• 0[00:00:01] <tom99> alias_neo are you building for a specific debian version? sid? jessie?
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• 2[00:00:07] <alias_neo> wheezy
• 3[00:00:35] <tom99> well i'd like to help you but my wheezy is corrupt with weird packages. maybe i should just reinstall and have wheezy, jessie, and sid side by side
• 4[00:00:40] <alias_neo> specifically I'm building this: replaced-url
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• 6[00:00:43] <mtcj> OK. And you want to figure out when that static to dynamic change occurred to see if you can undo it?
• 7[00:01:10] <alias_neo> mtcj: Precisely
• 8[00:01:46] <alias_neo> mtcj: Their changelog mentions when it happens, but the "change" number doesn't relate to any commits that I can see, and a github search didn't turn up what I was after
• 9[00:01:52] <jim> so, it -could- be that deleting the shared libs is "the wrong thing to do" because (somehow) the things that use the lib can see how it was built (aka with shared) but the file is missing (since you deleted it
• 10[00:02:05] <mtcj> OK I'll look through change logs and conmits too. Ping me if you think something is said I might need to know
• 11[00:02:29] <mtcj> What change log was the change mentioned?
• 12[00:02:45] <alias_neo> jim: It's possible, but I have suspeicions from my experiementation that it's more dumb than that and just dynamically links
• 13[00:03:20] <jim> (however, it looks like before you tried to build just the static part of the libs, and did that with the ./configure invocation, which didn't work)
• 14[00:03:49] <alias_neo> Yes
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• 16[00:04:04] <alias_neo> I've tried all combinations of just static, just dynamic (works) and both
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• 18[00:04:18] <alias_neo> mtcj: Just trying to find it, one moment
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• 21[00:05:10] <alias_neo> mtcj: ChangeLog line 4961
• 22[00:05:58] <jim> what if you try this: build the libs with --disable-shared, but build the app without specifying static? (my theory for this case, is it will dynamically link to libs -other- than these two, and link statically to the two libs)
• 23[00:06:05] <alias_neo> mtcj: I was grepping originally which is why I didn't see the date, now atleast I now how far to loook
• 24[00:06:20] <alias_neo> jim: Let me try that then
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• 27[00:07:27] <jim> this will require that you install the other libs (not sure which ones they are without looking at ldd output) on the target
• 28[00:07:35] <jim> are you trying to package this/
• 29[00:07:39] <jim> ?
• 30[00:07:40] <mtcj> It looks like NEWS line 80ish talks about it too
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• 36[00:08:17] <alias_neo> jim: I'm not too worried about packaging it, I just need to be able to install it on the target manually or otherwise
• 37[00:09:04] <alias_neo> Preferrably all libs would be statically linked and I have a single binary to deploy
• 38[00:09:11] <alias_neo> make scripting easier for any future install
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• 41[00:11:05] <alias_neo> Notice how Android is statically linked in the dist-build dir, so it must be possible
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• 44[00:12:52] <jim> alias_neo, I was just wondering... because if I recall correctly the debian package build process will look at the binary to determine which libs are being dynamically linked to, and add those libs to the dependency list in the metadata for the package
• 45[00:13:26] <alias_neo> I see
• 46[00:13:35] <jim> hm, the target is a phone?
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• 48[00:13:55] <alias_neo> Mine, now. But it _can_ target a phone
• 49[00:13:58] <alias_neo> no*
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• 51[00:14:31] <alias_neo> my target is a mips64 edge router
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• 53[00:15:41] <iKarith> zinx: binding everything worked to let me run update-initramfs, but failed to allow me to actually y'know reboot the system *sigh* Any suggestions for making it work when I inevitably reinstall again?
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• 55[00:17:05] <alias_neo> this, for example, is static: replaced-url
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• 57[00:17:19] <alias_neo> (but is a cross-compile)
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• 61[00:18:23] * iKarith could really use a KVM *sigh* :)
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• 63[00:19:04] <iKarith> At least a USB switch. The monitor can handle its part well enough
• 64[00:20:52] <mtcj> alias_neo: have you grepped the build log for static and shared? Just spitballing
• 65[00:21:27] <alias_neo> yeah. nothing in there. but I see a full path to the shared object
• 66[00:21:27] <mtcj> On their build logs I see ocassional mentions
• 67[00:21:37] <mtcj> But nothing that stood out
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• 74[00:24:32] <lindylex> jmcnaught: should I edit /lib/systemd/system/mpd.service directly?
• 75[00:24:53] <alias_neo> I see nothing on May 26th commit either related to this
• 76[00:24:59] <alias_neo> sodium
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• 79[00:25:28] <torvaldi> hello
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• 92[00:30:50] <mtcj> Hey uh
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• 95[00:31:39] <mtcj> Did you run ldconfig after removing the shared libsodium?
• 96[00:32:02] <mtcj> alias_neo
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• 98[00:32:52] <alias_neo> ... ehr..no :'(
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• 100[00:32:58] <alias_neo> totally forgot
• 101[00:33:18] <mtcj> Good luck maybe that's it
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• 103[00:33:27] <alias_neo> luckily it just finished building libsodium with --disable-shared as jim suggested, so i'll try it now
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• 108[00:35:13] <jim> alias_neo, it -might- be better than just removing something
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• 111[00:36:18] <alias_neo> jim: Agreed, my ham-fisted approach was probably not the best
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• 118[00:40:37] <alias_neo> OK, assuming I fail to build this statically, how do I go about packing libsodium to deploy to the same device?
• 119[00:40:42] <alias_neo> (the dynamic lib)
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• 125[00:42:44] <mtcj> replaced-url
• 126[00:43:13] <jim> is the target a debian (or debian deriv using the same package format)?
• 127[00:43:38] <alias_neo> debian wheezy
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• 129[00:43:42] <alias_neo> same as the build machine
• 130[00:43:46] <alias_neo> and same arch
• 131[00:43:51] <jim> ok
• 132[00:43:59] <alias_neo> my build machine is a vm I created to (hopefully) make this simpler
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• 134[00:44:23] <alias_neo> mtcj: I see that, I might need to pull that and mod it a bit and give it ago
• 135[00:44:43] <jim> packaging libs is involved, if I recall correctly
• 136[00:44:54] <alias_neo> jim :(
• 137[00:45:09] <alias_neo> Can I just take the .a and .la and put them in /usr/local/lib and be done?
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• 139[00:45:52] <jim> you could try a first cut to see if it works for your app... also, there could be future issues involving the building of other things that link against the lib being packaged
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• 141[00:46:17] <alias_neo> jim: Makes sense
• 142[00:46:32] <jim> the .a libs are libs you -build- with
• 143[00:46:46] <alias_neo> mtcj: It appears that script will not work, because the gcc compiler on my VM doesn't support "-static" for some reason
• 144[00:46:53] <jim> one implication of this, is that .h headers are involved
• 145[00:47:21] <mtcj> alias_neo: It looks like neither does theirs looking at their build logs
• 146[00:47:29] <alias_neo> mtcj ha
• 147[00:48:09] <alias_neo> ok, how about a different approach? sid has libsodium, is there any way to get a compatible version on wheezy?
• 148[00:48:19] <jim> static building of this particular thing is looking more and more like a research question
• 149[00:48:54] <alias_neo> jim: sadly yet, and I was hoping to spend my sunday learning to use it rather than learning to build it :(
• 150[00:48:59] <jim> alias_neo, you can try a "simple sid backport"
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• 152[00:49:53] <jim> I didn't know the lib was in debian until this moment... you should try a simple sid backport
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• 154[00:50:31] <jim> I'll try talking you through it
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• 156[00:50:47] <alias_neo> jim: grea thanks
• 157[00:50:50] <jim> first, you need deb-src lines for sid
• 158[00:50:54] <mtcj> Maybe static build needs to use the static gcc or an option passed to ld
• 159[00:51:03] <mtcj> But not right now
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• 161[00:51:41] <alias_neo> woah, hold on!
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• 163[00:51:44] <alias_neo> it build
• 164[00:51:52] <alias_neo> !!
• 165[00:51:52] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
• 166[00:51:53] <jim> it did?
• 167[00:52:00] <mtcj> Just after ldconfig?
• 168[00:52:03] <alias_neo> yeah, so I build libsodium with --disable-shared
• 169[00:52:05] <jim> dpkg, :P
• 170[00:52:05] <dpkg> well, p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
• 171[00:52:09] <mtcj> Ok
• 172[00:52:13] <alias_neo> configured dnscrypt with --disable-shared --enable-static
• 173[00:52:23] <mtcj> Wao
• 174[00:52:27] <alias_neo> now if I run ldd on the binary there is no libsodium
• 175[00:52:36] <jim> I thought yu did that :)
• 176[00:52:44] <jim> but, good :)
• 177[00:52:46] <alias_neo> mtcj reminded me of a simple step i forgot...
• 178[00:52:55] <alias_neo> *cough*ldconfig*cough*
• 179[00:53:04] <jim> ohh
• 180[00:53:17] <mtcj> Makes sense, enable sounds optional, disable sounds mandatory
• 181[00:53:23] * alias_neo slaps himself across the head
• 182[00:53:31] <jim> which makes symlinks so that the lib files can be found
• 183[00:53:54] <alias_neo> ok, proof in the pudding, lets see if it executes on the target
• 184[00:54:15] <jim> which would be in the eating
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• 186[00:55:19] <alias_neo> hmm, so target is missing glibc apparently
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• 189[00:56:04] <alias_neo> Ah, the target has 2.13 and my binary needs 2.15
• 190[00:56:17] <alias_neo> darn
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• 194[00:57:07] <mtcj> All of the nop that was ever made
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• 197[00:57:37] <kroSoft> hi all
• 198[00:58:04] <mtcj> Hmm Jessie has 2.19
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• 200[00:58:50] <mtcj> I know that's not necessarily a solution
• 201[00:59:19] <alias_neo> Odd
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• 204[01:01:20] <alias_neo> Ok, it runs with upgraded libc6 (glibc-2.19)
• 205[01:01:27] <alias_neo> I@m not sure if that could have broken something else though
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• 209[01:02:35] <USER247> hi peoples
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• 215[01:06:00] <USER247> I recently discovered a new issue, I am unable to adjust screen brightness, kern.log displays the following Sep 11 18:51:18 debianX250 gnome-settings-[4111]: Failed to set new screen percentage: Timeout was reached
• 216[01:06:00] <USER247> Sep 11 18:51:18 debianX250 gnome-settings-[4111]: Failed to set new screen percentage: Timeout was reached
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• 218[01:06:57] <USER247> where should I look next to troubleshoot this issue. I am using debian jessie with gnome wayland session
• 219[01:07:05] <mtcj> alias_neo: it's not guaranteed that having two versions will break stuff. replaced-url
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• 221[01:07:26] <mtcj> So if you have issues you can always try an approach with multiple versions
• 222[01:07:29] <econissi> Greetings. I'm here to investigate the Jew hatred I've been told you've been receiving.
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• 225[01:07:51] <alias_neo> mtcj: Yeah, but the line in the output that said "replacing glibc..." worries me a little, then it had to restart a bunch of system services
• 226[01:07:56] <bazhang> econissi, no need pleaes stop
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• 228[01:08:15] <mtcj> eir: Are you free today?
• 229[01:08:28] <econissi> bazhang, All is well?
• 230[01:08:37] <bazhang> yes
• 231[01:08:57] <econissi> Any more antisemitism and you give the admins over at #freenode a shout. Is that clear?
• 232[01:09:23] <bazhang> take it elsewhere please econissi
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• 234[01:10:30] <stephanie92> hey guys, so i'm currently managing 25+ VMs on proxmox and will soon have multiple proxmox servers with 50+ VM's on them (maybe around 100VMs when everything is all said and done). Do you guys recommend a cpanel to control all these VMs? (i.e. just monitoring them, deploying scripts, general automation)
• 235[01:10:38] <missmbob> !proxmox
• 236[01:10:38] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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• 241[01:11:49] <stephanie92> missmbob: If you're trying to tell me that you can't answer my question because it involves proxmox, i could rewrite the same exact question removing the term proxmox
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• 244[01:12:14] <missmbob> stephanie92: i really dont care. it's not supported here
• 245[01:12:20] <stephanie92> missmbob: proxmox is irrelevant, as it is just a virtualization platform
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• 247[01:12:26] <alias_neo> mtcj,jim: Thank you both for the assistance, it's my bed time (work in the morning) so I'll get to testing my build tommorrow
• 248[01:12:33] <stephanie92> missmbob: Did you even read my question? It really has nothing to do with Proxmox
• 249[01:12:43] <stephanie92> missmbob: it's more about managing a bunch of debian VMs
• 250[01:12:57] <USER247> how about you try the channel suggested you may get a better answer there
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• 252[01:13:13] <jim> ok, hope it works out
• 253[01:13:14] <stephanie92> USER247: I will re-word the question, 1 second
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• 255[01:13:21] <alias_neo> thanks, take care
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• 257[01:14:29] <mtcj> stephanie92: I think the CPanel part of your question will also lead to off topic objections too.
• 258[01:15:02] <stephanie92> Hi guys, I'm currently managing 25+ remote Debian VPS'. Soon I will have around 50-100 Debian VPS's i'll be managing. Can you guys recommend a good automation platform?
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• 260[01:15:26] <mtcj> And even "do you recommend a control system" is probably going to. It's not a bad question, just not relevant to Debian.
• 261[01:15:53] <mtcj> Unless it was specific to an issue Debian has with a system.
• 262[01:16:07] <stephanie92> mtcj: Meh, well there are plenty of control systems, just not sure if any of you guys are in a similar situation as many people here are linux admins
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• 264[01:16:23] <stephanie92> so i figured i'd pick the channels brain.
• 265[01:16:28] <USER247> Hi all I am running debian Jessie with gnome how where can I look to next to troubleshoot this screen brightness issue. Sep 11 18:51:18 debianX250 gnome-settings-[4111]: Failed to set new screen percentage: Timeout was reached
• 266[01:16:29] <stephanie92> just a general question, not looking for support
• 267[01:17:03] <mtcj> The point is people gather here out of a desire to discuss Debian related stuff.
• 268[01:17:27] <mtcj> It's like being at a wedding party and talking everyone up about your new job.
• 269[01:17:31] <stephanie92> mtcj: I've been using this channel for years and I see topics way further off than the one i just brought up. But thanks/
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• 271[01:17:48] <mtcj> Not a bad think to discuss, just not the right time and place.
• 272[01:18:11] <jim> stephanie92, just so you know, this is pretty mucch a fight that... (1) you can't win here and (2) has been tried many times over the years... one part is, as proxmox isn't debian (but is based thereon), there could be thousands of changes from being debian itself, rendering any answers you might get here to be taken with a grain of salt
• 273[01:18:22] <stephanie92> omg
• 274[01:18:28] <stephanie92> my question had nothing to do with fucking proxmox
• 275[01:18:32] <stephanie92> good bye
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• 278[01:18:54] <USER247> fbombs
• 279[01:19:02] <mtn> heh
• 280[01:19:11] <jim> I guess those are ok here
• 281[01:19:22] <USER247> ha
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• 283[01:19:38] <surfist> and I have nine billion, yeah, that's the ticket, vms running
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• 287[01:20:33] <jim> you have 9 billion tickets?! you better pay em!
• 288[01:20:50] <surfist> but they are support tickets
• 289[01:21:12] <mtcj> USER247: is the goal constant brightness setting or a inactivity dimming type thing?
• 290[01:22:33] <USER247> constant brightness setting
• 291[01:23:16] <USER247> brightness controls were working, I am trying to track down what package that I updated that has caused this function to break
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• 293[01:23:44] <mtcj> Ok
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• 300[01:26:41] <Cliff-West> Does anyone know which version of kernel will be in the 8.6 Jessie update?
• 301[01:27:18] <missmbob> 3.16
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• 303[01:28:17] <Cliff-West> Ah.. thanks - still no new kernel update until the next release I guess
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• 305[01:28:54] <missmbob> stretch will likely be 4.8 if you care
• 306[01:29:09] <Cliff-West> Yes, actually needed 4.8 :)
• 307[01:29:18] <Cliff-West> For denverton cpu support
• 308[01:29:23] <missmbob> typo i meant 4.9. but that should work for you
• 309[01:29:27] <USER247> stretch currently is @ 4.6
• 310[01:29:32] <missmbob> i know
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• 312[01:29:41] <missmbob> waiting for next kernel LTS
• 313[01:30:21] <mtcj> Should use 3.18 instead :p
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• 329[01:40:24] <lindylex> How can I stop root cron job from filling up syslog?
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• 356[02:05:23] <winsen> does anyone know the difference between distro "ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64" VS debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-hamradio"? thanks
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• 358[02:05:45] <winsen> Someone said that the last one is "debian compilation"?
• 359[02:05:55] <bazhang> same as all the other channels you asked in winsen
• 360[02:06:21] <bazhang> one is a debian blend
• 361[02:07:40] <bazhang> you were already given the exact link to that debian blend winsen so go read it
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• 373[02:16:14] <winsen> bazhang: hemm, you're still here? now, let people who can/want to reply..
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• 379[02:18:33] <kevr> Hello.
• 380[02:18:42] <bazhang> hi
• 381[02:19:12] <kevr> A system was compromised, and a cron job was added when it was done to a) start ddos flooding and b) override /lib/libudev.so.6 with some other udev library
• 382[02:19:35] <kevr> the cron job is removed, but i'm not sure the state of the udev library
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• 384[02:19:49] <kevr> what would your guys suggestions be to investigating that?
