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• 39[00:17:16] <Arianna> I need the full DVD set of wheezy via BitTorrent. Are debian-update-7.11.0-amd64-DVD-?.iso stand-alone DVDs or do I need debian-7.11.0-amd64-DVD-?.iso also?
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• 41[00:18:48] <missmbob> Arianna: replaced-url
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• 49[00:22:52] <`Kevin> question is are you looking at updates only or the full install isos .. which do you need?
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• 72[00:32:01] <nixfox> Hello fellow debian users, I have a bit of an issue with a half installed package
• 73[00:32:05] <nixfox> namely php-pear
• 74[00:32:34] <nixfox> I tried running apt-get purge php-pear and apt-get autoremove but everytime it fails due to a half instaled package
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• 77[00:32:46] <nixfox> Any clue how to get rid of this annoying problem
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• 84[00:33:55] <nixfox> also tried dpkg-configure -a
• 85[00:33:58] <nixfox> same result
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• 88[00:34:20] <nixfox> reconfigure*
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• 95[00:39:14] <pneumatik> you guys are awesome
• 96[00:39:37] <pneumatik> i was gonna install a xen setup on an old box of mine
• 97[00:39:45] <pneumatik> i tried a whole bunch of OSes/distros
• 98[00:39:48] <pneumatik> netbsd? didn't work
• 99[00:39:53] <pneumatik> alpine linux? didn't work
• 100[00:40:12] <pneumatik> citrix xenserver? didn't even get past the keyboard layout screen
• 101[00:40:21] <pneumatik> debian? works
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• 103[00:42:33] <andril> debian works for a n00b liek me
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• 117[00:49:55] <stew> nixfox: can you install the half installed package?
• 118[00:50:03] <nixfox> I force removed it
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• 120[00:50:09] <nixfox> and no stew I could not
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• 122[00:50:39] <stew> so its no longer half-installed?
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• 124[00:51:48] <nixfox> indeed it is not
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• 136[00:58:47] <nixfox> @stew now the issue is with fuse
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• 142[01:04:37] <steven_is_false> Hello. I get the error grep: /boot/config-3.16.0-31-generic: No such file or directory but that is an old kernel that is not installed anymore. Is there some config file it is still stuck in?
• 143[01:04:37] <steven_is_false>
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• 147[01:04:50] <steven_is_false> ^When updating the initramfs
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• 155[01:08:28] <blawiz> my comp froze and ruined my sound .. so started (apt-get) upgrading (using stretch btw) ... now instead of xdm i get a black screen, i can log in (in the blid) but then i get an openbox where shortcuts doesnt work, i can open the right-click-menu but non of the menu-items works :S
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• 157[01:08:51] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 158[01:08:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 168[01:12:43] <blawiz> ok ill try there, but often quite quiet :/
• 169[01:12:49] <capum321> hello, I am on live debian lxde, and how could I set keyboard layout for my local keyboard
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• 178[01:16:16] <c-c> capum321: set your localce
• 179[01:16:20] <c-c> *locale
• 180[01:16:33] <capum321> how
• 181[01:17:17] <c-c> replaced-url
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• 184[01:18:50] <c-c> capum321: sorry, I am confused
• 185[01:19:06] <c-c> capum321: for keyboard layout, I hope this helps replaced-url
• 186[01:19:06] <capum321> why
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• 197[01:24:35] <capum321> where i get the available country code for keyboard layout?
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• 201[01:25:54] <c-c> capum321: see if you have fbxkb
• 202[01:26:24] <capum321> just type it on term?
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• 204[01:26:31] <c-c> qyes
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• 206[01:26:42] <capum321> then don't
• 207[01:27:03] <c-c> capum321: try $ sudo apt-get install fbxkb
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• 209[01:27:25] <c-c> then run it, and look in the systray
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• 211[01:27:40] <capum321> isn`t a way I could do this without installing anything, i am just trying to fast type some codes on shell thats all
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• 213[01:27:59] <jaggz> oops.. I am going from jessie to stretch.. but I left some wheezy src lines (I don't recall what I needed from there some time ago), and I just noticed a package in the dist upgrade: Get:3542 replaced-url
• 214[01:28:24] <jaggz> those should be okay right?
• 215[01:28:31] <c-c> jaggz: so, clean the sources.list, update and upgrade ?
