] <transient> oh.. hm. hard? ( i mean, take long to
read up on to properly figure)
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2698[19:32:28] <transient> make an alias to shorten down the
typing whhen cloning git repos. basically wanting to just add
user/repoName. having "git clone
replaced-url
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2703[19:33:05] <greycat> Pretend I don't know github. What
do you want to type, and what command do you wish it to execute?
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2705[19:33:36] <transient> I'd wanna execute #>gcl
niceuser/coolRepo
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2706[19:33:56] <transient> and have that execute "git clone
replaced-url
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2707[19:34:17] <greycat> gcl() { git clone
replaced-url
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2708[19:34:34] <greycat> assuming your ( was supposed to be /
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2710[19:35:15] <transient> hm? :o ..hmm.. would that whole thing
me within these signs: ' when doing like alias gcl='in
here?' ? ..like that?
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2712[19:35:22] <transient> yes, sorry..was wondering if to correc
that.s
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2713[19:35:25] <greycat> No, not an alias.
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2714[19:35:31] <transient> o..
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2715[19:35:40] <greycat> Put the line I wrote into .bashrc
exactly as I wrote it. If you have an alias named gcl, comment it
out.
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2716[19:35:46] <transient> anywhere else in .bashrc..?
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2717[19:35:52] <transient> hmmm
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2720[19:36:17] <greycat> Functions are much more powerful than
aliases, most of the time.
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2721[19:36:27] <transient> $1.. 1 - does this simply represent
first user-input...so if I wanted to have two, I could splice
various parts together and use a $2 there..or is that far off..?
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2723[19:36:54] <greycat> Conceptually correct. What did you
intend to use as the second argument?
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2729[19:38:19] <transient> gcl() <- shouldnt there be anything
in there, or would that only be if passing already known
static-named variables (possibly holding data)..if ever? if used as
such at all..if too complicated and far off what i was thinkin off
then nvm...just thought remembered similar from other kinda
coding..hm
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2730[19:38:47] <greycat> gcl() is how you begin a definition of a
function named "gcl" in bash/sh.
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2731[19:38:54] <transient> oh, uhh... actually can't
remember right now, but thought of things like this numerous times
actually, how it could have eased things alot and saved me a ton of
typing, heh :)
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2732[19:39:26] <transient> (sry; uh..kinda.."slow/dumb"
atm i guess..also significant insomnia... or i wuold likely have
thought of something (if nothuing else just to ask:P))
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2734[19:39:41] <transient> k
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2736[19:40:09] <transient> will just use that empty for now then,
and $1 $2 implying expected input ..
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2737[19:40:46] <greycat> You do NOT put anything inside the
parens. It's not like C.
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2739[19:41:04] <greycat> The () is just a syntactic indicator
that you are making a function. It's not an argument list.
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2741[19:41:18] <transient> if $1 and $2 are set and possiblu
expected, and only $1 is given would it behave as if $2 was
empty/not there then..?
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2742[19:41:27] <transient> k
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2745[19:41:34] <greycat> If you only give 1 argument, then $2
will expand as an empty string.
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2749[19:42:26] <transient> k. thanks-again!... I'lll gget to
trying this right away actually:d (get it into a few .bashrc's
asap atleast....b4 i forget it for too long again or something! will
surely save me a Lot of typing! :))
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2750[19:43:39] <transient> was told about this here....i dunno;
months, year ago? cant rememebr..maybe you even..!:P ..stupidly
didn't note down, or that I found back...or something.. thought
about that many times since :o)
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2751[19:44:09] <transient> that trick using a function I mean.
cool thing=))
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2752[19:44:10] <greycat> You may also want to check out
replaced-url
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2757[19:46:27] <transient> yeah.. thanks! ..i've actually
forked a ton of extensive guides like that, I thinkk, not having
seen that one yet.. noting down as well. Thks =D (hopefully Ill get
motivation to read thru, and stick at that some time soon..and
bhopefully also taking it in use..or afraid id forget easily again
(es. if reading over fast, much boring/hard-to-understand at the
time... much easier to rememebr when putting it to use,far more when
getting
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2758[19:46:28] <transient> something out of it (motivated to i
mean) =)
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2767[19:50:39] <transient> could I do this same thing with long
commands and parameters to scripts.. simply put $1, $2, $3 etc where
I'd normally type in varying parameters.. so I can basically
makea shortcut cutting down all that typing..just a sortof alias
?...would think so.. this seems useful,if works as i hope/think.. :D
cool..will hopefully b playin more with this very shortly then:))
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2769[19:50:52] <greycat> You want "$@"
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2770[19:51:02] <transient> why, where
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2771[19:51:11] <greycat> See
replaced-url
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2772[19:51:16] <transient> or is that wildcard, or accepting any
number?
