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• 9[00:00:53] <squarecircle> the /dev/fb[0-2] devices are there
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• 11[00:01:03] <squarecircle> but theres no provider listed
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• 27[00:10:29] <PHP3forever> Having read this, and seeing how they never wanted to acknowledge/fix it, am I to assume that Debian *still* has this spying bullshit left in it to this date? replaced-url
• 28[00:10:30] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 55[00:36:59] <PHP3forever> Anyone alive?
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• 65[00:43:34] <squarecircle> PHP3forever: the apocalypse seems to be there
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• 71[00:46:38] <PHP3forever> squarecircle: You probably said that jokingly, but that is literally what it feels like to me.
• 72[00:46:55] <PHP3forever> Every single OS/software project has gone the same way as everything else... to Hell.
• 73[00:47:14] <PHP3forever> They don't even seem to be hiding it anymore.
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• 77[00:48:20] <squarecircle> PHP3forever: thats sounds harsh
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• 82[00:51:52] <rk4> PHP3forever: hardly. also, i have more systems not using systemd than using it, you can just not use it :)
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• 87[00:58:30] <annadane> i mean, this is a support chan, we'll talk if someone has a question
• 88[01:00:37] <squarecircle> How do I get my USB Graphic Adapters running?
• 89[01:01:02] <squarecircle> I'm trying for two hours
• 90[01:01:05] <squarecircle> and it ran before
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• 92[01:01:19] <squarecircle> that whats killing me
• 93[01:01:37] <PHP3forever> rk4: "Just not use it"?
• 94[01:01:44] <PHP3forever> If it's default, it will be used.
• 95[01:01:50] <PHP3forever> The only thing that matters is the defaults.
• 96[01:01:59] <PHP3forever> That is software development rule #1.
• 97[01:02:22] <PHP3forever> (No, it doesn't matter how easy you think it is to change it.)
• 98[01:03:07] <rk4> you're complaininng about a bit of software, i'm saying don't use it. not sure what else we can do for you
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• 100[01:03:51] <PHP3forever> "a bit of software" that runs by default.
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• 106[01:04:59] <PHP3forever> What's with this total inability to even recognize privacy/security issues?
• 107[01:05:42] <rk4> you seem to have a pattern of hyperbole
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• 109[01:06:10] <rk4> :)
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• 112[01:07:43] <squarecircle> oh, I'm with this guy, using google as default is not privacy aware
• 113[01:07:56] <squarecircle> rk4: the CCC even advises against it
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• 116[01:09:34] <squarecircle> as I have to work a bit more, gn8
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• 118[01:13:25] <rk4> squarecircle: i don't like it either.
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• 124[01:17:43] <balsaq> does debian have a unity deskto poption?
• 125[01:18:07] <balsaq> package*
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• 127[01:18:55] <rk4> packages.debian.org answers questions like this
• 128[01:19:14] <rk4> [replaced-url
• 129[01:19:35] <balsaq> Thanks but i dont want to go there atm
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• 135[01:28:42] <balsaq> is anyone here runnning debian with the unity desktop
• 136[01:29:35] <hassoon> why would they ?
• 137[01:30:06] <tacocat> I could be wrong, but I don't think unity was ever supported on debian
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• 140[01:34:15] <balsaq> why not
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• 144[01:39:24] <fassl> squarecircle, it seems this just sets a comment in resolv.conf
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• 146[01:40:01] <fassl> so the service is not enable by default, and even then, you have to uncomment the #FallbackDNS=8.8.8.8 line
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• 150[01:43:40] <fassl> sorry i meant /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
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• 156[01:46:20] <squarecircle> fassl: ok, thank you for bringing some light to it, sadly PHP3forever is gone, so he does not get it :/
• 157[01:46:54] <fassl> yeah...
• 158[01:47:20] <bites> the commented lines in resolved.conf show the compiled in defaults.
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• 160[01:47:48] <fassl> what you configure ends up commented out in that config file
• 161[01:48:15] <bites> not sure what you mean by that.
• 162[01:49:11] <bites> "and even then, you have to uncomment the #FallbackDNS=8.8.8.8 line" - is not true.
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• 165[01:50:06] <fassl> so it just ignores the comment?
• 166[01:50:14] <fassl> *that this line is a comment
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• 168[01:50:39] <bites> it also says "Entries in this file show the compile time defaults." at the top.
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• 173[01:51:07] <bites> it's not unusual for compile time defaults to show up as comments in config files.
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• 175[01:52:45] <fassl> replaced-url
• 176[01:52:50] <fassl> where in the code is this used?
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• 178[01:55:06] <fassl> ahh here it is line 83
• 179[01:55:17] <fassl> ok you are right bites
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• 183[01:56:27] <bites> it's all a bit confusing. weird defaults for sure.
• 184[01:57:07] <bites> personally i don't agree with the stance the maintainer had, but it's not hard to work around.
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• 186[02:00:48] <squarecircle> bites: so its defaulting to google?
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• 188[02:01:09] <bites> if you don't have a nameserver set, yes.
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• 210[02:21:10] <themill> It's a default fallback, not a default.
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• 213[02:22:37] <squarecircle> meh
• 214[02:22:51] <squarecircle> ok, thanks for the information
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• 344[03:42:15] <agio> does anyone know the aptitude command to list packages which are upgradeable? i.e. have a newer version available?
• 345[03:42:59] <petn-randall> agio: aptitude search ~U
• 346[03:43:09] <agio> thanks
• 347[03:43:50] <petn-randall> agio: Though "apt list --upgradeable" has nicer output.
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• 353[03:47:26] <agio> Is there any way to set which archive and origin those packages will come from ? e.g. "stretch-updates" / main / security etc?
• 354[03:47:31] <agio> s/set/see/
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• 391[04:18:09] <tmiw> e1000e and mpt_sas decided to get stuck in reset loops again
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• 393[04:18:35] <tmiw> of course, powercycle is the only thing that fixes it...for another two weeks or so
• 394[04:19:10] <tmiw> this time I've run that ethtool command that disables offload. hopefully it lasts longer this time
• 395[04:19:14] <tmiw> but I'd appreciate any suggestions
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• 451[05:20:38] <rant> tmiw: replaced-url
• 452[05:20:55] <rant> idk if thats still relevant its 4y old and kernel 3.13
• 453[05:21:07] <rant> but it contains a solution reported to work
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• 458[05:23:43] <rant> agio: apt policy pkgname
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• 475[05:45:58] <tmiw> rant: yeah I added that ethtool command after it came back this time around. we'll see how long it lasts
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• 477[05:46:25] <tmiw> the weird thing is that I'm seeing mpt_sas reset too. which makes me think that maybe it's some sort of chipset bug?
• 478[05:47:12] <tmiw> anyway, I think there's a BIOS setting I can disable next if this doesn't work. also I installed intel-microcode, though I don't think that'll help
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• 500[06:04:26] <agio> rant: thanks
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• 503[06:06:42] <duckgoose> I have issues!
• 504[06:07:22] <duckgoose> when I try to install "mysql-server" I get "mysql-server : Depends: default-mysql-server but it is not going to be installed"
• 505[06:07:42] <duckgoose> so I try to install that, I get "default-mysql-server is already the newest version (1.0.4)."
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• 523[06:23:38] <jh001> duckgoose: I get the same result - I have mariadb installed. what do you see after dpkg -l | grep mariadb-server
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• 546[06:43:57] <agio> does anyone know the aptitude command to list all versions of a package?
