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• 15[00:06:01] <moonythedwarf> How do i check kernel versions?
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• 17[00:06:42] <jolt> moonythedwarf: uname -a, if you want to see what is running right now
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• 19[00:08:03] <moonythedwarf> damnit intel. i have 3.16 and the wifi drivers i need require 4.1 >_>
• 20[00:08:07] <sayNi> I am having some trouble booting after updating to stretch from Jessie. I had to go in through TTY and enter the command startx, instead of the normal boot into Mate. Before going to TTY, the boot sequence was giving me sb.pc10 excess arguments. Something about there were 5 arguments and the limit is 4. Thank you.
• 21[00:08:43] <jolt> moonythedwarf: You can install 4.x with backports
• 22[00:08:55] <moonythedwarf> Oh? How?
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• 28[00:12:19] <jolt> moonythedwarf: I don't find the page now, but basically, look up how to install jessie backports, then if you search for linux-image 4.x is there
• 29[00:12:44] <Teapot> Hi. I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and found that icedown has now been converted to Thunderbird. My old profiles no longer work. I've tried creating a new profile and copying my Mail info into that, and can read and create emails, but can't send attachments any more. I also can't open images with Gwenview any more, or pdf's except through Firefox. They won't open when directed to Evince. Can anyone please advise how to get emails with
• 30[00:12:44] <Teapot> attachments sent in particular?
• 31[00:13:29] <sayNi> moonythedwarf Or you can compile the kernel from source. Takes a while, but isn't too bad.
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• 34[00:14:13] <jolt> sayNi: I would say that it's a pretty steep step from someone whom until recently didn't know about uname though,
• 35[00:14:15] <jolt> .
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• 37[00:15:38] <sayNi> jolt Fair enough. I did it on one of my first Ubuntu computers as a newb. I didn't think it was too bad. Of course, I did have no idea what I was doing at the though.
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• 39[00:15:44] <Komanda4523> did on mac;
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• 41[00:15:48] <Komanda4523> sudo dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/disk2 bs=4096
• 42[00:16:00] <Komanda4523> now on old pc i get; Isolinux.bin missing or corrupt
• 43[00:16:16] <Komanda4523> found; "I've had similar issues. The solution is to pass sync and set the byte block to 4 when writing the drive with dd.I'm pretty sure it's documented on the wiki."
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• 45[00:16:25] <Komanda4523> so how would i have to change the dd command?
• 46[00:16:28] <jolt> sayNi: I don't compile kernels any more since maybe 5 years ago, Someone else doing it for backports will do it better than me. But yeah, nice to have the possibility at least
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• 48[00:17:13] <jolt> Komanda4523: Plop Boot Manager. Download and get that unto the usb, then from plop I think you can browse files from usb and boot from those
• 49[00:17:24] <DoctorD90> ehm...as some days someone told me, I get some issue about wifi :P anybody that could help me? :P
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• 52[00:18:51] <Komanda4523> jolt: i know its capable of booting from usb devices; i have done so many times
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• 55[00:19:29] <jolt> Komanda4523: Yes, but we dont know what they have done with that iso. Since that seems to be the problem I just wanted to give you an alternative.
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• 57[00:20:22] <uxfi> hey Komanda4523
• 58[00:20:29] <Komanda4523> jolt: ok thanks
• 59[00:20:32] <Komanda4523> will reboot and try
• 60[00:20:36] <Komanda4523> uxfi: hey :]
• 61[00:20:40] <uxfi> how are u
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• 64[00:22:51] <sayNi> So has anyone else had the problem that they can't boot do a normal boot after upgrading from Jessie to Stretch?
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• 73[00:26:21] <moonythedwarf> jolt, linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-arr is what i want right?
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• 75[00:27:11] <aokfire> Hey, using Debian 8, is it possible to use @reboot per Vixie's cron?
• 76[00:27:26] <aokfire> or does stock cron that comes with Debian 8 not have that capability
• 77[00:27:51] <jolt> moonythedwarf: Yeah, that sounds about right
• 78[00:28:06] <jolt> aokfire: It can run any command, so thats fine
• 79[00:28:16] <aokfire> ok, so using @reboot command in my crontab is fine
• 80[00:28:24] <aokfire> to start programs I want at boot, or run commands
• 81[00:29:04] <jolt> aokfire: Yeah
• 82[00:29:12] <aokfire> cool. thanks jolt :)
• 83[00:29:28] <jolt> aokfire: man 5 crontab
• 84[00:29:40] <aokfire> thx :). just wanted to make sure it was "vixie's cron"
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• 86[00:30:01] <jolt> aokfire: I have no idea which one it is, but if you look far down in the man @reboot is supported
• 87[00:30:07] <aokfire> ok, perfect
• 88[00:30:22] <aokfire> Do you think it's safe to do that? does cron start late enough for programs to start properly?
• 89[00:31:21] <abrotman> aokfire: no one knows which programs you're going to start, you'll have to test it
• 90[00:31:29] <Zzeiss> NUCs are a bit twitchy.... out of the box they won't run much at all. You pretty much MUST reflash the bios from Intel's web site. DAMHIK......
• 91[00:31:47] <aokfire> ok, cool thanks :)
• 92[00:31:54] <Zzeiss> I have no idea why Intel won't ship NUCs with anup to date bios flash... but they don't.
