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• 23[00:14:30] <michael2> hi all. is it possible to enable terminal transparency for any of the following terminal emulators: urxvt-unicode, gnome-terminal, xterm ?
• 24[00:14:45] <michael2> real transparency?
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• 46[00:26:13] <alaric_> sup
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• 63[00:48:23] <vlt> Hello. What program can I use to display black rectangles without any borders or title bars on arbitrary positions on my screen?
• 64[00:48:33] <vlt> (digital black tape)
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• 72[00:51:50] <annadane> well that's one to file under 'weird questions'
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• 77[00:52:40] <vlt> annadane: Sure, but how would you do it?
• 78[00:53:27] <annadane> if i knew that i'd answer it
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• 80[00:53:39] <vlt> The image viewer "feh" takes a "--geometry" argument and "--borderless" \o/
• 81[00:53:57] <annadane> oh. yeah, feh sounds right
• 82[00:54:15] <vlt> But I couldn't manage to show it on top of my MATE bars :/
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• 84[00:54:58] <michael2> im just reading in the user manual:
• 85[00:55:03] <michael2> replaced-url
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• 88[00:56:20] <michael2> it says if you create a ~/.xsession file you completely blow away the system defaults in /etc/X11/ ? is that still true in stretch?
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• 90[00:56:43] <michael2> I mean the defaults for Xsession options
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• 118[01:12:35] <awal1> michael2, " blow away the system defaults in /etc/X11/ ?" ?
• 119[01:12:50] <awal1> what do you mean exactly?
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• 121[01:13:47] <michael2> awal1: blow away ==> "cause them to not be used"
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• 123[01:14:40] <awal1> michael2, nothing change with stretch or in near future
• 124[01:15:04] <awal1> what is your exact goal/"possible issue"?
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• 129[01:18:30] <michael2> awal1: ok thanks. im writing my own ~/.xsession and I'd like to know if all the Xsession directives in the system wide /etc/X11 directory are being ignored (due to the presence of my ~/.xsession) or if they are all still runnig and my ~/.xsession is simply being run in addition to the system wide settings?
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• 138[01:26:31] <michael2> im wondering if there is a simple way I can test? e.g. add a directive to start ssh-agent or set an environment variable - in the /etc/X11 system wide and see if that starts? when X is started
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• 140[01:29:15] <awal1> michael2, my understanding is that all depends on the content of /etc/X11/Xsession
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• 143[01:32:28] <awal1> it looks (I think/not sure 100%) that startx calls the actual debian Xsession script + the content of .xsession
• 144[01:32:57] <awal1> michael2, but I am not sure
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• 149[01:33:54] <awal1> not sure for example what happens exactly if you specify a given x session manager in .xsession , something like exec openbox-session
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• 153[01:35:51] <annadane> it's maybe as simple as /etc/X11/* is default unless overwritten with ~/.xsession
• 154[01:35:56] <awal1> maybe old scholl folks will teach us tonight :P
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• 156[01:36:14] <awal1> school
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• 162[01:39:21] <awal1> annadane that was my first understanding , bcoz I use .xsession, but "This is essentially an execution of the first program which is found in the following order by the exec builtin command.
• 163[01:39:22] <awal1> The script specified as the argument of "/etc/X11/Xsession" by the X display manager, if it is defined." in that debian reference made me confused :D
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• 169[01:41:00] <karlpinc> awal1: The /etc/X11/ scripts are all shell, you could read them or add "logger" lines to them to see what's happening.
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• 171[01:41:12] <awal1> "The script specified as the argument of "/etc/X11/Xsession" by the X display manager" is not totally clear for me
• 172[01:42:07] <awal1> karlpinc, I am not an expert of X stuff but my conclusion is that when you use startx and you have .xsession file, /etc/X11..." is ignored
• 173[01:42:07] <michael2> think it just means that something will have called the script /etc/x11/Xsession - and if -when calling /etc/x11/xsession a script was passed as an argument - it gets run as a priority. e.g.
• 174[01:42:23] <awal1> DM are another story
• 175[01:42:29] <annadane> /etc being global for all users - debian being a multi user system - unless specified by the user in ~/.xsession to overwrite it - but that's just a guess, i don't know
• 176[01:42:59] <michael2> /etc/x11/Xsession <some_override_script_you_want_run_instead_of_defaults>
• 177[01:43:20] <annadane> if root wanted to change a user's .xsession they could just do it (how rude that is is another matter)
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• 181[01:44:37] <awal1> michael2, startx via cli + .xsession = just .xsession is called, /etc/X11/Xsession is ignored
• 182[01:44:52] <michael2> i think there is more to it than a simple change. first the ~/.xsession is only called if the line: `allow-user-xsession' or some such thing exists in /etc/X11/Xsession
• 183[01:45:00] <awal1> display managers I have no clue how they work
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• 185[01:45:24] <michael2> awal1: yes that sounds right
• 186[01:45:33] <awal1> I was checking Xsession script but I got lost :D
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• 189[01:46:27] <michael2> same - I think the display managers consult the contents of /etc/X11/default-window-manager - and use that for the window manager
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• 191[01:49:50] <michael2> if i understand, you can make a ~/.xsessionrc - it will run all the system Xsession code, then run your ~/.xsessionrc code afterwards as an alternative way to keep the system wide code intact
• 192[01:51:35] <awal1> michael2, display manager also will call just .xsession unless it (the display manager) points /etc/X11/Xsession to another script (the meaning of "The script specified as the argument of "/etc/X11/Xsession" by the X display manager")
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• 194[01:53:57] <awal1> .xsessionrc is debianspecific if not wrong
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• 197[01:56:55] <awal1> according to replaced-url
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• 199[01:57:26] <awal1> that was my understanding but the reference manual confused me :D, michael2
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• 201[01:58:03] <awal1> xsessionrc is like "deprecated" and if not wrong debian specific
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• 203[01:58:15] <awal1> dinner time (Y)
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• 208[02:00:19] <annadane> if you're going to test it, test it with something non critical :P
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• 212[02:01:20] <tpanarch1st> hi, bit stuck and in a pickle to be honest, i'm struggling to get ssh access with a password, i've set permitrootlogin to yes, i've set password-authentication to yes i've disabled rsa-authentication
• 213[02:01:28] <tpanarch1st> i've reloaded ssh and reloaded sshd
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• 215[02:01:33] <tpanarch1st> i'm not quite sure what else to do :)
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• 219[02:03:05] <awal1> michael2, also it depends on which window manager you call via .xsession. if you run openbox wm for example "exec openbox" and "exec openbox-session" is not the same; -session will cal /etc/xdg/autostart
• 220[02:03:10] <tpanarch1st> root and my normal username both refuse with Connection closed by 192.168.1.110 port 22
• 221[02:03:42] <tpanarch1st> in auth.log, it would appear that it is still looking for ssh certificates that are no longer there
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• 224[02:04:10] <tpanarch1st> replaced-url
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• 226[02:04:43] <paddy|> hello, how would one go about finding people who can update --> replaced-url
• 227[02:05:07] <annadane> in general, or do you have specific corrections in mind? you can file a bug report
• 228[02:05:30] <paddy|> me? file a bug against the howto?
• 229[02:05:44] <annadane> yes, although i don't know what it would be specifically filed against
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• 232[02:05:51] <awal1> a whish one maybe?
• 233[02:06:02] <annadane> probably a wishlist bug, yeah
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• 235[02:06:30] <paddy|> one example would be to cover cgroups
• 236[02:07:19] <awal1> or you can contact the original author Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña jfs@debian.org
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• 238[02:07:57] <awal1> not sure if the original; that is who I see at the end/last update 2012
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• 240[02:09:01] <paddy|> i thought about that. but maybe the workload of these people is high enough. thats why i wanna try to find helpers :)
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• 242[02:10:25] <annadane> debian doesn't have a dedicated task force like arch or something, unfortunately
• 243[02:13:24] <paddy|> very good suggestions / ideas. more than i expected. thank you
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• 245[02:15:45] <bug> tpanarch1st, if you set PasswordAuthentication yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server and have the port open in your firewall and restarted sshd, it should work with your user regardless of the other settings.
• 246[02:16:43] <annadane> i'd expand on that and just acknowledge that it's a real problem, the somewhat lacking documentation
• 247[02:16:52] <annadane> i don't exactly know how one would fix it
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• 251[02:21:53] <tpanarch1st> ah cheers bug, i'm not quite sure what i'd done
• 252[02:21:59] <tpanarch1st> i'd effectively deleted every key in there
• 253[02:22:14] <tpanarch1st> but then that stopped me from logging in with everything set up properly
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• 255[02:22:44] <tpanarch1st> so as soon as i created the ed2519 or whatever along with two other certs, i was able to log back in again by setting -o password authentication no
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• 257[02:23:00] <tpanarch1st> totally mad but i've now uploaded my new cert anyway, turned everything else off and it works fine with sudo to root
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• 259[02:23:18] <tpanarch1st> i presume that there is some certs that you cannot delete?