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2773[19:51:19] <transient> thanks
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2775[19:52:11] <Photon> I'm reading the tutorial on using
libpam-chroot to chroot jail a user (replaced-url
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2778[19:53:02] <transient> try look for the sudoers file ...
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2779[19:53:12] <transient> ..possibly can just do
"visudo" (may needa download".. hmm
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2780[19:53:33] <transient> sorry not sure if really realted at
all, I don't know what that ldap stuff is/means, actually..:/
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2783[19:53:54] <transient> ldap=pam.. whatever that is:s
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2785[19:54:54] <Photon> ?
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2787[19:55:39] <transient> sorry think i got confused.. ovrerly
tired. I'm a n00b; afraid i was quite off/wrong-nevermind &
sorry again :d =)
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2788[19:55:42] <brw> Photon: If that file is not present, you may
not have OpenSSH installed.
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2791[19:56:03] <Photon> I was just told ssh and sshd are
interchangeable, is this true?
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2792[19:56:04] <brw> see if you have the openssh-server installed
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2793[19:56:10] <brw> sshd is the server
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2795[19:56:23] <transient> D often represents "daemon"
is what ive been thinking (like a constinously running process.. but
unsure)
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2797[19:56:34] <Photon> Alright
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2798[19:56:46] <Photon> So I'm modifiying the server's
ssh client??
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2799[19:56:47] <greycat> If you mean *service names*, Debian
creates sshd as an alias for the ssh service, so you can do
"systemctl status sshd" or "systemctl status
ssh".
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2800[19:56:58] <greycat> If you mean something else, say what you
mean.
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2803[19:57:32] <brw> Well, if I am reading this right Photon, you
are trying to move authentication for inbound SSH connections from
PAM to ldap
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2804[19:57:41] <Photon> So the ssh file is different than sshd.
I'm able to ssh in, so how do I know what I have? which
returned nothing.
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2805[19:57:58] <brw> If you don't have the openssh-server
installed (which I don't think installs by default all the
time), you won't be able to get to the box anyway :)
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2806[19:58:02] <greycat> If you mean /etc/pam.d/sshd then
it's that filename only.
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2807[19:58:22] <brw> what ssh server are you running?
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2808[19:58:22] <Photon> So I need to start using openssh-server?
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2810[19:58:30] <Photon> I don't know (new t this, sorry)
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2813[19:58:41] <brw> do you have a file /usr/sbin/sshd?
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2815[19:58:55] <greycat> openssh-server is the PACKAGE name of
the Debian package that contains sshd
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2817[19:58:59] <Nothing4You> is there a way i can remount and
remove an option?
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2819[19:59:04] <greycat> ssh is the SERVICE name
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2820[19:59:10] <greycat> /etc/pam.d/sshd is the PAM FILE NAME
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2822[19:59:22] <brw> Nothing4You: yes, mount -o remount
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2824[19:59:25] <greycat> Nothing4You: mount -o remount,foo
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2825[19:59:27] <brw> then the option you want to
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2826[19:59:30] <brw> there ya go
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2827[19:59:30] <Photon> I don't have a /usr/sbin/sshd
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2828[19:59:36] <Nothing4You> i want to remove it, not add it
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2829[19:59:45] <Nothing4You> like mount -o remount,-foo
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2830[19:59:48] <brw> ok
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2831[19:59:49] <brw> do this
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2832[19:59:49] <greycat> Nothing4You: then you need to specify a
negative option that undoes the other one
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2833[20:00:02] <greycat> What option did you use that you want to
undo?
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2834[20:00:06] <Nothing4You> usrquota
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2835[20:00:09] <brw> Photon: netstat -tupan | grep :22
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2836[20:00:10] <brw> as root
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2838[20:00:13] <Nothing4You> i guess it's noquota then
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2839[20:00:14] <petn-randall> Nothing4You: If you want to remove
an option, 'mount -o remount,no<option>' is usually
the way to go. Not sure if all options have counterparts, though.
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2840[20:00:26] <brw> tell me what daemon is listening on
0.0.0.0:22
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2842[20:00:32] <petn-randall> Nothing4You: for example atime
<-> noatime.