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• 96[00:32:11] <jolt> aokfire: I use it to start stuff in screen for users account
• 97[00:32:23] <aokfire> exactly what I'm doing
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• 99[00:32:42] <aokfire> Gonna have to kill this uptime to test
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• 102[00:34:00] <moonythedwarf> jolt, installed, i assume i jsut reboot and it will be using the new kernel? Or do i have to remove the old one
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• 104[00:34:19] <jolt> moonythedwarf: I think it will be default
• 105[00:34:24] <jolt> run update-grub and see
• 106[00:34:56] <moonythedwarf> Yup
• 107[00:35:02] <moonythedwarf> grub had updated it to 4
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• 109[00:35:17] <moonythedwarf> rebooting
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• 111[00:35:56] <jolt> moonythedwarf: glhf
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• 124[00:46:44] <brianherman> i am having issues with gnome on debian on hyper-v i can get xfce working but gnome is a no go
• 125[00:47:20] <brianherman> debian stretch though not jessie
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• 140[00:55:02] <moony> crash_, jolt, Thanks for the help. I now can finally stop sitting in my network closet ;)
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• 183[01:07:58] <brianherman> nvm i was using wayland i guess that doesnt work
• 184[01:08:00] <brianherman> thanks
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• 187[01:08:55] <latemus> is there a tool to add a repo mirro or is the only way to manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 189[01:10:00] <Azrael_-> echo "mirror" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
• 190[01:10:34] <Azrael_-> or: echo "repo" >> /ect/apt/sources.d/yourrepo
• 191[01:11:12] <latemus> Azrael_-: thanks
• 192[01:11:15] <Azrael_-> yw
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• 194[01:11:21] <latemus> so i have to add it manually
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• 196[01:11:30] <Azrael_-> don't see like there was another way
• 197[01:11:32] <latemus> cool man kk
• 198[01:12:06] <latemus> just wondering if apt* had something like zypper and yum whhere you can add repos
• 199[01:12:14] <latemus> np
• 200[01:13:03] <dvs> latemus, I though synaptic can but you would still have to type it in manually
• 201[01:13:37] <latemus> dvs: thanks bro. also looks like apt-setup was a thing, checking if it still is in this decade
• 202[01:13:48] <latemus> nope
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• 211[01:17:15] <TomTomTosch> apt-add-repository does that. it's in software-properties-common
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• 216[01:18:23] <l4m8d4> why does debian mark so many packages as manually installed although they would also be installed if they were marked as automatically installed?
• 217[01:18:36] <l4m8d4> I regularly get orphaned packages because of that.
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• 220[01:20:55] <l4m8d4> It seems many packages are set as manually installed "to be safe" although essential packages that are manually installed depend on them anyway.
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• 226[01:25:34] <l4m8d4> For example: zlib1g is set to manually installed although I never installed it myself. If I mark it as automatically installed. apt autoremove will not attempt to remove it.
• 227[01:27:02] <l4m8d4> Which packages does the system need, and why is there nothing like "system" in addition to automatic and manual, I find that misleading. Manual could imply that the system administrator himself installed it, but I didnt
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• 239[01:35:47] <dondelelcaro> l4m8d4: there is; those packages are Essential: yes
• 240[01:35:55] <dondelelcaro> l4m8d4: but that's a pretty small set of packages
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• 242[01:36:09] <moony> Anyone know a good code editor for Debian?
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• 244[01:36:25] <mandeep> moony: there are lots
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• 246[01:38:54] <moony> *looks in package list, finds a tool dedicated to finding instabilitys in the kernel*
• 247[01:40:36] <l4m8d4> dondelelcaro: Hm. Using apt show, I can see a Priority tag, but no Essential unfortunately. Can you give me an example of a package that the system considers essential?
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• 251[01:41:42] <l4m8d4> dondelelcaro: Aha, it seems dpkg is Essential. It only shows it when it is actually "Essential: yes"
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• 255[01:44:00] <l4m8d4> That also leads me to the question, how to know if a given package, that was marked as manually installed, was actually installed by me (if I am the only user)? Because it seems hard to find out.
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• 267[01:54:23] <CuteMeOwnThroat> l4m8d4, logs
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• 272[01:58:30] <Dan39> hi \o
• 273[01:58:40] <Dan39> running debian 8.7 on a ramnode KVM vps
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• 276[01:59:10] <Dan39> noticed my system's time jumping or not staying accurate even though i thought i had ntpd running
• 277[01:59:21] <Dan39> found this error in logs: ntpd[18605]: i/o error on routing socket No buffer space available - disabling
• 278[01:59:46] <Dan39> googling for it seems to bring up other more serious issues that i dont think i have
• 279[02:00:42] <Azrael_-> errors in dmesg?
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• 285[02:01:44] <Dan39> some UDP bad checksums... clock inserting leap second..
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• 287[02:02:14] <Dan39> hmm, some lines that look like filesystem drivers being reloaded or something
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• 289[02:02:27] <Dan39> maybe there was a kernel update and i didnt reboot it. that could cause it?
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• 292[02:02:35] <Azrael_-> no clue
• 293[02:02:41] <Dan39> 1 moment, will paste
• 294[02:02:53] <Azrael_-> use a pastebin
• 295[02:03:08] <Dan39> pfft only 15 lines, incoming!
• 296[02:03:12] <Dan39> replaced-url
• 297[02:03:12] <moony> Which do you all prefer: Vi, Vim, Nano, Neovim, or Emacs for a terminal editor
• 298[02:03:14] <Dan39> jk :p
• 299[02:03:32] <Eduard_Munteanu> We all prefer vim. :P
• 300[02:04:03] <Dan39> and those lines are just surrounded by UDP bad checksums, which are normal afaik
• 301[02:04:11] <Dan39> besides that nothing since boot till now
• 302[02:04:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> Actually Emacs with a bunch of Vim-like customizations, to be fair.
