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0[00:00:07] <Olivier> I tried windiskimager but The program
don't work correctly
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1[00:00:07] <pseudonymous> Olivier: seems simple enough, the
ISO you downloaded seems to be setup to be bootable (
replaced-url
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2[00:00:28] <pseudonymous> oh, you're stuck on windows
right now ?
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3[00:00:29] <JohnTitor> Olivier: are you on linux or windows?
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4[00:00:40] <Olivier> windows
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5[00:00:52] <JohnTitor> Olivier: it works in windows ^
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7[00:01:08] <Olivier> yes but the program don't work
correctly
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8[00:01:19] <JohnTitor> ಠ_ಠ
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9[00:01:49] <pseudonymous> Olivier: OK, strange, try another.
E.g.
replaced-url
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10[00:02:03] <missmbob> no, dont ever use rufus
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11[00:02:06] <missmbob> !rufus
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12[00:02:06] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use
with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and
unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about
<hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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13[00:02:18] <Olivier> Rufus or not...
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15[00:02:49] <JohnTitor> Olivier: this is a linux support
channel, debian. I'm afraid we cannot help you with
win32diskimager
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16[00:03:04] <pseudonymous> O.K... not rufus then.
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19[00:03:16] <Olivier> okay, you know other program or not?
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20[00:03:25] <Olivier> daemon tools lite maybe....
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21[00:03:29] <Olivier> I don't know
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22[00:03:37] <Klaus_Dieter> Olivier: the help text named
unetbootin
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23[00:03:43] <debidi> Olivier: dd
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24[00:03:50] <missmbob> no, neverunetbootin
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25[00:03:55] <missmbob> !unetbootin
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26[00:03:55] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
replaced-url
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27[00:04:02] <pseudonymous> Olivier: I've used win32 disk
imager with some linux isos, worked fine. dd is also a nice way to
go
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28[00:04:03] <JohnTitor> Olivier: are you trying to make a
bootable usb installtion media=
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29[00:04:03] <Olivier> I tried unetbootin but the result is a
text file on my USB
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30[00:04:12] <JohnTitor> ?
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32[00:04:15] <Olivier> yes
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33[00:04:20] <Olivier> I tried
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34[00:04:20] <LtL> Olivier: win 7 pro, and possibly other
versions have 'isoburn.exe' it works perfectly
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35[00:04:34] <Olivier> oh okay
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36[00:04:40] <JohnTitor> Olivier: then I gues youre doing it
wrong, win32diskimager works
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37[00:04:55] <Olivier> okay I try win32diskimager
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39[00:05:13] <missmbob> seriously? now you try? i told you
about it forever ago
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41[00:05:36] <Olivier> yes I tried but I go retry
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42[00:05:40] <Olivier> the program
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43[00:06:12] <Olivier> but, I already try
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44[00:06:15] <Olivier> don't worry
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46[00:06:29] <missmbob> i have to assume the program is in
english and you're misreading something.
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47[00:06:50] <Olivier> yes I know
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48[00:06:57] <Olivier> I'm not good in English
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50[00:08:22] <JohnTitor> Olivier: it's just selecting the
iso and the usb device ^
replaced-url
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52[00:08:52] <Olivier> the link is debian?
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53[00:09:32] <JohnTitor> it's the same I chose that one
because it has images
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54[00:09:44] <Olivier> okay thank you for your help
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55[00:09:47] <JohnTitor> np
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64[00:15:28] <Klaus_Dieter> so I have installed grub which
displays a nice graphic boot menu. I have also plymouth installed
which displays a nice startup animation. between the time the grub
menu is shown and the startup animation is shown there is some ugly
screen flickering and mode-siwtiching. is there a way of getting rid
of this mess and just showing a nice graphic when booting?
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70[00:18:25] <debidi> Klaus_Dieter: no
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74[00:19:16] <debidi> Klaus_Dieter: maybe perhaps if you made
sure the video modes didn't need to be changed, then you might
have to tweak configs
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80[00:20:02] <Klaus_Dieter> debidi: that sounds it'd take
some kernel recompiling.... it is really not *that* important to me.
but it sure would be nice... thanks anyways :)
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81[00:20:35] <debidi> Klaus_Dieter: maybe not kernel, just the
configs for grub and plymouth
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87[00:22:55] <kupad> I'm trying, and failing, to get an
external monitor working, with a USB-C -> DVI dongle, on my Dell
XPS 13 laptop. This was working under the custom Dell OEM Ubuntu
14.04, but isn't currently working on Debian Testing.
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88[00:23:26] <kupad> google searches led me to: a forum post
about a kernel patch that might fix it. but I checked that 4.6
already has the patch
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94[00:24:03] <kupad> and also a suggestion to flash my BIOS.
which I did with the latest BIOS
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95[00:24:10] <kupad> provided by Dell
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96[00:24:19] <RippyDippy> Odd question, is there a way to list
all the channels on a server?
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98[00:24:38] <debidi> RippyDippy: #freenode ?
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99[00:25:19] <missmbob> RippyDippy: /list -YES (at least on
irssi)
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101[00:25:42] <RippyDippy> missmbob: What does the -YES do?
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103[00:26:00] <missmbob> RippyDippy: says "yes i know this
is fucking stupid but do it" (seriously)
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105[00:26:34] <RippyDippy> missmbob: HAHAHA Ok. Yeah I see why.
Its pretty much a useless output
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106[00:26:46] <debidi> RippyDippy: sounds llike you're on
irssi.. but there's a listing on the
replaced-url
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110[00:27:21] <RippyDippy> debidi: Yeah irssi. I really didnt
know what I expected beside a massive landslide of output.
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114[00:30:08] <debidi> RippyDippy: elist script for irssi
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121[00:31:52] <JohnTitor> kupad: tried asking in #debian-next?
(oftc network)
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122[00:32:26] <kupad> JohnTitor: I haven't, I'll give
that a shot, thanks
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165[00:56:56] <jaggz> why would amd64 installation images fail
on a 64 bit desktop?
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168[00:57:59] <Klaus_Dieter> jaggz: did you check the
shasum/md5sum before using them?
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169[00:58:35] <jaggz> no.. you think my http download actually
got errors in it? I can check.. but ..
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170[00:59:26] <Klaus_Dieter> jaggz: yeah I know. but it is a
good place to put an anchor for further analysis.
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172[00:59:51] <jaggz> okay yeah md5 checks out
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174[01:02:06] <jaggz> this is a 64 bit system.. (their page
sucks.. but it supports an "AMD Athlon 64 X2 up to 6000+
(W)"). is this amd64 architecture?
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176[01:02:09] <jaggz>
replaced-url
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177[01:02:49] <Klaus_Dieter> jaggz: yeah it is.
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178[01:03:08] <TomTomTosch> it is the correct arch. what
happened when you tried to install?
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180[01:03:31] <jaggz> reboots
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181[01:03:40] <jaggz> after choosing any option (install,
graphical install, rescue) from the boot menu
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182[01:04:03] <jaggz> right after 2 lines (one of them seems to
be extracting of vmlinuz .. hard to read)
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183[01:04:05] <Klaus_Dieter> jaggz: ah - which cpu did you put
in it?
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184[01:04:21] <jaggz> not sure.. default cpu that came with it
:)
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185[01:04:39] <winsen> Hi all
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187[01:05:47] <Klaus_Dieter> jaggz: usually the system gives an
error message saying it is the wrong architecture if you try to run
that
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189[01:06:07] <Klaus_Dieter> those "reboot whenever an
error happens"-situations are really annoying
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192[01:08:12] <winsen> I recently try too configure network
manager manually, but I think I did something wrong and the worst I
can't log on wifi on network manager either. does anyone know
how can I fix it or restore old cnfiguration? thanks
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194[01:09:12] <jaggz> Klaus_Dieter, you got me to look it up..
amd phenom II X4 840t processor
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197[01:10:29] <jaggz> Klaus_Dieter, :/
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200[01:11:19] <jaggz> winsen, ever learn to connect to wifi from
shell ? iwconfig ?
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202[01:11:46] <jaggz> winsen,
replaced-url
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203[01:12:00] <jaggz> Klaus_Dieter, yeah no system message..
sigh
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204[01:12:36] <jaggz> so if I install with i386 .. can I install
a 64 bit kernel later and try booting from it.. and migrate to a 64
bit setup?
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205[01:12:40] <jaggz> this is really irritating
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209[01:13:30] <missmbob> jaggz: no
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215[01:17:20] <jaggz> missmbob, how do you add the nomodeset
option at boot?
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217[01:18:04] <missmbob> jaggz: in grub? you hit e
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219[01:18:25] <jaggz> yeah.. I hit tab.. then I just add the
single word "nomodeset"
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222[01:18:58] <winsen> jaggz: I wonder if that will work but I
try. otherwse how can I restore the old configuration?
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224[01:18:59] <missmbob> to the linux line, yeah
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226[01:19:39] <jaggz> winsen, not sure what package .. but you
can dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> I think
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227[01:19:51] <jaggz> missmbob, hmm.. only one line in these
netinst boots
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229[01:20:28] <missmbob> after you press e there will be more
than one line
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230[01:20:37] <jaggz> oh.. maybe tab then e?
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231[01:20:46] <jaggz> intressin'
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235[01:22:17] <winsen> How can I make network manager working
first?
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236[01:22:37] <Wally> Just do it!
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238[01:23:08] <winsen> unstead Wally: you're nice
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239[01:24:12] <bibble> Are the conf settings for
'unattended-upgrades' OK in this article ?
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240[01:24:14] <bibble>
replaced-url
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241[01:24:15] <Wally> winsen first step, where was the old
config stored?
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242[01:24:34] <bhurstpdx> exit
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244[01:25:38] <winsen> unstead Wally: I don't know. why?
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245[01:26:01] <Wally> why are you calling me unstead Wally and
thinking i'm going to joke? lol
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259[01:30:06] <winsen> Wally: jaggz: I'll try. thanks for
answering
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276[01:38:29] <jaggz> ooh.. I'm booting.. I think with
amd64 and i386 both working
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279[01:39:06] <jaggz> but I changed two things.. I re-enabled
the bios no-execute feature, and switched sata to ahci instead of
raid mode
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280[01:39:22] <jaggz> not sure which of those, if any, did it
(or if I confused my usb sticks and have i386 on both of them)
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294[01:48:56] <aZz7eCh> hi guys. i am having trouble copying 41
png and pdf files to my samba server. 99.99% of the files on my
system copy over fine. any new files i make copy over fine, but any
new 'screenshot*.png' files and important pdf's from
emails, are refusing to copy over. Keep getting a rediculous dialog
saying the files dont exist... its tryign to copy them, but says
they dont exist
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296[01:50:05] <aZz7eCh> i can copy the same files to any other
location on my hdd, or to an external usb ... its only copying to
ANY samba share on my server, that they refuse
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298[01:50:51] <aZz7eCh> there are a zillion other .png files
that have copied over fine. and zillions of .pdfs aswell .. no idea
why these are giving me grief
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305[01:59:32] <suboptimal90> special characters in the title?
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311[02:04:51] <aZz7eCh> none - they're very ordinary
filenames
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312[02:04:54] <acidfoo_> hey folks ! :)
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314[02:05:12] <acidfoo_> why when I do apt-get source
libssl1.0.0, it doesn't install the same source version that is
running on my jessie machine ? thanks !
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318[02:06:30] <jmcnaught> acidfoo_: do you also have deb-src
lines for testing or unstable, maybe from backporting a package?
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319[02:07:01] <acidfoo_> everything is pointing to jessie :|
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320[02:07:06] <preaction> I'm trying to restart apache2
using "invoke-rc.d apache2 restart" and I get an error:
Failed to restart apache2.service: sysinit.target is queued,
ignoring restart request for unit apache2.service. i know
practically nothing about systemd, where do i start figuring out the
problem?
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321[02:07:50] <jmcnaught> preaction: "systemctl status
sysinit.target" is a good place to start
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322[02:08:13] <jmcnaught> preaction: is this a container or a
VPS?
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323[02:08:20] <preaction> neither
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326[02:09:33] <preaction> sysinit.target says it's both
loaded and active, but it's warning me that "Journal has
been rotated since unit was started. Log output is incomplete or
unavailable"
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329[02:11:46] <aZz7eCh> suboptimal90 ... it could actually be a
special character... ":" they all have this in their
filename. why would my server suddenly care? previously, I have
always had the network share mounted as a point. i have today canned
that and gone back to just smb://server/share which... equates to
something like /run/usr/1000/gvps/seomthing a rather ... why would
copying via standard browsing, suddenly create a problem with
":" being in the filename?
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330[02:11:56] <jmcnaught> preaction: could you try
"systemctl status apache" and put the output on
replaced-url
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332[02:13:29] <preaction> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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334[02:14:47] <jmcnaught> preaction: it is active (exited). Is
apache actually running? I doubt it would be unless you started it
some other way
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338[02:15:26] <aZz7eCh> and ... why would it have a problem with
these 41 files having ":" in their name, when all
20,000,000 photos i have in my picture folders, have ":"
in them too (timedatestamp)
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339[02:15:29] <preaction> jmcnaught: it is running, yes. likely
i or someone ran "apache2ctl -k restart"
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340[02:15:30] <jmcnaught> preaction: "systemctl
status" does it show jobs queued?
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341[02:15:41] <pseudonymous> Could anyone take a look at my
attempt at routing connections to a subnet of ip's ?
replaced-url
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347[02:17:23] <preaction> jmcnaught: yes. it appears like the
whole machine is supposed to be restarting?
replaced-url
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350[02:18:06] <preaction> also, i apparently just clicked the
right buttons to make paste.debian.net refuse to work forever... it
wants a cert, but it doesn't want a cert?
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355[02:20:12] <jmcnaught> preaction:
replaced-url
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356[02:20:13] <rubidious> Hello. I'm having some trouble
with my mouse acceleration. In the past (until today), I was always
able to adjust it with "xset m *value*", but as of an
update today I cannot (debian testing). I last updated
(dist-upgrade) near the end of june so I don't think it has to
do with xinput. Ideas?
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357[02:20:43] <preaction> jmcnaught: Safari begs me for a client
certificate, but if i give it one, it's not one from
sso.debian.net, so it doesn't work
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359[02:21:38] <bakwards> Will debian work with older computers?
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360[02:21:56] <rubidious> I should say that I did a dist-upgrade
today, but the previous dist-upgrade was in late june
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361[02:22:00] <TomTomTosch> define older.
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362[02:22:04] <jmcnaught> preaction: anyways that's a
separate browser issue. for your server, look at "systemctl
list-units" to find the failed service (probably apache2)
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364[02:22:38] <rubidious> and I should also say that xset m does
not work for some reason
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365[02:23:16] <rubidious> (after my most recent dist-upgrade)
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366[02:23:16] <preaction> jmcnaught: the only one that shows up
failed is "systemd-journal-flush.service"
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369[02:23:39] <bakwards> I am using this computer
replaced-url
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370[02:23:46] <jmcnaught> preaction: okay, look at the status
for that service
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373[02:24:38] <jmcnaught> preaction: do you know if you have a
persistent journal (in /var/log/journal)?
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374[02:25:00] <preaction> jmcnaught: /var/log/journal: No such
file or directory
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375[02:25:27] <bakwards> it's p4 cpu with 512mb of ram
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376[02:25:48] <rubidious> bakwards: it's likely it will
work, but you might have difficulty with some hardware compatibility
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377[02:26:00] <rubidious> (drivers)
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378[02:26:30] <jmcnaught> preaction: i've never seen a
situation like this, but it's starting to look like this failed
service is blocking a shutdown attempt
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380[02:26:48] <preaction> awesome!
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382[02:26:54] <rubidious> systemd++
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383[02:26:55] <jmcnaught> preaction: "systemctl
reset-failed systemd-journal-flush.service" will take it out of
failed state
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384[02:27:10] <preaction> and that'll immediately continue
the shutdown, i expect?
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385[02:27:12] <TomTomTosch> bakwards: it should work fine with a
i386 iso.
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389[02:28:22] <jmcnaught> preaction: if that's what has
happened. i'm not quite sure what it means by State: stopping
for the general status of the system
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391[02:28:53] <preaction> excellent. alright, so i'll
figure my other thing out first then try that, thanks
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392[02:29:09] <TomTomTosch> bakwards: running a desktop
environment with only 512MB ram will not be a good experience,
though.
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393[02:29:31] <bakwards> Could I use enlightenment or lxde?
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395[02:29:48] <jmcnaught> preaction: "systemctl isolate
multi-user" (or whatever "systemctl get-default"
reports) might tell systemd not to stop the system
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397[02:30:24] <jmcnaught> although i think that all of the
queued jobs are for stopping and they would run first
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398[02:30:44] <pseudonymous> Please someone help with
replaced-url
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400[02:31:42] <TomTomTosch> bakwards: sure, it's still very
tight, especially if you want to run a modern browser.
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405[02:33:50] <preaction> jmcnaught: i mean, i vaguely recall
wanting to restart the system some months ago, but i was having
trouble with proftpd and thought that it was stopping the whole
thing from shutting down, then i ... "fixed" it and it
wasn't a problem and didn't follow up on the glaring issue
of "why didn't the machine reboot when i asked it to"
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406[02:35:30] <preaction> i'm used to restart being
"Sending all processes the TERM signal... Okay, if you
haven't terminated yet, now you get the KILL signal"
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407[02:36:05] <bakwards> systemctl shutdown
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408[02:36:06] <jmcnaught> preaction: it is quite surprising that
something like this hasn't happened here
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410[02:36:51] <jmcnaught> preaction: systemd usually waits 90s
or something, then starting killing. you could try and find what
happened in the journal, but if this happened months ago it could be
long gone
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413[02:37:42] <bakwards> you can kill the pid that's faster
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416[02:37:55] <preaction> jmcnaught: that gist up there says
it's been "stopping" since 11 months ago, which means
this has been an issue since right before i took over the box, which
means it wasn't my fault! yay!
