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21[00:08:13] <aguitel> how install flash in stretch ?
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33[00:14:03] <galex-713> Hi
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35[00:14:25] <galex-713> My thinkpad X220 has a modem, does
someone know how to send smses and phonecalls?
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37[00:14:59] <professorkaos64> Is there any merit on building a
tool to build debian packages from a docker image? This would be
like pbuilder but use docker images instead so it an also be used on
non-debian distros and use other build tools
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39[00:15:39] <jrtc27> professorkaos64: !dpkg fish builder
manipulative
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40[00:15:48] <jrtc27> o.O huh
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41[00:15:49] <jrtc27>
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42[00:16:15] <professorkaos64> pretty much that, but handle
rpms and Arch Linux too
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49[00:18:48] <jrtc27> professorkaos64: idk about that; maybe
see if you can extend that one rather than reinventing the wheel? :)
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52[00:19:15] <professorkaos64> I was going to take this one
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53[00:19:32] <professorkaos64> that dev can't really
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63[00:24:59] <aguitel> anyway to install flash plugin in
stretch ?
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64[00:25:30] <mutante> is curious what the answer will be. gave
up myself after 5 min :p
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66[00:25:57] <mutante> stupid Flash, always annoying since 10
years but still not dead.. getting close though
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68[00:26:43] <aguitel> mutante, dont understand
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71[00:27:05] <mutante> aguitel: we are in the same boat, i want
to know as well
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73[00:27:23] <aguitel> mutante,ok
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74[00:27:30] <forcerecon> sorry for delay.. I can't
believe this little home server can run windows graphics but not
debian 9 cinnamon
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76[00:27:44] <forcerecon> hmph.. can't even reboot.. but
will figure it out
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83[00:33:32] <humbot> do you really need flash ? youtube uses
html5 now, so do nearly all news sites
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84[00:34:24] <forcerecon> so even after a reboot I still get no
panel or start menu, just wallpaper and a very very slow system.. I
was able to open terminal and reboot, is gnome less resource
intensive than cinnamon?
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86[00:34:42] <forcerecon> is there a way to change it via
terminal and see if that speeds things up
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87[00:35:12] <humbot> i think the package is
flashplugin-nonfree mutante aguitel
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90[00:37:17] <forcerecon> I reboot login and get everything but
the interface.. I get wallpaper and mouse.. but nothing else..
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91[00:37:17] <shtrb> galex-713 , is the modem work ? if yes you
can use AT commands (if it supports)
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96[00:37:17] <shtrb> forcerecon , KDE or gnome ?
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97[00:37:23] <shtrb> or anything else
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103[00:38:11] <galex-713> shtrb, the modem is integrated
(internal, through usb, not pci), and I can have 3G
“internet” with it
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104[00:38:28] <galex-713> oh sorry I have to go
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105[00:38:30] <galex-713> bye
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106[00:38:35] <shtrb> have fun
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110[00:39:08] <aguitel> humbot, no package found for stretch
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111[00:39:29] <humbot> oh :o
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113[00:39:45] <upbeta> does anyone know how to make thunderbolt
display work on Debian 9?
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121[00:42:53] <Hoolootwo> probably depends on your hardware and
stuff
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123[00:43:13] <forcerecon> shtrb: cinnamon
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127[00:44:00] <forcerecon> debian 9 cinnamon shall I reinstall
with gnome or is there a way to change to gnome on the fly
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132[00:46:13] <humbot> forcerecon: the answer to some of your
questions is yes
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137[00:49:01] <forcerecon> this is a good learning adventure..
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139[00:49:08] <forcerecon> finally get it installed and its
useless..
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140[00:49:17] <forcerecon> live and learn
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141[00:49:18] <forcerecon> :D
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152[00:56:01] <nvz> forcerecon: you typically have a display
manager which offers a graphical login and you can choose your
session type at that login screen
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155[00:56:23] <eyes> Can you use luks to encrypt a root
partition if there is already a debian install ?
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159[00:58:11] <shtrb> eyes , you should always encrypt the
parttion before the installation
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161[00:58:53] <nvz> eyes: how large is the partition and how
much is in use?
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162[00:59:05] <eyes> 475gb
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164[00:59:17] <eyes> 100gb
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167[00:59:39] <nvz> so you could if need be do an offline resize
encrypt deal
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172[01:00:31] <nvz> you'd boot from some other media like a
flash drive or install cd, and shrink the partition, create a new
partition and encrypt it, move the data and then delete the
unencrypted partition and grow the new partition
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173[01:00:54] <nvz> it would be much simpler however to backup
the data and reinstall if you have the ability to do so
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174[01:01:02] <nvz> not to mention it'd be a whole lot
safer
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189[01:06:48] <darko> can
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191[01:06:55] <nvz> jar
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192[01:07:05] <ozzloy> can't
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193[01:07:16] <darko> can someone tell me how can i get a vhost?
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194[01:07:18] <darko> xD
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196[01:07:27] <darko> y'all are funny
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199[01:07:40] <nvz> we thought you were playing a word
association game
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200[01:07:40] <mutante> darko: what do you mean? a webserver?
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202[01:07:59] <nvz> generally you get those sort of things by
shopping online and purchasing one
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204[01:08:14] <darko> no, I mean I want my ip to be hidden
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205[01:08:34] <darko> I have a better opsec, just new to
freenode
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206[01:08:50] <darko> and idk if we get a virtual host here
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207[01:09:07] <nvz> darko: freenode offers cloaks but they
don't really hide your ip very securely
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208[01:09:11] <mutante> darko: oh, just rent access to a server
somwhere and run your IRC client there..
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209[01:09:38] <darko> yes, currently on my vps, proudly a debian
one
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210[01:09:57] <darko> w
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211[01:09:57] <nvz> darko: then what's the problem? :-P
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212[01:10:19] <mutante> darko:
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213[01:10:29] <darko> well, i didnot pay by btc for my vps
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214[01:10:57] <mutante> darko: read that, and if you still want
a cloak, ask in #freenode for one
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215[01:11:08] <darko> thank you mutante and nvz :D
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216[01:11:08] <mutante> you can get an "unaffiliated"
one
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217[01:11:17] <darko> :D
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218[01:11:21] * darko reads
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224[01:14:15] <botho> how does debian deblob its kernel? or does
it use a linux-libre one ? i ask because there was an interview with
the person responsible for deblobbing linux-libre, so i wondered how
debian did it
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225[01:14:26] <darko> i got it. thanks again
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234[01:17:52] <nvz> botho: deblob? the linux kernel has never
had blobs
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238[01:18:20] <nvz> you add that crap in and it says "this
taints your kernel"
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239[01:18:29] <botho> ?
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240[01:18:36] <nvz> blobs are not part of the mainline kerel to
begin with
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241[01:18:45] <botho> they are
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242[01:18:51] <botho> they are not part of the debian kernel
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243[01:18:55] <botho> but mainline, yes
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244[01:19:04] <nvz> botho: such as?
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245[01:19:30] <nvz> linus hates blobs he has flamed people for
mucking up his kernel just with 3rd party stuff
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251[01:21:25] <botho> well i dont know what kind of blobs are in
the kernel specifically, i just know there are
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252[01:21:36] <botho> hence why linux-libre exists
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258[01:23:02] <nvz> linux-libre is just another project that
like debian aims to make a distribution free of blobs they're
not talking about the kernel specifically
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262[01:23:25] <nvz> debian only includes things like binary
firmware and such in its non-free repos
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266[01:23:49] <nvz> projects aiming to "deblob" as you
say are trying to reverse engineer free alternatives to such things
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267[01:24:06] <nvz> you don't deblob the kernel, you just
dont use stuff that requires binary only drivers
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268[01:24:15] <botho> you are mistaken nvz
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270[01:25:40] <botho> anyway i asked somewhere else, seems
debian run their own scripts on mainline kernel to deblob it, they
don't use linux-libre kernel
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271[01:25:43] <jrmu> If I recall correctly, there are in fact
blobs in the mainline kernel
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272[01:25:59] <jrmu> debian uses some of the same tools as the
linux libre project to deblob it
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274[01:26:18] <jrmu>
replaced-url
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275[01:26:21] <mutante> there used to but then they got removed
so finally the FSF could approve of Debian as "free"?
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278[01:26:42] <jrmu> mutante: I don't think the fsf will
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279[01:26:46] <jrmu> nothing to do with the kernel itself
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280[01:26:50] <botho> indeed
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281[01:26:55] <botho> non-free repos is the problem
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282[01:27:03] <mutante> because of the non-free repos,, yea
true.. but werent there also blobs removed? hmmm
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283[01:27:23] <mutante> i seem to remember something about at
least reducing them
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284[01:27:52] <jrmu> These distros don't use the packaged
Linux-libre but instead completely deblob the proprietary Linux
kernel with some of the tools to make Linux-libre. The source is
then compiled and the resulting free Linux kernel is used by default
in these systems
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285[01:27:59] <jrmu> quoted from the wikipedia page
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288[01:28:49] <jrmu> I'm happy with debian though since as
long as you don't intentionally add the repos it's all
open source software
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291[01:29:20] <jrmu> mutante: as far as I am aware, debian has
no blobs in its kernel. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
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292[01:29:48] <nvz> hmm I guess I been using debian so long I
just assumed all that crap has always been seperate
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293[01:30:09] <jrmu> I don't think the other distros care
though. Like if you picked up red hat, it probably has a kernel with
blogs
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294[01:30:13] <jrmu> s/blogs/blobs*
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295[01:30:28] <nvz> and I've listened to linus on his
nvidia bashing rants and stuff, I figured he'd die before
he'd let that crap go mainline
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297[01:30:42] <jrmu> nvz: I think he tried to keep the blobs
isolated
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298[01:30:51] <jrmu> so it doesn't contaminate the kernel
code too much
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300[01:31:21] <nvz> well you see what happened to Berkeley and
how long they fought to get their stuff back from AT&T
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302[01:31:29] <botho> yes thats what i meant
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304[01:31:35] <botho> mainline has blobs, debian kernel does not
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305[01:31:51] <botho> and i wondered if debian used the
linux-libre kernel,or deblobbed linux themselves
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306[01:31:52] <jrmu> ok wikipedia says debian has been blob free
since 6.0 squeeze
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307[01:31:53] <botho> its the latter
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308[01:31:57] <nvz> well it can't it would violate the DFSG
and thus the Social Contract
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310[01:32:31] <botho> and i wondered because linux-libre has a
bug; you cant load proprietary firmware even if you wanted to. it
was described 4 years ago as a bug, it hasn't been fixed yet
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312[01:32:56] <botho> i was wondering if the debien kernel had
the same bug, but that wouldn't make any sense i guess, since
nonfree repo enables proprietary stuff
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313[01:33:01] <jrmu> it's part of the reason why other
distros just work and my wifi on debian doesn't
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314[01:33:10] <nvz> well that obviously isn't an issue in
debian, as the non-free firmware and drivers work in debian's
kernels
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315[01:34:03] <botho> i wonder what could be different in
linux-libre's work and debian's work..
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317[01:34:21] <botho> as in: why does linux-libre have that bug,
and debian doesnt
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318[01:34:44] <jrmu> I'm curious too. I think if we learned
to build our own distro from scratch
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319[01:34:53] <jrmu> and deblobbed it ourselves we could
probably see how it was done.
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322[01:35:26] <nvz> I don't have an issue with binary
drivers if they work and are well supported. Which is why I tended
to disagree with Linus about nvidia because they stay on top of
their drivers and they always worked incredibly well for me. Its
when I run into crap that isn't maintained properly and
doesn't work right that I take issue.
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323[01:35:35] <jrmu> I've actually wanted to play around
with slack but it didn't have a deblobbed kernel, so I went
with debian
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324[01:35:48] <jrmu> I'd really like to see if I could
build slack without the blobs
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325[01:35:54] <jrmu> s/slack/slackware
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326[01:35:59] <nvz> I always hated how broadcom would block
monitor mode in their drivers for example
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327[01:36:47] <jrmu> I'm worried about malware in binary
only drivers
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330[01:36:57] <jrmu> also I can't stand signing those
terrible EULAs
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332[01:37:40] <jrmu> do you run debian on modern hardware?
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333[01:37:51] <nvz> yeah I think of that shit too sometimes but
these days they build backdoors right into the hardware itself and
most people don't really pay close enough attention to their
open source code to know if it did something anyhow.
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335[01:38:24] <jrmu> I'm worried about the hardware too.
I've been looking at libreboot
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336[01:38:27] <nvz> my hardware is modern, to be sure, as in it
just came out recently, but its also half baked chinese trash
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339[01:38:37] <jrmu> I feel like no one can trust their
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341[01:39:14] <jrmu> oops, wrong channel, I thought this was
#debian-offtopic
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342[01:39:20] <nvz> we should move this discussion to
#debian-offtopic..
