3[00:01:02] <greycat> Network config in Debian can be done
several different ways. The most basic is via the
"ifupdown" package, which includes networking.service, and
which is configured in /etc/network/interfaces (see interfaces(5)).
47[00:44:53] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
56[00:57:57] <oxek> just to confirm, on debian I should not be
manually adding exectutables to /bin or /usr/bin because apt might
overwrite them. I should instead place them in ~/.local/bin . Do I
understand it correctly?
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74[01:04:13] <somiaj> oxek: you can use /usr/local/bin as well,
$HOME is best if only your user needs, /usr/local provides a full
FHS heirchy to install self compiled software to debian.
78[01:05:40] <somiaj> note /usr/local will take default over
/usr, and could cause conflicts if you have thw same software
isntalled locally in /usr/local and from debian in /usr
79[01:05:43] <sponix> somiaj: how does /opt rate ?
93[01:14:41] <ham5urg> I want to replace exim4 after a standard
installation. I installed msmtp-mta and looking at the
configuration. The examples I've found are using the root
account for sending email. Will this be available to all services?
What about some service which is not running under root?
94[01:14:52] <pingfloyd> oxek: also there's man 7 hier
95[01:15:06] <oxek> anyone know the order of precedence if the
same named binary exists in ~/bin, ~/.local/bin, /usr/bin,
/usr/local/bin, /bin?
96[01:15:23] <oxek> I suspect it goes from left to right
according to $PATH
97[01:15:29] <annadane> yep, that
98[01:15:31] <oxek> but the ~ directories are not in $PATH
99[01:15:46] <oxek> or at least not there when I do `echo
$PATH`
116[01:19:51] <pingfloyd> oxek: so now you need to find an
alternate means that it will be sourced after X is up but before
your start a terminal emulator.
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121[01:20:28] <pingfloyd> there's a lot of different ways
to tackled this whole stupid dilemma. Don't rule out maybe the
best solution of all, changing which DM you use.
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123[01:22:22] <oxek> sounds great... why make things simple,
right?
124[01:22:27] <oxek> I'll see what I can do
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126[01:23:24] <miskatonic> I use startx from the console, so the
profile is already loaded from the outset
127[01:23:30] <ham5urg> The most howtos are describing a
configuration of exim via dpkg-reconfigure. But this lacks the
access-rights. How can a (non-root-server-)program send an email if
the mta is owned by root?
128[01:23:56] <ham5urg> And if exim4 is replaced by mstmp
129[01:24:53] <miskatonic> does lightdm not read Xsession?
130[01:25:01] <pingfloyd> another way, ugly and hackish is say
try editing /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc or ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc <
source ~/.profile
131[01:25:19] <pingfloyd> miskatonic: I can't remember
154[01:31:56] <somiaj> I have functions that check if something
is in PATH before adding it, so I dno't have to worry about
double enteries if .bashrc gets sourced twice
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165[01:37:37] <somiaj> my .profile checks if I'm running
bash, and if .bashrc exists, then sources that, and I do all my
config in .bashrc (since my use case doens't need to
distniguish between interactive and login shells)
166[01:37:51] <somiaj> I've never tired to see what happens
if you create a loop sourcing back and forth.
167[01:38:33] <somiaj> but that does mean my .bashrc often gets
source twiced by the time I open an xterm, hence my functions to
check things fist.
176[01:42:42] <oxek> somiaj: I thought I need a display manager
to have a working lock screen
177[01:43:23] <annadane> lightdm has had tons of reported bugs,
it's kind of funny
178[01:43:36] <somiaj> oxek: not as much anymore, it use to be
startx would run on a different tty, so you could switch to the tty
your ran startx on, but now startx runs on the same tty, and this
isn't the case
222[02:15:48] <oxek> ok I edited my ~/.bashrc to add
~/.local/bin to my PATH and it works
223[02:15:58] <oxek> I can now run anything I placed in
~/.local/bin
224[02:16:47] <oxek> however, I spotted that it added
~/.local/bin to the beggining of my path, which makes me think that
any program that can add stuff to ~/.local/bin can create e.g.
~/.local/bin/ls which will override the functionality of ls
225[02:17:00] <dvs> Why have a ~/.local/bin? Why hide it?
226[02:17:03] <oxek> so I guess I should add ~/.local/bin to the
end of my $PATH, right?
227[02:17:20] <oxek> dvs: I already have ~/.local so I thought I
might use it
228[02:17:26] <oxek> whereas I don't yet have ~/bin
229[02:17:45] <mason> oxek: Traditional is ~/bin. And if
you're worried about system binaries being overridden, have it
show up at the end of your PATH.
230[02:18:11] <dvs> But ~/bin comes already defined?
231[02:18:24] <oxek> dvs: appaerntly not on debian xfce by
default
248[02:23:06] <oxek> somiaj: you're right, I did not spot
that behavior
249[02:23:12] <somiaj> on my system it is in /etc/skel/.profile,
if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then
250[02:23:32] <somiaj> so if you have the stock .profile it
should work, (note not all xsessions read .profile though)
251[02:23:41] <oxek> all I needed to do was create ~/bin and/or
~/.local/bin and they then get added to my path when I source
.bashrc or start new terminal
252[02:24:04] <somiaj> no, ~/.local/bin won't, at least on
the debian .profile I se
253[02:24:18] <somiaj> oh wait it is there, I can't keep up
with all these changes
254[02:24:54] <dvs> somiaj, I see .local/bin in mine too
255[02:25:01] <dvs> how about that?
256[02:25:11] <somiaj> dvs: yea, I overlooked it, didn't
realize both were there.
257[02:25:40] <dvs> oxek, so are you still going to use
~/.local/bin
258[02:26:28] <oxek> dvs: I am willing to learn. I don't
see much difference between the two, except that ~/.local already
exists and contains ~/.local/share so I might as well add bin there
259[02:26:38] <somiaj> seems it was added in bash (4.4.18-1) to
close bug #839155
261[02:27:40] <somiaj> oxek: you can arrange your data in $HOME
however you like, ~/bin was the old standard, all putting it in
.local/bin is put it in a hidden dir
264[02:28:05] <mason> This is the first I've heard of
~/.local/bin - when did it pop into existence?
265[02:28:25] <oxek> I guess if ~/bin was old, then I am gonna
go with ~/.local/bin if that's new
266[02:28:49] <somiaj> mason: more and more things are using
things like this, ~/.local, seems I have some local python and ruby
packages installed there too
267[02:29:10] <dvs> ugh
268[02:29:58] <mason> oxek: It's of course up to you, but
traditional paths mean you won't find yourself on systems where
nothing is where you expect it. Plus, you know,
replaced-url
269[02:30:06] <oxek> dvs: is there any particular problem with
that
270[02:30:19] <mason> oxek: Watch the video and THEN decide.