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• 304[02:05:26] <Dan39> 1 interesting thing i found... the swap partition wasnt on. looks like it was never formatted to be swap. mkswap told me it wiped an ext3 signature :P
• 305[02:05:37] <Dan39> kind of has me wondering what was there... too late now haha
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• 307[02:06:11] <moony> also, swap ftw (my laptop has 12GB ram, 12GB swap, for a total of 24GB, altho half is slow, due to latency, HDD speed, etc)
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• 310[02:06:41] <Unline> moony : have u got an asus laptop ?
• 311[02:06:50] <moony> HP
• 312[02:06:55] <Unline> aha
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• 324[02:14:36] <Dan39> hmm why did i not know about the `apt` command?
• 325[02:14:50] <Dan39> ive always just used apt-get/apt-cache/aptitude...
• 326[02:15:20] <mel00010> that was my reaction to discovering it too
• 327[02:15:22] <Unline> apt is a progressed and more intelligent version of apt-get
• 328[02:15:49] <Dan39> is it still well maintained/supported/recommended?
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• 330[02:17:19] <Unline> which one ? apt-get or apt ?
• 331[02:17:24] <Dan39> apt
• 332[02:17:38] <Unline> yeah its getting more popular
• 333[02:17:41] <Dan39> if anything every happens to apt-get im sure there will be riots :P
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• 335[02:18:04] <Unline> but apt-get still has it's dominant
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• 379[02:56:41] <usergygyyg> .wc
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• 384[03:02:01] <moony> Is there a clean, easy way to switch from Gnome to LXDE?
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• 392[03:05:53] <Canucktux> moony: how far into GNOME are you?
• 393[03:06:22] <moony> Not far, dont even know how to put files/folders on the desktop, and the lack of minimize button is messing with me
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• 404[03:10:48] <Canucktux> moony: I think theres an LXDE meta package you can install and GNOME meta package to uninstall
• 405[03:11:02] <Eduard_Munteanu> moony, normally there are no icons on the GNOME desktop, it's empty
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• 408[03:11:18] <Canucktux> or have both installed, not too many downsides
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• 412[03:13:06] <Canucktux> so the meta lxde package is called lxde
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• 417[03:13:36] <Canucktux> moony: to install, run
• 418[03:13:37] <Canucktux> sudo apt install lxde
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• 420[03:14:18] <Canucktux> and to remove gnome try sudo apt remove gnome
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• 436[03:20:55] <eldebrim1> is it normal not to have the "eth0" interface when executing "ifconfig"?
• 437[03:21:13] <aypea[3]> yes on newer systems
• 438[03:21:25] <aypea[3]> you may have enoX or ensXfY or similar
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• 443[03:22:10] <eldebrim1> good. i thought it was a problem. thanks
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• 652[06:11:03] <[gnubie]> anyone here can point me to a url to read about on how to make desktop cube works in debian stretch? thanks.
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• 659[06:26:35] <somiaj> ,v compiz
• 660[06:26:36] <judd> Package: compiz on amd64 -- stretch: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5; sid: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5
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• 675[06:36:24] <Agafnd> seq24 website: "Download: seq24-0.8.7.tar.gz" debian repo: "Package: seq24 (0.9.2-2)"
• 676[06:36:40] <Agafnd> am I going crazy or does debian somehow have a later version
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• 680[06:39:19] <Agafnd> oh, huh. I guess the website is out of date, 'cause the launchpad site is ahead of debian replaced-url
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• 689[06:48:59] <nathani> are there any advantages of running Debian compared to Ubuntu?
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• 691[06:51:04] <somiaj> nathani: yes. But a lot comes doesn to choice and what software one needs.
• 692[06:51:09] <somiaj> comes down to
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• 697[06:54:27] <nathani> k, thanks
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• 699[06:57:53] <somiaj> nathani: anything in paticular you want to know? Maybe narrow down what you are looking to compare.
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• 702[06:59:47] <nathani> can I run ubuntu deb packages on Debian?
• 703[06:59:53] <nathani> install rather
• 704[07:00:05] <somiaj> no
• 705[07:00:06] <nathani> how similar are the two
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• 707[07:00:19] <Agafnd> sometimes
• 708[07:00:20] <somiaj> you don't even want to install packages for debian 7 in debian 8 and visa versa.
• 709[07:00:21] <nathani> is there a website that compares the differences
• 710[07:01:01] <Agafnd> nathani: there are different versions of most software dependencies for ONE thing.
• 711[07:01:06] <somiaj> not a single one, there are most likely to many differences to put on a single page.
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• 716[07:04:40] <somiaj> nathani: main differences boil down to policy and comunity. Debian has a clear free software guideline that ubuntu doesn't have about free vs non-free software or the DSFG, Debian also provides a frozen stable release that is supported for multiple years, giving a much slower rease cycle than ubuntu
• 717[07:04:55] <somiaj> as a side affect things can tend to be more stable, and stuff has undergone longer testing.
• 718[07:05:27] <Agafnd> more stable, but less new and shiny
• 719[07:05:29] <somiaj> but on the other hand, ubuntu doesn't require extra issues with non-free drivers and newer hardware. Ubuntu seems to have more third party ppa's avaialbe for software not currently in ubuntu, and so forth.
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• 721[07:05:51] <somiaj> ubuntu has a major coorpration backing it, so certain things get far more support and developement.