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2843[20:00:33] <Photon> sshd
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2845[20:00:45] <brw> ok, do "ps auwx | grep sshd"
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2846[20:00:52] * greycat waits for the part where we learn Photon
isn't even running Debian
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2847[20:00:54] <Nothing4You> yeah, noquota removed it
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2848[20:00:55] <Nothing4You> thanks
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2850[20:01:01] <brw> greycat: hah
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2851[20:01:02] <Photon> lol
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2852[20:01:16] <Photon> sshd..
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2853[20:01:21] <brw> Photon: You should see a path to one running
as root. Something like /sbin/sshd or /usr/sbin/sshd
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2854[20:01:29] <Photon> Yes
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2855[20:01:37] <CarlFK> "Please install the following tools:
pkg-config, bison, flex, git and the following libraries: GLib
(libglib2.0-dev or glib2-devel) and Orc (liborc-0.4-dev or
orc-devel) " output from
replaced-url
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2856[20:01:39] <brw> let me ask a dumb question. Did you remove
openssh-server at some point while you were SSH'd into the box?
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2858[20:01:51] <Photon> I didn't
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2859[20:01:52] <greycat> brw: keep pulling those teeth, maybe one
day you'll get the answer out
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2862[20:01:58] <Photon> ..
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2863[20:02:05] <greycat> Photon: WHAT IS THE OUTPUT of ps auxw |
grep sshd
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2864[20:02:08] <transient> try just service ssh start or service
sshd start
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2865[20:02:10] <CarlFK> I did :p... any hints as to what might be
missing? I don't mind installing extra stuff
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2868[20:02:34] <Photon> About 10 processes, one /usr/sbin/sshd -D
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2870[20:02:55] <brw> and if you do ls -la /usr/sbin/sshd
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2871[20:02:57] <brw> what do you get
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2872[20:03:05] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Hard to say, you
haven't stated what the problem is yet.
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2874[20:03:06] <petn-randall> !ask
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2875[20:03:06] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2876[20:03:43] <CarlFK> petn-randall: script says I need to
install build-dep like things, I do, and it still complains.
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2877[20:03:51] <Photon> A file, /usr/sbin/sshd
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2878[20:03:56] <Photon> Sorry
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2879[20:03:59] <Photon> So I have sshd
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2880[20:04:02] <greycat> Photon: try: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sshd
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2881[20:04:04] <brw> ok
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2882[20:04:05] <brw> yep
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2884[20:04:17] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Can you show us the command
+ output on
replaced-url
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2886[20:04:22] <Photon> Yup openssh-server
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2888[20:04:29] <Photon> Sorry :/
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2889[20:04:30] <greycat> So openssh-server *is* installed.
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2890[20:04:33] <Photon> Yes
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2893[20:04:46] <brw> and the file /etc/pam.d/sshd should be
included
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2894[20:04:59] <Photon> That file does exist
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2896[20:05:07] <petn-randall> …
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2897[20:05:27] <Photon> @me petn-randall?
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2898[20:05:27] <brw> ok, so I think that's the one you
probably need to edit
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2899[20:05:53] <Photon> Alright
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2900[20:06:05] <Photon> Thank you
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worse.
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2904[20:10:13] <zerocool> as a sanity check, if i have jessie and
added backports to my sources, it will only pull jessie packages
when i specify, right?
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2907[20:10:50] <zerocool> sorry it will only pull backport*
packages if i specify -t jessie-backports
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2908[20:10:51] <zerocool> not always
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2909[20:10:54] <greycat> If you did it correctly, yes.
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2911[20:11:16] <CarlFK> petn-randall: of course when I try to
collect all the "flex is already the newest version..." I
get "Setting up flex (2.6.1-1.3)" and now the build all
the things script is happy. soo thanks!
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2919[20:13:31] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Seems as though you
didn't the installation finish. But glad I could help!
You're welcome!
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2943[20:25:12] <B0rk_Meister666> Hi folks. I bought a new toy
(Alfa AWUS036ACH) and it has a RTL8812AU chipset. I see that Kali
already has a package for that driver. Debian doesn't... as far
as I can tell. Two part question: 1) Is there a package with the
driver already prebuilt served on a repository somehwere? 2) Will I
have to do ths one solo, and follow the directions posted here
replaced-url
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2955[20:28:53] <bnielsen> Hi, I have a custom repo and I placed
some files in a subdirectory of the binary path. The Packages.gz
lists the files okay but apt-get and apt-cache don't see the
files in a subdirectory.
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2957[20:29:21] <bnielsen> Is it even possible to have packages in
a subdirectory, or did I maybe format my apt-get source list file
wrong?
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2960[20:30:21] <bnielsen> In my list file I have this...