271[02:30:22] <somiaj> freedesktop.org keeps updating their
stanadrds.
272[02:30:22] <oxek> mason: oh I fully expect to not find things
where I expect them, my memory is not what it used to be :D
273[02:31:02] <dvs> oxek, I don't see why it has to be in a
hidden directory.
275[02:32:46] <themill> most people don't seem to want
~/share and ~/lib and so ~/.local makes sense so that you can have
the normal hierarchy somewhere within ~/ ; at that point
~/.local/bin becomes quite sensible
276[02:32:52] <oxek> dvs: dunno. Something already created
~/.local/share and is putting whole bunch of stuff in there
277[02:33:03] <dvs> I'd be worried if something wasn't
working right because a script is running an old version of a
program hidden in a hidden directory.
278[02:33:48] <oxek> dvs: isn't there a saying like
"tradition is just peer pressure from dead people"
280[02:34:11] <themill> dvs: forgetting that you put something
in ~/.local/bin is no more or less of a problem than forgetting you
put something in ~/bin
281[02:34:48] <dvs> but at least I can see bin in my home
directory and it could ring a bell
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283[02:35:38] <somiaj> seems to be the reason for ~/.config, so
all configurations are more centrally located than each having their
own hidden file/directory, can often tell the age of software by the
conventions it decides to use.
284[02:36:16] <somiaj> just hard for me to keep up with all
these changes
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286[02:40:15] <oxek> I wonder if ~/.bashrc will move to
~/.config one day
292[02:42:54] <somiaj> also due to backwards compadability, I
use fvwm, and it now supports like 8 places to find its config file
as the conventions have evolved over time.
294[02:43:38] <somiaj> so even if bash also used
~/.config/bashrc, it would still want to check ~/.bashrc for
existance if the new place doesn't exsit to not break existing
systems.
325[03:10:28] <DeaDSouL> somiaj: here
replaced-url
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327[03:11:15] <DeaDSouL> somiaj: the docs don't mention
anything about xattrs, onwership or ACL
328[03:11:20] <sponix> DeaDSouL: think he is hinting that Debian
10 stable likely has at least a handful of actually supported backup
programs available
341[03:15:38] <sponix> DeaDSouL: but to answer your original
question. No, I don't know anything about it. If anyone else
does, hopefully they will speak up
342[03:15:44] <DeaDSouL> sponix: I just wanted to give it a shot
here first..
348[03:16:54] <sponix> I am old school and just use rsync .. It
is basic, just like me
349[03:19:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1265
350[03:19:04] <somiaj> in general we only support software that
is included with debian.
351[03:19:40] <DeaDSouL> sponix: I use it too for my own
workstation and servers.. but the reason I went with urbackup, is it
can be used on any OS, and it provides one webui to manage them all,
372[03:30:13] <DeaDSouL> somiaj: it's not just about
owner:group, some of them are having special modes, besides I'm
backing up /home, /etc, /root, /usr/local and /opt
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385[03:45:12] <somiaj> I was more poiting out you could backup a
lot of your user data on this new place that works for you and other
users, but then have a seprate backup for the os. There are tons of
backup models.
398[04:01:17] <sponix> tabb: Logitech C920 you can just plug in,
and have it start working out of the box well
399[04:03:18] <sney> I have a microsoft one that worked out of
the box, too. and it's been years since I've seen someone
need extra work for one of the built-in laptop sort. they all seem
to be UVC
465[05:09:53] <swivel> hello, quick question: I'm trying to
dist-upgrade a small debian container from stretch to buster and it
wants to install mailutils and exim4 garbage when this container
only runs nginx as a proxy and has no mail anything installed
466[05:10:09] <swivel> how do i prevent this nonsense from
getting installed by dist-upgrade
467[05:10:51] <sney> it's probably coming in as a recommend
for one of the packages that you already have
468[05:11:19] <velix> Is Exim4 the default MTA of Debian Buster?
580[07:42:50] <Destro> fareast, Install a .deb package and then
use apt-get install package (without writing the sudo) and then use
dpkg -i package.deb --force-not-root --root=$HOME
595[07:47:56] <luckylinux> Hi everybody. I am having some weird
issue for the first time ... I used debootstrap in the past with
great success. On this system however, for some reason not all base
packages are getting installed, notably base-files and base-passwd,
so I'm getting chown: invalid user: 'root:root' and I
cannot get much further. Any easy way to solve this ?
597[07:48:45] <luckylinux> a /etc/passwd.lock and
/etc/shadow.lock was created. I tried to remove it to se if it could
unblock the situation, but it had no effect
621[08:06:36] <luckylinux> themill, I will try reinstalling the
required / important packages that seem to be part of the base
system with required=$(aptitude search ~prequired -F"%p")
626[08:09:30] <luckylinux> Very weird however. It's the
first time it's doing me that. Only thing is that I changed
from my local mirror apt-cacher-ng to direct debian server (since I
am currently migrating my NAS :S). Maybe debootstrap has a timeout
that triggers due to too slow internet connection ?
628[08:11:09] <themill> shouldn't do; it's failure
modes are unfortunately very hard to figure out, however
629[08:11:59] <luckylinux> themill, Well this is the only change
I did, I cannot figure out why it would do it other. Just changed
the debootstrap source to one of the official debian mirrors
630[08:12:17] <luckylinux> after installing those packages it
seems to not complain too much anymore
631[08:13:45] <themill> that will have primed your cache, but
shouldn't otherwise make any difference. Copying around passwd
etc is interesting though. Did you have more than one root account,
I wonder?
639[08:17:03] <luckylinux> and on the "host" I just
checked. Only 1 root account, I always used this USB stick to setup
a ZFS partitioning / zpool, then install using debootstrap and
chroot into it. Debootstrap didn't indicate any error except
one at the begigging
640[08:17:08] <luckylinux> *beginning
641[08:18:05] <luckylinux> cannot remember the exact error but
it was something along the line of "Cannot get Package list /
Packages.gz" or something
642[08:18:17] <luckylinux> but then it continued going on
without any error or warning
643[08:18:35] <luckylinux> unpacked all files (although the list
of unpacked files was quite short to other installs)
829[11:47:01] <ham5urg> At a first-time-ssh-connection I get the
remote fingerprint to accept. How can I generate the fingerprint at
server side, take him (e.g. via usb-stick) to the client and tell it
to ssh before initiating the connection?
