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• 3[00:00:33] <Azrael_-> Devastator: thanks, but currently i don't really care much wether i get 7 or 7.1 running
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• 7[00:00:55] <Devastator> Azrael_- yes, I understand
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• 9[00:01:54] <Devastator> Azrael_- both have the same dependencies: libtidy-dev and libzip-dev
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• 11[00:02:35] <Azrael_-> the most important thing why i just LOVE debian: as soon as you got it running you don't need much effort to keep it running for a long time
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• 14[00:03:38] <Devastator> Azrael_- yes, this thing is pretty stable
• 15[00:03:38] <Putonlalla> I wish the same was true of hardware.
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• 17[00:03:54] <ecksun> what could be the reason for apt showing an older version of a package (samba) than what packages.debian.org shows?
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• 23[00:05:06] <Devastator> ecksun did you run apt-get update first?
• 24[00:05:09] <ecksun> yes
• 25[00:05:10] <ecksun> it seems like I'm not getting the updates from security.debian.org
• 26[00:05:22] <Devastator> which release are you running?
• 27[00:05:26] <ecksun> stable, jessie
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• 29[00:05:55] <ecksun> packages.debian.org lists the version I'm seeing as the lastest in stable, but a newer one (..u4) in security
• 30[00:05:55] <Devastator> have you checked sources.list to see if you have jessie or stable?
• 31[00:06:05] <ecksun> jessie
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• 35[00:09:29] <Devastator> odd..
• 36[00:10:42] <ecksun> yes, indeed
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• 38[00:10:57] <Devastator> ecksun can you pastebin the output of apt-get update?
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• 41[00:11:13] <ecksun> I'm normally using apt, but yes
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• 44[00:11:54] <ecksun> replaced-url
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• 46[00:12:26] <ecksun> I'm trying to manually look at the package list, replaced-url
• 47[00:12:29] <VentGrey> weird
• 48[00:12:48] <ecksun> my sources.list for reference: replaced-url
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• 50[00:13:29] <VentGrey> ever tried the httpredir?
• 51[00:13:48] <ecksun> I dont know what that is
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• 54[00:15:01] <Devastator> ecksun can you pastebin your sources.list as well? thanks
• 55[00:15:04] <Devastator> opss
• 56[00:15:05] <Devastator> :)
• 57[00:15:06] <ecksun> :)
• 58[00:15:19] <Azrael_-> i think i'll go for dotdeb before using sid-src and compiling the packages myself. like this i have the option to get automatic updates and don't have to always recompile the packages myself for an update
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• 62[00:16:38] <Devastator> Azrael_- ok, just for you to know:
• 63[00:16:40] <Devastator> !dotdeb
• 64[00:16:40] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 66[00:17:49] <VentGrey> The httpredir is a special "tweak" for apt that selects the fastest mirror for you based on ping time and other stuff
• 67[00:17:54] <VentGrey> pretty handy if you ask me
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• 70[00:18:44] <Devastator> Azrael_- you might want to try deb.sury.org
• 71[00:18:59] <Azrael_-> !dotdeb alternatives
• 72[00:18:59] <dpkg> Software from <dotdeb> historically had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now have updates in backports.debian.org, ask me about <bdo> or for php possibly <deb.sury.org>; to remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'".
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• 77[00:19:52] <ecksun> VentGrey, ah, right, yeah, I have previously used the swedish university sites (being in sweden), they have plenty of bandwith :P
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• 79[00:21:12] <VentGrey> xD gotta love 3000kbps downloads
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• 81[00:21:27] <edi> hi
• 82[00:21:44] <edi> i'm having a fkn weird problem, i rent a cloud-vm with debian on it
• 83[00:21:50] <edi> it had some problems today
• 84[00:21:58] <tdn> Where does the hostname come from in a file like this: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf:ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=a719a7a5:93fd065c:171425f3:8950de3d name=syrah:0 If I change hostname of the server, do I need to change this? Or can I even change it without breaking my mdadm raid array?
• 85[00:21:59] <edi> and after a reboot, the root passwd aint working no more
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• 87[00:22:12] <ecksun> VentGrey, yeah, if I only got 3 MB/s I would start looking at changing my sources.list
• 88[00:22:22] <edi> but I'mpositive that I use the right one, as I have it saved with ansible too
• 89[00:22:32] <edi> so I could quadripple check it
• 90[00:22:44] <ecksun> but, do you guys have any idea why I'm not seeing the latest version of the samba package?
• 91[00:22:48] <edi> but it doens't work no more, and as far I can remember I didn't change it
• 92[00:22:49] <VentGrey> @ecksun yeah :c my house connection is 4MB/s download
• 93[00:22:54] <petn-randall> edi: Take it up with your cloud provider, we can't change the password for you.
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• 96[00:23:10] <ecksun> VentGrey, ah, then I guess thats quite alright :)
• 97[00:23:14] <edi> petn-randall, I'm just wondering if there could be an explanation for it
• 98[00:23:17] <Azrael_-> Devastator: thanks again, really a perfect source for information. sury seems to be even better
• 99[00:23:18] <ecksun> hold on, apt and apt-cache shows different results
• 100[00:23:22] <petn-randall> edi: Nope
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• 103[00:23:47] <edi> mmmh oke then
• 104[00:24:15] <edi> too bad
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• 106[00:25:23] <Devastator> Azrael_- glad we found a useful solution :)
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• 108[00:26:06] <ecksun> is it possible to let apt show me why it chooses a particular version of a package?
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• 110[00:26:40] <petn-randall> ecksun: 'apt-cache policy <package>'
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• 112[00:27:16] <ecksun> aha! I know whats going on, apparently I have a file called /etc/apt/preferences.d/apt-listbugs that pins the version
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• 115[00:29:04] <ecksun> would it be safe to just remove that file?
• 116[00:29:36] <ecksun> nvm, google to the rescue
• 117[00:30:21] <ecksun> thanks everyone for the help, that seems to have been the problem (must have fudged something last time I upgraded)
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• 151[00:49:23] <VentGrey> Debian desktop team seems interesting
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• 153[00:49:43] <VentGrey> Maybe we could get to the point where people stops using ubuntu and uses us so we dominate the world
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• 161[00:52:39] <edi> ughl , ubuntu
• 162[00:52:40] <edi> :p
• 163[00:52:45] <petn-randall> VentGrey: World domination is planned for Christmas.
• 164[00:52:57] <petn-randall> VentGrey: We haven't decided which year, though.
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• 167[00:53:06] <edi> just head today that microsoft bought cannonical or smth
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• 169[00:53:20] <edi> don't know the details really
• 170[00:53:22] <petn-randall> edi: You mean on April 1st?
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• 172[00:53:32] <edi> keep forgetting it's april 1st
• 173[00:53:37] <edi> ;-)
• 174[00:53:47] <edi> like my root pass
• 175[00:53:51] <edi> :P
• 176[00:54:12] <edi> can you reset it for me?
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• 313[02:22:32] <VentGrey> Anyone here is participating in Debian desktop team?
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• 315[02:23:25] <bazhang> whats the actual question VentGrey
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• 317[02:23:59] <VentGrey> Is it alive?
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• 319[02:24:18] <VentGrey> im interested in joining but I cannot seem to find any recent activity
• 320[02:24:23] <bazhang> VentGrey, did you have a debian support issue?
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• 322[02:24:59] <VentGrey> not atm
• 323[02:25:17] <n44> am I alive?
• 324[02:25:37] <bazhang> n44, are you using debian
• 325[02:25:40] <SpeakerToMeat> Ok, I'm trying to build a package from sarge on jessie, the only troublesome dependency is python 3.6, now I have python 3.6 via pyenv, but the build system in the package is using cmake and it seems it won't find my pyenv version, will I have to change the control files for the package to send wathever define (if any) will tell cmake to search python on my pyenv dir?
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• 327[02:25:55] <n44> I am alive.
• 328[02:26:01] <Epakai> VentGrey: check out #debian-desktop on OFTC network
• 329[02:26:03] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: sarge? YOu mean stretch?
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• 331[02:26:34] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: you're right, stretch
• 332[02:26:52] <VentGrey> ooh thanks :D @Epakai
• 333[02:27:46] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: if it depends on a python not in jessie, you most likely won't be able to build a jessie package in a nice way. Is this a python libary you could just install inside your virtual enviorment?
• 334[02:28:28] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: nope
• 335[02:28:43] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: Why can't I make it use my pyenv python?
• 336[02:29:05] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: packages are installed in the system, so they will need to use the system python which you don't want to change.
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• 340[02:30:12] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: Hmm shoving 3.6 on the system manually would be big... I'll try hackign rules though I'm the onyl user who will use this...
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• 343[02:32:54] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: you don't really want to change the systemp python, and since you are wanting to make this a package, that gets installed on the system so I don't think you can use your python virtual enviorment
• 344[02:33:40] <somiaj> you may just want to wait for stretch to use this software. If it is something that is python only you could just install it inside the virtual enviroment, but don't use the package manager for that
• 345[02:33:50] <somiaj> (at least I cannot think of a way to mix system packages with a python virtual enviroment
• 346[02:34:27] <SpeakerToMeat> hmm
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• 348[02:34:57] <themill> SpeakerToMeat: python 3.6 isn't in stretch either
• 349[02:35:07] <themill> (meaning there won't be a dependency on it)
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• 351[02:35:29] <SpeakerToMeat> themill: Interesting, yet cmake wants 3.6..... let me see where that's defined.
• 352[02:35:34] <newcoder> supertux{p} supertux-data{u} what is {p} and {u} here?
• 353[02:35:40] <SpeakerToMeat> themill: this projects wants it I mean
• 354[02:36:30] <themill> which package is this?
• 355[02:36:46] <newcoder> aptitude purge remove supertux
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• 359[02:37:59] <SpeakerToMeat> themill: hugin .... it seems it might have to do with my pyenv, it's using pyversions and seems that's causing the trouble
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• 361[02:39:16] <SpeakerToMeat> themill: Bingo, changed local to system and it's using that version without troubles
• 362[02:39:18] <themill> SpeakerToMeat: I can see no relationship between hugin and python
• 363[02:39:25] <SpeakerToMeat> themill: Thanks for your comment.
• 364[02:39:38] <SpeakerToMeat> themill: Eh it's in the build deps so it must be used in the build process somehow
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• 366[02:39:53] <somiaj> so the build can detect the python virtual enviroment but not use it?
• 367[02:40:07] <themill> ah, I missed dh-python
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• 370[02:41:03] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: It seems so, yuppers or at least detect one of the tools provided by the env but not get all the necessary data (include dir, lib dir etc), it seems to be using the FindPythonLibs cmake module
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• 389[02:50:04] <newcoder> How can I remove unnecessary files or tmp files to free some space? Any command?
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• 391[02:50:21] <somiaj> apt-get clean will remove all the .debs taht were downloaded to install stuff
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• 396[02:51:57] <VentGrey> apt-get is kinda old
• 397[02:52:02] <VentGrey> why not just apt?
• 398[02:53:14] <somiaj> newcoder: as for unecessary files, you can use deborphan to look for unused libaries, but for the most part things stay fairly clean. stuff in $HOME can build up and is independent of the system, you can manually clean some of that up, you can remove unused packages (but make sure you know they aren't being used), and old logs, though those are compressed and usually don't take up much space
• 399[02:53:23] <somiaj> VentGrey: apt-get works just fine, one could also use apttiude
• 400[02:53:40] <somiaj> but mostly apt-get out of reflex, I don't use apt that often due to that
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• 402[02:54:26] <VentGrey> seems legit
• 403[02:54:41] <LiuYan> newcoder: i would like to use 'ncdu' (TUI) or 'mate-disk-usage-analyzer' (GUI).
