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10[00:02:11] <crookedport> hi, anyone knows how can i download torrent files from debian ?
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16[00:04:57] <jelly> crookedport, get a torrent client like transmission-gtk or rtorrent or deluge
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18[00:05:31] <crookedport> jelly which one would you recommend ?
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21[00:05:55] <coolbuntu> linux sucks lol
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28[00:07:50] <jelly> crookedport, that _was_ a rough order of preference
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31[00:08:52] <crookedport> im downalod the rtorrent
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34[00:08:57] <crookedport> downloading
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37[00:09:52] <jelly> rtorrent is terminal based and has rather weird key bindings.
38[00:09:57] <dom21232> stagefight exploit ?
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42[00:10:20] <jelly> dom21232, are you in the right channel?
43[00:11:14] <dom21232> i dont think so
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52[00:15:54] <ksft> I'm using Irssi in gnome-terminal, and the alt-number shortcuts to switch windows aren't working
53[00:16:08] <ksft> It worked with this terminal on Ubuntu.
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57[00:18:18] <starsnet> hi, all. help me, plz
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59[00:19:14] <starsnet> where source programs are?
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61[00:19:31] <starsnet> in /usr/src ?
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63[00:19:49] <bithon> hello
64[00:19:51] <jelly> starsnet, in deb-src repositories, you need to uncomment the lines starting with deb-src in /etc/apt/sources.list
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67[00:20:14] <jelly> starsnet, the source is not present on your system by default
68[00:20:16] <bithon> how "bleeding edge" is debian ?
69[00:20:21] <aaro> ksft, try esc-number
70[00:20:25] <bithon> I'm looking for a main distro and heard good things about debian.
71[00:20:38] <bithon> i have run ubuntu on my computer in the past, and have run arch as my development server
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73[00:21:04] <ksft> aaro: oh, that works
74[00:21:12] <starsnet> jelly: i want install SBCL (LISP) on Debian7. but apt-get install say - no)
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78[00:21:33] <starsnet> jelly: have sbcl-source only
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81[00:22:44] <jelly> ,v sbcl
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83[00:22:45] <judd> Package: sbcl on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.57.0-2; jessie: 2:1.2.4-2; stretch: 2:1.3.7-1; sid: 2:1.3.8-1
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86[00:23:25] <starsnet> jelly: &
87[00:23:30] <starsnet> jelly: ?
88[00:23:34] <jelly> starsnet, an older version of sbcl seems to be available in wheezy (debian 7)
89[00:24:06] <jelly> starsnet, pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list file from your installation
90[00:24:09] <jelly> !paste
91[00:24:09] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
92[00:24:25] <starsnet> jelly: may be. but my mashine - MIPS)
93[00:24:42] <jelly> starsnet, what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
94[00:25:12] <starsnet> jelly: mipsel
95[00:25:18] <jelly> ,v sbcl --arch mipsel
96[00:25:19] <judd> No package named 'sbcl' was found in mipsel.
97[00:25:46] <starsnet> jelly: it is MIPS Creator CI20 - SoC
98[00:26:01] <jelly> starsnet, it seems debian maintainers did not manage to build it on mipsel
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100[00:27:23] <starsnet> jelly: replaced-url
101[00:27:33] <starsnet> jelly: replaced-url
102[00:27:53] <starsnet> jelly: can i install it ?
103[00:28:05] <jelly> 1.0.28 sounds even older than 1.0.57.0 from debian 7
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105[00:28:36] <jelly> I have no idea whether it will work on your system or not
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107[00:28:47] <jelly> !mips
108[00:28:48] <dpkg> MIPS is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
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111[00:30:37] <jelly> starsnet, there's a #debian-mips channel on irc.oftc.net (different network!) but it has like 15 people total
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114[00:31:20] <jelly> you could try ask there but do not expect quick answers
115[00:31:29] <starsnet> jelly: thx for #debian-mips !)
116[00:32:05] <starsnet> jelly: what is this: sudo dpkg -l | grep sbcl -> ii sbcl-source 2:1.0.57.0-2 all Source code files for SBCL
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118[00:32:28] <starsnet> jelly: it's source ?
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121[00:32:53] <starsnet> sbcl 1.0.57 sources ?
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124[00:34:17] <jelly> starsnet, "apt-cache show sbcl-source" will show you a longer Description (among other things)
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126[00:35:27] <jelly> it's not source code in format that debian used to make .deb packages
127[00:35:48] <jelly> you get that from deb-src repos.
128[00:35:56] <jelly> !package rebuild
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130[00:35:56] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
131[00:36:07] <umoukun> I just setup ghost/nodejs and nginx, am running it via a user that only has privileges in /var/replaced-url
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133[00:36:18] <jelly> starsnet, and use something like ^^ to build from source into deb packages
134[00:36:32] <umoukun> if someone hacks ghost/etc is there anything more I can do for security?
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136[00:36:49] <starsnet> Package: sbcl-source Source: sbcl Version: 2:1.0.57.0-2 Installed-Size: 15749 Maintainer: Debian Common Lisp Team <pkg-common-lisp-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> Architecture: all Replaces: sbcl (<< 1:0.8.20.5-3), sbcl-common (<= 1:0.9.13.0-2) Breaks: sbcl-common (<= 1:0.9.13.0-2) Description-en: Source code files for SBCL This package provides the source code for SBCL -- a development environment for the ANSI Common Lisp language.
137[00:36:51] <starsnet> ))
138[00:37:09] <pugfantus> umoukun: chroot it?
139[00:37:14] <starsnet> Filename: pool/main/s/sbcl/sbcl-source_1.0.57.0-2_all.deb
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141[00:37:37] <jelly> please don't paste that output here :-(
142[00:37:56] <starsnet> ok. sorry
143[00:38:10] <stoned> !paste
144[00:38:11] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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147[00:39:13] <umoukun> pugfantus: thanks, I didnt think of chroot
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149[00:39:30] <pugfantus> np
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151[00:39:39] <PugaBear> *pinged*
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153[00:40:12] <RoyK> *ponged*
154[00:40:20] <umoukun> *ping*
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156[00:40:25] <starsnet> jelly: sbcl-source_1.0.57.0-2_all.deb - it's sources, or what ?
157[00:41:03] <jelly> starsnet, it's sources, but not in a format that's useful to build executables.
158[00:41:03] <stoned> table tennis is fun
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161[00:41:21] <starsnet> jelly: ok
162[00:41:29] <jelly> starsnet, you get those with "apt-get source sbcl"
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167[00:43:55] <starsnet> jerry: wow) apt-get source sbcl - downloaded sources. what's next ?
168[00:44:10] <starsnet> compile ?
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170[00:44:41] <jelly> starsnet, read /msg dpkg package rebuild
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185[00:48:09] <starsnet> jelly: I do not understand. I am new to linux. what I should do?
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187[00:48:57] <umoukun> starsnet: really?
188[00:49:09] <stoned> Wait.
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190[00:49:21] <starsnet> umoukun: yes)
191[00:49:22] <stoned> steel bank common lisp wants to get installed
192[00:49:26] <stoned> And you don't know linux?
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194[00:49:32] <starsnet> no)
195[00:49:33] <stoned> That's ... alright. I guess.
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198[00:50:03] <stoned> I read the backlog.
199[00:50:08] <stoned> Follow the bot directions
200[00:50:21] <stoned> Feel free to clarify each step w/ us if you need to.
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202[00:50:46] <umoukun> starsnet: really???????
203[00:50:47] <starsnet> i little khow netbsd. in linux - newer)
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207[00:52:16] <stoned> starsnet: you did step 3
208[00:52:33] <stoned> starsnet: now follow on to step 4
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211[00:53:05] <starsnet> stoned: and what is step 4 ?
212[00:53:34] <stoned> !tell starsnet about package rebuild
213[00:53:45] <stoned> check your private message window from bot dpkg
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215[00:53:59] <stoned> that won't get lost in channel traffic
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217[00:54:52] <stoned> If you are not modifying rules or other package config/source, you don't need to probably go through all this. apt=get -b source sbcl (or whatever) should do the trick in one shot.
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219[00:55:10] <starsnet> ok. i see)
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226[00:58:41] <bmomjian> Is there anything special in a file system that makes it bootable? If I tar up the root file system while booting from a CD, copy it somewhere else, mkfs the device, and restore the files, will it still boot?
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228[00:58:57] <bmomjian> I want to switch my boot file system from ext3 to ext4 on Jessie.
229[00:59:32] <starsnet> build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied (
230[01:00:20] <stoned> starsnet: paste the output on paste.debian.net or something (/msg dpkg pastebinit) if you are on cli
231[01:00:23] <stoned> or check sprunge.us
232[01:00:28] <Johann> bmomjian: well, it could work, but you will probably have to change your fstab and mark the partition as bootable
233[01:00:53] <bmomjian> yes, I need to change the root uuid, right?
234[01:01:08] <Johann> yeah and the partition types
235[01:01:14] <Johann> you will probably have to reinstall grub too
236[01:01:19] <bmomjian> yes, partition type.
237[01:01:39] <Johann> and well, i'm not *sure* that's all you'd have to do
238[01:01:43] <bmomjian> oh, I am confused by update-grub, grub-install, and grub-install --recheck
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240[01:02:10] <bmomjian> I have seen each of those used, and can't find the difference.
241[01:02:20] <stoned> What are you doing?
242[01:02:21] <bmomjian> something like: grub-install /dev/sda
243[01:02:24] <stoned> Why are you doing this?
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245[01:02:34] <stoned> You dont' have to reformat to ext4 and reinstall everything.
246[01:02:37] <bmomjian> change ext3 to ext4 on boot partition
247[01:02:38] <stoned> Just use tune2fs
248[01:02:45] <stoned> add your extents
249[01:02:47] <bmomjian> uh, I kind of have everything installed already
250[01:02:54] <stoned> add the ext4 kernel module if you haven't already and there you go.
251[01:02:59] <bmomjian> tune2fs does not full convert to ext4
252[01:03:12] <bmomjian> all other file systems are ext4 already
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254[01:03:39] <stoned> This is for /boot correct?
255[01:03:47] <Johann> bmomjian: it's only your boot partition that is ext3 and that you want to convert ?
256[01:03:51] <stoned> You don't need ext4 features for /boot
257[01:04:01] <bmomjian> for root fs
258[01:04:06] <stoned> oh
259[01:05:03] <starsnet> stoned: i am pasted in debian.net thx)
260[01:05:26] <stoned> What is the link?
261[01:05:32] <Johann> bmomjian: anyway what you said *should* work even if you may have to tweak a couple of things, but that's by all means not usual and you should be ready to reinstall the system from scratch. So backup datas and conf in a way that is easy to restore
262[01:05:47] <Johann> (and if you do that, it might be easier to reinstall anyway.. but that's your call)
263[01:06:00] <bmomjian> yes, I am making my third backup now that will be outside the server.
264[01:06:12] <bmomjian> I already have two backup drives in the server.