877[12:14:13] <ham5urg> My client is getting the SHA256 ECDSA
key fingerprint. ssh-keyscan is producing (default) other
fingerprint ed25519. How can I get the sha356 fingerprint in
particular?
878[12:14:17] *** Quits: edlou (uid413273@replaced-ip) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
895[12:27:01] <oxek> ham5urg: it makes sure that anything that
tries to connect is at least recent enough to understand ed25519. It
gives me at least the knowledge the connecting program has been
updated in the last few years.
896[12:27:45] <oxek> plus it prevents loads of automated malware
that only understands rsa or dsa
933[12:49:41] <brutser> on debian host and guest, with vbox and
guest additions it works out of the box, with qemu-kvm i cannot get
mouse button 4,5 to work (left side of mouse) inside guest vm - it
seems not very trivial how to do this, but i cannot imagine
it's impossible. can anyone help me out here?
936[12:53:06] <ratrace> brutser: even with full mouse capture
(Ctrl-Alt-G I think) ?
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938[12:55:39] <ham5urg> Has anyone managed to have the private
key on some fat32-formatted usb-stick and to login via ssh without
complaining "Permissions 0644 for id_rsa are too open."?
939[12:56:26] <ham5urg> Hot to store the key on some fat32 usb
stick which does not know about permissions?
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945[13:00:16] <brutser> ratrace: i will check that, but it would
be nice if i could get it to work just as the vbox guest additions
work, there the mouse buttons all work
946[13:00:24] <brutser> i cannot imagine that cannot be done for
qemu-kvm
1006[13:54:42] <ratrace> f8e4: first of all, that include pattern
probably won't do what you want because you're missing a
full filter with exclusions. second, ~ is invalid . just
"steve:" means the default directory upon ssh login, which
is usually $HOME . otherwise specify full path:
steve:/home/steve/or/wherever/
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1009[13:55:38] <ratrace> f8e4: with such search patterns where
you don't know the top level dir and want ALL of them that DO
have the "dist" as second dir, which DO have
"*.whl" inside them, better to use `find` to build a list
of files, then use that list for rsync
1013[13:57:08] <ratrace> otherwise you need --filter and you need
to include all path elements individually, for all the patterns you
want included, followed by -* exclusion. see the manpage, FILTER
RULES
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1016[13:58:12] <ratrace> f8e4: btw, use -n (--dry-run) optionally
with -t as well, to see what would be transferred, until you get the
desired pattern correct
1023[14:01:25] <ratrace> well you don't have a simple
requirement there. fastest but hackiest way is to use find to build
a list, then use rsync --files-from=that_list.txt
1024[14:02:22] <ratrace> find ./ -wholename
'*/dist/*.whl' > that_list.txt or whatever you seek.
1054[14:15:52] <ratrace> f8e4: btw, looking at the manpage, it
appears you can use --files-from=- to feed the list from stdin, so
find ... | rsync ... --files-from=- ./ steve: might actually work.
just note that files-from paths are RELATIVE to the src dir in your
rsync
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1086[14:29:17] <ham5urg> I want to write a script to check for
apt update and send email via sendmail if something is to be
updated. Is there a oneliner to tell 'apt update' to
deliver a 0 or 1?
1087[14:29:55] <ratrace> ham5urg: why not use the apticron
package
1088[14:29:57] <cyveris> ham5urg: Check out
'unattended-upgrades'.
1089[14:29:58] <petn-randall> ham5urg: Have you heard of the
package 'unattended-upgrades' yet? It can do just that for
you.
1090[14:29:58] <kreyren> petn-randall, and this is
unfrankenstaining -> supported here right :3
1107[14:32:44] <GeneralStupid> Hi, it looks like that the debian
installer is not able to create a grub which is capable of booting
from a mdarray
1108[14:33:04] <GeneralStupid> Is there an easy way to achieve
this or do i have to configure than manually?
1109[14:33:21] <petn-randall> GeneralStupid: Hi, how did you
prepare the installation medium?
1110[14:33:30] <cyveris> GeneralStupid: Sure it is. When it asks
which device(s) to install grub to, you need to enter one or more of
the component devices, NOT the md array.
1111[14:33:41] <ratrace> petn-randall: that must hurt less than
managing that ... guixgentooexherbian :)
1112[14:33:54] <GeneralStupid> cyveris: i did grup-install to
both devices
1113[14:34:06] <GeneralStupid> petn-randall: prepare? i just
bootet from usb
1114[14:34:17] <cyveris> GeneralStupid: If you did grub-install,
then you didn't do that during the install process.
1115[14:34:19] <petn-randall> GeneralStupid: Yes, how did you
prepare the usb image?
1116[14:34:22] <GeneralStupid> cyveris: i used that same setup
with gentoo before, so i did it the same
1117[14:34:39] <joepublic> it's like it's gentoobian
day
1118[14:34:41] <GeneralStupid> cyveris: i chosed both partitions
1119[14:34:46] <ratrace> GeneralStupid: you didn't install
grub onto md though
1120[14:34:52] <cyveris> ratrace: You shouldn't.
1121[14:34:56] <ratrace> right
1122[14:35:05] <cyveris> GeneralStupid: You don't install
grub to a partition. You install it to a disk.
1123[14:35:08] <GeneralStupid> i didnt do that
1124[14:35:18] <GeneralStupid> i installed it two both disks
1125[14:35:26] <joepublic> you can install grub to a partition,
useful in certain situations
1126[14:35:35] <GeneralStupid> it didnt work. grub config does
not load md stuff
1127[14:35:35] <cyveris> joepublic: You CAN. But in this case,
you don't.
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1133[14:36:29] <cyveris> No, it can't. That's why grub
needs to be installed to the MBR (or GPT equivalent BIOS boot
partition) of one or more of the physical disks.
1134[14:36:59] <ratrace> on wait, with GPT you still install to
/dev/sda for example, NOT the bios_boot partition
1135[14:37:09] <ratrace> grub then finds the bios_boot partition
and puts its second stage there
1136[14:37:22] <cyveris> Yup.
1137[14:37:23] <GeneralStupid> What i did, i chosed manual
partition, selected my physical drives as RAID devices and created a
software raid device. md0 was created and mounted. I installed the
stuff and then i installed grub via the graphical installer first on
sda1 then on sdb1
1138[14:37:36] <cyveris> GeneralStupid: And that's your
problem.
1139[14:37:44] <cyveris> You installed grub to a partition, NOT
the MBR/BIOS boot partition.
1140[14:37:48] <kreyren> petn-randall, here is the promised image
of happy debian ^^
replaced-url
1143[14:37:54] <cyveris> You need to instsall grub to /dev/sda
and /dev/sdb.