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417[02:43:36] <oojacoboo> hey guys, could use a little help,
trying to find a source for installing `git-crypt`, but I'm a
bit new to Debian
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418[02:43:53] <oojacoboo> I looked and it seems like the package
is available in "stretch" source
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420[02:44:07] <oojacoboo> I'm currently using
"jessie"
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423[02:44:29] <oojacoboo> is "jessie" codename for Deb
8 and "stretch" is Deb 9
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424[02:44:39] <oojacoboo> ?
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425[02:45:00] <ozzloy> oojacoboo, yes
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426[02:45:20] <oojacoboo> ozzloy is there any recommendation for
installing a package like this on Deb 8?
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427[02:45:27] <ozzloy> (this is exactly the confusion i was
asking about recently with codenames)
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430[02:45:41] <oojacoboo> I guess compiling, but not sure if
there is another way to pull from another source
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431[02:46:01] <ozzloy> i recommend upgrading to deb 9 unless you
have a specific compelling reason not to
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432[02:46:14] <ozzloy> also i would start searching something
like:
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435[02:46:20] <oojacoboo> ozzloy using the official php docker
container
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437[02:46:26] <oojacoboo> which is Debian jessie
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439[02:46:32] <ozzloy> "debian package how do i get source
code"
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440[02:46:53] <somiaj> ozzloy: use a deb-src line and then
apt-get source packagename
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441[02:47:09] <oojacoboo> somiaj just saw that in a google
search
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442[02:47:27] <ozzloy> boom
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444[02:47:46] <oojacoboo> does that require that I update my
sources?
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445[02:47:56] <ozzloy> yes
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446[02:48:02] <ozzloy> add apt line, then update
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447[02:48:03] <lookingforme> he
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448[02:48:09] <ozzloy> then apt-get source
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449[02:48:12] <oojacoboo> ozzloy does that update the OS?
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450[02:48:23] <oojacoboo> or is that a temporary source change,
then change it back?
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452[02:49:09] <ozzloy> no it doesn't update the whole OS
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453[02:49:09] <ozzloy> the apt line just tells apt another place
it can look for packages
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454[02:49:14] <ozzloy> and what kind of packages
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455[02:49:18] <somiaj> deb-src lines only give access to source
packages and can safely be added to your sources.list for a
different release than you are running.
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456[02:49:30] <somiaj> you can't install binary packages
with deb-src lines, only source code
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457[02:49:36] <oojacoboo> ozzloy but if I issued an apt-get
upgrade, it would do a full OS upgrade, no?
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458[02:49:45] <oojacoboo> after updating my sources, that is
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459[02:49:53] <ozzloy> update != upgrade
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460[02:49:54] <ozzloy> oh
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461[02:49:59] <dvs> oojacoboo, no, read the release notes
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462[02:50:07] <ozzloy> do your apt lines say "stable"
or "jessie"
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463[02:50:09] <ozzloy> ?
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464[02:50:14] <oojacoboo> ozzloy yes
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466[02:50:23] <ozzloy> which one?
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467[02:50:27] <ozzloy> (both?)
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468[02:50:33] <ozzloy> i'm a little out of my depth here
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469[02:50:38] <oojacoboo> debian jessie main
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470[02:50:46] <ozzloy> i defer to Someone Else (tm)
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472[02:51:21] <ozzloy> but having said that, if it says
"jessie" my guess is that you'll continue having
jessie
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474[02:51:39] <oojacoboo> hmm, was reading some upgrade notes
that said otherwise, I thought
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475[02:51:45] <oojacoboo> if you ran "upgrade", that
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477[02:52:26] <ozzloy> if it says "stable" then
you'll get whatever is "stable" at the time you issue
the command
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479[02:52:50] <ozzloy> which changes from time to time. until
recently, "stable" meant "jessie"
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480[02:53:19] <oojacoboo> yea
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481[02:53:28] <oojacoboo> I'll TIAS
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482[02:53:32] <ozzloy> so if you had "stable" and
stable has changed to refer to stretch
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483[02:53:32] <oojacoboo> thanks
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487[02:55:05] <ozzloy> then issuing "sudo apt-get
dist-upgrade"
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488[02:55:12] <ozzloy> woops, sorry
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489[02:55:15] <ozzloy> i'm on the phone now
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492[02:56:35] <RainbowFagPride> Hello
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493[02:57:08] <ozzloy> (sorry, i have to step away for a bit.
oojacoboo, you should get help from another person)
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495[02:57:45] <oojacoboo> ozzloy I updated source.list, `apt-get
autoremove`, then `apt-get update` then `apt-get install git-crypt`
and it worked
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496[02:57:49] <oojacoboo> I'm still on Deb 8
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497[02:58:48] <RainbowFagPride> Hello Freenode, I represent the
Rainbow Fag Pride 420 movement.
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498[02:58:50] <RainbowFagPride> We wish to legalize gay
marriage, crack cocaine, and transgender rights across the world
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499[02:58:53] <RainbowFagPride> I have come to ask for the
assistance of expert computer programmers in our mission to free the
queers
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501[02:59:11] <oojacoboo> RainbowFagPride please refrain from
being offensive
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502[02:59:35] <RainbowFagPride> oojacoboo: are you a Muslim? You
find LGBT issues offensive?
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503[02:59:36] <oojacoboo> pretty sure no one is going to take
you seriously, or even find it funny
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504[02:59:56] <oojacoboo> I'm an agnostic, white American
male
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505[02:59:57] <oojacoboo> thanks
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506[02:59:58] <RainbowFagPride> If not a Muslim you must be from
the Ku Klux Klan
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507[03:00:19] <RainbowFagPride> oojacoboo: then what is your
grounds for calling our movement offensive???
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508[03:00:29] <Bsadowski1> ...
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509[03:00:53] <oojacoboo> RainbowFagPride find another tree to
bark up bro
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510[03:01:39] <RainbowFagPride> I am not barking. Are you
calling LGBT persons dogs?
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511[03:01:51] <RainbowFagPride> !ops can someone deal with this
racist oojacoboo please?
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512[03:01:52] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rainbowfagpride
complains about: can someone deal with this racist oojacoboo please
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513[03:01:52] <oojacoboo> can someone please ban this troll
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514[03:01:55] <ryouma> drop it
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515[03:02:08] <ryouma> (to the troll)
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517[03:02:10] <forcerecon> If I add drives at a later time to
debian will it cause any issues to booting
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518[03:02:36] <ryouma> forcerecon: your boot sequence might be
relevant
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519[03:02:45] <ryouma> but you can probably set that
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524[03:03:42] <forcerecon> I am having what seems like major lag
on the machine once debian is installed,, gonna try one more time
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525[03:03:53] <forcerecon> I never get the panel or menu..
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527[03:04:16] <forcerecon> and doing a key combination for
terminal takes minutes to open
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528[03:04:21] <forcerecon> so not sure what is going on..
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529[03:04:58] <forcerecon> what is the least resource intensive
flavor of debian but still graphic
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532[03:05:19] <ryouma> use a window manager
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536[03:06:17] <somiaj> debian can be fairly minimial on
resources. It is about the software you choose to run, not the
distrubtion.
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538[03:07:01] <forcerecon> well just not sure why windows would
run so well on the home server but linux is having what seems to be
video issues
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540[03:07:17] <ryouma> minutes to open sounds like a disk
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541[03:07:28] <ryouma> accessing a block
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542[03:07:38] <ryouma> try smartctl
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543[03:07:42] <forcerecon> might be.,,, need to reset one more
tim e
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544[03:07:46] <ryouma> smartmontools package
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545[03:07:59] <ryouma> look at offline uncorrected and ..
whatever the ohter one is
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546[03:08:06] <ryouma> reallocated sector count or something
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547[03:08:14] <ryouma> look at raw numbers
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548[03:08:57] <forcerecon> its too slow to install anything or
check anything would take hours
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549[03:09:32] <forcerecon> just easier to try and configure it
once more and then maybe try another distro just to test it out..
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550[03:09:39] <forcerecon> thanks everyone
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551[03:10:23] <ryouma> tell us what it was if you can
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555[03:12:57] <forcerecon> I wish I understood the shell better,
maybe look at some logs some place to see what is going on
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612[03:46:30] <Devastator> which channel should be suitable for
virtualization questions? I'm mainly curious if I should use a
different hdd for the host system and another one for the VMs or it
is "ok" to put all in one
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614[03:46:56] <plbyrdWork> Hello
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615[03:47:11] <plbyrdWork> What is the package that contains
configure so I can build stuff?
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616[03:47:24] <plbyrdWork> I would have thought it would be in
build-essential, but it isn't.
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619[03:47:53] <Hoolootwo> that's not how things work
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621[03:48:10] <Hoolootwo> configure is part of the source in
almost all cases
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622[03:48:25] <plbyrdWork> ok
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623[03:48:55] <plbyrdWork> I'm trying to get gala compiled
from the sources.
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624[03:49:12] <plbyrdWork> I don't see a configure app in
the folder, but there is a configure.ac
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625[03:49:29] <ryouma> ./configure is usually a shell script or
smoething
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626[03:49:49] <ryouma> maybe you can look at the makefile
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630[03:55:33] <plbyrdWork> ok
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642[04:03:01] <plbyrdWork> @somiaj Thank you. I'm on my way
now.
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677[04:11:14] <mandate20> Would you guys say that Ubuntu is more
secure than Debian on a desktop level (for average users)
considering the amount of app armor packages that ubuntu has
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cable to it, the screen tells me 'No DisplayPort Cable".
Is there a way to check the connected screens under Debian Stable
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libGL error: unable to load driver: r600_dri.so
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rendering.
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873[04:22:29] <Peyam> hi. When I run matlab following comes up:
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967[05:05:36] <context> so i have virtual networks setup for
wifi, but wpa_supplicant still starts at boot and when i try to ifup
iface=vritual i fails. i have to manually stop
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968[05:05:43] <context> is there an /easy/ way to fix this
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974[05:08:24] <context> or i guess, what is the best way to have
saved networks and just... have it try to connect to whatever it can
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981[05:10:31] <dvs> context, wpa-supplicant on roam mode
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982[05:11:12] <context> dvs: k ill google that
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984[05:12:51] <dvs> context,
/usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz
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991[05:14:43] <context> anyway to tell wpa_supplicant.conf to
include other files. so i can keep networks like in
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf.d or something? ;x im not
seeing anything though
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1027[05:33:52] <context> alright. i have auto iface.. but i still
have to ifup iface after logging in :X
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1033[05:40:44] <context> nm got that fixed :)
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1117[07:04:00] <noalternative> I need help getting wifi &
battery indicator working on hp x2 10 laptop. I trying to follow
directions from here
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1118[07:06:29] <noalternative> I installed multiarch jessie &
enabled backports but I can't install new linux image because
of dependency.errors
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1119[07:07:02] <noalternative> can someone help?
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1130[07:14:57] <jmcnaught> noalternative: "/msg dpkg
bat" for information to provide for troubleshooting package
dependency problems. Have you tried running stretch on it?
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1134[07:16:37] <noalternative> well I downloaded right before
Jessie became old stable.
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1135[07:17:09] <noalternative> so no I have tried stretch.
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1136[07:18:11] <noalternative> I will run that command. The paste
is from my apt console.
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1141[07:18:40] <jmcnaught> noalternative: do you need the rt
kernel? To install from backports you need to set it as the target:
"apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-686-pae"
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1142[07:18:59] <noalternative> ok
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1144[07:19:52] <jmcnaught> noalternative: also stretch was
released last month and has newer versions of packages without
needing to use backports, it's easy to upgrade following the
instructions in the release notes:
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1145[07:21:48] <noalternative> thanks apt-get is installing that
one. I wasn't sure what to install becaause nothing looked like
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1152[07:27:34] <noalternative> jmcnaught I'm going to reboot
now but will be back.
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1371[09:21:10] <Haris> hello all
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1372[09:21:23] <tx> hello one
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1373[09:21:27] <Haris> can we have php 5.x (5.5.x or 5.6.x) on
debian 9 ?
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1374[09:21:34] <Haris> on stretch
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1390[09:27:31] <mandate20> anyone know if you are required to do
fancy chances within debian stretch (like modify grub) when using
apparmor? Or is it now as simple as installing the package
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1431[09:45:25] <petn-randall> Haris: PHP5 is not in stretch.
However, you can still install jessie. It's still supported and
comes with PHP 5.6.
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1433[09:45:46] <Haris> no option to install 5.6 on stretch ?
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1486[10:06:15] <petn-randall> Haris: You can always compile it by
hand.
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1488[10:06:30] <Haris> noted
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1490[10:06:46] <Haris> usually the libraries do not support
backward compatibility
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1492[10:06:52] <Haris> but let's see
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1493[10:07:06] <petn-randall> Haris: What about installing
jessie?