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• 399[02:31:05] <booty2> hi people
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• 409[02:36:39] <jmcnaught> lindylex: sorry for late reply. you should never edit the units in /lib/systemd, that's where packages put unit files. Make a new file in /etc/systemd/system, it will have priority over the unit in /lib. You can also add run-parts style snippets there too
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• 413[02:38:38] <kevr> also, i'm trying to do a full system upgrade inside of a chroot, but mariadb is reporting some errors when being upgraded
• 414[02:39:21] <kevr> E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - posix_openpt (2: No such file or directory), and also invoke-rc.d cannot determine current runlevel
• 415[02:39:27] <kevr> i've mount /dev /proc and /sys from the host system
• 416[02:39:30] <kevr> mounted*
• 417[02:39:32] <jmcnaught> kevr: did you take the compromised system offline?
• 418[02:39:33] <kevr> not sure what to do here
• 419[02:39:37] <kevr> yeah. it's offline
• 420[02:39:45] <kevr> it's in /mnt atm
• 421[02:40:14] <jmcnaught> are you upgrading the compromised system?
• 422[02:40:32] <kevr> yeah
• 423[02:40:34] <kevr> i a m
• 424[02:40:35] <kevr> i am*
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• 426[02:41:00] <kevr> i believe i've removed everything that compromised the system, and they messed with udev, so i removed udev and reinstalled it from apt repositories
• 427[02:41:14] <jmcnaught> kevr: that could and probably does mean that it will still be compromised. the only thing to do is restore from backups on a freshly installed system
• 428[02:41:28] <jmcnaught> kevr: it's a matter of how can you trust that the compromised system is not lying to you
• 429[02:41:34] <kevr> true
• 430[02:41:37] <kevr> but
• 431[02:41:56] <kevr> let's say that i don't care if it's lying to me, is there a way to finish this upgrade issue?
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• 433[02:42:23] <jmcnaught> it can be worthwhile to investigate the compromised (offline) system to try and determine how it was exploited, but i would never recommend putting it back online
• 434[02:42:31] <kevr> i know how it was exploited
• 435[02:42:37] <kevr> the password for root was left as toor for a long time
• 436[02:42:41] <kevr> and it was bruteforced via ssh
• 437[02:42:47] <jmcnaught> ouch
• 438[02:42:49] <kevr> :P
• 439[02:43:51] <jmcnaught> well did you do bind mounts for /dev, /proc and /sys?
• 440[02:44:00] <kevr> yeah
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• 446[02:47:41] <kevr> somehow i just fixed that issue by mounting /dev/pts to /mnt/dev/pts even after i mounted /dev to /mnt/dev
• 447[02:47:44] <kevr> hm
• 448[02:47:48] <kevr> but now i still have this invoke-rc.d: could not determine current runlevel
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• 451[02:51:18] <jmcnaught> kevr: well i've never attempted an upgrade in a chroot, only quick fixes. Without seeing the full output, it sounds like a daemon getting restarted by a hook or postinst script. There is policy-rc.d that you could use to prevent restarting services during upgrades, but i don't know if it still works with jessie and systemd
• 452[02:51:23] <jmcnaught> kevr: replaced-url
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• 456[02:53:35] <jmcnaught> ahh.. according to deb-systemd-invoke(1p) Debian has a wrapper around systemctl so this can still be used
• 457[02:54:05] <jmcnaught> kevr: still, i think that the only responsible thing to do is restore data from backups on a fresh install
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• 464[02:56:53] <kevr> ugh
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• 479[03:04:07] <BlueHoodie> Hi Everyone, I've got sort of a weird issue. When I drag select the blue selector never goes away.
• 480[03:04:18] <BlueHoodie> using debian testing
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• 482[03:04:34] <jmcnaught> BlueHoodie: in which application?
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• 485[03:05:49] <BlueHoodie> jmcnaught: just on the desktop cinnamon
• 486[03:08:07] <BlueHoodie> replaced-url
• 487[03:08:53] <BlueHoodie> they just stay there till reboot. I tried reinstalling video drivers that did not work
• 488[03:09:06] <kevr> which video drivers are you using?
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• 490[03:09:36] <jim> what pkg to install for all of gnome3?
• 491[03:09:51] <BlueHoodie> kevr: Nvidia linux x64 367.44
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• 493[03:10:37] <jmcnaught> BlueHoodie: you can also ask on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is the official testing/unstable support channel. There may be more people there who are familiar with this problem
• 494[03:11:17] <BlueHoodie> jmcnaught: ill try that thanks
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• 510[03:22:05] <awal1> jim, what you mean?
• 511[03:23:20] <missmbob> jim: literally package gnome.
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• 513[03:24:18] <awal1> ok, he meant which pkg is needed for have gnone DE :P
• 514[03:24:25] <awal1> gnome
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• 519[03:28:24] <jmcnaught> there's also task-gnome-desktop
• 520[03:28:27] <jim> awal1, yeah. thanks (and to missmbob)
• 521[03:28:52] <jim> hmm. I'll install each
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• 523[03:30:05] <jmcnaught> jim: you could also look at dpkg's <install gnome> factoid. #3 doesn't work anymore
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• 526[03:30:41] <awal1> jim, check descriptions aptitude show gnome task-gnome-desktop
• 527[03:30:45] <jim> btw... when I use the keepalive strategy of pinging somethingon the other side of the wireless link, wireless is no longer flaky
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• 546[03:47:13] <towerpink> In the first hour Sinead talks with holohoax exposers Monica and Alfred Schaefer to discuss their awakening, their activism and the recent raid on Alfred’s home in Germany.
• 547[03:47:18] <towerpink> replaced-url
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• 587[04:06:53] <stephanie92> I'm having issues with public key ssh authentication on my debian box, is this something I can ask her or should I go try to find an ssh channel
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• 591[04:08:07] <jmcnaught> stephanie92: you can ask here
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• 594[04:09:07] <jmcnaught> there's also an #openssh channel where people might be more knowledgeable
• 595[04:09:43] <stephanie92> jmcnaught: so i performed the basics as usual (creating the key), then transferred it to the remote machine like so, ssh-copy-id -i keyname.pub -p 942 user@ipaddr
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• 597[04:10:10] <stephanie92> jmcnaught: unfortunately, it still prompts me for the password when trying to ssh in
• 598[04:10:16] <Gryllida> Cool! At the client, you can "ssh -vvv" to get more verbose detail...
• 599[04:10:29] <erm3nda> u have to supply password first time with ssh-copy-id
• 600[04:10:45] <stephanie92> Gryllida: yes, i've done that, however i didn't see anything interesting.. i'll try with 3 v's instead of one
• 601[04:10:47] <erm3nda> only when you is on the remote known_hosts you can connect with no passwd
• 602[04:10:53] <erm3nda> that's what i do ...
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• 604[04:11:19] <jmcnaught> erm3nda: you mean authorized_keys :)
• 605[04:11:22] <erm3nda> stephanie92, what's your current problem? error? log?
• 606[04:11:28] <erm3nda> jmcnaught, both
• 607[04:12:22] <jmcnaught> the remote's host key gets added to your local ~/.ssh/known_hosts, your SSH client key goes in the remote ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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• 609[04:12:41] <erm3nda> :-P
• 610[04:13:05] <stephanie92> pastebining -vvv - 1 sec
• 611[04:13:19] <Gryllida> Thanks! Good luck with it.
• 612[04:13:20] <erm3nda> biningggggg
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• 615[04:14:51] <stephanie92> sec
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• 618[04:16:02] <stephanie92> okay guys :) replaced-url
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• 622[04:17:00] <juul> stephanie92: what's the actual command you run to get that output?
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• 624[04:17:32] <stephanie92> ssh -vvv -p port user@ipaddr
• 625[04:17:48] <linux__> Hi , What is the difference between Debian/KfreeBSD and PC-BSD ?
• 626[04:18:11] <juul> stephanie92: so in the ssh-copy-id command you're specifying the key manually with the "-i" flag but when you run ssh you're not specifying the key with "-i" and it's not finding the key in any of the default locations
• 627[04:18:31] <stephanie92> O_o well that's odd considering the key is in ~/.ssh
• 628[04:18:43] <erm3nda> juul, dont' need to use -i anymore once ssh-copy-id is done
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• 631[04:19:13] <juul> stephanie92: what is the file path of your private key file?
• 632[04:19:20] <sim590> what if I want to install a package from another branch without breaking my whole system ?
• 633[04:19:22] <erm3nda> no such identity: /home/bane/.ssh/id_dsa
• 634[04:19:24] <stephanie92> ~/.ssh/
• 635[04:19:36] <erm3nda> create a default ssh key with defaults
• 636[04:19:39] <juul> stephanie92: no the actual file, not hthe directory
• 637[04:19:41] <moestevens> linux__: Off the top of my head, Debian/kFreeBSD is the FreeBSD kernel along with the GNU userland, while PC-BSD aims to have a "more user friendly FreeBSD".
• 638[04:19:42] <erm3nda> or specify -i acordingly
• 639[04:19:45] <jmcnaught> sim590: you can't. you can look for it in backports, or attempt to backport it yourself
• 640[04:19:55] <missmbob> sim590: /msg dpkg jessie-backports and /msg dpkg ssd
• 641[04:19:58] <stephanie92> it's literally in that directory xD
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• 643[04:20:02] <stephanie92> ~/.ssh/key.pub
• 644[04:20:02] <missmbob> sim590: ssb*
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• 646[04:20:23] <juul> stephanie92: it should be called e.g. ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub (if it's an rsa key)
• 647[04:20:25] <erm3nda> did u specified it with ssh-copy-id?
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• 650[04:20:35] <erm3nda> seems is triying to read so much stuff that is not in there
• 651[04:20:38] <jmcnaught> stephanie92: you can also specify IdentityFile in ~/.ssh/config
• 652[04:20:39] <stephanie92> i didn't need too, i was in the same directory xD
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• 655[04:21:05] <erm3nda> default key is id_dsa
• 656[04:21:07] <erm3nda> you made an rsa key
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• 658[04:21:14] <erm3nda> name don't match
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• 660[04:21:25] <dvs> so id_rsa?
• 661[04:21:33] <erm3nda> or specify the current one
• 662[04:21:33] <stephanie92> you can name the key whatever you want xD
• 663[04:21:38] <erm3nda> YES
• 664[04:21:38] <stephanie92> i've been using ssh keys for a long time
• 665[04:21:42] <erm3nda> u can name, but you're in problems now
• 666[04:21:49] <erm3nda> don't seems
• 667[04:22:01] <stephanie92> jmcnaught: ahhh yep you're right
• 668[04:22:08] <stephanie92> jmcnaught: I may need an identity file eh?
• 669[04:22:11] <erm3nda> using and understand differs so much :-)
• 670[04:22:17] <linux__> moestevens Can I install .deb packages easily on Debian/kFreeBSD ?
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• 674[04:22:57] <jmcnaught> stephanie92: my key is named 'jeremy' instead of id_rsa, i have an Host * \ IdentityFile ~/.ssh/jeremy entry in my ssh config
• 675[04:22:58] <juul> stephanie92: read lines 10 through 23 of your pastebin. it is not finding your ssh key because you don't have it in any of the default locations. It is not enough to place it in ~/.ssh/ It must also have the correct name.stephanie92: if the private key is not located in one of the default locations then you must specify its path with "-i <path_to_ssh_private_key>" every time.
• 676[04:23:05] <erm3nda> stephanie92, what jmcnaught said is that you can also specify it on the cofig file rather than command
• 677[04:23:26] <juul> oh yes or what jmcnaught said
• 678[04:23:32] <stephanie92> yes you guys are right
• 679[04:23:53] <stephanie92> it's looking in the default location, but doesn't know where to find it since i didn't tell it where to look (hence the identity file)
• 680[04:23:56] <stephanie92> completely forgot about that
• 681[04:24:05] <erm3nda> that is
• 682[04:24:07] <stephanie92> when you give you keys unique names, you must use an identity file
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• 684[04:24:09] <stephanie92> thank you jim
• 685[04:24:17] <stephanie92> thank you everyone <3
• 686[04:24:20] <moestevens> linux__: I'd believe it should, but obviously you should test it out yourself or do any research.
• 687[04:24:23] <erm3nda> u can use defaults or use any other you want, but u should specify it
• 688[04:25:27] <jmcnaught> linux__: the .deb packages will need to be compiled for kfreebsd. probably you're going to be restricted mostly to what's available in the Debian repos for that architecture
• 689[04:25:47] <stephanie92> jmcnaught: I called you jim ;3 - thank you jmc hehe
• 690[04:26:25] <jmcnaught> you can also of course use a bunch of different keys and set your ~/.ssh/config up to use the correct one per host
• 691[04:26:52] <stephanie92> jmcnaught: I wonder if there is a way to specify a port if you're using the same IP for multiple nodes (for NATing purposes)
• 692[04:27:19] <linux__> Ok , that means I can't install .deb on KFreeBSD by synaptic from debian repositories
• 693[04:27:28] <linux__> ?
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• 695[04:29:06] <tacocat> it depends on what you're installing in particular
• 696[04:29:19] <jmcnaught> stephanie92: yes, take a look at "man ssh_config" for everything you can do
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• 698[04:30:04] <jmcnaught> linux__: no, it means those are the only packages you'll be able to install. You won't be able to install .debs you download from random websites that are compiled for amd64
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• 705[04:31:50] <linux__> Ok , thanks
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• 713[04:35:34] <tom99> The naming scheme for packages on debian makes NO SENSE. What does `openssl1.0.1e-2+deb7u7` even mean?
• 714[04:35:50] <tacocat> 1.0.1e = upstream version
• 715[04:35:56] <tacocat> -2 = debian revision
• 716[04:36:05] <tacocat> +deb7u7 = 7th update for debian 7
• 717[04:36:06] <tom99> so e is just some random letter?
• 718[04:36:11] <tom99> i saw b1 and a in there too
• 719[04:36:13] <tom99> or alpha
• 720[04:36:31] <Devastator> no, and it comes from upstream version, not debian
• 721[04:36:32] <tom99> ah so *that*'s what the 7 means
• 722[04:36:52] <tacocat> tom99: replaced-url
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• 727[04:40:05] <sim590> so if I've added deb replaced-url
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• 730[04:40:52] <tacocat> perhaps.. some things are easier to backport than others
• 731[04:41:00] <tacocat> what package in particular?
• 732[04:41:10] <jmcnaught> sim590: you can check if something is in jessie-backports on replaced-url
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• 735[04:42:01] <missmbob> sim590: or /msg judd v package_name
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• 738[04:43:00] <tom99> tacocat: that's clever about using za,zb after you run out of letters
• 739[04:43:38] <sim590> jmcnaught: judd tells me my package is found on jessie-multimedia. Can I assume it's safe to use since "jessie" is contained in the name of the branch ?
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• 741[04:44:30] <jmcnaught> sim590: i don't recommend using the debian-multimedia repo if that's what jessie-multimedia refers to
• 742[04:44:39] <jmcnaught> sim590: what is this secret package?
• 743[04:45:37] <sim590> jmcnaught: mediatomb
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• 746[04:46:38] <jmcnaught> judd: checkbackport mediatomb
• 747[04:46:49] <judd> Backporting package mediatomb in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
• 748[04:46:56] <missmbob> sim590: same version in all debian versions as that crappy multimedia repo
• 749[04:47:04] <missmbob> so why?
• 750[04:47:33] <jmcnaught> it looks like mediatomb isn't in jessie (probably dropped because of an RC bug during jessie's freeze)
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• 752[04:49:17] <sim590> this is a dlna server which does video transcoding. That's what I need.
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• 755[04:49:53] <jmcnaught> sim590: minidlna and rygel are both in jessie
• 756[04:50:15] <jmcnaught> or try the ssb backport method
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• 759[04:50:51] <sim590> jmcnaught: minidlna doesn't do transcoding. I've tried readymedia-transcode which I took from the source on bitbucket but without success.
• 760[04:51:20] <duser> is there recommended software that is similar to pencil (pencil.evolus.vn)? and it doesn't need to be online (can be installed by apt-get, and be launched locally)
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• 762[04:52:05] <jmcnaught> sim590: rygel does transcoding i think, but it might be less work to backport mediatomb than to get rygel working without gnome.
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• 770[04:54:40] <jim> hi again... looking to get sound running, haven't heard anything come out yet, and I want to run alsa/pulse/jackd/cadence
• 771[04:54:52] <sim590> jmcnaught: so, backporting would be better than using debian-multimedia ?
• 772[04:55:00] <jmcnaught> duser: FYI it's easier to get people to visit a site if you use a proper URL. You could try qtcreator
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• 774[04:55:27] <jmcnaught> sim590: there have been problems in the past with debian-multimedia. it's not an official Debian repo.
• 775[04:55:49] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell sim590 about why not dmm
• 776[04:57:16] <sim590> Alright. So backporting a package is as simple as creating a package, right? Or is it even simpler?
• 777[04:57:21] <duser> jmcnaught: my bad. and thanks for the suggestion!
• 778[04:57:23] <jmcnaught> sim590: the downside to backporting it yourself is that you'll need to repeat the process for security updates (same caveat for installing from source though)
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• 781[04:58:05] <jim> here's output of lspci -nn | grep -i audio (one line): "00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio [8086:9d70] (rev 21)"
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• 784[04:58:41] <jmcnaught> sim590: it's pretty straight forward to follow dpkg's <ssb> instructions. Sometimes the build-deps are met, but not the dependencies which can lead to more backports.
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• 791[05:03:36] <jmcnaught> judd: pciid 8086:9d70
• 792[05:03:37] <judd> [8086:9d70] is 'Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 793[05:03:40] <_unreal> I think I may have just stumbled on what my or part of my issue is...
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• 795[05:04:01] <_unreal> I have a cubox arm based micro computer. it has an 800mhz arm, and 1gb ram..
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• 797[05:04:26] <jmcnaught> jim: what have you tried?
• 798[05:04:43] <_unreal> I just started up htop and noticed that the memory shown was the full ammount that is on the system. so I am assuming that no memory has been shared with the GPU
• 799[05:04:50] <_unreal> any idea's on how I could solve this?