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• 415[03:00:00] <newcoder> Which font to install to get unicode support in terminals?
• 416[03:00:23] <SpeakerToMeat> I use ncdu weekly
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• 418[03:01:39] <somiaj> you shouldn't need to install a font, what locale are you using? or what is the output of locales
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• 420[03:02:04] <newcoder> Is there any unicode font for linux to install?
• 421[03:02:10] <newcoder> en_US.UTF-8
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• 425[03:02:47] <newcoder> VentGrey: Is apt a replacement of apt-get?
• 426[03:03:04] <VentGrey> it is the same
• 427[03:03:20] <VentGrey> not like aptitude
• 428[03:03:26] <newcoder> They how/why is apt-get old?
• 429[03:03:31] <newcoder> if they are same
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• 431[03:04:24] <somiaj> newcoder: apt has combined the functionality of apt-get, apt-cache and a few other things called apt. apt-get works just fine, but apt is the more modern replacement. They are both part of the apt package
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• 552[04:36:27] <wolfmitchell> Is there a date for when Stretch will be marked as stable? I know it's already frozen, so it may as well be stable, but I was just wondering on when stretch will be moved to stable from testing
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• 554[04:37:22] <awal1> wolfmitchell, before the end of 2017 :P
• 555[04:37:54] <wolfmitchell> Ah, ok. Was wondering since company I'm working for wants selinux and I saw it was available in Stretch, but they also want to stick with stable...
• 556[04:38:01] <wolfmitchell> so I'll just tell them to pick one or the other there
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• 564[04:39:51] <awal1> wolfmitchell, I was just kidding. no body really knows. but maybe in May
• 565[04:39:57] <wolfmitchell> ah, ok
• 566[04:40:01] <awal1> it's a matter of rc bugs
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• 568[04:40:12] <wolfmitchell> well, looks like I'm just waiting for stretch to get selinux set up
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• 570[04:41:48] <awal1> wolfmitchell, replaced-url
• 571[04:43:23] <wolfmitchell> replaced-url
• 572[04:43:26] <awal1> when "Number concerning the next release" is 0 or almost 0 Stretch will be released as stable
• 573[04:43:32] <AlexLikeRock> GNUs
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• 934[07:53:02] <buu> This is an odd question but I have a deb box with two network cards, A and B; A is connected to the switch but has no IP, B has a static IP but isn't plugged into anything
• 935[07:53:10] <buu> How come I can ping the box as the IP assigned to B
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• 967[08:26:34] <somiaj> buu: ping from what the maching that set the static ip? In that case you are just pinging your network card
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• 970[08:29:23] <buu> somiaj: from a random other computer on the lan
• 971[08:29:37] <buu> pc -> switch -> card A -> Card B
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• 975[08:32:14] <somiaj> you might have a route set up between those two cards, or they are on the same network.
• 976[08:32:34] <somiaj> there is ##networking, I don't know the details there to much
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• 1019[09:05:26] <jelly> shock_: where did you put them? What does iptables-save say? Which debian release is this? Is this a VPS container, full VM, or a physical machine (do you have control of the kernel)?
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• 1021[09:05:32] <jelly> !ask
• 1022[09:05:33] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1025[09:08:03] <choice> Hello! Is there a command to see which processes used the most cpu time during the last 5 minutes?
• 1026[09:08:04] <shock_> thanks jelly - I managed to fix it by rebooting as I only used the rule temporarily
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• 1038[09:15:36] <jelly> choice: not by default, you have to install a tool that enables process accounting and keeps track of it, like atop, or perhaps something from acct or sysstat package
• 1039[09:16:01] <choice> jelly: Interesting. Isn't top able to do it?
• 1040[09:16:40] <choice> jelly: I tried "top -b -n 1 -d 30" to get a 30 second snapshot. But it seems always do the first output immediately.
• 1041[09:18:18] <jelly> top doesn't track processes that get created, do their thing, and die, between sampling intervals
• 1042[09:18:34] <jelly> or at least it did not use to, maybe it got fixed
• 1043[09:19:07] <choice> I see. I don't think I have such processes. It's a typical LAMP server. Linux+Apache+MySql+PHP
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• 1046[09:20:58] <choice> Would "top -b -n 2 -d 30" and then throwing away the first output be a solution?
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• 1053[09:24:00] <choice> I wonder what the "%CPU" output of "ps" means. During which time was the process using that amount of cpu?
• 1054[09:24:13] <jelly> maybe. I don't consider top a reliable instrument tho.
• 1055[09:25:38] <choice> Oh, I see it in the man page. "CPU time used divided by the time the process has been running"
• 1056[09:25:45] <choice> That's not what I need.
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• 1058[09:27:17] <jelly> choice: apache creates and destroys children process rather often, depending on the chosen worker mode. php-fpm (or other fastcgi methods) does that as well.
• 1059[09:28:16] <jelly> I'd recommend using atop, unless you know better
• 1060[09:28:55] <choice> I don't like deamons much. I would prefer a script that runs for a while and then exits.
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• 1062[09:30:05] <choice> Since the cpu time each process used is available, it should be possible to write such a script.
• 1063[09:30:26] <choice> But I have the feeling top already does that. So maybe top is sufficient.
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• 1069[09:36:19] <choice> Jesus, irqbalance is eating up 10% of my CPUs and 38% of my memory?
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• 1080[09:41:58] <choice> How can I check which version of irqbalance I am running?
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• 1082[09:44:00] <jelly> dpkg -s packagename, or dpkg -l packagename
• 1083[09:44:01] <dpkg> There is no record of a packagename, or dpkg -l packagename package
• 1084[09:44:08] <jelly> dpkg: hush
• 1085[09:44:08] <dpkg> Fine, I'll shut up.
• 1086[09:44:19] <nkuttler> or program --version or somesuch
• 1087[09:44:31] <choice> Thanks. 1.0.6-3
• 1088[09:44:34] <choice> I wonder why irqbalance is eating up 10% of my CPUs and 38% of my memory.
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• 1090[09:44:54] <jelly> it's very unlikely irqbalance is eating that much RES
• 1091[09:45:05] <jelly> unless perhaps you have a 64MB container
• 1092[09:45:27] <choice> According to top it is. And the net is full of reports that irqbalance has a memory leak.
• 1093[09:45:30] <choice> container?
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• 1095[09:45:55] <choice> Looks lik it's fixed in 1.1.0-2: replaced-url
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• 1098[09:46:18] <choice> But I have no idea how I would go about updating it.
• 1099[09:46:19] <jelly> choice: which debian release is this?
• 1100[09:46:23] <choice> jelly: 8
• 1101[09:46:28] <jelly> ,v irqbalance
• 1102[09:46:29] <judd> Package: irqbalance on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.3-3; wheezy-backports: 1.0.6-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.6-3; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.6-3+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.1.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0-2.3; sid: 1.1.0-2.3
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• 1104[09:47:05] <choice> Maybe I shut disable it or periodically restart it?
• 1105[09:47:11] <choice> How do you restart irqbalance?
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• 1107[09:48:39] <jelly> choice: before that, can you pastebin: cat /proc/$(pgrep irqbalance)/status
• 1108[09:49:23] <choice> jelly: If you guarantee me that there is no privte data in that, yes.
• 1109[09:49:25] <jelly> use pidof if you don't have pgrep, or just put its PID in /proc/234324/status
• 1110[09:49:38] <jelly> choice: look at the output before pasting.
• 1111[09:50:08] <choice> Well, it's hard to say if one of those numbers/strings is sensitive.
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• 1113[09:50:37] <jelly> you'll just have to trust me, some random person on irc, then
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• 1116[09:50:48] <choice> Yup, I do.
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• 1118[09:50:59] <jelly> NO WARRANTY
• 1119[09:51:31] <choice> Here we go: replaced-url
• 1120[09:52:07] <jelly> oh that IS a bit leaky
• 1121[09:52:21] <jelly> 700MB RSS
• 1122[09:52:52] <choice> What is "RSS"? Memory that resides in Ram?
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• 1124[09:53:34] <jelly> something like that yes
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• 1126[09:54:03] <choice> VmSwap: 3282056 kB
• 1127[09:54:08] <choice> That sounds evil too :)
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• 1129[09:54:25] <choice> How do I restart that monster?
• 1130[09:54:37] <jelly> just like any other service
• 1131[09:54:50] <choice> Since Debian 8 I have no clue anymore how to restart stuff.
• 1132[09:54:59] <jelly> service irqbalance restart
• 1133[09:54:59] <choice> Before, it was like "apache restart"
• 1134[09:55:04] <choice> Now I don't know.
• 1135[09:55:10] <choice> ok
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• 1138[09:55:50] <choice> VmRSS: 1744 kB / VmSwap: 0 kB
• 1139[09:55:57] <choice> That looks better
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• 1142[09:56:07] <jelly> compare the output of "free" command before and after
• 1143[09:56:28] <choice> too late to see what it was before.
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• 1145[09:57:12] <choice> Now free looks like this: replaced-url
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• 1148[09:59:08] <jelly> if you don't know how to manage services, perhaps it'd be good to read about it replaced-url
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• 1150[10:00:32] <choice> Well, I just learned it from you :)
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• 1152[10:00:43] <jelly> choice: why do you have 16GB swap space
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• 1154[10:01:03] <choice> Do I? I usually set up 10 GB.
• 1155[10:01:28] <jelly> if that were the case you'd still get "why do you have 10GB"
• 1156[10:01:38] <choice> No idea why I set up 16 on this machine. I probably set up this machine years ago.
• 1157[10:01:49] <choice> Can I somehow see when I created the partitions on the machine?
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• 1159[10:02:21] <jelly> probably not, tho you can perhaps see creation time of filesystems
• 1160[10:02:26] <choice> And how big would you make the swap partition?
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• 1162[10:02:38] <choice> How do I see the creation date of the filesystems?
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• 1167[10:03:36] <jelly> if it's ext3 or ext4 type, dumpe2fs -h /dev/device/node
• 1168[10:04:13] <jelly> one of the output lines should show something like
• 1169[10:04:16] <jelly> Filesystem created: Wed Sep 16 18:47:29 2015
• 1170[10:04:22] <choice> "device/node"?
• 1171[10:04:40] <jelly> use the right device path for that filesystem
• 1172[10:04:52] <jelly> see "df" or "mount" output
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• 1174[10:05:34] <jelly> /dev/md3 <-- device node 194177 94289 89652 52% /boot <- mount point
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• 1176[10:06:44] <choice> Still not sure what you mean.
• 1177[10:07:06] <choice> is "device" in your command to be replaced with something?
• 1178[10:07:14] <choice> is "node" to be replaced with something?
• 1179[10:07:18] <choice> Or just one of them?
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• 1181[10:09:59] <choice> Well, I just tried "dumpe2fs -h /dev/theBlockDeviceIuseForRoo" and it says it's 2 years old.
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• 1183[10:10:22] <choice> That's in line with the oldest files I see when looking around in /.
• 1184[10:10:35] <choice> So how big would you make swap?
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• 1187[10:16:10] <jelly> choice: if this were a laptop and you wanted hibernation to work, then equal to RAM size or so. If it was a server, not more than 1-2GB
• 1188[10:16:32] <choice> It's a server. How would more swap hurt?