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• 781[08:12:50] <k3rn3lwalk3r> i have a bluetooth head phone when i connect my phone to it i can play music with such a good quality but when i connect it to my debain laptop sound quality sucks
• 782[08:12:56] <k3rn3lwalk3r> what is the problem
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• 825[09:03:42] <StephenS> if I add backports deb replaced-url
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• 828[09:08:13] <bzed> StephenS: there is no php7 backport
• 829[09:08:21] <StephenS> yeah just seen that
• 830[09:08:25] <StephenS> there is no mosquitto backport either
• 831[09:08:26] <FreddyP> apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package"
• 832[09:08:33] <bzed> StephenS: and for others - apt-get -t jessie-backports install …
• 833[09:09:02] <StephenS> I wanted to use backports for mosquitto, but realized there is no backport for it in jessie backports
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• 835[09:10:24] <FreddyP> StephenS: a google search found it on git
• 836[09:10:41] <StephenS> FreddyP, but its not backported
• 837[09:10:45] <StephenS> or am I missing something?
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• 848[09:17:27] <themill> also, please don't use ftp.debian.org but a different mirror that is closer to you
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• 851[09:18:29] <StephenS> it doesnt matter, backport for jessie doesnt own mosquitto newest version
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• 855[09:20:27] <themill> It looks like it is easily backportable
• 856[09:20:46] <themill> At this stage though, I'd consider running stretch instead.
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• 861[09:22:46] <StephenS> how about to use mosquitto repo replaced-url
• 862[09:22:58] <StephenS> I know its not official debian repo, but I guess many people are using this repo just fine?
• 863[09:23:25] <themill> 'many people' might be an exaggeration. Who knows.
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• 865[09:24:24] <themill> Packages can be of very variable quality and they may or may not pay attention to things like the ability to upgrade them later
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• 868[09:26:58] <StephenS> well, someone willing to backport mosquitto package then? :P
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• 870[09:28:20] <themill> Highly unlikely when people are concentrating on releasing stretch
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• 877[09:40:42] <bubbely> error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
• 878[09:40:42] <bubbely> <- i get this error trying to run ./unetbootin any ideas?
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• 882[09:43:15] <bubbely> anyone here
• 883[09:43:32] <themill> there are lots of things wrong with this...
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• 885[09:44:17] <themill> Why are you trying to run unetbootin to begin with, and why are you running a non-installed version that is not compiled for your version of Debian?
• 886[09:45:59] <bubbely> i want to install ubuntu and i dont have a usb or cd to use. so i followed a tutorial to install ubuntu via unetbootin to Hard disk - i have an 'ok' version that managed to install the bootloader but when i click unetbootin it says cant find hdd15,1 must load kernel first
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• 888[09:46:09] <bubbely> i thought if i had a better working version of unetbootin this might work
• 889[09:46:32] <themill> that sounds like a pretty typical problem that comes from using unetbootin
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• 891[09:46:39] <bubbely> oh
• 892[09:46:59] <bubbely> easy fix ?
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• 896[09:47:52] <themill> You should be able to get grub to boot the ISO image directly, but #ubuntu would have a better idea about how to drive their install media
• 897[09:48:15] <bubbely> themill no one awake in that channel! can u help me do it with grub
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• 955[10:42:05] <DoctorD90> good morning, new pc purchased, I have moved my hdd from old pc to new one, but some devices arent recognized. I have runned lsusb, pspci, dmesg...main issue is with wifi and nvidia graphic card(nouveau in dmesg)...now i come back to old pc. How can I get an auto "driver discover"? eth works luckly
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• 958[10:43:32] <DoctorD90> wifi, from acer site windows update, should be an Atheros NFA435...
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• 976[10:59:41] <StephenS> dpkg for ssb?
• 977[10:59:42] <dpkg> StephenS: have you tried replaced-url
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• 1075[12:19:23] <Komanda876> have a 3tb drive that only shows 746.52 gb
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• 1077[12:19:34] <Komanda876> i know i can use dd to wipe it fully
• 1078[12:19:53] <Komanda876> is there a way to do it faster; without rewriting everyhting with zeros
• 1079[12:20:00] <Komanda876> just want normal size to be usable
• 1080[12:20:11] <OtakuSenpai> gparted or fdisk
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• 1117[12:43:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
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• 1167[13:13:51] <JohnA> where can I find debian install for sbackup? the ppa's for it seem to have folded.
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• 1169[13:14:40] <JohnA> Is the an alternative to sbackup that provides similar features.
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• 1185[13:28:07] <jolt> JohnA: I havent used sbackup, but maybe backintime can be something
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• 1194[13:33:33] <d64> hello. i have almost successfully migrated my old i386 debian installation to amd64. kernel is migrated, packages are migrated, dpkg and apt-get work fine, just one issue remains: aptitude, on "aptitude install", wants to install hundreds of :i386 packages back. what gives? if i say "aptitude remove packagename:i386", this removes that package from the list, but there are hundreds.
• 1195[13:33:56] <d64> note that dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections do not list these :i386 packages that aptitude wants to install. just :amd64.
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• 1200[13:34:56] <d64> it says things like "epic4 : Conflicts: epic4:i386 but 1:2.10.5-2+b1 is to be installed." i don't understand where this desire to install epic4:i386 comes from. the amd64 package is installed.