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419[02:38:43] <jmcnaught> preaction: :) it's probably long
overdue for a reboot. now's a good time to update packages,
there's definitely been kernel security updates since then
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420[02:39:02] <preaction> yeah, wouldn't hurt
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421[02:39:17] <bakwards> apt-get update
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422[02:39:41] <jmcnaught> well.. except i don't know what
will happen when dpkg tries restarting daemons that are stuck in the
queued state
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424[02:39:51] <preaction> though now i'm worried that there
may be config changes that didn't go live that might be
broken... oh well. good time to test the config management i've
been working on...
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425[02:40:00] <preaction> ah. i love relaxing weekends
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426[02:40:01] <jmcnaught> so maybe reboot, do upgrades, reboot
again if you can justify it to the boss
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430[02:41:47] <preaction> no worries there, i'm the boss.
it's a foss project: CPANTesters does test runs of all the
uploaded cpan modules
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432[02:42:18] <preaction> just have to get over that fear that
something will break, because it's a 15+ year old project
that's lacked good administration :p
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433[02:42:45] <bakwards> that's what backups are for
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435[02:42:59] <preaction> i did say "lacked good
administration" :p
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436[02:43:17] <jmcnaught> preaction: do you have serial console
or something you can use if it doesn't come back from the
reboot?
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438[02:43:49] <preaction> yeah, no worries on that front either.
it's not a "it'll be unrecoverable" fear, but
"it'll keep me up all night tracking things down"
fear
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439[02:44:13] <preaction> but since that's a stupid, lazy
fear, imma just get over it
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441[02:44:54] <jmcnaught> on the bright side you get to learn a
bunch of systemctl commands :)
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455[02:50:28] <preaction> i mean, i choose openbsd for my own
personal things (if you didn't already realize my masochism as
a perl dev and a foss volunteer). it's just that when people
are donating hardware, i'll take anything i can get, and debian
is my preferred linux flavor
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456[02:51:35] <random_numbers> Anyone knows why jitsi is not
available in the debian repos?
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457[02:52:36] <TomTomTosch> it's in sid so maybe it will
come with the next debian release.
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458[02:53:14] <random_numbers> Ah, I see. Because I even checked
in jessie-backports and didn't find it. I was wondering if it
was absent for security reasons.
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460[02:54:59] <missmbob> eek. removed from testing in 2014
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481[03:11:58] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport jitsi
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482[03:12:30] <judd> Backporting package jitsi in
sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: libjitsi, libjitsi-jni.
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487[03:15:12] <TomTomTosch> info libjitsi --release sid
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488[03:15:21] <TomTomTosch> ,info libjitsi --release sid
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489[03:15:22] <judd> No package named 'libjitsi' was
found in sid/amd64.
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491[03:15:41] <TomTomTosch> heh, i guess it will not stay in sid
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515[03:36:59] <RoyK> , sid
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516[03:37:05] <RoyK> ,sid
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517[03:37:38] <missmbob> RoyK: /msg dpkg sid
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519[03:37:53] * RoyK hates Sid
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520[03:38:04] <missmbob> so don't use it
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521[03:38:12] <RoyK> I don't
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522[03:38:26] <RoyK> kid that breaks toys
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523[03:38:34] <RoyK> I like my toys :)
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524[03:40:17] <RippyDippy> So. Where can I get many hands on
xcb-util-xrm?
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525[03:40:35] <RippyDippy> ..beside github
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528[03:41:48] <RoyK> RippyDippy: just don't mix repos -
it'll fuck up things badly
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529[03:42:10] <RippyDippy> RoyK: Sure thing. i3-gaps apparently
now requires it....
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539[03:46:01] <RoyK> RichiH: what I mean is don't mix
stable/testing/unstable - better add external repos
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549[03:51:23] <StillReal> I have a question which I'm sure
has a super simple answer, though Google isn't quite coming up
with the goods for me. I have two apps trying to access /dev/net/tun
is there a way to create a second tun device or a way for two apps
to coesist on the same device without throwing /dev/net/tun busy
errors?
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553[03:53:26] <debidi> sid is the way 2 go
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554[03:55:39] <StillReal> I guess I could put both apps inside
their own containers but that seems a little bit like overkill
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564[04:01:56] <RippyDippy> Hey guys. So I want to make my build
more secure. Its a fresh build and encrypted. I'm about to set
up a vpn. Does anyone have any recommendations?
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569[04:03:39] <socomm> RippyDippy: There are plenty of articles
out there.
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570[04:03:56] <socomm>
replaced-url
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571[04:04:12] <suboptimal90> window stick 5 off
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572[04:04:29] <socomm> RippyDippy: Also context.
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577[04:06:52] <popsch> how can I find out which package contains
ftrace to trace the linux kernel? 'apt-cache' search
didn't provide any match.
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581[04:08:00] <socomm>
replaced-url
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582[04:08:14] <socomm>
replaced-url
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583[04:08:49] <socomm> 'provides a file' would have
been better english -- as you can tell, english isn't my native
tongue
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585[04:09:19] <RippyDippy> socomm: Context? I just want to be
more sercure on the web. Leave less of a footprint. I'm
thinking of routing all my packets through tor, but I'm not
sure how practical that would be.
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590[04:11:13] <socomm> RippyDippy: You are securing a
desktop/server/{something else}?
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596[04:11:34] <RippyDippy> socomm: Ah I missed that piece of
info. Desktop
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606[04:17:59] <stoned> RippyDippy: yeah. here's a
recommendation
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608[04:18:05] <stoned> RippyDippy: stop worrying about it.
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609[04:18:23] <stoned> RippyDippy: security is an illusion. No
matter what you do, you're being watched. Make NO mistake.
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610[04:18:39] <stoned> you can play aroudn w/ these placebos all
day long... if that settles you.
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613[04:20:12] <RippyDippy> stoned: I feel like we had this
converstaion before. It's more a matter of, I would like to
THINK I'm doing something usefull..
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614[04:23:20] <stoned> It's pointless, imo. I don't
use linux because it's more secure. It's just more
intuitive as an os.
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615[04:23:28] <stoned> well kernel really, debian is the os.
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616[04:23:33] <stoned> damn good one too.
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617[04:23:41] <missmbob> the us navy doesn't do
"placebos"
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619[04:24:44] <stoned> Western civilization is a loaded gun
pointed at the head of this planet.
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620[04:24:55] <stoned> USA! USA! USA!
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621[04:25:06] <Epakai> RippyDippy: what are you trying to
achieve with your vpn? remote access to your local network? hiding
your public address?
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622[04:25:08] <missmbob> which has nothing to do with tor, so
....okay
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623[04:25:20] <stoned> It all has to do with it.
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625[04:25:51] <missmbob> us navy making tor for privacy has
something to do with the west having a gun on the planet? please
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626[04:25:57] <stoned> You are unable to see what it has to do
with it. Don't yet clai it has nothing to do with it.
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627[04:26:02] <stoned> Instead, inquire.
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629[04:26:23] <RippyDippy> Epakai: Hiding my public addrss,
though I'd like to through a proxy outside of my network which
blocks torrents etc (scoffing quietly)
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630[04:26:26] <missmbob> i was actually in the us navy when it
happened.
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633[04:26:54] <stoned> And you want a pat on your back, right?
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634[04:27:13] <missmbob> nope. just know what i'm talking
about instead of blowing gas like you
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635[04:27:35] <stoned> How do you know I wasn't in the
armed forces?
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636[04:27:51] <stoned> Eh. #debian is still full of small minded
judgmental freaks.
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637[04:27:54] <stoned> *afk*
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645[04:29:59] <RippyDippy> stoned: Umm.. You sir are infrinding
on my rights to not be offended. I'm going to have to report
you to tumblr now
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646[04:30:24] <stoned> Erg. Highlighted me! :) While we're
at it
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647[04:30:29] <stoned> PLEASE take offense.
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648[04:30:46] <stoned> What would happen if you were to take
offense? hmm? Will the sky fall? Will the cosmos cease to be?
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650[04:31:00] <stoned> Go on. Take offense. Let your mind work
for once. :)
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651[04:31:03] <stoned> *afk*
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652[04:31:26] <missmbob> i don't think you get what afk
means...
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653[04:31:29] <RippyDippy> I.. thought... I was being
adbundantly sarcastic. Maybe not enough.
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654[04:31:41] <RippyDippy> missmbob: ^^
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657[04:32:34] <stoned> I don't think you understand what it
means to not be a dbag. :) But hey. Carry on. Consistency is the
hobgoblin of small and even small minds. As is sarcasm. :)
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659[04:32:53] <stoned> Joint is done. I'm going for my
walk. Peace <3
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660[04:33:21] <missmbob> joint? so the high guy is who
we're supposed to think is being logical?
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664[04:35:54] <stoned> Vedas and Upanishads were written by
extremely stoned Hindu sages. Shrodinger, Bohr, Heisenberg and
Einsten were avid readers of the Vedic texts and Vedanta. They
understood what the psychedelic mind did, and explained it using
math and science. “This life of yours which you are living is
not merely a piece of this entire existence, but in a certain sense
the whole; only this whole is not so constituted
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665[04:35:56] <stoned> that it can be surveyed in one single
glance. This, as we know, is what the Brahmins [wise men or priests
in the Vedic tradition] express in that sacred, mystic formula which
is yet really so simple and so clear; tat tvam asi, this is you. Or,
again, in such words as “I am in the east and the west, I am
above and below, I am this entire world.” –
Schrödinger <- Ok, shoes are on. I'm out. Love you. Bye
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666[04:35:58] <stoned> bye :D
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668[04:36:15] <TomTomTosch> can't believe he hasn't
been banned yet...
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670[04:36:25] <missmbob> yeah
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671[04:36:50] <RippyDippy> TomTomTosch: Dude. We've all
been watching it for months. Hes almost become the beloved town
drunk.
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672[04:36:58] <stoned> If you are ever in the company of those
who would ask you to censor your thought, avert your gaze, take
offense or ridicule your thought, you are absolutely in the company
of crap. Make no mistake. :)
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674[04:37:38] <stoned> I'm here just to be a debian user.
You're making fun of a harmless stoner and thinking it makes
you cool in public.
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676[04:37:45] <stoned> LOL. That's really pathetic. :)
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677[04:37:57] <stoned> 1) either you get served by a stoner,
which means you're an idiot.
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678[04:38:05] <stoned> 2) You serve a stoner, which means you
are an idiot still.
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679[04:38:13] <stoned> :) Now I'm out, I'm done w/ you
imbeciles.
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680[04:38:43] <RippyDippy> xoxo
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683[04:39:57] <polyzen> wat
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686[04:41:01] <missmbob> i think what he meant to say was
"42"
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688[04:41:43] <awal1> why & how hardware acceleration (web
browsers) can be a security risk?
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689[04:42:33] <RippyDippy> awal1: Wow. Thats a refreshing change
in converstation. I too am curious if anyone knows.
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692[04:43:28] <awal1> i was away, so wan't following the
topic :P
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693[04:43:28] <preaction> webgl shaders are programs from the
internet that are run on the graphics card. so, if there's a
bug in the driver, or the hardware, there can be problems if the
shader program is malicious
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694[04:43:40] <TomTomTosch> there have been a few webgl related
exploits in the past, so it might be possible to use it to break out
of the sandbox, but meh. i wouldn't worry about it.
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695[04:43:44] <awal1> wasn'y ^
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699[04:45:10] <awal1> TomTomToach, just learned that in ubuntu
wiki, so i was curious...
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700[04:46:05] <RippyDippy> TomTomTosch: Thats interesting. Why
is it not as much of a concern? Just uncommon?
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701[04:46:45] <missmbob> google (the main webgl people) pay a
lot of money for bugs. a lot.
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706[04:48:07] <missmbob> google spends so much time on security
research they rocked the lastpass world a couple of weeks ago
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707[04:48:21] <missmbob> not even their service/software
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708[04:49:54] <TomTomTosch> there is always the possibility to
fall victim to zero-day-exploits. but such is life.
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710[04:51:28] <TomTomTosch> isn't hw acceleration enabled
on most machines anyway now? i think there is a blacklist for older
hardware that you can overwrite in settings.
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712[04:51:37] <TomTomTosch> at least in chromium.
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714[04:52:57] <missmbob> TomTomTosch: chrome://flags says
"Hardware-accelerated video decode" "Sorry, this
experiment is not available on your platform."
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717[04:53:23] <TomTomTosch> what about chrome://gpu/ ?
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718[04:54:15] <missmbob> TomTomTosch: eh, even mix, really.
replaced-url
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720[04:55:14] <deego>
replaced-url
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721[04:56:55] <missmbob> deego: why? it clearly says "it
has been fixed in"
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730[05:01:57] <deego> missmbob: type check-support-status
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731[05:02:21] <deego> ah, i guess the support is
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930[08:13:44] <SaltyAndPepper> Hey!
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935[08:15:26] <SaltyAndPepper> Anybody know how do I factory
reset settings?
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936[08:15:58] <Lowl3v3l> SaltyAndPepper, you mean your debian?
uhm... reinstall it the same way you did last time?
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938[08:16:12] <SaltyAndPepper> Lowl3v3l, I don't want to
clean install
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939[08:16:27] <SaltyAndPepper> If it matters I'm on 8.5
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942[08:17:07] <themill> Maybe you could try to explain more what
you do want
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944[08:17:45] <SaltyAndPepper> themill, Reset setings
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945[08:18:32] <themill> what settings? You're going to need
to be more specific
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946[08:18:48] <SaltyAndPepper> themill, the system settings
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947[08:18:58] <SaltyAndPepper> like Windows 8 has this reset
feature no
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948[08:19:08] <SaltyAndPepper> What does Debian have
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949[08:19:20] <themill> most people here would have no idea what
windows 8 has...
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950[08:19:29] <SaltyAndPepper> I'm a newb to Linux lol
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952[08:20:02] <SaltyAndPepper> I heard you gotta disable thign
systemd thingy
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953[08:20:15] <Lowl3v3l> SaltyAndPepper, then please describe
what you are trying to do. A full rollback is usually impossible (
like it is on windows 8), if you wanted that you could've
generated an iso snapshot of your root after the install.
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954[08:20:29] <themill> sounds like you should start reading
things written by people who know what they are talking about
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955[08:20:33] <SaltyAndPepper> Lowl3v3l, so i cant do it? :(
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957[08:20:48] <SaltyAndPepper> themill, no i just disabled
systemd and it didnt work so i enabled it back
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958[08:20:53] <Lowl3v3l> themill, +1000
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960[08:21:34] <Lowl3v3l> SaltyAndPepper, dunno wether you can do
it, you are not really clear on what you want. Though i think
themill is 120 % right and awesome on his suggestion
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961[08:21:34] <SaltyAndPepper> I read reset works with rm -rf
--no-preserve-roor but I've yet to try it
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962[08:21:57] <Lowl3v3l> SaltyAndPepper, this would recursively
delete everything...
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964[08:22:04] <themill> that's enough
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969[08:22:32] <Lowl3v3l> themill, think it was a troll? o.o
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970[08:22:41] <themill> a repeat performer
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971[08:23:09] <Lowl3v3l> oh okay
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972[08:23:32] <Lowl3v3l> idiots are gonna idiot *sigh*
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973[08:23:50] <themill> Welcome to Sunday.
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1117[10:33:18] <psicobra> hi guys im hoping some one can help i
have used linux on and off for 18 years but only as a desktop user
now i am setting up my own server i have the web and ftp server
workig fine
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1118[10:33:47] <psicobra> but i want to add an external drive so
the ftp usesr can access it i have done this with the mount--bind
command
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1119[10:34:04] <psicobra> but i wanted to automate the mountin by
adding ti to fstab
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1120[10:34:36] <psicobra> i think i have done it correctly but
either it isnt mounting or for some reason it mounts blank
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1121[10:34:56] <psicobra>
replaced-url
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1122[10:35:01] <psicobra> that is my fstab
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1123[10:35:09] <psicobra> greatful for any help
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1124[10:35:19] <dutchfish> psicobra, well, using the usb bus for
webservice storage is generally not a good idea, you can use
autmount or manually create stansas in fstab, depending if you
really need a special mountpoint
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1127[10:36:07] <psicobra> i understand its no ideal but my web
server is a crappy sff case and only room for 1 hdd
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1128[10:36:27] <psicobra> and as the main hdd is only 160gb
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1129[10:36:50] <dutchfish> psicobra, fair enough, at least you
are aware of it
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1130[10:36:55] <psicobra> is my fstab correct?
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1132[10:37:30] <psicobra> yeah to be honest this is for my
business but my company is small and most of my customers dont even
know i have a web page
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1135[10:37:35] <dutchfish> psicobra, not quiet, i wouldt mount in
media but outside your apache2/ftp but inside var
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1136[10:37:44] <psicobra> its more an exercise for me t mess
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1139[10:38:10] <dutchfish> psicobra, that way backup schedules
will pick up your mountpoint automatically\
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1141[10:38:51] <psicobra> it autom mounts in media when its
plugged in
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1142[10:39:12] <psicobra> i was trying to bind it to
.chroot/psicobra/work because the ftp server is jaied
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1143[10:39:26] <psicobra> */chroot
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1145[10:39:47] <psicobra> jailed
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1146[10:39:53] <psicobra> i cant type im sorry
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1147[10:40:00] <dutchfish> psicobra, whats important is that it
autoplugs, so that it comes back if the mount got a glitch or is
unplugged and replugged, see:
replaced-url
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1148[10:40:44] <psicobra> im thinking of scrapping this server
and maybe building another 1
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1149[10:41:02] <psicobra> mind you i still dont have a hard drive
big enough
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1150[10:41:06] <dutchfish> psicobra, use vsftpd, ftp is tricky
security wise anyway
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1151[10:41:14] <psicobra> im using sftp
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1152[10:41:20] <psicobra> ssh ftp
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1153[10:42:05] <psicobra> i did try setting up vsftp but was
having problems and was advised sftp is as secure but easier
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1154[10:42:06] <dutchfish> psicobra, vsftpd, study the code, then
decide (compared to other ftp services)
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1155[10:42:18] <psicobra> i dont code lol
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1156[10:42:25] <psicobra> im just a user
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1157[10:42:37] <dutchfish> psicobra, ok
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1158[10:42:41] <psicobra> been a fan of linux for years but only
as a desktop user
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1159[10:42:51] <psicobra> decided t do my own server
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1160[10:42:55] <dutchfish> psicobra, yes, you told so
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1161[10:43:35] <psicobra> so to fic my immediate problem and get
the drive to automount via fstab how do i fix it?