1144[14:38:04] <cyveris> Otherwise, it won't be located in a
place where BIOS knows to look.
1145[14:38:04] <ratrace> GeneralStupid: usually problems with
manual raid and debian in my experience is in naming of the md. md0
while you install manually, but it becomes md127 on reboot.
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1159[14:40:52] <petn-randall> :)
1160[14:40:54] <oxek> Anyone know if it is possible to not send
"Debian-10+deb10u2" in the client identifier of the ssh
client (currently sends ""SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.9p1
Debian-10+deb10u2") without recompiling the ssh client? I know
I can disable it for sshd server using "DebianBanner no"
but I am talking about the client.
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1162[14:41:42] <cyveris> My first question is "why?"
1170[14:43:25] <oxek> petn-randall:
sshconnect.c:send_client_banner(int connection_out, int minor1)
1171[14:43:41] <ratrace> (and it's just Banner, not
DebianBanner)
1172[14:43:42] <oxek> can be observed e.g. when you do a client
test on
replaced-url
1173[14:44:08] <ratrace> oxek: are you really connecting to
untrusted ssh servers?
1174[14:44:09] <GeneralStupid> cyveris: iam pretty sure i
installed it on the device and made a mistake in my text. Debian
Installer only showed two devices to install grub on...
1183[14:46:27] <petn-randall> GeneralStupid: I also asked about
how you prepared the installer because a common mistake it to use
things like unetbooting, which mangle the installer, and you end up
not being able to write grub to the HDDs.
1184[14:46:27] <oxek> ratrace: Yeah I was wondering if I missed
something. I can change that function to omit the debian part, but
then I'd have to compile and keep everything up-to-date myself,
so I was hoping there was something else.
1185[14:47:04] <GeneralStupid> petn-randall: i used dd to a usb
key
1197[14:55:37] <GeneralStupid> oxek: actually it should be really
easy. you could download the debian package source, just add one
patch and recompile. This could be automated and will only fail if
your patch is no longer compatible
1198[14:55:51] <petn-randall> GeneralStupid: I've got a
system with mdraid raid1, and I'm using grub2, so I'm
certain it does work.
1200[14:56:53] <oxek> GeneralStupid: maybe I will try it. Though
I am definitely not yet confident enough in my abilities in patching
code and compiling it. The most I've done was backport some
package from debian-testing.
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1202[14:57:27] <annadane> thanks ratrace :D
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1204[14:58:15] <ratrace> annadane: could CSS it to open up as a
separate tiny window, with more bling! :)
1205[14:58:17] <GeneralStupid> /boot is on your md array?
1251[15:26:29] <petn-randall> Is there a reason you want to speak
to them privately?
1252[15:26:34] <stockholm> indian, older then me!
1253[15:26:49] <stockholm> i want to ask him about make
1254[15:27:01] <stockholm> he used to maintain gnu make i think
1255[15:27:05] <petn-randall> Regarding what exactly?
1256[15:27:21] <stockholm> i am looking for an irc channel about
gnu make
1257[15:27:27] <stockholm> and google failed me
1258[15:27:42] <annadane> well, #gnu is the channel for general
gnu related queries
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1260[15:27:55] <stockholm> yes, that might be a good first step
1261[15:28:23] <annadane> make is also pretty common, if you ask
your question i'm positive someone will know the answer
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1264[15:29:23] <stockholm> annadane, ask here?
1265[15:29:39] <annadane> ask in #gnu i meant, though i suppose
you can ask here if you're running debian
1266[15:29:52] <annadane> it's up to you, #gnu might be more
helpful
1267[15:30:05] <stockholm> i want to use that makefile on both
debian and windows
1268[15:30:31] <stockholm> and many of the useful tools are not
there on windows
1269[15:30:37] <stockholm> like sed or awk
1270[15:30:42] <annadane> gnu's website also has pretty
extensive documentation
1271[15:31:03] <stockholm> oh yes!
1272[15:31:04] <annadane> well... makefiles install things to
specific locations and you probably can't do that on windows
1273[15:31:29] <annadane> the *general* way one runs linux stuff
on windows is cygwin but i doubt make works like that
1274[15:31:55] <petn-randall> stockholm: You'll likely need
to find a way to install all those on Windows, and even then many
things will differ, so I don't think you're saving a lot
of effort by unifying them.
1275[15:32:34] <stockholm> perhaps.
1276[15:33:38] <annadane> i've heard of xy problems but this
is ridiculous :P
1277[15:34:12] <ratrace> annadane: these are xyzzy problems.
complete with grues in the night. :)
1286[15:37:56] <annadane> "what is the name of this debian
dev" -> "because he used to maintain make" ->
"i'm looking for the irc channel for make" ->
"because i want to use makefiles on debian and windows"
1287[15:38:02] <annadane> next time, just ask your question :P
1288[15:38:46] <cyveris> We need a bot command for xyzzy that
says "nothing happens."
1340[16:09:40] <annadane> unless you mean does less have it
natively
1341[16:10:20] <ham5urg> I want to disable all local logins via
console. Login via ssh (without password but with id_rsa) is already
configured. What's the best approach?
1342[16:10:57] <joepublic> say that again slowly. disable all
local logins?
1343[16:11:39] <jolt> f8e4: In "less", press
"shift+g" to go to end of file. Bonus tip:
"shift+f" to "follow", like "tail -f"
1347[16:12:48] <ham5urg> joepublic, yes. The server are remote
and I won't see them again in a long time (hopefully). I want
to disable all local logins into the machine
1348[16:13:12] <joepublic> one normally prevents unwanted local
logins by using strong passwords.
1349[16:13:25] <joepublic> this will not work for your use case,
I take it
1350[16:13:58] <ham5urg> I want to disable the usage of
passwords. id_rsa is good for me.
1351[16:14:03] <joepublic> are you also taking precautions
against someone booting a live cd?
1352[16:14:16] <invra> ham5urg: local login would be possible
with a live ISO anyways... unless you phisically remove USB ports
aswell..
1353[16:14:23] <jolt> ham5urg: You can lock out users with
/etc/securetty. But BEWARE. Sometimes it's good to be able to
login locally, so think about what you are doing.
1354[16:14:28] <invra> ham5urg: you can disable password
1355[16:14:55] <jolt> annadane: There are a bunch more keys, to
open in editor etc, it's worth a read.
1356[16:14:57] <ham5urg> If I need to login locally I can boot
via usb and change it again.
1357[16:15:03] <cyveris> So can anyone else.
1358[16:15:19] <ham5urg> invra, how? just remove it from passwd?
