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21 [00:27:59] <usney> debian linux
22 [00:28:13] <usney> just say no to bsd
23 [00:28:27] <usney> is there bsd debian?
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94 [02:16:29] <rjsalts> usney: yes, debian kfreebsd
replaced-url
95 [02:17:30] <rjsalts> and it looks like their may have once
been an attempt at running debian on netbsd kernel
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123 [02:58:36] <pav5088> How do I statically configure my network
without restarting a machine? I presume /etc/network/interfaces is
the same file to use? I tried "service networking restart"
and that didn't seem to work. I also tried "killall
dhclient" in case a dhcp client was still running (because the
interface seemed to be picking up a DHCP address.
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127 [03:00:50] <dvs> if down; if up ?
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130 [03:06:46] <pav5088> dvs : I tried that... no go
unfortunately. Actually "ifdown" gives me an
"interface not configured" message, even though
"ifconfig" shows me it's up and configured. Perhaps
systemd is doing something new/different?
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192 [03:44:28] <Neobenedict> hia with
replaced-url
193 [03:44:34] <Neobenedict> all 4 have the same IP, but
differnet mac addresses?
194 [03:44:35] <Neobenedict> how does it work
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236 [03:51:53] <pav5088> Neobenedict, I believe it's
supported at the network layer, and the router just sends packets to
all four interfaces... probably in a round-robin fashion.
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245 [04:05:43] <rant> anyone know how this load firmware thing
works on the installer? its asking for iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode which I
just installed firmware-iwlwifi on my other machine and copied
/lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode to a thumbdrive and put it in
the machine thats installing and it doesnt seem to be finding it
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248 [04:07:45] * rant overwrites his installer with the firmware
installer image
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661 [04:58:50] <r_rios> Hello, all. The libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 and
libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0:i386 packages are necessary for Steam to work
properly. Without them, a lot of steam games get black backgrounds
and images, redering them unplayable. However, these packages are
not steam dependencies. Where should I report this bug?
662 [04:58:58] <r_rios> Source:
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664 [05:00:25] <rant> r_rios: report it to whoever maintains the
package, its not a debian issue
665 [05:01:45] <r_rios> rant: Where do I find the maintainer?
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963 [05:08:09] <usney> I am trying to share my internet
connection via wifi from a wired connection
964 [05:08:09] <usney> I have it setup on my ubuntu box
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974 [05:10:07] <rant> rjsalts: wherever you got the package, or
in the package's information field.. I can't help you its
not a debian package
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976 [05:10:14] <rant> r_rios: ^
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984 [05:12:54] <r_rios> rant: It *is* a Debian package
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986 [05:14:04] <r_rios> I wouldn't be asking for help in the
Debian channel if it wasn't
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1045 [06:41:59] <usney> how do I connect to wifi via command line?
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1049 [06:46:13] <usney>
replaced-url
1050 [06:46:27] <usney> all it does is turn on my wifi light
1051 [06:46:48] <usney> iwlist command not found
1052 [06:49:52] <symtex> usney: try "iw list"
1053 [06:50:13] <usney> iw command not found
1054 [06:50:23] <usney> do I need wireless tools installed?
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1056 [06:53:10] <symtex> usney: yea apt install wireless-tools
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1068 [07:05:35] <usney> still having problems connecting
1069 [07:06:52] <a0z> usney: i use the network-manager package
(nmcli) to manage wifi connections on my laptop
1070 [07:08:22] <usney> I am trying to connect from command line
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1073 [07:09:54] <Sveta> something keeps eating my disk space, i
had 200MB free yesterday and today it's 0 bytes free in /. how
can i see which files were modified in the last 12 hours?
1074 [07:10:02] <a0z> usney: nmcli is network-manager's
command line app
1075 [07:10:34] <Sveta> there is 'nmtui' also
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1083 [07:18:36] <warai_otoko> Happy Birthday, IRC! ^^
1084 [07:18:54] <Sveta> warai_otoko, really? you mean 25 years of
debian?
1085 [07:19:06] <Sveta> hi :)
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1088 [07:22:54] * blackroot morning
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1129 [08:29:41] <pav5088> I want to be able to give machines
static IPs without rebooting. I've tried manually shutting down
the network service, and also dhclient, but eth0 comes up again with
a dhcp address automatically. The network configuration part of the
Debian page doesn't seem to help.
1130 [08:30:03] <pav5088> Any ideas as to what's going on?
1131 [08:30:29] <pav5088> The old ways, and what I've found
of "new" ways seem to not work.
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1143 [08:46:43] <jelly-home> pav5088: which network services are
you shutting down? Can you add an "iface inet ... static"
setting in /etc/network/interfaces, then ifdown and ifup that
interface?
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1145 [08:48:03] <jelly-home> er, iface ... inet static
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1158 [09:02:19] <Neobenedict> you could always uninstall the dhcp
software. lol.
1159 [09:02:24] <Neobenedict> but that shouldn't be needed
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1187 [09:47:58] <]BFG[> strech is up to 9.5 nice, to see
1188 [09:48:17] <]BFG[> any plans on removing the piece of shit
systemd?
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1190 [09:49:58] <Ozzyboshi> dont think so
1191 [09:50:08] <Ozzyboshi> go to devone
1192 [09:50:57] <diogenes_> ok MX Linux
1193 [09:51:00] <diogenes_> or*
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1195 [09:51:56] <]BFG[> I already switched to Devuan and FreeBSD
but would be nice to see Debian 10 systemd free by default even if
this means throwing out gnome
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1198 [09:54:00] <themill> you can run debian without systemd just
fine; troll elsewhere, kthnxbye.
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1236 [10:30:39] <]BFG[> themill I do run debian without malwared
yes but I want to see it gone, completely be removed from github and
not being forced down on our throats
1237 [10:30:50] <]BFG[> because if you put it in by default
companies will use it by default as well
1238 [10:31:03] <]BFG[> and you will not have the chance to keep
your life shitd free
1239 [10:31:16] <]BFG[> i hope pottering will fucking die with his
worthless colleagues
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1252 [10:45:20] <petn-randall> Oh, another flat-earther^W^Wsystemd
hater visiting our channel. How original.
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1275 [11:12:07] <blackflow> oh, my!
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1289 [11:21:36] <wrksx> I just read some comments from people
disliking systemd
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1291 [11:22:40] <wrksx> like "Systemd is bad. Too complex,
too dependencies, to unstability. It's a very problem for
production server"
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1295 [11:23:16] <wrksx> I wonder what are they doin to there
server so systemd make it UNSTABLE
1296 [11:23:27] <wrksx> there/their
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1304 [11:26:48] <tichun> Any ideas to change xorg display blanking
with a raspberry pi specific vcgencmd display_power 0 and 1?
1305 [11:27:30] <jelly-home> wrksx: that might have been a couple
years back
1306 [11:27:30] <blackflow> wrksx: it's simple. default
configuration sux, especially in debian that still does "start
stop daemon" inside nginx service unit file.... (ffs!). People
stumble upon problems caused by default configs and instead of
learning things and fixing for their use case, they have breakage
and grow hate.
1307 [11:28:08] <jelly-home> sysadmins do not like changing things
that still work
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1327 [11:49:58] <opal> why do downgrades almost always result in
dependency issues in debian
1328 [11:50:08] <opal> unrecoverable dependency issues at that
1329 [11:50:41] <opal> i mask all "newer" packages in
apt and run `apt update && apt upgrade` and even that
results in a load of issues
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1338 [12:00:38] <petn-randall> opal: Maybe because downgrades are
not supported.
1339 [12:00:41] <petn-randall> !downgrade
1340 [12:00:41] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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1342 [12:04:13] <opal> !testing
1343 [12:04:13] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<buster>. See
replaced-url
1344 [12:04:37] <opal> lovely
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1347 [12:05:06] <genesis> hi, i need to get
replaced-url
1348 [12:06:48] <petn-randall> genesis: You can get the upstream
source from their website:
replaced-url
1349 [12:07:09] <petn-randall> genesis: The Debian source package
is just the upstream source + bits to get it working in Debian.
1350 [12:07:24] <genesis> yes i'd like to get your
libstrongexit stuff
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1353 [12:07:56] <genesis> and others things you provides for my
nixos recipe.
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1355 [12:08:08] <petn-randall> genesis: Just run 'apt-get
source mbrola' if you run Debian, or you can find it here:
replaced-url
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1359 [12:10:11] <genesis> the tarball here is not the source i
gave link
1360 [12:11:01] <genesis> ho oki fine
1361 [12:11:13] <petn-randall> genesis: It's in the diff.gz
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1364 [12:11:34] <genesis>
replaced-url
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1367 [12:12:11] <genesis> you have made a manpage so :o)
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1370 [12:15:56] <no_gravity> Hello! Does anybody know how to
forward a port with iptables?
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1392 [12:48:19] <petn-randall> no_gravity: Probably many people
do.
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1394 [12:49:54] <petn-randall> no_gravity: Depends on the details
though, meaning: From which to which port, is the forward in the
same or a different network, etc.
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1398 [12:50:45] <no_gravity> petn-randall: I treid for like half
an hour and gave up on it. Seems to be overly complex.
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1400 [12:51:07] <no_gravity> This works nicely: ssh -L
81:1.2.3.4:81 1.2.3.4
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1402 [12:53:03] <petn-randall> no_gravity: That forwards your
local port 81 to the remote port 81 on host 1.2.3.4
1403 [12:53:12] <no_gravity> Yes
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1426 [13:21:15] <dasdajs_> Hi people. I've been trying to
grow a raid5 array with mdadm and now after I got that working I now
seem to have problems with my ext3 partitions om the raid array,
when I use fsck.ext3 it tells me: "The superblock could not be
read or does not describe a valid ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystem" -
I've been searching the web and the answers I've found
doesn't help. I haven't overwritten the partition at any
point so its weird why the
1427 [13:21:15] <dasdajs_> superblock is gone. So how do I recover
this partition?
1428 [13:22:14] <jelly-home> do you have the original partition
tables and md layout saved?
