• 0[00:00:00] <nvz> I once used kexec when all I had was an orange pi lite and I fubarred my debian setup and all I had was an android working.. I managed to kexec jump into my debian install and fix it without another machine
• 1[00:00:21] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2[00:00:57] <nvz> thats the only time I used kexec for something I couldnt have done otherwise... to jump into debian from android
• 3[00:01:36] <nvz> if I had a regular computer I could've had other options
• 4[00:02:07] <nvz> it wasn't easy.. wasnt your typical friendly use of kexec
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• 8[00:03:16] <nvz> but as somiaj points out.. if you were a developer looking to try out various commandline options a kexec call may be easier than rebooting, going through bios, grub, etc.. you could just change commandline parameters with kexec and jump into a new instance
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• 10[00:03:53] <Miles8of9> firefox browser from site ships in tar.bz2 format... no deb
• 11[00:04:02] <nvz> Miles8of9: the magic sysrq call would also probably be new to you
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• 13[00:04:12] <somiaj> Miles8of9: it is a static linked binary, you can extract it to $HOME or /otp and just run the binary
• 14[00:04:15] * nvz wonders if he still has his dufus script
• 15[00:04:17] <karlpinc> nvz: (Aside from the DFSG and Why Debian, debian users need to come to terms with the <stable> factoid.)
• 16[00:04:32] <Miles8of9> sysrq... never heard about
• 17[00:04:41] <somiaj> and don't break debian, I think they think they can install any .deb they want.
• 18[00:05:23] <karlpinc> Miles8of9: If you want the latest software, run arch. Just saying.
• 19[00:05:24] <Miles8of9> of course not... .deb s have dependencies...
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• 21[00:05:34] <Miles8of9> arch?
• 22[00:05:58] <somiaj> testing and unstable are used by many, but understand what you loose as an side affect.
• 23[00:06:03] <karlpinc> !arch linux
• 24[00:06:04] <dpkg> Arch Linux is an a x86-64 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. replaced-url
• 25[00:06:12] <Miles8of9> ahhh arch linux....
• 26[00:06:28] <nvz> Miles8of9: sysrq is a means of communicating with the kernel directly from the keyboard using the magic sysrq key.. can do things like flush disk caches, kill processes, unmount filesystems, etc..
• 27[00:06:55] <nvz> Miles8of9: replaced-url
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• 30[00:07:42] <nvz> Miles8of9: that bit IS something you might want to learn a bit about.. its a real life saver to get a machine back under control when the airborne fecal matter begins to impact the air circulation devices' propeller
• 31[00:07:58] <nvz> Miles8of9: but as I said, a LOT has changed since the times you talk about :P
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• 34[00:09:40] <nvz> Miles8of9: like if your system is on the verge of OOMing or something.. ram is full, swapping like crazy.. a SAK (Sysrq+alt+k) can get things under control.. usually in a desktop system will result in killing your X session and putting you back at the display manager login.. but you wont have to reboot or let the system keep spiraling out of control
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• 38[00:10:24] <nvz> sysrq commands work even when things are far too out of control to do much else
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• 41[00:10:42] <Miles8of9> ahhahha
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• 44[00:11:48] <nvz> Miles8of9: its typically the PrnScr button on most systems..
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• 46[00:12:29] <somiaj> isn't it disabled by default on debian systems though?
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• 48[00:12:38] <somiaj> I thought you had to enable it (Due to security issues)
• 49[00:12:40] <nvz> not in my experience.. I use it a lot
• 50[00:12:52] <nvz> and I've never explicitly enabled it
• 51[00:12:55] <somiaj> hmm, maybe I'm thinking about some xorg things like ctrl-alt-backspace is now disabled.
• 52[00:13:02] <Miles8of9> what do you use as irc client? BitchX / ircII-epic?
• 53[00:13:03] <nvz> yeah that is now disabled
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• 56[00:13:31] <somiaj> bitchx is kinda considerd not that good these days, it had a small time it was popular, but irssi seems to be the more standard console client
• 57[00:13:34] <nvz> Miles8of9: I dont think bitchx is even around anymore or ircii. I use irssi.. weechat is also popular for text-based.. hexchat is a popular gui
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• 59[00:13:48] <somiaj> weechat or hexchat seems to be the more standard gui client.
• 60[00:14:01] <somiaj> oh weechat is console I thought it was gui
• 61[00:14:13] <nvz> na, weechat is similar to irssi
• 62[00:14:18] <nvz> ,depends weechat
• 63[00:14:19] <judd> Package weechat in buster/amd64 -- depends: weechat-curses (>= 2.3-1) | weechat-headless (>= 2.3-1).
• 64[00:14:31] <nvz> ,i weechat
• 65[00:14:32] <judd> Package weechat (net, optional) in buster/amd64: Fast, light and extensible chat client (metapackage). Version: 2.3-1; Size: 60.3k; Installed: 71k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 66[00:15:47] <Miles8of9> replaced-url
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• 69[00:16:22] <Miles8of9> bitchx had license issues... not free.. if i remember
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• 84[00:24:20] <cowpacity> anyone have a nice terminal that they always have to install, or otherwise just feel empty without it?
• 85[00:24:22] <Miles8of9> i used that win32diskimager and it seemed to work... but now the contents of the pendrive are not similar to those i can see if i open the iso file
• 86[00:25:13] <annadane> cowpacity, uhh. my go-to is typically xfce4-terminal. people do use xterm, with something like tmux/screen, i'm just not at that level yet
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• 88[00:26:57] <annadane> once i learn tmux though, perhaps
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• 93[00:28:22] <cowpacity> oh nice i'm checking out the xfce4-terminal now, looks nice, nice preferences page
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• 96[00:29:43] <Miles8of9> hmm the pendrive looks like it contains a couple of files.... image verification fails btw
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• 100[00:31:20] <annadane> that's probably a good sign of someone's age, do you use a terminal with native tabs or xterm with tmux/screen
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• 102[00:31:27] <annadane> and/or unix experience
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• 105[00:33:31] <moistmoskito> cowpacity: rxvt-unicode
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• 107[00:33:57] <annadane> oh interesting
• 108[00:33:59] <annadane> an xterm replacement
• 109[00:35:04] <moistmoskito> ive just used it since i switched to tilers ... no sense altering my .Xdefaults, or learning new bits of xterm when im familiar with urxvt
• 110[00:35:20] <cowpacity> i never have used tmux, installing rxvt-unicode now
• 111[00:36:10] <annadane> important to note tmux is a terminal *multiplexer*, not a terminal
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• 114[00:37:24] <moistmoskito> replaced-url
• 115[00:37:34] <moistmoskito> this just sets my preferences for hte term
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• 117[00:38:16] <moistmoskito> in my case i save it as .Xdefaults in my ~/
• 118[00:38:32] <moistmoskito> though there are convos on deprecation of .Xdefaults
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• 121[00:40:12] <annadane> tmux does seem really nice. i'll have to try it out a bit
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• 123[00:40:21] <moistmoskito> tmux i like over gnuscreen
• 124[00:40:26] <annadane> most do
• 125[00:40:28] <moistmoskito> but i rarely need a mutliplexer
• 126[00:40:32] <karlpinc> annadane: And there's always plain old job control. I tend to use that.
• 127[00:40:35] <moistmoskito> unless im doing a gentoo install
• 128[00:41:14] <annadane> hah yeah open elinks in one pane and then install your complicated OS in the other
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• 130[00:41:19] <moistmoskito> honestly in a wm i prefer to have mutliple terms ... if im not in X i consider tmix
• 131[00:41:39] <moistmoskito> tmux... yea annadane exactly
• 132[00:42:12] <annadane> as opposed to debian which i can have it and all my configs installed in about half an hour
• 133[00:42:13] <cowpacity> oh cool that pastebin was a nice help
• 134[00:42:18] <somiaj> I mostly use tmux for the applications I want to be able to access remotely (like irssi) once I head home for the day.
• 135[00:42:43] <somiaj> but provided I don't need to access the work remotely I prefer muptiple xterms
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• 137[00:42:52] <cowpacity> right, tmux and the like seem like a great idea if you're not running x at all
• 138[00:43:20] <somiaj> or if you have something you are working on you want to access from multiple locations without having to shut down the process and rerun it.
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• 141[00:44:00] <annadane> there's so much unix history/knowledge i just skipped
• 142[00:44:06] <annadane> i'm sure i do a million things non optimially
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• 144[00:44:44] <andrewzah> tmux is good, particularly if your terminal doesn't have scrollback
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• 146[00:44:48] <somiaj> though lots of times some of the old stuff leaves cruft around too, I do like a lot of the older stuff, but at some level it is full of cruft.
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• 155[00:46:59] <annadane> i should go full openbox/xterm/tmux and see how far i can get before giving up screaming
• 156[00:47:13] <somiaj> or just fvwm
• 157[00:47:24] <annadane> i'm not THAT crazy
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• 160[00:48:14] <andrewzah> i tried fvwm since openbsd installs it by default, but wasn't really a fan
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• 162[00:48:42] <Miles8of9> fvwm... :D
• 163[00:48:49] <annadane> i still haven't really found the de/wm i like, except xfce
• 164[00:48:50] <somiaj> that doesn't give fvwm a fair shake, since openbsd defaults to a very old version (due to a license change)..but this is mostly offtopic now
• 165[00:48:55] <Miles8of9> i used fvwm95 for a lot of time!! :D
• 166[00:49:36] <somiaj> I think a testimate to the quality of fvwm is fvwm0.96 still compiles and runs on modern linux systems just fine. Though I've been using fvwm for 15+ years now, and my desktop hasn't changed in 10+
• 167[00:50:13] <andrewzah> i just am used to i3
• 168[00:50:20] <annadane> i've tried i3 - not a fan
• 169[00:50:25] <Miles8of9> replaced-url
• 170[00:50:26] <annadane> i want to like it and just can't
• 171[00:50:27] <moistmoskito> xfce is kinda nice annadane
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• 176[00:50:51] <andrewzah> maybe I can give fvwm another try if I ever install openbsd again
• 177[00:50:52] <moistmoskito> for a de it combines some of the luxeries of a de while remaining faily light
• 178[00:51:02] <somiaj> andrewzah: make sure to install 2.6.9 from ports
• 179[00:51:05] <moistmoskito> ,fvwm
• 180[00:51:12] <andrewzah> cool, thanks
• 181[00:51:13] <moistmoskito> im not super familiar with that one...