265[01:06:14] <stoned> starsnet: give us the link for the paste
266[01:06:36] <stoned> starsnet: it would be paste.debian.net/<6 digits here>
267[01:06:39] <bmomjian> there would be many config files to reinstall on a fresh install
268[01:06:49] <starsnet> stoned: replaced-url
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270[01:07:35] <stoned> starsnet: install the packages listed on line 7
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272[01:08:33] <starsnet> stoned: all ? (texinfo zlib1g-dev texlive-extra-utils texlive graphviz texlive-generic-recommended texlive-font-utils time)
273[01:08:33] <stoned> starsnet: apt-get build-dep sbclsomethingwhatever the name is
274[01:08:39] <stoned> no, build-dep
275[01:08:42] <stoned> man apt-get
276[01:08:47] <starsnet> ok
277[01:08:49] <stoned> read the manual too (if you get a chance)
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279[01:09:29] <stoned> starsnet: I mean yes, all those, but build-dep directive should take care of it
280[01:10:45] <stoned> starsnet: if you had followed the steps, this was step #2 in the bot factoid in your msg
281[01:11:18] <stoned> aptitude -R build-dep packagename OR apt-get build-dep packagename
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283[01:11:29] <stoned> Follow the bot instructions very precisely
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287[01:12:02] <starsnet> stoned: i can't doing step 2 *confused/ ) one moment plz
288[01:12:38] <stoned> starsnet: step 2 is a whole bunch of commands seperated by ; make sure you dont' copy paste. Make sure you read and understand the process.
289[01:12:41] <stoned> take your time
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320[01:33:27] <Velveeta_Chef> How do I go about accessing my Galaxy Note5 and mounting it like a USB drive in Debian?
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327[01:39:26] <themill> Velveeta_Chef: you probably can't. You might be able to connect it as a media device (mtp) though
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329[01:40:04] <tom99> erm
330[01:40:20] <tom99> so in gnome if I move my cursor to the upper west of the screen I'm supposed to get an "overview" mode
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334[01:40:40] <tom99> But I see just a tooltip that says "Browse and run installed applications"
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336[01:41:36] <tom99> i have gdm3 runnign so i think i have gnome3
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352[01:48:12] <starsnet> stoned: are you here?)
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366[01:54:27] <tom99> okay I got it to work on whezy
367[01:54:27] <tom99> *wheezy
368[01:54:46] <tom99> if you want a shortcut on the desktop in debian open nautilus find the program in /usr/bin you want to add to the desktop
369[01:54:46] <climjark> hello all :D
370[01:54:56] <tom99> Right click and select Copy to and then choose Desktop
371[01:55:08] <tom99> But to get this to work you need to give Nautilus control of the desktop
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374[01:55:38] <tom99> To do that Go to the menu in gnome debian menu and choose Applications->System Tools->Preferences->Advanced settings
375[01:55:38] <starsnet> can anybody help me? replaced-url
376[01:56:03] <tom99> And then toggle the setting "Have file manager handle the Desktop"
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378[01:56:28] <tom99> Also this is why linux is never going to succeed for the ordinary user. lol
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380[01:57:34] <themill> The ordinary user can't do it in windows either. (I know, I've watched them try.)
381[01:58:03] <awal1> gnu/linux isn't just gnome-shell/gnome3 :P
382[01:58:40] <tom99> awal1: lol I sh ould install Mint or Ubuntu and see if it's simplified
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385[01:59:06] <Velveeta_Chef> themill, thanks once I installed mtp-tools I was all set
386[01:59:13] <themill> :)
387[01:59:22] <themill> starsnet: ignoring build-dependencies is not the right to do; don't build as root
388[01:59:23] <stoned> Velveeta_Chef: I use KDE and kio-mtp plugin works really nicely in Dolpon
389[01:59:27] <stoned> Dolphin
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391[01:59:44] <stoned> Velveeta_Chef: replaced-url
392[01:59:50] <awal1> why mint/ubuntu, you have a lot of choice in debian, it's a matter of DE not a distribution, tom99
393[01:59:59] <starsnet> themill: and how build ?
394[02:00:13] <stoned> starsnet: yes i am now
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396[02:00:26] <starsnet> stoned: replaced-url
397[02:01:18] <stoned> you are missing sbcl dependency, you did -d to override and that failed
398[02:02:08] <starsnet> stoned: yes. but i install all on step 2. all right
399[02:02:26] <Velveeta_Chef> stoned: oh, nice, I have KDE installed but have been prefering Fluxbox lately
400[02:02:48] <stoned> I use Xmonad, but some kde apps, some gtk apps (try not to I hate gtk)
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402[02:02:57] <starsnet> what's is: ask me about <debian/rules>
403[02:03:11] <gruuu> on jessie, the group "power" is not used anymore ?
404[02:03:13] <stoned> starsnet: that file modifies how package build details are etc.
405[02:03:28] <gruuu> I remember it was default before
406[02:03:36] <stoned> !debian/rules
407[02:03:36] <dpkg> debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>.
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410[02:04:53] <stoned> starsnet: does wheezy not have sbcl?
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413[02:06:06] <starsnet> stoned: in binary ?
414[02:06:13] <themill> ,v sbcl wheezy
415[02:06:14] <judd> Package: sbcl on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.57.0-2
416[02:06:37] <stoned> He is on mips
417[02:06:42] <themill> ,v sbcl wheezy mips
418[02:06:43] <judd> No package named 'sbcl' was found in wheezy/mips.
419[02:06:45] <stoned> nothing.
420[02:06:50] <stoned> I just read the backlost
421[02:06:52] <stoned> log*
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424[02:07:07] <themill> starsnet: you just build as your normal user. You might need to clean up the source tree as there will be root-owned files now.
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426[02:07:32] <themill> But if the package doesn't exist for mips in wheezy, that is probably because it doesn't build for mips in wheezy.
427[02:08:20] * DeaDSouL debian, debian, debian... The only distro feels like home <3 .... somehow, I should thank ubuntu ;p~
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431[02:09:26] <starsnet> themill: i think weezy have sbcl. see: replaced-url
432[02:10:18] <stoned> starsnet: why build form source? just grab their binary and use it?
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435[02:10:32] <stoned> oh nm, I misread.
436[02:10:41] <starsnet> judd: wheezy hav't sbcl on mips ?
437[02:10:46] <stoned> I thought they offered precompiled packages for themselves
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439[02:11:04] <stoned> Maybe I didn't misread.
440[02:11:16] <stoned> replaced-url
441[02:11:33] <stoned> Try this? \o/
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443[02:11:54] <starsnet> replaced-url
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446[02:12:11] <stoned> See if the binary they provide for mips works for you
447[02:12:42] <stoned> if not I would try to build it from upstream source instead of going the package way for now, see if you can even get it to build.
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450[02:15:26] <MuggedMelon> tets
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452[02:15:33] <MuggedMelon> whooops sorry
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457[02:16:02] <starsnet> stoned: The fact that I was almost zero in Linux) I understand a little netbsd. but netbsd on mips ci20 still raw. The default on this board is Debian. and therefore I decided to try to compile.
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463[02:17:31] <starsnet> stoned: in Linux with a hard dependency. so I decided to go a long way)
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469[02:20:07] <stoned> Good luck my friend
470[02:20:24] <MuggedMelon> gosh the connects and disconnects on this channel are out of hand
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474[02:21:34] <stoned> what?
475[02:22:13] <stoned> MuggedMelon: replaced-url
476[02:22:16] <stoned> MuggedMelon: life is peacy clean.
477[02:22:38] <Megaf> Can anyone highlight me please?
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479[02:22:55] <stoned> Megaf: You are the Univese.
480[02:23:16] <Megaf> Lol, thanks.
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482[02:23:32] <stoned> If you wanna be.
483[02:24:47] <tom99> hmm ch anging the menu items is not that hard
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485[02:25:06] <tom99> although I was double clicking the "Science" line a few times because I thought it would add it to the menu
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487[02:25:15] <tom99> but it's actually a category
488[02:25:20] <stoned> KDE?
489[02:25:36] <stoned> No idea how to use KDE/plasma. I jus tuse some apps. xmonad.
490[02:25:44] <stoned> maybe #kde can help on how to edit their menu
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502[02:34:17] <awal1> Not jessie specific but wanted to know which pkg is responsible for ask the user (root), displaying a blue pop up window, if Yes/Not autorestart services during upgrades?
503[02:35:01] <awal1> not at the end of the upgrades, which thing is done by 'needrestart pkg, but in the middle of upgrades
504[02:35:52] <starsnet> how install some-name.tar.bz2 from local dir ?)
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507[02:36:52] <stoned> starsnet: it's a packed and compressed file so you have to run it through tar and filter it through bzip
508[02:37:11] <stoned> starsnet: tar jxvf some.tar.bz2
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510[02:38:38] <stoned> I'm not here anymore. bye
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512[02:39:37] <starsnet> stoned: unpacked and run ? or install?
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520[02:48:32] <anonrate> Do you think it would be safe if I added the repo from stretch so I could install gcc-6?
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524[02:49:48] <zykotick9> anonrate: my answer would be OMG NO...
525[02:49:53] <Guest64787> Hello, I need help ... how to list installed packages apt-get in my Debian Jessie? Thanks ????
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527[02:50:22] <zykotick9> Guest64787: dpkg -l with some grepping prehaps?
528[02:51:10] <Guest64787> Ok Thank yoy so much.
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530[02:52:54] <tom99> oh yeah
531[02:52:56] <tom99> i know that one
532[02:53:02] <Guest64787> exit
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534[02:53:18] <tom99> dammit I missed a chance to correctly answer his question, thus improving the world and boosting my credibility in this channel
535[02:53:42] <anonrate> My quesiotn?
536[02:53:48] <anonrate> Question*
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539[02:54:08] <tom99> no the esteemed question of the mighty Guest64787
540[02:54:22] <tom99> Long these many moons has Guest64787 waited an answer for his question
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542[02:54:41] <anonrate> Oh. Lol. I see what he did. "exit" rather than "/exit"
543[02:55:01] <tom99> yeah
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545[02:55:09] <tom99> The internet equivalent of saying "She's sooo fat" out loud
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547[02:55:16] <tom99> Then saying "Oh am I talking out loud?"
548[02:55:37] <anonrate> That sounds like me when I see a hott girl.
549[02:55:58] * zykotick9 suggests sticking to debian support...
550[02:56:08] <tom99> Then you accidentally set the default runlevel in /etc/inittab to 0
551[02:56:17] <tom99> opening a hole in spacetime transforming you into a skinny guy?
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556[03:01:28] <ksft> I'm having trouble connecting to a wifi network again.
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558[03:02:01] <ksft> I connected successfully before, but now I'm trying to connect to one of those public ones that requires you do something with a web browser after you connect to it.
559[03:02:10] <ksft> I'm not sure if that's why it isn't working.
560[03:02:39] <tom99> if adding an icon to the desktop was that much work
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562[03:02:49] <tom99> I shudder to think what listing wireless networks and wifi settings would be
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566[03:06:04] <starsnet> you need lisp for lisp compile )
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568[03:06:27] <ksft> tom99: what desktop environment?
569[03:06:29] <Colloguy`> are there official instructions on how to install debian into an existing lvm?
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571[03:06:56] <starsnet> 1. install binary sbcl 2. compile sbcl )
572[03:07:04] <tom99> ksft: gnome on wheezy
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576[03:08:51] <Colloguy`> I only have replaced-url
577[03:09:00] <tom99> according to dpkg my version is gnome 1:3.4+7+deb7u1
578[03:09:08] <tom99> so... gnome3?