1359[16:15:27] <jolt> Yeah, you need to set a boot pw, otherwise
you can just use init=/bin/<shell>
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1385[16:19:22] <jolt> ham5urg: vipw -s, set their pw-string to
just * in /etc/shadow
1386[16:19:29] <joepublic> of course, typing
FAepGvl*7MwyzvCbq3v7$SB#SxBMa%ZAIRw*nt!w2$9YKjS5EVsDjm1cjWi#wHUrCG0TB0%9ejiA%ZrcHi@rVKNjqr&XP@04zoE
every time you sudo would be something of a pain
1390[16:19:49] <jolt> ham5urg: then their pw will never match,
but they are still allowed to login via non-pw measures, like ssh
key.
1391[16:20:41] <jolt> (since the nologin suggestion would block
their ssh logins as well). You could potentially also make a pam
rule for whatever setup you want, but I'm no pam expert, so I
can't help you out there.
1392[16:21:38] <jolt> ham5urg: maybe just comment out the
contents of the common-password file in /etc/pam.d
1393[16:21:59] <invra> i smell imminent catasthropee
1394[16:22:06] <jolt> :D
1395[16:22:34] <jolt> I have added 2fa for ssh-logins not in my
office subnet, also by utilizing pam.d, so it definitely works
1396[16:22:45] <jolt> But yeah, is scary
1397[16:23:14] <ham5urg> jolt, I will try
1398[16:23:39] <invra> i fidn that a strong passwords does the
same withot the risk of messing up everything xD
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1416[16:34:25] <ham5urg> invra, I trust it, but I don't want
to handle any password anymore.
1417[16:34:43] <GeneralStupid> oh its not an installer issue...
1418[16:35:59] <joepublic> GeneralStupid, do you suppose super
grub 2 rescue disc would help you?
1419[16:36:36] <invra> yeah then you can set a whatever crazy
password, and forget about it... then just use ssh key
authentication... no need to manage it
1420[16:36:58] <jolt> ham5urg: well, setting * instead of the
password hash do work.
1421[16:37:08] <invra> ^
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1440[16:42:45] <joepublic> I mention super grub 2 rescue because
it can boot into just about anything, allowing you to install grub
properly from within the booted system
1441[16:43:11] <GeneralStupid> the only difference is single user
mode
1442[16:43:19] <GeneralStupid> grub is installed and working
1443[16:43:55] <joepublic> I repent of having so mentioned.
1570[17:41:00] <somiaj> another option is have your own rm script
in /usr/local/bin that does trash-put for you
1571[17:41:22] <somiaj> since the /usr/local/bin/rm would take
presence over /usr/bin/rm, and you could still use the /usr/bin/rm
if ever you wrote out the full path
1572[17:41:35] <somiaj> (though others might be surprised if they
use your system and wanted to really rm something)
1573[17:42:04] <somiaj> well othes and maybe scripts, so probably
not a good idea in the long run
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1575[17:42:47] <wyre> somiaj, well, all of this started because I
usually create an alias also for rm, something like 'echo Use
'del' or the full path i.e. '/bin/rm''
1576[17:43:16] <wyre> for both users, root and wyre
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1582[17:44:45] <wyre> and I can create those aliases for wyre and
root but I'm still able to combine 'sudo rm'
1583[17:44:57] <wyre> and I'm not getting the warning
1584[17:44:58] <somiaj> well same issue with the alias if all
root shells get it, you can mess up system scripts who try to remove
something and end up not
1585[17:45:06] <miskatonic> whereas tcsh abuses aliases as
functions
1586[17:45:28] <somiaj> sudo doesn't use the full enviorment
of the user that ran it, so it wouldnt get aliases.
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1588[17:45:59] <somiaj> Though I guess I don't really remove
stuff I don't want to, another solution is to have a good
backup, so you can just recover stuff from the backup instead of
have a trash
1589[17:46:13] <wyre> somiaj, then there is not way to prevent
totally a bad rm usage!
1590[17:46:21] <somiaj> the few times I've accidently
removed the wrong thing, recovering it from the backup was my
solution.
1592[17:47:09] <somiaj> wyre: I think you have to be careful and
consider the consequences of how it affects scripts (mostly dpkg
scripts that remove stuff on removal or other system scripts)
1600[17:49:44] <wyre> deb, lol, imagine you want delete something
in ./ but you forget the .
1601[17:50:21] <somiaj> wyre: personally I would just learn how
to use rm correctly, and if you create regular backups using rysnc,
you have a backup in case you delete something you shouldn't
have.
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1603[17:50:48] <wyre> somiaj, and could I not prevent other users
to use rm through sudo?
1604[17:50:55] <wyre> just my particular user
1605[17:51:08] <wyre> but ... why not all users in sudo group 🤔
1606[17:51:16] <wyre> ?
1607[17:51:50] <dvs> wyre, then you write a sudo line for your
user instead of using the %sudo group
1620[17:55:31] <somiaj> there is already a trash-rm utility, you
can install and use, I would just train yourself to get use to that,
and keep backups, vs train yourself that rm is safe to use
1632[17:58:58] <wyre> apparently this is not to train xD
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1634[17:59:02] <somiaj> wyre: trash-cli is a package that
contains a set of tools like trash-rm, list-trash, empty-trash,
restore-trash, so you don't have to write your own
'del' tool
1635[17:59:15] <somiaj> so you can trash-rm /path/to/file
1636[17:59:21] <wyre> somiaj, ofc, del is just a short alias for
trash-put
1641[18:00:09] <somiaj> But I do like that comment, best get use
to the command as stated, in case you are on an envirment or system
that doens't have your customizations
1664[18:11:40] <dvs> wyre, I'm not saying that it's not
working. I'm saying that if you only want one user to be
affected, then put that specific user in the sudoers file, not the
whole %sudo group
1665[18:11:49] <somiaj> nvidia-installer-cleanup is not required,
you could just remove that package, espically since it probably has
cleaned up yoru system.
1735[18:39:31] <wyre> what do you mean with "how to use rm
correctly"?
1736[18:40:00] <wyre> I know how is rm used, but I don't
want a typo causing destruction 😆
1737[18:40:15] <wyre> at least I know the risks of rm usage, I
mean
1738[18:41:20] <wyre> and I cannot afford another HDD to do
backups ..
1739[18:42:33] <miskatonic> the put it up for anonymous ftp and
let the whole world mirror your server ... as suggested by Linus
Torvalds over 20 years ago
1742[18:46:24] <somiaj> wyre: as I menteiond from the post, if
you train yourself that this custom rm script is common, if you are
on a system that doesn't have it, you may find yoruself in a
worse case, vs undersatnding rm is permanat and to be careful before
using it.