• 800[05:04:55] <_unreal> running debian wheezy
• 801[05:05:16] <jim> nothing yet, snd_hda_intel is the next thing (just got done with apt-get install gnome some moments ago)
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• 804[05:06:28] <jmcnaught> jim: odds are it just works. if not, check the gnome sound preferences to make sure it's not using HDMI or something as default output.
• 805[05:07:03] <tom99> ah I bet the text 'deb8u1' and 'deb8u2' refers to security updates
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• 808[05:07:25] <tom99> since the first package in this page after the initial release of jessie have those suffixes
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• 810[05:08:18] <jmcnaught> tom99: 7.3 in this link: replaced-url
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• 812[05:08:54] <tom99> Are you saying if I read the documentation, my questions will get answers not in the documentation?
• 813[05:09:53] <jmcnaught> tom99: i'm strongly suggesting that you read more of the docs we've linked to, and do web searches before asking questions
• 814[05:10:30] <tom99> By the way I've read that section twice, still didn't know for sure what the 8u1, 7u7 syntax was
• 815[05:10:49] <tom99> it refers to version number and then "architecture" which is i386 or amd64, not debian 8.1
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• 819[05:14:53] <jmcnaught> tom99: 'deb8u1' would be part of the Debian revision number, which reflects that his package has been updated to fix a security flaw or bug
• 820[05:15:16] <tom99> oh so the + sign is just an arbitrary character that's allowed to be in there
• 821[05:15:25] <tom99> makes more sense, thanks
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• 827[05:22:19] <sim590> jmcnaught: just to make sure I understand. Backporting is simply the process of building the source ourselves with build-dep + -b source ?
• 828[05:23:32] <jmcnaught> sim590: that's the jist of it. A different method here: replaced-url
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• 854[05:54:05] <CtrlC> Hi, I need to have multiple extra IPs. I have some program running that I need it to work with one of the random IPs each time.
• 855[05:54:53] <CtrlC> Much like using multiple proxies. How should I go for doing that? Can you give me some keywords or anything for that?
• 856[05:59:02] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: please don't ask the same question in multiple channels at the same time. Maybe you want to use tor?
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• 860[06:00:06] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, No. I don't want to face stuff like flarecloud.
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• 863[06:01:04] <loki_> Wassup peeps!
• 864[06:01:08] <iamawesome> Hi, if i install latest kernel downloading from kernel.org then is it a problem?
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• 866[06:01:22] <tom99> loki, my brothah, nice to see you again
• 867[06:01:30] <loki_> Why not use debian repo to install a kernel?
• 868[06:01:35] <loki_> What up tom99
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• 870[06:01:53] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: request additional IP addresses from your ISP
• 871[06:02:03] <loki_> But I am not that loki, that nickname was taken, its loki_. I am new here.
• 872[06:02:05] <iamawesome> loki_: That is not latest kernel from repo.
• 873[06:02:06] <missmbob> iamawesome: read here how to do it in debian replaced-url
• 874[06:02:35] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, That's not the issue. I can buy more IPs. The thing is how to use them the way I want?
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• 878[06:03:32] <loki_> CtrlC: /etc/network/interfaces - set interface to static for IP from ISP if not behind firewall.
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• 881[06:04:03] <iamawesome> missmbob: What is squashfs-source ?
• 882[06:04:16] <loki_> Archive?
• 883[06:04:26] <loki_> I don't use squashfs lol
• 884[06:04:28] <missmbob> iamawesome: nothing you need to worry about
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• 886[06:04:50] <CtrlC> loki_, I want to use different ips for different programs. I'm not sure if that does that.
• 887[06:05:03] <missmbob> iamawesome: you need to read 4.6 which is what i linked you to
• 888[06:05:13] <tom99> loki: today I learned things about debian. like version numbers. Also also there's a manual thing
• 889[06:05:17] <loki_> have the program listen on that ip address. EG: apache would be 1.2.3.4:8080
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• 892[06:05:44] <iamawesome> missmbob: I want to compile kernel from source by hand. I don't want to use sqashfs
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• 894[06:06:01] <iamawesome> missmbob: aptitude search squashfs doesn't list anything.
• 895[06:06:18] <loki_> squashfs is a type of filesystem, not a program to install
• 896[06:06:25] <missmbob> iamawesome: sigh. really? squashfs was used as an example. dear lord
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• 898[06:06:32] <CtrlC> loki_, Thanks.
• 899[06:06:33] <missmbob> no one told you to actually do anything with squasfs
• 900[06:06:42] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, Thank you too.
• 901[06:07:06] <loki_> CtrlC: No worries bro!
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• 903[06:07:42] <missmbob> iamawesome: you're asking what's in 4.7 when i told you to read 4.6. see the problem?
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• 907[06:08:57] <iamawesome> missmbob: I want to do in this way: make menuconfig; make; make modules_install; make install
• 908[06:09:21] <missmbob> iamawesome: if you can't read a simple document or care to do it properly in debian i cant be made to care
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• 910[06:09:41] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: don't do that, it will spray files all over your sytem. You want the kernel to be in a package that you can remove when you install newer ones
• 911[06:11:08] <jmcnaught> missmbob: i think they just wanted to know if the make install method was a problem or not. i don't think they understood *why* to use the method from the kernel handbook
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• 948[06:36:39] <pragomer_1> how to use truecrypt as normal user under debian? I know the concept with sudo (under ubuntu for example).. adding a line in sudoers... but how under debian (thas doesnt use sudo) ??
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• 951[06:37:11] <jmcnaught> pragomer_1: you can install sudo
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• 953[06:38:25] <pragomer_1> mm.. is sudo an installable progam? sorry I am new to linux...
• 954[06:38:34] <pragomer_1> mm.. sudo IS installed.. so how to activate it?
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• 957[06:39:05] <jmcnaught> pragomer_1: if you want a user to be able to use sudo for all commands, add them to the sudo group: "adduser username sudo"
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• 961[06:40:12] <jmcnaught> pragomer_1: sudo can also be used to grant permission to run only specific commands
• 962[06:40:29] <pragomer_1> ok.. let me try... just have to log out
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• 974[06:47:55] <pragomer_1> jmcnaught: thank you very much.. it worked like a charm just using sudo :-) :-)
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• 978[06:50:49] <doublehp> in which debian package are the kerberos commands ? i am missing addpriv ktadd and more replaced-url
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• 986[06:57:38] <nkuttler> !fill addpriv
• 987[06:57:43] <nkuttler> !file addpriv
• 988[06:58:24] <nkuttler> doublehp: not in debian it seems
• 989[06:58:29] <doublehp> nkuttler: doies it means the tuto is deprecated ?
• 990[06:58:36] <nkuttler> probably
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• 997[07:01:18] <jmcnaught> ,file addpriv
• 998[07:01:22] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 1001[07:03:35] <lovelylira> Kyle speaks with Frank Raymond, author of the novel Sweet Dreams and Terror Cells. Frank is an Indian man living in Canada who has done an extensive study of the White mind and how it contrasts with non-Whites.
• 1002[07:03:38] <lovelylira> replaced-url
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• 1004[07:05:28] <jmcnaught> lovelylira: please take it elsewhere
• 1005[07:05:53] <Gryllida> lovelylira: off freenode preferably
• 1006[07:06:01] <Gryllida> lovelylira: consider snoonet, reddit, your own blog :)
• 1007[07:06:15] <jmcnaught> lovelylira: /dev/null
• 1008[07:06:33] <lovelylira> I already received two thank-you notes in private :)
• 1009[07:06:49] <lovelylira> Looks like I'm in the right place :)
• 1010[07:07:10] <jmcnaught> out of 1671 people there's bound to be a couple fools
• 1011[07:07:15] <Gryllida> don't want to talk about that and don't believe you, sorry
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• 1020[07:10:42] <jelly> jmcnaught, Gryllida: nexttime, if you see a white supremacy / holocaust denier, call the staff instead of engaging them
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• 1025[07:12:24] <Gryllida> jelly: thanks, I must say I didn't see their text, only url; hence having extra faith
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• 1030[07:15:38] <GJdan> petn-randall: Not sure if you remember or care, but my NODATA problem with apt-get update was because the building I was installing the server for had a firewall I wasn't told about that was blocking the repos for "freeware"
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• 1087[07:52:52] <Pistolero> Hello. I have a question regarding gnome-terminal. Is it possible to make sure that CTRL+K does not affect the clipboard? If I press CTRL+K it will put the removed text into the clipboard.
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• 1093[07:55:51] <vickycq> Hello,
• 1094[07:55:53] <vickycq> Why doesn't replaced-url
• 1095[07:55:56] <vickycq> Thanks!
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• 1112[08:05:20] <doublehp> some one can help me setting up kerberos for NFS ? 3h I am stuck
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• 1126[08:13:43] <ap4lmtree> hi
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• 1128[08:14:06] <ap4lmtree> how would i make it so a script runs after i loggin to my debian gui?
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• 1132[08:16:16] <doublehp> ap4lmtree: put it in bashrc if you use bash
• 1133[08:16:38] <doublehp> but it would start after each console login ... you then need a lock to prevent excessive launch
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• 1135[08:17:21] <ap4lmtree> i tried bashrc but it does it when i load a shell but not when i login to the gui
• 1136[08:17:43] <ap4lmtree> i am talking about when i first login to the machine
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• 1140[08:19:16] <doublehp> your question was unclear; login via GUI depends on logger ... so, even knowing your distro is not enough; you need to know what's your X logger
• 1141[08:19:32] <doublehp> in my case, I use xinitrc; but many systems don't use that
• 1142[08:20:23] <RoyK> xsessionrc for some
• 1143[08:20:25] <doublehp> ap4lmtree: also, real Desktop MAnagers can custom login actions; E17 can ; KDE and Gnome also can.
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• 1145[08:20:38] <doublehp> xsessionrc is often a symlink to xinitrc
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• 1148[08:21:03] <RoyK> doublehp: not on rasbian - I hunted that down
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• 1150[08:21:21] <doublehp> *often*
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• 1195[08:38:35] <ap4lmtree> doublehp, yes thank you very much there is a "lxsession configration" that lets me add programs to autostart, this is wonderful
• 1196[08:39:21] <ap4lmtree> this is wonderful, this is exactly what i wanted!!
• 1197[08:39:21] <ap4lmtree> =)
• 1198[08:39:30] <doublehp> Linux is wonderfull
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• 1206[08:44:28] <highgreatcity> hello, am i in
• 1207[08:45:11] <doublehp> highgreatcity: you are voiced
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• 1209[08:45:34] <highgreatcity> sorry to bother, and thank you doublehp
• 1210[08:45:57] <doublehp> highgreatcity: when you are not voiced, your IRC client should give you a warning
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• 1236[08:55:43] <and_rew> Hello All o7 Problem: When i'm using cinnamon i think it keeps crashing. It starts leaving trails of where the mouse has clicked and drug. for a while everything still works but eventually i lose control of the keyboard. Any thoughts?
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• 1240[08:57:20] <and_rew> Im not sure if I explained that very well lol
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• 1246[08:58:36] <highgreatcity> help
• 1247[08:59:41] <doublehp> highgreatcity: "!help" to call bots
• 1248[08:59:57] <highgreatcity> !help
• 1249[08:59:59] <doublehp> !tell highgreatcity about ask
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• 1293[09:13:41] <han-solo> there's a place called New Berlin in America? :)
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• 1299[09:16:26] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
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• 1303[09:17:10] <Agiofws> can anyone tell if this pci-e card works with debian stable? PCI-e to 6 channel Audio, Chipset CM8738- POWERTECH
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• 1307[09:17:40] <Agiofws> is there an online source expecially for sound cards for linux?
• 1308[09:17:46] <Agiofws> especially*
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• 1311[09:19:00] <SanchoPensa> i'd appreciate your help with the following very pesky phenomenon:
• 1312[09:19:00] <SanchoPensa> my pc is a lil ancient already, so i invested in a cpu upgrade, but it wouldn't boot, as it requires a bios upgrade.
• 1313[09:19:00] <SanchoPensa> now i reentered the original cpu and ever since, i get an error every single time certificates are involved. be it facebook, youtube, google, whatever, be it pidgin, icedove, chromium iceweasel, whatever. what is broken?
• 1314[09:19:25] <han-solo> check the time
• 1315[09:19:38] <SanchoPensa> han-solo: time is off indeed!
• 1316[09:19:47] <han-solo> yeah
• 1317[09:20:04] <Agiofws> SanchoPensa, linux?
• 1318[09:20:04] <SanchoPensa> han-solo: that was fast, you're da man! :D
• 1319[09:20:14] <han-solo> no problem
• 1320[09:20:17] <SanchoPensa> Agiofws: debian linux even! :)
• 1321[09:20:42] <Agiofws> can any help me with my above question?
• 1322[09:21:28] <Agiofws> can anyone here tell if PCI-e to 6 channel Audio, Chipset CM8738- POWERTECH is supported in linux ?
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• 1325[09:21:38] <Agiofws> does debians stable kernel supports it ?
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• 1345[09:30:31] <petn-randall> GJdan: Ah, interesting. I suspected something like that.
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• 1362[09:35:27] <rjsalts> doublehp: still having problems with kerberized nfs?
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• 1364[09:35:49] <doublehp> rjsalts: somehow ... yes - ATM, I gave up.
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• 1367[09:36:32] <doublehp> rjsalts: but if you feel like trying ...
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• 1369[09:38:30] <rjsalts> doublehp: where was it getting stuck? could you get a ticket with the service principal? you doing version 3? or version 4?
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• 1375[09:40:52] <doublehp> rjsalts: replaced-url
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• 1378[09:42:46] <doublehp> rjsalts: then I tried other tutos which end up in ... unable to reach any KDC in realm DOUBLEHP.ORG
• 1379[09:43:14] <doublehp> probably v4. Without KN, NFS works fine.
• 1380[09:43:22] <doublehp> without KB
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• 1386[09:49:42] <doublehp> rjsalts: addpriv ktadd are both commands not found
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• 1390[09:51:04] <Agiofws> usb or pci-e sound card what is more resource intensive
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• 1395[09:53:03] <Agiofws> is there a online resource for compatible sound cards for linux?
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• 1397[09:53:14] <rjsalts> doublehp: they're not at the command prompt, they in the kadmin -p adminuser/admin
• 1398[09:53:18] <doublehp> USB is always more ressource consuming
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• 1401[09:54:08] <doublehp> rjsalts: where to report the fact that tuto is not written respecting classic standards ?
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• 1406[09:54:56] <doublehp> rjsalts: what should be adminuser/admin be like ?
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• 1410[09:55:41] <rjsalts> doublehp: your admin principal when you set up your kerberos realm
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• 1412[09:56:43] <doublehp> i have not set anything
• 1413[09:57:00] <rjsalts> doublehp: you have a kerberos realm set up?
• 1414[09:57:11] <doublehp> because the tuto does not say how to do it
• 1415[09:57:14] <doublehp> no
• 1416[09:57:34] <doublehp> and, the tuto does not point to an other tuto saying how to do it
• 1417[09:57:54] <doublehp> (the NFS official tuto states, in the end "people who want Kerberos, click HERE"
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• 1420[09:58:27] <doublehp> so, i must start with replaced-url
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• 1423[09:59:26] <rjsalts> doublehp: that's kerberizing ldap.
• 1424[09:59:35] <OrbsTheorem> Hello, does anybody knows what is the name of the feature which makes hello+world@example.com emails go to hello@example.com?
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• 1426[10:00:24] <doublehp> rjsalts: replaced-url
• 1427[10:00:42] <doublehp> OrbsTheorem: alias ?
• 1428[10:00:53] <petemc> OrbsTheorem: thats an alias using plus address format
• 1429[10:01:01] <petemc> or sub address
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• 1433[10:01:28] <jelly> OrbsTheorem: recipient_delimiter in postfix
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• 1436[10:02:09] <OrbsTheorem> thank you :)
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• 1442[10:04:20] <rjsalts> doublehp: if freeipa was still in debian, I'd probably recommend that. It looks like there is nothing in the wiki. I found replaced-url
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• 1444[10:04:48] <rjsalts> doublehp: it says it's for lenny, but I don't think anything has changed in that respect
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• 1454[10:06:07] <rjsalts> doublehp: or if you have AD/samba4 they'll also act as a kerberos admin server
• 1455[10:06:19] <doublehp> rjsalts: I am not forced to use Kerberos; I just want anything to secure NFS against IP spoofing; but, for today, I don't have time to set VPN.
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• 1461[10:07:38] <ewew> Hi. Did someone had trouble restarting rsyslog via logrotate if rsyslog was run from systemd service file ?
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• 1464[10:08:34] <rjsalts> doublehp: you can set up tcp transport on nfs, that should help with ip spoofing to a large degree. I believe tcp is the default in nfsv4 anyhow
• 1465[10:09:09] <doublehp> ewew: works fine for me
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• 1468[10:10:10] <doublehp> rjsalts: can't see how TCP can prevent spoofing. I don't have samba.
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• 1471[10:10:57] <ewew> what exactly you have in /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog ?
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• 1473[10:12:31] <doublehp> ewew: replaced-url
• 1474[10:12:32] <rjsalts> doublehp: tcp means 3 way handshake. unless your adversary is able to prevent the legitimate host from communicating then they'll not be able to predict sequence numbers/prevent RST responses from that host
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• 1476[10:13:14] <rjsalts> doublehp: if your adversary is controlling hosts between nfs server and client then you need vpn/kerberos, because at that point MITM is trivial
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• 1478[10:13:27] <doublehp> rjsalts: my lan is switched; and in fact, the client is in virtualbox in the server; I am not worried about frame spying; I just want to fix this long known spoofing issue
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• 1481[10:14:17] <ewew> would it work if there is systemctl restart rsyslog ?