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• 1190[10:17:23] <jelly> active swap usage makes processes very slow
• 1191[10:17:56] <choice> I never see the machine swap. Why would swapping start earlier if there is more swap space?
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• 1193[10:18:26] <jelly> if you never see it swap, that just means you don't need that much of it
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• 1195[10:18:47] <choice> I have way more free space on the disk, so it does not hurt.
• 1196[10:19:40] <jelly> it will only hurt in abnormal situations if there's RAM pressure, making them slightly worse
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• 1199[10:20:08] <choice> Never encountered those I guess.
• 1200[10:20:38] <choice> The abnormal situations I encountered (100s of thousands of users due to press) resulted in my network being saturated.
• 1201[10:20:44] <choice> The machine itself went on fine.
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• 1203[10:21:28] <jelly> if you have, say, 1GB swap, and a process starts eating up RAM, it will die much sooner than if kernel has 16GB swap to put memory pages out to
• 1204[10:21:29] <choice> It had super high load... like 30 or so. But it kept answering http requests :)
• 1205[10:22:08] <jelly> (dying much sooner is a good thing)
• 1206[10:22:18] <choice> I see. Well, I will wait until I encounter such situation. And then I will think of what I learned from you.
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• 1209[10:23:12] <jelly> no, then you will think about solving it, and you'll push the little reset button because it becomes the fastest way to get out of such a situation
• 1210[10:24:14] <jelly> but perhaps setting up alerts for, say, 25% swap use would be a better idea in the meantime
• 1211[10:24:25] <choice> Yes. I mean I will think of you as in "This is what jelly meant".
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• 1213[10:24:41] <choice> Ad I said, I'm not a big fan of deamons.
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• 1218[10:26:29] <jelly> if you're not, become a fan of monitoring and reporting
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• 1220[10:27:58] <choice> Thanks for all the info! I'm no going for a walk!
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• 1300[11:14:39] <mender27> Morning everyone! :)
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• 1308[11:27:59] <tdn> What does mdadm use the hostname for? I notice it is part of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf: "ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=a719a7a5:93fd065c:171425f3:8950de3d name=syrah:0" If I change hostname of the server, do I need to change this? Or can I even change it without breaking my mdadm raid array?
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• 1340[11:45:31] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 1344[11:48:40] <Azrael_-> i need some help understanding how to work with systemctl. as far as i understand i can enable/disable a service completely with mask/unmask. but if i just use enable/disable it, what exactly is the behaviour?
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• 1346[11:49:57] <rudi_s> Azrael_-: It places a symlink in /etc/systemd/system to start it on boot. Normally you don't need mask/unmask, however you can still start a non-masked service with systemctl start $service; to prevent that use mask.
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• 1350[11:51:03] <Azrael_-> so if i just use "disable" the service won't be started during the boot but i can still start it manually?
• 1351[11:51:35] <rudi_s> Azrael_-: Yes.
• 1352[11:51:46] <Azrael_-> great, thanks
• 1353[11:51:50] <rudi_s> np
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• 1356[11:52:19] <Azrael_-> where is it managed what service is being started at what run-level?
• 1357[11:54:22] <rudi_s> Azrael_-: Through the symlinks in /etc/systemd/system and subdirectories.
• 1358[11:54:46] <rudi_s> There are no run-levels in systemd. It uses targets for different boot stages.
• 1359[11:55:26] <somiaj> Azrael_-: note some services are started with hooks or sockets, disable will not stop these from being started by a hook.
• 1360[11:55:46] <Azrael_-> thx
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• 1366[11:59:12] <somiaj> Azrael_-: There is also mask and unmask for services, if a service is masked it won't be started by scokets.
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• 1390[12:18:25] <olf-folks> i would like to report a sucessfull install of debian on an IBM 600X
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• 1396[12:27:57] <bodom> Hi there! I need to partially automate updates for a bunch of apt-based systems. Does anybody knows about some APT API?
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• 1407[12:31:48] <dutchfish> bodom, well, there already tools for that like puppet. You could also delve in the source, which is on a git replaced-url
• 1408[12:32:34] <dutchfish> bodom, there are a bunch of tools relying on this btw, take that in mind.
• 1409[12:32:49] <bodom> dutchfish: ty
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• 1412[12:35:02] <dutchfish> bodom, you can as well delve into this source replaced-url
• 1413[12:35:39] <dutchfish> bodom, no need to reinvent the wheel ;)
• 1414[12:36:48] <at0m> and mssh, to send commands to multiple machines at once
• 1415[12:37:13] <bodom> dutchfish: yep, I'm having a look at it to see if it fits my needs
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• 1417[12:38:29] <bodom> but form a first look, it just looks too complicated
• 1418[12:39:03] <dutchfish> bodom, it aint, doing your own api would be far more complex.
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• 1421[12:39:53] <dutchfish> s/api/api implementation
• 1422[12:40:46] <bodom> dutchfish: i meant, it has a too complex architecture. It requires its daemon, config, etc...
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• 1424[12:41:08] <bodom> but ty for your hint anyway: it was worth a look indeed
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• 1428[12:42:05] <dutchfish> bodom, well, you can roll your own, but i highly recommend to setup a puppet envirenment and test it first.
• 1429[12:42:15] <bodom> at0m: on the other side, mssh is too simple instead :P
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• 1431[12:42:41] <bodom> dutchfish: yep, the point is i need something that just works without having to setup anything :)
• 1432[12:43:16] <dutchfish> bodom, the devil is always in the details ;)
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• 1435[12:46:10] <dutchfish> bodom, puppet at least prevents most of the graving security mistakes you can make with building your own system.
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• 1439[12:51:21] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 1444[12:53:03] <Azrael_-> i'm using dpkg-reconfigure on a linux-console. i am connected by ssh. currently the borders of the gui are shown as ";10m". can you give me a clue how to configure everything right in order to get the display correct?
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• 1451[12:56:06] <bodom> dutchfish: it surely does, but it does not fit my needs
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• 1453[12:56:30] <bodom> so i'll have to live with the risk :)
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• 1457[12:58:37] <buu> Azrael_-: ;10m is a terminal display code
• 1458[12:58:52] <buu> uh
• 1459[12:58:54] <buu> screencap?
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• 1476[13:09:25] <olf-folks> how to trubbleshoot sound not working
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• 1478[13:09:49] <somiaj> !alsa checklist
• 1479[13:09:49] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
• 1480[13:09:54] <Azrael_-> buu: replaced-url
• 1481[13:09:59] <olf-folks> i have done somethings i found on the internet like alsamixer and adding my self to the audio group
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• 1484[13:11:47] <buu> Azrael_-: that's your termcap or similar
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• 1486[13:12:31] <olf-folks> somiaj: i just tried aplay /usr/share/sound/alsa/Noise.wav could not hear anything
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• 1490[13:13:13] <Azrael_-> buu: mind to explain, i'm not really familiar with it
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• 1495[13:14:39] <buu> Azrael_-: what terminal emulator are you using?
• 1496[13:14:44] <Azrael_-> securecrt
• 1497[13:15:15] <buu> oh
• 1498[13:15:17] <buu> huh
• 1499[13:15:35] <buu> Azrael_-: do you see the same issue with putty?
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• 1503[13:16:30] <olf-folks> somiaj: i also just checked and i dont have any package with oss4, how to check if pulseaudio daemon is stopped
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• 1505[13:17:21] <Azrael_-> just installing some other packages, dpkg is locked, so i have to wait until the installation is finished
• 1506[13:17:27] <buu> also what is $TERM set to?
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• 1508[13:17:57] <Azrael_-> $TERM is set to "linux". i also already tried "xterm" without any luck
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• 1522[13:24:51] <Azrael_-> buu: thanks, after switching to xterm and restarting the session it works just fine
• 1523[13:25:30] <buu> huh
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• 1542[13:38:57] <BallsyDulphins> hi. can i kill a process i have disowned without having root user access?
• 1543[13:39:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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• 1546[13:41:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> BallsyDulphins, as long as it's still running as your user, sure
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• 1550[13:44:33] <BallsyDulphins> Eduard_Munteanu: hi. im not using linux often. i dont even know if its still running. i tried killall node. and then restarted.. but it seems the port it tries to listen to is stil in use by another process. so.. how can i find out what process listens to port x?
• 1551[13:44:58] <abrotman> fuser -n tcp <portnum>
• 1552[13:45:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> BallsyDulphins, netstat -lp
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• 1554[13:45:26] <BallsyDulphins> thx
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• 1557[13:46:49] <BallsyDulphins> guess i have the process id (via fuser) .. i guess somehow i get can some info about that process using this id
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• 1560[13:48:20] <Eduard_Munteanu> BallsyDulphins, you can use 'kill' on it
• 1561[13:48:39] <BallsyDulphins> how?
• 1562[13:48:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> kill 1234
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• 1564[13:48:50] <BallsyDulphins> cool
• 1565[13:49:38] <BallsyDulphins> ps still running
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• 1568[13:50:53] <BallsyDulphins> any ideas why i cant kill it? (i disowned it and dont have any superuser access)
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• 1574[13:51:23] <Eduard_Munteanu> BallsyDulphins, kill -9 1234 should kill it for good
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• 1576[13:51:49] <abrotman> you imght want to see what the process is
• 1577[13:52:04] <BallsyDulphins> ha. i love linux. its so intuitive. -9
• 1578[13:52:07] <BallsyDulphins> :p
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• 1580[13:52:30] <BallsyDulphins> its been the node process as presumed.
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• 1582[13:53:07] <han-solo> don't use kill -9, until you run out of all options
• 1583[13:53:43] <han-solo> or if you don't care :}
• 1584[13:53:59] <BallsyDulphins> ouch .. that doesnt sound healhy..ps says: 2810 ttyp4 00:00:03 node <defunct>
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• 1587[13:54:40] <BallsyDulphins> should i worry?
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• 1590[13:55:23] <abrotman> it might be waiting to die, or now a zombie
• 1591[13:55:29] <BallsyDulphins> kill --no-regret ID
• 1592[13:55:49] <no_gravity> Strange, why does "cat a///////b" work if there is a file b in a folder a?
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• 1595[13:57:22] <BallsyDulphins> thats superuncool. what i want is to make sure the process is able to be restarted using a batch. dead processes blocking my ports is no option here.
• 1596[13:58:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> It shouldn't be listening anymore though.
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• 1600[13:59:49] <BallsyDulphins> you are right! thats at least good news. the port ist free.
• 1601[13:59:56] <BallsyDulphins> thx droogs
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• 1603[14:00:22] <Eduard_Munteanu> And if node opens the port with SO_REUSEADDR it should pretty much work as soon as possible.
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• 1607[14:02:30] <BallsyDulphins> yes as it goes i am justs trying to get to the point where i can start to work on the real issue
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• 1609[14:03:19] <Eduard_Munteanu> BallsyDulphins, if you need to make a system service out of it, have a look at systemd
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• 1616[14:05:49] <avar> I've been trying to search for this online, but is there really no pre-made debian non-free installation with the various firmware?
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• 1618[14:06:05] <avar> or do you either need to have another usb stick with manually added firmware/ stuff, or make your own cd?
• 1619[14:06:17] <abrotman> dpkg: tell avar about firmware images
• 1620[14:06:21] <BallsyDulphins> sounds interesting. my basic problem is i have no screen or tmux .. and i need to be able to start some process that wouldnt terminate when closing the terminal. the native options i know of .. are nohup and disown .. both seem quite unhandy for a task that isnt that exotic in first place
• 1621[14:06:44] <BallsyDulphins> Eduard_Munteanu: would systemd evtl be helpful with this too?
