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2[00:00:28] <wonderer> ok peeps
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5[00:00:50] <wonderer> better hit the hay
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6[00:00:55] <wonderer> thx for advise
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7[00:00:56] <wonderer> nn
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10[00:01:57] <Snake727> Does anyone know where to look for
learning hacking?
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11[00:02:34] <Epakai>
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12[00:02:49] <annadane> this isn't really the chat for
hacking, this is for debian support
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13[00:03:08] <Snake727> Sorry, i did a list all channels and
joined one, I'm new to IRC
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14[00:03:11] <annadane> i don't think anyone can
"teach you" hacking, anyway, it's just something you
have to learn yourself
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15[00:03:11] <somiaj> if by hacking you mean breaking the law,
it is off-topic here. Though if by hacking you mean downloading some
open source code and modifying it fit your needs, well debian has
all of its source code available for you to read.
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16[00:03:39] <annadane> there are books and articles if
you're really truly interested
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17[00:03:59] <somiaj> annadane: and it is a vague term,
unfountally now it mostly means b
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18[00:04:04] <jehorn> Yeah, I wasnt sure how to answer that
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19[00:04:07] <Snake727> Know where these are? Feel like a
simple google search will come up with all sorts of weird tutorials
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20[00:04:13] <somiaj> annadane: means breaking into a system,
as opposed to modifying software.
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21[00:04:17] <annadane> yeah i pretty much just assume hacking
means hacking into people's computers
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22[00:04:34] <Snake727> Hacking as in security penetration
testing on my own software and hardware
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23[00:04:39] <annadane> oh, well
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24[00:04:48] <annadane> that's a bit different then
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25[00:04:58] <Snake727> I'm aware of that
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26[00:04:59] <somiaj> Snake727: there are better places to talk
about security testing, this channel is mostly for support of the
debian os.
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28[00:05:06] <annadane> sorry, it's just that we do get
some questions from script kiddies
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29[00:05:15] <Snake727> Yeah i get that
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31[00:05:26] <Snake727> Somiaj, know about a security
penetration channel?
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32[00:05:28] <annadane> somiaj was much smarter by not assuming
:P
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34[00:05:55] <somiaj> annadane: a lot of the original *nix
hackers were not about breaking into things, but the word has
changed meaning.
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35[00:06:12] <annadane> i'm aware
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36[00:06:13] <somiaj> Snake727: I don't, so I can't
really direct you to somewhere more appropriate.
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38[00:06:33] <Snake727> I do have a question related to here
tho, is Gnome a standalone developer or is it a child version of
Debian or Ubuntu?
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43[00:07:17] <somiaj> Snake727: gnome is its own thing, though
it mostly is a linux software.
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44[00:07:28] <somiaj> I don't nkow how portable gnome is
to say the BSD's anymore
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45[00:07:31] <xormor> I use the "oldest" definition
of "hacker" - a "typewriter person", "one
who hacks a keyboard". But the keyboard must be hacked to make
the system do something - like start a process or port scan or
configure or compile - or write code. I do not consider typing on
IRC hacking, unless the user writes to a bot.
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46[00:07:54] <Snake727> What packages do i need to install on
it? Does Gnome accept .tar.xz or .deb?
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51[00:08:33] <somiaj> Snake727: on debian it is best to install
gnome from the debian repos, so you know it has been integrated
intot he debian system.
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52[00:08:36] <somiaj> Snake727: apt install gnome
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54[00:09:03] <somiaj> gnome is such a big project, it takes a
lot of knowledge to compile it and get it functioning from upstream
sources.
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55[00:09:14] <xormor> Snake727, you know "nmap"?
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57[00:09:23] <Snake727> Yes i'm aware of Nmap
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61[00:09:37] <Snake727> I also know how to use it, but ports
are mostly filtered so
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62[00:09:39] <xormor> Snake727, then there is
"wireshark". and "chkrootkit" and
"rkhunter".
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63[00:09:57] <Snake727> I dont know chrootkit or rkhunter
though
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65[00:10:09] <jehorn> I kind of prefer older Gnome 2, so for me
Mate is a good option.
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67[00:10:27] <Snake727> I downloaded Kali Linux which is a
modified Gnome version so im not so sure
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70[00:11:39] <pavlx> hi
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72[00:12:41] <pavlx> why echolink, freedmr, freestar
aren't in the list of free softwares?
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74[00:13:40] <somiaj> pavlx: I'm not seeing any of those
packages in debian, where is this list you talk about. Check out the
license on the software.
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78[00:14:02] <somiaj> Snake727: this is not the channel to
support kali linux
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82[00:14:48] <Snake727> I get that, apologies
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85[00:15:23] <pavlx> Echolink
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87[00:16:32] <somiaj> pavlx: anyways, not sure what this has to
do with debian. Their license look open, but they also are for radio
frequences, and there are laws in various countries that limit what
frequences and power one is allowed to transit. And sometimes to
enforce these laws, non-free licenses have to be included on that
part.
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89[00:17:09] <somiaj> pavlx: but this is a debian support
channel, and this software is not in debian, and it could be for
other reason than the license (could be there is no one to matain
it)
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90[00:17:27] <pavlx> these are software to operate in digital
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92[00:17:40] <cheapie> "You must have an amateur radio
license to use it." according to that page.
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95[00:18:02] <cheapie> I'd think needing a license to use
the software for its intended use is enough to qualify it as
"non-free".
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99[00:18:42] <iw0fzw> i got the license post exame from 1996
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100[00:18:57] <brw> Echolink requires a license, yes
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106[00:20:32] <somiaj> yea, so even though the software itself
my be gpl, there are other regulations on it making it non-free.
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107[00:20:44] <iw0fzw> you find me on
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108[00:20:45] <somiaj> but since the software is not part of
debian, this really isn't a #debian issue
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110[00:21:22] <somiaj> iw0fzw: sure, but this still doens't
get around the issue that the software is not part of debian, and my
guess is needing an amateur raiod license is part of it
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112[00:21:57] <brw> iw0fzw: So you do have an amateur radio
license?
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114[00:22:19] <iw0fzw> but to put in the database of the free
software
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116[00:22:28] <iw0fzw> you can put them
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117[00:22:38] <iw0fzw> yes
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118[00:22:53] <somiaj> "However, this software only support
the Windows operating system and it is closed source." -- what
does this have to do with debian?
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119[00:22:55] <cheapie> iw0fzw: I think the point is that
it's not considered "free" if it's illegal for
most people to use it as intended.
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120[00:23:11] <cheapie> somiaj: I think svxlink (the OSS one) is
the one in question here.
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121[00:23:12] <somiaj> that quote was form the page you linked
for echolink
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125[00:24:45] <iw0fzw> i am authorised from Minister of
Communication, Minister of Defense, Minister of Interior
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126[00:24:53] <somiaj>
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127[00:24:57] <iw0fzw> i made the exame in 1995
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128[00:25:06] <pistache> hi! i'm trying to rebuild ZFS on
Linux from git master, in order to test some experimental features,
but I always end up with RPM macros (systemd_*) in the dpkg hooks
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129[00:25:21] <somiaj> iw0fzw: that is irrelevant, and you still
have not stated what any of this has to do with debian.
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131[00:26:20] <pistache> is there some package to install to
make these macros expand ? i don't understand how the zfs-linux
debian source package is handling that (it does not have the RPM
macros in the result package)
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134[00:26:43] <iw0fzw> and i passed the exame in 1995, in 1996 i
requested the callsign and the Minister of Communication in gave me
iw0fzw, 6 month latet i requested the definitive callsign and they
confirmed iw0fzw
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135[00:26:46] <somiaj> iw0fzw: is your actual question why is
this software not in debian? If so then answer is maybe a mix of it
contains non-free parts and requires some third party license to
even use, so there maybe just little demand.
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136[00:27:12] <jhutchins> With Squirrelmail removed, roundcube
undocumented and not really for non-developers, what other home
webmail server is available in Debian?
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137[00:27:16] <somiaj> iw0fzw: again, this is not related to
debian, please take this discussion to an appropriate place.
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139[00:27:48] <iw0fzw> i'll ask
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140[00:27:53] <bacteria_> hi 4 all
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144[00:28:25] <pistache> is it appropriate to ping a package
maintainer to ask a specific question ?
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145[00:28:26] <iw0fzw> but i am legal, and my callsign too
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150[00:28:44] <jhutchins> iw0fzw: Both of which are irrelevant
here.
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151[00:28:55] <somiaj> pistache: usually no. Best to file a bug
report.