• 182[00:51:17] <FuzzyByte> lxde is neat, too. It's fairly lightweight and is nice to look at.
• 183[00:51:19] <somiaj> ,i fvwm
• 184[00:51:21] <judd> Package fvwm (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: F(?) Virtual Window Manager. Version: 1:2.6.8-1; Size: 2490.7k; Installed: 6527k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 185[00:51:22] <andrewzah> it's just hard to leave debian
• 186[00:51:43] <andrewzah> and linux since I work with docker a lot
• 187[00:51:44] <annadane> i've dabbled in bsd and linux just... has niceities i'd rather not live without
• 188[00:51:49] <somiaj> moistmoskito: its one of the older wms, hasn't seen much update in about 5+ years, but is quite stable and gets bug fixes here and there.
• 189[00:51:54] <moistmoskito> andrewzah: ive been on arch for 10 years but health and age lead to decline and cant maintain an arch system... i have found i really like debian
• 190[00:52:11] <andrewzah> yep I used ot be on arch as well, until rolling updates broke my system
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• 192[00:52:19] <moistmoskito> arch is a work of art in itself
• 193[00:52:21] <andrewzah> debian is just nice, no fuss
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• 196[00:52:38] <moistmoskito> yea i havent had any updates since install... i like the package stability
• 197[00:52:57] <cowpacity> I've been enjoying the look/feel of kde plasma for a while now. i have a soft spot for the default mx linux look though
• 198[00:52:58] <moistmoskito> i also like debians sane configs that are all aligned
• 199[00:53:01] <andrewzah> now with steam proton I don't even need to dualboot windows or have ntfs formatted drives anymore :D
• 200[00:53:03] <moistmoskito> vs arch where i do it all myself
• 201[00:53:10] <somiaj> moistmoskito: not even security updates?
• 202[00:53:20] <moistmoskito> its only been like a week
• 203[00:53:22] <moistmoskito> but no
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• 205[00:53:32] <somiaj> well I had libnss update just today.
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• 209[00:55:04] <moistmoskito> well what do you know... my packagemanagement widget isnt working as desired
• 210[00:55:17] <moistmoskito> ty somiaj for bringing that to attention
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• 214[00:56:13] <somiaj> moistmoskito: debian gets a hand full of security fixes a week, though they don't always hit packages one is using. unattneded-upgrades can help with this if you don't want to keep up to date (or subscribe to the dsa mailing list)
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• 219[00:56:48] <somiaj> moistmoskito: it could be that the applet only run's update once a day or every so often, so it won't see the upgrade until apt update is ran again.
• 220[00:57:19] <moistmoskito> somiaj: it should check few times daily .... had to --fix-broken install since libc++ was being fussy some reason
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• 222[00:57:32] <moistmoskito> which probably threw off the widget ... something to keep an eye on
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• 224[00:58:17] <moistmoskito> a few packages where not in offical repos and i did have to build qt in order to get qtwebflix working
• 225[00:58:20] <moistmoskito> so whoops on my end
• 226[01:00:02] <annadane> christ
• 227[01:00:07] <annadane> the tmux man page is very involved lol
• 228[01:00:17] <moistmoskito> yea tmux is a beast
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• 230[01:00:28] <moistmoskito> better to look at archwiki if its overwhelming
• 231[01:00:49] <Maws> Any idea what might cause this error: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
• 232[01:01:02] <Maws> (I'v tried apt autoremove etc etc, but to no avail)
• 233[01:01:14] <Maws> and now it seem I can install anything using apt
• 234[01:01:23] <Maws> (debian testing)
• 235[01:01:31] <annadane> !debian-next
• 236[01:01:32] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 239[01:03:11] <moistmoskito> cowpacity: kde is the only de i suffer with for any amount of time and its to test a distro before doing a minimal install n building up
• 240[01:03:25] <moistmoskito> i as well really like kde
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• 242[01:04:32] <somiaj> Maws: look above that error, and see what failed, or paste the command you ran and the whole output you get at paste.debian.net
• 243[01:04:38] <somiaj> also yes, #debian-next
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• 248[01:06:47] <annadane> i feel arch would be claustrophobic, *having* to keep on top of updates, everything constantly shifting underneath you, changing options and such
• 249[01:07:02] <annadane> it's nicer to have a stable base and only run newer stuff you need
• 250[01:07:02] <moistmoskito> it is a bit yea
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• 252[01:07:08] <moistmoskito> and it makes it semi fragile imho
• 253[01:07:29] <annadane> and with nix packages/flatpak that's now easier on debian as well, vm's, chroots etc
• 254[01:07:44] <moistmoskito> core functionality breakage isnt commmon in arch.... but some stuff it happens
• 255[01:08:14] <annadane> i find debian is comfy, you can stretch out
• 256[01:08:26] <moistmoskito> i still remember the awful day that awesome went from 2 to 3 ...
• 257[01:08:29] <moistmoskito> nothing worked
• 258[01:08:49] <Maws> moistmoskito, yea I know, but really not sure it's related to "testing" as I got it trying to install gnome-boxes and after that installed failed with some "lvm2" error everything seem to have kinda "stopped"..in apt department :)
• 259[01:08:51] <moistmoskito> that was a fun day when you auto login and startX
• 260[01:09:49] <moistmoskito> Maws: you mistake me for someone who told you where to go... and if you are using testing repos it indeed is a testing issue
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• 262[01:10:46] <Maws> moistmoskito, I was refering to your comment about stable :) - but I'v jumped over to the "next" anyway :)
• 263[01:11:17] <Maws> somiaj, I did do a paste however of the error in pastebin
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• 267[01:12:39] <somiaj> Maws: share the link?
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• 270[01:13:00] <Maws> somiaj, replaced-url
• 271[01:13:10] <Maws> but seem there is a bug in testing :)
• 272[01:13:11] <Maws> hehe
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• 275[01:15:27] <annadane> some testing/sid questions are general enough they can be answered in #debian but apt questions are almost always -> #debian-next
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• 280[01:18:41] <Miles8of9> ,pciid 1002:6760
• 281[01:18:42] <judd> [1002:6760] is 'Seymour [Radeon HD 6400M/7400M Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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• 283[01:18:48] <judd> [1002:9903] is 'Trinity [Radeon HD 7640G]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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• 301[01:27:07] <Maws> annadane, thnx I'v checked in debian-next and seem to be a bug so guess it'l sorted soon (at least according to bug report already fixed :) 
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• 423[03:27:00] <moistmoskito> somiaj: ty i fixed my update widget as a result of you bringing that to my attention
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• 455[03:54:35] <Unplesantry> can i put debian efi into windowses efi?
• 456[03:55:04] <Unplesantry> /dev/sda7 efi system partition
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• 467[04:03:17] <moistmoskito> not gonna work
• 468[04:03:31] <moistmoskito> it will overwrite ... there must be a wiki for debian dual boot
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• 475[04:07:15] <whislock> Unplesantry: Yes. That's part of the purpose of an ESP.
• 476[04:07:59] <whislock> Unplesantry: Though I will say that partition 7 is an odd place for it, though not out of spec.
• 477[04:08:10] <Unplesantry> lel
• 478[04:08:16] <Unplesantry> r u positive>
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• 480[04:08:26] <Unplesantry> i want to play my game
• 481[04:08:34] <whislock> Yes. As long as your UEFI implementation is sane, you'll have two UEFI boot options.
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• 483[04:08:53] <whislock> Specify the existing ESP as the ESP during the Debian installation process.
• 484[04:09:02] <Unplesantry> looks like it goes into efi/debian
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• 486[04:09:13] <whislock> Correct.
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• 489[04:10:49] <Unplesantry> ther is already an efi/Microsoft
• 490[04:10:54] <whislock> Unplesantry: Also correct.
• 491[04:10:57] <whislock> That's how the ESP works.
• 492[04:10:59] <Unplesantry> better not put in the same folder
• 493[04:11:01] <Unplesantry> lol
• 494[04:11:06] <whislock> You don't specify the location at all.
• 495[04:11:19] <whislock> During the partitioning step, it should already be labeled as "EFI System Partition."
• 496[04:11:20] <Unplesantry> yah i dont see that
• 497[04:11:27] <whislock> Just leave it alone.
• 498[04:11:27] <Unplesantry> windows did that
• 499[04:11:34] <whislock> I know.
• 500[04:11:36] <Unplesantry> now im doing this
• 501[04:11:37] <Unplesantry> replaced-url
• 502[04:11:52] <Unplesantry> i better wait til the morning
• 503[04:13:10] <Unplesantry> thx
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• 534[04:55:13] <annadane> how do i start the xfce notification daemon?
• 535[04:55:52] <annadane> oh ok clicking show preview auto enables it
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• 556[05:40:43] <dacencora> Anyone here today?
• 557[05:40:50] <sponix> nope
• 558[05:41:07] <annadane> not at all
• 559[05:41:12] <dacencora> Weird issue with Steam here
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• 561[05:41:41] <dacencora> It keeps “downloading” games instantly. Only it doesn’t download them at all. But then it says it’s done
• 562[05:41:48] <dacencora> Never seen this issue begore
• 563[05:42:06] <dacencora> This may be the wrong place to ask about it
• 564[05:42:09] <sponix> dacencora: is it pointing to a game library that is full ?
• 565[05:42:30] <dacencora> Nope
• 566[05:42:33] <dacencora> Not at all
• 567[05:42:43] <sponix> Did you try turning it off, and then back on again ?
