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• 3[00:00:34] <SerajewelKS> it immediately turns a file overwrite vulnerability into a remote code execution vulnerability
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• 12[00:03:34] <glaucom> is local lan , secure
• 13[00:03:57] <SerajewelKS> still a bad idea
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• 15[00:04:04] <SerajewelKS> google "principle of least privilege"
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• 19[00:05:24] <glaucom> now i dont need 777 on directory , i fix it now
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• 21[00:07:16] <EdePopede> glaucom: which user has to create .config and .cache in /var/replaced-url
• 22[00:07:30] <glaucom> root
• 23[00:07:47] <SerajewelKS> what the fuck?
• 24[00:07:56] <SerajewelKS> you're running libreoffice as root? in /var/replaced-url
• 25[00:08:03] <glaucom> yes
• 26[00:08:30] <SerajewelKS> there's so many problems with that, i'm honestly not sure where to begin
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• 28[00:08:43] <glaucom> ops
• 29[00:08:43] <Mathisen> :)
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• 31[00:08:46] <SerajewelKS> i take it that you don't care at all about security
• 32[00:08:47] <glaucom> replaced-url
• 33[00:09:12] <EdePopede> SerajewelKS > replaced-url
• 34[00:09:12] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
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• 36[00:09:33] <EdePopede> lol? glaucom: was this just perfect timing?
• 37[00:09:46] <SerajewelKS> running as replaced-url
• 38[00:09:53] <glaucom> other image
• 39[00:09:55] <SerajewelKS> what are you even trying to accomplish here
• 40[00:10:01] <glaucom> not same image lol
• 41[00:10:17] <EdePopede> there were suggestions, even yesterday. using proper users and inotify, but....
• 42[00:10:40] <EdePopede> indeed... but the hash is nearly the same at the end oO
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• 44[00:10:47] <glaucom> lol, c
• 45[00:10:52] <SerajewelKS> what are you trying to do? running libreoffice from PHP as replaced-url
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• 47[00:11:06] <glaucom> SerajewelKS: one minute
• 48[00:11:09] <ctcx> Have a cron job scp-ing some files to a remote server. Ssh keys are done as well of course. Doubt is, all this as root user... Is this potentially insecure?
• 49[00:11:11] <EdePopede> > For everyone else, his GOAL is for users to upload powerpoint files to his web server which is connected to a physical display where the users can see it. He wants each uploaded powerpoint file to trigger the killing of the existing libreoffice program and the starting of a new one to show the new powerpoint file.
• 50[00:11:15] <glaucom> lol
• 51[00:11:19] <EdePopede> > The solution we gave: have the web server upload the files to a specific diretory (write to a temp file and mv it). Have a script running as the user who started X, using incron or inotify to discover the new files, kill libreoffice, and start the new one.
• 52[00:11:32] <EdePopede> to steal the TLDR from just before ;)
• 53[00:12:11] <SerajewelKS> so any user can upload any file at any time?
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• 55[00:12:17] <SerajewelKS> and take over the presentation without confirmation or oversight?
• 56[00:12:25] <Mathisen> that sounds like a bad idea...
• 57[00:12:33] <SerajewelKS> every bit of this sounds like a bad idea
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• 60[00:14:47] <EdePopede> glaucom: what i don't remember... does the user sit in front of the server or just in the LAN on another machine?
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• 62[00:15:11] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
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• 64[00:15:39] <glaucom> i protect server from IPs
• 65[00:15:44] <EdePopede> glaucom: pastebins are far better for sniplets than screenshots
• 66[00:15:54] <EdePopede> what?
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• 68[00:17:28] <SerajewelKS> if you're going to do this then libreoffice should be run as a very unprivileged user
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• 70[00:17:38] <SerajewelKS> set up sudoers so that replaced-url
• 71[00:17:54] <SerajewelKS> then libreoffice can write its data into a proper $HOME
• 72[00:17:58] <SerajewelKS> not in your web root
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• 75[00:18:14] <SerajewelKS> and libreoffice won't have permission to change stuff under /var/replaced-url
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• 77[00:18:53] <EdePopede> SerajewelKS: one suggestion was to let it reopen the file on change, do you know if it is able to to such a thing?
• 78[00:18:55] <glaucom> not worked on sudoers
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• 80[00:19:20] <SerajewelKS> glaucom: then you didn't configure it right
• 81[00:19:34] <SerajewelKS> you probably forgot NOPASSWD
• 82[00:19:48] <glaucom> i try NOPASSWD
• 83[00:19:52] <glaucom> no sucess
• 84[00:20:01] <SerajewelKS> who owns the X server?
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• 88[00:20:35] <SerajewelKS> EdePopede: libreoffice should permit you to send it commands from the command line. i don't know exactly how to do that since i haven't done it before.
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• 90[00:20:44] <jak2000> lines for update my debian 9?
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• 92[00:21:10] <SerajewelKS> !jessie->stretch
• 93[00:21:22] <jak2000> !jessie->stretch
• 94[00:21:26] <jak2000> deb lines please
• 95[00:21:30] <jak2000> !deb
• 96[00:21:30] <dpkg> Debian .deb packages are a special form of <ar> archive which can be unpacked with "ar x pkg.deb". Inside the file control.tar.gz are conffiles, installation scripts, and a file "control" which contains the information shown with "apt-cache show pkg". Dependencies can be changed by editing this file. Install the dpkg-dev package and read "man 5 deb" for more details. A better plan is to see <package recompile> <source package>.
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• 98[00:21:45] <SerajewelKS> hmm that factoid should have worked
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• 100[00:21:50] <SerajewelKS> it works by PM
• 101[00:22:16] <SerajewelKS> !tell jak2000 about jessie->stretch
• 102[00:22:18] <EdePopede> this one sounds nice (rc for lo) replaced-url
• 103[00:22:45] <SerajewelKS> glaucom: what user does the X server run as?
• 104[00:23:13] <glaucom> how see ?
• 105[00:23:26] <SerajewelKS> glaucom: well... who logs in to it?
• 106[00:23:36] <SerajewelKS> i assume you are using a display manager
• 107[00:23:57] <EdePopede> glaucom: ps aus and then look for the line
• 108[00:24:03] <EdePopede> * ps aux
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• 110[00:24:34] <SerajewelKS> what i'm getting at is that a user normally may not start an X client on someone else's X display. you need to make the .Xauthority file readable by them and set XAUTHORITY to the path
• 111[00:24:41] <somiaj> !jessie->stretch
• 112[00:24:46] <glaucom> beautiful
• 113[00:24:51] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
• 114[00:24:53] <somiaj> dpkg: test
• 115[00:24:54] <dpkg> Test failed.
• 116[00:25:07] <somiaj> dpkg: jessie->stretch
• 117[00:25:08] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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• 119[00:25:35] <SerajewelKS> glaucom: what happens when someone uploads a file whose name contains '
• 120[00:25:50] <glaucom> yeah
• 121[00:25:52] <SerajewelKS> glaucom: what if the file name is "'; rm -fr /;"
• 122[00:25:57] <glaucom> next problem and rh
• 123[00:25:59] <EdePopede> SerajewelKS: had screen running in xterm, needed to put script in front of it. and with xhost i could start GUI programs.
• 124[00:26:25] <glaucom> xhost on terminal not works for me
• 125[00:26:33] <glaucom> nohup yes
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• 127[00:26:53] <EdePopede> glaucom: the thing with filenames is about this > replaced-url
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• 129[00:27:26] <SerajewelKS> your program is vulnerable to shell injection. congrats, any user with access can run arbitrary commands as the web server user.
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• 138[00:32:20] <glaucom> ye
• 139[00:32:24] <glaucom> next step
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• 147[00:35:54] <EdePopede> replaced-url
• 148[00:35:58] <Lambertini> hey guys, someone can help-me with configuration file vhots with apache more django ? this is my conf file the vhosts: replaced-url
• 149[00:35:58] <EdePopede> another nice thing
• 150[00:36:07] <EdePopede> now imagine office running as root....
• 151[00:36:28] <Lambertini> in apache log return
• 152[00:36:29] <Lambertini> [Wed Dec 05 19:59:56.002378 2018] [core:notice] [pid 16857] AH00094: Command li$
• 153[00:36:29] <Lambertini> ImportError: No module named site
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• 156[00:36:58] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
• 157[00:37:05] <glaucom> :)
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• 162[00:39:04] <glaucom> EdePopede , SerajewelKS
• 163[00:39:10] <glaucom> see video
• 164[00:39:13] <EdePopede> Lambertini: sounds to me like it's trying to load a non-existing module
• 165[00:40:00] <Lambertini> EdePopede, I do not know what to do
• 166[00:40:23] <Lambertini> will fo try put this on vhosts
• 167[00:40:24] <Lambertini> WSGIPythonPath /replaced-url
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• 169[00:42:24] <EdePopede> Lambertini: look into /etc/apache2, i don't have it installed atm, but... is there a reference on a module to load, which then doesn't exist on your system? /etc/apache2/mods-{enabled,available} - or maybe a LoadModule in some of the .conf files used
• 170[00:43:11] <Lambertini> EdePopede, have site-avaiables
• 171[00:43:22] <EdePopede> oh and... i never jango'd. but i don't think it is a django specific thing
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• 175[00:43:56] <EdePopede> there should be links from enabled into available (if this hadn't changed in the meantime)
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• 178[00:45:29] <Lambertini> EdePopede, i try it have 2 weeks
• 179[00:45:30] <Lambertini> haah
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• 246[01:37:02] <f0x> I get a 'st-256color': unknown terminal type. on one of my Debian vps's
• 247[01:37:09] <f0x> but it's fine on all the other ones, how do I fix this?
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• 254[01:40:59] <queso> When I install the nginx-extras package, I assume that it would put some modules in /etc/nginx/modules-available/ - but it doesn't appear to do this?
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• 258[01:45:41] <rwp> f0x, 'apt-get install ncurses-term' which contains the termcap definition for st-256color.
• 259[01:46:08] <EdePopede> queso: `dpkg -L nginx-extras` for the filelist, if not present, they may get created by the postinst script
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• 266[01:48:25] <bltzfsck> im running stretch on a lenovo with a touch screen
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• 268[01:48:55] <petn-randall> bltzfsck: You already wrote on the other channel, it's best to wait a little for people to reply.
• 269[01:48:58] <petn-randall> !crosspost
• 270[01:48:58] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
• 271[01:48:59] <bltzfsck> in X sometimes i get a virtual keyboard on the screen that i don't want, but i can't figure out how to disable it
• 272[01:49:24] <bltzfsck> ah, sorry
• 273[01:49:35] <bltzfsck> thought this was a different place
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• 275[01:50:17] <EdePopede> ,v nginx
• 276[01:50:18] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.10.3-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; stretch-backports:
• 277[01:50:19] <judd> 1.14.0-1~bpo9+1; stretch-backports: 1.14.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.14.1-1; sid: 1.14.1-1
• 278[01:52:05] <bltzfsck> petn-randall: so is it better to just pick one server and stay there?
• 279[01:52:24] <jasabella> is apt preferred over apt-get and apt-cache now?
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• 281[01:53:08] <EdePopede> queso > replaced-url
• 282[01:53:09] <abrotman> jasabella: use the tool you like
• 283[01:53:17] <jasabella> or is it just a wrapper?