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2961[20:30:24] <bnielsen> deb
replaced-url
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2966[20:31:37] <bnielsen> And in my repo I have a path like
this...
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2968[20:31:44] <bnielsen> Filename:
dists/jessie/stable/binary-armhf/updates/xserver-xorg-video-fbdev_1%3a0.4.4-1+rpi2_armhf.deb
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2973[20:32:24] <bnielsen> I have the binary path
"binary-armhf/" followed with a subdirectory
"updates/"
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2976[20:33:20] <bnielsen> Any packages in
dists/jessie/stable/binary-armhf/ are seen by apt-get / apt-cache.
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2977[20:33:22] <BlackFerdyPT> hello, again
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2978[20:33:29] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, the following two messages
are for you and jordanm , to explain what was happening to me, in
case you are curious and want to know it
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2979[20:33:38] <bnielsen> But anything in
dists/jessie/stable/binary-armhf/updates/ are not seen even though
they are listed in Packages.gz.
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2980[20:33:46] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, the following two messages
are for you and greycat , to explain what was happening to me, in
case you are curious and want to know it
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2982[20:34:02] <BlackFerdyPT> (1/2) The "copyright
symbol" (replaced-url
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2983[20:34:02] <BlackFerdyPT> message wanting to "take
advantage" of a high resolution at boot, and changing the
output message to include that symbol when a high resolution is
enabled.
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2984[20:34:02] <nkuttler> BlackFerdyPT: if it's private,
take it private
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2988[20:35:00] <BlackFerdyPT> nkuttler, not really, as they are
answers to public questions I made in here (and that might be of
interest also to someone else)
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2989[20:35:13] <BlackFerdyPT> (2/2) There are two ways of
disabling the fsck on boot: either adding "fsck.mode=skip"
parameter in GRUB, or addind the "fastboot" one instead.
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2991[20:35:35] <BlackFerdyPT> (that's it. what I wanted to
report back / or say more, in here)
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2994[20:37:02] <BlackFerdyPT> bye everyone, and thank you very
much again for your help
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2995[20:37:25] <mxh-> so i want do do alias apt='sudo
apt'. is this, for some reason, dumb?
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2998[20:37:43] <greycat> there are lots of apt commands you can
run without being root
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2999[20:37:58] <greycat> your alias would force sudo in all
cases, including searching
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3001[20:38:06] <mxh-> sure but i search with apt-cache or
apt-file
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3003[20:38:12] <mxh-> and that's the only other one i use
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3004[20:38:22] <mxh-> just wondering from a security standpoint
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3007[20:39:26] <chicognu> mxh-, security is really relative. o
you machine is a server or is a machine others person use ?
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3011[20:40:30] <mxh-> chicognu: it's my local box, nothing
open to outside world
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3014[20:41:39] <chicognu> mxh-, my vpn as exemple, only auth with
user name and password, no cert... what possible can goes wrong ?
i'm the only user of it... if i use it in an open network, wich
most os time i don't, can happen a middle in the mid atack ?
sure it can, but it is so unlikely to happen....
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3017[20:43:02] <chicognu> mxh-, i don't see a problem with
that you using sudo into a aliase to apt. there are scenarios where
it can be exploited ? sure it exist... but is unlikely to happen
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3018[20:43:35] <greycat> It's interactive use only.
There's no "exploit", just waste.
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3020[20:43:50] <greycat> Running sudo when it's not needed,
generating more log entries, etc.
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3022[20:44:09] <mxh-> greycat: no waste in my case besides the
occasional apt show i suppose :)
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3028[20:46:33] <chicognu> mxh-, here, some one refusing to help
me because i was logged as root... but lets think about it: i'm
the only machine user, live with my grandmom who has 89 yo...
don't have secrets in my computer, just history from red tub...
what could happen ? my grandmom log as root see my browser history
and discovery i watch porn
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3029[20:46:34] <chicognu> lol
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3032[20:47:49] <transient> any point doing "apt-get
update" and/or "updatedb" before "apt-get
check" or would it know already, instantly without any further
refreshing/updating as such?
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3034[20:48:34] <greycat> You should do apt-get update if you
haven't done it recently.
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3037[20:48:54] <greycat> updatedb only affects the locate
command, and is run daily by default
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3039[20:49:13] <transient> k
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3040[20:49:25] <LaLaLand> Hi, does anyone here know the
difference between "Small" and "Tiny" CDs in
replaced-url
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3043[20:50:18] <transient> o daily tho... is that normal? I think
it isn'tinstalled by default. and also on open-/free-bsd I
think , it warns when running it as root.. unsure but presumably as
non-privileged users may get in reach of that index of files it
makes (I guess it does anyway) .. that not a worry here u think..?