• 1482[10:14:48] <rjsalts> doublehp: spoofing tcp is pretty hard, if you're not in a privileged position on the network
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• 1487[10:15:30] <doublehp> rjsalts: any host spoofing the good IP can mount the server !!!
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• 1490[10:16:13] <rjsalts> doublehp: not quite
• 1491[10:16:34] <jelly> ewew: rsyslog isn't supposed to be restarted, just sent a signal to reopen log files
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• 1494[10:18:27] <rjsalts> doublehp: they still have to get the traffic to/from the nfs server. And if you're using tcp transport exclusively then this becomes even more challenging, because the legitimate client will interfere, and they will have to predict random sequence numbers
• 1495[10:18:45] <ewew> jelly just with kill command ?
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• 1501[10:19:53] <rjsalts> doublehp: if they're on your network and can request an ip on an allowed subnet then you'd need kerberos to authenticate the legitimate clients from the "guests"
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• 1506[10:21:37] <rjsalts> doublehp: or ipsec/802.1x/insert other access control mechanism of your choice
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• 1509[10:22:23] <doublehp> rjsalts: so we are back to kerberos
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• 1511[10:23:32] <jelly> ewew: or something similar
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• 1522[10:29:29] <doublehp> rjsalts: I had set my server the wrong way, about questions during aptitude install; can I fix this in the conf, or shall I re run dpkg-reconfigure ?
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• 1525[10:30:44] <paul_grozav> Hello, I have a question about gmtime and localtime, could anyone help?
• 1526[10:31:09] <rjsalts> doublehp: dpkg-reconfigure is probably easier if you've just installed the packages and answered the questions wrong
• 1527[10:31:12] <doublehp> !tell paul_grozav about ask
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• 1537[10:34:22] <paul_grozav> The question: I'm in Romania, so timezone = +2 and DST=+1, and I saw that gmtime(1) = 1970-01-01 00:00:01 and localtime(1) = 1970-01-01 02:00:01. So It meant to me that localtime sees the value 1 as UTC time, and converts it to local time by adding the timezone difference of 2 hours. Is that point of vew correct?
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• 1541[10:35:53] <doublehp> rjsalts: i can't find the package that asked me things ...
• 1542[10:35:58] <rjsalts> paul_grozav: yes
• 1543[10:36:06] <doublehp> rjsalts: it asked me about real server
• 1544[10:36:16] <rjsalts> doublehp: for the KDC?
• 1545[10:36:25] <doublehp> rjsalts: probably
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• 1548[10:37:12] <paul_grozav> so, if localtime sees the parameter as UTC time, and returns the localtime, then ... does it mean that gmtime sees the parameter as localtime, and converts it to UTC time?
• 1549[10:37:18] <rjsalts> doublehp: most likely be krb5-user
• 1550[10:37:39] <doublehp> rjsalts: dpkg-reconfigure krb5-user does not reask nything
• 1551[10:38:47] <paul_grozav> I'm trying to put together a diagram that explains how to convert between the two representations (UTC/local). And I was hoping that gmtime takes me from UTC -> Local ... and localtime takes me from Local -> UTC ... but it doesn't seem to work that way
• 1552[10:40:24] <doublehp> rjsalts: what should the password be ? new one ? same as root ?
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• 1555[10:42:20] <doublehp> rjsalts: dpkg-reconfigure krb5-config - is the one; what should i answer there ?
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• 1558[10:43:39] <rjsalts> doublehp: depends, it will be used for enrolling new users/hosts/services across your network. If you'd be happy with a shared root password across some/many of your hosts then you could probably use the same password for convenience
• 1559[10:44:35] <doublehp> I can set a new password ... just don't know what it's asking me; if it will create a new thing, or if it needs existing password to handle stuff
• 1560[10:45:03] <rjsalts> doublehp: no, kerberos admin password is distinct password
• 1561[10:45:04] <dcpc007> replaced-url
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• 1563[10:45:26] <dcpc007> a very good french doc for starting linux (debian) users, and more advanced after
• 1564[10:45:40] <doublehp> rjsalts: Enter the hostnames of Kerberos servers in the DOUBLEHP.ORG Kerberos realm separated by spaces. ???
• 1565[10:45:41] <rjsalts> doublehp: so it's creating a new thing
• 1566[10:45:46] <dcpc007> i think worth you look and share
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• 1568[10:46:26] * doublehp hates french
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• 1570[10:46:40] <rjsalts> doublehp: this is setting up your kerberos client credentials. You want the FQDN of the server where you install krb5-admin-server
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• 1572[10:46:47] <doublehp> dcpc007: This web page is not available.
• 1573[10:47:01] <doublehp> rjsalts: I am on the server for now ...
• 1574[10:47:10] <drzacek> Hello
• 1575[10:47:11] <dcpc007> doublehp: i'm on it
• 1576[10:47:40] <drzacek> I'm running debian with LXDE desktop and installed tightvncserver - how can I make it start @ boot?
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• 1582[10:48:36] <doublehp> rjsalts: Enter the hostname of the administrative (password changing) server for the DOUBLEHP.ORG Kerberos realm. - same machine ?
• 1583[10:48:45] <rjsalts> doublehp: yeah
• 1584[10:48:49] <grondilu> I keep receiving mail telling me about an exim paniclog. Not sure I should worry or not.
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• 1586[10:49:40] <rjsalts> grondilu: read what's in the paniclog, it won't automatically go away though. If you've read and dealt with the issue then logrotate -f /var/log/exim4/paniclog or what have you
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• 1588[10:51:13] <doublehp> rjsalts: ""dpkg-reconfigure krb5-config"" does not ask me the same questions on client; asks me only for domain name, not for REALM
• 1589[10:51:16] <rjsalts> grondilu: sometimes it's a transient error, e.g. if you had spam or antivirus scanning and the daemon was down
• 1590[10:52:28] <doublehp> grondilu: at some point, I had to spend 2h in google, for an exim error, and ended up in having to manually delete some cache files in /var ...
• 1591[10:52:53] <grondilu> only one entry that dates to September 9th. Removing it.
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• 1594[10:54:20] <rjsalts> doublehp: So what was asking for the realm before, if not krb5-config?
• 1595[10:55:18] <doublehp> rjsalts: previously i was on server; now, same command on client, does not ask me the same questions; i am surprised the client does not ask me where the server is !!!
• 1596[10:56:42] <doublehp> rjsalts: conf seems fine, lets step forward
• 1597[10:57:46] <rjsalts> doublehp: it should, unless you have srv records defined for _kerberos._udp.domain, etc.
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• 1599[10:57:56] <doublehp> i don't
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• 1603[10:59:31] <ewew> jelly the kill -1 kills rsyslog. looks like it would need a systemctl start rsyslog
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• 1605[11:00:11] <doublehp> rjsalts: replaced-url
• 1606[11:01:25] <rjsalts> doublehp: I'm not responsible for it. It's just something I found
• 1607[11:01:33] <rjsalts> doublehp: that was very good
• 1608[11:01:46] <doublehp> it has the same initials as your nick ...
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• 1612[11:05:19] <jelly> ewew: I don't know what signal 1 is, SIGHUP however is used for rotation in /etc/init.d/rsyslog
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• 1626[11:11:38] <doublehp> rjsalts: kadmin.local: Unknown request "addpriv".
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• 1634[11:22:40] <ewew> jelly techically it is equivalent to systemctl restart ?
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• 1638[11:25:00] <Renku> hi :)
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• 1640[11:25:09] <jelly> ewew: I don't think it is.
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• 1644[11:28:07] <Renku> i have a strange issue with a xen wheezy install: i can't do accent in my ssh session but when i run the locale command, it says i'm in fr_FR.UTF-8... oth, php has the default conf (with utf-8) but when i ask its internal encoding, it says "iso-8859-1". i don't understand ^^'
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• 1648[11:28:50] <Renku> i have the impression it's only happening to xen server
• 1649[11:29:10] <doublehp> Renku: your user has a different local from system
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• 1651[11:30:01] <doublehp> rjsalts: i am stuck on addprinc ::: add_policy: Operation requires ``add'' privilege while creating policy "add".
• 1652[11:30:47] <Renku> where can i see the user locale?
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• 1654[11:31:42] <cupof> are you using linux
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• 1658[11:35:42] <Renku> doublehp: i don't think it's the user locale, i already ran locale and all values are to fr_FR.UTF-8 :/
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• 1671[11:40:41] <Iridos> Renku, if you can't type accented letters that is more a thing of key bindings and how those may or may not translate via ssh. if you cannot display unicode letters, that's the locale
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• 1681[11:43:08] <Renku> i can read accented letters without problem, but if i have let's say a text like "je suis enchanté de faire ta connaissance", i copy it and i paste it, the accented e will be gone and worse, it will trigger some strange things that i don't understand
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• 1684[11:43:52] <Renku> like it will swap some characters or it will do some sort of strange autocomplete with all the words of (don'tknow, program maybe) beginning with the word preceding the accented char
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• 1701[11:48:24] <rjsalts> doublehp: You created the /etc/krb5kdc/kadm5.acl on the KDC?
• 1702[11:48:37] <MaBunny> , judd alsa
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• 1705[11:48:50] <doublehp> rjsalts: I think I did it ... after updating acl file, i had to restart the service ...
• 1706[11:48:50] <MaBunny> , alsa
• 1707[11:48:55] <Iridos> you should see if you can type accents if you're on the machine locally
• 1708[11:49:04] <bazhang> MaBunny, what did you want
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• 1711[11:49:22] <rjsalts> doublehp: so it let you add the principals after that?
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• 1713[11:49:31] <doublehp> yes ...
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• 1721[11:50:48] <rjsalts> doublehp: and you're able to set up a keyfile with your nfs service principle and get a ticket with it?
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• 1731[11:53:49] <doublehp> rjsalts: what's a ticket ?
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• 1735[11:54:18] <MaBunny> guys anyone can tell me how to use judd?
• 1736[11:54:35] <bazhang> MaBunny, what did you want to know
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• 1738[11:54:57] <MaBunny> bazhang i need to get the alsa libs compiled with my app
• 1739[11:55:13] <bazhang> what app MaBunny and why
• 1740[11:55:25] <MaBunny> or include the headers in my program
• 1741[11:55:34] <MaBunny> bazhang some SDL app
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• 1744[11:55:40] <bazhang> same question as above
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• 1747[11:56:10] <MaBunny> well,its giving me this error: "undefined reference to symbol 'snd_pcm_hw_params_any@@ALSA_0.9' "
• 1748[11:57:08] <MaBunny> i told this in #SDL too they said to link the alsa libs to my app
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• 1750[11:57:35] <rjsalts> doublehp: kerberos is an authentication mechanism which works by a central server, your kdc granting a ticket granting ticket to an entity
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• 1757[11:58:27] <doublehp> rjsalts: client01 can auth; client02 gets rejected after "kadmin -p admin" with same command and password
• 1758[11:58:34] <rjsalts> doublehp: they can then use that ticket to request service from any service that has been kerberized
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• 1763[11:59:56] <rjsalts> doublehp: like I said before, kerberos relies heavily on dns and time. you need to make sure that each host is able to get both forward and reverse dns responses for their fqdn
• 1764[12:00:11] <MaBunny> bazhang any help?
• 1765[12:00:25] <rjsalts> doublehp: and if the clocks are more than 5 minutes out of sync then you'll also have problems
• 1766[12:00:53] <doublehp> rjsalts: clocks are fine; DNS are not; the client which works has even worst DNS than the one that does not
• 1767[12:01:14] <bazhang> MaBunny, whats an sdl app
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• 1769[12:01:44] <rjsalts> doublehp: the client01 is on the kdc? or the kdc has client01 in /etc/hosts?
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• 1771[12:01:58] <MaBunny> bazhang its just a game framework im making just tell me how to get it compiled,or just tell me how to use judd
• 1772[12:01:59] <doublehp> KDC ?
• 1773[12:02:10] <atralheaven> Hi, I want to mirror a repo (replaced-url
• 1774[12:02:13] <doublehp> rjsalts: all hosts contain all hosts in /etc/hosts
• 1775[12:02:17] <rjsalts> doublehp: the server where you set up krb5-admin-server
• 1776[12:02:21] <bazhang> how to use judd MaBunny ?
• 1777[12:02:31] <MaBunny> yes
• 1778[12:03:06] <bazhang> whats the exact package name MaBunny
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• 1781[12:03:11] <doublehp> rjsalts: but, all hosts have several IPs, and I don't know which one is used to make the request
• 1782[12:03:31] <MaBunny> i want to kno tht too bazhang :/
• 1783[12:03:44] <doublehp> rjsalts: i don't even know if they use v4 or v6
• 1784[12:03:50] <bazhang> MaBunny, I need that to help you
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• 1786[12:04:10] <MaBunny> which package name bazhang,sdl?
• 1787[12:04:12] <rjsalts> doublehp: ah, fun. useful tip for you then, KRB5_TRACE=/dev/stdout kadmin -p admin
• 1788[12:04:25] <bazhang> MaBunny, you tell me
• 1789[12:04:26] <MaBunny> libsdl2-dev,libsdl2
• 1790[12:04:48] <rjsalts> doublehp: if you want any insight into what kerberos tools are doing
• 1791[12:05:24] <doublehp> rjsalts: did not add any debug stuff
• 1792[12:05:45] <rjsalts> hrm, maybe it only works with kinit
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• 1796[12:06:12] <doublehp> rjsalts: it does on recent version; fails on old ; maybe I will put KB only for recent clients, and give up the old machines
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• 1798[12:06:49] <MaBunny> bazhang is it libasound2-dev?
• 1799[12:07:42] <bazhang> no idea what you need MaBunny
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• 1803[12:09:17] <rjsalts> doublehp: okay, not sure what version that environment variable was added
• 1804[12:09:49] <Iridos> dpkg, tell MaBunny about real question
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• 1806[12:09:52] <rjsalts> doublehp: or could be your shell not understanding /dev/stdout. could try KRB5_TRACE=/path/to/file instead
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• 1812[12:11:35] <MaBunny> well,i hav this SDL game framework which i hav been building and when im compiling it im getting lots of errors like tht error which i posted b4
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• 1815[12:12:06] <bazhang> bf4?
• 1816[12:12:16] <MaBunny> so i linked the alsa libs to my codeblocks toolchain and now it works,but now its giving me an error for glibc
• 1817[12:12:25] <MaBunny> before bazhang
• 1818[12:12:28] <bazhang> thats not an oss game is it?
• 1819[12:12:30] <MaBunny> *
• 1820[12:12:40] <doublehp> rjsalts: now, comes the most funny part: 6h for nothing, because mount.nfs4 does not like KB: an incorrect mount option was specified (or the tuto really sux)
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• 1822[12:12:48] <MaBunny> bazhang whats not a oss game?
• 1823[12:12:58] <bazhang> bf4
• 1824[12:13:12] <MaBunny> no i meant before*
• 1825[12:13:37] <bazhang> MaBunny, did you install a newer glibc or something
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• 1827[12:14:02] <MaBunny> no bazhang,except for maybe the updates i hav all the base debian jessie
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• 1830[12:14:49] <MaBunny> maybe its just the codeblocks thts messing up
• 1831[12:14:53] <hnlin> How do I force debian by editing a config file to boot into text mode instead of X11. Since this install has been specifically tailored to a armhf low memory environment, I cannot switch to another VT oe set any grub boot options.
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• 1833[12:15:17] <Subfusc> hnlin: if it is systemd, you change the init target
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• 1835[12:16:29] <hnlin> Subfusc, I'm running Jessie, so I guess I'm using systemd. in what file can I change the init target?
• 1836[12:16:58] <hnlin> Thanks in advance.
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• 1839[12:17:28] <hnlin> I'm not using Grub
• 1840[12:17:38] <Subfusc> hnlin: you use systemctl set-default <target>
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• 1842[12:18:01] <Subfusc> you can list all the targets you have available using systemctl list-units --type=target
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• 1848[12:18:39] <malade_mental> Hi, I saw that there is a problem with gpg decryption when having the pinentry-gnome3 program installed. It was installed by default when I installed the owncloud-client package, then UNIX's pass stopped working with this error : gpg: decryption failed: No secret key
• 1849[12:18:48] <hnlin> Subfusc, I cannot get a terminal environment atm, I can only edit files from within another Lnux install.
• 1850[12:18:49] <doublehp> rjsalts: mount.nfs4: an incorrect mount option was specified ... definitly ...
• 1851[12:19:14] <malade_mental> I managed to find that the problem came from pinentry-gnome3, so what you think about this? I run debian stretch, with openmailbox as a WM
• 1852[12:19:16] <Subfusc> hnlin: hmm, Thats unfortunate. The manual way of doing that would be to change a symlink
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• 1858[12:20:43] <rjsalts> doublehp: man nfs and look at the SECURITY CONSIDERATIONS section, sec=krb5 or sec=krb5i/krb5p should be valid mount options
• 1859[12:21:19] <Subfusc> hnlin: you can always mangle the target file that is currently used, but I highly recommend against that if any other option is available
• 1860[12:21:24] <doublehp> rjsalts: should; arn't
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• 1863[12:22:04] <Subfusc> hnlin: oh, you can change the kernel boot line to a target as well. Is that available to you?
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• 1865[12:22:54] <hnlin> Subfusc, I use MLO as bootmanager, which doesn't offer any such options. (Yes, I know, it's extremely basic).
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• 1873[12:23:32] <hnlin> Subfusc, the machine is a small ARMhf machine having only 512MB of RAM
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• 1875[12:23:44] <hnlin> Subfusc, it is the 1GHz OPenPandora.
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• 1882[12:25:32] <Iridos> MaBunny, did you google for snd_pcm_hw_params_any? You'd get to replaced-url
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• 1885[12:26:08] <Subfusc> hnlin: the boot is controlled by /lib/systemd/system/default.target. But as I eksplained before, that is usually a symlink controlled by systemctl. right now it is probably set to graphical.target. You can mangle it, but then you mangle the graphical boot.