• 260[02:24:03] <tpanarch1st> or is there a command to stop it looking for ones that have been deleted please
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• 262[02:26:06] <davesp> If you can "sudo root", you can do anything, right? What command do you want?
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• 265[02:27:20] <tpanarch1st> bug: replaced-url
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• 267[02:27:40] <bug> tpanarch1st, you could try "# dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server" to regenerate sshd host keys.
• 268[02:27:42] <tpanarch1st> davesp: sorry i don't follow your question, yes you can do anything you want, as far as I know
• 269[02:28:10] <tpanarch1st> bug: i've generated them from my laptop and uploaded them
• 270[02:28:36] <bug> i mean for password logins
• 271[02:28:37] <tpanarch1st> i wonder what the total 272 is in that pastebin i sent you bug
• 272[02:29:02] <tpanarch1st> bug: that problem is fixed, i'm on to working out why i have 272 files somehow
• 273[02:29:34] <tpanarch1st> also, why, when i delete all the other certificates, it won't allow me to login (or maybe it will now I have two that are staying?
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• 278[02:32:07] <davesp> Took a look at your pastebin -- okay, bunch of ssh-key-stuff. I'm probably late to the conversation; what task are you trying to accomplish?
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• 280[02:32:36] <tpanarch1st> hi davesp thanks, a) tidy things up b) make things reasonably secure - i fell on some things I didn't understand :)
• 281[02:32:46] <tpanarch1st> what's the 272 about please? I copied everything displayed
• 282[02:35:14] <davesp> If I'm reading your output correctly, "272" is bytes. As in, the file "ssh_host_ecda_key" contains 272 bytes.
• 283[02:35:15] <tpanarch1st> ls - a -l says 288!
• 284[02:35:20] <tpanarch1st> ahhhhhh
• 285[02:35:21] <tpanarch1st> haha
• 286[02:35:28] <tpanarch1st> i thought these are going up by the minute!!!
• 287[02:35:34] <tpanarch1st> am i being hacked lol
• 288[02:36:00] <tpanarch1st> ok, then i said to myself "right, i've messed up the ssh setup royally so I will scrap everything and start again"
• 289[02:36:14] <tpanarch1st> i deleted all my certs, then, when i turned on all the settings to allow password access, I couldn't get in
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• 291[02:36:44] <tpanarch1st> I ended up creating a bunch of certificates and then hey presto, i'm allowed back in again, auth.log said it was looking for a bunch of certificates that did not exist anymore
• 292[02:37:14] <tpanarch1st> i presume there is a command to "decommission" old certificates
• 293[02:37:29] <tpanarch1st> and that deleting them alone is not the correct procedure
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• 299[02:42:14] <davesp> So,"certs" and stuff. You care because?
• 300[02:42:27] <tpanarch1st> i want to make my box secure :)
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• 303[02:46:18] <annadane> why is an audio playing stream on waterfox not showing up in pavucontrol?
• 304[02:46:33] <annadane> well, let me try the usual pulseaudio restart/system reboot
• 305[02:46:42] <davesp> Secure against what?
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• 308[02:47:51] <davesp> (Or, possibly more importantly, whom?)
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• 314[02:49:29] <tpanarch1st> davesp: i run ispconfig for a start :)
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• 317[02:51:11] <davesp> Yeah? "ispconfig: command not found"
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• 319[02:51:28] <siraben> How do I set Tor Browser as my default browser?
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• 322[02:52:40] <annadane> fixed it
• 323[02:52:50] <annadane> (rebooted)
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• 326[02:54:39] <davesp> siraben: This might help" replaced-url
• 327[02:55:11] <annadane> that doesn't look particularly helpful
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• 329[02:56:04] <davesp> Reboots seldom are.
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• 331[02:56:18] <annadane> let me download the browser and check
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• 333[02:57:57] <annadane> siraben, edit - preferences - make default
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• 335[02:58:23] <annadane> if you don't see edit, press alt
• 336[02:58:35] <annadane> or right click and enable menu bar
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• 342[03:03:50] <michael2> does anyone know how to reduce mouse pointer speed in debian stretch? Im not running wayland
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• 344[03:04:15] <annadane> not sure of a CLI method, what desktop are you running?
• 345[03:04:53] <annadane> arch, as always, has an article about this, replaced-url
• 346[03:05:35] <michael2> annadane: i3 window manager, with gnome-desktop tasksel installed
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• 350[03:08:31] <awal1> michael2, synclient
• 351[03:08:56] <michael2> that archwiki article seems only to describe a method (i.e. create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-mouse-acceleration.conf) but that config section disables acceleration.
• 352[03:09:01] <siraben> annadane: Yes but it doesn't work.
• 353[03:09:03] <annadane> (this ties into my earlier point of lacking documentation...)
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• 355[03:09:19] <siraben> annadane: If you try clicking on a link outside Tor Browser, it opens Firefox
• 356[03:09:24] <siraben> I tried so in Emacs
• 357[03:09:35] <annadane> odd. i'm not sure why that is. maybe emacs has its own setting for it
• 358[03:09:39] <michael2> Im trying to decrease ""Device Accel Constant Deceleration" value
• 359[03:09:49] <siraben> annadane: Does it work for you?
• 360[03:09:56] <michael2> actually, increase the deceleration, sorry
• 361[03:10:08] <annadane> this concerns eww and is 3 years old, but replaced-url
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• 363[03:11:02] <annadane> let me check if it's the same for me
• 364[03:11:06] <michael2> awal1: thanks, Im researching how to use synclient now
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• 366[03:11:16] <annadane> (though i'm not using emacs so i'd rather not as it's probably not the same behavior)
• 367[03:11:34] <siraben> So I clicked that link in Emacs and it's not leading me to opening the page in Tor Browser
• 368[03:11:52] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 370[03:11:55] <siraben> Maybe I should ask in #emacs
• 371[03:11:56] <michael2> awal1: is synclient for your mouse - or is it for touchpads?
• 372[03:12:13] <siraben> annadane: Ah thanks, that's what I needed.
• 373[03:12:17] <annadane> maybe. i just did for you, though. :P
• 374[03:12:19] <annadane> oh, good
• 375[03:13:05] <awal1> michael2, excuse synclient is touchpad
• 376[03:13:15] <awal1> xset/xinput for mouse stuff
• 377[03:13:27] <awal1> lxinput for easy config
• 378[03:13:29] <annadane> including mouse speed? okay
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• 390[03:15:47] <michael2> yeah, what works on ubuntu is xinput --set-prop <id> "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" <multiplier>
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• 392[03:16:07] <annadane> mentioning ubuntu is a bannable offense
• 393[03:16:10] <annadane> (kidding)
• 394[03:16:17] <awal1> lxinput for less headache
• 395[03:16:27] <siraben> annadane: Which text editor do you use?
• 396[03:16:40] <annadane> i don't really use any as i don't really program
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• 398[03:16:47] <annadane> basically nano, lol
• 399[03:16:49] <michael2> annadane: ouch.
• 400[03:16:51] <siraben> You don't need to program to use Emacs ;)
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• 403[03:17:01] <bug> michael2, stretch uses xserver-xorg-input-libinput instead of xserver-xorg-input-evdev. it makes mouse speed settings not work. you can revert, but it's tricky.
• 404[03:17:11] <davesp> replaced-url
• 405[03:17:16] <awal1> michael2, xinput can configure touchpad and input stuff, including mouse, ofcourse
• 406[03:17:31] <awal1> read manual :P
• 407[03:17:44] <michael2> awal1: yeah, but not the "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" property thats my issue
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• 409[03:17:50] <annadane> i will *one day* when i'm not being lazy (read: never), learn emacs
• 410[03:18:38] <siraben> annadane: If you decide to, you're always welcome to ask questions in #emacs
• 411[03:18:54] <michael2> bug: is xserver-xorg-input-libinput used in wayland sessions only or any/all stretch graphical sessions
• 412[03:19:00] <awal1> michael2, well, I have no issue with mouse/touchpad so neve rinvestigated that but lxinput pkg description talks about ability to configure speed/sensibility
• 413[03:19:21] <annadane> i hang out there constantly anyway just for the off-topic chatter
• 414[03:19:24] <awal1> that is the lxde gtk frontend for xinput
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• 417[03:20:01] <bug> michael2, all desktops afaik.
• 418[03:20:03] <awal1> so no doubte you can go with it
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• 420[03:20:35] <bug> michael2, xorg.
• 421[03:21:07] <michael2> bug: nice, then there is a glimmer of hope :)
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• 425[03:21:51] <awal1> michael2, Why throw the pricey if you have horses?
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• 427[03:22:14] <michael2> awal1: ?