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155[00:29:12] <pistache> a bug report for a question ? my guess
it best not to bother them then :p
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158[00:29:56] <somiaj> pistache: what is your question. Their
mail is public, but it is usually prefered info regrading pacakges
beign discussed in an open form.
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161[00:30:49] <init7> Could someone help me fix this issue i got
this error:
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162[00:31:10] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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163[00:31:12] <somiaj> pistache: it could be there is another
more appropriate place to ask your question than emailing the
matainer.
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164[00:31:19] <pistache> i have trouble rebuilding the debian
zfs-linux package from the new upstream version, either by starting
the packaging from scratch or by importing the new source in
Debian's repo
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166[00:31:52] <somiaj> pistache: what do you mean by importing
the new source in DEbian's repo? trying to use something like
uupdate?
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167[00:32:00] <pistache> there are some tricky alien integration
things for systemd (it's an RPM build script) and I'm a
bit stuck on why the systemd_* macros are not expanded
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168[00:32:09] <AlexPortable> !dpkg reset-root-password
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169[00:32:20] <AlexPortable> dpkg reset-root-password
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170[00:32:20] <dpkg> AlexPortable: no idea
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171[00:32:21] <AlexPortable> dpkg reset-root-password
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172[00:32:22] <pistache> (+ it's a DKMS package, so it
makes it even more complex)
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173[00:32:23] <somiaj> pistache: does the actual debian source
package use this tricky alien integraiton thing, or is it doing
somthing else.
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175[00:32:34] <pistache> yes it does
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177[00:32:58] <somiaj> pistache: there is #packaging on
irc.oftc.net
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179[00:33:16] <somiaj> pistache: are you able to build the
source provided for the debian version just fine?
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180[00:33:24] <somiaj> pistache: have you then tried uupdated?
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181[00:34:05] <pistache> somiaj: yes I can build the Debian
source version just fine, so I will try uupdated
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182[00:34:07] <init7> Could someone help me fix this issue i got
this error:
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183[00:34:24] <pistache> I am now realizing that the Debian
package might not use alien as I thought initially
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185[00:34:36] <pistache> anyway thanks for your help somiaj, i
dont want to bother you more
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187[00:36:05] <greenbagels> somiaj: I fixed it btw, it all was
the kernel issue
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189[00:36:21] <greenbagels> once I actually enabled the correct
feature, it worked
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190[00:36:25] <greenbagels> thanks for the help
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191[00:36:53] <somiaj> pistache: I'm sure the info you seek
is hiden in the debian source package somewhere, so I don't
think emailing the matainer would be appropriate for help.
#packaging in irc.oftc.net may help, and since it kinda deals with
how an offical debian package works maybe #debian-mentors would help
on irc.oftc.net
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192[00:37:04] <somiaj> greenbagels: glad you got it working.
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193[00:37:18] <greenbagels> also, on that note, im trying to see
what rocm is all about, and the only problem is the lack of people
online who have tried working with it lol
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194[00:37:40] <nobody> is apt-get installed by default on debian
stretch?
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195[00:37:44] <pistache> somiaj: indeed, it would not be
appropriate as I can find that by myself. thanks for the pointers
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196[00:37:48] <greenbagels> oh wait
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197[00:38:07] <somiaj> nobody: yes, apt is an important package
and should be installed
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198[00:38:22] <mnuhmnuh> what is uupdated?
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199[00:38:27] <somiaj> !uupdate
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200[00:38:27] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package)
upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if
the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get
source foo; wget -nd
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201[00:38:36] <nobody> I'm having a discussion with someone
and he claims that apt-get isnt installed by default
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202[00:38:51] <somiaj> mnuhmnuh: script to try to use a current
debian package to build a newer upstream versino
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203[00:39:15] <somiaj> nobody: there maybe some strange minbase
setup that woudn't install it, but even this seems unlikely
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206[00:39:56] <somiaj> nobody: i.e. debootstrap
--variant=minbase, but even then 'minbase only includes
essential packages and apt'
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207[00:40:12] <somiaj> aptitude on the other hand, that one may
not be there
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208[00:40:26] <mnuhmnuh> somiaj: so dpkg just said. i'm
running into a lot of devscripts related q. these days. ty.
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212[00:42:49] <tobiasBora> I installed dropbear in order to use
ssh to unlock my luks crypted partition, and I tried several tutos
like this one:
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217[00:43:29] <tobiasBora> the thing is that all these tuto
suppose that the file /etc/initramfs-tools/root/.ssh/id_rsa has been
created during the dropbear install... But I can't find any
such file!
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221[00:44:46] <nobody> somiaj: yes, aptitude is not installed by
default on stretch
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222[00:45:06] <nobody> but apt-get is, I was 99% certain of it
but I had to ask here because I doubted myself
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223[00:45:20] <dondelelcaro> tobiasBora: I think you want to
install dropbear-initramfs, and then you'll have that file
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224[00:45:55] <dondelelcaro> tobiasBora: dropbear was split out
into dropbear-run and dropbear-initramfs a bit ago, apparently, and
so those tutorials are out of date
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225[00:46:21] <nobody> some people seem to think that apt-get is
bad, I really don't get them.
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226[00:46:29] <mnuhmnuh> tobiasBora: "find / -type f -name
id_rsa -print" would brute force find it, if it exists. there
are prettier ways.
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227[00:47:19] <somiaj> nobody: agreed, even the most minimial
install I know of 'minbase' includes apt
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228[00:47:22] <tobiasBora> dondelelcaro: Hum I'm pretty
sure I tried to install dropbear-initramfs, let me check that...
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231[00:48:40] <somiaj> nobody: though with docker and some
containers, maybe there is some strange edge cases trying to strip
even more out of minbase, which well might not be considered debian
anymore.
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232[00:49:20] <tobiasBora> By the way it's funny because I
can try to ssh it even when it's locked, even if it refuses me
because no key is added... Interesting
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234[00:51:08] <mnuhmnuh> nobody:
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238[00:52:05] <tobiasBora> mnuhmnuh: this command does not
return anything
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239[00:52:17] <bwhite> how do I compile ufs module as rw so I
can mount a freebsd partition
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240[00:52:42] <tobiasBora> dondelelcaro: I confirm that
dropbear-initramfs is already installed
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242[00:53:08] <tobiasBora> (as well as dropbear-run)
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244[00:53:37] <mnuhmnuh> tobiasBora: what?
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245[00:54:00] <tobiasBora> mnuhmnuh: well no file named id_rsa
are found
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246[00:54:09] <mnuhmnuh> ah.
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252[00:58:13] <tobiasBora> Hum... I tried to reinstall it, the
keys are indeed created (not sure where it put it then). However at
the end of the install I've an error "dropbear: WARNING:
Invalid authorized_keys file, remote unlocking of cryptroot via SSH
won't work!
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265[01:04:33] <tobiasBora> and the only .pub files are in
/etc/ssh/, but the do not correspond to the keys displayed during
the installation...
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267[01:05:10] <dondelelcaro> tobiasBora: ah, ok. well, you can
easily create those keys if you'd like
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271[01:06:30] <tobiasBora> dondelelcaro: The thing is that I
need to create lot's of these files, also dropbearkey -t dss -f
/etc/initramfs-tools/etc/dropbear/dropbear_dss_host_key (and I
don't even have a folder etc in initramfs-tools, does that mean
that I need to create the whole tree structure inside initramfs?
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274[01:07:56] <tobiasBora> By the way, I've openssh, and
I've already configured a authorized key for root, can it
create a conflict somehow?
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276[01:08:17] <dondelelcaro> tobiasBora: hrm; actually, I'm
thinking that you might not need to create any of those; just a
second
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279[01:09:30] <dondelelcaro> tobiasBora: ok; yeah, you
don't need to create any of those files
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281[01:09:45] <tobiasBora> really? What should I use then?
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282[01:09:56] <dondelelcaro> tobiasBora: you should just have
the host keys, which should be created on install, and then an
/etc/dropbear-initramfs/authorized_keys which specifies the keys to
use
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285[01:10:45] <tobiasBora> dondelelcaro: Hum... In the
authorized_keys I would find my local client keys?
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289[01:12:08] <tobiasBora> dondelelcaro: and where should I find
these host keys?
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291[01:12:25] <tobiasBora> ohhh
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294[01:12:36] <tobiasBora> I missed the /etc/dropbear-* folder,
let me check
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295[01:12:45] <tobiasBora> yes I can see some keys here!