• 1622[14:07:00] <abrotman> avar: is that what you were looking for?
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• 1624[14:07:38] <avar> Sorry, forgot to mention that I tried that already (well actually stretch, replaced-url
• 1625[14:07:39] <CrazyManiac> replaced-url
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• 1630[14:08:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> BallsyDulphins, if it's something like a service, yes (e.g. backend server). Not so much for random commands you wish to run.
• 1631[14:08:41] <CrazyManiac> so amazing
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• 1633[14:08:57] <abrotman> bcm43* ?
• 1634[14:09:26] <CrazyManiac> ? *34mcb
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• 1640[14:10:10] <BallsyDulphins> Eduard_Munteanu: yes. when it works as it should, it starts that node service on some random machine, so that i wont hear about it anymore until the world has changed and nobody remembers
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• 1646[14:13:31] <BallsyDulphins> by now the admin starts a bash script on reset. i dont know how he has implemented it. but i can edit this script to get my stuff started on server restart. if i can start services with it without being superuser or bugging my admin to do change anything, i will go for it.
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• 1648[14:13:48] <abrotman> avar: I see the b43 packages on the ISO
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• 1652[14:14:51] <BallsyDulphins> thanks for help .. and chat and all.
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• 1655[14:15:27] <avar> abrotman: Yeah I just mounted both the stretch one I dl'd earlier and the jessie one you pointed out, both have *b43* packages. Maybe I just screwed something up, but during install it was saying it needed b43 firmware and I should get it from an external source
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• 1657[14:16:23] <TomTomTo1> i think the actual firmware for b43 is not shipped, just an installer that downloads it from some other place.
• 1658[14:16:44] <TomTomTo1> which doesn't work if you don't have a connection in the first place...
• 1659[14:16:57] <abrotman> avar: No wired install? the b43 has the fwcutter in a number of cases
• 1660[14:17:12] <abrotman> yeah, which TomTomTo1 mentioned, you need some existing internet for
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• 1662[14:17:38] <avar> Ah, yeah I can bootstrap it with wired, I just thought it had the /actual/ firmware, instead of an installer that needed the network
• 1663[14:17:55] <avar> i.e. that I was doing something wrong
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• 1667[14:18:17] <TomTomTo1> just terrible copyright that restricts redistribution.
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• 1669[14:18:59] <abrotman> avar: not your fault (other than buying a system with Broadcom hardware) :)
• 1670[14:19:10] <tdn> What does mdadm use the hostname for? I notice it is part of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf: "ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=a719a7a5:93fd065c:171425f3:8950de3d name=syrah:0" If I change hostname of the server, do I need to change this? Or can I even change it without breaking my mdadm raid array?
• 1671[14:19:43] <avar> TomTomTo1: I tried it on Ubuntu earlier which Just Worked, although maybe they have some custom contract with broadcom or something..
• 1672[14:20:10] <abrotman> avar: They have different "rules" about how they obey or disobey redistribution grants
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• 1674[14:22:41] <at0m> avar: ubuntu distributes "non-free" right on the .iso, debian doesn't since it would render the whole .iso non-free.
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• 1677[14:23:54] <avar> Oh yeah, I get it, I just thought the non-free /firmware/ cd had the actual firmware, not the network requiring firmware installer
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• 1679[14:26:53] <avar> I see though that I can download that firmware installer on my other laptop, and make another usb stick with the firmware ucode in firmware/, supposedly
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• 1682[14:27:43] <BluesKaj> one usually needs an ethernet connection on laptops to DL and install bcm drivers, that's been my experience
• 1683[14:28:08] <BluesKaj> on debian
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• 1685[14:28:21] <at0m> yea, either that or another machine and usb stick
• 1686[14:28:42] * abrotman wishes bcm hardware would die in a fire
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• 1689[14:29:29] <avar> Yeah I've been installing debian like that for ~15 years, I'm just stubborn and want it to work now, also installing from usb for the first time
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• 1691[14:29:35] <abrotman> at0m: the one that's supported in the Pi channel?
• 1692[14:29:35] <BluesKaj> abrotman, my lenovo works fine on jessie with bcm , no complaints there
• 1693[14:29:49] <at0m> abrotman: also, bcm
• 1694[14:30:13] <abrotman> BluesKaj: Sure, once you get it installed .. The license terms suck, and Broadcom can burn in hell
• 1695[14:30:27] <at0m> if not for bcm, rpi would probably install from native debian .iso
• 1696[14:30:28] <BluesKaj> heh
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• 1699[14:32:05] <mental_Ph> how do you make a channel btw guys
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• 1701[14:32:15] <at0m> mental_Ph: you just /join it
• 1702[14:32:37] <mental_Ph> and to make it persistent
• 1703[14:32:52] <at0m> mental_Ph: register it with chanserv. /msg chanserv help
• 1704[14:33:35] <mental_Ph> ahh thanks man
• 1705[14:34:15] <at0m> mental_Ph: probably read freenode's guidelines on hosting channels here.
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• 1711[14:37:13] <tjt263> how can i check where a program came from?
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• 1713[14:37:45] <tjt263> if dpkg -S isnt playing ball
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• 1717[14:38:56] <abrotman> tjt263: where is theprogram installed?
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• 1719[14:40:29] <tjt263> /usr/bin/convert
• 1720[14:41:07] <avar> urgh, so apparently creating a usb stick with ext4 and having a firmware/ directory with the same structure as /lib/firmware with the relevant ucode files doesn't work with d-i, just keeps asking "please insert removable media.."
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• 1722[14:41:32] <at0m> tjt263: imagemagick
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• 1725[14:42:17] <tjt263> i thought it came with imagemagick too but i removed it, and convert remains
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• 1728[14:42:40] <Azrael_-> i've had the problem of packages not being able to be verified. one guide said, just reinstall apt. after the first step i was doomed. without apt i had to go back to a completely new installation :)
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• 1731[14:43:01] <userro> apt-cache policy should show where it came from
• 1732[14:43:03] <ballessay> tj263: here its a symlink to /etc/alternatives/convert
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• 1735[14:43:20] <ballessay> which then links to the imagemagick binary
• 1736[14:43:40] <TomTomTo1> avar: formating it as FAT and putting the firmware in the root directory is the way to go, I believe. replaced-url
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• 1750[14:49:27] <tjt263> but the imagemagick binary should be gone
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• 1754[14:51:23] <ballessay> tjt263: where does the links point to? ls -l /usr/bin/convert /etc/alternatives/convert
• 1755[14:51:33] <tjt263> basically, i was having trouble getting convert to work properly
• 1756[14:51:33] <tjt263> to i thought i would remove imagemagick completely
• 1757[14:51:33] <tjt263> then reinstall it
• 1758[14:51:36] <tjt263> ill check
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• 1760[14:52:06] <tjt263> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Mar 8 18:59 /etc/alternatives/convert -> /usr/bin/convert-im6.q16
• 1761[14:52:09] <tjt263> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Mar 8 18:59 /usr/bin/convert -> /etc/alternatives/convert
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• 1769[14:52:59] <meta-coder> replaced-url
• 1770[14:53:17] <ballessay> tjt263: maybe thats from the package: imagemagick-6.q16?
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• 1774[14:54:01] <tjt263> oh, i didnt know that was a thing
• 1775[14:54:06] <tjt263> what even is that
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• 1778[14:54:31] <tjt263> maybe it has something to do with why it wouldnt work properly
• 1779[14:54:35] <ballessay> I don't know ;) just saw it after apt-cache search
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• 1781[14:55:35] <tjt263> thanks, ill give it a go
• 1782[14:55:53] <tjt263> try installing the regulr one
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• 1787[14:56:48] <webuser5224> Hello, everyone!
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• 1789[14:57:50] <webuser5224> I asked in here yesterday about a problem I had with the Debian installation via full disk image. Today I put a minimal installation image on a USB stick and again verified everything.
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• 1799[14:59:23] <webuser5224> The problem remains the same: it doesn't recognize my network card (intel 82567LM-3) and if I choose the "e1000e" driver in the list and click to continue, it refreshes the graphical environment but doesn't let me go to the next step.
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• 1804[15:01:03] <webuser5224> Should I not be theoretically able to pick any driver from the list it presents me with, even if I do not need or have the corresponding hardware in my system?
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• 1806[15:01:29] <webuser5224> need it*
• 1807[15:01:42] <abff> I am pretty sure you should be able to finish installation without a network connection.
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• 1810[15:02:39] <webuser5224> abff, it only lets me continue if I choose that I have no network card installed, but why is it not possible to manually pick a driver?
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• 1813[15:05:19] <abff> webuser5224 So you select the correct driver, and then what's stopping you from continuing?
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• 1815[15:06:05] <webuser5224> I click on "Continue" and it doesn't do anything.
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• 1819[15:08:03] <abff> I don't know man, did you try pushing enter?
• 1820[15:08:16] <webuser5224> yeah
• 1821[15:08:20] <petn-randall> webuser5224: Are you sure you're using a Debian installer, and not some other distro? I've never heard of it being able to select a driver for a card.
• 1822[15:08:31] <BluesKaj> webuser5224, if you aren't connected to the internet then the installer can't download the required NIC driver, plain and simple
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• 1824[15:09:01] <petn-randall> BluesKaj: That sounds a little silly.
• 1825[15:09:10] <abff> BluesKaj thats awful
• 1826[15:09:22] <abff> why would it show you the driver if it didn't already have it
• 1827[15:09:27] <BluesKaj> petn-randall, that's been my experience
• 1828[15:09:33] <webuser5224> petn-randall, I am using the following media: replaced-url
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• 1834[15:11:03] <petn-randall> webuser5224: Is it maybe asking for *firmware*?
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• 1837[15:11:49] * BluesKaj shrugs, debian could sate at the install start that the machine needs an internet connection like some other OSs do
• 1838[15:12:48] <abff> I had to dump a bunch of non-free firmware into my installer when I was putting this laptop env together
• 1839[15:12:51] <webuser5224> BluesKaj, I have an ethernet connection and the port's LEDs are blinking. I can also retrieve the network card via lspci.
• 1840[15:13:04] <webuser5224> petn-randall, the page in the installer asks for a driver.
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• 1848[15:17:37] <BluesKaj> webuser5224, are you choosing the ethernet connection in the network connection option,? you have to in order to finish the install and the wifi driver will problty have to DL'd an installed after the installation is finished and rebooted
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• 1852[15:18:07] <BluesKaj> scuse the typos
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• 1855[15:19:30] <webuser5224> BluesKaj, that step doesn't show anything. It searches for the network connections and then just tells me that it couldn't find an ethernet card.
• 1856[15:20:12] <BluesKaj> webuser5224, uhoh, that's not good
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• 1858[15:21:49] <c1a551f1ed> That would imply that the OS doesnt see any of its included firmware as being the right one. Whats the lspci output for the NIC?
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• 1869[15:32:05] <webuser5224> c1a551f1ed, what information would be needed? It just outputs a block with information about the ethernet controller.
• 1870[15:32:36] <c1a551f1ed> webuser5224: No, it outputs a block with information about all PCI-connected devices on the system.
• 1871[15:32:42] <c1a551f1ed> webuser5224: I just need the line that corresponds to the NIC.