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• 429[03:22:50] <awal1> you can config your mouse speed easily via a very lightweight/small utility
• 430[03:23:13] <awal1> why headache via cli
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• 432[03:23:26] <awal1> well, if you are trying to learn that is anothe rstory
• 433[03:23:53] <michael2> awal1: if the backend doesn't support the setting, I dont think the frontend will help
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• 437[03:25:14] <bug> michael2, the following works for me. try it at your own risk...
• 438[03:25:20] <bug> michael2, *without rebooting*, purge xserver-xorg-input-all and xserver-xorg-input-libinput, *and* install xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse. then reboot.
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• 440[03:25:31] <michael2> awal1: if a front end worked, I would take it as a win for sure
• 441[03:25:43] <bug> then mouse settings work again.
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• 443[03:25:58] <awal1> michael2, have you even checked lxinput features?
• 444[03:26:04] <awal1> michael2 , from "aptitude show lxinput" ---» "It configures keyboard and mouse settings: * Mouse acceleration and sensitivity"
• 445[03:26:18] <awal1> so?
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• 449[03:26:56] <michael2> awal1: Im trying to configure deceleration constant - its a different thing - more low level than acceleration
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• 452[03:27:35] <awal1> acceleration suposes deceleation boy
• 453[03:27:54] <michael2> bug: when you say "purge ... " you mean "aptitude purge xserver-xorg-input-all" right?
• 454[03:28:14] <michael2> awal1: its the "constant" part that matters
• 455[03:28:20] <bug> yeh, i use apt purge...
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• 459[03:29:54] <michael2> bug: purging `xserver-xorg-input-all' now...
• 460[03:30:16] <bug> if you don't install the other stuff before rebooting you wind if with no keyboard/mouse input at all.
• 461[03:30:30] <bug> wind up*
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• 464[03:32:02] <michael2> bug: yeah - so that means if you suddenly don't hear from me, then you know what happened!
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• 467[03:33:52] <awal1> xset manual ' mouse section may help
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• 469[03:35:07] <michael2> bug: when I tried to unistall xserver-org-input-all' aptitude hit a dependency problem paste is here:
• 470[03:35:09] <michael2> replaced-url
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• 475[03:37:58] <michael2> bug: ok, I'll try `apt'
• 476[03:38:09] <bug> michael2, i remember some dependency issues when i did it too, but i can't remember how i resolved them. i just dicked around with it until it worked.
• 477[03:38:26] <awal1> replaced-url
• 478[03:38:33] <awal1> michael2, ^
• 479[03:38:45] <awal1> arch tutorials are usually nice
• 480[03:39:53] <michael2> bug: well it seems I can resolve the missing dependencies with these new packages you're suggesting.
• 481[03:40:01] <awal1> easy to config following that tutorial
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• 484[03:42:54] <michael2> using apt want to uninstall `task-desktop* task-gnome-desktop' I dont think I can take that
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• 486[03:44:22] <bug> disclaimer: be careful!
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• 491[03:47:12] <michael2> well, there was no other way, than to remove gnome-desktop
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• 493[03:47:40] <michael2> rebooting now, be back soon (hopefully)...
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• 498[03:51:22] <annadane> michael2, um, what are you trying to do?
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• 500[03:52:13] <bug> annadane, he's trying to get stretch xorg mouse settings to work.
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• 502[03:52:23] <annadane> by removing gnome...?
• 503[03:52:35] <annadane> well, whatever
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• 511[03:58:58] <michael2> bug: rebooted my system and it has keyboard input - but i dont have xinit on that machine anymore (im IRCing from a different computing now)
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• 517[04:01:45] <bug> time to reinstall x i guess
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• 519[04:02:28] <michael2> bug: yeah, I just installed `xinit' no prob. Im back in desktop environment now and it looks like it has worked!
• 520[04:03:30] <bug> alright, kudos for having the balls to do it :)
• 521[04:03:57] <siraben> !guix
• 522[04:03:57] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 532[04:07:29] <michael2> bug: hmm, not quite there yet though. xinput is listing the key I want to target, but when I try to set it, im getting the same error as before
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• 537[04:09:57] <michael2> annadane: what I've been trying to do is register a setting "Device Accel Constant Acceleration" on my mouse driver - which doesn't work in stretch with gnome-desktop via xinput command
• 538[04:11:24] <michael2> ah *yes* its working I just gave the wrong xinput id for my mouse, lol
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• 544[04:12:33] <michael2> bug: thanks! :)
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• 546[04:12:57] <bug> np, michael2
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• 550[04:15:10] <michael2> so do you know why those package re-installs were necessary? is it something to do with the fact that buster is going to be on wayland?
• 551[04:15:42] <michael2> (am I correct in that? buster is completely switching to wayland?)
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• 554[04:18:25] <annadane> oh are you on buster now?
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• 556[04:18:58] <annadane> for future reference, #debian is for debian stable, testing/sid are #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)
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• 558[04:19:56] <michael2> no, but Im wondering if - in anticipation of the switch to wayland for buster - the maintainers started re-organising packages during the development of stretch
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• 560[04:20:17] <annadane> the packages in stretch should be frozen
• 561[04:20:18] <michael2> no, Im not on buster I mean
• 562[04:20:29] <bug> michael2, as i understand it the switch from evdev to libinput is part of the gradual transition to wayland, and these are just growing pains,
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• 572[04:25:46] <michael2> bug: thanks for explanation. so thats why those package changes worked. I essentially ripped out the packages which provided libinput and put in packages which put back evdev
• 573[04:26:08] <michael2> worked for fixing my mouse config i mean
• 574[04:26:14] <bug> exactly.
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• 577[04:27:47] <michael2> I have to admit - the transition was seamless - just a few apt commands , out with the new, in with the old, lol
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• 579[04:28:33] <bug> some of us have too much time for mangling our systems comfortably i guess.
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• 667[05:43:08] <siraben> How do I improve battery life on my MacBook Pro 2012 beyond a simple "sudo powertop --auto-tune"?
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• 669[05:46:15] <bug> maybe turn off wifi, the screen/backlight (if possible), anything else that uses a lot of power.
• 670[05:47:03] <emu_rider> Have you tried using tlp?
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• 689[06:04:58] <siraben> emu_rider: What's tlp?
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• 695[06:08:55] <siraben> Does does tlp do?
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• 698[06:10:30] <siraben> What are some good incremental backup systems to use in Debian?
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• 701[06:11:44] <michael2> rsync
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• 703[06:12:33] <siraben> What's a good guide to get started with that?
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• 706[06:12:48] <Epakai> borgbackup does deduplication (similar result to incremental backup)
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• 712[06:16:34] <michael2> siraben: the basic rsync command structure is: you just pass - as argments - the thing you want copied, and the destination path it should become.
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• 716[06:17:58] <michael2> i think default behaviour is that rsync checks if modified time between the source and destination file/s are different or the file size is different it will copy the file over - else it will ignore
• 717[06:18:14] <michael2> ignore == skip
• 718[06:18:50] <emu_rider> siraben: tlp helps increase battery life
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• 875[08:23:18] <siraben> How do I remap Caps Lock as another Control key in the Linux terminal?
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• 885[08:33:38] <alkisg> siraben: man => xkeyboard-config => ctrl:nocaps Caps Lock as Ctrl
• 886[08:33:47] <siraben> Does this work even in the Linux control?
• 887[08:33:55] <siraben> Linux console*
• 888[08:34:00] <alkisg> Some options do; I haven't tried that particular one
• 889[08:34:17] <alkisg> The console supports a subset of those options there
• 890[08:34:39] <alkisg> (see also man keyboard and dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration)
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• 1129[12:32:28] <hassoon> what's happening, i did sudo apt-get install filezilla, then suddenly i got all of that replaced-url
• 1130[12:32:45] <hassoon> getting like 2G+ of data and warning me if i'm sure of what i'm doing
• 1131[12:32:50] <hassoon> what is it
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• 1133[12:33:09] <hassoon> i just did aptget update/upgrade from jessie to stretch earlier, if that counts
• 1134[12:33:15] <hassoon> * apt-get *
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• 1139[12:39:01] <at0m> !tell hassoon about jessie->stretch
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• 1142[12:41:42] <babilen> hassoon: You are probably halfway between jessie and stretch. Please follow the instructions in replaced-url
• 1143[12:41:56] <babilen> (might want to read the rest of those notes also, as you might have missed steps beforehand)
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• 1168[13:01:05] <debnewb> So I've successfully installed Debian for the first time, removing Win10 from my laptop altogether. Problem is I don't have Wi-Fi out of the box. I've tried running iwconfig from terminal and got the following message "bash: iwconfig: command not found". I'm sorry for asking such a simple question but I've looked around online for resources but I can't quite understand the documentation. Can someone point me in the right direction?
