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173 [01:41:22] <POJO> hello, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
gives 404 when wget requesting an old flash player archive url
174 [01:41:34] <POJO> it goes for ver 24 which is 404 instead of
26
175 [01:41:41] <POJO> what can I do?
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181 [01:45:35] <SuperTramp83> eww, disgustingly proprietary and
totally useless malware, I'm profoundly traumatized, I'm
off, running for the hills
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198 [01:54:50] <_sfiguser> guys are generally document databases
like "mongodb" are faster for queries with respect to
RDBMS like e.g., "postgresql" ? i have an scenario where i
want to put apache web log in a database and then order things, or
sort and so on... the fact is that the logs are huge, like 10GB so i
want to be fast
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212 [02:03:43] <abrotman> _sfiguser: that's completely
dependent upon the usage scenario
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214 [02:05:29] <e2> for Tor
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219 [02:06:28] <Leis> Hey, I'm using Debian 9.1.0 Live LXDE,
is there a GUI way of changing the keyboard layout? Because
it's in English
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221 [02:06:35] <xar-> any apt experts around, i've got
nearly 200 packages held back, curious what exploded, I can't
seem to get them all installed for the life of me
222 [02:07:42] <abrotman> xar-: using which version of Debian?
223 [02:08:05] <xar-> wtf, it's on 9
224 [02:08:24] <abrotman> xar-: can you pastebin your
sources.list ?
225 [02:08:35] <xar-> how did it get on 9, that wasn't
supposed to happen
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227 [02:08:40] <xar-> sure
228 [02:08:43] <abrotman> oh, I guess you found your answer :)
229 [02:08:52] <xar-> not cool
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232 [02:09:39] <xar-> why was it not locked to the 8 branch
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236 [02:12:55] <xar-> someone educate me, how/why did this happen
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242 [02:15:13] <xar-> I changed everything from jessie to stretch
in sources.list, still 185 packages held back
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245 [02:16:21] <xar-> yup, it's thoroughly broken
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373 [03:49:30] <xar-> fresh install of stretch after the
dist-upgrade trashed my environment: "no kernel modules were
found"
374 [03:49:39] <xar-> suggestions?
375 [03:50:00] <dvs> did you reboot?
376 [03:50:02] <xar-> using the net installer flashed to a usb
stick
377 [03:50:26] <xar-> I rebooted to load the usb, yup
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406 [04:10:14] <simbalion> Hi, I'm using mail-notifier in
Debian 9 and it can't seem to play audio files .wav or
otherwise, it's got a play button and when I click it nothing
happens, I assuming I'm missing a package, does anyone know
what it might be?
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408 [04:12:00] <simbalion> nvm thunderbird can do it thats good
enough
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487 [04:30:07] <Schwarzbaer> Do I see correctly that there's
no emoji font package for jessie in main or non-free?
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498 [04:33:32] <jmcnaught> ,v fonts-symbola
499 [04:33:33] <judd> Package: fonts-symbola on amd64 -- buster:
2.59-1; sid: 2.59-1; stretch: 2.59-1
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501 [04:33:49] <jmcnaught> Schwarzbaer: I don't remember one
being available on jessie
502 [04:33:58] <jmcnaught> stretch is pretty great though âș
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505 [04:34:36] <Schwarzbaer> jmcnaught, That's testing,
right?
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507 [04:34:42] <dvs> nope
508 [04:34:48] <Schwarzbaer> Unstable?
509 [04:34:53] <dvs> no again
510 [04:35:05] <Schwarzbaer> Right, that'd be sid... Last
stable?
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512 [04:35:26] <dvs> Schwarzbaer, jessie is last stable, stretch
is current stable
513 [04:35:33] <Schwarzbaer> OH FOR...
514 [04:35:43] <Schwarzbaer> Guess I should update.
515 [04:35:48] <dvs> yup
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518 [04:36:33] <Schwarzbaer> Well then... Is there an emoji font
in stretch?
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521 [04:36:55] <jmcnaught> Schwarzbaer: yeah that fonts-symbola
package I asked judd about above
522 [04:37:49] <Schwarzbaer> How do you enter them; ibus?
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532 [04:40:03] <moony> is there any documentation or information
on how to get a package added to the main debian repository?
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534 [04:40:34] <moony> you know,
replaced-url
535 [04:41:39] <jmcnaught> Schwarzbaer: I think there are a
variety of ways to input them, including Ctrl+Shift+U<hex> for
entering unicode characters.
536 [04:41:46] <jmcnaught> !rfp
537 [04:41:46] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask
for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See
replaced-url
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539 [04:42:38] <oniMaker> should `runsvdir -P /etc/service`
always be running?
540 [04:42:41] <moony> !nmg
541 [04:42:42] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
542 [04:42:49] <Schwarzbaer> jmcnaught, memorizing hex codes is
pretty much the opposite of what I'd like to do.
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546 [04:43:35] <jmcnaught> Schwarzbaer: there's probably a
better way. I'm too old to use emojis, but I have the font
installed so I can see more than a square when the young ones are
typing
547 [04:43:39] <Dungeon> hey guys? can someone help me fix an
issue im having with apt-get? and certbot
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551 [04:44:34] <Schwarzbaer> jmcnaught, I can appreciate the
sentiment, but despite being close to completing my fourth decade,
I'd like to stay up to date, no matter how hard that is at
times.
552 [04:44:34] <Dungeon> been trying to put clam on my box and
cant until the issue is resolved
553 [04:44:47] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: if it's on Debian you
can ask here, someone might be able to help
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556 [04:45:40] <Dungeon> when i try to apt-get -f install
557 [04:45:48] <jmcnaught> Schwarzbaer: I don't know if they
qualify as emoji but I use the compose key to make âș and ♥
558 [04:45:52] <Dungeon> The following extra packages will be
installed:
559 [04:45:52] <Dungeon> certbot
560 [04:45:52] <Dungeon> Suggested packages:
561 [04:45:52] <Dungeon> python-certbot-doc
562 [04:46:11] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: please use
replaced-url
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564 [04:46:35] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Dungeon about basic apt
troubleshooting
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566 [04:47:03] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: dpkg (a bot) just messaged
you about troubleshooting information to provide
567 [04:49:02] <Dungeon> lets see after i hit send this is the
link in my browser
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572 [04:52:11] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: can you fill us in on what
happend before this?
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579 [04:55:09] <jmcnaught> did you do something with
certbot.timer for instance?
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590 [05:01:23] <registeredgirl> A Jewish-supremacist criminal
network prints the money and runs all our governments. They have
monopolized all our media, all our history. They have deceived us in
every way; lied to us about everything imaginable. This criminal
network has been expelled over 350 times through history. They never
--- ever --- quit.
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592 [05:01:35] <registeredgirl> Enemies of humanity
593 [05:01:41] <registeredgirl> Humanity.
594 [05:01:46] <Henry151> what's a nice command to tell me
what speed my processor is?
595 [05:01:49] <registeredgirl> They goyim know too much.
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597 [05:02:15] <Henry151> and what the heck is going on in here
598 [05:02:24] <jmcnaught> !ops in here now
599 [05:02:24] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught
complains about: in here now
600 [05:02:41] <registeredgirl> Shut it down. Censor the truth.
601 [05:02:45] <registeredgirl> The goyim know too much.
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603 [05:03:02] <jmcnaught> Henry151: ignore the troll. I usually
look at /proc/cpuinfo, or do you mean what speed it's currently
running at?
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605 [05:03:15] <Henry151> registeredgirl: I typed "Shut it
down. Censor the truth." as root but it didn't tell me how
fast my processor is XD
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607 [05:03:22] *** themill sets mode: +b *!*@91.227.222.7
608 [05:03:23] *** registeredgirl was kicked by themill (On the
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611 [05:03:41] <Henry151> jmcnaught: proc/cpuinfo is perfect,
thanks
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613 [05:04:29] <Henry151> 1.60GHz
614 [05:04:35] <Henry151> weeeee! I'm so fast!!! XD
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616 [05:06:18] * dvs catches up
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623 [05:11:17] <Dungeon> i worked with linode to setup certbot
then when it messed up my aptitude they say its beyond their scope
of helping. im not sure whats causing it but could be. i know my
certs are outdated on my server right now so maybe?
624 [05:13:01] <Dungeon> and sorry for the delay in response had
to go afk a sec and pick someone up without a ride from work
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642 [05:24:09] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: was
/lib/systemd/system/certbot.timer deleted at some point for some
reason?
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647 [05:27:40] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: I've got certbot
0.10.2-1~bpo8+1 working on one of my systems. The error message in
your paste from earlier is complaining that certbot.timer cannot be
found. The certbot package includes that file, and it's belongs
in /lib/systemd/system/certbot.timer. If you deleted it from there,
that could cause this problem
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694 [05:56:07] <xar-> No kernel modules were found. This probably
is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the
installer and the kernel version available in the archive.
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697 [05:57:53] <Dungeon> well i myself didnt delete it
698 [05:58:41] <Dungeon> was trying to find the command they told
me to use from linode. it looked promising but didnt work either
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700 [06:01:35] <Dungeon> ah yes here we go got the pack file and
error pasted in there.
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701 [06:02:39] <Dungeon> what led me to the error was they
claimed i may of had a malicous website on it and have been trying
to get clamav installed. however install it with that error about
certbot showing.
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708 [06:13:14] <jmcnaught> Dungeon:
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709 [06:13:17] <jmcnaught> !bat
710 [06:13:17] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
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711 [06:13:29] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: can you please provide this
^^ information
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716 [06:17:21] <Dungeon> they are both happening now and lets see
what comes up. the first paste thing was the result of using the -f
command that the second senario asked me to use. that is what linode
was saying may resolve the issue. now reading what the bot said to
see what else i can give
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718 [06:18:43] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: parts 2 and 3 are what's
missing so far
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720 [06:19:04] <Dungeon> so use apt-cache policy certbot?
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722 [06:19:41] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: include in that command any
packages mentioned in the errors you have gotten
723 [06:19:54] <jmcnaught> and then also "apt-cache
policy" without any packages listed
724 [06:19:59] <cr1t1cal> what are the advantages of debian over
gentoo? other than simplicity obviously
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727 [06:20:49] <jmcnaught> !why debian
728 [06:20:49] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom
whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of
making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See
also
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729 [06:21:39] <cr1t1cal> jmcnaught: not very specific to my
question but thanks
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732 [06:22:56] <jmcnaught> cr1t1cal: you already finished reading
all of those links? :P this is primarily a support channel,
discussions comparing distros would be better in a channel like
##linux
733 [06:23:49] <cr1t1cal> lol
734 [06:23:59] <Dungeon>
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735 [06:24:14] <Dungeon> that is policy then policy certbot
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737 [06:25:02] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: your earlier pastes mentioned
python-certbot-apache and python-certbot, need apt-cache policy of
those too
738 [06:25:19] <Dungeon> ok doke
739 [06:25:57] <hiya> is there a way to get latest firefox for
Debian stretch?
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741 [06:27:12] <xar-> "stable" not tonight it's
not, not tonight
742 [06:27:45] <jmcnaught> hiya: There is no supported way
743 [06:28:57] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell xar- about ask
744 [06:29:09] <Dungeon>
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745 [06:29:20] <Dungeon> theres policy for those 2 packages
746 [06:29:55] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: thanks. you can do more than
one package in a single command by the way. what does "apt
upgrade" do?
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748 [06:30:01] <xar-> my question, what do I do about the error I
pasted 35 minutes ago
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750 [06:30:46] <jmcnaught> xar-: provide some context
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755 [06:33:16] <xar-> 3 hrs ago: 01:49:59 < xar-> fresh
install of stretch after the dist-upgrade trashed my environment:
"no kernel modules were found"
756 [06:33:24] <xar-> it's been a fun evening for me sigh
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761 [06:34:16] <xar-> more context uhhh it's during the
install setup, right after I select a keyboard, it won't let me
install, I'm stuck in between a trashed jessie upgrade and
stretch, purgatory
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766 [06:36:00] <jmcnaught> which .iso image are you using? what
are you booting it from? how (exactly) did you copy it to USB/CD-R?