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300[01:14:56] <tobiasBora> Great, I tried to add my own key, no
error like "invalid authorized_keys"! Do I really need to
use the dropbear keys, or can I use my own keys for that?
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306[01:17:35] <tobiasBora> great, I got a shell :D
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308[01:18:23] <tobiasBora> That's just amazing, it works
just great!
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310[01:18:31] <tobiasBora> too simple to be true
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312[01:19:16] <tobiasBora> Thank you very much dondelelcaro!
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313[01:19:54] <tobiasBora> Just one thing: the dropbear and
openssh keys are different, so I get a message like "Offending
ECDSA key, remove with..." each time I switch between dropbear
and openssh. Is it safe to copy the ssh keys in place of the
dropbear keys?
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315[01:21:52] <nobody> mnuhmnuh: apologies for the late reply, I
was in a discussion
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320[01:22:57] <nobody> mnuhmnuh: good job, those are useful
aliases :)
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325[01:26:33] <mnuhmnuh> nobody: i think so. :-) doesn't
take a lot of typing to upgrade my box.
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327[01:27:44] <dondelelcaro> tobiasBora: yeah, you could; the
main reason they aren't is that you probably don't want to
have your host keys on the unencrypted initramfs
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328[01:28:03] <tobiasBora> dondelelcaro: hum make sense
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329[01:28:07] <dondelelcaro> tobiasBora: because that would
potentially enable someone to capture your initramfs and then replay
all of your ssh traffic
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333[01:30:13] <freq> _ ___ _.--.
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334[01:30:14] <freq> \`.|\..----...-'`
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335[01:30:14] <freq> / ' ` , __.--'
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336[01:30:14] <freq> )/' _/ \ `-_, /
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339[01:30:21] <tobiasBora> dondelelcaro: then is is possible to
handle two differents hosts keys? I found a solution involving
"HostKeyAlias server2; CheckHostIP no", but not sure how
it works
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345[01:32:04] <tobiasBora> *not sure if it's secure enough
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346[01:32:10] <tobiasBora> (I guess it is)
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353[01:38:32] <tobiasBora> Hum seems fine, maybe I can even just
use the HostKeyAlias, it seems to work great!
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363[01:42:58] <dondelelcaro> tobiasBora: yeah, that's
actually what I do
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366[01:44:24] <tobiasBora> dondelelcaro: ok great, thank you
veryy much for your help, I don't even know how I would have
figure it out by myself, I cannot see any documation on the
internet. Do you mind if I add this method to some stackexchange
questions? (I can quote you if you want ;) )
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369[01:45:10] <TimApt_> Anyone know who is in charge of updating
apt package manager packages?
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371[01:46:39] <dondelelcaro> tobiasBora: go right ahead; no need
to quot eme
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375[01:47:43] <dondelelcaro> TimApt_: that package is currently
unmaintained
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376[01:47:58] <dondelelcaro> TimApt_: so the QA group is doing
"minimal effort maintenance" of it
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377[01:48:16] <dondelelcaro> TimApt_: someone like you who uses
it would be great to take flam3 over.
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378[01:49:12] <somiaj> I'd also not call this an apt issue.
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382[01:52:12] <TimApt_> Not an apt issue? What kind of situation
is this called? I'm sure it's common for people to come
across software and wonder why it isn't being updated on apt.
All I know about apt is it gets me software easily.
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384[01:53:36] <somiaj> TimApt_: it is an issue with the package
in the debian repository. So the issue is the the debian package,
not apt, the software that can install packages from remote
locations.
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385[01:54:23] <somiaj> TimApt_: In this case you could check bug
reports or the tracker on this package and find out its current
status, like it is unmatained
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386[01:55:13] <somiaj> TimApt_:
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390[01:57:01] <TimApt_> You're saying that I would actually
be in charge of making sure that the right version is available to
the package managers?
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391[01:57:03] <somiaj> TimApt_: there is already a bug for this
too,
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392[01:57:04] <judd> Bug
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394[01:57:41] <somiaj> TimApt_: you would have to go through a
process to get to that point, but if you wanted to and want to learn
how to build packages, you could create a new package and then be
responsible for future updates.
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832[03:47:56] <nurupo> is there a stable debian iso with
non-free firmware? only see testing isos
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833[03:48:03] <nurupo> need to get usb wifi stick working,
don't have ethernet or anything else to connect to the internet
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834[03:48:07] <nurupo> oh, i see
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835[03:48:21] <nurupo> for some reason i thought debian 9 was
buster
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837[03:48:47] <nurupo> which means this is the stable with
firmware then, not testing
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838[03:48:52] <nurupo>
replaced-url
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846[03:50:55] <somiaj> !firmware images
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847[03:50:56] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
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904[04:19:42] <awal1> log of loaded services,
"journal"?
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906[04:20:27] <awal1> just wanted to compare stuff loaded when
using a DM and when not.
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907[04:20:35] <somiaj> awal1: what are you looking for,
journalctl will list logs of all running services, though if you
just want a list of what is running, 'systemctl status'
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908[04:21:29] <awal1> somiaj, I don't want to reboot
seversl times for compare what DM loads vs startx
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909[04:21:40] <RoyK> somiaj: all services that are native to
systemd, that is…
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914[04:22:14] <awal1> previously, kdm and gdm are heavy but now
lightdm also is getting heavy, lasting boot time
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917[04:22:47] <somiaj> RoyK: it should list init.d services as
well because they are units, at least that is my understanding on
the compadability.
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918[04:23:06] <awal1> only wdm and slim still really light
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919[04:23:19] <awal1> so I just use starx
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921[04:24:04] <somiaj> awal1: if you are intersted in boot time,
systemd-analyze
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922[04:24:04] <awal1> but I wanted to understand what happens
exactly; not sure if learn about debian boot stuff or systemd
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928[04:25:03] * RoyK once built a miniature distro from scratch and
somehow likes SysV still, although systemd is nice at times
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931[04:26:11] <awal1> somiaj, yeah I know that but I wanted to
compare when using dm and when not without reboots since I several
times enabled & disabled dm's ; I thought there is an
history log for boot stuff?
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933[04:26:42] <somiaj> there are lots of logs, and there is
journalctl, so I would start looking through them.
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934[04:27:00] <somiaj> RoyK: I think sysv is fine, as it worked
for years, but systemd as an init system added some much needed
features.
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937[04:28:00] <RoyK> somiaj: sure, I just don't get it that
the designers decided to log everything somewhere else instead of
parallel logging to syslog as well, as have been done for decades
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938[04:28:32] <RoyK> hey! let's break unix/posix!
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941[04:29:01] <awal1> nothing in logs about services and such
stuff
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942[04:29:17] <awal1> I guess I have to make a persistent
journal or something like that
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943[04:29:23] <somiaj> sometimes change requires doing things
differntly. Not that I agree with all systemd does, but I'm
willing to adapt. Also, mkdir /var/log/journal then just use
journalctl to get what ever logs you need
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944[04:29:42] <RoyK> awal1: daemon.log should have them if the
processes are doing it correctly
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946[04:30:11] <somiaj> awal1: journalctl can give you all logs
for a paticular service.
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948[04:30:20] <somiaj> what service are you intersted in?
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949[04:30:24] <awal1> somiaj, /var/log/journal i may need yeah.
RoyK, ok checking that
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951[04:30:36] <RoyK> for fucks sake, we've been using
syslog for what - four decades? and now it's just "not
good enough"?
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952[04:31:04] <awal1> somiaj, I have no clue; I'll have to
find which services are loaded with x DM and which not and
vice-versa
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956[04:31:27] <somiaj> usually it is a single service, which dm
you intersted in?
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957[04:31:38] <somiaj> note without the directory
/var/log/journal this is only logs since the last boot
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958[04:31:45] <Tramp> awal1: what about systemctl list-units,
save the output, compare?
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959[04:32:09] <RoyK> is there a "systemctl
get-saneness" command?
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960[04:32:39] <somiaj> RoyK: this is not the place to rant about
systemd.