• 284[01:53:43] <jasabella> (i know apt-get and apt-cache are wrappers too)
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• 317[02:11:31] <petn-randall> bltzfsck: It's ok to ask in another channel again, but I'd wait an hour or so and only then ask if I didn't get a response in the original channel.
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• 331[02:26:37] <danst> is there any way to ignore policy check while configuring kernel? check-config: FAIL (- != y): CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE policy<{'amd64': 'y', 'arm64': 'y', 'armhf': 'y', 'i386': 'y', 'ppc64el': 'y'}> mark<ENFORCED> note<boot essential for grub2 console>
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• 334[02:27:13] <danst> I want to completely get rid of framebuffer
• 335[02:27:30] <danst> I don't need graphics in this kernel at all
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• 338[02:29:50] <queso> epsilon: Thanks - I managed to find the file to load with the `locate` command. :)
• 339[02:32:01] <_|x|_> im sure this is one of the top annoyances here, but anyone know how i can start diagnosing a broken pulseaudio?
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• 343[02:32:25] <danst> _|x|_: lold really hard, +1 this question
• 344[02:32:27] <ryouma> _|x|_: i can tell you what i did
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• 346[02:32:51] <_|x|_> is it uninstalling pulseaudio
• 347[02:32:54] <ryouma> aptitude purge
• 348[02:33:00] <danst> ahhaha
• 349[02:33:01] <ryouma> never looked back
• 350[02:33:12] <_|x|_> too many hard deps on libpulse :/
• 351[02:33:38] <_|x|_> but i did used to run alsa only a ways back
• 352[02:33:40] <danst> never managed to hear any sound on headless
• 353[02:33:53] <danst> with pa
• 354[02:34:21] <danst> I only remember it working on desktop deployments
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• 358[02:35:29] <joepublic> I cannot imagine someone having problems with pulseaudio. What would Red Hat say!
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• 361[02:36:31] <_|x|_> ?
• 362[02:36:41] <_|x|_> whats the red hat joke
• 363[02:36:42] <danst> I remember that day when Mandriva got updated and I had no sound...
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• 366[02:37:20] <_|x|_> in terms of diagnosis would it be ok to remove rtkit
• 367[02:38:39] <annadane> wondering if someone knows what's going on with virt-manager, i'm trying to use a .iso and getting "unable to complete install: 'unsupported configuration: CPU mode 'custom' for x86_64 kvm domain on x86_64 host is not supported by hypervisor'"
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• 369[02:39:45] <danst> annadane: can you paste your libvirt xml
• 370[02:40:01] <annadane> danst, how? not sure what you mean
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• 372[02:40:16] <danst> what is the name of your VM
• 373[02:40:30] <danst> use # virsh edit name
• 374[02:40:39] <danst> and show me cpu configuration
• 375[02:41:57] <annadane> danst, "use virsh edit name"? verbatim?
• 376[02:42:37] <__m4ch1n3__> hey is it possible to disable taskbar icon flashing for windows that want attention? every time i open a terminal window the icon in taskbar start blink permanently without end.
• 377[02:42:45] <__m4ch1n3__> if fbpanel
• 378[02:43:26] <__m4ch1n3__> cant find any solution with google & manpage and it slowly drives me insane
• 379[02:43:26] <danst> annadane: what steps did you perform to get to the point where you are
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• 381[02:44:21] <__m4ch1n3__> *in fbpanel
• 382[02:44:41] <annadane> danst, i'm in the VM creation stage. i've set the network to be virt-manager's virtual network NAT, set the boot order options... and that's about it
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• 384[02:46:01] <annadane> previously i added my user to the libvirt, kvm, and libvirt-qemu groups, modprobe -r and then modprobe kvm and kvm-intel, as i did before, and it usually works
• 385[02:46:57] <annadane> if i enable "copy cpu host configuration" then i get a different error, permission denied
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• 387[02:47:35] <annadane> process exited while connecting to monitor, could not access kvm kernel module: permission denied. failed to initialize KVM, permission denied
• 388[02:47:58] <__m4ch1n3__> annadane, let me guess, you did not close/restart the session after adding user to group
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• 390[02:48:23] <annadane> which session, virt-manager?
• 391[02:48:33] <__m4ch1n3__> no the one your loged in
• 392[02:48:33] <annadane> i have
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• 394[02:48:55] <annadane> well i could try rebooting i guess but normally this works without issue
• 395[02:49:11] <__m4ch1n3__> close desktop sesion, log in again from display manager and changes to user groups will have effect
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• 397[02:49:23] <annadane> brb
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• 399[02:49:28] <danst> have you tried /etc/init.d/libvrtd restart
• 400[02:49:31] <danst> rip
• 401[02:49:55] <danst> please help me to bypass check-config ENFORCED thing, unable to compile linux!
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• 405[02:50:39] <joepublic> the kernel compile scripts are rather complex as such things go
• 406[02:51:15] <danst> check-config: FAIL (- != y): CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE policy<{'amd64': 'y', 'arm64': 'y', 'armhf': 'y', 'i386': 'y', 'ppc64el': 'y'}> mark<ENFORCED> note<boot essential for grub2 console>
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• 410[02:52:21] <joepublic> using lilo are you?
• 411[02:52:37] <annadane> huh. problem solved
• 412[02:52:39] * annadane shrugs
• 413[02:52:44] <annadane> i normally don't have to do that
• 414[02:52:48] <danst> joepublic: grub2
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• 416[02:53:35] <joepublic> you are not going to be using grub2 without a framebuffer, according to the note there.
• 417[02:54:14] <danst> but how do I stop efifb from doing that [ 0.102787] pci 0000:00:02.0: BAR 2: assigned to efifb
• 418[02:54:43] <annadane> thanks danst
• 419[02:54:59] <danst> annadane: __m4ch1n3__ is the one who helped you
• 420[02:55:12] <annadane> oh. right. thanks __m4ch1n3__
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• 423[02:55:56] <danst> joepublic: video=efifb:off kernel parameter doesn't work
• 424[02:56:28] <joepublic> I don't have any insight into efi / video interaction.
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• 428[02:57:15] <joepublic> just trying to figure out whether this is really something you need in a kernel and/or really need to not have in a kernel.
• 429[02:57:50] <__m4ch1n3__> np :3
• 430[02:58:03] <danst> I believe if I remove framebuffer from kernel completely, there won't be any efifb standing in my way
• 431[02:58:22] <joepublic> so you want to "just try it"
• 432[02:58:34] <danst> yes, that's the best way I've found so far
• 433[02:58:50] <__m4ch1n3__> changes to user groups take first effect after user logged out ALWAYS"i normally don't have to do that"
• 434[02:58:58] <danst> and I assume check-config comes from debian
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• 439[03:02:00] <__m4ch1n3__> annadane, and you dont need to reboot, its enough to close the desktop session you are logged in or restart the desktop manager
• 440[03:02:57] <joepublic> under the directory where you untarred your kernel, the following file says you need framebuffer: Documentation/x86/x86_64/uefi.txt
• 441[03:03:50] <joepublic> that file also mentions a CONFIG_FB_EFI configuration option which, if y, probably is requiring the one you are talking about
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• 446[03:05:00] <danst> joepublic: I've disabled CONFIG_FB_EFI too
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• 449[03:05:39] <joepublic> thing is, that uefi.txt is basically linus saying "to use efi, set those both to Y" -- that's not distribution-specific.
• 450[03:06:19] <danst> a friend of mine thinks that UEFI is a very bad word
• 451[03:06:20] <joepublic> sounds pointless to me -- why not just be text only? -- but again, my insight into efi is nil.
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• 453[03:06:34] <danst> my life turned into UEFI a lot lately
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• 455[03:07:18] <danst> am I going to write a mail to linus now
• 456[03:07:30] <joepublic> He loves getting those.
• 457[03:08:14] <joepublic> In the interest of better communication, I must admit that the above was weak sarcasm.
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• 459[03:08:56] <danst> well, I have no idea what's his life like, but I'll send him one
• 460[03:09:11] <annadane> oh dear
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• 462[03:09:41] <joepublic> he is pretty active, uses a walking-desk treadmill and desk combination, lives in the pacific northwest of the united states. All-around nice, normal guy by most accounts.
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• 464[03:10:01] <danst> that's what I'm hoping for!
• 465[03:10:50] <annadane> just don't break userspace
• 466[03:11:12] <joepublic> Your new driver should not be enabled by default.
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• 472[03:17:22] <__m4ch1n3__> apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r)
• 473[03:17:22] <__m4ch1n3__> make distclean
• 474[03:17:22] <__m4ch1n3__> cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /path/to/kernel-src/.config
• 475[03:17:22] <__m4ch1n3__> make oldconfig
• 476[03:17:22] <__m4ch1n3__> cp /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/Module.symvers /path/to/kernel-src/
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• 479[03:17:58] <joepublic> oops wrong paste, huh.
• 480[03:18:05] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
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• 482[03:19:23] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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• 488[03:22:30] <__m4ch1n3__> is a self recompiled kernel without any changes to source in any way better on the machine it was compiled e.g due better optimization then the kernel binaries from official repository?
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• 491[03:23:52] <danst> please help me make this less retarded and more technical before I send it
• 492[03:23:53] <danst> replaced-url
• 493[03:24:17] <joepublic> maybe so if you compile with CFLAGS="-march=native" make
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• 498[03:25:47] <joepublic> make sending linus an "I cant compile the kernel" letter less retarded? Come on, this was funny up to a point.
• 499[03:26:38] <danst> what else am I supposed to do
• 500[03:26:47] <danst> what would you do?
• 501[03:27:23] <__m4ch1n3__> where is the problem with compiling kernel?
• 502[03:27:43] <danst> in the very beginning of the message
• 503[03:27:44] <joepublic> pursue support options such as ##linux, their mailing lists, enter that dmesg line into a search engine, literally anything other than send linus a letter.
• 504[03:27:50] <danst> it not compiling yet though
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• 506[03:28:09] <danst> there's no information online
• 507[03:28:16] <danst> totally stuck
• 508[03:28:35] <joepublic> the entire commented kernel source is "online". That's where it lives.
• 509[03:29:06] <danst> well, it says officially this is not supported
• 510[03:29:07] <__m4ch1n3__> read debian documentation pages on the topic, google <serch pattern> url:debian.org
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• 512[03:29:30] <__m4ch1n3__> danst, try this: replaced-url
• 513[03:30:07] <danst> __m4ch1n3__: that would build kernel with EFI framebuffer
• 514[03:30:15] <__m4ch1n3__> last time i compiled the kernel the build process took over 4 hours
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• 516[03:30:27] <joepublic> I mean, your problem is "for some unknown reason I can't passthru the GPU to a virtual machine" and you are trying to make it about violating kernel .config sanity guidelines.
• 517[03:30:27] <danst> yeah I've been compiling all day and all night baby
• 518[03:30:38] <joepublic> Perhaps step back and work on the actual problem.
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• 520[03:31:07] <danst> joepublic: the reason is efifb
• 521[03:31:17] <danst> which is can't be disabled
• 522[03:31:59] <joepublic> maybe someone else had trouble passing thru their GPU to a virtual machine. How did they fix it?
• 523[03:32:12] <danst> they bought another gpu and another pic-e slot
• 524[03:32:27] <danst> and didn't use boot gpu for passthrough
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• 526[03:32:35] <danst> that's not very efficient, is it
• 527[03:33:02] <danst> others gave up
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• 530[03:33:59] <__m4ch1n3__> cant you config the vm to use virtual bios instead of efi
• 531[03:34:02] <__m4ch1n3__> ?