1429 [13:22:20] <petn-randall> Hi, I'd like to replace the
aging backup solution with rdiff-backup with something more modern.
My pet peeve with rdiff-backup is that it doesn't deduplicate,
and recovering from a canceled backup takes *ages* (recovery +
backup can easily take 10 hours from my local system). What are the
cool kids using nowadays?
1430 [13:22:46] <jelly-home> petn-randall: I've read nice
things about borgbackup
1431 [13:23:01] <dasdajs_> jelly-home, before I started growing I
made a backup-file but I don't know if that will suffice?
1432 [13:23:24] <jelly-home> dasdajs_: maybe ask in #linux-raid
about md things
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1434 [13:24:08] <dasdajs_> jelly-home, I did, no one is answering
atm, so i'm trying to reach more people
1435 [13:24:40] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: How did you grow the
raid5 exactly? What was the previous, and what the current layout?
1436 [13:24:52] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: Also what metadata
forward are you using?
1437 [13:25:14] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: If you have the exact
commands and output, please share them on
replaced-url
1438 [13:25:46] <jelly-home> dasdajs_: be patient
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1444 [13:30:07] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, I was using this as a
source of material:
replaced-url
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1455 [13:38:39] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: How many devices were
there before, how many after?
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1457 [13:40:42] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, 3 before and 1 after in
that array
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1460 [13:41:51] <jelly-home> dasdajs_: uh, what do you mean
"creating the array again", you would have just had to
assemble ("start") it not create it anew
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1462 [13:42:31] <jelly-home> if you did a create and ignored the
warnings old metadata and old geometry would be lost
1463 [13:42:56] <petn-randall> That's the point where exact
command and output are relevant.
1464 [13:43:24] <jelly-home> I'd probably just restore from
backups and not bother
1465 [13:44:18] <dasdajs_> jelly-home, The raid array was inactive
and the only way I could "give life to it" was by creating
the array again and I don't remember any warnings about
metadata
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1468 [13:45:55] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: *HOW* did you create it.
1469 [13:46:02] <jelly-home> "whoopsies"
1470 [13:46:05] <petn-randall> We need exact commands + output.
1471 [13:46:08] <abrotman> "A magnet..."
1472 [13:46:58] <dasdajs_> with: "mdadm --create /dev/md0
--raid-devices=4 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde1" (made a
fuck up on the last drive sde)
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1474 [13:48:14] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: Yep, that killed your
RAID. Restore from backups.
1475 [13:48:46] <dasdajs_> jelly-home, I ofc was a hero and tried
without any backup because I simply don't have any space to
backup my data on, atm I really don't care any more about the
data cause I been working on this problem for couple of days now :)
1476 [13:49:07] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: If you have stored the
mdadm headers from before, you can try to put them back in place and
assemble the raid again.
1477 [13:49:09] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, how to restore correctly
then if I may ask? I have the backup-file
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1479 [13:49:23] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: note that
"assemble" and "create" are two very different
things.
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1481 [13:49:33] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: Backup file of what
exactly?
1482 [13:49:59] <dasdajs_> when doing the grow command
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1484 [13:50:16] <dasdajs_> "mdadm --grow --raid-devices=4
--backup-file=/root/grow_md0.bak /dev/md0"
1485 [13:51:06] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: That is a temporary
backup so you can resume when the grow command crashes. That's
not a backup of the headers.
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1487 [13:51:31] <spacedust> frankendeb muahaha its aliiiiiiiiiveee
:D
1488 [13:51:33] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, ahhh.... I should've
known that :>
1489 [13:52:15] <spacedust> i have to thank debian , i am using a
debian kernel to boot my non debian system, and it rocks the box :)
virtualbox that is :)
1490 [13:52:28] <petn-randall> spacedust: Congrat, I guess?
1491 [13:52:31] <petn-randall> spacedust: Congrats, I guess?
1492 [13:53:08] <dasdajs_> *The excitement when the problem was
solved*
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1495 [13:54:49] * spacedust hail hail hail
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1498 [13:56:03] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, anyway so are the any
possible way to restore the headers then?
1499 [13:56:14] <spacedust>
replaced-url
1500 [13:56:19] <spacedust> Manowar - Warriors of the World
1501 [13:56:42] <spacedust> how could i get the full source in
/usr/src ? ive got a very small sized directory
1502 [13:56:44] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: If you don't have
backups of the data or the mdadm headers, the data is gone.
1503 [13:57:20] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: A recovery company might
be able to restore the data by using heuristics to guess the stripe
size and the layout, but that will likely cost.
1504 [13:58:44] <petn-randall> *a lot.
1505 [13:59:13] <abrotman> spacedust: why are you spamming youtube
URLs?
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1507 [13:59:58] <spacedust> abrotman: 1 is spam ?
1508 [14:00:03] <abrotman> Yes
1509 [14:00:06] <spacedust> k
1510 [14:00:38] <petn-randall> spacedust: The full source of what?
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1512 [14:01:41] <spacedust> petn-randall: well the built kernel
that boots with debian
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1519 [14:11:10] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, aight, thanks for your
answer :)
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1537 [14:28:50] <flaburgan> hi everyone
1538 [14:29:04] <flaburgan> we just installed a fresh debian 9 and
have trouble with redis
1539 [14:29:29] <flaburgan> apt-get install redis-server
1540 [14:30:12] <flaburgan> but redis is unable to start
1541 [14:31:16] <flaburgan>
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1543 [14:32:12] <abrotman> flaburgan: and what's wrong with
that log file?
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1549 [14:33:58] <flaburgan> well I don't get why it
can't write in it
1550 [14:34:23] <abrotman> flaburgan: ls -al /var/log/redis/
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1552 [14:35:15] <flaburgan> it's empty
1553 [14:35:34] <abrotman> the directory? what are the permissions
on the directory?
1554 [14:35:42] <flaburgan> drwxr-x--- 2 redis redis 4096
Aug 24 14:19 .
1555 [14:35:42] <flaburgan> drwxrwxrwx 10 root root
4096 Aug 24 14:19 ..
1556 [14:35:46] <abrotman> (that's why I asked .. )
1557 [14:35:58] <usney> what's a lightweight dock I can use
with openbox?
1558 [14:36:00] <flaburgan> we tried to chmod to give access to
redis
1559 [14:36:04] <abrotman> is it trying to run as a user other
than redis ?
1560 [14:36:05] <usney> or panel
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1562 [14:36:45] <flaburgan> how can I know? I launch it with
systemctl start redis-server
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1564 [14:36:53] <abrotman> it might be in the conf file
1565 [14:37:04] <abrotman> or check /etc/passwd to see what users
are in there
1566 [14:37:14] <awal1> usney, tint2.
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1568 [14:38:05] <blackflow> flaburgan: any filesystem restrictions
in the unit service file? apparmor rules?
1569 [14:38:06] <awal1> highly configurable and have rich
features. also very lightweight
1570 [14:38:16] <awal1> designed for openbox
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1572 [14:39:18] <abrotman> flaburgan: you could make the dir 777
and see if it starts .. see who owns the log file then, change perms
as necessary .. or if it still fails, see what is going on.
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1576 [14:41:22] <dasdajs_> Is ZFS preferable over mdadm or are
there anything better?
1577 [14:41:52] <blackflow> I'd say yes.
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1579 [14:42:26] <blackflow> but it really depends on what problem
you really want to solve. for me, I say ZFS all the things. that
might not be optimal.
1580 [14:42:29] <genesis> petn-randall : thx for help, i finally
get it works
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1581 [14:42:29] <dasdajs_> blackflow, I've read that alot of
ppl thinks that mdam is better because its older?
1582 [14:42:42] <blackflow> dasdajs_: then drop debian for DOS?
it's older :)
1583 [14:42:47] <awal1> ,v redis-server
1584 [14:42:48] <judd> Package: redis-server on amd64 -- wheezy:
2:2.4.14-1; wheezy-security: 2:2.4.14-1+deb7u2; jessie:
2:2.8.17-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 2:2.8.17-1+deb8u5; stretch:
3:3.2.6-1; stretch-security: 3:3.2.6-3+deb9u1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 3:3.2.6-3+deb9u2; jessie-backports:
3:3.2.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 5:4.0.10-1~bpo9+1; buster:
5:4.0.11-2; sid: 5:4.0.11-2; experimental:
1585 [14:42:49] <judd> 5:5.0~rc4-2
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1587 [14:43:17] <awal1> #900496
1588 [14:43:20] <flaburgan> here is the output of apt-get if it
helps
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1589 [14:43:52] <dasdajs_> blackflow, well.. I don't think
you can draw a analogy between those :) But Yes i'm aware. Can
you tell me, why do you like ZFS better?
1590 [14:44:33] <blackflow> dasdajs_: data checksumming,
snapshots, pooled fs.
1591 [14:44:36] <flaburgan> abrotman, in
/etc/systemd/system/redis.service user is redis and group is redis
1592 [14:44:57] <awal1> flaburgan, not sure if #900496 is related.
I just did a fast bts search
1593 [14:45:51] <flaburgan> it looks like the problem comes from
the service, if I run `redis-server` as root, redis starts
1594 [14:45:52] <dasdajs_> blackflow, data check summing is also
the reason i'm considering it, cause of awsomeness
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1596 [14:46:33] <flaburgan> hm, if I try to launch it as the redis
user, it tells me "Lauching the db permission denied"
1597 [14:46:34] <blackflow> dasdajs_: alternatively there's
btrfs too. but.... there's a rather disconcerting set of
warnings attached to it:
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1598 [14:46:44] <flaburgan> awal1, can I please have the url?
1599 [14:47:08] <blackflow> dasdajs_: frankly, snapshotting is way
awesomer :) snapshot, send|recv, boom bam thank you ma'am, win!
1600 [14:47:18] <blackflow> bug #900496
1601 [14:47:26] <blackflow> huh, I thought the bot parsed that.