• 568[05:42:47] <dacencora> And it’s not every game either. Just a select few
• 569[05:43:03] <dacencora> Yes. And I have uninstalled and reinstalled Steam.
• 570[05:43:14] <sponix> What are these specific games doing it ?
• 571[05:43:33] <annadane> that sounds like a cache issue
• 572[05:43:42] <dacencora> SoulCalibur VI, Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 2 SOTFS
• 573[05:43:42] <annadane> if i had to guess
• 574[05:44:20] <sponix> dacencora: humor me, even if it is on the exact same drive -- create a new "Game Library" and select that one, and try doing them again :)
• 575[05:44:49] <dacencora> I did just that haha. No difference
• 576[05:44:57] <sponix> annadane: If this does nothing you say what -- nuke .steam and go from there ? :)
• 577[05:45:10] <dacencora> I just deleted the entire directory for steam under .local/share
• 578[05:45:23] <dacencora> So we’ll see what happens here
• 579[05:45:25] <sponix> dacencora: is that where it is stored ?
• 580[05:45:25] <annadane> not nuke .steam (if .steam is even a folder) but steam may have an option to clear the cache
• 581[05:45:40] * sponix goes to look
• 582[05:46:03] <dacencora> Yeah the .steam was just full of symlinks. I deleted it too, just to be sure
• 583[05:46:06] <sponix> dacencora: yeah man, you missed ".steam" just "mv .steam .blah"
• 584[05:46:16] <sponix> hmm
• 585[05:46:50] <sponix> dacencora: check both the Stream pages for those games, and online to see if others are reporting similar issues ?
• 586[05:47:27] <sponix> dacencora: ... Hmm, Dark Souls 2 -- So, that is likely a Windows Only game running through "Proton"
• 587[05:47:31] <sponix> right ?
• 588[05:47:38] <dacencora> Hmm, just remembered something odd that was offered and I selected earlier. When enabling SteamPlay for all titles, it has the option to select which proton version
• 589[05:47:41] <sponix> It could have its own cache that is jacked up
• 590[05:47:53] <dacencora> And there’s a new one called SteamRuntime
• 591[05:48:26] <BazookaTooth> i'd let steam pick the version. kept having issues when trying to force versions on certain titles
• 592[05:48:48] <dacencora> Ok so based on the array of things I did, it appears to be working now
• 593[05:48:56] <dacencora> Cautiously optimisitc
• 594[05:48:57] <BazookaTooth> that one ^ use the steamruntime one
• 595[05:49:15] <BazookaTooth> worked better for me anyway
• 596[05:49:17] <sponix> hmm, mine is broken at the moment.. think it is the 32 bit libs I'm missing
• 597[05:49:31] <dacencora> I actually just selected the latest Proton version
• 598[05:49:43] <dacencora> I believe that my issue was the steam directory
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• 602[05:50:12] <BazookaTooth> ah
• 603[05:50:31] * annadane shrugs
• 604[05:50:59] <annadane> i'm... too sophisticated to play video games. that's my excuse for not solving the problem
• 605[05:51:03] * annadane goes back to playing runescape
• 606[05:51:08] <sponix> dacencora: so you are all good now ?
• 607[05:51:08] <dacencora> So, initially I installed steam via the steam_latest.deb from the website, and when I installed it from the official repos, it just automatically kept using the other directory. Now that I removed everything, it has made the directories look more “Debian normal” because Debian Steam is different than other distros
• 608[05:51:15] <dacencora> I think so
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• 610[05:51:36] <dacencora> So here’s the lesson, kids: if it exists in the official repos, don’t install it manually
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• 613[05:52:13] <BazookaTooth> there's also the issue of games set to autoupdate which may cause problems if you dual boot to windows. not sure if you ran into that one but it's annoying
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• 615[05:52:31] <annadane> well, the "lesson" is don't install both
• 616[05:52:59] <dacencora> I didn’t install both; I uninstalled the manual one before trying the one from the official repos
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• 618[05:54:49] <BazookaTooth> steam needs a global option to set games to update only when launched instead of having to set them all manually -_-
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• 623[06:00:44] * nvz remembers when games had neither steam nor updates
• 624[06:01:25] * nvz does a little 2d sideways dance
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• 626[06:01:29] <nvz> just pixels..
• 627[06:02:17] <BazookaTooth> floppy disk installation! the horror
• 628[06:03:30] * nvz whips out an 8-inch floppy
• 629[06:04:10] <annadane> instructions unclear, installed slackware
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• 632[06:05:54] <BazookaTooth> or os/2 warp
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• 634[06:06:18] <nvz> I used to have to go to the library to "download" games onto 5.25 floppies
• 635[06:06:20] <annadane> i mean slackware is basically one giant game anyway
• 636[06:06:26] <annadane> probably more fun than a lot of triple A titles
• 637[06:06:33] <burrows> how do I remove a load of "To Be Filled By O.E.M." when I ssh into my machine?
• 638[06:06:36] <nvz> or type pages of machine code out of apple magazine
• 639[06:06:48] <nvz> burrows: is it in /etc/motd?
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• 641[06:06:54] <burrows> no, i looked
• 642[06:07:04] <nvz> burrows: /etc/issue?
• 643[06:07:17] <BazookaTooth> burrows: find out what is reading your bios for vendor information
• 644[06:07:18] <burrows> directory not found
• 645[06:07:30] <BazookaTooth> issue is a file
• 646[06:07:32] <nvz> ~/.bashrc ?
• 647[06:07:48] <burrows> Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid \n \l
• 648[06:07:57] <BazookaTooth> /etc/os-release is another
• 649[06:08:20] <burrows> no, not there
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• 651[06:08:40] <BazookaTooth> check your sshd config for what it's using for motd
• 652[06:08:55] <burrows> i disabled pam.motd
• 653[06:09:00] <burrows> or whatever it is
• 654[06:09:07] <nvz> yeah or string search the whole system :P
• 655[06:09:39] <burrows> everything seems to be related to my logitech mouse
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• 657[06:09:45] <nvz> I haven't used testing/unstable since buster released so I'm not really sure
• 658[06:09:59] <BazookaTooth> wtf does ssh have to do with your mouse
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• 660[06:10:19] <burrows> drivers installed on the system
• 661[06:11:06] <BazookaTooth> that filled by oem thing is usually from a string in your bios
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• 664[06:11:36] <burrows> oh, so it could be related to testing's new kernel
• 665[06:11:43] <BazookaTooth> ^
• 666[06:11:50] <burrows> replaced-url
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• 668[06:14:34] <BazookaTooth> yeah not related to ssh at all
• 669[06:14:42] <BazookaTooth> need more info
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• 671[06:16:47] <nvz> burrows: I'm beginning to think this message isnt comming from ssh but from the terminal on the client side
• 672[06:16:55] <BazookaTooth> yes
• 673[06:17:05] <BazookaTooth> need more context
• 674[06:17:07] <burrows> i'll vnc into the system
• 675[06:17:16] <nvz> also don't use pastebin.com its annoying
• 676[06:17:24] <burrows> sorry
• 677[06:17:43] <BazookaTooth> ix.io or zerobin.net or whatever
• 678[06:17:47] <nvz> paste.debian.net even
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• 680[06:18:08] <BazookaTooth> everyone loathes pastebin
• 681[06:18:20] <nvz> dpkg, pastebin.com?
• 682[06:18:20] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
• 683[06:18:47] <burrows> opening a terminal through vnc and ssh'ing into the same machine still displays the message
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• 685[06:19:01] <burrows> so it isn't client side
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• 694[06:31:18] <burrows> fixed
• 695[06:31:42] <LionOpeter> Hi, I am using the same command on terminal and on script and gets different results
• 696[06:31:43] <burrows> apt update (10 billion updates) then apt upgrade
• 697[06:31:50] <LionOpeter> Let me show you my command
• 698[06:31:59] <BazookaTooth> :)
• 699[06:32:32] <LionOpeter> This is the pattern: find . -mindepth 2 -name "*" -type f -exec grep -oP $line {} '+' > $proxySites/findOutFile.txt
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• 701[06:34:10] <SerajewelKS> LionOpeter: is the script run as a different user? from a different working directory?
• 702[06:34:13] <BazookaTooth> this one of those sh versus bash things?
• 703[06:34:29] <LionOpeter> No, same working directory
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• 705[06:34:51] <LionOpeter> Hehe i don't know BazookaTooth
• 706[06:35:02] <LionOpeter> Should i change to sh?
• 707[06:35:16] <SerajewelKS> LionOpeter: this line by itself looks fine. it's likely something else in the script is causing the difference in behavior but you haven't given enough info for us to tell.
• 708[06:35:16] <LionOpeter> I use #!/bin/bash
• 709[06:35:48] <LionOpeter> SerajewelKS, What info is missing?
• 710[06:35:55] <SerajewelKS> LionOpeter: the rest of the script
• 711[06:36:02] <BazookaTooth> paste the whole script
• 712[06:36:08] <LionOpeter> Ok
• 713[06:36:15] <SerajewelKS> LionOpeter: also an example of how the output differs would be good
• 714[06:36:22] <BazookaTooth> the outputs would help too
• 715[06:36:38] <LionOpeter> Sure
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• 720[06:45:34] <LionOpeter> Script: replaced-url
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• 724[06:48:58] * BazookaTooth squints at pastebin
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• 726[06:50:28] * nvz just ignored it
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• 728[06:51:06] <LionOpeter> Should i show the regex too?
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• 732[06:57:54] <LionOpeter> Suppose to be the same
• 733[06:58:52] <LionOpeter> Be right back
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• 743[07:26:15] <SerajewelKS> LionOpeter: my guess is that $line is different in both cases
• 744[07:26:31] <SerajewelKS> LionOpeter: by the way, it would be safer to pass this as "$line"
• 745[07:27:29] <SerajewelKS> LionOpeter: but it looks like both files use a different pattern
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• 747[07:27:59] <LionOpeter> I will try without the loop
• 748[07:27:59] <SerajewelKS> LionOpeter: since we can't see how you are running this "from the terminal not in a script" my guess is that $line is not the same
• 749[07:28:24] <LionOpeter> The loop takes from a file the regex pattern
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• 751[07:31:56] <LionOpeter> Yes, if i place the regex statically rather then pull it from the file - it gives the same result as if i gave the command from the terminal
• 752[07:32:12] <LionOpeter> But... why? and, how can i fix it?