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• 533[03:34:08] <ghormoon> hi, anything specific that I need to pull from backports if I'm taking kernel + headers to actually build zfs spl on the backported kernel? gettting make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
• 534[03:34:16] <danst> __m4ch1n3__: I need to disable efifb on host
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• 537[03:34:29] <danst> __m4ch1n3__: it touches GPU, so later it's not usable for passthrough
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• 548[03:39:42] <__m4ch1n3__> refind boot manager provides some advanced boot configurations but it can brick your machine, use it only if you rly know what you are doing.
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• 553[03:41:25] <ghormoon> what can it do that wrong? mess up efi variables so bad that efi fails?
• 554[03:41:36] <__m4ch1n3__> if you have a additional onboard intel gpu you could also unblacklist modsetting driver
• 555[03:42:05] <danst> I've sent Linus email
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• 557[03:42:09] <danst> and it returned user is over quota
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• 559[03:42:57] <danst> ◕ ◡ ◕
• 560[03:43:26] <danst> do I use crontab now
• 561[03:44:08] <danst> __m4ch1n3__: I have two wonderful gpus: Nvidia GT1030 and Intel HD530
• 562[03:44:08] <_marshy> hey guys - does anyone happen to be familiar with xubuntu?2
• 563[03:44:19] <_marshy> just switched to it from debian -- having issues :|
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• 565[03:44:26] <danst> the goal is to passthrough GT1030 to os x, and HD530 to windows 10
• 566[03:44:48] <danst> it works great for both, but only 1 gpu can be used at a time
• 567[03:44:57] <danst> I can't use the GPU I'm booting with
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• 570[03:45:24] <ghormoon> do you need to boot to gui? when I was playing with this back then, I just booted it headless :D
• 571[03:45:40] <danst> I need to boot to nothing on display
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• 573[03:45:45] <danst> and I'm already doing that
• 574[03:45:48] <ghormoon> at least my board allowed me to dosable option rom on each pci slot, so I disabled all three
• 575[03:45:59] <danst> but efifb does SOMETHING with boot gpu, so it's not usable anymore
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• 577[03:46:26] <ghormoon> or when I did it on laptoip with radeon, I disabled all I can to boot bo 80*24 terminal which didn't break it much and it was possible to pass
• 578[03:46:45] <__m4ch1n3__> danst, i bet thats not an efi issue. would expect to be a X config and or GPU module config error
• 579[03:47:01] <danst> __m4ch1n3__: I don't have Xorg installed
• 580[03:47:11] <danst> __m4ch1n3__: gpu modules are not loading as well, they are blacklisted
• 581[03:47:21] <danst> __m4ch1n3__: everything is fine except that efifb
• 582[03:47:28] <ghormoon> does grub go into high resolution or not? I needed to force grub too to not initialize fb
• 583[03:47:35] <danst> I don't see grub at all
• 584[03:47:39] <danst> it's on zero timeout
• 585[03:47:54] <ghormoon> I'm not sure it it initializes at that point or not
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• 587[03:48:05] <danst> did you recompile grub?
• 588[03:48:18] <ghormoon> nope, it's some option in /etc/default/grub
• 589[03:48:24] <ghormoon> I'll check if I can pull it up from somewhere
• 590[03:48:26] <danst> video=efifb:off
• 591[03:48:30] <danst> not working
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• 595[03:49:44] <ghormoon> GRUB_TERMINAL=console maybe
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• 599[03:50:13] <danst> rebooting
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• 601[03:50:43] <ghormoon> too bad the old laptop is not connected to network anywhere now :D
• 602[03:50:52] <ghormoon> but maybe I've got it's image somewhere
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• 604[03:52:10] <ghormoon> yeah, it had the console and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nofb nomodeset modprobe.blacklist=radeon intel_iommu=on kvm-intel.nested=1 cgroup_enable=memory swapaccount=1 quiet"
• 605[03:52:53] <ghormoon> definitely nofb nomodeset are necessary + blacklist all the modules + console in grub
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• 607[03:53:39] <danst> will try to add nofb, that's missing
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• 609[03:53:57] <danst> uh no, it's present
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• 611[03:54:06] <danst> ghormoon: are you sure you were able to passthrough boot gpu?
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• 613[03:54:28] <ghormoon> yes, laptop had only one, no switching to intel (not present on board at all)
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• 617[03:54:41] <danst> which distro
• 618[03:54:48] <ghormoon> could boot to text console even, use the host for a while (decide which VM to pass to) and it somehow worked
• 619[03:54:51] <ghormoon> debian
• 620[03:54:56] <danst> 9?
• 621[03:55:04] <ghormoon> jessie back then with backported kernel (4.8 i think)
• 622[03:55:20] <danst> grub efi?
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• 625[03:56:14] <ghormoon> I'm not 100% sure if it wasn't in legacy mode back then
• 626[03:56:30] <ghormoon> but the laptop already had efi
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• 629[03:57:06] <danst> may I ask you to check if your image has efi partition with grub in it
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• 632[03:57:25] <ghormoon> hm, maybe it even worked with 3.16
• 633[03:57:35] <ghormoon> I don't have the boot part :(
• 634[03:57:42] <ghormoon> just zfs-send of the root fs
• 635[03:58:02] <danst> I will sing a sad song for a while
• 636[03:58:06] <danst> and think what to do next
• 637[03:58:06] <ghormoon> but I'm like 75% sure I had it in legacy mode
• 638[03:58:49] <danst> will ask on #grub probably
• 639[03:58:56] <danst> thank you for cooperation!
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• 643[04:00:41] <ghormoon> I'd try with the radeon as boot gpu, as they're often more permissive in this (not always and I didn't have that exact type ever), maybe try boot legacy mode if you can
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• 645[04:01:33] <ghormoon> do you have any useful errors in dmesg? or just black vm?
• 646[04:01:43] <danst> I have [ 0.102787] pci 0000:00:02.0: BAR 2: assigned to efifb
• 647[04:01:52] <danst> and then it cannot read bios from it
• 648[04:01:59] <ghormoon> can you unassign it?
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• 651[04:03:43] <ghormoon> I did this replaced-url
• 652[04:04:13] <ghormoon> you need it with long name like ./vfio-bind 0000:01:00.0
• 653[04:04:30] <danst> replaced-url
• 654[04:04:31] <ghormoon> 0000:00:02.0 in your case
• 655[04:04:39] <danst> then # echo 0000:00:02.0 > /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00\:02.0/driver/unbind
• 656[04:04:43] <danst> [ 9460.274818] vfio-pci 0000:00:02.0: vgaarb: changed VGA decodes: olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=io+mem:owns=io+mem
• 657[04:05:28] <ghormoon> not sure how vgaarb plais into this
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• 660[04:05:49] <danst> he always says something weird
• 661[04:05:59] <danst> I guess that means nothing wrong
• 662[04:06:14] <danst> owns mem
• 663[04:07:19] <ghormoon> going to reboot, maybe I break my laptop now :D
• 664[04:07:38] <danst> please irc us for any help
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• 667[04:08:38] <ghormoon> :))) i'm messing with kernels to hopefully have smaller issues with this darn wifi (I'm at airbnb place and there;s something very cranky, my laptoip never had issue with anything else than this, but once one packet get.s lost, things go downhill ...)
• 668[04:09:17] <danst> is that broadcom
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• 697[04:36:00] <ghormoon> ok, didn't expect THAT one :) switch from 4.9 to 4.18 went from selinux to apparmor, so it failed some services (like local bind etc.), so I switche dit to selinux, which made it relabel everything on boot and then next boot fail almost everytihng, so i had to o back to apparmor with apparmor=0 on the boot line to get it somehow working :D
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• 699[04:36:56] <ghormoon> neded then to add some firmwares to get all hw working and we'll see :)
• 700[04:37:14] <Ameisen> There's always something, ain't there.
• 701[04:37:33] <nsk_nyc> hello all, I was wondering if anyone has gotten their headphones with mic working? I've been fiddling around retask and seeing how windows handles the task, as it does recognize the mid when its pluggedin
• 702[04:37:35] <ghormoon> aaaant ... nothing changed ... (intel, iwlwifi)
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• 704[04:38:04] <ghormoon> maybe worse than before :D
• 705[04:38:05] <nsk_nyc> it uses realtek just like alsa does in linux.
• 706[04:38:36] <ghormoon> the ping spikes are the same, max speed of the wifi is 10% :D
• 707[04:38:48] <nsk_nyc> if I connect the headphones the output works just fine but the mic input comes from the laptop not headset
• 708[04:39:06] <ghormoon> gotta try rebooting back
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• 720[04:45:12] <ghormoon> hm, not getting back, maybe related to some of the firmwares which replaced for the old kernel too
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• 722[04:47:16] <ghormoon> ugh, can I force it to "dongrade" to stretch instead of stretch backports? apt-get install --reinstall -t stretch packagename doesn't do the trick, just reinstall the backported version
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• 724[04:50:07] <ryouma> remove it and install bp
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• 731[04:53:58] <ghormoon> hm, that was possible, but didn't help. I'm runnig out of ideas what else did change
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• 993[08:52:13] <PL7icnc> Question commandline ip change syntax hard to find
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• 995[08:53:09] <hruske> ?
• 996[08:53:09] <PL7icnc> streetch as os
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• 998[08:53:45] <PL7icnc> hsiktas, how is the syntax to change the ip manuell in stretch
• 999[08:53:54] <hruske> what ip
• 1000[08:54:04] <PL7icnc> ifconfig is no longer the favorite command
• 1001[08:54:12] <PL7icnc> eth0
• 1002[08:54:19] <hruske> ip addr add dev eth0
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• 1006[08:55:04] <hruske> man ip-address
• 1007[08:55:07] <hruske> should help a bit
• 1008[08:55:19] <PL7icnc> it is more confusing then helping
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• 1012[08:56:36] <hruske> eg. "ip addr add dev eth0 192.168.4.4/24" should add the 192.168.4.4 to eth0
• 1013[08:57:01] <PL7icnc> i see thanks
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• 1016[08:57:29] <PL7icnc> the addr is the command option but can be interpreded as the 192...
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• 1018[08:57:54] <PL7icnc> non native eng spelling
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• 1138[10:06:43] <jvava> syscall pwrite and write is process-safe?
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• 1162[10:19:02] <jvava> what's difference between pwrite and write?
• 1163[10:19:48] <rudi_s> man 2 pwrite vs. man 2 write?
• 1164[10:19:56] <rudi_s> What exactly are you asking?
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• 1168[10:22:10] <jvava> rudi_s, yes, I do
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• 1171[10:22:30] <jvava> but still not clear,
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• 1173[10:23:51] <jvava> pwrite is thread-safe, according the man, is it process-safe?
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• 1175[10:24:45] <jvava> thread-safe is not mentioned for write syscall
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• 1178[10:25:35] <jvava> but it say it copy lines from your terminal, can I know that as it is line-safe?
• 1179[10:25:42] <jvava> rudi_s
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• 1182[10:27:34] <rudi_s> jvava: What is "process-safe"? What is "line-safe". What are you actually trying to do?