• 1201[13:35:05] <jolt> d64: Is that perhaps because of multiarch? replaced-url
• 1202[13:35:17] <d64> yes, i am in multiarch mode, because i need to run some i386 programs
• 1203[13:35:21] <jolt> Can you remove the i386 architecture? I have not used this stuff, so I donät know
• 1204[13:35:24] <jolt> ah
• 1205[13:35:40] <d64> i can remove it, and that solves the issue, yes, but i think there must be some solution that would allow multiarch usage
• 1206[13:36:37] <d64> the actual :i386 packages that i want installed are libc6 and zlib1g and such. the packages mentioned in the above list are in no way their dependencies
• 1207[13:36:51] <jolt> Sorry, I have no idea about it
• 1208[13:37:05] <d64> ok, maybe someone who is knowledgeable in aptitude sees this
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• 1391[15:06:29] <petn-randall> I do I find out which package creates /etc/aliases? 'apt-file search /etc/aliases' doesn't show up, so I'm guessing it's created in postinst by some package.
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• 1396[15:09:40] <jolt> petn-randall: exim perhaps?
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• 1406[15:14:34] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 1408[15:15:46] <Azrael_-> i'm using cryptcat but if i use "tar cz <somefiles> | cryptcat -k <mypw> <target>" the transfer never ends. if i use "nc" i use the option "-q 0" but it seems like cryptcat doesn't support this. how can i properly use it?
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• 1411[15:19:53] <FireStriker> hi
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• 1414[15:22:06] <sora_> im wondering how to abort the debian 8 installer.
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• 1420[15:26:10] <petn-randall> jolt: Grepping around in /var/lib/dpkg/ I found the postinst of postfix that creates it. I was hoping to find a more robust approach, though, since I wouldn't have found it if there was some indirection via variables (e.g. if it was "/etc/$aliasfile" in there I wouldn't have found it.)
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• 1428[15:33:23] <petn-randall> blackflow: You mentioned you use apparmor to restrict your firefox. Would you like to share your setup with me?
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• 1431[15:34:25] <ConsciousCreator> Hi folks, I'm running Debian 8.0 "Jessie" on my Samsung Netbook, and the battery meter appears to be showing a faulty value... It's been showing 94% battery level for a number of hours now. I've checked the battery level on the Xfce "taskbar", as well as from the command line using "acpi -v" and they both show 94% battery level. Does anyone know how to fix this, so it shows the correct battery level?
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• 1436[15:35:16] <FireStriker> how to a abort a deban linux install?
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• 1438[15:35:34] <Azrael_-> complete new install?
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• 1440[15:35:43] <FireStriker> yep
• 1441[15:35:52] <Azrael_-> ctrl+alt+del?
• 1442[15:35:57] <FireStriker> nothing
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• 1445[15:36:04] <Azrael_-> reset? power-off?
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• 1447[15:36:21] <BillKGR> Just push the button :)
• 1448[15:36:26] <FireStriker> im thinking of powing off.
• 1449[15:36:46] <FireStriker> the hdd is small and not rly importen to me any way so if it buggeres up i dont care
• 1450[15:36:53] <Azrael_-> your data will be probably already lost, no matter what you do
• 1451[15:37:05] <BillKGR> Have you went through formatting the disk?
• 1452[15:37:11] <petn-randall> ConsciousCreator: I'm guessing that the kernel is showing wrong values, can you check in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/?
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• 1455[15:37:47] <FireStriker> yep partioned it was downloading the packeges
• 1456[15:38:07] <petn-randall> ConsciousCreator: There should be several files like "status" and "capacity_level", check their contents.
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• 1458[15:38:27] <petn-randall> FireStriker: Yes, power off and then just reformat when needed.
• 1459[15:38:37] <BillKGR> FireStriker, So the data is gone, but powering off the machine won't cause any harm
• 1460[15:39:13] <FireStriker> ok
• 1461[15:39:56] <dvs> *blam!*
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• 1569[16:24:28] <moonythedwarf> Wow, HP. wow.
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• 1573[16:24:40] <petn-randall> moonythedwarf: ?
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• 1575[16:24:51] <moonythedwarf> HP firmware has the windows bootmanager hardcoded
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• 1577[16:25:12] <petn-randall> moonythedwarf: How do you mean that?
• 1578[16:25:18] <moonythedwarf> i had to risk messing with EFI files to get grub2 to run as my bootmanager.
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• 1582[16:25:59] <petn-randall> moonythedwarf: I see. You EFI setup didn't have an option to select it? Which device model is this?
• 1583[16:26:26] <moonythedwarf> I didnt even see a EFI setup in the bios. HP pavillion i believe. leme check
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• 1588[16:27:42] <moonythedwarf> *thinking* Model id is not on the bottom of the laptop?
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• 1594[16:29:30] <moonythedwarf> HP bios have given me more trouble than its worth. First i had to modify multiple GRUB scripts to get update-grub to even work, second i had to mess with EFI files. At least i hopefully dont have to mess with it ever again
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• 1606[16:31:42] <cluelessperson> _apt:x:111:65534::/nonexistent:/bin/false
• 1607[16:31:44] <cluelessperson> What's this user for?
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• 1618[16:35:55] <moonythedwarf> cluelessperson, from the name, probably apt?
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• 1620[16:36:28] <moonythedwarf> Yea, its apt
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• 1624[16:37:44] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: apt by default drops privileges when accessing the internet, to fetch packages or to pull changelogs. I'm guessing this is the user it drops to for doing those tasks.
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• 1630[16:40:17] <cluelessperson> alright, thanks
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• 1643[16:46:54] <moonythedwarf> uh, why does debian 'bing' when in insert mode for keyboard?
