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4 [00:01:15] <danielh1234> wallbroken: how much RAM does your
VM have?
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17 [00:04:16] <wallbroken> danielh1234 my PC has 6 gb ram
18 [00:04:38] <wallbroken> my vm has 1024 mb
19 [00:05:41] <pav> wallbroken: did the VM booted from CD?
20 [00:05:55] <pav> or just got kernel panic
21 [00:05:57] <wallbroken> pav, yes
22 [00:05:58] <wallbroken>
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29 [00:08:07] <pav> wallbroken: looks like misconfigured VM. Did
you choose defaul settings for VM?
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32 [00:09:43] <wallbroken> pav, yes
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36 [00:12:13] <pav> I'm not an VirtualBox expert, used it
years ago. Have had no problems installing from netinst x64 on
Hyper-V or VMware
37 [00:12:15] <danielh1234> wallbroken: defaults for
'Debian (x64)' in category 'Linux' right?
38 [00:12:28] <wallbroken> no
39 [00:12:31] <wallbroken> there isn't
40 [00:12:38] <wallbroken> only 32bit config
41 [00:12:41] <wallbroken> of all OS
42 [00:12:46] <pav> oh
43 [00:12:57] <pav> That is a problem
44 [00:12:57] <wallbroken> and the image is 32bit too
45 [00:13:11] <wallbroken> i386 image, right?
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49 [00:13:27] <danielh1234> didn't you write netinst x64?
50 [00:13:37] <wallbroken> no
51 [00:13:46] <wallbroken> oh yes
52 [00:13:52] <wallbroken> i'm dumb, sorry
53 [00:13:56] <pav> :)
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55 [00:14:04] <pav> we all are sometimes
56 [00:14:45] <danielh1234> ok, just a shot in the dark, but try
toggling the PAE feature in System tab
57 [00:14:55] <pav> glad we help you wit this one wallbroken :)
58 [00:14:58] <mackaw> speaking of all this talk of vm's
does anyone know how to get .ova to work in Virtual Machine Manager?
59 [00:15:02] <wallbroken> that's virtualbox 64 bit, config
at 32 with guest image at 32 bit
60 [00:15:16] <danielh1234> which should work afaik
61 [00:16:08] <wallbroken> no luck :\
62 [00:16:26] <wallbroken> maybe it's my cpu fault
63 [00:16:29] <wallbroken> it's a "shit"
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66 [00:17:05] <pav> what model of cpu you have wallbroken ?
67 [00:17:31] <pav> maybe is just some BIOS option
68 [00:17:59] <wallbroken>
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69 [00:18:04] <danielh1234> as for cpu problems you could
temporirlt try disabling everything in System => Acceleration, it
will be very slow but could help track down the problem.
70 [00:18:07] <mackaw> yeah it could be bios
71 [00:18:31] <mackaw> some have a setting for enabling
virtualization on the bios
72 [00:18:36] <wallbroken> acceleration tab is grayed out
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78 [00:20:52] <danielh1234> maybe check for Vt-x in BIOS
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81 [00:22:47] <pav> for some reasons Vt-x is sometimes disabled
by default
82 [00:23:19] <wallbroken> my bios is a strange bios
83 [00:23:26] <wallbroken> is called "insydeh20"
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85 [00:23:40] <wallbroken> and has poor options to be enabled by
the user
86 [00:23:49] <n-iCe> Ok Debian netinstall is installed, i used
iwconfig to connect to my wifi
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88 [00:24:03] <n-iCe> But ping is not worked and iwconfigs show
all ok
89 [00:24:17] <n-iCe> Any idea
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91 [00:24:29] <n-iCe> Working
92 [00:24:33] <mackaw> insydehh20?
93 [00:24:42] <teraflops> n-iCe: iwconfig does not handle ip
addresses or routes
94 [00:25:11] <n-iCe> Dhclient does?
95 [00:25:12] <teraflops> n-iCe: it does not even manage wpa by
itself
96 [00:25:28] <n-iCe> What can I use then
97 [00:25:57] <teraflops> n-iCe: whatever you want but
definitely not iwconfig
98 [00:26:07] <n-iCe> Tell me what else
99 [00:26:10] <n-iCe> I need wifi
100 [00:26:15] <n-iCe> System shows like is connected
101 [00:26:19] <danielh1234> n-iCe: the easy way would be
network-manager, provided you can install the packages (ethernet
cable / CD)
102 [00:26:21] <n-iCe> Sent dhclient wlan0
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104 [00:26:35] <teraflops> n-iCe:
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105 [00:26:47] <n-iCe> I dont even have a desktop
106 [00:27:14] <n-iCe> Im in command line
107 [00:27:33] <danielh1234> n-iCe: there's nmtui-connect
(NetworkManager)
108 [00:27:40] <n-iCe> What?
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110 [00:28:38] <teraflops> n-iCe: you perform the same effort
reading here (irc) than reading the link I posted above
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113 [00:29:41] <n-iCe> Great help
114 [00:29:44] <n-iCe> I found it
115 [00:29:45] <n-iCe> Thanks
116 [00:29:48] <teraflops> np
117 [00:30:02] <n-iCe> Ifup wlan0
118 [00:30:07] <n-iCe> Was all I needed
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128 [00:36:08] <wallbroken> VT-x is enabled
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132 [00:38:20] <danielh1234> wallbroken: and was before as well I
presume? What is your host OS? Windows? Some Linux?
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135 [00:39:11] <wallbroken> danielh1234, solved
136 [00:39:38] <wallbroken> i rebooted the laptop, and magically,
acceleration tab appeared, and now is working good
137 [00:40:12] <danielh1234> Ok, good to hear :)
138 [00:40:13] <wallbroken> is easy to install guest additions?
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140 [00:41:09] <danielh1234> usually yes, just remember to
install linux-headers-something
141 [00:41:54] <danielh1234> and maybe other packages that it
complains about, or better yet try the guest additions from the
Debian repos first
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144 [00:43:02] <wallbroken> they are installed by default?
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153 [00:45:05] <danielh1234> no, but there are packages
available, try `apt install virtualbox-guest-dkms
virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11`
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155 [00:46:28] <kolnpole> how can i make two users use sound
simultaneously on one sound put put , like i run game from one user
and open yourtube via other user
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157 [00:47:05] <kolnpole> i usally use root and when i need to
run games i run them via differnt user with gksu
158 [00:47:21] <missmbob> virtualbox is now outside of debian.
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159 [00:47:51] <kolnpole> if i run chrome u cant hear any thing
cuz the other user by which i am running game is outputting sound
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161 [00:48:26] <danielh1234> kolnpole: are you using pulseaudio?
162 [00:48:32] <kolnpole> yes
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165 [00:50:57] <danielh1234> kolnpole: then you can either run it
as a system daemon instead of per user or allow usage via
module-native-protocol-{unix,tcp} see
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168 [00:52:38] <danielh1234> kolnpole: btw it may be a good idea
to run not only games as a non-root user, especially since you
mentioned YouTube which probably implies a web browser.
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172 [00:53:25] <jasonwc> Why is Firefox on version 52.2 ESR in
Jessie but still 45.9 ESR in Stretch?
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175 [00:54:22] <missmbob> stretch is frozen
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195 [01:01:51] <jasonwc> missmbob, So, it'll update after
release?
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197 [01:02:59] <missmbob> it'll update. so close to release
it might be before. but it will update
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199 [01:05:34] <jasonwc> I'm having an issue (documented
here -
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205 [01:07:44] <kolnpole> danielh1234, sure
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216 [01:10:54] <danielh1234> jasonwc: using i915 but sometimes my
autoconfigured DP1-8 only wants to work with '--crtc 2'
after a while. Does the primary monitor show up in xrandr at least
when it's not visible in the GUI tools?
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221 [01:15:40] <jasonwc> danielh1234, That's a good point. I
didn't think to check xandr before. This is what it outputs now
(with both monitors working):
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223 [01:16:14] <jasonwc> Both monitors are connected via DP but
the one that doesn't come back is using G-Sync (on regardless
of driver setting) and 144Hz refresh
224 [01:17:16] <jasonwc> Next time this occurs, I'll check
xandr. It's somewhat annoying to troubleshoot because it has to
go to sleep for a while. If I go to sleep and wake in a few minutes.
I thought it had something to do with the monitor going to sleep but
I don't think turning the monitor off helps.
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227 [01:18:52] <danielh1234> jasonwc: when it's dead again
but still shows up in xrandr, try to turn it --off first, then for
example --auto, and if that does not help retry with the --crtc
option.
228 [01:18:53] <wallbroken> somebody of you knows pandaboard?
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230 [01:19:16] <wallbroken> maybe i'm the only one i have it
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232 [01:22:24] <jasonwc> danielh1234, Thanks, I will try that
next time. I appreciate the advice.
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247 [01:30:59] <n-iCe> hi
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276 [01:42:42] <codebam> hey :)
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292 [01:47:19] <gry> codebam, greetings :)
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299 [01:50:52] <codebam> gry: how are you doing today?
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303 [01:51:49] <gry> codebam: I am fine, thank you; how about
you?
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307 [01:52:17] <codebam> that's good. meh I've been
better, but I'm alright I guess
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337 [02:06:16] <wallbroken> hey folks
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339 [02:06:33] <wallbroken> i need to fix a problem which causes
not login into the shell
340 [02:06:45] <wallbroken> i tried to set it up an automatic
ttty login
341 [02:07:04] <wallbroken> but maybe i have done something wrong
342 [02:07:35] <wallbroken> and now i'm stuck on
"debian login: --noclear (automatic login)"
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381 [02:33:07] <nutron> My chromium can't click on links
that come from a drop-down. So for example on ebay, where you click
the sort order, I can click on the item all I like, and it
won't actually trigger a click. It's only happening on
this workstation. I have disabled all extensions, I have deleted all
relevant directories in my home directory and there are no updates
to the package that I'm aware of. This is an odd bug and was
wondering if anyone else has run into it.
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389 [02:38:37] <ExecSlim> nutron, does the issue still occur when
you are in a new incognito window?
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392 [02:39:19] <nutron> ExecSlim, yes indeed it does
393 [02:39:49] <ExecSlim> Does it work correctly in other
browsers (e.g. Firefox?)
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405 [02:46:32] <nutron> ExecSlim yes it does.
406 [02:47:12] <ExecSlim> Hmm. One sec
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408 [02:47:38] <nutron> But it also works fine on other machines.
It was a problem on my home workstation as well for a while and
spontaneously got fixed.
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410 [02:48:14] <ExecSlim> Does it work on google chrome beta?
replaced-url
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412 [02:48:40] <ExecSlim> Does your other workstation have the
same operating system as the one that you are using right now?
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422 [02:52:49] <nutron> Debian Jessie on both, and both up to
date.
423 [02:53:11] <nutron> I can install chrome from the deb
sources, but is that necessary?
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425 [02:53:46] <ExecSlim> Hmm
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427 [02:54:03] <ExecSlim> Do you have logmein and/or teamviewer
installed, or anything that would add an icon to a window's
title bar?
428 [02:54:14] <ExecSlim> (excluding chrome extensions)
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433 [02:58:41] <ExecSlim> I'm thinking you could just dump
all of the packages for both workstations, then diff them to see
what's different on your machine (grep -v lib* though)
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449 [03:09:20] <wallbroken> how to show the list of installed
packages with apt- ?
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454 [03:12:55] <nutron> Exec yeah, I'll do that.
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457 [03:13:50] <ExecSlim> apt list --installed wallbroken
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461 [03:17:43] <glick> hi
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463 [03:17:52] <glick> tomorrow stretch is released right?
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466 [03:18:32] <glick> yes? no?
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468 [03:19:54] <ExecSlim> glick, well, Jun 17th
469 [03:20:02] <ExecSlim> according to
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471 [03:21:55] <glick> so basically i have to update my apt file?
and change all instances of jessie to stretch and i should be good
to go right?
472 [03:22:12] <glick> 'jessie' to 'stretch'
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474 [03:23:19] <ExecSlim> aptitude full-upgrade should be what
you need glick according to
replaced-url
475 [03:24:09] <glick> ExecSlim: well, im running stretch now
476 [03:24:18] <ExecSlim> Oh
477 [03:24:20] <glick> i commented out all the lines in apt
except the first two lines
478 [03:24:28] <glick> and i changed the names from jessie to
strech
479 [03:24:39] <ExecSlim> did you run aptitude update after you
changed the names?
480 [03:24:49] <glick> indeed
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482 [03:25:13] <ExecSlim> what about aptitude upgrade?
483 [03:25:17] <glick> so basically tomorrow i uncomment out the
other lines and changes the names and an apt update should do the
trick? to track the new stable?
484 [03:25:24] <glick> yeah i did that too ExecSlim
485 [03:25:33] <ExecSlim> Sounds right but I haven't done
that myself
486 [03:26:09] <ExecSlim> sounds like something aptitude
dist-upgrade would do anyway
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509 [03:34:46] <wallbroken> plus i have a problem with automatic
login
510 [03:34:48] <wallbroken> and systemd
511 [03:34:51] <wallbroken> can you help me?
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538 [03:53:15] <wallbroken> i need to autologin on bot
539 [03:53:16] <wallbroken> boot
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743 [06:14:38] <yokisuci> huh
744 [06:14:55] <jasonwc> Is there any source that documents the
differences between the differences between Chromium on Debian and
Google Chrome? My understanding is that Chrome adds support for
proprietary codecs like H264 and AAC, includes DRM support, and
includes a sandboxed Flash plugin. I wonder whether Chromium offers
better privacy than Chrome, but from what I can find, Chrome offers
the option to disable any telemetry.
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829 [07:01:17] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. So when is the release party?
Will there be pictures?
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862 [07:22:20] <OxFEEDBACC> high! the installation medium (DVD)
contains a whole bunch of software in its repository... not all of
it is installed, but some packages are... i suppose there is some
list of packages to install during the initial system
installation... does anyone know off the top of their head where
that may be?
863 [07:23:02] <themill> depends on what you select at the
tasksel stage
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866 [07:25:12] <themill> (it's basically all Priority:
required and important packages plus bootloader plus kernel plus
anything your hardware seems to require plus anything required for
your disks (lvm, luks etc) plus anything you select
867 [07:26:25] <themill> plus any dependencies of those things
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869 [07:27:35] <dunderproto> speaking of installs, is the
netinstall the smallest "version" of debian possible?