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961[04:33:09] <awal1> well, I have gdm3, sddm, lightdm and slim
(sid machine, trying stuff :P)
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963[04:33:20] <awal1> Tramp, trying to avoid reboots
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966[04:33:45] <somiaj> awal1: what are you wanting? If you want
time, systemd-analyize can help see what time differnt dms took to
load. If you want logs, journalctl gdm3 for instance
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967[04:33:49] <RoyK> somiaj: I'm not ranting about systemd
itself, just about the logging
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968[04:34:24] <Lvl4Sword> So I'm not sure what exactly my
issue is, but it's *not* hardware related as it *only* happens
when booted into Debian. So a reinstall should be able to fix my
graphical issues
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969[04:34:38] <somiaj> awal1: sorry, journalctl -u gdm3
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970[04:34:42] <Lvl4Sword> Something may have been corrupted
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976[04:37:25] <awal1> somiaj, my goal is simple : when I enable
gdm3 boot process lasts like 2 minutes or so, with startx almost 3
seconds; I wanna find why whithout rebooting every time I
enable/disable DM's for compare. I guess /var/log/journal is
the solution
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978[04:37:36] <awal1> journalctl -u gdm3 -- Logs begin at Wed
2017-12-20 22:10:50 EST, end at Wed 2017-12-20 22:35:32 EST. -- --
No entries --
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980[04:38:21] <awal1> now I'm using startx, all dm's
disabled, so I guess var log journal is required
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983[04:38:56] <awal1> 30 seconds ^:P
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984[04:38:59] <somiaj> maybe gdm3 isn't producing stderr
output, you could also check systemctl status service, and various
things to see how long things take.
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988[04:41:18] <awal1> I'll create var log journal and check
after a few reboots
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994[04:42:13] <awal1> tried this
replaced-url
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995[04:42:40] <awal1> I don't find something for debian
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1258[06:43:17] <awal1> check if this can help you to find which
theme supports both gtk2 and gtk3 (just as regular user): find
$(find ~/.themes /usr/share/themes/ -wholename "*/gtk-3.0"
| sed -e "s/^\(.*\)\/gtk-3.0$/\1/") -wholename
"*/gtk-2.0" | sed -e "s/.*\/\(.*\)\/gtk-2.0/\1"/
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1260[06:43:33] <awal1> excuses
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1262[06:46:10] <jsoft> What is the standard way to do firewalls
in debian/linux these days ? Is there some easy to change scripty
thing or how does it all work?
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1268[06:49:55] <somiaj> jsoft: iptables is the standard, though
there are various frontends to this.
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1269[06:50:26] <awal1> jsoft, my suggestion: ufw (+gufw, if
needed) easy practicale as iptables front-end
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1270[06:50:28] <jsoft> somiaj, What would you cat's
reccomend though? A front end or learning iptables proper?
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1271[06:50:38] <jsoft> awal1, thanks
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1272[06:50:54] <somiaj> learning iptables will give you the most
control, and debian has some predefined scripts to make saving and
restoring rules fairly easy.
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1273[06:51:22] <jsoft> Yeah I can get learning iptables properly
would be useful, but right now I want to just sort basic shit out,
and get on with the real job
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1274[06:51:32] <jsoft> So yeah, thanks, will have a look at ufw
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1276[06:51:51] <somiaj> basic shutout isn't to hard, you
first just deny everything, and then only open the ports you want.
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1277[06:51:58] <jsoft> lol, stands for uncomplicated firewall,
hehe
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1278[06:52:44] <jsoft> somiaj, that was the plan
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1279[06:57:08] <jsoft> Well... that was easy
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1282[06:57:38] <jsoft> Cripes
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1283[06:57:40] <jsoft> All sorted
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1285[06:57:53] <awal1> :D
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1287[06:58:19] <jsoft> Let's see if it persists over reboots
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1304[07:09:47] <epicmetal> "browsers built upon the webkit,
qtwebkit and khtml engines are included in Jessie, but not covered
by security support" -- how can I stop these engines being used
without necessarily stopping their containing packages being
installed (because that would probably cause a dependency
nightmare)?
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1307[07:11:06] <epicmetal> like is there a way to block
networking for them without breaking things?
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1308[07:11:24] <somiaj> epicmetal: not really, you could just
uninstall them.
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1309[07:11:40] <epicmetal> somiaj: I imagine that would break
gnome/plasma badly, though...?
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1310[07:12:16] <epicmetal> i don't currently have debian
installed so i haven't tried... i'm trying to figure out
if it's feasible first
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1312[07:13:19] <epicmetal> i don't want to have to worry
about my DE inadvertently using an insecure lib to connect to the
internet
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1315[07:15:30] <epicmetal> e.g. khotnewstuff or yelp or $deity
knows what
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1320[07:17:15] <somiaj> there are ways to see what packages on a
system depends on webkit by looking at reverse depends. It might be
only the browsers use webkit and not the core stuff, unsure on this
though.
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1323[07:18:39] <epicmetal> somiaj: i'm guessing core stuff
uses it, otherwise why wouldn't the debian project just drop
the hard to maintain browsers? just speculation, though.
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1325[07:19:14] <epicmetal> e.g. it really shocks me that debian
would ship pathologically insecure things in stable
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1329[07:19:45] <epicmetal> seems to run counter to their security
ethos otherwise
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1335[07:20:18] <epicmetal> like why not just ship (supported)
chromium and firefox and drop (or compile-out) everything ele
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1336[07:20:26] <epicmetal> else*
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1341[07:23:16] <somiaj> epicmetal: there are people who like to
use the minimial webkit browsers. A lot of security issues can be
controled by what pages one visits. The debian security team just
can't ensure there isn't envulns.
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1344[07:24:21] <epicmetal> i guess it's a matter of
goals/priorities hey
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1346[07:24:30] <epicmetal> it's just a bit depressing
because it rules out debian for me
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1446[07:28:48] <nix64bit> you can make your own local install,
free to make it as secure as you want
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1456[07:29:33] <epicmetal> nix64bit: i may as well run gentoo at
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1459[07:30:08] <cheapie> If Gentoo suits your needs better, then
run Gentoo :P
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'debian-security-support' pkg
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1616[07:56:46] <epicmetal> awal1: i'm not running debian
yet, i'm trying to figure out if it's suitable
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1633[08:07:35] <somiaj> I don't think the webkit issues are
as big as you are making them out to be. You could also install a wm
and make sure nothing from webkit is installed.
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1637[08:12:24] <nix64bit> the advantage of linux is that you can
customize it for whatever you want, many don't like systemd and
you can use the distro of debian called devuan, you could make your
own distribution if you feel adventurous, debian is great for a
quick desktop and migrates well to a server
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1655[08:21:54] <epicmetal> somiaj: so I basically need to install
Debian to verify my assumptions
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1656[08:22:16] <epicmetal> somiaj: I'm just trying to avoid
that as its time consuming
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1657[08:22:47] <epicmetal> somiaj: I'd argue that insecure
web browsing libs are a reasonably sized issue for a workstation but
I appreciate that you may have a different opinion
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1658[08:23:30] <epicmetal> nix64bit: I'm trying to avoid
hassle. I avoid Ubuntu because universe/multiverse don't have
official security support... something Debian historically was
superior in
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1660[08:23:59] <epicmetal> I was actually extremely happy with
Arch but was having some GPU lockups. Fedora seemed to fix this but
has its own set of challenges
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1669[08:25:05] <epicmetal> e.g. Plasma crashing and not being
able to shut down, missing H264 in web browsers, needing 3rd party
packages, etc.
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1672[08:26:06] <nix64bit> epicmetal: try this
replaced-url
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1677[08:26:59] <epicmetal> nix64bit: no thanks, Debian is already
borderline too old :)
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1678[08:27:16] <jelly> epicmetal: insecure web browsing libs are
typically embedded and only access local documentation or specific
sites. eg. reportbug-ng only renders stuff from bugs.debian.org,
it's not a generic browser
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1679[08:28:28] <jelly> chromium and firefox-esr are the only two
actual gui browser apps
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1693[08:31:54] <jelly> compiling out that would break core
functionality of such a tool
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1695[08:34:03] <jelly> it doesn't stop the user from
clicking on some unsafe link mentioned in a bug report, and it will
open it inside the app
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1696[08:34:48] <jelly> epicmetal: so if you can't stop
yourself from clicking on things, yeah, don't run Debian (or
any OS probably)
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1698[08:38:25] <awal1> epicmetal, do you thinkt (or are you/we
sure) sure that non webkit stuff are totally secure? (I openssl
poodle, apache struts vulnerabilities, and, and, and ...)