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• 1654[16:50:52] <blackflow> petn-randall: sure, sec
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• 1677[17:02:31] <blackflow> petn-randall: eh I don't have it on this computer (don't use firefox here), and it looks it's not included in my back USB
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• 1680[17:02:52] <blackflow> petn-randall: but, it's the profile from the apparmor package, modified to remove access to anything in $HOME, except rw to ~/Downloads
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• 1685[17:03:21] <blackflow> petn-randall: the one in /usr/share/doc/apparmor/
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• 1792[18:19:03] * penguin42 is wondering if the right thing is to clone the CHECK_RCPT_SPF into another file and tweak it to my own needs - probably change the deny/message to a warn/add_header?
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• 1801[18:25:48] <penguin42> ah, a warn would carry on where a deny stops at that point - so probably an 'accept' with an 'add_header' ?
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• 1823[18:41:13] <jak2000> hi all
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• 1826[18:41:37] <jak2000> wich is the official sources.list ?
• 1827[18:41:45] <jak2000> 3 lines anyone can give me? please
• 1828[18:42:05] <jak2000> !help
• 1829[18:42:14] <mtn> !sources
• 1830[18:42:14] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1831[18:42:22] <jak2000> thx
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• 1883[19:11:31] <jak2000> hi all why cant install curl command: replaced-url
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• 1890[19:15:27] <nkuttler> jak2000: that doesn't look like the entire output
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• 1909[19:21:00] <jak2000> nkuttler: replaced-url
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• 1915[19:22:28] <nkuttler> jak2000: i'd start by removing this glassfish thing
• 1916[19:23:04] <jak2000> cant :(
• 1917[19:23:09] <jak2000> really cant
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• 1923[19:24:20] <jak2000> trying reinstalling glassfish
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• 1926[19:26:27] <nkuttler> jak2000: you can still reinstall it later
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• 1931[19:27:27] <jhutchins> Looks like glassfish has a bad init script.
• 1932[19:27:40] <jhutchins> jak2000: What release is this?
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• 1934[19:28:15] <jak2000> jhutchins removed glassfish
• 1935[19:28:18] <jak2000> continue the error
• 1936[19:28:37] <jhutchins> jak2000: Can't be the same error, that was specifically glassfish.
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• 1938[19:28:40] <jak2000> restarted the server...
• 1939[19:29:00] <jhutchins> Do you understand what the lines you pasted were telling you?
• 1940[19:29:06] <jak2000> yes
• 1941[19:29:11] <jak2000> wait trying again curl
• 1942[19:29:53] <jak2000> insserv: Starting GlassFish_swManzana depends on rmnologin and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
• 1943[19:29:57] <jak2000> same removed glassfish
• 1944[19:30:03] <jak2000> deleted domain
• 1945[19:30:09] <jak2000> deleted glassfish dir
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• 1947[19:30:36] <jhutchins> jak2000: Again, what release is this?
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• 1950[19:32:02] <jak2000> Linux version 3.16.0-4-586 (debian-kernel@replaced-ip) (gcc version 4.8.4 (Debian 4.8.4-1) ) #1 Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08)
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• 1953[19:32:25] <jak2000> VERSION="8 (jessie)"
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• 1955[19:33:18] <jak2000> or release of glassfish?
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• 1960[19:34:38] <jhutchins> jak2000: jessie was what I wanted. How did you install glassfish?
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• 1964[19:35:02] <jhutchins> jak2000: Did you download a .deb from Oracle?
• 1965[19:35:40] <jak2000> done
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• 1968[19:35:55] <jhutchins> jak2000: Sorry if you've already answered these questions, I came in at :21
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• 1970[19:36:04] <jak2000> jhutchins
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• 1972[19:36:12] <jak2000> yes done, deleted service (is the problem)
• 1973[19:36:17] <jak2000> and install curl
• 1974[19:36:29] <jak2000> and now installing again glassfish
• 1975[19:36:37] <jak2000> i get a zip file rom oracle.com
• 1976[19:36:53] <jhutchins> jak2000: That's the problem. You should use the Debian packages.
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• 1978[19:37:14] <jak2000> where can download
• 1979[19:37:15] <jak2000> how to?
• 1980[19:37:26] <jhutchins> jak2000: Oracle Glassfish is built for Oracle Enterprise Linux, essentially RHEL5. It espects a RedHat type system.
• 1981[19:38:02] <jhutchins> jak2000: Just use aptitude. They're in the Debian repositories. They may not be as recent as the ones direct from Oracle, but they're built to run on Debian.
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• 1983[19:38:28] <jhutchins> !glassfish
• 1984[19:38:58] <jak2000> sudo aptitude install glassfish
• 1985[19:39:16] <jak2000> no t found the package
• 1986[19:39:29] <jhutchins> glassfish-javaee
• 1987[19:39:37] <jak2000> ok
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• 1989[19:40:19] <jhutchins> I'm not sure what other packages you might need, aptitude search glassfish and find a decent doc that specifically talks about glassfish on Debian, preferably Debian 8 specific.
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• 1991[19:41:13] <jhutchins> replaced-url
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• 1993[19:42:46] <jak2000> exist a way for isntall java8 ?
• 1994[19:42:51] <jak2000> all documentation is for ubuntu
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• 2000[19:46:58] <jhutchins> !java
• 2001[19:46:59] <dpkg> Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. replaced-url
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• 2003[19:47:32] <jhutchins> ,v openjdk
• 2004[19:47:33] <judd> No package named 'openjdk' was found in amd64.