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903 [07:41:53] <OxFEEDBACC> themill: i don't really remember
that tasksel stage... still, having the
/usr/share/tasksel/descs/debian-tasks.desc in a terminal, i see many
tasks like albanian-desktp, which enhances "desktop", but
the latter does not describe, what belongs to it...
904 [07:42:47] <OxFEEDBACC> i don't find anything in tasksel
or tasksel-data, that could answer my question... :-/
905 [07:43:34] <OxFEEDBACC> okay, okay... find $PATH_INTO_REPO
-iname "*task*" shows more... :-/
906 [07:44:04] <OxFEEDBACC> so, thanks for hinting me at
tasksel...
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909 [07:45:28] <themill> dunderproto: all installers are
identical
910 [07:46:18] <OxFEEDBACC> but no... that's a dead-end road
:-/
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922 [07:56:31] <dunderproto> themill: Thanks. So, no matter which
installer I pick, I can always just deselect the packages I
*don't* want, if I understand correctly.
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924 [07:57:05] <themill> more precisely, you select what you do
want
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934 [08:02:09] <OxFEEDBACC> okay... i think i got it...
task-albanian enhances (refers to) task-desktop, which has a package
of that name, and dependencies, like the x-server and something
called desktop-base, probably a metapackage... let's look...
that drags in more... and somewhere in the dependency chain there
will be libreoffice...
935 [08:02:10] <OxFEEDBACC> nice...
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940 [08:03:18] <OxFEEDBACC> anyway, thanks again for pushing me
there...
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949 [08:06:22] <jmcnaught> OxFEEDBACC: the tasksel command has
options --list-tasks, --task-packages (though i think most tasks
install a single metapackage). take a look at the tasksel man page.
there are also many foo-tasks packages that add to what tasksel can
do
950 [08:06:49] <darme> anyone else had problems with libreoffice
in stretch?
951 [08:07:45] <darme> window does not open when i run
libreoffice and thre is no stdout
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954 [08:09:32] <OxFEEDBACC> i had something similar with another
app, when i forgot to pass -X to ssh... just no output, and even $?
being 0... probably that was a different thing though...
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962 [08:12:23] <xochilpili> how can i remove a package with all
their dependencies?
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965 [08:12:43] <xochilpili> i have installed kdbg and this
installed kde but im using mate
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970 [08:14:22] <elliot007> xochilpili: just remove the packages
and then run apt-get autoremove all the dependencies of that package
with be removed
971 [08:14:39] <Fyr> guys, will Debian 9 be released in GMT+0?
972 [08:15:20] <xochilpili> apt-get remove --auto-remove kdbg
<< i did this and remove a lot of stuff but not kde
973 [08:15:22] <xochilpili> ...
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975 [08:16:27] <themill> xochilpili: what do you want it to
remove? (be explicit)
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977 [08:16:46] <themill> Fyr: most of the people pulling levers
are in UK/Europe
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980 [08:17:14] <Fyr> themill, so, GMT+1?
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983 [08:17:22] <xochilpili> themill, i wanted to remove kde, but
i just type what u said, apt-get remove kde and then apt-get
autoremove, and it's done
984 [08:17:31] <Fyr> I'd like to download it fheschen.
985 [08:18:15] <themill> xochilpili: there is no package called
kde
986 [08:18:19] <xochilpili> but in the previous command i type:
apt-get remove --auto-remove kdbg << removed a lot of libs,
openjdk and other stuffs
987 [08:18:22] <Fyr> heiß, Direkt aus dem Ofen
988 [08:18:26] <themill> Fyr: a timezone is not a time
989 [08:18:26] <xochilpili> kde-runtime <<
990 [08:18:40] <themill> xochilpili: so explicitly remove that
package as well
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993 [08:19:52] <elliot007> xochilpili: you can do apt-get remove
kde* to remove all packages with kde in there name and then run
apt-get autoremove to remove all the dependencies as well
994 [08:19:59] <xochilpili> is there a way to check healthy of
packages?
995 [08:20:11] <themill> depends what you mean by healthy
996 [08:20:44] <xochilpili> when i typed: apt-get remove
--auto-remove kdbg << remove a lot of stuffs, (as i said
above) then i dont know if this will represent an issue later
997 [08:21:03] <themill> define 'healthy',
'issue'.
998 [08:21:06] <xochilpili> is there a way to check all packages
dependencies, in order to avoid future issues?
999 [08:21:14] <themill> 'check' means what?
1000 [08:21:23] <themill> (also be careful with things like *...
apt uses regexs not globs)
1001 [08:21:28] <themill> elliot007: ^^
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1008 [08:23:59] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. rsync can exclude a directory
right?
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1012 [08:24:36] <slax0r> Lady_Aleena: what do you mean, include?
1013 [08:24:42] <slax0r> wow
1014 [08:24:46] <slax0r> early morning...
1015 [08:24:49] <slax0r> yes it can excldue it
1016 [08:24:52] <slax0r> exclude*
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1021 [08:29:05] <Lady_Aleena> slax0r, I do NOT want rsync to sync
my .kde directory. I want it left alone.
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1029 [08:31:21] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: are you syncing text
files, or mostly large binary files?
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1031 [08:31:41] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I want to sync my entire
$HOME except .kde.
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1034 [08:32:13] <slax0r> Lady_Aleena: --exclude=".kde" ?
1035 [08:32:50] <Lady_Aleena> slax0r, thanks you.
1036 [08:33:00] <Lady_Aleena> s/thanks/thank/; # head desks.
1037 [08:33:00] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena:
replaced-url
1038 [08:33:08] <ahmed751995> excuse me , i installed
torbrowser-launcher latest version and when i ran the launcher i got
Download error : 404 Not found, any one know the solution are there
problems in tor servers?
1039 [08:33:08] <OxFEEDBACC> or "mv $HOME/.kde /tmp; rsync
$HOME $TARGET; mv /tmp/.kde $HOME"
1040 [08:33:36] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, does it have anything to
do with git?
1041 [08:34:17] <jmcnaught> yeah it's an extension to git,
which isn't as hard as it looks and is really worth learning if
you edit text files
1042 [08:34:30] * themill wouldn't use it for files that change
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1046 [08:35:49] <jmcnaught> well i would also say if you're
actually backing stuff up and not syncing between two computers that
a proper backup tool would be best to use instead
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1049 [08:36:25] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I don't have git
installed.
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1051 [08:36:49] <themill> my experience with git-annex for things
like videos, audio is good; for files I edit, my experience is not
good
1052 [08:36:59] <Lady_Aleena> I rsync to my two other hard drives
and a usb drive.
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1056 [08:37:54] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: for the purpose of
backing up your files?
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1058 [08:38:12] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, yes.
1059 [08:38:43] <Lady_Aleena> I back up to hd2 (sdb), hd3 (sdc),
and a usb.
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1063 [08:40:09] <jmcnaught> then i would use something like duply
or obnam instead that can retain different versions of the backups
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1069 [08:41:11] <maferv> is there any file manager that has an
integrated shell at the bottom?
1070 [08:41:20] <themill> dolphin
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1072 [08:41:45] <OxFEEDBACC> was just about to say konqueror...
but yeah, dolphin...
1073 [08:41:55] <themill> or mc
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1075 [08:42:11] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, different versions? I
don't have svn install.
1076 [08:42:19] <maferv> does it? I didn't know, thanks, but
I'm leaning on the light side, anything lighter? I currently
use thunar
1077 [08:42:25] <maferv> what's mc themill?
1078 [08:42:40] <themill> a file manager. with an integrated shell
at the bottom
1079 [08:42:51] <maferv> you mean midnight commander? isn't
it ncurses only?
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1082 [08:43:16] <elliot007> ranger
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1087 [08:43:43] <tx> I guess
1088 [08:43:47] <tx> tmux + any cli-based file manager
1089 [08:43:47] <tx> :P
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1092 [08:44:08] <elliot007> tx: yep
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1095 [08:44:33] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: duply for example does
incremental backups where you could do say a complete backup once a
week, and daily incremental backups that only backups the changes.
then you can ask duply to restore a file/directory from two days, or
three weeks ago (depending on how much history you decide to keep)
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1097 [08:44:49] <maferv> I'm looking for some thunar/pcmanfm
kind of file manager with an integrated shell at the bottom. Dolphin
is way too heavy for me
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1099 [08:45:09] <elliot007> but ranger is almost like vim just
that it is a file manager
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1102 [08:46:13] <elliot007> maferv: i guess there are plugins for
nautilus
1103 [08:46:23] <elliot007>
replaced-url
1104 [08:46:54] <jmcnaught> nautilus has open in terminal in its
context menu, which opens gnome-terminal
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1106 [08:47:21] <maferv> elliot007 are there any plugins for
thunar/pcmanfm? I parted ways with nautilus since the redesign of
gnome with gnome3
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1109 [08:47:47] <elliot007> I don't use gui file managers
anymore, so not sure
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1111 [08:48:10] <maferv> what do you use elliot007 ?
1112 [08:48:15] <elliot007> ranger
1113 [08:48:18] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I can barely remember to
back up things once every six months.
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1115 [08:48:46] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: you can configure a cron
job for it
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1121 [08:50:27] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I don't know,
I've never played with cron.
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1123 [08:51:07] <elliot007> maferv: check this
replaced-url
1124 [08:51:10] <jmcnaught> systemd timer units are another option
if you don't alrady know cron
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1127 [08:52:18] <maferv> thanks jmcnaught
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1133 [08:55:00] <elliot007> i wonder why is everyone excited about
release date and time, you can switch to stretch right now anyway
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1136 [08:56:30] <maferv> jmcnaught, this is what I'm already
using, "open terminal here". I end up with too many
terminals and it's not practical. It'd be so much better
if they were integrated in the same window, in the same tab, each
with its own terminal
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1143 [08:58:23] <elliot007> maferv: maybe you should start using
terminal multiplexers now, like tmux
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1148 [09:00:08] <maferv> sometimes I use screen, but if I can, I
just use tabs, elliot007
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1152 [09:00:50] <elliot007> few days ago i found a terminal
emulator speficially designed for this purpose wait
1153 [09:02:37] <maferv> I use xfce4-terminal mostly
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1157 [09:03:44] <elliot007> yup check this out
replaced-url
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1163 [09:06:13] <maferv> thanks
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1166 [09:07:22] <maferv> reminds me of tmux, a gnomish tmux
1167 [09:07:40] <elliot007> yep basically same thing as tmux just
using gui
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1178 [09:09:54] <maferv> well thanks guys, I'll stick to
thunar+terminal for the time being
1179 [09:10:02] <maferv> bye
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1219 [09:22:31] <martinus__> how do I install mysql back instead
of mariadb in debian stretch ?
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1233 [09:26:22] <jelly> martinus__: just install mysql-server
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1237 [09:27:26] <martinus__> jelly, well, mysql-server package
just embed mariadb right ?
1238 [09:28:04] <jelly> martinus__: "apt-cache show
mysql-server" will give you an answer to that question
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1242 [09:28:31] <jelly> ,depends mysql-server --release stretch
--arch amd64
1243 [09:28:32] <judd> Package mysql-server in stretch/amd64 --
depends: default-mysql-server.
1244 [09:28:39] <jelly> hmm.
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1247 [09:29:14] <martinus__> mysql-server is a transitional for
mariadb
1248 [09:29:42] <jelly> ah, right, to facilitate release upgrade
1249 [09:30:09] <jelly> then you can't, not right now
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1252 [09:31:05] <jelly> I guess there will be a backport of
mysql-server-5.7 (and mysql-server) once stretch is out
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1255 [09:31:26] <jelly> ,depends mysql-server --release sid --arch
amd64
1256 [09:31:27] <judd> Package mysql-server in sid/amd64 --
depends: mysql-server-5.7.
1257 [09:31:54] <jelly> I probably ought to disable unstable repos
on my desktop
1258 [09:32:45] <martinus__> So, I can't install JIRA on
debian stretch quickly
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1260 [09:32:48] <martinus__> :(
1261 [09:32:51] <jelly> why not?
1262 [09:33:05] <martinus__> because I have an existing mysql dump
to migrate on
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1265 [09:33:19] <martinus__> and JIRA doesn't officially
support mariadb
1266 [09:33:23] <nix64bit> y is a crooked letter and you cant make
it straight
1267 [09:33:24] <jelly> jire devs prefer postgres anyway, and jira
has its own export/dump system
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1269 [09:34:00] <martinus__> jelly, when, JIRA doesn't
support pgsql 9.6 :D
1270 [09:34:16] <jelly> martinus__: why are you using stretch then
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1272 [09:34:22] <martinus__> jelly, good question
1273 [09:34:24] <nix64bit> what is the verdict between maria and
postgres?
1274 [09:34:38] <nix64bit> I used to me a mysql fan
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1276 [09:34:59] <shamoanjac> CSV
1277 [09:35:04] <jelly> mariadb is just a flavor of mysql
1278 [09:35:05] <shamoanjac> that's the real deal
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1280 [09:35:39] <martinus__> jelly, well, in the start I had to
install a fresh server and I thought it was a good move in the long
term to install a stretch
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1282 [09:37:05] <jelly> maybe your good move ought to take support
matrix into account if you care about keeping within it
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1284 [09:37:49] <jelly> Linux pg-atlassian-prod 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1
SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux # jessie
and postgres 9.4 for our instances
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1287 [09:39:01] <jelly> but really jira doesn't use any fancy
database features, if mariadb is not supported, it's probably
because they didn't care to test it yet
1288 [09:39:06] <nix64bit> I am fully postgres now
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1293 [09:40:14] <jelly> martinus__: you can also choose to use
packages from mysql.com if you need it
1294 [09:40:39] <martinus__> jelly, or I can stick with mariadb
against per JIRA recommendation
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1296 [09:41:22] <jelly> and suffer grave consequences!!!1one
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1298 [09:42:20] <nix64bit> django has some postgres specific
modules to do with using serialized data
1299 [09:42:47] <jelly> or ask in #atlassian about more anecdotal
experience running jira on unsupported versions of sql db
1300 [09:43:03] <nix64bit> so ja go with what works and try and
keep your code decoupled as much as possible
1301 [09:43:05] <martinus__> jelly, what I like the most is this :
replaced-url
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1306 [09:44:05] <jelly> ask them what they run that instance on,
then :-)
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1308 [09:45:30] <martinus__> jelly, that's a good idea
1309 [09:46:29] <Haohmaru> i've installed 32bit debian 8.8
onto a flash stick on a laptop, and now i plug it into another
laptop, with slightly different hardware, the LAN doesn't
work.. the ethernet card is a RTL8101 ... do i need to download a
driver from synaptic?