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• 552[06:50:06] <jim> agio, dunno about aptitude... but, try: /msg judd v packagenamehere
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• 554[06:50:51] <agio> jim: thanks, but Im trying to get at some info only aptitude seems to report
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• 556[06:51:55] <agio> in the aptitude gui, you can hit 'v' on a package and it shows all versions
• 557[06:52:44] <bindi> aptitude versions package
• 558[06:53:04] <jim> I don't see how a package manager, which is configured to point at a specific version of debian, can see -all- versions of a package (it would have to read more package files than it does, in response to settings in sources.list
• 559[06:53:46] <jim> but I'll try that
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• 566[06:56:01] <jim> it looks like it reports only the versions it knows about from doing apt update
• 567[06:56:15] <agio> bindi: worked thanks. I was poking around using the search patterns - but didn't know aptitude has a subcommand for it
• 568[06:57:26] <agio> jim: right, but the package manager should be able to see all versions that your release archives right?
• 569[06:58:00] <jim> agio, so for example if you run stable, you'd only see packages and versions known which are "tied" to stable
• 570[06:58:50] <jim> agio, your original request was to find all versions, if you still want that, see the judd solution
• 571[06:59:26] <agio> find all versions - with aptitude
• 572[07:00:06] <agio> becuase, once I got the versions, I then wanted to extract more info out the results using aptitude's -F format strings
• 573[07:00:10] <jim> so, aptitude would find you all the versions you can safely apt install
• 574[07:01:01] <agio> not sure
• 575[07:01:48] <agio> Im just going for all the versions aptitude knows about from /var/lib/apt/lists/*
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• 577[07:03:41] <jim> yeah, me too, it is vaguely possible for aptitude to get info about -all- versions, this would require that aptitude download more info when you do aptitude update
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• 579[07:04:13] <RoyK> I wonder if anyone will agree on using aptitude or apt-get etc or apt at some point (at which there's a new package manager, obviously)
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• 581[07:04:26] <jim> having said all that... what do you want to do with the info you get from aptitude
• 582[07:07:56] <agio> was hoping to print what aptitude calls the " archive" and /etc/apt/sources.list calls the distribution
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• 584[07:09:37] <agio> got to leave it for now, will try later
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• 587[07:12:16] <jelly> agio: so, something like apt-cache policy foo, enriched with which field?
• 588[07:13:38] <agio> apt-cache policy is hard to script - because the archives are a few lines down the output - aptitude prints all as a record
• 589[07:13:46] <agio> as a single record
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• 591[07:14:27] <agio> also, I just found "aptitude versions" doesn't allow controlling its output with the -F format strings
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• 635[08:31:45] <rant> more accurately you only see whats in your package cache, which is related to which sources were configured at the last update of the cache
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• 797[09:27:20] <simbalion> Is there a way to report packages that aren't being maintained anymore?
• 798[09:27:57] <simbalion> in particular qbittorrent hasn't seen an update in a very long time, currently it's on 3.3.7 on all branches but the qbittorrent folks won't even support anything below 4.x
• 799[09:28:18] <simbalion> and 4.x compiles in stable without any trickery so it seems clear the maintainer has simply abandoned it or gone AWOL
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• 808[09:32:59] <rk4> doesn't look dead - replaced-url
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• 812[09:34:23] <rk4> that 4.x compiles in stable today is not a reason for stable to be 4.x
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• 817[09:36:14] <simbalion> rk4: this has been going on for months however. 4.x is not new. 3.3.7 is very, very, very old
• 818[09:37:36] <rk4> so 3.3.7 came out in sep 2016, stretch was released in jun 2017, and had a soft freeze in jan 2017
• 819[09:37:49] <rk4> so i am unsurprised 3.3.7 is what is in stable
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• 825[09:40:33] <rk4> there might be a bit of context you're missing, debian stable is roughly frozen except for security updates and some bug fixes
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• 827[09:41:23] <rk4> things don't change version unless there's a need for them :)
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• 831[09:43:00] <nkuttler> simbalion: yes, stable never gets new versions, only security and a few bugfixes
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• 839[09:45:14] <format_c> In next release buster it's going to be version 4.1.3-1
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• 842[09:45:39] <n4dir> you know that already?
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• 845[09:47:03] <format_c> n4dir: as per packages.debian.org, but sure as long freeze isn't effective, it's not finit
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• 847[09:47:52] <n4dir> finit: the shiny new init system :-)
• 848[09:48:19] <format_c> Just wanted so say, that Debian's "conservative" approach for up2date versions of packages is one of Debian's characteristics
• 849[09:48:32] <n4dir> yup, i was childish. sorry.
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• 853[09:50:07] <format_c> And probably the reason for Debians reputation being a "stable" distribution
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• 862[09:58:44] <simbalion> format_c: then why isn't it 4.1.3-1 in testing?
• 863[09:59:31] <simbalion> nkuttler: I did not know that, I thought some apps see updates afterward
• 864[09:59:49] <simbalion> so in that case I apologize for my presumption :)
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• 866[09:59:52] <n4dir> simbalion: becaust it either has a bug, or one of it's dependencies has a bug, or some other reason
• 867[10:00:05] <format_c> simbalion: I don't know. Just wanted to give a perspective for a more recent version of qbittorrent in future releases and that the maintenance of the package is stil active.
• 868[10:00:41] <simbalion> 3.3.7 has a lot of bugs, unfortunately
• 869[10:00:58] <simbalion> here's my thought tho, how can it be maintained if that code is no longer being supported by it's developers
• 870[10:01:36] <nkuttler> simbalion: work
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• 873[10:02:08] <simbalion> nkuttler: so it falls on the shoulders of the package maintainer to deploy bugfixes for an unsupported code-base? That seems a superhuman expectation
• 874[10:02:30] <nkuttler> bugfixes won't make it in anyway
• 875[10:02:31] <simbalion> also kind of pointless since it's going to be abandoned in a few months for the new version
• 876[10:02:48] <simbalion> This seems like an area ripe for improvement
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• 878[10:02:54] <simbalion> but I don't have any great suggestions
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• 880[10:03:03] <nkuttler> simbalion: no, that's what users of a stable system want
• 881[10:03:10] <nkuttler> your bug might be somebody's feature..
• 882[10:03:22] <nkuttler> a platform that doesn't change is what debian stable users want
• 883[10:03:28] <simbalion> nkuttler: no that's not true. Users of a stable system still want the latest versions of software they use, they just want them to be stable
• 884[10:03:42] <simbalion> nobody wants software to be arbitrarily held back
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• 886[10:03:55] <nkuttler> simbalion: then use a distro that defines stable differently..
• 887[10:03:57] <simbalion> because of a policy that works 99% of the time
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• 889[10:04:06] <simbalion> nkuttler: You're barking up the very wrong tree my friend.
• 890[10:04:16] <nkuttler> whatever
• 891[10:04:33] <nkuttler> i have used debian for 15+ years because it is how it is
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• 893[10:04:57] <nkuttler> we also have backports
• 894[10:04:58] <simbalion> Personally, as much as I love apt and debian's package structure, I'm looking forward to when something like appimage eliminates the need for packages entirely. I hate windows but I do like how easy it is to install software under it.
• 895[10:05:23] <simbalion> nkuttler: Yeah it's not a huge deal obviously, it's just a torrent client. most of the time debians way is best
• 896[10:05:31] <format_c> simbalion: not for me. I like the assurance not to mess with configuration file changes, changed behaviour of new versions until I actively upgrade the system. Until then, I can be very confident, that the system will continue working as configured and expected.
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• 898[10:06:19] <simbalion> format_c: Everyone wants that, but everyone also wants current featuresets and ease of use
• 899[10:06:32] <nkuttler> speak for yourself
• 900[10:06:37] <format_c> Well it's a balance
• 901[10:06:39] <simbalion> nkuttler: I am part of that everyone
• 902[10:06:43] <simbalion> format_c: agreed
• 903[10:06:44] <nkuttler> i am not
• 904[10:06:55] <format_c> The point is where is the priority
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• 906[10:07:02] <nkuttler> your "everyone" is a lie. anyway, do you have a technical question we can help you with?