• 1169[13:02:08] <alkisg> If you run `ip a`, do you see a name of a wireless card?
• 1170[13:02:56] <debnewb> Yes. I see 2 things. 1 loopback, 2 enp4s0 (which I assume to be my wireless card)
• 1171[13:03:07] <alkisg> That sounds like the wired interface
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• 1173[13:03:20] <alkisg> The wireless one would probably begin with w
• 1174[13:03:40] <debnewb> Hm..Nothing starts with W.
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• 1176[13:04:05] <alkisg> Then you don't have a module for your wireless card. Which one is it?
• 1177[13:04:19] <alkisg> Is it usb-bus based, does it show in lsusb?
• 1178[13:04:33] <at0m> also, replaced-url
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• 1181[13:05:11] <debnewb> My laptop is a Dell inspiring 15-7559
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• 1184[13:06:06] <debnewb> Please pardon my lack of knowledge. I'm deployed overseas currently and only have wifi on my phone atm so researching things is quite slow.
• 1185[13:06:46] <alkisg> I think you need replaced-url
• 1186[13:07:19] <alkisg> I.e. try: apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
• 1187[13:07:30] <alkisg> And then: modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi
• 1188[13:08:11] <hassoon> hell dist-upgrade is up to download 4G+ of stuff
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• 1190[13:08:51] <hassoon> i should use the status name instead of the codename
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• 1195[13:10:02] <debnewb> Roger. Trying those commands now
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• 1197[13:11:10] <at0m> debnewb: lspci and lsusb are your friends to see what hardware you got. i looked at the specs manual on dell's site but its not specific about the wireless card. often you can search the name of the PCI device, or the a1b2:c3d4 returns from lsusb
• 1198[13:11:55] <at0m> that'll give you the real hardware/chip, and i suspect you need to install additional firmware for your wireless
• 1199[13:12:25] <at0m> could be intel, realtek, broadcom,..
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• 1201[13:13:35] <debnewb> So I'll need to install that firmware via usb from someone's pc?
• 1202[13:14:39] <at0m> indeed you'll need a way to move the .deb to your laptop. either dl on your phone and via usb from there, or via another pc..
• 1203[13:15:05] <at0m> iwconfig is part of the 'iw' package
• 1204[13:15:21] <debnewb> Btw I appreciate you all helping me and not shooting me down. I'm new to Linux and just want to get my hands dirty with some sysadmin practice but rn I'm trying to set up wifi to talk back home to my wife.
• 1205[13:15:52] <at0m> if your installation doesn't have NetworkManager, i found wicd a lightweight replacement for it. it has command line, command line UI ('ncurses' interface) and lightweight desktop GUI
• 1206[13:16:12] <michael2> at0m: is it possible to install those firmware packages manually from a dedicated data partition on the hard disk? I know the debian wiki firmware entry says you can manually download wifi firmware package and place it into the root directory of a USB - but seems a waste to buy another usb..
• 1207[13:16:19] <at0m> debnewb: none of us were born knowing debian ;)
• 1208[13:16:52] <alkisg> debnewb: since your laptop has wired ethernet, just try to find a wired connection where you could run apt install
• 1209[13:17:06] <alkisg> It should be easier than copying things around via usb...
• 1210[13:17:16] <at0m> michael2: depends. most often, the firmware is packaged in the repositories. but sometimes, like for my DVB tunercards, you have to dl from the manufacturer's site
• 1211[13:17:21] <introom> what's the minimum installation of KDE in debian?
• 1212[13:17:31] <introom> no music player, no word editor
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• 1214[13:17:39] <introom> just the desktop and the file manager,
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• 1217[13:18:44] <debnewb> lspci is taking forever. Is that normal?
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• 1222[13:19:56] <at0m> debnewb: should be near instant..
• 1223[13:20:01] <michael2> at0m: there is a package for the firmware for my wifi
• 1224[13:20:03] <michael2> replaced-url
• 1225[13:20:08] <at0m> introom: about 250MB download, 600MB installed
• 1226[13:20:31] <debnewb> froze up my mouse and everything. Shucks.
• 1227[13:21:02] <at0m> michael2: yes, most firmware is packaged. could be in non-free, if you haven't added that to your sources.list
• 1228[13:21:15] <debnewb> Hard resetting and trying slush
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• 1230[13:21:41] <debnewb> lsusb
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• 1232[13:22:21] <introom> i don't want the browser either.
• 1233[13:22:32] <Radames> game over baby
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• 1235[13:23:06] <introom> at0m: waht ?
• 1236[13:23:12] <debnewb> Wait, lsusb is for showing usb wireless adapters, correct? If so that foes me no good.
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• 1238[13:23:39] <alkisg> debnewb: in many laptops, the wifi adapter is hooked internally into the usb bus
• 1239[13:23:55] <alkisg> You won't know in which bus your wifi is, until you run lsusb/lspci.
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• 1242[13:25:06] <debnewb> Ive got: ld6b:0003 / 8087:0a2a / lbcf:2b8a / 046d:c332 / and club:0002
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• 1245[13:25:31] <michael2> that realtek-firmware package I linked to is the one for my wifi, my question is, if i am using the official netinstaller with only `main' distribution/archive enabled but I need that firmware to enable my wifi for the netinstaller (I dont have ethernet )- how would I get that firmware-package loaded by the netinstaller? - I guess I can't ?
• 1246[13:25:46] <alkisg> The description is more useful than the pci/usb id :)
• 1247[13:26:08] <debnewb> Linux foundation 3.0 root hub / intel corp / surplus innovation tech / Logitech inc / and linux foundation 2.0 root hub respectively
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• 1249[13:26:41] <alkisg> Those doesn't sound like wifi cards :)
• 1250[13:26:50] <alkisg> Also, it's not l, it's 1 (one)
• 1251[13:26:51] <debnewb> Didn't think so.
• 1252[13:26:56] <debnewb> Oops
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• 1254[13:27:21] <debnewb> Dont know why lspci won't run
• 1255[13:27:23] <at0m> michael2: either manually download the .deb then transfer it over usb, use your phone to tether via USB or use wired network to get started. the reason non-free firmware isnt on most installer media is that including such would render the whole .iso non-free
• 1256[13:27:26] <debnewb> Freezes up my pc
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• 1258[13:28:33] <alkisg> debnewb: try `su -; lshw`
• 1259[13:28:52] <at0m> alkisg: lshw isnt part of default installer .iso :s
• 1260[13:29:02] <alkisg> OK
• 1261[13:29:23] <at0m> but could be, maybe if debnewb got DVD .iso or so
• 1262[13:29:45] <michael2> I dont have ethernet or USB phone tether - but I do have a data partition on my hard disk I can drop the firmware-package onto.
• 1263[13:29:46] <debnewb> Once again freezes terminal
• 1264[13:30:40] <debnewb> I have the full install xfce .iso btw
• 1265[13:31:01] * at0m puzzled as to what could freeze the laptop running just lspci
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• 1267[13:31:17] <alkisg> The dmesg output could maybe help
• 1268[13:31:48] <debnewb> How do i get that output?
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• 1270[13:31:55] <alkisg> You run dmesg
• 1271[13:32:17] <at0m> more conveniently, "dmesg | less"
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• 1273[13:32:30] <at0m> so you can PgUp/Dn
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• 1276[13:33:14] <debnewb> I see tons of output. Looking for anything wifi related
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• 1278[13:34:10] <michael2> what are we trying to do for debnewb? recognise their wifi device manufacturer/model?
• 1279[13:34:41] <alkisg> Yup; although his laptop model supposedly has intel wifi
• 1280[13:34:54] <debnewb> Correct. Find my wireless chipset and configure wifi to a fresh install of debian amd64 face .iso
• 1281[13:35:13] <alkisg> So I told him that `apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi` should be enough..
• 1282[13:35:50] <michael2> maybe their wifi is not on pci bus? maybe lsusb ... is the command?
• 1283[13:35:54] * alkisg loves how phone autocorrect rewrites xfce to face :D
• 1284[13:35:56] <debnewb> Unable to locate package
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• 1286[13:36:20] <debnewb> I've checked lsusb
• 1287[13:36:28] <alkisg> debnewb: see replaced-url
• 1288[13:36:50] <alkisg> E.g. do you have non-free enabled? Have you ran apt-get update after enabling it? Etc
• 1289[13:36:55] <michael2> sounds like you might not have /etc/apt/sources.list configured
• 1290[13:37:52] <debnewb> Let me follow the link real fast. Btw I see some output for iwlwifi saying firmware failed to load multiple times, if that matters
• 1291[13:38:14] <alkisg> Right, do try to install that firmware
• 1292[13:38:17] <debnewb> Brb. Checking that link. (I'm on iirc with phone)
• 1293[13:38:55] <michael2> so what should debnewb do once they get the package? how do you "install firmware" ? I thought the kernel flashed to the device during boot?