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• 757[07:40:59] <BazookaTooth> this is one of those greycat questions he can answer in 2 seconds XD
• 758[07:44:08] <BazookaTooth> are you using like fish or something other than default for shell?
• 759[07:45:12] <BazookaTooth> still seems like one of those sh verus bash things
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• 763[07:49:39] <LionOpeter> Not using anything other than bash shell
• 764[07:50:46] <BazookaTooth> are you asking in #bash as well? greycat would still be your best bet there too but there are others
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• 766[07:52:36] <LionOpeter> greycat?
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• 770[07:54:36] <BazookaTooth> it's weird to not have him around actually but yeah replaced-url
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• 773[07:55:49] <LionOpeter> Ok
• 774[07:57:03] <LionOpeter> greycat is not online
• 775[07:57:13] <BazookaTooth> um yes
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• 777[07:57:48] <BazookaTooth> he's kind of a staple in certain channels
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• 780[08:07:20] <BazookaTooth> LionOpeter: come to think of it i had a similar problem when trying to use variables for handbrake-cli settings in a script. ended up just making aliases
• 781[08:07:50] <LionOpeter> Ok i got it BazookaTooth
• 782[08:08:01] <LionOpeter> The problem was that when i take from the file
• 783[08:08:24] <BazookaTooth> static versus variable?
• 784[08:08:26] <LionOpeter> Part of the regex contains \.
• 785[08:08:30] <BazookaTooth> oh
• 786[08:08:33] <BazookaTooth> diff thing
• 787[08:08:40] <LionOpeter> Yes
• 788[08:08:55] <LionOpeter> And when used in the script it is interpreted as .
• 789[08:08:55] <BazookaTooth> cool. long as it works :)
• 790[08:09:11] <LionOpeter> Backslash disappears
• 791[08:09:20] <LionOpeter> So i have to use double backslash
• 792[08:09:26] <LionOpeter> Then it works
• 793[08:09:27] <BazookaTooth> double .. yes
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• 795[08:09:35] <LionOpeter> :)
• 796[08:09:35] <BazookaTooth> was gona say it's getting escaped
• 797[08:09:51] <BazookaTooth> TYL
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• 801[08:10:08] <LionOpeter> Take Your Limit? :)
• 802[08:10:22] <BazookaTooth> today you learned!
• 803[08:10:38] <LionOpeter> Oh - you can say that again :)
• 804[08:10:44] <LionOpeter> TYL :)
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• 914[10:31:49] <NetTerminalGene> there is still no firefox 68.3 update. that's unacceptable >.<
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• 920[10:38:18] <NetTerminalGene> ,firefox
• 921[10:38:29] <NetTerminalGene> ,firefox-esr
• 922[10:38:43] <NetTerminalGene> asshole bot
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• 938[11:00:57] <elc79> Hi guys
• 939[11:02:20] <elc79> Anybody knows about a list of routers compatible with LibreCMC? A more extensive list than the offered in their site?
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• 947[11:08:21] <Paddy^> hello. i have nothing to complain. my debian desktop runs absolutely fine!
• 948[11:08:42] <toruvinn> actually, same here.
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• 965[11:31:42] <bittin_> Can i ask a stupid question?
• 966[11:32:26] <Paddy^> !ask
• 967[11:32:26] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 969[11:32:48] <bittin_> Anyone know if there is images for the Bullseye Alpha yet?
• 970[11:33:05] <bittin_> replaced-url
• 971[11:33:37] <Paddy^> bittin_: check out the debian website. there should be a link to the daily/weekly builds
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• 974[11:35:31] <Paddy^> --> replaced-url
• 975[11:35:47] <bittin_> Paddy^, thanks :)
• 976[11:36:03] <Paddy^> welcome
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• 980[11:41:51] <EdePopede> ,v firefox-esr
• 981[11:41:52] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb9u2; buster: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.2.0esr-1+b1; sid: 68.3.0esr-1
• 982[11:42:22] <EdePopede> works for me, NetTerminalGene ;)
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• 985[11:47:33] <Regor> what is recommended cli tool to make bootable usb ? on buster/xfce .
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• 989[11:48:40] <Miles8of9> bootable debian iso from pendrive? docs say "dd"...
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• 991[11:48:59] <Regor> yeah
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• 993[11:49:04] <ratrace> cp works too
• 994[11:51:02] <Regor> thanks 😀️
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• 1005[12:05:49] <moistmoskito> coffee hour
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• 1009[12:09:01] <moistmoskito> i was gonna write a script if possible that does an apt update into a ~/.whatever folder and does apt list --upgradable against it. that way i can see if there are potential updates without root. does this already exist in debian?
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• 1011[12:09:26] <ratrace> moistmoskito: apticron
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• 1017[12:11:27] <moistmoskito> so apt-listchanges may be the piece i want ty
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• 1066[12:48:15] <srged> is this command ok for the corntab? @hourly sudo fstrim -v / ;
• 1067[12:48:33] <srged> (i basically want it to trim very hour)
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• 1075[13:00:02] <jelly> srged: sudo by default requires a tty. You can put the cron job in root's crontab instead, or in a file under /etc/cron.hourly/ but watch out for the difference in syntax
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• 1077[13:01:01] <srged> jelly: they say u can edit... crontab -e
• 1078[13:01:13] <srged> niw the question is to use the right command
• 1079[13:01:33] <srged> i guess this will run it every hour. 0 * * * * sudo fstrim -v / ;
• 1080[13:02:18] <srged> replaced-url
• 1081[13:02:51] <srged> what do u think of it ?
• 1082[13:02:53] <jelly> srged: "crontab -e" edits one user's crontab. root is a user and also has a user crontab.
• 1083[13:03:35] <srged> jelly: i only use one use all the time. so there should be ok?
• 1084[13:03:54] <srged> one user always*
• 1085[13:04:06] <jelly> srged: you won't be able to use sudo in crontab by default. cron jobs do not have a tty.
• 1086[13:04:50] <srged> i see
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• 1089[13:05:09] <jelly> additionally, it's silly to have a command that's going to be run by root anyway, stored in a normal user's crontab
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• 1093[13:05:56] <srged> how do i put it in root's crontab ?
• 1094[13:06:08] <jelly> run "crontab -e" as root.
• 1095[13:06:30] <srged> cool
• 1096[13:06:43] <jelly> also, what's the use of that last ; character?
• 1097[13:07:51] <srged> jelly, no use ill remove that
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• 1099[13:09:12] <srged> jelly, now its done, how do i know its working ?
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• 1101[13:09:32] <JyZyXEL> from all the emails it will send you
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• 1103[13:09:52] <srged> JyZyXEL: i did not set up any email
• 1104[13:11:45] <jelly> srged: then the messages will be delivered to local mailbox for the user running the job
• 1105[13:11:50] <JyZyXEL> i think it defaults to your local mailbox
• 1106[13:11:58] <srged> ok
• 1107[13:12:31] <jelly> that might be /var/mail/root, or might be soemthing else, depending on which MTA is installed and how it's configured
• 1108[13:12:51] <jelly> try sending a mail to root manually and see where it ends up
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• 1110[13:13:36] <jelly> echo test | mail -s test root
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• 1113[13:18:17] <srged> jelly: yea it ended up in /var/mail/mail
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• 1115[13:18:59] <jelly> you can read that with, dunno, mutt or pine
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• 1118[13:19:45] <jelly> mutt -f /var/mail/mail (as root, probably)
• 1119[13:20:09] <srged> jelly: or tomorrow i wiull try a manyal trim and see how much it will trim. if its 50gb as usual then its not working , otherwise it does :)
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• 1130[13:26:25] <jelly> srged: doesn't it always trim roughly the whole free space?
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• 1135[13:28:48] <srged> jelly: my samsung ssd was from a bad batch. they later released new firmware for it to work properly. however no firmware for linux users at all... so the drive does not trim by default... so i needed to manually do it from time to time, but now i automatizate it
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• 1137[13:30:02] <srged> even so, my reads are low. Timing buffered disk reads: 292 MB in 3.02 seconds = 96.80 MB/sec
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• 1139[13:30:46] <srged> its true i have a sata2 laptop and the ssd is sata3. but isnt 96 too low ? i tought i'd have like 300 ?
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• 1144[13:33:07] <jelly> that's a question for a hardware channel, perhaps, but read performance should not be affected by trim or a lack of
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• 1146[13:35:25] <JyZyXEL> blindly trimming every hour could however introduce nasty latency spikes in interactive applications
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• 1153[13:37:39] <JyZyXEL> if you want to keep a device trimmed, why not just enable discards?
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• 1155[13:39:19] <srged> JyZyXEL: i think im all set now , with this hourly corn job
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• 1173[13:56:20] <nvz> heh
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• 1175[13:57:00] <nvz> just keep on shuckin..
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• 1181[14:00:57] <tomnor> I see no button for creating a new directory on the Files application, where did it go?
• 1182[14:01:45] <Miles8of9> i have written iso image to usb pendrive using win32diskimager but now the pendrive shows like it's 12 mb instead of 16 gb... and has few files inside
• 1183[14:01:48] <nvz> maybe you have no permission to create a directory
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• 1185[14:03:00] <tomnor> nvz: yes I have
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• 1189[14:04:03] <Miles8of9> iso file verification in win32diskimager is ok but check with contents written on the pendrive fails
• 1190[14:04:37] <whislock> Miles8of9: 1. That program is trash. 2. You're seeing the filesystem size, not the drive size. 3. Once written, the contents aren't the same as the ISO, and it's going to fail.