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1163[10:44:13] <dutchfish> psicobra, its either automount in
media, or a line in fstab that point to a dir in /var
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1164[10:44:28] <psicobra> what directory in var?
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1165[10:44:43] <dutchfish> psicobra, you could do something like
/var/data
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1167[10:45:00] <psicobra> im lost
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1169[10:45:04] <dutchfish> psicobra, depending on your needs
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1170[10:45:18] <dutchfish> psicobra, read the wiki link i gave
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1171[10:45:29] <psicobra> what i need is to be able to log into
my ftp server and access my external usb drive
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1172[10:45:43] <dutchfish> psicobra, ues, we got that
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1173[10:45:49] <psicobra> the users for ftp are jailed so they
cant access the system
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1174[10:46:19] <psicobra> so i need to mount --bind the usb drive
to /chroot/psicobra/work
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1175[10:46:37] <psicobra> but i really dont want to have to type
that in every time
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1176[10:46:56] <dutchfish> psicobra, on the first glitch your
chroot will be broken, you have been warned
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1177[10:47:08] <dutchfish> psicobra, dont do that
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1179[10:47:24] <psicobra> what do you mean by broken?
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1181[10:47:43] <dutchfish> psicobra, when the mount fails
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1183[10:48:09] <dutchfish> psicobra, it wont come back on a
remount
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1184[10:49:01] <psicobra> ok
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1185[10:49:28] <dutchfish> psicobra, use vsftpd if you insist on
using that iffy ftp in a chroot
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1186[10:50:07] <dutchfish> psicobra, the trouble doesnt end
there, because you probably want to use that ftp data for your
webservice
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1187[10:50:15] <psicobra> whats wrong with sftp?
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1188[10:50:20] <dutchfish> psicobra, really bad idea
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1190[10:50:34] <dutchfish> psicobra, securitywise
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1192[10:51:08] <psicobra> from everything i have read sftp is
supposed to be secure
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1193[10:51:52] <dutchfish> psicobra, there is nothing wrong (at
least if it is done right) with the protocol, but not many ftp
daemons can do it right
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1196[10:53:52] <psicobra> so start again and use vsftp
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1197[10:53:55] <psicobra> :(
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1198[10:54:02] <dutchfish> psicobra, you would safe yourself alot
of trouble by setting up sftp over encapsulated users with there
home dirs in your wanted space, you can furhter enhance ssh with
passwordless key.
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1200[10:54:30] <dutchfish> psicobra, and block root login
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1201[10:54:57] <dutchfish> psicobra, for that you wont need an
ftpd daemon at all
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1202[10:55:14] <psicobra> this all sounds way abouve my head the
primary use of the ftp server was just for mand maybe my brother
access files when away from the house
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1203[10:55:23] <psicobra> me and
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1204[10:55:38] <dutchfish> psicobra, then use ssh
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1205[10:56:09] <dutchfish> psicobra, much more secure
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1206[10:56:10] <psicobra> ok
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1208[10:56:27] <psicobra> as in ssh rather than sftp?
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1209[10:56:41] <psicobra> so i could ssh and wget?
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1210[10:56:42] <dutchfish> psicobra, sftp and ssh are the same
family
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1211[10:57:07] <psicobra> ok
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1212[10:57:26] <psicobra> but we are back to the problem of auto
mounting the usb drive
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1214[10:58:41] <dutchfish> psicobra, read the link i gave, and
maybe this one,
replaced-url
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1216[10:59:05] <dutchfish> psicobra, so yu understand what is
going on
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1217[10:59:32] <tdn> Are there any reason to use aptitude over
apt-get anymore?
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1218[11:00:11] <dutchfish> tdn, in most cases it doesnt mather,
but aptitude has some extra things when solving dependecies or
upgrades
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1219[11:00:27] <dutchfish> tdn, exaple: aptitude safe-upgrade
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1220[11:00:31] <dutchfish> example*
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1221[11:00:44] <psicobra> ok thanks dutch
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1224[11:01:12] <dutchfish> psicobra, i prefer aptitude nowadays,
but not always when dist-upgrading.
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1225[11:01:35] <dutchfish> psichas, it does a pretty good job
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1226[11:01:48] <dutchfish> oops that was for tdn
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1230[11:03:53] <tdn> dutchfish, OK. When I update packages, I
always do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Is that
good practice?
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1231[11:04:17] <tdn> Or should I rather do aptitude update
&& aptitude dist-upgrade daily instead?
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1233[11:04:37] <dutchfish> tdn, replace that with apt-get update
&& apt-get upgrade | aptitude update && aptitude
safe-upgrade
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1236[11:05:09] <dutchfish> tdn, that way you wont get surprises
when the repo points to stable and we jus had a new release
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1237[11:05:33] <tdn> Got ya.
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1238[11:05:36] <tdn> Thanks.
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1239[11:05:39] <dutchfish> yw
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1350[12:14:15] <owen> hello network manager is not working with
my evdo connection zte 8700 before it was connecting.Where it is
connecting through windows xp
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1354[12:15:43] <owen> any answer?
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1357[12:17:37] <pseudonymous> owen: you need a bit more patience.
Sometimes questions are too specific and no answer will come, other
times it takes 20 minutes - but generally you won't get an
answer within the minute
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1359[12:18:49] <owen> ok thanks waiting
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1360[12:19:11] <Lowl3v3l> owen, are you sure network-manager is
the problem? does manually setting stuff up work? are your drivers
correct?
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1362[12:20:33] <owen> hm it is provided with driver cd for
windows xp pr 8 but yes when entering setting in network manager nm
applet for wireless broadbandmobile connection it let me connect
through it
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1364[12:21:23] <owen> but now problem is modem zte 8700 is having
orange light means no network which turns green as i am conneting it
through windows xp
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1366[12:21:59] <mirak> hi. Anyone is familiar with duplicity ?
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1367[12:22:05] <Lowl3v3l> this sounds broken, sry i can't
help with it further owen
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1369[12:22:19] <owen> now i cannot able to connect using nm
applet it shows orange light
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1373[12:23:53] <owen> what is broken?modem?
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1375[12:24:09] <Lowl3v3l> owen, dunno as i said.
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1378[12:26:21] <owen> ah ok ok i guess there is new way of
communication strings between modem ..pc and ISP broke my use my
connection on linux?My isp do not want me to use linux?
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1381[12:27:15] <owen> nmapplet works on wvdial? or i try using it
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1382[12:30:07] <owen> is it possible a working evdo modem
connection on debian stops but still let connect through M$?
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1384[12:30:52] <pseudonymous> owen: While there's certainly
sometimes some baffling IT decisions being made - there's
probably no chance that your ISP would deliberately work on breaking
things for Linux users. Moreover, most communication protocols are
standardized
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1386[12:31:36] <pseudonymous> TL;DR - most likely, you're
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he have any new configuration as last one was working and old driver
for widows still works so asking them for the help
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1609[15:06:11] <klaas> does initramfs for nfsroot support bonded
interfaces? I somehow don't find any information on that
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1621[15:13:01] <goldkatze> Hi :-)
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1622[15:13:20] <RoyK> ho
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1623[15:13:44] <goldkatze> Searching for system-wide equaliser
for pulseaudio-alsa stack, cant find an appropriate package in
Debian, though -- any hints?
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1634[15:19:21] <linuxthefish> hi, when running smbpasswd i get a
segmentation fault - "segfault at 10 ip b6099788 sp bf8d3730
error 4 in libnettle.so.4.7[b6077000+33000]"
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1635[15:19:47] <winsen> hi all
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1637[15:20:34] <winsen> can you please tell me how can I show
network list in my area with netwrok manager?
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1645[15:25:14] <goldkatze> winsen: depends on interface you use?
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1649[15:28:19] <goldkatze> winsen: try sth like: nmcli dev wifi
list
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1654[15:29:51] <winsen> goldkatze: hi, is that command line?
because I need it on GUI
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1657[15:31:45] <winsen> goldkatze: are you still there? how do we
call when you configure network interfaces manually?
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1659[15:33:12] <goldkatze> Yes, it's a terminal command;
might have to be preceded with "nmcli dev wifi on";
I'm not sure, as I don't use network-manager (am using
connman). As for GUI, install plasma-nm and/or
plasma-widget-networkmanagement, if using KDE, and use those
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1661[15:33:28] <winsen> goldkatze: nmcli dev wifi list shows the
list but I'd prefer to see it on network manager
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1663[15:34:18] <winsen> I am using Gnme
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1664[15:34:28] <winsen> gnome
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1665[15:34:40] <winsen> debian8
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1666[15:34:55] <goldkatze> winsen: Networkmanager and the
alternative connman are system daemons, running in background,
somewhat like a driver -- you dont see them. You need to use some
sort of interface, either terminal (nmcli, for instance) or
graphical, like plasma-nm or network-manager-gnome
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1670[15:35:47] <goldkatze> Frankly, try searching the internet --
I bet there are a ton of tutorials and howtos on network-manager
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1672[15:37:35] <winsen> goldkatze: how can I switch between the
two system network and network manager, connman, wicd..?
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1676[15:39:13] <winsen> between NM and system network?
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1677[15:39:19] <goldkatze> winsen: First, download all install
files you might need when playing around with networking: sudo
aptitude -d install [everything you might need]
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1679[15:39:52] <goldkatze> winsen: Then, remove the -d. sudo
aptitude install connman; aptitude uninstall wicd; and so forth
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1682[15:40:22] <goldkatze> To use neither, just uninstall them,
or stopp their services: sudo service connman stop
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1687[15:41:20] <winsen> I know that is not useless to have both
wicd and network manager for example due to eventual conflict but
not with system network right?
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1694[15:42:35] <winsen> goldkatze: 'stop connman' will
stop all networking service?
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1696[15:43:10] <goldkatze> I'd decide for one way to do
networking. Traditional (/etc/network), or managed (nm, connman,
wicd). You don't need to uninstall /etc/network to use managers
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1698[15:44:25] <goldkatze> Well, no. It'll stop connman,
which manages your networking. It wont stop networking itself, you
can always manager that yourself, using ifconfig/route/ip,
iwconfig/iw/wpa_supplicant, iptables, …
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1701[15:44:54] <awal1> winsen, you can have wicd, nm and connman
installed in same machine (I do sometimes). But only run one off
them; disable others (sysstemctl disable
network-manager.service/connman.service), or stop them (systemctl
stop connman.service ..., depends on what you want
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1709[15:46:30] <awal1> or dont use them all, and manage your
networking via /etc/network/interfaces
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1711[15:47:03] <winsen> goldkatze: I agree. but sometimes.
It's useful to have alternative in case
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1713[15:48:00] <winsen> awall: hi, what kind of tool used to
manage them all. how do you stop each of one?
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1714[15:48:37] <goldkatze> winsen: I'd say, if you have to
ask those questions: network-manager is most common, followed by
wicd I'd say, trailed by connman. Try them in that order, for
least hassle. Whichever you end up in the long run, manual config
will always work: just stop the manager, and fix it yourself. then
you have networking back up, and can figure out a proper, managed
solution. that might be best approach for an inexperienced user :-)
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1717[15:49:34] <goldkatze> winsen: man systemctl && man
service
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1719[15:50:37] <awal1> winsen, if you have network-manager, wicd
and connman and you paln to use wicd disable others (systemctl
disable network-manager.service connman.service) (you can avoid
.service)
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1721[15:50:59] <winsen> How can I disable
'/etc/network/interfaces' when I am using network manager
for example? should I just add '#' on the list r...?
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1722[15:51:01] <awal1> that will prevent nm&conman from being
loaded at boot
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1724[15:51:23] <awal1> just comment what you have added
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1725[15:52:00] <bakwards> with a #
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1727[15:52:24] <winsen> Now I am using netwok manager and
I'd like to add '/etc/network/interfaces' and swich
between the two
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1729[15:52:56] <winsen> I think it's enough
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1731[15:53:23] <winsen> I didn't try wicd
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1732[15:53:42] <awal1> I use wicd
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1733[15:53:46] <winsen> nor connman
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1735[15:54:19] <gr8> hi, I am trying to set up LVM using
system-config-lvm. when I try to initialize a block device, I get
"The path you specified does not exist.". Any ideas?
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1736[15:54:35] <awal1> for me, wicd works better for wifi
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1737[15:54:52] <bakwards> means your path is not valid
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1738[15:55:12] <winsen> do you know how can I show graphically
netwok list in my area with netwrk manager by the way?
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1739[15:55:53] <winsen> awall?
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1740[15:56:13] <awal1> winsen, install network-manager-gnome pkg
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1741[15:56:41] <awal1> if you run gnome, xfce, lxde or any other
WM
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1743[15:56:47] <winsen> goldkatze: "man systemctl &&
man service" ?
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1749[15:58:01] <awal1> that for learn about systemctl and
service. check that as normal user when you want, winsen
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1750[15:58:15] <awal1> man = manual
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1753[16:00:06] <awal1> winsen, also there are cli frontends for
NM
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1756[16:01:27] <winsen> goldkatze, awall: I'll try them.
thank you
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1758[16:01:50] <winsen> awall: cli frontends?
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1763[16:03:22] <winsen> awall: you didn't tell if you used
any special tool t manage three (nm, wicd connman)?
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1764[16:03:37] <awal1> Command Line Interface
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1765[16:03:55] <awal1> winsen, I use wicd
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1769[16:04:48] <bakwards> Will systemd replace grub as a
bootloader?
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1770[16:04:51] <awal1> wicd installs by default wicd-gtk, a gtk
frontend fow wicd
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1771[16:04:53] <winsen> awall: ok just : sysstemctl disable
network-manager.service for instance?
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1773[16:05:38] <awal1> winsen, open a terminal as regula user,
not root and run man systemctl
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1774[16:05:53] <awal1> check disable , stop explications
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1777[16:07:08] <winsen> awall: what about 'sysstemctl stop
network-manager.service' do you think this could have conflict
if you switched to wicd or connman once you reboot a machine?
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1780[16:08:20] <winsen> awall: ok, I'll try. the best way to
be sure
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1781[16:08:28] <awal1> winsen, nm, wicd, connman/interfaces may
conflict when running at same time
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1784[16:09:04] <awal1> for avoid conflict, just run one, stop or
disable other
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1785[16:09:18] <awal1> in your case disable is more suitable
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1786[16:09:24] <winsen> I mean when you just say 'stop'
service instead of 'disable'
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1788[16:09:51] <winsen> I see ok
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1789[16:09:55] <awal1> disable will prevent that service from
starting when you boot your system
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1791[16:10:28] <awal1> stop you use it once your system is booted
yet, including that service
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1792[16:11:05] <winsen> awall: how do you show network list on nm
graphically?
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1794[16:11:54] <awal1> winsen, I told you: install the package
called network-manager-gnome
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1795[16:12:14] <winsen> awal1: "stop you use it once your
system is booted yet, including that service:" exactly what I
meant.
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1796[16:12:28] <awal1> you will get an icon in your systemtray
for manage your net
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1797[16:12:50] <winsen> awall: however that's what I
installed network-manager-gnome
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1799[16:13:18] <winsen> I'll try to reinstall it
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1800[16:13:25] <awal1> winsen, coffe time here , sorry. I told
you check the manual (man systemctl) ; you'll find a better
explanation
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1801[16:13:47] <winsen> awall: you've been helpfull man.
thanks
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1805[16:16:05] <SpeedyG> nmcli is quite nice when you learn to
work with it :)
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1809[16:17:38] <awal1> winsen, if you're not familiar with
many debian stuff, the best way is: make a standard install (install
X desktop task), create a VM for debian and play there; when you
done prefectly apply in real hardware
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1832[16:30:59] <iflema> o/
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1837[16:32:44] <tdn> What is the easiest way of getting
subversion 1.8 on wheezy? I see that it is in wheezy-backports (replaced-url
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1873[16:58:21] <OrbsTheorem> Hello, I'm trying to install
debian on a harddrive from which I cannot boot
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1874[16:58:59] <nemesis545> you have iso's in the hard drive
? OrbsTheorem
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1875[16:58:59] <OrbsTheorem> I'm planning to kexec into it.
If I install the base set of packages with aptitude in a custom
root, would that work?
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1876[16:59:14] <OrbsTheorem> the hd is completely empty
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1882[17:00:25] <nemesis545> what item can boot? lan, cdrom?
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1883[17:01:03] <OrbsTheorem> It's a cloud droplet, it can
only boot the preinstalled system
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1884[17:01:33] <OrbsTheorem> but I just attached a new volume,
created a luks volume and a new filesystem
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1886[17:01:59] <OrbsTheorem> so my idea is to kexec into this
disk from initramfs
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1890[17:03:00] <OrbsTheorem> I've done similar stuff on
archlinux with pacstrap, but I'm not installing arch on a
server :)
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1891[17:03:46] <OrbsTheorem> but, I don't know if telling
aptitude to install the base packages in a custom root will suffice
or debian has boot-specific stuff
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1899[17:08:10] <OrbsTheorem> anyone?