• 907[10:07:04] <simbalion> nkuttler: okay but your individual freakishness does not carry a heavier weight than everyone else :)
• 908[10:07:07] <nkuttler> if not, we have #debian-offtopic
• 909[10:07:28] <simbalion> format_c: agreed
• 910[10:08:29] <simbalion> nkuttler: actually I asked a question and didn't get an answer to it
• 911[10:09:02] <simbalion> While what I did receive has eliminated the immediate need for that answer, I would still like to know if there's a way to report packages that appear to be unmaintained
• 912[10:09:17] <dutchfish> simbalion, i like Debian stable the way it is right now. If you want to speculate or ventilate your thoughts or dont have a technical question, there is also #debian-offtopic.
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• 915[10:09:54] <n4dir> that installing, upgrading and removing applications in Windows is easy is a strong statement. ...
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• 918[10:13:34] <simbalion> n4dir: perhaps, but that's never been an issue for me. However, practically everything else about that OS sucks, in my humble opinion ;)
• 919[10:14:42] <simbalion> but let's not continue off-topic discussions,
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• 922[10:16:13] <Tech_8> hi
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• 926[10:18:27] <verblendet> hi all, need a little help with pure-ftpd in debian. i set up fure-ftpd common, no db involved, added a system user , added the user via pure-pw, did the pure-pw mkdb thing and restarted the service, but authentication still fails. so imentioned that debian uses conf dir style... but pure-ftpd usually has a lot of commandline options to start with, i tried set up some things in the conf dir, but they seem to be totally ignored.... runnig
• 927[10:18:27] <verblendet> it from commandline with options works fine and as expected! so is the package messed up? is it again systemd that causes pain here? as i cant see the given options n ps output.
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• 931[10:19:23] <n4dir> simbalion: i wouldn't bet, but perhaps that for "unmaintained": replaced-url
• 932[10:19:48] <verblendet> also in /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common are no useful options. i really wonder now how debian starts pure-ftpd and why are there no commandline options used from the config dir entries....
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• 936[10:22:15] <verblendet> a valid workaround: put start of pure-ftpd in rc.local which is disabled too by default due to this systemd shit.... arg.
• 937[10:22:40] <dutchfish> verblendet, this is how is do it (systemd) replaced-url
• 938[10:22:48] <verblendet> so does anyone know how debian translates config dir options to commandline options for pure-ftpd? or how to proper configure pure-ftpd in debian at all?
• 939[10:23:29] <format_c> verblendet: to get it right. you want pure-ftpd being started with a different configuration dir/file ?
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• 941[10:23:41] <format_c> why not using the default configuration files?
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• 943[10:23:57] <verblendet> dutchfish, woho, thx, at least a starting point
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• 945[10:24:08] <verblendet> format_c, yes, i am using the config files!
• 946[10:24:08] <dutchfish> verblendet, yw
• 947[10:24:18] <verblendet> format_c, thats what i try to explain
• 948[10:24:51] <verblendet> format_c, problem 1: how to translate pure-ftpd options to config files? where is the magic table? man page tells nothing useful#
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• 950[10:25:07] <verblendet> format_c, even pure-ftpd website has weird old docu i guess ( no date mentioned)
• 951[10:25:22] <dutchfish> verblendet, there is always the source ;)
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• 953[10:25:32] <verblendet> format_c, problem 2) i added config files, but they get not parsed it seems
• 954[10:25:55] <verblendet> dutchfish, sure... but i just want a damn ftp for my network scabnner.... no research for 1 week
• 955[10:26:18] <format_c> verblendet: where did you put your custom config files and how did you name it
• 956[10:26:22] <verblendet> will do that anyway when i have the need to set up a new prodution ftp server, but then i also rely on a documented software !
• 957[10:26:23] <dutchfish> verblendet, with ftp in a secure fashion? forget it
• 958[10:26:43] <verblendet> format_c, i dont use a custom file.... i use config files in conf dir
• 959[10:26:50] <verblendet> dutchfish, hehe
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• 961[10:27:09] <verblendet> format_c, as i told: i use single files for each config directive, ok?
• 962[10:27:22] <dutchfish> verblendet, maybe you should consider alternatives?
• 963[10:27:34] <verblendet> BUT how to translate pure ftpd commandline options to these werid filesnames? ;)
• 964[10:28:06] <verblendet> dutchfish, its NOT a problem of pureftpd, its damn cool software, but the new implementation... sucks
• 965[10:28:37] <verblendet> dutchfish, alternatives would not get me around config dirs and systemd at all i guess....., sorry i'm a bit retro
• 966[10:28:53] <dutchfish> verblendet, true, mainly due to outdated ducumentation. Hence i delve into the source.
• 967[10:29:10] <format_c> verblendet: have you read this sentence: "In order to avoid confusion, either a"
• 968[10:29:11] <format_c> configuration file or a set of command-line switches can be used.
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• 970[10:29:58] <format_c> Have you made sure not to mix cli options and config file?
• 971[10:30:16] <verblendet> yes, sure, but is it mentioned how to switch to a config file or commandline in debian with systemd? i would expect something in /etc/default/pure-ftpd or so
• 972[10:30:45] <dutchfish> verblendet, i gave you a link, that explains how in its config.
• 973[10:30:52] <verblendet> format_c, i started on commandline, ...... that works... but translate the options to configfiles in config dir fails with systemd
• 974[10:31:15] <verblendet> ps does not show any commandline options as it will when i start it manually.
• 975[10:31:42] <verblendet> with sysv init all that was so damn easy... oh yeah
• 976[10:32:22] <dutchfish> verblendet, it boils down to setup a correct unit file for systemd. The rest is done in /etc/pure-ftpd.conf as usual.
• 977[10:33:28] <dutchfish> verblendet, there are however security things to consider.
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• 979[10:33:51] <verblendet> since things were chaning so quickly and uncontroled i mutated to a dumb user
• 980[10:34:00] <dutchfish> verblendet, learn it, then judge about it.
• 981[10:34:06] <verblendet> hehe
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• 983[10:34:37] <n4dir> verblendet: same here.
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• 985[10:34:53] <verblendet> dutchfish, dont get me wrong, i really appreciate these changes, but i lost focus on uit and then at some day .. stuck on my outdated knowledge
• 986[10:35:37] <dutchfish> verblendet, fair enough. But systemd has some great advantages as well. granted, it take some time to digest it.
• 987[10:35:41] <verblendet> and i now in a phase just waiting until all these changes settled down and the hypes have gone and at some day we have cool standards... then i start learning again
• 988[10:35:56] <verblendet> ;)
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• 991[10:37:57] <verblendet> and i just found this one: replaced-url
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• 996[10:39:32] <verblendet> someone already digged through some sources .... i used tat to ceate my conf files in conf dir.... will check again with more debugging now. - i like to avoid that ... as i *just wanted an ftp scanner* hahahaha, but my inner ego tells me to solve it now in a correct way - learn about the new stuff.....:>
• 997[10:39:58] <verblendet> thx for input everyone :)
• 998[10:40:07] <dutchfish> verblendet, gl
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• 1000[10:40:46] <jim> hi... I understand firefox 60esr is available on stretch?
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• 1002[10:41:43] <jim> does that mean that rustc is now available as a build dependency in stretch?
• 1003[10:42:34] <dutchfish> jim, its in unstable replaced-url
• 1004[10:43:18] <dutchfish> jim, but it is (or will be soon) in stable-sec.
• 1005[10:43:29] <jim> so maybe there's some sort of back port of firefox -and- of rustc plus needed rust libs?
• 1006[10:44:22] <jim> stable-sec, is that stable security?