• 1191[14:04:40] <tomnor> aha, now I found it, its a down-arrow sort of in the adress field
• 1192[14:04:45] <tomnor> that's new to me
• 1193[14:05:12] <jelly> Miles8of9: debian's iso puts its own partition table on the device so it's okay it looks smaller
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• 1195[14:05:40] <Miles8of9> i used rufus and i have been told here rufus is bad... and to use win32diskimager...!
• 1196[14:06:19] <whislock> Because most people don't read, and use Rufus in ISO mode, which mangles the contents of the ISO. Rufus in DD mode works fine.
• 1197[14:06:33] <jelly> Miles8of9: win32diskimager is fine for this
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• 1201[14:08:52] <jelly> whislock: can you suggest better wording for the rufus factoid if you know how it can be used in a safe manner?
• 1202[14:09:11] <jelly> right now it's
• 1203[14:09:13] <jelly> !rufus
• 1204[14:09:13] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 1205[14:10:07] <whislock> Sure!
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• 1209[14:11:22] <whislock> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 1210[14:11:24] <whislock> Would that work?
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• 1215[14:13:04] <nvz> dpkg rufus =~ s/images,/images MUST be written in "DD Mode,"/
• 1216[14:13:04] <dpkg> OK, nvz
• 1217[14:14:29] <Miles8of9> hmm i suspected it needed to be written in dd mode using rufus
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• 1224[14:14:56] <Miles8of9> !hybrid images
• 1225[14:14:56] <dpkg> Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See replaced-url
• 1226[14:15:07] <nvz> ,factinfo rufus
• 1227[14:15:17] <nvz> !factinfo rufus
• 1228[14:15:17] <dpkg> rufus -- created by themill <~stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Thu Jun 11 06:06:58 2015 (1640 days); it has been requested 133 times, last by jelly, 6m 4s ago.
• 1229[14:16:01] <whislock> !rufus
• 1230[14:16:01] <nvz> well that factoid is 4.5 years old.. maybe it didnt have dd mode back then *shrug*
• 1231[14:16:01] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 1232[14:16:19] <whislock> nvz: No, it didn't. At the time, that factoid was completely accurate.
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• 1241[14:27:45] <whislock> That factoid seems to have gotten a little mixed up?
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• 1249[14:32:57] <nvz> dpkg rufus =~ s/," as/," otherwise/
• 1250[14:32:57] <dpkg> nvz: OK
• 1251[14:33:07] * nvz shrugs
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• 1263[14:36:49] <whislock> dpkg rufus =~ s/It is not recommended for use with //
• 1264[14:36:49] <dpkg> whislock: OK
• 1265[14:36:52] <whislock> !rufus
• 1266[14:36:52] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 1267[14:37:01] <whislock> Oh, I didn't know I could do that.
• 1268[14:37:46] <nvz> whislock: you can also just say dpkg, no rufus is rewrite the whole factoid
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• 1270[14:38:25] <whislock> Sounds like Supybot.
• 1271[14:38:33] * nvz is barely awake yet
• 1272[14:38:41] <nvz> dpkg, what are you?
• 1273[14:38:41] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
• 1274[14:38:53] <whislock> !infobot
• 1275[14:38:53] <dpkg> Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See replaced-url
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• 1278[14:39:05] <nvz> supybot/limnoria's factoids kinda suck compared to these
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• 1280[14:39:50] <whislock> Fair enough./
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• 1282[14:41:12] <nvz> whislock: you can also use things like <reply> and <action> otherwise it kind of freestyles.. if you just say dpkg, foo is bar and you call up foo it'll do it differently each time saying things like well, I heard foo is bar or someone said foo is bar.. but if yo uuse <reply> it repeats it verbatim
• 1283[14:41:21] <jelly> !rufus
• 1284[14:41:21] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 1285[14:41:32] <whislock> Yeah, so far, that sounds like what I'm used to, e.g. phrik@#archlinux
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• 1287[14:42:33] <jelly> there are plugins for limnoria/supy that are _almost_ compatible with infobot's factoid db
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• 1294[14:50:36] <moistmoskito> rewriting is such a pita
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• 1329[15:19:33] <Bushmaster> hello, quick inquiry, I got a primary partition in which one of the Linux distros sits, and followed by a extended partition where I have two other distros sits, I use the distros at my extended partition heavily for work but now I am thinking to eliminate the distro that are sitting in my primary partition and replace it with better distro, if I do that, will that new distro will able to list up my other distros in extended partition vi GRUB?
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• 1335[15:21:23] <trek00> Bushmaster: yes, but you need to configure the new grub as it is configured now
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• 1337[15:21:57] <trek00> Bushmaster: also you should make a bootable USB stick to be able to repair grub, just in case
• 1338[15:21:57] <Bushmaster> hi trek00 good to see you
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• 1341[15:22:50] <Bushmaster> sounds bit complicated let me show you how my partitions are laid out here trek00 replaced-url
• 1342[15:23:32] <Bushmaster> trek00, that sda2 and sda3, I plan on getting rid of, these are in primary partition
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• 1345[15:24:17] <Bushmaster> but I do not want distros (Debian and Mint) in my extended partition failed to boot up if I install new distro in primary
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• 1349[15:25:16] <trek00> Bushmaster: it should make no difference to boot a primary or an extended partition
• 1350[15:25:39] <Bushmaster> trek00, all the help you provided installation of MySQL and PHP are in Debian in my extended partition and I don't want that all gets messed up you see
• 1351[15:26:13] <Joit> i disconnect my drives all time, what i want to be untouched, and afterwards, all is done, i do a sudo update-grub.
• 1352[15:26:22] <trek00> Bushmaster: may be you would try install grub on the debian partition before to get rid of linuxes on your primary partitions
• 1353[15:26:33] <Joit> just in case i mess something at partitioning up :p
• 1354[15:27:07] <rabbitear_g> replaced-url
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• 1356[15:27:29] <Bushmaster> trek00, currently it gives me a list of distros in GRUB when I booth the machine up and I just do up arrow and down arrow to choose distro and hit enter for booting, hence multi booting, will that be same once I delete that Elementary distro sitting in primary partition and replace it with something you may shed some light in terms of distro selection
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• 1358[15:28:53] <Bushmaster> trek00, that sounds challenging for me
• 1359[15:29:03] <trek00> Bushmaster: if you want to retain your debian partition, may be it's safer to install grub on that partition, with os-prober to get others booting options
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• 1362[15:29:50] <Bushmaster> and you know how to do all that trek00 ?
• 1363[15:30:07] <Joit> you can also install grub at more drives, and toggle during boot from what drive you will boot
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• 1365[15:31:13] <Bushmaster> conventionally, I just install distros and it picks up other distros and GRUB list pops up, but this time, its tricky cos if I get rid of Elementary from primary partition and lets say install Ubuntu in it, during installation Ubuntu may say 'I cant see anything in your extended partition'
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• 1371[15:33:01] <Bushmaster> I have never installed GRUB separately hence not sure I have the confident to do so trek00
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• 1373[15:33:25] <Joit> it will not say that, you install it anyway into /dev/sda, and it autodetects all systems
• 1374[15:33:41] <Bushmaster> I wanted to get rid of that Elementary distro, no offence, its a non user friendly GUI interphase
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• 1379[15:34:12] <Joit> grub auto install during the installation anyway
• 1380[15:34:15] <trek00> Bushmaster: there are many ways to accomplish that, you can install grub on your extended partition and set this partition as bootable, or you can install ubuntu on your primary partition and let him to do the work, anyway you should be able to recover a broken grub if you have a bootable usb-stick with live linux or debian installation
• 1381[15:34:21] <Bushmaster> Joit, you sure it will auto detect my distros in extended partition here Joit this is the lay out of my partitions replaced-url
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• 1388[15:35:11] <trek00> Bushmaster: if the package os-prober is installed it should check other partitions
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• 1393[15:36:14] <Joit> and well, the bootsector is a seperate part of a disc, it will not affect the rest of the files
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• 1395[15:36:36] <Bushmaster> sounds good trek00 and Joint, what I will do, I will get into this channel from my other computer and do the operation of installation so that if anything during installation goes wrong, I can consult with good folks here trek00
• 1396[15:36:43] <Joit> i never saw grub not detecting a system
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• 1400[15:37:52] <Bushmaster> Thanks Joit and trek00, now can you suggest Debian based another distro for me? A solid stable one that I can use for MySQL, PHP like trek00 has kind enough to taught me
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• 1407[15:39:55] <Joit> seems debian is the most stable is for now. other distros go to this "on-the-fly" upgrades to higher versions, what can cause some broken sysems
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• 1410[15:40:28] <whislock> Joit: Depends heavily on the distro. Be careful of overly generic statements.
• 1411[15:40:56] <Bushmaster> oh yeah Debian is grandfather of all distros, I been using it for years and never broken, Joit I have Debian 9 and Mint in that extended partition, hence in my primary partition I want something else
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• 1413[15:41:24] <ratrace> not quite all
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• 1415[15:41:35] <Joit> whislock: the question was about stable distros. whats your suggestion ?
• 1416[15:41:37] <whislock> Technically Slackware is the old man in the neighborhood.
• 1417[15:41:49] <whislock> Or, one of.
• 1418[15:41:55] <ratrace> yeah, Slackware and SuSE
• 1419[15:41:56] <Bushmaster> oh no, slackware is really hard
• 1420[15:42:10] <Bushmaster> Suse looks really good but its commands are weird right?
• 1421[15:42:15] <whislock> It's not hard. Just different.
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• 1423[15:42:29] <whislock> Bushmaster: Nearly all (all?) Linux distros have the same command set as a base.
• 1424[15:42:30] <soul-d> linux from scratch if your not busy for a month
• 1425[15:42:33] <Joit> suse is at parts non-free?