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1604 [14:47:40] <flaburgan> !bug #900496
1605 [14:47:43] <awal1>
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1606 [14:47:49] <flaburgan> thx
1607 [14:47:50] <dasdajs_> blackflow, Ye oke, I'll have to
check that out :b
1608 [14:49:25] <flaburgan> awal1, looks related, though it's
not only a wishlist in my case, but a bug
1609 [14:49:54] <awal1> i have no idea. i dont use any server
1610 [14:50:28] * ayekat is looking forward to
'debian-overflow' stepping above 1023
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1612 [14:51:19] <ayekat> then again, 10 bits is not really
something where things overflow... sorry for the noise
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1614 [14:51:22] <blackflow> flaburgan: can you pastebin your
redis-server.service? any overrides? the default runs with
ReadonlyDirectories=/ and needs an override for varlog (which the
default has)
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1617 [14:53:28] <flaburgan>
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1618 [14:57:51] <blackflow> flaburgan: looks default. you're
not overriding it in /etc/systemd/?
1619 [14:58:28] <blackflow> flaburgan: you can check with
systemctl cat redis-server.service and compare with config in /lib
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1621 [15:01:47] <flaburgan> blackflow, I didn't change
anything, the server has been installed this morning so I don't
think there is any override
1622 [15:03:18] <blackflow> flaburgan: well, it WorksForMe(tm), so
I guess it boils down to what kind of additional/different config
you have there. Aside from the usual filesystem permissions, is
there an AppArmor profile? SELinux? any ACLs?
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1625 [15:04:59] <abrotman> flaburgan: if you haven't done
anything with it .. you could purge the package/config, and start
over ?
1626 [15:05:58] <flaburgan> abrotman, yep, that's what I did
without success
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1629 [15:06:16] <abrotman> any "-common" packages that
might need to be purged also?
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1632 [15:12:07] <flaburgan> yes selinux is installed
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1634 [15:12:45] <blackflow> flaburgan: is it enabled? what's
`getenforce` returning? anything in audit wrt that redis log path? a
denial?
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1638 [15:18:16] <flaburgan> libselinux1 is installed, but the
command getenforce does not exist
1639 [15:18:58] <pav5088> Is aptitude no longer installed by
default in Stretch?
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1644 [15:22:30] <pav5088> I installed the default debian
utilities, but aptitude doesn't seem to have been installed.
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1647 [15:24:09] <flaburgan> I tried to install redis on my local
machine, debian 9 too, worked without any problem... I guess
there's something on that server causing the pb
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1676 [15:40:11] <sach> Hi, I am looking for some help with PAM
rules. I have a bunch of LDAP accounts using sssd and a couple of
local accounts configured. My current configuration (also the
default generated)
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1681 [15:41:57] <sach> Results in a whole bunch of authentication
failure messages when LDAP users don't pass the first
pam_unix.so line. I can switch it around but then local account
logins give me those errors then. I've tried a bunch of things
but none work perfectly and I want to be 100% I am not impacting the
security of the system. Any help would be great.
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1697 [15:53:44] <flaburgan> the problem was the symlink with
/var/log to /home/log
1698 [15:54:08] <flaburgan> even if access rights were correct
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1744 [16:25:39] <awal1> how can I project my android phone screen
on my debian?
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1749 [16:27:07] <flaburgan> awal1, what do you mean by project?
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1751 [16:27:29] <flaburgan> I have my android phone screen
displayed inside Firefox to debug webpage
1752 [16:27:37] <flaburgan> you could do that
1753 [16:27:43] <dansan> Hello! I don't suppose there's
a nifty way to boot into the livecd and then change the
overlay's working dir to something persistient is there?
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1756 [16:28:25] <awal1> if I watch something in youtube, see on
chromium/firefox, watch in on my debian laptop (without 3d party
software)
1757 [16:28:27] <awal1> flaburgan
1758 [16:28:52] <awal1> if I watch something in youtube, say on
chromium/firefox, watch it on my debian laptop (without 3d party
software)
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1760 [16:29:30] <ksk> as android is third party software to start
with, Id imagine that is not possible
1761 [16:29:41] <awal1> hm
1762 [16:29:52] <ksk> you can plugin an chromestick into your
TV/monitor and stream to that
1763 [16:30:06] <awal1> chromestick?
1764 [16:30:57] <awal1> ok, googled it
1765 [16:31:25] <flaburgan> yep, chromecast
1766 [16:32:04] <awal1> will check that
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1768 [16:32:17] <ksk> recent vlc version can also stream to a
chromecast
1769 [16:33:01] <ksk> be careful about the vendor lockin before
buying ;) before vlc you could only really stream from a chrome
browser afaik
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1771 [16:33:47] <awal1> ok
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1774 [16:34:19] <awal1> it is just because i have internet only on
my mobile, but i dont like browse web with phone
1775 [16:35:04] <awal1> only on my mobile sometimes ^
1776 [16:35:52] <awal1> i leave in the woods right now:P
1777 [16:36:10] <awal1> far from capitalism bills :D
1778 [16:36:57] <Haohmaru> where no one can hear you scream
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1781 [16:38:30] <flaburgan> awal1, in that case, use your mobile
as a modem
1782 [16:38:42] <flaburgan> plug it with usb to your computer and
share your internet connection
1783 [16:38:44] <flaburgan> that's way easier
1784 [16:39:02] <jhutchins_wk> You can also often make a mobile
phone a wifi hotspot.
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1786 [16:40:03] <awal1> ok, will check that. looks more
interesting. thanks
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1788 [16:40:52] <awal1> Haohmaru, looks like scream hard sometimes
is healthy :P
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1790 [16:41:27] <awal1> and it is exceptional in woods with the
fantastic resonance :D
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1802 [16:47:23] <DammitJim> do you guys know if apcupsd turns off
the server by default when there are 5 minutes left of power or if
that's something that needs to be configured?
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1825 [17:03:51] <petn-randall> dansan: IIRC you need to configure
what it does, look it up in the config.
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1828 [17:04:59] <dasdajs_> blackflow, if the situation is that I
only have 16gb of mem in my server, would you still think that ZFS
is a good solution over mdadm? I need it to run some vms also so
i'm kinda limited
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1850 [17:26:03] <DammitJim> petn-randall, that comment wasn't
for me, right?
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1854 [17:26:38] <petn-randall> DammitJim: Oh sorry, mishighlight.
That was for you.
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1856 [17:26:57] <DammitJim> oh ok, so it's not default.
Thanks!
1857 [17:27:07] <DammitJim> (I don't want it to shut my
machine off at this time)
1858 [17:27:20] <Kaltigk> Hey all. I'm on stretch and having
some trouble with my USB 2.0 ports. - nothing plugged in to them
seems to be recognized or receive power after Debian boots, though
my USB 3.0 ports work fine. When I boot I receive an error message
"usb 4-2 device descriptor read/64, error -32" several
times preceded by different decimal numbers in brackets. I've
looked through errno.h but couldn't locate 32. Anyone have any
recommendations
1859 [17:27:20] <Kaltigk> on where I could find more info on what
that error means?
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1865 [17:30:25] <petn-randall> Kaltigk: From experience, that
usually happens if you plug in a device that requires more power
than the port can deliver.
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1867 [17:30:38] <petn-randall> Kaltigk: The other option would be
faulty wiring.
1868 [17:31:28] <petn-randall> Kaltigk: A well-behaved USB device
would ask for more power, and if it doesn't get it, notify the
system that it won't work. But from experience many devices
aren't cleanly implemented to do that.
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1873 [17:35:12] <Kaltigk> Hmm. The problem seems to occur
specifically once I've booted Debian oddly. The machine dual
boots and the ports work fine when booted in Windows, and I'm
able to boot from usb devices plugged into those ports which makes
me think it's something specific to how my machine is
interacting with Debian - definitely could be wrong though
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1875 [17:35:50] <Kaltigk> I can't find any description for
that error code though, so I'm kind of in the dark
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1878 [17:37:14] <petn-randall> Kaltigk: If you coldboot into
Debian, do the port work fine?
1879 [17:37:24] <petn-randall> *ports
1880 [17:39:41] <Kaltigk> Sorry I'm not familiar with the
term, do you mean from a completely powered down state?
1881 [17:39:59] <Moussa> yes
1882 [17:40:14] <petn-randall> Kaltigk: Yes, it means that
it's powered off, and then you turn it on. As opposed to
rebooting in Windows and then selecting Debian in the bootloader.
1883 [17:40:35] <Kaltigk> Gotcha. Yes, I've tried that
without change
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1887 [17:42:25] <Kaltigk> I also previously had another distro
(Mint) installed alongside at one point, and the ports all seemed to
work there as well if that provides any useful info.
1888 [17:43:05] <Moussa> i had a problem with my USB, but
different error, was a time out related, the USB bus would freeze
1889 [17:43:44] <Moussa> setting the BIOS to IDE from AHCI seems
to fix the problem for me
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1897 [17:46:19] <petn-randall> Moussa: I wouldn't know how
that would even affect the system, other than making it unbootable.
1898 [17:46:40] <petn-randall> Moussa: IDE/AHCI setting is for the
storage controller, which is a different chip than the USB
controller.
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1901 [17:47:38] <Moussa> well neither why debian wont boot unless
a single hd is plugged into the satas port
1902 [17:47:48] <Moussa> sata*
1903 [17:48:14] <Moussa> boot from USB
1904 [17:48:40] <Moussa> weird stuff
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1909 [17:50:06] <Kaltigk> It seems able to boot to a Debian live
image on USB from the USB 2.0 ports, and will respond at the splash
screen (for instance, I can select install, or rescue, etc), but as
soon as I select an option, it stops responding if the device is
plugged into one of those ports
1910 [17:50:28] <Kaltigk> Sorry, not a live image, just the
installer media*
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1912 [17:50:51] <Moussa> that exactly what i was having
1913 [17:51:38] <Moussa> i used netinstall iso as usual
1914 [17:51:59] <Kaltigk> Hmm. I'll check out the UEFI
options I have and see if changing those helps. Right now it's
set to AHCI
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1916 [17:52:39] <Moussa> i disabeld UEFI on mine
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1918 [17:53:17] <Moussa> debian now is installed on a 16gb usb2
stick
1919 [17:53:21] <DammitJim> how do you say UEFI? I say You-EF-Eye
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1921 [17:54:03] <petn-randall> DammitJim: That would spell UFI.