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• 1876[15:33:34] <BluesKaj> most likely ethernet controller
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• 1879[15:34:10] <c1a551f1ed> webuser5224: Try this: lspci -nn | grep Ethernet
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• 1887[15:35:57] <BluesKaj> webuser5224, Don't know if this helps, but I've never used the full complete dvd installer image, prefer to use the minimal iso the netinstall image provides, and one asumes the ethernet connection will work under those circumstances
• 1888[15:36:33] <c1a551f1ed> BluesKaj: I suspect that the issue is that the PCI ID of his NIC wasn't added to the e1000e driver, which means the kernel would have no idea that the e1000e module is the right one.
• 1889[15:36:45] <webuser5224> BluesKaj, I tried both, I have them both lying here. lspci returns that it is an intel 82567LM rev 3.
• 1890[15:36:54] <c1a551f1ed> webuser5224: I didn't ask what it returned, I asked you for the output.
• 1891[15:37:03] <c1a551f1ed> webuser5224: As in, the ENTIRE output of the command.
• 1892[15:37:58] <c1a551f1ed> webuser5224: (Meaning the entire line the corresponds to the NIC, rather.)
• 1893[15:38:20] <webuser5224> "00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f5] (rev 03)"]
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• 1897[15:40:15] <dvs> ,pciid 8086:10f5
• 1898[15:40:23] <judd> [8086:10f5] is '82567LM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 1917[15:57:21] <BluesKaj> webuser5224, how old or new is this computer?
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• 1920[15:59:13] <webuser5224> BluesKaj, it's from 2008.
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• 1922[16:00:11] <petn-randall> webuser5224: How did you prepare the USB stick?
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• 1927[16:01:36] * dvs waits for the "u" word...
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• 1931[16:03:11] <BluesKaj> ok same vintage as this HP on which I'm running stretch, webuser5224 ..assuming the NIC is onboard and not a pci
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• 1933[16:04:52] <tdn> What are the proper way of changing hostname on a Debian system? Except from changing the actual hostname what other remnants are there of the hostname that needs to be changed/updated?
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• 1935[16:05:21] <SwedeMike> tdn: replaced-url
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• 1937[16:05:29] <tdn> SwedeMike, thanks
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• 1945[16:08:37] <obsed> Hi
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• 1947[16:10:09] <obsed> Im helping someone in another channel (##hardware) and they are looking for a cheap laptop (budget=$300) that they can run Debian on. He wants to take it to school, Cafe's etc, just sort of "general usage"
• 1948[16:10:20] <obsed> Any ideas? Im looking to see if Lenovo has anything acceptable in that price range
• 1949[16:10:27] <webuser5224> petn-randall, I downloaded the netinstall image, the checksums and the signature file, imported the corresponding key from the keyserver, checked the signature, compared the checksum of the image with the one in the file, used isosize to show the block count and size for my USB stick, copied everything onto it via dd and then piped dd if=<usbstick> to sha512sum with the checksum file to compare it. Why?
• 1950[16:10:38] <obsed> He is happy to buy used
• 1951[16:12:05] <BluesKaj> webuser5224, interesting , a 2008 vintage machine that bootd from usb...using a plop cd?
• 1952[16:12:19] <petn-randall> webuser5224: Because there are several "helper" tools that mangle the image which result in hard to reproduce problems during installation. It was a guess since you're encountering a problem I haven't seen since helping out in this channel.
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• 1977[16:25:58] <webuser5224> I just tried the USB stick with a system that has the same ethernet card and it worked. Would that indicate that the hardware on the first system might be damaged?
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• 1979[16:26:38] <BluesKaj> webuser5224, seems so
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• 1982[16:27:27] <BluesKaj> or the cable or the connectors
• 1983[16:27:45] <webuser5224> Can lspci still recognize a damaged device?
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• 1986[16:28:11] <petn-randall> webuser5224: Assuming it can still talk on the PCI bus, then 'lspci' will still show it.
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• 1994[16:33:49] <mebus> Hi! Can a bridge have an ipv4 and ipv6 ip in /etc/network/interfaces ?
• 1995[16:33:55] <mebus> it's not working for me :-(
• 1996[16:34:04] <mebus> or do I have to use post-up ... ?
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• 2010[16:37:44] <ibn-batot> Hello all, after installing kali on vmware, updated, upgraded, i found that the packagae installer does not run. it just gives me "cancel, continue anyway" , after pressing continuous , it went away and nothing starts. what should i do ?
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• 2012[16:38:50] <zykotick9> !kali
• 2013[16:38:50] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 2015[16:41:06] <ibn-batot> dpkg it is not a security issue i talk about. it is about the package installer. it does not start
• 2016[16:41:07] <dpkg> ibn-batot: what are you talking about?
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• 2018[16:41:21] <ibn-batot> i cannt start it
• 2019[16:41:22] <c1a551f1ed> ibn-batot: Kali is off topic in this channel, end of story.
• 2020[16:41:30] <c1a551f1ed> ibn-batot: Please seek assistance in #kali-linux.
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• 2023[16:42:08] <ibn-batot> dpkg plz look at ur /msg
• 2024[16:42:08] <dpkg> ibn-batot: are you using Windows?
• 2025[16:42:14] <c1a551f1ed> ibn-batot: dpkg is a bot.
• 2026[16:42:23] <ibn-batot> uh uh
• 2027[16:42:25] <c1a551f1ed> ibn-batot: Again, Kali is OFF TOPIC in this channel.
• 2028[16:42:26] <ibn-batot> :(
• 2029[16:42:36] <ibn-batot> c1a551f1ed hold ur horses man
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• 2031[16:42:45] <at0m> too 1337 for #debian =)
• 2032[16:42:46] <c1a551f1ed> ibn-batot: The channel you're looking for is #kali-linux. Please go there.
• 2033[16:42:53] <ibn-batot> i am there
• 2034[16:42:56] <c1a551f1ed> at0m: Too mangled, you mean.
• 2035[16:42:59] <ibn-batot> but they do nto talk at all
• 2036[16:43:25] <c1a551f1ed> ibn-batot: That doesn't change the fact that Kali is off-topic here.
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• 2039[16:43:43] <c1a551f1ed> ibn-batot: dpkg has listed several resources for you. You will need to seek help there.
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• 2043[16:45:19] <ibn-batot> c1a551f1ed well, i think i knoww what i need. thanx anyhow
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• 2047[16:45:49] <mebus> anybody??
• 2048[16:46:16] <c1a551f1ed> mebus: Pastebin the current contents of /etc/network/interfaces. The answer is yes it can.
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• 2051[16:47:55] <mebus> c1a551f1ed: replaced-url
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• 2067[16:52:17] <L00P3X> Hello.. before installing a StableRelase i would also make my 10years old HDD stable by wiping it to 0.. any suggestion on how use g-parted live and format it properly for a debian install?
• 2068[16:52:39] <c1a551f1ed> mebus: Linode, by chance?
• 2069[16:52:58] <mebus> c1a551f1ed: what?
• 2070[16:53:24] <c1a551f1ed> mebus: Where is that system hosted?
• 2071[16:54:19] <mebus> c1a551f1ed: does it matter?
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• 2075[16:54:45] <q9> Hi, when i use resize2fs on my usb3-disk iotop shows writing speed of 800K/s, while the cpu almost idles. What could be limiting the speed? Or is that normal?
• 2076[16:54:52] <c1a551f1ed> mebus: Sure does.
• 2077[16:55:34] <BluesKaj> L00P3X, a normal format before or during the install is all that's needed
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• 2079[16:56:44] <mebus> c1a551f1ed: no.
• 2080[16:56:53] <L00P3X> Thank you <BluesKaj> .. something like a blank, long, format should not be a problem or should i use an ext4 one?
• 2081[16:57:16] <mebus> c1a551f1ed: line 10 is the problem
• 2082[16:57:23] <BluesKaj> an ext4 will work fine , L00P3X
• 2083[16:57:26] <mebus> c1a551f1ed: doesn't matter where it's hosted :D
• 2084[16:57:26] <c1a551f1ed> c1a551f1ed: Then I'm going to pass on helping you. I know the IPv6 implementations of a few common hosting providers, and some of them have caveats.
• 2085[16:57:33] <c1a551f1ed> mebus: If you figure it out on your own, awesome.
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• 2087[16:58:16] <mebus> c1a551f1ed: I don't understand your problem. br0 is not getting an IPv6 address. I don't think that it matters, where its hosted on a staticly configured IP
• 2088[16:58:41] <c1a551f1ed> mebus: That's your choice to not give me the information I'm asking for to help you with your problem. I'm out.
• 2089[16:58:45] <L00P3X> thank you ^^ i'm also new to debian so maybe you know if a lvm works like a password between bios and user? and if a full disk encription means that os like knoppix kann't access the data.. than you
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• 2091[17:00:09] <BluesKaj> L00P3X, sorry ican't help you with that...maybe someone else will respond
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• 2101[17:01:38] <L00P3X> thank you. i havent find dettalied post about that over the internet.. i havent understand how it in pratic works or affect the usage of a normal user
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• 2105[17:02:44] <Amun_Ra> L00P3X: it doesn't work like that
• 2106[17:03:00] <Amun_Ra> L00P3X: lvm works like virtual partition manager
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• 2109[17:03:50] <Amun_Ra> L00P3X: there's another layer for encrypting, luks
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• 2115[17:06:39] <L00P3X> <Amun_Ra> i mean a full disk encription using lvm.. how it fisical expose to users.. like a passwords and decription while using? and if something like knoppix kann't access the HDD files
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• 2118[17:07:21] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 2120[17:07:30] <L00P3X> hi ^^
• 2121[17:07:36] <code1o6> hi
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• 2123[17:08:08] <Azrael_-> i want to install phpmyadmin on my machine, but i used the sury-sources for installing only php7.0 and i don't want to install php5 again. but phpmyadmin currently has a dependency onto php5 on jessie. any hints/ideas how to avoid this?
• 2124[17:08:21] <code1o6> !help
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• 2131[17:11:45] <Amun_Ra> L00P3X: that's the output of lsblk on my machine replaced-url
• 2132[17:11:50] <code1o6> Azrael_-, could you show me your log?
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• 2137[17:13:03] <code1o6> I'm trying to install steam on debian is it possible?
• 2138[17:13:05] <Amun_Ra> L00P3X: note*
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• 2142[17:14:12] <Azrael_-> code1o6: what log? if i just run "apt-get install phpmyadmin" it also tries to install the php5-components because of the package-dependencies.
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• 2146[17:16:12] <L00P3X> <Amun_Ra>..it also express hisselfe in password or strange encription procedures for update? i would,shure, encrypt my data but don't know if its someting i should care about.. or if knoppix still have a chance
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• 2153[17:18:34] <code1o6> Azrael_-, what if you run apt-get install -f?
• 2154[17:18:55] <olivetree_> Hi guys
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• 2158[17:20:20] <olivetree_> I have a issue: I am on Debian Testing, and i tried to configure wpa2 Enterprise to work on my university wifi, but it keeps asking for my password. Do you know anything about it? Previously i had Debian Stable (Jessie) and it worked fine, now i can't get in
• 2159[17:21:14] <Brigo> olivetree_, testing is supported in #debian-next channel in oftc network. Perhaps you will get better support there.
• 2160[17:21:40] <Orbstheorem> why isn't sbt packaged on debian?
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• 2164[17:21:55] <abff> ,v sbt
• 2165[17:21:56] <judd> No package named 'sbt' was found in amd64.