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1907[17:10:23] <eSa|> OrbsTheorem my best has been a netinstall
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1908[17:11:18] <OrbsTheorem> my problem is that I cannot boot a
CD nor I don't have a screen/console
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1910[17:12:26] <OrbsTheorem> I mean, I could kexec into the cd,
but I doubt the installer would be able to mount my volume
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1914[17:12:56] <OrbsTheorem> besides, I wouldn't be able to
speak to the installer, as kexec'ing would kill my ssh
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1915[17:13:39] <eSa|> I don't know what kexec is
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1918[17:14:45] <OrbsTheorem> kexec is a way of executing another
kernel on the fly. Basically like a hot reboot in which (roughly)
the processor starts executing instructions of the new kernel
without ever returning back from it
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1919[17:15:18] <OrbsTheorem>
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1921[17:15:43] <nemesis545> mmm and chroot ?
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1922[17:15:52] <eSa|> I see
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1923[17:16:09] <OrbsTheorem> chroot changes the process execution
context, but the kernel is still the same
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1926[17:16:59] <bakwards> A chroot is a way of isolating
applications from the rest of your computer, by putting them in a
jail. This is particularly useful if you are testing an application
which could potentially alter important system files, or which may
be insecure.
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1927[17:20:20] <eSa|> OrbsTheorem: you could try virtualization
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1928[17:21:22] <OrbsTheorem> I think I need processor to be in
hypervisor mode for that
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1933[17:21:54] <OrbsTheorem> I don't think I can be in
hypervisor mode if there's already an hypervisor abode me
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1936[17:22:35] <OrbsTheorem> I'm thinking in just copying my
curent rootfs into the drive and then cleaning it up. But I fear
it's too dirty..
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1938[17:22:47] <OrbsTheorem> I mean, I have tons of packages I
don't use anymore...
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1939[17:22:55] <teraflops> OrbsTheorem: you can do nested kvm as
in virtmanager running in a kvm VM
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1940[17:23:12] <teraflops> s/do/try. it works here
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1945[17:24:20] <OrbsTheorem> hmm, that's an option. I could
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1960[17:36:03] <duelle> Hello, how is the encrypted volume
feature using a random key supposed to be used? Is there a guide or
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1978[17:46:45] <OrbsTheorem> debootstrap is what I was looking
for :D
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1981[17:47:39] <OrbsTheorem> now, let's just figure out how
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1990[17:50:58] <OrbsTheorem> I'm reading the manpage, any
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pacstrap (I read you come from archlinux)
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2004[18:00:58] <OrbsTheorem> teraflops: yep, just want to make
sure about syntax and that it will actually do what I want
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2005[18:01:09] <OrbsTheorem> what is the second stage for?
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2010[18:04:48] <nikoma> Can somebody help me understand this
definition?
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2011[18:04:51] <nikoma>
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2012[18:04:59] <nikoma> what exactly is \underline{M}?
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2013[18:05:12] <nikoma> To me it seems that simply \underline{M}
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2014[18:05:22] <duelle> nikoma: That is LateX. And underline
defines the 'M' as being underlined.
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2015[18:05:35] <nikoma> I know, I typed it up
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2017[18:05:49] <nikoma> I am having conceptual problems about the
definition
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2018[18:05:53] <nikoma> not typesetting
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2021[18:06:45] <duelle> Ah ok, sorry nikoma.
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2022[18:06:59] <OrbsTheorem> from what I understand \underline{M}
is the name they use for the set entrained by multiplication of two
monoids
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2025[18:07:50] <nikoma> so, right M-action is a function - \cdot
- : M x M -> M, and the M-set is then simply M, right?
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2027[18:07:59] <nikoma> or where am I misunderstanding this?
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2028[18:08:23] <duelle> Hello, how is the encrypted volume
feature using a random key supposed to be used? Is there a guide or
detailed explanation somewhere?
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2029[18:08:48] <OrbsTheorem> nikoma: Xes, I think so
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2030[18:09:24] <OrbsTheorem> Although I'm not sure if M =
\underline{M}
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2031[18:09:50] <nikoma>
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2032[18:09:50] <OrbsTheorem> it is true if the multiplication is
closed (stable), but I don't know the context :)
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2034[18:10:11] <nikoma> if we go by this definition for example,
then M = G = S, so M = \underline{M}?
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2040[18:11:36] <nikoma> OrbsTheorem: I will screenshot the
context ok?
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2044[18:12:39] <OrbsTheorem> okay
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2047[18:14:27] <nikoma> OrbsTheorem: Here's the context
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2049[18:14:55] <OrbsTheorem> got a counter example: Let M be the
set of imaginary numbers. The product of both elements is not in the
imaginary set, but in the real
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2050[18:15:33] <nikoma> counterexample to what?
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2052[18:15:50] <nikoma> to \underline{M} = M?
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2053[18:15:58] <OrbsTheorem> to MxM=\underline{M} =>
M=\underline{M}
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2061[18:18:43] <nikoma> It's so strange, I mean by
definition we have that the right M-set (i.e. \underline{M}) is
equal to the first set in the cartesian product M x M, i.e.
\underline{M}
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2063[18:18:47] <nikoma> = M
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2064[18:19:12] <nikoma> I forgot to close the parenthesis in the
previous post :(
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2065[18:19:36] <nikoma> oh, I didn't
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2067[18:19:43] <nikoma> right?
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2071[18:20:44] <OrbsTheorem> post? which post? xD euh, I
don't see how the definition is in conflict with what you
published
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2072[18:21:18] <nikoma> I just don't understand the purpose
of the definition at all.
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2073[18:21:40] <nikoma> What do we get by introducing
\underline{M} when in fact M = \underline{M}?
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2074[18:22:15] <OrbsTheorem> can you probe M = \underline{M}?
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2075[18:22:28] <OrbsTheorem> Im still not sure about it
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2076[18:22:57] <nikoma> that's why I probably misunderstand
the definition because to me M = \underline{M} follows trivially
from the definition
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2078[18:23:58] <OrbsTheorem> from the definition one can say they
don't have the same dimension
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2080[18:24:21] <OrbsTheorem> MxM = M^2 /= M
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2081[18:24:44] <OrbsTheorem> yeah, that's it
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2082[18:24:53] <OrbsTheorem> they're are not the same kind
of object
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2090[18:26:22] <OrbsTheorem> if for every element of M you have M
different "M-actions" that implies you have a total of M*M
elements
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2092[18:26:46] <OrbsTheorem> the set of sets of M-actions is
\underline{m}
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2093[18:27:01] <OrbsTheorem> (That's a way of seing it)
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2096[18:27:21] <nikoma> Ok, let me state how I understand it, in
general let us have a monoid M, a set S, a right M-action S x M
-> S, then the right M-set is equal to S
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2097[18:27:55] <nikoma> In our case we have S = M (with forgotten
structure)
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2098[18:27:58] <nikoma> so
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2099[18:28:04] <nikoma> \underline{M} = M
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2102[18:29:35] <OrbsTheorem> I still don't see why the M-set
is equal to S
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2108[18:30:06] <nikoma> That's the definition of the M-set
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2110[18:30:13] <nikoma> or do I have a wrong definition?
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2112[18:30:29] <nikoma> what's the definition of M-set?
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2113[18:31:04] <OrbsTheorem> I don't know, I'm just
using the property you told me MxM=>M^2+
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2114[18:31:27] <nikoma> I don't know what property that is
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2116[18:31:44] <OrbsTheorem> the M-set is the first quadrant in
the cartesian plane
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2117[18:31:45] <nikoma> I am using the definition from here
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2119[18:32:14] <nikoma> what's the cartesian plane for
general monoids?
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2121[18:32:35] <nikoma> I am using the definition from here
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2122[18:32:37] <nikoma>
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2123[18:32:44] <nikoma> maybe the definition differs for monoids?
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2125[18:32:54] <OrbsTheorem> 18:18 < nikoma> It's so
strange, I mean by definition we have that the right M-set (i.e.
\underline{M}) is equal to the first set in the cartesian product M
x M, i.e. \underline{M}
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2127[18:33:46] <nikoma> well, that simply means \underline{M} = M
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2134[18:35:10] <OrbsTheorem> I'm sorry, you're right,
if f(x,s) belongs to S, then f goes to S
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2135[18:36:22] <OrbsTheorem> then MxM=>M <=> S=M
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2137[18:37:00] <nikoma> What does MxM=>M mean?
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2139[18:37:41] <OrbsTheorem> there is a map that takes two
elements of M and arrives at M
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2156[18:42:34] <eSa|> dpkg-query: attenzione: analisi del file
"/var/lib/dpkg/status" vicino alla riga 53262 pacchetto
"linux-image-2.6.32": errore nel campo stringa
"Version" "matsui.1.0": il numero di versione
non inizia con una cifra
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2157[18:42:49] <eSa|> can I manually correct such a package?
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2166[18:44:48] <nikoma> oh my god, I thought I was in ##math,
sorry everyone for posting here
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2167[18:45:00] <eSa|> the error says that the version
doesn't start with a number
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2169[18:45:06] <OrbsTheorem> gg
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2170[18:45:11] <eSa|> gg
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2171[18:45:12] <OrbsTheorem> nikoma: gg ^^
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2250[19:21:52] <Olivier> Hello, I would like to install debian
but I have a little problem : When I try to install debian, I have a
message error about a release file
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2252[19:22:42] <Olivier> can you help me please ?
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2259[19:26:39] <Olivier> anybody ?
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2260[19:26:45] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, could you try being a little
bit more specific? which iso do you use? did you verify a hashsum?
when does the error pop up? what is the exact error message?
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2262[19:28:26] <Olivier> the error message is : the file release
can't be found
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2264[19:28:50] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, and when do you get this
message? when booting the iso?
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2265[19:29:12] <Olivier> no, after the choice of the language of
the keyboard
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2266[19:29:16] <Olivier> in the installation
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2269[19:29:59] <Lowl3v3l> what about my other questions?
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2270[19:30:16] <Olivier> Lowl3v3l : and now, I can't install
debian
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2271[19:31:24] <Olivier> oh sorry, I use a iso with kde on it
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2272[19:31:40] <Olivier> I not verify a hashsum
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2274[19:32:07] <Lowl3v3l> "a iso with kde on it"... wow
how specific. A testing image? or jessie?
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2276[19:32:19] <Lowl3v3l> i'd suggest using the netinstaller
whenever possible though
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2277[19:32:24] <Olivier> Jessie
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2278[19:32:31] <Lowl3v3l> and verifying the image would be a good
step
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2279[19:32:44] <missmbob> Lowl3v3l: he was here yesterday with
the same thing. using all sorts of fucked up ways to make a usb
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2281[19:32:58] <Olivier> I make a usb
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2282[19:33:00] <Olivier> finally
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2283[19:33:02] <missmbob> rufus, unetbootin, you name it.
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2284[19:33:15] <Olivier> it's okay
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2285[19:33:25] <Olivier> I make a usb with unetbootin
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2286[19:33:27] <Lowl3v3l> missmbob, oh what could POSSIBLY go
wrong with those? xD
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2287[19:33:32] <missmbob> it's not okay. that's what i
told you yesterday
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2288[19:33:34] <missmbob> you just don't listen
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2289[19:33:36] <Olivier> and I have a problem with the iso..
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2290[19:33:37] <missmbob> !unetbootin
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2291[19:33:38] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
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2292[19:33:40] <missmbob> read that. again
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2293[19:33:44] <missmbob> for fucks sake
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2295[19:34:05] <Olivier> hey, I try to use unetbootin but I
remember what you say
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2296[19:34:20] <Olivier> I use a program on ubuntu on the
computer of a friend
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2297[19:34:22] <Lowl3v3l> missmbob, wow you found the problem.
i'd have taken some more time to figure it out.
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2298[19:34:29] <missmbob> and you wonder why it's broken
when i told you it'd be broken?
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2301[19:34:46] <Olivier> I have a error message in the
installation
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2302[19:34:51] <missmbob> no shit
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2303[19:35:06] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, when you ask for advice , are
told why it doesn't work and STILL try the same thing again...
well this doesn't make you seem to clever ;)
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2304[19:35:06] <Olivier> about the file release
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2305[19:35:37] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, do it in a decent manner, use
dd, verify both checksums ( iso + website and stick + website) and
then go on from there...
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2306[19:36:36] <Olivier> I tried everything and now the file
release can't be found
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2310[19:37:14] <Olivier> by the installation program
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2311[19:37:19] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, obviously you didn't try
the right thing , and that'd be using the fucking tool that was
MADE exactly for such situations and is the only known tool to do
the job well : dd.
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2314[19:39:39] <Olivier> okay but I need help for this because I
can't make a thing correctly
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2318[19:40:13] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, oh there is a tool to help
you. Its called "man". type "man dd" in a
terminal and be amazed.
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2319[19:40:49] <eSa|> FrankenDebian and I may become friends ...
:=)
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2320[19:41:27] <Olivier> okay and after ?
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2321[19:41:47] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, after reading the manpage you
will know what to do.
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2322[19:41:50] <TomTomTo1> Olivier: open a terminal, run cp
/path/to/iso /dev/sdX; sync; where sdX is your usb device. done.
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2324[19:42:24] <missmbob> yesterday he was on windows. fyi. so i
told him about win32diskimager
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2326[19:42:43] <Olivier> I use a computer of a friend
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2327[19:42:44] <missmbob> !win32diskimager
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2328[19:42:44] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
replaced-url
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2330[19:42:54] <Olivier> I make a usb
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2331[19:43:02] <Olivier> the problem is the iso of the usb
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2332[19:43:06] <Olivier> the installation
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2333[19:43:11] <Olivier> it's not the usb
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2334[19:43:13] <missmbob> no. the probably is how you made the
usb
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2335[19:43:17] <missmbob> jesus. i give up
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2336[19:43:17] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, nope the iso is you use the
wrong fucking tool for fucks sake.
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2337[19:43:25] <missmbob> problem*
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2338[19:43:35] <Olivier> do you want a screenshot of my tool
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2339[19:43:37] <Olivier> ?
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2340[19:43:37] <Lowl3v3l> missmbob, little reality check : is my
english that bad?
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2342[19:44:01] <missmbob> Lowl3v3l: he's french and refuses
to join the french channel. yeah, we tried
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2343[19:44:04] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, we ALREADY know that
unetbootin is a worthless waste of harddrive space.
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2344[19:44:16] <Olivier> I don't use unetbootin
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2345[19:44:27] <missmbob> so now you're a liar
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2346[19:44:31] <Lowl3v3l> missmbob, oh thats sad :( though being
french is no reason to not... you know, listen.
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2347[19:45:15] <Olivier> I use a computer of a friend, her
computer is on ubuntu
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2348[19:45:20] <Olivier> i use multiwriter
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2349[19:45:23] <RippyDippy> Is it possible to set a solid
background color using feh?
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2350[19:45:24] <TomTomTo1> Olivier: open a terminal, run cp
/path/to/iso /dev/sdX; sync; where sdX is your usb device. done.
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2351[19:45:25] <missmbob> STOP
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2352[19:45:31] <missmbob> listen to what TomTomTo1 said
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2353[19:45:49] <missmbob> Olivier: asking for advice and not
using is so frustrating.
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2354[19:46:12] <bakwards> you can use dd
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2357[19:46:37] <Olivier>
replaced-url
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2358[19:46:41] <Lowl3v3l> bakwards, been there, done that.
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2359[19:46:43] <Olivier> the screenshot
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2361[19:47:14] <bakwards> rufus is good if you are on windows
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2362[19:47:16] <missmbob> Olivier: why cant you listen? please.
do what TomTomTo1 said
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2363[19:47:17] <missmbob> no!
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2364[19:47:19] <missmbob> !rufus
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2365[19:47:19] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use
with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and
unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about
<hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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2366[19:47:23] <missmbob> never rufus
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2367[19:47:35] <Olivier> it's not rufus !
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2368[19:47:37] <TomTomTo1> Olivier: open a terminal, run cp
/path/to/iso /dev/sdX; sync; where sdX is your usb device. done.
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2369[19:47:41] <Olivier> I make cp
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2370[19:47:42] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, we do not give a shit about
your screenshot... If you are unable to understand basic english
then PLEASE join some french channel or what the fuck else.
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2371[19:47:43] <Olivier> i do it
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2373[19:47:45] <missmbob> i'm losing my goddamn mind
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2374[19:48:05] <Lowl3v3l> missmbob, want to cry on my shoulder? i
seem to be strong still! :D
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2376[19:48:34] <jmcnaught> Lowl3v3l: it's okay to be
frustrated but please don't be mean
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2378[19:48:50] <jmcnaught> Olivier: have you read the
instructions at
replaced-url
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2380[19:49:20] <Olivier> jmcnaught : yes I read the instructions
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2382[19:49:31] <Olivier> I use a other program for the usb on
ubuntu
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2385[19:49:47] <jmcnaught> Olivier: if you're on a linux
computer, us the cp command as documented there. _do not_ use any
other program.
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2386[19:50:02] <Olivier> I try but it's not work
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2387[19:50:09] <Olivier> I try since 10 minutes
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2388[19:50:19] <jmcnaught> Olivier: what was the exact command
that you typed? what happened when you typed it?
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2389[19:50:23] <Olivier> I make a usb but I have a problem with
the installation
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2390[19:50:25] <TomTomTo1> Olivier: then give us the error msg.
also, you have to be root.
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2393[19:51:35] <Olivier> i have a problem with my root
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2394[19:51:47] <Olivier> I enter the correct password but
it's not work
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2397[19:52:33] <jmcnaught> Olivier: what command did you use to
become root?
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2398[19:52:37] <Olivier> su -
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2399[19:52:54] <jmcnaught> Olivier: and you entered the root
password (which is different than the user password)?