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3045[20:50:44] <transient> size difference?
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3046[20:50:44] <greycat> mlocate is Priority: standard
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3047[20:51:02] <transient> oh really.. huh. k.. :s
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3063[20:56:46] <domovoy> about resolv.conf: if i use 'search
example.com' (no change to ndots, so 1), can i be sure that a
lookup for "foo.bar" will firts try "foo.bar."
AND then "foo.bar.example.com." ?
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3068[20:59:56] <domovoy> ping and firefox seems to do that, but
host doesn't... haven't tried any other tool (apart from
dig, which is a special case), can i reasonably assume that host is
a special case and that other programs (ssh, ftp, whatever) will
work like ping?
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3072[21:00:16] <greycat> domovoy: a lookup of foo.bar will be
done, and if that fails, that's it. It will NOT look up
foo.bar.example.com
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3073[21:00:55] <greycat> ... oh. Different results from differnet
tools? FUCK this.
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3074[21:01:03] <greycat> All bets are off.
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3078[21:01:57] <greycat> The result from "host" seems
to match what I read in "man resolv.conf". The result from
ping does not. Have fun with whatever project this is.
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3079[21:02:07] <domovoy> greycat> so... should i the set ndots
to make sure "example.com" will be tried? seems like
overkill for just a few domains
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3080[21:02:24] <greycat> I do not know. It is not documented in a
way that matches the outcome.
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3083[21:03:13] <domovoy> hmmm, annoying
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3086[21:03:33] <greycat> I tested with host and it matched the
man page so I thought "OK, here is the answer", and typed
the answer, and then saw that you had tested with ping and got a
totally different result.
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3091[21:04:27] <domovoy> the most annoying is, i can't seem
to find any clear documentation about how domain names resolution
work, especially the search order
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3094[21:04:43] <Henry151> howdy #debian
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3095[21:05:04] <Henry151> I'm trying to install debian right
now on a panasonic toughbook CF-30
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3096[21:05:19] <Henry151> I'm running the graphical
installer from a netinst image on a USB stick
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3098[21:05:44] <Henry151> I'm trying to install it onto sda
which is a 500GB SSD I just installed in the device
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3099[21:06:32] <Henry151> It is on the page where it says
"writing over the disk with random data to prevent metadata
leaks" or something to that effect
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3100[21:07:02] <Henry151> and it seems to be taking a very very
long while; it's been there for probably 20 minutes and is only
about 5% done. Any idea why this could be?
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3101[21:07:20] <BluesKaj> Henry151, is there a text install
option? If so use that , it's more stable
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3102[21:07:23] <greycat> domovoy: to add to the confusion, there
is also "getent hosts foo.bar" which appears to ignore
ndots and perform the concatenation
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3104[21:07:57] <vutral> hm
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3105[21:07:58] <n4dir> Henry151: i think it will take a very long
time. You sure you need to overwrite ?
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3106[21:08:04] <Henry151> greycat: there was a text install
option; I can cancel the current attempt and start over that way,
but I figured I'd check first and see if this step is normal to
take a long time
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3107[21:08:12] <n4dir> very long means: i wouldn't even
worry it if takes the whole night.
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3108[21:08:20] <Henry151> n4dir: I didn't see the chance to
skip the step
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3109[21:08:27] <domovoy> my understanding of man resolv.conf was
"if there is less than ndots, try search first, then root. Else
try root, then search" but it doesn't seem to be the case
for every tool...
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3110[21:08:47] <greycat> domovoy: none of the tools appear to
obey the man page except host(1)
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3112[21:08:54] <transient> i think ssd disk has a limited usage
before it dies off too and bad with unneccessary read/writes on
those disks and possibly not good to use for caching or such ( i
think i read somewhere...)
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3113[21:08:57] <Henry151> I do have some random data on the disk;
I didn't format it because I figured the installer would be
formatting it. I am trying to do whole-disk encryption
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3116[21:09:16] <Henry151> random data i mean some files
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3117[21:10:08] <Henry151> so maybe I'll restart and run the
installer in text mode. Is a "random data overwrite"
necessary to do whole-disk encryption? I didn't see the
opportunity to skip that step
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3118[21:10:35] <transient> if nothing important/special and risk
and potential for forensic analysis and recovery attempt , maybe
better get secure-delete and srm (rather than rm , to delete i
mean-for secure(r) wipe) on the individual files
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3119[21:10:36] <domovoy> greycat> so, in the end, don't
rely on resolv.conf, and always use fqdn, that's a pity.