• 2166[17:21:57] <olivetree_> thanks brigo i'll try that
• 2167[17:21:58] <Brigo> Orbstheorem, sbt?
• 2168[17:22:03] <Brigo> olivetree_, good luck
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• 2171[17:22:29] <olivetree_> thanks :)
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• 2173[17:23:34] <Orbstheorem> replaced-url
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• 2176[17:24:11] <Orbstheorem> Brigo: ^^
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• 2181[17:24:50] <Brigo> Orbstheorem, i would guess it hasn't be packages because nobody cares.
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• 2183[17:24:57] <Orbstheorem> olivetree_: what are you using for managing your network? wpa_supplicant? network-manager?
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• 2186[17:25:41] <olivetree_> network.manager
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• 2193[17:27:08] <Brigo> Orbstheorem, anyway thre is an scala package
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• 2195[17:27:12] <Brigo> ,v scala
• 2196[17:27:13] <judd> Package: scala on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.2+dfsg-1; jessie: 2.9.2+dfsg-2; stretch: 2.11.8-1; sid: 2.11.8-1
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• 2205[17:29:11] <Orbstheorem> exactly, there's a scala package, but I find weird that nobody packaged the build systemd with it
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• 2207[17:30:34] <L00P3X> so thank you.. i have to leave now..
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• 2211[17:32:14] <Brigo> oberling, systemd?
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• 2214[17:34:06] <Brigo> oberling, there is a build system which support scala: libgradle-plugins-java
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• 2218[17:36:13] <Brigo> BluesKaj, you are right.
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• 2222[17:38:43] <abff> replaced-url
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• 2224[17:39:03] <abff> They made it pretty clear that they have a deb package, where to find it, and how to use apt to install it
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• 2226[17:39:23] <abff> Orbstheorem
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• 2237[17:44:37] <Orbstheorem> so, I ask myself if there's any specific reason or just the fact there is no maintainer for the package
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• 2240[17:45:31] <prussian> you can volunteer to maintain it I guess. though you might need a sponser or something.
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• 2247[17:47:32] <Azrael_-> code1o6: it still expands the packages to php5
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• 2266[17:56:16] <fifnir> So my system sometimes shows no signal on the screen untill the debian login screen pops up (but this only ever happens after a full shutdown),
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• 2268[17:56:29] <fifnir> I tried the "nomodeset" kernel param but it doesnt seem to work
• 2269[17:56:37] <fifnir> any thoughts on what else might be causing this ?
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• 2271[17:57:17] <fifnir> connecting a second hard drive to the motherboard seems to "aggrevate" the situation, I think if I only have the drive with the debian on, it never happens
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• 2277[17:58:55] <BluesKaj> fifnir, make sure the debian drive is first in the boot sequence
• 2278[17:58:55] <code1o6> guys do I have libGL.so.1 in 32bit? replaced-url
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• 2281[17:59:31] <BluesKaj> fifnir, in the BIOS or UEFI
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• 2283[17:59:54] <fifnir> It;s UEFI
• 2284[18:00:00] <fifnir> and i suspect something's wrong
• 2285[18:00:02] <fifnir> with that
• 2286[18:00:07] <fifnir> but i have no idea where to start
• 2287[18:00:27] <fifnir> how do I check what drive goes first in the boot seq ?
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• 2292[18:02:47] <BluesKaj> open the UEFI fifnir , when booting you see the manufacturers logo then you should see a F key to press to enter the UEFI , then use the arrow keys to navigate in UEFI/BIOS
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• 2294[18:03:26] <fifnir> oh right
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• 2296[18:03:58] <fifnir> hm, that shouldnt be any problem, it was the first thing i checked
• 2297[18:04:08] <fifnir> let's have another look
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• 2313[18:10:36] <fifnir> I don't get UEFI signal until the login screen after complete shut downs (works fine after restarts). nomodeset didn't help, debian disk is 1st to boot, any thoughts?
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• 2324[18:17:08] <alphanet> hello, I observed that Debian jessie does not auto-start a web client when a wifi connection is made to a captive network (which redirects everything to a login page, e.g.): is it possible to enable this behaviour ?
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• 2327[18:17:49] <alphanet> (if not, with recent security policies on HTTPS servers preventing HTTP from being used, it is getting difficult to type replaced-url
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• 2336[18:21:34] <petn-randall> alphanet: Debian doesn't support such a thing, no. It's not even standardized, so there's no sane way to detect this (no idea how android does this).
• 2337[18:21:51] <xand> there are a variety of pseudo-standards for that
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• 2339[18:22:01] <xand> some test URLs that android and iso/macos use
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• 2342[18:22:39] <alphanet> ok, so now it gets a user problem: do not type replaced-url
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• 2345[18:24:40] <alphanet> (replaced-url
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• 2349[18:24:55] <xand> alphanet: replaced-url
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• 2352[18:25:06] <alphanet> xand: yes, I remember that.
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• 2354[18:25:20] <alphanet> xand: I do operate a captive WiFi network
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• 2357[18:25:43] <alphanet> xand: working perfectly with Android, iOs; recent Debian/Firefox fail because of HSTS
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• 2361[18:25:58] <alphanet> xand: unless you type explicitely a HTTP url which has no HSTS
• 2362[18:26:06] <alphanet> xand: I used ptiturl.ch
• 2363[18:26:25] * petn-randall shrugs.
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• 2368[18:27:03] <petn-randall> alphanet: Manipulating DNS queries or redirecting HTTP is evil, so if you break something you get to keep the pieces.
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• 2370[18:27:41] <alphanet> petn-randall: yes, it is particularly evil; this is why I also offer a WPA/RADIUS auth; however most people travelling through the worlds get faced to those `public' captive login networks.
• 2371[18:28:01] <xand> see also DNSSEC
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• 2378[18:30:00] <alphanet> xand: yes, that's right, it would also fail with DNSSEC, however most clients have this disabled by default.
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• 2382[18:30:59] <alphanet> I was more thinking to document this in the Debian user manual.
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• 2429[18:52:18] <jhutchins> alphanet: You do realize you're an edge case, and thousands of people use Debian without any of these problems.
• 2430[18:53:03] <alphanet> jhutchins: I am afraid that any Debian user using a captive WiFi network portal with a recent Firefox will get this problem, no?
• 2431[18:53:42] <alphanet> jhutchins: so it does not look so edgy to me.
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• 2433[18:54:00] <jhutchins> Generally that auto-triggering of the browser to log in is a very non-standard mechanism, and ofte does not work, even in professionally built commercial situations.
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• 2435[18:54:12] <abcdefy> what is a captice wifi network?
• 2436[18:54:24] <jhutchins> It mostly works in Windows frankly because Windows is insecure and can be manipulated by the network hardware.
• 2437[18:54:42] <jhutchins> abcdefy: One that forces you to log in on a web page in this case.
• 2438[18:54:43] <alphanet> I am just asking for documentation, not automatic resolving.
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• 2440[18:55:06] <alphanet> most wifi from hotels, airports, etc
• 2441[18:55:23] <alphanet> remember HSTS might not be used by the firefox from jessie
• 2442[18:55:28] <jhutchins> alphanet: If you launch a browser, and the network is not set up too badly, you should get the login page.
• 2443[18:55:43] <prussian> uh. I'm sure someone wrote some GNOME extension that will open firefox or whatever when on-connect you get a captive portal
• 2444[18:55:45] <alphanet> jhutchins: no, you do not, you get a security warning
• 2445[18:56:00] <alphanet> jhutchins: which in recent firefox means you can't login
• 2446[18:56:11] <alphanet> jhutchins: because of HSTS persistent config
• 2447[18:56:20] <jhutchins> alphanet: That would be a firefox issue then, contact Mozilla.
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• 2449[18:57:07] <alphanet> jhutchins: anyway, I was asking for documentation in the user manual, not a fix.
• 2450[18:57:18] <alphanet> jhutchins: I posted to debian-user.
• 2451[18:57:48] <jhutchins> alphanet: I wouldn't expect a "feature" of firefox to be documented in the Debian manual, it would be in the Mozilla documentation.
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• 2454[18:59:06] <jhutchins> alphanet: It would be a very good idea to bring it to their attention, as they might want to change how firefox handles that situation.
• 2455[18:59:09] <alphanet> jhutchins: "If you connect to a captive network, be aware that Debian does not support this and you need to manually go to a HTTP URL in your browser or consult your browser's documentation to see if it supports auto-redirecting"
• 2456[18:59:13] <jhutchins> alphanet: That's how problems get fixed.
• 2457[18:59:27] <jhutchins> alphanet: It's not Debian, it's Mozilla Firefox.
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• 2459[18:59:31] <alphanet> jhutchins: okay :)
• 2460[18:59:57] <alphanet> jhutchins: my last report to Mozilla took one year to be considered, 6 more monthes to be considered, and it is still not fixed
• 2461[18:59:59] <jhutchins> alphanet: Now if you could reproduce it with ALL of the many web browsers available on Debian, you might have a case.
• 2462[19:00:13] <alphanet> jhutchins: ALL of the browsers supporting HSTS will fail.
• 2463[19:00:20] <alphanet> jhutchins: anyway, thank you for your advice.
• 2464[19:00:31] <jhutchins> alphanet: My average time-to-fix on RH bugreports is about two years.
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• 2466[19:00:52] <jhutchins> alphanet: There are bugs in firefox that I reported back when it was Mosaic. (History routines.)
• 2467[19:01:03] <alphanet> anyway, it is now documented on debian-user.
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• 2469[19:01:32] <jhutchins> alphanet: If your wording is as above you shoudl change it unless you confirm it with the other browsers. All of them.
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• 2473[19:02:48] <alphanet> jhutchins: I would guess most of the others Web browsers available as free software on Debian do not support HSTS yet.
• 2474[19:03:00] <alphanet> jhutchins: so I will wait until others report the same issue.
• 2475[19:03:05] <jhutchins> alphanet: Don't guess, investigate.
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• 2488[19:10:10] <dutchfish> hi, how to use POSIX extended atribs in a cgit, where the .git repos reside in /home/git/ on a Debian server? Any hint/link/wiki welcome.
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• 2505[19:18:46] <dutchfish> too ensure all group members can read/write within the same ACL's of that group
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• 2509[19:20:19] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 2514[19:21:10] <abcdefy> Hi
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• 2517[19:21:58] <Azrael_-> i added the sury-repositories to install php7.0 on jessie. but if i want to install phpmyadmin it still wants to install php5-dependencies. i can still install it by using dpkg --force-all -i phpmyadmin-package.deb but after this apt always throws error-messages because of the missing dependencies. any hints how i could solve this?
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• 2525[19:28:14] <prussian> does sury have phpmyadmin?
• 2526[19:28:24] <prussian> you can try and directly speficy what repo to install from
• 2527[19:28:30] <Azrael_-> unfortunatly not
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• 2530[19:28:52] <Azrael_-> there is already a bug filed for the ubuntu-repos
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• 2534[19:30:13] <prussian> ya idk if you can do anything about that unless you add a phpmyadmin repo that provides php7 deps
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• 2536[19:30:51] <Azrael_-> and that's what i hoped you could give me a hint to
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• 2561[19:40:43] <Alina-malina> not sure how to verify if my usb cp2102 can be seen by system, when i do lsusb i can see some INGENICO device, but i am not sure why it says so
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• 2563[19:41:19] <hicks_> anyone with a wacom upgraded to stretch and found it's now showing up as a joystick in kde settings, so there's no config options for the buttons etc anymore?