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1700[08:39:50] <epicmetal> jelly: "typically" --
that's the thing. I'm no Debian expert and I don't
know all the scenarios, hence the doubt
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1701[08:39:52] <awal1> what a simple extension can do
replaced-url
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1702[08:39:53] <judd> Bug
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1703[08:39:56] <epicmetal> jelly: but I see your point
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1704[08:40:23] <epicmetal> awal1: the point is security patches,
not zero days
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1705[08:40:56] <awal1> epicmetal, debian is very secure
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1706[08:41:07] <epicmetal> awal1: not according to the release
notes
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1707[08:41:10] <epicmetal> ;)
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1708[08:41:23] <awal1> does gentoo ships webkit stuff?
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1711[08:44:16] <epicmetal> jelly: the user can't be expected
to know that all web interactions are user initiated. These libs may
be used programatically. And the websites in question might be
non-Debian (untrusted) ones
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1712[08:44:29] <awal1>
replaced-url
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1713[08:44:44] <awal1> probably all gnu/linux have midori...
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1714[08:44:56] <awal1> all gnu/linux OS's
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1715[08:45:34] <epicmetal> awal1: I see where jelly is coming
from but I have no idea what your point is
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1717[08:46:18] <somiaj> awal1: the difference is gentoo will just
ship the newest version of webkit when upstream fixes any vulns. The
security team doesn't have the time to backport all of these
fixes to ensure debian's frozen version is secure. Partly they
have chosen not to do this because it is a small footprint.
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1718[08:47:06] <awal1> somiaj, right
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1719[08:47:55] <epicmetal> s/can't be expected
to/doesn't/
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1721[08:48:35] <awal1> epicmetal, my point is, there are always
unknown vulnerabilities somewhere; your security depends relatively
on your habits in computing world, web browsing included,
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1722[08:48:45] <epicmetal> awal1: the point is security patches,
not zero days
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1724[08:49:46] <somiaj> epicmetal: I assume the debain security
team would address any major vuln inside of how webkit is integrated
if one is found, but it isn't going to keep up with every
single one that would affect someone running an actual browser using
webkit.
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1727[08:50:43] <somiaj> but it would have to be a major issue
that affected debian on the whole, not like most the vunls which are
related to users browsing the web using a webkit browser.
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1728[08:50:52] <epicmetal> somiaj: I don't mean to be
argumentative, but that assumption isn't supported by the
release notes
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1731[08:51:20] <nix64bit> I dont really understand, isnt webkit
bundled in the browser itself
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1733[08:51:25] <epicmetal> it explicitly says "not covered
by security support"
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1735[08:51:37] <kolnpole> my mail command is not working :
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1736[08:51:45] <kolnpole> any idea whats the issue
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1737[08:51:47] <somiaj> nix64bit: it is a libary framework that
many other applications use to connect via http and https.
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1738[08:52:02] <epicmetal> (and qtwebkit, and khtml)
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1741[08:52:37] <nix64bit> i use node and webpack
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1742[08:53:43] <somiaj> nix64bit: similarly debian testing is not
covered by secuirty support, but that doesn't mean there
isn't situations where a core vuln gets fixed in testing very
quickly, just most aren't.
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1743[08:53:48] <somiaj> epicmetal: ^^
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1745[08:54:56] <somiaj> I'm just givng that example because
I see it happen on very serious seciruty issues. So I would assume a
very serious vuln in webkit that basically made all of kde
vulnarable under normal use would be fixed.
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1746[08:55:43] <somiaj> you can also look at the debian security
tracker and see exactly what known vulns webkit is exposed to.
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1751[08:56:42] <awal1> epicmetal, may i know why focusing in
debian specifically?
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1752[08:56:43] <somiaj> epicmetal: but yes, if you are worried
about ensure that you have every known vuln in webkit fixable on
some desktop machines you handel, debian might not be the best for
you.
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1754[08:57:13] <somiaj> awal1: they are trying to determine if
debian will meet their needs, and are on the fence because of how
debian handels security with webkit.
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1766[09:04:23] <awal1> somiaj, as you said, the vulnerabilities
should have severity menor or normal; if they where RC, debian will
not release them
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1771[09:06:47] <somiaj> epicmetal: if you are still courious,
here is a place you can see status of known vulns in debian,
replaced-url
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1779[09:10:51] <toruvinn> do we have a place listing status of
unknown vulns in debian? that'd be cool. ;-)
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1784[09:11:51] <RoyK> toruvinn: just lookup the vulnerabilities
available and match them against the debian changelog
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1786[09:12:53] <epicmetal> somiaj: I see, that makes sense.
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1788[09:13:07] <epicmetal> jelly & somiaj: thank you
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1791[09:15:07] <epicmetal> toruvinn: haha
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1792[09:15:19] <eck> i'd also like a list of unknown vulns
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1793[09:15:25] <lol-md5> lol
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1794[09:15:30] <gpunk> lol
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1795[09:16:08] <lol-md5> when i shut down Debian i get this
message: A stop job is waiting for /dev/dm-0 (X / 1m30s)
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1806[09:20:15] <somiaj> toruvinn: what do you mean by unknown
vulns? use the security tracker.
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1809[09:20:40] <somiaj> I must be tired if that was supose to be
a joke.
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1810[09:20:52] <toruvinn> somiaj, the joke was there can't
be a list of UNKNOWN vulnerabilities, otherwise they would be known.
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1814[09:22:04] <somiaj> lol-md5: that looks like your lvm is
doing something, and systemd will wait until it is finished to shut
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1815[09:23:12] <epicmetal> or dm-crypt, or... it really does bug
me that systemd isn't slightly more verbose here by default
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1816[09:23:29] <epicmetal> i ended up reducing the timeout from
90s to 10s in system.conf
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1828[09:29:21] <epicmetal> That reminds me of my next question...
can you run a separate dpkg database in a user account that #1
allows the user to install packages to $HOME/.local (or wherever)
and #2 checks the main dpkg database to see if deps are already
installed? For example, I had to compile my own libfoo --with-thingy
and use LD_PRELOAD so randomapp could work properly. I'd like
to package libfoo in $HOME (but not in / because
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1829[09:29:23] <epicmetal> I don't want to mess with the
OS's libfoo)
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1830[09:29:53] <epicmetal> Sort of like an overlay
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1831[09:30:12] <toruvinn> epicmetal, isn't LD_LIBRARY_PATH
better than LD_PRELOAD in such case?
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1832[09:30:14] <toruvinn> just wondering.
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1833[09:30:24] <epicmetal> toruvinn: I think it was that actually
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1834[09:30:29] <epicmetal> LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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1835[09:30:34] <epicmetal> LD_SOMETHING :)
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1836[09:30:43] <toruvinn> ok, as for your actual question i
dunno, but i strongly doubt.
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1837[09:30:44] <epicmetal> I was pretty happy that it worked
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1840[09:31:30] <epicmetal> I feel pretty gross doing "make
install" in a non-sandbox
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1842[09:32:09] <epicmetal> Luckily it's the only lib
I've needed to do this for
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1843[09:33:50] <toruvinn> epicmetal, as long as you're doing
it not as root, it shouldn't hurt THAT much ;-)
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1844[09:33:58] <epicmetal> toruvinn: :)
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1845[09:34:05] <epicmetal> toruvinn: it was as $USER
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1846[09:34:28] <epicmetal> But you can imagine that it would get
messy very quickly if there were additional debs
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1847[09:34:30] <epicmetal> deps*
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1850[09:37:15] <epicmetal>
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1852[09:38:06] <epicmetal> This stuff is so much easier to read
on Arch -- line 38 --
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1853[09:38:26] <epicmetal> --with-jpeg8 is the aforementioned
--with-thingy
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1861[09:42:24] <somiaj> epicmetal: if that flag is needed to
enable it, might depend on how the ./configure script
detectes/decides to enable it.
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1866[09:43:16] <epicmetal> somiaj: I'm just trying to figure
out if the Debian build system explicitly specifies --with-jpeg8
---- it looks to me that it doesn't, assuming dh_auto_configure
doesn't enable it somewhere e.g. via some config file or
something
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1867[09:43:40] <epicmetal> somiaj: but yeah, maybe it's more
complex than that as you say
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1868[09:43:42] <somiaj> epicmetal: as for package recompile, you
can just roll your own packages to modify build options if needed,
or you can install things locally and use something like equivs to
let you system know you have it installed locally.
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1872[09:44:33] <somiaj> epicmetal: the rules contain lots of
overrides. so if runing ./configure will automatically enable jpeg8
if it is found, then it would be enabled without being metnioned. If
the only way to enable that feature is to explicty tell the
configure script to do so, then it would be in the rules if enabled.