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1753[18:51:11] <somiaj> wyre: I would, as this would transfer to
other systems better
1754[18:51:39] <somiaj> if you are in the habbit of always typing
trash-rm to remove things, if you are on a system without trash-rm,
then you get an error that command is not found, you can either
install it or realize oh I have to be careful.
1756[18:52:03] <somiaj> while if you are in the habbit of rm
telling you to use trash-rm, you may not fully train yourself and
end up deleting something on another system without meaning too
1758[18:52:48] <wyre> it would be trash-put instead trash-rm, but
I think I get your point
1759[18:52:52] <somiaj> Your stoping rm from working with sudo
and alias rm may work to help train yourself, but if you have a
safety net, you may not fully train.
1760[18:53:00] <wyre> trash-rm is to remove thing from inside
trash
1762[18:53:23] <somiaj> ahh, thanks, I was just going off a post
that said alias rm with trash-rm, so I assumed that was what it did,
I don't use such tools
1763[18:54:29] <wyre> I found them more safety when I'm
removing personal files from cli
1767[18:56:17] <somiaj> but as for backups, you should take them
regardless, 'data that isn't copied to three different
mediums can be considered lost', what happens if your hd fails,
your machine burns down, etc
1775[19:01:59] <wyre> somiaj, what about an alias for rm as root?
1776[19:02:06] <wyre> that would affect scripts?
1777[19:02:43] <somiaj> wyre: It depends on what shell the root
scripts are using. so it isn't a clear cut question, but yes if
the alias was present it could have consequences of leaving stuff on
your system you told dpkg to remove
1778[19:03:21] <wyre> somiaj, the root shell is fish
1790[19:12:33] <wsky> is there anything special i need to do to
keep my stretch under long term support?
1791[19:12:58] <somiaj> you don't have to change anything to
get LTS support for stretch
1792[19:13:32] <somiaj> do note that for desktop users, you do
loose security support of some software. The webbrowser being the
biggest, I know one of chormium/firefox-esr is no longer supported
in stretch.
1798[19:21:54] <miskatonic> what is not supported in Stretch?
1799[19:21:59] <jmcnaught> somiaj: as far as I know firefox-esr
is still supported on stretch (it's not listed in
/usr/share/debian-security-support/security-support-ended.deb9, but
chromium is)
1800[19:22:30] <jmcnaught> the package debian-security-support
has the files that list support status, and a check-security-status
command
1809[19:32:19] <ham5urg> How is apt-listchanges invoked/called
from unattended-updates?
1810[19:32:44] <Agiofws> hello
1811[19:33:25] <ham5urg> Man, I should read manual pages more
serious: Please note that in the default installation if
apt-listchanges is run during upgrades as an APT plugin, it displays
NEWS.Debian entries only. This can be changed with the --which
option.
1815[19:35:42] <Agiofws> i have just upgraded to buster but i
can't install wine i have unmet dependencies winehq-staging :
Depends: wine-staging (= 5.7~buster) Unable to correct problems, you
have held broken packages.
1816[19:35:51] <ham5urg> Ahh, not in /etc but in /etc/apt. Good
1817[19:36:00] <Agiofws> i need some help
1818[19:37:04] <annadane> Agiofws, winehq has specific
instructions for debian users
1828[19:40:04] <Agiofws> annadane, i think installing wine
through the link and what i've read through the post ist still
a mess
1829[19:41:28] <annadane> i've only installed wine-stable,
not staging
1830[19:41:35] <annadane> so i can't vouch
1831[19:41:40] <somiaj> Agiofws: do you really need the newest
wine, debian does provide wine and wine-devlopment that works for
many things
1832[19:42:06] <jmcnaught> Agiofws: that error looks like a
problem with winehq.org's third-party repository, but I noticed
on their Debian wiki page that they say to use
"--install-recommends"… do you maybe have
recommends disabled. Also I agree with ^, why not use the Debian
provided packages?
1833[19:42:49] <somiaj> Agiofws: as for your issue, can you paste
the output of apt policy (wonder if winehq is pinning its repo like
buster-backports)
1871[20:03:10] <annadane> libfaudio mentioned before, has 64 bit
and 32 bit versions, which you'll know if you read what i
posted earlier, Agiofws, maybe that's also partially the issue
1872[20:03:20] <annadane> somiaj, yeah i know i'm just
surprised it came from there
1881[20:06:13] <somiaj> anyways that policy is a mess in my mind.
It probably works, but webmin, dmo, lots of third party sources can
start to cause issues.
1884[20:06:36] <warsoul> somiaj, you got the pastebin?
1885[20:06:38] <somiaj> that is not the second apt policy command
I asked for
1886[20:06:48] <somiaj> warsoul: did you remove
nvidia-installer-cleanup package?
1887[20:06:54] <miskatonic> webmin is unsupported since a few
years
1888[20:06:57] <somiaj> !webmin
1889[20:06:57] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for
unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at
replaced-url
1890[20:07:20] <somiaj> Agiofws: you are using an old repo from
sarge for a piece of software that is known to be terrible and full
of security holes. Though I doubt this has issues with your current
problem.
1891[20:07:24] <warsoul> somiaj y did upgrade it says to remove
it i said YES
1896[20:07:44] <somiaj> warsoul: I might have missed your last
output, but really you need to learn how to read and intrupit things
here.
1897[20:08:04] <Agiofws> apt remove webmin
1898[20:08:47] <warsoul> there is the pastebin of the error
1899[20:08:48] <somiaj> warsoul: I saw that, and no you did not
remove the package. 'apt remove nvidia-installer-cleanup',
we should try to get to a poitn I don't have to type out each
and every command you need
1900[20:09:29] <somiaj> Agiofws: where is the second apt policy
wine-staging I asked for
1901[20:09:44] <warsoul> somiaj, debconf: DbDriver
"config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by
another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
1902[20:09:50] <somiaj> Agiofws: webmin isn't the issue
here, but with looking at your sources.list, it apepars you like to
mix a lot of things which could cause problems.
1904[20:10:31] <somiaj> warsoul: have you tried to reboot, you
have your system in some crazy state due to closing a terminal while
running apt the last time, and I don't really have the time to
guide you through every step
1905[20:10:40] <somiaj> warsoul: maybe someone else will help you
1907[20:11:24] <somiaj> Agiofws: you can try apt install
wine-staging, but you are going to head down a rabit hole and figure
out what conflict is preventing this package from installing.