1922 [17:54:09] <greycat> In my head, it has always been "you
ee eff eye".
1923 [17:54:55] <Moussa> and tomorrow we will build the zfs raid
5x2tb
1924 [17:55:09] <Moussa> another dilemma i hope not
1925 [17:55:12] <Kaltigk> That seems related to the issue for me.
I have mine set to UEFI only now, which is how I've installed
Debian. When I had Mint installed it was in legacy mode, with the
boards IOMMU controller enabled, which seemed to affect the USB
ports. When I enable the IOMMU controlled now though Debian is
unable to boot
1926 [17:55:18] <deicide-> anyone here knows his way around
torrents?
1927 [17:55:55] <deicide-> i'm having some really bad time
trying to migrate
1928 [17:56:10] <deicide-> which makes me "jailed" to
windows
1929 [17:56:16] <petn-randall> deicide-: No surveys please, just
straight ask your question.
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1933 [17:56:51] <deicide-> trying to migrate 1000 linus iso's
torrents from windows to linux petn-randall
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1935 [17:56:57] <deicide-> linux*
1936 [17:57:34] <petn-randall> deicide-: You mean you're
seeding them and want to do the same on Linux?
1937 [17:57:51] <deicide-> i guess
1938 [17:58:27] <petn-randall> deicide-: I'd go with one of
the many torrent daemons. Then just dump the downloaded files into
one dir, and the torrents into the incoming dir.
1939 [17:59:34] <deicide-> i did that then manually change the
location since its different then windows and then did force recheck
and 99% of them stay at 0%
1940 [18:00:08] <greycat> I'm not understanding
"manually change the location since it's different than
Windows"
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1943 [18:01:30] <deicide-> example d:/downloads to
/media/user/downloads
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1946 [18:02:15] <greycat> But... you just put the .torrent file
and the .iso file in some place on Linux and then point the Torrent
program at it.
1947 [18:03:10] <deicide-> whats the "appdata" version
of linux again?
1948 [18:03:23] <deicide-> i don't get what you mean greycat
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1950 [18:03:33] <greycat> Which Torrent program are you using?
1951 [18:03:43] <deicide-> qbitorrent
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1955 [18:04:09] <deicide-> used to used utorrent for years until
recently
1956 [18:04:11] <greycat> No such pkg in apt-cache search.
1957 [18:04:52] <petn-randall> greycat: qbittorrent
1958 [18:05:03] <greycat> oh, but qbittorrent exists ... says it
depends on libqt, so it's probably graphical.
1959 [18:05:07] <greycat> Sounds painful.
1960 [18:05:27] <petn-randall> deicide-: I don't know
qbittorrent, but with transmission and rtorrent you can just define
an incoming dir for the *.torrent, and a destination dir where all
the stuff is downloaded to.
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1966 [18:06:39] <deicide-> what would you suggest for how does
one(a really noob one) migrate torrents from windows to linux?
1967 [18:06:51] <greycat> petn-randall has told you a couple times
already
1968 [18:07:12] <deicide-> i'm not familiar with either
software
1969 [18:07:14] <greycat> 1) choose a non-graphical Torrent
program; 2) choose a place to put the files; 3) run the Torrent
program in such a way that it snatches up all the files
1970 [18:07:34] <deicide-> i have to have gui
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1972 [18:08:11] <petn-randall> deicide-: transmission also has a
gui.
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1974 [18:08:24] <greycat> Then you'll have to bang your head
against the graphical interface of your chosen program until you
find whatever knob or button makes it read & seed the .torrent
files.
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1977 [18:09:23] <deicide-> how do i view the .config folder?
1978 [18:09:43] <greycat> Every Torrent program is different and
has its own things. I don't know what a ".config
folder" is.
1979 [18:10:09] <greycat> Maybe you mean the ~/.config directory,
which many programs use. In that case, "ls -l ~/.config"
or whatever.
1980 [18:10:18] <deicide-> i accessed it one time, its exactly
like appdata on windows
1981 [18:10:34] <greycat> Sounds like you mean the ~/.config
directory.
1982 [18:11:13] <deicide-> oh yes thank you
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1985 [18:13:53] <jhutchins_wk> deicide-:
replaced-url
1986 [18:15:08] <awal1> deicide-, which kind of stuff you want to
download via torrent?
1987 [18:15:20] <Moussa> not sure, but i recall transmission had a
gui web interface, but i could be wrong
1988 [18:15:26] <greycat> Near as we can tell, he has the files
already and he wants to seed them.
1989 [18:15:31] <awal1> transmission-gtk is good
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1991 [18:15:39] <deicide-> there are more hidden . folders, how do
i view them
1992 [18:15:46] <greycat> ls -a
1993 [18:15:50] <deicide-> ".folders"
1994 [18:16:04] <Moussa> MC is your friend
1995 [18:16:07] <awal1> or ctrl-. in your file manager
1996 [18:16:37] <Moussa> i meant midnight commander
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1998 [18:17:00] <annadane> mc feels clunky imo if you can do
things via cli
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2002 [18:17:30] <awal1> pcmannfm ctrl-. , thunar ctrl-h nit sure
about nautilus/dolphin
2003 [18:18:04] <deicide-> awal1 i have recently migrated to
debian from linux(still dual booting on different drive windows) and
i have 1000 active seeded torrents i'm trying to migrate them
to linux
2004 [18:18:12] <Kaltigk> Moussa: It was a UEFI setting! Thanks
for pointing me there. I had to enable IOMMU controller AND edit
/etc/default/grub to make grub play nice with the new setting, but
all the ports are working now!
2005 [18:18:12] <deicide-> from windows*
2006 [18:18:58] <Moussa> Kaltigk, as i said weird stuff :-)
2007 [18:19:02] <greycat> Choosing the right Torrent program will
probably be the most important part.
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2009 [18:19:18] <Moussa> not a problem
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2013 [18:23:06] <awal1> deicide-, i just use transmission-gtk for
download debian images, usually; not familiar with torrents stuff.
2014 [18:23:38] <awal1> 'mktorrent' will help you. check
things using apt/apt-cache/aptitude
2015 [18:23:53] <awal1> "aptitude search torrent" for
start
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2017 [18:24:19] <awal1> 'mktorrent' will help you maybe?
2018 [18:24:35] <greycat> I'd start with the programs that
received the most recommendations here, first.
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2020 [18:24:59] <awal1> i think transmission-gtk is very popular
2021 [18:25:29] <jelly> deicide-: which torrent client do you use
on the old OS?
2022 [18:25:34] <Moussa> i 2nd that, and i do not use torrent
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2024 [18:26:10] <Moussa> i had a small play with it
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2026 [18:28:22] <Moussa> and AFAIR, it had a nice GUI web
interface
2027 [18:28:31] <tw> rtorrent, deluge, and transmission are pretty
much your options.
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2030 [18:32:06] <deicide-> qbitorrent
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2032 [18:32:44] <deicide-> brb
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2035 [18:34:58] <tw> ,v qbittorrent
2036 [18:34:59] <judd> Package: qbittorrent on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.9.8-1; wheezy-security: 2.9.8-1+deb7u1; jessie: 3.1.10-1; stretch:
3.3.7-3; buster: 4.0.3-1; sid: 4.0.3-1
2037 [18:35:27] <greycat> It depends on libqt which is a big red
flag in my book.
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2039 [18:36:40] <jelly> Qt apps typically do that, yes
2040 [18:37:14] <tw> there's a -nox version for headless use.
2041 [18:37:18] <tw> also in stretch.
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2056 [18:48:15] <deicide-> i'm back, ragequit to windows
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2059 [18:50:28] <dasdajs_> deicide-, Welcome to a rational world
<3
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2065 [18:52:48] <deicide-> its just painful to work with that os
2066 [18:52:58] <deicide-> especially when nothing works for me
2067 [18:53:33] <jhutchins_wk> deicide-: Did you get those links I
posted to you earlier?
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2070 [18:54:10] <deicide-> no cause they were not related to my
problems
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2072 [18:54:47] <ctcx> If needing to make a script with a menu of
choices, what's the difference between using "case"
and "select"? I could not see many...
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2075 [18:55:02] <greycat> ctcx:
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2076 [18:55:20] <ctcx> Ah thanks.
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2081 [18:59:17] <drith> hello, can anyone confirm on latest debian
testing
2082 [18:59:18] <drith> dmesg
2083 [18:59:18] <drith> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed:
Operation not permitted
2084 [18:59:33] <greycat> That's in stretch, too, if you
aren't root.
2085 [18:59:38] <greycat>
replaced-url
2086 [19:00:03] <drith> didn't knew that, coming from debian
8, thanks
2087 [19:00:04] <ctcx> Actually I would not need something like
GUI to use dialog... Could it be usage of whether "case"
or "select" is a matter of just style?
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2089 [19:00:47] <greycat> "select" is a shell builtin
that gives you a very primitive menu in precisely one format. No
flexibility. If that's good enough, then fine.
2090 [19:01:01] <greycat> "case" has nothing to do with
menus at all.
2091 [19:01:09] <drith> also "su" without " -"
will not change environment variables?
2092 [19:01:18] <greycat> drith: THAT is new in testing, not
stretch.
2093 [19:01:24] <greycat> Err, wait.
2094 [19:01:53] <greycat> The part about it not changing PATH is
new in testing. Not changing *other* env vars is standard behavior.
2095 [19:02:15] <drith> ok, thanks
2096 [19:04:06] <ctcx> Ok, thanks.
2097 [19:04:12] <drith> su can launch synaptic but "su
-" (synaptic:20062): Gtk-WARNING **: 20:03:17.783: cannot open
display:
2098 [19:05:13] <greycat> "su -" clears your environment
including DISPLAY
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2100 [19:05:48] <drith> Alright, that explains it, I was so used
by just su...
2101 [19:06:10] <greycat> Yeah, I don't think the people who
made this change in testing really appreciate just how huge a change
it is.
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2103 [19:07:16] <greycat> I don't want to put anything on a
NewInBuster page for it yet, because they might just decide to tweak
the config file to make it default to the prior behavior. Or not,
who knows.