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1873[09:44:52] <epicmetal> somiaj: it is internal; it basically
builds a libjpeg.so.8
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1875[09:45:04] <epicmetal> in addition to the default
libjpeg.so.2874973987
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1876[09:45:07] <epicmetal> ;)
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1877[09:45:23] <epicmetal> AFAIK it doesn't care about the
environment
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1879[09:45:41] <epicmetal> Ok thanks
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1882[09:46:15] <epicmetal> somiaj: I'm guessing it takes a
while to learn what dh_auto_* does
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1883[09:46:40] <epicmetal> "A standard set of parameters is
determined"
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1885[09:47:21] <somiaj> this is part of debian helper, the debian
new matainers guide can help make sense of this
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1886[09:48:54] <epicmetal> Seems kind of opaque
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1887[09:49:12] <epicmetal> Makes me wish I persisted with Perl
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1888[09:49:36] <epicmetal> "dh_auto_configure usually
executes the following"
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1889[09:49:40] <epicmetal> _usually_
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1890[09:49:59] <somiaj> things can be overriden
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1891[09:50:01] <epicmetal> I'm guessing I can check the
build logs
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1894[09:50:18] <epicmetal> All this requires a Debian system :\
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1895[09:51:05] <somiaj>
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1898[09:52:01] <epicmetal> somiaj: that helps! Answer: no
--with-jpeg8
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1899[09:53:07] <epicmetal> So Debian/Fedora exclude it, but Arch
includes it
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with USB-attached mouses (not the trackpad of my laptop). what could
be the reason for this and what can I do against itß
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1913[09:58:15] <ZUEH> *?
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1922[10:00:32] <celyr> ZUEH, what do you mean with mouse lag ?
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1924[10:01:07] <ZUEH> when i initiate mouse movement, it takes
about 2 seconds until it reacts (once it reacts there is no lag, but
when I rest the mouse for a few seconds and then move it again, it
happens again)
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1925[10:01:16] <ZUEH> so there is no lag once it is
"activated"
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1927[10:02:39] <celyr> did you try a different mouse ?
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1928[10:02:53] <celyr> what does your dmesg say during all this
procedure
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1929[10:03:04] <celyr> and what if you can /dev/mouse and start
moving ^
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1930[10:03:11] <celyr> if you cat *
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1941[10:07:04] <ZUEH> celyr: /dev/mouse does not exist
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1942[10:07:10] <ZUEH> and dmesg sys nothing about it
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1945[10:08:14] <celyr> well dmesg should say something at least
when you plug in the mouse
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1946[10:08:52] <ZUEH> Logitech USB Receiver as
/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.1/0003:046D:C52F.0004/input/input13
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1947[10:08:57] <ZUEH> input,hiddev0,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Device
[Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-1/input1
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1948[10:09:06] <ZUEH> dmesg output from re-plugging it
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1951[10:09:23] <celyr> is this a wireless mouse ?
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1952[10:09:30] <ZUEH> yes
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1953[10:09:32] <celyr> okay
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1955[10:09:56] <celyr> did you try with a different mouse that is
not wireless ?
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1958[10:10:12] <ZUEH> will do that, good idea...
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1959[10:10:15] <ZUEH> brb
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latest stable now?
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1982[10:17:04] <epicmetal> It's newer than Fedora's
which is impressive
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2031[10:41:09] <kajika> would be nice to have latest firefox
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2041[10:47:42] <bravvve22> hi,am new be,i have tomcat server
thats work just fine,one think is that i have domaine name bought
from some provider,related to my server,when i try to connect to my
webapplication using dns it redirect to it,but in the url bare its
shows the ip addresse of the server how can i fix that,is it tomcat
aspect or other thing
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2043[10:51:25] <edi> bravve22, sounds like a config issue
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2056[10:57:27] <bravvve22> edi:mine or DNS provider server
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2086[11:13:35] <gpunk> it s normal, you have to access your
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2087[11:13:47] <gpunk> hence in apache you have to make a
virtualhost
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2090[11:15:57] <ezra-s> fwiw, you don't strictly need to
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2092[11:16:25] <Ulrar> Hi, quick question. Following the
without-systemd instructions to remove it we set /lib/sysvinit/init
as the new init, but that file doesn't exist. Everything works
fine but I don't understand how, any ideas ?
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2093[11:16:25] <RoyK> you just need a documentroot
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2095[11:16:33] <Ulrar> (I checked, no initramdisk so that's
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2115[11:27:12] <gartral> hello all, how do I tell
xen-create-image what size drive partition I want the vm to have?
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2133[11:40:04] <gartral> nvm figured it out
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2147[11:53:39] <hackieznf> salut
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2207[12:33:47] <petn-randall> Ulrar: Where did you get these
instructions from?
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2224[12:44:58] <Ulrar> But I figured it out, the problem was the
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2225[12:45:02] <Ulrar> without it it boots fine again
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2425[14:34:11] <lidiving> why would my wireless card be lost on
boot while my laptop is plugged in?
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2427[14:34:40] <lidiving> When its not plugged into ac no
problems on boot
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2451[14:56:20] <mar77i> sometimes laptops have a firmware
controlled button to turn wifi on and off, are you sure you
didn't accidentally press it?
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2452[14:57:16] <mar77i> (some ibm thinkpads even have a switch
that's hidden somewhere on the right, which really got me to
fight with rfkill for a while once)
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2461[15:08:20] <somiaj> rfkill can check if there is a hardware
or software block in most cases
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2467[15:12:40] <jgknight> anyone know the relationship between
Ubuntu pkg maintainers and Debian pkg maintainers? i'm looking
to use 'openvswitch-switch-dpdk' on debian, but it seems
to only exist on Ubuntu and i'm not sure why. what would be the
procedure to getting that pkg upstream and available in debian?
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2469[15:13:23] <jgknight> i suppose i could just try dpkg -i on
my debian system, though i'm afraid of what the dpdk
dependencies are and the different versions available on devbian vs
ubuntu
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2474[15:14:27] <somiaj> jgknight: there is some overlap, but not
always. To get a package from ubuntu in debian would be similar to
getting any software into debian, though maybe some work has already
been done by ubuntu.
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2476[15:14:56] <somiaj> jgknight: it would be better to compile
the package from source than dpkg -i it, to get it into debian.
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2479[15:16:11] <jgknight> alright I'll give that a shot, and
probably reach out to the pkg maintainers to see if they plan on
putting it upstream
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2480[15:16:40] <somiaj> there is a guide on the debian wiki about
compiling software from a ubuntu ppa
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2482[15:17:22] <somiaj> jgknight: debian usually isn't
upstream. You could see if there is already an RFP bug (request for
package), and if not file one. Out side of that, unless someone
volunetters their time to do the work to make the package debian
compliant, it won't get into debian.
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2518[15:45:07] <Kristjan> My name is Kristjan. I am in urgent
need for money. Please send me money. For example 70$. Bank account
nr: EE671010010225901016 (Estonia). Name: Kristjan Robam
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2522[15:46:57] <jelly> nice IBAN there. Be a shame if anyone
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2566[15:57:47] <srg> Hi. What mirror should I use? I see that
there's deb.debian.org, httpredir.debian.org, then actual
mirrors like ftp.us.debian.org.....Should I use a redirector? If so,
which one?
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2577[16:00:03] <gpunk> httpredir.debian.org is fine
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2578[16:00:13] <srg> Is there a difference between
deb.debian.org/debian-security/ and
security.debian.org/debian-security/ ?
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2579[16:00:16] <srg> Thanks gpunk
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2584[16:00:32] <gpunk> none
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2604[16:07:35] <sab110> Hi everyone, I run FreeBSD and am
planning on installing Debian as a VM to be able to use two
proprietary programs
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2605[16:08:00] <sab110> I will only need to install a minimal
number of programs, will a 10gb virtual drive suffice?
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2609[16:09:03] <gpunk> go for 20 :)
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2610[16:09:10] <gpunk> 12 can be enought tho
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2611[16:09:38] <jelly> sab110: no GUI? Yes.
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2620[16:11:24] <sab110> I'll need Xorg yes, but I don't
plan on installing any fully desktop
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2621[16:11:45] <sab110> I'll go for 20, don't want to
create more work for myself
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2625[16:13:39] <gpunk> what virtualisation software are you using
?
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2626[16:14:09] <sab110> I plan on setting it up in bhyve
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2627[16:14:50] <jelly> does it support any thin-provisioned disk
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2631[16:16:37] <sab110> assuming that your FreeBSD root is on zfs
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2697[16:36:50] <_rickster_> hey everyone
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2706[16:38:33] <ahmadadnan> hi, i am having problem with vmbr0
which cannot be started. the error is cannot start raise interface.
