4[00:02:04] <jelly> ghoti: it's better than nothing, and
if you want php 7.3 use debian 10 as platform (starting from your
existing installation that would mean a release upgrade from 8 to 9,
and them another one from 9 to 10)
6[00:03:33] <ghoti> ya.. things are complicated further by the
fact that I'm in a container in proxmox, so this'll have
to be part of a larger upgrade project...
13[00:04:45] <ghoti> Do you think running a dotdeb package is
better than running php5 (which fell off the security update train
in January)? I'm leaning that way.
27[00:12:17] <brutser> guys, cryptsetup is giving a message
during boot "cryptsetup: Waiting for encrypted device
/dev/xxx" it usually gives that when it cannot find the device
(yet), but in case i have a usb/mini-pcie device, i guess the timing
is different too and it display this message, although it can find
the device right after that. does anyone know where this
28[00:12:18] <brutser> message originate? i know it reads
crypttab and then try to find/mount/decrypt the device it reads
there, if it's the internal hdd it won't display the
message. So i would like to 1. know where it originates from 2. can
i somehow influence the behavior and suppress this message or have
it wait or whatever?
56[00:27:43] <dgriffi> why am I getting complaints from wodim
of "Cannot load media with this drive!" "Try to load
media by hand." "Cannot load media." ?
57[00:27:58] <dgriffi> This drive and computer worked fine with
Wodim before upgrading to Debian 10.
152[01:17:06] <themill> iamtheworstdev: how did you copy the
image to the usb stick?
153[01:17:21] <iamtheworstdev> balana etcher
154[01:17:32] <iamtheworstdev> windows util to burn images to
usb
155[01:18:29] <themill> !etcher
156[01:18:30] <dpkg> Initial testing shows etcher is not a
reliable way to copy Debian images for installation. Instead, use cp
or dd for linux or win32diskimager for Windows.
replaced-url
157[01:19:20] <iamtheworstdev> no kiddin
158[01:19:42] <iamtheworstdev> wonder why that is. it's the
recommended tool for raspberry images
165[01:21:01] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
replaced-url
166[01:21:29] <somiaj> though maybe the factoid should be
updated, it is more much more relaibable than whatever tool you
happen to use on windows (etchr in this cease)
186[01:33:15] <freenick1> Hello i have a question regarding
linux/GNU, am i welcome to ask?
187[01:34:33] <freenick1> A friend suggested me parrot-os from
parrotsec.org but parrotlinux.domain is the only one showing up in
search, parrotsec.org does not show up in search, am i SCAMMED?
192[01:35:42] <somiaj> Also in general security and pen testing
distros (parrot/kali) are not good distros to learn on, they often
have modified kernels or missing software one would expect in a
desktop.
198[01:38:03] <themill> earend1: the packages ship md5sums of
the files to guard against hardware failures, accidental
modification etc. md5sums are at best a rudimentary security
measure. `dpkg --verify` or `debsums`
282[02:08:48] <themill> somiaj: only md5sums within the .deb
packages; the Packages and Release files (which are what give you
security on the downloads) have stronger hashes
283[02:08:55] <folial> and those missing packages are back
339[02:42:03] <woddf2> When I installed the most recent kernel
update, I lost Wi-Fi before I even rebooted. None of the usual
iwconfig, ifup, ifdown, etc commands work. Ethernet still works,
though. How do I get Wi-Fi back?
353[02:57:25] <somiaj> woddf2: 'ip a' first do you see
your device, then check dmesg to see info about it. Maybe tell us
what wifi chip you are using. (also what version of debian are you
running and what did you upgrade to)
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366[03:07:40] <woddf2> somiaj: firmware-iwlwifi is the firmware
package. Debian version is 10.1 (Buster). Kernels are 4.19.0-5-amd64
(old) and 4.19.0-6-amd64 (new).
367[03:08:23] <ksk> woddf2: "dmesg | grep -i firmware"
would normally show if the kernel things it is missing firmware for
something
423[03:50:10] <uupz> hey all, was wondering if someone might
have some input for me...i was using networkmanager in order to
connect to my wifi network, however, when I ssh from my desktop to
my linux machine and perform a reboot, the system does not come back
on with connectivity. I then logon as a user, and my wifi cards are
completely down. However, if i do a shutdown and a manual start up,
the wifi networks are detected and the card is up...i've
424[03:50:11] <uupz> tried both NetworkManager and WICD...any
input would be greatly appreciated!
425[03:50:51] <uupz> it seems as if something is not reloading
properly on the reboot
489[04:30:37] <dvs> If only if we can speak Spanish
490[04:32:21] <ksk> dudebr: do the same with "LANG=C;
apt-get remove $pkg" (iirc it was LANG, not 100% sure..) - it
should make the output a little bit more understandable for us..
521[04:58:46] <ksk> (If you already know you messed up your
system by randomly deleting files you might reconsider and spare us
the effort - and just reinstall.. :P )
527[05:04:40] <ksk> /bin/sh: 1: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: not
found -> your apt seems to think you have apt-listchanges
installed - but the file is not there anymore
528[05:05:52] <ksk> /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.postinst: 6:
/var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.postinst: pycompile: not found ->
pycompile is part of the python package, and you seem to be missing
that, too
529[05:06:10] <ksk> WHY are you missing that files? You should
never ever delete anything which is not in your users HOME directory
530[05:07:36] <dudebr> i installed python3 after trash-cli piped
some things to code and the system now is a mess
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532[05:08:07] <ksk> "piped some things to code" - what
does that mean?
533[05:08:29] <ksk> also, installing python3 (or using apt, in
general) does not mess up your system. Debian is a very stable
operating system.
534[05:08:31] <dudebr> used pip to download libraries
545[05:13:21] <ksk> the whole purpose of pip is that you can run
it as user, and install everything you need - without ever adding
anything system-wide
574[05:34:42] <jhutchins> It's not a bad idea to dedicate a
system, perhapps a VM, to be a python development envoronment,
separate from the system you use for regular work.
575[05:35:15] <jhutchins> Roundcube 22:08 < ksk>
"piped some things to code" - what does that mean?
592[05:50:18] <ksk> ben_: bullseye is testing? go debian-next
then..
593[05:50:21] <ksk> !debian-next
594[05:50:21] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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659[06:33:19] <EdePopede> dudebr: look into kern.log (i usually
have it running in a screen window) for the device. or into
/dev/disk/by-... whatever you may recognize (manufacturer, strings
like "pendrive" etc)
660[06:35:12] <EdePopede> dudebr: have one on the other PC.
there is /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Verbatiom_STORE_N_GO_$foo for example
710[07:14:42] <Henry151> hey folks, i'm trying to get
wireguard working and having some trouble, the wg-quick up wg0
script seems to fail because of no command called
"resolvconf," but when i install openresolv it still
isn't working, i think because openresolv and systemd-resolvd
or something aren't playing nicely together
711[07:14:47] <Henry151> anybody want to help me sort it out?
744[07:49:59] <EdePopede> diogenes_: syslog still there in
buster? looking for the name of that thing (i always expect it to be
syslog-something) i found an article saying that fedora 20 removed
it completely
745[07:50:20] <BoyDoy> like this apache2
replaced-url
751[07:51:29] <EdePopede> and the lower ports are officially
assigned to some specific service usually (like 80/443 to
http/https). take care if you misuse them
752[07:51:53] <annadane> arr matey, spyware in yonder port.
753[07:51:55] <EdePopede> ah, ok. 10 is free as per
/etc/services
755[07:53:53] <EdePopede> uh, there are a couple of
"Unassigned" ports in that area even per iana list.
wondering if there used to be some ancient long forgotten services
running on them.
756[07:54:22] <annadane> wouldn't apache basically have
port suggestions listed somewhere
757[07:54:28] <annadane> i know nothing but i'd assume so
767[07:59:14] <EdePopede> this kind of document was about the
first things i've read when i'd put my hands on linux for
the first time (minute based internet, 56k modem, no wikipedia) and
then i don't like to use things i don't understand.
that's all :)
768[08:00:09] <BoyDoy> i like may apache listento port 8000
770[08:00:51] <EdePopede> BoyDoy: no problem. works even when
you run it as normal user (since >1024). you just have to tell it
so in the conf or on the command line
772[08:02:47] <EdePopede> if you don't know how this works
in general, look into /etc/apache2, debian has a pretty flexible
setup with a main conf file 'Include'ing some more stuff.
even the ports are in an extra file, so you'd just have to
rename it (never DELETE conf files if there's an alternative)
and put your own into place
773[08:03:14] <BoyDoy> how can i do this --> apache2
replaced-url
774[08:03:50] <BoyDoy> i view using lsof -i -P -n | grep LISTEN
775[08:04:20] <EdePopede> heh, finally someone using lsof for
the task as i do :)
783[08:07:48] <EdePopede> these settings are each made by a
simply config option in the conf files, there may be also some XML
like block for further settings
785[08:08:18] <BoyDoy> ok. i dont need to allow or set on my
firewall?