I'd have thought thing would be kind of
"standardised" since the time people lookup hostnames
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3121[21:10:43] <Henry151> The laptop in question is not within
arms reach, so I'm trying to gather some ideas here and then go
back in and try it all out
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3124[21:11:12] <petn-randall> Henry151: AFAIR you can't skip
that step in the installer. But you can partition and create LUKS on
the disk with a live system and install on that.
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3125[21:11:28] <Henry151> aha
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3126[21:11:32] <Henry151> I see
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3127[21:11:38] <n4dir> I do know that to skip it was possible if
i only encrypted, but didn't use lvm or such. Henry151 ( i
don't know if you can encrypt in a less automated way if using
lvm, but i guess so). Henry151
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3128[21:12:30] <petn-randall> Henry151: Unless it's a SSD
it's generally considered a good idea to overwrite the
partition with random data before putting a LUKS container on it.
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3129[21:12:37] <n4dir> it sure was a pain to click back and
forth, until i figured out how to do it
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3130[21:12:41] <Henry151> petn-randall: it is an SSD
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3131[21:13:13] <petn-randall> Henry151: In that case just boot
the live system and partition it by hand (that's what I did).
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3132[21:13:41] <Henry151> hm. I don't have a live boot iso,
only the netinst on hand
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3133[21:14:04] <Henry151> if I skip the encryption entirely, can
I bypass this step?
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3134[21:14:56] <n4dir> Henry151: do you use lvm?
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3135[21:15:16] <Henry151> this would be first time doing
whole-disk encryption; I'm not sure what lvm means
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3136[21:15:17] <n4dir> i wrote down notes how i did it, but
without lvm.
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3137[21:15:18] <transient> i dno, but is filesystem the
same/correct already?
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3140[21:15:37] <n4dir> Henry151: give me a sec, though the notes
might be out of date
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3141[21:15:59] <n4dir> but yes, if you don't encrpyt, then
no overwrite of data
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3142[21:16:03] <Henry151> I wanted to reformat the drive with the
installer, so that I wouldn't have to make any decisions about
how to format it, and the installer would do it nicely for me
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3143[21:16:13] <Henry151> n4dir: I might just skip the encryption
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3145[21:16:48] <n4dir> Henry151: those are my notes:
replaced-url
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3146[21:17:01] <Henry151> is it possible to encrypt the disk
later on? Or for whole-disk encryption, do you need to set up the
encrypted volume before putting the data on it?
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3147[21:17:12] <Henry151> n4dir: thank you
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3149[21:18:06] <n4dir> I doubt you can encrypt root (the OS,
whatever) later. If you got free space, you can encrypt /home later
(you will need to edit fstab for such). From the top of my head,
don't take my word for it
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3150[21:19:01] <Henry151> thanks
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3151[21:19:05] <transient> try check out the tools SiriKali and
/or ZuluCrypt and ZuluMount, would think can do that, and more..ive
found useful for alot so far, can use different encryption
(liks,dm,veraa, truec.. )
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3152[21:19:28] <Henry151> thanks transient
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3154[21:19:44] <Henry151> I'm going to go inside and check
to see how the progress is going :D be back later
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3155[21:20:04] <n4dir> Henry151: if you only care for a bit of
data, you could also use something like encfs, no need to encrypt
all of /home with cryptsetup
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3165[21:24:20] <nvz> I cannot for the life of me remember or
figure out what the file is that I edited to change the nodm user
when started via systemd. the docs all point to starting it manually
which is really stupid because then it's just xinit or startx
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3171[21:26:55] <nvz> the important stuff never seems to stay in
my history
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3172[21:27:21] <moony> i know the feeling
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3178[21:29:39] <nvz> the worst part is it was only like two days
ago I found the file and changed it and I can't remember.
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3180[21:30:21] <Cl0udN9ne> hello friends
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3181[21:30:42] <nvz> problem is I was up 7 days until the power
cut out just about an hour ago.. so apparently when that happens my
history gets lost
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3183[21:30:45] <Cl0udN9ne> while doing apt-get update and apt-get
upgrade,im getting the following error
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3184[21:30:47] <Cl0udN9ne> SSL: certificate subject name (replaced-url
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3192[21:34:58] <petn-randall> !bat
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3193[21:34:58] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3198[21:35:09] <petn-randall> Cl0udN9ne: Can you provide *all* of
the above?