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1495[10:07:15] <Haris> I could do that
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1496[10:07:26] <Haris> debian does upgrade smoothly from jessie
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1497[10:07:30] <Haris> as before
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1498[10:07:41] <petn-randall> Haris: As always, yes. But you
should always make backups.
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1499[10:07:54] <Haris> this is a brand new VM
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1662[11:33:15] <guest223> I installed Debian 9 Stable with xfce
but i am having problems with wifi. I am able to see all the
available networks but can't connect.
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1663[11:33:27] <guest223> I used the non free iso.
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1672[11:37:03] <petn-randall> Guest86097: What wifi device do you
have?
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1674[11:37:12] <petn-randall> Guest86097: You can check with
'lspci -nn'.
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1676[11:38:11] <shtrb> guest223 , what do you mean
"can't connect" , can you perform auth + dhcp request
from cli ?
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1678[11:38:49] <shtrb> maybe nm "forgot" the password
for the wifi (it happen sometimes if you lose connection ) and you
have to manually click on the connect in the app
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1681[11:39:17] <shtrb> *if you are using nm to begin with
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1683[11:40:20] <petn-randall> shtrb: There are several wifi
devices that seemingly work without firmware packages, but they have
buggy firmware on-chip, and fail to work on WPA2, for example.
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1686[11:40:58] <shtrb> I know that is why I asked if he can
perform an auth from cli
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1688[11:41:29] <shtrb> if he can , and he uses nm , it maybe as
simple as the problem I had last week (nm forcing you to click on
connect because the connection was dropped (too far from the router)
)
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1690[11:42:23] <shtrb> being able to auth mean you finished the
process with wpa_supplicant without errors (in case of WPA2/WPA )
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1691[11:42:52] <petn-randall> shtrb: good point
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1692[11:42:54] <shtrb> getting the CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED
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1708[11:48:40] <guest223> I am a complete beginner. So how do I
perform an auth from cli?
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1712[11:49:15] <BrainWork> guest223, please define "an
auth"?
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1713[11:49:22] <nku> guest223: do you have a login prompt?
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1714[11:49:30] <shtrb> I said it , an auth to a wifi
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1715[11:49:41] <BrainWork> ah
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1717[11:49:50] <shtrb> guest233 , do you get the popup in xfce
that ask for a password when you click connect ?
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1718[11:50:03] <guest223> I get a prompt.
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1719[11:50:16] <shtrb> after you insert do you see any message or
change ?
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1720[11:50:23] <shtrb> on screen
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1721[11:50:37] <guest223> The network connection has been
disconnected.
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1723[11:51:51] <guest223> It is on a fresh install, and i tried
reimstall the OS but the problem still persists even though tge
wireless did connect during install.
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1724[11:52:07] <plundra> Any idea why xbrightness has stopped
working for me when moving from jessie to stretch? (Sprinkles of sid
and experimental as well maybe... :))
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1725[11:52:11] <shtrb> you would need to open cli (terminal) ,
try something like dmesh| tail 10 after the connection an attempt
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1726[11:52:31] <BrainWork> tail -n100 -f /var/log/messages
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1727[11:52:32] <shtrb> *dmesg | tail -n 10
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1728[11:52:46] <BrainWork> that might help, it will keep it
scrolling, then you just try to conenct and see what it says
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1729[11:52:54] <BrainWork> failing that /var/log/syslog might
have more information
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1730[11:52:55] <shtrb> BrainWork too much info
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1731[11:53:12] <shtrb> guest233 , if you paste use a paste site
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1732[11:53:33] <shtrb> you might be missing a firmware , or nm
being not friendly
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1734[11:54:14] <guest223> it says
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1735[11:54:31] <guest223> send auth to
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1736[11:54:41] <guest223> then the mac address
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1737[11:54:48] <guest223> then authenticated
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1738[11:55:03] <guest223> It is repeated three times.
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1740[11:55:25] <shtrb> you have assoited ?
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1741[11:55:33] <shtrb> or deauth
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1743[11:55:46] <petn-randall> guest223: Can you connect the
problematic PC via Ethernet? That way you could paste the exact
messages you get, which would help us with debugging.
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1744[11:55:53] <guest223> then IPv6 ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP) link is
not ready
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1745[11:56:04] <shtrb> you better paste it on some paste site
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1746[11:56:13] <petn-randall> !paste
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1747[11:56:13] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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1748[11:56:35] <guest223> Ok.
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1750[11:56:41] <humbobo> on some laptop i had to disable IPv6 in
the settings
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1752[11:57:44] <Dagger> ...please don't disable v6 just
because the v6 code has an informative message telling you that the
interface isn't ready yet
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1753[11:59:17] <guest223>
replaced-url
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1765[12:02:56] <shtrb> the association is missing from that trace
- please make sure your mac is not banned on the router and that you
are not missing any firmware
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1771[12:04:52] <shtrb> To be sure you can create a
/etc/wpa_suppliant.conf file (using wpa_passphrase ) and than doing
wpa_supplicant -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlxc83a35ca4935
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1776[12:05:43] <guest223> ok.
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1777[12:05:53] <shtrb> wpa_passphrase "networkname"
password >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
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1778[12:06:06] <shtrb> guest223 , and double check the password
:)
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1779[12:06:44] <humbobo> especially if theres odd characters or
different locales
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1781[12:06:55] <debooooo> Hey is Debian Live same as Ubuntu Live
I mean does it only use the RAM for storage like Ubuntu?
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1782[12:07:12] <guest223> Well thanks.
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1783[12:08:38] <guest223> I am sure that the mac is not banned as
it was working previously while i was using ubuntu gnome. And I have
tried that password a couple of times and even tried connecting to
my phones hotspot. Couldn't connect.
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1784[12:09:16] <petn-randall> debooooo: That's how live
systems work, yes. However, if you want to install, I recommend
using the net installer, since the live system at least has a bug
setting the root password when installing with it.
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1785[12:09:43] <jelly> debooooo, by default yes. There's
some support for persistence that requires extra configuration.
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1804[12:19:19] <opv> hi everyone, i want to automate the install
of the "snoopy" package on debian 8. however, the install
routine as part of apt presents me with a "dialog" window
after the package is installed. how can i automate that?
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1809[12:22:00] <petn-randall> opv: If you have a non-interactive
shell it will just select the defaults and skip the dialog.
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1830[12:30:07] <nohitall> hi I have a issue with stretch
installation, I amtrying to install it on a 50GB partition (guided
partitioning) but it fails because it says its too small...?
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1838[12:32:52] <petn-randall> nohitall: How did you create the
installation image?
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1839[12:35:08] <nohitall> petn-randall: ah nevermind...I forgot a
step in between *facepalm*
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1840[12:35:21] <nohitall> installing now fine
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1844[12:36:57] <nohitall> petn-randall: got so many disks I
oversaw "finish partitioning and writes changes to disk"
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1846[12:38:06] <petn-randall> nohitall: Ah, good you found the
mistake.
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1848[12:39:29] <nohitall> petn-randall: yea 99% user mistake
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1851[12:42:05] <joe03> Hi after updating a Server from Debian 6
to 7 the network interfaces do not come up automatically on boot.
Nothing changed in network/interfaces. The interfaces work if I
configure them manually with ifconfig. Any ideas how to fix this ?
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1853[12:43:40] <debooooo> petn-randall and jelly: Thanks.
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1873[12:56:52] <nvz> joe03: check dmesg log to see if it says
anything like link not ready. Paste your interfaces file and dmesg
log on paste.debian.net for more details if need be
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1881[13:03:19] <z8z> Hello, how to remote access a debian
desktop?
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1885[13:05:14] <wondiws> where can I find the keymap or country
code in use for my keyboard?
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1886[13:05:34] <wondiws> I want to change the mapping of the xkb
files, but I need to know which language
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1887[13:05:35] <nvz> z8z: do you want to access a running x
session or start a new one?
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1890[13:06:24] <nku> z8z: ssh?
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1891[13:06:31] <rafalcpp> z8z: using VNC, but because that
protocol was created by totall idiots, always remember to tunnel it
via SSH
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1892[13:07:13] <rafalcpp> z8z: if you are ok with starting
"new apps", other then "connecting to my entire
desktop that I have open", you could use just ssh -X instead
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1893[13:07:14] <nvz> vnc is more for making a new session, rdp is
for accessing a running session
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1895[13:07:25] <rafalcpp> nvz: what? since when
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1898[13:08:14] <nvz> since when you start xvncserver it by
default creates a new x session and doesnt even require that you
have an x server running or even installed, and rdp exports a
current display's framebuffer
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1899[13:08:30] <rafalcpp> nvz: I use VNC to connect to existing
desktops. run vnc server on the desktop (and install firewall etc),
then connect over secure encrypted and authed network from the
client using vnc client
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1900[13:08:48] <rafalcpp> nvz: VNC does the same easily, I used
that, no problems
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1902[13:09:45] <nvz> rdp programs are easier for people that
don't know their way around vnc server, it has guis to start
and manage the sessions even popup a dialog asking if someone can
connect
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1906[13:10:10] <nvz> vnc is good when you want to keep things
light cause as I said it doesnt even require x to be installed
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1908[13:10:26] <rafalcpp> nvz: btw how secure is rdp? encrypted
connection? is password encrypted/hashed?
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1909[13:10:39] <rafalcpp> vnc is the only program I know that is
much less secure then even say systemd
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1912[13:11:13] <rafalcpp> around adobe flash levels. maybe it
should show special warning on first run
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1913[13:11:25] <z8z> nvz: i tried vnc before but i was accessing
a desktop where windows had no top bar and stuff
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1914[13:11:26] <nvz> 11
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1921[13:12:36] <nvz> z8z: sounds like a misconfiguration there
are lots of options
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1922[13:13:00] <nvz> there is a third option built into X but I
forget what its called
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1923[13:13:30] <z8z> nvz: ok i'm trying in this moment....
is there some GUI to setup vnc server?
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1927[13:15:24] <nvz> xdmcp thats what it was called
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1930[13:16:18] <nvz> z8z: in my experience the easiest graphical
method to export a running x server is rdp, not vnc
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1931[13:16:34] <nvz> vnc is more for people who want to get into
the config files and command line options
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1933[13:16:49] <colo-work> what? `x11vnc`, and you are done
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1934[13:17:17] <nvz> hmm I never tried that before
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1936[13:17:38] <nvz> there also seems to be ssvnc which aids
tunneling over ssh
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1937[13:19:25] <z8z> nvz: x11vnc supports encryption.... why
would i need ssh too?
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1938[13:20:07] <nvz> z8z: ssh is to tunnel it if you're
accessing it across the internet because vnc is not encrypted
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1939[13:20:26] <nvz> RDP is a more advanced protocol and can run
more effeciently
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1941[13:21:39] <nvz> RDP not only more intelligently draws the
remote framebuffer, but it can also support extensions like audio
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1942[13:22:26] <nvz> which is why I said vnc is more for the
power user because its just a dumb protocol and needs other things
to make it do stuff RDP already does
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1943[13:22:28] <z8z> nvz: sounds good... it supports encryption
too i guess
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1945[13:23:18] <nvz> yes it does have encryption capabilities on
its own as well
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1946[13:23:36] <nvz> I would still recommend using a VPN or SSH
though when doing these kinds of things over the internet
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1947[13:24:19] <nvz> openvpn and ssh aren't that difficult
to setup and they support more robust port management and security
features like keys
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1949[13:24:58] <nvz> if you're just doing this inside your
home or office network RDP's built in security may be enough
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1959[13:29:11] <aguitel> anyway to install flash plugin in
stretch ?
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1963[13:31:18] <nvz> aguitel: need to add non-free sources and
install flashplugin-nonfree
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1966[13:32:07] <nvz> aguitel: if you need more information on how
to do that, I need to know if you typically use like apt-get or
aptitude on the command line or a GUI like synaptic
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1971[13:33:11] <aguitel> nvz, this is my file:deb
replaced-url
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1973[13:34:10] <jelly> nvz, flashplugin-nonfree downloader has
been broken for months
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1974[13:34:15] <opv> petn-randall: thank you for your response. i
wish to select the other option, how would i go about doing that?
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1975[13:34:29] <nvz> jelly: I thought most new browsers come
bundled with a flash implementation now
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1977[13:34:58] <opv> they do, don't they
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1978[13:35:19] <forcerecon> morning everyone
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1979[13:35:22] <jelly> not the ones you get in debian
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1980[13:35:44] <nvz> jelly: this is the 2nd person I saw ask
about this in the last 24 hours, and I've been away too long to
know these things :P
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1983[13:36:06] <aguitel> jelly, some sites need flash to open ,
how do that?