786[08:08:52] <EdePopede> BoyDoy: LISTEN only means that
there's a service, well... listening to it, thus running to use
that port. unlike for example your chat client and your browser
which may have lines ending with (ESTABLISHED)
787[08:09:14] <EdePopede> the firewall would block it, if is
told so. but should still work on the same pc
790[08:10:14] <EdePopede> `iptables` -L should show you your fw
settings
791[08:10:21] <EdePopede> `iptables -L`
792[08:10:37] <BoyDoy> no appear any
793[08:11:18] <BoyDoy> i using lsof -i -P -n | grep LISTEN i see
all LISTEN port i have
794[08:11:23] <EdePopede> then it should work. but if you
don't need the world accessing your httpd you should set it up
accordingly (Listen directive iirc)
797[08:12:11] <Mdlpe> diogenes_: I don't know. I got some
crash with and external raid hdd. It completly brake the system, (no
more usb on any plug). Strange
810[08:22:33] <EdePopede> BoyDoy: ports are open by default. you
can block them (firewall) or you can use them by setting up a
service (daemon in unix terms) listening on it
811[08:23:22] <EdePopede> BoyDoy: btw, you should omit the
<> around nicks, first of all it looks like the paste of what
i said and then it also may break the highlightning in clients
812[08:23:43] <Mdlpe> EdePopede: oct. 01 04:58:55 debian kernel:
[Firmware Bug]: ACPI MWAIT C-state 0x0 not supported by HW (0x0)
835[08:33:31] <EdePopede> but i never had any relevant ACPI
problems, so i'm not really into bugfixing it. my first
suggestion would have been to play a bit with Grub's ACPI
options
836[08:34:42] <EdePopede> and there's also EDD (Enhanced
Disk Drive), may also have an effect
930[09:43:28] <Haohmaru> i think there is a canal between france
and debian ;P~
931[09:43:44] <EdePopede> nah, that's britain
932[09:43:55] <Haohmaru> no, i'm almost sure there is one
933[09:43:56] <EdePopede> !fr
934[09:43:57] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez
rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users:
for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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941[09:45:41] <annadane> we were discussing this in OFTC (i hope
this isn't too off topic but it's 4 AM and no one else has
questions) and the non english channels really don't have a lot
of people
942[09:45:59] <annadane> i considered editing dpkg's
factoids to include "...or ask in the mailing lists"
943[09:46:02] <annadane> for that specific language
947[09:47:31] <annadane> #debian-es on oftc has what, 20 people
948[09:47:36] <EdePopede> can confirm this for the german
channel (next to 10am here btw ;)), been there long time ago, asked
something, after i think 2 days i repeated the question here. which
got answered by someone also being in -de :D
949[09:47:41] <annadane> your odds of getting your question
answered are basically zero
957[09:51:53] <annadane> i'm just casually scrolling
through freebsd's documentation and from a very brief skim it
seems like *all* of the russian freebsd handbook is indeed
translated into russian
958[09:52:18] <annadane> debian... is fine for what it is and
it's more than a little unfair to expect "someone
else" to do all the work but...
983[09:59:06] <Haohmaru> i wonder what OS the vatican uses for
their servers ;P~
984[09:59:17] <EdePopede> technically english is a horrible
language. it doesn't use any special letters, but that's
really the only advantage. maybe besides mostly not using arbitrary
and random gender cases (sun and moon, which one of them is male,
which female?), but then...
991[10:01:25] <annadane> BSD is developed en masse by one
company/community and linux distros pluck a bunch of stuff from
upstream, stands to reason BSDs are more cohesive
992[10:01:35] <annadane> downside is linux gets more
mindshare/actual work contributed to it
995[10:02:15] <BrainWork> hi, apt-cache packagenames shows all
packages that are available to install, as well as those installed,
correct?
996[10:02:17] <ratrace> I really wish that myth would die about
BSD being one coherent whole as opposed to linux. all the major
distros maintain and develop their base OS as one coherent whole.
997[10:02:40] <jmd> I've just upgraded to 10.1 and now it
seems that both ~/.xsession and ~/.xinitrc are ignored . How can I
fix this?
998[10:02:46] <BrainWork> i read a hardening howto that said it
showed what was installed, and the help for it says "pkgnames -
List the names of all packages in the system"
999[10:02:51] <ratrace> BSDs also pick parts from upstream. ZFS
for starters. LLVM/CLANG. And many other components are NOT
developed by BSD
1000[10:02:58] <BrainWork> what exactly is the defintion of
"in the system"?
1001[10:03:21] <ratrace> jmd: hasn't it always been
~/.xsessionrc on Debian?
1002[10:04:12] <ratrace> BrainWork: which how to? no crystall
ball here, but I'm guessing the author meant "installed by
and known to the package manager"
1019[10:07:54] <EdePopede> though some kind of peer review
wouldn't be bad (see stackexchange: "this question was
protected... spam... low quality...")
1020[10:08:02] <hesco> what channel would be a good place to ask
about nfs connectivity debug guidance?
1021[10:08:05] <ratrace> jmd: do for what exactly are you doing
there? startx?
1025[10:10:22] <BrainWork> ratrace: this one, step 8:
replaced-url
1026[10:10:25] <BrainWork> it seems very outdated
1027[10:10:50] <BrainWork> im reading a bunch of these to make
sure nothing has changed in the couple of years since i last
installed linux as a gateway device
1028[10:11:45] <BrainWork> e.g. in that howto, nearly all the
sshd config, if not all of it, is now default as of 2019
1033[10:13:52] <ws2k3> im trying to upgrade mysql 5.6 to mysql
5.7.26 on ubuntu 14.04(based on jessie) since the mysql repo is down
im trying to upgrade it using .deb packages
replaced-url
1068[10:22:00] <ws2k3> ratrace: ayekat i know. but since the
ubuntu guys are to retarted to say anything usefull i was like maby
someone here can advise. cause its not rocket science to upgrade a
package using downloaded .deb files
1072[10:24:10] <ratrace> ws2k3: yes it is rocket science. Ubuntu
is NOT Debian. Ubuntu only from time to time sources from the
ROLLING RELEASE Debian Unstable and then modifieds heavily. The two
systems are very different in many respects.
1073[10:24:14] <ayekat> yeah, calling community members
"retarded" is a great way to get help...
1074[10:25:34] <ratrace> ws2k3: I mean what exactly do you expect
us to do here? TIAS. wget the deb and apt install it, see what
happens.
1078[10:26:11] <annadane> you're already on an outdated
ubuntu and now you're trying to update mysql using .deb files
which are for debian and probably won't work
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1081[10:26:34] <annadane> i mean yes i've seen .deb used for
ubuntu too but still
1082[10:26:35] <ws2k3> annadane: im using .deb files that are
build for 14.04
1083[10:26:36] <ratrace> ws2k3: yes I have. that's what you
get when you install one package on a totally different distro. not
sure what you expect us to do now
1084[10:26:46] <ayekat> well, the .deb files are for ubuntu,
though
1088[10:27:05] <ratrace> ws2k3: "dpkg: dependency problems
prevent configuration of libmysqlclient-dev" --- YES, different
versions, different packages... no can do.
1094[10:28:24] <ratrace> why don't you upgrade to xenial or
bionic?
1095[10:28:27] <ws2k3> i did a apt-get update;apt-get upgrade -y
yesterday on a few machines all work fine
1096[10:28:53] <ws2k3> ratrace: if this was a possebility i would
already have done it. but we need to finish some projects first
before we can move on
1097[10:29:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1556
1098[10:29:38] <ws2k3> ratrace: also. i have downloaded
libmysqlclient-dev and libmysqlclient20 and im also trying to
install them. see my pastebin.
1102[10:30:39] <ratrace> ws2k3: I won't. this is really
offtopic in #debian. you're using outdated ubuntu and trying to
install packages from another distro.
1103[10:30:41] *** Quits: jmd (~user@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1104[10:31:01] <ayekat> can dpkg handle simultaneous version
upgrades, actually? because looking at that error message, it looks
like the operations should succeed
1105[10:31:07] <ayekat> (regardless of whether this is ubuntu or
debian)
1106[10:31:38] <ws2k3> ayekat: exacly my point
1107[10:31:52] <ratrace> ws2k3: btw... 14.04 can do snaps, right?
1108[10:32:06] <ayekat> ws2k3: I'd try removing the
conflicting mysql packages there, and then install the .deb files in
a second step
1109[10:32:09] <ratrace> install mysql from snaps then.
1110[10:32:16] <ayekat> or yeah, snaps, maybe
1111[10:32:26] <ws2k3> yeah snaps is a good idea to check out
1112[10:32:29] <ratrace> snaps are designed for this very purpose
1115[10:32:59] <ratrace> cross installing debs is only gonna
result with huge mess. different versions, different dependencies,
in some cases package renames..... just... no.
1120[10:35:33] <ratrace> ws2k3: then perhaps ask #mysql for help?
it's their package then.
1121[10:35:39] <ayekat> ws2k3: the "official" has no
meaning, because it's built by a third party - i.e. as far as
ubuntu is concerned, it's as inofficial as anything else
1124[10:39:00] <ayekat> hesco: not very familiar with docker, but
it looks like you have to connect to localhost on ports 111 and 2049
(that's how the ports appear to be mapped in your first paste,
at least)
1130[10:41:17] <ratrace> ws2k3: well the snap has nothing to do
with apt installed packages and they might conflict. snaps are
isolated. did you try installing it?