• 1183[10:27:38] <rudi_s> !xy
• 1184[10:27:38] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 1185[10:27:47] <rudi_s> jvava: ^
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• 1194[10:31:39] <jvava> rudi_s, I am using java package logback, in several java process, the same log file is written. so I am thinking of that
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• 1199[10:32:04] <rudi_s> How is java related to write(2)/pwrite(2)?
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• 1204[10:32:18] <jvava> rudi_s, you know thread_safe?
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• 1207[10:32:45] <rudi_s> Yes.
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• 1211[10:33:15] <jvava> at last all write operations are calling syscall write/pwrite, right?
• 1212[10:33:49] <rudi_s> Well, yes. But just using pwrite() does not make concurrent access atomic.
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• 1215[10:34:37] <rudi_s> And using write() does not make it necessarily not atomic. It all depends on what you do.
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• 1217[10:34:45] <jvava> in other word, in different process pwriting the same file is not safe?
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• 1220[10:35:08] <rudi_s> As always, it depends on what the program is doing.
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• 1222[10:35:27] <rudi_s> jvava: But just because pwrite() is useful in threaded programs, doesn't mean it's relevant for parallel access from multiple programs.
• 1223[10:35:45] <rudi_s> All pwrite() does is to combine the offset and the write.
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• 1225[10:36:21] <rudi_s> Most likely logback uses O_APPEND when opening the file. Now if it uses a single write(2) to write the log message, then parallel operations from multiple programs is safe.
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• 1228[10:36:47] <rudi_s> But that is mostly unrelated to write/pwrite and depends on the implementation of the program and the exact behavior of the java stack below.
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• 1230[10:37:13] <jvava> great!
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• 1234[10:38:26] <jvava> logback have a option. In prudent mode, FileAppender will safely write to the specified file, even in the presence of other FileAppender instances running in different JVMs, potentially running on different hosts.
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• 1236[10:38:57] <rudi_s> Maybe .. I've never used it.
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• 1238[10:40:09] <jvava> thank you, rudi_s,
• 1239[10:40:50] <rudi_s> np
• 1240[10:41:02] <rudi_s> jvava: If you're curious what the program is doing, have a look at strace.
• 1241[10:41:07] <rudi_s> It shows the actual syscalls which are used.
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• 1301[11:25:36] <Phrk_> hello since last update i rebooted and now if i : root@hostname iptables -nvL ==> you must be root you don't have permission
• 1302[11:25:45] <Phrk_> any help since it's a firewall machine running debian
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• 1309[11:28:36] <petn-randall> Phrk_: What does `id` give you as output?
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• 1311[11:29:19] <Phrk_> petn-randall, uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groupes=0(root)
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• 1314[11:29:42] <Phrk_> it's very very weird
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• 1317[11:31:18] <nuxil> what if you use sudo ? same error ?
• 1318[11:31:57] <SerajewelKS> is this actually debian, or some debian-derived distro?
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• 1322[11:33:56] <Phrk_> yes nuxil
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• 1324[11:34:04] <Phrk_> pure debian minimal
• 1325[11:34:23] <Phrk_> no more than 120 packages installed
• 1326[11:34:40] <SerajewelKS> does lsmod show that the iptables kernel modules are even loaded?
• 1327[11:34:46] <petn-randall> !nuxil
• 1328[11:35:06] <SerajewelKS> petn-randall: nuxil asked a question, he was answering him
• 1329[11:35:13] <Phrk_> this : ip_tables 24576 0 ?
• 1330[11:35:25] <n4dir> i read somewhere something bout a change for "su" "su -" "su -l" and such, but i didn't read carefully and can't say more.
• 1331[11:35:28] <petn-randall> hehe, woops. Sorry nuxil!
• 1332[11:35:39] <SerajewelKS> Phrk_: the "?" is a bit worrying
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• 1335[11:36:01] <Phrk_> the ? is me
• 1336[11:36:05] <SerajewelKS> you should have a dozen or so iptables modules, then a dozen more nf_ modules
• 1337[11:36:12] <SerajewelKS> oh
• 1338[11:36:30] <SerajewelKS> is iptable_filter loaded?
• 1339[11:36:38] <Phrk_> no
• 1340[11:36:42] <SerajewelKS> because that should be listed as a dependency
• 1341[11:36:44] <SerajewelKS> hah there you go
• 1342[11:37:00] <SerajewelKS> iptables can't view the filter table because the kernel module for it isn't loaded
• 1343[11:37:16] <Phrk_> wow why it stop loading
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• 1346[11:37:36] <Phrk_> is there a way to see the correct that i ccan modprobe ?
• 1347[11:37:36] <SerajewelKS> good question :)
• 1348[11:37:47] <Phrk_> the correct names*
• 1349[11:37:48] <SerajewelKS> i mean you could just "modprobe iptable_filter"
• 1350[11:38:16] <SerajewelKS> but that doesn't answer the question of why they didn't load automatically
• 1351[11:38:17] <Phrk_> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'iptable_filter': Operation not permitted
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• 1353[11:38:23] <SerajewelKS> as root?
• 1354[11:38:27] <Phrk_> yes of course
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• 1356[11:38:42] <SerajewelKS> sounds like something else is very wrong...
• 1357[11:39:04] <SerajewelKS> i'd peek at dmesg and see if there's any errors in there
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• 1359[11:39:52] <SerajewelKS> i've not seen that particular error trying to load a kernel module as root. combined with it not loading automatically, this makes me wonder if there's not some hardware or filesystem damage, or something odd like that.
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• 1361[11:40:03] <Phrk_> also if i want to unload a dkms module i just modprobe -r ?
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• 1363[11:40:33] <SerajewelKS> yes, dkms modules aren't different from the perspective of the kernel, it's just how they get built
• 1364[11:40:34] <Phrk_> i already search for error in dmesg and journalctl
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• 1366[11:40:45] <SerajewelKS> hmm. i dunno what to tell you.
• 1367[11:40:47] <Phrk_> because maybe there is a module that can conflict
• 1368[11:40:57] <SerajewelKS> i gotta get to bed
• 1369[11:41:00] <Phrk_> but when i unload same : no permission
• 1370[11:41:19] <SerajewelKS> is this running on bare metal or in some hypervisor?
• 1371[11:41:24] <Phrk_> bare metal
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• 1373[11:41:42] <SerajewelKS> that's really odd then. something is wrong, but i couldn't tell you what.
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• 1376[11:41:51] <Phrk_> maybe new kernel bug
• 1377[11:42:11] <SerajewelKS> more likely to be corruption than a bug, TBH. what's `uname -a` say
• 1378[11:42:12] <Phrk_> how do you blacklist a kernel module ?
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• 1380[11:42:46] <Phrk_> Linux hostname 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1381[11:43:00] <SerajewelKS> hmm
• 1382[11:43:09] <SerajewelKS> same kernel i'm running on dozens of machines, none with this problem :/
• 1383[11:43:30] <diogenes_> Phrk_, place it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
• 1384[11:43:40] <diogenes_> then sudo update-initrd
• 1385[11:43:47] <diogenes_> sudo update-initrd -u
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• 1389[11:44:17] <SerajewelKS> i think you mean: update-initramfs -k all -u
• 1390[11:44:37] <SerajewelKS> i gotta go. good luck Phrk_
• 1391[11:44:53] <diogenes_> SerajewelKS, yes
• 1392[11:44:57] <diogenes_> thanks
• 1393[11:45:38] <dka> gpg: Signature made Thu Sep 6 21:59:09 2018 UTC using RSA key ID 5AE15600
• 1394[11:45:38] <dka> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
• 1395[11:45:49] <dka> I've just run
• 1396[11:45:51] <dka> url -SLO "replaced-url
• 1397[11:45:51] <dka> .xz" SHASUMS256.txt.asc SHASUMS256.txt && ln -s /usr/local/bin/node /usr/local/bin/nodejs
• 1398[11:46:00] <dka> this was working before, how can I get updated key?
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• 1477[12:42:04] <FinalX> ,v ntp
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• 1640[14:39:17] <radkos> hello, i need idea on how to generate supervised IO disk operations
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• 1649[14:40:44] <radkos> lets say i need to generate 30% utilization, then if i start two processes it will become 60%
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• 1651[14:40:49] <radkos> any idea on how to achieve that
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• 1653[14:41:42] <radkos> i've started script writing random numbers but disk cache manages to grab them and after a while it just doesn't generate io
• 1654[14:41:43] <jmosco> which debian room is best for some hardware help?
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• 1661[14:48:31] <petn-randall> jmosco: This channel, for architecture-specific issues there might be other channels.
• 1662[14:48:53] <petn-randall> radkos: stress-ng can generate disk I/O for you.
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• 1665[14:49:32] <Lambertini> hey guys, i tryng apache work with python, but i have this error, replaced-url
• 1666[14:49:39] <Lambertini> someone can help me?
• 1667[14:49:42] <greycat> jmosco: you can always start here, and if it goes past our skill set, we might be able to direct you to a more specialized channel
• 1668[14:49:50] <Lambertini> my virtualhosting replaced-url
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• 1672[14:51:05] <petn-randall> Lambertini: "ImportError: No module named 'django'"
• 1673[14:51:11] <petn-randall> Lambertini: Do you have django installed?
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• 1675[14:52:41] <Lambertini> petn-randall, yes i have
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• 1678[14:53:30] <Lambertini> >>> django.VERSION
• 1679[14:53:30] <Lambertini> (2, 0, 9, 'final', 0)
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• 1681[14:54:09] <bites> inside the virtualenv you are using?
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• 1683[14:55:27] <petn-randall> Lambertini: Then I'd try to find out why django isn't found in your wsgi.
• 1684[14:55:36] <radkos> petn-randall, can i manage the IOPS load
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• 1686[14:55:53] <bites> run source /var/replaced-url
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• 1688[14:56:01] <Lambertini> petn-randall, yes, idk for why not
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• 1693[14:57:03] <jmosco> im trying to get my thunderbolt docking station to work properly
• 1694[14:57:17] <jmosco> I use -testing, and have kernel 4.18.0
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• 1696[14:57:31] <jmosco> by working properly I mean being able to use 2 external monitors
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• 1747[15:26:34] <Iarfen> hi!
• 1748[15:26:43] <petn-randall> Hi Iarfen
• 1749[15:26:48] <Iarfen> how I can modify fstab?
• 1750[15:27:21] <xand> edit it
• 1751[15:27:54] <colo-work> $EDITOR /etc/fstab
• 1752[15:28:23] <joepublic> as root, specific example: nano /etc/fstab
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• 1758[15:33:01] <Iarfen> ok thanks
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• 1761[15:33:47] <joepublic> anything particular you want to put there, take out of there, or change there?
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• 1787[15:52:22] <jmosco> I even install the thunderbolt utilities
• 1788[15:52:24] <jmosco> im at a loss
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• 1791[15:54:09] <jmosco> even my damn bluetooth mouse constantly disconnects
• 1792[15:54:10] <jmosco> lol
• 1793[15:54:12] <jmosco> :(
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• 1799[15:56:02] <ViralTaco> hi
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• 1801[15:56:18] <ViralTaco> what's a mouse?
• 1802[15:56:45] <jmosco> hahaha
• 1803[15:57:02] <jmosco> only when Im docked do I even use this, but wow is it a PITA w
• 1804[15:57:14] <a417> is this on apple hardware?