• 1886[12:26:44] <jelly> hnlin: can you boot the system in any way? If you don't need X, just uninstall those packages
• 1887[12:26:48] <Subfusc> if you only have a text editor and no other way, then you will just have to try your luck I guess
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• 1889[12:27:02] <hnlin> Subfusc, no problem, as long as I can unmangle the links afterwards.
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• 1894[12:27:45] <hnlin> jelly, thanks for the suggestion. While I can boot the system, it doesn't offer any external terminals yet. sshd is not setup yet, for instance,
• 1895[12:28:01] <jelly> and you don't have a serial console?
• 1896[12:28:05] <MaBunny> Iridos i hav already solved my problem with alsa now im getting another one with glibc :(
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• 1900[12:28:35] <Subfusc> hnlin: then just make it look like multi-user.target
• 1901[12:28:38] <hnlin> jelly, I can setup a serial console, but I have no way in the bootmanager to activate it.
• 1902[12:29:06] <Subfusc> (they are all in the same folder)
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• 1918[12:35:08] <hnlin> Subfusc, in that case, I'll make a copy of the original symlink so that I can easily restore it afterwards. Thank you so much for your help :-D
• 1919[12:35:24] <doublehp> rjsalts: after rebooting client, error changes ... rebooting server now
• 1920[12:36:10] <rjsalts> doublehp: I think the incorrect mount option was specified seems to be a bad catch all error for mount
• 1921[12:36:14] <jelly> hnlin: one would expect it be enabled by default on an embedded arm thing, but who knows
• 1922[12:36:52] <jelly> hnlin: how did you install debian in the first place?
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• 1924[12:36:57] <doublehp> rjsalts: after rebooting client, error changes ... rebooting server now ...
• 1925[12:37:25] <doublehp> rjsalts: no; I had a different error: ccess denied by server while mounting
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• 1929[12:38:32] <rjsalts> doublehp: okay, you can debug that with showmount, etc.
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• 1937[12:40:33] <hnlin> jelly, it is a heavily modified version of Debian, dubbed Pandian, that includes hardware drivers and keybindings specific for the device. I installed it by flashing an SD-card with that image and letting it boot up. After a interrupted apt-get upgrade midways (power failure) The system booted to a black screen with a responding mouse cursor, but no VT's or desktop environment available.
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• 1939[12:41:30] <doublehp> rjsalts: rebooting server again .. will kill my ADSL again ...
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• 1944[12:44:36] <jelly> hnlin: then I'm afraid you'll have to ask the Pandian people how to deal with it. The stupid solution is to backup, reinstall from scratch and put the data back
• 1945[12:44:58] <doublehp> rjsalts: where are the logs ?
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• 1948[12:45:27] <cupof> rsync to nas
• 1949[12:46:22] <rjsalts> doublehp: they'll be in syslog, but not necessarily very helpful at the default debug levels
• 1950[12:46:32] <doublehp> rjsalts: /var/log/auth.log
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• 1952[12:46:51] <rjsalts> doublehp: I would think kernel or daemon
• 1953[12:47:03] <rjsalts> doublehp: not sure on that though
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• 1956[12:48:13] <doublehp> rjsalts: "LOOKING_UP_SERVER: authtime 0, nfs/leon-03@DOUBLEHP.ORG for nfs/<IP>@DOUBLEHP.ORG, Server not found in Kerberos database"
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• 1959[12:49:29] <hnlin> jelly, the info about the systemd targets should suffice to fix this. If not, I can always reinstall. The system did not have any personal data on it anyway. Thanks again. I'll manage :-)
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• 1961[12:49:37] <rjsalts> doublehp: that's weird, it should be nfs/hostname
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• 1963[12:49:55] <doublehp> unless hostname gone wrong due to DNS ...
• 1964[12:50:12] <rjsalts> doublehp: shouldn't matter, it's from /etc/hostname
• 1965[12:50:44] <doublehp> so ?
• 1966[12:51:17] <rjsalts> doublehp: is leon-03 your nfs-server or client?
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• 1970[12:52:15] <doublehp> client
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• 1973[12:52:39] <rjsalts> doublehp: and getent hosts ip gives you what?
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• 1975[12:53:04] <rjsalts> doublehp: from leon-03
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• 1977[12:53:40] <doublehp> rjsalts: nothing
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• 1982[12:54:24] <rjsalts> doublehp: if you put ip fqdn.of.server in /etc/hosts does this fix it?
• 1983[12:54:43] <doublehp> i think it will ... after trying a few things, I mostly think it will
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• 1985[12:55:01] <doublehp> getent works only for IP in hosts; I said I did not record all IPs
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• 1990[12:56:21] <hnlin> jelly, I've tried your suggestion and I've got a terminal. I'm back in (so happy :-) )
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• 1995[12:57:49] <hnlin> Subfusc, thanks again to you too :-)
• 1996[12:57:51] <doublehp> rjsalts: after editing /etc/hosts should I Restart some service ?
• 1997[12:58:10] <rjsalts> doublehp: maybe nfs-common
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• 2001[12:59:12] <doublehp> rjsalts: did not help
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• 2003[13:00:05] <rjsalts> doublehp: getent hosts ip works now? but nfs still no joy?
• 2004[13:00:09] <doublehp> y
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• 2006[13:00:25] <rjsalts> same nfs/ip@...?
• 2007[13:01:22] <doublehp> rjsalts: this is strange to me: IPCLIENT: LOOKING_UP_SERVER: authtime 0, nfs/CLIENTHOSTNAME@DOUBLEHP.ORG for nfs/IPSERVER@DOUBLEHP.ORG, Server not found in Kerberos database
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• 2011[13:03:58] <rjsalts> doublehp: so it's an ip address or hostname for the server? and you set up the principle for that hostname?
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• 2013[13:05:04] <doublehp> rjsalts: mount -t nfs4 -o sec=krb5 [SERVERIP]:/mnt/foo /mnt/bar
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• 2018[13:06:09] <doublehp> rjsalts: replaced-url
• 2019[13:06:37] <doublehp> rjsalts: told you it's so confusing ...
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• 2021[13:07:36] <rjsalts> doublehp: kerberos is confusing
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• 2030[13:11:05] <doublehp> rjsalts: << "Server not found in Kerberos database" in auth.log indicate that the key names of client or server and the respective hostnames do not match.>>
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• 2032[13:12:24] <rjsalts> doublehp: yeah, it's finnicky about dns and time
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• 2035[13:13:08] <rjsalts> doublehp: and it requires hostnames and not ip addresses
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• 2037[13:14:17] <doublehp> should I put FQDN in hosts ?
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• 2039[13:15:24] <rjsalts> yes
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• 2041[13:15:48] <rjsalts> and shortname
• 2042[13:16:15] <doublehp> if only tutos gave what the hosts file should look like; with v6, you have to have several lines per machine; no clue which one is wrong
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• 2044[13:17:02] <rjsalts> getent hosts is still your friend with ipv6
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• 2046[13:17:54] <doublehp> not better
• 2047[13:18:20] <doublehp> i m puzzled it tries toa ssociate client name with server IP ...
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• 2052[13:21:26] <doublehp> rjsalts: why does the client presents it's short name, and not it's FQDN ?
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• 2055[13:23:41] <rjsalts> what does hostname -f say?
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• 2058[13:23:56] <doublehp> FQDN
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• 2061[13:24:31] <rjsalts> hrm, I don't remember
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• 2066[13:26:46] <italo> hello
• 2067[13:28:00] <doublehp> rjsalts: after creating more addprinc with FQDN, client presents itself with FQDN; but still does not work
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• 2089[13:38:38] <rjsalts> doublehp: can you do kinit -k nfs/hostname from both client and server?
• 2090[13:38:38] <MaBunny> i got the program to run now
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• 2093[13:39:11] <doublehp> rjsalts: hostname for client or server ?
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• 2097[13:41:52] <doublehp> rjsalts: now got "Client not found in Kerberos database"
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• 2100[13:45:43] <rjsalts> doublehp: both
• 2101[13:45:50] <doublehp> got it ...
• 2102[13:45:58] <doublehp> keys for server missing on server ...
• 2103[13:46:02] <rjsalts> doublehp: so I may have been wrong on the principals being FQDN
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• 2106[13:46:27] <doublehp> was counter intuitive to me; but, the NFS Server needs to create key for himself to the KCD server ...
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• 2108[13:46:46] <doublehp> kinit was the key to raise this issue
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• 2121[13:53:53] <pietdv> Heyho, I'm trying to file a bug for the first time. It is a bug in a graphics driver. No video after waking from sleep on a thinkpad T440s. What steps should I take?
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• 2125[13:55:45] <doublehp> rjsalts: each time I do ktadd on one host, it makes kinit fail on the other one
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• 2130[13:58:48] <doublehp> rjsalts: kinit is always successfull on the host that last did ktadd ; and fails otherwise
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• 2137[14:02:16] <rjsalts> doublehp: you're doing ktadd with the unique hostname for each right?
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• 2139[14:02:59] <doublehp> i don't know
• 2140[14:03:12] <doublehp> my keytabs must have plenty useless lines
• 2141[14:03:17] <doublehp> i am lost
• 2142[14:03:45] <doublehp> client querries NFS server by FQDN, but KB sees request by short name
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• 2144[14:04:14] <doublehp> Request ticket server nfs/NFSSERVER@DOUBLEHP.ORG kvno 2 not found in keytab; ticket is likely out of date
• 2145[14:05:23] <karvas> hello, I am recovering my system via chroot console. when I do update-initramfs -u, it gives me a warning about a invalid line in /etc/crypttab - but this file is empty
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• 2148[14:06:20] <karvas> can I ignore this, or do I need a valid line in my crypttab? I have a system installed using the option "use full disc with encrypted lvm"
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• 2152[14:06:50] <doublehp> rjsalts: i just don't know anymore
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• 2159[14:10:51] <rjsalts> doublehp: kdestroy, delete your keytabs redo the kadmin -p admin -> addpriv -randkey nfs/hostname@REALM, etc
• 2160[14:11:04] <rjsalts> doublehp: standardize on the shortname I believe that's correct
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• 2162[14:11:28] <rjsalts> according to getent hosts $(hostname) | awk '{print $1; exit}' | xargs getent hosts | awk '{print $2}'
• 2163[14:11:39] <doublehp> kdestroy from where ?
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• 2165[14:12:10] <doublehp> on client, the command gives localhost
• 2166[14:12:13] <rjsalts> anywhere where klist include nfs/hostname@REALM
• 2167[14:12:32] <rjsalts> well, you should fix that
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• 2174[14:15:54] <doublehp> rjsalts: should it give the short name of FQDN ?
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• 2185[14:19:58] <CQ> hello, I have youtube videos in FF Playing at approx. double speed, any ideas what to do to fix it? All the stuff I've googled hasn't helped so far...
• 2186[14:20:41] <Johann> CQ: i've had the problem when using the wrong hdmi options in pulseaudio
• 2187[14:20:45] <rjsalts> doublehp: yes
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• 2189[14:21:02] <relaxed> CQ: you can change the speed through the youtube player
• 2190[14:21:07] <Johann> i don't know what caused it, but try opening pavucontrol and check in configuration
• 2191[14:21:25] <Johann> and yeah, i assume you didn't switch the speed in youtube player :p
• 2192[14:22:00] <CQ> Johann: I've used an FF Plugin to slow it down to half speed ;) ...but then it's still not 1.0 spoeed, and no sound
• 2193[14:22:28] <colo-work> problem: dpkg: error processing package libidn11:amd64 (--remove):
• 2194[14:22:28] <colo-work> package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should
• 2195[14:22:28] <colo-work> reinstall it before attempting a removal
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• 2197[14:22:40] <colo-work> however, reinstall won't work. how can I find out what makes dpkg unhappy?
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• 2199[14:22:45] <colo-work> (maybe apart from stracing)
• 2200[14:23:02] <CQ> Johann: I don't see any options there
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• 2202[14:23:17] <Johann> in pavucontrol in configuration, theres multiple hdmi output choice, for me the HDMI 5.1 output would make the video play at a weird speed and i wouldn't have sound, i had to use the stereo hdmi output instead
• 2203[14:23:26] <Johann> thats what caused the issue for me
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• 2205[14:23:44] <Johann> like i said i don't really know the root cause so it might be a completly different problem for you
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• 2207[14:24:03] <karvas> please ignore what I wrote before. My problem is "unable to find lvm volume" on boot -> i thought the problem might be missing dm-crypt in initramfs, but i fixed this now and still get the same error. Any advice? (I might have an empty crypttab - but not sure if this is normal/ok)
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• 2217[14:30:56] <doublehp> rjsalts: purgekeys -all => purgekeys: Principal does not exist while purging keys for principal "-all@DOUBLEHP.ORG"
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• 2229[14:34:40] <rjsalts> doublehp: you need purgekeys -all principal
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• 2231[14:35:01] <doublehp> purgekeys: Principal does not exist while purging keys for principal "principal@DOUBLEHP.ORG"
• 2232[14:35:55] <rjsalts> doublehp: e.g. purgekeys -all nfs/foo.doublehp.org
• 2233[14:35:59] <colo-work> can I somehow get Jessie to fsck the / filesystem (ext4) from its initrd?
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• 2240[14:38:38] <doublehp> rjsalts: kadmin: Generic error (see e-text) while initializing kadmin interface
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• 2261[14:46:53] <rjsalts> doublehp: kadmin.local on your kdc, maybe?
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• 2264[14:47:42] <doublehp> rjsalts: krb5_newrealm fails . stalling on "Loading random data"
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• 2269[14:48:58] <Flashtek> doublehp: perhaps it has lots of randomness, much like my workplace...
• 2270[14:49:28] <rjsalts> doublehp: not sure
• 2271[14:50:02] <doublehp> rjsalts: kadmin.local: Cannot find master key record in database while initializing kadmin.local interface
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• 2273[14:50:19] <rjsalts> doublehp: did you delete the admin principal?
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• 2275[14:50:25] <doublehp> at some point, yes
• 2276[14:50:45] <rjsalts> doublehp: you'll need to dpkg-reconfigure krb5-admin-server
• 2277[14:50:58] <doublehp> did not help
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• 2281[14:52:21] <doublehp> kadmin.local: Cannot find master key record in database while initializing kadmin.local interface
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• 2286[14:54:17] <rjsalts> doublehp: okay, krb5_newrealm stuff then?
• 2287[14:56:13] <doublehp> rjsalts: replaced-url
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• 2291[14:58:01] <doublehp> rjsalts: after 2mn : replaced-url
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• 2296[15:00:05] <rjsalts> doublehp: kadmin -p admin, not nfs. you might need to delete the existing kerberos database
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• 2298[15:00:41] <doublehp> rjsalts: I will give up very soon !!! replaced-url
• 2299[15:01:04] <doublehp> unless some daemon is running
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• 2302[15:02:06] <doublehp> nope
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• 2304[15:02:32] <doublehp> even after stopping daemons, keeps complaining File exists while creating database ... while I remove the file just before running it
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• 2310[15:03:56] <speciality> Do you know anyone that would provide Debian training?
• 2311[15:04:00] <speciality> or Linux training wrapped around Debian?
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• 2314[15:06:05] <rjsalts> doublehp: kdb5_util destroy -f
• 2315[15:06:30] <doublehp> kdb5_util: No such entry in the database while retrieving master entry
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• 2317[15:08:19] <bzed> speciality: where?
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• 2319[15:09:23] <rjsalts> doublehp: is there anything else under /var/lib/krb5kdc/...
• 2320[15:09:24] <speciality> bzed, Online?
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• 2325[15:09:59] <bzed> speciality: replaced-url
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• 2327[15:10:13] <doublehp> rjsalts: replaced-url
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• 2335[15:12:05] <rjsalts> doublehp: We're just trying to get rid of the whole existing database, since it no longer has an admin principal
• 2336[15:12:40] <doublehp> rjsalts: i will reboot; internet will be down for 3mn. wait
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• 2338[15:16:01] <doublehp> rjsalts: back
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• 2340[15:16:45] <doublehp> rjsalts: same
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• 2348[15:21:00] <doublehp> rjsalts: rm /var/lib/krb5kdc/principal* -- helped a lot
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• 2367[15:27:54] <annoymouse4210> hello replaced-url
• 2368[15:28:21] <annoymouse4210> I'm not sure it is down to only me or others
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• 2372[15:29:17] <themill> annoymouse4210: deb.debian.org will be a more reliable option
• 2373[15:30:06] <annoymouse4210> that is also says (replaced-url
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• 2376[15:32:07] <themill> annoymouse4210: directories have a / at the end
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• 2378[15:32:21] <annoymouse4210> oh very thanks
• 2379[15:33:27] <babilen> Hmm .. Doesn't python-apt write that without the trailing / ?
• 2380[15:33:41] <themill> it doesn't need the / in your sources.list
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• 2382[15:34:09] <babilen> Why would it raise a 404 then?
• 2383[15:34:15] <babilen> Ah .. this is with a browser?
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• 2386[15:34:40] <themill> I assume so. Nothing in apt is ever going to request that URL
• 2387[15:35:09] <babilen> Right, nvm then :)
• 2388[15:35:15] <themill> :þ
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• 2398[15:43:12] <doublehp> rjsalts: replaced-url
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• 2409[15:46:10] <bumbar_> how can i get autocompletion for apt working? it works for apt-get
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• 2412[15:47:10] <doublehp> bumbar_: 1 : update bash package; 2 edit your /etc/bashrc .... and uncomment
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• 2416[15:48:46] <bumbar_> doublehp, i've installed bash-completion, uncommented in /root/.bashrc and /etc/bash.bashrc
• 2417[15:48:55] <doublehp> then relogin
• 2418[15:48:59] <themill> there isn't any in jessie
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• 2422[15:49:57] <bumbar_> i've also relogged several times
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• 2429[15:51:20] <doublehp> bumbar_: always did it for me ...