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• 2006[19:47:43] <jhutchins> Bah.
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• 2008[19:47:47] <jhutchins> !openjdk
• 2009[19:47:48] <dpkg> OpenJDK is the open source release of <Java> from Oracle America (formerly Sun Microsystems). All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present, but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Oracle's binary JDK. Install the default-jre package for the runtime environment or default-jdk for the development kit. replaced-url
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• 2012[19:48:30] <jhutchins> jak2000: /msg dpkg install java for instructions.
• 2013[19:48:51] <jak2000> jhutchins but openjdk wich version is? 7,8?
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• 2019[19:51:49] <jhutchins> jak2000: 8 is in backports. /msg dpkg backports FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE BACKPORTS WEBPAGE.
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• 2027[19:53:44] <jhutchins> !es
• 2028[19:53:44] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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• 2039[19:55:36] <Darklust> Is it possible to mirror a sid repo, or is it updated too frequently the Release/InRelease files to have their hash sums correct?
• 2040[19:55:45] <Darklust> *for
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• 2042[19:56:07] <jhutchins> Darklust: It's possible. There are multiple mirrors already.
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• 2044[19:57:02] <Darklust> I'm hitting that problem, mismatched hash sums because Packages.xz is constantly changing
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• 2046[19:57:45] <jhutchins> Darklust: sid is also known as "unstable". There are resons for that.
• 2047[19:58:13] <Darklust> True
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• 2050[19:59:33] <Darklust> I suppose I could manually calculate the hash sums then, I just don't have the pipes to constantly update real-time
• 2051[19:59:56] <jhutchins> You could also let the package sit for a few days before you install it.
• 2052[19:59:58] <rubas> Hello, I have a ssh tunnel, portforwarding a remote port to a local port using the -L flag of ssh. But the issue is, that I get a error saying: " accept: Too many open files ", have anyone experienced this before?
• 2053[20:00:32] <jhutchins> rubas: It's probably not the ssh tunnel that's the problem.
• 2054[20:00:36] <at0m> Darklust: replaced-url
• 2055[20:01:33] <at0m> i prefer acng over mirroring, though.
• 2056[20:01:50] <Darklust> "You should avoid mirroring from... ftp.us.debian.org" Well darn haha
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• 2058[20:02:02] <rubas> jhutchins: I am using redis on that port, could it be redis saying it out loud?
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• 2060[20:03:29] <rubas> jhutchins: do you think it's maybe my local computer saying that?
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• 2062[20:03:47] <jak2000> thanks jhutchins!
• 2063[20:03:48] <Darklust> at0m see, I've been using apt-mirror for this
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• 2067[20:07:14] <jhutchins> rubas: Look at the logs.
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• 2070[20:07:40] <jhutchins> rubas: Also, google "too many open files" and see why that happens.
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• 2080[20:11:23] <rubas> jhutchins: got disconnected
• 2081[20:11:29] <jhutchins> rubas: Look at the logs.
• 2082[20:11:31] <jhutchins> rubas: Also, google "too many open files" and see why that happens.
• 2083[20:11:40] <rubas> jhutchins: cool, going to do that now
• 2084[20:11:50] <jhutchins> rubas: Databases sometimes need higher file limits, I don't know about redis (Oracle does).
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• 2127[20:26:30] <smhar> greetings
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• 2130[20:27:53] <smhar> I am installing debian stretch into a separate partition in the same laptop which has debian jessie installed. I am installing it from jessie using debootstrap following the guide: replaced-url
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• 2133[20:29:24] <smhar> I am wondering about the boot partition.. The jessie has a separate partition /dev/sda2 mounted on /boot/efi
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• 2135[20:30:24] <smhar> the directory structure for /boot is: /boot/efi , /boot/grub as well as some files in /boot itself
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• 2138[20:32:47] <jak2000> jhutchins sometime used curl command?
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• 2148[20:39:04] <smhar> now .. the question is: What should I do for stretch? should I have a /boot partition pointing to the same /dev/sda2 .. which means sharing the same partition for two different debians? where there be conflicts?
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• 2152[20:42:25] <somiaj> you will only need a single instance of grub in the efi partition, that grub will be able to boot various oses for you.
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• 2156[20:43:21] <smhar> somiaj, so I should not install grub in stretch?
• 2157[20:43:49] <somiaj> that could be one way to do it, just manage grub from jessie, the os-prober package should detect the stretch install and put a boot entry for your stretch install there.
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• 2168[20:47:20] <rubas> jhutchins: Thank, I got help from the #redis channel, it seemed like I was making waaaay too many connections to my redis
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• 2170[20:47:28] <rubas> jhutchins: thank you for helping me out getting there :)
• 2171[20:47:49] <beak> What does it mean when my desktop session forcibly logs me out and restarts every four minutes?
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• 2174[20:48:07] <nkuttler> beak: sounds like a cron job, or maybe some autostart script
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• 2176[20:48:22] <beak> nkuttler, How do I kill it?
• 2177[20:48:36] <nkuttler> well, figure out what it is first..
• 2178[20:48:49] <beak> Cannot
• 2179[20:48:53] <nkuttler> i guess i'd try logging in as a different user if it wasn't obvious
• 2180[20:48:57] <beak> I get logged out every four minutes
• 2181[20:49:10] <nkuttler> then log in on the console?
• 2182[20:49:14] <beak> Even as a different user
• 2183[20:49:21] <beak> tried console
• 2184[20:49:33] <beak> Mauybe I am supposed to smash this computer
• 2185[20:49:36] <nkuttler> beak: is that a multi-user system?