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768 [06:37:01] <xar-> i've tried a plethora of live cd
images, netinstallers, im trying some random mini.iso now
769 [06:37:23] <xar-> im using a usb stick, this process worked
fine last year for jessie
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771 [06:37:42] <jmcnaught> how did you copy the images to the
stick?
772 [06:37:51] <xar-> rufus
773 [06:37:59] <jmcnaught> that's probably the problem
774 [06:38:02] <jmcnaught> !rufus
775 [06:38:02] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use
with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and
unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about
<hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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777 [06:38:21] <xar-> well #$@$ me
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780 [06:39:06] <jmcnaught> xar-:
replaced-url
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783 [06:40:11] <jim> says the driver is radeon for your video
card
784 [06:40:16] <xar-> lovely, well in the words of Linus, rufus
is on my shitlist now
785 [06:40:23] <jim> (or the proprietary fglrx)
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788 [06:41:18] <jim> dang how did I get here... sorry
789 [06:41:20] <xar-> what must I do to ensure that the OS never
does an upgrade to a new branch ever again (like what happened
tonight)
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791 [06:42:03] <xar-> I wanted to stay locked against the 8.x
branch and screwed over during what was supposed to be a mundane
upgrade operation
792 [06:42:07] <jmcnaught> xar-: always use the codenames in
sources.list, jessie or stretch, not 'stable'. If you use
'stable', when a new release becomes stable you get
upgraded to it
793 [06:43:10] <xar-> alright, another hard lesson learned, thank
you
794 [06:43:56] <jmcnaught> xar-: when you are ready to do a
release upgrade, always read the release notes first to see
what's new, known issues, and the official upgrade instructions
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798 [06:47:02] <xar-> thanks, yea I simply didn't think I
was making the jump from jessie to stretch when I ran the command, I
just wanted to update a few packages...
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800 [06:47:46] <jmcnaught> yeah surprises suck, that's one
reason I use stable
801 [06:49:03] <Dungeon> upgrade spits that dep issue but apt-get
update works. i will paste the error i get on it also
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803 [06:51:26] <Dungeon>
replaced-url
804 [06:51:47] <Dungeon> then if you use the -f command that is
the first paste i gave you guys
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809 [06:56:18] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: to summarize, you have
python-certbot-apache and python-certbot installed at version
0.10.2-1~bpo8+1, but certbot is 0.9.3-1~bpo8+2, and when you run
"apt-get -f install" it complains about missing
certbot.timer. Can you run "systemctl status
certbot.timer" and "systemctl status certbot.service"
and "ls -l /lib/systemd/system/certbot*"?
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815 [07:01:53] <Dungeon> here we go....
replaced-url
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824 [07:12:46] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: somehow those files are
missing, they belong to the certbot package. Here are replacements
you can put in /etc/systemd/system/ for now. Note the two file names
# certbot.timer and .service, they are two separate files
825 [07:12:52] <jmcnaught>
replaced-url
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834 [07:19:47] <Dungeon> im not understanding
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836 [07:20:09] <Dungeon> :(
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839 [07:20:33] <jak2000> hi jmcnaught!
840 [07:20:42] <jak2000> tripkin saved my day
841 [07:20:47] <Dungeon> i wonder how the files are missing.
should i try to purge one of them or something?
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843 [07:21:04] <jmcnaught> certbot package comes with
certbot.service and certbot.timer, and puts them in
/lib/systemd/system. Those files are missing on your system for some
reason. My paste has the contents of both of those files. I suggest
putting them in /etc/systemd/system/ for now.
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849 [07:23:26] <Dungeon> ok so use pico and paste in the contents
for each minus the # lines for both files in the folder and write
them out with those names hold on lemme do both
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851 [07:24:55] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: yes. I'm saying to put
them in /etc/systemd/system instead of /lib… because /etc is
for sysadmins, /lib is for packages. Once the package manager
restores those files, you can remove the ones you created from
/etc/syste…
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853 [07:26:19] <atralheaven_> Hi, I want to install debian from
the netinstall iso, but it seems that I don't have the wifi
driver, how can I setup wifi for installing debian? thanks
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856 [07:27:21] <Dungeon> ok if i do an ls i see both files in
there now
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858 [07:27:55] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: try "apt-get -f
install" again and make a new paste of the output
859 [07:28:12] <Dungeon> alrighty and thanks for helping man :)
860 [07:28:20] <atralheaven_> if I install this package "replaced-url
861 [07:28:27] <Dungeon> this certbot things been driving me
crazy :)
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863 [07:28:36] <jmcnaught> atralheaven_:
replaced-url
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867 [07:31:06] <Dungeon>
replaced-url
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871 [07:33:11] <atralheaven_> jmcnaught: so with this "replaced-url
872 [07:33:19] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: ahh, you need to run
"systemctl daemon-reload" then take a look at
"systemctl status certbot.timer" again before running
"apt-get -f install" again
873 [07:34:00] <Dungeon> alright fetching info
874 [07:34:08] <jmcnaught> atralheaven_: correct, that page also
links to a non-free netinst image
875 [07:34:23] <Dungeon> the first command it took without
echoing anything
876 [07:34:33] <jmcnaught> that's good
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878 [07:35:08] <atralheaven_> I will try the original installer
with this file, I hope it works, if it didn't I will go for the
unofficial installer. thanks!
879 [07:35:45] <Dungeon> is 3 lines much to paste?
880 [07:36:41] <jmcnaught> two is the max
881 [07:37:01] <Dungeon> â certbot.timer - Run certbot twice
daily
882 [07:37:01] <Dungeon> Loaded: loaded
(/etc/systemd/system/certbot.timer; enabled)
883 [07:37:55] <jmcnaught> try 'apt-get -f install'
again, we've fixed what it was complaining about
884 [07:37:58] <Dungeon> the the last is just that its active
"Active: active (running) since Mon 2017-08-07 22:32:37 PDT;
5min ago" now the renew command if i can find it would work?
and do i need -f?
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886 [07:38:54] <Dungeon> or does that mean my cert should be
updated? guess check the ssl login?
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888 [07:39:12] <Dungeon> getting you the -f now
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890 [07:39:44] <Dungeon> its taking a moment
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895 [07:42:51] <Dungeon>
replaced-url
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903 [07:47:42] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: well we seem to have resolved
the certbot issue at least. Before we continue, can you run
'cat /lib/systemd/system/certbot*' to verify they exist
(no need to paste this). If the files are there now, you can remove
the ones you created in /etc/systemd/system/
904 [07:49:28] <Dungeon> ya it echod a response so rm -rf
bothfiles.imade?
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910 [07:50:57] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: don't need -rf
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912 [07:52:09] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: -r is recursive, meaning
delete this directory and all subdirectories and all their files. -f
is force. Only use force if necessary, such as you get an error the
first time
913 [07:52:10] <Dungeon> bet you dont know the command to have it
try and update the cert real quick right off hand do ya?
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915 [07:52:22] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: certbot renew
916 [07:52:25] <Dungeon> aye thanks
917 [07:52:29] <Dungeon> ill try that 2
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921 [07:52:59] <Dungeon> certbot.service & certbot.timer was
what you had me create ya?
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924 [07:54:37] <jmcnaught> yeah
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926 [07:55:20] <jmcnaught> and run "systemctl
daemon-reload" again after they are removed, then verify them
with "systemctl status certbot.timer" (no need to paste if
it looks okay)
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928 [07:59:28] <Dungeon> Loaded: loaded
(/lib/systemd/system/certbot.timer; enabled) i believe is the line
youre talking about? :)
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932 [08:00:34] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: good, so the certbot package
restored the missing files. It looks like you have problems with
your mysql packages now though
933 [08:00:43] <Dungeon> when i run the command certbot renew it
says cert is not due for renawl
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937 [08:01:33] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: you'll want to look at
'systemctl status mysql' and 'journalctl -u
mysql' to see what is going on there
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941 [08:02:52] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: is that correct, certificates
don't need renewal? did they renew already today after
certbot.timer was fixed? Reload or restart whatever service is using
the certificates and check the dates
942 [08:02:57] <darksky2899> hellp
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946 [08:03:01] <darksky2899> hello
947 [08:03:45] <Dungeon> linode should put you on payroll ;) just
saying
948 [08:03:47] <Dungeon> lol
949 [08:03:53] <darksky2899> what
950 [08:04:19] <darksky2899> im actully typing from windows 98
which is pretty cool
951 [08:04:27] <Dungeon> talking to jmcnaught :)
952 [08:04:35] <darksky2899> ohh ok lol
953 [08:04:44] <jmcnaught> darksky2899: do you need help with
Debian?
954 [08:05:07] <darksky2899> well i actully joind tody what do
you rlly do here
955 [08:05:18] <darksky2899> today*
956 [08:06:46] <Dungeon> i wonder if my crashing the ngix process
would effect the mysqp
957 [08:06:59] <juststrollingin> Dungeon mysql?
958 [08:07:08] <Dungeon> ya ;)
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960 [08:07:32] <darksky2899> what is mysql and ngix pls don get
mad i just want to fit in
961 [08:07:34] <juststrollingin> Dungeon I wouldn't worry
about it.
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963 [08:07:43] <darksky2899> ok
964 [08:08:07] <juststrollingin> darksky2899 mysql is a database
and nginx is a/the webserver
965 [08:08:19] <darksky2899> oh ok makes sense
966 [08:08:23] <Dungeon> well i use apache on my server
967 [08:08:35] <jmcnaught> darksky2899: this is a support channel
for Debian. If you want to chat please find a different channel on
google. If you want to learn you are welcome to watch silently.
968 [08:08:39] <juststrollingin> Dungeon why do you ask about
nginx then?
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971 [08:09:06] <Dungeon> lol long story and root of the problem
that has me asking
972 [08:09:11] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: "systemctl reload
apache2" should be enough for it to start using the new
certificates
973 [08:09:12] <Gekko> How would I debug a 3G USB stick modem
that disconnects after 90.4 or 90.5 minutes of connectivity? The
syslog simply displays "LCP terminated by peer" from pppd.
I'm trying to make this SOC device stay connected to the
internet at all times, and it's a bit annoying to write a
script that keeps resetting the 3G stick every time it goes out. We
wondered if this was a power issue since it's a SOC
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975 [08:09:18] <Gekko> device with limited power, but we
installed this capacitor circuitry between the 3G stick and the
board and saw no difference
976 [08:09:19] <Dungeon> ok
977 [08:09:28] <Dungeon> lemme paste both those commands up
978 [08:10:02] <Dungeon> need to ask more questions but its
getting so late but trying to resolve an abuse ticket i was sent on
the server
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982 [08:13:27] <simbalion> Whats the best choice for Wayland WMs
in Stretch? Gnome?
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984 [08:14:52] <jmcnaught> simbalion: probably. KDE might also
support it.
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986 [08:15:02] <simbalion> I'm looking for lightweight tho
987 [08:15:05] <Dungeon>
replaced-url
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990 [08:16:45] <Dungeon> oh you the man :) certs are updating and
its showing secure connection on
replaced-url
991 [08:17:18] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: well that's good, but it
looks like your system is pretty messed up otherwise. I hope you
have backups.
992 [08:17:57] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: also if the system was
compromised really the only sane and responsible thing to do is take
it offline and do a fresh install with data restored from most
recent backup
993 [08:18:03] <Dungeon> i sure dont have and the first report
that something happened was like 8-9 days ago
994 [08:18:25] <Dungeon> its a game server
995 [08:19:21] <Dungeon> i think the way i had it setup port 8080
was a way to login to the server and upload a database?
996 [08:19:51] <Dungeon> is how it was setup with the lamp server
traditionally but i never used any cms's yet. i hadnt got that
far yet. only been 4 months
997 [08:20:56] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: do you know why mysql was
installed in the first place, or have any idea what's been
removing files from your system?