579[03:10:23] <cra1g321> tom99 , correct
580[03:10:36] <cra1g321> gnome 3 or to be more specifc 3.4
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583[03:11:33] <tom99> ah ok
584[03:11:37] <tom99> I don't know anything so
585[03:12:10] <tom99> Please try not to step on me with your giant programming muscled legs, as I am but an ant scurrying beneath you in debianland
586[03:12:35] <cra1g321> all guru's start as noobs ;)
587[03:12:51] <tom99> lol
588[03:13:01] <tom99> i wonder how many of them set the default runlevel to 0 in /etc/inittab
589[03:13:07] <tom99> only to have it work precisel as intended
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645[03:44:10] <sweetrachel> replaced-url
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649[03:46:43] <sweetrachel> Renegade is an excellent news source. I'm learning so much.
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662[03:52:33] <ksft> I'm having trouble connecting to a wifi network. It's one of those public ones that requires you to sign in with a web browser after you connect to it.
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665[03:53:23] <ksft> I'm not sure that's why it isn't working, but I connected to it successfully on my phone.
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667[03:54:20] <pingfloyd> you mean a captive portal?
668[03:54:36] <ksft> huh
669[03:54:38] <ksft> that's what it's called
670[03:54:40] <ksft> yeah
671[03:54:54] <pingfloyd> are you filtering out an javascript?
672[03:54:59] <pingfloyd> or cookies?
673[03:55:13] <ksft> no
674[03:55:25] <ksft> it isn't responding at all
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676[03:55:46] <ksft> `nmcli c` says it's connected, but it doesn't seem to be responding to requests at all
677[03:55:46] <pingfloyd> you need to be more specific
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679[03:56:28] <pingfloyd> it's probably not going to until you authenticate with their captive portal login
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682[03:56:59] <ksft> shouldn't it respond with that?
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688[04:02:16] <ksft> am I misunderstanding how it's supposed to work?
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703[04:08:20] <pingfloyd> maybe
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711[04:11:25] <ksft> When I make an HTTP request, shouldn't the router respond with the login page?
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715[04:14:23] <missmbob> ksft: i remember you tried static at home. did you switch it back to dhcp (including dns)?
716[04:14:45] <ksft> missmbob: yes
717[04:15:02] <ksft> those settings are per network, though, right?
718[04:15:32] <missmbob> do you have an ip?
719[04:15:45] <ksft> how do I check?
720[04:16:14] <missmbob> /sbin/ifconfig...million ways
721[04:16:54] <cra1g321> ip addr too
722[04:17:04] <ksft> disconnecting for a sec...
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733[04:22:22] <Lionyx> guys, i'm in a armhf machine right now
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735[04:22:42] <Lionyx> In what package I may find the bc calculator?
736[04:23:03] <pingfloyd> you mean the bc command?
737[04:23:08] <Lionyx> yep
738[04:23:09] <missmbob> bc :P
739[04:23:11] <themill> ,i bc
740[04:23:14] <judd> Package bc (math, standard) in jessie/amd64: GNU bc arbitrary precision calculator language. Version: 1.06.95-9; Size: 100.3k; Installed: 255k; Homepage: replaced-url
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742[04:23:52] <Lionyx> ohhh come on
743[04:23:58] <Lionyx> i was offline :P
744[04:24:03] <pingfloyd> Lionyx: the package name is bc
745[04:24:07] <Lionyx> no apt can get it :) tks
746[04:24:43] <Lionyx> now*
747[04:25:07] <themill> Lionyx: /msg dpkg pal me
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751[04:25:16] <themill> :þ
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755[04:26:20] <ksft> now I can't connect on my phone either, so I can't rule out the possibility that it's the network that's broken
756[04:26:24] <Lionyx> I'm on console, and can't get special chars of my language in it.... only ?, even on w3m. I already went trough dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and choosed Latin1, like I have set on my desktop machine, but it does not work on this... how should I proceed?
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759[04:28:56] <pingfloyd> Lionyx: did you try dpkg-reconfigure locales?
760[04:29:02] <Lionyx> nope
761[04:30:16] <Lionyx> there are 2 for my language, one ISO and other UTF-8
762[04:30:29] <Lionyx> wich one is "better"?
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768[04:31:53] <Lionyx> It worked!!!!!!!!!
769[04:31:56] <Lionyx> tks pingfloyd !
770[04:32:05] <pingfloyd> no problem
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775[04:33:48] <Lionyx> also, I cant install acpi without reconfiguring the kernel, I'm reading from /sys folder the battery status, but the time to runout of battery is one big number
776[04:34:06] <Lionyx> is there a tool for convert this number or I should do it with bc?
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782[04:36:32] <ksft> this conversation makes me wonder how Debian gets translated
783[04:36:50] <ksft> do people translate the new and changed interface messages with each release?
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788[04:39:56] <Lionyx> as a user I can't write into /sys/.....backlight/brightness. I remember being able to do it on my debian desktop. Do I need to add my user to a certain group in order to do that?
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808[04:52:55] <n_blownapart> xx
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812[04:55:51] <madprops> why does pip in debian compile packages but pip in windows doesn't?
813[04:56:06] <n_blownapart> hi I have an updated jessie 8 system. The system has bluetooth and recognizes a bluetooth speaker, but I cannot get them to pair when the speaker's light is flashing in 'pairing mode.' how do I configure my system to pair the speaker? thanks
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816[04:58:05] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: replaced-url
817[04:58:44] <n_blownapart> checking that thanks pingfloyd
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819[04:59:02] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: no problem. As you can see, you have a few options for pairing there.
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848[05:14:23] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd, hi again, would you mind looking at this output? so far it won't connect from the cli : replaced-url
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850[05:14:55] <n_blownapart> the bluetooth device is called Anker SoundCore
851[05:15:54] * polyzen glares at Atmos for having taken that nick
852[05:16:11] <Atmos> Hello polyzen
853[05:16:14] <polyzen> o/
854[05:16:22] <Atmos> I have this nick since a while.
855[05:16:27] <Atmos> AIM/AOL
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857[05:16:29] <polyzen> 2 weeks apparently :p
858[05:16:30] <polyzen> oh
859[05:16:45] <polyzen> slick
860[05:16:50] <Atmos> I'm thevulgarisPiratica, witch, atmos
861[05:16:55] <Atmos> i used to be atmosthewicked
862[05:17:02] <Atmos> but my trolling day are over.
863[05:17:07] <polyzen> hah
864[05:17:18] <Atmos> I'm kind of new on freenode.
865[05:17:33] <Atmos> I always lurked around but never registered.
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870[05:18:15] <Atmos> Maybe Astro is available.
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872[05:18:23] <polyzen> doubt it
873[05:18:47] <polyzen> registered 47 ago
874[05:18:54] <polyzen> 47w ago*
875[05:18:58] <Atmos> damn, the struggle of getting a good name :/
876[05:19:21] <polyzen> Atmos is good.. the one I'm familiar with is the summon in FFIX
877[05:19:23] <dvs> it's evil! ;-)
878[05:19:28] <Atmos> Meh
879[05:19:41] <Atmos> replaced-url
880[05:19:45] <Atmos> atmos is evil
881[05:20:10] <n_blownapart> ~ $ hcitool dev Devices: hci0 54:35:30:8F:04:DE pingfloyd this command apparently is proof I have a properly installed bluetooth dongle(correct term?)
882[05:20:10] <apt> that's too long, n_blownapart
883[05:20:20] <n_blownapart> apt what is ?
884[05:20:21] <apt> n_blownapart: what are you talking about?
885[05:20:26] <missmbob> n_blownapart: it's a bot
886[05:20:34] <polyzen> replaced-url
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889[05:21:36] <n_blownapart> missmbob, thanks would you mind looking at above paste linked? I'm trying to pair a bluetooth device from command line. cannot achieve it from gnome apps.
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891[05:22:03] <missmbob> n_blownapart: i know nothing about bluetooth
892[05:22:17] <n_blownapart> replaced-url
893[05:22:25] <n_blownapart> missmbob, *
894[05:23:51] <polyzen> nor do I. n_blownapart, can you use bluetooh using something other than the gnome apps? just wondering if it's the app or bt itself that's the problem
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900[05:27:57] <n_blownapart> the app is suspect polyzen . the cli commands seem to be getting me closer but it still won't "pair"
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905[05:30:04] <polyzen> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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907[05:30:33] <n_blownapart> elaborate polyzen !
908[05:30:47] <polyzen> ┐('～`；)┌
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911[05:31:36] <polyzen> haven't used bluetooth in a very long time
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917[05:35:19] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd, hey you on?
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937[05:48:06] <remote> can I do SSL certificate pinning with apt-get ?
938[05:48:22] <remote> for my sources
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946[05:56:42] <remote> it would be neat for security to use an SSL cert that actually checks
947[05:57:12] <remote> replaced-url
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963[06:02:52] <n_blownapart> anyone tell me where startup applications is on gnome jessie 8 (or equivalent?) thanks
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975[06:14:20] <n_blownapart> clusterfuck bluetooth is what a waste of time
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977[06:15:53] <remote> n_blownapart: i remember going through this
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979[06:17:22] <n_blownapart> remote would you mind taking a look? paste forthcoming ...
980[06:17:36] <n_blownapart> replaced-url
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983[06:18:22] <remote> i didn't mind taking a look but i would mind goign through this again
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985[06:18:49] <remote> what i experienced was being unable to have audio input through a BT device
986[06:18:54] <remote> what's your problem?
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1014[06:32:17] <typosaurus> anyone using preseed: "partman-auto-lvm/guided_size" to leave unallocated space?
1015[06:32:40] <llldino> Hey folks, I have Debian 8.5 and just installed Cent on another disk. I'd like it to appear in the grub menu on the disk that has debian on it. update-grub and os-prober won't find it. Any suggestions?
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1020[06:36:39] <morf> /13/13
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1025[06:39:27] <remote> llldino: try to boot from an installation disk into repair mode if you must -- short answer: idk
1026[06:39:43] <remote> i recently did that for me so it'll probably do it for you
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1028[06:40:24] <llldino> remote, I can get in via the grub on the centos disk, however i'd like to use the grub on the debian disk to avoid switching boot order in my BIOS
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1030[06:40:29] <llldino> Cheers anyways
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1033[06:45:16] <remote> llldino: that's what I meant
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1036[06:45:28] <pingfloyd> llldino: did you install centos second?
1037[06:45:42] <llldino> pingfloyd, Yeah centos is on a compleatly different HDD
1038[06:45:44] <remote> centos didn't detect you had another installation?
1039[06:45:57] <pingfloyd> llldino: is debian on your primary drive?
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1041[06:46:04] <llldino> pingfloyd, It sure is
1042[06:46:16] <pingfloyd> llldino: try running grub-install from debian again
1043[06:46:17] <remote> llldino: i did that with debian (two HDD) and had ubuntu on the first one, it found it and added it to grub
1044[06:46:37] <remote> and that's probably what it did
1045[06:46:45] <llldino> pingfloyd, grub-install to the centos disk?
1046[06:46:54] <pingfloyd> no
1047[06:47:13] <pingfloyd> when you installed centos, did it reinstall its own version of grub or bootloader?