• 1294[13:39:17] <alkisg> The kernel module is responsible to load the firmware to the device
• 1295[13:39:25] <at0m> michael2: dpkg -i $package.deb
• 1296[13:39:34] <alkisg> So that would be the next commands, (02:07:30 μμ) alkisg: And then: modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi
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• 1303[13:43:14] <michael2> so installing the firmware doesn't actually install anything it just places all the - firmware containing - files in /lib/firmware/<vendor>/<model> ?
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• 1305[13:43:46] <michael2> then do you need to reboot to get that firmware flashed onto the device?
• 1306[13:43:59] <alkisg> michael2: nowadays firmware isn't flashed
• 1307[13:44:10] <alkisg> Some kind of "RAM" is used rather than a "ROM"
• 1308[13:44:15] <alkisg> So it's always loaded on boot
• 1309[13:44:27] <alkisg> (well, except for BIOS/UEFI firmware, that is)
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• 1311[13:44:47] <michael2> alkisg: thanks, yeah loaded better word
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• 1314[13:45:19] <alkisg> So after installing a firmware package, you need to run modprobe to load the module, yeah
• 1315[13:45:20] <introom> hi
• 1316[13:45:41] <introom> is there any packaing tool (not specific to debian) that instalss software not to the system root
• 1317[13:45:48] <debnewb> Update: added that source to the file named. Attempted to install iwlwifi again and still unable to locate package
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• 1319[13:45:52] <introom> so i can readily purge all the content it installed?
• 1320[13:46:13] <alkisg> debnewb: I haven't understood if you do have an internet connection on the laptop or not
• 1321[13:46:21] <alkisg> If not, how do you expect to find the package?
• 1322[13:46:23] <debnewb> I do not.
• 1323[13:46:30] <alkisg> Then apt-get update obviously failed
• 1324[13:46:34] <debnewb> True. Pardon me.
• 1325[13:46:40] <babilen> debnewb: fwiw, there is a network installer with firmware
• 1326[13:46:44] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
• 1327[13:46:44] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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• 1329[13:47:29] <michael2> alkisg: so then once command `dpkg -i firmware-realtek' has been run - then you definitely must reboot to get the firmware loaded? there is no `modprobe load firmware' command or anything like that?
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• 1332[13:47:57] <alkisg> michael2: I pasted the modprobe command two times already, I don't know how else to tell you "yes" there
• 1333[13:48:18] <babilen> debnewb: Firmware packages can also be downloaded from replaced-url
• 1334[13:48:36] <babilen> debnewb: The lack of firmware on the standard Debian install images is a frequent cause of problems
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• 1336[13:48:56] <debnewb> Alright so that is another .iso. I suppose I'll go to my buddy's room real fast and see if he will let me reformat my usb
• 1337[13:49:18] <alkisg> debnewb: if he has an ethernet cable, just use that for 1 minute, to run apt-get update and apt-get install
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• 1339[13:49:28] <babilen> debnewb: If you have internet connection at the moment you might want to ensure that you have "main contrib non-free" in your sources.list enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list, run "apt update"
• 1340[13:49:59] <debnewb> We are all using barracks wifi which I believe only allows 1 mac address, so I dont think that would work
• 1341[13:50:07] <babilen> So lines in there should look like: "deb replaced-url
• 1342[13:50:28] <debnewb> babilen: I manually added that already.
• 1343[13:50:31] <babilen> debnewb: So your Debian box has no internet at all at the moment?
• 1344[13:50:37] <debnewb> Correct.
• 1345[13:51:39] <babilen> Okay, that's unfortunate .. You could either download the firmware bundle from replaced-url
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• 1349[13:52:15] <babilen> debnewb: It is also quite strange that "lspci" freezes your system .. I haven't seen that before
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• 1351[13:52:45] <michael2> alkisg: sorry, I just did a search through the buffer, and you did mention the modprobe - you didn't ping me in those messages so I wasn't expecting they were directed at me :)
• 1352[13:52:55] <debnewb> I'll just see if i can make another bootable use with the firmware package preinstalled
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• 1354[13:54:03] <babilen> Aye .. you should be able to connect to the wifi during the installation. It might (not sure if that still happens) bug you to "insert the firmware image", which you can ignore and just continue
• 1355[13:54:14] <babilen> Let me check your hardware specs
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• 1360[13:56:34] <babilen> debnewb: Looks as if that device uses a Intel wireless adapters. They should work with firmware-iwlwifi installed.
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• 1364[13:57:23] <debnewb> so /from age/unofficial/non-free/CD-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree should suffice?
• 1365[13:57:47] <michael2> babilen: I dont think the netinstaller is capable of auto-magically connecting to the network using the wifi adapter (even with the non-free installer ) - for me I needed either to have ethernet (which I dont have) or to manually bring up the wifi interface from command line
• 1366[13:57:51] <babilen> debnewb: replaced-url
• 1367[13:58:50] <babilen> michael2: I've installed via wifi using the firmware image before ... but then, I don't really do this too often and am easily convinced that it might not
• 1368[13:59:03] <babilen> (also used ethernet most of the time for the initial installation)
• 1369[13:59:46] <babilen> debnewb: The wiki says "Requires iwlwifi package installation. Unable to use while installing, even with unofficial non-free firmware ISO. Use wired connection during install or non-netinst ISO to get a usable system" for the wifi, which is in line with michael2's comment
• 1370[14:00:14] <babilen> To me it looks as if the best course of action is to grab the fiwmare.tar.gz, unpack it and to install the .deb files with "dpkg -i"
• 1371[14:00:24] <alkisg> +1
• 1372[14:00:26] <debnewb> Okay
• 1373[14:00:40] <michael2> babilen: can you please link to that wiki? yeah, also from the online tutorials thats the experience of other people trying to perform net install over the wifi
• 1374[14:01:00] <babilen> michael2: Linked it earlier
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• 1376[14:01:07] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 1379[14:02:19] <michael2> babilen: thanks
• 1380[14:02:30] <babilen> debnewb: So download replaced-url
• 1381[14:04:24] <debnewb> Downloaded
• 1382[14:04:29] <debnewb> Moving to my usb
• 1383[14:04:40] <babilen> Ah, the latter command has to be run as root. You switch to root by running "su" and typing your root password
• 1384[14:04:54] <babilen> In the long run you might want to install and configure sudo
• 1385[14:05:00] <babilen> dpkg: sudoers
• 1386[14:05:00] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
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• 1389[14:05:32] <debnewb> Can I move that package to the same usb that has my install?
• 1390[14:05:41] <debnewb> Or do I need to clear out the use first?
• 1391[14:06:00] <babilen> sudo allows you to acquire superuser privileges on a per-command basis, so that the command earlier would look like "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/*.deb". You are then asked for your user's password.
• 1392[14:06:04] <debnewb> bootable usb*
• 1393[14:06:31] <babilen> debnewb: Is there enough space on it at the moment or on another partition
• 1394[14:06:32] <babilen> ?
• 1395[14:06:53] <debnewb> Its got lots of space
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• 1397[14:07:03] <debnewb> No additional partitions though i believe
• 1398[14:07:12] <babilen> So you can mount that usb stick at the moment and copy the file to it?
• 1399[14:07:28] <debnewb> Yes
• 1400[14:07:30] <babilen> If that's possible, I see no reason why it wouldn't work :)
• 1401[14:07:50] <debnewb> Which is what I've done. Just wasnt sure if it would affect the usb because it is bootable
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• 1403[14:08:22] <debnewb> Thank you. Ive added the file to the bootable usb and am going back to my box now
• 1404[14:08:29] <babilen> \o/
• 1405[14:10:29] <debnewb> Another problem: when I shut my laptop or it sleeps, the box gets stuck on a black screen with no responses. We can get to that later, of course.
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• 1408[14:11:48] <babilen> That might be related to missing firmware or your graphics driver. I believe that you have a nvidia graphic card which requires proprietary drivers. You can install those by doing the following:
• 1409[14:11:55] <babilen> dpkg: nvidia dkms
• 1410[14:11:55] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
• 1411[14:12:32] <debnewb> Copied firmware.tar.gz to desktop
• 1412[14:12:40] <debnewb> Running the su command now
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• 1414[14:12:47] <babilen> replaced-url
• 1415[14:12:59] <babilen> debnewb: Did you unpack the .tar.gz already?
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• 1418[14:15:10] <babilen> You can do that with "tar -xzf /path/to/firmware.tar.gz"
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• 1421[14:16:24] <debnewb> I guess not cause im getting an error with the dkpg command
• 1422[14:17:09] <babilen> :)
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• 1424[14:18:04] <debnewb> I right clickes the package and tried to extract but no luck
• 1425[14:18:14] <babilen> Copy the firmware.tar.gz file somewhere (e.g. your home directory), open a terminal, then change into that directory with something akin to "cd /home/debnewb" where "debnewb" is the username you chose.