1910[20:12:19] <somiaj> Agiofws: so if wine-staging doens't
install, repeate the process of figuring out what packages are
causing problems, use apt policy pkgname and then try to install the
depends that are causing problems, eventaully you should run into
exactly what package is causing problems due to the version on your
system or the version it wants to install not matching what the
software depends on
1912[20:12:55] <somiaj> again it appears to be a multiarch
problem, but now try wine-staging-i386, and keep going until you
figure out what package is causing the problem
1913[20:13:16] <somiaj> first use apt policy to see if it is even
isntallable
1914[20:13:56] <warsoul> somiaj, you are a really good helper
1917[20:14:20] <somiaj> I'm also a really good
procstranator, I should really be doing my actual work
1918[20:14:50] * dvs narcs on somiaj
1919[20:15:01] <somiaj> Agiofws: keep going down the list and pay
attention to the output you get. You need to figure out what package
is causing the actual conflict
1928[20:17:00] <somiaj> it could be a pacakge on your system, it
could be the fact one of these thrid party repos provides a newer
version of a package that the older version is needed to satsify
some dependency
1929[20:17:20] <somiaj> you need to use a combination of apt
policy packagename and go down the rabbit hole of depends to find
out where the actual conflict is
1930[20:18:06] <somiaj> it could be you have 'held broken
packages', though I find that error not fully correct, it just
means apt cannot fix the issue, so you must find it and fix it
manually
1934[20:20:13] <somiaj> it is due to conlicts in your sources,
probably due to mixing repos. But until you track dwon the actual
cause, this is only spectulation.
1935[20:20:16] <Agiofws> Package libunistring0:i386 is not
available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that
the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available
from another source
1936[20:20:30] <Agiofws> ok i have to go
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1944[20:21:51] <somiaj> in this case you need to figure out why
that package is on your system still, 'aptitude why
libunistring0' or what package depends on it and is trying to
pull it in?
1945[20:21:59] <Agiofws> thank you somiaj and annadane
1946[20:22:07] <Agiofws> maybe tomorrow
1947[20:22:10] <somiaj> anyways, this is why we don't really
support mixing here, it can be a pain as you have seen
1982[21:12:34] <boredtobonesbyco> let's say I'm without
GUI, with 2 ttys one with irssi and the other with elinks, and I
want to copy a string of elinks to irssi and have gpm activated. How
do I do it?
1983[21:13:16] <boredtobonesbyco> do gpm works across ttys?
1984[21:13:34] <greycat> Well, if gpm is installed, you should be
able to copy and paste with the mouse on the Linux console. Or at
least, that's how it worked 20 years ago, which was the last
time I actually saw gpm.
1988[21:14:16] <g0zzy> Since (i think) i plugged an additional
monitor into this laptop, my mate desktop under Debian got borked.
Looks like the monitor settings have perhaps gone queer as the font
is boldish and elongated. I tried to reset it with dconf (dconf-cli)
to no avail. It doesn't happen when i log in as a different
user. What's the best way to restore default?
1989[21:15:49] <g0zzy> An update to that. I just copied the
~/.config/dconf/user from the working to the non-working user and it
had no effect on the problem
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1992[21:19:07] <boredtobonesbyco> g0zzy: If I can say, at home, I
have a huge HD TV that I replace for the 2 monitors, I put it in the
maximum resolution of the GPU and it looks great and better
2023[21:31:35] <inerkick> even i followed this method ikonia
replaced-url
2024[21:31:42] <ikonia> right ?
2025[21:31:47] <greycat> If you want to install postgresql in
Debian, you type "apt install postgresql" or some variant
thereof. And you get the stable version that was tested and released
with your stable version of Debian. No "guide" needed.
2067[21:48:22] <cuddylier> I made a LACP bond (802.3ad) of 2 x
1Gb links in Debian 10 which is seeing expected performance of 2Gb
but outbound traffic is only going via a single uplink despite
traffic going to multiple destination IPs. My interfaces config file
is here:
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2068[21:48:28] <sponix2ipfw> you all are just breaking Debian by
attempting to snag software from outside sources that doesn't
even match your main Debian version. Should be looking into the
Synaptic package manager 1st and using what is already provided,
before even starting to search elsewhere
2097[22:13:01] <cuddylier> cyveris: Is it normal though for there
to be zero load balancing on the outbound? The inbound load balances
perfectly but maybe this is how it's designed?
2098[22:13:25] <cyveris> cuddylier: The default xmit-hash-policy
parameter bases solely on MAC, not IP.
2107[22:16:44] <invra> well the package description says it does
support rar password extraction.. but when i try it doesnt... its a
rar divided in parts... might be cause of that?
2142[22:44:14] *** Quits: crockedgrind59 (~crockedgr@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2143[22:45:13] <LostInTheShell> Hiall, it's me tyzef.....
guys, I had tried many things, everythings? my wifi card Atheros
AR9285 card don't comes UP..... should I give up? but the
netinstall make it work ! why ? how ? no idea, I am just here and
there, in between wlp2s0 and the kernel, lost in the shell...
2152[22:49:16] <LostInTheShell> I tried wicd, no way, Bionic
Puppy, no way..... this wifi card can connect to my smartphone
hotspot from puppy(my only live USB) but can't connect to my
kind of box "huawei B612s-25d
2154[22:50:32] <LostInTheShell> 'wicd on buster and puppy
scann my box but can't connect..... only the buster netinstall
connect to it, only during the install
2160[22:52:27] <dpkg> Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux
mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian.
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2161[22:52:33] <LostInTheShell> yes bionic puppy en usb pendrive
2162[22:52:53] <LostInTheShell> yes it was just to test you know
2163[22:53:40] <somiaj> well it sounds like we have tried to
track down the issue as best as we could in the past. You don't
have some issue with a softblock, have you checked rfkill?
2164[22:54:08] <somiaj> and by doens't come up, do y ou see
the card in 'ip addr'?
2165[22:54:10] <LostInTheShell> I don't know how to use
rfkill
2166[22:54:23] <LostInTheShell> yes I see it
2167[22:54:28] <somiaj> you iinstall it and run it, it will tell
you if you have any soft or hardblocks on the network
2168[22:54:38] <somiaj> so you see the interface in 'ip
a' but you don't see it in network-manager?
2169[22:54:56] <LostInTheShell> oops, I am on minimal debian, no
gui
2170[22:55:04] *** Quits: xcm (~xcm@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2171[22:55:13] <LostInTheShell> nothing is there on my debian
2172[22:55:34] <somiaj> do you configure the network via
/etc/apt/interfaces then (well you said you tried wicd, so thinking
you were using a guid)
2173[22:55:48] <somiaj> on common issue is trying to use a gui
while having the network configured in /etc/network/interfaces from
the installer
2174[22:56:04] <LostInTheShell> ip addr I see my wlp2s0 and it
say satate DOWN
2175[22:56:27] <LostInTheShell> i use openbox
2176[22:56:28] <invra> well the package description says it does
support rar password extraction.. but when i try it doesnt... its a
rar divided in parts... might be cause of that?