• 1426[15:42:35] <ratrace> all GNU/Linux distros have pretty much same commands, except a few differences, notably package managers
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• 1428[15:42:56] <whislock> Joit: Assuming one cares about that.
• 1429[15:43:24] <Bushmaster> oh no, but Suse use yam commands or something, not same like the one I am confortable typing in Debian or Mint
• 1430[15:43:28] <Joit> well, you have to count at suse, to pay for it, if you want get it
• 1431[15:43:37] <whislock> Joit: False. OpenSUSE.
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• 1433[15:44:17] <Bushmaster> I know they are good distros but I do not think I can handle it and I will end up bothering you again and again to learn it if I install Suse or Slack
• 1434[15:44:24] <Joit> "rolling-release" is the system what manjaro and others now "try"
• 1435[15:44:27] <ratrace> Bushmaster: (Open)SuSE specifically has yast for config management and zypp as package manager
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• 1437[15:44:58] <whislock> Joit: Arch is a rolling-release system. I've found it quite stable over the years.
• 1438[15:45:04] <ratrace> Bushmaster: oh you wouldn't bother us, no :) You'd bother folks of #opensuse :))
• 1439[15:45:05] <Bushmaster> ratrace, OpenSuse looks really good, I like its desktop I have seen it in the past but I think its little intimidating
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• 1441[15:45:37] <whislock> Joit: And 'try,' especially in scare quotes, is a loaded term. FreeBSD is also 'rolling,' in a way, given how ports work. No one would ever argue that FreeBSD is unstable.
• 1442[15:45:39] <ratrace> it's just KDE or GNOME with a nice theme. they don't modify them much if at all.
• 1443[15:45:46] <Bushmaster> yes ratrace
• 1444[15:45:49] <ratrace> like you can get the same themes on Debian
• 1445[15:46:04] <soul-d> use to use fedora but with 6 month release cycle and 1 year support it gets a bit like finally system stable and support drops
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• 1447[15:46:37] <Bushmaster> Joit, what you suggest and trek00 by now probably know my strength and weakness handing Linux
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• 1449[15:46:51] <whislock> I guess I've been doing this long enough that any distro is the same as the rest, to me.
• 1450[15:46:51] <Joit> whislock: i was pointing to, that it can breake your system, what already happend some times. whislock are you going for "i go searching for erros in your arguments" mode???
• 1451[15:47:00] <Joit> or are simple bored
• 1452[15:47:11] <Joit> second time, you want twist my words
• 1453[15:47:21] <whislock> Joit: Any update can break your system, Debian or otherwise. Don't make erroneous statements, and I won't point them out.
• 1454[15:47:23] <soul-d> just make and oerferable seperate hd for home / data that way it's easy to redo distro
• 1455[15:47:30] <rabbitear_g> replaced-url
• 1456[15:47:30] <ratrace> there are several stables here: a) for horses, b) stable API/ABI/no-new-features-only-bugfixes, c) won't crash kinda stable so one must be explicit which of them is used in a sentence :)
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• 1458[15:47:42] <Joit> whislock: i somewhat know exatly, that now this argument will come ... :d
• 1459[15:47:56] <Joit> seems really you are a bit bored today
• 1460[15:48:05] <whislock> Joit: I'm not here to cater to your feelings. I'm interested only in facts. If that causes you issues, that's your problem.
• 1461[15:48:07] <Bushmaster> whislock, I am sure you are fluent in many distros but I am not fluent, it gonna be hard for me steep learning curve for OpenSuse or Slakware I think
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• 1463[15:48:16] <whislock> Bushmaster: Much less than you think. :)
• 1464[15:48:24] <ratrace> except slackware :)
• 1465[15:48:27] <whislock> Bushmaster: I am not trying to warn you off of Debian, or any other distro, don't worry.
• 1466[15:48:32] <whislock> Yeah, Slackware is a different creature.
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• 1468[15:49:07] <whislock> Bushmaster: If you want a stable system with similar administration style to what you know, you can't go wrong with Debian.
• 1469[15:49:23] <Bushmaster> whislock, I am using Debian for many years and love it but I do not want another Debian 9 in my primary partition, but I do want Debian based distro in it though
• 1470[15:50:01] <Bushmaster> I am not a big fan of Ubuntu
• 1471[15:50:10] <whislock> Best I can suggest?
• 1472[15:50:20] <Bushmaster> and I already have mint which is nice enough but I use Debian most for me work
• 1473[15:50:24] <Joit> whislock: talking about stable distros, the "rolling-release" updates, what some hesitate a long time, becaue it CAN break easier the system was a discussion topic. So if you want a stable Distro and not fixing at unexpected moments your system, then they are not the best choice
• 1474[15:50:25] <whislock> Try the ones you're interested in in a live image or a VM or something.
• 1475[15:50:43] <soul-d> it all depends on wants i liked fedora they also have some great spins to setup some specigic stuff
• 1476[15:50:43] <whislock> Bushmaster: If you're interested in learning, though, consider branching out a bit.
• 1477[15:50:46] <ratrace> Joit: rolling release is orthogonal to "stable"
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• 1481[15:51:09] <Joit> ...
• 1482[15:51:21] <ratrace> I've had to fix unexpected moments in most "stable" (as in B and C kind) of them all: Debian.
• 1483[15:51:26] <Bushmaster> Fedora is like OpenSuse yam commands etc right?
• 1484[15:51:49] <whislock> Bushmaster: Fedora/CentOS/RHEL/etc. use yum (now dnf). OpenSUSE uses 'zypper.'
• 1485[15:51:50] <ratrace> and I've had no unexpected moments with rolling release Gentoo (until I did, just like with Debian)
• 1486[15:51:56] <soul-d> no yum it was but its rpm based it is still think the test bed version for redhat
• 1487[15:51:58] <whislock> But the concepts are much the same.
• 1488[15:52:26] <whislock> soul-d: Eh, a lot of people say that, but Fedora IS its own project. Sure, a lot of what ends up in RHEL starts there, but that doesn't make it a 'beta test' distro.
• 1489[15:52:32] <trek00> Bushmaster: why you would install ma
• 1490[15:52:36] <trek00> many linux distributions?
• 1491[15:52:40] <trek00> what is your goal?
• 1492[15:53:02] <soul-d> not what i said i said test bed wich is true
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• 1496[15:54:31] <Joit> the problems are more the peoples behind, what put the stuff together, because they are, what cause the errors
• 1497[15:54:35] <whislock> soul-d: And I just said that that's not the case.
• 1498[15:54:51] <whislock> soul-d: As in, "you are wrong."
• 1499[15:54:54] <soul-d> no you said beta wich is something completly different
• 1500[15:54:54] <whislock> replaced-url
• 1501[15:54:58] <soul-d> and refers to state of code
• 1502[15:55:01] <soul-d> so no
• 1503[15:55:02] <whislock> Okay. You are still wrong.
• 1504[15:55:07] <whislock> Read the link.
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• 1506[15:55:43] <whislock> Fedora is not a test bed for RHEL. End of story.
• 1507[15:55:46] <soul-d> again
• 1508[15:55:48] <soul-d> i am rgiht
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• 1510[15:55:55] <soul-d> they just think people think it means
• 1511[15:55:57] <soul-d> not tested
• 1512[15:56:01] <whislock> Not according to Fedora, and I'm pretty sure they get the final say.
• 1513[15:56:06] <whislock> Read. The. Link.
• 1514[15:56:13] <soul-d> "rding to Fedora, and I'm pretty sure they get the final say"
• 1515[15:56:26] <soul-d> "This does not mean that Fedora is untested, it simply means that Fedora is a rapidly progressing platform."
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• 1517[15:56:32] <whislock> What is this today with people thinking that claiming they're correct without any evidence makes them right?
• 1518[15:56:41] <Bushmaster> trek00, very good question and to be honest, I have no assertive answer, right now, I want to get rid of that Elementary distro from primary partition because I wanted to install Apache, MySQL and PHP / PHP Admin just like you showed me and record the entire stuffs by using screencast called vokoscreen but elemnetary posed problems and I hated its design
• 1519[15:56:49] <soul-d> "t simply means that Fedora is a rapidly progressing platform."
• 1520[15:56:52] <soul-d> they even admit it
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• 1522[15:57:08] <whislock> Bushmaster: ElementaryOS?
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• 1525[15:57:33] <soul-d> it's even in the wording
• 1526[15:57:44] <soul-d> "fedora is unrealiable "JUST A TESTBED "
• 1527[15:57:48] <Bushmaster> trek00, the idea is to create a video of Apache, MySQL and PHP installation in command lines so that I can upload it in You Tube
• 1528[15:58:02] <soul-d> thats a negative statement i can see why you want to combat it like that
• 1529[15:58:14] <soul-d> but they just explain its not negative :)
• 1530[15:58:43] <Bushmaster> I will be back little later, I need to go out and get some shopping, traffic is bad at this hour
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• 1532[15:59:23] <Bushmaster> Folks, I do not think I can go with Fedora, Suse or Slack
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• 1535[15:59:39] <whislock> Bushmaster: Why not?
• 1536[15:59:43] <ratrace> InstallGentoo(tm)
• 1537[15:59:46] <Bushmaster> it will probably something I need to find from distrowatch website i think
• 1538[15:59:59] <Bushmaster> oh No, Gentoo is even harder
• 1539[16:00:00] <whislock> Bushmaster: Back up. Why do you feel that you're so limited?
• 1540[16:00:05] <Bushmaster> whislock, they are hard
• 1541[16:00:10] <whislock> Bushmaster: Based on what?
• 1542[16:00:38] <whislock> Bushmaster: Different != difficult. It'll take you all of, uh, a few minutes to learn the new package manager commands.
• 1543[16:00:52] <whislock> Slack, I wouldn't suggest, though.
• 1544[16:00:58] <whislock> That one DOES have a learning curve.
• 1545[16:01:11] <whislock> Fedora, Suse, etc? The package manager is about the only change.