• 1007[10:44:46] <dutchfish> jim, the dependecies: replaced-url
• 1008[10:44:51] <dutchfish> jim, yes
• 1009[10:45:12] <jim> dutchfish, thanks very much for responding
• 1010[10:45:22] <dutchfish> jim, yw
• 1011[10:45:24] <jim> I should install it soon :)
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• 1016[10:50:12] <BCMM> ok, i'm definitely confused by this now
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• 1019[10:50:53] <BCMM> the link text on tracker for stable says "52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1", but when i click it, i get "Source Package: firefox-esr (60.3.0esr-1~deb9u1) [security]"
• 1020[10:50:55] <jim> how do I get stretch-proposed-updates (which ff-esr 60 is in)?
• 1021[10:51:02] <BCMM> help, i don't know what to believe
• 1022[10:51:56] <BCMM> jim: i take it you're running stable, and haven't seen 60esr yet? do you have debian-security enabled?
• 1023[10:52:33] <jim> BCMM, take a look at: /msg judd v firefox-esr
• 1024[10:52:49] <verblendet> argh, this damn stuff makes my crying.... if there is a conf dir and i put a damn file in it.... why is it ignored? why is everything ignored by systemd? i hate it!
• 1025[10:52:51] <jim> yes, and haven't upgraded it in awhile
• 1026[10:53:23] <BCMM> jim: ah, thanks. yeah looks like i got it via security, not through the regular archive
• 1027[10:53:38] <dutchfish> BCMM, correct
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• 1029[10:54:29] <BCMM> tangentially, is there no way to see the 52 information on package.debian.org? does the security update just "mask" it, as far as that interface is concerned?
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• 1032[10:54:48] <dutchfish> in general, the Debian security team decides what goes through debian-sec updates, hence it is called proposed. Anyone should have security updates enabled .....
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• 1034[10:55:34] <BCMM> oh, i think there's actually some incompatibility between tracker.d.o and package.d.o - replaced-url
• 1035[10:55:39] <dutchfish> and it might take some time, before it is actually distributed through the repos.
• 1036[10:56:03] <BCMM> (stable-sec: link on the tracker)
• 1037[10:56:42] <dutchfish> BCMM, take a peak at the date it was released. tracker might be limping behind a bit.
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• 1039[10:57:35] <dutchfish> hence i said: jim, but it is (or will be soon) in stable-sec.
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• 1041[10:58:36] <jim> take a look at this:
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• 1043[10:58:45] <jim> ,v firefox-esr
• 1044[10:58:46] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.3.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.3.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 60.3.0esr-1
• 1045[10:58:51] <BCMM> dutchfish: on a relatively small sample, it seems to work for any package with a -sec version. e.g. replaced-url
• 1046[10:59:00] <BCMM> stable-sec is a dead link there too
• 1047[10:59:39] <jim> so that would confirm it'
• 1048[10:59:41] <BCMM> it looks like the /stable/updates/ URL pattern is not actually understood
• 1049[10:59:47] <jim> s in security?
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• 1052[11:01:14] <jim> -duh-. after all this, I find out I already have 60. argh.
• 1053[11:01:24] <dutchfish> BCMM, there is also replaced-url
• 1054[11:01:59] <BCMM> dutchfish: i'm not sure i understand - i was talking specifically about the broken hyperlinks to packages.
• 1055[11:02:24] <Tech_8> jim: hi
• 1056[11:02:31] <dutchfish> BCMM, yes, i understand, i have seen them too in the past. This might be transient.
• 1057[11:02:42] <jim> Tech_8, hi :)
• 1058[11:02:52] <Tech_8> what you doing up so early
• 1059[11:03:42] <dutchfish> BCMM, for non-sec updates there is also debian incoming.
• 1060[11:04:34] <jim> Tech_8, this is -not- early :/
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• 1062[11:04:43] <Tech_8> what time is it there
• 1063[11:05:01] <verblendet> the main shit behind not able to track it down is that i cannot add any debug options to the daemon to be more verbose wile logging as the systemd wrapper ignores every custom start up options i add....
• 1064[11:05:04] <verblendet> damn damn!
• 1065[11:05:07] <jim> that's not what I mean,,, haven't been to sleep yet
• 1066[11:05:17] <Tech_8> oh
• 1067[11:05:36] <dutchfish> verblendet, please keep it family friendly. No cursing in here.
• 1068[11:05:47] <verblendet> how to debug why commandline options are ignored etc when you are not able to add a debug option to it?
• 1069[11:06:15] <verblendet> dutchfish, sry.
• 1070[11:06:31] <jim> dutchfish, oh, didn't know you guys had a language policy
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• 1072[11:06:59] <verblendet> i wonder how many kidz are aware of irc ;)
• 1073[11:07:22] <jim> yep, from their perspective, irc is ancient
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• 1075[11:07:36] <verblendet> and a proper and polite language :) hahahaha
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• 1086[11:13:32] <dutchfish> verblendet, anyway, did you take a peak what journalctl -x reported?
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• 1089[11:15:40] <verblendet> dutchfish, oh dear! .... i forgot about this weird command.... and yes: it at least tells me the ocmmandline options!!!!!
• 1090[11:15:53] <dutchfish> there you go
• 1091[11:15:54] <verblendet> so i can check if everything is parsed the right way... oh man
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• 1093[11:16:14] <verblendet> i'm still believe in syslog files.....
• 1094[11:17:30] <verblendet> mmmh, can we tell systemd to log almost everything and also the output of journalctl etc to syslog servers?
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• 1098[11:18:13] <dutchfish> verblendet, replaced-url
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• 1100[11:18:28] <verblendet> woooo :D
• 1101[11:19:04] <verblendet> makes live easier.... put an elk stack behin dit too and i could make use of my 24 cores .... hahahaha, just to track down my issues in a comfortable way....
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• 1103[11:19:18] <verblendet> sounds like a sunday afternoon project
• 1104[11:20:55] <dutchfish> verblendet, keep in mind that current Debian stable has still some Debian specifics about this and how rsyslog should handled in setup.
• 1105[11:21:15] <verblendet> i would also use syslog-ng
• 1106[11:21:32] <dutchfish> verblendet, ok.
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• 1108[11:21:43] <verblendet> so its getting an experiment anyway
• 1109[11:21:59] <dutchfish> verblendet, altho i strongly recommend rsyslog on an ftp server (security)
• 1110[11:22:40] <dutchfish> verblendet, but that is only my personal opinion.
• 1111[11:22:50] <verblendet> this is my homeserver only, just migrating from debian 5!!! usually i make no use of ftp, its just to have the scanner working
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• 1120[11:26:09] <shtrb> anyone with enabled timesync can confirm a privacy bug ?
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• 1122[11:28:58] <dutchfish> shtrb, not if you are running your own timeservers. But that is not what you prolly ment.
• 1123[11:29:01] <jelly> dutchfish: what added benefit does rsyslog add for vsftpd or pureftpd?
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• 1128[11:30:05] <shtrb> dutchfish, not my one (the lack off) it could be the lack of morning tea, but there is a possibility that timesync fallback to google servers if no servers are configured (empty list)
• 1129[11:30:27] <shtrb> I'm probably wrong, but for that small chance I'm not wrong I would really like to verify
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• 1131[11:31:08] <dutchfish> shtrb, not that i have seen. But it relies on DNS or a DNS proxy. That would be were i start to look first.
• 1132[11:31:09] <jelly> shtrb: how is that a privacy issue
• 1133[11:31:34] <shtrb> dutchfish, I'm not talking about the DNS part but on a hardcoded url to google
• 1134[11:31:51] <shtrb> jelly, jardcoded google service when nothing is set is a privacy issue (in my book)
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• 1136[11:31:55] <dutchfish> shtrb, nope, definitely not in Debians package.