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1984[13:36:07] <nvz> I just noticed flashplugin-nonfree doesnt
show up for me either
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1986[13:36:44] <jelly> it's there, but
"update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" does not work
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1988[13:37:38] <nvz> aguitel: browser-plugin-gnash is a free
implementation that supports older versions of flash up to version 9
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1989[13:37:47] <aguitel> is debian error or flash error ?
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1990[13:37:48] <jelly> aguitel, get tarball of flash from adobe,
unpack libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ directory
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1991[13:38:07] <forcerecon> curious.. if you are creating a raid
array and you will be using the array for stuff you are storing in
the cloud, then I don't really care if a drive dies, I can just
rebuild and get the data back from the cloud. I can use raid 0
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1992[13:38:13] <nvz> 11
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1993[13:38:27] <forcerecon> this way I maximize space get
excellent performance and again don't need to worry about data
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1997[13:38:41] <jelly> aguitel, if the downloader were in main
repo, it would be debian's error
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1998[13:38:58] <aguitel> jelly nvz ok
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1999[13:39:28] * nvz investigates the issue
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2000[13:39:58] <jelly> I'm assuming you're trying to
make firefox work. Don't know where to put the files to make
chromium work.
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2001[13:40:40] <jelly> forcerecon, sure, if you have enough
upload bandwidth to actually sync everything to the cloud
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2003[13:40:50] <nvz> jelly: there are no outstanding bugs open on
the package, they are all on old branches and closed
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2004[13:41:14] <jelly> nvz, does "update-flashplugin-nonfree
--install" work for you?
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2007[13:41:46] <nvz> jelly: as I said I don't even have the
package available
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2010[13:42:21] <jelly> it's only available for i386 and
amd64
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2011[13:42:23] <nvz> even judd says its not in stretch
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2012[13:42:28] <forcerecon> jelly: thanks.. yes I do.. all good..
thanks again
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2013[13:42:32] <nvz> ,versions flashplugin-nonfree
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2014[13:42:33] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 --
wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1;
sid/contrib: 1:3.7
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2015[13:42:54] <jelly> makes sense, because it's been
useless for months
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2016[13:43:22] <jelly> it doesn't work in jessie/i386.
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2018[13:44:18] <forcerecon> this is just a test run.. I had lots
of trouble with debian 9 on this home server.. I had to try
something else after working on it so long yesterday, so I bit the
bullet and downloaded linux mint debian edition. seems to be running
perfectly. However, what I am thinking, is that I will create the
array and the partitions will all be set, then install debian again.
This time everything will be in place and I can just pick and choose
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2019[13:44:18] <forcerecon> during installation. Hopefully that
fixes the issues I had yesterday
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2021[13:45:06] <forcerecon> array creation underway... might be
done tomorrow night some time
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2027[13:46:50] <galex-713> Hi, I have the thinkpenguin.com usb
wifi dongle (the big one with the external rf antenna) and it first
weren’t recognized, then I’ve downloaded their
htc_9271.fw (they recommand using it for debian 7 and 8 but it was
before 9 was out) and did put it in /lib/firmware and now the dongle
is recognized and I can see the wifi AP around me but can’t
connect to anyone :/
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2028[13:46:59] <galex-713> it does “configuring
interface” then disconnect
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2032[13:48:31] <nvz> dpkg, flash stretch is flashplugin-nofree
package has been broken for months and was not included in stretch.
To install manually obtain the flash plugin from
replaced-url
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2033[13:48:31] <dpkg> okay, nvz
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2035[13:49:16] <jelly> judd, file htc_9271.fw
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2036[13:49:20] <judd> Search for htc_9271.fw in stretch/amd64:
firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/htc_9271.fw
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2037[13:49:25] <nvz> dpkg flash =~ s/841373/841373. See also
<flash stretch>./
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2038[13:49:25] <dpkg> nvz: OK
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2039[13:49:37] <jelly> galex-713, install that firmware-atheros
package
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2041[13:49:52] <jelly> dpkg, tell galex-713 about non-free
sources
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2043[13:50:20] <galex-713> jelly, it is meant to work without
non-free software
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2044[13:50:33] <galex-713> and I already got it work on a
fully-free debian system
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2045[13:50:49] <jelly> galex-713, sure, but debian did not switch
to packaging the free firmware separately
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2046[13:50:51] <jelly> yet
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2048[13:51:10] <galex-713> ?
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2049[13:51:19] <galex-713> you mean firmware-atheros is free
software?
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2050[13:51:31] <jelly> no, I mean some parts of it are free.
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2051[13:51:53] <galex-713> ahhh ok
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2054[13:52:18] <galex-713> then I prefer downloading that through
the website
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2055[13:52:25] <jelly> suit yourself
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2056[13:52:30] <galex-713> instead of adding the whole non-free
repo
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2057[13:52:45] <wondiws> I've got here a simple bluetooth
keyboard that I paired with my raspberry-pi, this keyboard
doesn't have an escape key or function keys, but instead
multimedia keys. I want to remap those keys, but it seems there are
several ways of doing this
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2059[13:52:49] <galex-713> jelly, btw, why aren’t the free
stuff separated so that they’re accessible in non-free?
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2060[13:52:55] <wondiws> what is the most practical way,
y'all reckon?
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2061[13:53:07] <jelly> galex-713, don't remember
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2063[13:53:32] <jelly> there were some build issues with ath htc
stuff, I think
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2064[13:53:32] <wondiws> I'm now in the
/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols directory
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2066[13:53:49] <nvz> wondiws: that depends on your usage
entirely, triggerhappy will work globally on console and in any
desktop system
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2067[13:54:19] <jelly> galex-713, not sure how out of date this
page is:
replaced-url
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2068[13:54:26] <nvz> wondiws: it also supports moded bindings,
where you can bind the same keys to different functions in different
modes
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2069[13:54:45] <jelly> wondiws, if you're running raspbian
on it right now, the right place to ask is #raspbian channel
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2070[13:55:03] <galex-713> ok strangely http decided to stop
working
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2071[13:55:26] <wondiws> jelly, yes, but I suspect this channel
is more active, and it's not specific to raspbian. Altough
raspbian is also active, I admit that
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2074[13:55:47] <wondiws> I'll install triggerhappy first
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2075[13:56:07] <wondiws> oh, it's already installed
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2076[13:56:12] <jelly> wondiws, we do not support derivatives in
here, if anyone is interested they can freely join #raspbian
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2079[13:56:44] <wondiws> jelly, then I pair this keyboard to my
ultrabook :P
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2080[13:56:59] <jelly> if you can reproduce the issue on actual
debian (say, connect the keyboard to a pc, yes), then you'll be
free to ask here. Please don't lie, tho.
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2082[13:57:56] <wondiws> jelly, then I'll pair this
keyboard, I forgot the 'll :P
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2083[13:58:04] <wondiws> but enough of this banter
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2085[13:58:25] <wondiws> I will do my best to comply
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2086[13:58:31] <jelly> thanks
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2087[13:58:34] <botho> this page
replaced-url
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2090[13:59:09] <debianUser5939> Hello i have 3 machines
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2091[13:59:22] <botho> ah
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2092[13:59:26] <debianUser5939> computerA, computerB, computerC
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2094[13:59:33] <botho> no, the second does sell debian laptops.
the first doesn't
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2097[14:00:11] <debianUser5939> I successfully managed to mount a
resource from computerC to computerA via ssh
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2098[14:00:31] <debianUser5939> But because computerC has a very
poor arm processor, i would like to change it in SMB
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2099[14:00:37] <debianUser5939> I'm using this command:
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2100[14:00:48] <debianUser5939> ssh -f userB@systemB -L
2222:systemC:22 -N
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2102[14:00:53] <debianUser5939> sshfs -p 2222
userC@localhost:/remote/path/ /mnt/localpath/
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2104[14:01:16] <debianUser5939> what i wonder is.. can i use
instead of the second line with sshfs.. a smb mount ?
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2105[14:01:26] <debianUser5939> can you help me with the syntax ?
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2106[14:01:39] <jelly> you can to tunnel cifs protocol via ssh?
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2107[14:01:49] <jelly> s/can to/want to/
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2110[14:02:25] <jelly> debianUser5939, that won't make any
difference in CPU usage on systemB
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2111[14:02:35] <debianUser5939> jelly: and that's ok for me
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2112[14:02:47] <debianUser5939> jelly: pcA and pcB are very
powerful
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2113[14:03:16] <debianUser5939> jelly: it's pcC that is a
poor nas with arm and if it use ssh slows down everything down to
5MB/s as maximum
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2114[14:03:29] <debianUser5939> i have to transfer 4TB :\ it
takes ages
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2115[14:03:53] <debianUser5939> jelly: i think i can tunnel it
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2116[14:04:06] <debianUser5939> jelly: machines A and B are with
debian9
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2117[14:04:17] <debianUser5939> so i can access to any available
deb9 package
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2122[14:07:59] <jelly> changing to cifs tunnel won't make
ssh on systemB work any faster
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2125[14:09:36] <debianUser5939> and it's ok
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2127[14:09:43] <debianUser5939> machines A and B have 0.2 load..
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2128[14:09:53] <debianUser5939> instead machine C has 2.8 load
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2129[14:10:19] <debianUser5939> which command i can use to mount
the resource via cifs ?
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2131[14:11:42] <debianUser5939> mount -t cifs //localhost -o
username=admin,password=mypass /mnt/myshare <-- i guess that i
have to specify the port too right ?
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2133[14:12:53] <debianUser5939> hmm soo
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2134[14:13:14] <debianUser5939> ssh -f userB@systemB -L
4444:systemC:445 -N
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2135[14:13:36] <debianUser5939> mount -t cifs //localhost -o
username=admin,password=mypass,port=4444 /mnt/myshare
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2136[14:13:38] <debianUser5939> right ?
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2155[14:22:37] <debianUser5939> jelly: what is the command for
debian9 ? i think they changed something.. also smbfs doesn't
work :\
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2160[14:23:36] <jelly> debianUser5939, //localhost/share-name,
don't forget the share name
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2163[14:24:04] <debianUser5939> jelly: generally i like tho
browse via all the shares available
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2164[14:24:15] <jelly> no idea about port specification, man
mount.cifs
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2165[14:24:30] <debianUser5939> the error however is: wrong fs
type. misssing codepage or helper program
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2166[14:24:32] <jelly> debianUser5939, generally you don't
mount all shares, just one
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2167[14:24:53] <debianUser5939> it's ok but he says that i
miss the helper program or fs
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2168[14:25:07] <jelly> judd, file sbin/mount.cifs
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2169[14:25:10] <judd> Search for sbin/mount.cifs in
stretch/amd64: cifs-utils: sbin/mount.cifs
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2170[14:25:20] <jelly> debianUser5939, ^^ make sure cifs-utils is
installed
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2171[14:25:37] <debianUser5939> hmm i fear not lol
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2173[14:26:26] <debianUser5939> ok them are not installed i will
try again once them are installed
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2175[14:28:35] <cybrNaut> these steps fucked up my new debian
installation =>
replaced-url
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2176[14:29:03] <cybrNaut> now I get a boot-time loop saying
"cryptsetup (sda5_crypt): lvm is not available
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2177[14:29:41] <cybrNaut> do I have to reinstall debian from
scratch?
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2181[14:31:17] <jelly> cybrNaut, boot a livecd, see if you can
luksOpen the right partition manually
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2182[14:32:25] <cybrNaut> jelly: would it work to boot a hard
drive with my old system instead of a live CD?
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2183[14:32:45] <cybrNaut> i could attach the messed up drive to
the system I have running now
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2184[14:32:47] <galex-713> jelly, once I downloaded and did put
the new htc_9271.fw in the /lib/firmware directory, what should I do
to make it work?
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2185[14:32:50] <galex-713> reboot?
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2198[14:38:20] <galex-713> jelly, it does the same as before for
the moment :/
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2205[14:42:40] <iodev> can anyone help me with my QCA9377?
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2206[14:42:56] <iodev> I can't get it to work after I turn
on bluetooth
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2207[14:43:09] <iodev> net is slower than <0.1 Mbps
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2209[14:43:23] <iodev> (after I start using a headset speed
drops)
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2213[14:44:55] <cybrNaut> "Device /dev/sdb5 is not a valid
LUKS device."
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2217[14:45:47] <iodev> cybrNaut: corrupted?
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2218[14:45:51] <digitalboy> Hi guys, I'm wondering how to
install Debian without that 1MB alignment partition at the beginning
of the partition table..
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2219[14:46:07] <cybrNaut> cryptsetup should not be doing anything
with my /dev/sda5
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2220[14:46:18] <cybrNaut>
replaced-url
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2221[14:46:22] <cybrNaut> iodev: not sure, i followed these steps
^
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2222[14:46:27] <iodev> digitalboy: not really mbscrooge
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2225[14:47:30] <digitalboy> iodev: I don't understand,
mbscrooge? What is that?