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2405[19:53:37] <Olivier> It's the same password for my user
accound
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2406[19:53:38] <Olivier> t
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2408[19:53:44] <missmbob> is it on ubuntu? i thought root was
disabled by default and just left with sudo
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2409[19:53:52] <Olivier> I try with sudo
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2412[19:54:01] <Olivier> but it's don't work
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2414[19:54:11] <Olivier> I tried man dd
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2415[19:54:30] <Lowl3v3l> missmbob, well you could sudo su, but
the password is invalidated, yes
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2419[19:55:00] <Olivier> I can't enter in root, I can use
only sudo
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2422[19:55:40] <Olivier> But i want to know how can i found the
file : release
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2423[19:55:49] <Olivier> this file can't be found on my iso
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2424[19:55:51] <missmbob> heh
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2425[19:56:00] <Olivier> ..
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2427[19:56:41] <Olivier> missmbob, yes ?
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2437[19:58:08] <TomTomTo1> Olivier: sudo cp /path/to/iso
/dev/sdX; sync; where sdX is your usb device.
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2439[19:58:18] <Olivier> hold on...
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2440[19:58:29] <Olivier> I enter the name of my usb ?
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2441[19:58:30] <jmcnaught> Olivier: and if that doesn't
work, please show us the error message
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2442[19:58:44] <Olivier> hold on I take a picture
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2444[19:59:09] <jmcnaught> Olivier:
replaced-url
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2449[19:59:54] <Olivier> hold on...
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2451[20:01:46] <Olivier> jmcnaught : the cd-rom does not seem a
valid release file or that file could not be read correctlyt
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2452[20:01:49] <Olivier> I have this
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2453[20:02:35] <Olivier> this is the excact error
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2455[20:02:53] <TomTomTo1> because you used the wrong program to
create it. you have to use cp.
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2456[20:03:00] <TomTomTo1> Olivier, run sudo fdisk -l first and
check what device path your usb has. could be /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc
...
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2458[20:03:25] <Olivier> okay
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2460[20:04:04] <jmcnaught> Olivier: do you understand that we
think this problem was caused by *how* you copied the the ISO file
to the USB? We're asking you to do it using the method
documented in the install manual chapter i linked you to above.
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2462[20:05:16] <Olivier> yes and no, I think you understand now
but before no because a person told to me : i'm a liar
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2463[20:05:43] <Olivier>
replaced-url
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2465[20:06:25] <Olivier> TomTomTol:
replaced-url
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2466[20:06:29] <missmbob> no usb on there
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2467[20:06:53] <Olivier> oh sorry, I disconnect the usb,
it's my error
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2468[20:06:55] <jmcnaught> Olivier: did you run "fdisk
-l" on your friend's Ubuntu computer, or did you run it
from within the Debian Installer ?
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2470[20:07:08] <Olivier> yes
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2471[20:07:14] <jmcnaught> Olivier: which one?
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2472[20:07:18] <Olivier> sorry,I disconnect the usb it's my
error
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2475[20:08:33] <Olivier>
replaced-url
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2476[20:08:55] <Olivier> now I connect the usb
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2478[20:09:34] <jmcnaught> Olivier: so the command you want to
use is "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb" (do not add a number after
sdb)
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2479[20:09:35] <missmbob> Olivier: sudo cp installer.iso /dev/sdb
(NOT /dev/sdb1)
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2480[20:09:49] <jmcnaught> yes.. with sudo
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2481[20:10:17] <Olivier> p: impossible d'évaluer
'installer.iso': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
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2482[20:10:35] <TomTomTo1> you have to give the correct path and
file name.
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2483[20:10:36] <jmcnaught> Olivier: you need to use the actually
file name of the ISO file that you downloaded
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2485[20:10:49] <Olivier> jmcnaught : oh...
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2487[20:11:10] <awal1> Olivier, as french spoken, you may want to
use #debian-fr. you may be better served
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2488[20:11:12] <Olivier> so if the name of the iso is :
debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso
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2489[20:11:16] <Olivier> The command is ?
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2490[20:11:34] <awal1> Olivier, where is your debian iso image?
in Téléchargement ?
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2491[20:11:40] <missmbob> Olivier: full stop. you're using
live?
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2492[20:11:45] <Olivier> no
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2493[20:11:47] * missmbob forsees uefi issues
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2494[20:11:59] <missmbob> what do you mean no? you posted a live
iso
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2495[20:12:07] <Olivier> I don't know because in the menu of
the iso i have install
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2497[20:12:23] <Olivier> and a friend of this channel give me
this iso
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2499[20:12:33] <Olivier> his name is dae or other name
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2500[20:13:01] <jmcnaught> Olivier: debian live images are not
recommended for installing, the biggest reason is that they do not
support UEFI. Please download an installer ISO instead. Is this a
laptop computer?
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2501[20:13:11] <Olivier> yes
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2502[20:13:16] <jmcnaught> !firmware image
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2503[20:13:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
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2505[20:13:28] <jmcnaught> Olivier: please download that image ^^
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2506[20:13:30] <Olivier> but in the installation, debian
don't detect internet connection
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2507[20:13:49] <Olivier> I download everything
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2508[20:13:50] <Olivier> ?
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2509[20:14:03] <jmcnaught> Olivier: the firmware image that dpkg
linked to above is much more likely to work with wifi
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2510[20:14:17] <Olivier> okay but how can I install this
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2511[20:14:23] <Olivier> this is not a iso
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2514[20:15:08] <awal1> Olivier, I suggest you something: cn you
forget all what you have done before and start newly?
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2515[20:15:14] <Olivier> yes
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2516[20:15:18] <TomTomTo1> awal1: psht.
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2517[20:15:20] <Olivier> I have the same idea
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2519[20:15:36] <TomTomTo1> Olivier:
replaced-url
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2520[20:15:49] <awal1> cTomTomTo1, he is asking about the same
problem since 3 days now :P
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2521[20:16:10] <awal1> so I thought that it's better he
start from 0
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2522[20:16:19] <TomTomTo1> we had been there.
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2523[20:16:34] <Olivier> yes it's true
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2524[20:16:35] <missmbob> Olivier: so then the command would be
sudo cp firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb after you download
that iso
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2525[20:16:42] <missmbob> Olivier: then sudo sync
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2526[20:16:44] <Olivier> okay
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2528[20:17:08] <Olivier> so if I understand, this iso is to
install debian for wifi ?
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2529[20:17:13] <TomTomTo1> yes
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2530[20:17:16] <Olivier> okay
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2531[20:17:21] <jmcnaught> more or less
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2532[20:17:23] <missmbob> and hope to god you don't have
secure boot
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2535[20:17:43] <Olivier> missmbob : don't worry...
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2538[20:17:51] <awal1> Olivier, when the image you download will
be saved in /home/Olivier/Téléchargement ?
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2539[20:17:59] <Olivier> yes
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2540[20:18:07] <Olivier> the image is downloaded
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2542[20:18:28] <Olivier> in
/home/Olivier/Téléchargements
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2543[20:18:56] <Olivier> and after I enter this : sudo cp
firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb?
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2544[20:19:02] <TomTomTo1> Olivier: open a terminal, run cd
/home/Olivier/Téléchargements; first.
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2545[20:19:17] <awal1> Olivier so open a terminal and execute cp
/home/Olivier/Téléchargement /dev/sdb ; sync
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2546[20:19:32] <Olivier> cp or cd ?
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2547[20:19:32] <missmbob> Olivier: sudo. don't forget.
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2548[20:19:40] <Maxxe> Tu veux transferer le fichier tout
simplement?
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2550[20:19:53] <TomTomTo1> and ignore what awal1 wrote.
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2551[20:19:53] <Olivier> maxxe : pas exactement
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2552[20:19:55] <missmbob> Olivier: you use cd to get into the dir
first. then cp
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2554[20:20:07] <missmbob> we're not going to turn french
again today...please
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2556[20:20:16] <Maxxe> Lmao
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2557[20:20:21] <Olivier> missmbob : sorry, it's maxxe
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2558[20:20:29] <awal1> too much people talking so TomTomTo1,
excuses I forgot the iso path :P
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2560[20:20:33] <Maxxe> Always put the blame on me :(
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2561[20:20:49] <Olivier> sorry :(
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2562[20:21:00] <jmcnaught> c'est pas grave
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2564[20:21:04] <Maxxe> Lol
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2565[20:21:09] <missmbob> Olivier: anyway we want to see the
command and output. paste.debian.net
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2566[20:21:16] <Olivier> okay so I enter in the terminal : sudo
cd /home/Olivier/Téléchargements
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2568[20:21:20] <Olivier> it's correct ?
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2569[20:21:26] <missmbob> Olivier: no. cd doesn't need sudo.
cp does
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2570[20:21:33] <Olivier> oh...
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2572[20:21:47] <Maxxe> type rm
/home/Olivier/Téléchargements
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2573[20:21:54] <missmbob> Maxxe: stop
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2574[20:21:57] <Maxxe> Lolll
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2575[20:22:00] <Olivier> cd, cp rm I don't know......
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2576[20:22:02] <missmbob> that's not funny
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2577[20:22:05] <awal1> Olivier run cp
/home/Olivier/Téléchargement/firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
/dev/sdb ; sync
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2578[20:22:06] <Maxxe> Don't do rm lol
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2579[20:22:10] <missmbob> Olivier: don't. he's screwing
with you
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2580[20:22:33] <awal1> Téléchargements ^
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2581[20:22:36] <missmbob> Maxxe: fucking with people isn't
nice or cool
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2582[20:22:40] <Olivier> bash: cd:
/home/Olivier/Téléchargements: Aucun fichier ou
dossier de ce typ
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2583[20:22:56] <Olivier> in the command I add ; ?
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2584[20:22:58] <Olivier> or not ?
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2585[20:23:07] <jmcnaught> Olivier: is your user named Olivier?
(it's case sensitive)
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2586[20:23:19] <Olivier> yes
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2587[20:23:24] <Olivier> it's my name
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2588[20:23:35] <Maxxe> Liar
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2589[20:23:40] <Olivier> ?
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2590[20:23:47] <jmcnaught> Olivier: instead try "cd
~/Téléchargements"
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2591[20:23:48] <Maxxe> Just kidding :p
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2592[20:24:10] <Olivier> I have this :
~/Téléchargements$
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2593[20:24:16] <Olivier> in blue
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2594[20:24:44] <jmcnaught> Olivier: you are ready for the
"sudo cp firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb"
command
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2595[20:25:36] <Olivier> okay, hold on...
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2596[20:25:55] <Olivier> I enter my password and after nothing
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2599[20:26:13] <Maxxe> Hence why my grandma still uses Windows,
too unreliable
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2600[20:26:16] <missmbob> Olivier: you need to go to
replaced-url
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2602[20:26:43] <Olivier>
replaced-url
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2603[20:26:46] <Olivier> here
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2604[20:26:47] <jmcnaught> Olivier: it will take a moment for
that command to complete, then it should return you to a command
prompt.
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2605[20:26:56] <Olivier> oh okay
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2606[20:27:08] <Olivier> okay now I have something
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2607[20:27:20] <Olivier> I have the same thing telechargements in
blue
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2608[20:27:23] <TomTomTo1> \o/
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2609[20:27:30] <jmcnaught> Olivier: now do "sudo sync"
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2611[20:27:45] <Olivier> okay
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2612[20:27:48] <Olivier> and after ?
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2616[20:28:13] <jmcnaught> Olivier: try booting the computer with
it
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2618[20:28:25] <Olivier> okay I try : suspens...
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2621[20:29:11] <Olivier> hold on i'm in the bios
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2622[20:29:29] * TomTomTo1 holds on to jmcnaught
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2623[20:29:37] <Olivier> okay I have install
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2624[20:29:41] <Olivier> I click on it ?
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2625[20:29:43] <TomTomTo1> \o/
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2626[20:29:47] <Olivier> okay
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2627[20:30:18] <Olivier> I have the same error message :(
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2628[20:30:21] <Olivier> release
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2629[20:30:26] <TomTomTo1> :/
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2632[20:31:16] <Olivier> so ?
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2633[20:31:16] <jmcnaught> Olivier: it's time to try 1)
different USB stick and/or 2) same USB stick in different computer
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2636[20:31:29] <Olivier> jmcnaught : ?
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2637[20:31:32] <awal1_> Olivier, are you sure you have downloaded
the image from
replaced-url
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2640[20:31:54] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, and did you check the
checksum?
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2641[20:31:55] <TomTomTo1> yes, he pasted the command he typed.
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2642[20:31:59] <Olivier> yes
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2643[20:32:09] <Olivier> I make everything
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2647[20:33:19] <Olivier> and now ?
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2648[20:33:42] <TomTomTo1> what exactly did it complain about?
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2649[20:33:42] <missmbob> 18:31 < jmcnaught> Olivier:
it's time to try 1) different USB stick and/or 2) same USB
stick in different computer
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2650[20:34:11] <Olivier> I tried every usb stick since three days
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2651[20:34:14] <Olivier> :(
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2653[20:34:23] <Olivier> and this broke 2 usb sticks
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2656[20:34:44] <awal1_> why you dont use a dvd ?
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2657[20:34:47] <jmcnaught> Olivier: if you plug the USB back into
the Ubuntu computer what does the computer do?
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2659[20:35:17] <Olivier> I can't make this now because I use
the computer for talk to you
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2661[20:36:16] <Olivier> it's weird because in the iso, the
release file is here...
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2662[20:36:21] <jmcnaught> Olivier: just plug it into the running
Ubuntu, does it mount the device and let you navigate it?
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2664[20:36:37] <Olivier> oh..
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2665[20:36:38] <Olivier> okay
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2669[20:37:02] <Olivier> okay ubuntu mount the usb
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2672[20:37:36] <Olivier> jmcnaught : and after ?
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2674[20:38:09] <jmcnaught> Olivier: and there are files there,
directories like boot, css, dists etc?
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2676[20:38:19] <Olivier> yes
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2677[20:38:27] <Olivier> boot
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2678[20:38:34] <Olivier> css etc...
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2679[20:38:45] <Olivier> everything
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2682[20:39:19] <jmcnaught> Olivier: was the USB drive plugged
into a USB hub?
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2683[20:39:27] <Olivier> jmcnaught : yes
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2684[20:39:49] <jmcnaught> Olivier: can you copying the ISO to
the USB drive without the hub?
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2686[20:39:57] <Olivier> no
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2687[20:40:23] <scope> is there any way to use debian to mount an
iphones root file system that isnt jailbroken
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2689[20:40:47] <Olivier> oh shit : no i don'T have usb hub
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2690[20:40:51] <Olivier> sorry
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2692[20:41:03] <Olivier> my fault
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2693[20:41:31] <jmcnaught> Olivier: okay. and when you boot the
USB drive, it makes it part way and then complains about being
unable to find the Releases file?
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2695[20:41:45] <Olivier> jmcnaught : yes
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2697[20:42:00] <Olivier> jmcnaught : can I ask you a question ?
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2700[20:42:40] <Olivier> jmcnaught : Can I install debian with a
official iso without desktop ?
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2703[20:43:09] <Olivier> jmcnaught : because with this the
release was detected, not for my internet connection
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2704[20:43:19] <jmcnaught> Olivier: Debian does not require you
to install a desktop environment if that is what you mean
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2706[20:43:31] <Olivier> gnome, kde ?
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2707[20:43:34] <Olivier> no...
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2708[20:43:36] <Olivier> ?
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2709[20:43:49] <jmcnaught> Olivier: gnome, kde are optional
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2711[20:44:02] <Olivier> yes but I need kde
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2712[20:44:22] <jmcnaught> Olivier: so wait, what is the current
problem? You don't get the complaint about Releases this time?
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2713[20:44:40] <Olivier> oh sorry, I have a idea and this idea is
bad finally
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2715[20:45:45] <Olivier> jmcnaught : okay, for the releases ?
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2718[20:46:03] <jmcnaught> Olivier: if you manage to get a
command-line-only install of Debian onto the computer you can always
install KDE after Debian boots for the first time post-installation
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2719[20:46:23] <jmcnaught> Olivier: please be very clear and
descriptive about the problem you are having booting the installer
disk that you just prepared.
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2722[20:46:43] <Olivier> jmcnaught : I have a message error: the
file release was not detected or can't be read
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2726[20:47:44] <jmcnaught> Olivier: that happens when you boot
the USB stick that you just prepared a few minutes ago?
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2728[20:47:53] <Olivier> yes
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2730[20:48:27] <Olivier> jmcnaught : yes
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2733[20:49:22] <jmcnaught> Olivier: i would still try it on a
different computer, or with a different USB stick
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2736[20:50:19] <Olivier> I tried but I have the same problem
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2741[20:51:59] <Olivier> jmcnaught : it's the same problem
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2746[20:53:59] <Olivier> jmcnaught : are you here ?
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2747[20:54:06] <jmcnaught> Olivier: with a different stick, or a
different computer?
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2749[20:54:23] <Olivier> jmcnaught : different computer
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2750[20:54:25] <Olivier> and stick
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2754[20:55:24] <jmcnaught> Olivier: from your
replaced-url
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2755[20:55:53] <awal1_> Olivier, why not using a dvd?
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2756[20:56:05] <Olivier> I don't have dvd
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2759[20:57:51] <paludo> The package sikuli-ide doesn't open
after installed from the repositories in jessie. Would someone try
to replicate this? I'm trying to figure out if a local system
problem.
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2762[20:58:12] <Olivier> awal1 : and now ?