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• 1138[11:32:49] <jelly> shtrb: which specific service did you find to be hardcoded and how do you trigger its usage?
• 1139[11:32:53] <dutchfish> shtrb, and if so, it would be awfull.
• 1140[11:33:58] <jelly> if it's ntp, I'm strained to see how "machine wants to know correct time" is a privacy issue
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• 1144[11:35:04] <shtrb> jelly, I read the documentation in systemd (DISTRO-PORTING) , I'm 99% sure someone had addressed it (disabled) but I didn't see that in the systemd patches
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• 1148[11:35:40] <shtrb> jelly, if nothing is set, it should never connect to google.
• 1149[11:35:46] <jelly> shtrb: which specific service did you find to be hardcoded and how do you trigger its usage?
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• 1152[11:36:20] <jelly> can you answer that, or at least the first part?
• 1153[11:36:24] <shtrb> jelly, timesyncd , but I'm not sure if it is actually there (hence the request for help to verify)
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• 1155[11:36:44] <shtrb> in timesyncd.conf to remove the pool out
• 1156[11:36:46] <shtrb> (comment)
• 1157[11:37:03] <jelly> and what's inside by default that points to google?
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• 1162[11:37:56] <shtrb> By default, systemd-timesyncd uses the Google Public NTP servers time[1-4].google.com, if no other NTP configuration is available. They serve time that uses a leap second smear, and can be up to .5s off from servers that use stepped leap seconds.
• 1163[11:38:08] <shtrb> That's in the doc , not sure if that is accurate
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• 1166[11:38:47] <jelly> shtrb: does "strings /lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd" show any of that?
• 1167[11:38:49] <shtrb> jelly , that my actual question - if that the actual behavoir or not , if it does it's a privacy bug if it's not sorry for wasting everyone's time
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• 1169[11:39:11] <verblendet> dutchfish, it works! you are right, i looked at the wrapper script and it turned out that the purdb authentication was not set on.... a bit tricky as you have to create symlinks to afile in a conf dir, and its not translated as other options....
• 1170[11:39:14] <verblendet> woohoo
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• 1174[11:40:29] <jelly> shtrb: it should not be hard to do "apt-get source systemd" and see if the hardcoded defaults point to those or not
• 1175[11:40:56] <shtrb> that's how I learned about that comment in the first place
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• 1177[11:45:05] <shtrb> I think I have found it , it's set compile time (" DEFAULT_NTP_SERVERS = 0.debian.pool.ntp.org 1.debian.pool.ntp.org 2.debian.pool.ntp.org 3.debian.pool.ntp.org" ) sorry for the time wasted
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• 1179[11:46:43] <jelly> shtrb: that still leaks the same info as setting to time[1-4].google.com, just to a different party
• 1180[11:47:06] <jelly> I don't see how either would be a significant privacy issue
• 1181[11:47:43] <shtrb> that's a #d-o (let's move it there)
• 1182[11:47:49] <jelly> if anything, it leaks more info to ntp.org DNS servers, advertising your Debian installation
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• 1208[12:06:17] <Knaldgas> Running the command: "while true; do echo $(date +%s.%N); sleep 1; done", the content of the output is as expected, but the output lags, up to a second, outputting 2 lines at the same time. How can this happen?
• 1209[12:06:51] <Knaldgas> buffering of some kind?
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• 1211[12:08:24] <pragomer> do u know a program to automatically delete file doubles/triples? no matter what file in which folder, it should just remain one file version
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• 1214[12:09:36] <rant> no, you'd need a deamon that monitored and checksummed every file.. then you'd need it to maintain links or something otherwise it wouldnt know which to remove
• 1215[12:09:52] <selckin> fslint, fdupes
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• 1217[12:10:59] <rant> yeah there are plenty of things that will compare files and delete duplicates.. not that will do it automatically
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• 1219[12:11:28] <RoyK> Knaldgas: replaced-url
• 1220[12:11:32] <selckin> depends what he meant
• 1221[12:11:51] <Knaldgas> RoyK, tried that, still laggy output
• 1222[12:12:32] <Knaldgas> And theres no pipe (other than program to stdout)
• 1223[12:13:00] <RoyK> stdout to terminal usually isn't buffered
• 1224[12:13:12] <selckin> well it can have to wait for cpu time
• 1225[12:13:43] <RoyK> selckin: with the normal cpu scheduler, that shouldn't happen very often
• 1226[12:14:03] <RoyK> i/o, perhaps, especially if you're low on RAM and swapping hard
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• 1228[12:14:19] <selckin> depends what hardware and power saving settings etc
• 1229[12:14:22] <noln> Knaldgas, #bash
• 1230[12:14:30] <RoyK> but still - a oneliner like that shouldn't hang
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• 1233[12:15:05] <Knaldgas> noln, in bash, yes
• 1234[12:15:12] <RoyK> noln: I don't think it's necessary to redirect someone to #bash because of this - it's not really a bash thinkg - the script is very simple
• 1235[12:16:31] <RoyK> Knaldgas: what does "uptime" say about the system load?
• 1236[12:16:58] <Knaldgas> load average: 0.12, 0.46, 0.54
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• 1238[12:17:06] <noln> the point is they generally are knowledgeable about this kind of Q's and accept non-syntax-related Q's.
• 1239[12:17:16] <RoyK> so probably not cpu or i/o load to speak of
• 1240[12:17:53] <Knaldgas> I don't expect, it's a quad-core, with very little to do right now.
• 1241[12:18:10] <Knaldgas> And not running warm
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• 1243[12:18:35] <RoyK> not sure why it's lagging - sorry
• 1244[12:19:01] <Knaldgas> Even tried with nice -20
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• 1248[12:21:37] <Knaldgas> Have you tried to run the script on your machine? Consistent output timewise?
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• 1257[12:24:34] <n4dir> on a side note: isn't it better to just do while true; do date; done; instea of "echo date" ?
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• 1259[12:24:46] <n4dir> better as in: does the echo add anything needed?
• 1260[12:24:52] <Knaldgas> Ehh, hehe yes...
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• 1262[12:25:14] <Knaldgas> Hmm, same issue here
• 1263[12:25:29] <Knaldgas> Still having laggy output, although content is as expected
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• 1265[12:27:48] <n4dir> Knaldgas: only for your info, it doesn't seem to lag here.
• 1266[12:27:55] <Knaldgas> It seem to be related to X somehow. Running from a virtual terminal, I get consistently timed output.
• 1267[12:28:09] <ekoxe> exit
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• 1272[12:30:18] <Knaldgas> n4dir, thanks
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• 1275[12:31:33] <Knaldgas> n4dir, the echo date was a blunder. although removing echo didn't improve timing.
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• 1279[12:35:06] <n4dir> Knaldgas: perhaps this is really a question for #bash, as it seems to be hard to figure out what might result in such. To me it looks as if #bash would be very silent these days though ...
• 1280[12:35:25] <Knaldgas> gnome-terminal, rxvt and xterm all have unexplained delays when running 'while true; do date +%s.%N; sleep 1; done' - Running the same command in a virtual terminal (ctrl-alt-F3) does not have the same issue.
• 1281[12:35:37] <n4dir> anyway: good luck, i got to run ... :-)
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• 1283[12:36:22] <Knaldgas> Thanks for trying to help me out :)
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• 1291[12:45:42] <Knaldgas> Hmm, seems to be related to ThunderBolt or xrandr, or... - If I unplug thunderbolt dock/monitor, it works without lag - Plugging in the thunderbolt dock/monitor, the lagging starts...
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• 1328[13:10:27] <pragomer> fslint vs fdupes? which one is more for beginners?
• 1329[13:10:30] <ksk> no 2d acceleration for your thunderbolt foo maybe? is there a gpu included(inside the thunderbolt thingy) ?