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1000 [08:21:55] <rozie> Gekko: do you use wvdial?
1001 [08:21:56] <Dungeon> mysql is what these content management
system (cms) webpages uses so that is why it wouldve been there
1002 [08:23:08] <Dungeon> i had done a walkthrough on a lamp
server setup i believe a debian guide after my roommate rented the
linode and put webmin on it so i could get the dns working and did
the certbot thing
1003 [08:23:42] <Dungeon> then hadnt messed with it for a couple
months after losing my dad and been working on game dev when i can
1004 [08:23:48] <Dungeon> just havent done the page
1005 [08:24:37] <Dungeon> matter fact its a default <html>
Gamename Webpage hahaha
1006 [08:25:00] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: Sorry to hear about your
loss. I meant more was it you that installed the CMS or mysql, or
did they appear mysteriously? If you don't have a backup but
it's possible the system was compromised, linode might be able
to help you retrieve files from the VPS while it is offline
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1011 [08:26:06] <Gekko> rozie: I've tried using: wicd,
network manager, wvdial, self-made scripts, etc... ultimately it all
goes down to pppd handling the communications and it reporting the
failure
1012 [08:26:51] <Gekko> Seemingly after 90.4 or more minutes later
(I've observed up to about 105 minutes) the 3G stick shuts down
the connection and the stick is reseted automatically using
usb_modeswitchj
1013 [08:27:07] <Dungeon> my roommate had rolled back a months
worth of work and he enabled the backup but dont know how long back
that was
1014 [08:27:17] <Gekko> After one night of testing I'm up to
/dev/ttyUSB60
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1017 [08:27:37] <Dungeon> last time i tried to fix an issue doing
that i had to roll the shard back :/
1018 [08:28:45] <Dungeon> i should try to setup a firewall on it
while my ssl is working with webmin
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1021 [08:29:02] <Dungeon> to at least firewall about 6 ips so i
could watch my auth log reliably
1022 [08:29:06] <Dungeon> or something :/
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1026 [08:30:08] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: it's important to
understand that once a system has been compromised it's
impossible to trust it again, to know if you've completely
cleaned out all of the malware. Also I recommend for the medium-long
term to prepare for not using webmin or any other panel software
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1030 [08:31:02] <rozie> Gekko:
replaced-url
1031 [08:31:26] <rozie> plus, I recommend using wvdial - it has
auto renew option by default
1032 [08:32:24] <rozie> it also may be some idle connection
detector, but my GSM modem stays online with the same IP since I
have autossh session established
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1035 [08:32:53] <XeonSquared> So uh, did the
/etc/network/interfaces syntax change or something?
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1038 [08:33:42] <XeonSquared> ah it needs to use weirder interface
names
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1043 [08:34:51] <jmcnaught> XeonSquared: you may want to read the
release notes for other things that are different
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1051 [08:36:56] <Dungeon> ya and i try to do quite a bit of things
straight command line but think it was dns i had to use it for.
theres a couple other things it helps with sometimes but i believe
is all ive used it for on this one
1052 [08:37:07] <Gekko> I initially had a self-made systemd unit
file that launched a bash script to restart wvdial every time
network went out, but I couldn't figure out why the systemd
launched script didn't start wvdial while executing the script
worked. Right now the connection is launched by nmctl con up in a
bash script, rozie. I'll take a look at the debug option for
ppd
1053 [08:37:43] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: panels like that make me
nervous because it's something accessible by the web that has
root privileges
1054 [08:38:38] <Dungeon> the bad thing with the server and backup
is the server hadnt updated its certs for a long time. if something
happened to it then that broke the certs, then the backup wasnt
enabled at that point and time :/
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1057 [08:39:17] <simbalion> Hrm I tried logging out and changing
lightdm via the menu option to "Gnome on Wayland" but
after logging in it brings me back to the greeter screen. Both
xwayland and gnome are installed... anyone have any idea what I
might be missing, or how to figure it out? I looked at the lightdm
log and I didn't see anything obvious
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1059 [08:39:47] <jmcnaught> simbalion: does lightdm support
wayland? you might need to use gdm
1060 [08:39:49] <Dungeon> i know what im trying to get working
most cases but have an issue with some things without help :/
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1063 [08:40:06] <simbalion> jmcnaught: ah, I don't know how
to switch those
1064 [08:40:18] <Dungeon> i actually did the majority in command
line on this one. its disappointing to think somehting has happened
to it :/
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1066 [08:41:17] <Dungeon> jmc i bet you firewall your stuff pretty
good 2 huh?
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1068 [08:42:19] <bolt> how does one firewall something good?
1069 [08:42:34] <Dungeon> enable it? :)
1070 [08:43:00] <bolt> right
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1073 [08:43:29] <jmcnaught> simbalion: if gdm3 pacakge is
installed try "dpkg-reconfigure gdm3"
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1075 [08:43:48] <simbalion> jmcnaught: Thanks!
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1077 [08:44:11] <Dungeon> wish i was as good as a couple guys that
used to run shell servers i rented from back in the day. they never
ran firewalls. a couple ran partials.
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1079 [08:44:21] <Dungeon> but used to leave port ranges open
1080 [08:45:12] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: you'll learn, just keep
reading those man pages
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1082 [08:45:32] <Dungeon> lol done loads of that in the past
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1084 [08:46:23] <Dungeon> just like the rf switches i remembered
after you said it but ;)
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1087 [08:47:46] <shtrb> Does anyone have an idea how to get to the
debconf recordings ? (2017)
1088 [08:47:59] <shtrb> *lecture recordings
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1092 [08:50:36] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me with ejabberd? I
wanted it to use PAM.
1093 [08:50:43] <Dungeon> well im fixing to crash. need to try to
communicate with state farm and a state rep tom. they closed my
ticket at linode since i dont have a malicious page on it but i
gotta do something asap with it :/ hope to talk to you in the future
1094 [08:51:01] <Dungeon> thanks again
1095 [08:51:15] <jmcnaught> Dungeon: good night âș
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1118 [09:04:58] <dsc_> if I press a key on my keyboard, how can I
see what I pressed in the terminal?
1119 [09:05:01] <dsc_> the code
1120 [09:05:06] <dsc_> keycode*
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1122 [09:05:58] <simbalion> jmcnaught: Seems like GDM3
doesn't support wayland. Gnome on Wayland wasn't an option
at all. At least in LightDM it is listed as an option
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1124 [09:06:28] <jmcnaught> simbalion: that's strange because
i've use gnome on wayland from gdm3 quite a bit
1125 [09:07:08] <simbalion> jmcnaught: I'm not denying it is
strange, but the only options listed were Gnome, Gnome Classic, and
XFCE
1126 [09:07:20] <shtrb> dsc_ , xev ?
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1129 [09:08:42] <dsc_> shtrb: thx :)
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1131 [09:09:56] <jmcnaught> simbalion: does
/usr/share/wayland-sessions/gnome-wayland.desktop exist?
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1135 [09:12:13] <jmcnaught> simbalion: gdm itself is running
Xwayland on my system
1136 [09:12:46] <simbalion> Apparently gnome doesn't support
nvidia drivers in Wayland until 3.24
1137 [09:12:52] <simbalion> and stable uses 3.22
1138 [09:12:58] <simbalion> according to someone in #wayland
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1140 [09:13:32] <simbalion> So that's like, 50% of the entire
PC market
1141 [09:13:37] <simbalion> or more
1142 [09:13:41] <simbalion> probably more
1143 [09:13:43] <jmcnaught> guess you'll have to wait for
buster unless you can use nouveau
1144 [09:14:22] <jmcnaught> on the bright side Xorg doesn't
run as root on stretch
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1147 [09:14:47] <jmcnaught> that might not be true for all display
managers, not sure
1148 [09:14:57] <simbalion> I read multiple articles talking about
wayland support in stretch so all of those articles should have said
wayland support but only for AMD chips
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1150 [09:15:29] <jmcnaught> and intel. it's nvidia's
fault if you want someone to be angry at.
1151 [09:15:45] <simbalion> nvidia is the most common 3D card in
the market
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1153 [09:16:05] <jmcnaught> so wouldn't it be great if they
provided free software drivers?
1154 [09:16:21] <simbalion> intel doesn't count, they
don't really make 3D chips they make budget chips. Which is
also half of all radeon chips
1155 [09:16:30] <simbalion> jmcnaught: You won't get any
argument from me
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1157 [09:17:31] <pingfloyd> simbalion: but you keep supporting
them
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1162 [09:20:01] <simbalion> pingfloyd: Their cards are better
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1164 [09:20:19] <simbalion> I buy AMD CPUs and nVidia 3D cards
because they are better.
1165 [09:20:47] <simbalion> Historically speaking, over the last
20+ years, Radeon has the worst record for drivers and 3D cards
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1168 [09:21:15] <pingfloyd> I know ATI is infamous for terrible
drivers on all platforms
1169 [09:21:25] <pingfloyd> but at they're supporting foss
drivers better now
1170 [09:21:35] <pingfloyd> *at least
1171 [09:22:11] <simbalion> Yeah I don't buy it. The exact
same thing was said like 10 years ago and it was still a nightmare
then getting certain radeon cards to work in linux
1172 [09:22:16] <simbalion> and anyway the performance is inferior
1173 [09:22:29] <pingfloyd> if AMD were real smart they would get
gung ho on linux support even more. This is chance for them dominate
in linux as the defacto.
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1177 [09:22:44] <Schwarzbaer> nvidia drivers have, at least in
recent years, apparently become quite decent on Linux. But these
days, I hate nvidia with a passion because of cuDNN, their far too
successful way of building a walled garden...
1178 [09:22:50] <pingfloyd> (get the edge over nvidia in this
market)
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1181 [09:23:41] <pingfloyd> Schwarzbaer: there walled garden is
the only thing I don't like about them (nvidia). But
that's a big thing for me.
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1184 [09:23:55] <pingfloyd> their*
1185 [09:24:47] <Schwarzbaer> pingfloyd, sadly, it's a so
important and interesting topic that I'd even buy nvidia over
ati these days, as much as I'll have a need to take a shower
afterwards.
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1188 [09:25:20] <Schwarzbaer> Maybe some genius will abuse SPIR-V
into breaking that particular monopoly...
1189 [09:25:28] <pingfloyd> AMD should seize the opportunity more
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1191 [09:25:48] <pingfloyd> AMD makes a lot of dumb decisions
though
1192 [09:25:56] <Schwarzbaer> For all I care, CUDA should go the
way of Cg already.
1193 [09:25:57] <hexhaxtron> Anyone using ejabberd with PAM? I
can't make it work...
1194 [09:26:07] <pingfloyd> but at least they've made some
more recent intelligent ones
1195 [09:26:23] <lazarus_zed> early Athlon era is awesome
1196 [09:26:57] <pingfloyd> lazarus_zed: not too early though
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1198 [09:27:12] <pingfloyd> like their 686 chips were pretty meh
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1203 [09:27:55] <pingfloyd> I guess the would be pre athlon era
though now that I'm remembering
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1206 [09:29:47] <shtrb> hexhaxtron , I used to use it in the past
1207 [09:30:10] <shtrb> you need to manually enable it
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1217 [09:35:13] <simbalion> Could anyone tell me how to properly
switch to Nouveau drivers from nvidia drivers, and if it's
possible to easily switch back should it cause some games to fail?
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1221 [09:37:42] <rudi_s> simbalion: Remove nvidia drivers, install
noeveau drivers, adapt Xorg.conf if necessary, reboot. Do the
reverse to get back to nvidia drivers.
1222 [09:38:12] <rudi_s> (Make sure that you can do that without a
running X as it not be available if something goes wrong.)
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1230 [09:43:25] <hexhaxtron> shtrb: can you guide me step by step?
I've tried ejabberd, jabberd2 and prosody without success...
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1245 [09:51:49] <shtrb> hexhaxtron , did you get it enabled and it
have an error or you failed to enable it ?