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1311 [09:47:12] <Haohmaru> or could it be an actual hardware
issue.. the ethernet port on this thing has no LEDs and it seems as
if the port wiggles a bit
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1326 [09:55:03] <NiLon> leds off usually just means the device is
off, could be lack of driver or being disabled. And the wiggle thing
also is rather normal, it's usually fault of cable connector
anyway
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1329 [09:57:37] <Haohmaru> NiLon i mean that the LAN port on this
laptop physically doesn't have LEDs, so i can't tell if it
"sees" that the cable is plugged
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1332 [10:00:06] <jkliemann> Haohmaru: you can try ethtool, it
shows if a link is detected and what standard has been negotiated
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1336 [10:00:21] <Haohmaru> but my question is more like.. does the
debian installation by default come with many drivers installed, or
does it "look" at your specific hardware during the
installation and only install "some" drivers, enough to
run on that
1337 [10:01:33] <jkliemann> I think it gives you both options
(install generic drivers or install device specific drivers)
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1339 [10:02:00] <Haohmaru> jkliemann i've seen this before,
but this installation didn't ask any questions
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1341 [10:02:12] <Haohmaru> it was 32bit debian live
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1345 [10:02:27] <Haohmaru> i can tell you the exact iso filename,
if that helps
1346 [10:03:35] <Haohmaru>
"debian-live-8.8.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso"
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1348 [10:06:22] <jkliemann> Hmm, if it didn't ask I think it
would probably install all drivers (since it came from a live system
that is usually meant to run on multiple different hardware
configurations)
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1362 [10:11:46] <Haohmaru> crap, did i miss something?
1363 [10:13:28] <Fyr> no
1364 [10:13:33] <Haohmaru> k
1365 [10:14:00] <Fyr> >>jkliemann: Hmm, if it didn't
ask I think it would probably install all drivers (since it came
from a live system that is usually meant to run on multiple
different hardware configurations)
1366 [10:14:00] <Fyr> is the last message
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1368 [10:15:10] <Haohmaru> oh
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1370 [10:15:23] <Haohmaru> okay, so then it must be a hardware
issue :/
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1378 [10:18:24] <jkliemann> what exactly is your issue?
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1389 [10:25:53] <Haohmaru> jkliemann ifconfig doesn't even
list eth0
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1394 [10:28:42] <jkliemann> Haohmaru thats a driver problem I
think, what does lspci say? Does it find the ethernet device?
1395 [10:29:14] <Haohmaru> yes.. it says it's a realtek fast
ethernet blahblah RTL8101
1396 [10:30:01] <Haohmaru> and i tried running the live image
(because i still have it around) on this, it managed to get the LAN
working during the live
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1398 [10:30:29] <Haohmaru> but not from the first time
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1404 [10:32:51] <jkliemann> have you installed firmware-realtek?
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1406 [10:33:06] <Haohmaru> i haven't done anything manually
yet
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1408 [10:33:28] <Haohmaru> i looked for "realtek" in
synaptic, but it didn't show "firmware" anything
1409 [10:33:32] <Haohmaru> only a few things
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1412 [10:35:31] <jkliemann> have you enabled the non-free
repositories?
1413 [10:35:32] <jkliemann>
replaced-url
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1416 [10:36:08] <Haohmaru> jkliemann the installation didn't
ask me pretty much any questions
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1422 [10:37:57] <jkliemann> Well then go into
/etc/apt/sources.list and add contrib (if you want, but not required
for this) and non-free (required for firmware-realtek) to the
repository lines after main (except security and backports)
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1424 [10:38:21] <jkliemann> then run apt update and then it should
be available (maybe you also need to refresh synaptic)
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1452 [10:45:36] <Haohmaru> okay.. i'll try that when i can
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1486 [11:07:53] <Aebian> that arkward blueish color is set by VIM
right?
replaced-url
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1499 [11:15:53] <jkliemann> Aebian: try :set termguicolors in vim
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1508 [11:19:21] <Aebian> jkliemann: I just set colorscheme desert
that worked also
1509 [11:19:26] <Aebian> but thx
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1514 [11:21:21] <mohammad-ghasemi> I downloaded a distro iso file
using deluge do I need to check for checksum errors?
1515 [11:21:52] <sleepyhead> mohammad-ghasemi: you should just to
make sure
1516 [11:22:11] <sleepyhead> mohammad-ghasemi: you should check
that the gpg sigs checkout
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1518 [11:22:41] <sleepyhead> mohammad-ghasemi: distro sites have
been hacked (linux mint) in the past but gpg sigs can't be
faked
1519 [11:24:00] <mohammad-ghasemi> sleepyhead: I've heard
that torrent checks with some sort of hash mechanism. But I
didn't think about hacks. Thank you
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1578 [11:52:52] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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1651 [12:26:39] <xochilpili> hi all
1652 [12:27:00] <gry> greetings
1653 [12:27:15] <xochilpili> i have a fresh install, but using vim
or some other editor, ctrl+home is not working
1654 [12:27:24] <xochilpili> also ctrl-end
1655 [12:28:17] <Bliepo> Hello, I cannot login to my server
running ProFTPD anymore. I am using the latest version of WinSCP to
connect. I tried running the daemon from the comand line and
enabling 'no-daemon' and set debug level to 10 (the max),
checked the logs, but I still can't find any errors :-(
1656 [12:28:52] <Bliepo> Output of running ProFTPD with debug set
to 10:
replaced-url
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1658 [12:29:15] <Bliepo> The ProFTPD config file:
replaced-url
1659 [12:29:29] <Bliepo> And the TLS config file:
replaced-url
1660 [12:30:01] <gry> xochilpili, what terminal?
1661 [12:30:11] <xochilpili> gry, bash
1662 [12:30:18] <gry> xochilpili, if you open bash or similar ,
does 'home' or 'end' work there?
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1665 [12:31:17] <xochilpili> gry, without ctrl key, yes
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1668 [12:31:34] <Bliepo> If you want to move to the beginning of
the file, type gg
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1670 [12:31:58] <xand> Bliepo: why don't use you sftp instead
1671 [12:32:01] <xand> *you use
1672 [12:32:20] <Bliepo> No reason in particular
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1674 [12:32:40] <xand> Bliepo: you should consider that. FTP is
insecure and suffers from a number of other issues.
1675 [12:32:54] <xand> winscp does sftp and the server is running
by default assuming you have ssh server.
1676 [12:33:00] <Bliepo> xand: if I use TLS, there shouldn't
be any issues
1677 [12:33:05] <xand> there are.
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1680 [12:33:19] <Bliepo> I encrypt both channels?
1681 [12:33:34] <xand> there are problems with FTP other than
encryption :)
1682 [12:33:54] <Bliepo> Could you point me to more information on
this?
1683 [12:34:02] <missmbob> !ftp must die
1684 [12:34:03] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE!
replaced-url
1685 [12:34:22] <missmbob> greycat's wiki on wooledge is nice
1686 [12:34:34] <xand> yeah that page
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1688 [12:35:14] * Bliepo is reading with great interest
1689 [12:35:44] <missmbob> you might want to wait about 3 hours
for the author to be in here, then ;)
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1692 [12:36:31] <missmbob> i'm off to bed. good luck
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1694 [12:38:09] <Bliepo> Thanks!
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1758 [13:07:50] <Aebian> SCP and HTTP :] f*ck FTP :D
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1789 [13:23:07] <JuniusBrutus> So, will Debian 9 be released
tomorrow *for certain*?
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1830 [13:38:05] <petn-randall> JuniusBrutus: Yes, unless there are
any show-stoppers found in the process.
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1883 [14:00:02] <Throbber> debian linux 01
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1889 [14:03:36] <jelly> JuniusBrutus: even then, all aspects of a
release take 1-2 days to settle -- repos, iso images, torrents...
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1891 [14:04:03] <JuniusBrutus> jelly, yeah, I kinda get the idea
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1915 [14:09:14] <nefelh> chat
replaced-url
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1926 [14:12:46] <tw> What should we use instead of anonymous ftp?
http, tftp, other?
1927 [14:12:57] <Aebian> http
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1930 [14:19:19] <Stummi> tw, whats your goal? Just publishing some
files for others? Go with http
1931 [14:19:25] <tw> if you've ever written a parser for http
or soap, you might disagree. I'd give you http2 w/ prior (viz,
no upgrade), but parsing http is error prone.
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1933 [14:19:39] <tw> Anonymous file distribution of media.
1934 [14:19:44] <tw> I'm replying to "ftpmustdie"
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1936 [14:20:01] <Stummi> tw, the good thing about http is, *every
single programming language* has very powerful and feature complete
implementations of both ends of HTTP ready to use
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1939 [14:20:22] <Stummi> well, every notable at least
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1941 [14:20:31] <tw> Except the internet of s*@&
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1946 [14:20:54] <tw> Well, mbed has one.
1947 [14:20:55] <BlackOuT> chan
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1954 [14:23:25] <tw> I'll give it to you though, http is a
better choice 95% of the time.
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1957 [14:23:47] <tw> But it could be better.
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1965 [14:27:47] <petn-randall> tw: sftp
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1967 [14:29:01] <jelly> sftp for uploads, yes. Download only?
http(s)
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1995 [14:39:02] <teraflops> webdav is fine if you want uploads too
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2000 [14:40:22] <Halcyforn> hello how work debian with uefi and
windows 10. 5 live cd/dvd cant run on my laptop
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2004 [14:41:41] <tx> use a USB stick
2005 [14:41:53] <Halcyforn> what a difference
2006 [14:41:54] <zykotick9> Halcyforn: the debian-LIVE images do
NOT support uefi! use netinst/cd1/dvd1 instead.
2007 [14:42:22] <Halcyforn> zykotick why i should install not test
2008 [14:42:30] <tx> Aren't there alternate builds for live
and EFI?
2009 [14:42:44] <teraflops> no idea
2010 [14:42:45] <tx> Perhaps I am thinking of something else.
Either way, a bit of a shame really.
2011 [14:43:05] <Halcyforn> all run linxu start loading and all
stop on blank screen
2012 [14:43:09] <Halcyforn> all 5 distros
2013 [14:43:13] <Halcyforn> what i test
2014 [14:43:21] <Halcyforn> now maybe debian run on clevo
2015 [14:43:41] <tw> they start loading as in you get the grub
boot screen and then it blanks your display?
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2017 [14:43:48] <tx> take a pic
2018 [14:43:52] <tw> If that is the case, it is not a uefi
problem.
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2020 [14:44:47] <Halcyforn> the best run i get on suse .
2021 [14:45:04] <Halcyforn> i get more then blank screen after
pres run live distro
2022 [14:45:10] <zykotick9> tw: ahhh - in addition to uefi, there
may be another issue(s) - but debian-Live doesn't support uefi
systems <- so it's NEVER going to work with the debian
image...
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2026 [14:45:53] <Halcyforn> can configuration of my laptop be a
problem on live cd/dvd ?
2027 [14:46:03] <zykotick9> ^ NEVER in the context of current
Debian-Live images - i imagine it will one day be supported.
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2031 [14:46:50] <Aebian> do I need some special command for
changing the sensible editor? I tried this:
replaced-url
2032 [14:46:52] <missmbob> there's no one actively in charge
of live...so not soon
2033 [14:47:00] <Halcyforn> uefi run is not problem becase bios
can start this boot easy but any distro dont work
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2036 [14:47:54] <onurhann> what is the model of the computer? I do
not think so but maybe hardware is not supported?
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2038 [14:48:07] <tremolo> Aebian: What does `which nano` get you?
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2040 [14:48:31] <Aebian> tremolo: nothing because its not
installed :P
2041 [14:48:40] <Aebian> nano not found
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2044 [14:49:09] <Aebian> which in my case is a expected behavior
2045 [14:49:12] <tx> Aebian: uh
2046 [14:49:17] <tremolo> Right
2047 [14:49:27] <Halcyforn> i can give you only few spec. NVIDIA
GeForce GTX 1060 G-sync Technology, Intel Core i7-6700HQ, 16GB DDR4
2133 MHz CL15, Hitachi Travelstar 7K1000 1 TB 7200rpm, M.2 500GB SSD
2048 [14:49:37] <tx> did you have nano installed at some point?
2049 [14:49:43] <Halcyforn> and ips screen have g syns tech
2050 [14:49:50] <tx> it looks like sensible-editor did, at some
point, go to nano
2051 [14:49:53] <Aebian> I had once but removed it as I don't
need it
2052 [14:50:05] <tx> and it didn't get removed during post
uninstall
2053 [14:50:13] <onurhann> these are common hardware, i do not see
why they would cause a problem
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2056 [14:50:24] <Aebian> and tried to change the editor with sudo
update-alternatives --config editor
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2058 [14:50:35] <Aebian> which worked but just not for the
sensible
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2060 [14:50:42] <tx> hmm
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2062 [14:50:55] <onurhann> maybe there is a problem with the iso
images, try to test them in virtual machines see if they will boot
up?