2217[23:23:43] <somiaj> longears: what are you looking for? If
you have a bug, a bug report vs emailing the matainer directly is
prefered
2218[23:24:53] <longears> somiaj: Just saw a line in logs and
thought I'd bring a suggestion to avoid it. I'll just
email the maintainer later tonight.
2219[23:25:16] <somiaj> tyzef: it could be a kernel difference
why it works in puppy but not debian. Usually people have good
expereince ath9k, maybe your hardware isn't functioning
properly, and due to differences in the kernel that issue manifests
in debian.
2220[23:25:25] <somiaj> longears: you should file a wishlist bug
vs emailing them directly.
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2222[23:26:01] <longears> somiaj: Ah, thanks. Sorry, never dealt
with mainteiners before :)
2224[23:26:37] <somiaj> longears: in general debian prefers using
the bug system to log/keep track of issues with packages, this
sounds like a wishlist bug to me, and provide a patch if you have a
fix.
2226[23:27:30] <somiaj> though it also might be a minor bug,
maybe this is something small issue that could be fixed, vs an
option you wish would change, after re-reading your issue, a minor
bug might be more reasonable.
2227[23:28:06] <somiaj> bugs.debian.org will describe the process
to report bugs and how they are classified
2229[23:28:54] <tyzef> sorry somiaj, I may had not explained
properly. debian10+wicd, debian10+wpasupplicant,
debian10+networkmanager, puppy..... no one can connect to my box...
the only way I got congratulation is during the network
configuration in NetInstall Debian10, and it worked only for the
install... once debian installed... the end
2245[23:32:45] <dpkg> ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary
HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN
devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from
userspace. See
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2246[23:32:58] <somiaj> are you able to relabily get the card to
work inside the netinstaller? Or was it just one time. If the
netinstaller always gets it, you may need to start digging through
dmesg and see if you can spot any differnces, though in debian the
netinstaller should be using the same kernel, so I can't think
of any differences that could arise.
2247[23:33:43] <somiaj> jhutchins: I don't agree with
'completely free', it just doesn't use userland
non-free firmware, but it does have firmware on the chip. Though
with ath9k_htc you can aperntally use fully open firmware on that
card.
2249[23:34:07] <tyzef> yes but if so my hardware is bad, why
debian netinstall can do what others can't? this is...... I
don't know
2250[23:34:28] <somiaj> tyzef: does it work in the net install
each and every time.
2251[23:34:30] <somiaj> ?
2252[23:35:05] <tyzef> I really would like to see what this
netinstall do to connect to my box, it have the secret, yet
it's a software, we can't have a coffee together
2253[23:35:29] <tyzef> yes whenever I tried it worked
2255[23:35:45] <jhutchins> tyzef: have you pastebinned your cofig
files?
2256[23:36:10] <somiaj> tyzef: the only thing I can think of is
the netinstall is a bit more minimial of an enviorment, but it uses
the exact same kernel, so this seems odd
2257[23:36:34] <somiaj> I would start by taking a log of dmesg
from inside the netinstall after the card is up and working and then
compare it to debian install it isn't working and look for
differences.
2258[23:37:06] <somiaj> actually it probably uses a slightly
older kernel. Wonder if trying to downgrade to the exact kernel the
netinstaller used would help
2259[23:37:32] <somiaj> there have been a few security patches
since the netinstall kernel was made, and sometimes kernels cause
regressions
2260[23:38:03] <tyzef> can I try with debian9, I have an iso
2261[23:38:23] <tyzef> hey, ayyoooo ..... I have a xfce debianb 9
iso
2262[23:38:31] <somiaj> go right ahead, but what I would be
intersted in would be the output of dmesg and the kernel the
netinstall is using in which it works
2263[23:38:34] <tyzef> maybe I should try it
2264[23:38:37] <somiaj> then compare that to a place it
doesn't
2279[23:41:48] <Copenhagen_Bram2> I haven't configured it,
just installed it with snapd and it won't finish starting up
2280[23:42:01] <jmspeex> Anyone can help me with my newly
installed Debian server that keeps auto-suspending by itself?
2281[23:42:29] <somiaj> Copenhagen_Bram2: sounds like a bug in
the snap, which we can't fully support. See if you can
configure that software and tell what port to listen on.
2282[23:42:47] <somiaj> jmspeex: that is strange, do you have a
DE installed on that?
2283[23:43:00] <Copenhagen_Bram2> When does it auto-suspend?
2284[23:43:12] <tyzef> well somiaj, thank you so much, it's
a great progress for me !
2285[23:43:13] <jmspeex> somiaj: yes, I installed gnome to make
it easier to configure at first
2297[23:47:48] <inthl> I have a very weird problem with ip6tables
- but not with iptables. when using some hostname which ip(6)tables
would resolve to all IP addresses, then iptables -I INPUT --fobar -s
somehostname.com ..works perfectly fine. but doing this with
ip6tables fails with the error message ip6tables v1.6.0:
host/network `somehostname.com' not found - this happens to
*any* hostname, and also I can resolve the IPv6 addresses there
perfeclty fine using
2298[23:47:48] <inthl> `host somehostname.com` or `dig
somehostname.com` - any ideas what this is all about? or where/how
ip6tables fetches the addresses. the host is perfectly fine with
ipv6, also other services like httpd do respond to ipv6 requests,
pings from-to and vise versa other hosts work as well
2304[23:50:45] <jmspeex> What I don't understand is how
something that obviously wrong can be happening without everyone
screeming bloody murder considering that Debian is used on servers a
lot. Or am I somehow one of the few affected (why?)
2307[23:51:38] <somiaj> jmspeex: you could change your default
target from graphical.target to multi-user.target and not laod the
gdm.
2308[23:51:54] <AndreasLutro> jmspeex: because you installed
gnome on a server?
2309[23:52:13] <somiaj> jmspeex: sometimes bugs only affect
certain combinations of software installed, and most people running
servers dont' also run a gui
2310[23:52:32] <somiaj> but just because there is a bug, it might
only affect some hardware/configurations
2311[23:53:08] <jmspeex> somiaj: How do I change the target?
2321[23:56:26] <somiaj> but it appears that this is more a gdm
issue than debian (seems fedora has a bug too). My guess is gdm is
doing what windows does by default, which I agree, probably
isn't best
2322[23:57:02] <somiaj> and it could also on affect certain
setups, hence why only a few have responded to that bug report