• 1426[14:18:32] <debnewb> Roger
• 1427[14:18:47] <babilen> Then run "tar -xzf /home/debnewb/firmware.tar.gz" which should unpack and result in multiple .deb files
• 1428[14:19:50] <debnewb> There we go
• 1429[14:20:15] <debnewb> Now the su command
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• 1432[14:21:37] <michael2> is the "iwlwifi" package just a huge collection of every wifi firmware debian is aware of - .e.g for the scenario debnewb is in, where they dont know which specific wifi vendor/model they have?
• 1433[14:21:46] <babilen> Pretty much
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• 1436[14:22:00] <babilen> Well, we know it is an intel card
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• 1438[14:22:34] <michael2> oh, how big is it? sounds like a pretty handy package for when installing onto unknown hardware
• 1439[14:22:40] <babilen> But the firmware.tar.gz archive contains all non-free firmware packages. So even if it were a different one that doesn't require additional software, we'd be okay
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• 1442[14:23:17] <debnewb> Got it! Configuring firmware popped up
• 1443[14:23:30] <michael2> nice :)
• 1444[14:23:30] <babilen> michael2: replaced-url
• 1445[14:23:43] <babilen> michael2: Lovely, well done!
• 1446[14:23:52] <babilen> debnewb: ^
• 1447[14:24:00] <debnewb> Agreeing to all terms
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• 1449[14:24:14] <debnewb> Matrix stuff scrolling :p
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• 1451[14:24:24] <babilen> hehe
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• 1453[14:24:40] <debnewb> Now what?
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• 1455[14:24:53] <babilen> Well .. reboot the box to load firmware
• 1456[14:25:01] <debnewb> Also how do I exit super user, since I shouldn't need it anymore?
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• 1458[14:25:02] <babilen> And lets hope that's enough
• 1459[14:25:06] <debnewb> Rebooting
• 1460[14:25:13] <babilen> You can exit that with ... *drumroll* "exit"
• 1461[14:25:23] <debnewb> Lol easy enough
• 1462[14:25:29] <babilen> Or CTRL-D
• 1463[14:25:40] <debnewb> Hopefully this works! Once again, I appreciate everyone's help!
• 1464[14:25:59] <babilen> Well, there are a million things that can still go wrong, but that should get us further
• 1465[14:26:21] <babilen> Unfortunately I'll head off soonish (weather is way too nice in the UK to not head out cycling)
• 1466[14:26:23] <michael2> debnewb: what command did you run that caused the message "configuring firmware" to pop up?
• 1467[14:26:41] <michael2> or GUI button/prompt?
• 1468[14:26:47] <debnewb> Gui
• 1469[14:27:33] <michael2> cool
• 1470[14:27:46] <debnewb> I did su to get into super user. From there I did dpkg -i /path/to/*.deb
• 1471[14:28:49] <babilen> debnewb: replaced-url
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• 1478[14:29:44] <michael2> oh, so then the dpkg pre/post install scripts must have run the modprobe command for you then ? in that case the re-boot was possible unecessary?
• 1479[14:30:48] <debnewb> Bada-bing bada-boom!
• 1480[14:31:01] <debnewb> Restarted and now I can see wireless connections!
• 1481[14:31:05] <babilen> hooray!
• 1482[14:31:11] <michael2> sweet!
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• 1484[14:31:14] <babilen> Congratulations!
• 1485[14:31:16] <debnewb> Thanks ladies and gents!
• 1486[14:31:40] <babilen> Thank yourself .. you found the right place to ask, provided enough information for us to be able to help you and were able to follow our advice
• 1487[14:32:06] <babilen> Now "apt update", "apt install sudo" and "adduser your_username sudo" as root (remember 'su')
• 1488[14:32:30] <babilen> Once that's done, relogin and you can use "sudo <command>" to run <command> with superuser privileges
• 1489[14:32:33] <debnewb> Good thing I found iirc because my phone is dying pretty rapidly and I dont have enough wall warts to plug everything in at once lol
• 1490[14:32:39] <debnewb> Deployment sucks.
• 1491[14:32:49] <babilen> Where are you btw?
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• 1493[14:33:22] <debnewb> For comsec purposes I have to keep it general but I can tell you I'm near Norway atm.
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• 1495[14:33:31] <babilen> Can you run "lspci -nn" without it freezing now?
• 1496[14:33:38] <debnewb> I'll try it out
• 1497[14:33:47] <babilen> debnewb: fair enough .. just idle chatter and bit of a human touch :)
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• 1502[14:34:32] <debnewb> Command frozs up term again lol
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• 1504[14:34:42] <babilen> You might also want to upgrade your software with "apt update" followed by "apt upgrade" or "apt full-upgrade" (the latter removes packages as well, so be careful)
• 1505[14:35:02] <babilen> Curious .. that command should™ work just fine. Must be something weird about your hardware :-/
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• 1507[14:36:15] <debnewb> Hmm...the internet icon on my dash doesn't launch any service..I went to apps and clicked FF but now its just stuck with a loading icon on my mouse
• 1508[14:36:27] <debnewb> Perhaps I should run that upgrade
• 1509[14:36:32] <babilen> replaced-url
• 1510[14:37:22] <babilen> I'm heading off now .. Have fun and I hope you enjoy Debian. Look into installing the nvidia drivers (if you do have an nvidia gpu) with
• 1511[14:37:27] <babilen> dpkg: nvidia dkms
• 1512[14:37:27] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
• 1513[14:37:40] <babilen> And sort out interwebs browsers and all that
• 1514[14:37:45] <debnewb> I do. Thank you!
• 1515[14:37:48] <babilen> Have a good day
• 1516[14:39:17] <debnewb> Good day to you as well, kind sir
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• 1527[14:45:45] <michael2> babilen: I think that wifi wiki you linked to a bit out of date. my system (stretch) doesnt have `iwconfig' command
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• 1530[14:47:11] <lysdexic> You may say Im a dreamer
• 1531[14:47:18] <lysdexic> but Im not the only one
• 1532[14:47:36] <lysdexic> oh crap... can't help myself
• 1533[14:47:43] <iwkse> hi, do you know a x11 utility which returns the coordinates of a selected portion of the screen? xwininfo gives me coordinates of a window, I'd like something like this but to allow me to select anything on the screen
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• 1537[14:49:11] <michael2> babilen: ah, I see the command only becomes available (as with all commands in /sbin - becuase of $PATH sanitisation) when you are root
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• 1539[14:49:52] <iwkse> xwininfo has the -root option though
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• 1558[15:06:00] <debnewb> Goodness, even gettinf my web browser to work is a struggle. I'm currently installing Chromium. Hopefully it works
• 1559[15:07:17] <introom> anyone used snap (the package manager)?
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• 1561[15:07:23] <introom> how does it feel compared to dpkg?
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• 1569[15:10:57] <michael2> does anyone know a command to list orphaned dependency packages which are on the system because some package which is no longer required them?
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• 1571[15:11:12] <maxxe> deborphan
• 1572[15:11:31] <maxxe> but you probably need to install it, apt install deborphan
• 1573[15:12:52] <michael2> yeah I installed just now. its not listing the packages I expected.
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• 1577[15:16:22] <michael2> I see, I didn't explain what im trying to do very well. I removed a meta package and I think its left lots of packages on the system - which apt didn't uninstall. im trying to list those packages
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• 1580[15:17:26] <michael2> I think you usually have to do something like :apt-get --auto-remove something - to uninstall them
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• 1586[15:18:57] <maxxe> yeah, but you probably need to remove the main package that the meta package depend on too. then apt autoremove
• 1587[15:19:29] <maxxe> are you using apt-get? try apt or aptitude
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• 1589[15:20:01] <michael2> I usually use a mixture, preferably the aptitude TUI
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• 1591[15:21:23] <maxxe> anyway harddisk space is cheap these days
• 1592[15:21:27] <maxxe> :)
• 1593[15:21:58] <michael2> in aptitude TUI you can just follow the dependency chain by clicking on each dependency package
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• 1595[15:22:12] <maxxe> yeah
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• 1606[15:25:03] <hassoon> wow i like how mpv has becom in stretch
• 1607[15:25:05] <hassoon> * become *
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• 1611[15:27:35] <michael2> ive just connected bluetooth headphone to blueman-manager, does know how to switch the sound over to the bluetooth instead of the main speaker?
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• 1618[15:31:46] <debnewb> This is very frustrating. No internet browser that I've used so far works. I've installed IceWeasel, Chromium, and tried the default Firefox ESR
• 1619[15:32:29] <maxxe> debnewb, what do you mean by works?
• 1620[15:32:46] <debnewb> None of the above even open up.
• 1621[15:33:06] <debnewb> Generally they freeze. I never even make it to the homepage.