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2064 [14:51:04] <tx> I would probably unlink whatever it is linked
to just now
2065 [14:51:09] <tx> `which sensible-editor`
2066 [14:51:13] <Halcyforn> Clevo P670RP6-G
2067 [14:51:18] <tx> then cd to the directory that is in, and ls
-la to see what it points to
2068 [14:51:32] <tx> or just ls the file
2069 [14:51:39] <Halcyforn> this is laptop and have intel graphic
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2071 [14:51:45] <tremolo> or `ls -ls $(which sensible-editor)`
2072 [14:51:53] <tremolo> s/-ls/-la/
2073 [14:52:02] <tx> :)
2074 [14:52:03] <tx> yes
2075 [14:52:19] <onurhann> forget the hardware, test iso images
with virtual machines
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2077 [14:52:27] <tremolo> though I suppose the a isn't really
needed
2078 [14:52:30] <onurhann> if they still fail the problem is with
the iso images
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2080 [14:52:32] <Aebian> well /usr/bin/sensible-editor points to
vim because if I just enter it into the terminal I get the vim about
page
2081 [14:52:42] <Aebian> weird
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2083 [14:52:58] <tx> Aebian: try what you did in the screenshot
again
2084 [14:53:00] <tx> see if you can reproduce
2085 [14:53:34] <Aebian> maybe the crontab thingy is pointing to
nano
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2087 [14:53:45] <Aebian> because I can reproduce it
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2091 [14:55:08] <Aebian> because ectab is just alias
ectab="sudo crontab -e -u"
2092 [14:55:27] <Aebian> so crontab is called
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2096 [14:55:55] <Halcyforn> last thing because 2 years ago i have
small problem with debian installer always want cd when i use stick
on older laptop
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2100 [14:56:18] <tremolo> "The -e option is used to edit the
current crontab using the editor specified by the VISUAL or EDITOR
environment variables. After you exit from the editor, the modified
crontab will be installed automatically. If neither of the
environment variables is defined, then the default editor
/usr/bin/editor is used"
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2102 [14:56:29] <missmbob> Halcyforn: how are you copying iso to
usb?
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2104 [14:56:52] <tremolo> Aebian: Do you have either of those
variables set? What does /usr/bin/editor point to?
2105 [14:57:00] <Halcyforn> windows yumi ?
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2111 [14:57:27] <missmbob> !yumi
2112 [14:57:27] <dpkg> well, yumi is a tool that can make bootable
usb device. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images,
as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in
hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb
install>, <win32diskimager>
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2115 [14:57:45] <missmbob> Halcyforn: that's why
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2117 [14:58:07] <Aebian> tremolo: command is in the bottom left
corner:
replaced-url
2118 [14:58:23] <Aebian> so I could try if export EDITOR=vim will
work
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2124 [14:59:59] <tremolo> So /usr/bin/editor is vim. If either of
those variables is set to nano, it would override.
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2134 [15:02:26] <Halcyforn> missmbob ok if yumi is bad tell me how
to make working usb stick on windows . in guide on debian site is
only how to do this on linux: " dd if=<plik>
of=<urządzenie> bs=4M; sync"
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2137 [15:02:54] <Aebian> tremolo: found the issue. In
/root/.selected_editor is nano set
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2140 [15:03:11] <Aebian> and since sudo runs stuff as root bingo
2141 [15:03:18] <missmbob> Halcyforn: the guide says something
else. so does the message i had the bot sent you. win32diskimager
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2143 [15:03:25] <tremolo> Halcyforn: win32diskimager is pretty
usable.
2144 [15:03:33] <tremolo> Aebian: Awesome
2145 [15:03:34] <Halcyforn> oh no
2146 [15:03:39] <Halcyforn> this shit
2147 [15:03:59] <missmbob> the shit that works, yes
2148 [15:04:04] <Halcyforn> 2 day i recovery usb stick after mint
2149 [15:04:09] <Halcyforn> 2000 partitions
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2152 [15:04:37] <teraflops> what are you talking about?
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2158 [15:05:45] <Halcyforn> last time when i use this win32 shit
he create 2000 maybe less partitions when i try do linux mint live
stick
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2164 [15:06:13] <teraflops> yeah maybe a bit less
partitions…
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2167 [15:06:42] <Halcyforn> idk windows disk manager get lag when
see how many partitions is there
2168 [15:07:00] <Halcyforn> 16 gb stick full of small partitions
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2171 [15:07:44] <tremolo> win32diskimager should just write out
what's in the image. Maybe there was something off about that
Mint image?
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2174 [15:08:06] <teraflops> Halcyforn: this is debian not mint, 2
I dont know how did you create that usb stick, it works for everyone
else, and why do you care about the number of partitions is a
mystery for me
2175 [15:08:48] <missmbob> Halcyforn: btw with win32diskimager
(says so on the install guide), if you dont see the debian iso
rename the extension to img
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2187 [15:11:20] <mint> lol
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2191 [15:12:04] <xiaoji> hello, every friends!
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2193 [15:12:21] <tremolo> Hi
2194 [15:12:22] <teraflops> tremolo: since win32diskimager copies
the raw img to the usb device and subsequently it erases whatever it
was there before I dont get what you mean
2195 [15:12:24] <mint> Hi.
2196 [15:12:30] <mint> I dont undestand.
2197 [15:12:32] <SuperSeriousCat> Hi, not-friend
2198 [15:12:33] <mint> sorry.
2199 [15:13:00] <tremolo> teraflops: Because it does exactly that,
any partitions it created must have been present in the image it
copied.
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2203 [15:14:04] <xiaoji> I want to know which time debian 9 can be
download?
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2205 [15:14:09] <teraflops> mint: if you're going to make a
joke every time anyone says mint, it's ok, if it annoys you,
deal with it or change your nick
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2207 [15:14:22] <missmbob> xiaoji: when it's ready
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2209 [15:14:48] <xiaoji> I heart that 2017-6-17
2210 [15:14:52] <mint> ah, ok. kkkkkkkk
2211 [15:14:55] <marrenarre> xiaoji: See the topic.
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2213 [15:15:21] <missmbob> xiaoji: it's "maybe"
6-17. and that doesnt even tell you a time to download
2214 [15:15:46] <xiaoji> is America time or pacific time?
2215 [15:15:51] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
2216 [15:15:52] <xochilpili> why when im trying to execute a ELF
LSB executable i got this: bash: ./sample_one: No such file or
directory ???
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2218 [15:16:29] <xochilpili> file sample_one: ELF 32-bit LSB
executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked,
interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.15,
BuildID[sha1]=a01d6d16a59c7f0d7ec00ab5454eed2eb22bd20d, not stripped
2219 [15:16:36] <missmbob> xochilpili: you installed 64-bit but
didnt enable 32-bit with multiarch?
2220 [15:16:48] <xiaoji> if is pacific time, 3 hours later I can
download the image file of debian 9
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2223 [15:17:36] <xochilpili> uname -a : Linux host 3.16.0-4-amd64
#1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2224 [15:17:41] <xochilpili> missmbob, ^
2225 [15:17:53] <themill> xiaoji: it is when it is ready
2226 [15:17:55] <missmbob> xochilpili: so, yeah. enable 32-bit
with multiarch
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2228 [15:18:09] <xochilpili> and to enable 32-bits?
2229 [15:18:18] <missmbob> !multiarch howto
2230 [15:18:18] <dpkg> methinks multiarch howto is
replaced-url
2231 [15:18:24] <xochilpili> thanks
2232 [15:18:25] <themill> xiaoji: if you install it today it is no
different to if you install it tomorrow
2233 [15:18:29] <marrenarre> xiaoji: I think the ETA is only down
to which day; they don’t mean at 00.00.
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2235 [15:19:05] <missmbob> they're not even hard set on the
day. thus, when it's ready
2236 [15:19:09] <xiaoji> I cant wait
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2239 [15:19:30] <marrenarre> xiaoji: Why not?
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2241 [15:19:55] <xochilpili> missmbob, --add-architecture x86 or
i386 ??
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2243 [15:20:06] <xiaoji> too
2244 [15:20:06] <xiaoji> Long-awaited
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2246 [15:20:23] <marrenarre> Are you just saying that you are
excited?
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2249 [15:20:59] <missmbob> xochilpili: i386
2250 [15:21:00] <xiaoji> 期待已久. you can understand.
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2252 [15:21:16] <marrenarre> xiaoji: I cannot understand that.
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2254 [15:21:42] <ber532k> Does it make much of a difference? You
can already debootstrap stretch -- and that's probably really
just the same you get via the released iso
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2256 [15:21:57] <themill> Tomorrow is about making ISO images,
nothing more.
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2259 [15:22:29] <petn-randall> Well, and also declaring it
released and cracking a cold one ;)
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2261 [15:22:46] <xiaoji> for example. I will give you 1 billion $
at 2016-10-10 and now time is 2016-10-09.期待已久
2262 [15:23:14] <marrenarre> xiaoji: Why are you placing those
non-English letters there?
2263 [15:23:16] <themill> there will be precisely zero package
changes between what is in stretch today and stretch tomorrow. There
will be one additional signature on Release.gpg and one symlink
changed.
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2268 [15:24:03] <xochilpili> missmbob, after doing apt-get update,
then i have to: apt-get install links:i386 ?
2269 [15:24:03] <xiaoji> i cant use english Expression Integrally
2270 [15:24:13] <teraflops> this conversation is pointless
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2272 [15:24:24] <Guest22234> Is there command for debian pastebin?
like fedora has fpaste that uploads things to fedora's
pastebin?
2273 [15:24:31] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
2274 [15:24:31] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a
<pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude
install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste
the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See
also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
2275 [15:24:32] <xochilpili> i just wanted to run that 32bits
ELF's
2276 [15:24:34] <petn-randall> Guest22234: ^^^
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2282 [15:25:21] <xiaoji> i use google translate to talk
2283 [15:25:34] <mint> i too
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2287 [15:25:55] <mint> i also
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2289 [15:26:06] <mint> xiao whats your lenguage?
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2292 [15:26:13] <xiaoji> chinese
2293 [15:26:15] <xochilpili> missmbob, done, thanks!
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2295 [15:26:17] <petn-randall> xiaoji: What's your native
language?
2296 [15:26:20] <mint> lol
2297 [15:26:25] <mint> cool
2298 [15:26:27] <petn-randall> !cn
2299 [15:26:27] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian
相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot
頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC
程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！
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2301 [15:26:40] <danielh1234> petn-randall: nice
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2303 [15:26:47] <petn-randall> xiaoji: You might find other people
in this channel, that also speak mandarin. ^^^
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2309 [15:27:31] <mint> speak esperanto
2310 [15:27:54] <mutante> speak Lojban
2311 [15:28:08] <xiaoji> debian-cn no people
2312 [15:28:25] <missmbob> OFTC not freenode
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2314 [15:28:33] <petn-randall> xiaoji: Are you sure you connected
from the right IRC network?
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2316 [15:28:41] <danielh1234> xiaoji:
replaced-url
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2319 [15:29:25] <teraflops> xiaoji: yeah #debian at OFTC is a
great place for sharing your feelings about the iso not ready
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2325 [15:30:57] <Aebian> haha
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2429 [16:07:22] <DrBunsen> Hello, is there a program to make a
remote desktop connection to behave the same way as mouse capture
and full screen works in virtualbox? The machine is on the same
network so bandwidth and latency shouldn't be an issue. My
websearching skills are not advanced enough to find this.
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2442 [16:10:36] <donofrio> what is it called when an application
is able to have it's position and such stored at logout?
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2444 [16:11:29] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: I'm not sure I fully
understand your question, especially "to behave the same way as
mouse capture and full screen works in virtualbox". But there
is xrdp which can also be installed on VMs running in VirtualBox.
2445 [16:12:24] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: I just want to control a
remote computer like it was local, I think x forwarding should do
the trick
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2454 [16:16:08] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: Ok, so what kind of
program are you still looking for?
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2459 [16:17:32] <DrBunsen> I just want to connect to a box with a
strong videocard to run some graphic applications.
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2464 [16:18:34] <DrBunsen> and I want to load the screen from that
box into my current screen.
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2466 [16:19:20] <frosty> does it work to upgrade to stretch right
now?
2467 [16:19:47] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: as in OpenGL support,
smooth video and 60+fps / high resolutions? Or just for OpenCL /
CUDA (rendering and such)?
2468 [16:20:15] <frosty> from /etc/apt/sources.list to change from
jessie to stretch
2469 [16:20:30] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: 60 fps would be best, if I
just want to render I will do it through cli I suppose ;)
2470 [16:21:06] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: Is your machine with the
powerful GPU a VM or another physical machine on your network?
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2474 [16:21:42] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: another machine, I used
the virtualbox example in the hopes to make it clear what I was
looking for.
2475 [16:22:38] <new-nick> hi there, just a quick question. I
learnt command line history are stored in .bashrc history. Wonder
does it store all commands output into a file ?
2476 [16:23:18] <petn-randall> new-nick: The history is saved in
~/.bash_history. ~/.bashrc is your local bash config. Output is not
saved.
2477 [16:23:20] <new-nick> Basically, I want to record all the
commands out put to file but not wish to give -o filename every time
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2479 [16:23:58] <new-nick> petn-randall: any way to save all the
output or activities, automatically?
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2481 [16:24:41] <SwedeMike> new-nick: permanently, or for a
shorter duration?
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2482 [16:24:56] <SwedeMike> new-nick: but it's not good for
permanently recording all output.
2483 [16:24:56] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: There's VirtualGL,
but I have not used it in the way you described. Arch Wiki (sorry :)
has a nice overview
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2487 [16:26:12] <new-nick> temporarily. I have bad practice to
give command without realising the output. With record output, I can
review the command/output.
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2490 [16:26:58] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: Hmm, that looks
interesting, but that doesn't make me able to run Steam on the
other box and send the rendering to my current box(I do not want to
install non-free packages on my main machine).
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2496 [16:28:09] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: As far as I understand it
that's exactly what it does. Which part do you believe not to
work that way?
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2498 [16:29:18] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: I thought it would send
the OpenGL calls to the box and returns them. That implies that I
need steam on my main machine right?
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2507 [16:32:01] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: The diagram under
"Using VirtualGL with X11 forwarding" shows a server (your
powerful PC) running both the application (Steam / game) and the
OpenGL rendering. You should only need an X server and VirtualGL
client on your main (pun intended) machine.
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2512 [16:34:57] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: Ahh, silly me, I thought
the left one was the client...... But great that I need x11
forwarding, currently trying that out.
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2517 [16:36:38] <danielh1234> DrBunsen: Depending on your reasons
not to install non-free software keep in mind that allowing
untrusted code to access to your X server is very bad security-wise.
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2525 [16:40:20] <DrBunsen> danielh1234: That is true, but I will
probably run it once, and steam is probably not too bad to run.
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2534 [16:43:52] <ber532k> new-nick: did you try script?
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2542 [16:45:16] <new-nick> What is script. Please give search term
to know about script
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2546 [16:46:00] <new-nick> Just looking into asciinema. Not really
something I want.