• 1805[15:57:18] <jmosco> nope
• 1806[15:57:21] <jmosco> all lenovo
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• 1808[15:57:27] <ViralTaco> are you running a desktop environment
• 1809[15:57:28] <a417> ah ok
• 1810[15:57:43] <joepublic> mmm thinkpad
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• 1812[15:58:12] <jmosco> having weird troubles with bluetooth, and thunderbolt docking station
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• 1815[15:58:57] <a417> is it a broadcom bluetooth module?
• 1816[15:58:59] <joepublic> My thinkpad has no docking station. that would be cool, though.
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• 1819[15:59:58] <ViralTaco> I have a macbook
• 1820[16:00:09] <jmosco> input: ThinkPad Bluetooth Laser Mouse Mouse as /devices/virtual/misc/uhid/0005:17EF:6038.0003/input/input23
• 1821[16:00:24] <a417> so do I, MBP 5,5 on stretch
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• 1823[16:00:31] <joepublic> ViralTaco, your turing test scores are in. Currently you are in grave danger of failing.
• 1824[16:00:48] <ViralTaco> beep
• 1825[16:00:59] <a417> ATH0
• 1826[16:01:02] <a417> +++
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• 1858[16:16:15] <MWM> im trying to get usb to automount. Havent had any luck with usbmount, pmount or autofs. udev isnt giving any joy either
• 1859[16:16:38] <perplexity> gm, my network card requires non free firmware, im being prompted in debian 9's graphic install, in addition my mouse pointer isnt working in the install, ive been using the tab key to navigate through it until i was prompted with the aforementioned
• 1860[16:17:10] <shtrb> perplexity, you can use debian installer cds with non-free firmware
• 1861[16:17:22] <AlexNagy> perplexity, are you sure the usb port is good? I used a generic wireless mouse w/o any issue during my install (and am in fact still using it)
• 1862[16:17:37] <joepublic> I have been prompted for firmware for realtek cards that wasn't necessary. just fyi.
• 1863[16:19:06] <perplexity> AlexNagy: im not 100 percent sure. this is a laptop
• 1864[16:19:25] <shtrb> perplexity, a new one ?
• 1865[16:19:33] <perplexity> shtrb: yea its prompting me to install non free firmware
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• 1868[16:19:40] <perplexity> shtrb: yes a new dell
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• 1870[16:19:57] <shtrb> there was an open bug against some Lenovo touchpads few weeks ago
• 1871[16:20:42] <shtrb> perplexity, you can continue the installation (assuming you will have another network interface that you could use) and install the needed firmware later
• 1872[16:20:50] <shtrb> !cdimage
• 1873[16:20:51] <dpkg> [iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at replaced-url
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• 1875[16:20:54] <_2E0LNX> Af'noon all. I am wanting to run a 40gb Mellanox card in a Debian system. Does anyone happen to know which package I might need installed to facilitate this?
• 1876[16:21:00] <perplexity> shtrb: no alternate network interface
• 1877[16:21:04] <shtrb> !unoffical
• 1878[16:21:17] <shtrb> !unofficial
• 1879[16:21:17] <dpkg> External package repositories are listed at replaced-url
• 1880[16:21:38] <shtrb> 2#%@#F@# , let me find you the non free cd image
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• 1883[16:21:56] <perplexity> shtrb: i truly appreciate it
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• 1889[16:25:25] <shtrb> replaced-url
• 1890[16:25:27] <shtrb> perplexity, ^
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• 1893[16:25:50] <heller> hey guys
• 1894[16:25:58] <shtrb> that have most non free firmware that are commenly used
• 1895[16:26:01] <shtrb> hi heller
• 1896[16:26:03] <heller> what do expect when upgrading from jessie to something?
• 1897[16:26:14] <perplexity> thanks so much man
• 1898[16:26:20] <shtrb> headache
• 1899[16:26:20] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1900[16:26:23] <perplexity> ill update you accordingly
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• 1906[16:26:57] <shtrb> heller, replaced-url
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• 1913[16:30:10] <shtrb> Hi, can someone please link what's new in stretch to replaced-url
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• 1916[16:31:47] <greycat> ... what?
• 1917[16:32:20] <shtrb> to add a link in replaced-url
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• 1920[16:32:55] <greycat> It already links to the official stretch release notes.
• 1921[16:33:20] <greycat> Is it hard to find the "ch-upgrading" page from there?
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• 1931[16:36:59] <perplexity> shtrb: dude after burning the images, i just realized there is no cdrom drive in this new laptop
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• 1933[16:37:05] <perplexity> wow, how silly of me
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• 1936[16:37:37] <perplexity> idk how im going to do this now
• 1937[16:37:40] <shtrb> yes , I didn't see it for instance
• 1938[16:37:42] <greycat> ch-upgrading is chapter 4, so you just have to follow the right-arrow twice
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• 1940[16:38:18] <greycat> that said, if you think it would be helpful for the wiki to link to BOTH of those chapters of the release notes, it's a wiki.
• 1941[16:39:09] <perplexity> doesnt look like ill be installing debian on this system
• 1942[16:39:09] <shtrb> perplexity, you can install on a usb
• 1943[16:39:29] <joepublic> there's no floppy drive either. no way to install then!
• 1944[16:39:31] <shtrb> perplexity, and over PXE
• 1945[16:39:55] <shtrb> joke on you, you can get a floppy over usb
• 1946[16:39:57] <perplexity> yea, i have to go purchase an additional one. the current one is in use for the deb install
• 1947[16:40:32] <shtrb> no need, you can install debian from a usb drive (and even from an MMC)
• 1948[16:40:39] <joepublic> shtrb, yeah but, then it's a usb storage device that takes floppy disks, not really a boot floppy
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• 1951[16:41:32] <perplexity> shtrb: huh? no need to purchase an additional usb? the current one im using to install the main deb system
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• 1955[16:42:30] <joepublic> perplexed one, I am thinking the thing you burned is an installer plus what it needs so it doesn't ask -- not the thing it'
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• 1957[16:42:33] <joepublic> it's asking for
• 1958[16:43:06] <joepublic> if so, blow away your one and only usb stick, start your install over, and have more success.
• 1959[16:43:40] <perplexity> im currently booting into my debian install with a usb stick
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• 1961[16:43:57] <perplexity> my install is asking for non free firmware
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• 1963[16:44:16] <perplexity> im trying to figure out how to install this firmware being as though my cdrom drive is non existent
• 1964[16:44:37] <joepublic> yes. you are using an installer with no firmware. this other thing you have is an installer with firmware built-in.
• 1965[16:44:44] <perplexity> i dont have an additional usb drive. and ive never used pxe, if it isnt difficult to initiate, ill try that
• 1966[16:44:45] <shtrb> perplexity, you overwrite this usb device with a non free image (like I gave you)
• 1967[16:44:53] <perplexity> ohhhh
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• 1969[16:45:21] <perplexity> heh, but that image is just non free firmware correct? not the actual debian install iso with firemware included.
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• 1971[16:45:40] <joepublic> it is the installer + non-free firmware packages
• 1972[16:45:44] <shtrb> it's the installer WITH the non free stuff
• 1973[16:45:52] <perplexity> ok beautiful
• 1974[16:46:04] <perplexity> i apologize for my ignorance, i completely misunderstood you guys
• 1975[16:46:09] <perplexity> thanks so much
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• 1977[16:46:21] <shtrb> !next
• 1978[16:46:21] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 1979[16:46:24] <joepublic> everyone here is or was equally ignorant. that's just how it works.
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• 2003[16:56:00] <perplexity> joepublic, shtrb: same issue booting from the firmware net install iso
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• 2005[16:56:03] <Ede|Popede> just shown in htop: "Load average: 5.33 3.34 1.56" (now "0.22 1.55 1.22") - after the system not being responsive for a couple of seconds while doing postinstall for singularity. was enough to kick me off irc completely. is this known to eventually happen or any idea what could demand the system that much?
• 2006[16:56:26] <shtrb> what laptop are you trying to use ?
• 2007[16:56:40] <shtrb> or lspci + lsusb so we could google around
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• 2013[16:58:31] <perplexity> shtrb: dell inspiron i7 700 series
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• 2015[16:58:36] <perplexity> 7000 rather
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• 2020[16:59:12] <shtrb> I'm running from 7400, I will check the difference
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• 2024[17:01:03] <perplexity> yep, dell inspiron 17 7000, 2-in-1
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• 2026[17:01:13] <jken> Hello, I am having an issue with a watchdog device. It's in an intel compute stick and uses the iTCO_wdt driver, I'm running a kernel I compiled (4.20-rc4) with the iTCO_wdt driver compiled in. Confirmed via dmesg it gets initialized with a heardbeat of 30seconds, however, the watchdog does not power cycle the device after I trigger a kernel panic via /proc/sysrq-trigger. Can anyone help me figure this out?
• 2027[17:01:27] <shtrb> perplexity, by the specs it has an extractable ethernet card
• 2028[17:01:58] <Wulf> Hi. Where can I find documentation for the contents of debian archives? E.g. there is a "Release" file or "main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz" etc.
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• 2030[17:02:25] <perplexity> shtrb: hmm, havent noticed such
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• 2032[17:02:39] <perplexity> extractable as in easily removable?
• 2033[17:02:44] <shtrb> sorry , I looked on the 15" not on the 17"
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• 2035[17:02:55] <shtrb> no, you just need to pull it and plug an ethernet cable in
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• 2038[17:03:31] <perplexity> i was using the wifi, ill hook the ethernet up
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• 2043[17:05:07] <perplexity> shtrb: yea idont see the ethernet port but its not recognizing my network card anyhow\
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• 2045[17:05:50] <shtrb> again , sorry , I was looking at the 15" and not 17" model
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• 2048[17:06:53] <perplexity> ohh alright
• 2049[17:07:11] <perplexity> shtrb: wow, i didnt even notice this lappy has no ethernet port either however
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• 2051[17:07:44] <glaucom> huheuhe lol
• 2052[17:07:46] <shtrb> wait, does it come with the dell e-dock and the station ? because the station might have ethernet
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• 2054[17:08:03] <perplexity> shtrb: nope didnt come with the dock.
• 2055[17:08:04] <glaucom> new bug libreoffice no works transitions from ppsx from windows
• 2056[17:08:29] <shtrb> also remove the battery, sometimes there is a sieera 3G modme there
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• 2059[17:08:46] <joepublic> ppsx from other sources work fine, it just does not transitions from ppsx from windows?
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• 2065[17:09:45] <shtrb> perplexity, Is running testing an option for you ?
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• 2068[17:10:29] <perplexity> shtrb: honestly i wouldnt mind
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• 2070[17:11:05] <shtrb> your wifi card is AC I suspect it to be iwlwifi (the newer modules)
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• 2072[17:11:56] <perplexity> shtrb: indeed it says iwlwifi-7265D-26.ucode
• 2073[17:12:02] <Wulf> never mind, found replaced-url
• 2074[17:12:02] <simpledat> Why are debian not using the latest kernel 4.19 ?
• 2075[17:12:04] <perplexity> in my install
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• 2077[17:12:23] <shtrb> simpledat, that's a question for debian-next
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• 2079[17:12:55] <simpledat> shtrb: what do you mean?