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1296 [10:25:28] <celyr> Hi
1297 [10:25:34] <celyr> I'm trying to install citadel-suite
1298 [10:25:45] <celyr> but I'm getting an error
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1300 [10:27:06] <celyr>
replaced-url
1301 [10:27:17] <celyr> and this as soon as I apt-get install it
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1357 [11:06:28] <moozer> I'm trying to access this IRC
channel through riot/matrix.org. I get a "not invited"
error. Does anyone use riot to acces this channel?
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1385 [11:25:18] <celyr> moozer, you are joining another channel in
another network
1386 [11:25:30] <celyr> since you would end in debian-overflow
anyway
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1393 [11:27:47] <moozer> celyr: It just works with 5-10 other
channels - all except #debian
1394 [11:27:58] <moozer> celyr: what is debain-overflow?
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1411 [11:36:25] <forcerecon> How do you move icons in the menu
system so that they show up in the folders YOU want them in and not
the ones they were put into when installed? and if you move them
when they get updated will they be duplicated back to where they
were originally?
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1419 [11:38:26] <forcerecon> For example There are two liboffice
maths, one is put in office and the other in education. I would like
to delete the education folder. I want to put vmware icon into my
programming folder and remove it from administration
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1424 [11:41:17] <celyr> moozer, a channel were you eventually get
redirected if you can't join here for reasons
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1434 [11:46:26] <moozer> celyr: I seems like something that should
be doable, so it might be a "bug" or config issue
somewhere. Is there a way of getting in touch with a channel
operator?
1435 [11:46:45] <celyr> !ops
1436 [11:46:45] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1437 [11:47:13] <celyr> I don't think the issue is there
anyway
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1445 [11:50:30] <moozer> celyr: I lack the overview of the system,
so talking to someone who has it usually helps :-)
1446 [11:50:38] <moozer> celyr: tanks
1447 [11:51:16] <celyr> moozer, what is riot/matrix.org ?
1448 [11:51:45] <samouy> celyr,
replaced-url
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1450 [11:52:05] <samouy> and riot is one client
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1452 [11:52:38] <moozer> celyr: matrix.org is a distributed (OSS)
chat system (including video calls)
1453 [11:52:51] <celyr> omg that thing gave me ebola
1454 [11:53:08] <moozer> celyr: they have set up
"bridged" to enable users to connect to IRC channels.
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1458 [11:54:40] <celyr> probably it's something in the
gateway I really don't know
1459 [11:54:50] <celyr> moozer, can you tell us the nickname ?
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1463 [11:56:44] <forcerecon> can someone explain this based on
dropbox but running stretch? -
replaced-url
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1466 [11:57:00] <moozer> celyr: for the channel?
#freenode_#debian:matrix.org
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1469 [11:57:50] <celyr> moozer, I mean
1470 [11:58:06] <celyr> the nickname that you are not able to join
to this channel
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1473 [11:58:27] <moozer> celyr: I use the same "moozer"
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1476 [11:58:51] <celyr> you can't have the same nickname
1477 [11:59:18] <celyr> it means you are in different networks
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1479 [11:59:47] <forcerecon> in debian flood there is more
information, does this just mean that dropbox installation is gone?
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1504 [12:10:07] <forcerecon> what should a normal stretch
sources.list look like?
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1536 [12:16:03] <forcerecon> is anyone working today? :)
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1573 [12:18:01] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: your question with the
menus was a bit confusing. Could you please rephrase? Do you mean
the menus that start applications such as in Mate or Xfce Desktop?
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1590 [12:18:35] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: also, I don't
think anyone here is paid for support, we're all just users or
maybe devs who help people in their free time.
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1605 [12:19:18] <forcerecon> thanatos-inc_: I am talking about the
area that shows up showing all your installed applications when you
click the work Menu with the little cog at the bottom left of your
screen in debian stretch cinnamon
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1611 [12:19:37] <sunkan> I don't understand why but since
upgrade to Stretch alt-v will not scroll backwards in emacs anymore.
It works with plain keyboard layout (like us or se) but not with the
Dvorak variant. Anybody know what is going on?
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1619 [12:20:07] <forcerecon> thanatos-inc_: yeah I know, that was
meant to be a joke of sort.. There are 1718 people in here and you
are the only one that answered me..
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1623 [12:20:32] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: use menulibre (package
is the same name). It's a great GUI that makes it easy to
toggle what is shown in the menus and what not, or also to make
custom launchers.
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1631 [12:21:08] <forcerecon> seems like menu customization in
linux is not a simple thing to do
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1635 [12:22:05] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: what's so hard
about using menulibre?
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1640 [12:23:08] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: here is a screenshot.
I think this is really easy as pie:
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1641 [12:23:10] <forcerecon> thanatos-inc_: nothing... if you know
about menulibre.. not sure why linux requires a 3rd party
installation to just move around some menu items.. but now since I
know about it through your response I will check it out
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1643 [12:23:24] <bolt> third party?
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1646 [12:24:11] <forcerecon> bolt: back in the day.. everything
you had to install that was not default was called 3rd party
1647 [12:24:32] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: Debian is not a distro
aimed at having the easiest desktop experience. A lot of the things
you're used to from other OS will not be that easy. However,
your statement doesn't include all other linux distros. For
example, menulibre is installed by default in Xubuntu.
1648 [12:24:34] <bolt> in my day, third party stuff was stuff that
didn't come from you or your provider
1649 [12:24:40] <bolt> packages on debian are from debian
1650 [12:24:56] <bolt> and your default install is entirely up to
you
1651 [12:24:59] <thanatos-inc_> bolt: menulibre is in the repos
(stretch at least, not sure about oldstable)
1652 [12:25:14] <bolt> which is why i questioned the "third
party" designation
1653 [12:25:43] <thanatos-inc_> I see
1654 [12:25:43] <bolt> if someone needs a graphical tool to
customize a text file, i don't see why having to install said
tool is an issue
1655 [12:26:15] <thanatos-inc_> especially if said tool makes it
so much easier and quicker than writing .desktop files
1656 [12:26:23] <bolt> and since it's provided by
debian's packages, i don't see why "third party"
is an accurate description either
1657 [12:26:34] <bolt> but don't let my rambling distract you
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1660 [12:27:15] <forcerecon> because you don't know what it
will break later on
1661 [12:27:27] <bolt> what do you mean?
1662 [12:27:38] <bolt> do you know what will break of your
currently installed packages?
1663 [12:27:56] <bolt> in my experience, the only stuff that
breaks is what i break
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1665 [12:28:17] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: to prevent further
headache, maybe start with another distro like MX-16 (very much like
Debian, but with a preconfigured Xfce desktop), or Xubuntu, Ubuntu.
Debian will be a lot of learning at the beginning (unless
you're happy with what the desktop meta packages give you by
default).
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1667 [12:28:27] <forcerecon> well if I have to install an
application that moves around my icons in my menu and it is not
something I can do by default, then there must be a reason for said
application to be a addon, or extra install..
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1671 [12:29:01] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: you can do it by
default by editing .desktop files in $HOME/.local/share/applications
1672 [12:29:14] <thanatos-inc_> but that's more complicated
and tedious than just using menulibre
1673 [12:29:30] <forcerecon> thanatos-inc_: I have been using
debian since jessie, which aint long, actually like it quite a bit,
just delving into the little things that annoy me at this point,
like two libre maths in my menu one all by itself out of office and
in education.
1674 [12:29:31] <bolt> forcerecon: again, your "default"
is entirely up to you. debian is made to be configurable. it's
not a one size fits all kind of solution. the default desktop is
just a desktop. it doesn't necessarily do what you want.
install some other environment if you don't like it
1675 [12:29:38] <fireba11> Hi, i got network issues with my debian
VMs (vmware 6.5) ... funny thing is my template works fine, if i
clone a VM from it the network gets hickups (unreachable for
1-2minute, then working again, sometimes no ping from the outside
gets answered ...) any ideas?
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1677 [12:30:18] <forcerecon> bolt: agreed.. I am just asking
before doing. making sure it is the proper way to do something..
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1681 [12:31:02] <bolt> depends on what you define as proper. you
can edit the menu yourself if you want. in most cases, it's
just text files in a directory structure, or one huge file,
depending on your environment
1682 [12:31:18] <forcerecon> while i have the two of you here..
can you take a look at that error message from installing dropbox
and just tell me if this is repo issue?
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1685 [12:31:39] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: installing anything
from the repos within debian is proper enough. don't worry.
anything else is up to your liking. if you think that such a tool
should be there by default, then just put it into a list with your
favourite programmes and, next time you install debian, just install
those tools as well.
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1687 [12:32:06] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: please give us the
error message in a pastebin if it's longer than 2-3 lines.
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1691 [12:33:20] <forcerecon>
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1694 [12:37:28] <forcerecon> so I installed this menulibre, and
turned on HIDE from menus, the education folder.. but when I go to
the menu even after a save, it is still there.. does this program
require a reboot
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1696 [12:39:11] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: depending on the
desktop, you might have to either wait until the menus are re-read
or just log out/log back in again.
1697 [12:39:21] <thanatos-inc_> mostly it works if you wait a
minute
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1699 [12:39:31] <pragomer> need help. my tuxedo laptop with
debian9 is connected to wlan but has no internet connection or ip.
could anyone help me?
1700 [12:40:03] <thanatos-inc_> regarding dropbox, the repository
is not reachable.
1701 [12:40:58] <thanatos-inc_> but when i open it in the browser,
it's ok. can you repeat that? maybe it was just a temporary
error? if not, maybe something is wrong with your internet
connection?
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1703 [12:42:23] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: no wait, the last bit
says that the repo has no release file. probably some error on the
repository. there might be a way to force the installation anyway,
but i'm afraid, i don't know that. google something like:
apt force installation from repo without release file
1704 [12:42:30] <forcerecon> see... if you just right click on the
menu word.. you can get an installed editor, and remove things in
there.. menulibre is not required..
1705 [12:42:30] <forcerecon> doh!
1706 [12:42:30] <forcerecon> so there is a default way
1707 [12:42:32] <thanatos-inc_> or just wait until dropbox fixes
stuff
1708 [12:43:04] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: which desktop are you
using?
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1720 [12:47:44] <forcerecon> cinnamon..
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1722 [12:48:21] <thanatos-inc_> forcerecon: had no idea Cinnamon
had this feature. great :)
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1725 [12:49:36] <forcerecon> either did I .. but I figured I would
just right click on it and see what happened
1726 [12:49:42] <forcerecon> well at least those who are watching
this thread will now know too :)
1727 [12:49:47] <forcerecon> thanks for all the help
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1729 [12:50:38] <RoyK> any idea how I can have bc dump all
variables with values?
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1740 [12:57:03] <forcerecon> has anyone here ever used codeblocks?
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1746 [12:58:48] <forcerecon> reason I ask is this.. there are a
few installers and I am running this is vmware windows 10 session. I
already have eclipse installed with mingw and mingw is in the path.
I am not sure if I should install codeblocks with mingw or just
install codeblocks without it since I already have it installed with
eclipse.. not sure if there is a configuration nightmare in
codeblocks for telling it where mingw is installed or if it will
recognize
1747 [12:58:48] <forcerecon> that it already is installed during
codeblocks installation
1748 [12:58:58] <forcerecon> heh.. that was a mouthful..
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1750 [12:59:46] <forcerecon> I wonder if codeblocks is here..
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1766 [13:04:52] <forcerecon> I am in #codeblocks so forget the
question here.. I posted it there.. thanks
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1828 [13:48:31] <pragomer> how can I get a newer kernel firmware
for my wifi? then one coming with stretch doesnt work yet
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1835 [13:50:50] <forcerecon> actually since you said that.. I was
wondering about the terminology. what is a newer kernel firmware? is
this a driver? is this something that is installed into the kernel
when you install a different driver or added to the kernel, does it
replace the firmware that was there by default? can someone quickly
explain this?
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1837 [13:51:15] <jelly> pragomer: which wifi is it, and would the
driver from stretch kernel version even know to use a newer version?