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2549 [16:47:17] <ber532k> try `man script`
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2551 [16:47:45] <ber532k> it's just a small programm that
logs everything that happens in the terminal to a text file
2552 [16:47:48] <Antix_> Hi
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2555 [16:49:26] <ber532k>
replaced-url
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2562 [16:51:05] <likcoras> Hi, I'm using the 'pass'
password manager, it comes with a 'passmenu' script that
auto-types the passwords for me. However, when the password is
something like eg. `"password"blah` it types
`passwordblah`. I think there was a bug report with a workaround,
but I can't seem to find it.
2563 [16:51:12] <new-nick> ber532k: awesome man! Just what I
wanted. Simply super. A native application and get the job done
2564 [16:51:19] <new-nick> ber532k: thank you
2565 [16:52:13] <likcoras> The actual lin in the script that does
the typing is `xdotool - <<<"type --clearmodifiers --
$(pass show "$password" | head -n 1)"`, how would I
fix this so it handles passwords with all sorts of special
characters?
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2567 [16:52:16] <ber532k> welcome
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2575 [16:54:08] <new-nick> SwedeMike: thank you too, Asciinema is
not exactly useful to record and view.
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2578 [16:55:55] <danielh1234> lindbergio: try `xdotool type
--clearmodifiers -- "$(pass show "$password" | head
-n 1)"` (untested)
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2581 [16:56:19] <greycat> likcoras: that may be a bit too
specialized for #debian. What is "xdotool" and why is the
script passing a line with "type" and so on to it on
stdin?
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2583 [16:56:37] <danielh1234> likcoras: ^, sorry lindbergio
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2586 [16:57:39] <likcoras> greycat: xdotool is used to simulate
typing, from what I can tell, so it takes the password from
'pass' and types it to whatever I'm focused on.
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2592 [16:58:08] <likcoras> danielh1234: will try, one sec.
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2594 [16:58:31] <greycat> likcoras: it's literally receiving
the line "type ----clearmodifiers -- yourpassword" on
stdin
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2596 [16:58:39] <danielh1234> likcoras: greycat is right tough,
passing it via - <<< seems overly complicated unless we are
missing something from the unknown context.
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2598 [16:59:26] <likcoras>
replaced-url
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2600 [17:01:34] <greycat> have you tried: xdotool type
--clearmodifiers "$(pass show "$password" | head -n
1)"
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2603 [17:01:57] <likcoras> danielh1234: thanks, yours seems to be
working. But can you see any reason it's done the way it is
done in the git? I'm just worried that they did it that way
because of some edge case or something.
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2606 [17:02:27] <DrBunsen>
2607 [17:02:28] <likcoras> greycat: yes, just tried it, seems to
be working with the previously problematic one.
2608 [17:02:29] <greycat> I'm basing that on
replaced-url
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2633 [17:09:30] <new-nick> ber532k: just one question. I find
Script save the output the file after exiting. Some times, with
power failure, it would be better if the outputs saved as
"happening" rather than saved when exited.
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2635 [17:10:22] <new-nick> option "-f, --flush run flush
after each write" is it something to use in order to save the
output on regular basis ?
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2638 [17:10:51] <greycat> Sounds like it.
2639 [17:11:05] <greycat> Try It And See
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2642 [17:11:52] <new-nick> its working. recording the output as
giving the commands/output
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2645 [17:12:26] <danielh1234> likcoras: not really, the git link
you posted just got rid of the subshell with head and reads via pipe
which should not make a difference for typical password sizes. As
for the original version you gave I'm not even sure it handles
consecutive space etc correctly.
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2649 [17:13:30] <greycat> danielh1234: well, you came up with the
same version I did, so it's a pretty good first guess...
2650 [17:13:47] <likcoras> Ah, alright. Time to figure out which
of my passwords were being typed wrong all this time... sigh.
2651 [17:13:55] <likcoras> Thanks for the help!
2652 [17:13:59] <danielh1234> np
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2654 [17:14:24] <likcoras> Oh wait, I'm pretty sure this was
in a bug report before, but I can't seem to find it.
2655 [17:14:41] <likcoras>
replaced-url
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2674 [17:19:38] <danielh1234> likcoras: Only if someone filed it
there or if it's a Debian specific bug. Normally the upstream
bug tracker is a good place to look as well but there does not seems
to be one in this case.
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2676 [17:20:33] <likcoras> Huh. I guess I was mistaken, huh.
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2797 [17:39:58] <celyr> we are under attack I repeat we are under
attack
2798 [17:40:08] <se1_> SOUND the alarm!
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2819 [17:45:31] <toruvinn> under a tack?
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2827 [17:48:18] <n_blownapart> hello on jessie 8 32 bit gnome ,
how do I reduce windows to the dock as in osX ? I'd like to see
a yellow button if possible
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2832 [17:48:53] <n_blownapart> or what do you call that in linux
so I can read about it?
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2836 [17:49:22] <mtn> n_blownapart: you would have to install a
dock, first
2837 [17:49:44] <n_blownapart> that's different from the side
bar ?
2838 [17:49:46] <n_blownapart> mtn
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2841 [17:50:04] <xp> n_blownapart:
replaced-url
2842 [17:50:10] <mtn> n_blownapart: I assume so, it is in my mind.
what do you think you want?
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2847 [17:51:00] <n_blownapart> I looked at elementary xp thanks. I
have an older machine and I'm super happy with debian 32bit.
just as similar to osX behavior as possible mtn
2848 [17:51:04] <webuser5224> What about that spam above?
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2851 [17:51:46] <mtn> n_blownapart: you should be able to research
how to change it to your taste. gnome has extensions which may do
what you want or you will have to install a dock from the repos
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2853 [17:51:54] <greycat> Talking about spam is almost as annoying
as spam itself. It's done. There's nothing more we can do
about it.
2854 [17:51:56] <danielh1234> webuser5224: It's just that:
Spam. Just ignore it.
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2857 [17:52:34] <greycat> n_blownapart: there is also a #gnome
channel that may have more GNOME users than we do
2858 [17:52:50] <mtn> n_blownapart: this may help:
replaced-url
2859 [17:53:13] <n_blownapart> nice ! mtn greycat thanks
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2862 [17:56:18] <n_blownapart> gnome layout manager script is in
alpha: use at your own risk. -- do you figure this is safe for an
older thinkpad 32 bit machine? I'm in Colombia now, if I screw
up my system I'll be .. screwed mtn
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2866 [17:58:35] <mtn> n_blownapart: if you are so concerned, why
not leave your system looking like it is now? that would be safest
;)
2867 [17:59:23] <danielh1234> n_blownapart: and when you are in a
situation where you cannot easily obtain one, always have a live /
rescue CD / USB with you.
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2870 [17:59:56] <n_blownapart> mtn I really just need the docking
feature, to click on the "yellow" button to send a window
to the background
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2872 [18:00:24] <mtn> n_blownapart: your choice how you want to
use your machine. pretty or safe? your choice
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2874 [18:00:46] <mtn> n_blownapart: do you mean you want a
minimize button?
2875 [18:01:07] <greycat> It sounded like a standard Windows 3.x
minimize to me.
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2878 [18:01:40] <greycat> But I don't know anything about
GNOME or OS X.
2879 [18:01:42] <n_blownapart> mtn yeah
2880 [18:02:09] <mtn> n_blownapart: you can add a minize button
using tweak tool. it should already be installed
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2884 [18:03:15] <john_rambo> I just install flash plugin by doing
>>>
replaced-url
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2888 [18:04:19] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2893 [18:05:33] <greycat> So now it's
"about:components" because Things Have To Change Because
Users Might Actually Not Be Confused If We Leave Them Alone
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2927 [18:17:22] <dob1> hi, how can i specify in rsnapshot backup
directories with spaces in name?
2928 [18:18:01] <dob1> i tried to put \ before the space, but
nothing
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2953 [18:26:24] <The-Dune> Hello all
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2958 [18:29:14] <dob1> it's very weird... the configtest
gives me no errors, but running it , it fails when source dir have
spaces
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2961 [18:29:40] <dob1> I can't believe that in 2017 a program
fails if there is spaces in the name..
2962 [18:29:43] <greycat> sounds like a bug
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2967 [18:31:28] <TEA16> I always use _ or -
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2971 [18:32:08] <greycat> You can't use spaces in mount point
names in /etc/fstab either, because the file is whitespace
delimited.
2972 [18:32:57] <greycat> scp fails very very hard if you put a
space in any pathname that is sent to a remote system. scp .bashrc
foo:/tmp/"test ing"
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2978 [18:36:59] <dob1> considering that rsnapshot gives me config
ok and it check if the directory exists, when it generate the rsync
command it generates something like: /usr/bin/rsync -a --delete
--numeric-ids --relative --delete-excluded /tmp/a b
/backup/alpha.0/localhost/
2979 [18:37:02] <dob1> that fails
2980 [18:37:19] <dob1> just tried to put \ in the config file in
the path, quoting etc
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2986 [18:38:14] <dob1> /tmp/a\ b/ is right
2987 [18:38:18] <greycat> bug #609443
2988 [18:38:19] <judd> Bug
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2991 [18:39:00] <dob1> I am on the source directory but i think
it's the same
2992 [18:39:13] <dob1> it's 6 years old ? :)
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2996 [18:41:50] <greycat> I don't know rsnapshot, but it
looks like 609443 only put a tiny band-aid on one instance of the
much deeper problem
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3011 [18:47:21] <dob1> greycat, ok you can use _ for spaces in all
paths, but it's a bit weird, it seems to be in 1990, imho
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3013 [18:47:39] <greycat> I'm not defending it. It's a
very obvious bug.
3014 [18:47:40] <dob1> you can't have a backup fail because
there is a space in a path
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3029 [18:55:15] <Hello_World> Hi there, is someone familiar with
docker ?
3030 [18:55:38] <greycat> !anyone
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3032 [18:55:38] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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3036 [18:56:45] <Hello_World> Sorry, I need to fix this :
"Cannot connect to the Docker daemon. Is the docker daemon
running on this host?"
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3040 [18:57:14] <qman__> that means the docker daemon is not
running
3041 [18:57:17] <Hello_World> I tried : sudo usermod -aG docker
3042 [18:57:20] <greycat> Make sure you gave it the right
hostname. Make sure docker is running on that host, and listening to
the correct network interface(s).
3043 [18:57:35] <Hello_World> ok
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3104 [19:11:10] <Guest47131> hi
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3112 [19:14:22] <Hello_World> fixed! thank you greycat ;)
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3124 [19:19:48] <Guest47131> Planning to switch to Debian 9
Stable. Does debian get the latest Firefox updates?
3125 [19:20:15] <greycat> Stable releases track firefox-esr, which
is the semi-stable browser release series.
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3127 [19:20:49] <greycat> (There is no such thing as a stable web
browser. Web browser developers do not care about that. They only
care about shiny and making numbers bigger.)
3128 [19:20:54] <jhutchins> Guest47131: If you think you need the
latest you can download it from mozilla.
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3132 [19:21:08] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
3133 [19:21:09] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
wheezy-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1;
stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release:
52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1;
stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-1
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3135 [19:21:28] <Guest47131> jhutchins, will that be fine with the
system's stability in the long run?
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3137 [19:21:47] <greycat> If you download your own browser, then
you have to keep doing that every time you want to update it.
3138 [19:21:52] <greycat> It's your call.
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3141 [19:22:09] <Guest47131> greycat, yeah, that's true, but
that will hardly take a moment
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3151 [19:25:12] <maret> good morning channel, i am trying to
install nodejs od 7.1 debian but I am getting an error about unmet
depdencies and I am not really familiar with the issue enough.
Anyone could please find a second to take a look?
replaced-url
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3154 [19:25:51] <greycat> ,v nodejs
3155 [19:25:52] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2;
jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch:
4.8.2~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.11.0~dfsg-1
3156 [19:26:01] <greycat> "When experimental isn't
bleeding profusely enough..."
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3158 [19:26:18] <lavenders1> why do i get 'system cant
recover error' when plugging my luks encrypted ssd into another
computer?
3159 [19:26:55] <maret> greycat: not sure I am following
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3162 [19:27:11] <maret> is it possible to install 6.9.1 version at
all?
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3164 [19:27:25] <greycat> I thought it was 7.1
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3166 [19:27:44] <maret> node version 6.9.1 on 7.1 Debian
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3168 [19:28:09] <greycat> ... what.
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3170 [19:28:26] <greycat> a wheezy (oldstable) Debian that's
10 point releases behind current?
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3172 [19:28:39] <greycat> and you want to install a bleeding edge
nodejs on it
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3179 [19:29:25] <teraflops> maret: there's no
package/backport as the bot already pointed
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3181 [19:29:37] <teraflops> for such version ^
3182 [19:29:54] <greycat> P.S. tomorrow, wheezy will no longer
even be oldstable. It will be older than oldstable.
3183 [19:30:02] <maret> teraflops: so there is no way to install
it ?!
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3185 [19:30:25] <greycat> Is there a specific REASON you are
running a wheezy that is 10 point releases behind on security
patches?
3186 [19:30:26] <teraflops> maret: maybe
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3189 [19:31:13] <Spec> greycat: ...is tomorrow the day?
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3191 [19:31:17] <greycat> see /topic
3192 [19:31:24] <Spec> zomg
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3194 [19:32:29] <maret> greycat: thats what is running on my lan
disk...
3195 [19:32:37] <teraflops> maret: but as greycat suggested if you
want upstream version idk why are you running old....stable
3196 [19:32:38] <maret> WD my cloud in particular...
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3198 [19:32:53] <maret> I can take a look if they provided safe
update
3199 [19:33:21] <greycat> Can you first apply all the wheezy
security patches? Wheezy is up to 7.11 now.
3200 [19:34:26] <maret> yeap will take a look at that
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3203 [19:34:49] <greycat> This is also worth looking into:
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3205 [19:34:51] <greycat> !wheezy lts
3206 [19:34:52] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7
"Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive
additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until
2018-05-31. See
replaced-url
3207 [19:35:19] <maret> btw I am planning to install one sharing
program on that and I want to do it in safest way possible. I am not
linux expert so any recomendation what to do? So far I created
separate user just for that
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3212 [19:38:14] <simpledat> Hi are anyone using vpnfailsafe here?