1131[10:41:30] <ayekat> "doesnt work" is not very
descriptive :-)
1132[10:41:33] <avu> knullare: that's a dangerous
misconception, docker is decidedly *not* a VM, it's more like a
chroot on steroids
1133[10:41:36] <ratrace> isolated = there's no upgrade
happening, it's totally separate software installation
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1139[10:43:31] <ratrace> no it doesn't depend on that.
dockers and VMs are different technologies with different goals only
sharing very minimal common traits, like "isolated stuff"
1140[10:43:53] <BrainWork> ratrace: no, just debian. i'm
picking out the generic linux parts of these howtos
1149[10:44:47] <ratrace> BrainWork: okay, so what's your
question here really?
1150[10:45:20] <BrainWork> is the documentation of apt-cache
pkgnames wrong?
1151[10:45:41] <ayekat> in what context?
1152[10:45:46] <ratrace> which documentation are you referring
to?
1153[10:45:47] <BrainWork> i think it basically depends upon your
interpretation of what a package 'in the system' is, e.g.
is it 'in apt's database' or 'installed'?
1155[10:45:57] <BrainWork> type apt-cache on its own with no
params
1156[10:46:09] <BrainWork> and look at the wording of the
explaination of the pkgnames parameter
1157[10:46:20] <ratrace> BrainWork: that's the same thing.
unless by "installed" you mean unpacking tarballs which
apt has no idea about and thus apt-cache can't tell you
anything
1171[10:48:34] <ratrace> BrainWork: you're conflating
different things here. On debian, a package is a .deb. .deb files
are managed by dpkg but higher level package management is done by
apt.
1172[10:48:38] <hesco> I assume those are the ports an NFS client
wants to find, but am not really practiced with NFS
1173[10:48:49] <jmd> So that raises the question, how do I tell
gdm to use my prefered window manager?
1174[10:49:14] <ratrace> BrainWork: so if you're installing
with "apt" then apt's database is relevant. if
you're unpacking random tarballs outside of apt, that's
not installing with the package manager and apt can't know
about those files
1175[10:49:33] <ayekat> hesco: so far I see that you are trying
to connect to 192.168.51.114 instead of your local machine
1176[10:49:37] <ratrace> jmd: gdm has the ability to choose
session, there should be a cog icon next to login button or
something
1181[10:50:38] <ratrace> jmd: last time I tried gdm it was a bit
convoluted. gdm remembers you from last time and offers only one
login button so I had to tell it "that's not me" to
get to the top-level login screen where the cog was.
1182[10:50:52] <jmd> jelly: Yeah that's what I expected, but
I can't see any such thing. And I'd really like to set a
default one for me.
1183[10:51:02] <hesco> ayekat: yes, from 192.168.51.121, I am
trying to connect back to 192.168.51.114
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1185[10:51:42] <ayekat> hesco: yes, but 192.168.51.144 is the IP
address of your docker container
1186[10:51:58] <ayekat> why do you connect to that IP address?
1187[10:52:19] <ayekat> because it maps the ports to 111 and 2049
on your host machine
1188[10:52:40] <ayekat> (again, I'm not familiar with
namespaced networking, even less so under docker)
1189[10:52:42] <hesco> ayekat: no, .114 is the address of the
docker host which is running my NFS docker container.
1191[10:53:42] <hesco> docker uses NAT through iptables to route
traffic from a software defined network on the host machine to the
physical NICs on the host.
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1193[10:54:21] <ayekat> ah, so I got that wrong there
1194[10:54:24] <hesco> ayekat: that is what we mean in docker
when we discuss 'EXPOSE'ing a port
1195[10:55:12] <ws2k3> got it fixed. turns out the ubuntu package
is not the same as the mysql package from mysql. so all i needed to
do was to remove all mysql package and then dpkg -i *.deb
1237[11:21:21] <annadane> redshift... is there a way to like,
stop it after i exit a DE/WM, because i see that the process keeps
running but the brightness is obviously not the same as it was
1238[11:22:08] <annadane> and sometimes i've also had
instances where on exiting and re-entering xorg if i have redshift
in my de/wm autostart then i get multiple instances of it running
1239[11:22:25] <annadane> i guess that actually was a question
1272[11:32:56] <Eightynine> By the way it's not the only
thing, Gnome Software didn't work on fresh installation until I
did "sudo apt update". And I cant install flatpak from
GUI, it stucks at 0%.
1273[11:33:18] <annadane> i just tried it with gedit and it works
fine for me
1298[11:41:29] <Eightynine> I didn't like Gnome too, seems
like it was made for tablets. Such a stupid interface and takes a
lot of resources. I remember I tried Debian for the first time and
it came with Gnome 3.8. It was lagging because at that time I had
Radeon card and it required proprietary software (which hasn't
been installed). It was very bad experience.
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1300[11:42:07] <Haohmaru> afaik gnome tries to look like crApple
OS
1301[11:42:17] <Haohmaru> that's why it would suck
1302[11:42:18] <annadane> i think xfce is a fair bit more
intuitive and if anything probably should be the default
1303[11:42:35] <Haohmaru> yeah, xfce and LXDE are more sane
1304[11:42:41] <annadane> or mate or whatever if you really need
gnome technology
1305[11:42:42] <humbot> heheh
1306[11:42:54] <Haohmaru> i want muh window titlebars
1307[11:42:55] <humbot> they suit a certain kind of person
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1309[11:43:40] <Eightynine> Haohmaru, Yes, I hate that shitty OS
too. Stupid design, interface and memory hungry. When I had 4 GB RAM
and used Safari on El Capitan it took all my RAM. Even Windows with
Chrome didn't do that.
1310[11:43:43] <humbot> gnome is the only one really trying to do
system management in the gui and that is what people coming to
debian expect
1311[11:43:43] <annadane> "but gnome is enterprise"
then enterprise people can always choose that manually
1312[11:43:52] <annadane> fair enough
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1314[11:44:21] <annadane> but still... gnome logs crashing?
*really*?
1315[11:44:23] <Haohmaru> humbot system management? what does
that mean exactly?
1319[11:44:55] <Eightynine> annadane, For some reason XFCE works
bad for me (at least on Debian). It just locks with black screen
during monitor standby mode.
1320[11:45:04] <humbot> other desktops simply don't have a
solution for that, so they don't have a problem
1330[11:46:07] <Haohmaru> i don't understand that answer
*shrug*
1331[11:46:34] <Haohmaru> do you mean like "being able to
operate most things like settings and configuration from GUI" ?
1332[11:46:44] <Eightynine> MATE is badly designed, I mean when
you open drop down menu you see a lot of empty space in the list.
They need more programmers and designers. But they don't have
anough money and time.
1341[11:48:51] <annadane> "However, these files and folders
are mounted from the heavily compressed data that’s stored
within the original snap, located in /var/lib/snapd/snaps. These
snaps take far less space on your system than their mount points
imply:"
1342[11:49:23] <annadane> i can't stand how MATE looks. if i
want a full DE, i'll go xfce every time
1343[11:49:37] <Eightynine> I remember one day I joined MATE chat
and asked them to enhance the DE and they were trolling me.
That's stupid behaviour. And look at this (my report)
replaced-url
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1349[11:51:30] <annadane> i think mate is a bit faster but
i'm not too fond of their application suite and it's
probably faster because it's more quickly developed than xfce,
of course by the time debian bullseye becomes stable we'll
probably have xfce 4.16
1360[11:52:50] <Haohmaru> my collegue loves kde x_x
1361[11:53:09] <annadane> i know i3 is supposed to be this great
thing but i've really come to feel xfce naturally fits my
workflow, it just does
1362[11:53:10] <darxmurf> I had long ago USB problems after dist
upgrade, it's back again and I can't remember how I fixed
it, it was just a package to reinstall. Any idea of which one? USB
keys can't be mounted
1363[11:53:20] <annadane> even being keyboard focused
1364[11:53:49] <ratrace> darxmurf: you'll have to be more
precise. "usb keys can't be mounted" makes little
senes
1368[11:55:25] <Eightynine> ratrace, I understand but why should
be kidding when reporting an issue? If they said "You are not
kidding" then they thought I'm kidding first.
1387[11:58:45] <Eightynine> Someone here told me "All
desktops in Debian are well tested" but in my case only Gnome
works more properly than others. Why is that?
1388[11:58:52] <annadane> also: is this debian stable?
1389[11:59:18] <darxmurf> ratrace: nop apparently not, I have to
go in front of the machine to test that but there is no /dev/ device
created. I had this issue before and it was just something to
reinstall... damn I should have write that somewhere :D
1390[11:59:18] <annadane> well we established gedit and gnome
logs don't work, so... :P
1396[12:01:09] <Eightynine> I don't understand MATE team.
You have not enough people/money - start crowdfunding. You
don't have time/passion for development - stop developing, let
other people to do that.
1419[12:07:53] <Eightynine> They added new feature to their site.
I clicked different links (or tabs) on their site and it either
shows (active) or doesn't show that word. So that means some
parts of their site are not active.