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• 2565[19:42:17] <hicks_> bah wrong channel sorry,ignore that question :)
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• 2567[19:42:28] <prussian> i don't know Azrael_- the official phpmyadmin site indicates there is a docker image though. you could just do that
• 2568[19:42:41] <prussian> privileged docker container =/
• 2569[19:43:06] <prussian> would probably be the easiet way without completely polluting your system
• 2570[19:43:09] <Azrael_-> never used docker yet
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• 2573[19:43:29] <prussian> well give it a shot.
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• 2578[19:44:01] <prussian> otherwise you can try and install it form source
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• 2620[19:59:00] <u0_a215> test
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• 2622[20:00:15] <u0_a215> Could anyone please write something here I'm testing weechat termux client
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• 2627[20:02:32] <prussian> uh sure
• 2628[20:02:37] <prussian> hi u0_a215
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• 2636[20:08:53] <avar> TomTomTosch: FWIW I couldn't get any combo of replaced-url
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• 2644[20:14:21] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: How many times have you see someone told "if you use third party repos, you break dependencies" in here?
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• 2646[20:15:38] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: You can install phpmyadmin from their own packages - it's a collection of php scripts that you can just copy to a diretory. You may have to do a few more config steps, like create a sites-available/-enabled file to tell apache where it is, but it runs just fine that way.
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• 2649[20:17:41] <Walakea> is there a safe way to reinstall libgl1-mesa-dev from jessie-backports back to jessie?
• 2650[20:17:57] <jhutchins> avar: Good for you for solving the problem.
• 2651[20:18:14] <Azrael_-> jhutchins: i know isn't nice, but this time i unfortunately need php7 and don't want to go to testing
• 2652[20:18:24] <Azrael_-> *it isn't nice
• 2653[20:18:24] <jhutchins> Walakea: Same way to install any package, if it's available.
• 2654[20:18:37] <jhutchins> ,v libgl1-mesa-dev
• 2655[20:18:38] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dev on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.5-1~bpo8+1; sid: 13.0.6-1; stretch: 13.0.6-1; experimental: 17.0.2-1
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• 2657[20:18:56] <avar> jhutchins: Looks like someone filed a bug for it back in jessie: replaced-url
• 2658[20:18:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2659[20:18:59] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: I understand, which is why I offered you a solution.
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• 2662[20:19:02] <avar> i.e. 2x usb sticks..
• 2663[20:19:14] <Azrael_-> jhutchins: thanks, will probably do
• 2664[20:19:17] <Walakea> if i just apt-get install jessie version won't it break my system?
• 2665[20:19:42] <jhutchins> Walakea: Yes, backports are meant to be installed on the same-name release.
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• 2667[20:20:27] <Walakea> if i am corrent ...-mesa-dev is not used in any actual rendering, just for development?
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• 2670[20:20:42] <jhutchins> Walakea: Installing from backports _only_ installs the requested package and necessary dependencies, not everything in backports.
• 2671[20:21:09] <jhutchins> Walakea: -dev packages are usually the headers so linked packages can be compiled against them.
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• 2674[20:22:05] <jhutchins> Walakea: You will want to have the matching libgl1-mesa package from backports.
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• 2680[20:22:47] <Walakea> i don't understand
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• 2682[20:23:13] <jhutchins> Walakea: you want your -dev package to match the version that is installed.
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• 2684[20:23:32] <Walakea> my issue is that i want to use graphics libraries (OpenGl, OpenSceneGraph), but for some reason i have the backported version of mesa-dev
• 2685[20:23:36] <jhutchins> Walakea: I'm not sure there is a dependency link, but it would be silly to compile something against a version you don't hvae.
• 2686[20:23:58] <Walakea> so i cannot install those libraries
• 2687[20:24:01] <jhutchins> Walakea: Ok, then you are correct, you want the backports version of the -dev so it matches.
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• 2690[20:24:15] <jhutchins> Walakea: Can you install them from backports?
• 2691[20:24:19] <Walakea> or i want to revert backported mesa
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• 2695[20:25:02] <Walakea> no, they are jessie / strecth only
• 2696[20:25:46] <jhutchins> Walakea: You can remove the backport package with dpkg, then request a normal install without specifying backports and it should install the release version.
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• 2701[20:27:15] <Walakea> or can i actually remove backported mesa-dev (via apt) without breaking my display manager? i would prefer it this way
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• 2718[20:33:19] <jhutchins> Walakea: I don't know if your DM needs that function or exactly what it addresses, but I would do as I suggested. Remove it with dpkg, not one of the apt programs that will try to resolve and remove dependencies. If you have other bits that came from backports with it, you may have to manually install them. Then go ahead and re-install it with an apt tool so that dependencies are checked and you shoul
• 2719[20:33:25] <jhutchins> d be fine.
• 2720[20:33:30] <jhutchins> Walakea: Why did you install it from backports in the first place?
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• 2724[20:35:05] <Walakea> i am quite a new user
• 2725[20:35:18] <Walakea> i was at time when i did it
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• 2727[20:35:35] <jhutchins> Walakea: Don't believe everything you read oin IRC <grin>.
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• 2738[20:45:43] <nmschulte> I have a special build (compilation) of Dunst in my ~/.local directory -- how can I get systemd's `systemd --user` to use a per-user PATH extension, so that when it runs Dunst, it uses the one in my $HOME/.local?
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• 2741[20:46:14] <nmschulte> Doh -- replaced-url
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• 2746[20:47:24] <luxio> Should I be concerned about systemd?
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• 2748[20:47:33] <prussian> what?
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• 2755[20:50:20] <petn-randall> luxio: In what sense?
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• 2757[20:50:47] <nmschulte> you should be aware of systemd, I'd say.
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• 2766[20:54:30] <ryouma> i don't use samba, so i figured i could remove libsmbclient. so i tried purging it, but "9) vlc recommends vlc-plugin-samba (= 2.2.4-1~deb8u1)". there was no option for "remove it anyway because it is only a recommends".
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• 2771[20:56:55] <Walakea> jhutchins: somehow i went the dependency path, i am currently at libdrm2, trying to reinstall it wants to remove all graphical packages
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• 2777[20:59:14] <ryouma> so my question is, is it normal to give aptitude a force argument for cases like that?
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• 2779[21:00:19] <petn-randall> ryouma: You can remove any package that is *only* recommended on, so I think you're misinterpreting some information.
• 2780[21:00:29] <petn-randall> ryouma: If in doubt, show us all debugging info:
• 2781[21:00:31] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2782[21:00:31] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2785[21:01:24] <ryouma> petn-randall: interesting. let me see if i can get those.
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• 2788[21:02:40] <treeror346> i need libpng12
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• 2790[21:03:51] <petn-randall> ,v libpng12
• 2791[21:03:52] <judd> No package named 'libpng12' was found in amd64.
• 2792[21:04:01] <treeror346> jap
• 2793[21:04:08] <treeror346> need it fast
• 2794[21:04:08] <petn-randall> treeror346: It doesn't exist in Debian. Tell us about your problem, not what you think the solution is.
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• 2796[21:04:29] <centrx> libpng12-0
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• 2798[21:04:33] <centrx> ,v libpng12-0
• 2799[21:04:34] <judd> Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3
• 2800[21:04:40] <treeror346> i have a programm that needs libpng12
• 2801[21:04:48] <petn-randall> treeror346: which one?
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• 2804[21:05:07] <treeror346> libpng12.so.0
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• 2807[21:05:27] <petn-randall> treeror346: That's the library, not the program.
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• 2809[21:05:28] <jelly> treeror346: which program?
• 2810[21:05:49] <treeror346> pioneer
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• 2812[21:06:30] <treeror346> there is no debian package for that, i also created a issue on github
• 2813[21:06:37] <jelly> treeror346: pastebin the output of "ldd /path/to/pioneer" and "dpkg -S /path/to/pioneer". Which debian release do you have installed?
• 2814[21:06:52] <treeror346> testing
• 2815[21:06:57] <ryouma> petn-randall: ok, here is the result (but sprunge not p.d.n, let me know if htat is an issue): replaced-url
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• 2819[21:08:55] <treeror346> replaced-url
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• 2821[21:09:39] <Walakea> can i safely downgrade libdrm2 from jessie-backports to jessie without having to reinstall all the graphical packages?
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• 2823[21:10:32] <teraflops> try it and see
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• 2827[21:12:14] <Azrael_-> currently i'm using rsnapshot for doing backups from multiple vms, but now it seems like the number of files is getting too big, so even creating a link-copy of a current backup takes quite long. if i switched to bacula, could i lighten the impact onto the disks?
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• 2829[21:12:33] <petn-randall> ryouma: vlc-plugin-samba depends on libsmbclient, and vlc recommends the former. So you'd have to remove vlc-plugin-samba. Probably the same for the other packages.
• 2830[21:12:52] <petn-randall> ryouma: Note that it is only a lib to support SMB in some form, it doesn't make you automatically use it.
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• 2832[21:13:18] <petn-randall> ryouma: So I'd just let it be, it's not that much disk space you'll save removing it.
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• 2834[21:13:24] <petn-randall> (gotta go, cya)
• 2835[21:13:42] <ryouma> petn-randall: thanks
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• 2877[21:37:59] <Walakea> how do i install package from debian repositories via dpkg?
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• 2880[21:39:10] <treeror346> dpkg -i
• 2881[21:39:10] <dpkg> treeror346: I wish you would RTFM.
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• 2883[21:39:32] <treeror346> i just wanted to play that game
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• 2891[21:43:08] <coke> Walakea: apt
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• 2904[21:47:11] <d3xter> hey guys, i'm using matchbox-window-manager + matchbox-keyboard in an infoscreen. it works fine, but i've encountered a problem that password-fields inside firefox doesn't pop-up the virtual keyboard. any hints on how to solve this?
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• 2914[21:55:38] <jhutchins> I've noticed before that imap for outbound mail is not a well-known feature. Can't seem to get my wife's Galaxy S5 to handle it, my Droid Turbo 2 lets me tell it SMTP is on 143 and figures it out.
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• 2917[21:56:31] <jhutchins> d3xter: Come up with a way to launch it manually?
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• 2919[21:56:54] <jhutchins> matchbox and infoscreen are not familiar terms.
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• 2921[21:57:34] <jhutchins> d3xter: I don't know what kind of support that project offers, but they would probably be better able to help.
• 2922[21:57:37] <jhutchins> !matchbox
• 2923[21:57:38] <dpkg> matchbox is, like, a open-source base environment for the X Window System running on non-desktop embedded platforms. replaced-url
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• 2926[21:58:12] <jhutchins> d3xter: They have a channel. I'll bet it's pretty slow and client, mailing lists and forums would be more help.
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• 2933[22:00:15] <d3xter> jhutchins: thanks, will give it a try
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• 2956[22:06:44] <petn-randall> Walakea: You don't. That's what apt-get is for.
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• 2967[22:11:18] <jhutchins> Walakea: I think the approach of removing it with dpkg and re-installing with apt* is most likley to be less painful.
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• 2979[22:15:50] <eset> could someone look at this -> replaced-url
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• 2983[22:19:03] <Walakea> so i was able to fix my situation using some dirty tricks
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• 2985[22:19:42] <Walakea> i manually downloaded .deb packages together with their dependencies and dpkg --installed them
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• 2987[22:20:04] <jhutchins> Walakea: There's no real need for that.