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2764[20:58:54] <jmcnaught> Olivier: well we do know that this
does work for other people, so we need to figure out why it
doesn't work for you using multiple USB disks and computers
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2765[20:59:12] <Olivier> jmcnaught : okay
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2766[20:59:30] <jmcnaught> Olivier: it's possible that the
ISO file that you downloaded was corrupted while downloading, or
when it was saved to the Ubuntu computer
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2768[21:00:20] <Olivier> okay but I download the iso 2 times
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2769[21:00:37] <awal1_> a bit surprised that the unofficial image
has been downloaded in less the 3 minutes, as he said
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2771[21:01:02] <pseudonymous> isn't it easy enough to check
? Surely there's an MD5/SHA256 sum
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2772[21:01:13] <Olivier> the iso : 256 mo
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2773[21:01:31] <Lowl3v3l> pseudonymous, suggested it multiple
times already
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2774[21:02:15] <Olivier> I don't know how can I verify this
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2775[21:02:46] <jmcnaught> Olivier: download
replaced-url
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2777[21:03:11] <Olivier> i have nothing on this link...
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2780[21:03:36] <jmcnaught> Olivier: it should be a one line file
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2781[21:03:57] <Olivier> on the link i have this :
4c554cf8cbdcc29f9e3f91b8458d0c252544a91a92a314de12e963e81b70be2f
firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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2782[21:05:05] <jmcnaught> Olivier: in your
~/Téléchargements directory run this command:
sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS
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2783[21:05:13] <Olivier> how ?
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2789[21:05:57] <awal1_> in terminal execute cd
~/Téléchargements
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2790[21:06:16] <awal1_> then jmcnaught command
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2791[21:06:35] <Olivier> SHA256SUMS: Aucun fichier ou dossier de
ce type
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2792[21:07:02] <jmcnaught> Olivier: please download that file and
put it that directory
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2793[21:07:15] <Olivier> I can't download the file
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2794[21:07:22] <Olivier> on the link i don'T have a file
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2797[21:08:40] <jmcnaught> Olivier: then do this, "wget
replaced-url
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2800[21:10:19] <Olivier> jmcnaught : ok
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2802[21:10:59] <Olivier> jmcnaught : requête HTTP
transmise, en attente de la réponse… 404 Not Found
2016-08-07 21:10:43 erreur 404 : Not Found.
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2803[21:11:20] <jmcnaught> Olivier: you made a typo
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2804[21:11:28] <Olivier> ?
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2806[21:11:38] <Olivier> a what ?
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2807[21:11:39] <bakwards> Do you need a fast computer to use
debian
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2808[21:11:46] <jmcnaught> Olivier: you could also go to this
link in your browser, right-click on SHA256SUMS and use save as...
replaced-url
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2809[21:11:48] <Maxxe> Yes
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2810[21:11:55] <Maxxe> i7 atleast
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2812[21:12:13] <jmcnaught> Olivier: typo is english slang for a
typing mistake
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2813[21:12:29] <Olivier> okay and after
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2814[21:12:31] <Maxxe> Une erreur de frappe, Olivier
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2815[21:12:36] <Olivier> je sais...
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2816[21:13:15] <Olivier> jmcnaught : okay and after ?
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2817[21:13:24] <jmcnaught> Olivier: the goal for the past few
minutes has been to get the files SHA256SUMS and
firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso in the same directory so that you
can run the command "sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS" let me know
when you have done that
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2819[21:13:56] <Olivier> okay hold on
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2823[21:15:11] <paludo> Can someone run sudo aptitude install
sikuli-ide on debian jessie, and then sikuli-ide on terminal to see
if it works? Pleaaasseee, much appreciated
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2826[21:17:06] <jmcnaught> paludo: perhaps you could try running
it from a terminal emulator and look for errors to research?
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2827[21:17:19] <Olivier> jmcnaught : okay and after ?
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2829[21:17:49] <paludo> Yep, I did that, there this old open bug
replaced-url
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2830[21:17:50] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2831[21:18:00] <jmcnaught> Olivier: what did the command output?
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2832[21:18:33] <jmcnaught> paludo: are you using something other
than the default java?
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2833[21:18:33] <Olivier> jmcnaught : sha256sum: SHA256SUMS: Aucun
fichier ou dossier de ce type
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2835[21:19:38] <jmcnaught> Olivier: try it again. you need the
files SHA256SUMS and firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso in the same
directory for that command to work. Maybe it would be easier for you
to get the SHA256SUMS file from
replaced-url
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2836[21:19:39] <paludo> I'm using oracle
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2837[21:19:50] <paludo> That's the problems
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2839[21:20:11] <Olivier> the directory is telechargements
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2841[21:20:25] <jmcnaught> paludo: i recommend trying it with
openjdk then
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2846[21:21:41] <Olivier> jmcnaught : I have the same output
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2847[21:22:00] <jmcnaught> paludo: it's very unlikely the
package sikuli-ide would have been included in jessie if it did not
work with the default openjdk-7
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2848[21:22:32] <jmcnaught> Olivier: keep trying until you figure
it out. Look in a file manager or using the "ls" command
to verify that both of those files are in the same directory
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2849[21:22:34] <paludo> It does make sense indeed
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2851[21:22:55] <Olivier> folder or directory
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2852[21:22:57] <Olivier> ?
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2855[21:23:28] <Olivier> because the directory is telechargement
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2856[21:23:32] <jmcnaught> Olivier: folders and directories are
the same thing
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2857[21:23:38] <Olivier> okay
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2858[21:23:43] <Olivier> I tried but I have the same output
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2859[21:24:19] <jmcnaught> Olivier: show us in a paste what
you're doing
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2860[21:24:34] <Olivier> sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS
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2861[21:25:24] <missmbob> he wants to see everything.
paste.debian.net. include commands and outputs in their entirety
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2864[21:26:07] <Olivier>
replaced-url
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2865[21:26:31] <missmbob> you're not in the folder
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2866[21:26:37] <johnkeates> but I am!
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2867[21:26:39] <Olivier> ?
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2869[21:26:56] * johnkeates is in everyone's folders...
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2870[21:27:06] <missmbob> you at /home/Olivier and not
/home/Olivier/Telewhateverthefuck
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2871[21:27:20] <Olivier> oh
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2872[21:27:33] <paludo> So I used the userspace workaround
suggested in that link, simply added the jni libraries in
LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and is working perfectly, thanks
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2873[21:27:56] <Olivier> so how can I enter in the folder ?
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2874[21:28:00] <jmcnaught> Olivier: you need to "cd
~/Téléchargements" to Change Directories. Also
you added a %22 to the end of the wget command.
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2876[21:28:07] <teraflops> Olivier: really?
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2877[21:28:08] <missmbob> Olivier: you've gotta start
listening more closely man
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2879[21:28:37] <Olivier> okay I remember of the command, I
listening since one hour
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2880[21:28:54] <johnkeates> i think it's a language barrier
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2881[21:29:13] <teraflops> i think hand holding has a limit
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2885[21:29:20] <johnkeates> not if you're in love.
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2886[21:29:36] <paludo> even then
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2887[21:29:38] <teraflops> johnkeates: I dont love Olivier :P
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2888[21:29:41] <johnkeates> :p
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2889[21:29:43] <teraflops> hehe
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2890[21:29:45] <Olivier> ????
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2891[21:29:49] <johnkeates> !!!!
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2892[21:29:50] <dpkg> "Multiple exclamation marks," he
went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased
mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
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2893[21:29:57] <johnkeates> nice
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2894[21:30:00] <jmcnaught> Olivier: i think you should try
continuing in #debianfr
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2895[21:30:11] <johnkeates> or #Telewhateverthefuck
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2896[21:30:19] <johnkeates> that's gotta be the word of the
day
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2898[21:30:44] <Olivier> I try to connect to debianfr but I
can't !
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2899[21:30:54] <Maxxe> /join #debianfr
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2900[21:30:56] <jmcnaught> Olivier: "/join #debianfr"
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2901[21:31:01] <johnkeates> works fine here
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2902[21:31:03] <Olivier> i made this
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2903[21:31:09] <Maxxe> did *
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2904[21:31:15] <Olivier> I have no topic
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2905[21:31:19] <Olivier> on debianfr
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2906[21:31:20] <johnkeates> you don't need a topic
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2907[21:31:24] <johnkeates> you need to type
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2908[21:31:30] <Maxxe> /join #debianfr
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2909[21:31:37] <Maxxe> Then speak buddy
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2910[21:31:39] <missmbob> i told you that three days ago. you
seriously never even tried? just ignored all of us who told you to
go there? even today
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2911[21:31:43] <Olivier> yes but I am the only person on debian
fr
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2912[21:31:51] <johnkeates> no you're not
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2913[21:31:52] <missmbob> no space
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2914[21:31:53] <Maxxe> I am there too.
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2915[21:31:54] <Olivier> I tried
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2916[21:31:58] <jmcnaught> Olivier: then you made another erreur
de frappe
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2918[21:32:02] <missmbob> no one told you to put a spae
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2919[21:32:04] <missmbob> space
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2920[21:32:08] <johnkeates> there are 160 people in there
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2923[21:32:18] <johnkeates> just type, EXACTLY AS TYPED HTERE:
/join #debianfr
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2924[21:32:25] <AngeFede> absolutely
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2925[21:32:28] <johnkeates> no spaces, no added stuff
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2927[21:32:31] <AngeFede> I'm on debianfr too
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2928[21:32:32] <johnkeates> no french accents
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2929[21:32:38] <Maxxe> Lolllll
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2930[21:32:44] <Olivier> okay it's okay
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2931[21:32:53] <Olivier> yes i know I'm stupid
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2932[21:33:04] <johnkeates> if you get there, they can help you
better
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2933[21:33:14] <johnkeates> since they have the same cultural
background and thought process
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2934[21:33:21] <johnkeates> so there is less miscommunication
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2935[21:33:31] <jmcnaught> Olivier: bonne chance withe the
francophones. please follow their instructions exactly and be
patient if there is a delay
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2939[21:34:01] <johnkeates> if you ask them something while
dirnking/eating you might want to wait a bit since they won't
respond until they're done
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2940[21:34:04] <Olivier> okay thank you for your help and sorry
for my stupidity
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2941[21:34:10] <johnkeates> no problem
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2942[21:34:16] <johnkeates> just hope you get your problems fixed
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2945[21:34:36] <johnkeates> bonne chance
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2946[21:34:43] <johnkeates> if that's correct
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2960[21:39:18] <Maxxe> Yes it is, johnkeates.
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2962[21:39:31] <Maxxe> He just did rm ~, I think it solved the
problem
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2963[21:39:40] <johnkeates> i suppose it would
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2964[21:39:57] <johnkeates> it's almost as good as taking
the computer for a good rinse in the shower
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2965[21:39:58] <missmbob> guys, don't. that's really
not okay
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2967[21:40:11] <Maxxe> He did it already anyways
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2968[21:40:11] <teraflops> please dont suggest that rm ~ shit
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2970[21:40:29] <Maxxe> olivier@olivier-Satellite-A300:~$ rm ~ rm:
impossible de supprimer '/home/olivier': est un dossier
olivier@olivier-Satellite-A300:~$
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2971[21:40:31] <johnkeates> i didn't follow, i exited
debianfr, it was too french in there
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2974[21:41:06] <missmbob> he did it because you told him to
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2975[21:41:14] <Olivier> i'm here !
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2976[21:41:19] <johnkeates> we could ask him to eat bag of flour
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2977[21:41:21] <Maxxe> Don't blame me
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2978[21:41:23] <johnkeates> hi olivier
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2979[21:41:39] <missmbob> Maxxe: it's against channel
guidelines so i can blame you
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2980[21:41:41] <Olivier> yes I eat bag of flour yes yes yes
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2981[21:41:42] <johnkeates> will you eat a bag of flour for our
entertainment?
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2982[21:41:45] <johnkeates> nice
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2983[21:41:56] <johnkeates> i wonder, could you make bread by
simply eating the ingredients
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2984[21:41:58] <Maxxe> I didnt read the rules, sorry.
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2985[21:41:58] <johnkeates> that would be neat
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2988[21:42:05] <Olivier> that a joke
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2990[21:42:08] <johnkeates> yes
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2991[21:42:12] <johnkeates> but a tasty one
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2992[21:42:15] <Olivier> and yes I'm not good in english
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2993[21:42:18] <johnkeates> that's ok
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2994[21:42:21] <johnkeates> many people are
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2995[21:42:34] <Olivier> okay
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2996[21:42:49] <johnkeates> i'm not good at hindi and
mandarin, but there are billions of people who are
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2998[21:42:59] <johnkeates> or russian for that matter
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2999[21:43:00] <Olivier> good exemple !
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3000[21:43:36] <Olivier> so, now?
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3001[21:43:38] <johnkeates> I do know for a fact that in china
electrical power is written as 'pressure' because they
didn't have a word for it and it just stuck
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3002[21:43:54] <johnkeates> so now you have electrical pressure
and water pressure
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3003[21:43:57] <johnkeates> it's kinda neat
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3005[21:44:24] <Olivier> okay so now for my problem I don't
know...
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3006[21:44:37] <johnkeates> me neither, try #debianfr
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3007[21:44:41] <Olivier> maxxe : t'Es là oui ou non ?
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3008[21:44:44] <Maxxe> Sup
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3010[21:44:58] <Olivier> maxxe : et maintenant ?
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3011[21:45:06] <Maxxe> I told you to reboot once you did the rm ~
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3012[21:45:19] <johnkeates> n'est #debianfr
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3013[21:45:52] <teraflops> ok I'm going to be the annoying
guy that suggest you to speak in english and keep ontopic
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3015[21:46:24] <Olivier> teraflops : sure
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3016[21:46:46] <Olivier> maxxe : If I reboot my computer, I think
that not help
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3017[21:46:57] <Maxxe> It might, just give it a try.
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3018[21:47:00] <johnkeates> Olivier: could you explain your
problem again
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3020[21:47:05] <Olivier> okay
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3023[21:48:30] <Olivier> When I tried to install debian for the
first time, by accident, while I formatted my computer
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3024[21:49:00] <Olivier> like a stupid :(
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3025[21:49:03] <Olivier> and now I have debian
-
3026[21:49:10] <Olivier> but I don't have internet
connection
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3027[21:49:14] <Olivier> and I don't have
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3028[21:49:15] <Olivier> gnome
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3029[21:49:16] <Olivier> kde
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3030[21:49:19] <Olivier> etc..
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3031[21:49:25] <Olivier> I can't make a thing
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3032[21:49:29] <Maxxe> How about you do a fresh, complete,
install.
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3033[21:49:32] <Olivier> and now my computer is Fucked
-
3034[21:49:34] <pseudonymous> Olivier: when I started out
(Installing Red Hat Linux) I had not clue either. I think
that's fairly normal :)
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3035[21:50:01] <pseudonymous> no*
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3039[21:50:31] <Olivier> and now I can't make a thing on my
computer
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3040[21:51:04] <pseudonymous> Olivier: don't you have a
wired connection (i.e. ethernet cable)? If so, it should be easy to
get online
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3041[21:51:04] <Olivier> so here my problem
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3043[21:51:47] <Olivier> yes but when I download a iso with kde,
i dont have the release file
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3044[21:51:56] <Olivier> and now I can't install debian
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3045[21:52:12] <pseudonymous> release file ?
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3047[21:52:30] <missmbob> because he copied the iso improperly
when he did the kde iso
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3048[21:52:36] <missmbob> and round and round we go
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3050[21:52:52] <missmbob> Olivier: you should stick to just
asking #debianfr
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3051[21:53:02] <Olivier> Finally, you are right
-
3052[21:53:13] <pseudonymous> missmbob: sure, but to some extent
we were all teenagers trying to install something we didn't
really comprehend at the time, were we not ?
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3053[21:53:19] <Olivier> I'm okay on debian
-
3054[21:53:46] <missmbob> pseudonymous: sure and i've been
helping him for days.
-
3055[21:53:54] <missmbob> trying to anyway
-
3056[21:53:55] <pseudonymous> Alright. So right now, what are you
on? How are you here ? You're obviously on the internet to use
IRC. Is this the same PC ?
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3057[21:54:01] <Olivier> no
-
3058[21:54:22] <Olivier> I have the pc of a friend
-
3059[21:54:26] <Olivier> on ubuntu
-
3060[21:54:36] <Olivier> I like debian
-
3061[21:54:43] <pseudonymous> Olivier: alright, so you're on
a Windows PC right now trying to make a USB stick for installation ?
-
3062[21:54:45] <Olivier> and I want install debian but I
can't
-
3063[21:54:45] <Maxxe> Tbh
-
3064[21:54:57] <Olivier> I'm not on a windows pc
-
3065[21:54:57] <Maxxe> As a beginner, I'd use Manjaro, it
helped me
-
3066[21:55:01] <Olivier> ubuntu pc
-
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3068[21:55:27] <pseudonymous> Simple is many things for many
people. I personally jumped from Red Hat to a failed Debian install
to Slackware :)
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3069[21:55:39] <Olivier> yes but debian or ubuntu
-
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3071[21:55:46] <Olivier> debian is the best right ?
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3072[21:55:56] <pseudonymous> Olivier: ok, you're running
Ubuntu right now, on another PC than the one you want to
"fix" ?
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3074[21:56:04] <Olivier> no
-
3075[21:56:05] <digdilem> Olivier, you may get a biased answer to
that question here
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3076[21:56:12] <Olivier> it's my pc I fucked
-
3077[21:56:16] <Olivier> I fucked my pc
-
3078[21:56:22] <teraflops> Olivier:
replaced-url
-
3079[21:56:23] <stoned> hey man
-
3080[21:56:28] <Olivier> yes
-
3081[21:56:34] <stoned> Would you stop trying to have sex with
your pc already
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3083[21:56:42] <stoned> Forget Ubuntu.
-
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3085[21:56:52] <stoned> Install debian and call it a day
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3087[21:56:54] <Olivier> oh sorry, in french we use this word for
a other thing
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3088[21:56:55] <pseudonymous> Olivier: I know. But the PC you are
using right now, is that your own ? What operating system is it
running? (Windows? Ubuntu? Debian?)