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• 2445[15:56:39] <themill> bumbar_: running «complete -F _apt_get apt» might be enough to get something mostly workable
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• 2449[15:58:08] <themill> (that just installs the same programmable completion from apt-get for apt)
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• 2455[15:59:51] <laidback_01> hey, a few years back, I was playing with an application. It wasn't a 'dock' but acted somewhat like one. You could take applications - didn't matter what they were -like librewriter, firefox, and a terminal, and drag the application of choice into this window, and it'd become a tab. You created more tabs as you dragged more applications to the window.
• 2456[16:00:02] <laidback_01> I can't recall the name of that - but it would sure be handy to have!
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• 2459[16:01:00] <themill> That's built into the kde window manager (kwin) but that's probably not what you're looking for
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• 2462[16:01:55] <laidback_01> It's possible I was using KDE when I found that. have been changing DEs/DWMs pretty regular over the past few years. Running lxde as my default now.
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• 2468[16:03:05] <rjsalts> doublehp: that was when you were trying kinit?
• 2469[16:03:24] <doublehp> rjsalts: I am 4 steps further: not found in keytab; ticket is likely out of date
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• 2472[16:04:09] <doublehp> rjsalts: can I mp ?
• 2473[16:04:21] <doublehp> rjsalts: can I /msg you ?
• 2474[16:04:28] <rjsalts> doublehp: I think you need to do kinit -k nfs/host
• 2475[16:04:57] <rjsalts> doublehp: someone else on channel may be able to help. I'm a kerberos noob in the whole scheme of things
• 2476[16:05:17] <doublehp> rjsalts: kinit is fine
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• 2478[16:05:33] <doublehp> rjsalts: on both machines, with short hostnames
• 2479[16:05:46] <hiya> is there a way to find out under what user a particular process is running?
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• 2482[16:06:02] <laidback_01> ps -axu
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• 2484[16:06:10] <laidback_01> the 'u' will give UID
• 2485[16:06:17] <petemc> ps -ef shows it also
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• 2495[16:10:44] <bumbar_> themill, that seems to work, thanks
• 2496[16:11:09] <themill> np
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• 2507[16:17:48] <doublehp> rjsalts: I don't know how, or why ... but, after reboot, it works
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• 2509[16:18:27] <rjsalts> doublehp: sweet
• 2510[16:18:28] <doublehp> rjsalts: really, reboot fixed two bugs.
• 2511[16:18:30] <babilen> (noooo!)
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• 2519[16:19:05] <doublehp> rjsalts: never saw that in unix ... reboot can fix an "invalid password" issue !!!
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• 2521[16:19:32] <cupof> does debian devs use bbs
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• 2524[16:19:57] <rjsalts> doublehp: it was probably some kerberos principal that had been loaded with kinit that shouldn't have been
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• 2526[16:20:36] <rjsalts> they're usually stored in temporary files, or the kernel secret store
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• 2530[16:21:05] <doublehp> rjsalts: that's just ... grrr ... having to reboot both machines to fix this kind of bug. Anyway ... I have written that down.
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• 2532[16:21:35] <doublehp> rjsalts: thank you for support; without you, I would have given up
• 2533[16:21:39] <rjsalts> doublehp: setting up dns would probably help a bit too
• 2534[16:21:56] <doublehp> rjsalts: i can't; local machines, and many IPs each
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• 2538[16:23:12] <rjsalts> doublehp: yeah, being multihomed makes it slightly painful
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• 2540[16:24:00] <rjsalts> doublehp: but I think dns is even more compelling in that instance
• 2541[16:24:01] <jhutchins> doublehp: That sounds like a reason to do the work, not an excuse not to.
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• 2544[16:25:04] <doublehp> rjsalts: new issue: since I use klerberos, files are owned by a funny UID: 4294967294
• 2545[16:25:14] <doublehp> while it remains 0:0 for clients not using KB
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• 2547[16:26:04] <rjsalts> doublehp: yeah, that's the squashed uid by default. You want to configure idmapd
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• 2549[16:26:36] <doublehp> already using this: (rw,async,no_subtree_check,no_all_squash,no_root_squash,sec=krb5)
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• 2556[16:30:16] <rjsalts> doublehp: replaced-url
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• 2561[16:33:05] <doublehp> reboot again ...
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• 2568[16:34:27] <hiya> laidback_01, when I check "ps -axu | grep kiwiirc" gives me "kiwiman 5535 0.0 17.7 1207144 44064 ? Ssl 20:58 0:01 kiwiirc" What does "20:58" has means? Also what about Ssl?
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• 2581[16:42:47] <petemc> hiya: the columns of output should have a header at the top
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• 2619[16:59:25] <hnlin> hiya, try w
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• 2621[16:59:34] <laidback_01> hiya, I'm sorry, I can't take time right now. I'm at my job, and in the middle of a debug session. I recommend you open a terminal and type man ps It's what I did, and found this manual page very useful
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• 2666[17:11:02] <hiya> hnlin, ok thanks
• 2667[17:11:04] <hiya> laidback_01, ok
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• 2708[17:30:46] <OS-23929> hi
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• 2710[17:31:24] <MeanEYE> Hi
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• 2712[17:31:57] <OS-23929> i was trying to use netcat to connect to port 4444 on the windows machine
• 2713[17:32:15] <OS-23929> But i get a message connection timed out
• 2714[17:32:24] <OS-23929> on my Kali machine
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• 2716[17:32:59] <MeanEYE> Which protocol is 4444?
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• 2719[17:35:12] <OS-23929> hmmm, wil look it up
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• 2722[17:35:46] <nkuttler> MeanEYE: grep 4444 /etc/services , lsof -i :4444
• 2723[17:36:14] <MeanEYE> nkuttler, that is if windows machine is respecting standard port numbers for their services.
• 2724[17:36:32] <nkuttler> MeanEYE: um, ##windows then?
• 2725[17:36:55] <MeanEYE> Why are you telling me>?
• 2726[17:37:16] <MeanEYE> Besides, OS-23929 asked why netcat is not working.
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• 2728[17:37:37] <MeanEYE> And since port 4444 is not defined in /etc/services I had to ask which service is running on that Windows machine.
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• 2732[17:38:19] <OS-23929> oh ok
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• 2736[17:39:03] <MeanEYE> And netcat doesn't do SSL.
• 2737[17:39:11] <MeanEYE> Hence my question about which service is running there.
• 2738[17:39:27] <OS-23929> yup, i knw we gotta use ncat for tht
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• 2742[17:40:44] <OS-23929> lemme tell u wat i am trying to do here
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• 2744[17:40:57] <jhutchins> tcpdump?
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• 2746[17:41:09] <OS-23929> I am trying to create a chat session between kali and windows machine
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• 2748[17:41:24] <han-solo> nc won't show that?
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• 2756[17:42:07] <MeanEYE> OS-23929, keep going. What kind of chat. Protocol, UDP or TCP etc.
• 2757[17:42:07] <OS-23929> so am using windows machine as the listener
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• 2761[17:42:32] <MeanEYE> Winblows machines are notorious for having retarded firewalls. Did you check that?
• 2762[17:42:44] <OS-23929> hmmm, lemme do tht
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• 2769[17:46:30] <petn-randall> !kali
• 2770[17:46:31] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 2772[17:47:01] <petn-randall> OS-23929: see above. You can get Kali support elsewhere. This channel is dedicated to pure Debian support only.
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• 2782[17:53:20] <Hanumaan> I am trying to configure systemd service for foswiki and getting this error: replaced-url
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• 2817[18:06:11] <Iridos> Hanumaan, there's no foswiki in debian
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• 2820[18:07:25] <Hanumaan> Iridos, yes it is not there .. just wanted to know about the systemd related problem
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• 2833[18:13:38] <Iridos> it's not even really systemd related. maybe it helps if I read the error to you. there's an invalid startup script in /etc/systemd/system/foswiki.service and a lot of stuff in there is ignored. Then the line with ExecStart which should start the daemon is missing altogether and systemd stops trying to do anything with the file
• 2834[18:13:43] <Mephostopheles> is there a kfreebsd channel on this network?
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• 2837[18:15:00] <Iridos> Mephostopheles, as for debian, no, it's #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
• 2838[18:15:13] <Mephostopheles> thanks
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• 2844[18:18:51] <colo-work> to protect a given package from removal, is there a better option that setting ot to "hold"?
• 2845[18:18:58] <colo-work> (I'd still like to allow upgrades)
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• 2857[18:26:35] <jaggz> anyone know any speech recognition -> commands software that works? I need to scan and my scanner's not supported by the scanbd software...
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• 2859[18:27:00] <jaggz> so I figured I'd just be able to say 'scan' and have some speech recognition software run xsane to scan a page
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• 2886[18:39:22] <murphy> why are there different packages for ubuntu and debian sometimes and other not?
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• 2888[18:39:31] <murphy> oops wrong chan
• 2889[18:39:33] <murphy> derp
• 2890[18:39:36] <greycat> It's almost like they're two different distros!
• 2891[18:39:56] <preaction> it depends on how the package is packaged and what it depends on
• 2892[18:40:04] <murphy> then why do they use the same packages sometimes?
• 2893[18:40:14] <murphy> gotcha
• 2894[18:40:18] <murphy> thats preaction
• 2895[18:40:22] <murphy> *thanksd
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• 2897[18:40:42] <preaction> because they can. static compilation or dynamic linking to deps that are also using the same packages.
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• 2902[18:41:13] <murphy> ohhh ok that actually really clears it up
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• 2904[18:41:42] <murphy> i never really compared ubuntu and debian at that level
• 2905[18:42:39] <jhutchins> murphy: The packages come from upstream projects. Some are heavily modified by each distro separately, some are pretty much packaged as-is.
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• 2907[18:43:11] <jhutchins> murphy: When Ubuntu started out, they used a lot of the same modifications that Debian had made, these days they've diverged on a lot of packages.
• 2908[18:43:57] <jhutchins> murphy: Much the same as the Mandrake distribution started out as a Pentium-optimized copy of RedHat, but eventually diverged enough that packages weren't interchangable.
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• 2910[18:44:25] <murphy> good linux history right there
• 2911[18:44:27] <murphy> thanks
• 2912[18:44:31] <msev-> is ps3eye's 4 microphone array supported in the kernel?
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• 2915[18:45:36] <jhutchins> msev-: replaced-url
• 2916[18:46:49] <murphy> not too hard to give a good explanation when you know something as opposed to sarcasm, right greycat?
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• 2966[19:11:33] <jhutchins> murphy: Sometimes it's hard to resiste the sarcasm if you know something.
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• 3052[19:48:01] <blockcubed> so I am in the keyboard shortcuts tab
• 3053[19:48:12] <blockcubed> what is the teminal named
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• 3055[19:48:21] <blockcubed> I am assuming it is in /bin
• 3056[19:48:33] <blockcubed> where I was directed when I tried to make a new one
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• 3058[19:48:54] <blockcubed> new shortcut entry
• 3059[19:49:01] <jasabella> what are you doing exactly?
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• 3061[19:49:03] <croddy> it's more likely in /usr/bin.
• 3062[19:49:09] <blockcubed> what is the name of it
• 3063[19:49:12] <croddy> i don't know.
• 3064[19:49:14] <blockcubed> I looked under terminal
• 3065[19:49:17] <blockcubed> ok
• 3066[19:49:27] <croddy> describe to me as though i am an idiot what you are trying to do
• 3067[19:49:47] <blockcubed> probably xfceterminal
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• 3069[19:50:20] <greycat> blockcubed: Try this: ps -fp $PPID
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• 3072[19:50:59] <greycat> (This only works if you're in a shell that is the direct child of a terminal, of course -- if you launched a text mode web browser and then shell-escaped out, etc., it won't work.)
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• 3074[19:51:19] <blockcubed> yeah I am just trying to make a keyboard shortcut
• 3075[19:51:24] <blockcubed> for on the fly opening the terminal
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• 3077[19:51:30] <blockcubed> why is that not already a thing?
• 3078[19:51:42] <greycat> So the first goal is to find out what command you use to launch a terminal. Good. I approve so far.
• 3079[19:51:55] <blockcubed> I found terminal.wrapper
• 3080[19:52:17] <croddy> which terminal emulator do you use?
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• 3083[19:53:18] <blockcubed> ....
• 3084[19:53:21] <blockcubed> sorry
• 3085[19:53:27] <blockcubed> xfce default
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• 3087[19:53:41] <blockcubed> I was recommended a better one the other day
• 3088[19:53:47] <jasabella> xfce4-terminal is what you want (unless you use a different one)
• 3089[19:53:48] <blockcubed> but I lost my IRC logs
• 3090[19:54:07] <blockcubed> ok but my new problem
• 3091[19:54:11] <croddy> there are a few dozen options in debian. "better" is a matter of opinion
• 3092[19:54:25] <blockcubed> there is no text window for the shortcut
• 3093[19:54:28] <jasabella> and also how aadvanced you are
• 3094[19:54:31] <croddy> if you run dpkg -L xfce4-terminal it will show you what files are in that package and you should be able to see the executable somewhere in that list
• 3095[19:54:35] <blockcubed> only for the location of the file I want to run
• 3096[19:54:38] <croddy> there are other ways of getting this information too
• 3097[19:54:52] <jasabella> croddy... which xfce4-terminal :D
• 3098[19:55:05] <croddy> that's assuming you know the name of the command
• 3099[19:55:13] <jasabella> and if it gives you a symbolic link because of the alternatives system, readlink -f $(which xfce4-terminal)
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• 3106[19:57:31] <blockcubed> ok I am lost
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• 3108[19:57:39] <blockcubed> I was thinking it was a problem with my theme
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• 3112[19:58:08] <blockcubed> my understanding is that there should be two text entry boxes in the add shortcut menu
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• 3129[20:04:12] <blockcubed> replaced-url
• 3130[20:04:15] <blockcubed> here is a pic
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• 3132[20:05:50] <blockcubed> and by a better terminal I just meant one that expanded the text across the full screen when the terminal is full screen
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• 3134[20:06:14] <greycat> Are you talking about re-wrapping lines that have *already been written*, as opposed to new lines?
• 3135[20:06:27] <blockcubed> but that is something that I figured otu
• 3136[20:06:28] <blockcubed> no
• 3137[20:06:33] <greycat> Most terminals in my experience do NOT re-wrap existing lines when they are resized.
• 3138[20:06:37] <rhizome> do i need to run both apt upgrade and apt dist-upgrade, or does dist-upgrade do both?
• 3139[20:06:38] <rsync> hi
• 3140[20:06:47] <stephanie92> Does anyone here have any experience with Proxmox? (Proxmox channel is ded ;3)
• 3141[20:06:50] <greycat> dist-upgrade does both
• 3142[20:06:52] <rsync> is it possible to ask here a question about hardware security?
• 3143[20:06:55] <rhizome> greycat: thanks
• 3144[20:06:57] <blockcubed> I just typed a command while the terminal was smaller
• 3145[20:07:10] <blockcubed> when I opened it up it was formatted to that size
• 3146[20:07:21] <blockcubed> <----- NOOB AF
• 3147[20:07:35] <jasabella> blockcubed... it's not always the terminal doing it, it could be the library the app is written with doing it (e.g. curses/ncurses)
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• 3149[20:07:51] <blockcubed> oh interesting I didnt know that
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• 3152[20:08:11] <greycat> what jasabella is talking about applies to full-screen applications that are actively *running* inside a terminal, as opposed to information that was written by an application which has exited
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• 3159[20:08:26] <greycat> I still have absolutely no clue what blockcubed is asking yet.
• 3160[20:08:28] <jasabella> true that
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• 3162[20:08:36] <blockcubed> so far its been formatted to my liking when I open it up before typing my command
• 3163[20:08:49] <blockcubed> sorry I am dumb
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• 3165[20:08:57] <greycat> By "open it up" do you mean "resize"?
• 3166[20:09:02] <blockcubed> correct
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• 3168[20:09:29] <rhizome> set the terminal size either in preferences or on the command line you're using for your kb shortcut
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• 3173[20:10:48] <blockcubed> oh and that pic was for my previous problem trying to set a keyboard shortcut for the terminal
• 3174[20:11:03] <blockcubed> man I need to get my shit together I am confusing
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• 3176[20:11:13] <blockcubed> more coffee
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• 3180[20:13:59] <blockcubed> The keyboard shortcuts window has an entry box for the command I want to run but not the keyboard shortcut I want to set it as
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• 3184[20:15:23] <jasabella> it will ask you afterwards
• 3185[20:15:33] <jasabella> in the next dialog box
• 3186[20:15:53] <blockcubed> I tried that but it gives me nothing
• 3187[20:15:56] <blockcubed> let me screenshot
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• 3194[20:17:05] <blockcubed> what the shit why was it not accepting my commands earlier
• 3195[20:17:15] <greycat> How would a screenshot help us understand a process that involves the changing of prompts OVER TIME?
• 3196[20:17:20] <blockcubed> I clicked in the frame tried typing
• 3197[20:17:29] <greycat> You have to describe what you did, and what the results were, using words.
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• 3202[20:19:04] <blockcubed> I was thinking there was going to be a text entry box where I would enter what keyboard shortcut I wanted
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• 3207[20:20:12] <blockcubed> I was under this assumption after it had not worked the first time because there are two collumns one for shortcuts and commands
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• 3209[20:20:56] <blockcubed> *and one for commands
• 3210[20:22:10] <blockcubed> anyway jasabella, rhizome, greycat thanks for the help
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• 3227[20:30:25] <blockcubed> sorry and all
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• 3240[20:35:21] <Zzeiss> Trying to find the 32-bit compatibility stuff for current 'stable' Debian. Any suggestion of what package(s) to load?