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1845 [13:52:20] <vkolchev> pragomer, what do you mean exactly by
"doesn't work"?
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1851 [13:54:37] <tremolo> It spends all day on the couch.
1852 [13:55:43] <forcerecon> heh
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1861 [14:00:54] <pragomer> i have connection to my ssid
1862 [14:01:00] <pragomer> but no ip adress and no internet
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1864 [14:01:09] <pragomer> in /var/log/kern.log I can see:
1865 [14:01:26] <pragomer> firmware failed to load iwlwifi-8265-22
1866 [14:01:29] <pragomer> firmware failed to load iwlwifi-8265-23
1867 [14:01:34] <pragomer> firmware failed to load iwlwifi-8265-24
1868 [14:01:36] <pragomer> firmware failed to load iwlwifi-8265-25
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1870 [14:02:21] <tremolo> Do you have the package
firmware-iwlwifi?
1871 [14:02:31] <pragomer> yes, it is installed
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1873 [14:02:48] <forcerecon> at first it sounded more like a dhcp
issue from the router..
1874 [14:02:49] <RoyK> pragomer: if you repeat the line a few more
times, I'm quite sure a lot of people will rush to help
1875 [14:03:10] <pragomer> it is a completely new laptop (tuxedo
inifinty book) and I think its a driver issue
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1878 [14:03:57] <pragomer> how can I check what intel wifi adapter
I have?
1879 [14:04:02] <tremolo> Looks like Sid has the same version:
replaced-url
1880 [14:04:05] <abrotman> pragomer: hve you reloaded the driver
after installing the firmware?
1881 [14:04:15] <abrotman> (reboot, or reload the driver)
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1883 [14:04:23] <pragomer> how to reload? I just rebootet
1884 [14:04:42] <pragomer> the package was installed from the very
1st time, so...
1885 [14:05:11] <abrotman> pragomer: updatedb ; locate iwlwifi (do
you see it?)
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1889 [14:07:23] <jelly> judd: file iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode
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1891 [14:07:27] <judd> Search for iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode in
stretch/amd64: firmware-iwlwifi: lib/firmware/iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode
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1894 [14:07:43] <pragomer> the file is in /lib/firmware
1895 [14:07:49] <abrotman> jelly: teach a man to fish? :)
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1897 [14:07:59] <pragomer> so is my wifi adapter the 8265 one?
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1899 [14:08:08] <abrotman> pragomer: you can tell with "lspci
-nn"
1900 [14:08:10] <tremolo> For me, `lspci -nn` shows a line like
"43:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino
Advanced-N 6200 [8086:4239] (rev 35)"
1901 [14:08:19] <Haohmaru> so you stick your head in the river,
and you catch a crocodile
1902 [14:08:22] <tremolo> Actually, exactly that line.
1903 [14:08:27] <jelly> pragomer: seems plausible, if the driver
wants to load that piece of fw
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1905 [14:08:35] <pragomer> when I do lspci -nn:
1906 [14:09:02] <pragomer> Intel Corporation Device [8086:24fd]
(rev 78)
1907 [14:09:04] <pragomer> nothing else
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1909 [14:09:48] <abrotman> pragomer: update-pciids , then try
again
1910 [14:09:56] <forcerecon> wow, I get a ton of stuff..
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1912 [14:10:10] <forcerecon>
replaced-url
1913 [14:10:15] <forcerecon> that is pretty kool
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1915 [14:10:57] <forcerecon> love these commands
1916 [14:11:09] <pragomer> I updated pciids
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1918 [14:11:15] <pragomer> should I reboot?
1919 [14:12:34] <abrotman> -sh-4.1$ lspci -nn |wc -l
1920 [14:12:34] <abrotman> 80
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1984 [14:51:37] <forcerecon> boy it got quiet in here.. did
abrotman find his answer?
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1986 [14:52:30] <jelly> if there are no questions, quiet is how we
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1987 [14:52:37] <forcerecon> I noticed that the signal for non ac
wireless is always at about 60% on my machines, all different but
all same distance from router.. non ac is 100% signal but ac 60%
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2008 [15:03:56] <bolt> forcerecon: there's always
#debian-offtopic for debian users to chat about random stuff
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2012 [15:05:47] <bolt> forcerecon: higher frequencies generally
give shorter range. it's just how physics
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2014 [15:06:00] <bolt> *work
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2016 [15:07:53] <forcerecon> bolt: yeah I understand that the
lower range provides higher bandwidth. I assume that this is due to
limitations on signal strength in the industry. its like on purpose.
2017 [15:07:55] <forcerecon> and I will join debian-offtopic
thanks
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2032 [15:11:56] <forcerecon> hey BluesKaj!
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2049 [15:19:33] <darxmurf> the nvidia-driver package is using only
one CPU to compile it's module when you install it from
apt-get, is there any reason for that ?
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2060 [15:22:41] <darxmurf> hm there is already a bugreport about
that, sorry
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2063 [15:23:17] <Henry151> g'morning #debian :D I'm so
happy to finally be running Debian 9
2064 [15:23:24] <Henry151> it is working like a charm on my
toughbook :D
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2067 [15:24:24] <forcerecon> Henry151: I have the cf52 with the
1920x1200 16:10 screen and it is awesome! WElcome to the toughbook
err. debian family ;)
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2078 [15:29:34] <Paul^> hello
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2099 [15:44:29] <forcerecon> Paul^: hello
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2124 [15:59:23] <Paul^> how change language in bash output ?
2125 [15:59:33] <darxmurf> ?
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2128 [16:00:12] <__marco> LANG=de_DE command
2129 [16:00:20] <Paul^> ok
2130 [16:00:35] <bolt> Paul^: that's up to each program to
support. generally you can set the LANG and LC_* variables to your
liking
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2134 [16:01:25] <__marco> Paul^: It's not bash output but
program output as bolt said
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2136 [16:02:09] <Paul^>
replaced-url
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2139 [16:02:25] <Paul^> I'm tring to install vlc on debian8.9
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2142 [16:02:45] <Paul^> up is the error
2143 [16:02:51] <bolt> Paul^: export LANG=de_DE
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2146 [16:02:58] <__marco> I know export in bash, not set
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2148 [16:03:03] <Paul^> I'm italian not german
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2150 [16:03:14] <Paul^> output is in english
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2154 [16:03:29] <__marco> it_IT
2155 [16:03:40] <bolt> also set LC_ALL to the same
2156 [16:03:51] <bolt> and make sure you've configured that
locale in the first place
2157 [16:03:55] <bolt> dpkg-reconfigure locales
2158 [16:03:59] <Paul^>
replaced-url
2159 [16:04:03] <Paul^> read here pls
2160 [16:04:14] <Paul^> problem with library dependence
2161 [16:04:16] <bolt> just configure the locale and set LANG and
LC_ALL
2162 [16:04:23] <Paul^> I don't know as resolve it
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2164 [16:04:30] <bolt> are you looking for help with your error or
do you want to change your language?
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2166 [16:04:50] <Paul^> I'm looking for install vlc
2167 [16:04:52] <bolt> btw
2168 [16:04:53] <bolt> !it
2169 [16:04:53] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto
in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will
get much more help.
2170 [16:05:47] <bolt> ,v libgles1-mesa
2171 [16:05:49] <judd> Package: libgles1-mesa on amd64 -- wheezy:
8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie:
10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; buster:
13.0.6-1+b2; sid: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2
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2173 [16:06:56] <boxrick> I have some networking config which
technically should be working, but doing a service network restart
always seems to result in errors. Would someone have a look at it
for me?
2174 [16:07:03] <Paul^> judd, it's impossible on my system
install this library
2175 [16:07:10] <boxrick>
replaced-url
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2177 [16:07:17] <__marco> Paul^: your problem has nothing to do
with the language and, btw, perche' hai settato la lingua in
inglese se poi hai problemi a capirlo?
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2181 [16:08:38] <boxrick> It always seems to sit waiting for
interfaces to join the bond, rather than bringing those up first.
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2187 [16:09:43] <Paul^> judd, the package are from different
debian version ?
2188 [16:09:52] <Paul^> packages
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2194 [16:11:33] <Paul^> I'm using Debian GNU/Linux 8.9
(jessie) amd64
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2199 [16:15:13] <Paul^>
replaced-url
2200 [16:16:41] <Paul^> hello
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2202 [16:18:20] <jelly> judd is just a bot
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2204 [16:18:33] <Paul^> why is it impossbile solve the problem ?
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2207 [16:19:58] <jelly> Paul^: it seems that on this system, you
already have other pieces of Mesa installed from the non-default
jessie-backports repo
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2209 [16:20:32] <Paul^> ahaaa, another pieces of library from
other source
2210 [16:20:37] <jelly> Paul^: since versions of all Mesa library
package need to match, you will have to pick this one from
jessie-backports as well
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2212 [16:20:49] <jelly> aptitude can figure that on its own;
apt-get cannot
2213 [16:21:13] <Gikoskos> hello everyone. can someone pinpoint me
to a doc or tell me what's needed for someone to get their
package (app, library etc) included in the main debian repos?
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2215 [16:21:18] <thanatos-inc_> jelly: funny how it can do that on
my jessie machine without problems.
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2217 [16:21:37] <Paul^> jelly, synatic cannot figure it
2218 [16:21:51] <jelly> thanatos-inc_: maybe it's funny,
maybe you don't have any mesa bits installed from backports yet
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2220 [16:22:12] <thanatos-inc_> jelly: I do actually
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2222 [16:22:38] <jelly> Paul^: use apt-get or aptitude, with -t
jessie-backports, to install this package
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2224 [16:23:07] <Paul^> with -t flag ?
2225 [16:23:16] <jelly> with "-t jessie-backports"
2226 [16:23:24] <jelly> !jessie-backports
2227 [16:23:24] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian
9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found
in the "jessie-backports" repository. See
replaced-url
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2230 [16:24:41] <namoamitabuddha> Hello
2231 [16:25:03] <namoamitabuddha> I wonder the usual way to create
a guest user.
2232 [16:25:19] <Paul^> ok, it's downloading. I didn't
know -t flag in apt-get , it's not documented of on-line
command line
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2235 [16:26:04] <jelly> Paul^: man apt-get
2236 [16:26:05] <Paul^> ok, vlc installed
2237 [16:26:25] <Paul^> -t is a secondary flag , not most common
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2239 [16:27:06] <Paul^> sorry, but it's impossible for me
remenber all flags of all command
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2241 [16:27:23] <jelly> it's also mentioned in the
instructions for backports
2242 [16:27:27] <namoamitabuddha> I created an encrypted temp
filesystem
2243 [16:28:01] <namoamitabuddha> But the owner and group are
root.
2244 [16:28:33] <namoamitabuddha> I don't know whether
it's a good idea to set fs to be vfat and set the uid/gid in
/etc/fstab
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2253 [16:31:25] <bolt> namoamitabuddha: what do you expect your
guest user to be able to do?
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2255 [16:31:54] <namoamitabuddha> on a personal computer
2256 [16:32:14] <namoamitabuddha> I expect that the user data is
cleared up on each reboot
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2266 [16:36:09] <bolt> namoamitabuddha: simply add a user called
"guest" then, and create a small script to wipe the
user's home directory at boot time
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2270 [16:36:56] <bolt> namoamitabuddha: or a more elaborate one
that uses rsync, for instance, to mirror some sort of default
environment to that user's home directory. you probably want
some files in there.
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2280 [16:39:58] <Paul^> thx to all :)
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2284 [16:41:29] <namoamitabuddha> ok
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2296 [16:45:51] <celyr> Hi
2297 [16:46:01] <celyr> there is a service that is booted
automagically when I start my debian box
2298 [16:46:10] <celyr> I want to boot without that service coming
up
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2300 [16:46:31] <celyr> any idea different from init=/bin/bash,
modify relevant files, and then reboot ?
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2306 [16:47:53] <dvs> celyr, I used to know how to do that, then
came systemd.