• 216[01:28:39] <jaggz> I ee a bunch of them
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• 218[01:28:50] <jaggz> see
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• 220[01:29:14] <jaggz> c-c, yeah.. guess I should look at what I was using from wheezy, deliberately, to make sure :)
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• 222[01:29:28] <missmbob> !tell jaggz -about debian-next
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• 230[01:32:11] <TomTomTosch> it's a bot that is telling you the right channel for your question.
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• 232[01:33:55] <jaggz> TomTomTosch, thanks.. I was joking :)
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• 237[01:36:05] <pingfloyd> you may need to dist-upgrade if they end up conflicting and need to remove those wheezy packages
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• 244[01:38:31] <capum321> c-c this worked for me $setxkbmap -model abnt2 -layout br
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• 247[01:39:21] <capum321> etc default keyboard didn't change though
• 248[01:39:39] <capum321> how to make permanent?
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• 250[01:40:18] <pneumatik> hey, i'm trying to download replaced-url
• 251[01:40:42] <pneumatik> and it says "package was referred to by another source but isn't available"
• 252[01:40:51] <pneumatik> did i not add a repo? what do?
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• 259[01:42:23] <pneumatik> i did apt update and apt upgrade
• 260[01:42:26] <pneumatik> btw
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• 263[01:43:50] <capum321> could you download the deb package at least?
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• 268[01:45:31] <pneumatik> capum321: like from the website?
• 269[01:45:41] <pneumatik> it's a meta package i'm pretty sure
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• 272[01:46:36] <capum321> what does it means "meta" package?
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• 274[01:47:04] <pneumatik> like you know
• 275[01:47:19] <pneumatik> it doesn't actually have any software it just installs a whole group of other packages
• 276[01:47:33] <x86iac> meta = cosmic
• 277[01:47:39] <capum321> it's that what you want though?
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• 279[01:47:50] <pneumatik> yea
• 280[01:48:03] <pneumatik> i want to get it installed but i think i'm missing a repo or something
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• 282[01:48:06] <capum321> so get the deb at this site and run wtih dpkg
• 283[01:48:09] <x86iac> pneumatik: what makes you think capum321 is clueless?
• 284[01:48:34] <pneumatik> wat
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• 286[01:48:56] <x86iac> you gotta have faith in him ... i do
• 287[01:49:06] <capum321> aleluia
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• 289[01:51:10] <x86iac> sorrection ... just not in his spelling abilities ;)
• 290[01:51:24] <ccrhy> OK, I'm going nuts. I've been trying for the last hour+ to install grub on a new giant raid array, or alternatively onto a USB flash drive.
• 291[01:51:41] <ccrhy> Every time, it says "Installing 50%" then "Fatal error"
• 292[01:51:55] <x86iac> grub itself or to get it to boot your system?
• 293[01:52:09] <ccrhy> grub itself during the Debian 8.5 install.
• 294[01:52:19] <x86iac> do you have room?
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• 296[01:52:42] <ccrhy> 10 tb. Yes.
• 297[01:52:52] <ccrhy> Not including the 8gb flash drive, etc.
• 298[01:52:53] <x86iac> is that a lot? ;)
• 299[01:53:08] <ccrhy> Probably enough for grub. LOL
• 300[01:53:22] <x86iac> do you have to disable something in bios that prevents writing to boot sector? or something
• 301[01:53:38] <ccrhy> I don't think so.
• 302[01:53:50] <ccrhy> I'm booting from the USB install stick anyway.
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• 307[01:54:29] <x86iac> always at 50% ... not 50.001 or 49.8888 ?
• 308[01:54:44] <x86iac> captain0: <---- traitor
• 309[01:56:18] <capum321> x86iac really? 50.001 or 49.8888? why don't you say some more conclusive
• 310[01:56:32] <capum321> :D
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• 314[01:56:56] <capum321> ccrhy: are you picking the correct sda dev?
• 315[01:57:15] <ccrhy> I've tried several variations.
• 316[01:57:28] <capum321> dev/sda or /dev/sdb
• 317[01:57:37] <capum321> \/dev/sda or /dev/sdb
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• 319[01:57:50] <pneumatik> capum321: i could download the .deb file from the servers no problem, with wget
• 320[01:58:02] <capum321> pneumatik great!
• 321[01:58:03] <ccrhy> /dev/sdl /dev/md0 /dev/md0p2 ....
• 322[01:58:19] <ccrhy> fdisk -l shows me some stuff, as does the partition menu,
• 323[01:58:38] <ccrhy> I need to set the partition to bootable, and /boot mount point, yeah?