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• 3244[20:35:58] <greycat> !multiarch
• 3245[20:35:58] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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• 3247[20:36:27] <Zzeiss> Ah, thanks! Lots of old misinformation out there.
• 3248[20:37:14] <greycat> The multiarch system we have currently started with wheezy, IIRC.
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• 3250[20:37:49] <Zzeiss> Unfortunately if you search for "32 bit compatibility libraries" you get the old stuff. :-(
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• 3271[20:43:48] <rhizome> fwiw i had a devil of a time trying to multiarch 32bit wine under amd64 a year or two ago.
• 3272[20:44:19] <martman> random question, when you try to install a virtual package why doesnt it just grab the latest?
• 3273[20:44:25] <martman> N: Can't select versions from package 'libstdc++-dev' as it is purely virtual
• 3274[20:44:35] <martman> why not just install libstdc++-4.9-dev for me?
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• 3281[20:45:53] <redsPL> Hi!
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• 3283[20:46:20] <redsPL> I've got a problem.. trying to use WiFi on my mITX with a ralink usb dongle
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• 3286[20:46:35] <redsPL> i have installed ralink-firmware
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• 3289[20:46:59] <redsPL> but it still doesn't work :(
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• 3291[20:47:24] <rhizome> "doesn't work" isn't much for us to go on
• 3292[20:47:27] <redsPL> i can ifup wlx7cdd......(a veery long name..), but it cannot connect
• 3293[20:47:45] <redsPL> rhizome, what do you want? dmesg? lspci? lsusb?
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• 3295[20:48:05] <rhizome> my laptop is in the other room
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• 3302[20:48:46] <redsPL> Ah, and a strange thing.. i also have debian @ my ThinkPad, and it works with WiFi and that dongle just fine..
• 3303[20:48:54] <Zzeiss> No joy in the multiarch. Still get the "These 32 bit libraries were not found and are needed for MPLAB X to run:" error
• 3304[20:48:57] <rhizome> probably want to start with /var/log/messages
• 3305[20:48:59] <redsPL> (i'm talking about stretch, forgot to mention it)
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• 3309[20:49:54] <greycat> Zzeiss: use ldd to see what's missing, and install each library package one by one until they're all satisfied
• 3310[20:50:00] <redsPL> that's a long file tbh ;D
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• 3312[20:50:30] <Zzeiss> greycat: unfortunately, it's not a binary. It's the .sh script that's going looking for the libraries before it even attempts to install.
• 3313[20:50:36] <greycat> Although it sounds like your errors are coming from some sort of evil wrapper...
• 3314[20:51:27] <greycat> Is it giving you (what you believe to be) false results? What are the actual (perceived) false results?
• 3315[20:51:31] <Zzeiss> yep. Evil wrapper. Though technically it's open source they do their damndest to hide it b/c they consider it valuable.
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• 3323[20:53:32] <cantoo> aht is the channel for debian developers (linux) i have a module i want to share
• 3324[20:53:35] <cantoo> what
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• 3331[20:54:44] <Zzeiss> so, how would I tell apt-get (or even dpkg) to install the 32-bit version of libexpat?
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• 3333[20:55:08] <redsPL> IIRC you must use apt-get install libexpat:i386
• 3334[20:55:11] <redsPL> but i may be wrong
• 3335[20:55:24] <jasabella> you must enable the i386 architecture using dpkg first
• 3336[20:55:42] <redsPL> jasabella: i've assumed he did it already
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• 3338[20:56:33] <redsPL> dpkg --add-architecture i386 <--- Zzeiss
• 3339[20:56:33] * dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new arm chipset
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• 3341[20:56:47] <jasabella> dont forget to apt-get update after too
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• 3343[20:56:59] <jasabella> :P
• 3344[20:57:01] <redsPL> yup, it will need to download package lists ;P
• 3345[20:57:05] <Zzeiss> already did the add-architecture.
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• 3347[20:57:15] <redsPL> Zzeiss, good, have you did an update?
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• 3349[20:57:16] <cantoo> if debian version is rolling release is it something similiar stability wise to archlinux ?
• 3350[20:57:22] <Zzeiss> yes, I did.
• 3351[20:57:29] <redsPL> cantoo, Yeah, something like that
• 3352[20:57:35] <cantoo> thats kewl
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• 3354[20:57:41] <redsPL> Zzeiss: then sudo apt-get install libexpat:i386
• 3355[20:57:47] <jasabella> debian has several branches, stable branch is not rolling, testing is what some ppl would call a rolling release
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• 3360[20:58:30] <jasabella> i'm on testing and it's sweet :)
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• 3362[20:58:46] <cantoo> i once spent an entire night on #linux and was loved for being myself. i'm community member, my next operating system is Debian Jessie :D
• 3363[20:59:05] <redsPL> cantoo: was loved by ppl on #linux?
• 3364[20:59:24] <Zzeiss> No joy. "Couldn't find any package by regex 'libexpat*'" (also did it without the * just to make sure.
• 3365[20:59:36] <redsPL> Zzeiss, ehhhh
• 3366[20:59:46] <cantoo> if my memory was forgotten, it could not have been helped by someone such as myself, which is why we need debian badly
• 3367[20:59:47] <redsPL> have you added contrib and non-free to the sources.list?
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• 3370[21:00:11] <greycat> Zzeiss: Did you try actually *installing* libexpat1:i386 ?
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• 3375[21:00:50] <Zzeiss> Yep. No joy. "E: Unable to locate package libexpat1"
• 3376[21:01:06] <redsPL> Zzeiss, apt-get install expat
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• 3378[21:01:16] <redsPL> or apt-get install libexpat-dev
• 3379[21:01:19] <somiaj> Zzeiss: apt-get update
• 3380[21:01:28] <redsPL> somiaj, he did it already
• 3381[21:01:32] <somiaj> ,v libexpat1
• 3382[21:01:34] <judd> Package: libexpat1 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.1.0-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.1.0-1+deb7u4; jessie: 2.1.0-6+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.1.0-6+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.1.0-6+deb8u3; stretch: 2.2.0-1; sid: 2.2.0-1
• 3383[21:01:54] <greycat> Zzeiss: post your sources.list on some paste site (e.g. replaced-url
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• 3385[21:02:04] <redsPL> ,v libexpat1:i386
• 3386[21:02:05] <judd> No package named 'libexpat1:i386' was found in amd64.
• 3387[21:02:11] <redsPL> ,v libexpat1 i386
• 3388[21:02:12] <judd> Package: libexpat1 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.1.0-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.1.0-1+deb7u4; jessie: 2.1.0-6+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.1.0-6+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.1.0-6+deb8u3; stretch: 2.2.0-1; sid: 2.2.0-1
• 3389[21:02:17] <redsPL> hmm
• 3390[21:02:21] <redsPL> interesting
• 3391[21:02:22] <Zzeiss> Well, it installed expat in 64-bit mode. But no joy in :386
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• 3394[21:02:31] <redsPL> Zzeiss, it exists on i386
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• 3396[21:02:43] <redsPL> you haven't executed apt-get update
• 3397[21:02:45] <somiaj> are you trying to install multiparch?
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• 3399[21:02:52] <somiaj> it multiarch
• 3400[21:02:58] <greycat> Yes, he's trying to do multiarch.
• 3401[21:03:01] <Zzeiss> redsPL: yes, I have done repeated apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade.
• 3402[21:03:10] <greycat> dist-upgrade is NOT RELEVANT
• 3403[21:03:15] <redsPL> no need for dist-upgrade
• 3404[21:03:18] <Zzeiss> greycat: Yeah. No choice in the matter. Need the code for work.
• 3405[21:03:23] <greycat> You have to install the actual individual i386 packages that you need.
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• 3407[21:03:41] <Zzeiss> graycat: OK. ... did apt-get update (as root, even!)
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• 3409[21:04:12] <Zzeiss> then if I do (as root) apt-get install expat:386
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• 3411[21:04:26] <jasabella> dist-upgrade is a good way to have a bad day if you dont know what you're doing
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• 3413[21:04:36] <greycat> Zzeiss: NO. apt-get install libexpat1:i386
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• 3416[21:05:08] <Zzeiss> graycat: damn, that worked. forgot the "i".
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• 3418[21:05:16] <Zzeiss> graycat: Thanks!!!
• 3419[21:05:19] <redsPL> (facepalm)..
• 3420[21:05:52] <redsPL> not to mention who tried to help you in the first place.. nevermind
• 3421[21:05:53] <Zzeiss> well, gotta go. still two libs to fix and a train to catch, in opposite order.
• 3422[21:05:59] <redsPL> cya
• 3423[21:06:04] <jasabella> ciao
• 3424[21:06:08] <Zzeiss> (and yes, I am stupdi. Never thought otherwise)
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• 3430[21:07:34] <redsPL> have /etc/rc.local disappeared, or is it still working?
• 3431[21:07:43] <redsPL> i mean.. i haven't found that file in my newest install
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• 3434[21:08:18] <jasabella> systemd
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• 3436[21:08:30] <greycat> rc.local still exists and still works on a systemd installation. I use it.
• 3437[21:08:48] <redsPL> yeah, i (unfortunately) have systemd
• 3438[21:09:00] <jhutchins> redsPL: Since it's usually empty by default, a lot of installs don't create it. You are allowed to write one yourself, and systemd will run it, but there are newer systemd ways.
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• 3440[21:09:11] <greycat> Be warned that the default rc.local file was created by an idiot and therefore has a -e option in the shebang line. Remove that or work around it. Also remember that the default rc.local has an "exit 0" line. Remove that, or work around it.
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• 3442[21:09:20] <redsPL> jhutchins, Ow, so that's why!
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• 3444[21:09:57] <jhutchins> redsPL: I don't know for sure, greycat seems to know of a default file, but that may be from before 8.0 and systemd.
• 3445[21:10:15] <redsPL> naah, in 8.0 i had it created by installer
• 3446[21:10:18] <redsPL> now on 9.0 i don't
• 3447[21:10:34] <jhutchins> redsPL: I don't usually put active code in mine, just calls to stand-alone scripts.
• 3448[21:10:35] <greycat> you used a NON-STABLE INSTALLER??!
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• 3450[21:11:06] <redsPL> greycat: yup
• 3451[21:11:08] <redsPL> worked just fine
• 3452[21:11:10] <redsPL> erm
• 3453[21:11:15] <greycat> Well, you know where #debian-next is, then.
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• 3455[21:11:27] <redsPL> maybe don't mention "choose and install software" part
• 3456[21:11:42] <redsPL> >irc.oftc.net
• 3457[21:11:45] <jhutchins> That might be something that should go in the changelog.
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• 3459[21:12:24] <redsPL> ehhhhh.. why can't same topic-related and "sister" channels be on one network..
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• 3462[21:12:55] <somiaj> redsPL: debian's offical irc network is irc.oftc.net so all debian channels are there (except for this main debian channel on freenode)
• 3463[21:12:57] <greycat> The developers somehow decided that they liked OFTC more, and moved there. Most of the users did not follow.
• 3464[21:13:11] <redsPL> ow, so that's why..
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• 3469[21:13:45] <somiaj> Note the move was in a time when freenode had kinda 'lost its way' and debian wasn't the only project to move. Since then freenode has changed.
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• 3471[21:14:33] <redsPL> somiaj: like how many years ago?
• 3472[21:14:38] <jhutchins> redsPL: AFIK All of the channels are on oftc.net - it's just that there are a few duplicates here.
• 3473[21:14:50] * redsPL has joined IRC and therefore - freenode in July 2013
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• 3475[21:14:53] <somiaj> redsPL: I think it was around 2006ish.
• 3476[21:15:01] <redsPL> woah
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• 3478[21:15:16] <greycat> !oftc move
• 3479[21:15:16] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
• 3480[21:15:25] <redsPL> when that happended i was like what.. 4?
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• 3482[21:15:55] <jasabella> way to make everybody feel old :P
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• 3484[21:16:01] <greycat> Well, we *are* old.
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• 3487[21:16:15] <redsPL> (me irl was 4 in 2006..)
• 3488[21:16:21] <jhutchins> Hey, I've been on irc since 1992, and I know people who were on before I was.
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• 3494[21:17:05] <redsPL> jhutchins: how did it change? i mean.. amount of people, type of topics, etc.? I'm just curious ;P
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• 3498[21:17:52] <jhutchins> redsPL: I was on different networks then, more recreational, but I'd say trolls were less of a problem.
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• 3502[21:18:49] <jhutchins> redsPL: It took longer to work through problems like new hardware support, but you were more likely to deal directly with a kernel.org developer.
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• 3505[21:19:23] <redsPL> ow yeah, i hate trolls.. but there are more culture here on IRC than on "webz" (how many call it..)
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• 3507[21:19:29] <missmbob> !offtopic
• 3508[21:19:29] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 3510[21:19:38] <redsPL> missmbob, yeeeah, sorry.
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• 3559[21:45:02] <gr8> I need help installing ntp as a service. I have installed ntp some months ago, and noticed that my clock is slightly off. the service fails, and the error message is "Starting NTP server: ntpd/usr/sbin/ntpd: invalid option -- 'g'" Can you help me troubleshoot this?
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• 3564[21:46:30] <missmbob> gr8: have systemd on there?
• 3565[21:46:36] <gr8> yes
• 3566[21:46:47] <missmbob> gr8: i prefer just letting it handle time. replaced-url
• 3567[21:47:25] <gr8> but I strongly dislike systemd to be honest, is there a way to use NTP?
• 3568[21:47:37] <jhutchins> gr8: Is this an unmodified install of stable?
• 3569[21:47:51] <gr8> depends on what you mean by unmodified but generally yes
• 3570[21:47:59] <pingfloyd> gr8: which log are you getting that message?
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• 3572[21:48:02] <jhutchins> gr8: Yes, systemd will work with ntpd, ntpd is required to serve time to other systems.
• 3573[21:48:11] <gr8> pingfloyd: journalctl -xn
• 3574[21:48:28] <jhutchins> gr8: By unmodified I mean the only thing you've done to any ntp files is enable the init.
• 3575[21:49:01] <gr8> jhutchins: I remember adjusting the time zone somewhere but I'm not sure what I did
• 3576[21:49:58] <gr8> it was months ago
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• 3579[21:50:56] <jhutchins> gr8: Ok, that's different, NTP is GMT. What version of ntp is installed?
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• 3581[21:52:37] <gr8> how do I find out?
• 3582[21:52:45] <jhutchins> dpkg -l ntp
• 3583[21:52:45] <dpkg> No packages found matching ntp
• 3584[21:52:55] <greycat> time zone config is separate from setting up NTP
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• 3586[21:52:59] <gr8> 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-
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• 3589[21:53:32] <jhutchins> gr8: Hm, works here, but this is an upgrade. That error looks like your init script is corrupt.
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• 3591[21:53:51] <pingfloyd> look at /etc/init.d/ntp
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• 3594[21:54:09] <jhutchins> debsums would be useful at this point...
• 3595[21:54:49] <pingfloyd> 'g' is a strange option. I could see '-g'.
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• 3599[21:55:20] <greycat> It's a truncated version string.
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• 3601[21:55:36] <gr8> this is my /etc/init.d/ntp: replaced-url
• 3602[21:55:52] <greycat> err, why are you posting a sysvinit script...?
• 3603[21:56:03] <greycat> Did you write it yourself or something? Is it not Debian's?
• 3604[21:56:30] <gr8> I haven't written anything
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• 3607[21:56:59] <greycat> Then it should be the default Debian one and you should READ IT at least up to the point where you see it dotting in /etc/default/ntp and then you should go "AHA! That is the config file!"
• 3608[21:57:14] <greycat> Or at least, one of the config files.
• 3609[21:57:40] <greycat> The other one is /etc/ntp.conf which you wouldn't get out of the sysvinit script.
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• 3612[21:59:02] <pingfloyd> do you have the config file /var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp
• 3613[21:59:09] <pingfloyd> check that also if you do
• 3614[21:59:27] <gr8> pingfloyd: no such file
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• 3617[22:00:20] <gr8> greycat: I have no idea what you are talking about, I just installed this thing via package manager
• 3618[22:00:21] <pingfloyd> greycat: there should be an /etc/init.d/ntp in jessie
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• 3620[22:00:42] <greycat> gr8: What are you trying to do?
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• 3622[22:01:11] <gr8> I am trying to have my clock be synchronized by NTP every now and then
• 3623[22:01:16] <jhutchins> I can speculate that systemd is passing bad values to ntpd, but I'm not sure how it interacts. I have current jessie and it's working fine.
• 3624[22:01:34] <pingfloyd> gr8: maybe pastebin more context of the log you found the error message
• 3625[22:01:34] <greycat> Then make sure the ntp package is installed, and make sure ntpd is running.
• 3626[22:02:03] <greycat> Oh, there are *errors* involved somehow?
• 3627[22:02:10] <pingfloyd> greycat: you must have came in late
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• 3631[22:02:33] <pingfloyd> 12:45 <gr8> I need help installing ntp as a service. I have installed ntp some months ago, and noticed that my clock is slightly off. the service fails, and the error message is "Starting NTP server: ntpd/usr/sbin/ntpd: invalid option -- 'g'" Can you help me troubleshoot this?
• 3632[22:02:43] * greycat scrolls back, then back some more... My money is on "Not A Jessie Box".
• 3633[22:02:52] <pingfloyd> maybe
• 3634[22:03:04] <pingfloyd> gr8: are you sure you're running pure jessie?
• 3635[22:03:31] <pingfloyd> gr8: seems odd you're using journalctl in jessie, unless you changed that
• 3636[22:03:36] <greycat> *DEBIAN* jessie and not *RASPBIAN* jessie.
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• 3639[22:03:53] <jhutchins> Version matches.
• 3640[22:03:54] <amcorreia> Have a #debian-dev ?