2307 [16:49:41] <celyr> kek
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2311 [16:50:05] <celyr> Heil your new God mortal
2312 [16:50:11] <celyr> systemd
2313 [16:50:15] <celyr> who needs free will anyway
2314 [16:50:16] <mxh-> sudo systemctl disable <service>
2315 [16:50:21] <mxh-> super hard
2316 [16:50:24] <mxh-> :)
2317 [16:50:30] <celyr> mxh-, well
2318 [16:50:38] <celyr> mxh-, should I engrave it in my case
2319 [16:50:39] <celyr> or ?
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2321 [16:50:59] <celyr> problem is that the machine is off atm
2322 [16:51:09] <celyr> and I don't want it to come up with
the service.
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2324 [16:52:10] <mxh-> celyr: can you access the filesystem?
2325 [16:52:32] <celyr> well
2326 [16:52:35] <mxh-> celyr: service files are in /etc/systemd,
you can find it there and set it to not autostart probably.
2327 [16:52:43] <jelly> celyr: which service?
2328 [16:52:45] <jelly> !ask
2329 [16:52:46] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2332 [16:53:16] <celyr> jelly, it's a domino custom script i
installed by myself, anyway I will pursue the init=/bin/bash way and
fix it manually
2333 [16:53:40] <celyr> I was just asking if there is some kind of
"boot time systemd hack to select the services to start while
booting"
2334 [16:53:46] <jelly> right, if you installed it yourself,
you'll also know how to remove it yourself
2335 [16:54:18] <celyr> jelly, I was seeking an alternative using
systemd capabilities that I don't know
2336 [16:54:30] <jelly> you can boot to a different
"target"
2337 [16:54:31] <jmcnaught> celyr: you can use
'systemd.unit=rescue.target' (or '1') on the
kernel command line in grub
2338 [16:55:02] <celyr> jmcnaught, nice
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2340 [16:55:25] <doogaille> Hi
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2342 [16:55:38] <jelly> this is also probably what the
"recovery" menu entry in grub does
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2349 [16:57:35] <doogaille> Anyone know how can I simple execute
"start x" at boot on debian 9 ? rc.local seem to be
deleted
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2351 [16:57:58] <jmcnaught> doogaille: this is what a display
manager is for
2352 [16:58:16] <doogaille> \o/
2353 [16:58:26] <doogaille> ...
2354 [16:58:34] <celyr> doogaille, if you want startx approach go
slackware :P
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2356 [16:58:58] <celyr> not really 2017 tbh
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2361 [16:59:07] <doogaille> in embed context... I dont want add
another package only for that it is just a stupid idea
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2364 [16:59:26] <doogaille> but maybe you have an other sexy idea
2365 [16:59:33] <celyr> you do need to start X in an embed system
? XD
2366 [16:59:43] <doogaille> NUC
2367 [16:59:53] <doogaille> for a gstreamer pipeline
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2370 [17:00:06] <jmcnaught> doogaille: rc.local is dumber than a
DM. Make a custom systemd service unit instead, or use nodm
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2372 [17:00:20] <jelly> doogaille: a custom init script or systemd
service to start a process might do
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2374 [17:00:29] <doogaille> okay
2375 [17:01:03] <celyr> nodm being the cleanest way
2376 [17:01:20] <jelly> ,i nodm
2377 [17:01:21] <judd> Package nodm (misc, extra) in
stretch/amd64: automatic display manager. Version: 0.13-1.3; Size:
44.5k; Installed: 117k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2378 [17:01:25] <doogaille> brillant
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2380 [17:01:33] <jelly> so... nodm is, in fact, a dm
2381 [17:01:41] <doogaille> nodm that the way I'm going ;-)
2382 [17:01:50] <jelly> mind -> blown
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2384 [17:02:30] <celyr> nodm it's not the dm that debian
deserve but it's the dm that dm that debian needs
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2387 [17:02:50] <doogaille> It exactly what I need
2388 [17:03:14] <doogaille> thanks guys for you help
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2393 [17:05:32] <celyr> doogaille, to choose the user and things
dpkg-reconfigure nodm
2394 [17:05:40] <doogaille> ;-)
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2397 [17:06:14] <doogaille> I have find where put nocursor option
but that was my next question ;-) gj celyr
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2434 [17:21:48] <Macieko0> only gcc is main compiler on Linux ??
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2437 [17:23:08] <jelly> Macieko0: for C and C++, and Debian? Yes,
but llvm/clang is comparable for most purposes
2438 [17:23:24] <Macieko0> yes on debian, only c++
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2441 [17:24:07] <Macieko0> so can i compile both (gcc and clang) ?
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2443 [17:24:34] <Gekko> Yes, it's possible
2444 [17:25:04] <Macieko0> Linux kernel also ?
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2449 [17:27:26] <Gekko> I don't know. It wasn't possible
several years ago, but things may have changed
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2468 [17:36:13] <Trel> I installed nodejs from apt-get but I
don't appear to have gotten npm as well, is that not included
for some reason? I also don't see it as a standalone package.
2469 [17:37:24] <Trel> (on Stretch)
2470 [17:37:33] <Gekko> To be sure, you installed the package
"nodejs" and not "node", right? Those are
different packages and completely unrelated. And there's a
package for "npm" separately
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2473 [17:37:57] <Trel> I installed nodejs and there's no
package for npm
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2475 [17:38:03] <Gekko> Alright
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2477 [17:38:35] <Trel> Gekko:
replaced-url
2478 [17:38:36] <eintopf> apt-file search bin/npm has 0 results in
stretch for me
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2480 [17:39:45] <Gekko>
replaced-url
2481 [17:39:53] <Gekko> The Node.js platform is built on top of
libv8-3.14, which experiences a high volume of security issues, but
there are currently no volunteers within the project or the security
team sufficiently interested and willing to spend the large amount
of time required to stem those incoming issues.
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2483 [17:40:51] <Trel> Darn, well that's disheartening
2484 [17:41:11] <Gekko> If a possibility, can you simply compile
it from source? Last I did it it was as simple as it gets
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2486 [17:41:28] <Gekko> Can take a while though
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2489 [17:44:08] <Trel> doubtful, it was just a tool I wanted that
runs on it, I'll find a different tool
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2520 [17:55:44] <hexhaxtron> How can I compile this code?
replaced-url
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2530 [17:58:26] <mad_hatter> hey folks trying to run apt-get
update and im getting the error W: GPG error:
replaced-url
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2537 [17:59:47] <towo`> hexhaxtron, unable to understand the
readme?
2538 [17:59:49] <mad_hatter> not sure whats going on as ive
already run apt-get clean
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2559 [18:08:32] <guest2338> Debian 9 unstable, Cinnamon DE.
Updated about 04:00 UTC, shut down. Just booted, shows Debian 9
default "Flipper" wallpaper. Can't change to any
other background.
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2561 [18:09:21] <towo`> don't use unstable, if you can't
handle it
2562 [18:09:39] <towo`> and btw, there is no debian 9 unstable
2563 [18:09:52] <towo`> debian 9 or unstable
2564 [18:10:20] <dsc_> could someone help me get my wifi to work
on debian 9 stable
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2566 [18:10:22] <dsc_> ;'P
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2568 [18:10:39] <guest2338> towo`: Ouch! Okay, using Debian
unstable (was installed as Debian 9.)
2569 [18:10:52] <towo`> dsc_, no one knows
2570 [18:11:17] <dsc_> sec
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2575 [18:13:39] <dsc_>
replaced-url
2576 [18:13:41] <dsc_> towo`: ^
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2580 [18:15:57] <nikitasius> hi folks.. there is no regexp
channel, and i have 1 to fix. Is there someone who love regexp?
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2583 [18:16:25] <kion> is testing and Stretch-backports the same?
2584 [18:16:25] <dsc_> /j #regex
2585 [18:16:28] <babilen> nikitasius: There is #regex
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2587 [18:16:34] <BluesKaj> mad_hatter,
replaced-url
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2589 [18:17:00] <nikitasius> babilen: ahh cool! i was typing
#regexp
2590 [18:17:00] <babilen> kion: No, stretch-backports contains
packages from testing compiled (and adapted) for stretch (i.e.
stable)
2591 [18:17:11] <babilen> nikitasius: "/msg alis list
regex"
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2593 [18:18:53] <BluesKaj> mad_hatter, disregard my post above
...it's the wrong URL
2594 [18:20:32] <dsc_> how can I tell my kernel to use a specific
file in /lib/firmware
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2598 [18:20:55] <dsc_> modinfo iwlwifi shows that its using
`iwlwifi-8000C-26.ucode` while I want it to use
`iwlwifi-8000C-13.ucode`
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2603 [18:21:53] <dsc_> how can I make my kernel load that -13 file
?:P
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2609 [18:25:54] <dsc_> nvm. got it to work.
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2622 [18:30:03] <BluesKaj> mad_hatter,
replaced-url
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2626 [18:31:00] <onca> I have a windows machine connected to a
debian system which is set up to provide internet via ethernet, but
I want to access the windows machine's samba share. It is on a
seperate subnet. Is there a way to configure linux to share the
share with it's subnet?
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2630 [18:32:21] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me fix this?
replaced-url
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2639 [18:35:36] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: What are you trying to
compile? What command did you use? Also, it's not good practice
to compile things as root.
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2643 [18:36:23] <hexhaxtron> petn-randall: I'm trying to
compile a GPU Plotter for Burstcoins.
2644 [18:36:30] <hexhaxtron> I used 'cmake .'
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2650 [18:37:46] <Gekko> The linker error you have is because the
compiler cannot find the pthread implementation. Your second line
was almost right - it's -lpthread without an s
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2684 [18:51:32] <tomboy64> on
replaced-url
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2693 [18:55:08] <mad_hatter> W: GPG error:
replaced-url
2694 [18:55:12] <mad_hatter> Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> <---- getting this
error while running apt-get update. Any
2695 [18:55:15] <mad_hatter> ideas how to resolve this?
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2702 [18:58:43] <SuperTramp83> tomboy64, no idea but it definitely
is 'Version: 3.8.3-1.1'
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2706 [19:00:41] <tomboy64> # dpkg -s ddclient | grep Version gives
me: Version: 3.8.2-2
2707 [19:00:41] <tomboy64> also apt-get -t stretch-backports
install ddclient says it's the newest version
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2721 [19:07:58] <jelly> ,v ddclient
2722 [19:07:59] <judd> Package: ddclient on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.8.0-11.5; jessie: 3.8.2-2; stretch: 3.8.3-1.1; sid: 3.8.3-1.1;
buster: 3.8.3-1.1
2723 [19:08:20] <jelly> tomboy64: run "apt-get update",
then pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ddclient"
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2727 [19:08:49] <tomboy64> :-| it somehow stays stuck at 3.8.2-2
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2729 [19:08:55] <jelly> !paste
2730 [19:08:55] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
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2740 [19:11:53] <tomboy64> jelly:
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2742 [19:13:00] <jelly> mad_hatter: see if deleting
/var/lib/apt/lists/*wheezy*updates* /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* and
doing an update again makes any difference
2743 [19:13:34] <eFfeM> hi, can anybody explain me how I can find
the config options with which my kernel is build (4.9.30-2)
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2745 [19:13:37] <jelly> tomboy64: you seem to have a Debian 8
(jessie) installation, not Debian 9 (stretch)
2746 [19:13:52] <jelly> eFfeM: ls -la /boot/config-4.9*
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2749 [19:14:26] <eFfeM> jelly: thanks! (of course I should have
known)
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2751 [19:15:06] <tomboy64> jelly: i ran an upgrade procedure a
while back. i was under the impression that had done a full upgrade.
2752 [19:15:22] <jelly> tomboy64: did you do this?
2753 [19:15:28] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
2754 [19:15:28] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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2756 [19:16:26] <jelly> tomboy64: don't omit the Release
Notes reading step.