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2708[16:39:05] <ahmadadnan> the vm is in virtual box, nic bridge
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2739[16:50:09] <sfs> hi
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2741[16:50:20] <sfs> i'm trying to compile my program
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2742[16:50:29] <sfs> it compiles fine on my freebsd
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2743[16:50:40] <sfs> but it fails on debian 7 on a server
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2744[16:50:51] <sfs> the program is really small, 60 lines
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2746[16:51:05] <sfs> the errors are mostly
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2747[16:51:06] <sfs> error: unknown type name 'u_char'
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2748[16:51:21] <sfs> and they are in header files, not in my
program
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2749[16:51:45] <sfs> do i need to include anything or pass some
flag to the compiler?
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2752[16:53:49] <gpunk>
replaced-url
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2753[16:53:53] <gpunk> this might help you
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2757[16:54:51] <sfs> gpunk: yeah, i already saw that
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2758[16:54:57] <sfs> i have typedef unsigned char u_char; in my
code
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2759[16:55:11] <gpunk> so did you try the Cflag trick ?
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2765[16:56:26] <sfs> ok, that returns more errors
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2766[16:56:27] <sfs> error: unknown type name 'u_long'
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2767[16:56:28] <sfs> heh
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2799[17:05:11] <mr_claus> hi, with defining a custom paritioning
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with choose_recipe?
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2811[17:09:09] <Darcidride> Hi everyone, I think i need a python
maintainer here => I met an issue after an upgrade from Buster of
python-cryptography, the issue is this error return :
replaced-url
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2812[17:09:09] <Darcidride> After reading
replaced-url
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2813[17:09:09] <Darcidride> My installed version of
python-cryptography is "apt-cache policy python-cryptography
=> 2.1.4-1" so it's ok...
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2814[17:09:09] <Darcidride> It seems like my python-cryptography
doesn't have the "X509_up_ref"
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2816[17:09:11] <Darcidride> Here is my SSL.py installed :
replaced-url
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2817[17:09:12] *** Darcidride was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please
use
replaced-url
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2829[17:12:17] <Darcidride> Thanks to the bot that kick me for
flooding.. :(
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2830[17:12:21] <Darcidride> Hi everyone, I think i need a python
maintainer here => I met an issue after an upgrade from Buster of
python-cryptography, the issue is this error return :
replaced-url
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2831[17:12:26] <Darcidride> My installed version of
python-cryptography is "apt-cache policy python-cryptography
=> 2.1.4-1" so it's ok... It seems like my
python-cryptography doesn't have the "X509_up_ref"
Here is my SSL.py installed :
replaced-url
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2832[17:12:33] <Mathisen> Darcidride, dont repaste
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2833[17:12:33] <Darcidride> nothing is returned => strange...
So i really need help, Thank you in advance for your help ! :)
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2834[17:12:43] <Darcidride> Oh, so you already saw it ?
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2835[17:12:47] <Mathisen> yes
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2836[17:12:55] <Darcidride> Sorry, i was thinking the bot kick me
after 2 or 3 messages
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2837[17:13:11] <Mathisen> absolute path =
/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/OpenSSL/SSL.py) was last thing
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2839[17:13:39] <Darcidride> Ok so i do the right thing, it missed
some lines
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2842[17:14:35] <Darcidride> Im available for 40min to work on
this, after i won't be, so if a maintainer in here i can work
and test things with him without problem, but after i need to go,
sorry
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2864[17:25:19] <kempo> hi all. i am configuring an ibm m3650
server right now. i setup the network configuration during the
debian installation. it took verly long to partitionate and
overwrite the existing hdd raid. now the machine does not have
internet access anymore, but during the network test it worked. in
case the formating of the devices took so long, is there a way to
reset the ip in the console?
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2894[17:36:44] <Edan777> I everyone!
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2895[17:37:14] <Edan777> Hi* =)
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2910[17:42:45] <brw> yo
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2911[17:43:08] <Edan777> This is my very first time here. I would
like to know if there is any suitable alternative to Skype in the
repositories or any reliable free software I could install on this
distribution
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2918[17:44:52] <mtn> Edan777: I think there are, but almost
nobody will be using them, especially not skype users
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2920[17:45:38] <jelly> if all your friends and family are on
skype then you need a skype client. If you can convince everyone to
use something else then you might have more choice
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2923[17:46:26] <Edan777> Yeahp, my case is that I need it only
for talking to my girlfriend so I am looking for a replacement
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2925[17:47:02] <Edan777> I am bounded to the chromium plugin
version because the desktop version doesn't work well on my
machine
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2926[17:47:23] <Edan777> and I don't want to have windows
installed just for using Skype
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2927[17:48:05] <brw> What about on your smart phone or tablet?
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2928[17:48:08] <jhutchins_wk> Edan777: Audio/Video chat on Linux
has been in a state of "almost working" pretty much as
long as I've run linux.
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2929[17:48:40] <Edan777> I have none of that, brw :/
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2930[17:48:53] <Edan777> I see, jhutchins_wk
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2931[17:49:01] <jhutchins_wk> Edan777: There are some VOIP
clients, but the problem is that you need some kind of central
switchboard for most of them to connect, and the public services are
almost all proprietary.
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2932[17:49:12] <brw> What about Google Hangouts?
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2933[17:49:13] <brw> that should work
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2934[17:49:46] <Edan777> to be honest I am concerned about
privacy as well, since I use it with my girlfriend, so you know...
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2935[17:50:16] <jelly> wonder if there's Signal for linux
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2936[17:51:04] <jelly>
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2938[17:51:17] <Edan777> thanks, jelly.. I will check it out
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2939[17:51:53] <jelly> whether it works on debian is
anyone's guess. The "xenial" codename in repo
definition suggests it's built for ubuntu lts
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2942[17:52:42] <Edan777> yeah... the reason I came here is
because I was wondering if we had any supported software on the
debian repos
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2944[17:52:59] <Edan777> I like to keep my install as
"pure" as possible
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2945[17:54:20] <Edan777> Anyway guys thank you all for your
answers!
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2946[17:54:41] <Brigo> Edan777 what about mumble?
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2948[17:54:48] <Edan777> It is the very first time I use this
channel and I am glad that you do cooperate with each other
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2949[17:54:57] <jelly> I honestly can't recommend any
actually free software right now
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2950[17:54:58] <Edan777> I hope to be with you here more often
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2952[17:55:24] <Brigo> Edan777, are you familiar with
teamspeaker?
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2953[17:55:52] <Edan777> No, Brigo. I have never heard of none of
them.
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2954[17:55:54] <jelly> Brigo: does that do video?
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2955[17:55:58] <Brigo> not sure
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2956[17:55:59] <Edan777> Have you used them?
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2958[17:56:39] <Brigo> it looks like no :-(
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2959[17:56:41] <Edan777> My ideal software would be one with
basically the same functions that Skype has but free software
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2962[17:56:50] <Edan777> and also Debian-supported
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2963[17:57:38] <Brigo> Firefox Hello?
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2965[17:58:36] <Edan777> I think I heard some months ago that
Mozilla discontinued that application. Didn't they?
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2967[17:59:06] <Brigo>
replaced-url
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2968[17:59:13] <Brigo> Edan777, don't know just googling :)
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2969[17:59:27] <Edan777> hehe ok =)
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2974[18:00:18] <Edan777> Never mind, guys. I think I have
gathered some useful information to work with! For now I think I
must stick to Skype until I test the options you mentioned!
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3016[18:23:51] <rlenti> hi guys ineed help fot myql (phpmyadmin)
password.I've just installed phpmyadmin on debian 9 but on
logon i can't access with the password (the password it's
ok).
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3020[18:25:40] <gftg> Edan777: Another option, would be
nextcloud. A fried of mine installed it on his server, then shared a
URL with me, which worked on firefox. This means that the person you
want to speak with, won't need to install any software (other
than the browser).
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3023[18:26:10] <dutchfish> rlenti, did you give it passsword on
install?
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3026[18:26:52] <gftg> Edan777: I'm not sure if that's
possible to do from your home computer (because of port forwarding
restrictions that your ISP might impose), but I'd give it a
try.
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3027[18:26:53] <rlenti> sure
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3031[18:27:41] <rlenti> I've used ubuntu and debian from
years, never had tuhis problem.It's a fresh install of debian 9
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3032[18:27:41] <gftg> Edan777: I think that the nextcloud app
that my friend used was this one:
replaced-url
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3034[18:27:57] <dutchfish> rlenti, the user, is either root or
admin (for the myssql login), i cant remember this at the top of my
head.