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• 2084[17:13:35] <shtrb> perplexity, I think you are out of luck you can manually download that driver (after installation) as I don't see it anywhere
• 2085[17:13:37] <shtrb> ,v iwlwifi-7265D-26.ucode
• 2086[17:13:38] <judd> No package named 'iwlwifi-7265D-26.ucode' was found in amd64.
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• 2088[17:13:42] <shtrb> ,file iwlwifi-7265D-26.ucode
• 2089[17:13:47] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 2092[17:14:01] <joepublic> simpledat, this is the channel for debian stable, which does not have the "latest" anything by definition.
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• 2096[17:14:29] <simpledat> joepublic: oh ok, so the latest is not stable enough?
• 2097[17:14:31] <shtrb> perplexity, your driver was not packaged yet by any debian flavor
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• 2099[17:14:56] <perplexity> wow that sucks
• 2100[17:15:04] <joepublic> simpledat, no one yet knows. (Though I would guess "no" from the ext4 problems people are having)
• 2101[17:15:09] <shtrb> you can manually download it from intel website post install
• 2102[17:15:30] <joepublic> the debian-next folks are on 4.18 and if you go there, you can ask them why not 4.19 or 4.20-rc-something.
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• 2105[17:15:42] <perplexity> shtrb: however how can i initiate the download without my network card
• 2106[17:15:59] <perplexity> burn it to a usb and install from there?
• 2107[17:16:08] <simpledat> joepublic: I understand, no I use stable.
• 2108[17:16:11] <simpledat> Thanks
• 2109[17:16:57] <joepublic> simpledat, if you wanted, you could compile 4.19 and install it.
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• 2112[17:17:51] <simpledat> joepublic: Are there any advantages by doing that?
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• 2114[17:18:48] <joepublic> simpledat, not really much unless you specifically need something that the newer kernel version provides, no.
• 2115[17:19:03] <simpledat> Ok
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• 2120[17:22:14] <shtrb> perplexity, you can inject that file into the installer
• 2121[17:22:24] <shtrb> if you are techsavvy enough
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• 2123[17:22:49] <shtrb> or open a bug, with a link to that file and someone may try to patch it
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• 2129[17:24:45] <perplexity> shtrb: lead me to the documentation which details injection
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• 2131[17:25:10] <perplexity> shtrb: ill definitely open a bug and simply run ubuntu until it gets patched or i figure out a method
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• 2134[17:25:27] <shtrb> this file exists in ubuntu ?
• 2135[17:26:37] <perplexity> no idea im gonna try booting into the install now
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• 2150[17:31:44] <shtrb> perplexity, FYI replaced-url
• 2151[17:31:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2154[17:34:53] <perplexity> shtrb: so testing does have it?
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• 2156[17:35:12] <shtrb> not acroding to judd
• 2157[17:35:33] <shtrb> this file was not released yet (you need to manually get it from intel)
• 2158[17:35:40] <shtrb> the firmware only
• 2159[17:35:52] <perplexity> i see
• 2160[17:36:22] <shtrb> maybe osmeone with more knowledge will have a better suggestion
• 2161[17:36:32] <perplexity> but ill have to do that post install, hmm, do you think i could save the file to a usb after install then install it like that?
• 2162[17:36:52] <shtrb> you could
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• 2167[17:39:07] <shtrb> wait I might missunderstood the bug repotrt, maybe you could try a newer kernel (and testing)
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• 2169[17:42:10] <perplexity> shtrb: hmm
• 2170[17:42:23] <perplexity> shtrb: you think so?
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• 2172[17:43:19] <shtrb> I didn't have my morning tea so It could be that bug #857198 and others mean that old kernel incorrectly try to load incorrect iwlwifi firmware
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• 2174[17:45:01] <shtrb> perplexity, but you will need to use a nonfree installer (for debian testing)
• 2175[17:45:34] <perplexity> shtrb: how stable is testing for basic system use?
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• 2181[17:47:01] <perplexity> debian testing is the weekly builds
• 2182[17:47:06] <perplexity> ok let me try it
• 2183[17:47:56] <maeud> Can anyone please tell me why I'm getting this error: replaced-url
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• 2185[17:48:17] <jelly> perplexity: it will sone become less stable, when the freeze hits
• 2186[17:48:27] <jelly> soon*
• 2187[17:48:58] <shtrb> how does freeze make testing less stable ?
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• 2193[17:51:50] <jelly> shtrb: things get temporarily broken or uninstallable to fix other issues
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• 2195[17:52:05] <shtrb> ahh
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• 2238[18:13:52] <HD|Laptop> hello everyone. I have a machine here, where "host $hostname" returns NXDOMAIN, a "dig $HOSTNAME" however returns the expected A record
• 2239[18:14:36] <HD|Laptop> $HOSTNAME is not in /etc/hosts, and in /etc/resolv.conf there is only one resolver. When I query it using "dig $HOSTNAME @$RESOLVER", it works too
• 2240[18:14:50] <HD|Laptop> I tried a restart to wipe any cache but still doesn't work
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• 2244[18:17:53] <HD|Laptop> "getent hosts $HOSTNAME" doesn't work either
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• 2246[18:18:14] <HD|Laptop> in nsswitch.conf it says hosts: files dns
• 2247[18:18:31] <HD|Laptop> what in blazes does not work here?
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• 2266[18:31:20] <nemo> HD|Laptop: could you possibly have some sort of IPv4 / IPv6 inconsistency?
• 2267[18:31:39] <nemo> HD|Laptop: also, I guess if you were desperate could try like ltrace -S host myhost to see wth it is doing
• 2268[18:32:04] <nemo> HD|Laptop: anything beyond that, no idea. some systemd thing?
• 2269[18:33:36] <amikot40> Hello everyone, I have "bash" question, if there is someone who would be so nice, I will be gratefull. Here is the code: replaced-url
• 2270[18:34:59] <rany> amikot40: what's your question?
• 2271[18:35:05] <amikot40> this is bash command that in a loop is running few commands - all result of commands from loop are sorted by first grep and redirection to log file. But I was trying to catch also PID into the file
• 2272[18:35:53] <amikot40> Pid is displayed after I run this comand - in next line
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• 2275[18:36:27] <amikot40> in brackets, so I did try second grep with regular expression to filter digits only.
• 2276[18:36:30] <HD|Laptop> nemo: you mean strace?
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• 2278[18:37:32] <nemo> HD|Laptop: no
• 2279[18:38:04] <nemo> amikot40: #bash 😉
• 2280[18:38:14] <greycat> :(
• 2281[18:38:39] <nemo> greycat: what 😃 it's your domain
• 2282[18:38:41] <joepublic> amikot40, try putting the results all on one line. Pointers -> replaced-url
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• 2284[18:39:36] <greycat> You're probably correct to direct him/her to #bash, but given the non-question here, I can't imagine a good outcome in ANY channel.
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• 2287[18:39:53] <nemo> greycat: well, containment😝
• 2288[18:39:57] <greycat> Then again, sometimes there might be someone who's actually willing to look at someone's unsolicited crap-paste and try to guess what they want.
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• 2290[18:40:38] <joepublic> I am trying to think of a way to solve it using cat and pipes
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• 2292[18:40:52] <HD|Laptop> nemo: replaced-url
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• 2299[18:41:31] <joepublic> maybe I will start a rumor that appending " |cat " before any stdout redirection "ensures clean transfer" or something
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• 2301[18:42:30] <amikot40> joepublic: every time when I'm using | second time, Im getting error: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `|'
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• 2304[18:43:05] <joepublic> okay amikot40, I'll bite, paste that shell interaction somewhere?
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• 2306[18:43:28] <nemo> HD|Laptop: what the heck... is that openssl.cnf in the file handle 6???
• 2307[18:44:02] <nemo> seems like it
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• 2318[18:47:11] <amikot40> joepublic: replaced-url
• 2319[18:47:36] <HD|Laptop> nemo: per an strace run, yes
• 2320[18:47:36] <HD|Laptop> openat(AT_FDCWD, "/usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf", O_RDONLY) = 6
• 2321[18:47:41] <joepublic> you are trying to pipe after you redirect. you want to pipe first, then redirect
• 2322[18:47:54] <HD|Laptop> then it opens openat(AT_FDCWD, "/etc/resolv.conf", O_RDONLY) = 6
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• 2324[18:49:33] <joepublic> wait, you are trying to pipe the same thing to ways two places. that's not going to work no matter how much you hammer on it.
• 2325[18:49:39] <shtrb> amikot40, a naive option would be PIDS=("$(ps a | grep Geronimo | cut -d' ' -f1)")
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• 2329[18:50:10] <HD|Laptop> joepublic: hmm piping the same thing to two places works using tee, at least if one is a file...
• 2330[18:50:18] <HD|Laptop> no idea though if tee can work with two fd's
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• 2333[18:50:40] <joepublic> HD|Laptop, it's not the same thing - he wants to output something and grep one thing > this and grep something else > that
• 2334[18:51:03] <shtrb> amikot40, why the one liner ? why not a sane file ?
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• 2336[18:51:51] <amikot40> dont know :D
• 2337[18:52:06] <nemo> HD|Laptop: weird. I wonder why your ltrace didn't show the open
• 2338[18:52:07] <nemo> it should have
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• 2340[18:52:12] <nemo> SYS_open("/usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf", 0, 0666) = 6
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• 2342[18:52:15] <nemo> SYS_fstat(6, 0x7ffee9fd05f0) = 0
• 2343[18:52:18] <nemo> HD|Laptop: ↑ mine
• 2344[18:52:34] <nemo> HD|Laptop: and yeah, I've gotten into the habit of using ltrace -S since it gets me both the syscalls and library calls
• 2345[18:52:39] <amikot40> btw the target PID is not pid of Geronimo, but pid of bash running loop, as Geronimo pid is growing while loop is running.
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• 2351[18:53:01] <joepublic> amikot40, how about a description of what you want to do.
• 2352[18:53:26] <joepublic> one starting with "my goal is", not "I want to accomplish some unstated goal the following way"
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• 2354[18:53:33] <shtrb> amikot40, separate to several steps and you will have an easy way to work (you can extract a pid as I just showed you here)
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• 2356[18:53:52] <amikot40> I need to run php script in a loop and pipe result to log file but I want to get a handle to kill the process if needed
• 2357[18:54:10] <greycat> there it is.
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• 2364[18:57:46] <HD|Laptop> nemo: it does. SYS_openat(0xffffff9c, 0x557a833823f8, 0, 0) = 6
• 2365[18:59:03] <joepublic> I am assuming there some reason that kill $(ps a|grep creator.php|awk '{print $1}') is not applicable to your case? more than one running, or somethine?
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• 2368[19:00:45] <amikot40> Hmm Im not sure it is running all the time
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• 2370[19:01:09] <amikot40> sometimes it may be on a sleep stage - than creator.php is not running
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• 2372[19:01:15] <greycat> joepublic: ... this is why I /ignored.
• 2373[19:01:45] <joepublic> so, when it sleeps, it doesn't have a pid anymore?
• 2374[19:02:23] <joepublic> because, if so, then there is some environment beyond my understanding in which bash can be run.
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• 2379[19:03:59] <__m4ch1n3__> #secret-hidden-nsa-enviroment
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• 2382[19:04:17] <amikot40> I dont know but when I did run "ps a | grep Geronimo | cut -d' ' -f1" - I was getting different PID every time
• 2383[19:04:23] <joepublic> careful, __m4ch1n3__ , they can hear you
• 2384[19:04:29] <greycat> We have an entire document dedicated to ProcessManagement. It's tremendously long and detailed. It covers concepts and implementation. It is FAR from complete, and far from perfect. And yet, I'm not even going to offer it up here. I know that the person in question is so deep in the layers of ignorance that they won't even attempt to read it, let alone understand it.