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• 3643[22:04:06] <jhutchins> gr8: replaced-url
• 3644[22:04:08] <pingfloyd> I think the general consensus is ntpd runs find out of the box in jessie
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• 3646[22:04:14] <pingfloyd> *fine
• 3647[22:04:25] <greycat> It also doesn't complain about the -g option in jessie.
• 3648[22:04:29] <gr8> here are some more logs: replaced-url
• 3649[22:04:30] <greycat> ntp 960 0.0 0.1 35448 4268 ? Ss 09:06 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -u 107:112
• 3650[22:04:44] <greycat> gr8: what operating system are you running?
• 3651[22:04:50] <gr8> Debian 8.5
• 3652[22:05:15] <pingfloyd> gr8: your config seems odd for jessie
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• 3655[22:05:55] <missmbob> i wish this didn't start with "Note: This is outdated!" :P replaced-url
• 3656[22:06:02] <jhutchins> WEll, there's a "-g".
• 3657[22:06:12] <jhutchins> So it's the -- that's throwing it off.
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• 3659[22:06:26] <greycat> ~$ cat /etc/default/ntp
• 3660[22:06:26] <greycat> NTPD_OPTS='-g'
• 3661[22:06:33] <gr8> pingfloyd: sorry I don't know the reason for this
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• 3663[22:07:03] <pingfloyd> gr8: replaced-url
• 3664[22:07:09] <pingfloyd> for reference
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• 3666[22:07:22] <jhutchins> gr8: Along the lines of "turn it off and back on a few times" you could purge ntp and reinstall it.
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• 3669[22:08:22] <greycat> I'm still thinking he did *something* with systemd that is changing which ntpd is actually being used. But I'm extremely foggy on this stuff because I have a strict Do Not Fuck With Optional Pieces Of Systemd policy.
• 3670[22:08:33] <jhutchins> pingfloyd: What is that output from?
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• 3673[22:09:05] <pingfloyd> systemctl status ntp
• 3674[22:09:12] <greycat> Also, replaced-url
• 3675[22:09:12] <gr8> greycat: sorry I'm not sure, I've been using this installation of debian for a while that's what I like so much about it :)
• 3676[22:09:14] <amcorreia> anyone knows if it's possible from PAM get private ip address?
• 3677[22:09:24] <amcorreia> when connection through SSH
• 3678[22:09:28] <greycat> amcorreia: Um, what.
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• 3680[22:09:57] <amcorreia> greycat, I'm trying to cria PAM module, and I need get private ip from client connection.
• 3681[22:10:02] <amcorreia> *create
• 3682[22:10:13] <greycat> amcorreia: ssh supplies this info in environment variables
• 3683[22:10:40] <greycat> It makes slightly more sense when I replace the words "get private ip address" with "get the client's IP address".
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• 3685[22:11:19] <amcorreia> can be a public ip in this case..no?
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• 3687[22:11:34] <greycat> I don't know what MEAN by "public ip" or "private ip".
• 3688[22:11:55] <greycat> They are the IP addresses that ssh sees.
• 3689[22:12:19] <greycat> $ env | grep SSH
• 3690[22:12:24] <greycat> ... SSH_CONNECTION=10.76.173.78 2712 10.76.172.109 22
• 3691[22:12:40] <amcorreia> RFC 1918 -> replaced-url
• 3692[22:12:46] <greycat> *sigh*
• 3693[22:12:56] <greycat> What do you think ssh is capable of?
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• 3695[22:13:22] <greycat> SSH is a TCP connection. It has a source IP and a destination IP, and a source port and a destination port. THAT IS WHAT IT SEES.
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• 3697[22:13:36] <amcorreia> yep, I know
• 3698[22:13:41] <greycat> It does not PROBE THE CLIENT'S OPERATING SYSTEM for other IP addresses that are irrelevant to the ssh connection.
• 3699[22:13:49] <digdilem> are you using ssh as a proxy or something?
• 3700[22:13:56] <amcorreia> no
• 3701[22:14:11] <digdilem> then i'm just as confused as greycat
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• 3704[22:15:55] <greycat> "I'm connecting from a client that has multiple IPs to a server, over the eth0 interface but I want the server to know the client's IP addresses on the eth1 interface" just ain't gonna happen.
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• 3706[22:15:59] <pingfloyd> gr8: can you paste your /etc/default/ntp
• 3707[22:16:12] <pingfloyd> gr8: that may be where the problem is
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• 3711[22:17:28] <amcorreia> know duo.com? I want do something similar...it's working, the problem is...if I have 2 users in a network (with different private ips) they will get the same Fingerprint because right now using only public ip...so I wanted to add private IP in Fingerprint
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• 3713[22:18:12] <greycat> "I'm connecting from a client that has multiple IPs to a server, over the eth0 interface but I want the server to know the client's IP addresses on the eth1 interface" just ain't gonna happen.
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• 3715[22:19:23] <greycat> Or maybe this is a NAT question.
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• 3718[22:20:06] <greycat> The sshd on the server side WILL NOT see the internal IP addresses of a NATted client. On purpose. This is how NAT works. It hides the internal network's details from other networks.
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• 3725[22:22:04] <amcorreia> well, this is not good.
• 3726[22:22:14] <greycat> Yay! Only 10 minutes to understand what the question was.
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• 3728[22:22:27] <pingfloyd> amcorreia: fingerprint is more for clients to make sure they're connecting to the server they think they are
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• 3732[22:22:47] <pingfloyd> amcorreia: why would the clients matter in this scenario?
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• 3735[22:23:16] <amcorreia> pingfloyd, in fact, I need in server differentiate users
• 3736[22:23:22] <greycat> (s)he seems to be (trying to) use the client's inside-a-NAT IP address as some form of authentication token, which sounds Extremely Unwise to me.
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• 3738[22:23:42] <pingfloyd> that doesn't make much sense to me
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• 3740[22:24:38] <gr8> pingfloyd: It only contains: NTPD_OPTS='-g'
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• 3742[22:24:54] <pingfloyd> gr8: that looks correct
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• 3746[22:26:50] <pingfloyd> gr8: that file and optionally /var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp seem to be the only two file it parses the opts from outside the /etc/init.d/ntp script itself unless I'm overlooking something
• 3747[22:27:23] <pingfloyd> gr8: I've been up far too long though, so maybe I'm overlooking something
• 3748[22:27:37] <gr8> strange
• 3749[22:28:22] <`Kevin> gr8: can you paste a strace somewhere ? eg strace -s4096 -f -o strace-ntp-debian.out $CommandYouareUsingToStartNTP
• 3750[22:28:30] <`Kevin> upload strace-ntp-debian.out somewhere
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• 3752[22:29:22] <gr8> `Kevin: well I'm not starting ntp manually ...
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• 3755[22:31:00] <pingfloyd> gr8: only other thing I can think of is checking your /etc/ntp.conf
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• 3757[22:31:24] <greycat> pingfloyd: I think we need to find someone who knows how to un-systemd an NTP setup.
• 3758[22:31:27] <gr8> `Kevin: I can paste the output of strace -s4096 -f -o strace-ntp-debian.out systemctl start ntp but it looks cryptic ...
• 3759[22:31:28] <`Kevin> gr8: so use systemctl to start it as systemd would but under strace
• 3760[22:32:00] <`Kevin> gr8: it does to most
• 3761[22:32:29] <gr8> `Kevin: there you go: replaced-url
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• 3765[22:34:03] <jasabella> hmmm
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• 3769[22:35:15] <`Kevin> yea didnt think much would be there with systemd meh
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• 3771[22:36:00] <jmcnaught> wouldn't you simply strace the command that the init script uses to start ntp?
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• 3775[22:36:27] <gr8> pingfloyd: /etc/ntp.conf looks unsuspicious
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• 3783[22:37:54] <gr8> the line from the init script is: start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --pidfile $PIDFILE --startas $DAEMON -- -p $PIDFILE $NTPD_OPTS
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• 3787[22:38:19] <greycat> gr8: um. Are you actually *using* that init script?
• 3788[22:38:25] <greycat> I doubt it.
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• 3790[22:39:10] <greycat> Oh... hm. Looks like there aren't systemd units for ntp in jessie.
• 3791[22:39:12] <gr8> greycat: at least the log that I posted says so: replaced-url
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• 3793[22:39:50] <greycat> gr8: ls -ld /usr/sbin/ntpd
• 3794[22:40:05] <gr8> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 58692 Aug 26 2014 /usr/sbin/ntpd
• 3795[22:40:24] <greycat> That's a tenth the size of mine.
• 3796[22:40:28] <greycat> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 549648 Jul 22 13:31 /usr/sbin/ntpd
• 3797[22:40:49] <gr8> ok let me just purge and reinstall this thing
• 3798[22:40:59] <pingfloyd> yeah my size matches greycat
• 3799[22:41:26] <`Kevin> 540 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 549648 Apr 10 2015 /usr/sbin/ntpd
• 3800[22:41:31] <greycat> I'm not quite sure what's going on here, since none of them are using an alternatives system.
• 3801[22:41:36] <gr8> after purging ntp, that file still exists
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• 3803[22:41:42] <greycat> *which file*
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• 3805[22:41:49] <pingfloyd> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 549648 Jul 22 10:31 /usr/sbin/ntpd
• 3806[22:41:49] <gr8> /usr/sbin/ntpd
• 3807[22:42:17] <digdilem> been hacked lately?
• 3808[22:42:26] <gr8> I don't hope so
• 3809[22:42:28] <pingfloyd> you're thinking that too?
• 3810[22:42:29] <greycat> Maybe it's a dpkg-divert thing...?
• 3811[22:42:42] <greycat> I don't really understand dpkg-divert well enough.
• 3812[22:42:50] <`Kevin> gr8: can you pastebin file and ldd of /usr/sbin/ntpd (just curious)
• 3813[22:42:52] <gr8> I still have openntp installed
• 3814[22:43:21] <greycat> *blink*
• 3815[22:43:28] <pingfloyd> maybe that's the problem
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• 3817[22:43:42] <greycat> Yeah, that certainly sounds like an important detail.
• 3818[22:43:44] <`Kevin> blergh
• 3819[22:43:45] <`Kevin> replaced-url
• 3820[22:43:51] <gr8> /usr/sbin/ntpd belongs to openntpd
• 3821[22:43:52] <digdilem> yeah, that could be relevant if it has a binary also called /usr/sbin/ntpd
• 3822[22:43:52] <pingfloyd> in fact openntp conflicts with ntp
• 3823[22:44:02] <gr8> why didn't apt warn me
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• 3825[22:44:08] <pingfloyd> have you tried 'apt-get install -f'
• 3826[22:44:21] <gr8> first I'm going to purge openntpd ok
• 3827[22:44:39] <pingfloyd> I'm kind of surprise apt didn't catch that either
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• 3829[22:44:55] <gr8> is ntp better than openntpd?
• 3830[22:45:01] <pingfloyd> it shows ntp as a conflict with it
• 3831[22:45:02] <digdilem> both installed through apt? one wasn't built from source?
• 3832[22:45:10] <gr8> no source
• 3833[22:45:35] <greycat> He never actually *showed* the dpkg -l output for either one, as far as I saw.
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• 3835[22:45:40] <pingfloyd> gr8: don't know, but I can say ntp has never given me issues
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• 3838[22:45:47] <gr8> ok ntp service up and running
• 3839[22:45:52] <jmcnaught> ntp probably wasn't installed, but maybe was rc, so the purge operation simply removed old conffiles
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• 3841[22:46:30] <pingfloyd> gr8: so it's working now?
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• 3843[22:46:51] <gr8> the clock is perfectly synced now
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• 3845[22:46:56] <gr8> thanks guys :)
• 3846[22:47:00] <jim> I'm trying to find more about pciid 8086:0f31, judd doesn't point to which module to use for video... any help here?
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• 3848[22:47:14] <greycat> jim: intel, for sure, given the 8086: vendor ID.
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• 3850[22:48:55] <pingfloyd> jim: Iris pro 5200
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• 3852[22:49:22] <jim> do you happen to know which kernel module supports that?
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• 3855[22:50:12] <greycat> judd, pciid 8086:0f31
• 3856[22:50:13] <judd> [8086:0f31] is 'Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 3859[22:50:48] <jim> greycat, yeah, that's why I'm asking... saw that judd reply
• 3860[22:50:56] <pingfloyd> jim: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
• 3861[22:51:11] <jim> let me find out
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• 3865[22:52:50] <greycat> If you have issues with an intel video chipset, first thing I'd do is install the jessie-backports xserver-xorg-video-intel
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• 3873[22:54:52] <jmcnaught> jim: some atoms have the dreaded gma500/poulsbo, but wikipedia suggests that the z36xx series has GPU based on ivy bridge (2012)
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• 3882[22:56:15] <jim> jmcnaught, here's his lspci -nn: replaced-url
• 3883[22:56:25] <lindylex> How can I disable cron from writing to syslog?
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• 3888[22:57:47] <jim> answer to "does he have firmware-linux-nonfree installed" is no
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• 3890[22:58:10] <jmcnaught> jim: i'm surprised it doesn't just work, though it's not clear what the problem is
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• 3892[22:58:48] <pingfloyd> jim: try installing that
• 3893[22:58:58] <pingfloyd> jim: I was reading that chipset needs that
• 3894[22:59:25] <jim> ok, will do
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• 3896[23:00:05] <pingfloyd> you'll of course have to add the non-free branch to sources.list if not in there already
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• 3898[23:00:26] <lindylex> jim: replaced-url
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• 3906[23:01:13] <jim> lindylex, for a bit more info: you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
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• 3909[23:02:00] <lindylex> jim: wow thanks!
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• 3912[23:02:38] <jim> lindylex, there's also similar functionality in the packages: pastebinit, nopaste
• 3913[23:02:38] <lindylex> anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 /del/null worked for my crontab so it does not end up in syslog.
• 3914[23:02:41] <implijer> hey !
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• 3917[23:02:55] <lindylex> I am not aware of those.
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• 3920[23:03:14] <jim> implijer hi
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• 3922[23:03:29] <implijer> I was watching my PATH variable. Would you have some documentation about what should be in /usr/local/games or /usr/games ?
• 3923[23:03:33] <jim> lindylex, those two are packaged in debian
• 3924[23:03:37] <implijer> (and such)
• 3925[23:03:38] <lindylex> ok
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• 3931[23:07:19] <jasabella> implijer... games, novelty programs like fortune
• 3932[23:07:32] <jasabella> amor, steam installs there even
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• 3936[23:08:33] <jasabella> implijer... man hier
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• 3941[23:09:12] <implijer> thanks jasabella
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• 3951[23:13:01] <bigterd> i need to compare data recovery with 2 directories. file names got whacked, so i'm using md5sums, how can i rip out the md5sum's and compare the 32bit string?
• 3952[23:13:49] <jasabella> cut -f1
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• 3958[23:14:33] <jasabella> you could diff the outputs
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• 3960[23:15:23] <bigterd> cut -f1 still prints the file names i don't need
• 3961[23:15:47] <bigterd> the filenames got shorteened msdos style, so it's irrevelant now. :/
• 3962[23:16:05] <jasabella> diff <(md5sum dir1/* ) <(md5sum dir2/*)
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• 3968[23:17:13] <bigterd> i made 10 copies of a sdcard ddrescue image. tried different dosfsck options, mounted as read only, now i'm trying to compare if there's any differences.
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• 3970[23:17:25] <bigterd> problem is the file names got whacked to 8 max a few times.
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• 3977[23:18:51] <jasabella> cut -d' ' -f1
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• 3979[23:19:02] <jasabella> it uses space instead of tabs :)
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• 3981[23:19:34] * bigterd sighs
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• 3983[23:19:50] <bigterd> i need to sit at the keyboard more. there's a million ways to do 1 thing on opensource....
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• 3989[23:20:58] <bigterd> jasabella: that diff command, what is printed is what would be tagged as changed?
• 3990[23:21:12] <bigterd> > *sum* /path/to/file
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• 3994[23:22:17] <jasabella> it assumes the files will be returned in the same order which might be a bad assumption given what you're doing
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• 3996[23:22:35] <jasabella> diff compares files line by line for differences
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• 3998[23:22:49] <AshX> hi
• 3999[23:22:52] <jasabella> if you have each line corresponding to a file and/or its md5sum, it's good :)
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• 4001[23:23:14] <bigterd> hm, yeah. maybe i hsould diff just a file with md5sums
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• 4051[23:43:18] <Smither> Hey, I'm trying to install vlc onto my debian server for handbrake to rip DVDs but it's not letting me and when i do "aptitude why-not vlc" it gives me this --> replaced-url
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• 4055[23:44:10] <cantoo> can anyone refer me to a place on the web that has a listing of all gstreamer codecs for jessie 8.5 and hopefully further all video codecs ?
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• 4063[23:47:19] <fred1807> can I have many wifi credentials inside wpa.conf, or only 1 at a time?
• 4064[23:47:39] <fred1807> no desktop/gui debian
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• 4067[23:48:23] <badgerSqueegee> how to i add a static route for an adapter in /etc/interfaces?
• 4068[23:48:26] <badgerSqueegee> do*
• 4069[23:49:11] <badgerSqueegee> route x.x.x.x via y.y.y.y ? .. it's for a direct connecion via crossover
• 4070[23:49:11] <teraflops> cantoo: `dpkg -L gstreamer0.10-plugins-good` and so on?
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• 4074[23:49:59] <teraflops> cantoo: also replaced-url
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• 4076[23:50:11] <jasabella> fred1807... you can have multiple according to man wpa_supplicant.conf
• 4077[23:50:45] <fred1807> jasabella: well, something is wrong then... Wonder if any typo may broken the file..
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• 4083[23:51:38] <jasabella> fred1807... SSIDs and passwords are case sensitive
• 4084[23:51:45] <fred1807> yep
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• 4086[23:52:07] <jasabella> i usually just use wpa_passphrase foo password >> wpa_supplicant.conf
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