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• 2995[22:25:20] <Walakea> what do you think about using ext4 filesystem on a backup USB drive?
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• 2997[22:25:51] <Walakea> i think it won't be able to use it on Windows
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• 3003[22:27:27] <eset> Someone maybe took a look on my question? replaced-url
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• 3007[22:29:54] <jhutchins> Walakea: There are ext drivers for Windows, and I think they're even free, but it's certainly not a native format.
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• 3009[22:31:20] <jhutchins> eset: You're trying to connect an apple product to a VPN?
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• 3012[22:32:53] <jhutchins> eset: "Unable to open password file" looks pretty straightforward to me.
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• 3014[22:33:50] <mender27> Evening everyone :).
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• 3017[22:34:54] <eset> jhutchins: trying to connect like this: iPad -> VPN Server on Debian L2TP/IPsec
• 3018[22:35:19] <eset> jhutchins: for me also but I don't know why it looks for password file in that location
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• 3020[22:36:47] <jhutchins> eset: Where do you expect it to look?
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• 3022[22:37:29] <eset> jhutchins /etc/ppp/chap-secrets
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• 3026[22:37:40] <eset> there are users and their password stored
• 3027[22:37:52] <eset> in /etc/ipsec.secret is pre-shared-key
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• 3029[22:37:56] <jhutchins> You have not told your software that.
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• 3031[22:38:05] <eset> it works on Macbook, Android, Windows
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• 3034[22:38:27] <eset> only iOS is complaining
• 3035[22:38:36] <jhutchins> eset: Perhaps the mac is using a different protocol that is trying to find a password under ipsec.
• 3036[22:38:58] <jhutchins> eset: Look at the documentation for your server.
• 3037[22:39:15] <eset> jhutchins: That, I figure it out :) I know there is and issue with this configuration. But can't find it.
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• 3042[22:40:24] <jhutchins> eset: Also figure out what protocol the iOS thing is defaulting to, and whether you can change it.
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• 3045[22:41:50] <jhutchins> eset: You could try a symlink.
• 3046[22:42:23] <eset> jhutchins: I think it's not stupid idea after all :)
• 3047[22:42:31] <eset> Ok I will try it
• 3048[22:43:05] <eset> but first I need find any ios emulator or virtual machine or thing like that because person who had problem with ipad vpn connection is gone now.
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• 3052[22:44:08] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
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• 3054[22:44:22] <SanchoPensa> do you know of any tablets, that run with debian?
• 3055[22:44:32] <SanchoPensa> or any linux but android?
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• 3057[22:45:57] <Azrael_-> SanchoPensa: there are some distributors who provide hardware which is certified to work properly with linux
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• 3059[22:46:36] <coke> and there is a touch interface worth using?
• 3060[22:46:48] <SanchoPensa> Azrael_-: does that include tablets?
• 3061[22:47:40] <jhutchins> SanchoPensa: We have heard of people doing that. We hvae also heard of people _almost_ doing it and having a lot of trouble.
• 3062[22:47:44] <SanchoPensa> technically speaking, everything, that operates android should hypothetically run any linux, right? :D
• 3063[22:48:01] <jhutchins> SanchoPensa: There is a debian touch project.
• 3064[22:48:10] <jhutchins> !touch
• 3065[22:48:10] <dpkg> touch is, like, a cool command used to create an empty file or used to change file timestamps on existing files. For additional info, man touch.
• 3066[22:48:20] <jhutchins> !touchscreen
• 3067[22:48:25] <SanchoPensa> jhutchins: me too, that's the problem... I am just looking for something, that is possibly not a spyware bug...
• 3068[22:48:56] <jhutchins> !debbian touch
• 3069[22:49:04] <jhutchins> !debian touch
• 3070[22:49:17] <jhutchins> I killed dpkg...
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• 3072[22:50:00] <Azrael_-> SanchoPensa: for example: BQ Aquaris M10
• 3073[22:50:08] <coke> made it dpkg touch itself
• 3074[22:50:21] <coke> -it
• 3075[22:50:26] <SanchoPensa> jhutchins: is that something to congratulate you for....? *g*
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• 3077[22:50:59] <SanchoPensa> Azrael_-: interesting, never heard... @ duckduckgo, sec, pls
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• 3079[22:52:05] <SanchoPensa> Azrael_-: how did you find that?
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• 3081[22:53:06] <SanchoPensa> jhutchins: dpkg does actually answer me in a /msg
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• 3083[22:54:08] <jhutchins> Yeah, he seems not to respond if you feed him too many unknows.
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• 3086[22:55:14] <SanchoPensa> woha! replaced-url
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• 3088[22:55:27] <SanchoPensa> jhutchins: troll-protection, possibly...
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• 3093[22:55:44] <missmbob> and it was shit and promptly pulled from market
• 3094[22:56:03] <SpaceAce> what'd be the best way to send raw data to an IP from shell?
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• 3098[22:56:26] <SpaceAce> got a zpl printer listening on 9100, and i have zpl data in a text file
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• 3102[22:57:42] <SanchoPensa> missmbob: lol
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• 3106[22:58:30] <SanchoPensa> other than that, ubuntu nowadays calls home more ofthen thatn adroid does, if you ask me... but that's slightly offtopic now...
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• 3109[22:59:09] <missmbob> if you dont need x gnu root is pretty great to run debian on android. doesnt even require root (dumb name)
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• 3117[23:05:13] <SanchoPensa> it is actually for my kid, so too much tech effort isn't all too helpful, and nope running linux in a sanbox on an android totally defeats the purpose...
• 3118[23:05:38] <SpaceAce> For those curious as to my solution, thanks to dysfigured in ##linux
• 3119[23:05:39] <SpaceAce> <SpaceAce> cat sendthisdataover.txt | nc 192.168.1.101 9100
• 3120[23:05:39] <SpaceAce> <dysfigured> uuoc
• 3121[23:05:39] <SpaceAce> <dysfigured> has the same effect as nc 192.168.1.101 9100 < sendthisdataover.txt no idea if that works tho. did you at least try it?
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• 3124[23:05:48] <SpaceAce> strict as heck
• 3125[23:05:50] <SpaceAce> but yeah
• 3126[23:05:52] <SpaceAce> sorted. thanks guys
• 3127[23:06:25] <SanchoPensa> i think, i willl just get him a thinkpad. no touchscreen.
• 3128[23:06:39] <SanchoPensa> thanks alot for your help, guys!
• 3129[23:06:41] <dysfigured> o.O
• 3130[23:06:48] <SanchoPensa> as always appreciate it!
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• 3136[23:08:04] <fred1807> how do I get a list all packages I have installed, displayed in one single line? (easy to copy and paste into another terminal: apt-get install, command)
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• 3151[23:16:57] <mender27> Would anyone be interested in helping in test and packaging a GitHub game project for Debian? :)
• 3152[23:17:33] <fred1807> github game project for debian only?
• 3153[23:17:57] <mender27> For Debian and Ubuntu, there is a package in Stretch/Testing called unknown-horizons.
• 3154[23:18:22] <mender27> That's from our 2017 January milestone.
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• 3163[23:20:48] <fred1807> Ok, it is a game with its git repo published in github or is it a game somehow based on the github website?
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• 3168[23:22:16] <mender27> fred1807, it's a game with a repository on GitHub. Sorry for not being clear :).
• 3169[23:22:39] <fred1807> ok, can I installed this game on my computer running arch linux?
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• 3173[23:25:16] <Iridos> booo, arch
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• 3181[23:29:31] <mender27> fred1807, this I don't know, but one can run it straight from the git repository once all of the dependencies are satisfied.
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• 3184[23:30:01] <fred1807> mender27: Nice, what is the url ?
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• 3188[23:32:21] <Schwarzbaer__> Hi. I installed Jessie on a notebook (Dell Latitude E5510) a few days ago. It does not go to sleep when I shut the lid, nor do I find anything related to it in Gnome's power settings. I tried uncommenting the relevant options in logind.conf and logged out and in; no change. How should I proceed?
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• 3201[23:37:02] <mender27> fred1807, replaced-url
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• 3204[23:37:20] <awal1> Schwarzbaer__, I think there is something related to that in gnome-tweak-tool
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• 3208[23:38:16] <fred1807> mender27: Nice and I see there are build instructions for windows and osx as well. Se really not a Debian game. Looks like a nice game.
• 3209[23:38:57] <fred1807> mender27: I really dig it
• 3210[23:39:01] <mender27> fred1807, well, it's cross-platform,but it's tested mostly on Debian and Ubuntu. We test the build on Travis CI, which uses Ubuntu.
• 3211[23:39:07] <mender27> fred1807, hehe, that's cool :).
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• 3213[23:39:48] <rysiek|pl> hmmm
• 3214[23:39:54] <rysiek|pl> mender27, fred1807: replaced-url
• 3215[23:40:02] <rysiek|pl> UH is in the debian repos
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• 3217[23:40:24] <mender27> I know
• 3218[23:40:37] <mender27> That's the Python2 version from the 2017.1 milestone.
• 3219[23:40:44] <rysiek|pl> aaah
• 3220[23:40:45] <rysiek|pl> ok
• 3221[23:40:45] <mender27> We're working on a Python3 version now.
• 3222[23:40:53] * rysiek|pl read more of the backlog
• 3223[23:40:57] <rysiek|pl> niiice
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• 3225[23:41:08] <mender27> As in, if it's in Testing/Stretch it should be fairly stable.
• 3226[23:41:20] * rysiek|pl played UH a bit some months ago, it was fun
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• 3229[23:41:34] <mender27> The Python3 version is largely stable, but there are quite some glitches.
• 3230[23:41:34] <rysiek|pl> although it used to become sluggish at times
• 3231[23:41:40] <rysiek|pl> aye
• 3232[23:41:45] <mender27> Yeah, there was a known memory leak.
• 3233[23:42:00] <rysiek|pl> mender27: thanks for the porting effort. not nearly enough projects make the python3 move
• 3234[23:42:06] <mender27> It should be cleaner in the 2017.1 version.
• 3235[23:42:25] <mender27> rysiek|pl, hehe, I know. Unfortunately, there is not enough of me to cover all of them :P.
• 3236[23:42:34] <rysiek|pl> haha :)
• 3237[23:42:48] * rysiek|pl will play UH again, then
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• 3239[23:43:01] <rysiek|pl> although 0 a.d. also looks better and better
• 3240[23:43:31] <mender27> rysiek|pl, Nice! To be perfectly fair, though. The Python3 refactoring effort is the work of the whole team :).
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• 3242[23:43:53] <rysiek|pl> mender27: well I appreciate it no less anyway!
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• 3247[23:44:50] <Schwarzbaer__> awal1, in gnome-tweak-tool's Power tab, there's a menu entry "Power Button Activity", set to "Suspend", and a line "When Laptop Lid is Closed", with no menu; and apparently no effect, either.
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• 3251[23:47:46] <awal1> Schwarzbaer__, I don't have gnome, so no much clue. but yeah, I have seen that stupid line "When Laptop Lid is Closed" with no menu, a confusing option
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• 3253[23:48:21] <awal1> I was refering to that line when I suggested you tweak-tool
• 3254[23:48:35] <mender27> rysiek|pl, if you feel daring, you could field-test Unknown Horizons a bit and post your feedback on GitHub.
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• 3256[23:49:11] <rysiek|pl> I might at some point this week :)
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• 3272[23:59:24] <mender27> Goodnight everyone! :)
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