• 2385[19:04:39] <__m4ch1n3__> ps bla | grep == pgrep bla
• 2386[19:05:00] <__m4ch1n3__> ps a | grep bla == pgrep bla
• 2387[19:05:01] <nemo> greycat: I'm kinda puzzled how folks like that end up in a channel like #debian - was it just 'cause that's what the server was running and some google search linked here?
• 2388[19:05:03] <__m4ch1n3__> sry
• 2389[19:05:10] <__m4ch1n3__> there is also pkill
• 2390[19:05:23] <jelly> amikot40: if you're able to edit the php, why not make the main loop in there.
• 2391[19:05:24] <__m4ch1n3__> its like kill and grep
• 2392[19:05:32] <joepublic> fair enough, the creator.php is running within the loop, but you want to kill the loop and that won't give you its pid.
• 2393[19:05:35] <greycat> nemo: you can ask. I doubt you will get a coherent answer. It's a PHP user asking "bash questions". I /ignore such users immediately.
• 2394[19:06:03] <jelly> it's an interpreted language as much as shell is
• 2395[19:06:10] <joepublic> "bash questions" of course usually means "something to do with any posix shell, or any shell"
• 2396[19:06:15] <nemo> neither php nor bash being in scope for here apart from "missing package dependency" or something
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• 2398[19:06:25] <__m4ch1n3__> omg there is a black suv in the street
• 2399[19:06:28] <nemo> or "weird debian configuration choices for apache"
• 2400[19:06:30] <greycat> In this case, it's not about the language or its good or bad points. It's about the type of person who asks a certain type of question in certain places.
• 2401[19:06:35] <amikot40> jelly: good question, I forgot that in shell script is not time limited
• 2402[19:06:41] <jelly> nemo: we do sometimes answer questions about running stuff on debian.
• 2403[19:07:01] <nemo> jelly: sure, but I bet it isn't so much development questions
• 2404[19:07:13] <nemo> unless the channel is bored
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• 2406[19:07:15] <nemo> like joe is
• 2407[19:07:32] <greycat> In this case, the actual underlying question appears to be "How do processes work, and how do I construct a working multiple-process solution?"
• 2408[19:07:39] <jelly> is writing a single while loop development?
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• 2410[19:08:13] <joepublic> greycat, sometimes it's good to help just in case it's one of "today's lucky xkcd ten thousand"
• 2411[19:08:14] <jelly> I've been using unices or linux for 20+ years and I still don't know how processes work.
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• 2413[19:09:02] <joepublic> since the chances are not all that high, you have to add optimism to that chance.
• 2414[19:09:30] <nemo> jelly: well... forking keeps changing ☺
• 2415[19:09:46] <__m4ch1n3__> optimis not found
• 2416[19:09:55] <__m4ch1n3__> *optimism
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• 2418[19:10:12] <joepublic> used to be if you open a terminal, do "some-service &", close terminal, that some-service would just die.
• 2419[19:10:49] <jelly> and that's fine, because that's not how you start services
• 2420[19:10:53] <greycat> That was how System V did it, yes.
• 2421[19:11:00] <greycat> In BSD, that stopped happening.
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• 2423[19:11:13] <jelly> they invented HUP?
• 2424[19:11:17] <joepublic> it's not to do with fine or not fine, it's just a subtle change in process handling.
• 2425[19:11:52] <joepublic> you can do some-jelly-approved-process & instead if you want.
• 2426[19:12:02] <jelly> process groups is one of the things I know almost nothing about.
• 2427[19:12:31] <greycat> For years, I had no idea why the nohup command really existed. It didn't seem to do anything. Only this year did I see a document from an HP engineer who was describing the differences between process management in sysv and bsd, and I was like ... hey! So THAT's why!
• 2428[19:13:08] <jelly> and systemd reminded people of that, by killing screens!
• 2429[19:13:13] <nemo> heh
• 2430[19:14:10] <nemo> jelly: didn't systemd break nohup? did they fix that?
• 2431[19:14:32] <nemo> jelly: not sorta thing I'd ordinarily care much about since there's no systemd around here right now, but could be good to know.
• 2432[19:15:02] <jelly> my screens work now, so whatever used to be broken isn't, or there's a workaround in place
• 2433[19:15:12] <nemo> maybe there's some whitelist
• 2434[19:15:16] <nemo> and hopefully nohup is on it
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• 2436[19:15:38] <greycat> systemd has nothing to do with any of this.
• 2437[19:16:33] <nemo> I figured jelly was referring to replaced-url
• 2438[19:16:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2440[19:17:14] <nemo> jelly: ah. it's controlled at the user level. interesting
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• 2442[19:17:29] <nemo> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2444[19:17:46] <nemo> well. something to keep in mind if ever I'm on such a system
• 2445[19:17:59] <greycat> ... ok, systemd wasn't *supposed* to have anything to do with this, but apparently for a brief time they decided to implement the SysV model.
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• 2449[19:18:23] <joepublic> I think it's bash that has nothing to do with it.
• 2450[19:18:32] <nemo> greycat: if they'd implemented sysv surely nohup/screen/tmux would have worked
• 2451[19:18:41] <nemo> seems to be they implemented something a bit different..
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• 2454[19:19:11] <greycat> Under the SysV model as I was describing a while ago, every process started as a child of login got killed upon logout. That's why nohup was invented: to let users run things that could survive.
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• 2457[19:19:31] <nemo> greycat: right... only it didn't work with systemd - so clearly they were not doing the same thing.
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• 2459[19:19:44] <nemo> there was no way to tag processes for survival
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• 2461[19:19:53] <nemo> isntead from comment #20 seems it is done at the user level
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• 2463[19:20:07] <greycat> nemo: according to this bug, this was a NEW behavior added in systemd version 230
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• 2469[19:22:40] <nemo> greycat: ok. wasn't disagreeing with it being new, just that it didn't seem to work same as sysv at all since you couldn't override it as easily as a nohup command
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• 2471[19:22:49] <nemo> greycat: but it seems to have been reverted in debian anyway.
• 2472[19:22:58] <dr4ken> folks, i have a debian 8 32 bit install that when i try to boot it it doesnt show me GRUB and the cursos keeps blinking
• 2473[19:23:00] <nemo> greycat: I guess you mean there was some earlier more sysv-like variant?
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• 2476[19:23:21] <greycat> ... I give up. I'm closing this bug report tab and not having any more of this conversation.
• 2477[19:23:25] <nemo> :/
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• 2481[19:23:44] <dr4ken> i already chrooted into it from another debian, and did an update-grub there , but still it doesnt show grub
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• 2486[19:24:37] <nemo> did not mean to upset you. but anyway. I guess I'm missing some subtlety of it. at least jelly and I seemed to be on same page. ah well.
• 2487[19:25:32] <nemo> dr4ken: some EFI/legacy thing maybe?
• 2488[19:25:35] <dr4ken> any suggestions folks?
• 2489[19:25:50] <dr4ken> nemo, bios legacy install
• 2490[19:26:06] <nemo> dr4ken: ok. you sure it is legacy and bios is aware it is legacy? ☺
• 2491[19:26:19] <nemo> and partitions didn't get mangled by, oh, windows or something?
• 2492[19:26:24] <dr4ken> nemo, yeah, because is what runs my other debian instance in a complete diffferent hdd
• 2493[19:26:45] <dr4ken> nemo, nah, that instance is in it's own hdd
• 2494[19:27:01] <nemo> dr4ken: changed HD uids recently or something?
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• 2497[19:27:17] <dr4ken> nemo, nope, fresh new install
• 2498[19:27:32] <dr4ken> and for some reason, my GRUB in my main debian doesnt recognize that HDD
• 2499[19:27:45] <dr4ken> i just checked that last part
• 2500[19:28:33] <nemo> dr4ken: oh. you're trying to boot into drive #2 from grub on drive #1?
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• 2503[19:29:27] <dr4ken> nemo, no, im trying to boot into drive #2 from grub #2, but i just realized that i did a update-grub on my drive #1 and it didnt recongnized the other instance
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• 2506[19:30:21] <dr4ken> is there a way of installing the whole boot/grub part again of a debian install from chroot?
• 2507[19:30:46] <nemo> grub-install I guess ☺
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• 2509[19:30:56] <dr4ken> because when i was installing debian #2, and i got asked "where i wanted the grub" i selected specifically #2 disk
• 2510[19:31:04] <dr4ken> nemo, ty, gonna try that from chroot and test
• 2511[19:31:19] <nemo> dr4ken: might want to browse the grub.cfg in that chroot before firing it up just to see if it looks sane
• 2512[19:31:24] <nemo> and perhaps for a before/after diff
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• 2517[19:36:01] <dr4ken> nemo, how can i specify the volume or drive in grub-install
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• 2522[19:38:18] <dr4ken> nvm i foudn it
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• 2526[19:39:34] <glaucom> wtf
• 2527[19:39:43] <glaucom> libreoffice impress no works transitions slide ?
• 2528[19:40:05] <glaucom> i have ppt automatic slide transition
• 2529[19:40:11] <glaucom> no works on libre office@@
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• 2532[19:42:48] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub
• 2533[19:42:49] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 2550[19:50:11] <Ede|Popede> glaucom, like here? replaced-url
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• 2608[20:27:23] <glaucom> Ede|Popede i need with script bash :)
• 2609[20:27:39] <glaucom> same error with open normal
• 2610[20:27:52] <glaucom> if i create ppt on windows, transition no work on line
• 2611[20:27:54] <glaucom> linux
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• 2614[20:30:05] <joepublic> the world of slide transitions and coverting ppt(x) is kind of hit or miss. There is no reason to expect that a ppt(x) created in software other than LibreOffice will work perfectly feature for feature in LibreOffice (other than general hopefulness).
• 2615[20:30:49] <joepublic> They certainly aim for that, and they would probably appreciate a bug report that includes a simple document displaying the problem if the bug isn't already listed.
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• 2617[20:33:17] <glaucom> you can search if have anyone reported bug ?
• 2618[20:33:44] <glaucom> I use translator, I do not know how I would look for this bug.
• 2619[20:34:18] <joepublic> it is possible that their bug tracker will help, replaced-url
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• 2623[20:35:27] <anikras> hid3, I have a public and private ssh keys, but I don't remember the passsword
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• 2625[20:36:19] <anikras> do you know if I have any posibilities to recovery the password ? Do you know if I need to delete and create a new public and private keys ?
• 2626[20:36:22] <murii> "top" shows memory usage in bytes?
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• 2629[20:37:13] <jhutchins_wk> anikras: By design it is very difficult or impossible to extract or re-create the passwords.
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• 2631[20:37:28] <jhutchins_wk> anikras: Now would be a good time to look at something like keepass2.
• 2632[20:37:31] <joepublic> murii, the "E" key cycles units of measure I believe
• 2633[20:38:13] <anikras> okdana, I need to create a new public and private keys
• 2634[20:38:33] <okdana> oic
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• 2636[20:38:56] <anikras> sorry okdana,
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• 2653[20:45:14] <Ojd_> any suggestion of what to do for the debian installer to identify ssd?