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2105 [19:08:18] <drith> greycat, can you give a link if there
exists, for that last change?
2106 [19:08:28] <drith> forum or something
2107 [19:08:29] <greycat> A what?
2108 [19:08:36] <greycat> A mailing list discussion?
2109 [19:08:37] <drith> about the su - part
2110 [19:08:56] <greycat>
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2111 [19:09:01] <drith> yes mailing list is good also
2112 [19:09:12] <drith> greycat, thank you
2113 [19:11:18] <drith> Going to change /etc/login.defs , i
can't deal with this change at least for now...
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2117 [19:12:37] <zerocool> hi yall
2118 [19:13:52] <dasdajs_> deicide-, I totally agree.. Ran linux
and bsd only for years but had to install windows because of gaming
and only hours after using it I was close to going back...
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2137 [19:29:25] <phalloid> Greetings! Today, I will tell you
all the true story of how global relations ended up in the shitter.
2138 [19:29:44] <phalloid> Once upon a time, there was a savage,
violent man. His IQ was about 43, and he loved sex with lots
of women. His name was Mohamed...
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2141 [19:30:35] <deicide-> dasdajs_ ive been using windows for 20
years and linux less than few weeks(total time, have it for a year
now)
2142 [19:30:40] <ctcx> greycat: still reading the wooledge bash
wiki. But still, "case" having nothing to do with menus?
So using it is actually an "unorthodox" practice?
2143 [19:30:45] <deicide-> its really hard for me to do the switch
2144 [19:31:14] <deicide-> meanwhile this is what i need to deal
with
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2145 [19:31:33] <greycat> case in bash is just like switch in C.
It lets you compare one value against a bunch of patterns or strings
and then act on whichever thing it matches.
2146 [19:32:14] <greycat> Like: case $1 in start) systemctl start
foobar;; stop) systemctl stop foobar;; esac
2147 [19:33:07] <NetTerminalGene> ,kernels
2148 [19:33:08] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.18.0-rc5-686 (4.18~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-3-686
(4.17.17-1); buster: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); stretch-backports:
4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.17.8-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae
(4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae
(4.9.110-3+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy-
2149 [19:33:09] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
2150 [19:33:24] <phalloid> LONG LIVE THE EVERLASTING EMPORIUM OF
BIRDSHIT!
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2161 [19:35:54] <indigoblu> is there any tools available on debian
for packaging and running from different non-system paths? I have
used and packaged for Redhat's (SCL/softwarecollections.org)
and trying to do the same on Debian. Port SCL wrappers to Debian?
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2163 [19:36:36] <ctcx> greycat: apologizing beforehand for my
ignorance, but that would sound for me like kind of a menu as
well...
2164 [19:37:15] <greycat> ctcx: to me, a "menu" is a
large prompt that is displayed to a user, and then the reading of a
response from that user. This is what "select" does. It is
NOT what "case" does.
2165 [19:37:38] <greycat> case is a programming logic statement,
like if.
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2167 [19:38:05] <jelly> I'd say flow control, not logic, but
yeah
2168 [19:38:10] <greycat> The example I gave earlier could also
have been written: if test "$1" = start; then systemctl
start foobar; elif test "$1" = stop; then systemctl stop
foobar; fi
2169 [19:38:45] <RoyK> greycat: or use 'case'
2170 [19:38:52] <jelly> RoyK: that was the context
2171 [19:38:57] <RoyK> ah
2172 [19:39:12] * RoyK somehow fell out a couple of days, probably
because of a split and +r
2173 [19:39:19] <greycat> We're trying to help ctcx see that
case does not create a menu.
2174 [19:39:42] * jelly whips greycat's tail
2175 [19:39:48] <greycat> You could use case to act upon the
user's response FROM a menu, but case does not actually CREATE
the menu nor collect the user's response.
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2179 [19:44:55] <drith> does anyone know whether virtualbox works
on debian testing/buster?
2180 [19:45:18] <greycat> !debian-next
2181 [19:45:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2186 [19:47:30] <annadane> drith, define "works"... it
may have bugs or not
2187 [19:47:44] <annadane> there's also one in backports if
you need something newer (and you're already on stable), IIRC
2188 [19:47:46] <annadane> ,v virtualbox
2189 [19:47:47] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy:
4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1;
jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib:
4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-7~bpo8+1;
stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.10-dfsg-6~bpo9+1; buster/contrib:
5.2.18-dfsg-1; sid/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-1
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2191 [19:48:05] <annadane> (and if you ARE on stable in the first
place don't add packages from testing or unstable)
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2193 [19:48:36] <drith> I am on testing, but thanks
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2195 [19:49:40] <drith> The thing is that i have used debian for
so many years but lately (last few years) testing feels more
fragile. This my own opinion though.
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2197 [19:50:36] <jelly> the percieved robustness of testing
probably depends more on the release cycle than anything else
2198 [19:51:20] <jelly> but its goal is to BE fragile, so YOU can
file and fix bugs and it can become stable
2199 [19:51:44] <jelly> that's why you're running
testing, right? Right?
2200 [19:51:56] <greycat> Can't think of any other reason to
do it.
2201 [19:52:12] <drith> jelly, that is one reason, also i have
latest ryzen cpu...
2202 [19:52:18] <greycat> If you wanted "stuff with higher
numbers but still usually works" you'd just run unstable
instead.
2203 [19:52:52] <jelly> drith: and in a year or so, normal users
will be able to buy ryzen and run Debian, too. Thank you for your
relentless effort.
2204 [19:53:18] <ctcx> Then, if reasoning correctly, both could be
used depending on how one creates the "menu". I was first
thinking of displaying whole menu just with echoes then using read
command.
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2206 [19:53:57] <greycat> It is common to use case AFTER the user
has selected something from a menu. Regardless of how the menu was
presented.
2207 [19:54:07] <ctcx> But then I read things like
"select" are able to kind of create the menu itself
without echoes.
2208 [19:54:15] <greycat> That part is correct.
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2212 [19:54:49] <greycat> select is an alternative to echo; echo;
echo; echo; while read ... done
2213 [19:55:11] <ctcx> Damn, in bash it's slightly more
complicated than I thought, in the sense there's *more* than
one option to do this
2214 [19:55:14] <jelly> I guess if you had a GUI widget library
you might bind pieces of code directly to UI elements for making the
choice (say, buttons)
2215 [19:55:31] <ctcx> In Windows I remember I just used echoes,
set, and gotos
2216 [19:55:35] <greycat> That's a whole different kind of
programming than shell scripts.
2217 [19:55:49] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I don't see anything
about su in the NewInStretch page.
2218 [19:56:07] <jelly> clearly we need asynchronous shell scripts
with callbacks and hook...ers.
2219 [19:56:20] <greycat> If you want to make GUIs with widgets
and buttons that do things when you click them, I recommend Tk +
whatever REAL language you prefer (Tcl or Python or ...).
2220 [19:56:33] <ctcx> I know, thanks.
2221 [19:56:35] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: because it's not
changed in stretch. only in buster.
2222 [19:56:49] <ctcx> Fortunately I don't need GUIs for what
I need now.
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2225 [19:57:30] <ctcx> Just a shell script menu, though called
from GUI indeed (double-clicking it from file browser)
2226 [19:57:44] <jelly> greycat: but did they pick
"/usr/bin/column" from util-linux as well, that one
actually has nice features instead of breaking nice features
2227 [19:57:54] <drith> jelly, i am a normal user too, and ryzen
is cheap
2228 [19:58:00] <jelly> drith: no, you're not
2229 [19:58:14] <jelly> you chose to but latest hardware and run
linux on it
2230 [19:58:29] <jelly> that's always a pain
2231 [19:58:30] <greycat> jelly: I don't know; it hasn't
come up on debian-user yet, and I don't run testing at the
moment.
2232 [19:58:30] <drith> that is part of the fum
2233 [19:58:35] <drith> *fun
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2235 [19:58:57] <spacedust> give me latest high end hw , ill run
linux on it of course what else ? windivia ?
2236 [19:59:19] <drith> btw nvidia drivers run ok on testing
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2238 [19:59:40] <jelly> spacedust: I don't mind as long as
you don't say how fragile things are in here!
2239 [19:59:51] <annadane> my ego is fragile.
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2241 [20:00:38] <jelly> annadane: but your ego has working sensors
to detect when it's hurt. Unlike ryzen chipsets on linux.
2242 [20:00:44] <drith> jelly, i said that it is my only opinion
because i have done this same thing many times, including laptops
with non working wireless for few months
2243 [20:01:06] <greycat> I'm sure #debian-next will care.
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2245 [20:01:07] <spacedust> jelly: lol ryzens fail to detect when
they hurt and get burned out or what ?
2246 [20:01:27] <spacedust> all hail debian-next
2247 [20:01:51] <jelly> go run /usr/bin/sensors_detect ...
*crickets*
2248 [20:02:11] <ctcx> For "select", do I forcibly need
the PS3 prompt?
2249 [20:02:26] <greycat> Dude, just TRY IT.
2250 [20:03:24] <ctcx> I'm trying it now in fact.
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2252 [20:04:13] <greycat> One of the only good parts about shell
scripting is how easy it is to just *try* something in your shell to
see if it works.
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2254 [20:04:33] <ctcx> Yes, sorry.
2255 [20:04:38] <ctcx> Got it, thanks.
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2257 [20:05:20] <Kobaz> hey, having an issue with default grub2
setup and a btrfs raid-1 root
2258 [20:05:31] <Kobaz> when i do update-grub... it makes an
invalid grub config..
2259 [20:06:04] <Kobaz>
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2260 [20:06:09] <ctcx> Select in bash looks way simpler at first
sight than what I did in the Windows batch. Could it be due to the
difference between kinds of programming, or perhaps I
over-complicated myself with the batch as well?
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2262 [20:06:52] <acidtripper> hi
2263 [20:07:04] <acidtripper> somebody there login with
fingerprint?