• 1546[16:01:14] <Bushmaster> you know when trek00 and few other folks helped me to installed Apache-MYSQL-PHP in Debian and Debian caused no issues, I doubt it would be same if I wanna do the same thing with Suse, Gentoo, Slack and Fedora
• 1547[16:01:28] <whislock> Still the same kernel, still the same commands (package manager aside), still the same locations, etc.
• 1548[16:01:46] <whislock> Bushmaster: You doubt based on what experience or evidence?
• 1549[16:01:52] <Bushmaster> I like Suse for sure but I am not confident
• 1550[16:02:12] <ratrace> artificial, self-imposed limitations
• 1551[16:02:22] <whislock> Bushmaster: There it is. You're rendering two judgments that don't make sense: That they're somehow more difficult than Debian (they're not), and that you can't learn the minor differences (you can).
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• 1553[16:02:36] <Bushmaster> well, I think I had suse once long time ago and I found it intimidating, but then again, I did not spend time much or consulted
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• 1555[16:03:00] <whislock> Bushmaster: Give yourself some credit. Try something new, learn. I suspect you'll find the transition far less daunting.
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• 1557[16:03:23] <soul-d> you can alway install it into some virtual machine first
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• 1559[16:03:38] <whislock> Bushmaster: I can tell you that the #fedora and #suse communities are also very helpful.
• 1560[16:03:43] <soul-d> if its the installatiom process that bothers you
• 1561[16:03:55] <Bushmaster> okay, I will check OpenSuse when I return, I did like it cos it had that Chamelon popped up and I love reptiles, Bushmaster itself is one of the pitvier snakes you find in tropics
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• 1563[16:04:07] <whislock> There you go.
• 1564[16:04:25] <whislock> Never be afraid to experiment. You learn far more by stepping into the unknown and breaking something, then fixing it, than you do sitting in your comfortable space forever.
• 1565[16:04:45] <whislock> Just... have backups. Please.
• 1566[16:04:53] <Bushmaster> do they still have that Chamelion, I know I am simply considering the stunning cosmetic and aesthetic beauty of OpenSuse which is actually really nice
• 1567[16:05:10] <whislock> That chameleon has been the Suse logo forever, as far as I know.
• 1568[16:05:12] <whislock> It's not going ANYWHERE.
• 1569[16:05:20] <Bushmaster> ohyeah
• 1570[16:05:20] <ratrace> gecko :)
• 1571[16:05:25] <Bushmaster> yes gecko
• 1572[16:05:32] <whislock> Geeko.
• 1573[16:05:34] <Bushmaster> i enjoyed that
• 1574[16:05:36] <whislock> It's a chameleon.
• 1575[16:05:51] <ratrace> they recently wanted to rename the distro, but the stupid idea was shot pretty fast.
• 1576[16:05:54] <Bushmaster> and you think OpenSuse will pick up my other distros in extended partition during installation?
• 1577[16:06:31] <ratrace> Bushmaster: since it's using Grub, and Grub has os-prober (in any distro that uses grub), then yeah
• 1578[16:06:33] <Bushmaster> if they would change the name to Chameleon that would be great and its so attractive desktop
• 1579[16:06:33] <Joit> Bushmaster: grub does do that, and it is anywhere the same
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• 1581[16:06:38] <marduk> hello folks can anyone tell what is wrong with slax? I downloaded it from oficial website, made a bootable flashdrive, booted it, and first time I opened a web browser it was full with adds :( it was fev months ago
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• 1584[16:07:32] <Bushmaster> okay, I need to get to shopping, I hate driving at this hour but gotta go, be back and possibly will go ahead with OpenSuse Installation then
• 1585[16:07:43] <whislock> marduk: Unfortunately, Slax isn't supported here.
• 1586[16:09:02] <ratrace> Bushmaster: btw, why don't you have one distro installed (Debian) and use VMs for all the... testing and playing?
• 1587[16:09:10] <whislock> Bushmaster: %
• 1588[16:09:13] <whislock> %
• 1589[16:09:15] <whislock> ^
• 1590[16:09:17] <whislock> Holy hell, can't type.
• 1591[16:09:30] <whislock> Bushmaster: What ratrace is suggesting is a very good idea. See virtualbox, etc.
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• 1601[16:16:36] <annadane> don't worry, i'm useless with the top row of characters too
• 1602[16:16:45] <annadane> rest of my keyboard, memorized. top row? ehhhhh
• 1603[16:16:51] <annadane> i usually have to cheat and look
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• 1650[17:00:42] <srged> does anyone here use an ssd on a sata2 laptop ?
• 1651[17:00:59] <whislock> Not lately.
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• 1658[17:02:44] <srged> whislock: but when u did. what was the actual speed that the ssd was performing at ?
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• 1661[17:03:26] <whislock> srged: If it's connected via sata2, you're going to be capped at 375MB/sec.
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• 1663[17:03:49] <nyov> why do you say 375?
• 1664[17:04:10] <whislock> sata2 is 3 gbit/sec.
• 1665[17:04:16] <srged> whislock: yes i know but my actual reading is like 100. not even close to the expected 300. why is that
• 1666[17:04:27] <whislock> srged: What kind of ssd?
• 1667[17:04:36] <jelly> 3Gbps is just wire speed, the protocol makes it less effective
• 1668[17:04:39] <srged> samsung evo 840 120gb
• 1669[17:05:03] <nyov> I'd say less than 300MB/s
• 1670[17:05:21] <jelly> I _think_ it's 300MB/s transfer
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• 1673[17:05:34] <whislock> I never said you'll GET 375. Just that that's the absolute limit of the connection.
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• 1675[17:05:41] <nyov> but depends on your PCI bus effectively. If you run a SATA plugin-in board on a 66MHz PCI bus. well....
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• 1677[17:06:33] <srged> i was even considering selling my ssd and grab another one, but im afraid the speed will be the same...
• 1678[17:07:51] <jelly> right, > Second-generation SATA interfaces run with a native transfer rate of 3.0 Gbit/s that, when accounted for the 8b/10b encoding scheme, equals to the maximum uncoded transfer rate of 2.4 Gbit/s (300 MB/s).
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• 1681[17:08:12] <Bushmaster> whislock, and ratrace I am not familiar with Virtual Box set up at all and since I already have extended partition with Debian 9 and Mint in it, I do not want to delete all that and get a clean installment of one distro to get into virtual box
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• 1685[17:09:37] <tds> srged: how are you testing this?
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• 1688[17:09:56] <srged> tds: fstrim
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• 1690[17:10:20] <jsubl2> what's a good desktop for an older laptop. would like for suspend to work ok on lid close
• 1691[17:10:28] <tds> srged: you're testing disk speed with fstrim?
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• 1693[17:10:34] <srged> jsubl2: lxde
• 1694[17:10:43] <jelly> srged: fwiw my 7 year old 120GB ocz vertex3 does about 280MB/s with a simple hdparm -t /dev/sdc test
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• 1696[17:11:02] <jsubl2> ok tx srged
• 1697[17:11:16] <srged> tds: i meant this.... sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda1
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• 1699[17:11:45] <jelly> srged: and if you test on whole /dev/sda is there any difference?
• 1700[17:11:58] <srged> no
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• 1766[17:46:11] <jelly> srged: maybe, but even when it was in a SATA1 laptop it would do preety much exactly 180MB/s
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• 1770[17:47:33] <srged> jelly: and how would u explain my super low reading ?
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• 1773[17:48:40] <jelly> I don't
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• 1775[17:49:22] <jelly> see if a different distro or different OS works better, maybe. Update firmware if there's a newer one.
• 1776[17:49:51] <srged> k
• 1777[17:51:40] <nvz> I'm getting 370MB/s on my SanDisk SD7SB3Q128G1001 SATA SSD and 465MB/s on my Tracend TS240GMTS420S m.2 SSD on this Thinkpad T440
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• 1782[17:53:38] <nvz> AHCI reports a 6Gbps interface
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• 1784[17:54:18] <livebrain> a
• 1785[17:54:21] <nvz> which would be a 750MB/s interface
• 1786[17:54:45] <nvz> and the Transcend ssd isn't in use.. not mounted
• 1787[17:54:50] <sponix> anyone have that guide handy of how to pull a few specific things from the backports for Buster ?
• 1788[17:55:13] <jelly> !buster-backports
• 1789[17:55:13] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
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• 1791[17:55:49] <jelly> b.d.o repos are created specifically to only ever get specific things from there, not everything
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• 1795[17:57:14] <sponix> jelly: thanks ;)
• 1796[17:57:16] <annadane> apt install -t buster-backports foo
• 1797[17:57:49] <sponix> annadane: thank you also
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• 1807[18:05:18] <annadane> does openbox need anything special to run virt-manager in it? i think i've had polkit issues in the past though i may also just need to add myself to the libvirt group
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• 1809[18:07:04] <trek00> annadane: openbox does nothing special, is just like running plain X11
• 1810[18:07:19] <sponix> annadane: yeah, adding yourself to the group is a step in the right direction. Outside of that I don't thin Openbox being your choice makes it any more difficult
• 1811[18:07:22] <annadane> well, i'll have to look at the error message more closely next time then
• 1812[18:07:33] <trek00> annadane: probably you need to do all things logind does for you, like adding to groups
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• 1822[18:12:19] <annadane> yeah maybe
• 1823[18:12:21] <annadane> less abstraction
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• 1848[18:24:45] <jhutchins> What are you benchmarking your drives with.
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• 1859[18:28:59] <trek00> jhutchins: bonnie++ which makes nice charts (with gnuplot may be?)
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• 1863[18:29:58] <trek00> like that replaced-url
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• 1909[19:04:41] <oxek> is there anything specific I need to do in debian to make this work: replaced-url
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• 1914[19:07:17] <petn-randall> oxek: Hard to say without knowing the chipset, but I'm going to guess "no". If in doubt, check the specific model with the search word "linux" to check if anyone ran into trouble with it.