1420[12:07:57] <annadane> let's try not to get *too* off
topic now, someone does have a question
1434[12:12:35] <annadane> Eightynine, depends on your question
and how much of it applies to debian. but just ask and we can answer
it or direct you properly
1475[12:30:55] <solido> i'm using gnome on debian buster. in
the settings ui for choosing the desktop background, it doesn't
seem to scan the ~/Pictures folder recursively, it only shows
pictures that are direcly in the top level directory. any idea how
to make it do recursive scans?
1483[12:35:08] <BrainWork> maybe a silly question, but "back
in the old days" all the ethernet devices were called eth0,
eth1, etc2 etc, and wireless devices called wlan0, wlan2...
1495[12:36:59] <ratrace> BrainWork: yeah, but that's since
Jessie. you've been away from this quite some time, right? :)
anyway, you can revert to ethX, wlanX
1496[12:37:18] <BrainWork> im ok with keeping them as-is,
i'll just learn the new way :)
1497[12:37:23] <solido> that name seems a bit excessive...
it's up to the kernel module, i suppose.
1503[12:38:33] <BrainWork> i was trying to be lazy there and tell
you what the actual hardware device model was by googling that
1504[12:38:41] <ratrace> there's a set of rules how those
names are detected and defined. personally I keep my machines at the
old ethX naming scheme, but I bind them to their respective MAC
addrss via systemd .link units
1507[12:39:07] <BrainWork> AzureWave AW-NU706H Wireless USB Half
Mini card
1508[12:39:12] <EdePopede> for typical home setups it is complete
overkill
1509[12:40:29] <ratrace> typical home setups don't usually
care as it's all abstraced under Network Manager's
"Wi-fi Connection! Click here!"
1510[12:40:36] <BrainWork> hmm i only just noticed that the
"74f06d827b11" is the mac address of the device
1511[12:40:42] <BrainWork> more obvious a name now
1512[12:41:21] <ratrace> mmh-hm. they're supposedly
predictable like that in that once the name is determined, it stay
that way. in theory. but you can't often predict them in
advance
1513[12:41:48] <BrainWork> ratrace: this is in a fanless celeron
based x64 device with 4 network ports and wifi that ive set up as a
basic NAT router
1514[12:41:48] <ratrace> I mean, you sort-of can by looking at
what udev(adm) sees and then knowing the rules, determine whta the
name would be, but without plugging it in? nope.
1515[12:42:15] <BrainWork> really, i wont be poking around inside
the shell that often to need to worry, except every so often to run
iftop or such
1516[12:42:37] <solido> you can probably add aliases in some way.
1517[12:42:48] <BrainWork> yeah im pretty sure thats possible
1518[12:44:44] <ratrace> yes, you can give them your own names.
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1520[12:45:14] <ratrace> then preferably bind them to their MACs
so they stay that way even if pci bus layout somehow changes due to
stupid bios or something
1528[12:49:22] <jmd> Whenever I reboot, my system's date is
messed up. Presumably by some network service. I don't have ntp
or ntpdate installed. how can I fix this?
1534[12:51:26] <solido> jmd: i don't think any other network
service would touch your system clock. are you sure it's not an
issue with the clock itself (poor battery etc so it loses time at
each reboot)?
1548[12:54:57] <solido> jmd: are you dual-booting to some other
operating system that might assume the hardware clock is in the
local timezone as opposed to utc?
1549[12:55:01] <jmd> It's 10.1
1550[12:55:15] <ratrace> perhaps pastebin the output of
`timedatectl`
1555[12:56:32] <fredl> hi folks. I've built an NFS root
prototype server... running off of NFS root is kinda slow though so
I wonder if there's a tool with which I can make an image on
the NFS server that I can somehow dd to the new local disk on the
target
1556[12:57:05] <fredl> I looked into clonezilla a bit but at
first looks it seems to only make images of whole devices
1571[13:02:33] <ratrace> jmd: it's default. now you need to
figure out two things: which main NTP= service you want to use, and
why is default FallbackNTP timing out. see timesyncd.conf manpage
for more info
1619[13:16:56] <solido> fredl: no, loop devices still need block
devices as backing. and mounting the directory as a file system
doesn't help (you can do that with a bind mount), you still
need a block device to use 'dd', not a mounted filesystem.
1637[13:18:50] <ratrace> fredl: tar is exactly what you need to
"copy of a filetree somehow though that I can simply dd to a
device to get the same contents"
1650[13:20:51] <fredl> No, it's not gonna work because a
tarfile is not a diskimage
1651[13:20:55] <ratrace> you want to grab a part of the
filesystem tree. you can ONLY move it to another SAME filesystem, or
package it up as a tar
1652[13:21:06] <ratrace> !xy
1653[13:21:07] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
1657[13:21:35] <ratrace> please read the above tidbit
1658[13:21:36] <fredl> Like I said, that's an option
1659[13:21:58] <fredl> tar is an option I mean
1660[13:22:02] <ratrace> so, what _really_ do you want to
achieve? grab a dir and make it mountable elsewhere?
1661[13:22:11] <fredl> yup
1662[13:22:27] <fredl> See, currently I boot this VM off of my
prototype NFS root
1663[13:22:42] <fredl> The NFS root sits on my NFS server in
/nfsboot/prototype
1664[13:22:54] <fredl> It works great, but it's dog-slow
1665[13:23:01] <ratrace> right, you need to create a loop-back
mounted image file, put ext4 or whatever filesystem on it, mount it,
rsync cp or whatever our dir into that, then you have a portable
image file you could mount on any linux system that supports them
1666[13:24:49] <ratrace> fredl: this looks like a quickly
googled-up how-to on that very thing:
replaced-url
1679[13:29:50] <iamtheworstdev> somiaj, last night I mentioned
trying to burn the net installer from windows to USB and when I
booted the installer complained about no cdrom
1681[13:30:10] <iamtheworstdev> the solution was to figure out
which partition had the data (in my case /dev/sde2) and then `mount
-t iso9660 /dev/sde2 /cdrom` ..
1682[13:30:11] <iamtheworstdev> just fyi
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1705[13:36:21] <darxmurf> and when I plus it on my system I can
mount it
1706[13:36:33] <iamtheworstdev> ratrace,
debian-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso using balana etcher and then
win32diskimager per somiaj's advice
1707[13:36:54] <ratrace> darxmurf: "Partition Table:
loop" loop means it didn't find the partition tables
1708[13:37:06] <iamtheworstdev> i saw a stackexchange where
someone said they have the same problem I do if a BIOS setting
(IOMMU?) is disabled/enabled
1709[13:37:14] <iamtheworstdev> but this worked just fine
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1718[13:39:04] <humbot> my mp3 player is like that, internal is
mounted as /dev/sdb, sdcard as /dev/sdc1
1719[13:39:23] <ratrace> I mean I guess you can mount it directly
wiht `mount` but automatic detection won't always work
everywhere without a proper partition table
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1738[13:47:42] <g0zzy> Can someone please remind me what part of
the system logging requires mysql server in some instances? I
remember i had to set a password or something in mysql server so
that logging can be done. It's playing havoc with my ability to
log in as root
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1791[14:19:36] <darxmurf> ratrace: looks like the problems is
with XFCE/Thunar
1792[14:19:59] <g0zzy> "debian-sys-maint" user is
possibly at the bottom of this. I'd ask in #mysql, but this
sort of thing is often seen as 'Debian bork' ;)
1804[14:24:39] <ratrace> g0zzy: you still haven't explained
the symptoms you're seeing
1805[14:25:03] <ratrace> EdePopede: you mean hypervisor?
1806[14:26:09] <EdePopede> ratrace: not necessarily, just to get
a user into touch with linux without changing everything and even
the need to get out of windows (since without this a live stick
would be ideal)
1807[14:26:58] <ratrace> EdePopede: since VMs are abstract, what
exactly are you asking by "what VM"
1811[14:27:57] <EdePopede> uh. something like dosbox. have a
window with the linux desktop inside it (and also tty1-6 if this
works, no idea)
1812[14:28:56] <ratrace> EdePopede: "have a window with the
linux desktop inside it" -- that sounds like virtualization
yes. on which host, windows?
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1814[14:29:13] <EdePopede> yep
1815[14:29:21] <ratrace> EdePopede: then virtualbox is really
most recommended. not like you have much alternative
1816[14:29:38] <g0zzy> ratrace: The problem is that one way or
another, i've been forced to using a certain password for root,
which i don't want to use
1829[14:32:39] <g0zzy> Well i can't answer that fully until
i say, reset the root password to what i want it to be. Then
logrotate will fail when cron runs. THEN i'd be able to tell
you
1835[14:34:25] <g0zzy> The alternative is for me to remember the
particular root password that is being used by the system. But i
probably won't remember it. PLUS the root password is there to
see in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
1836[14:34:42] <g0zzy> (which i'll also forget)
1837[14:35:16] <ratrace> all that makes literally zero sense.
1839[14:35:42] <ratrace> how about start with the basics? you get
to the console login prompt, you type in your username and password
and ____ happens.
1848[14:37:50] <ratrace> g0zzy: and then what do you do? can you
log-in in any way? use sudo/su- to change root password?