• 2186[20:49:41] <beak> Nah, Just me
• 2187[20:49:59] <nkuttler> just type crontab -l and see what's in there, for your user and root
• 2188[20:50:09] <nkuttler> you can do that in four minutes, right?
• 2189[20:50:11] <beak> Like, if I pick it up and fling it out the window , that may make it consistent again
• 2190[20:50:53] <beak> no crontab for root
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• 2192[20:51:35] <beak> no crontab for user either
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• 2194[20:51:49] <beak> fug
• 2195[20:52:27] <beak> Why is it behaving this way
• 2196[20:52:37] <beak> Doe sit need a new OS?
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• 2201[20:54:46] <petn-randall> beak: What OS did you install?
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• 2203[20:55:02] <beak> debian
• 2204[20:55:14] <petn-randall> beak: And it's always been this way?
• 2205[20:55:28] <beak> Oh fer fug's sake
• 2206[20:55:48] <beak> Just now it went scuzzy when I booted in my OS
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• 2208[20:56:03] <petn-randall> I don't know what that is supposed to mean.
• 2209[20:56:07] <beak> I've had this OS for months
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• 2211[20:56:20] <beak> No reason for it to behave this way
• 2212[20:56:49] <petn-randall> beak: So when did it start to be like this?
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• 2214[20:57:04] <beak> When i logged in today
• 2215[20:57:12] <petn-randall> beak: And which OS release is this?
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• 2217[20:57:56] <beak> debian jessie
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• 2221[20:59:04] <petn-randall> beak: Did you install or remove something recently?
• 2222[20:59:43] <beak> Just the updates I go through, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
• 2223[20:59:45] <beak> the usual
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• 2226[21:00:37] <petn-randall> beak: You could create a new user and log in with that one. If it happens there, too, it's related to your system, otherwise to your user.
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• 2230[21:01:22] <beak> petn-randall, Been there, done that
• 2231[21:01:36] <petn-randall> beak: and?
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• 2233[21:02:22] <beak> same steaming, smelly pile of runy dog crap
• 2234[21:02:34] <beak> i get booted out again
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• 2239[21:03:00] <petn-randall> beak: Then I'd look at the logs, especially Xorg's and the rest of the system.
• 2240[21:03:18] <beak> but i get booted out before I get very far
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• 2242[21:03:36] <petn-randall> beak: Log in on the console?
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• 2245[21:03:48] <petn-randall> beak: ctrl+alt+Fkeys
• 2246[21:03:49] <beak> petn-randall, Yes, even in console
• 2247[21:04:00] <beak> petn-randall, Been there, done that
• 2248[21:04:09] <beak> same result, whether GUI or non
• 2249[21:04:12] <petn-randall> beak: Sounds like it's time to boot a live system and inspect the machine.
• 2250[21:04:32] <beak> think it is a virus?
• 2251[21:04:41] <beak> some malware attack or something?
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• 2253[21:05:03] <beak> This is windows like behavior
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• 2256[21:05:07] <petn-randall> No idea, but you won't get far debugging it otherwise.
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• 2258[21:05:35] <beak> "We're being attacked" in Word Of Warcraft first edition orc voice
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• 2262[21:05:58] <beak> AARGGHGGHH!!!!
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• 2265[21:06:54] <beak> Though I dual boot and the Windows side is not logging me out every five minutes, it is just being its usual shitty windows self
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• 2267[21:07:23] <beak> My CPU temperature is okay
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• 2326[21:31:53] <Cerebr0> Hi ! Debian on my notebook doesn't recognize my battery, and it's really wierd
• 2327[21:32:17] <Cerebr0> in the /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1 folder, all the files have the default values
• 2328[21:32:43] <Cerebr0> But the battery is still recognized as plugged in
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• 2347[21:50:19] <jolt> Cerebr0: /sys is a virtual file system which represents your hardware, so the files in there is whatever your hardware tells the kernel it is
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• 2387[22:11:28] <beak> fug
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• 2396[22:17:00] <Aboulafia2> hello guys
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• 2400[22:19:14] <Aboulafia2> when i want to make a tarball of the hiden directory from a terminal, I always have an error msg. To avoid I need to copy all of them in another directory and use tar after. Why ?
• 2401[22:19:41] <Aboulafia2> --hiden directories from my "home"
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• 2408[22:23:50] <dondelelcaro> Aboulafia2: you mean directories which start with . in ~/?
• 2409[22:24:19] <jolt> Aboulafia2: What is the error message?
• 2410[22:24:54] <Aboulafia2> dondelelcaro : not. ".icedove" an other .cache .config etc
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• 2413[22:26:03] <dondelelcaro> Aboulafia2: Ok; what is the command that you are using, and what is the error message?
• 2414[22:26:41] <Aboulafia2> jolt : at the end tar says : stop in reason of previous error
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• 2416[22:27:40] <Aboulafia2> dondelelcaro: $tar cvf hdfiles.tar .[^.]*
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• 2423[22:30:47] <dondelelcaro> Aboulafia2: that looks reasonable; there should be output from tar which has an error before that. Try with just tar cf hdfiles.tar .[^.]*;
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• 2434[22:37:07] <Aboulafia2> dondelelcaro: take a look here : replaced-url
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• 2467[22:53:15] <Aboulafia2> dondelelcaro and jolt : thanks for your help. I must leave.
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• 2469[22:53:31] <jolt> Aboulafia2: Looks like a pipe and something with root
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