• 1622[15:33:15] <debnewb> No window pops up at all.
• 1623[15:33:44] <maxxe> eh? that sounds strage. hardware?
• 1624[15:33:57] <maxxe> *strange
• 1625[15:34:01] <debnewb> Dell Inspiron 7559
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• 1627[15:34:34] <debnewb> Google has informed me that my laptop model seems to be horrible with installing most distros of Linux.
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• 1634[15:39:03] <maxxe> debnewb, but the other stuff works? only the browser that doesn't?
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• 1639[15:39:59] <debnewb> Well the terminal works. I've used it to configure my Wi-Fi. Haven't tried anything else really
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• 1649[15:41:41] <Humatiel> in terminal please type "systemctl status"
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• 1652[15:42:04] <debnewb> Will give it a shot
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• 1654[15:42:56] <Humatiel> debnewb: You can ignore most of the output, we're interested in knowing if the State has degraded or not. It will be red and at the start of the return.
• 1655[15:43:07] <debnewb> Running
• 1656[15:43:32] <debnewb> Perhaps it has something to do with my graphics card? I have no clue.
• 1657[15:43:38] <Humatiel> debnewb: then to answer your question from earlier, your systems services are running correctly. So this is an isolated problem.
• 1658[15:43:52] <debnewb> I've got Nvidia
• 1659[15:44:08] <Humatiel> debnewb: which browser are you trying this on?
• 1660[15:44:35] <debnewb> Chromium, Firefox ESR, and IceWeasel.
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• 1662[15:45:20] <Humatiel> debnewb: in terminal please type "firefox"
• 1663[15:46:42] <debnewb> Done. Terminal moved to next line but hasn't produced any results.
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• 1667[15:47:36] <debnewb> Also the prompt is stuck, aka does not say user@debian on the next line. Just blank as if trying to do something.
• 1668[15:48:16] <debnewb> Mouse has frozen up.
• 1669[15:48:44] <Humatiel> The prompt is unavailable to you because it is being used to keep a live session of firefox open
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• 1674[15:50:11] <Humatiel> to exit the live session of terminal either close the terminal or hit Ctrl + C
• 1675[15:50:41] <debnewb> Couldn't do either. Hard restarted.
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• 1677[15:51:36] <debnewb> As stated previously, the whole box became unresponsive.
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• 1680[15:52:07] <Humatiel> I don
• 1681[15:52:40] <Humatiel> I don't recall if debian installs libnss3 by default. Do me a favor and look in your package manager and see if you've installed libnss3-tools
• 1682[15:52:52] <maxxe> debnewb: sounds like some hardware and driver/firmware problem
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• 1692[16:00:03] <debnewb> I installed libnss3-tools
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• 1699[16:04:32] <Humatiel> debnewb: in terminal please type "pgrep -l firefox"
• 1700[16:05:59] <Humatiel> debnewb: In an ideal world you should get no output from that command.
• 1701[16:07:29] <debnewb> No output
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• 1703[16:09:05] <Humatiel> debnewb: please enter the following command "sudo apt install htop"- this will install a way to view live system processes from terminal. Afterwards please open a second terminal and use the command "top" and keep it running.
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• 1705[16:10:11] <debnewb> Done
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• 1707[16:10:43] <debnewb> Now use the command "Firefox"?
• 1708[16:11:20] <Humatiel> in your first terminal yes, just be sure to keep your second terminal up so you can watch what happens with your resources.
• 1709[16:11:41] <debnewb> Wth...
• 1710[16:11:46] <debnewb> It opened!
• 1711[16:11:58] <Humatiel> It was libnss3 then
• 1712[16:12:08] <debnewb> Thank you!
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• 1714[16:12:19] <Humatiel> you were hanging on cert verification...something in theory patched in 2015
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• 1716[16:12:42] <Humatiel> please restart to ensure all updates are properly integrated
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• 1736[16:22:18] <redondono> hellou
• 1737[16:23:09] <redondono> is there a diferent of first upgrade debian and then install nvidia legacy 304 or first install nvida and then upgrade?
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• 1742[16:24:53] <redondono> in this morning i try to install debian
• 1743[16:24:59] <redondono> but monitor freeze
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• 1745[16:25:24] <redondono> i first upgrade all my system then install nvidia legacy 304
• 1746[16:25:35] <redondono> and monitor freeze
• 1747[16:25:48] <redondono> now i install mint
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• 1749[16:26:43] <MrSlaughter1775> Hello all, this is debnewb
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• 1751[16:26:55] <Humatiel> hey
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• 1754[16:28:23] <Humatiel> redondono: assuming you installed your nvidia packages from a package manager their is no difference in before or after
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• 1759[16:28:59] <redondono> I install from the tutorial on wiki debian
• 1760[16:29:53] <redondono> nouveau freeze, then nvidia freeze
• 1761[16:30:07] <redondono> mint is ok :)
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• 1766[16:32:01] <redondono> I love debian but dont know how to problem fix
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• 1769[16:33:30] <Humatiel> When you install nvidia drivers it will auto-blacklist your nouveau drivers on restart. One reason it suggests doing one right after the update. It's possible you installed nvidia and then performed an upgrade before a restart which may cause some problems.
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• 1785[16:40:27] <Kobaz> having a really weird problem... (jessie)
• 1786[16:40:32] <Kobaz> Reinstallation of libc6-dev is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
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• 1788[16:41:18] <Kobaz> replaced-url
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• 1793[16:48:15] <Humatiel> Kobaz: what is the error message you are getting?
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• 1796[16:49:38] <babilen> michael2: That article is out of date though .. iwconfig has been obsoleted by iw
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• 1800[16:49:54] <Kobaz> that's the error message
• 1801[16:50:03] <Kobaz> i reinstalled libc6-dev via /var/cache/apt/archives
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• 1803[16:50:20] <Kobaz> that fixed my main issue i was trying to resolve
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• 1806[16:50:31] <MrSlaughter1775> babilen, Good news! I got Firefox working, and now I'm speaking with you all via my laptop, not cell
• 1807[16:50:41] <babilen> Very nice :)
• 1808[16:50:48] <Kobaz> Humatiel: so, how would i debug this... why is apt kind of broken at the moment for me
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• 1810[16:52:46] <Kobaz> like all kinds of stuff isn't working right
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• 1812[16:52:58] <Kobaz> # apt-get install flex E: Package 'flex' has no installation candidate
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• 1814[16:53:25] <MrSlaughter1775> Hopefully Steam works pretty easily out of the box. Almost done installing
• 1815[16:53:48] <MrSlaughter1775> Btw, htop is an amazing program
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• 1817[16:54:24] <Kobaz> okay, i figured it out... i rm'd my /var/lib/apt/lists and redid apt-get update
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• 1819[16:54:47] <MACscr|lappy> parted doesnt seem to be part debian jessie installer. my kvm isnt working great, so i need to create a bash script to create 100% partitions on 4 disks. Not sure how to do a one liner for my 2tb disks since parted or gdis arent available
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• 1822[16:56:33] <saltlake> How can I install php7-mysqlnd on debian?
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• 1825[16:58:39] <Humatiel> MrSlaughter1775: I'm glad you like it. Not being afraid of the terminal is important to having a better understanding of linux.
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• 1827[16:59:14] <MrSlaughter1775> Humatiel, That's why I got rid of Win10 altogether instead of dual booting
• 1828[16:59:26] <MrSlaughter1775> I wanted to dive into the (semi) deep end.
• 1829[16:59:43] <at0m> MrSlaughter1775: no more debnewb eh. congrats =)
• 1830[16:59:59] <alkisg> MACscr|lappy: do you mean that you're looking for alternative programs to parted, like sfdisk / fdisk / cfdisk etc?
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• 1832[17:00:35] <MACscr|lappy> alkisg something i can do a one liner with that does gpt and available on my debian jessie installer (since parted and gdisk are not)
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• 1835[17:00:46] <MACscr|lappy> ipkvm isnt working well, so i need to bash script it
• 1836[17:01:03] <MrSlaughter1775> Thanks at0m
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• 1840[17:03:43] <alkisg> MACscr|lappy: afaik, sfdisk does gtp, isn't it available there?
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• 1843[17:05:41] <Humatiel> saltlake: This is a fairly up to date guide on what your asking for. Please follow that and ask specific questions regarding the process itself. replaced-url
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• 1850[17:08:38] <MACscr|lappy> alkisg i havent seen any examples of it doing gpt and available to be scripted. seems thats why gdisk was created
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• 1858[17:13:20] <alkisg> MACscr|lappy: what about replaced-url
• 1859[17:13:32] <alkisg> AFAIK it should be available in the installer...
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• 1887[17:27:09] <MACscr|lappy> "sfdisk doesn't understand GUID Partition Table (GPT) and it is not designed for large partitions."