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3038[18:28:54] <rlenti> none of the above, tried all passwords
and users.
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3041[18:29:36] <rlenti> I've lso just removed mysql and
phpmyadmin and installed again... all done correctly but on the
login the phpmyadmin won't give me the access
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3045[18:29:48] <dutchfish> rlenti, then use dpkg-reconfigure
phpmyadmin (as root user)
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3046[18:30:13] <Edan777> oh, thanks gftg
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3047[18:30:21] <dutchfish> rlenti, something went wrong on
install time, or mysql isnt configured right
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3048[18:30:23] <Edan777> I will open the link
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3051[18:32:14] <dutchfish> rlenti, and i assume apche2 is already
configured and php is working correctly ... if not use phpinfo()....
to find out
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3053[18:32:38] <dutchfish> s/apche2/apache2
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3056[18:33:51] <dutchfish> rlenti, last thing, check your logs
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3057[18:34:22] <rlenti> dutchfish: OK YOU ARE RIGHT. Yes the user
in this release is "phpmyadmin" instead of
"root" or "admin"... it's the first time in
my life.
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3058[18:34:40] <dutchfish> rlenti, ah, that explains it
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3060[18:35:20] <dutchfish> rlenti, i change it after the default
install anyway, just for security sake
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3061[18:35:23] <rlenti> Thans for help, i've find the
correct Username doing the reconfigure command
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3063[18:35:30] <dutchfish> rlenti, yw
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3064[18:36:17] <xar-> E: The repository 'replaced-url
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3065[18:36:20] <xar-> help ^
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3067[18:36:56] <dutchfish> xar-, that not the correct mantra for
apt/source.list
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3068[18:37:07] <dutchfish> source.list*
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3070[18:37:34] <xar-> i have: deb mirror stretch main
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3072[18:37:44] <dutchfish> xar-,
replaced-url
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3073[18:37:49] <xar-> thanks
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3074[18:37:53] <dutchfish> xar-, yw
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3076[18:38:17] <jhutchins_wk> !stretch sources.list
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3077[18:38:17] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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3078[18:38:52] <xar-> is it because im using a separate mirror?
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3081[18:39:00] <jhutchins_wk> dutchfish: Ach, missed your URL.
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3085[18:39:15] <jhutchins_wk> xar-: No, it's because you
don't have it configured correctly.
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3086[18:39:18] <dutchfish> jhutchins_wk, np, i didnt know the
factoid
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3088[18:39:28] <rlenti> OH NO!
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3089[18:39:34] <dutchfish> xar-, no, thats fine reread
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3092[18:40:31] <xar-> some places the hyphen is used, other the
slash
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3094[18:40:34] <dutchfish> xar-, the devil is in the details, /
or -
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3095[18:40:51] <dutchfish> xar-, the factoid is correct
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3096[18:40:52] <xar-> totally not confusing ha
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3097[18:40:52] <rlenti> phpmyadmin has no permission on any DB,
i've donethe reconfigure and i've seen also root as db
administrator but after i can't access... i don't know...
i will try removing all (mysql + phpmyadmin), rebooting and
recofiguring all.
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3101[18:42:00] <jelly> why do people think removing and
reinstalling can fix things
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3102[18:42:24] <dutchfish> rlange, this might be due to leftovers
of former configs, if this is a brand new reinstall anyway, use
aptitude purge [foo] to uninstall
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3103[18:42:49] <dutchfish> oops that was for rlenti
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3106[18:44:01] <xar-> so it turns out my syntax was fine, I
changed mirrors, problem went away
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3109[18:44:37] <dutchfish> xar-, i am curieus why that is, hold
on
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3111[18:45:03] <dutchfish> xar-,
replaced-url
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3115[18:45:47] <annadane> jelly, because it can, sometimes
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3117[18:45:52] <annadane> but that's more of the exception
than the rule
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3119[18:46:00] <annadane> and shouldn't be the first thing
you try
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3120[18:46:06] <dutchfish> xar-, and security needs another
mirror
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3122[18:46:52] <zomaar> Trying to build glibc using source
package on Debian 8 in an ext4 fs on thin LVM.... and the system
hangs :(.
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3123[18:46:53] <dutchfish> annadane, jelly depends, with logs
along, you are right
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3127[18:48:14] <zomaar> It's in a VPS so hardware issues are
out of the question. I guess it is just the device mapper.
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3129[18:49:00] <annadane> it's bad practice anyway because
you're creating a habit for yourself of guessing what the
problem is instead of actually investigating what the problem is or
asking for help
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3135[18:50:59] <setty> zomaar, did you run with "make
-j" ? Probably gcc is occupying all the cores so the system is
unresponsive
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3139[18:51:41] <zomaar> it has only one core (available), but
it's a real system hang, 120 second freeze messages
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3140[18:51:57] <zomaar> not using a lot of memory, not using
swap, etc.
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3141[18:51:59] <jelly> zomaar: which virtualization solution?
does the host hang or vm?
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3142[18:52:20] <jelly> is the "thin lvm" inside VM or
disk backend on the host?
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3143[18:52:43] <zomaar> I am a guest inside KVM, my thin lvm is
inside my VM
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3147[18:53:29] <zomaar> So my VM hangs.
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3148[18:53:35] <jelly> the fact you're able to get and see
those cpu hung messages means the OS is not hung completely :-)
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3151[18:54:01] <zomaar> correct but that's usually what the
device mapper does :p. Or something similar. I mean like IO queue
problems.
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3154[18:54:37] <jelly> zomaar: 3.16 and jessie lvm2 is probably
too old for reliable thin lvm, might be a genuine bug there
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3155[18:54:48] <zomaar> Yeah I have no choice but to upgrade.
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3156[18:54:50] <jelly> ,v lvm2
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3157[18:54:51] <judd> Package: lvm2 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.02.95-8; jessie: 2.02.111-2.2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.02.168-2; buster:
2.02.176-4.1; sid: 2.02.176-4.1
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3158[18:55:07] <zomaar> Actually I can upgrade LVM2 in part I
think no issues
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3160[18:55:26] <jelly> dunno about userspace. You can try
upgrading just the kernel to 4.9 from jessie-backports and see if
there's any difference?
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3161[18:55:28] <zomaar> Well, none immediately obvious.
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3163[18:55:39] <zomaar> Right, DM should be part of the kernel
right?
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3166[18:55:51] <jelly> ,kernels
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3167[18:55:53] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid:
4.14.0-1-686-pae (4.14.2-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1);
stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch:
4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686
(4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2);
wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
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3168[18:55:54] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy:
3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
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3169[18:56:03] <jelly> !bdo kernel
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3170[18:56:04] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases
are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After
modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To
install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t
stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported
kernel image packages: «aptitude search
'?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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3172[18:56:25] <zomaar> Cause LVM2 is just user space tools right
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3204[19:06:33] <zomaar> Rebooting. I wonder why I can't get
packages from backports by default. Do I have to set
Default-distribution or something?
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3217[19:10:04] <gartral> hey all... I... backed myself into a
corner here and i have no idea how to fix it... I restarted a domU
and it won't come back up, the last entry in that domU's
log is "waiting to die" it's been like that for 10
minutes
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3218[19:10:48] <gartral> er, obviously this is a xen server..
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3220[19:11:21] <jelly> zomaar: backports are not meant to be
default
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3222[19:12:16] <jelly> however, after you install a package from
bpo once manually, apt continues to pull upgrades from there if any
become available
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3255[19:31:25] <mnuhmnuh> zomaar: you need backports mentioned in
/etc/apt/sources.list
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3256[19:31:30] <warai_otoko> poor Kristjan
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3260[19:33:28] <mnuhmnuh> zomaar: eg. "deb
replaced-url
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3262[19:34:15] <somiaj> buster-backports? I doubt there is much
in there.
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3264[19:35:35] <mnuhmnuh> somiaj: even when i kept to stable, i
seldom found any need for backports. "bleeding edge" means
most freshest bugs. ick.
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3268[19:36:22] <somiaj> sure, but buster-backports is more a
place holder until the actual release of buster.
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3270[19:36:35] <somiaj> backports are nice when it is only a pice
of software you want newer.
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3272[19:38:31] <mnuhmnuh> somiaj: place holder prob. true. why
backport when testing is almost as fresh as sid?
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