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2226[14:47:44] <petn-randall> digitalboy: Why do you want to do
that?
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2227[14:47:47] <petn-randall> !xy problem
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2228[14:47:48] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
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2230[14:48:12] <iodev> digitalboy: a joke, if you worry about 1
MB, you sure are a cheapskate (a megabyte scrooge)
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2231[14:48:12] <digitalboy> petn-randall: Because I think
don't need it
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2234[14:48:40] <iodev> even if you don't need it, cmon! you
got at least 100000MB :D
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2235[14:49:05] <petn-randall> digitalboy: You'll need it to
embed grub into the start of the partition, and it's not that
much you're loosing on a e.g. 1 TB drive.
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2236[14:49:19] <petn-randall> iodev: not helping
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2240[14:49:47] <iodev> petn-randall: sorry
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2241[14:50:19] <digitalboy> petn-randall: Are you sure? Even with
a UEFI based firmware? I mean the firmware is looking for an ESP
partition right? vfat?
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2247[14:51:55] <petn-randall> digitalboy: In that case grub ends
up being a PE32 on the ESP. But even then you'd at most gain
less than a floppy disk worth of data, at risk of using the wrong
block alignment and risking a performance drop on I/O.
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2248[14:52:22] <petn-randall> digitalboy: So I recommend not
worrying about it and just carrying on with the installation.
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2249[14:53:13] <jelly> cybrNaut, did you tell it to do something
with your /dev/sda5? what do "lsblk" and "blkid"
say?
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2252[14:54:00] <digitalboy> petn-randall: Thank you for the
precious info, anyway do you still think that alignment would be
needed on a SSD drive?
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2265[14:58:17] <wondiws> I've never seen this before:
"sudo bash" just hangs the terminal
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2268[14:58:28] <wondiws> CTRL-C doesn't do anything either
anymore
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2273[15:01:38] <cybrNaut> jelly: lsblk shows this => ├─sdb5
8:21 0 3.9G 0 part
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2274[15:01:58] <cybrNaut> (note that it's sdb5 instead of
sda5 b/c I mounted it to my working system)
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2275[15:02:03] <jelly> cybrNaut, pastebin complete outputs,
please
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2276[15:02:19] <jelly> !paste
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2277[15:02:19] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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2282[15:03:56] <jelly> ,v firmware-ath9k-htc
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2283[15:03:57] <judd> Package: firmware-ath9k-htc on amd64 --
buster: 1.4.0-81-gf206e56+dfsg-2; sid: 1.4.0-81-gf206e56+dfsg-2
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2284[15:04:12] <petn-randall> digitalboy: Sure, SSDs also work in
block, just like rotating platters.
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2285[15:04:17] <petn-randall> *blocks
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2286[15:05:06] <z8z> nvz: i logged in to the newly created xrdp
server but i see all blue desktop with nothing in it
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2292[15:06:09] <digitalboy> petn-randall: You were right, thank
you for helping me, I've also found this PDF (by Intel) that
talks about SSD alignment:
replaced-url
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2295[15:07:09] <digitalboy> petn-randall: Sorry to bother you
again, but I have one more question (or maybe two :D)
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2296[15:07:17] <cybrNaut> jelly:
replaced-url
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2305[15:10:46] <petn-randall> digitalboy: Go ahead, just ask.
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2314[15:13:34] <cybrNaut> jelly:
replaced-url
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2315[15:13:58] <sypher> Why are we masking uuids, exactly?
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2319[15:14:31] <cybrNaut> sypher: they're not relevant to
the problem
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2322[15:14:51] <cybrNaut> /dev/sdb6: UUID="foo"
TYPE="crypto_LUKS" PARTUUID="foo" <= the type
seems to be the problem..
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2325[15:15:50] <cybrNaut> blkid reports /dev/sdb6 to be
crypto_LUKS.. how do I change that?
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2329[15:16:26] <cybrNaut> oh, sorry, that's sdb6, it's
correct
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2330[15:16:36] <jelly> cybrNaut, and why did you hide uuids?
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2331[15:16:39] <cybrNaut> i can't see what the problem is
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2333[15:16:59] <cybrNaut> jelly: they're unique, a kind of
fingerprint
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2334[15:17:06] <jelly> yeah, so?
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2335[15:17:25] <cybrNaut> iow, they identify me.. if i wanted to
be identified, my handle would be my name
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2337[15:17:39] <digitalboy> petn-randall:
replaced-url
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2338[15:17:45] <jelly> munging data makes it hard to help you
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2339[15:17:54] <sypher> cybrNaut: That's not how UUIDs work.
At all.
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2341[15:18:29] <cybrNaut> jelly: so knowing the uuid will help
you solve the problem?
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2342[15:18:55] <jelly> it will make me more confident you
didn't mess anything else in the output
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2345[15:19:14] <jelly> cybrNaut, in any case, your sdX5 does not
seem to be a luks container. Fix your /etc/crypttab and rebuild
initramfs so it does not even try to decrypt it
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2348[15:19:22] <petn-randall> digitalboy: Are you crossposting
this question somewhere?
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2350[15:19:38] <digitalboy> petn-randall: No, why you ask?
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2352[15:19:58] <petn-randall> digitalboy: Because you created a
paste with your question in it.
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2355[15:20:05] <petn-randall> digitalboy: Just install
'less' then.
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2356[15:20:09] <digitalboy> I've used the Debian paste
service because the poste was more than 2 lines
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2357[15:20:11] <cybrNaut> jelly: i already had sda5 removed from
the crypttab, but rebuilding initramfs seems to be what's
eluded me
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2360[15:20:36] <jelly> cybrNaut, use update-initramfs
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2361[15:20:40] <cybrNaut> thanks
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2362[15:21:03] <digitalboy> petn-randall: How can I install it
without an active Internet connection? Can i use dpkg when the
system is booted from the Debian USB?
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2363[15:21:19] <petn-randall> digitalboy: You can type long
messages in here, no problem. Just don't paste contents of
files in here, as the bot will kick you if you send 4 or more
messages per second.
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2364[15:21:23] <cybrNaut> can i do that on my running system and
only affect the /dev/sdbX devices?
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2365[15:21:39] <digitalboy> Mmm, I get: dpkg: not found
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2367[15:21:42] <petn-randall> digitalboy: Do you have no internet
connection at all?
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2368[15:21:45] <digitalboy> petn-randall: Oh, ok nice :)
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2370[15:22:05] <petn-randall> digitalboy: "dpkg: not
found" when you type what exactly? And where?
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2371[15:22:08] * kaboutur dances around in the room
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2372[15:22:09] <digitalboy> It is a system without a NIC (wired
or wireless)
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2373[15:22:27] <digitalboy> on the ash shell on the install
medium
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2374[15:22:36] <digitalboy> When trying to install Debian on the
target system
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2375[15:22:57] <greycat> If you're trying to administer your
Debian installation from rescue media, the second step is generally
to mount the installed Debian system and chroot into it.
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2376[15:22:57] <petn-randall> digitalboy: Yeah, that won't
work. I thought you're working with an already installed
system.
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2378[15:23:48] <digitalboy> petn-randall: Sadly no :( I've
forget to tell you, sorry for the confusion :(
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2381[15:25:39] <jelly> cybrNaut, mount your debian filesystem,
bind-mount /dev and /proc and /sys into it, chroot into it, and then
do update-initramfs ...
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2386[15:26:35] <jelly> digitalboy, you can install the base
system from the installer, that's what it's for.
Afterwards you'll have dpkg and apt-get present inside that
fresh installation
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2395[15:29:04] <digitalboy> jelly: Ok, but how can I use the
"fdisk" tool effectively on the Debian install medium
(bootable USB stick)? At the moment fdisk is unable to display the
hex codes for the partition types because "less" is
missing from the install media and if I can't install less
because dpkg is missing how can I solve the issue?
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2397[15:29:35] <digitalboy> jelly: Do you think that the DVD
version of Debian contains the "less" program?
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2398[15:29:37] <greycat> The installer has a guided partitioning
step that you can use.
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2399[15:29:55] <jelly> digitalboy, no idea, probably
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2400[15:30:09] <greycat> Why are you typing fdisk|less if you
know that less is missing?
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2401[15:30:25] <digitalboy> greycat: Yeah but I like the idea of
further "customize" my system
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2403[15:30:38] <greycat> Just get the base system INSTALLED, and
then you can customize it to your heart's content.
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2407[15:31:13] <digitalboy> greycat: I'm not typing fdisk |
less, I think that the fdisk program calls "less" when
trying to display the hex partition types with the "L"
command
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2409[15:31:28] <jelly> digitalboy, that's a bug then
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2410[15:31:30] <greycat> Then don't type the "L"
command.
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2418[15:32:46] <jelly> digitalboy, perhaps there's parted or
gdisk or cfdisk available instead of fdisk.
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2419[15:32:46] <greycat> The installer is a notoriously poor
rescue medium. It's missing a lot of the commands that people
would want to use during a rescue operation.
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2423[15:33:55] <jelly> digitalboy, are you going for MBR or GPT
format?
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2426[15:34:16] <digitalboy> jelly: Understood :)
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2427[15:34:20] <mertyildiran> How can I specify a configuration
like "install all Depends automatically" in Debian control
file?
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2428[15:34:21] <jelly> gpt. So parted or gdisk.
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2429[15:34:39] <digitalboy> greycat: Ok, maybe I should
"prepare" the disk with another Linux flavour and then
fire the Debian installer :)
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2430[15:34:50] <digitalboy> jelly: GPT on UEFI system
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2431[15:34:54] <jelly> mertyildiran, anything you list in Depends
is always installed automatically.
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2433[15:34:58] <greycat> Are you really unable to get the disk
partitioned the way you want, using the Debian installer?
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2434[15:34:59] <jelly> if needed
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2435[15:35:08] <jelly> (if it's not installed already)
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2438[15:36:44] <mertyildiran> jelly: But it says "Package
python-nltk is not installed." python-nltk listed in Depends:
in control file. I'm installing the package with sudo dpkg -i
mypackage.deb
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2441[15:37:23] <jelly> mertyildiran, that's dpkg's
problem, not a problem in your package. Run "apt-get -f
install" after that.
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2442[15:37:28] <greycat> If you manually install with dpkg -i,
try adding --force-depends and then doing apt-get -f install,
afterward.
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2443[15:37:41] <mertyildiran> jelly: it's not automatically
installing. This is the control file (replaced-url
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2445[15:37:54] <greycat> mertyildiran: dpkg -i does not bring in
dependencies. apt-get does.
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2446[15:38:06] <digitalboy> jelly: I'm currently using this
install media "debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" but
neither gdisk and parted are present :( only fdisk
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2447[15:38:10] <jelly> mertyildiran, show the complete commands
and output of your "dpkg -i ....deb; apt-get -f install"
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2448[15:38:14] <jelly> !paste
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2449[15:38:14] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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2452[15:38:31] <digitalboy> jelly: Maybe I can customize the
install ISO and manually add gdisk and parted?
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2454[15:38:45] <digitalboy> Or other needed programs
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2455[15:38:49] <greycat> People are god damned NUTS.
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2457[15:39:07] <mertyildiran> jelly: greycat hmm so there is no
way to install force automatic install on dpkg. Thank you guys :)
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2458[15:39:12] <cybrNaut> jelly: thanks.. btw, i did
"update-initramfs -u" (assuming -u is appropriate) and I
had to bind mount /boot since it's a separate partition
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2461[15:39:22] <cybrNaut> will try booting now.. brb
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2462[15:39:26] <jelly> mertyildiran, dpkg is a low-level tool. It
does not even know about repos.
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2464[15:39:51] <jelly> digitalboy, or use a better
livecd/liveusb.
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2465[15:39:58] <jelly> grml.org is not bad.
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2467[15:40:10] <mertyildiran> jelly: greycat by the way
"apt-get -y install" seems not working in preinst. What is
the actual reason?
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2468[15:40:13] <greycat> Or just use the built-in partitioning
step of the installer.
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2469[15:40:23] <digitalboy> jelly: Ok, I'll follow your
advice, thank you for the help guys, have a nice day :)
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2470[15:40:26] <mertyildiran> Is it prevented by some kind of
mechanism?
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2471[15:40:42] <jelly> mertyildiran, you can't use dpkg or
apt inside installation scripts
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2473[15:40:57] <jelly> because at that point dpkg is already
running
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2474[15:41:15] <jelly> (and it keeps a lock file)
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2475[15:41:20] <digitalboy> greycat: I would like to use it but
it won't allow me to specify only the partition I want, it
always creates that 1MB alignment partition
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2477[15:41:28] <greycat> ....
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2478[15:41:29] <greycat> ....
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2479[15:41:32] <greycat> *plonk*
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2480[15:41:39] <jelly> digitalboy, so let it create that, and
delete it after installation?