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2763 [19:17:58] <tomboy64> *blushes* thanks
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2775 [19:23:10] <jelly> (this will probably take 2-3 hours of your
time and things will break or change behaviors)
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2798 [19:35:15] <tomboy64> yeah, not gonna do that now. it
appears, i did an upgrade from wheezy to jessie back then. my bad
for touching this system once every eon.
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2821 [19:44:41] <BluesKaj> bad?,you mean mistake, bad isn;t a noun
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2825 [19:46:36] <Sir_Designer> BluesKaj never heard "my
bad"?
2826 [19:46:42] <BluesKaj> tired of that so called cool lingo
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2834 [19:48:31] <BluesKaj> it's incorrect english, and we
should be speaking correctly in case new english speakers are trying
to understand what's written in this chat
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2872 [20:08:36] <HyP3r> Hello Everybody I was just
upgradíng my Debian 8 Jessie to Debian 9. Everything went
fine while apt-get upgrade but now I get critical errors while
apt-get dist-upgrade
2873 [20:09:03] <HyP3r> Please help me. Here is the output:
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2877 [20:09:53] <mxh-> raw link
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2878 [20:09:56] <HyP3r> First did an apt-get upgrade &&
apt-get dist-upgrade. Then I updated my sources.list to
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2883 [20:11:10] <HyP3r> I have updated now a lot of machines and
everything went everytime good but now... I'm sitting here in
the nowhere (little server for monitoring data) and nothing works
2884 [20:11:51] <mxh-> did you at some point do dist-upgrade? i
don't understand german so having a bit of trouble with the
error msg.
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2886 [20:13:06] <HyP3r> mxh-: yes I did an apt-get upgrade after
updateing the sources.list, then I did an apt-get upgrade, and now I
get this error while apt-get dist-upgrade.
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2893 [20:17:06] <mxh-> HyP3r: i see an issue. it's
stretch-updates, not stretch/updates on line 4 and 5 of your
sources.list
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2895 [20:17:52] <mxh-> it is however stretch/updates for security.
bit confusing.
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2896 [20:18:11] <HyP3r> mxh-:
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2897 [20:18:23] <Henry151> BluesKaj: all the bads are mine
2898 [20:18:24] <HyP3r> mxh-: I copied it from there
shouldn't be that correct?
2899 [20:18:34] <Henry151> I declare ownership over all of the
bads.
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2902 [20:19:00] <Henry151> Aren't we supposed to be using
apt, not apt-get, nowadays?
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2904 [20:19:08] <mxh-> HyP3r: i see it's correct now sry nvm
2905 [20:19:15] <mxh-> Henry151: nono its aptitude
2906 [20:19:23] <Henry151> I thought apt-get was considered to be
the old way
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2908 [20:19:30] <Henry151> and that aptitude was an even older way
2909 [20:19:43] <Henry151> and that apt was the currently accepted
convention
2910 [20:19:53] <mxh-> Henry151: apt is more user-friendly, but
has unreliable output. apt-get is better for scripts etc.
2911 [20:20:26] <HyP3r> Is there something lke a root debian
package? Which I can install to make sure everything nessercary is
installed?
2912 [20:20:28] <Henry151> I've just forced myself to stop
using apt-get and start using apt. you're telling me I suffered
through that transition due to a misconception? Unecessarily?
2913 [20:20:29] <mxh-> Henry151: if you do an apt search and pipe
it to grep, it will print a warning stating just that
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2915 [20:20:52] <HyP3r> Ubuntu has such packages
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2917 [20:21:02] <mxh-> Henry151: no, apt has good search and a
progressbar, that should be worth it alone :D
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2920 [20:21:45] <mxh-> HyP3r: can you try dpkg -C
2921 [20:21:57] <mxh-> HyP3r: it should show you missing, broken
etc packages.
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2923 [20:22:37] <HyP3r> mxh-: I get nothing. I follow this
tutorial
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2924 [20:22:58] <mxh-> HyP3r: oh. I followed exactly the same a
few days ago and it went without a hitch. :(
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2927 [20:23:51] <HyP3r> mxh-: yeah thats the problem :(
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2929 [20:24:26] <Guest88775> I'm Miguel
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2931 [20:24:50] <jmcnaught> HyP3r: why would you follow that
instead of the instructions in the release notes?
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2933 [20:25:13] <mxh-> HyP3r: it's complaining about rdnssd,
so try apt install rdnssd. if it's installed, try reinstalling.
2934 [20:25:30] <Guest88775> I'm from Russina
2935 [20:25:34] <mxh-> jmcnaught: that page is kind of a distilled
version of the official instructions :)
2936 [20:25:35] <Guest88775> Russian
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2938 [20:25:48] <HyP3r> mxh-: I have just apt-get removed and now
it seems that I can call apt-get dist-upgrade
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2941 [20:26:01] <Guest88775> apt-autoremove
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2944 [20:26:10] <mxh-> HyP3r: you mean rdnssd?
2945 [20:26:18] <HyP3r> mxh-: yes
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2947 [20:26:37] <mxh-> HyP3r: great. yeah, i ran your error
message through google translate and it stated pretty clearly that
package was the issue
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2951 [20:26:53] <Prof> Gerardo Sacco is here
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2956 [20:28:36] <jmcnaught> !localized errors
2957 [20:28:37] <dpkg> To provide command output in English
instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one
(e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get
-f install".
2958 [20:28:50] <jmcnaught> HyP3r: ^^ for next paste you make
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2964 [20:30:27] <HyP3r> jmcnaught: ok I'll didn't know
how to switch to german :)
2965 [20:30:29] <HyP3r> *english
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2968 [20:31:26] <jmcnaught> HyP3r: if you don't read it for
the upgrade instructions, you should at least read it for the
what's new, known issues etc:
replaced-url
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2988 [20:39:32] <HyP3r> jmcnaught: ok I'll take a look
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3006 [20:51:50] <HyP3r> Well my primary hope was that the new
kernel and new debian version (stretch) will fix the Graphic
problem, but my screen is still flickering, I guess its the standard
nvidida problem
3007 [20:52:37] <jmcnaught> HyP3r: or a cable or monitor problem?
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3010 [20:53:57] <HyP3r> jmcnaught: no I have tons of errors like
that in the journal: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia"
(module requirement mismatch, 0)
3011 [20:54:13] <HyP3r> I just follow
replaced-url
3012 [20:54:28] <jmcnaught> HyP3r: that sounds like a partially
installed nvidia driver
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3014 [20:54:46] <mad_hatter> hey folks im getting this error W:
GPG error:
replaced-url
3015 [20:54:55] <kallisti5> q: does anyone actually know how the
partman-auto expert partition stuff work for swap?
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3018 [20:55:27] <kallisti5> I've gotten to the point where I
extracted the shell logic from partman-auto, and the numbers make 0
sense.
3019 [20:55:38] <jelly> mad_hatter: you did not comment on my
suggestion
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3022 [20:55:53] <mad_hatter> jelly: i didnt see it
3023 [20:56:17] <jelly> [17:13] <jelly> mad_hatter: see if
deleting /var/lib/apt/lists/*wheezy*updates*
/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* and doing an update again makes any
difference
3024 [20:56:59] <kallisti5> I assume 4096 1 16384 means: swap is
4G minimum, equal to 1 * system ram, maximum 16G. After testing on a
6GB VM it seems to mean: "3.8G" :-|
3025 [20:57:28] <mad_hatter> var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* and doing
an update again
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3027 [20:58:27] <mad_hatter> jelly: that doesn't change the
error
3028 [20:58:30] <mad_hatter> err...warning
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3031 [20:58:48] <jelly> mad_hatter: then pick a different mirror.
3032 [20:58:57] <jelly> !wheezy sources.list
3033 [20:58:57] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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3037 [20:59:34] <mad_hatter> jelly: well its an aws instance, so
wont my source be changed when it reboots?
3038 [20:59:34] <jelly> kallisti5: 3.8GiB is probably equal to
4.0GB
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3041 [21:00:15] <kallisti5> jelly: yeah, that is my thought. I
tried 4096 100% 16384 and got a 16G swap on the same system
3042 [21:00:16] <jelly> mad_hatter: why would hosting on aws do
such an intrusive change?
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3044 [21:00:43] <kallisti5> jelly: which does't make sense as
a factor of 1 should be equal to 100%
3045 [21:00:46] <kallisti5> but, alas
3046 [21:01:12] <jelly> perhaps 1 is also 1%, but minimum value is
triggered
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3049 [21:01:33] <kallisti5> jelly: maybe, but partman-auto does
parse percentages vs non-percentages
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3051 [21:01:48] <jelly> kallisti5: just for fun, what happens if
you use "50" and "50%"
3052 [21:01:53] <kallisti5> I've found 0 documentation on it,
and the swap stuff seems to have a lot if special logic around it
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3056 [21:02:36] <jelly> kallisti5: if you're desperate,
#debian-boot on OFTC (irc.oftc.net) is where debian-installer people
are
3057 [21:02:45] <jmcnaught> kallisti5: did you find
replaced-url
3058 [21:03:14] <jelly> partman is broken in many ways, I mostly
avoid the automatic stuff
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3060 [21:03:53] <kallisti5> jelly: yeah, we do silent installs so
I have to mess with this mess :-) I miss kickstart
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3062 [21:03:56] <jelly> "you want LVM? Okay, let's give
/home 100% of the free space. Who needs snapshots!"
3063 [21:04:01] <kallisti5> lol
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3065 [21:04:46] <jelly> but if you specify exact amounts for
everything things are fine I guess
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3067 [21:05:09] <kallisti5> jelly: I tried that, our server
installs get 2G swap instead of 16G :P
3068 [21:05:10] <jelly> haven't really done preseeded
installs
3069 [21:05:18] <kallisti5> i'd avoid them
3070 [21:05:55] <kallisti5> jmcnaught: so, looking at that doc
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3072 [21:06:03] <kallisti5> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
3073 [21:06:07] <jelly> 2G is the upper sane limit anyway, unless
you _know_ you have apps that leak memory constantly and just want
to delay their inevitable restarts
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3075 [21:06:24] <kallisti5> jelly: we have 256G of ram and like
300TiB on a single server
3076 [21:06:43] <kallisti5> jelly: we normally shoot for 16G just
incase. RedHat's recommendation is 11G
3077 [21:07:13] <jelly> gotta wonder where it gets the 11G from
3078 [21:07:58] <kallisti5> I've heard the kernel can put
some mmu tracking stuff in swap
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3082 [21:08:04] <kallisti5> but that might not be true
3083 [21:08:19] <jelly> what, like pagetables?
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3085 [21:08:36] <kallisti5> yeah.. unconfirmed tho
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3087 [21:08:51] <kallisti5> just hearsay in an office full of
people with opinions :-)
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3089 [21:09:34] <kallisti5> XFS really likes contigious memory
though on huge filesytstems... so I try to have a bit of swap.
3090 [21:09:40] <kallisti5> *just incase*
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3093 [21:10:04] <kallisti5> although it's like putting an
elephant into a drinking straw if we ever needed it
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3095 [21:10:41] <kallisti5> anyway, here's the awesome
partman-auto logic:
replaced-url
3096 [21:10:46] <kallisti5> It's all magic
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3098 [21:11:00] <context> hi. i have itnerfaces setup to use
wpa_roam thingy.. my problem is if i shut my laptop, go somewhere,
and it auto-connects to a new ap (as expected) the dhcp doesnt get
refreshed
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3102 [21:11:39] <context> how do i get wpa_sup to
'force' renew/refresh/re..do dhcp when connecting to a
new/different ap
3103 [21:12:06] <kallisti5> jmcnaught: ack.. my simulation
doesn't convert system ram to MiB vs bytes
3104 [21:12:14] <kallisti5> might want to ignore that link i sent
before
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3106 [21:12:54] <jmcnaught> kallisti5: it's okay, i'm
also not very knowledgable about partman-auto, but I saw you say you
found zero documentation and I happened to know about that file
3107 [21:13:39] <guest2338> Debian unstable, Cinnamon DE. Updated
about 04:00 UTC, shut down. Just booted, shows Debian 9 default
"Flipper" wallpaper. Can't change to any other
background.