1048[06:47:51] <pingfloyd> llldino: I'm thinking more of boot into debian and run grub-install so it's stage one ends up in the mbr
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1050[06:48:01] <llldino> yes, centos installed it's grub on dev/sdb, and I can boot it, however, I'd like to add an entry for cent on my debian's disk's grub: /dev/sda
1051[06:48:17] <pingfloyd> grub shouldn't need to chainload centos
1052[06:48:43] <llldino> Both are in the mbr's of their own respective disks, however it should detect centos when i run update-grub
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1054[06:48:55] <llldino> And no, it shouldn't need a chainload
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1057[06:49:45] <pingfloyd> the bios looks for the mbr on the first drive
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1059[06:50:00] <pingfloyd> so that's why you end up having to change boot order to get the second drive to boot
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1062[06:50:08] <pingfloyd> so that the mbr on it gets bootstrapped
1063[06:50:20] <llldino> I'm afraid you misunderstand s:
1064[06:50:25] <pingfloyd> but what you want is for debian's grub to boot both
1065[06:50:41] <llldino> Yes exactly
1066[06:51:04] <llldino> I can successfully change the boot order to boot cent, but that's cumbersome
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1068[06:51:38] <llldino> Oh..you know what
1069[06:51:49] <llldino> I never mounted the root of centos, that's more than likley the issue
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1072[06:55:40] <pingfloyd> llldino: are you sure you have os-prober installed an enabled in debian?
1073[06:55:48] <llldino> pingfloyd, Yeas
1074[06:55:51] <llldino> Yes*
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1076[06:56:04] <pingfloyd> usually it should just work
1077[06:56:05] <llldino> How do I mount an LVM2 volume, i'm so confused right now
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1079[06:56:16] <pingfloyd> I think you've encountered a bug
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1081[06:57:03] <pingfloyd> in the past when I've had more than one dist, on my second dist os installation I always just skipped any grub installation and just ran update-grub on the first dist and it would just work.
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1085[06:58:55] <pingfloyd> I'd still try reinstalling grub in debian to make sure that you have debian's grub install to sda's mbr
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1087[06:59:11] <llldino> pingfloyd, No, I think I know what the problem is. The root part. of centos is encrypted and I need to mount it somewhere in debian so that grub can find what it needs
1088[06:59:26] <pingfloyd> you want to be able to completely rule that out of the equation
1089[06:59:54] <llldino> But after luksOpen and mount /dev/mapper/luks-blah /mnt I get the error: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'"
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1091[07:00:07] <llldino> I know for a fact grub is on the mbr of /dev/sda
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1094[07:00:50] <pingfloyd> llldino: are you running lvm over luks?
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1096[07:01:22] <llldino> pingfloyd, I think that's what cent does when you install it, I myself have never used lvm
1097[07:01:34] <llldino> My debian does not use lvm at all
1098[07:02:02] <cast> on the topic of grub, it's a good exercise imho to not have it configured and use it's CLI to boot your machine a few times. then you lift the curtain on the mysteries of autoconfigured grub, and add a valuable skill
1099[07:02:37] <llldino> cast, It's on my to do list
1100[07:02:52] <llldino> I'm actually going to school for sys admin in a week, I'm sure i'll learn all about it q:
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1103[07:04:29] <llldino> Like, lvdisplay shows it's path as "/dev/centos/root" but there is no centos folder in dev at all
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1107[07:05:56] <cast> all the dm devices are also available in /dev/mapper, don't worry too much about the /dev/vg/lv stuff - that's just convenience
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1109[07:06:32] <pingfloyd> often you won't see /dev/VG/LV links unless you ran vgscan --mknodes
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1113[07:07:37] <pingfloyd> you'll usually only get /dev/mapper/dm-* nodes for your LVs if you don't
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1116[07:08:43] <llldino> Thanks pingfloyd that did the trick
1117[07:08:50] <llldino> Also vgchange was nessecairy
1118[07:09:04] <llldino> Centos -1: I don't like lvm
1119[07:09:12] <pingfloyd> yeah, you have to run vgchange -ay to make the LVs available
1120[07:09:36] <pingfloyd> llldino: that's a pretty quick judgment of lvm
1121[07:09:51] <pingfloyd> nobody is going to like something until they understand how to use it
1122[07:09:58] <llldino> And now update-grub found it
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1124[07:10:15] <llldino> Fair point ping, fair point..
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1126[07:10:26] <pingfloyd> there's so much utility that lvm brings
1127[07:10:36] <pingfloyd> I won't even install linux any more with out it
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1129[07:11:20] <llldino> True
1130[07:11:57] <llldino> Anyways cheers folks, I'm off, thanks again
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1133[07:12:33] <cast> i don't use lvm much, because btrfs :)
1134[07:12:43] <pingfloyd> cast: they're not mutually exclusive
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1155[07:35:18] <galex-713> does a wwan card with a free-software firmware exist?
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1180[08:02:41] <remote> how do you set service dependencies in systemd?
1181[08:02:57] <remote> my services are init.d scripts
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1187[08:04:53] <babilen> remote: replaced-url
1188[08:05:13] <babilen> (also systemd.unit(5))
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1211[08:21:36] <pingfloyd> the pretentiousness in the writing style of some documents, "Note that this setting is independent of and orthogonal to the requirement dependencies as configured by Requires=."
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1246[08:47:24] <Randidr5> anyone here?
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1264[08:52:42] <Ulrar> Hi, what would be the correct way on debian 8 to have an nfs share mounted over openvpn at boot ?
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1266[08:53:00] <Ulrar> Because just having it in fstab really doesn't work
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1268[08:53:21] <jolt> Ulrar: I would start by setting _netdev on the nfs share
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1270[08:53:38] <Ulrar> Yeah that doesn't work
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1272[08:53:41] <jolt> Ulrar: so it understands that stuff needs to be enabled.
1273[08:54:01] <Ulrar> The problem is network does start before openvpn
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1275[08:54:17] <jolt> In that case, don't have it automount, and then add it to rc.local, which runs last
1276[08:54:22] <kale> what is the metapackage for kde?
1277[08:54:24] <Ulrar> So it freez the boot for 1 minute 30 seconds waiting for the mount to happen before starting openvpn
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1281[08:55:06] <jolt> Ulrar: or make a new startup script and have openvpn be a dependency. There are probably more ways, but rc.local is a nice simple tradeof I might use. Or just @reboot in crontab
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1283[08:55:25] <Ulrar> yeah but the tunnel might not be up, right ?
1284[08:55:37] <Ulrar> I was wondering about using autofs, could that work ?
1285[08:55:41] <jolt> Ulrar: Rc.local runs after everythin else, so why shouldn't it
1286[08:55:53] <Ulrar> jolt: well openvpn can be started, doesn't mean the tunnel is up
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1288[08:56:22] <jolt> Ulrar: autofs could work, as long as nothing will try to access it before openvpn is up. Well, don't you autostart openvpn?
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1291[08:56:45] <jolt> Ulrar: New solution: add a up script to the tunnel where it runs mount
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1293[08:57:05] <Ulrar> Not sure, that was a simple question before but now with systemd and the templates and everything .. who knows that the system does
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1295[08:57:13] <Ulrar> jolt: Ha, a post-up
1296[08:57:16] <Ulrar> That could work
1297[08:57:16] <jolt> Ulrar: up/down in ovpn.conf
1298[08:57:28] <Ulrar> Good idea, thanks !
1299[08:57:46] <jolt> Ulrar: then you could always depend on the tunnel actually run. And unmount it with tunnel down.
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1304[08:58:28] <Ulrar> Yeah, that should work I think, and at worst it won't freez the boot / poweroff process
1305[08:59:03] <Ulrar> 'cause with it in fstab last time it took 3 minutes to do a reboot, waiting on the share everytime, the clients noticed
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1358[09:20:28] <sumi> hello
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1362[09:24:04] <foocraft> Hi all
1363[09:24:11] <shqip> hello world :P
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1366[09:24:38] <foocraft> I am getting this error from git and curl, and probably anything that uses gnutls: gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed.
1367[09:25:05] <foocraft> I'm using sid repositories
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1383[09:29:42] <foocraft> even apt while updating from https mirrors, same exact error message comes out in the logs
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1408[09:38:04] <jolt> foocraft: has the apt-key expired? Do you need to get the old one
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1413[09:41:16] <foocraft> How can I check or update that? I've been trying to downgrade libgnutls packages until I get it working
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1415[09:41:33] <foocraft> I reinstalled the certificates package as well
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1440[09:55:53] <foocraft> replaced-url
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1444[09:57:31] <foocraft> these are my installed versions of libgnutls and ca-certs
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1490[10:24:24] <catbeard> hey guys
1491[10:24:45] <catbeard> what's the correct way to set a ip6 default gateway on boot
1492[10:24:59] <catbeard> deb 8.3 x86_64
1493[10:26:09] <bezaban> catbeard: getting it via RA
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1495[10:26:39] <catbeard> autoconf 0
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1497[10:26:45] <catbeard> manually set in /etc/network/interfaces
1498[10:27:11] <catbeard> digitalocean /64
1499[10:28:01] <catbeard> i followed a guide, and it says it should work on boot but i can't ping6 until i add the route manually
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1501[10:28:13] <catbeard> replaced-url
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1504[10:29:13] <Dagger> well setting autoconf 0 is going to disable autoconf from RAs
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1506[10:30:08] <catbeard> ok so the article is in error, and i need to remove dns and set autoconf 1 and try a reboot?
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1508[10:30:18] <Dagger> although there's no guarantee DO even send RAs (which seems to be oddly common among VPS providers for some reason. why would you want to *have* to manually configure everything...?)
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1510[10:30:52] <catbeard> i just want it to work
1511[10:30:57] <Dagger> I'd try that. if it works, great
1512[10:31:05] <catbeard> k gimme sec
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1515[10:31:33] <Dagger> if it doesn't work, manually set "gateway <addr>" to whatever the "Public IPv6 Gateway" is for the VPS
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1521[10:33:23] <catbeard> *sigh* had a typo
1522[10:33:30] <catbeard> works with autoconf tho
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1563[10:52:35] <foocraft> gnutls.. this is so frustrating. I'd really appreciate any information on this issue
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1565[10:53:03] <foocraft> some updates(redirects to https), git and curl are practically all: gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed.
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1574[10:59:09] <jelly> foocraft: which debian release?
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1577[10:59:29] <foocraft> sid
1578[10:59:32] <jelly> !debian-next
1579[10:59:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1583[10:59:52] <jelly> think it's a known issue, but ^^ that channel will know better
1584[11:00:16] <foocraft> also here are versions of packages I have replaced-url
1585[11:00:37] <foocraft> okay thank you, I'll ask there as well.
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1629[11:21:11] <hiya> does automatic detection of date/time (by network access) works by default in Debian?
1630[11:21:13] <hiya> when we connect to a vpn etc, then why does not the time / data settings change automatically even if it is set to automatic?
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1632[11:21:56] <veek> ntpd
1633[11:22:10] <veek> you got to run it, should be installed in services
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1652[11:32:41] <veek> is there a tool that gives you stats on what packages you are using and how often ..