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2481[15:41:39] <mertyildiran> jelly: OK I understand now. That
was reason of lock error, thank you so much!
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2483[15:42:14] <digitalboy> jelly: Ok but then can I move
"to the left" the other partitions?
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2484[15:42:21] <jelly> digitalboy, no.
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2485[15:42:25] <digitalboy> jelly: Eh..
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2489[15:43:15] <jelly> digitalboy, this is intentional to keep
compatibility space for boot loader right at the beginning if the
disk.
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2493[15:43:54] <digitalboy> jelly: Yeah, petn-randall told me
that :)
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2494[15:44:08] <jelly> even if UEFI doesn't strictly need
it, machine that has both MBR bios and UEFI wouldn't be able to
boot off this disk in legacy MBR mode
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2496[15:44:44] <jelly> having bcakward compat options is useful,
you never know what might break to force you to use it
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2498[15:45:18] <jelly> and if you need 1MiB extra space, maybe
consider buying a larger disk
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2500[15:45:27] <digitalboy> jelly: Understood, in my case I have
a "pure" UEFI machine so I prefer to partition the disk
that way :) Thank you again for the help, I'm downloading grml
right now :)
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2502[15:45:34] <digitalboy> jelly: Ahah :D
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2504[15:45:59] <jelly> in short, making this work is way more
trouble than it's worth
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2506[15:46:35] <petn-randall> digitalboy: You've probably
wasted more disk space with these IRC logs than you'll ever
gain by shifting the disk alignment.
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2507[15:47:12] <jelly> digitalboy, if you really care about using
as much space as possible, boot off a usb stick or SD card and
don't partition the disk _at all_, use the whole disk for LVM
or a single filesystem
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2508[15:47:17] <LordENKI> :) backup your irclogs to tape
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2509[15:47:21] <digitalboy> petn-randall: that is surely true :D
but the knowledge gained is worth it :)
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2513[15:47:39] <greycat> Iomega ZIP disks!
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2514[15:47:47] <LordENKI> No those only have 100mb
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2515[15:47:48] <jelly> click of death
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2516[15:47:55] <LordENKI> Tape is still used
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2517[15:47:56] <digitalboy> jelly: I don't care about disk
space, I only like the possibility of customizing the system before
and during the installation
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2518[15:48:07] <LordENKI> For backup tape is perfect.... Who
trusts the cloud?
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2519[15:48:21] <LordENKI> And backing up to disks? How is this
for reliability
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2520[15:48:28] <jelly> tape is prohibitively expensive
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2523[15:48:51] <petn-randall> digitalboy: There are better ways
to customize? It'll only cause more trouble in the long run.
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2524[15:49:03] <jelly> LordENKI, sata disks are cheaper than LTO
tape until about 100TB of data
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2525[15:49:04] <LordENKI> but tape is soo expensive. New tech
allows drive up to storage between 150-200tb iirc
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2529[15:49:49] <LordENKI> the 2tb lto4/6 go for $1500..$2000
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2530[15:49:49] <petn-randall> jelly: LTO really is cheaper at
some point?
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2531[15:49:51] <LordENKI> yet i want one
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2533[15:49:58] <jelly> LordENKI, where
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2535[15:50:17] <LordENKI> jelly: netherlands. i can check for
exact prices if you want , this is just an estimate
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2537[15:50:31] <theseb> what are options to put linux on a new
Windows laptop w/o risking
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2538[15:50:32] <theseb> b0rking the Windows drive?
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2539[15:50:48] <jelly> I'll buy two LTO6 drives for $2k
right now
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2540[15:50:57] <greycat> Backup the Windows partition, then
shrink it.
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2542[15:51:22] <jelly> last time I looked, LTO5 was starting at
$5000
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2543[15:51:22] <tremolo> theseb: Buy another hard drive, swap it
in and install Linux.
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2545[15:51:36] <LordENKI> jelly: you're absolutely right.
disks are m ultra cheap for large dumps and backups
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2548[15:51:57] <LordENKI> jelly: but rotating disks looks a bit
silly to me personally :)
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2549[15:52:04] <theseb> hmmm...shrinking Windows partitition
sounds dangerous no?
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2551[15:52:20] <theseb> i could buy a 2nd drive but this one is a
nice SSD..guess i should suck it up
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2552[15:52:25] <greycat> theseb: I've done it many times
(albeit not recently on a laptop)
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2553[15:52:26] <LordENKI> I actually have storage containers for
3.5" and 2.5 " disks , plastic storage containers for that
purpose
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2556[15:53:00] <tremolo> Could also put Linux in a VM on Windows,
depending on use case.
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2557[15:53:07] <theseb> greycat: not only much you shrink the
partition but then you need to pray you can switch to grub w/o
b0rking the Windows no?
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2563[15:53:55] <LordENKI> yet i have almost no storage , nothing
here beyond a default install. wise tactics .. It's just the
geeky thing of wanting to have a LTO6 streamer and wanting to have a
20tb raid NAS
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2564[15:54:26] <LordENKI> back to debtalk
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2566[15:54:35] <jelly> petn-randall, yes, -> #debian-offtopic
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2569[15:55:30] <cybrNaut> jelly: you fixed the problem.. thanks.
wish I could tell you where to send the invoice, but I live in
mom's basement
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2572[15:57:33] <cybrNaut> i did have to do 2 iterations of
"update-initramfs -u", once in chroot and once after a
real boot
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2574[15:57:41] <jelly> cybrNaut, help provided here in the public
channel is free, thanks anyway
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2576[15:58:04] <jelly> yeah, that's the safest thing to do
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2577[15:58:24] <LordENKI> there's always bitcoins.......
till the big 1th August dipslide
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2578[15:58:34] <jelly> cybrNaut, if you didn't have a livecd
to boot off, you'd have to /msg dpkg initramfs debug
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2581[15:58:59] <jelly> LordENKI, we have #debian-offtopic for
chat that is not tech support
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2599[16:04:42] <nvz> I just added a line in
/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh on stretch with systemd, can I expect this
to be run on boot and not be reverted or ignored?
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2600[16:05:08] <jelly> !tias
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2601[16:05:08] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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2602[16:05:32] <nvz> fair enough.. /me does an init 6
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2603[16:05:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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2614[16:09:54] <nvz> well the answer is, it ignored bootmisc.sh
which previously was ran at the end of the boot sequence in other
versions of debian
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2616[16:10:52] <petn-randall> nvz: Guess you know the answer now.
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2619[16:11:58] <nvz> I certainly do
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2626[16:14:43] <nvz> so how do I make a new "unit" is
this just create a script /etc/init.d/myscript and systemctl
myscript enable ?
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2639[16:19:16] <jelly> nvz, if you're doing a sysvinit
script, it absolutely needs to have the lsb header stuff to work
with systemd
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2640[16:20:15] <jelly> before doing enable, you also need a
"systemctl daemon-reload" so it rereads any changes (or a
reboot)
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2641[16:20:17] <nvz> jelly: yes I am familiar with the header
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2648[16:22:01] <nvz> jelly: so this deamon-reload just reads all
the scripts in /etc/init.d/ ? because I noticed it doesnt take
arguments
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2650[16:24:00] <jelly> it rereads every piece of systemd config
it can find
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2651[16:24:22] <jelly> that includes unit generators for sysv
init scripts
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2670[16:32:43] <nvz> so the main system stuff is in
/lib/systemd/system/ and user stuff in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ then?
so the fact that I just accidentally pressed the wrong key and
overwrote /etc/init.d/ssh I was using to make a header template to
save typing the whole header, doesn't matter anymore, I can
just delete that right? Because the packages are all using these new
files not the old sysvinit files?
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2674[16:34:03] <nvz> I gather this because when I did apt-get
--reinstall install openssh-server it didn't replace the file
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2684[16:36:22] <DebianUser89457> jelly: I installed the cifs
utils but seems that i can't do the job :\
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2687[16:37:59] <petn-randall> nvz: If you delete config files,
dpkg will remember that and *not* create them again on
reinstallation.
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2688[16:38:13] <greycat> !confmiss
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2689[16:38:13] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging
system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is
assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o
DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall
$packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the
package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about
<ucf confmiss>.
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2693[16:39:12] <petn-randall> That's the factoid I just
looked up, heh :)
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2696[16:39:49] <petn-randall> nvz: custom unit files go to
/etc/systemd/system/ and override any default ones provided.
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2698[16:40:06] <nvz> yes I didn't delete it I modified it,
much like I've modified my sshd_config. It asked about
sshd_config and I told it to leave it alone because I've
disabled passwords and pam and root logins but it didnt ask at all
about /etc/init.d/ssh so I figured it was just a remanent from
jessie
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2700[16:41:13] <nvz> basically I'm asking if I even need an
/etc/init.d/ssh file anymore or if I can just delete it since I
mucked it up
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2702[16:41:53] <nvz> it seems to me like this systemd has these
unit files and the /etc/init.d scripts arent necessary
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2704[16:42:29] <Ke> it's not always the case strictly
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2706[16:43:05] <Ke> in general yes, /etc/init.d is nothing
special to systemd, but unit files can use init scripts
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2707[16:43:31] <nvz> well the way I understand things is that if
I modified a file that the package installs it should have asked me,
so the fact that it didn't suggested to me that openssh-server
no longer needs that file and the only reason I had one was because
I upgraded from jessie
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2709[16:43:50] <greycat> That's not quite right. In the
*absence* of a unit file, systemd will use /etc/init.d/* scripts as
poor substitutes.
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2710[16:44:02] <greycat> Like with apache2 on jessie.
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2711[16:44:14] <Ke> if you have well-maintained system, you can
run aptitude purge ~c
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2712[16:44:26] <Ke> which may remove some of the cruft problems
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2713[16:44:44] <greycat> arc3:~# systemctl status apache2
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2714[16:44:44] <greycat> ● apache2.service - LSB: Apache2 web
server
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2715[16:44:44] <greycat> Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/apache2)
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2716[16:44:48] <teraflops> nvz: why deleting it? the file uses 4K
of space…
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2721[16:45:27] <teraflops> greycat: stretch ships a proper
systemd unit file for apache
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2722[16:45:31] <petn-randall> nvz: Just because it didn't
ask to overwrite that file on reinstallation doesn't mean
it's not used. I think you have a misconception of how
conffiles are supposed to work.
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2723[16:45:36] <nvz> teraflops: yes well in this case I'm
trying out my training wheels by just trying to run some commands at
boot using an old sysv init script with systemd, and in the process
I fudged up /etc/init.d/ssh by pressing save instead of save as
after I yanked out everything but the header portion
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2724[16:45:52] <greycat> Yeah, but that was a jessie system up
there. Showing that systemd will directly use /etc/init.d/apache2 in
the absence of a proper unti file.
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2726[16:46:10] <teraflops> greycat: yeah, I agree
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2727[16:46:42] <nvz> so the script is at best case now useless,
and at worst case going to break ssh
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2732[16:47:47] <teraflops> nvz: I dont think so, but I woudnt
bother myself for a 4k plaintext file
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2734[16:48:02] <teraflops> wouldn't^
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2735[16:48:13] <nvz> I'm not at all concerned about the
f'n size of the file, I hosed it.. its no longer what it was
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2736[16:48:17] <nvz> heh
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2739[16:48:22] <teraflops> yeah :P
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2742[16:48:45] <nvz> I just am concerned leaving it there when
its screwed up will break something
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2746[16:49:09] <hicks__> pull a copy back from a backup or
uninstall, reinstall ssh to get it back to normal?
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2747[16:49:19] <teraflops> iirc by default debian uses the socket
unit
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2748[16:49:30] <mertyildiran> How can I add a system tray icon to
my Debian package?
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2750[16:50:15] <nvz> hicks__: yes as I just discussed that
didn't do anything but warn me that the file was not LSB
compliant
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2751[16:50:16] <teraflops> hmm, maybe creating a proper .desktop
file?
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2753[16:50:27] <mertyildiran> For example .desktop file adding an
icon to programs. Just like that how can I add a system tray icon?
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2754[16:50:40] <hicks__> nvz: did you try a purge uninstall?
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2755[16:50:44] <teraflops> mertyildiran: yeah .desktop file
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2756[16:50:53] <nvz> hicks__: I dont want to purge, I want to
keep my sshd_config
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2758[16:50:58] <mertyildiran> teraflops: what's the
configuration for system tray icon?
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2759[16:51:00] <hicks__> make a copy first
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2760[16:51:06] <teraflops> mertyildiran: just define the icon
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2761[16:51:06] <hicks__> purge, reinstall, copy back
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2762[16:51:14] <mertyildiran> teraflops: I couldn't find a
guide/tutorial
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2763[16:51:21] <hicks__> or dig out a copy of the ssh file from
another debian install maybe?