2264 [20:07:17] <acidtripper> t460 here want to login just with
finger
2265 [20:07:24] <jelly> ctcx: .bat and .cmd did not have a lot of
syntax to begin with
2266 [20:08:25] <ctcx> jelly: oh, maybe that's why I needed
to certainly use loops there...
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2268 [20:09:09] <greycat> bash (or even legacy sh) is a hell of a
lot more powerful than .BAT (command.com) was.
2269 [20:10:01] <jelly> that's exactly why they named the new
one PowerShell
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2271 [20:11:17] <acidtripper> nobody there login with fingerprint?
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2274 [20:12:09] <jelly> maybe not on laptops
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2278 [20:14:02] <petn-randall> acidtripper: No need for a survey,
just ask your question.
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2280 [20:14:36] <annadane> also it's been like 4 minutes
2281 [20:14:37] <jelly> ,i libpam-fprintd
2282 [20:14:38] <judd> Package libpam-fprintd (admin, extra) in
stretch/amd64: PAM module for fingerprint authentication through
fprintd. Version: 0.7.0-1; Size: 10.5k; Installed: 42k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2285 [20:15:11] <jelly> I'd hunt around those parts of the
woods, acidtripper
2286 [20:16:01] <ctcx> Oohh, so that's the reason behind
PowerShell
2287 [20:16:16] <dasdajs_> Do anyone in here know sauvin?
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2289 [20:16:28] <jelly> dasdajs_: like personally?
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2291 [20:16:42] <greycat> Biblically.
2292 [20:17:03] <spacedust> can i run linux on my PS4 ?
2293 [20:17:12] <jelly> spacedust: not easily
2294 [20:17:40] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: It's best if you
just ask your real question.
2295 [20:17:55] <jelly> spacedust: if you find a unit with VERY
old firmware (2 years or so) there are public exploits
2296 [20:18:16] <dasdajs_> I'm trying to reach him, but not
responding. Was asking him a question :)
2297 [20:18:39] <petn-randall> dasdajs_: sauvin, as the IRC
nickname?
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2299 [20:18:45] <jelly> dasdajs_: leave him a memo on /msg
MemoServ perhaps, or idle in ##linux
2300 [20:18:59] <spacedust> jelly: oh so i need to
"root" it ?
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2302 [20:19:09] <jelly> spacedust: absolutely
2303 [20:19:19] <dasdajs_> petn-randall, yes
2304 [20:19:27] <spacedust> jelly: i once remember we booted a
special os for the ps2 from an sdcard put into a camera connected to
the ps2 via mini usb cable :D
2305 [20:19:42] <spacedust> jelly: was really long time ago but
was awesome :) my buddy hacked the ps2 somehow before that
2306 [20:19:50] <spacedust> jelly: as in hw modded it, himself
2307 [20:19:54] <dasdajs_> jelly, alright, I was idle on ##linux
but they kicked me and hence the reason I need to speak with him
because he was the one. I didn't get a reason which was asking
him for :)
2308 [20:20:14] <acidtripper> judd: i installed it
2309 [20:20:15] <judd> No package named 'installed' was
found in stretch/amd64.
2310 [20:20:16] <spacedust> jelly: so what after you rooted it ?
what can you do then to run linux ?
2311 [20:20:30] <acidtripper> does kde o gnome have some gui promt
for it?
2312 [20:20:34] <acidtripper> or how it works?
2313 [20:20:40] <jelly> dasdajs_: oh, then ask in ##linux-ops
2314 [20:21:03] <dasdajs_> jelly, thanks!
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2318 [20:22:33] <acidtripper> haha judd fingerd
2319 [20:22:37] <acidtripper> :D
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2321 [20:23:41] <greycat> fingerd is no longer a serious thing
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2323 [20:24:04] <jelly> acidtripper: you will probably want to
read the documentation for fprintd, maybe it's in
/usr/share/doc/fprintd or nearby, and figure out how to enroll
fingerprints
2324 [20:24:39] <acidtripper> greycat: what's serious now?
have some security issues?
2325 [20:25:16] <jelly> acidtripper: no, there used to be a
network service called "finger" run by a
"fingerd"
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2327 [20:25:37] <greycat> First of all, judd is a bot. Second,
judd mentioned libpam-fprintd only because jelly told judd to
mention libpam-fprintd. Third, fprintd is NOT the same as fingerd.
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2329 [20:26:05] <acidtripper> hahaha
2330 [20:26:12] <acidtripper> judd: you suck
2331 [20:26:14] <jelly> but fingerd has nothing to do with what
you're after
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2334 [20:26:28] <jelly> please don't belittle the bots
2335 [20:26:44] <acidtripper> hahah so i 'll check about it
2336 [20:26:44] <jelly> they do the best they can
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2339 [20:27:17] <greycat> judd does not suck.
2340 [20:27:50] <jelly> eh, you ought to see the database import
job
2341 [20:28:05] <acidtripper> judd: he's a great boy
2342 [20:28:10] <jelly> it sucks multiple times a day
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2345 [20:34:54] <ctcx> judd: hello
2346 [20:35:10] <ctcx> Mm, it's hibernating.
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2355 [20:43:56] <ralpheeee> after reading a couple of articles am
correct in thinking that sid would be better than the testing as it
receives security patches quicker and packages which might cause
issues will be fixed quicker with sid...sid is more of a rolling
distro as their is never a freeze? ...am reading that testing users
always experience challenges after a stable release....
2356 [20:44:40] <greycat> Sid breaks more often, but gets fixed
more quickly, compared to testing. When testing breaks, it tends to
stay broken for AGES.
2357 [20:45:35] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: sid is not a distro or a
release, it is a repository for packagees making their way into
testing.
2358 [20:45:44] <ralpheeee> greycat: and what is with challenges
testing users experience after a stable release...
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2360 [20:46:14] <ralpheeee> i couldn't get my head around
that
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2362 [20:46:29] <greycat> sid breaks extra hard, extra fast, right
after a release.
2363 [20:46:39] <greycat> those changes trickle down into testing,
in whole or in part.
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2366 [20:46:47] <greycat> usually in part, which makes testing
even MORE broken
2367 [20:46:48] <jelly> ttesting breaks HARDER
2368 [20:46:59] <ralpheeee> jhutchins_wk: never looked at it that
way....so i guess the base is not really stable either?
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2372 [20:47:10] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: Packages that may have
been frozen from the pre-stable testing will be released to move
forward, so you can get a lot of changes at once.
2373 [20:47:19] <jelly> which is not odd because testing is the
sequel
2374 [20:47:37] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: All packages are
eligible for updates/changes in sid.
2375 [20:48:54] <ralpheeee> interesting....thxs for all the
clarifications!!!...still dont know what to choose....lol
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2377 [20:49:48] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: Debian really isn't
a candidate for a rolling release. It's not easy to roll back a
package that breaks something, there aren't really tools for
dealing with problems like that.
2378 [20:50:25] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: What Debian's good
for is having a solid, stable release that you can rely on to behave
consistently throughtout it's release cycle.
2379 [20:50:34] <jelly> a loling release maybe
2380 [20:50:50] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: At the same time, it has
a shorter release cycle than say RedHat.
2381 [20:51:12] <ralpheeee> suppose i shouldn't be lazy and
learn to deal with backports...but dam some of the stable packages
are old....just saying...
2382 [20:51:37] <jelly> there are whole teams and derivatives
distros that aim to make a kind-of rolling release from debian, like
"sidux"
2383 [20:51:50] <jelly> they do a lot of work
2384 [20:52:04] <jhutchins_wk> ralpheeee: Remember that the major
version of a debian package doesn't tell you anything about
patches that have been backported to it. It's not the same
thing as the upstream major version.
2385 [20:52:27] <ralpheeee> jhutchins_wk: ahhhhhhhhh
2386 [20:52:28] <jelly> but those are derivatives and not
.debian.org efforts for a reason
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2388 [20:52:53] <ralpheeee> yeah really do not like
derivatives....!!!!
2389 [20:53:57] <ralpheeee> kinda of a purist when it comes to
linux...
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2391 [20:54:38] <greycat> If you're unsure what to choose,
then you should probably choose the current stable release.
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2393 [20:55:41] <ralpheeee> jhutchins_wk: so if debian patch a
particular package the version number remains the same albeit it
might have all the latest from the newer package?
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2395 [20:56:18] <ralpheeee> greycat: thats what am currently
leaning towards....
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2406 [21:03:32] <jelly> ralpheeee: the version number remains the
same, and only security and other critical bugs get fixed
2407 [21:04:03] <jelly> most other bugs relevant for a stable
release get noted and (sometimes) fixed in unstable
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2410 [21:04:45] <ralpheeee> jelly: cool makes sense now
2411 [21:05:04] <jelly> but at least you _know_ about them and can
make arrangements, and often bug reports document workarounds
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2417 [21:05:43] <Habbie> i'm trying to compile some software
that tells me to 'apt-get install libmysqlclient-dev'
2418 [21:05:46] <Habbie> this does not work on my debian 9
2419 [21:05:52] <Habbie> what's the best term to replace it
with?
2420 [21:06:03] <Habbie> that would, preferably, do something
useful on debian 8, 9, and '10'
2421 [21:06:09] <jelly> ,whatprovides libmysqlclient-dev'
2422 [21:06:12] <jelly> oops.
2423 [21:06:13] <jelly> ,whatprovides libmysqlclient-dev
2424 [21:06:21] <judd> No packages provide
'libmysqlclient-dev'' in stretch/amd64.
2425 [21:06:23] <judd> No packages provide
'libmysqlclient-dev' in stretch/amd64.
2426 [21:06:56] <jelly> Habbie: that's going to be a problem,
because 8 (jessie) has libmysqlclient-dev and 9+ have switched to
maria
2427 [21:07:18] <Habbie> hello jelly (are you the same one from
#powerdns?)