-
3089[21:57:08] <Olivier> no, the pc of my friend is on ubutnu
-
3090[21:57:08] <missmbob> or have your friend who obviously
installed ubuntu install ubuntu or debian on your computer.
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3093[21:57:31] <pseudonymous> Olivier: so - you are using your
friend's PC right now ?
-
3094[21:57:31] <stoned> !tell Olivier about d-i
-
3095[21:57:40] <Olivier> yes
-
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3097[21:57:49] <teraflops> Olivier:
replaced-url
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3098[21:57:53] <stoned> Check your msg you got from dpkg
-
3099[21:57:54] <Olivier> he give me his pc
-
3100[21:57:56] <pseudonymous> Olivier: OK; and your friend is
using Ubuntu, so you're on a Ubuntu PC right now
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3102[21:58:02] <Olivier> yes
-
3103[21:58:10] <stoned> And you're trying to switch to
debian?
-
3104[21:58:14] <stoned> OR simply unfuck your pc?
-
3105[21:58:23] <stoned> What's the goal here?
-
3106[21:58:37] <pseudonymous> Olivier: alright, and you're
trying to write a debian ISO to a USB stick so that you can install
Debian onto your own PC, right ?
-
3107[21:58:44] <Olivier> I trying to switch to debian and unfuck
my pc
-
3108[21:58:47] <stoned> Cool
-
3109[21:58:50] <stoned> Welcome
-
3110[21:58:53] <Olivier> because I try to install debian
-
3111[21:59:09] <Olivier> pseudonymous : yes
-
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3113[21:59:12] <teraflops> Olivier: the link i pasted above
explains it in your native language, you can stay here socializing
or you can read it
-
3114[21:59:16] <stoned> Olivier: how new is your hardware? Recent
machine? or old one?
-
3115[21:59:23] <stoned> Olivier: wondering if you would need
stable or testing
-
3116[21:59:27] <Olivier> I don't know
-
3117[21:59:30] <Olivier> a old recent
-
3118[21:59:34] <stoned> Well, first try stable.
-
3119[21:59:34] <Olivier> ?
-
3120[21:59:35] <stoned> Then we'll find out
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3125[22:00:06] <Olivier> But in first, I download a iso for
debian
-
3126[22:00:15] <pseudonymous> teraflops: btw, thanks for the
patience wrt routing & bridging last night. Eventually got going
and now my Proxmox setup is working. Just wanted to thank you and
let you know that it was appreciated :)
-
3127[22:00:20] <stoned> Olivier: follow the debian install guide
you were linked. If you need the guidein french, you can find it
online at debian.org
-
3128[22:00:25] <Olivier> and after, debian don't detected my
wireless connection
-
3129[22:00:25] <missmbob> it's an old Satellite A300
laptop...because we've gone through this a million times. i
think i know his social by now
-
3130[22:00:30] <Olivier> and now I have a terminal
-
3131[22:00:32] <Olivier> not kde
-
3132[22:00:35] <Olivier> gnome etc..
-
3133[22:00:37] <Olivier> I have nothing
-
3134[22:00:37] <pseudonymous> missmbob: hahah :P
-
3135[22:00:46] <stoned> Ok, so you need a fw driver for your wifi
on debian
-
3136[22:00:58] <stoned> It's probably something non-free
which isn't in free debian repos
-
3137[22:01:01] <Olivier> missmbob : I don't know why but I
forget this...
-
3138[22:01:11] <Olivier> but my own pc is a samsung
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3141[22:01:40] <Maxxe`> yup
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3142[22:01:41] <Olivier> stoned : and I would like to install
debian
-
3143[22:01:46] <pseudonymous> Olivier: can't you find an
Ethernet cable to plug in? At least for a little while ?
-
3144[22:01:51] <Olivier> no
-
3145[22:02:14] <teraflops> pseudonymous: ah I'm glad to hear
that, yw
-
3146[22:02:40] <johnkeates> Olivier: download the non-free ISO,
burn it to a CD/DVD and reinstall
-
3147[22:02:49] <missmbob> he has no dvd
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3149[22:02:55] <Olivier> what is the link for the non free ?
-
3150[22:02:56] <johnkeates> use a USB stick creator
-
3151[22:02:56] <teraflops> ^
-
3152[22:03:03] <missmbob> yeah we've talked about that
-
3153[22:03:05] <Olivier> yes I use that for the first time
-
3154[22:03:10] <Lowl3v3l> johnkeates, oh no, this started the
whole mess...
-
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3156[22:03:20] <Olivier> yeah...
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3158[22:03:23] <johnkeates> okay
-
3159[22:03:28] <johnkeates> but you need to install it somehow
-
3160[22:03:36] <missmbob> really there's no need to talk in
here. he needs to go to #debianfr. we've been there
-
3161[22:03:40] <johnkeates> lets start here: what do you have
-
3162[22:03:47] <johnkeates> a PC, a Laptop and nothing else?
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3163[22:03:52] <Olivier> a PC
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3164[22:04:01] <Lowl3v3l> aaaand person number ( at least) 5
trying it.
-
3165[22:04:11] <Lowl3v3l> somehow this reminds me of the legend
of excalibur.
-
3166[22:04:21] <stoned> :)
-
3167[22:04:25] <johnkeates> Olivier: are you sure? You also have
a toshiba satellite A300
-
3168[22:04:32] <stoned> The Sword in the Stone
-
3169[22:04:33] <johnkeates> which is a laptop
-
3170[22:04:35] <johnkeates> and not a PC
-
3171[22:04:39] <stoned> Hockety Pockety!
-
3172[22:04:40] <Olivier> this is the pc of my friend
-
3173[22:04:41] <pseudonymous> Olivier: I think I get what you are
trying to do, but it seems like it is too difficult for you at this
stage. Start with Ubuntu, then learn more and come back to Debian,
if you want.
-
3174[22:04:44] <Lowl3v3l> "from near and far sysadmins and
hackers came to solve the riddle"
-
3175[22:04:46] <Olivier> my own pc my pc is a samusng
-
3176[22:04:48] <Olivier> samsung
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3178[22:04:50] <johnkeates> so
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3180[22:04:53] <johnkeates> you have a PC and a Laptop
-
3181[22:05:18] <Olivier> yes
-
3182[22:05:26] <johnkeates> then why did you say no :p
-
3183[22:05:29] <Olivier> the laptop is the laptop of my friend
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3184[22:05:30] <missmbob> i'm starting to even doubt it
since he apparently has a fear of getting help in #debianfr
-
3185[22:05:34] <Olivier> and my pc is my pc
-
3186[22:05:37] <johnkeates> okay
-
3187[22:05:38] <pseudonymous> johnkeates: he has two PC's, a
loan from a friend running Ubuntu which he's talking to us
through, and a Samsung laptop which is running a minimal Debian
install with no internet connectivity. He's insisting on
getting Wifi running.
-
3188[22:05:39] <johnkeates> but that doesn't matter
-
3189[22:05:45] <johnkeates> it's about what you have access
to
-
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3191[22:05:55] <johnkeates> okay
-
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3193[22:06:07] <johnkeates> so not a PC and a Laptop
-
3194[22:06:08] <johnkeates> but two PC's
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3196[22:06:13] <johnkeates> or Two laptops?
-
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3199[22:06:22] <johnkeates> (lets see if you get the words right)
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3200[22:06:29] <pseudonymous> johnkoates: more like two laptops.
I don't think Samsung even makes workstations
-
3201[22:06:35] <johnkeates> i know they don't
-
3202[22:06:48] <johnkeates> but this whole mess is because he
can't read english well enough
-
3203[22:06:55] <johnkeates> it's not executing a few steps
-
3204[22:06:58] <johnkeates> it's language issues
-
3205[22:06:59] <missmbob> but the monitor says samsung...
-
3206[22:07:00] <Olivier> I can read english
-
3207[22:07:04] <johnkeates> okay
-
3208[22:07:04] <johnkeates> so
-
3209[22:07:05] <Olivier> but i'm a beginner
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3210[22:07:09] <johnkeates> 2 laptops or 2 pc's
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3211[22:07:11] <johnkeates> which one is it
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3212[22:07:17] <missmbob> Olivier: no you cant. if you could
you'd listen and join #debianfr
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3213[22:07:27] <missmbob> Olivier: or know that a folder and
directory are the same things
-
3214[22:07:35] <Olivier> sorry...
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3216[22:07:53] <pseudonymous> missmbob: your frustrations are
palpable ^^^
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3217[22:07:53] <johnkeates> Olivier, 2 laptops? 2 pc's? 2
rocks? what is it
-
3218[22:07:53] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, you really seem to have basic
issues with grasping what other people are saying, completely apart
from the tech-internals.
-
3219[22:08:01] <Olivier> 1 laptop
-
3220[22:08:03] <missmbob> Olivier: i'm not trying to insult
you. this has just reached a level of insanity. please use your
channel, #debianfr
-
3221[22:08:03] <Olivier> and 1 pc
-
3222[22:08:10] <johnkeates> so the PC is a separate box
-
3223[22:08:13] <johnkeates> with a separate monitor
-
3224[22:08:16] <Olivier> yes
-
3225[22:08:17] <johnkeates> okay
-
3226[22:08:20] <johnkeates> and samsung made it?
-
3227[22:08:43] <Olivier> yes
-
3228[22:08:44] <missmbob> johnkeates: see? and i pulled that out
of my ass half joking.
-
3229[22:08:50] <johnkeates> what type is it
-
3230[22:08:56] <Olivier> a notebook
-
3231[22:09:04] <Olivier> this is the name of the model
-
3232[22:09:13] <johnkeates> so the PC is not a PC but a laptop
-
3233[22:09:19] <johnkeates> so you have two laptops
-
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3235[22:09:25] <johnkeates> one is a samsung and the other a
toshiba
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3236[22:09:29] <Olivier> yes
-
3237[22:09:31] <johnkeates> okay
-
3238[22:09:38] <johnkeates> so if I ask, do you have a PC and a
laptop
-
3239[22:09:42] <johnkeates> you say: no, i have 2 laptops
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3241[22:09:50] <Olivier> hold on.. verify
-
3242[22:10:03] <Olivier> oh sorry that a laptop
-
3243[22:10:13] <Olivier> my fauly
-
3244[22:10:15] <Olivier> fault
-
3245[22:10:20] <Olivier> so two laptops sorry
-
3246[22:10:25] <johnkeates> This is what a laptop looks like:
replaced-url
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3247[22:10:27] <ryouma> "desktop" is a common
disambiguator; pc sometimes means non-mac or so
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3249[22:10:55] <johnkeates> this is what a desktop PC looks like:
replaced-url
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3250[22:11:15] <Olivier> okay
-
3251[22:11:18] <johnkeates> so
-
3252[22:11:18] <Olivier> my error
-
3253[22:11:27] <johnkeates> you don't have the big one, only
the two small ones, right?
-
3254[22:11:29] <Olivier> it's a laptop
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3256[22:11:32] <johnkeates> okay
-
3257[22:11:34] <johnkeates> so, two laptops
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3261[22:12:27] <Olivier> yes
-
3262[22:12:32] <missmbob> this is all TomTomTo1's fault
anyway
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3263[22:12:33] <Olivier> I'm sure now
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3265[22:12:41] <johnkeates> okay
-
3266[22:12:47] <pseudonymous> ryouma: if he's having trouble
communicating in English I doubt the term disambiguator (even
unknown to most native American teens) would make any sense :P
-
3267[22:12:53] <johnkeates> to continue, you HAVE TO use an
ethernet cable
-
3268[22:13:02] <johnkeates> if you don't have one, or
can't get access to one, you CANNOT continue
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3269[22:13:03] <Olivier> I don't have it
-
3270[22:13:05] <johnkeates> okay
-
3271[22:13:07] <Olivier> I have only wi-fi
-
3272[22:13:08] <johnkeates> then you can't continue
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3273[22:13:11] <Olivier> sorry
-
3274[22:13:15] <johnkeates> no problem
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3275[22:13:32] <ryouma> pseudonymous: perhaps i missed soem
scrollback. i was talking to johnkeates who i assuymed was a native
speaker.
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3277[22:13:52] <johnkeates> I am a dual-native speaker
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3278[22:13:56] <pseudonymous> johnkeates: ah, then the fault lies
with me, in that case, I'm sorry :)
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3280[22:14:03] <johnkeates> which is a thing, I also have two
passports
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3281[22:14:06] <Olivier> okay so now, I can't install debian
and I can't use my own laptop
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3283[22:14:11] <johnkeates> that is correct
-
3284[22:14:18] <ryouma> that differs from bilingual?
-
3285[22:14:21] <johnkeates> yes
-
3286[22:14:23] <pseudonymous> ryouma: sorry, above msg was
addressed at you. Afraid I blew through a large glass of Whiskey :S
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3287[22:14:27] <missmbob> Olivier: give your friend a ring.
invite him over. have him do it.
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3290[22:14:59] <Olivier> okay, so now I can'T use my own pc
-
3291[22:15:01] <Olivier> laptop
-
3292[22:15:02] <TomTomTo1> missmbob: oy, i did my best, but my
spanish isn't that great.
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3293[22:15:02] <Olivier> sorry
-
3294[22:15:03] <johnkeates> that is correct
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3295[22:15:05] <johnkeates> you can't use it
-
3296[22:15:05] <pseudonymous> missmbob: Are you British ?
-
3297[22:15:29] <Olivier> okay but I would like to have debian
because I don't like ubuntu
-
3298[22:15:30] <johnkeates> there is no Debian installer with a
GUI AND non-free drivers
-
3299[22:15:39] <Olivier> and now I can't use it
-
3300[22:15:40] <Olivier> so...
-
3301[22:15:41] <missmbob> pseudonymous: brazilian
-
3302[22:15:43] <johnkeates> that is correct
-
3303[22:16:07] <johnkeates> wait
-
3304[22:16:11] <johnkeates> i might have found a solution
-
3305[22:16:14] <Olivier> what ?
-
3306[22:16:15] <johnkeates> we use a live system
-
3307[22:16:23] <TomTomTo1> :D
-
3308[22:16:23] <johnkeates> it's a big download
-
3309[22:16:25] <Nightwolf> hi, i'm trying to install debian
stable on a system with a new intel nic. compiled the .ko, created
an iso and mounted it via ikvm. what must i do so the debian
installation uses it?
-
3310[22:16:26] <Olivier> yes so....
-
3311[22:16:27] <Lowl3v3l> johnkeates, debootstrap?
-
3312[22:16:29] <johnkeates> noo
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3314[22:16:34] <missmbob> omg
-
3315[22:16:36] <missmbob> not live again
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3316[22:16:38] <johnkeates> yes
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3317[22:16:39] <johnkeates> live again
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3318[22:16:41] <missmbob> TomTomTo1: :P
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3319[22:16:43] <johnkeates> haters gonna hate
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3320[22:16:50] <Olivier> missmbob : sorry for that
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3321[22:16:57] <pseudonymous> missmbob: huh, surprising. (Just
the "ring" thing which, to me, sounds very British, nvm)
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3322[22:17:02] <johnkeates> Olivier, on Ubuntu, you will do the
following:
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3323[22:17:07] <Lowl3v3l> missmbob, this has already become an
obsession. I suppose johnkeates will find a way even if it kills him
:D
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3324[22:17:08] <Olivier> ok
-
3325[22:17:15] <johnkeates> Download, using a web browser, this
file:
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3326[22:17:15] <johnkeates>
replaced-url
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3327[22:17:21] <teraflops> Olivier: well don't use linux or
tell your friend to install debian in your laptop, no offense mate,
I'm being realistic
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3328[22:17:22] <TomTomTo1> missmbob: it's groundhog day in
irc.
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3329[22:17:23] <missmbob> pseudonymous: most of the tv i watch is
british, actually.
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3330[22:17:51] <johnkeates> (I'm listening to Map of the
Problematique while doing this...)
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3331[22:17:51] <Olivier> johnkeates : ok I download
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3332[22:17:53] <johnkeates> ok
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3333[22:17:56] <johnkeates> let me know when it's done
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3336[22:18:21] <Olivier> okay
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3339[22:18:47] <pseudonymous> missmbob: That explains it
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3340[22:19:32] <Olivier> johnkeates: This iso I know it's
debian but what is your idea ?
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3342[22:19:38] <pseudonymous> Or at the very least make it
simpler by either getting an ethernet cable or a distribution which
includes as many wifi drivers as possible
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3345[22:20:20] <pseudonymous> Besides, Debian is for n00bs
anyway, Gentoo is for the tinkerer, LFS for the master :P
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3346[22:20:24] <johnkeates> Olivier: this ISO has all the
packages for desktop installation, as well as wifi drivers, so in
theory, if you can use it in the live mode and access wifi, it can
also install desktop and wifi
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3349[22:20:45] <toastymallow> noob here :(
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3350[22:20:46] <Olivier> johnkeates, and install debian ?
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3351[22:20:48] <johnkeates> yes
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3352[22:21:02] <Olivier> johnkeates : :)
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3355[22:21:22] <johnkeates> it's also a hybrid ISO meaning
you can dd it onto a flash drive
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3357[22:22:02] <mapm> hello, I want to install debian on an Intel
Pentium Dual Core, which debian binary should I install? amd? 32
bits or 64?
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3358[22:22:02] <Olivier> okay but I really need help for dd
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3359[22:22:04] <missmbob> johnkeates: that's how today
started hours ago, btw. him using a live iso on usb flash
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3360[22:22:13] <johnkeates> yes, but was it the non-free one?
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3361[22:22:20] <Lowl3v3l> mapm, do you have a 64 bit processor?