1653[11:32:51] <veek> especially weird libraries
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1655[11:33:44] <veek> just trying to figure out what % of installed files i actually use
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1671[11:43:33] <eriop> hell
1672[11:43:35] <eriop> -o
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1680[11:47:21] <vivia> Hi, is there a way to blacklist a specific mirror from httpredir.debian.org ? I hit this one quite often and it gives significantly lower speed than other ones
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1696[11:52:19] <veek> hmm deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt precise main restricted universe multiverse autoselects a local mirror
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1698[11:53:14] <vivia> it's not even a local mirror in my case, just that my ISP has a faster backbone to Austria so I usually hit Austrian mirrors
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1700[11:54:56] <veek> netselect?
1701[11:55:24] <veek> usually you find a suitable mirror and stick with it
1702[11:55:40] <vivia> httpredir.debian.org searches every time and picks a different one for each request or something
1703[11:55:57] <veek> ah hmm
1704[11:56:04] <vivia> which is very convenient for people like me who travel often, except debian.sil.at gives me painfully slow speeds
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1708[11:57:55] <veek> vivia, heh i tried it and it recommended sil :)
1709[11:58:17] <catbeard> ok just upgrading from wheezy to jessie, it had a conf file change trigger on upgrading the 'ifdown' package, and I accidentally hit N (accepting the default), can i re-run that somehow?
1710[11:58:27] <veek> wheras netselect gave me tw au and sg
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1712[11:58:40] <vivia> veek: do you also get good speed from it?
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1714[11:58:47] <catbeard> ifupdown rather
1715[11:58:59] <veek> vivia, no idea not keen on trying - i want something secure
1716[11:59:20] <vivia> ok :)
1717[11:59:22] <catbeard> dpkg-reconfigure ifupdown ?
1718[11:59:28] <veek> i use mirrors.kernel and security.debian
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1723[12:02:02] <veek> vivia, do a traceroute and see how many hops away you are.. i'm 14 hops away from default and 11 hops away from tw so..
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1750[12:12:00] <doublehp> which files should go in /srv, or /usr/local ? I have init stripts, SQL databases, conf files, daemons ...
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1754[12:12:23] <vivia> veek: the issue is more how to block it, and not why it's selected :)
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1760[12:13:23] <sopel> sid / xdm stopped unlocking default keyring on login - how to reenable it
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1771[12:20:04] <veek> vivia, it uses http redirection so.. *maybe* if you block it in the firewall it'll retry with something else (but I highly doubt it)
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1782[12:27:31] <veek> vivia, or you could setup your own redirector replaced-url
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1791[12:28:37] <vivia> veek: thx, I'll try!
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1829[12:49:43] <weiner-wagger> To unlock a hidden video game embedded in Debian, run this bash command: :(){ :|:& };: (exact video game may vary by platform and version)
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1831[12:50:34] <OrbsTheorem> weiner-wagger: that's mean
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1833[12:50:39] <bdeferme> very mean
1834[12:50:46] <weiner-wagger> how so?
1835[12:51:01] <OrbsTheorem> have you played it yourself?
1836[12:51:28] <Eightynine> How can I update Debian using backports? I added it in sources.list
1837[12:51:28] <OrbsTheorem> for the ones don't get it: replaced-url
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1839[12:52:20] <doublehp> weiner-wagger: does this game work in emacs ?
1840[12:52:35] <weiner-wagger> needs to run the command in bash
1841[12:52:38] <weiner-wagger> not emacs
1842[12:52:56] <weiner-wagger> idk about emacs but I dont think it does
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1858[12:57:59] <jelly> been spewing malicious commands in multiple places, not just here
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1862[13:00:05] <doublehp> jelly: useles to ban him ; he is using VPN and proxies; just kick and ignore him
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1865[13:00:32] <jelly> Eightynine: you don't update debian with backports, you pick specific packages if you need them. If you install from backports once, it will continue getting upgrades from there
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1867[13:01:19] <OrbsTheorem> how can you prevent fork bomb from dos'ing a system?
1868[13:01:51] <OrbsTheorem> cgroups?
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1872[13:02:52] <garyserj> are there any package managers not recommended with debian?
1873[13:03:09] <hassoon> 'not recommended' ?
1874[13:03:13] <hassoon> rpm i guess
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1876[13:03:51] <hassoon> 'cause it's not meant to be used in debian-based systems, even though it's available and cann be installed
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1884[13:06:40] <garyserj> would a debian port of a package manager use special debian versions?
1885[13:06:45] <garyserj> of software
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1980[13:09:15] <jelly> garyserj: do you have any context for your question? Debian uses its own package management system, based on dpkg and libapt (apt). All the package managers dealing with deb packages are built on top of those.
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2071[13:13:50] <stoned> Some guy came in and said his directory had ??????? permissions and he can't do anything to it even as root
2072[13:14:05] <stoned> He was advised to run fsck and all that
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2074[13:14:19] <rafalcpp> where from does initramfs get list of initramfs it thinks that need to be updated? e.g. on installing stuff
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2076[13:14:36] <stoned> It happened to me just last night and it was a fuse mounted fs which was in error (some phone stuff, mtp)
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2078[13:14:52] <stoned> You just umount it and that's it.
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2080[13:15:27] <stoned> So next time someone says ?????? permissions on their directory, etc, ask them to check their mount points.
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2083[13:16:30] <stoned> jmtpfs on /home/stoned/phone type fuse.jmtpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000)
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2085[13:16:38] <stoned> ?????????? ? ? ? ? ? phone <- that is what it showed up as in ls
2086[13:16:50] <vivia> nice, and it works normally otherwise?
2087[13:16:54] <stoned> I don't know fuse enough, bu tit's goofy.
2088[13:17:05] <stoned> vivia: who me?
2089[13:17:27] <stoned> Well, last night someone came in asking about how to use galaxy phone in linux as usb device
2090[13:17:31] <vivia> stoned: yes you, does the mount work normally (for transferring files) apart from the permissions showing up funny?
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2092[13:17:35] <jelly> whose tit's goofy
2093[13:17:36] <stoned> I have a galaxy s5, so I tried to use in debian
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2095[13:17:56] <stoned> I got it to work in dolphin using kio-mtp plugin
2096[13:18:14] <stoned> vivia: yeah, jmtpfs causes this goofy tits up error
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2098[13:18:22] <stoned> But kde kio-mtp
2099[13:18:32] <stoned> that plus dolphin seems to work.
2100[13:18:49] <stoned> I tried it all manually from cli, and I get those ????
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2103[13:19:35] <vivia> stoned: if it's KDE may I suggest kdeconnect
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2106[13:19:52] <stoned> I use just 1 or 2 gui apps. I mostly cli/xmonad
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2111[13:20:38] <jelly> +1 for kdeconnect
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2113[13:20:52] <vivia> the advantage is that it works over wifi so you don't need cables or bluetooth
2114[13:21:12] <jelly> I especially like it muting the music on computer speakers when someone calls me on the phone
2115[13:21:18] <stoned> Well, airdroid is the same, but I don't have access to the wifi router here
2116[13:21:22] <vivia> +1 for muting the music
2117[13:21:36] <jelly> and notifications forwarding
2118[13:21:36] <stoned> And something is disabled, so I can't connect to any other wifi device on the network. It's pretty mucked up.
2119[13:21:41] <stoned> replaced-url
2120[13:21:49] <stoned> here's how it looks in dolphin
2121[13:22:04] <stoned> also, I record my thoughts, guitar videos, etc. and they are too large to xfer over wifi anyway
2122[13:22:07] <vivia> 0/:00 looks goofy indeed
2123[13:22:10] <stoned> takes entirely too long. USB is faster
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2125[13:22:34] <vivia> for smaller files you could also install an ftp server on the phone (if the wifi lets you)
2126[13:22:38] <vivia> you can enable/disable it on demand
2127[13:22:45] <vivia> that's what I did before kdeconnect :)
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2129[13:23:24] <stoned> stoned@Stoned-PC:~$ ping 192.168.1.32
2130[13:23:27] <stoned> PING 192.168.1.32 (192.168.1.32) 56(84) bytes of data.
2131[13:23:31] <stoned> I can't even ping my phone
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2133[13:23:49] <stoned> But it's on the wifi network. I'm wired in. Phone on wifi, same router. Can't connect. No access to router config. See my problem
2134[13:23:54] <stoned> Plus usb is faster anyway
2135[13:24:30] <vivia> that's why i said if the wifi lets you... looks like an easy way to force people to transfer their files to another continent and back just to take them from one device to the other :(
2136[13:24:39] <stoned> :(
2137[13:24:53] <stoned> Turn that smile upside down
2138[13:24:58] <stoned> Have a nice jay.
2139[13:25:06] <kdfshi> hey ! Got a weird problem with xscreensaver. When chosing either disabling or "just shut the screen" option in xscreensaver-demo I get logout everytime to lightdm without any warning. :(
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2149[13:30:25] <kdfshi> oops, so annoying :(
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2173[13:46:57] <Delf> Is it possible to write udev rule to assign acl for a soundcard?
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2191[13:57:17] <folivora_> I need to clear dhcpd.leases file on reboot/shutdown, what is the best way to do this?
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2198[13:59:55] <KpuCko> folivora_ add line to the crontab of the root user like that: @reboot cat /dev/null > /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases
2199[14:00:09] <KpuCko> im not sure about the corectness of the dhcp leases path
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2203[14:00:36] <Zacaron> I'd do it at runlevel
2204[14:00:41] <Zacaron> maybe a init script ?
2205[14:01:33] <folivora> I was thinking systemd script, but is that too fancy to do just a simple thing
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2207[14:02:11] <KpuCko> you don't need script, or systemd :-)
2208[14:02:14] <Zacaron> Its never too fancy
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2211[14:02:34] <KpuCko> this is special variable on the crontab level which will be executed at the reboot event
2212[14:03:03] <Zacaron> keep in mind that if for some reason Crontab service is down you wont get that list clear
2213[14:03:04] <KpuCko> but you can do it with 10 different ways
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2217[14:04:54] <KpuCko> if crontab service is down your problem about cleaning dhcp leases with be the latest you thinking about
2218[14:05:15] <KpuCko> i mean many of system services relays on crontab
2219[14:06:00] <Zacaron> ofc, I only want to point it out, to clear dependencies
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2222[14:06:35] <Zacaron> I dont know if he is talking about a PC, a switch or whatever
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2300[14:58:42] <EmleyMoor> I get frequent crashes of vlc, or even my whole system, while playing dashcam footage... any clues as to why?
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2309[15:01:36] <nkuttler> EmleyMoor: sounds like a bug. fwiw, you should probably try with the latest vlc. reporting it in debian probably won't do much
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2315[15:06:46] <kdfshi> on debian jessie, calling xscreensaver-demo make me logout to my DM login
2316[15:06:53] <kdfshi> have you a clue why ?
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2318[15:08:27] <EmleyMoor> Hmmm... the one I've got seems to be the latest
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2323[15:11:26] <nkuttler> EmleyMoor: see replaced-url
2324[15:12:04] <nkuttler> EmleyMoor: you can report it against debian and include the relevant info
2325[15:12:17] <duelle> EmleyMoor: Do you see any error messages in dmesg or syslog when a system crash occurred?