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3199[21:35:16] <Cl0udN9ne> sure
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3208[21:39:20] <moony>
replaced-url
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3209[21:39:27] <nvz> hmm, it was /etc/default/nodm :-/
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3212[21:42:05] <petn-randall> moony: However, you can install
potato on a computer. :)
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3213[21:42:29] <Cl0udN9ne> directly on the ic :P
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3214[21:42:45] <Cl0udN9ne> potato power...
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3215[21:42:57] <petn-randall> !potato
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3216[21:42:57] <dpkg> Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux
2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me
about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also
<potato sources.list>.
replaced-url
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3217[21:43:12] <moony> Heh.
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3218[21:43:18] <moony> Never forget mr. potatohead
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3219[21:43:21] <Cl0udN9ne> lol
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3220[21:43:31] <moony> Cl0udN9ne, stalker
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3221[21:43:38] <Cl0udN9ne> uhh
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3222[21:43:46] <Cl0udN9ne> im on 20 channels
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3224[21:44:18] <petn-randall> moony, Cl0udN9ne, get a room you
two! Preferably #debian-offtopic.
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3225[21:44:31] <Cl0udN9ne> :P
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3238[21:54:20] <imperius> Can someone suggest me some light linux
distro for pc with 512 mb ram,it should be for pentesting..
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3239[21:54:40] <greycat> Debian, without a desktop environment.
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3240[21:55:17] <n4dir> imperius: debian, i yet have to see a
distro which uses less ressources (though quite some claim to be
"small").
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3242[21:55:45] <greycat> Did you really expect a different answer
in #debian?
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3243[21:55:54] <imperius> haha no :S
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3244[21:56:00] <ranix> !z24
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3245[21:56:31] <ranix> apt: test
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3246[21:56:32] <apt> methinks test is not funny
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3247[21:56:41] <sypher> imperius: You say "pentesting."
What are you actually going to be doing?
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3249[21:58:25] <abrotman> imperius: try
linux, this channel is for Debian support. We can suggest you try
Debian, but there may be other distros better suited for that
task, ask linux
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3250[21:58:32] <n4dir> Well: i always searched for small linux
distros, as i got many machines with really bad ressources (from the
garbage, from friends, etc). In the end i always sticked to debian
(and if i would remember a better solution, i sure would tell it)
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3253[22:00:17] <apollo13> archlinux would probably also work well
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3254[22:00:27] <apollo13> realistically speaking everything
without a gui would work well
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3255[22:00:59] <n4dir> window manager should work too, 512 MB
ain't that bad
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3256[22:01:08] <n4dir> or even xfce4
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3257[22:01:12] <guest2338> Transission on Debian. I want to
upload (torrent) a linux iso. Only 2 trackers show, only one works.
How do I add legit public trackers (add "announce url")?
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3260[22:01:53] <greycat> The trackers are part of the .torrent
file that was created when the file was originally seeded.
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3261[22:02:01] <imperius> arch stops support for 32 bit system,so
that is not option
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3263[22:02:52] <guest2338> greycat: So that means those are the
only tracker that it can be "announced" to?
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3264[22:03:18] <Photon> So I just accidentally deleted a
directory with a bunch of files in it that I need to restore. I know
the pid of the process that's keeping the files open. Using
grep on lsof doesn't print anything useful when I search for
the directory name or the pid. What can I do to restore my files?
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3268[22:06:48] <abrotman> imperius: again, ask ##linux
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3270[22:07:15] <guest2338> Bonus question: Is
udp://tracker.openbittorrrent.com:80 no longer around? Keep getting
"error Connection Failed" messages.
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3271[22:07:33] <jelly> Photon, run "lsof -np pidhere"
with the same user as the process, or root. If that does not point
to more clues, inspect the contents of every "symlink" in
/proc/pidhere/fd/ manually and cat each into a new file.
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3279[22:08:26] <jelly> guest2338, torrent trackers, especially
open ones, come and go. This isn't a Debian specific issue, so
this is not the right channel to ask.
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3280[22:08:51] <jelly> unless debian's torrents point there.
Then it's a VERY debian issue.
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3281[22:08:52] <nvz> does anyone know of a simple command I can
add to an xsession file that will draw a jpg/png or such on the root
window? all the ones I'm turning up are GUI frontends with no
command line options to be started automatically
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3282[22:09:05] <Photon> Thank you jelly
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3287[22:09:49] <n4dir> nvz: feh ? Though i assume it depends
which window-manager you use?
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3288[22:10:02] <guest2338> jelly: Okay. Tried #transmission
first, still no reply.