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• 325[01:58:52] <ccrhy> But no matter what I do, it fails to install grub. :/
• 326[01:58:54] <pneumatik> should i install? or will that not solve the repo problem
• 327[01:59:01] <x86iac> you don't want /boot as a mount point it should be in /
• 328[01:59:34] <pneumatik> okay, capum321 when i try to install the xen package with dpkg it says there are dependency problems
• 329[01:59:35] <ccrhy> Ah.
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• 331[01:59:48] <ccrhy> Just in regular / ? That's my giant raid array.
• 332[01:59:49] <ccrhy> md0
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• 334[02:00:03] <ccrhy> Or, /dev/md0p2 according to console in F2.
• 335[02:00:04] <capum321> there is a switch, install recommends or something take a look
• 336[02:00:07] <x86iac> yes it has to be available before anything is mounted
• 337[02:00:29] <ccrhy> What do you mean?
• 338[02:00:31] <ccrhy> Sorry!
• 339[02:00:32] <x86iac> like the stuffssss in /bin
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• 341[02:00:52] * ccrhy looks in /bin
• 342[02:01:04] <capum321> pneumatik: there's a swith, install recommends ....
• 343[02:01:05] <x86iac> i mean ... don't make a partition for /boot it should be /boot ;)
• 344[02:01:25] <capum321> pneumatik: search to see if that helps...
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• 346[02:01:40] <ccrhy> df -h only shows me the cdrom and /run and /dev
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• 348[02:02:02] <ccrhy> fdisk -l shows me all the separate drives and the array though.
• 349[02:02:08] <x86iac> ccrhy: what does ls / show
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• 352[02:02:13] <pneumatik> capum321: that didn't do anything
• 353[02:02:26] <ccrhy> bin dev init, lots of the usual stuff.
• 354[02:02:29] <pneumatik> i typed "apt list" and the package that i wanted showed up on the list
• 355[02:02:34] <capum321> how many dependencies are ther?
• 356[02:02:48] <x86iac> no /boot
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• 358[02:03:38] <pneumatik> lots
• 359[02:03:39] <ccrhy> No. Did not see a /boot.
• 360[02:03:46] <capum321> pneumatik: sorry what's your issue anyway? why are you trying to get this deb package?
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• 362[02:04:00] <pneumatik> capum321: i want to configure debian as a xen dom0
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• 364[02:04:12] <capum321> what is that?
• 365[02:04:15] <pneumatik> i'm following the official guide
• 366[02:04:22] <pneumatik> it's a virtualization thing
• 367[02:04:26] <pneumatik> like hyper-v but for linux
• 368[02:04:42] <capum321> licke docker?
• 369[02:04:42] <ccrhy> Have you used ProxMox? It's pretty sweet/easy/efficient
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• 371[02:04:46] <capum321> like*
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• 373[02:05:00] <ccrhy> But LXC seems like the future, so....
• 374[02:05:15] <pneumatik> docker just runs the environment in a chroot type thing, im pretty sure
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• 376[02:05:40] <pneumatik> xen is more like virtualbox except it runs on the bare metal
• 377[02:05:50] <pneumatik> instead of as a process
• 378[02:05:51] <ccrhy> So how do I tell grub where to install? And should I install it on the RAID array, or on the USB flash drive?
• 379[02:06:04] <capum321> it's meant to run the process "contained" not the environment, but you can run a full OS too
• 380[02:06:26] <capum321> ok
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• 385[02:08:38] <pneumatik> just as a test i typed "sudo apt install firefox"
• 386[02:08:48] <pneumatik> and it says "package not fount but other packages refer to it"
• 387[02:08:55] <pneumatik> so if firefox is not found, something is really wrong
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• 389[02:09:04] <ccrhy> Huh... Now it suggested /dev/mapper. But that crashed the same way. "executing grub-install /dev/mapper failed. This is a fatal error
• 390[02:09:14] <capum321> you messed up package amanger really bad
• 391[02:09:21] <pneumatik> yup :(
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• 393[02:10:09] <capum321> I don't know how to get it back on it's legs... i am on my third linux installation because of that
• 394[02:10:14] <ccrhy> This is a bare metal install, nothing fancy (other than software RAID).
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• 396[02:10:30] <capum321> :3
• 397[02:10:55] <pneumatik> thanks anyway
• 398[02:10:58] <capum321> it does resolve if you always use synaptic
• 399[02:11:16] <pneumatik> well i don't have X11 on this system
• 400[02:11:21] <capum321> oh
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• 402[02:11:53] <capum321> search for some related keywords.. it must have something
• 403[02:12:13] <capum321> "repair package manager debian shell"
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• 405[02:12:50] <capum321> apt*
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• 408[02:13:29] <capum321> use google, unfortunately it's the outstand from the rest
• 409[02:14:07] <x86iac> pneumatik: and why not?