1849[14:38:10] <g0zzy> I suppose i could put the root password i
want into /etc/mysql/debian.cnf but that would be a bad solution
because it would be the machine root password too
1852[14:38:43] <ratrace> g0zzy: that's something entirely
different
1853[14:39:40] <ratrace> g0zzy: you have a mish-mash of totally
different things. first you said "logging" as in syslog,
now you're talking about mysql "root" password which
has nothing to do with the system root (uid=0) account
1855[14:41:03] <g0zzy> "You may never ever delete the
special mysql user "debian-sys-maint". This user together
with the credentials in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf are used by the init
scripts to stop the server as they would require knowledge of the
mysql root users password else."
1856[14:41:17] <g0zzy> THAT is behind my root password problem
1857[14:41:54] <ratrace> g0zzy: MySQL root or system (uid=0)
root? the two are NOT related
1892[14:50:09] <ratrace> g0zzy: you could try remove + purge it,
and reinstall anew. be warned that you will lose your databases, so
back them up first, and back up your current mysql config.
1901[14:51:54] <finn0> what's the meaning of
"proposed-updates section" in "If you have listed the
proposed-updates section in your APT source-list files, you should
remove it before attempting to upgrade your system." sentence?
(see: section 4.2.1 The proposed-updates section of Buster manual
(replaced-url
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1949[15:10:31] <diogenes_> remy^, just drag-and-drop, but it
depends, if it's interface theme then drag-and-drop in
appearence, if it's icon theme then icons and so on.
1950[15:10:56] <Haohmaru> drag'n'drop works?!
1951[15:11:12] <belgrade> I wasn't even aware that Xfce
could be themed so deeply and easily
1952[15:11:13] <diogenes_> Haohmaru, of course it's XFCE :)
1953[15:11:14] <Haohmaru> hm.. do they get slapped into ~/.
somewhere?
1963[15:13:09] <Haohmaru> such stylish mouse cursor
1964[15:13:10] <Henry151> i'm trying to get wireguard
working on my debian system and having some trouble, the wg-quick up
wg0 script seems to fail because of no command called
"resolvconf," but when i install openresolv it still
isn't working, i think because openresolv and systemd-resolvd
or something aren't playing nicely together
1965[15:13:26] <Henry151> anybody want to help me sort it out?
1967[15:14:06] <Haohmaru> uh, are you sure
"resolveconf" is supposed to be a command?
1968[15:14:15] <Haohmaru> maybe you meant resolv.conf in /etc/ ?
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1970[15:14:19] <Henry151> without openresolv it does this:
replaced-url
1971[15:14:50] <Henry151> Haohmaru: well it seems like when i run
the wg-quick script, it is looking for a command called
"resolvconf" and trying to pass that command " -a wg0
-m 0 -x"
1973[15:15:09] <ratrace> Haohmaru: resolvconf is a package and a
command and a service... that configures resolv.conf from
meta-configuration resolvconf.conf
1974[15:15:10] <Haohmaru> okay.. *shrug*
1975[15:15:13] <Henry151> googling about it led me to try
installing openresolv, which makes the error go away
1976[15:15:46] <Henry151> however, then i can't reach the
internet
1977[15:15:54] <Henry151> i can ping the wireguard server but
nothing else
1983[15:16:46] <Henry151> these are the outputs of route -n on
thinkpad (the client) and on vultr (the server)
replaced-url
1984[15:16:57] <ratrace> Haohmaru: resolvconf is configuring
resolv.conf. I don't know what wireguard does exactly and at
which OSI level but I doubt it itself does resolv.conf
configuration? Or does it?
1985[15:17:02] <Henry151> that's after running wg-quick up
wg0 on both machines.
1989[15:17:32] <remy^> Haohmaru, thnx.. maybe it wil work
1990[15:17:33] <Henry151> ratrace: I think it is supposed to use
resolvconf to modify the resolv.conf configuration, but that
systemd-resolvd is not allowing it to or something.
1991[15:17:35] <Haohmaru> i've no idea, i've only ever
fiddled with resolv.conf
1994[15:18:15] <ratrace> Henry151: no, systemd-resolved (which
ain't default btw) won't prevent modification of
resolv.conf, but NetworkManager might reconfigure it at any point
1995[15:18:24] <jelly> ,f bin/resolvconf
1996[15:18:28] <Henry151> i seeked help in ##linux for quite some
time, couldn't get it, went to #wireguard, someone there tried
to help but ultimately gave up saying that it seemed like debian was
acting differently than he was used to
2030[15:24:36] <greycat> so it has something to do with a
wireless interface
2031[15:24:49] <eb0t> ah ok ..ill continue the install without it
and then install later
2032[15:24:56] <eb0t> i have ethernet cable plugged in
2033[15:25:09] <remy^> Anyone..knows how i put a clock on my
desktop without borders thingy
2034[15:25:14] <finn0> ratrace: After reading the article as far
as I understand when a package is uploaded to stable it first
transferred to proposed-updates-new queue ->
stable-proposed-updates -> next stable release. Means if there is
a package in stable-proposed-updates, it will be added in next
stable release i.e. "Bulleye" repository because after
each stable release Debian freezes the baseline of packages. Am I
correct?
2056[15:30:27] <ratrace> nt80: I'm trying to parse what do
you mean by resolving names for NIC interfaces
2057[15:30:34] <ratrace> resolving... what into what?
2058[15:31:02] <Henry151> remy^: hmm! I haven't seen that
error. Feh not having the right libraries for .png files or
something, it looks like
2059[15:31:19] <nt80> ah, resolving the problem actually, which
is NIC interface names are being automatically renamed to
'rename1', 'rename2', and so on
2080[15:34:46] <nt80> interesting that only 1 of ports was not
renamed, other 3 ports were
2081[15:34:49] <BCMM> finn0: updates through main are generally
important security updates. updates to add new features have to wait
until a new Stable release
2105[15:38:32] <greycat> nt80: that is bizarre. I suppose the
official answer for you would be "create some *.link files in
/etc/systemd/network"
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2107[15:39:04] <nt80> greycat, i think so as well, i have 4
machines with a same NIC and it's a first time i get this
2108[15:39:05] <ratrace> nt80: I bet somethign buggered the udev
database... and I'd recommend what greycat suggested, name them
as you want, bind to MAC addresses, that's what I do, keeping
ethX but MAC bound
2109[15:39:41] <nt80> ah okay i was unaware of binding to MAC,
thanks guys
2110[15:39:49] <greycat> buster no longer officially supports
udev's method of MAC-based persistent naming
2112[15:40:00] <nt80> i hope it won't involve udev rules
2113[15:40:18] <remy^> Henry151, thanks .. it wont work.. i was
looking for it in the synaptic packedge section..and gave me also an
error
2114[15:40:24] <greycat> nt80: conceptually it works the same way
-- you can tell it "MAC address x has name y". It's
just in a different place, in a different format.
2115[15:40:40] <ratrace> greycat: I use .link files to do so,
isnt' that ok? what do you mean by supported in this case?
2116[15:40:48] <greycat> ratrace: that's not udev.
that's systemd.
2117[15:40:52] <Henry151> remy^: what was the error?
2118[15:41:09] <greycat> udev's thing was
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
2119[15:41:14] <ratrace> greycat: yes, I guess I misread what you
said
2128[15:42:45] <ratrace> finn0: the kernel rebases to newer
upstream release (within the LTS branch though) for starters, and
some other things get bumped up too
2129[15:42:55] <BCMM> if you install backports, you get new
software with new features, but you're intentionally opting out
of some of the "stability"
2130[15:43:01] <remy^> Henry151, libimlib2 is reeds de nieuwste
versie.... it says its the newest
2131[15:43:39] <Henry151> remy^: hmm, ok
2132[15:44:06] <BCMM> ratrace: bumping versions within an
upstream stable branch isn't confined to the kernel, surely?
isn't that the most common way of staying on top of security
issues as they appear?
2133[15:44:28] <ratrace> BCMM: mostly they're backported,
but sometimes newer upstream release is imported.
2134[15:44:31] <Henry151> remy^: this is the most interest anyone
has shown to my project so far so i am very happy about it, i will
work to try to figure out what this problem is.
2135[15:45:12] <greycat> Kernels get to use upstream's
updates within the same release (still 4.19.x). Firefox-esr gets
updated to the next ESR release when upstream support for the
current one expires.
2136[15:45:14] <BCMM> ratrace: ah, ok. i sort of assumed fixes
would only need to be backported if upstream wasn't support a
stable branch of their own.
2142[15:45:55] <greycat> This is because it is widely understood
that browsers are walking abominations of security holes tapes
together, and there is no rational way to backport all the necessary
fixes.
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2145[15:46:07] <ratrace> BCMM: I guess so, but if you check here,
see the few "new upstream release" entries
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2146[15:46:46] <remy^> Henry151, i`ll work on it
2147[15:47:20] <ratrace> BCMM: I am guessing it's
maintainers and secteam decision if a newer upstream release
contains as little "new features" or breaking changes so
the package is rather rebased, than stuff backported
2148[15:47:30] <nt80> another question - maybe someone is aware
of what's going on here
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2150[15:47:51] <nt80> my server was working fine about 2 months
now suddenly this happen since yesterday
2151[15:48:00] <nt80> did no updates
2152[15:48:02] <greycat> New upstream versions of a package *can*
sometimes be used for security purposes, when the fixes are not
backport-able. Bind9 and samba have both done this.