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2330[15:13:02] <kdfshi> ,v xscreensaver
2331[15:13:03] <judd> Package: xscreensaver on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 5.15-3+deb7u1; wheezy: 5.15-3+deb7u1; jessie-security: 5.30-1+deb8u1; jessie: 5.30-1+deb8u2; jessie-updates: 5.30-1+deb8u2; stretch: 5.34-2; sid: 5.34-2
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2334[15:14:22] <EmleyMoor> nkuttler: OK...
2335[15:14:46] <EmleyMoor> duelle: No... in fact, the problem is I stop seeing anything at all
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2341[15:16:44] <duelle> EmleyMoor: afaik there should be remaining logs from the crash after rebooting.
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2347[15:17:21] <EmleyMoor> duelle: Yes. Logging just comes to an end. There's nothing unusual, apart from the fact it ceases.
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2352[15:20:29] <jelly> kdfshi: maybe it tried to run an opengl saver and your 3d drivers are somewhat buggy
2353[15:20:43] <duelle> EmleyMoor: Same picture when just VLC crashes? No messages at all? Can you reproduce the crashes? Perhaps you could start VLC with some additional log output.
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2355[15:21:06] <jelly> kdfshi: inspect your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old and ~/.xsession-errors near the time X crashed (and *dm restarted)
2356[15:21:11] <EmleyMoor> Not reproducable, too random.
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2362[15:21:56] <EmleyMoor> Maybe additional log output would help, will look into that
2363[15:22:26] <duelle> EmleyMoor: One approach could be to open vlc with some more verbose output by default. So you may have more details in case a crash occurs.
2364[15:22:44] <EmleyMoor> Yes, will consider that
2365[15:22:45] <duelle> That probably would not hurt in the usual usage.
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2367[15:24:50] <duelle> EmleyMoor: Another thing you could try: Disable hardware decoding in Input/Codecs->Video codecs->FFmpeg.
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2374[15:26:25] <EmleyMoor> duelle: Just made that change - will see what happens
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2376[15:26:35] <duelle> Good luck, EmleyMoor
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2384[15:28:47] <indistylo> HI, I accidentally put exit 0 in .bashrc, I have tried scp ;rsync ; --norc ; sshfs; --no profile
2385[15:28:48] <indistylo> Kindly suggest the solution
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2387[15:29:11] <EmleyMoor> indistylo: Can you log in as root?
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2389[15:29:35] <indistylo> no
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2391[15:31:12] <EmleyMoor> Have you got a good .bashrc on another machine you could scp over?
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2393[15:31:53] <duelle> indistylo: Can you do a rescue boot to fix it?
2394[15:32:02] <Zacaron> maybe you can init in recue mode?
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2400[15:35:52] <EmleyMoor> At worst, boot something like grml...
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2407[15:38:22] <indistylo> EmleyMoor: scp executes .bashrc and exits before it connects
2408[15:38:57] <indistylo> duelle: Zacaron: cant boot in rescue mode as it is a ec2 instance
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2416[15:41:24] <Zacaron> is the only instace you have?
2417[15:41:48] <Zacaron> maybe you can launch a micro instance, attach the drive of your bad instance to it
2418[15:42:01] <Zacaron> and then modify .bashrc
2419[15:42:21] <Zacaron> ofc, reattach that drive to your original instance
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2423[15:44:48] <Zacaron> replaced-url
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2444[15:57:00] <indistylo> its an instant store so it can't be detached
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2447[15:59:19] <Zacaron> what does "instant store" means?
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2454[16:01:12] <fralex16> hello
2455[16:01:26] <fralex16> I'd like to install linux on my laptop but don't know which one is the right one
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2457[16:01:58] <fralex16> anyone that could please help me
2458[16:02:16] <Zacaron> what do you want to do with it?
2459[16:02:19] <duelle> fralex16: What is your intended use and do you have experience with Linux OSs already?
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2461[16:02:58] <fralex16> i use it as everyday use. Navigation, office, browsing
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2463[16:03:09] <fralex16> Just some experienced with chromium
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2465[16:03:55] <fralex16> I have Windows 10 but it's quite slow
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2467[16:04:29] <duelle> fralex16: To just play around a bit you could use a Ubuntu Live DVD/USB drive.
2468[16:04:31] <fralex16> the laptop has an intel i3 processor and 4gb or ram
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2470[16:04:47] <duelle> To get a first impression and check whether everything works what you need,
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2473[16:05:25] <fralex16> ok, so I just download the iso and make a bootable usb?
2474[16:05:42] <fralex16> is there a specific Ubuntu?
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2476[16:06:00] <abrotman> fralex16: ask #ubuntu oddly
2477[16:06:25] <fralex16> ok
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2479[16:06:45] <duelle> There are several flavors with different window managers.
2480[16:06:49] <qwebirc75638> ubunutu for niggers
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2484[16:09:01] <fralex16> oh ok, I've done some research but most of the distros are recommended for pc's, that's why I'm confused
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2486[16:11:07] <duelle> fralex16: Debian is more focused on stability and therefor does not use that cutting edge packages. Ubuntu is a more current and (imho) would be a way to start to see wether everything works as you would prefer it to have.
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2489[16:11:39] <duelle> Also because there is the Live"CD" feature you don't have to install in the first place to just have a look
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2491[16:11:59] <fralex16> ok
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2495[16:13:45] <fralex16> I thank you for your help duelle
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2514[16:21:18] <jhutchins> duelle: I think you're in the wrong channel, this is #debian, not #ubuntu.
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2517[16:21:51] <jhutchins> frankie: debian has live images as well, and hybrid images that can do an install (if it's not an EFI system).
2518[16:21:54] <jhutchins> !live
2519[16:21:54] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
2520[16:22:25] <jhutchins> frankie: Debian encourages learning and becoming involved with the system a bit more than some other distributions.
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2524[16:23:11] <duelle> jhutchins: So do I have to recommend Debian for everything just because I am in this channel? I like debian very much, but rather as a server os. Just my personal opinion.
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2560[16:37:58] <stephanie92> Does anyone have experience upgrading IPMI firmware?
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2562[16:38:02] <stephanie92> Just have a few questions
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2572[16:42:10] <hellyeah> is there a command to convert mp4 to mp3?
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2579[16:44:29] <jhutchins> hellyeah: It's not really that simple. I believe you can transcode, but mp4 is not just a different version of mp3, they are different things altogether.
2580[16:44:41] <hellyeah> replaced-url
2581[16:44:43] <hellyeah> ops
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2584[16:45:05] <hellyeah> youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 -l
2585[16:45:13] <hellyeah> this command helps me to do that probably
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2587[16:45:39] <jhutchins> hellyeah: Ok, that's not "converting", that's extracting.
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2589[16:46:19] <hellyeah> i imagine there is a command for converting mp4 to mp3
2590[16:46:24] <hellyeah> but anyway this works too
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2592[16:46:37] <foocraft> ffmpeg does that, iirc
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2595[16:47:23] <jhutchins> hellyeah: You can't really convert mp4 to mp3, they are different things.
2596[16:48:51] <hellyeah> encoding is different?
2597[16:49:08] <hellyeah> i remember like ffmpeg should do that
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2600[16:49:49] <Joost> how would I go about downgrading a pcakage without removing packages that depend on it?
2601[16:50:00] <Fjorgynn> anyone here got an android phone and knows how to successfully mount it?
2602[16:50:10] <Joost> i.e. I have a package from backports that I want to roll back to stable, but if I simply apt-get remove, it deletes half my system
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2620[16:55:22] <RoyK> hellyeah: yes, ffmpeg does transcoding
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2652[17:06:33] <namix> ive a problem with debian 8 und squid + sarg: SARG: Cannot get the modification time of input log file /var/log/squid3/access.log (No such file or directory). Processing it anyway | SARG: File not found: /var/log/squid3/access.log
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2660[17:08:04] <namix> but /var/log/squid3/access.log exists and is owned by proxy:proxy with r:rw and o=, and the standard cronjob in /etc/cron.daily/sarg works as root
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2663[17:08:14] <namix> knows anyone about the problem?
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2665[17:08:41] <nkuttler> namix: well, does /var/log/squid3/access.log exist?
2666[17:08:49] <namix> nkuttler: yes, it exists
2667[17:09:02] <nkuttler> namix: and does the user running sarg have +r access?
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2672[17:09:56] <namix> namix: in the cronjob is no user entry, so it works with root, except in the source code is a different user
2673[17:10:02] <namix> nkuttler:
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2676[17:10:26] <nkuttler> i'm not sure what that means
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2678[17:10:53] <namix> nkuttler: the cronjob works as root and the file is there
2679[17:11:12] <namix> /var/log/squid3/access.log
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2684[17:12:50] <toogley> hey. i have a rewritable dvd which i want to burn a iso image to. but when i do, some errors occur: replaced-url
2685[17:13:08] <toogley> using bs=1 hasn't solved the issue
2686[17:13:29] <socomm> FEDORA!!!
2687[17:13:43] <toogley> socomm: yes :P
2688[17:13:58] <socomm> toogley: i/o error could be the medium or could be the writer
2689[17:14:15] <socomm> do you have another dis(k|c) to test with?
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2692[17:14:59] <toogley> socomm: yeah. hm, i think i can't get around testing another one. hm
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2706[17:19:43] <socomm> toogley: also, check for scratches or smudges on the disk
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2710[17:21:07] <toogley> socomm: replaced-url
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2713[17:21:52] <stoned> jhutchins: yes you can, and you you often need to.
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2717[17:22:09] <stoned> jhutchins: youtube videos are usually mp4 files and you must extract audio out of it and save as mp3
2718[17:22:24] <stoned> It's a valid usecase. youtube-dl does it automatically
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2720[17:22:50] <socomm> toogley: you sure this is a blank DVD? also, make sure you're using correct device
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2724[17:23:15] <stoned> MP4 is a media container format used to store media of many possible types on a computer. Therefore, an MP3 file is limited with regard to the method of compression and can only store audio. MP4 on the other hand, can store video as well as audio. It can even store subtitles for a video file.
2725[17:23:24] <erm3nda> videos are fully downloaded then auto-deleted untill you said the oppossite
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2727[17:23:40] <stoned> A container format is not the same as a compressed audio format.
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2729[17:24:09] <toogley> socomm: well, the dvd was brand new (i.e. plastics around) /dev/cdrom results in the same error. how do i make sure to use the correct device?
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2731[17:25:51] <stoned> toogley: that's now how you write iso images to optical media.
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2734[17:26:11] <stoned> toogley: you need dvd recording software in linux
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2736[17:26:28] <toogley> stoned: .. i can't make that with dd?
2737[17:26:36] <stoned> No
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2739[17:27:19] <stoned> ,v bashburn
2740[17:27:20] <judd> Package: bashburn on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.1-2~deb7u1; stretch: 3.0.1-2; sid: 3.0.1-2; jessie: 3.0.1-2
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2742[17:27:25] <stoned> Try this.
2743[17:27:29] <stoned> Or wodim
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2745[17:27:45] <stoned> ,v wodim
2746[17:27:46] <judd> Package: wodim on amd64 -- wheezy: 9:1.1.11-2; stretch: 9:1.1.11-3; jessie: 9:1.1.11-3; sid: 9:1.1.11-3
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2748[17:27:52] <stoned> Yeah, you're golden.