2428 [21:07:26] <Habbie> so i'm not picky about mysql vs.
maria
2429 [21:07:38] <Habbie> i just want docs that allow people that
want to compile powerdns from source to get something working
2430 [21:07:52] <Habbie> i've also pondered just removing
mysql from that apt-get line because not everybody needs it
2431 [21:08:09] <jelly> Habbie: so your debian/control will
probably have to something like Build-Depends: libmysqlclient-dev |
libmariadbclient-dev
2432 [21:08:22] <jelly> (yes it's me)
2433 [21:08:23] <Habbie> our debian/control is nicely versioned,
there is no problem there
2434 [21:08:33] <Habbie> i just want our readme to be useful in a
copy/paste
2435 [21:09:01] <Habbie> E: Couldn't find any package by
regex 'libmysqlclient-dev | libmariadbclient-dev'
2436 [21:09:04] <Habbie> that wasn't it
2437 [21:09:23] <Habbie> ohh
'(libmysqlclient-dev|libmariadbclient-dev)'
2438 [21:09:24] <jelly> Habbie: which tool says that?
2439 [21:09:28] <Habbie> apt-get
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2441 [21:10:01] <jelly> yeah, to get source deps it'd be
ideal to use apt-get build-dep
2442 [21:10:14] <jelly> but then you need deb-src repo
2443 [21:10:18] <Habbie> yes
2444 [21:10:25] <Habbie> so also not the path of least resistance
i'm looking for
2445 [21:10:33] <Habbie> and turns out
'(libmysqlclient-dev|libmariadbclient-dev)' doesn't
work on raspbian 8
2446 [21:10:40] <Habbie> (which until further notice i trust to
mimick debian 8)
2447 [21:11:17] <jelly> a-ha
2448 [21:11:19] <Habbie> so right now i'm at "update
README for debian 9" or "remove mysql from the apt-get
suggestion"
2449 [21:11:32] <jelly> ,v default-libmysqlclient-dev
2450 [21:11:33] <judd> Package: default-libmysqlclient-dev on
amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.0.1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.2; buster:
1.0.4; sid: 1.0.4
2451 [21:11:40] <Habbie> let me try that on 8
2452 [21:11:43] <jelly> crap, does not exist in jessie
2453 [21:11:45] <Habbie> oh
2454 [21:11:55] <Habbie> i saw that in 9 and it looked useful,
indeed, but ugh :)
2455 [21:12:30] <jelly> but it will real useful when debian 12
switches over to libpercona-server-client-dev
2456 [21:12:59] <Habbie> the plan is for that one to yield
'some lib that is mostly mysql compatible for compiling and
linking against'?
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2458 [21:13:15] <jelly> I don't know how to do it in a
oneliner with apt-get
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2462 [21:14:06] <crised> In Debian 9.4, How to enable apt-get from
network?
2463 [21:14:15] <crised> I think it was using the DVD earlier
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2466 [21:15:46] <jelly> Habbie: yes
2467 [21:16:19] <Habbie> jelly, i like that
2468 [21:18:36] <Habbie> ok, i'm going to ignore this README
problem for a few days because it looks like there are no simple
solutions that cover deb8
2469 [21:18:42] <Habbie> other than dropping mysql from it
2470 [21:18:45] <jelly> Habbie: mydev=default-libmysqlclient-dev;
apt-cache policy $mydev | grep -q 'Candidate: [^(] &&
mydev=libmysqlclient-dev; apt-get install ... $mydev ...
2471 [21:18:47] <Habbie> thanks jelly
2472 [21:18:48] * jelly hides
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2474 [21:18:51] <Habbie> haha
2475 [21:18:53] <Habbie> so i do like that
2476 [21:18:57] <Habbie> but i'm not going to do that
2477 [21:20:15] <jelly> I also hate when web sites want me to
paste some incomprehensible crap into the command line
2478 [21:20:50] <bites> crised: you can check if the cdrom lines
are still enables in /etc/apt/sources.list
2479 [21:20:50] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: You might want to look into
Percona DB. They are committed to 100% compatibility with (Oracle)
MySQL.
2480 [21:21:06] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: they are not present in
Debian, tho
2481 [21:21:08] <crised> bites: did that, which ones should be
there?
2482 [21:21:45] <bites> !tell crised about stretch sources.list
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2484 [21:22:18] <bites> crised: assuming you are running stretch
2485 [21:22:32] <Habbie> jhutchins_wk, as does maria, but i was
solving the specific problem of 'what do i tell people on
debian 8, 9 or "10" to apt-get to build our client'
2486 [21:22:38] <bites> ... which you already said. so that.
2487 [21:23:14] <Habbie> jelly, it is my assumption that people
will skim the apt-get line from the README for stupid stuff
2488 [21:23:27] <jelly> you'll have to go with for 8 do this,
for 9 and later, do that
2489 [21:23:35] <Habbie> yeah
2490 [21:23:38] <Habbie> or, again, drop mysql
2491 [21:23:42] <jelly> heheh
2492 [21:23:45] <Habbie> which i'll have to discuss ;0
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2494 [21:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: No, Maria is not committed
to compatibility, they plan on diverging.
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2496 [21:25:52] <Habbie> jhutchins_wk, even in the client lib?
2497 [21:26:21] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: That's probably the
last place you'll see it, I'm not sure what their actual
goals are, but they mean to be independent.
2498 [21:26:33] <Habbie> ok
2499 [21:26:52] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: Percona plans enhancements
too, but will maintain the ability to take in a MySQL DB.
2500 [21:27:09] <Habbie> this makes me wonder if
default-libmysqlclient-dev pointing to maria is the sane choice
2501 [21:27:11] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: You can replicate MySQL to
Percona.
2502 [21:27:18] <Habbie> then again debian can revisit that choice
with every major debian release safely
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2504 [21:27:32] <jhutchins_wk> Anyway, probably irrelevant to your
current task.
2505 [21:27:38] <Habbie> jhutchins_wk, right, that side, while i
care much about that it's not what i'm worried about today
2506 [21:27:46] <Habbie> jhutchins_wk, correct, but i do care, so
i appreciate the information
2507 [21:28:10] <Habbie> DB compatibility matters to us on all
levels
2508 [21:28:26] <Habbie> we recently got a complaint that our
internal use of unsigned ints did not go well with some
postgres-compatible clustering product
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2510 [21:29:01] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie:
replaced-url
2511 [21:29:28] <Habbie> ah, going to read that in a bit, thanks
2512 [21:29:34] <crised> bites: thanks, succesfully upgrade to 9.5
:)
2513 [21:29:37] <dutchfish> Habbie, its int64 in postgres, int
doesnt live there.
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2516 [21:30:19] <Habbie> dutchfish,
replaced-url
2517 [21:30:22] <dutchfish> Habbie, (for unsigned)
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2519 [21:31:20] <Habbie> the linked ticket has -another- case of
impedance mismatch on the range of numbers
2520 [21:32:24] <dutchfish> Habbie, not the same but related:
replaced-url
2521 [21:33:03] <Habbie> dutchfish, tl;dr numbers in postgres are
signed unless you constrain them?
2522 [21:33:16] <dutchfish> Habbie, right
2523 [21:33:21] <Habbie> understood
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2526 [21:33:54] <jelly> in any case maria is not going to be crazy
enough to break source level client API in a backwards incompatible
way
2527 [21:34:21] <Habbie> jelly, that is what i'd expect, yes
2528 [21:34:35] <jelly> you don't aggravate customers or
distros needlessly
2529 [21:34:52] <jelly> well, maybe if you're MS or Oracle.
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2531 [21:35:20] <Habbie> hehe
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2536 [21:35:47] <hans_> where is the testing channel?
2537 [21:35:52] <hans_> buster
2538 [21:36:06] <dutchfish> Habbie, #debian-next (OFTC)
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2541 [21:36:18] <hans_> thanks
2542 [21:36:19] <dutchfish> oh, that was for hans
2543 [21:36:27] <Habbie> worked out fine :)
2544 [21:37:38] <jelly> Habbie: oh btw the official #debian (and
everything #debian-*) is also on OFTC. But this one is still bigger.
2545 [21:38:03] <Habbie> jelly, ah, i just guessed, i suppose i
picked right :)
2546 [21:38:13] <Habbie> having both seems confusing to me though
2547 [21:38:49] <greycat> All the devs moved to OFTC and all the
users stayed here.
2548 [21:38:55] <Habbie> ah
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2601 [22:28:53] <ralpheeee> just finished reading debian back
ports...surprisingly simple....or as usual i am missing
something.../o\...what would be the major issues i would face if i
did a stable net install and backported my packages....
2602 [22:29:34] <greycat> What packages are you talking about?
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2604 [22:30:51] <ralpheeee> libreoffice, mpd ncmpcpp, ie not base
system packages like xorge etc... if that made sense
2605 [22:31:13] <ralpheeee> *xorg
2606 [22:31:16] <greycat> ,v libreoffice
2607 [22:31:17] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u11;
jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11;
stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3; jessie-backports:
1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4;
stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-backports:
1:6.0.5-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.1.0-1; sid:
2608 [22:31:18] <judd> 1:6.1.0-1
2609 [22:31:37] <greycat> ,v mpd
2610 [22:31:38] <judd> Package: mpd on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.16.7-2+b1; jessie: 0.19.1-1.1; jessie-backports: 0.19.12-1~bpo8+1;
stretch: 0.19.21-1; buster: 0.20.21-1; sid: 0.20.21-1;
jessie-multimedia: 1:0.19.9-dmo2; stretch-multimedia:
1:0.19.21-dmo4; buster-multimedia: 1:0.20.21-dmo1; sid-multimedia:
1:0.20.21-dmo1
2611 [22:31:55] <greycat> ,checkbackport mpd
2612 [22:31:56] <judd> Backporting package mpd in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch, archignore, stretch-backports.
2613 [22:32:15] <greycat> So far so good. Have fun. (There's
already a libreoffice backport, so you can just use that.)
2614 [22:32:31] <ralpheeee> \o/
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2620 [22:34:34] <ralpheeee> friggin awesome.....how did you guys
see test if those packages where compatible....here?
replaced-url
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2628 [22:38:53] <cnrhkiyf> hello guys, i want to stream alsa
output audio over ssh like in this tutorial:
replaced-url
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2631 [22:40:03] <RoyK> cnrhkiyf: not quite sure what to recommend,
but never heard of audio streaming over ssh - there are a few
client/server solutions designed for audio that should work better,
though
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2634 [22:40:43] <cnrhkiyf> yes i know that but I want to do this
and I know it is working
2635 [22:40:52] <cnrhkiyf> but i cant set it up
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2651 [22:51:18] <RoyK> cnrhkiyf: what sort of client?