3213 [19:38:41] <petn-randall> !anyone
3214 [19:38:41] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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3241 [19:48:54] <lavenders1> i fail to boot my luks encrypted
debian8 from ssd on another computer, while the original one is
fine. Is the HW somehow engraved in the system settings or is it
just luks?
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3247 [19:50:00] <lavenders1> after entering the cryptsetup
password, it takes few secs then whitescreen with error notice
' system cant recover with that !smiley'
3248 [19:50:13] <missmbob> lavenders1: it should work. my guess is
one has efi and the other doesnt?
3249 [19:50:29] <missmbob> no, not if you get to that point.
sorry, dont know
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3251 [19:51:08] <lavenders1> one has uefi yes, the original
doesnt, mmh
3252 [19:51:43] <lavenders1> is there some kind of fallback shell
i can recover from, grub shell maybe even?
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3257 [19:52:39] <velix> 1 more day, 1 more day.
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3259 [19:52:52] <missmbob> lavenders1: which iso did you use? the
live iso doesnt support efi
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3265 [19:54:22] <petn-randall> lavenders1: You have to either boot
it in efi or legacy BIOS, whatever you used during installation.
It's a firmware limitation, Debian can't work around it.
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3267 [19:55:01] <missmbob> petn-randall: *any* iso *but* live
supports efi, btw
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3271 [19:55:34] <petn-randall> missmbob: I'm referring to
lavenders1 settings on the new system.
3272 [19:55:35] <lavenders1> so !live would be fine whether the
new computer has efi or legacy?
3273 [19:55:39] <missmbob> lavenders1: that was for you ^
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3276 [19:56:17] <lavenders1> thank you i try to catch up on all
the new vocab
3277 [19:56:18] <missmbob> lavenders1: you shouldnt use live to
install at all. it has various known and unknown bugs
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3282 [19:56:37] <simpledat> ERROR: Linux route add command failed:
external program exited with error status: 2
3283 [19:56:41] <simpledat> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
3284 [19:56:41] <simpledat> what does this mean?
3285 [19:56:50] <endersending> Anyone in here use zfs with Debian?
3286 [19:56:50] <lavenders1> i think i choose network install
3287 [19:57:09] <endersending> Is it fairly stable?
3288 [19:57:25] <missmbob> lavenders1: that should be fine with
efi
3289 [19:57:30] <koollman> simpledat: typically, you're
trying to add a route that is already there
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3293 [19:57:54] <greycat> Or the route command failed for any
other reason, e.g. missing firmware.
3294 [19:58:02] <greycat> Though usually a firmware issue would
appear earlier.
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3296 [19:58:12] <simpledat> koollman: so what should I do? I use
this
replaced-url
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3319 [20:10:10] <lavenders1> what shall i do now: the board
h110mstx has uefi and the image was not live - meaning it should
work, where to start debugging?
3320 [20:10:37] <lavenders1> whats the actual error behind the
whitescreen
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3324 [20:14:00] <danielh1234> lavenders1: are your fstab and
crypttab entries all UUID-based?
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3347 [20:21:13] <lavenders1> danielh1234: yes file-system-uuid
then mountpoint etc, like /etc/fstab:
3348 [20:21:24] <lavenders1>
UUID=02e67b85-1aed-4f3b-bd36-096f2a0cf7f0 /boot ext4 defaults 0 2
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3350 [20:21:58] <lavenders1> sda2_crypt
UUID=d7583b9e-9df1-451a-a3c5-04bee93b5fe7 none luks
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3353 [20:22:30] <danielh1234> lavenders1: can you boot into rescue
mode from GRUB?
3354 [20:22:48] <lavenders1> grub shell works if meant?
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3358 [20:23:37] <danielh1234> lavenders1: I mean the other
automatically generated entries in GRUB. The ones that do not start
the whole system but just give you a single user shell.
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3366 [20:24:50] <lavenders1> yeah i am in the rescue mode shell ,
welcome to rescue mode it says
3367 [20:25:13] <lavenders1> i am root
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3372 [20:25:39] <teraflops> no, it's: I am groot ^
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3375 [20:26:06] <teraflops> uhhh wrong buffer
3376 [20:26:38] <dashs> Any guaranteed way to always boot in text
mode -- I've tried everything?
3377 [20:26:50] <greycat> systemctl set-default multi-user.target
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3379 [20:27:15] <dashs> greycat -- does not work on my system
3380 [20:27:20] <greycat> What version of Debian?
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3382 [20:27:30] <dashs> jessie (8)
3383 [20:27:39] <greycat> Did you replace the init system
(systemd) with some other?
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3388 [20:28:11] <greycat> what does this print: ls -ld /sbin/init
3389 [20:28:11] <dashs> No -- systemd is there -- did specify kdm
for DM
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3393 [20:29:08] <dashs> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Apr 8 15:08
/sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
3394 [20:29:23] <greycat> Then that systemctl command should work.
Unless you did something really, really weird.
3395 [20:29:43] <danielh1234> lavenders1: Is everything normal in
rescue / recovery mode? Everything mounted etc.? Do the logs provide
any information or do they not get written when the boot fails?
3396 [20:30:13] <dashs> Never wanted the DM but went along with it
thinking I could disable it later.
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3400 [20:31:29] <greycat> well, removing the package may work
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3402 [20:32:40] <dashs> greycat: this is a WEB server in the
basement and I don't want to compromise it unduly.
3403 [20:33:06] <greycat> I can't imagine why you have kdm
installed on a web server in the first place.
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3406 [20:33:38] <tomboy64> exit
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3409 [20:33:52] <dashs> Because installation forced me into it.
3410 [20:33:55] <lavenders1> big log: noticable: acpi exception
ae_not_found during name lookup, then: api: all acpi tables
successfully acquired; i went through the whole log, towards the end
systemd starts cryptsetup.target local-fs tmpfiles networking all
without errors
3411 [20:34:51] <lavenders1> all system services nec. for staring
at boot have been succ. started, kernel/userspace/raminit all ok
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3415 [20:36:03] <lavenders1> i had to enter the pw for luks
os-partition, on the beginning, does that mean i have unlocked it ?
( i guess no bec, the kernel is in unencrupted boot partiction
right?)
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3417 [20:36:37] <lavenders1> * damn my grammar
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3424 [20:38:44] <lavenders1> danielh1234: but the bash history
shows entries i entered in the os terminal back in the days, mmh
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3430 [20:40:17] <onca> help, my possessions are turning against me
today, it's been a pretty crappy day because of it. For
instance my raspian is stuck in single user mode with no kb input.
The only kb I have is the logitech wireless which worked in runlevel
2. Please help me recover this system?
3431 [20:40:35] <greycat> !raspbian
3432 [20:40:35] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
replaced-url
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3437 [20:42:16] <onca> ooh this is frustrating
3438 [20:42:21] <onca> thanks greycat
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3452 [20:47:20] <danielh1234> lavenders1: looks like your
encrypted '/' volume is mounted then. if your system
normally boots into graphical.target try `systemctl start
multi-user.target` and see if you can log in normally. if so it
might just be an X problem.
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3459 [20:51:03] <lavenders1> danielh1234: bunch of output, now
stuck at last message: aufs au_opts_verify:1570:dockerd 1103:
dirperm1 breaks the protection by the permission bits ont he lower
branch';
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3465 [20:52:28] <danielh1234> lavenders1: that's a weird
error to be caused by a hardware change. you could try temporarily
disabling the docker service.
3466 [20:53:29] <lavenders1> oh now: info task agetty blocked for
more than 120 secs, tainted 3.16 amd64, then call trace:
?schedule_timeout, ....., system_call_fast_compare, now i am still
waiting
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3474 [20:56:31] <jhutchins> ,kernels
3475 [20:56:32] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-3-686
(4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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3477 [20:57:19] <danielh1234> lavenders1: blocked kernel tasks,
that sounds more it. Now just need to find out which piece of the
new hardware the kernel does not like or is broken. If the logs
don't give any clues you might disconnect devices until it
boots, start with external ones obviously.
3478 [20:57:30] <danielh1234> *more like it
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3480 [20:58:06] <danielh1234> *Now we should have reread that...
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3482 [20:59:14] <lavenders1> shall i abort or will there be more
output? i will try to detach a usb hub, there is 2xram , 1hdmi to
monitor and mouse/keyboard (cable), ill try
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3487 [21:01:36] <danielh1234> lavenders1: if you cannot get any
logs now don't wait. Also RAM and Monitor do seem unlikely,
start with USB, as for internal devices I have a half-broken SATA
HDD which causes traces like that from time to time (at least I
think that is the cause).
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3496 [21:03:42] <Fallenour> hey jelly you or greycat on
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3504 [21:06:21] <lavenders1> it must be software side: i have
cloned the ssd and used sata to usb3.0 with the same error, i have
vga now and now usb hub, 1x ram , this is bare minimum
3505 [21:06:36] <lavenders1> *no usb hub
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3507 [21:07:35] <lavenders1> is it possible to boot into text mode
and not xfce ?
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3509 [21:08:29] <greycat> !nodm
3510 [21:08:29] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default
multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with
"aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm
xdm". "echo false
>/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM,
or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a
minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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3512 [21:09:54] <danielh1234> lavenders1: That's what the
`systemctl start multi-user.target` was supposed to do (temporarily
out of you already running rescue mode, for permanent see greycats
answer)
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3514 [21:10:35] <greycat> you can also specify a kernel boot
argument to override the default target just once
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3516 [21:11:26] <lavenders1> is there a more minimalistic approach
than start multi-user.target?
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3520 [21:11:51] <Fallenour> hey greycat im having issues getting
python-mssql to install
3521 [21:11:54] <Fallenour> any ideas?
3522 [21:12:01] <greycat> !bat
3523 [21:12:02] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
3524 [21:12:09] <JordiGH> Someone told em that Debian is no longer
officially "Debian GNU/Linux", just "Debian"
(it's cleaner). Real or malarkey?
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3528 [21:12:46] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3531 [21:13:05] <Fallenour> that doesnt really help me here
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3534 [21:13:41] <Fallenour> I know how to use apt-get, ive already
updated, ive already checked in apt-cache (no dice), and im watching
both the videos on an install with it, as well as looking at the
newton install
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3537 [21:13:47] <Fallenour> both worked for them, but not for me
3538 [21:13:49] <Fallenour> ideas?
3539 [21:14:04] <greycat> Fallenour: /msg dpkg bat
3540 [21:14:10] <guavas> hello everyone. my asus eeepc with debian
8 is having trouble with the audio: works fine with the built-in
speakers but when I plug the headphone or speakers it goes mute. I
tried setting everything up in alsamixer, no good. Any help?
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3550 [21:15:49] <teraflops> try pulseaudio?
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3554 [21:16:26] <lavenders1> guavas: i solved it with usb 2.1
system by using pavucontrol,
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3557 [21:16:59] <libreman> Can somebody help me setup virtualbox
on debian strech? When running `/sbin/rcvboxdrv setup` it tells me
to install `linux-headers-4.9.0-2-amd64` which is not available.
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3561 [21:17:12] <teraflops> I meant. are you sure you're not
already using pulseaudio
3562 [21:17:24] <lavenders1> danielh1234: is it possible to start
the graphical target step by step, rather than by
'chain-recation'?
3563 [21:17:26] <borrougagnou> re
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3566 [21:18:23] <greycat> libreman: upgrade to the 4.9.0-3-amd64
kernel image, reboot, install the headers for *that* one, and
proceed with module building
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3575 [21:19:18] <libreman> Ah thanks greycat, I didn't
realize that i was still on 4.9.0-2
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3577 [21:19:28] <guavas> teraflops, thanks for the reply. I'm
not sure, how can I check it? Both with alsamixer and volti mixer I
can turn up and down volume and stuff, just not when speakers are
connected
3578 [21:19:48] <guavas> lavenders1, you mean you are using an
external audio card?
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3581 [21:20:11] <teraflops> guavas: pgrep pulseaudio
3582 [21:20:13] <lavenders1> yes, there is a bunch of settings in
the gui, could check it out
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3585 [21:20:56] <Fallenour> my lawd greycat , that site is a
godsend
3586 [21:20:57] <Fallenour>
replaced-url
3587 [21:21:02] <dashs> greycat: having switched display managers,
it's apparently necessary to also 'systemctl disable'
kdm, gdm3, etc.
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3590 [21:21:50] <danielh1234> lavenders1: I don't know about
systemd stepping or similar. There's list-dependencies but
I'm sure someone can come up with a more convenient solution to
isolate the problematic service.
3591 [21:21:50] <greycat> Only for you, dashs.
3592 [21:22:37] <dashs> Or anyone else who stepped outside the
yellow lines.
3593 [21:22:40] <lavenders1> danielh1234: thank you for your time
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3595 [21:22:45] <danielh1234> np
3596 [21:23:15] <dashs> greycat: thanks for your aid.
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3603 [21:24:18] <libreman> greycat that did the trick :)
3604 [21:24:22] <Fallenour> any thoughts greycat?
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3610 [21:26:14] <greycat> Fallenour: Yes. My thought is that you
should fucking TELL US THE ERROR, and all of the other information
that was requested MULTIPLE TIMES by the bot's "bat"
(basic apt troubleshooting) factoid.
3611 [21:26:38] <Fallenour> I already gave the link man, and I
said it wont let me install python-pymysql
3612 [21:26:46] <Fallenour> again though, the link:
replaced-url
3613 [21:26:48] <greycat> ah. ok, let me scroll up
3614 [21:26:54] <Fallenour> lol
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3621 [21:27:16] <Willie> quicktalkeh676te.onion: Spydar007
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3622 [21:27:16] <Willie> quicktalkeh676te.onion: hubot
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3624 [21:27:16] <Fallenour> been a long day?
3625 [21:27:23] <greycat> .v python-pymysql
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3627 [21:27:33] <danielh1234> not again...
3628 [21:27:37] <greycat> ,v python-pymysql
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3630 [21:27:38] <judd> Package: python-pymysql on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 0.7.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.7.10-1; sid: 0.7.10-1
3631 [21:27:46] <esaym153> cool
3632 [21:28:22] <greycat> python-pymysql does not exist in jessie;
only in jessie-backports. So you'll have to enable
jessie-backports and install it from there.