2749[17:27:59] <stoned> Don't use dd. Use one of these programs instead.
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2757[17:29:43] <toogley> stoned: technical curiosity: why can't i use dd for that?
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2760[17:30:05] <stoned> Unsure. Some report it works, some report it spins the dvd drive inifinitely, some it fails, like yours.
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2763[17:30:19] <stoned> I haven't looked into it, I can't exactly say why. I know that from experience it fails for me too.
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2766[17:30:25] <stoned> s/fails/failed*
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2774[17:32:46] <toogley> stoned: kk
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2777[17:32:52] <stoned> toogley: replaced-url
2778[17:32:53] <toogley> stoned: thx for the tip.
2779[17:32:57] <stoned> check this for a min
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2784[17:34:56] <jhutchins> toogley: A CD/DVD is not a block device, it uses a different storage format.
2785[17:35:00] <erm3nda> toogley, ur writting an iso to a partition, maybe there's no space left at all
2786[17:35:22] <erm3nda> bs= is not required at all to do raw pastes between iso and device
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2788[17:36:00] <erm3nda> sudo dd if=systemrescuecd-x86-4.8.1.iso of=/dev/sr .... sr0 will be first partition, maybe you want to just use /dev/sr
2789[17:36:01] <jhutchins> toogley: dd, cp, and other filecopy commands work with block devices; hd's, floppies, and flash drives are block devices.
2790[17:36:32] <erm3nda> u can also use disks utitity, that has an option to write an iso to
2791[17:36:47] <jhutchins> toogley: replaced-url
2792[17:36:51] <erm3nda> i do use dd for usb drives with no clue
2793[17:37:00] <toogley> `ryban: ah, right. that could be the reason
2794[17:37:05] <toogley> jhutchins: ^
2795[17:37:16] <toogley> ehm. erm3nda ^
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2797[17:37:48] <toogley> anyways, i'm currently using xfburn. to be sure :D
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2799[17:37:51] <jhutchins> toogley: No, it's not a partitioned device, it's not a block device, it uses a different data format.
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2802[17:38:32] <socomm> bashburn, sounds like a good hacker handle
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2804[17:38:47] <jhutchins> toogley: It's more like a single linear stream, since it was originally developed to store music.
2805[17:38:57] <MrKeuner> Hi, Jessie here with gnome-shell... middle button doesn't send the window to back, is it a setting somewhere, or no longer supported?
2806[17:39:01] <stoned> iso9660
2807[17:39:12] <MrKeuner> middle button sends the Google Chrome window back though
2808[17:39:27] <stoned> replaced-url
2809[17:39:33] <toogley> jhutchins: ah, okay
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2811[17:39:41] <toogley> jhutchins: thx.
2812[17:39:47] <toogley> well thanks debian :D
2813[17:40:02] <stoned> I knew it had something to do with format, but I didn't want to say b/c I wasn't sure.
2814[17:40:21] <jhutchins> That CDR faq is pretty much EVERYTHING there is to know about iso9660 and related info.
2815[17:40:26] <stoned> Then again, I haven't burned anything since... 2008~ish
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2820[17:41:02] <stoned> I don't like statements like that.
2821[17:41:28] <appas> near the subject... if i buy a bigger disk for my laptop, can i just dd the old one to an intermediary disk, then dd again to the new disk, and expect it to work (using a live boot usb)?
2822[17:41:40] <stoned> There is information to be found in many places.
2823[17:41:52] <stoned> It's like the religious, this is our CDR bible, you must follow this.
2824[17:42:20] <stoned> Everythign is in here. Like the Quran. A universal guide book for all thigns CDR.
2825[17:42:22] <stoned> Meh.
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2827[17:43:03] <jhutchins> Heh - faq was last updated in 2010 - not much is changing these days. I don't think it covers BRD.
2828[17:43:17] <stoned> :)
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2837[17:44:20] <stoned> toogley: why are you burning a DVD?
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2853[17:50:57] <ksft> my system clock isn't correct
2854[17:51:03] <ksft> it's several hours ahead
2855[17:51:11] <ksft> the minutes are correct
2856[17:51:16] <greycat> Is your timezone correct?
2857[17:51:17] <arha> tzselect
2858[17:51:19] <ksft> yes
2859[17:51:30] <ksft> tzselect reports the incorrect hour for my timezone
2860[17:51:31] <greycat> Do you dual-boot with Windows on the same machine?
2861[17:51:34] <ksft> yes
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2864[17:51:45] <ksft> I don't use it, though, and I haven't for a while
2865[17:51:56] <greycat> If Windows is storing the time in local instead of UTC, then you probably need to tell Linux to expect the time to be in local.
2866[17:52:04] <arha> windows saves local time to clock, debian stores UTC
2867[17:52:09] <ksft> ohh
2868[17:52:11] <arha> ^ what greycat says
2869[17:52:19] <ksft> the time tzselect reports as UTC is the correct local time
2870[17:52:29] <greycat> And I used to know how to do that before systemd came along.
2871[17:52:30] <ksft> how do I fix it?
2872[17:53:35] <greycat> !utc
2873[17:53:36] <dpkg> Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (replaced-url
2874[17:53:40] <toogley> stoned: because i want to format a harddrive to install windows. :P
2875[17:53:46] <greycat> I don't know if that's correct for jessie. You can try it.
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2877[17:53:50] <toogley> stoned: (my grandma wants it so)
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2888[17:56:30] <ksft> "Failed to restart hwclock.service: Unit hwclock.service is masked."
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2890[17:57:01] <thermal> hi, need help with the iwlwifi firmware
2891[17:57:05] <stoned> toogley: but you don't have a spare USB drive?
2892[17:57:09] <stoned> thumbsick/flash thingy
2893[17:57:56] <stoned> You can even install debian directly from windows, w/o needing a usb/cd dvd.
2894[17:58:08] <stoned> That's more complicated though.
2895[17:58:11] <stoned> Just slightly.
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2898[17:58:54] <stoned> Goodbye microsoft doesn't work on new windows machiens though, which means grub won't work, and grub 2 is probably a hassle on windows (in my experience)
2899[17:59:07] <stoned> Neogrub works just like it should (legacy grub for windows)
2900[17:59:23] <stoned> It's all in the install guide.
2901[17:59:30] <stoned> Not neogrub, but grub.
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2908[18:01:42] <stoned> Oh, I misread again. You're installing windows?
2909[18:01:46] <stoned> You suck! :)
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2913[18:03:54] <NutsNBolts> is there a debian kernel which has support for amdgpu for sea islands series activated?
2914[18:04:13] <toogley> stoned: sry, i was afk^^ . the situation is: i install currently windows, yes. the dvd burning situation is solved, xfburn helped. i think i understand dvd/dd not good enough to use dd to burn things :D
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2916[18:04:31] <toogley> stoned: and no problem for misreading, i do that also all the time. :D
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2918[18:04:42] <stoned> But I am stoned. I should not be misreading.
2919[18:04:48] <stoned> Well, right now I am not stoned.
2920[18:04:50] <stoned> Bye bye.
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2922[18:05:05] <toogley> stoned: bye. :)
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2924[18:05:12] <SKYRAN> stoned: BYE
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2944[18:12:32] <mtcj> I've done some testing with LTSP chroots. I'd like to use the same chroot for several clients, some of which benefit from proprietary graphics drivers. I had hoped to use lts.conf to accomplish this but after adding both graphics drivers I find that the desktop environment crashes on both clients.
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2948[18:14:35] <mtcj> Would anyone like to brainstorm with me?
2949[18:14:47] <appas> mtcj: shoot
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2952[18:15:49] <mtcj> what are your initial thoughts or questions based on my initial description?
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2955[18:17:03] <soee_> what the easiest way to install java on debian based VPS ?
2956[18:17:06] <appas> oops, i didn't realize you'd already laid the groundwork. i've no idea about this subject matter, sorry
2957[18:17:15] <appas> soee_: apt ;)
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2960[18:17:54] <soee_> appas: but there is not java in default repos right?
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2965[18:18:47] <appas> soee_: there is the icedtea jre
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2968[18:19:16] <mtcj> packages.debian.org would be a resource to see which Java options there are and if they're in contrib.
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2970[18:19:50] <mtcj> You can also check out openjdk and openjre. I don't know what Debian has off the top of my head.
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2997[18:30:24] <ksft> I have Ubuntu and Debian installed on my computer.
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2999[18:30:36] <ksft> Ubuntu is on /dev/sda8, and Debian is on /dev/sda10.
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3001[18:30:46] <ksft> How do I get the files from the Ubuntu partiton in Debian?
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3004[18:31:33] <mtn> ksft: use the file manager and click on the ubuntu partition.or use the Disks tool to mount it first
3005[18:31:54] <ksft> what's the Disks tool?
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3007[18:32:30] <ksft> oh, nevermind, I got it
3008[18:32:31] <digdilem> or on the command line, something like: "mount /dev/sda8 /mnt" and it should mount the ubuntu files into /mnt while you're in debian
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3011[18:33:28] <ktchk> debian run remastersys?
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3142[19:47:07] <jhutchins> ksft: Be careful about copying things other than data from Ubuntu though. The systems may look a lot alike but they're different and copying binaries or libs can break them.
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3166[19:58:09] <rafalcpp> when connected via ssh, how to tell system to perform an almost-full reboot, that is, restart all services (e.g. to reload them after lib version security upgrade)?
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3172[19:59:49] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: You can install "needrestart", and it will tell you which services need restarting, and offer to do that.
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3174[20:00:25] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: When installed, it automatically runs after a package update, but you can also run it by hand.
3175[20:01:10] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: cool. is it guaranteed to not actually reboot computer? what about kernel updates?
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3183[20:04:19] <rafalcpp> -r l looks good
3184[20:05:00] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: You can verify it via its manpage.
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3204[20:14:56] <tgunr> Having a problem with apt-get install, when the post script runs trying to use adduser, the systems hangs. Tacked it down to `/root/bin/adduser --system --group --home /nonexistent --no-create-home --gecos Dovecot login user --disabled-password --quiet dovenull' which is asking for desired username when it is already specified.
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3207[20:15:34] <tgunr> Why is Jessie doing this to me?
3208[20:16:02] <meowshwitz> /root/bin/adduser?
3209[20:16:29] <tgunr> thats what is being called from the package
3210[20:16:49] <tgunr> `/bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/dovecot-core.postinst configure'
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3212[20:17:25] <meowshwitz> durr
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3214[20:17:54] <tgunr> looking in the script it uses `adduser'
3215[20:18:06] <tgunr> doh!
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3217[20:18:09] <tgunr> i see it!
3218[20:18:55] <tgunr> sometimes can't see the forect for trees
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3223[20:19:26] <meowshwitz> should be useradd, and the gecos argument should be escaped
3224[20:19:35] <tgunr> I had transferred over an old setup which add a bin folder
3225[20:19:46] <hiya> does automatic detection of date/time (by network access) works by default in Debian?
3226[20:19:49] <hiya> when we connect to a vpn etc, then why does not the time / data settings change automatically even if it is set to automatic?
3227[20:20:19] <jhutchins> tgunr: WHat release are you on?