2652 [22:51:45] <RoyK> cnrhkiyf: if you have a tcp socket for the
audio localy, an ssh tunnel should do well
2653 [22:52:04] <cnrhkiyf> both machines are running debian
stretch
2654 [22:52:24] <cnrhkiyf> the streaming pc has pulseaudio and the
playing pc has alsa only
2655 [22:52:47] <cnrhkiyf> can you explain that a little more?
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2657 [22:53:00] <RoyK> last I checked, alsa doesn't deal with
sockets
2658 [22:53:13] <RoyK> only a device
2659 [22:53:19] <RoyK> so you'll need something on top
2660 [22:55:06] <cnrhkiyf> ok this does not help me but thanks ;)
2661 [22:55:31] <cnrhkiyf> and i think ssh + sox + alsa should be
enough
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2664 [22:56:25] <jhutchins_wk> cnrhkiyf: One reason for the
existence of pulseaudio is to enable playing/streaming to a remote
device. Alsa has some capability to do this, but maybe not over ssh.
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2666 [22:56:43] <cnrhkiyf> see my link above
2667 [22:57:13] <cnrhkiyf> there are more tutorials like this so
it should work well if you set it up correctly
2668 [22:57:19] <greycat> Why would we bother reading a link that
you have already reported *does not work*?
2669 [22:57:36] <cnrhkiyf> it works, just not on my setup
2670 [22:57:40] <greycat> If there are other tutorials that work,
why are you asking *us* instead of following one of them?
2671 [22:57:50] <greycat> If you have got it to work before, then
do it here.
2672 [22:58:03] <jhutchins_wk> cnrhkiyf: Google returns about
1,500,000 results for "stream audio over ssh".
2673 [22:58:16] <cnrhkiyf> but not for stream audio alsa ssh sox
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2677 [22:59:54] <jhutchins_wk> cnrhkiyf: Did you check all of
them?
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2679 [23:00:16] <jhutchins_wk> cnrhkiyf: If you're inflexible
about the recipie you may not enjoy the outcome.
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2683 [23:00:51] <jhutchins_wk> cnrhkiyf: You may be using a
screwdriver to drive nails.
2684 [23:01:03] <cnrhkiyf> i know pulseaudio can do this
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2686 [23:01:12] <cnrhkiyf> but i cant use pulseaudio on the second
machine
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2688 [23:01:32] <greycat> So you move on to the next google/ddg
result.
2689 [23:01:34] <cnrhkiyf> so I have to use alsa and ssh. and I
dont know another way than sox to do this
2690 [23:01:43] <greycat> Stop assuming.
2691 [23:01:51] <cnrhkiyf> im not assuming
2692 [23:02:02] <greycat> Just search for "linux stream audio
alsa". Don't add other requirements like "it has to
use sox".
2693 [23:02:25] <greycat> Don't even assume it has to use
ssh.
2694 [23:02:26] <cnrhkiyf> so what would you use?
2695 [23:02:30] <greycat> I would use google.
2696 [23:02:38] <cnrhkiyf> ok so you dont know
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2698 [23:02:44] <greycat> *plonk*
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2700 [23:03:13] <cnrhkiyf> are you like 5 or what?
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2702 [23:03:36] <greycat> Unlike you, I *actually* googled it and
I found a guide that looked quite promising, but of course I did not
actually test it here at work where I have no speakers or headphones
or any other kind of sound-producing apparatus.
2703 [23:03:57] <cnrhkiyf> so just shut up if you cant help
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2706 [23:04:46] <awal1> cnrhkiyf, greycat and others are not
blaming you. just trying to give you pistes
2707 [23:04:57] <awal1> slow down
2708 [23:05:16] <cnrhkiyf> i know but i dont like his attitude
2709 [23:05:31] <cnrhkiyf> he can do that to other people if he
likes but not with me
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2711 [23:05:49] <cnrhkiyf> it is not his channelk
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2714 [23:06:05] <cnrhkiyf> and he is not the one making the rules
for everyone
2715 [23:06:08] <awal1> you are talking with some of the most
helpfull users here
2716 [23:06:24] <cnrhkiyf> yeah but for me he is not helpful
2717 [23:07:10] <cnrhkiyf> if I say i want to do it my way he has
to respect that and not playing games with me
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2719 [23:07:41] <awal1> everyone have it's own
attitude/character. take it easy
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2721 [23:08:01] <awal1> !ask
2722 [23:08:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2724 [23:09:12] <awal1> If you don't get an answer try a few
hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart
questions><errors>.
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2730 [23:26:14] <usney> hey guys I figure out how to connect to
wifi without a graphical user interface
2731 [23:27:01] <usney> where is the best place to make a post so
others know how to do this? because it didn't work quite how
all the guides told me how to do it.
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2733 [23:28:24] <usney> M-6 how do I enter that in to copy a line
in nano and paste in pure command line interface?
2734 [23:28:55] <usney> newbie learning how to do everything from
the commandline
2735 [23:29:03] <usney> don't get m-6 option
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2738 [23:30:12] <Emil> wtf, why was I kicked: 2018-08-01 15:49:04
+0300 -!- Emil was kicked from #debian by debhelper [NICK flooder]
2739 [23:30:17] <Emil> your bot went haywire
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2741 [23:30:30] <Emil> Anycase: I'd like to ask about the bsd
nc package
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2743 [23:31:32] <Emil> Apparently with the 2012 version (at least
the manual is 2012) nc automatically closes when I sent
shutdown/close, but with the 2015 version (based on manpage), the nc
stays active until any keys are pressed
2744 [23:31:35] <awal1> usney,
replaced-url
2745 [23:31:45] <Emil> I'm wondering if this a known
regression or just something in my end?
2746 [23:32:09] <usney> yes it was awall but I had to combine two
guides to get it to work right
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2748 [23:32:18] <usney> well I'll look again to be sure
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2750 [23:32:31] <usney> maybe with debian 9.5 you have to do it a
little different
2751 [23:34:18] <usney> awall when I am at a pure text mode how do
I paste what I copied from nano into the command line after I exit
nano or switch screens with screen?
2752 [23:35:06] <Kaltigk> usney: if you want to paste a line you
have on your clipboard into a terminal, usually ctrl+shift+v will do
it
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2754 [23:35:50] <usney> yes I know that Kaltigk
2755 [23:36:02] <usney> I am talking about if you are not in the
graphical environment
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2757 [23:36:34] <usney> well let me try it again
2758 [23:36:44] <usney> brb
2759 [23:36:57] <n4dir> gpm or similar will create mose like copy
paste in cli
2760 [23:38:01] <n4dir> i usually get away with cat; grep,
reditection; etc
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2764 [23:39:28] <Kaltigk> Yeah, I'm not sure about copy paste
if you're not running any kind of desktop environment. I def.
could be wrong about this, but I feel like I remember the desktop
environment handling the registers that text is copied and pasted
from across the system. Not sure where it would be stored if you cut
a line from within nano or a text editor and then closed it?
2765 [23:40:31] <usney> well you can use screen to keep it opened
2766 [23:40:59] <Kaltigk> In other words, I'm not sure if
when you are working in a terminal that there is a sessionwide
clipboard or not - someone else might be able to confirm. I'd
probably try what n4dir suggested in terms of saving it as a file
and using redirection, etc
2767 [23:41:14] <bites> screen has a copy buffer.
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2769 [23:41:31] <usney> nice
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2776 [23:43:51] <RoyK> some people choose to use tmux instead of
screen, though, but then, choose what works for you
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2780 [23:44:54] <RoyK>
replaced-url
2781 [23:45:30] <usney> hi RoyK
2782 [23:45:47] <awal1> usney, i use gpm, for copy/paste . or
ttyrec for recording
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2784 [23:46:13] <usney> guess what I found out that orange pi pc
plus works with kodi and retroarch
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2788 [23:46:33] <usney> it is called
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2792 [23:46:57] <RoyK> the fine thing about linux/unix is that
there's about 20 ways to do each thing and combined the make up
a large number ;)
2793 [23:47:12] <usney>
replaced-url
2794 [23:47:31] <usney> can't wait to get my orange pi pc
plus
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2796 [23:48:22] <RoyK> usney: what sort of games can you run on
those?
2797 [23:48:40] * RoyK has an opi zero somewhere…
2798 [23:48:56] <usney> retroarch can play like n64 and
playstation 1
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2800 [23:49:10] <usney> but I guess it depends on the specs of the
board
2801 [23:49:49] <bites> i guess now is the time to stock up on
roms before they take everything down?
2802 [23:49:51] <usney> also I think retroarch can play psp games
but you probably need a better board for that but I don't know
2803 [23:50:33] <usney> zelda outlands is a pretty cool zelda hack
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2807 [23:54:19] <RoyK> bites, copyright nazis around?
2808 [23:54:50] <avernos> tried following the
replaced-url
2809 [23:55:23] <bites> nintendo has been sending their lawyers
after rom sites lately.
2810 [23:55:59] <RoyK> get it on torrent
2811 [23:56:03] <avernos> apt says nvidia-driver : This may mean
that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using
the unstable
2812 [23:56:03] <avernos> distribution
2813 [23:56:04] <apt> avernos: that's too long
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2815 [23:56:35] <RoyK> !debian-unstable
2816 [23:56:40] <RoyK> !sid
2817 [23:56:40] <dpkg> somebody said sid was the codename for
<unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys.
The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to
keep ALL the pieces!!
2818 [23:57:01] <RoyK> avernos: don't use sid
2819 [23:57:19] <RoyK> !debian-next
2820 [23:57:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2822 [23:57:55] <RoyK> dpkg: debian-unstable is debian-next
2823 [23:57:57] <dpkg> okay, RoyK
2824 [23:58:09] <avernos> RoyK, Debian 9.5
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