2157[15:49:12] <BCMM> nt80: it's probably worth including a
brief description of the problem, since some people are unlikely to
click a pastebin link when it's very possible that it'll
just be right out of their area of expertise
2158[15:49:54] <ratrace> greycat: yes but bind keeps stable
release branches, no new features, only bug and security fixes
2159[15:50:08] <nt80> BCMM i am sorry, you're right
2160[15:50:30] <ratrace> so does postgresql, now within major
version, all point releases are exclusively bugfix and security
2162[15:51:04] <munshine> Hello all ! We want to switch to Linux
in my company, and we were wondering if there is a system to be able
to log on with the same user name from any computer of the same
network, and recover your documents, applications settings,
personnal preferences ? Thank you :)
2165[15:51:40] <ratrace> also I think chromium is one huge
exception to usual debian package "stability", but then
chromium is a major operating system with embedded browser, so I
guess backporting would be a nightmare :)
2174[15:53:44] <nt80> ratrace, i've supposed so... got
googled this and found some guy on centos bug tracker with a same
problem, turned out we have same ixgbe driver version -
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2175[15:53:54] <nt80> i've just asked here so maybe someone
is already aware of the fix for debian
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2178[15:54:58] <ratrace> nt80: or it's just hardware. I have
a FreeBSD server with ixgbe interface that occasionally burps like
that (and connections break).
2180[15:55:04] <g0zzy> ratrace: Thanks. I recreated the
"debian-sys-maint" user and copied an old debian.cnf file
over the current one. With any luck that should work
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2182[15:55:52] *** Oksana_ is now known as Oksana
2183[15:56:03] <nt80> ratrace, interesting that I have 2 ixgbe
adapters that have exactly same behaviour, except one doesn't
hang
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2189[15:56:18] <ratrace> nt80: but *not on ...
2190[15:56:22] <BCMM> munshine: yes, that sort of this is
possible. i'm just linking this as an example because
ubuntu's got a decent overview all on one page; most of that
should work about the same in debian but obviously check debian docs
if you go down that path
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2194[15:59:18] <munshine> Thanks a lot BCMM, I'm going to
read this. I guess "SSO" was the keyword I was looking for
to do further researches, thanks :)
2195[15:59:23] <BCMM> munshine: you can also integrate with AD,
in case you happen to already have that set up
2196[15:59:46] <ratrace> munshine: also look into LDAP
2198[16:00:14] <greycat> The traditional Unix way of doing this
would be NIS for the user accounts, and NFS to share the home
directories. NIS has been largely replaced by LDAP in many places.
2245[16:21:50] <jomofcw> Installing jessie, by error (doing too
much "next" "next" :x) I've installed the
default GUI. I don't need it, is there an ez way to uninstall
it (I need the command line only), please ?
2273[16:29:38] <ratrace> jomofcw: I'd recommend just
reinstall anew and be careful this time. it's a lot faster than
hunting down all the unwanted changes gnome did.
2276[16:30:19] <dpkg> To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude
remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui
~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove'
if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
2277[16:30:26] <nkuttler> meh..
2278[16:31:07] <jomofcw> I need jessie to get the same
environment that the PROD server... I know this is bad :/. And yea,
I reinstall it and be careful to my choice this time.
2318[16:49:08] <ghoti> I see that on jessie, `php --version`
reports "PHP 5.6.40-0+deb8u6 (cli) (built: Sep 15 2019
11:18:30)". That's a pretty recent build date. Are there
folks perhaps backporting fixes for security vulnerabilities that
have come out since PHP 5.6 stopped getting security updates?
2319[16:50:05] <ghoti> And if so, where can I find more
information about that?
2346[17:00:41] <captainfixerpc14> could someone possibly assist
in getting a gui functional on a new deb 10 installation? lightdm
will not start - startx gives me (replaced-url
2347[17:00:57] <ksk> captainfixerpc14: you do not call startx
yourself.
2354[17:01:36] <greycat> ksk: they just said they *do* run
startx, in an attempt to diagnose the X problem
2355[17:02:03] <ksk> I see.
2356[17:02:07] <ghoti> ratrace: thanks, the "Notes"
section on that page I guess conveys intent. Any idea if
there's a mailing list I could lurk on to see how issues are
handled as they come up?
2364[17:04:03] <greycat> captainfixerpc14: second question is
whether you've installed the appropriate firmware and
microcode. "dmesg | grep -i firmware" may show errors that
will point out which firmware packages your Intel device may need.
2396[17:10:31] <greycat> is it worth trying buster-backports
kernel + firmware + other stuff, maybe?
2397[17:10:37] <jelly> step 1) do NOT buy latest gen hardware if
you want to run linux (without significant issues)
2398[17:10:41] <dbtid> i'm running hostapd and dnsmasq to
provide a loal AP at home. i have a dozen or so small machines that
use this AP. how do I get dnsmasq to bind the hostnames of the WiFi
client machines so i don't have to have large /etc/hosts files
on all the machines? dnsmasq knows the hostnames (they're in
/var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases).
2419[17:13:57] <jelly> captainfixerpc14: you could try to install
linux-image-amd64 and firmware-misc-nonfree from buster-backports
and boot that, see if there's a difference
2439[17:21:23] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian
11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in
the buster-backports repository. See
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connection to the internet...)
2461[17:33:40] <ratrace> ghoti: other than the Debian PHP
maintainers list, I'd recommend you subscribe to centos errata
rss feed as they still have to support 5.6 and debian is I _think_
likely pulling info from there, as nobody else is "somewhat
responsibly" working with 5.6
2485[17:42:28] <finn0> How to get list packages which are
installed from non-free repository? Probably, "aptitude
search" should work but, couldn't figure how to write
pattern for searching.
2490[17:45:02] <jelly> captainfixerpc14: interesting. Do you have
openssh-server installed and can you log in remotely via ssh to that
machine? Does it answer to ping?
2494[17:46:06] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630
(Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in
stretch. See also
replaced-url
2495[17:46:18] <jelly> uhh.
2496[17:46:43] <ratrace> finn0: there's no simple way but a
script that correlates dpkg -l with stuff in /var/lib/apt/lists/
2502[17:48:03] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630
(Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in
buster. See also
replaced-url
2504[17:48:10] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630
(Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in
stretch. See also
replaced-url
2506[17:48:17] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630
(Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel',
'ata-generic' in sid. See also
replaced-url
2531[17:57:44] <jelly> captainfixerpc14: you can build your own
kernel, wait for 5.2.17 to appear in backports, or if you don't
have much to lose, you could enable repo for sid, install
linux-image-5.2.0-3-amd64 and firmware-misc-nonfree from there,
carefully remove sid repos, reboot and see if there's a
difference
2532[17:57:56] <jelly> or even the 5.3~rc from experimental
2533[17:58:09] <jelly> but that one probably does not come with
firmware
2536[17:59:42] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630
(Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in
stretch. See also
replaced-url
2538[17:59:47] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630
(Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel',
'ata-generic' in sid. See also
replaced-url
2539[18:00:00] <jelly> yep, that's actually up-to-date now
2541[18:00:08] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630
(Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel',
'ata-generic' in experimental. See also
replaced-url
2547[18:02:36] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630
(Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in
stretch. See also
replaced-url
2548[18:02:54] <jelly> wtf
2549[18:03:17] <jelly> grep says buster-backports ought to work
as well
2576[18:13:39] <finn0> ratrace: I wonder this because I've
installed some firmware from non-free repository and I'm going
to upgrade my system to Buster so, Is it good idea to add
"non-free" keyword with main & contrib in Buster
repository? Otherwise, I've find all non-free packages and
uninstall and later, re-install it.
2584[18:16:46] <eb0t> how do you restart the network on debian..i
have minimal install but just altered /etc/interfaced.d and
/etc/interfaces
2585[18:16:58] <finn0> I think adding non-free keyword
shouldn't create problems because ultimately I replace them
with newer version with its all of dependencies.
2586[18:17:03] <eb0t> i tried systemctl restart
NetworkManager.service
2587[18:17:06] <jelly> eb0t: ifdown -a; ifup -a
2588[18:17:06] <eb0t> and it does nothing
2589[18:17:13] <eb0t> ah ok thanks
2590[18:17:29] <finn0> ratrace: okay, thanks.
2591[18:18:13] <jelly> eb0t: this can make the machine
unavailable if you're logged in remotely and something goes
wrong!
2642[18:32:17] <jelly> ifdown is picky and it often can't
down an interface if you changed the config file and and it does not
have the same config as it was at ifup/boot time.
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2644[18:32:36] <jelly> eb0t: if it's possible to reboot, you
can just reboot
2645[18:32:48] <eb0t> yes i rebooted and it worked
2646[18:32:58] <eb0t> but still doesnt explain why it failed from
if up and ifdown
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2648[18:33:29] <jelly> that will be hard to say without seeing
actual output, of both commands
2649[18:34:18] <eb0t> yes its a bit tricky as its on a different
machine
2717[19:01:46] <greycat> because it's a Debian question, not
a java question. As a human you run "crontab -e" and this
runs your editor, and you make the changes and save it. Or as a
program, you run "crontab -l > tempfile", then modify
the temp file however you see fit, then "crontab tempfile"
to apply it.