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2764[16:51:23] <teraflops> mertyildiran: the path that's it
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2765[16:52:03] <teraflops> mertyildiran: take a look at
/usr/share/applications
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2766[16:52:09] <mertyildiran> teraflops: I already did (replaced-url
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2767[16:52:11] <nvz> hicks__: the whole point here everyone seems
to have missed is I've been asking if I even need the damn
file. I know how to do all the stuff you just suggested
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2768[16:52:35] <hicks__> I have no idea if you need it, but if
it's that easy to restore, seems no need to worry about whether
it's needed or not
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2769[16:52:43] <mertyildiran> teraflops: I'm talking about
"system tray icons" (imagine the bottom left icons in
Windows)
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2770[16:52:45] <teraflops> mertyildiran: Icon=
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2771[16:52:50] <hicks__> I would guess that file provides
defaults for sshing out?
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2772[16:52:54] <hicks__> as a client?
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2773[16:52:59] <teraflops> mertyildiran: yeah it does not matter
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2775[16:53:04] <teraflops> is uses same icon
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2776[16:53:04] <hicks__> oh nm init.d
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2778[16:53:22] <nvz> hicks__: if it were that easy to restore it
should have said the same thing it said when it detected my
sshd_config was changed is my point
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2779[16:53:27] <mertyildiran> teraflops: when my application is
opened, I can't see an icon in system tray.
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2780[16:53:31] <teraflops> nvz: I dont think --purge delete files
at ~/
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2781[16:53:40] <greycat> teraflops: correct, it will not
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2783[16:53:46] <nvz> teraflops: sshd_config is in /etc/
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2784[16:53:52] <hicks__> it's not in ~/ it's in
/etc/init.d
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2785[16:53:54] <teraflops> mertyildiran: set Icon= inside the
desktop file?
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2787[16:54:11] <mertyildiran> teraflops: it's not about just
adding Icon=. There is more...
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2788[16:54:22] <hicks__> but a plain reinstall may not touch a
modified file ? so you'd have to move it out the way or purge
uninstall first as a guess
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2789[16:54:33] <mertyildiran> teraflops: there is already look
->
replaced-url
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2790[16:54:41] <hicks__> if you want to leave it alone assuming
it's not needed, then I can't offer much advice on that,
no idea if it is or not
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2791[16:54:47] <teraflops> nvz: yeah, sure
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2792[16:54:58] <hicks__> but if it were me, I'd try the
purge/reinstall or pull a copy from another install or backu
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2793[16:54:58] <hicks__> p
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2794[16:55:32] <teraflops> mertyildiran: set the full path or put
the icon in the right place I think
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2795[16:55:38] <nvz> the consensus seems to be nobody knows so
I'll just figure it out :P
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2798[16:56:24] <teraflops> mertyildiran: also maybe you need to
update icon cache
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2799[16:57:00] <teraflops> idk tbh, but things like
gtk-update-icon-cache do exists
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2811[17:00:41] <mertyildiran> teraflops: OK it turns out
it's completely Python related task (replaced-url
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2813[17:01:45] <nvz> fwiw the --purge and reinstall did put the
/etc/init.d/ssh back but a reinstall did not prompt to overwrite
when it was modified
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2822[17:03:23] <nvz> afaik it should have done so
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2828[17:06:20] <jelly> nvz, you may want to read /msg dpkg
confnew and /msg dpkg confmiss and related stuffs if you want to
avoid purging next time
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2829[17:07:12] <jhutchins_wk> nvz: purge should remove old config
files, so there's no overwrite when installing new defaults.
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2830[17:07:20] <teraflops> mertyildiran: well you have a clue now
:)
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2885[17:38:13] <savumies> Should I be aware of some specific
details before upgrading a debian server from jessie to stretch?
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2886[17:38:39] <greycat> I've generally tried to consolidate
everything I know on
replaced-url
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2899[17:40:10] <greycat> Most servers will probably go smoothly.
The main issues we see tend to be on desktops/laptops.
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2908[17:42:19] <savumies> ok. Thank you
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2913[17:44:32] <MarkL> Hi guys, I use Jessie debian, do you know
until when it is supported by debian bacause is an old stable
version? Another question is: I use Debian on a laptop of 10 years
ago more or less but still very good, do you think there is really
worth to switch to the new stable debian version? I use it for
mainly browse internet, and few other basic things. thanks
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2919[17:44:55] <greycat> Full support for one year after
stretch's release, so 11 more months of that. LTS support after
that.
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2920[17:44:58] <petn-randall> !jessie lts
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2921[17:45:05] <neilthereildeil> hey guys. chrome is not working
for me on Debian
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2922[17:45:25] <neilthereildeil> every page says aww snap.
something went wrong
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2923[17:45:28] <petn-randall> huh, don't have that factoid
yet.
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2924[17:45:37] <mxh-> neilthereildeil: you got internet
connection i assume?
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2925[17:45:43] <mxh-> neilthereildeil: ping google.com works
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2926[17:45:44] <neilthereildeil> no, firefox works
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2927[17:45:46] <mxh-> ok
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2928[17:45:52] <neilthereildeil> im on IRC from the same machine
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2929[17:45:56] <MarkL> greycat, thanks
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2930[17:46:07] <petn-randall> MarkL: What greycat said. It might
be that jessie LTS won't support browsers though, so you might
be forced to upgrade at this point.
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2931[17:46:09] <neilthereildeil> i just ran apt-get upgrade
chromium
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2934[17:46:26] <neilthereildeil> but i still get this error
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2935[17:46:29] <neilthereildeil> i think its a bug?
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2936[17:46:30] <petn-randall> neilthereildeil: chrome or
chromium? It's not the same.
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2937[17:46:33] <neilthereildeil> has anyone else seen this?
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2938[17:46:34] <greycat> that's not a valid command.
"upgrade" doesn't take pkg name arguments.
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2939[17:46:36] <neilthereildeil> oh?
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2940[17:46:44] <tremolo> proxy settings? Don't suppose it
says what went wrong?
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2941[17:46:46] <humbobo> kneelthere
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2942[17:47:03] <neilthereildeil> petn-randall: whats the
difference? isnt it to google browser?
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2943[17:47:05] <mxh-> neilthereildeil: if nothing else, empty
cache and delete cookies/plugin data
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2944[17:47:10] <mxh-> petn-randall: last step disable all plugins
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2945[17:47:22] <greycat> Chromium is an open-source browser based
on Google-chrome, which is closed source.
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2946[17:47:28] <MarkL> petn-randall, are you talking of the
browser support after 11 months from now? or maybe is now jet
outdated?
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2947[17:47:57] <mxh-> actually neilthereildeil try running it in
private mode and access a site
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2948[17:48:02] <MarkL> yet*
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2950[17:48:27] <th0r> MarkL: I upgraded to stretch and ended up
reinstalling jessie. Too many things either weren't there any
more, or quit working
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2952[17:48:28] <petn-randall> MarkL: I'm talking about in
about 11 months. jessie still gets regular (full) security support
at the moment.
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2953[17:48:40] <petn-randall> th0r: Such as?
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2956[17:49:41] <MarkL> petn-randall, thanks
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2957[17:49:43] <th0r> well....they dumped alsa and pushed pulse,
so I couldn't get audio control in the panel in xfce. The xfce
mixer is no longer in the package. ifconfig wasn't there,
dumped for ip. There are more...but why bother?
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2959[17:49:53] <Mad7Scientist> Does anyone know why when I ssh
from Gentoo to Debian than when I use vim my screen gets corrupted?
It's just regular xterm on Gentoo
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2960[17:50:07] <greycat> If you upgraded, ifconfig (net-tools)
would still be there.
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2961[17:50:08] <Mad7Scientist> shift page up doesn't work in
xterm either
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2962[17:50:39] <Mad7Scientist> Why not replace ifconfig which
dumps the proper ip command to use after running ifconfig?
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2963[17:50:52] <Mad7Scientist> replace it with an ifconfig that
dumps
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2964[17:50:55] <greycat> huh
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2966[17:51:09] <Mad7Scientist> That would be an interesting
learning tool!
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2968[17:51:26] <greycat> It would break systems that still
actively USE ifconfig.
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2969[17:51:32] <petn-randall> th0r: ifconfig is still there. ALSA
is still there, since pulseaudio is sitting on top of that. And xfce
has a pulseaudio mixer.
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2970[17:51:49] <greycat> The only thing that changed is
net-tools's priority got reduced, so it's not installed by
default on NEW installs.
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2971[17:51:53] <Mad7Scientist> doesn't not having ifconfig
break them too?
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2972[17:51:57] <Mad7Scientist> I see
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2973[17:52:01] <greycat> If you upgraded, you will still have
net-tools.
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2975[17:53:06] <th0r> petn-randall: yes, and when I installed
alsa and removed pulse (which improved the audio on my old laptop a
LOT) I lost the panel applet in xfce. Every time I wanted to adjust
the volume I had to open up alsamixer. Ifconfig has to be fetched
after install...it wasn't there with the default xfce install.
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2980[17:53:43] <th0r> petn-randall: but it wasn't my
intention to start a big discussion about all this. I just wanted to
let MarkL know he might want to consider sticking with what is
working
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2981[17:53:45] <greycat> This sounds like you reinstalled instead
of upgrading.
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2986[17:54:43] <MarkL> If I would like to try another linux
distro which would you advice to me? Anyway I am happy with Debian
for my desktop use, anyway there is some few problems due to my low
knowledge of it, Ubuntu is good for me but I really don't rely
on them so much and I have got some problems on the stability with
Ubuntu, so I would not use it.
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2989[17:55:34] <somiaj> MarkL: this channel is for debian
support, not 'other linux distro suggestions', maybe try
##linux
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2993[17:56:46] <MarkL> th0r, thanks
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2994[17:56:54] <MarkL> somiaj, ok thanks
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2999[17:59:03] <petn-randall> th0r: How can you remove ALSA?
It's baked into the standard Debian kernel. pulseaudio
doesn't work without it.
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3004[17:59:52] <greycat> Near as I can tell, pulseaudio is a
userspace daemon that sits on top of ALSA, the same way esd used to.
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3011[18:01:58] <z8z> Hello, why in 2017 setting up a remote
desktop must be so difficult in Debian? xD
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3013[18:02:29] <greycat> What do you, specifically, mean by
"remote desktop"? XDMCP?
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3014[18:02:52] <z8z> I mean either xrdp or vnc
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3016[18:03:16] <th0r> petn-randall: that was my understanding as
well. I have used alsa for years and every time I installed pulse I
ran into problems. When I uninstalled pulse from stretch I lost
audio, and had to install alsa to get it back. If it was already
there, I assumed apt would tell me, but maybe I was mistaken.
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3017[18:03:20] <neilthereildeil> petn-randall: how can i install
google chrome?
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3022[18:04:25] <th0r> petn-randall: like I said...I didn't
bring it up to start a debate. I run debian not to get the bleeding
edge stuff, but because I don't want to keep working at getting
updates to run. I will stick with jessie...lts is fine with me. (I
know...the next release of the software is going to solve ALL the
world's problems)
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3023[18:04:39] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3024[18:04:43] <mxh-> z8z: while i have not tried, this seems
very straightforward
replaced-url
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3025[18:05:15] <neilthereildeil> i dontloaded the chrom deb from
google website, but im getting dep install errors
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3026[18:05:19] <greycat> Once you install the google-chrome .deb
file, it adds a new apt source (in sources.list.d) so you can keep
it updated.
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3029[18:05:38] <mxh-> z8z: it's "make startup script,
make service of that, enable that service"
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3030[18:05:39] <neilthereildeil> google-chrome-stable depends on
libc6 (>= 2.15); however: Version of libc6:amd64 on system is
2.13-38+deb7u12
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3031[18:05:40] <greycat> If it's just dependencies, use
apt-get -f install
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3032[18:06:02] <greycat> neilthereildeil: you're on wheezy?
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3034[18:06:19] <neilthereildeil> 7.11
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3036[18:06:28] <neilthereildeil> im gonna upgrade soon
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3037[18:06:30] <greycat> I ... kinda doubt google-chrome is
interested in supporting wheezy (oldoldstable).
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3038[18:06:39] <petn-randall> ,v libc6
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3039[18:06:40] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie:
2.19-18+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch: 2.24-11;
stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; buster: 2.24-12; sid: 2.24-12
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3040[18:06:51] <z8z> mxh-: ok will try thanks... hope i
don't need to spend 1 day hacking down operating system just to
set up a remote desktop :D
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3041[18:07:03] <petn-randall> neilthereildeil: I'm not even
sure your desktop still gets security support.
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3042[18:07:10] <neilthereildeil> yea i do
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3044[18:07:14] <neilthereildeil> just installed them
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3045[18:07:23] <neilthereildeil> how would i install thesde deps?
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3047[18:07:34] <neilthereildeil> still apt-get -f install?