• 1330[13:11:25] <ksk> pragomer: if you want to find duplicates, finddup (I assume its in fdupes) is the thing to go.
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• 1349[13:24:10] <pragomer> need to fully automatically delete all duplicates so that just one file remains (no matter in what folder)
• 1350[13:24:18] <pragomer> going to have a look at fdupes
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• 1369[13:42:52] <pagetelegram> My mouse freezes using Debian 8, on a regular basis. Found that earlier versions of Deb had this issue as a kernel bug; had to do with IRQ conflict between trackpad and mouse...In my case USB mouse works without issue. It is just the trackpad that freezes chronically. Going to try solution posted here, although this maybe a newer issue: replaced-url
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• 1373[13:45:58] <petn-randall> pagetelegram: You might want to upgrade to 9 soon. 8 only gets limited security support.
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• 1375[13:47:41] <pagetelegram> I'm afraid of upgrading and I did that once with my preferred distro and some things broke. Using WindowMaker Live.
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• 1380[13:50:10] <petn-randall> pagetelegram: Are you using WindowMaker Live, or Debian 8 though?
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• 1382[13:51:13] <pagetelegram> WindowMaker Live was built on Debian 8, tho yes it is WindowMaker Live. I have tried Deb 9 with Wmaker setup myself and I'm unable to get everything to match what I like about the distro.
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• 1384[13:51:56] <petn-randall> !based on
• 1385[13:51:57] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 1386[13:52:46] <pagetelegram> ok thanks petn. That clarifies.
• 1387[13:52:55] <petn-randall> pagetelegram: That's not Debian then, though. We cannot know what the maintainers of WindowMaker Live changed or broke, so we can't help you fix the issue. I'd try asking in ##linux, or finding the support channel from their website.
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• 1395[13:56:33] <shtrb> pagetelegram, there was debian live for a while , and you can install debian on a thumb drive
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• 1397[13:58:58] <petn-randall> There still is. It's a maintained project.
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• 1424[14:17:32] <pragomer> fdupes seems to be perfect, just what I was looking for. thank you very much
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• 1494[15:09:50] <greylinensuit> whois greylinensuit
• 1495[15:10:25] <greylinensuit> lol sorry
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• 1498[15:11:04] <petn-randall> greylinensuit: Quite a philosphical question, isn't it?
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• 1520[15:28:37] <fr0xk> How do I set mouse click sensitivity? Sometimes my single click instance results double
• 1521[15:28:57] <fr0xk> The behaviour is not present when working with Windows
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• 1524[15:29:22] <petn-randall> fr0xk: Your DE will have something in the settings.
• 1525[15:29:32] <fr0xk> fr0xk: It is WM
• 1526[15:29:35] <fr0xk> bspwm
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• 1534[15:32:23] <fr0xk> petn-randall: It is WM, bspwm
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• 1537[15:35:16] <petn-randall> fr0xk: I don't know how to set it there.
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• 1551[15:47:39] <fr0xk> petn-randall: I needed to install xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-mouse
• 1552[15:47:44] <fr0xk> That fixed it :)
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• 1594[16:27:34] <Getattrovskaya> hello, what is wrong with rotating display feature? it rotates 180 degrees when I select 90
• 1595[16:27:52] <Getattrovskaya> it took me 10 minutes to bring the display into proper position
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• 1597[16:28:22] <Getattrovskaya> it also has a different gui than I had before. one that sucks
• 1598[16:28:42] <Getattrovskaya> three arrows instead of dropdown text menu
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• 1635[16:47:28] <Thhunder> Hey guys, someone knows a bit of the preseed from debian and can help me out with a tricky configuration? (maybe in german?)
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• 1637[16:49:00] <shtrb> #debian-de ?
• 1638[16:49:17] <shtrb> (for the german part)
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• 1641[16:49:56] <Thhunder> @shtrb ah okay, good to know, but you can still help?
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• 1643[16:50:18] <shtrb> !ask
• 1644[16:50:18] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1645[16:50:19] <Peyam> hi
• 1646[16:50:19] <petn-randall> Thhunder: Only if you ask your actual question.
• 1647[16:50:24] <PaddyF> its #debian.de not -de
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• 1649[16:50:33] <PaddyF> preferably on OFTC
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• 1654[16:52:44] <Thhunder> my problem is i want to make an auto-installation with the preseed i want the system-language in en_US and the kayboard is a german layout - the location would be switzerland but the preseed doesn't work i have to chose my location manual but its alredy in the preseed.cfg
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• 1658[16:55:37] <Peyam> hi
• 1659[16:55:51] <Peyam> alt key isn't working in my debian. none of them and I have two
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• 1663[16:57:33] <Thhunder> @Peyam, maybe you have the wrong keyboard settings?
• 1664[16:57:33] <mtn> Peyam: do they work with a live disk or any other os?
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• 1667[16:57:57] <Peyam> mtn I won't have any other thing but win 10 installed
• 1668[16:57:58] <shtrb> I think you are asking about locale settings, d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US , d-i localechooser/supported-locales multiselect en_US.UTF-8,de_DE.UTF-8, d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select de (or what ever it is),d-i debian-installer/country string ch
• 1669[16:58:04] <Peyam> and I haven't tried it there
• 1670[16:58:13] <shtrb> s/,/\n/g
• 1671[16:58:15] <mtn> Peyam: do they work in windows? that is another os ;)
• 1672[16:58:27] <Peyam> mtn, I haven't test it there
• 1673[16:58:30] <mtn> Peyam: do some basic troubleshooting
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• 1675[16:58:44] <Peyam> but when I try this : replaced-url
• 1676[16:58:47] <shtrb> Thhunder, did you went like that ?
• 1677[16:59:50] <shtrb> Thhunder, replaced-url
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• 1683[17:01:17] <shtrb> just don't copy paste what I did because I may have errors
• 1684[17:01:20] <Thhunder> shtrb; yes, my configuration looks like this: replaced-url
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• 1686[17:02:09] <shtrb> Thhunder, your country is commented out and you don't select multi language
• 1687[17:02:12] <Thhunder> i know that i have errors ^^ so i will give it a try only it fail nothing more ^^
• 1688[17:02:41] <Thhunder> maybe thats my failure with the multi language?
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• 1690[17:03:15] <shtrb> this and the country (the stable preeseed uses a diferent option )
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• 1692[17:03:44] <shtrb> ebian-installer/country string vs countrychooser/country-name select Switzerland
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• 1694[17:04:42] <shtrb> but last time I touched a CDD bush was in office, so I'm outdated
• 1695[17:04:53] <Thhunder> thats what i tryed last instalation to change the defaults i will try yours with multi language now
• 1696[17:05:11] <shtrb> use a vm , don't burn a cd each time
• 1697[17:05:30] <Thhunder> thats what i do ^^
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• 1700[17:06:23] <shtrb> I'm not sure about the de_DE.UTF-8 part
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• 1702[17:07:06] <Thhunder> maybe only set to de ?
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• 1706[17:08:00] <n4dir> de_De.UTF-8 doesnt't look unfamiliar to me (having a similar setup, minus the CH part)
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• 1708[17:09:17] <Thhunder> doesn't work i have to chose the language and location manual
• 1709[17:10:05] <shtrb> are you on stable and have you started from replaced-url
• 1710[17:10:15] <shtrb> (which is what debian stable should be using)
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• 1712[17:11:16] <Thhunder> yes i have the stable image i modified the example
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• 1714[17:11:59] <Thhunder> all is working only the local settings on the beginning of the setup makes a bit trouble
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• 1720[17:14:01] <Peyam> how do I fix it? the alt key isn't working
• 1721[17:14:23] <Peyam> it worked like one hour ago and haven't done anything on this. just been writing in Visual code
• 1722[17:14:36] <mtn> Peyam: alt key does not work in windows, either?