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3230[20:20:43] <jhutchins> tgunr: Sounds like syntax might have changed and the dovecot package didn't update (or vice versa).
3231[20:20:53] <tgunr> `[pve]/root/usr/bin (508): cat /etc/debian_version
3232[20:20:53] <tgunr> 8.5'
3233[20:21:38] <jhutchins> tgunr: I have had version/package problems with dovecot before - another distro managed to package it with an incompatible version of the config file.
3234[20:21:41] <meowshwitz> tgunr: so its using a wrong binary?
3235[20:22:01] <meowshwitz> in sid, adduser is invoked from $PATH
3236[20:22:10] <tgunr> correct, removing the culpit and trying again
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3239[20:22:33] <meowshwitz> also the gecos parameter is escaped
3240[20:22:35] <petn-randall> hiya: What do your timezone settings have to do with VPN?
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3247[20:23:30] <petn-randall> hiya: If you want your system clock to be updated via the internet, you need to install something like ntpdate, ntpd, or chrony.
3248[20:23:39] <tgunr> meowshwitz yep, that was the problem, had ~/bin in front
3249[20:23:49] <petn-randall> hiya: To change you timezone, you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata'.
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3252[20:24:08] <tgunr> isn't ntp on by default?
3253[20:24:25] <meowshwitz> I hope not
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3255[20:24:42] <tgunr> guess not, just checked this box
3256[20:24:44] <petn-randall> tgunr: It's only "on" if you installed it.
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3258[20:24:49] <tgunr> cc
3259[20:25:06] <jhutchins> tgunr: ntp can be done by systemd now.
3260[20:25:35] <tgunr> I haven't transitioned to systemd yet
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3267[20:27:57] <hiya> petn-randall, so even after installing those packages the time won't automatically change as per the IP of the VPN?
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3269[20:28:23] <petn-randall> hiya: No OS does that. I don't understand why it should do that, either.
3270[20:28:50] <hiya> petn-randall, because even if you are on a VPN, you are going to leak time zone
3271[20:28:58] <hiya> doileak.com shows it and many others
3272[20:28:59] <meowshwitz> how are you going to leak time zone
3273[20:29:26] <petn-randall> hiya: Take a wiper and mop it up then.
3274[20:29:27] <hiya> via Web browser or bittorrent client
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3276[20:29:42] <petn-randall> hiya: Which distro are you using?
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3278[20:29:58] <hiya> I am using Jessie?
3279[20:30:06] <hiya> Debian GNU/Linux
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3282[20:31:02] <hiya> petn-randall, What do you mean which distro in Debian channel?
3283[20:31:03] <meowshwitz> hiya: if that is a real concern for you then a trivial hack can be applied to solve it
3284[20:31:03] <hiya> :P
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3286[20:31:14] <hiya> meowshwitz, ok sir? kindly recommend
3287[20:31:21] <jelly> "set the TZ to UTC"
3288[20:31:31] <meowshwitz> ^
3289[20:31:42] <hiya> :P
3290[20:31:46] <hiya> Awesome
3291[20:31:50] <hiya> I love it
3292[20:31:51] <hiya> :P
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3294[20:32:24] <jelly> if you're THAT paranoid, you are already making lots of other choices towards security and against usability
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3297[20:33:01] <jelly> at that point setting the TZ inside a VM isn't a whole lot of inconvenience at all
3298[20:33:45] <petn-randall> hiya: Maybe you want to use Tails instead?
3299[20:35:13] <hiya> jelly, but changing it to UTC would cause issues right?
3300[20:35:45] <jelly> !TIAS
3301[20:35:45] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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3304[20:36:36] <hiya> jelly, but should i make it UTC only? Or UTC +/- my country?
3305[20:36:44] <hiya> ah it makes no sense it I do so
3306[20:37:25] <meowshwitz> or you could just.. not do any of that
3307[20:37:27] <jelly> if you have to ask that question I have to assume you're not even aware what "leaking the timezone" means
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3309[20:37:40] <hiya> :P
3310[20:37:43] <hiya> Sorry sorry
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3312[20:38:24] <jelly> if you CARE about not exposing the value, then you PROBABLY don't want to set it to the correct value, don't you think
3313[20:38:44] <jelly> you wan to set it to the most common, or the most neutral value. UTC is the latter.
3314[20:38:59] <meowshwitz> in point of fact, if you are manipulating it you are creating a discernible pattern by which you can be identified
3315[20:39:33] <jelly> if you're asking whether to set it to your country's value.. well, it's already set that way and YOU said you don't want that info to be exposed
3316[20:39:36] <croddy> i recommend setting your wristwatch, cell phone, etc. to UTC also
3317[20:39:56] <croddy> the only confusing part is that the date changes in the middle of the day, but you'll get used to that after 5-10 years.
3318[20:40:21] <jelly> or, instead of being a paranoid git, you could read Schneier and try to assess risk in a SANE manner
3319[20:41:12] <meowshwitz> I'm reading Applied Cryptography right now and really enjoying it
3320[20:41:22] <hiya> Cannot I make the time zone set itself, based on the IP of the VPN I connect to?
3321[20:41:29] <hiya> network time don't work like this?
3322[20:41:31] <jelly> (and if you need a secure machine, it probably ought to be air gapped and _never_ come in contact with a default debian install)
3323[20:41:32] <meowshwitz> I thought I grokked public key cryptography.. but I don't
3324[20:41:40] <petn-randall> jelly: No, but I'm using Kali and I don't want to give the NSA hints where to send the ICBMs.
3325[20:41:40] <meowshwitz> hiya: write a post-connect script
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3327[20:41:53] <jelly> petn-randall: they already know!
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3329[20:42:14] <hiya> ok thanks man
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3336[20:43:11] <meowshwitz> hiya: also bear in mind that some applications would have their internal clock in which case they'd need to be restarted
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3338[20:43:46] <meowshwitz> really more pain than its worth
3339[20:43:55] <DeaDSouL> this is my first time reading the debian-handbook... and there are lots and lots of vvv-useful information.. it's really a must-read-book for debian's users.. thanks debian-team :)
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3344[20:44:11] <hiya> meowshwitz, I am still confused how Automatic Time Zone would work then which requires internet access, and where is the configuration file for it, in case we wish to tweak it
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3346[20:45:15] <petn-randall> DeaDSouL: It's really a good ressource. Consider contributing back or thanking the author(s) if you feel like it.
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3348[20:45:36] <DeaDSouL> hiya: have you looked at the debian-handbook? check: replaced-url
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3351[20:46:33] <jelly> meowshwitz: timezones should never change or affect internal state of an app or service timer. They are solely a convenience for humans, that is, output formatting.
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3354[20:46:59] <jelly> if you've seen an app that <meowshwitz> hiya: also bear in mind that some applications would have their internal clock in which case they'd need to be restarted
3355[20:47:03] <jelly> ... file a bug report.
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3358[20:48:20] <DeaDSouL> petn-randall: indeed.. I'm going to get the paperback one :)
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3366[20:51:24] <hiya> jelly, ok
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3371[20:53:22] <isaac1> struggling to install jdk
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3373[20:53:49] <isaac1> sudo apt-get install -f openjdk-7-jdk
3374[20:53:53] <isaac1> gives me:
3375[20:54:03] <isaac1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
3376[20:54:05] <isaac1> openjdk-7-jdk : Depends: openjdk-7-jre (= 7u101-2.6.6-2~deb8u1) but 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1 is to be installed
3377[20:54:07] <isaac1> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
3378[20:54:09] <isaac1> What shall I do?
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3380[20:54:52] <DeaDSouL> isaac1: try `aptitude install jdk`
3381[20:55:00] <jelly> !bat
3382[20:55:01] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3383[20:55:07] <petn-randall> ,v openjdk-7-jre
3384[20:55:08] <judd> Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u101-2.6.6-2~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; experimental: 7u111-2.6.7-1
3385[20:55:11] <DeaDSouL> isaac1: I mean: `aptitude install openjdk-7-jdk`
3386[20:55:28] <jelly> isaac1: run apt-get update, try again, if it fails provide ALL of the information dpkg listed above.
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3388[20:56:02] <jelly> and don't listen to DeaDSouL, probably
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3392[20:56:28] <DeaDSouL> isaac1: `aptitude` has a better solutions suggestions algorithm
3393[20:56:47] <petn-randall> DeaDSouL: That's not the problem, though.
3394[20:57:02] <jelly> > Couldn't find any package whose name is "jdk",
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3396[20:57:15] <jelly> DeaDSouL: do try not to invent things when helping people
3397[20:57:26] <DeaDSouL> jelly: lol, why? it always suggests solutions for me.. downgrade things, removing things... etc
3398[20:57:33] <ksft> did someone ping me here a little while ago?
3399[20:57:34] <ksft> my IRC client broke, so I didn't see it
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3402[20:58:45] <WormFood> How do I force debian to load a specific driver for a specific USB ID? It appears the hardware is supported by the drivers, but the driver is not aware of this specific ID. I just need to force it to associate a specific driver for this usb ID...hopefully dynamically, without recompiling the module. How do I achieve this in debian stable?
3403[20:58:50] <jelly> DeaDSouL: meant the nonexisting package
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3405[20:59:07] <bibble> hiya, you're are trying to hide the server time from nginx and rtorrent users ?
3406[20:59:14] <trimosier> isaac1, it sounds dumb but did you do apt-get update before trying to install the jdk?
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3408[20:59:53] <cdb23ax> hello can someone help me out? i am running a debian linux server with a E5-2623 v3 @ 3.00GHz cpu and i only run one gameserver its a cs go dedicated server with 1 player and 9 bots. the cpu usage goes up to 100% and its bad performance
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3410[21:00:27] <jelly> cdb23ax: 100% of one core, or 100% of all cores?
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3415[21:01:40] <jelly> cdb23ax: run "top", press 1 so that all cores are seen in the header, then pastebin a sample screen
3416[21:02:15] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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3418[21:03:03] <tobiasBora> I would like to buy a Wifi Card, connecting with Mini PCI Express, that support bluetooth 4.0, wifi b,g,b
3419[21:03:17] <tobiasBora> and *which is well supported on Linux*.
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3423[21:03:49] <tobiasBora> Do you have a good wifi card for that ?
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3428[21:06:41] <cdb23ax> jelly: replaced-url
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3431[21:06:59] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: The problem is that many manufacturers change the chipsets without changing the models, so what worked well last month suddenly doesn't.
3432[21:07:19] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: The best you can do is buy it from a place that will let you return it if it doesn't work for you.
3433[21:07:33] <jelly> cdb23ax: so you have 7 cores idle, and about 94% of ONE core total used
3434[21:07:44] <jelly> fix your single-threaded app
3435[21:07:47] <jhutchins> Even Apple does this.
3436[21:07:56] <cdb23ax> i cant fix it
3437[21:08:11] <cdb23ax> its a valve dedicated server for counter-strike global offensive
3438[21:08:25] <jelly> then you bought a 4 core HT machine to have 75% of it idling all the time
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3441[21:08:54] <jelly> (or 87.5%, depending on whether you leave HT enabled or disable it)
3442[21:09:07] <cdb23ax> jelly: no i just disabled all services right now just to troubleshoot this issue with this one gameserver
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