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3115 [21:16:21] <towo`> guest2338, downgrade gnome-settings-daemon
gsettings-desktop-schemas to testing versions
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3132 [21:23:31] <guest2338> towo`: Okay, thanks.
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3173 [22:02:44] <aguitel> why this error ? W:
replaced-url
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3175 [22:03:24] <enyc> aguitel: is this in some kind of apt-cron
thing ???
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3177 [22:03:49] <aguitel> enyc, in apt update
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3180 [22:05:27] <xar-> alright, i'm back at it, trying to
salvage my system; first observation: reported MHz are severly
underclocked under stretch, what is governing/controlling that and
how do I adjust?
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3182 [22:06:29] <petn-randall> xar-: What do you mean with
"reported MHz are severly underclocked"?
3183 [22:06:30] <jmcnaught> aguitel: Did you run synaptic? Could
be #864640. Try moving /etc/apt/trusted.gpg somewhere else and run
'apt update' again
3184 [22:06:31] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3188 [22:07:25] <xar-> petn-randall: if I ask /proc/cpuinfo for a
MHz report, it's not what it should be, a Xeon core should not
be running at 800Mhz..
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3191 [22:07:44] <aguitel> jmcnaught, what means "moving"
? delete ?
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3193 [22:08:17] <jmcnaught> aguitel: instead of deleting files
you're not sure about, move them to a different directory or
rename them. That way it's easy to get them back if you need
to.
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3195 [22:08:35] <aguitel> jmcnaught, ok
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3198 [22:09:02] <jmcnaught> xar-: you're probably using the
ondemand cpufreq governor which increases frequency as soon as the
demand is there
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3207 [22:10:14] <xar-> jmcnaught: is that tied to any particular
systemd-ish unit/service
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3211 [22:10:42] <petn-randall> xar-: Why shouldn't it be
running at 800MHz when it's idling?
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3215 [22:11:48] <aguitel> jmcnaught, if apt update run with no
errors means it fixed ?
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3217 [22:13:12] <xar-> petn-randall: the ramp is too slow,
I'd prefer it run at the rated speed
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3219 [22:13:37] <LtL> aguitel: yes it's fixed
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3221 [22:13:53] <aguitel> LtL, ok
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3224 [22:14:33] <aguitel> one question ,aptitude or apt ?
3225 [22:14:39] <petn-randall> xar-: Can you tell us how you came
to this conclusion?
3226 [22:14:40] <aguitel> in stretch
3227 [22:15:37] <LtL> aguitel: apt unless you expect dependency
issues. then try aptitude.
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3229 [22:16:14] <HyP3r> Well I giving up I guess GeForce 7200 GS I
not any more supported with debian strech. I have such critical
errors, with the debian legacy error and the offical driver from
nvidia. I buy now another new one.
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3231 [22:16:36] <HyP3r> Which one is good supported with the
current kernels and linux versions?
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3233 [22:17:24] <HyP3r> I'm talking about graphic cards.
Whats a good supported graphic card? Should be cheap, its only for a
server...
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3236 [22:19:31] <grimsley> have you thought about a nvidia 1030 or
amd/ati 550 ? those two are relatively cheap
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3238 [22:20:19] <HyP3r> grimsley: well if I took at this shitty
GeForce 7200... are newer nvidia cards better supported?
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3241 [22:21:00] <HyP3r> s/took/look
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3243 [22:22:06] <grimsley> I've had no issues with either,
nothing special mind you but for a server it should do just fine.
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3246 [22:22:39] <HyP3r> grimsley: I'll order that card
3247 [22:23:35] <`Kevin> HyP3r: 7200gs says its supported in
Version:304.117
3248 [22:23:45] <`Kevin> Release Date:2013.12.11
3249 [22:24:04] <`Kevin> it doesnt compile?
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3252 [22:24:43] <grimsley> does your current system now have an
integrated gpu intel or some such ?
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3254 [22:25:02] <grimsley> now = not
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3259 [22:27:17] <`Kevin> actually even 304.1350
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3266 [22:29:22] <HyP3r> `Kevin: well I can install this driver
from the debian sources ór direct from nvidia. BOth are not
working. THe Window Manager is able to start and dispaly everything
but then I have a lot of crashes and atrifatcs
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3268 [22:29:38] <johnkeates> maybe your gpu died
3269 [22:30:07] <xar-> petn-randall: kinda offtopic, but sure,
before an upgrade yesterday I was on jessie where I closely
monitored CPU performance, this wasn't an issue, then the
unplanned upgrade to stretch occured, and here are, the difference
is palpable
3270 [22:30:23] <xar-> s/here are/here we are/
3271 [22:30:26] <`Kevin> HyP3r: anything usful in X log or dmesg?
3272 [22:30:32] <HyP3r> Well the full story is that the server is
crashed after 250 days of uptime last saturday. I was able to boot
today the server with debian jessie and work
3273 [22:30:38] <johnkeates> also, your GPU is supported by
nouveau
3274 [22:30:44] <HyP3r> Then I decided to update to debian strech
3275 [22:30:46] <johnkeates> so it's not debian or a driver
or anything, it should work fine
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3277 [22:30:59] <HyP3r> since then nothing worked
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3280 [22:32:07] <HyP3r> I tried nouveau (X.org can't load the
driver), nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver (artifacts), nvidia-driver (does
not support that old card) original driver from nvidia (also
340.xxx) is not able to start
3281 [22:32:14] <HyP3r> Maybe the card died :/
3282 [22:32:39] <HyP3r> I will buy this card. Its a bit cheaper
than grimsley
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3284 [22:33:03] <petn-randall> xar-: Can you show numbers? While I
believe you that you might have performance problems, I don't
think cpufreq would be my first place to look.
3285 [22:33:31] <johnkeates> dont install any of those, only
nouveau
3286 [22:33:49] <johnkeates> and dont configure anythning either,
it's automatic, manual configuration often just breaks things
3287 [22:34:19] <johnkeates> how do the graphics look in the bios?
3288 [22:34:33] <HyP3r> johnkeates: I also uninstalled everything
(first with the orignal driver unistalled it, because its not
maintained with the package manager) then I purged everything with
apt-get purge 'nvidia-*'
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3290 [22:34:50] <HyP3r> johnkeates: then I removed the modprobes
(noveau was blacklisted)
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3293 [22:35:11] <HyP3r> johnkeates: but then I have just two erros
while Xorg loads: can't load glx and then can't load
nvidia
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3295 [22:35:15] <johnkeates> does nouveau show up in dmesg
3296 [22:35:26] <johnkeates> delete xorg.org
3297 [22:35:27] <HyP3r> johnkeates: the graphics looks fine in
bios,
3298 [22:35:31] <johnkeates> xorg-.conf
3299 [22:35:51] <HyP3r> johnkeates: ok?
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3301 [22:36:09] <johnkeates> those errors are because of nividua
3302 [22:36:18] <johnkeates> x11 no longer needs a config file
3303 [22:36:24] <grimsley> well it is a bit cheaper
3304 [22:36:39] <HyP3r> I'm tired today, after 10 hours of
work and now 2 hours graphic card maintainance in our local
firedepartment :(. I'll continue tomorow
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3307 [22:37:11] <johnkeates> okay
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3309 [22:37:25] <HyP3r> but johnkeates I'll try your
suggetions
3310 [22:37:40] <johnkeates> just remember: only nouveau, nothing
else (no xorg either), if it doesn't work in accelerated mode,
the gpu might be dead (bios is vesa as is grub)
3311 [22:37:48] <johnkeates> good luck
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3348 [22:55:43] <frezy> hi there, i scp -r a dir into a remote
debian and it says copied everything on the server i only find first
level dirs without the content but when i find ./ it lists
everything.... anyone an idea whats going on?
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3350 [22:56:09] <kusznir_> Hi all: I'm trying to do a netinst
of debian 7 on a machine using a pretty scratched up CD (what I
have...I really don't want to have to drive to my home in
another city to burn a new cd, and then drive back to install
debian).
3351 [22:56:43] <kusznir_> The CD has loaded the installer and
seems to be working fairly well, but in "install the base
system" it gets a file transfer error on the kernel package,
loading it from CD. It has network access already.
3352 [22:57:05] <kusznir_> Is there a way to force the installer
to download ALL packages from the internet and stop trying to use
the CD? I know I used to do that with RedHat in the day...
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3358 [22:59:22] <frezy> did some stupid mistake :P
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3372 [23:03:50] <xar-> petn-randall: unfortunately jessie has been
replaced by stretch after the failed upgrade yesterday, but I do
know unequivocally the reported MHz in /proc/cpuinfo was closer to
spec under jessie at idle, unfortunately with the upgrade
there's no data to collect unless I download jessie and go
backwards
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3430 [23:31:03] <petn-randall> !xy problem
3431 [23:31:03] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
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3435 [23:32:16] <petn-randall> xar-: See above. What user-visible
*issue* are you observing? As in, do you see really bad performance
on a daemon, or something?
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3438 [23:33:08] <xar-> respectfully, lemme redirect, is there a
systemd service that controls this that I can adjust the behavior?
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3443 [23:34:38] <petn-randall> xar-: cpufrequtils is probably what
you're looking for. Good luck with debugging.
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3445 [23:36:50] <petn-randall> xar-: An easy way to test *before*
changing anything is to run cpuburn and check if the frequency goes
up to the maximum. If that's the case, you're looking into
the wrong end.
3446 [23:37:33] <xar-> haven't heard of that utility,
I'll check that out thanks; this server runs a myriad of
virtual machines, I just don't want to leave this stone
unturned
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3449 [23:39:29] <petn-randall> xar-: No way for us to know as long
as you don't tell about the problem. But I highly doubt
it's cpufreq since the scheduler adjust the frequency about
1000 times per second, so you won't be able to see any lag in
human timescales.
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3463 [23:43:09] <obiwahn> when i upgrade roundcube or upgrade to
mariadb my mysql server dies with some segfault due to nullptr
access
3464 [23:43:55] <obiwahn> is there a command to reinstall every
installed lib?
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3471 [23:47:03] <zerocool> hello everyone
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3473 [23:47:11] <eck> hello zerocool
3474 [23:47:34] <zerocool> i need an uefi bootable iso for dvd,
does anything like this exist?
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3476 [23:48:48] <jmcnaught> Debian installer images can boot from
UEFI since wheezy. Debian live images can boot from UEFI as of
stretch
3477 [23:48:56] <petn-randall> zerocool: The default one boots
just fine from UEFI.
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3479 [23:49:22] <zerocool> ah, stretch... i guess that'll
have to do but i'd prefer jessie
3480 [23:49:24] <jmcnaught> obiwahn: 'aptitude -s reinstall
~i~n^lib' but unless you think libraries are damaged some how
it's not clear how this will help you
3481 [23:49:24] <zerocool> jmcnaught: thanks
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3488 [23:52:19] <jelly> zerocool: neither jessie nor stretch
installer isos support uefi secure boot, if that is enabled, you
need to disable it
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3491 [23:54:11] <zerocool> jelly: secure boot's off but
thanks
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3494 [23:55:04] <obiwahn> jmcnaught: maybe there is some broken
lib
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3496 [23:55:14] <obiwahn> jmcnaught: i really run out ideas
3497 [23:55:45] <obiwahn> i was just wonderding that there is not
-dbg package for mysql
3498 [23:56:01] <obiwahn> do i need some special mirror for debug
packages?
3499 [23:56:05] <jmcnaught> obiwahn: do you have logs and/or
command output of the errors that you can put on a paste site?
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3501 [23:56:21] <obiwahn> or do i have to compile the binary
mayself to have a look with gdb or rr
3502 [23:56:32] <obiwahn> myself
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3504 [23:56:44] <jmcnaught> obiwahn: new archive for debug symbols
is covered in the release notes
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3508 [23:59:17] <obiwahn>
replaced-url
3509 [23:59:18] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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