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3362[22:22:24] <Olivier> no
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3364[22:22:29] <johnkeates> see
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3365[22:22:30] <johnkeates> good
-
3366[22:22:39] <johnkeates> so lets wait until the download has
finished
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3367[22:22:42] <toastymallow> just installed ubuntu windows my
whole life everything was doing great but ran in to some hiccups
anyone have some free time and willing to help a noob out?
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3368[22:22:52] <johnkeates> no
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3369[22:22:57] <missmbob> johnkeates: if he had listened he
would've used non-free. TomTomTo1 and jmcnaught gave him links
to non-free iso
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3370[22:22:58] <Olivier> I don't like windows
-
3371[22:22:59] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, I don't really know the
exact model of the processor, I am trying to find out now
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3372[22:23:03] <pseudonymous> toastymallow: ubuntu windows ?
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3373[22:23:10] <toastymallow> ubuntu
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3374[22:23:22] <johnkeates> missmbob: i've only seen links
to the net install, which won't work in his case
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3375[22:23:23] <toastymallow> sorry been on windows my whole life
lol
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3376[22:23:24] <Lowl3v3l> mapm, boot a livecd and cat
/proc/cpuinfo .
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3379[22:23:29] <missmbob> !tell toastymallow about ubuntu
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3380[22:23:31] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, thanks I will do that
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3382[22:23:44] <teraflops> pseudonymous: roses are red, violets
are blue, if you don't mind compile times, install gentoo.
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3383[22:23:54] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, but, the livecd binary should
correspond also to the type of cpu right?
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3384[22:23:55] <johnkeates> or install openbsd and only use ports
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3385[22:24:07] <awal1_> Olivier, thanks, me trying to help you in
debianfr and you talking about windows here... looool
-
3386[22:24:18] <Olivier> no
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3387[22:24:20] <awal1_> ok, I givwe up...
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3388[22:24:21] <Olivier> okay ye
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3389[22:24:21] <Lowl3v3l> mapm, the choice there is easy : a 32
bit build will boot on both x86 and amd64 cpu's
-
3390[22:24:23] <Olivier> yes
-
3391[22:24:45] <pseudonymous> teraflops: true enough, then all
Linux installs bring their own horribleness to the table
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3392[22:24:46] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, ah, I didn't know that, good
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3393[22:24:47] <Lowl3v3l> teraflops, aww the poem is so nice
<3
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3394[22:24:49] <toastymallow> I installed Ubuntu I am running the
suggested drivers for my GTX 970 yet I still get screen tearing when
watching a movie or even when moving windows....
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3395[22:25:11] <Lowl3v3l> toastymallow, debian is NOT ubuntu. you
are wrong here if you want *buntu support.
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3397[22:25:24] <teraflops> pseudonymous: to he honest I prefer
exherbo over gentoo ^
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3398[22:25:26] <Olivier> yes but ubuntu said : ubuntu is debian
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3399[22:25:30] <pseudonymous> toastymallow: you should ask in
#ubuntu :)
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3400[22:25:33] <johnkeates> ubuntu is a lie
-
3401[22:25:36] <johnkeates> it's a cake
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3402[22:25:39] <johnkeates> and we all know what cake is
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3403[22:25:51] <Olivier> on the french forum of ubuntu
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3404[22:26:01] <Olivier> he said ubuntu is debian
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3405[22:26:07] <Lowl3v3l> Olivier, then whoever said it is either
a troll or a babbling idiot.
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3407[22:26:23] <Olivier> okay
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3409[22:26:33] <pseudonymous> Olivier: Ubuntu is a derivative
(read: child) of Debian - there are some differences
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3410[22:26:44] <Olivier> the iso is downloaded
-
3411[22:26:46] <pseudonymous> Olivier: and while I'm at it,
I really think you should start with Ubuntu
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3412[22:26:53] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, I think we just didn't think
about the BIOS info, I'm checking it now (:
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3413[22:27:07] <Olivier> johnkeates : iso is downloaded
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3414[22:27:08] <johnkeates> okay
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3415[22:27:20] <johnkeates> the following steps will create the
USB drive
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3416[22:27:21] <Lowl3v3l> mapm, okay^^ this and maybe the amount
of Ram is important to the choice
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3417[22:27:25] <Olivier> okay
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3418[22:27:44] <johnkeates> get a USB stick with at least 2GB in
size, and we will delete it so beware
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3419[22:27:47] <johnkeates> do you have that?
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3422[22:28:18] <Olivier> yes
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3423[22:28:20] <johnkeates> okay
-
3424[22:28:24] <johnkeates> plug it in to the computer
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3425[22:28:32] <johnkeates> the one where you downloaded the iso
on
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3428[22:28:39] <Olivier> yes
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3429[22:28:49] <johnkeates> open a terminal window (do you know
how to do that?)
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3430[22:29:02] <Olivier> yes crtl+alt+t
-
3431[22:29:16] <Olivier> okay
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3432[22:29:20] <johnkeates> okay, in the terminal window, type
exactly this: dmesg | tail
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3435[22:29:33] <missmbob> it's sdb
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3436[22:29:50] <johnkeates> ssssssssh, i want to be surprised
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3437[22:29:57] <missmbob> he's already pasted it
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3438[22:30:09] <johnkeates> pppf, thanks mr spoiler
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3439[22:30:15] <Olivier> question : I format the usb or not ?
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3440[22:30:17] <johnkeates> no
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3441[22:30:19] <johnkeates> you do what i say
-
3442[22:30:20] <johnkeates> nothing more
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3443[22:30:22] <johnkeates> nothing less
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3444[22:30:30] <Olivier> okay because I have a other iso on usb
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3445[22:30:35] <johnkeates> not a problem
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3446[22:30:39] <Olivier> the first iso of one hour
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3447[22:30:41] <Olivier> ok
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3448[22:30:42] <johnkeates> yes, that's ok
-
3449[22:30:44] <johnkeates> just
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3450[22:30:48] <johnkeates> okay
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3451[22:30:52] <johnkeates> lets make this super easy
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3453[22:30:55] <johnkeates> it's sdb
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3454[22:31:00] <johnkeates> so do this:
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3455[22:31:04] <johnkeates> in your terminal window
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3456[22:31:05] <Olivier> okay I enter sdb
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3457[22:31:15] <missmbob> he didn't say that
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3458[22:31:25] <Olivier> dmesg | tail
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3459[22:31:26] <johnkeates> Olivier: delete everything you typed
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3460[22:31:30] <Olivier> okay
-
3461[22:31:33] <johnkeates> it's db
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3462[22:31:35] <johnkeates> sdb*
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3463[22:31:35] <Olivier> sorry for that
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3464[22:31:35] <ws2k3> how is this possible :
replaced-url
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3465[22:31:36] <johnkeates> np
-
3466[22:31:39] <johnkeates> just go on
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3467[22:31:40] <zero_to_rocket> this is so tense, i like this
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3468[22:31:45] * johnkeates likes it too
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3469[22:31:45] <Olivier> oka so I enter ...
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3471[22:31:54] <johnkeates> enter cd
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3472[22:31:56] <johnkeates> just cd
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3475[22:32:04] <johnkeates> and then an empty space
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3476[22:32:05] <Olivier> okay
-
3477[22:32:07] <ws2k3> my os says i have 50 gb in use. but with a
du -h i can only find 7 gb in use
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3478[22:32:09] <johnkeates> but don't press enter yet
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3482[22:32:24] <Olivier> yes
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3483[22:32:28] <johnkeates> then, as your next step: open a file
window
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3485[22:32:41] <Olivier> okay
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3486[22:32:43] <johnkeates> and navigate to your home (the
picture of a home)
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3487[22:32:52] <Olivier> yes i know what is a home
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3488[22:32:58] <Olivier> okay
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3490[22:33:18] <Olivier> and after ?
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3491[22:33:22] <johnkeates> you will see a bunch of icons, one is
called Telechage something
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3492[22:33:27] <Olivier> yes
-
3493[22:33:29] <Olivier> I see it
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3495[22:33:30] <johnkeates> drag that one on your terminal window
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3496[22:33:51] <johnkeates> it will type the path for you
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3498[22:34:32] <Olivier> okay but I remove " or not
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3499[22:34:38] <Olivier> because I have this '
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3500[22:34:44] <johnkeates> no
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3501[22:34:46] <johnkeates> just press enter now
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3502[22:34:49] <johnkeates> in the terminal window
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3504[22:34:51] <Olivier> okay and now I enter it
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3506[22:34:54] <johnkeates> yes
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3507[22:34:54] <Olivier> ?
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3508[22:34:56] <johnkeates> type enter
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3510[22:35:06] <Olivier>
cd/home/olivier/Téléchargements: Aucun fichier ou
dossier de ce type
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3511[22:35:16] <missmbob> you didn't add the space after cd
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3512[22:35:18] <johnkeates> hehehe
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3513[22:35:21] <johnkeates> okay
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3514[22:35:21] <missmbob> i told you to listen carefully
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3515[22:35:25] <missmbob> so many times
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3516[22:35:27] <johnkeates> listen super accurately:
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3517[22:35:32] <johnkeates> press arrow up
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3518[22:35:32] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, well, it has exactly 3840MB RAM,
so it should be 32bits right?
-
3519[22:35:33] <johnkeates> on the keyboard
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3520[22:35:39] <johnkeates> the line will appear again
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3521[22:35:43] <Olivier> I listen but I'm stupid so...
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3522[22:35:51] <Lowl3v3l> mapm, not necessarily.
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3523[22:36:05] <Olivier> yes it's blue
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3524[22:36:05] <johnkeates> wait
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3525[22:36:08] <Olivier> telechargements in blue
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3527[22:36:10] <johnkeates> press control+c
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3528[22:36:12] <johnkeates> just do it
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3529[22:36:15] <johnkeates> press control+c
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3530[22:36:21] <Lowl3v3l> mapm, you could use an x32 build too (
which is 64 bits but with 32 bit pointers essentially)
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3531[22:36:23] <Olivier> in the terminal ?
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3532[22:36:25] <johnkeates> yes
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3533[22:36:27] <johnkeates> in the terminal
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3534[22:36:32] <Olivier> blue
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3535[22:36:36] <johnkeates> okay
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3538[22:36:42] <johnkeates> press enter
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3539[22:36:43] <Olivier> multiwriter
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3540[22:36:44] <johnkeates> twice
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3541[22:36:48] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, what happens is that I tried
installing with the binary
"debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso", and all went well until
I selected "install": the language selection menu appeared
but I couldn't do anything
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3542[22:36:48] <johnkeates> just enter and then enter
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3544[22:36:53] <johnkeates> it will give errors but that is okay
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3545[22:37:01] <Olivier> okay hold on...
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3546[22:37:17] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, it just froze
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3548[22:37:37] <missmbob> i told you not to use multiwriter
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3549[22:37:38] <Olivier> I open multiwriter
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3550[22:37:49] <johnkeates> don't open multi writer
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3551[22:37:51] <missmbob> Olivier: no one said multiwriter
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3552[22:37:55] <Lowl3v3l> mapm, could you please check wether you
got a 32 bit or 64 bit processor first? most likely you have no
adm64 biot processor but tried to use an iso for a completely
different ISA
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3553[22:37:57] <missmbob> Olivier: stop. listen. seriously
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3554[22:38:04] <Olivier> yes but it'S my usb creator
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3555[22:38:07] <johnkeates> no
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3556[22:38:09] <missmbob> Olivier: dont use it
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3558[22:38:16] <missmbob> Olivier: we've told you a thousand
times in three days. dont
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3559[22:38:21] <Olivier> okay so what I use now
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3561[22:38:36] <Olivier> sorry
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3562[22:38:36] <johnkeates> switched internet links
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3563[22:38:38] <Lowl3v3l> oh now it reminds me of sisyphos in
tartarus... :D
-
3564[22:38:38] <johnkeates> anyway
-
3565[22:38:40] <johnkeates> Olivier
-
3566[22:38:48] <johnkeates> close terminal
-
3567[22:38:48] <Olivier> yes
-
3568[22:38:50] <johnkeates> just close the window
-
3569[22:38:56] <Olivier> okay
-
3570[22:38:58] <johnkeates> and open a new terminal window
-
3571[22:39:04] <Olivier> done
-
3572[22:39:06] <johnkeates> okay
-
3573[22:39:49] <Olivier> okay I enter my password and after
nothing
-
3574[22:39:54] <johnkeates> that's ok
-
3575[22:39:56] <johnkeates> just wait
-
3576[22:39:58] <johnkeates> don't touch anything
-
3577[22:40:00] <Olivier> okay
-
3578[22:40:01] <johnkeates> until it says it's done
-
3579[22:40:07] <johnkeates> if your USB drive has a light it will
blink
-
3580[22:40:11] <Olivier> yes
-
3581[22:40:14] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, alright yes, I tried with the
BIOS info but I think it doesn't say anything explicitly about
the processor.
-
3582[22:40:14] <zero_to_rocket> Olivier: just do it! *Shia.gif
-
3583[22:40:19] <Olivier> the logo of my usb is bleu
-
3584[22:40:20] <Olivier> blue
-
3585[22:40:21] <johnkeates> ok
-
3586[22:40:23] <Olivier> I do it
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3587[22:40:27] <johnkeates> now we wait
-
3588[22:40:32] <Olivier> okay
-
3589[22:40:51] <Lowl3v3l> mapm, though most likely, i looked it
up for you, you got a 32 bit processor and will need a 32 bit iso.
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3590[22:42:41] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, how did you look it up? by Intel
Pentium Dual Core?
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3591[22:43:43] <Lowl3v3l> mapm, nope. I just know that there are
only a very limited number of pentium cpu's that implement
amd64, since you most likely do not sit in front of a server it is
unlikely you got one of those.
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3593[22:44:07] <TomTomTo1> if it's an intel pentium dual
core it might just as well be amd64.
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3594[22:44:10] <missmbob> uh
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3595[22:44:27] <missmbob> i'd bet on 64-bit
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3596[22:44:30] <Olivier> I hold
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3597[22:44:31] <missmbob> 4G ram...yeah
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3598[22:44:47] <johnkeates> Olivier: you hold?
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3599[22:44:56] <Olivier> yes
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3600[22:44:57] <missmbob> johnkeates: you said wait :P
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3601[22:45:04] <johnkeates> okay
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3603[22:45:12] <mapm> Lowl3v3l, ok, yes, because they are really
old. Yes this is not a server, just a PC
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3604[22:45:12] <johnkeates> is the usb light still on
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3605[22:45:19] <missmbob> johnkeates: might want to ask for a
paste of the command/output...fyi
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3606[22:45:22] <Olivier> yes
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3608[22:45:25] <johnkeates> okay
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3609[22:45:44] <johnkeates> feel the usb thing, is it getting
warmer?
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3610[22:45:45] <missmbob> johnkeates: some have two lights...he
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3611[22:45:55] <Lowl3v3l> TomTomTo1, an amd64 that doesn't
start up the amd64 iso?^^
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3614[22:46:55] <TomTomTo1> it would at least give a very
distinctive error msg if it wasn't.
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3615[22:47:05] <johnkeates> it would tell ya go make ur own
sandwich
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3617[22:47:24] <johnkeates> i'd call that distinctive
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3619[22:48:22] <Sayona> Hello, it's a way to schedule
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3620[22:48:22] <Sayona> my debian to shutdown a Xam and power up
at Xpm?
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3624[22:49:22] <Olivier> okay now my usb stop blink
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3625[22:49:25] <johnkeates> okay
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3627[22:49:30] <johnkeates> what does the terminal window say
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3628[22:49:54] <Olivier> 2994048+0 enregistrements lus
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3629[22:49:58] <johnkeates> okay
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3630[22:50:02] <Olivier> 2994048+0 enregistrements
écrits
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3631[22:50:03] <johnkeates> that's french for 'we are
done'
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3632[22:50:07] <johnkeates> good
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3634[22:50:11] <johnkeates> take the USB drive out
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3635[22:50:13] <Olivier> 1532952576 bytes (1,5 GB, 1,4 GiB)
copied, 579,669 s, 2,6 MB/s
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3636[22:50:15] <johnkeates> and plug it in your laptop
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3637[22:50:29] <Olivier> I'm scared
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3638[22:50:33] <johnkeates> and restart and select the USB drive
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3639[22:50:48] <johnkeates> do you know how to choose a boot
device on your own laptop?
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3640[22:50:53] <Olivier> yes
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3641[22:50:55] <Olivier> bios
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3642[22:50:56] <johnkeates> okay
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3643[22:50:59] <johnkeates> good
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3644[22:51:09] <johnkeates> well, reboot and select the usb stick
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3645[22:51:10] <Olivier> okay I am in the boot menu
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3646[22:51:22] <johnkeates> choose live amd64
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3649[22:51:32] <johnkeates> and press enter
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3651[22:51:34] <johnkeates> and wait a while
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3652[22:51:54] <Olivier> loading,please wait
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3653[22:52:10] <Olivier> I have something
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3654[22:52:22] <Olivier> no caching mode page found
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3655[22:52:35] <johnkeates> just let it go on
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3656[22:52:37] <Olivier> assuming drive cache : through
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3657[22:52:43] <Olivier> write through
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3658[22:52:48] <johnkeates> that's ok
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3659[22:52:50] <johnkeates> just let it run
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3660[22:52:55] <Olivier> ok so I wait
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3661[22:52:56] <Olivier> ?
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3662[22:52:58] <johnkeates> yes
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3663[22:54:20] <Olivier> okay....
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3664[22:54:43] <johnkeates> is it starting
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3666[22:54:47] <Olivier> no
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3667[22:54:49] <johnkeates> okay
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3668[22:54:51] <johnkeates> just let it sit there
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3669[22:54:56] <Olivier> okay
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3671[22:56:06] <Olivier> I have the same thing
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3673[22:57:11] <Olivier> johnkeates : I have the same thing
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3674[22:57:24] <johnkeates> what does it look like
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3676[22:57:31] <Olivier> consol mod