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• 1917[19:08:34] <oxek> the only chipset info I can see is ASM1142
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• 1922[19:10:28] <oxek> which looks like a very old chipset, so it should work in debian
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• 1957[19:34:33] <Jonas12231> /help -l
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• 1963[19:38:10] <solido> hello!
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• 1966[19:39:43] <solido> i have set the IPv6 method for my wired network to 'Disabled' in GNOME's network manager settings, but something keeps trying to send IPv6 messages on that network anyway (mainly ICMPv6 'Router solicitation' messages every few minutes).
• 1967[19:39:51] <solido> how do actually disable IPv6?
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• 1970[19:42:05] <trek00> solido: I don't know with network-manager, but you can completely disable ipv6 adding the ipv6.disable=1 to the kernel command line
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• 1972[19:42:29] <annadane> is there a command i can use to see if i have any DM installed?
• 1973[19:42:34] <annadane> dpkg -l | grep ...
• 1974[19:42:34] <dpkg> ii | grep ... 1.9-4 annadane's private warez collection
• 1975[19:42:41] <annadane> like lightdm etc
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• 1978[19:42:51] <solido> the corresponding file in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ has ipv6.method set to 'disable', so it is being set correctly by GNOME.
• 1979[19:43:01] <solido> trek00: thanks, but i just want to disable it on this particular interface.
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• 1981[19:44:40] <trek00> annadane: with aptitude you can see the virtual package x-display-manager provided by various xdm
• 1982[19:45:53] <annadane> oh that's very cool
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• 1984[19:45:55] <annadane> thanks
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• 1998[19:52:22] <nyov> I can't seem to get the luakit browser to work (buster). It starts but won't load any pages. Does someone have it running or could check that a virgin package install works?
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• 2018[20:02:23] <nvz> nyov: yeah doesn't seem to be working here either, just showing a gray window.. it had worked when I used it before
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• 2024[20:04:52] <sva> dear all, i've got a thinkpad x1 7th gen - so I need the non-free-firmware stuff to get wifi running. I've installed the non-free-firmware package as well as replaced-url
• 2025[20:06:10] <sva> anyone any hint what to do? also I cant find out whats the name of the network device, neither dmesg nor lspci are verbose enough to give an actual name :(
• 2026[20:06:14] <towo`> i don't think, that thing has an old ipwchipset
• 2027[20:06:36] <sva> towo`: oh, so i'd need the legacy one?
• 2028[20:06:46] <towo`> you propably need firmware-iwlwifi
• 2029[20:06:56] <sva> ah, sorry, misread. ack, thats what i thought too that it wont be old
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• 2031[20:07:37] <sva> towo`: this one replaced-url
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• 2033[20:08:07] <towo`> and maybe kernel and firmware from buster is to old for that hardware
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• 2037[20:09:23] <sva> towo`: :( and then? anyhow, installed, will reboot and come back soon... cross fingers ;)
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• 2041[20:10:56] <nvz> sva: you probably need a newer kernel and firmware
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• 2043[20:11:28] <nvz> sva: lspci -nn | nc termbin.com 9999
• 2044[20:11:36] <sva> it works :D
• 2045[20:11:48] <sva> or, at least wifi showes up in network manager. will try soon
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• 2047[20:12:06] <sva> nvz: yes was thinking of "upgrading" to testing anyway. would that help either way?
• 2048[20:12:21] <nvz> sva: no, bad idea.. no need to upgrade to testing to get something newer
• 2049[20:12:49] <nvz> sva: you can get the exact same kernel and firmware testing or unstable has in stable
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• 2051[20:13:50] <sva> nvz: towo`: re, connected via WIFI :D
• 2052[20:14:17] <nvz> sva: unless you're actually going to help test Debian, report bugs, and know apt and debian quite well to avoid problems, then I'm never going to recommend you upgrade to testing on a machine you plan on actually using regularly and want support with
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• 2054[20:14:59] <nvz> I
• 2055[20:15:10] <sva> nvz: i'd contribute if i'd find something + I thought that "unstable" is the one thats for the hardcore-testing... and "testing" is okay-ish, isnt it?
• 2056[20:15:20] <nvz> I have been using and supporting debian for nearly 20 years and I'm running stable.. cause I want my machine to work day to day..
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• 2059[20:16:07] <sva> nvz: lspci -nn still doesnt give more info, its always just the name - but no number or any particular details...
• 2060[20:16:26] <sva> but doesnt matter, it runs now :)
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• 2062[20:16:45] <nvz> sva: if lspci -nn doesnt show the [1234:abcd] at the end, then you have other problems..
• 2063[20:17:32] <sva> ah, hm, that is does: 8086:9df0 but i was expecting anything from that list here: replaced-url
• 2064[20:17:42] <sva> n00by-sva, sorry pls :/
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• 2067[20:19:09] <nvz> dpkg, n00b?
• 2068[20:19:09] <dpkg> from memory, n00b is l33t jargon for newbie.
• 2069[20:19:15] <nvz> dpkg, newbie?
• 2070[20:19:15] <dpkg> newbie is, like, someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/)
• 2071[20:19:36] <nvz> whatever
• 2072[20:19:38] <nvz> :P
• 2073[20:19:46] <sva> hehe :p
• 2074[20:19:50] <nvz> dpkg, noob
• 2075[20:19:50] <dpkg> Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
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• 2078[20:21:14] <nyov> nvz: thanks for checking
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• 2083[20:24:08] <shellclear> hi all, cron by default send mails using sendmail program but debian uses exim4, how can I make cron send mails for regular users without to install sendmail in debian buster?
• 2084[20:24:43] <nyov> nothing. it should work with exim
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• 2087[20:26:30] <nyov> I mean exim provides a sendmail wrapper, so Cron and co can function
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• 2089[20:27:02] <nyov> See replaced-url
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• 2096[20:29:22] <shellclear> there is a link /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4
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• 2099[20:31:03] <nvz> shellclear: sendmail is exim4
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• 2101[20:31:22] <nvz> ah, well you noticed that already I see
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• 2107[20:33:27] <shellclear> The question is why cron doesn't send emails to users.
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• 2118[20:40:15] <Nurarihyon> hello all
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• 2122[20:41:10] <nyov> check if the job is run in the first place, then if there is anything to mail in the second place, and then if you have a MAILTO env var set up
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• 2124[20:41:57] <nyov> there are EXTRA_OPTS you can set for debugging, in /etc/default/cron
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• 2132[20:48:52] <shellclear> nyov: the job is running, I configured logger to put a string to /var/log/messages, MAILTO var is set up.
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• 2134[20:50:22] <nyov> shellclear: is your mailer running, postfix/exim/...?
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• 2136[20:51:00] <shellclear> exim4 service .... Active: active (running) since Sat 2019-12-07 20:13:11 CET; 37min ago
• 2137[20:51:34] <nyov> okay, what's the cronjob - did you make sure it exits with an error?
• 2138[20:52:48] <shellclear> I'll just send if exit != 0 ?
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• 2140[20:53:04] <shellclear> It
• 2141[20:53:22] <nyov> yes. unless you changed EXTRA_OPTS debug options I mentioned
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• 2143[20:53:37] <shellclear> fuck
• 2144[20:53:58] <nyov> read /etc/default/cron
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• 2154[21:03:14] <shellclear> nyov: cron manual -> The default is to log the start of all jobs (1). Logging will be disabled if levels is set to zero (0). A value of fifteen (15) will select all options.
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• 2157[21:04:14] <shellclear> should already be working without intervention..
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• 2161[21:06:16] <nyov> shellclear: yeah, my bad. logging in syslog and mailing to user is obviously something different. disregard /etc/default/cron loglevel. I thought it would help with seeing if they actually ran
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• 2282[22:21:44] <jhutchins> .
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• 2284[22:22:31] <jhutchins> I wonder if he ever tried sending himself a message to see if that was working.
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• 2304[22:36:02] <Strikingwolf35> Hey does anyone know why the MESA stellar evolution install process might throw an unsupported architecture error in WSL Debian 10
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• 2311[22:46:45] <karlpinc> "Any software relying on systemd or low-level hardware accessibility might fail due to missing support from the current Windows kernel interface. " (replaced-url
• 2312[22:47:14] <karlpinc> Strikingwolf35: You might be better off installing yourself in a VM. (Or on the actual metal.)
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• 2330[23:06:10] <ripolium> sanchiez,
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• 2333[23:10:34] <ripolium> sorry
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• 2336[23:11:57] <ripolium> typing error
• 2337[23:12:02] <ripolium> salut !!!
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• 2339[23:12:40] <Bushdog> TReK:
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• 2341[23:14:16] <Bushdog> i get this phpMyAdmin - Error
• 2342[23:14:16] <Bushdog> The mbstring extension is missing. Please check your PHP configuration.
• 2343[23:14:25] <Bushdog> can anyone help
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• 2355[23:21:15] <nyov> Bushdog: apt-get install php-mbstring
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• 2357[23:21:49] <nyov> Bushdog: if you installed phpmyadmin through apt, this should be installed as it's a dependency
• 2358[23:21:51] <jhutchins> Bushdog: How did you install phpmyadmin?
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• 2360[23:22:48] <SE7EN`> sudo apt-get install php-mbstring; sudo systemctl restart apache2
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• 2362[23:24:18] <Bushdog> nyov: jhutchins notign worked, here is my work replaced-url
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• 2366[23:28:03] <nyov> Bushdog: you might want to ask in #ubuntu
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• 2370[23:29:18] <nyov> ln: failed to create symbolic link '/etc/apache2/conf-available/phpmyadmin.conf': File exists
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• 2372[23:29:32] <nyov> seems like there are some issues with the installation
• 2373[23:29:48] <nyov> or maybe just warning; I can't talk for ubuntu
• 2374[23:29:54] <nyov> *s
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• 2376[23:30:18] <Bushdog> yes its rubbish
• 2377[23:30:26] <Bushdog> i will just get rid of mint
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• 2389[23:40:37] <ratrace> mint is for breath, or tea, not for computers.
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