2719[19:02:51] <jak2000> my idea is: run crontab -l command, put
the output to a txt file and load it on my JSP at here no problem,
but.... if i modify something, how to return this modified line to
linux system?
2720[19:03:07] <greycat> I literally just said how.
2721[19:03:17] <greycat> well, typed. typed how.
2722[19:03:27] <jak2000> how to return the modified line?
2763[19:23:53] <jelly> screen and tmux are not terminal emulators
at all, they're tools to enable persisting a terminal session
2764[19:23:55] <ksk> jak2000: for example. if you java programm
would be installed via a debian package, I suppose the most sane
approach would then be putting that cron into place via debian
packagaging mechanisms - and not make your app do that
2765[19:24:09] *** iulian is now known as Guest26968
2766[19:24:31] <ksk> that is totally true of course. that
response was however triggerd by him mentioning
"terminator" ;)
2767[19:24:33] <jelly> netcrash: rxvt-unicode is reasonably light
2768[19:24:41] <greycat> If one were writing a *package* that
wanted to *add* a new cron job, one would drop a file in
/etc/cron.d/ rather than asking #debian how to edit root's
****USER**** crontab from a program. Duh.
2796[19:37:41] <jak2000> generating ssh keys: client: 1)
ssh-keygen 2) ssh-copy-id jak@192.168.105.66 3) ssh
jak@192.168.105.66 in server restarthed ssh service: sudo systemctl
restart ssh Test and again again again ask me password why arghhh
2802[19:39:20] <netcrash> jak2000: no need to restart the ssh in
the server also it's only needed to place authorized_keys in
.ssh directory of the user
2806[19:40:34] <jelly> jak2000: verify existence, ownership and
permissions of ~, ~/.ssh and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server.
Verify AuthorizedKeysFile and related options in
/etc/ssh/sshd_config are not modified
2817[19:42:58] <mutante> jak2000: you can check /var/log/auth.log
on the server to see if the error is "failed public key"
or it's not even trying or other
2818[19:43:01] <jak2000> no id_rsa.pub
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2821[19:44:13] <jak2000> server: Accepted publickey for jak from
192.168.105.70 port 36780 ssh2: RSA
SHA256:1kivqyQwJGKYGiNdHAGk4Nlfertdxmqu/PyVHME7854
2822[19:44:23] <mutante> jak2000: that looks like it works :)
2823[19:44:31] <mutante> Accepted publickey for jak. New session
329 of user jak.
2824[19:44:38] <mutante> so done? :)
2825[19:44:42] <jak2000> but in client: ask me the password:
2860[19:49:04] <jelly> 2) is REMOVE the passphrase from the key
2861[19:49:13] <greycat> In order for the ssh-agent to be
actually useful, it needs to be started in a very specialized way
during your login, or during your X session start-up.
2868[19:50:29] <jak2000> mutante: ssh-add is on client side
right?
2869[19:50:39] <jelly> jak2000: if this is the first time you
created the key and the first time you use it, you can just make a
new key pair and if you just press ENTER when ssh-keygen asks for a
passphrase, there won't be any
2880[19:51:40] <martian67> in /etc/network/interfaces how can i
specify "first ethernet device" whatever that might mean
2881[19:51:44] <mutante> jak2000: it's to open a key once
and keep it loaded in the background for some time. so you avoid
having to type the passphrase again and again. but see the comment
from greycat above
2882[19:51:51] <jak2000> jelly (if not work with password follow
you)
2920[19:55:56] <jak2000> mutante: but need start ssh-agent when
server start, not at login right?
2921[19:55:58] <jak2000> googling
2922[19:56:00] <jelly> !dpni
2923[19:56:01] <dpkg> To disable Predictable Network Interface
naming and revert back to the old interface naming, run "ln -s
/dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link" as root
(without quotes). Creating this symbolic link prevents systemd from
being able to change interface names. You will need to unplug/replug
your device or reboot/reload module. Alternatively add net.ifnames=0
to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub and
reboot.
2924[19:56:20] <mutante> jak2000: yea, see stackoverflow. there
are some examples like making a systemd unit file is another option
2925[19:56:24] <jak2000> i think if restart client, i cant
connect ... with the keys right?
2926[19:56:35] <jak2000> or is possible add the key manually to a
file?
2927[19:56:57] <greycat> I haven't studied the *.link
options in depth to know whether it's possible to wildcard
*everything* about the interface.
2928[19:57:27] <mutante> jak2000: the key files can be in any
file as long as you also write an .ssh/config that tells it where to
find keys for which hosts. or you use -f on commandline to specify
path to it
2929[19:57:30] <greycat> this sounds superficially (because we
have no idea what you're actually doing, because you refuse to
tell us) like the kind of problem where net.ifnames=0 is the desired
solution
2930[19:57:49] <mutante> jak2000: it's just looking by
default in the default places
2931[19:58:38] <jak2000> ok then ssh-agent is the way
2932[19:58:57] <jak2000> after run ssh-agent need reADD? ssh-add
or not (1 time is sufficient)?
2933[19:59:25] <jelly> martian67: but honestly, you should fix
your installation procedure to avoid relying on "eth0".
It's not that hard to use an in-target command in preseed
2934[20:00:22] <jelly> jak2000: you use ssh-add once after
logging in to the client, and then it's there until you log out
from the client
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2971[20:17:40] <karlpinc> Eightynine: Run them from a terminal
and see if they generate output when the fail. Run the debug version
and analyze the core dump. ...
2983[20:23:03] <Eightynine> There's "[18951.781528]
Chrome_IOThread[8104]: segfault at 0 ip 000055adb36c0955 sp
00007f263effcfb0 error 4 in brave[55adb03c6000+7326000]" in
dmesg.
2984[20:24:19] <SerajewelKS> either that's a bug in the
browser or it's exposing a hardware issue (bad RAM/CPU for
example)
2985[20:24:30] <SerajewelKS> most likely a browser bug unless
everything on your system is crashy
2986[20:24:41] <humbot> it's cursed
2987[20:24:45] <greycat> they said multiple things were
"unstable"
2993[20:26:09] <Eightynine> And what about this? "[
2276.608557] gnome-logs[3190]: segfault at 17fffffff8 ip
00005654a3159b4f sp 00007fffd6ea9040 error 4 in
gnome-logs[5654a3150000+e000]"
2995[20:26:33] <SerajewelKS> Eightynine: uhh yeah i would shut
the system down and run a memory test on it (memtest86)
2996[20:26:33] <greycat> hardware issue sounds pretty probable,
given the number of different programs you're having trouble
with
2997[20:26:58] <SerajewelKS> it's likely that damage has
already made its way into files on the disk
2998[20:27:40] <SerajewelKS> bad RAM is the most likely problem.
after you fix the bad RAM you should restore a known-good backup
from before things started crashing.
2999[20:28:24] <SerajewelKS> memtest will help you isolate which
module (if any) are bad
3002[20:29:02] <SerajewelKS> if memtest comes back clean then
it'd be time to stress test your CPU and also run disk
diagnostics because a failing HDD could also cause these kinds of
problems
3005[20:29:36] <Eightynine> That's strange, Brave crashed
once when switching tabs and then stopped crashing after I restarted
the browser. I'll check other software.
3006[20:30:02] <SerajewelKS> that's the nature of hardware
issues. if it's bad RAM you'll only have problems when the
defective regions are being used.
3007[20:30:34] <SerajewelKS> you need to immediately shut down
the system and run memtest from CD/USB
3008[20:31:04] <Eightynine> greycat, I remember you helped me
before, can you please help me with Firefox? Why is it working slow
and locks first tab when opening other tabs? Do you still think
it's hardware issue?
3011[20:31:43] <SerajewelKS> yes it's a hardware issue
3012[20:31:48] <SerajewelKS> gnome-logger is segfaulting as well
3013[20:32:00] <SerajewelKS> why is the system still powered on?
3014[20:32:07] <Eightynine> SerajewelKS, I remember I tested my
RAM one day, it was good. Maybe I should test it again? I don't
remember when I did that previously.
3015[20:33:03] <Eightynine> SerajewelKS, I didn't turn it of
because I want to gather information before running necessary tests.
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3041[20:37:35] <SerajewelKS> you can install it and it will be
added to grub _but_ if the system has bad memory then you could
corrupt the memtest image
3042[20:37:58] <SerajewelKS> the safest thing to do is shut the
system down and burn a CD of memtest / write a USB disk with the
memtest image from a _different_ computer
3060[20:40:48] <SerajewelKS> i have a memtest CD from ages ago, i
still use it (all my systems have optical drives though)
3061[20:41:21] <jelly> at least it's not a memtest86 floppy
3062[20:41:29] <SerajewelKS> i prefer CDs for diagnostic/rescue
images because i have a guarantee that the system can't write
to it and corrupt the image if the hardware is indeed bad
3063[20:41:46] <SerajewelKS> i still haven't found a USB
flash drive with a hardware-enforced read-only switch
3064[20:42:24] <jelly> akamai have a really nice stick
3065[20:42:47] <jelly> boot it once, and there's a VFAT you
write an .iso image to
3066[20:42:47] <Eightynine> I noticed a few days ago my PSU
started to make more noise (it's not loud though, it just makes
more noise than before). Same software, same tasks. My PC
doesn't take much resources, it's not hot in the room.