• 1723[17:14:47] <Peyam> mtn, I haven't tried it
• 1724[17:15:06] <mtn> Peyam: why not? rule out a hardware problem first. basic troubleshooting
• 1725[17:15:27] <Peyam> mtn, well there should be a way in linux
• 1726[17:15:47] <mtn> Peyam: if the hardware is at fault, the os will not make a difference
• 1727[17:15:57] <Peyam> mtn, yes
• 1728[17:16:00] <Peyam> I will try in a minute
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• 1730[17:17:20] <Thhunder> shtrb; i'll tried the example now, that works fine there must be a configuration fail on my preseed file
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• 1733[17:18:33] <shtrb> just share your final DE version , maybe someone could edit into wiki
• 1734[17:18:46] <shtrb> replaced-url
• 1735[17:19:00] <shtrb> and also replaced-url
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• 1737[17:19:32] <n4dir> i am wondering if "can also be pressed individually" might mean that line 4 has to be commented out.
• 1738[17:19:49] <n4dir> not pressed, preseed. Thhunder.
• 1739[17:20:06] <Thhunder> i don't have a working preseed config at the moment i tried only the example
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• 1747[17:22:25] <Thhunder> n4dir; nope it's not the line 4 it ask me for the language now but not the location
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• 1752[17:25:25] <n4dir> the other thing: when using localepurge i always leave de_DE* and en_US*, as i am never sure which i might need for what.
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• 1754[17:27:09] <Thhunder> n4dir; you mean the UTF or ISO usage? so i can use a * as placehold for it?
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• 1756[17:27:51] <n4dir> Thhunder: sorry, i only used * so i have to type less. I meant what is to be found in your example (again trying to avoid the typing)
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• 1758[17:31:49] <Thhunder> n4dir; oh Okay, i tried this config for the last time: replaced-url
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• 1760[17:33:54] <n4dir> well done :-) As far grub/lilo is concernded, you got this uncommented: "d-i grub-installer/skip boolean true" line: 342. I think that is the proble
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• 1764[17:36:07] <Thhunder> n4dir; line 4 was the magic and there was a outline in 7 - 10 so it works now thank you and to shtrb too for helping
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• 1768[17:38:35] <Thhunder> so there was a double mistake in the preseed config and i had to choose the multi-language for that special setup :-)
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• 1778[17:45:18] <RoyK> Thhunder: lilo?
• 1779[17:46:00] <Thhunder> RoyK; i commented line 342 out so i got grub back :)
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• 1789[17:52:44] <PaddyF> !kpie
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• 1807[18:03:40] <vktec> I'm having trouble connecting my Windows box to a Samba share hosted on Debian. Connecting using smbclient works fine, but on Windows I get an error saying it can't find the path. Any ideas?
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• 1809[18:06:07] <RoyK> vktec: \\ipaddress\ should work
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• 1818[18:11:11] <vktec> RoyK: Nope, that fails too
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• 1828[18:14:52] <PaddyF> ,versions kpie
• 1829[18:14:53] <judd> No package named 'kpie' was found in amd64.
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• 1832[18:15:58] <PaddyF> ,versions devilspie2
• 1833[18:15:59] <judd> Package: devilspie2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.20-1; jessie: 0.38-1; stretch: 0.42-1; buster: 0.43-2; sid: 0.43-2
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• 1877[18:50:02] <qifan> hi
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• 1879[18:50:29] <qifan> i would like to know if possible its reasonable to install, ryzen 3 2200g vega 8 graphic with amdgpu driver ?
• 1880[18:50:48] <qifan> thank you for reading and wish to hear from you soon
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• 1884[18:55:24] <qifan> format_c_double_points
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• 1889[19:00:29] <jelly> ryzen is reasonably new, you'll probably want to install the testing branch or hope all the relevant bits are backported, not just the kernel
• 1890[19:00:45] <qifan> healer as welll right ?
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• 1892[19:00:47] <jelly> esp. those 2200G and 2400G
• 1893[19:00:48] <qifan> header
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• 1895[19:00:56] <qifan> esp means?
• 1896[19:01:01] <jelly> especially
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• 1898[19:01:12] <qifan> i m going to try diferent soluction
• 1899[19:01:25] <jelly> !bdo kernel
• 1900[19:01:26] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
• 1901[19:01:34] <qifan> downlading non free http version .tar.zx from amd.com website hope it will work
• 1902[19:01:58] <jelly> I have no idea what you're downloading but if it breaks debian, you get to keep all the pieces
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• 1908[19:07:26] <qifan> indeed :P
• 1909[19:07:28] <qifan> thank you
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• 1911[19:08:53] <PaddyF> somebody crazy like me
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• 1922[19:18:27] <annadane> how often do you guys check for updates to backported packages you have installed, like once a week?
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• 1926[19:19:26] <qifan> :P
• 1927[19:19:54] <schubskiesel> annadane: well, I'm using stretch-backports on debian, so every time i do an aptitude update. at least 1-2x a week
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• 1931[19:20:46] <annadane> i've been manually checking on the weekend, but basically if you don't then you're at the mercy of whenever stable gets updates to check
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• 1933[19:21:03] <annadane> yeah there's a mailing list but it's spam central
• 1934[19:21:53] <schubskiesel> are you using unattended-upgrades?
• 1935[19:22:03] <annadane> nope
• 1936[19:22:24] <annadane> and i don't really want to because (rarely, admittedly) sometimes you need reboots
• 1937[19:22:42] <annadane> also i kind of like to vet the updates, see what's going on when i do them
• 1938[19:22:52] <schubskiesel> yeah, I also do updating manually on my client-machines
• 1939[19:23:02] <schubskiesel> and I'm using needrestart of course
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• 1943[19:23:41] <annadane> i don't use needrestart, i basically just guess based on the package. microcode and kernel changes get reboots, xorg updates means restart the display manager
• 1944[19:23:55] <annadane> anything else should be in-place
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• 2020[20:15:20] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 2023[20:16:30] <Thhunder> annadane; try another mirror
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• 2034[20:27:07] <allan_wind> Err:5 replaced-url
• 2035[20:27:07] <allan_wind> 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.200.204 80]
• 2036[20:27:08] <qifan> yo
• 2037[20:27:09] <allan_wind> mirror issue?
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• 2039[20:27:23] <qifan> my video is allways "reseting" after upgrading kernel , what might be the problem ?
• 2040[20:27:40] <qifan> turns of for 2 seconds and appears again
• 2041[20:27:45] <qifan> constantly
• 2042[20:27:55] <annadane> allan_wind, replaced-url
• 2043[20:28:10] <annadane> if it's deb.debian.org i just had the same issue
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• 2045[20:28:41] <qifan> just from backtrack
• 2046[20:28:47] <qifan> its from
• 2047[20:28:53] <qifan> <3
• 2048[20:29:05] <allan_wind> annadane: yup
• 2049[20:29:40] <qifan> i also issued the follwing command for steam : DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
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• 2051[20:29:47] <qifan> how to revert this ?
• 2052[20:30:16] <allan_wind> qifan: why do you think there is anything to reverse?
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• 2055[20:31:02] <qifan> i tought now i face the solution :P
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• 2058[20:31:21] <qifan> btw how to get ride of constant flashing screen after updating the kernel
• 2059[20:31:59] <allan_wind> qifan: it sounds like video driver issues. what graphics card do you have? Have you checked the wires?
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• 2061[20:32:44] <qifan> sure was working before kernel update
• 2062[20:32:49] <qifan> im reading google
• 2063[20:32:51] <qifan> ;P
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• 2066[20:33:15] <qifan> cpu : ryzen 3 2200g
• 2067[20:33:26] <qifan> using amdgpu for vega 8 discret graphic
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• 2069[20:33:37] <allan_wind> qifan: does the old kernel still work?