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3290[22:10:47] <jelly> as greycat says, basically the only way to
add more trackers is to create a new torrent
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3292[22:11:05] <jelly> hope for DHT to pick up more peers :-)
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3293[22:11:05] <jolt> n4dir: Like for a background? I use feh as
well
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3297[22:11:48] <n4dir> jolt: yes, for the background image
(wallpaper, or however it is called). iirc fluxbox uses it (or can
use it ... )
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3300[22:11:50] <guest2338> jelly: Okay, thanks.
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3302[22:11:59] <ikla> what is the max size for a bios boot efi
partition?
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3305[22:12:25] <apollo13> ikla: why :)
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3306[22:12:39] <ikla> what is the limit?
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3307[22:12:40] <apollo13> but if efi doesn't limit it the
fat fs type might limit it
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3309[22:12:53] <apollo13> yes, I do not see how that would be
relevant
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3310[22:13:00] <ikla> what I figured
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3312[22:13:06] <ikla> what is the std size everyone goes with?
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3314[22:13:13] <sypher> ikla: Recommendation is 512MiB.
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3316[22:13:25] <sypher> ikla: The minimum and maximum sizes are
determined by the particular filesystem used.
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3317[22:13:26] <ikla> yeah
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3318[22:13:28] <jelly> ikla, windows 7-10 use 100MiB
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3320[22:13:47] <jelly> and fat32 / vfat can be quite large.
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3321[22:13:47] <nvz> n4dir: yes if there isn't something to
actually set the root window this way anymore, then my wm is capable
of just using an image viewer, sawfish has very powerful window
matching features
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3322[22:13:48] <greycat> My PC came with one that's 356 MB
when mounted.
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3323[22:13:55] <ikla> dunno have a 512MB partition and I get boot
failed from my system
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3324[22:14:09] <sypher> ikla: Please describe your actual issue.
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3325[22:14:10] <greycat> Why do you think the size is related to
this issue?
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3327[22:14:17] <apollo13> ikla: well what does it show, the size
has nothing to do with it
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3328[22:14:25] <n4dir> nvz: give feh a try
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3329[22:14:27] <ikla> it's vfat and you can see the
grubx64.efi
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3334[22:15:52] <OtakuSenpai> !bat
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3335[22:15:53] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3336[22:16:02] <Photon> jelly: how would I inspet the contents of
each file in /proc/pid/fd ?
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3338[22:16:30] <greycat> Photon: by copying them into files and
then reading the files?
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3339[22:16:43] <greycat> Or maybe you can read the symlinks
directly, I dunno.
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3341[22:16:55] <ikla> no ideas?
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3342[22:17:00] <Photon> Reading them with what? if I use cat on
the symlinks I get nothing or an error
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3343[22:17:18] <sypher> ikla: You've given us no real
information.
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3344[22:17:31] <jelly> Photon, if cat doesn't work
you're already screwed. Are you root?
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3345[22:17:35] <ikla> there is not much detail
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3346[22:17:37] <Photon> Yes
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3347[22:17:53] <ikla> system says boot failed when you select the
efi partition to boot
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3348[22:17:53] <sypher> ikla: There's a lot more than
you're providing.
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3350[22:18:07] <ikla> it can see the device
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3351[22:18:08] <jelly> and yes I meant with cat or less or
something similar.
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3352[22:18:21] <ikla> bios_boot part has EFI on a vfat fs
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3353[22:18:28] <Photon> Doesn't less make long output into
'pages'?
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3354[22:18:34] <ikla> it's trying to boot grubx64.efi
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3357[22:19:21] <OtakuSenpai> petn-randall: do i hav to give each
and every packages' apt-cache policy?
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3363[22:23:08] <nvz> n4dir: seems feh --bg-scale will do the
trick,thanks. I'd installed this program a few weeks ago and
never tried it
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3364[22:23:35] <n4dir> nvz: cool. good luck (there is a very
similar solution, but i can't remember)
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3384[22:35:22] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: not every package, just
the ones that you're having trouble installing
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3385[22:35:33] <OtakuSenpai> yes
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3386[22:35:36] <OtakuSenpai> done tht
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3387[22:35:46] <OtakuSenpai> ill paste it all in one file
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3392[22:37:18] <OtakuSenpai> !bat
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3393[22:37:18] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3403[22:40:11] <OtakuSenpai>
replaced-url
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3404[22:40:59] <OtakuSenpai> some of the packages were getting
installed...i had to run apt-get upgrade again bcoz i closed the
window
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3405[22:41:08] <OtakuSenpai> everything is there....
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