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• 2655[20:45:25] <xata> Hello. Where do i read about debian package version comparsion algorithm?
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• 2657[20:45:42] <Ojd_> I have been looking for several options but I couldn't complete the installation
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• 2659[20:45:56] <Ede|Popede> joepublic: would you even call an office package necessary for a slide show if there's no need for some special features? i discovered w3c's slidy nearly a decade ago and now there are masses of similar (and more versatile) packages. and: we have HTML5/CSS3 now. nice playground :)
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• 2663[20:46:55] <murii> joepublic: indeed,ty
• 2664[20:47:01] <joepublic> Every time I host an event with speakers, somebody brings a ppt(x).
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• 2666[20:47:44] <Ede|Popede> xata: like this? replaced-url
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• 2672[20:48:30] <Ede|Popede> joepublic: you should make them bring their own desktop pc in this case ;)
• 2673[20:49:00] <joepublic> I can't even get people to submit their presentation in advance.
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• 2675[20:49:04] <xata> Ede|Popede, yup, thanks
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• 2682[20:51:26] <Tenkawa> man running Debian in Windows WSL is surreal
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• 2684[20:51:44] <Tenkawa> i wonder if its going to deprecate cygwin
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• 2689[20:52:50] <joepublic> cygwin doesn't chain your neck to windows drm and telemetry as a component of its fundamental being, as opposed to windows itself including WSL doing so, so I hope it will not meaningfully do so
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• 2691[20:53:17] <Tenkawa> joepublic: meh .. it works
• 2692[20:53:34] <joepublic> I have tried it; I find the same, it works very well.
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• 2694[20:53:49] <Olof_szary> Hello all. I have a wired problem with xfce + screenlock. It seems that sometimes during screenlock my computer freezes. I set up a HDD format command to run overnight only to see that nothing happened when I was asleep. What may be wrong with my config
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• 2696[20:54:00] <Tenkawa> I like it so far personally
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• 2700[20:54:39] <Tenkawa> Olof_szary: need more details please
• 2701[20:55:12] <Tenkawa> thats very little information to work with
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• 2707[20:57:06] <xedniv> hi, i just had this issue replaced-url
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• 2709[20:57:38] <Tenkawa> joepublic: fun part is going to be seeing if I can still access my usb to gpio console for my pi
• 2710[20:57:39] <Olof_szary> Tenkawa: what kind? Xfce 4.12.4. It seems that most task in command line gets frozen (system hibernates?) if mouse/heyboard is not touched for long time
• 2711[20:58:16] <Olof_szary> the task I was running was dd /dev/zero to /dev/mapper/...
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• 2715[21:00:35] <xedniv> anyone had grub with uefi complain about going out of memory?
• 2716[21:00:47] <Tenkawa> grub? wow
• 2717[21:01:00] <Tenkawa> have not seen that one
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• 2719[21:01:44] <rshakin-kj6kbl> hey what gives NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 37s! [apt-show-versio:27683]
• 2720[21:01:46] <joepublic> grub2 is so feature-rich it's almost silly. when you edit boot commands for an entry, for example, it has dynamic tab completion.
• 2721[21:02:02] <rshakin-kj6kbl> am i going to be getting a new server soon... ?
• 2722[21:03:39] <Tenkawa> rshakin-kj6kbl: that can very easily be software
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• 2724[21:04:20] <Tenkawa> depending on the workload at the time
• 2725[21:04:21] <joepublic> some guy on ubuntu forums says replacing power supply fixed his.
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• 2740[21:15:27] <helichopper> hello. i need some guidance on using apt-get/aptitude to install specifically jessie-backports nvidia-driver. i have added them to the sources.list, but when using apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver it returns nvidia-driver is already the newest version. so wondering if anyone has had to do this themselves and how did they do it? this is for deepin linux a debian derrivative
• 2741[21:15:55] <greycat> ,v nvidia-driver
• 2742[21:15:56] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.87-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 390.87-3; sid/non-free: 390.87-3; experimental/non-free: 396.54-2
• 2743[21:16:13] <greycat> Try "apt policy nvidia-driver" and read what it says.
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• 2745[21:17:50] <helichopper> Version table:
• 2746[21:17:50] <helichopper> *** 390.67-3deepin 500
• 2747[21:17:50] <helichopper> 500 replaced-url
• 2748[21:17:50] <helichopper> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
• 2749[21:17:50] <helichopper> 384.130-1~bpo8+1 100
• 2750[21:17:50] <helichopper> 100 replaced-url
• 2751[21:17:50] *** helichopper was kicked by debhelper (flood)
• 2752[21:18:22] <joepublic> read. n. look at while absorbing meaning. cf. paste, make everyone else look at.
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• 2754[21:18:55] <greycat> Idiots.
• 2755[21:19:07] <greycat> I knew I should have preemptively yelled at him.
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• 2758[21:20:01] <greycat> Every fucking time we tell anyone in this channel to run a command and read the result, they PASTE the fucking result here, or in /msg, or both, and expect someone to READ IT TO THEM like a fucking bedtime story.
• 2759[21:20:14] <greycat> (in this case it was both. he /msg spammed me with it after being kicked)
• 2760[21:20:37] <greycat> helichopper: READ IT. Yourself. With your eyes. And your brain.
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• 2762[21:22:00] <bites> while using something that's called panda.
• 2763[21:22:24] <greycat> Yeah, I don't even know what that is but it sounds like ubuntu somehow.
• 2764[21:22:27] <joepublic> deepin panda, yes; it's apparently a Debian derivative
• 2765[21:22:38] <greycat> !deepin
• 2766[21:22:38] <dpkg> deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at replaced-url
• 2767[21:23:07] <greycat> So the obvious reason why you couldn't install a jessie-backports package is because you're not using jessie. Or even Debian.
• 2768[21:23:08] <joepublic> the person, in all fairness, said to start with that they were running deepin.
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• 2770[21:24:28] <helichopper> well thanks at any rate i will retire to the chinese chat...
• 2771[21:24:35] <joepublic> ni hao.
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• 2773[21:26:29] <xata> surpised that chinese intranet has link to freenode
• 2774[21:26:40] <xata> the iron irony
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• 2810[21:44:14] <Buliarous> I wonder if being on irc gets you social point deductions
• 2811[21:46:04] <__m4ch1n3__> not if its your only social contact source :D
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• 2813[21:46:42] <__m4ch1n3__> *social interaction
• 2814[21:46:44] <joepublic> If you are on irc, you aren't anywhere near the people who add and deduct social points. How would they know?
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• 2817[21:48:31] <Ede|Popede> there is AI. doesn't work as expected (garfield is considered porn on tumblr), but who cares. replaced-url
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• 2822[21:49:52] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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• 2832[21:59:42] <VinAlencc> Hello, guys! How are you? I'm looking for a tutorial to setup 2 SQUID servers on Debian Stretch to work as Primary/Secondary proxy servers. Could you recommend me few links/sites/forums that could help me? Thanks in advance.
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• 2836[22:00:22] <joepublic> you want two squid instances running on the same host, each on different ports?
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• 2838[22:00:48] <VinAlencc> joepublic: No, different hosts.
• 2839[22:00:55] <joepublic> ah, magnificent.
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• 2847[22:05:38] <joepublic> I am not aware of any debian-specific documentation, but there are some good resources at replaced-url
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• 2849[22:06:16] <VinAlencc> joepublic: Thanks, man. I'm going to check it! Thanks a lot!
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• 2858[22:09:07] <joepublic> note: they have some instructions that say "add...debian experimental main" which amount to a very bad idea.
• 2859[22:09:32] <joepublic> I'd skip that part.
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• 2863[22:10:03] <VinAlencc> joepublic: Got it. Thanks! :-)
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• 2865[22:11:04] <jelly> ,v squid3
• 2866[22:11:05] <judd> Package: squid3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.1.20-2.2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 3.1.20-2.2+deb7u8; jessie: 3.4.8-6+deb8u5; jessie-security: 3.4.8-6+deb8u5; stretch: 3.5.23-5+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.5.23-5+deb9u1; buster: 4.4-1; sid: 4.4-1
• 2867[22:11:31] <jelly> there isn't even anything in experimental at all
• 2868[22:12:29] <joepublic> nevertheless, squid's instructions for debian stretch start out with "Squid-4" and saying to add experimental repositories with a blithe "Squid-4 is still a beta release so packages in Debian are still experimental"
• 2869[22:12:37] <joepublic> replaced-url
• 2870[22:13:05] <joepublic> that sentence should probably say something like "Do not hold in hand. Light fuse and get away."
• 2871[22:13:09] <VinAlencc> So, guys... You mean, that even a package is unstable or testing, is there a chance this package can work as stable?
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• 2873[22:14:16] <greycat> !don't break debian
• 2874[22:14:16] <dpkg> from memory, dont break debian is replaced-url
• 2875[22:14:37] <joepublic> packages are sometimes backported, but it doesn't look like squid 4.1 has been backported. Otherwise, no, testing packages in general are not built to work on stable.
• 2876[22:15:13] <joepublic> good advice to skip that part of the instructions. The next section, "Squid 3.5" is what you are looking for.
• 2877[22:16:08] <VinAlencc> Got it. I'll read this one (squid 3.5)
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• 2880[22:17:30] <joepublic> it's boring and boils down to "aptitude install squid" at which point you proceed to the configuration section.
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• 2930[22:44:59] <zerocool> best business laptop for linux? anyone know?
• 2931[22:45:10] <zerocool> i run debian stable 99.9999% of the time
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• 2941[22:51:41] <joepublic> So you aren't using Debian and you want a laptop recommendation. Fair enough. What qualifications make a laptop a "business laptop" to you?
• 2942[22:53:14] <c|oneman> my guess is the only qualifier is lacking RGB
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• 2946[22:54:56] <c|oneman> The only things I'd care about for "business" use is support for 2+ monitors , a decent built-in microphone, and full disk ecryption
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• 2948[22:55:41] <jelly> a trackpoint and 7 row keyboard with actual F keys?
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• 2951[22:57:27] <jhutchins_wk> !best
• 2952[22:57:27] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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• 2955[22:58:51] <zerocool> joepublic: i am using debian
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• 2957[22:59:31] <zerocool> network connectivity, nice screen for seeing and keyboard for typing, that's all i really care about
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• 2960[22:59:50] <zerocool> wondering if i should look at system76 ot whatever
• 2961[23:00:39] <jhutchins_wk> Different systems have different advantages, there's no "best".
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• 2966[23:01:26] <joepublic> With system76, you can have a pretty good idea that there will be no nasty surprises when it comes to Linux support.
• 2967[23:01:37] <jelly> replaced-url
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• 3000[23:21:59] <annadane> is this policykit-1 upgrade going to require a reboot?
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• 3019[23:33:06] <phogg> annadane: No idea, but I seriously doubt it.
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• 3021[23:33:50] <cluelessperson> I can't seem to get this command to work in the sudoer's file
• 3022[23:33:52] <cluelessperson> zabbix All=(snowblossom) NOPASSWD: /var/snowblossom/client.sh
• 3023[23:33:54] <cluelessperson> any thoughts why?
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• 3030[23:37:04] <jelly> cluelessperson, does visudo complain when you add it?
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• 3061[23:55:00] <cluelessperson> jelly: I'm not using visudo, dunno hat that is
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