3144[21:24:05] <janneke> SerajewelKS: yes, thanks...but i'm
pretty certain that to build make, you need gcc, glibc, /bin/sh
(dash or bash) and coreutils, possibly perl...
3145[21:24:06] <SerajewelKS> very bad naming choice for
apt-rdepends to reuse a term to mean something different
3146[21:24:20] <janneke> yeah
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3148[21:24:31] <SerajewelKS> janneke: the build-depends lists
packages that you need to build it. those packages can themselves
depend on things.
3151[21:25:21] <janneke> SerajewelKS: ah, that makes sense...so i
need to recurse
3152[21:25:57] <SerajewelKS> yes. but it's probably not
going to be very useful output because it's going to drill all
the way down to stuff every system will have like libc
3153[21:26:31] <SerajewelKS> sounds like an xy problem
3160[21:28:17] <KOLANICH> annadane: it seems that deb packages
are obsolete: theynuse shell scripts for hooks. And incompatible -
they store file tree and encode the info into paths in it rather
than encode it to metadata. And, according to Michael Stapelberg,
slow. I feel like we need to change the way packages are managed in
debian.
3175[21:35:26] <ksk> and while systemd might have shown us that
we do not need turing-completness ( shell scripts ) to manage
services, I doubt that can be said about things happending in
packages hooks.
3176[21:35:44] <ksk> but debian is an open source project after
all - if you have a neat replacement I am sure you can bring up the
topic ;)
3184[21:39:31] <finn0> Running "sudo apt update"
I'm getting this error "E: Problem executing scripts
APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success...". This happens after
commenting all respository and adding "deb
replaced-url
3185[21:39:42] *** blivande_ is now known as bliv
3186[21:40:01] <finn0> *after
3187[21:40:19] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: You might want to clean
the cooling track with compressed air.
3189[21:40:32] <greycat> ... plainh. that was it. not hplain.
3190[21:41:20] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: How did you install
your current Telegram?
3191[21:41:27] <KOLANICH> ksk: I completely aggree that
Turing-completeness should be elininated from hooks. We need a
modular package manager. My concepcion is described here:
replaced-url
3192[21:41:51] <greycat> I don't have an
"appstreamcli" and don't know why it's important
here...
3199[21:45:59] <hesco> for iptables questions, was it #netfilter
I am looking for? Been a while since I was there, and I have never
figured out how to close a tab in weechat when I open a new empty
room, so hate to get it wrong.
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3208[21:47:54] <hesco> greycat: neither query answers for me in
this irc client. command remains in my command line history, but it
returned no response.
3209[21:48:17] <greycat> Try "/quote list #netfilter"
maybe?
3211[21:48:35] <Eightynine> jhutchins_wk, I added flatpak support
and then installed Telegram using terminal.
3212[21:48:39] <greycat> or maybe you're getting the
responses in some special sandbox place that you're not
currently looking at? I have no idea how other clients work.
3213[21:49:33] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: There you go. The
debian package manager has no idea that you have the new one.
3214[21:49:43] <finn0> seems like gnome requires it.
3215[21:49:53] <hesco> fair enough. will go search for new tabs
then. no, no new tabs. will takes me chances, then.
3216[21:50:05] <Eightynine> I checked KSystemlog, it doesn't
crash, it just shows error message that I have no rights to read
logs. I think it's not a problem with my PC, it's just
some parts of Gnome are working bad.
3217[21:50:06] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: If you install using
methods other than dpkg/apt, you have to maintain and update the
sofware yourself.
3218[21:50:47] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: iirc there's a way
to put a "fake" entry in the database that tells apt that
you updated it, or you can just pin it at whatever version it thinks
you have now.
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3224[21:51:48] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: That's because
Gnome (apt) isn't checking the actual version, it's
checking it's database of installed packages.
3225[21:52:09] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: flatpak didn't
update the database.
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3227[21:52:37] <subcool> Did i do something by accident? Ive now
tried to follow 3 guides, that require me to add a resouce from
ubuntu, (spotify, gns3... and something else) But every time i
follow the guide, i dl the keys, but when it do APt update - the
sources file is bad. what am i missing
3229[21:52:55] <subcool> The repository 'replaced-url
3230[21:52:55] <subcool> N: Data from such a repository
can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous
to use
3231[21:53:02] <finn0> greycat: I've plenty of free space.
"sudo apt -o APT::Get::Trivial-Only=true full-upgrade"
shows full-upgrade requires around 4GiB space and I've around
8GiB free space in /var. Probably, above command will inform me if
my disk is/will full after full-upgrade.
3245[22:00:16] <ALowther> Is a keyring different than a key? I am
trying to better understand the `apt-key` command, which recommends
adding a keyring directly into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ rather than
using `apt-key add.` Most of these, I believe, are a single key in
OpenPGP format. Are those all keyrings, despite being only a single
key or are they two different concepts?
3252[22:02:04] <paw> Packaging question: I'm trying to make
a package A depend on package B but B doesn't have to be
installed (a soft dependency) - I think there's the control
fields Suggests/Enhances? I want to make sure that package A gets
configured after B happens. How do I do this?
3253[22:02:12] <jhutchins_wk> subcool: What is your actual
install target?
3254[22:03:15] <jhutchins_wk> paw: What if they _don't_
install B?
3255[22:03:36] <ALowther> lupine: Thank you—it seems that
all of the shipped keys are keyrings with a size of 1?
3257[22:04:35] <paw> jhutchins_wk: then A just proceeds. Biggest
requirement is that if B is to be installed, it needs to happen
after A. Is this possible?
3281[22:16:23] <rue> if I have an upgrade come to a grinding halt
beause apt says the kernel needs to be upgraded so that it can do
the libc upgrade.. what does a person do?
3282[22:16:33] <rue> its stuck it wont allow me to upgrade the
kernel
3283[22:16:43] <rue> cause its got libc stuck in its throat
3284[22:16:45] <greycat> Are you on a VPS where you don't
actually control the kernel?
3285[22:16:51] <rue> no
3286[22:16:54] <rue> its a real computer
3287[22:17:05] <greycat> Then what's the story? What kernel
are you running, and why can't you update it?
3298[22:19:02] <greycat> So, what is the story behind this
kernel, which is *WAY* too old?
3299[22:19:11] <somiaj> buster cannot run on a 2.6.32 kenel, you
will have to stick to stretch if on a vps that uses that shared
kernel.
3300[22:19:35] <rue> well I would upgrade it if I could, but with
libc not installed it wont let me install anything
3301[22:19:52] <rue> question being, where does I go from here :)
3302[22:19:53] <greycat> You're NOT TELLING US .. is this on
purpose? Should we stop asking?
3303[22:20:05] <rue> no I want it all upgraded
3304[22:20:16] <somiaj> rue: In this vps, do you have control of
the kernel, or do you have to use the 2.6.32 kernel shared with the
host? This depends on your vps provider.
3305[22:20:17] <rue> I'll fix things later
3306[22:20:25] <greycat> Did you attempt to jump straight from
Debian 6 to Debian 10 in a single operation?
3307[22:20:27] <somiaj> rue: also are you upgrading from stretch?
3327[22:24:18] <rue> ksk there is no particular reason I'm
running 2.6 but it wont let me upgrade it
3328[22:24:30] <somiaj> get on a live system with a modern
kernel, chroot into your system, finish the upgrade on a kernel that
works with the new libc, then install a correct kernel
3345[22:28:10] <greycat> Starting with glibc 2.26, Linux kernel
3.2 or later is required. To avoid completely breaking the system,
the preinst for libc6 performs a check. If this fails, it will abort
the package installation, which will leave the upgrade unfinished.
If the system is running a kernel older than 3.2, please update it
before starting the distribution upgrade.
3376[22:42:38] <matu> the first one on the homepage
3377[22:43:07] <matu> i have a cervical hernia but i can't
stop using linux obviously ^^
3378[22:43:22] <matu> (it is getting better don't worry ^^)
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3380[22:44:34] <matu> i guess it should be seen as a standard usb
mouse, the last problems reported about Linux and this kind of
device seems to be 15 years old
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3390[22:51:19] <matu> the company was unable to give me the name
of a linux distro that would would with it, they just told me there
was a "hid mode" available
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3400[22:55:44] <jamsa> deb cdrom:<path> doesn't
find/read CD image USB sticks
3401[22:56:07] <GenTooMan> ok little frustrated ... debian
svnkit-java is 7 reversions behind and is incompatible with
subversion distributed with debian (it's one db version behind
it).
3490[23:52:43] <bernyrd> matu: it is probably supported. if they
said it is HID it is definitely supported, at least for basic mouse
things. custom driver wnet out of style
3491[23:52:54] <bernyrd> and on Linux, is easier to make drivers
now, can do them in userspace