• 2070[20:34:49] <allan_wind> annadane: even with ftp.us there are issues... who do I give a heads-up to?
• 2071[20:34:51] <qifan> I think the problem is that the DeepColor mode got turned on in the recent kernels.
• 2072[20:34:51] <qifan> The difference in picture mode as reported by the projector between Windows, old Linux kernel and a new recent Linux kernel was DeepColor mode being turned either on and off.
• 2073[20:34:51] <qifan> Turning off DeepColor mode on my amplituner seems to help.
• 2074[20:35:07] <qifan> thank you
• 2075[20:35:13] <annadane> allan_wind, i'm speaking with the people on #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net now, i can report that or you can also join
• 2076[20:35:30] <annadane> though you should be using replaced-url
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• 2078[20:35:33] <annadane> i think
• 2079[20:35:38] <qifan> now work: how to work around this problem open kernel in debian never done it before :(
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• 2081[20:35:43] <annadane> i believe ftp itself was deprecated
• 2082[20:35:45] <allan_wind> annadane: yeah, I changed it, and still borked
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• 2084[20:37:34] <qifan> really
• 2085[20:37:36] <qifan> !
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• 2088[20:41:42] <cryptodan_mobile> replaced-url
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• 2091[20:43:25] <allan_wind> cryptodan_mobile: replaced-url
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• 2093[20:43:41] <cryptodan_mobile> Oh okay
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• 2095[20:48:45] <allan_wind> issue fixed, btw
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• 2099[20:49:37] <qifan> how?
• 2100[20:49:46] <qifan> allan_wind, do you have a minute ?
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• 2103[20:51:07] <qifan> "imbuted" gpu discret graphic card but vega 8 drivers amdgpu really ? flirking the ,monitor ?
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• 2141[21:24:01] <qifan> hey
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• 2143[21:24:23] <qifan> i dont have accel 3D video, on ryzen 3 2200g !
• 2144[21:24:31] <qifan> discret graphic
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• 2149[21:28:46] <qifan> youtube-dl-gui
• 2150[21:28:48] <qifan> awsomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
• 2151[21:28:53] <qifan> xD
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• 2156[21:35:05] <diamondman> Hello everyone. I upgraded my debian machine's kernel from 4.9 to 4.18, and gdm would not load correctly. So I removed the kernel and reverted the kernel libc. Gdm is still angry: it starts up, forces virtual terminal 1 to be selected, waits less than a minute before being terminated and restarted, repeats. If I stop the gdm3 service, I can run startx directly. startx correctly launches gnome and everything works. I have
• 2157[21:35:05] <diamondman> tried uninstalling and reinstalling gdm3. I do not know what else I can do to understand what is breaking, and. Why I can’t get the system to the previous state.
• 2158[21:35:43] <metreo> upgraded my debian machine's kernel from 4.9 to 4.18?
• 2159[21:35:50] <metreo> 4.9 to 4.18?
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• 2162[21:36:41] <annadane> backports
• 2163[21:36:52] <diamondman> I manually built the kernal
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• 2168[21:39:20] <nifker> Im on debian 9 with KDE plasma does kde-config-tablet not exist for it? - the kde-config-tablet for jessie doesnt seem to be compatible
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• 2174[21:44:04] <annadane> ,v kde-config-tablet
• 2175[21:44:05] <judd> Package: kde-config-tablet on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.6-1; jessie: 2.0-2; buster: 3.1.0-1; sid: 3.1.0-1
• 2176[21:44:09] <annadane> oh. :(
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• 2178[21:44:48] <annadane> judd, checkbackport kde-config-tablet --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch
• 2179[21:44:58] <judd> Backporting package kde-config-tablet in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libxcb-xinput-dev.
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• 2181[21:46:07] <nifker> or is there another GUI tool for configuring tablets?
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• 2196[21:55:55] <nifker> ?
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• 2202[21:58:12] <nifker> then Ill put this on reddit if theres no answer
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• 2215[22:11:29] <nifker> 1000+users 0 help
• 2216[22:11:30] <nifker> kudos
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• 2255[22:38:13] <balance> hi so Im installing a wiki which uses git to save the markup and it wants to store the ssh files on /etc/wiki/keys/ is that a good directory to choose to store the private ssh key for an application?
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• 2261[22:41:28] <fundatillus> balance: that should be fine. I'm looking at where letsencrypt saves my certs and it uses directories under /etc. If you're worried about it, just make sure the private keys have the proper permissions assigned.
• 2262[22:41:39] <kingsley> The latest systemd vulnerability seems to have elicited a favorable report of switching to devuan on Slashdot. replaced-url
• 2263[22:42:15] <annadane> ugh...
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• 2266[22:42:35] <agio> hi, I'm getting a bunch of weird things going on with firefox (broken state, there is a security release which would jump from version 52 to 60?)
• 2267[22:42:39] <agio> but my first question is: "is it possible for packages to just suddenly become broken - without me performing any changes?"
• 2268[22:43:14] <balance> fundatillus, hmm ok thank, gonna go with /etc for now, it's not an important install atm, thanks
• 2269[22:43:15] <agio> e.g. I don't remember marking any packages for actions?
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• 2289[22:55:04] <agio> does anyone know whats going on with firefox-esr 60 appearing in security archive? are those of use on stretch supposed to upgrade to it?
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• 2291[22:56:17] <annadane> yeah because 52 is EOL
• 2292[22:56:24] <annadane> that's why 60 is in stable
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• 2294[22:58:08] <agio> so did apt just decide to upgrade me? usually I choose which packages to upgrade?
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• 2298[22:59:39] <agio> i.e. I just launched aptitude and then was greeting with a bunch of messages about broken packages and packages which were automatically installed and no longer needed are going to be removed?
• 2299[22:59:56] <agio> but Im pretty sure I never changed anything?
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• 2301[23:00:08] <BCMM> agio: what do you mean by "usually i choose which packages to upgrade"?
• 2302[23:00:44] <annadane> check your apt logs i guess
• 2303[23:01:35] <agio> BCMM: what I mean is, if I do nothing. no packages get upgraded. only when I explicity mark packages for upgrade - is the process to upgrade set in motion
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• 2306[23:03:03] <agio> annadane: you mean /var/log/apt/history? thats the only one thats readable
• 2307[23:03:15] <annadane> it'd be history.log but yeah
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• 2309[23:04:36] <agio> oh, sorry, they are readable - if you're root
• 2310[23:05:03] <annadane> no, they should be readable as regular user
• 2311[23:05:03] <agio> well there is nothing in history.log
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• 2313[23:05:20] <agio> i think history.log is.
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• 2319[23:06:28] <agio> is term.log the output that was printed in my terminal at the time of performing installs?
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• 2326[23:08:00] <annadane> yep
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• 2329[23:09:32] <agio> nice, i love that :)
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• 2331[23:09:53] <annadane> it's actually a little more verbose IIRC
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• 2335[23:11:00] <agio> you mean there is extra stuff in term.log that is not printied in the live terminal?
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• 2338[23:12:04] <annadane> oh no it looks to be about the same i guess
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• 2343[23:14:50] <awal1> why if I assign a given keyboard shortcut for a given program in .Xresources that choice primes over all other shortcut assigned for other apps in there config files?
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• 2345[23:15:35] <awal1> an example: yeahconsole*keyFull:None+F11 (for fullscrean yeahconsole -urxvt) .
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• 2349[23:16:06] <awal1> so F12 for guake (fullscreen is ignored)
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• 2351[23:16:47] <awal1> i mean i wanted to understand why .Xresources have primacy
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• 2383[23:36:47] <testingdebian> Hi
• 2384[23:37:08] <testingdebian> the netinstaller for stretch has a corrupt gpgv file in it and the installer fails
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