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3636 [21:28:36] <r0bby> Sigyn: oh I didnt see you caught it
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3639 [21:29:03] <Fallenour> ok Ive never done that before. would
it be sudo -t jessie-backports apt-get install python-pymysql
3640 [21:29:08] <Fallenour> @greycat
3641 [21:29:12] <Fallenour> @judd
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3646 [21:29:28] <OS-29528> !Alpha
3647 [21:29:28] <dpkg> WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture.
Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly,
affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP!
(oops, the morgue))) for details.
replaced-url
3648 [21:29:37] <greycat> -t is not a command. you can't put
an option in front of the command name.
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3651 [21:30:30] <Fallenour> ooh, I was curious. I saw the original
instruction set with su -t /bin/sh -c
3652 [21:30:36] <Fallenour> so I kinda figured that might work
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3654 [21:30:57] <missmbob> you should read the instructions.
replaced-url
3655 [21:31:01] <Fallenour> what would be the appropriate syntax
instead?
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3657 [21:31:09] <Fallenour> ooh perfect! thank you @missmbob
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3659 [21:31:41] <Fallenour> and im guessng add this to
sources.list
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3662 [21:31:59] <missmbob> stop guessing. read the instructions
3663 [21:32:16] <Fallenour> yeap, and yea, shoulda read one line
down
3664 [21:32:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o eir
3665 [21:32:27] *** eir sets mode: -bo $x:*gk*1wm*su*@*$##not-a-honeypot
eir
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3669 [21:35:20] <OS-29528> /join #offsec
3670 [21:35:28] <OS-29528> !Alpha
3671 [21:35:29] <dpkg> WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture.
Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly,
affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP!
(oops, the morgue))) for details.
replaced-url
3672 [21:35:47] <shtrb> OS you really need a private room with
dpkg
3673 [21:35:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o greycat
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3676 [21:36:10] <bodeezl> ~
3677 [21:36:10] *** greycat sets mode: -o greycat
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3679 [21:36:38] <Fallenour> ok so Im confused now missmbob
greycat, I followed the instructions, and its giving me an error.
posting it next line
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3681 [21:37:00] <Fallenour> The value 'jessie-backports'
is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not
available in the sources
3682 [21:37:10] <shtrb> Hi Fallenour , still fighting the debain
battele against the network device ?
3683 [21:37:14] <Fallenour> deb
replaced-url
3684 [21:37:14] <Fallenour> deb
replaced-url
3685 [21:37:14] <Fallenour> deb
replaced-url
3686 [21:37:14] <Fallenour> deb-src
replaced-url
3687 [21:37:14] <Fallenour> deb
replaced-url
3688 [21:37:15] *** Fallenour was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use
replaced-url
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3691 [21:37:40] <Fallenour> ugh...
3692 [21:37:49] <danielh1234> Fallenour: `apt update`?
3693 [21:37:53] <Fallenour> one sec
3694 [21:38:00] <Fallenour> just got kicked for pasting my
sources.list
3695 [21:38:06] <shtrb> Fallenour , use some paste site
3696 [21:38:16] <shtrb> you can have a max of three lines
3697 [21:38:27] <Fallenour>
replaced-url
3698 [21:38:32] <Fallenour> alriht, and that is my sources.list
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3700 [21:39:11] <Fallenour> ok ran apt update
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3703 [21:39:30] <Fallenour> OOOH!
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3705 [21:39:33] <Fallenour> it worked!
3706 [21:39:36] <Fallenour> I seriously love you guys
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3708 [21:39:58] <shtrb> Was I kicked before ?
3709 [21:40:14] <Fallenour> shtrb sure am. Wont rest until I have
a working debian openstack
3710 [21:40:19] <Fallenour> im getting very close
3711 [21:40:46] <shtrb> I think with so much work you could just
bring the rig to the stretch party
3712 [21:40:56] <Fallenour> once im past identity services, its
just nova and cinder/ceph away from working, minus vm management and
l2/l3, which will be relatively eas(ish)
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3715 [21:41:36] <Fallenour> I would absolutely love to do that,
but I want to do it myself. As annoying as it is, and incredibly
hard seeing my newness to debian, I want to learn it myself isntead
of being spoon fed, which is why im stumbling through it
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3717 [21:42:06] <Fallenour> If I struggle, Ill grow
3718 [21:42:16] <shtrb> nice approach
3719 [21:42:30] <Fallenour> I was taught well by my mentors to
teach myself, but to know when to ask for help
3720 [21:42:32] <missmbob> you are being spoon up and annoying us
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3723 [21:42:48] <missmbob> and just chatting. no one cares
3724 [21:43:10] <shtrb> missmbob , don't speak for everyone
3725 [21:43:21] <Fallenour> I would respectfully disagree with you
missmbob, I went from knowing nothing about debian in two days to
almost having installed openstack on it
3726 [21:43:22] <mint> this channel is about what?
3727 [21:43:41] <missmbob> support. not chatting about his mentors
3728 [21:43:45] <jolt> mint: Stable Debian release support
3729 [21:43:59] <mint> hmm, ok.
3730 [21:44:07] <mint> thank you.
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3732 [21:44:19] <shtrb> missmbob , visit #debian-offtopic for
rants
3733 [21:44:35] <missmbob> !chat
3734 [21:44:35] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a
Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support
question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or
##chat on irc.freenode.net.
3735 [21:44:45] <teraflops> shtrb: eh nono
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3737 [21:45:13] <shtrb> teraflops ?
3738 [21:45:25] <greycat> dpkg, chat =~ s/like/like
#debian-offtopic, or/
3739 [21:45:26] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3741 [21:45:35] <shtrb> oh , sorry
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3744 [21:45:56] <mo1991> areplaced-url
3745 [21:46:11] <teraflops> shtrb: stop sending people to offtopic
for ranting
3746 [21:46:46] <shtrb> ok
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3754 [21:48:38] <fiberbaby> is there a terminal command for
closing the dvd tray?
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3756 [21:48:59] <missmbob> eject should work for most
3757 [21:49:01] <jhutchins> fiberbaby: Sometimes eject works.
3758 [21:49:07] <shtrb> eject
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3760 [21:49:37] <fiberbaby> but I want to load/close not eject :)
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3762 [21:49:56] <shtrb> fiberbaby , eject can close (if the device
support it)
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3764 [21:49:58] <qman__> there's no difference as far as the
machine is concerned, it's a toggle
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3766 [21:50:05] <fiberbaby> I see
3767 [21:50:38] <Fallenour> whts the best way to export my history
output from running the history command so I can study it and
improve on my systems use?
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3772 [21:50:50] <jhutchins> fiberbaby: Just checked mine, eject -t
/dev/sr0 worked (plain eject did not).
3773 [21:51:08] <greycat> Fallenour: just copy ~/.bash_history if
you've already exited/saved the current shell's history
3774 [21:51:11] <fiberbaby> eject -t worked for me thanks :D
3775 [21:51:15] <Fallenour> For instance, my history command shows
about 222 lines on my current install, id like to keep it lined and
numbered like it currently is, and export it from the system to my
windows system so I can look at it in notepad++
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3777 [21:51:25] <jhutchins> fiberbaby: There's a manpage with
several other options.
3778 [21:51:38] <shtrb> Fallenour , you can copy that file
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3781 [21:52:08] <Fallenour> so would I use copy ~/.bash_history
> output.txt | ssh@.... ?
3782 [21:52:31] <Fallenour> or use something built into putty
itself?
3783 [21:52:35] <greycat> it's already in a file. Just copy
the file.
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3785 [21:52:53] <shtrb> you can just scp ~/.bash_history
user@server:~/
3786 [21:53:01] <greycat> You don't need to copy it to
output.txt and then copy output.txt. Just copy the original file.
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3791 [21:54:30] <shtrb> Is there a second wave of release parties
after the 17'th ?
3792 [21:54:42] <jhutchins> Note that the history of the current
session isn't written to the file until you exit the session.
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3794 [21:54:52] <shtrb> other than (replaced-url
3795 [21:55:01] <oerheks_> jhutchins, really ? eject &&
eject -t # should open & close
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3798 [21:55:31] <jhutchins> oerheks_: In the past eject &&
eject would open then close, my current system wants -t.
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3801 [21:56:00] <jhutchins> ...for close.
3802 [21:56:01] <shtrb> jhutchins , the man says not all support
the 't' argument
3803 [21:56:04] <lavenders1> danielh1234: hey it works, i am in
text-mode, what
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3806 [21:56:16] <greycat> Other ways to force the current
shell's history into the file include "exec bash" (my
favorite), or "history -a"
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3808 [21:56:20] <lavenders1> to do now
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3810 [21:56:27] <shtrb> *the man page
3811 [21:56:30] <jhutchins> shtrb: Correct. Which I take to mean
not all drives can be closed from the CLI.
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3815 [21:57:58] <lavenders1> danielh1234: startxfce4 I AM SO
HAPPY, i want to shit bricks :p
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3819 [21:59:07] <danielh1234> lavenders1: Sounds rather painful.
Does graphical.target work now, too?
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3824 [21:59:50] <shtrb> lavenders1, that what wombats do people
usually have a different colon
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3826 [22:01:52] <danielh1234> lavenders1: also, what solved your
problem in the end?
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3828 [22:02:00] <lavenders1> did not try, in resuce shell:
systemctl set-default multi-user.target, then exit, then login as
regular user, and i am in textmode, the startxfce4
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3834 [22:04:15] <danielh1234> lavenders1: Well, if you solved the
problem that occurred at start you should be able to do a normal
boot into graphical.target via the default GRUB entry, right?
3835 [22:04:40] <Fallenour> so I tried scp, it shows the file
transfer sending properly to the specified folder I want it in so I
can transfer it with WinSCP, but its not showing in the dir when I
look into it with WinSCP
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3839 [22:06:03] <danielh1234> Fallenour: look for a hidden files
option, files starting with a dot (.) are considered hidden in many
contexts.
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3842 [22:06:20] <shtrb> Fallenour , the path after the user is the
home dir
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3844 [22:06:35] <shtrb> it's : user@server:path
3845 [22:06:47] <Fallenour> yea I did that. I tried something
diff, and I got it
3846 [22:06:54] <Fallenour> it didnt give me the line count, but I
wont complain
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3849 [22:07:15] <greycat> cat -n file
3850 [22:07:19] <Fallenour> it also showed me Ill need to open
some ports in order to use direct scp and other transfers
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3852 [22:07:41] <greycat> scp just sits on top of ssh, so you if
you can ssh, you can scp
3853 [22:07:56] <shtrb> scp should work over ssh (it can fallback
on other things , but default should be ssh)
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3856 [22:08:11] <greycat> I don't think scp has any fallbacks
3857 [22:08:24] <greycat> you might be thinking of rsync
3858 [22:09:19] <toogley> hey. does
replaced-url
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3865 [22:13:33] <lavenders1> danielh1234: in rescue shell i have
to to set systemctl set-default multi-user.target OTHERWISE i would
get the exact same whiteerrorscreen when #exit like i get on regular
boot
3866 [22:13:36] <shtrb> grecat , you are correct
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3869 [22:13:53] <mutante> toogley: no, you'll want the GNOME
image then
3870 [22:14:08] <lavenders1> it seems like the symlink has to be
created before exiting, otherwise whitescreen
3871 [22:14:14] <mutante> toogley: "Debian Live Standard is
Debian without the Graphical User Interface." "Debian Live
Gnome is Debian Standard with Gnome."
3872 [22:14:30] <shtrb> dpkg , give me an unoffical image with
firmwares
3873 [22:14:30] * dpkg gives shtrb an unoffical image with firmwares
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3875 [22:14:44] <shtrb> /msg dpkg unoffical iso image
3876 [22:14:49] <shtrb> #%@%#
3877 [22:15:34] <toogley> mutante: hm. but gnome and xfce and such
is too big for a CD.^^
3878 [22:15:43] <greycat> !live firmware
3879 [22:15:43] <dpkg> Live images with firmware included can be
found at
replaced-url
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3881 [22:15:51] <mutante> toogley: i assume you really want this
to be a Live CD and not a classic install, right? otherwise i would
say just get the very small netinstall image and install whatever
you want from the net
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3884 [22:16:06] <shtrb> thank you greycat
3885 [22:16:24] <danielh1234> lavenders1: ok, so at this point you
can start XFCE directly but not via your display manager. If you
really need one try another one to see if that solves it.
3886 [22:16:33] <greycat> !firmware image
3887 [22:16:33] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
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3889 [22:16:53] <greycat> Debian's "live" images
are shit at installing. Don't try to install using them.
3890 [22:16:59] <toogley> mutante: yep, you're correct
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3892 [22:17:08] <lavenders1> ok
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3894 [22:17:11] <mutante> toogley: DVD then ? hmm
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3896 [22:17:49] <toogley> mutante: i don't have a dvd. and i
don't want to use my usbstick.^^ i guess i have to use sth like
partedmagic or so
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3900 [22:18:11] <shtrb> toofley boot from net ? (pxe)
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3906 [22:19:36] <mutante> toogley: compact flash card in reader ?
i once installed on that by accident, hehe
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3909 [22:20:43] <toogley> shtrb: the usage is a emergency system i
can use when my openBSD install fails somehow.^^ therefore, pxe
doesn't work. (well. the main reason is, i don't have the
infrastructure for pxe)
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3912 [22:21:14] <toogley> mutante: i'll try systemrescuedisc.
that seems the best option i have. :D
3913 [22:21:20] <toogley> thanks for your help guys
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3918 [22:22:19] <xormor> at what time is stretch going to be
published as stable? I already upgraded to it, and the directory
names say "testing" in them.
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3921 [22:22:48] <greycat> You should change that to
"stretch" now.
3922 [22:23:06] <greycat> I assume you meant "the lines in
sources.list", not "directories"
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3924 [22:23:27] <lavenders1> when will debian9 be stable?
3925 [22:23:29] <shtrb> toogley , I once setup a pxe on a
"router" :-(
3926 [22:23:29] <icarious> So when will everyone get
'stetched' ? Do the release follow 00:00 UTC ? :P
3927 [22:24:11] <toogley> shtrb: that's waaay too risky for
me xD
3928 [22:24:12] <greycat> I seriously doubt it will be at a
precisely round time.