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3048[18:07:35] <greycat> neilthereildeil: you do't.
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3049[18:07:48] <petn-randall> neilthereildeil: If Google
doesn't provide packages for wheezy, you're stuck and need
to upgrade.
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3050[18:07:53] <greycat> If it wants a newer libc6, that means
you upgrade the OS or you forget it.
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3051[18:08:01] <neilthereildeil> ah ok
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3053[18:08:46] <mxh-> z8z: nah making systemd service seems
daunting but it's really not
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3065[18:12:58] <warai_otoko> Hello!
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3066[18:13:09] <DebianUser89457> hello
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3067[18:13:11] <DebianUser89457> just a question
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3068[18:13:14] <DebianUser89457> is NFS reliable ?
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3069[18:13:22] <DebianUser89457> i mean instead of use sshfs in a
lan fashion
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3070[18:13:32] <DebianUser89457> i have to move 8 TB of data
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3071[18:13:37] <warai_otoko> I tried hard to get openVPN and
Mullvad to run on Debian 8.8 with LXDE
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3072[18:13:39] <DebianUser89457> use sshfs caps me to 20MB/s
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3075[18:14:02] <warai_otoko> I see wifi icon with a keylock
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3077[18:14:15] <warai_otoko> openVPN is running too
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3079[18:14:40] <warai_otoko> but I can't use Internet,
browsers and ping don't work
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3080[18:14:48] <warai_otoko> what am I missing??
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3081[18:15:13] <warai_otoko> also, I got 2 tun interfaces, tun0
and tun1. Why?
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3084[18:16:36] <th0r> warai_otoko: I have seen two tun interfaces
once in a while. It happens when I invoke openvpn, but forgot that I
already had it running.
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3086[18:17:58] <warai_otoko> @th0r: I installed/uninstalled
openvpn several times. Both tun seem standard here. I don't get
it
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3089[18:18:40] <warai_otoko> also, is there a standard firewall
which needs to be configured for openVPN? if so, how?
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3090[18:18:55] <th0r> warai_otoko: you don't have to
uninstall it. just 'sudo killall openvpn' and they should
both go away. and firewall is a separate thing from vpn
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3093[18:19:32] <th0r> warai_otoko: how are you starting the vpn?
You might have inadvertently called the script twice, or invoked
from two different scripts.
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3094[18:19:33] <warai_otoko> @th0r: well, it's running, all
green
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3095[18:19:40] <warai_otoko> why kill it?
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3096[18:20:01] <th0r> warai_otoko: I thought you said it
wasn't working, and you have two tun's. If that is what
you want....no problem
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3097[18:20:31] <warai_otoko> how can I debug this thing? Console
and NetworkManager show all is good and running which just
isn't the case
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3098[18:20:47] <warai_otoko> I don't need tun1
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3100[18:20:56] <warai_otoko> that's what I meant
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3102[18:21:15] <teraflops> warai_otoko: the lxde and mullvad bits
are not clear
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3103[18:21:16] <petn-randall> warai_otoko: "it's
running, all green". Define "it".
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3106[18:21:56] <warai_otoko> systemctl list-units | grep vpn
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3109[18:22:09] <warai_otoko> loaded active running
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3111[18:22:26] <teraflops> warai_otoko: standard way of debugging
vpn this should be pinging the gateway by ip
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3112[18:22:28] <warai_otoko> that's the status here, looks
good to me...
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3114[18:23:30] <warai_otoko> systemctl status openvpn: all green
(active, exited)
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3117[18:24:24] <teraflops> warai_otoko: try harder...
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3121[18:25:11] <warai_otoko> @th0r: ?
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3123[18:25:40] <warai_otoko> I got another box here with Kali,
same problem:
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3124[18:25:47] <th0r> warai_otoko: you know what my suggestion
is. Shut down both tun's, start just one, and try pinging there
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3126[18:26:15] <warai_otoko> next reboot both tuns will be there
again
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3128[18:26:44] <th0r> warai_otoko: no....don't reboot.
Jeez....pay some attention
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3129[18:27:30] <th0r> warai_otoko: I suspect you are starting two
instances, by mistake, but ... so shut them down with killall,
invoke one on a command line, and see if the problems disappear
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3130[18:28:23] <warai_otoko> @th0r: let's try it your way,
worth a try. Hold on a sec...
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3135[18:29:36] <teraflops> warai_otoko: btw th0r is not channel
operator and this is not twitter ;)
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3137[18:30:21] <warai_otoko> @teraflops: thank you, this is very
kind
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3138[18:30:42] <th0r> warai_otoko: it isn't necessarily a
good idea to try starting the vpn at boot. Bring up the network and
then start the vpn, either via network manager or a script. I use
scripts, had problems getting network mangler to do openvpn
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3140[18:31:18] <warai_otoko> okay: 1) ping my gateway,
unreachable
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3141[18:32:00] <th0r> warai_otoko: with just one tun? you CAN
ping it without the vpn, right? with no tun
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3144[18:32:17] <warai_otoko> wait pls...
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3148[18:32:50] <warai_otoko> iwconfig shows both tuns, as
expected
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3149[18:33:05] <th0r> warai_otoko: how did you start the vpn this
time?
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3150[18:33:10] <warai_otoko> shutting down now as th0r
suggested...
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3152[18:34:04] <warai_otoko> OK, killall openvpn, no VPN anymore.
Now?
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3154[18:34:35] <th0r> warai_otoko: can you ping the gateway? And
again...are you using the local gateway? try pinging google.
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3156[18:34:56] <th0r> warai_otoko: 'ping google.com'
and make sure you can get it without the vpn.
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3157[18:34:57] <warai_otoko> ping works, wifi working
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3159[18:35:35] <th0r> warai_otoko: then you can invoke the vpn
with a command like...."sudo openvpn --daemon --cd /etc/openvpn
--config 'east.ovpn'". make sure your .ovpn is in
/etc/openvpn
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3160[18:35:50] <teraflops> warai_otoko: explaining your setup in
detail would help. including config files on server and client side
(if they contain sensible data edit them prior sending them to a
pastebin site)
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3161[18:36:00] <warai_otoko> no, Mullvad uses .conf files...
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3162[18:36:23] <teraflops> idk what mullvad is
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3163[18:36:31] <teraflops> ,v mullvad
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3164[18:36:32] <judd> No package named 'mullvad' was
found in amd64.
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3166[18:36:47] <warai_otoko> @teraflops: GIYF, Mullvad too
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3168[18:37:04] <th0r> mullvad is a vpn service
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3169[18:37:34] <teraflops> is it a paid one?
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3170[18:37:40] <warai_otoko> jep
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3171[18:37:55] <teraflops> then I suppose they offer support too
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3172[18:38:05] * petn-randall guesses the same.
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3173[18:38:37] <warai_otoko> it's no problem with my VPN
provider:
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3175[18:39:02] <warai_otoko> all my Androids and my laptop work
flawlessly
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3176[18:39:03] <teraflops> oh well, then where's the
problem?
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3179[18:39:15] <warai_otoko> Debian is the problem
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3180[18:39:23] <teraflops> then consider not using it
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3181[18:39:31] <warai_otoko> the box here is PowerPC
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3182[18:39:37] <th0r> wouldn't want to just fix it
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3183[18:39:44] <warai_otoko> the other a AMD64 laptop
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3185[18:40:08] <warai_otoko> both use distributions with Debian
as their base
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3186[18:40:21] <warai_otoko> one with LXDE and one with KDE
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3189[18:40:26] <petn-randall> warai_otoko: What distro are they
really then?
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3194[18:40:40] <warai_otoko> no connection possible over more
than a few minutes
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3195[18:41:02] <warai_otoko> Kali & Red Ribbon
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3196[18:41:19] <teraflops> so youre having problems with a 3rd
party vpn service (not debian related) running non debian systems?
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3197[18:41:45] <petn-randall> warai_otoko: Then ask in their
support channels. We don't support derivatives in here for a
number of technical and social reasons.
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3198[18:41:49] <petn-randall> !based on
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3199[18:41:49] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
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3200[18:42:23] <warai_otoko> it's Debian 8.8
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3201[18:42:27] <teraflops> warai_otoko: and it tooks like 20
minutes getting such sensible information...
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3203[18:42:56] <warai_otoko> serious??
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3208[18:43:13] <teraflops> of course I am
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3209[18:43:22] <greycat> warai_otoko: no, it was 30 minutes.
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3210[18:43:27] <warai_otoko> then go FY
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3211[18:43:35] <petn-randall> Fank you?
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3214[18:43:55] <Bsadowski1> Hmm, it *was* mentioned when he
joined,
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3215[18:43:57] <discovered> hi
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3216[18:44:08] <teraflops> Bsadowski1: what was mentioned
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3217[18:44:10] <Bsadowski1> <warai_otoko> I tried hard to
get openVPN and Mullvad to run on Debian 8.8 with LXDE
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3218[18:44:21] <discovered> I have 32GB RAM. How much swap should
i create?
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3219[18:44:36] <petn-randall> Bsadowski1: Well, they lied.
It's Kali and Red Ribbon, both two entirely different distros.
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3221[18:44:42] <teraflops> Bsadowski1: that wasnt accurate
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3222[18:44:44] <discovered> Debian automatically created 34 GB
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3224[18:44:51] <Bsadowski1> oh :P
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3225[18:45:00] <FinalX> discovered: depends on what you use your
system for, but in most cases you don't really need a big swap
at all
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3227[18:45:32] <petn-randall> discovered: If you want to suspend
to disk it should be a little larger than the amount of RAM you
have.
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3229[18:45:54] <discovered> 300 GB SSD for debian, 32 GB RAM.
creating 34 GB swap on ssd is a lot. How much it should be?
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3230[18:45:59] <FinalX> petn-randall: that used to be the cast,
but in more recent versions it can also suspend to disk to a file on
your normal filesystem iirc
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3231[18:46:10] <FinalX> case*
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3232[18:46:32] <discovered> I i see
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3234[18:46:54] <FinalX> on servers it's not necessary at all
as you won't be doing that
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3264[19:07:10] <digitalboy> How can I disable the GRUB2 Debian
theme?
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3266[19:07:45] <debroooo> I can't find a way to add write
permission for myself when mounting a partition. Any help please? I
usually just use `sudo mount /dev/sd6 /media/sda6` and then I keep
using sudo for editing the partition files. But I need to use rsync
through ssh to copy a few files so I need the permissions for my own
account.
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3269[19:07:59] <greycat> What KIND of file system is it? Unix or
Windows?
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3270[19:08:55] <debroooo> greycat: ext4
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3273[19:09:23] <greycat> Then the permissions are *inside* the
file system. You have to do chown/chmod/chgrp on the files after
mounting.
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3274[19:09:50] <greycat> There isn't any "mount this
but fudge all the permissions to make me king of the universe"
option for Unix file systems like there is for Windows file systems.
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3281[19:12:09] <debroooo> greycat: Thanks. I don't have a
good understanding of file systems unfortunately.
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3285[19:13:36] <Guest95518> how do install wine in the new kali
linux thou
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3287[19:14:48] <nvz> Guest95518: this is #debian, #kali is what
you are looking for
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3288[19:14:59] <Guest95518> sorry
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3306[19:19:46] <cusco> hey... if I add a ip host in /etc/hosts,
shouldn't the O.S. avoid dns lookups to the nameserver in
resolv.conf ?
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3314[19:25:40] <epsilon> yes
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3320[19:28:49] <sypher> Not always.
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3322[19:29:11] <sypher> But in general, that is true.
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3323[19:29:26] <greycat> Depends on the program. Some of them use
nsswitch and will therefore do what you want. Others just do a
straight DNS lookup without even trying anything else.
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3332[19:36:26] <cusco> yes I checked /etc/nsswitch.conf and it
states: hosts: files dns
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3333[19:36:49] <greycat> Right, and programs like ping respect
that, but programs like dig don't.
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3334[19:37:16] <debroooo> Thanks again greycat. `sudo mount
/dev/sda6 /media/sda6 && sudo chmod o+w /media/sda6` works
like a charm!
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3335[19:37:26] <cusco> however, we just installed pihole.. some
web ui on top of dnsmasq .. as a dns server, and I'm seeing
requests for hostnames in the /etc/hosts from this machine
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3337[19:37:44] <cusco> this magine runs some network monitoring
thingie that uses fping and snmwalk and others
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3367[19:50:02] <testser> test
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3373[19:51:55] <teraflops> [OK]
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3388[19:55:36] <astartoth> Hi all. I'm having a problem with
kaccounts-providers. It isn't showing me my google account.
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3389[19:56:08] <astartoth> What is it that I have to install in
order to get kaccounts-integration to work?
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3404[19:59:54] <forcerecon> why chrome? too later nvm
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3408[20:00:43] <Lyberta> do I need to create a new user for
ecryptfs-migrate-home?
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