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• 1890[17:27:36] <MACscr|lappy> nvm
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• 1893[17:27:45] <MACscr|lappy> lol, i was looking at an old man page
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• 2026[18:40:11] <jhutchins> One of the pitfalls of open source software.
• 2027[18:40:25] <darxun> irssi
• 2028[18:42:20] <Robby> irssi is a pitfall?
• 2029[18:42:30] <annadane> yes
• 2030[18:42:40] <annadane> it's a gateway drug to the highly addictive world of IRC
• 2031[18:42:48] <jhutchins> Old documentation is what I was talking about.
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• 2044[18:51:52] <darxun> irssi
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• 2070[19:10:55] <MACscr> jhutchins old documentation has nothing to do with something commercial or open source. they both are plagued with such things and its expected
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• 2088[19:24:13] <mycae> Hi, im having troubles with apt now using SSL, which breaks acng. I've tried to disable it, but I can't get any advertised solution to work
• 2089[19:24:15] <mycae> replaced-url
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• 2094[19:26:01] <Borntuft> Is there a GUI PDF editor for stretch?
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• 2102[19:27:38] <mycae> Borntuft, i assume you are talking about pdfedit?
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• 2110[19:30:18] <Borntuft> mycae, thank you I am not well versed with debian packages. I just made the transition recently
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• 2112[19:31:13] <mycae> There used to be PDFedit, but it was not ported from QT3. replaced-url
• 2113[19:31:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2114[19:31:31] <annadane> see: arch, BSDs for example of good documentation (both of which are free software)
• 2115[19:31:39] <annadane> not that it was implied there are no exceptions
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• 2117[19:32:52] <mycae> with a fair amount of effort it would be theoretically possible to rebuild that
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• 2119[19:33:27] <mycae> probably not an easy task, even for someone with good packaging skills
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• 2140[19:41:39] <alkisg> Borntuft: for simple PDFs, you can just open them with libreoffice
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• 2142[19:42:30] <mycae> Borntuft, in that vein, i've also used inkscape to tweak PDF imagery
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• 2145[19:42:48] <mycae> not so good for multipage things though
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• 2150[19:47:52] <egrain> what's the newest openssh version you guys are using?
• 2151[19:48:11] <annadane> ,v openssh
• 2152[19:48:12] <judd> No package named 'openssh' was found in amd64.
• 2153[19:48:26] <annadane> ,v openssh-client
• 2154[19:48:28] <judd> Package: openssh-client on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u7; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u4; stretch: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u3; buster: 1:7.7p1-2; sid: 1:7.7p1-2
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• 2156[19:48:38] <annadane> whatever it says under "stretch"
• 2157[19:49:21] <egrain> i have this one:
• 2158[19:49:22] <egrain> OpenSSH_7.4p1 Debian-10+deb9u2, OpenSSL 1.0.2l 25 May 2017
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• 2160[19:49:54] <egrain> so deb9u3 is newer.
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• 2162[19:49:58] <egrain> well, tahnks.
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• 2164[19:51:42] <MACscr> Hmm, im having an issue with paritioning and preseeding. Here is the error im getting replaced-url
• 2165[19:51:46] <MACscr> any advice is appreciated
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• 2167[19:52:05] <MACscr> the only thing i did ahead of time was create the mdadm array, but its blank with nothing done to it yet
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• 2171[19:53:12] <egrain> where do you guys store your iptables rules file?
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• 2174[19:53:53] <n28> Wondering if someone could help me take a look. Somehow i've gotten broken packages and I can't figure out why or how.. replaced-url
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• 2176[19:54:54] <alkisg> !bat
• 2177[19:54:54] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2178[19:55:31] <n28> alkisg: Ahh, thank you
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• 2189[19:58:14] <n28> Wondering if someone could help me take a look. Somehow i've gotten broken packages and I can't figure out why or how.. replaced-url
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• 2209[20:03:33] <annadane> experimental, check. ubuntu ppa, check.
• 2210[20:03:36] <annadane> bailing out.
• 2211[20:04:17] <n28> anyone?
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• 2213[20:12:18] <mail-man> Hi all, I've been having problems with GNOME on debian stretch recently. After a few hours of use I can't launch any applications from the dashboard, I get a notification like "Failed to open Firefox ESR - Too many open files" and the software never launches.
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• 2215[20:12:38] <mail-man> If I press alt+F2 and run the "firefox" command, the application launches just fine though
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• 2217[20:13:38] <annadane> n28, i don't know but in general you're mixing multiple repositories and debian releases which is what's known as a frankendebian, leaving you with a tangled spaghetti mess of dependencies. i don't really know where to start with that, though you didn't apt-cache policy the other packages mentioned in the pastebin
• 2218[20:13:54] <annadane> !don't break debian
• 2219[20:13:54] <dpkg> somebody said dont break debian was replaced-url
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• 2221[20:14:29] <annadane> also in future, paste.debian.net is preferred to pastebin.com
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• 2224[20:15:32] <annadane> i would probably just reinstall, but i understand if that's not practical for some people
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• 2233[20:21:32] <n28> annadane: Sounds like i messed up a bit with the repos huh? Well i've been using debian for only about 2 years.. so i guess something like this is bound to come up.
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• 2235[20:21:48] <n28> annadane: When you say uninstall.. what are you referring to exactly?
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• 2237[20:21:56] <annadane> "reinstall"
• 2238[20:22:10] <annadane> because it's likely future upgrades are going to cause headaches, if not outright be impossible
• 2239[20:22:12] <n28> annadane: oh, my apologies. misread.
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• 2241[20:22:44] <n28> annadane: *sigh*, I'm kind of a noob so i'm just trying to understand what i did wrong so i don't do this in the future.
• 2242[20:22:49] <annadane> i personally like having a clean system so i've done my share of wiping everything and starting over, so the system is reliable
• 2243[20:23:20] <annadane> n28, basically, don't mix stable with testing, unstable, or experimental (you *can* do this, but only if you really know what you're doing), and especially not ubuntu PPAs
• 2244[20:23:31] <n28> annadane: oh god.. i just did that a few months ago. The thought of wiping everything again is nauseating.
• 2245[20:23:48] <n28> annadane: Is there no way to revert?
• 2246[20:24:02] <annadane> HOWEVER, it's also possible someone may be able to help you without reinstalling, i myself probably lack the expertise to help you, though
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• 2249[20:24:44] <n28> annadane: Okay.. So i'm assuming the scenario went something like, I added a repo for a specific program.. forgot to remove the repo.. then ran a update and upgrade, and my dependencies got overwritten, etc?
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• 2251[20:25:26] <annadane> n28, i'm not sure there's a way to answer that without a detailed look at the apt logs
• 2252[20:25:33] <annadane> i could be mistaken
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• 2258[20:28:49] <n28> annadane: Okay..well thanks for giving me the place to look
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• 2299[20:46:08] <bug> n28, if you have /home on a separate partition, reinstallation is usually pretty quick and painless.
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• 2303[20:47:38] <n28> bug: Years later... i've finally found out first hand why its good practice to put home on a seperate partition
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• 2307[20:48:22] <annadane> and i guess maybe security precautions
• 2308[20:48:26] <annadane> though i don't know about that
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• 2314[20:49:30] <bug> n28, it's not hard to put it on one now. just make a partition, copy /home to it, and tell /etc/fstab where it is.
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• 2320[20:52:50] <n28> bug: >Make Partition >Edit Fstab... i've done that ONCE before.. and it was when i was attempting to use Arch.
• 2321[20:52:59] <n28> bug: needless to say i'm still using debian.
• 2322[20:53:06] <n28> bug: Guess this is a good time.
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• 2357[21:19:39] <RoyK> n28: it doesn't hurt to learn how it all works under the hood ;)
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• 2615[23:55:42] <jaggz> what controls the editor crontab -e uses when I'm root?
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• 2618[23:56:23] <somiaj> it could be using the altneratives system, so /etc/altenratives/editor or man update-alternatives for configuring that link
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• 2620[23:56:42] <somiaj> though it might check the EDITOR vairable first, if that is set.
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• 2622[23:56:44] <jaggz> I have no VISUAL nor EDITOR env vars set. my normal user account is using vim when I run crontab -e, but root ends up using nano
• 2623[23:57:00] <jaggz> alternatives editor setting is set to vim
• 2624[23:57:26] <somiaj> hmm, unsure what else it could be using then.
• 2625[23:57:34] <jaggz> weird
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• 2627[23:57:45] <jaggz> well I'd like to fix it but I guess I'll just set an env var for now
• 2628[23:58:18] <somiaj> manpage seems to say it defaults to /usr/bin/editor which should point at /etc/alternatives/editor
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• 2631[23:59:54] <somiaj> are you sure you don't have EDITOR set in roots enviorment you are using. Anyways, I'm not seeing anything else in the docs either that could be controling the editor
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