3929 [22:24:14] <mutante> xormor: one more day it seems
3930 [22:24:36] <icarious> greycat: a precise round time cron job
would be fun :P
3931 [22:24:40] <shtrb> toogley , worst case you get a fresh
debian install after power outage
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3933 [22:25:31] <icarious> Are there any last minute changes like
some new secret wallpaper / artwark that gets pushed? or everything
will be as is from 'testing' ?
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3936 [22:26:15] <bumbar_> stretch will use kernel 4.5 or 4.9?
3937 [22:26:19] <greycat> The actual release process is
"someone changes some symlinks", after a great deal of
double checking, discussion, asking this person and that, etc.
3938 [22:26:30] <greycat> it's 4.9.30 currently
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3940 [22:26:46] <icarious> Ya, I checked yesterday.
3941 [22:27:03] <xormor> greycat, deb
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3943 [22:27:12] <icarious> Good release, specially for somewhat
post 2015 hardwares
3944 [22:27:12] <greycat> xormor: ok, that's fine.
3945 [22:28:06] <greycat> stretch will (probably!) continue
following the 4.9.x kernel series, merging new upstream point
releases from time to time
3946 [22:28:49] <icarious> Coincidentally 4.9 is the last of the
kernels to support the last public grsec patch : /
3947 [22:28:58] <icarious> I hope there's a fork sometime
soon. I will stick to 4.9 for now
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3951 [22:30:00] <icarious> I always wondered are there any
specific reasons / licensing issues that prevented Debian from
adapting Ubuntu's Ubiquity as an installer to simply copy the
live image to the HDD?
3952 [22:30:23] <icarious> That would get a lot of people from the
Ubuntu/ Mint world to consider moving to Debian.
3953 [22:30:26] <greycat> the #debian-live channel on OFTC would
have the people who know about the live images
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3955 [22:30:33] <icarious> Ok. thanks
3956 [22:30:37] <icarious> I will just report there
3957 [22:30:49] <icarious> ah you said OFTC. Ok
3958 [22:31:11] <greycat> Almost all of the Debian IRC channels
are on OFTC.
3959 [22:31:40] <icarious> Yes I know. Personally I find OFTC to
be better then Freenode.
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3963 [22:32:39] <TEA16> What is OFTC?
3964 [22:32:55] <greycat> !oftc
3965 [22:32:56] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology
Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC
network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network.
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3967 [22:33:30] <TEA16> Ok thank
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4003 [22:53:01] <wallbroken> on virtualbox with 1 gb of ram is
better to install 32bit or 64bit debian?
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4006 [22:54:54] <JNICH0L> wallbroken: I'd go for 64 if you
aren't too bothered about how much RAM the VM uses.
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4010 [22:55:56] <wallbroken> JNICH0L, 6 gb of ram the entire
computer
4011 [22:56:05] <wallbroken> 1 gb dedicated to the VM
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4013 [22:56:34] <JNICH0L> wallbroken: What will the VM be running?
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4020 [22:58:04] <wallbroken> JNICH0L, debian linux with xlde
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4026 [22:59:40] <greycat> If it's intended for desktop use
I'd go with amd64.
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4030 [23:01:08] <JNICH0L> wallbroken: Seems like it's just
going to be used to experience the OS. I'd stick with 54, but
if you can stretch to 2GB, I would.
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4032 [23:01:50] <wallbroken> there is some difference between 32
ans 64?
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4034 [23:02:17] <JNICH0L> Mathematically, or with Debian?
4035 [23:02:23] <greycat> amd64 will use a bit more memory, but
over the next few years you're going to see less and less stuff
available for i386; it's dying out pretty fast
4036 [23:02:28] <greycat> google-chrome is already amd64 only
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4038 [23:02:54] <humbot> wah
4039 [23:03:02] <teraflops> some distros are dropping i686 support
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4044 [23:03:47] <sine0> apart from whatismyip.com and various
other websites, is there a local cli way to find out the external IP
address? obviously I could log into my home routher but i wondered
if there was another way.
4045 [23:03:52] <Darby_Crash> hi guys. i have a issue on stretch
with Ghost.py. I have installed it using sudo easy_install -U
Ghost.py but when i run a python script i have ImportError: cannot
import name Ghost
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4048 [23:04:03] <greycat> sine0: no, there isn't, and there
can't be, if you think about it for a few minutes
4049 [23:04:58] <sine0> i thought a traceroute would show it at a
certain point but it didnt.
4050 [23:04:59] <teraflops> sine0: nope, but you can curl to many
sites for getting your wan ip
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4054 [23:05:30] <danielh1234> sine0: teraflops `curl
icanhazip.com`
4055 [23:05:36] <greycat> or wooledge.org/myip.cgi
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4057 [23:05:45] <teraflops> like a gazillion
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4059 [23:06:34] <sine0> greycat: nice one.
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4061 [23:07:50] <borrougagnou> hi I have a problem with grub, I
looking for how to change my keyboard layout in grub :/ I have try
different tutorial but nothing work :/ I obtain this keyboard layout
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4062 [23:08:11] <borrougagnou> *grub2
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4068 [23:09:56] <borrougagnou> I have 3 partition: gpt1 =
/boot/efi ;;;; gpt3 = /boot ;;;; gpt6 or 8 = /
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4103 [23:23:01] <mr-sad> Good day my good people
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4105 [23:23:20] <mr-sad> Have an inquiry. Trying to rm -rfv a
directory
4106 [23:23:36] <mr-sad> I thought -f told it to ignore missing
file or directory errors
4107 [23:23:46] <mr-sad> but it occasionally stops the rm with
"rm: fts_read: No such file or directory"
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4109 [23:23:50] <mr-sad> Any thoughts?
4110 [23:24:06] <bub_> hm
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4113 [23:24:25] <bub_> doesn't say anything about directory
errors though
4114 [23:24:29] <bub_> what's the deal?
4115 [23:24:41] <mr-sad> The recursive rm halts with that message
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4117 [23:24:50] <mr-sad> The directory is around 2TB estimated
4118 [23:24:56] <bub_> hah..
4119 [23:25:04] <mr-sad> Far as I know rm while slow is really
only way
4120 [23:25:10] <mr-sad> unless know of faster way
4121 [23:25:21] <Anon1337_> Hi, I've just build a new machine
and when I try to run the 9.0 RC5 netinstall it doesn't find
the lan card? It's Intel I211 which I think should work ok.
Both arch and fedora can use ti etc. Any idea how to fix this?
(Using the non-free iso because of AMD GPU)
4122 [23:25:23] <mr-sad> but afraid of it halting during weekend
before get back Monday
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4124 [23:25:35] <bub_> rm -rf .. shouldn't it always work ..
:P
4125 [23:25:47] <bub_> of course.. with sudo
4126 [23:25:55] <teraflops> mr-sad: big dir?
4127 [23:26:03] <mr-sad> yeah
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4129 [23:26:08] <mr-sad> huge dir tree
4130 [23:26:13] <mr-sad> totalling couple terrabytes
4131 [23:26:16] <teraflops> well that's why
4132 [23:26:30] <mr-sad> i ahve multiple instances of rm divided
up among the 21 parent directories though
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4135 [23:26:48] <bub_> maxsize for 'rm -rf' ?
4136 [23:27:01] <mr-sad> how to delete a big dir then?
4137 [23:27:13] <bub_> yeah, wondering myself, first time
I've heard of this
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4139 [23:27:17] <bub_> :)
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4141 [23:27:25] <ryouma> gnu parallel
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4144 [23:27:41] <mr-sad> well to tell truth it is Mac OSX
4145 [23:27:42] <ryouma> or wrap it in shell
4146 [23:27:51] <mr-sad> wrap in shell?
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4148 [23:27:59] <ryouma> just to at least kill what you can
4149 [23:28:11] <mr-sad> I would go in linux chan but they block
me because I am not registered
4150 [23:28:19] <teraflops> mr-sad: dont do it for the whole dir
tree
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4152 [23:28:50] <mr-sad> teraflops: I have folder ABC that has 21
sub-directories
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4155 [23:28:57] <mr-sad> all these sub-dirs total around 2
terrabytes
4156 [23:29:11] <bub_> and rm -rf.. fails? wtf..
4157 [23:29:12] <mr-sad> I have seperate rm -rfv instance for each
sub-dir
4158 [23:29:34] <teraflops> limit the dirs you delete, dont try to
delete the whole thing at one shot
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4160 [23:29:48] <mr-sad> teraflops: not even in parallel ?
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4163 [23:29:56] <bub_> that's a bad deal with rm then.. if it
can't delete big data directories
4164 [23:29:58] <teraflops> idk
4165 [23:30:00] <one_over> When I try to install software I get
this error
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4166 [23:30:06] <mr-sad> have to go
4167 [23:30:09] <bub_> welcome to 2017
4168 [23:30:14] <bub_> where 2tb is possible..
4169 [23:30:15] <ryouma> osx has limitations that debian does not
4170 [23:30:17] <Sabotender> hi, I am looking for a good
desktop-gui based imaging software so I can make an image of a
microSD card which has some system restore information for my tablet
4171 [23:30:21] <bub_> ryouma: ahh.. ok..
4172 [23:30:25] <Sabotender> can anyone recommend one?
4173 [23:30:26] <mr-sad> ryouma: really?
4174 [23:30:33] <one_over> It give me error 127
4175 [23:30:44] <mr-sad> have good weekend, thanks for help
though. have to go
4176 [23:30:54] <bub_> gl, adios :)
4177 [23:30:58] <ryouma> that was my experience. i would not
assume that debian would behave the same.
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4179 [23:31:11] <ryouma> besides, isn't osx rm bsd?
4180 [23:31:17] <ryouma> debian is gnu by default
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4183 [23:31:31] <ryouma> and the file system is hfs or whatever
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4185 [23:31:37] <bub_> well, at least based on berkeley 4.4.. hm..
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4191 [23:32:46] <ryouma> i found that there were limits in
pipelines, and strange stuff like that
4192 [23:32:52] <bub_> hm ok
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4196 [23:33:08] <ryouma> (in tiger)
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4199 [23:34:10] <Max_nl> Does anyone know when Debian 9 iso going
to be available?
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4201 [23:34:26] <bub_> 17th? hehe..
4202 [23:34:46] <Max_nl> Haha. Which time-zone ?
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4205 [23:35:29] <one_over> How do you clear an apt locked ?
4206 [23:36:07] <tnan123> is debian testing security not managed
by the debian security team similar to sid?
4207 [23:36:08] <bub_> sudo?
4208 [23:36:14] <teraflops> you remove the lock file after making
yourself there is no apt/dpkg still running
4209 [23:36:29] <bub_> if it's hang.. sudo killall synaptic
4210 [23:36:48] <one_over> i get error 127 when i try to install
deb files
4211 [23:36:50] <teraflops> bub_: :S
4212 [23:37:02] <bub_> is it bad practice? hehe
4213 [23:37:33] <one_over> installing everything in root
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4248 [23:50:21] <fadavi> hello there. please guide me to choose
between Debian (more stable) and ArchLinux (more up-to-date).
i've a ASUS N552VW-A laptop that has many problems with
gnu/linux... i think, in my case up-to-date distro is better.
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4255 [23:51:42] <jolt> fadavi: in this case you could actually
install debian 8 and update to stretch (9) tomorrow when it's
(hopefully) released
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4257 [23:52:08] <jolt> fadavi: If you always want the latest and
greatest, then you can potentially run testing
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4260 [23:52:59] <tnan123> Or even debian sid
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4262 [23:53:11] <jolt> true
4263 [23:53:39] <fadavi> jolt: aha. what is benefit(s) of debian
testing comparing to archlinux?
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4267 [23:54:17] <sypher> fadavi: I do not recommend Debian
testing, as it does not receive security updates in a timely manner.
4268 [23:54:19] <jolt> It's Debian! Read up on the mission
statement, but in short, all the software is free (as in speech) etc
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4271 [23:54:40] <jhutchins> fadavi: Not many of us are familiar
with Arch, what it's goals are, what it changes.
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4274 [23:55:04] <tnan123> @sypher would you say sid is better
since it receives security updates from the package maintainers
before testing gets them?
4275 [23:55:19] <tnan123> in terms of security
4276 [23:55:21] <jhutchins> fadavi: We here it's pretty good,
handles some hardware sooner, but can be a pain because it breaks
often.
4277 [23:55:30] <jhutchins> fadavi: Their documentation is very
good.
4278 [23:55:31] <sypher> I wouldn't say that someone asking
which to run should run either of the non-stable branches.
4279 [23:55:39] <teraflops> fadavi: asking such thing here makes
no sense at all
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4283 [23:56:41] <jhutchins> fadavi: What we usually recommend is
that you run the stable branch until you're comfortable
configuring and managing Debian, especially packages, and then
consider testing, possibly as a dual boot if you actually need the
computer, or just with backups if it's a hobby.
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4287 [23:57:36] <Fallenour> ok so back at it again, I cant get
keystone to play well. The error is: 2017-06-16 17:56:41.129 6274
CRITICAL keystone [-] NoSuchModuleError: Can't load plugin:
sqlalchemy.dialects:mysql.pymsql
4288 [23:57:44] <jhutchins> Some people LIKE having problems with
their computer, it gives them something to do.
4289 [23:57:56] <tnan123> fadavi: maybe you should look up your
specific hardware CPU and graphics card etc to see what other
experiences have been with linux since you say it's had issues
with GNU/linux
4290 [23:58:02] <jhutchins> ,v keystone
4291 [23:58:03] <judd> Package: keystone on amd64 -- wheezy:
2012.1.1-13+wheezy1; jessie: 2014.1.3-6; jessie-backports:
2:9.0.0-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:10.0.0-9; stretch: 2:10.0.0-9
4292 [23:58:08] <Fallenour> I got python-pymysql to work, after
alot of fighting, but yes
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4294 [23:58:24] <Fallenour> keystone itself is installed
4295 [23:58:29] <jhutchins> Fallenour: Oh, you're the one
messing with openstack.
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4299 [23:58:47] <Fallenour> jhutchins, yeap, and I also got it
working :D
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4301 [23:58:58] <Fallenour> almost*
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4304 [23:59:51] <fadavi> teraflops, jhutchins: currently im an
ubuntu user. my laptop, because of its new configurations, has many
problems with ubuntu (too much boot errors, pci problems, etc.) and
im thinking about migrate to another distro. i like debian-based
distros, but it seems archlinux is better for me, now :S
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