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• 411[02:15:21] <x86iac> nmap shows you are and running it as tcp
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• 414[02:16:02] <x86iac> at least use -nolisten tcp
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• 417[02:16:58] <pneumatik> x86iac: what do you mean?
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• 420[02:17:31] <pneumatik> i'm not x on the debian system cause it's gonna be a web server
• 421[02:17:56] <f91w> Why would installing veracrypt via veracrypt's gui-x64 binary installer freeze my whole xsession if launched from a gnome-terminal launched via dbus-launch, but if installed from a cinnamon-gui launched gnome-terminal it closes with 'error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: The connection is closed"?
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• 425[02:18:41] <capum321> LXC is a program like docker or is it some form of "methodology/implementation/or else?" ?
• 426[02:19:11] <stoned> docker runs over lxc implementation
• 427[02:19:12] <stoned> iirc
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• 429[02:19:27] <ccrhy> It's similar to docker.... but different.
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• 431[02:19:39] <f91w> Pretty sure LXC and Docker are distinct. LXC is between Docker and KVM.
• 432[02:19:49] <f91w> But why don't we go to the project websites and find out? They have their FAQs like everyone else.
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• 434[02:20:00] <capum321> so I should also get a interface for LXC ?
• 435[02:20:04] <stoned> docker is a just a container that utilizes the linux container system
• 436[02:20:08] <stoned> I think
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• 439[02:20:36] <stoned> You can use either. Or you can use both, see whichever works better for you
• 440[02:20:36] <capum321> it works straight from the shell, then?
• 441[02:20:41] <stoned> A lot of people like docker.
• 442[02:20:56] <stoned> yes
• 443[02:21:35] <stoned> capum321, but what are you trying to do ultimately?
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• 445[02:22:27] <capum321> just knowing
• 446[02:23:16] <ccrhy> How do I get a listing of all the RAID partitions?
• 447[02:23:21] <ccrhy> Like md0 md1 md2...
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• 455[02:25:15] <capum321> fdisk -l
• 456[02:25:19] <capum321> maybe
• 457[02:25:21] <ccrhy> cat /proc/mdstat shows me resync = 6.9%
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• 459[02:25:32] <x86iac> stoned: is the linux container system in metric or english measurements?
• 460[02:25:32] <ccrhy> fdisk -l gives me too much data. LOL
• 461[02:25:45] <ccrhy> megabytes are metric.
• 462[02:25:59] <capum321> you are on shell?
• 463[02:26:06] <x86iac> binary not metric
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• 465[02:26:34] <capum321> i forgot, let me scroll up
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• 467[02:27:02] <themill> (actually, mebi is binary, mega is decimal)
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• 470[02:28:17] <x86iac> what about debibites? *girlfriends name is debi*
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• 473[02:28:47] <x86iac> ccrhy: postbin the fdisk -l
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• 475[02:29:33] <ccrhy> x86iac: Good idea.
• 476[02:29:36] <x86iac> ccrhy: we gots to get you fixed and outta here in 10 mins ;)
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• 480[02:29:59] <ccrhy> ifconfig doesn't work.
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• 482[02:30:13] <ccrhy> So I don't know my IP, so I can't ssh in.
• 483[02:30:20] <missmbob> ccrhy: use the full path. /sbin/ifconfig
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• 485[02:30:37] <ccrhy> not found
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• 487[02:31:04] <x86iac> if you can't ssh in ... how do you expect to run ifconfig? circular logic/reference noted
• 488[02:31:17] <ccrhy> I'm in the console of the installer.
• 489[02:31:32] <ccrhy> But I can't pastebin from the installer, so I need to ssh in from this machine.
• 490[02:31:32] <capum321> you should fix the card then
• 491[02:32:00] <ccrhy> Or, maybe I can ssh from that console....
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• 493[02:32:14] <x86iac> you must be on the internet to be here ... so use THAT computer
• 494[02:32:29] <ccrhy> I'm on this one.
• 495[02:32:29] <x86iac> and you just said you can run fdisk -l ...
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• 497[02:32:42] <capum321> x86iac you can't stop to amaze me !
• 498[02:32:44] <ccrhy> But how can I get the text from fdisk -l to this machine?
• 499[02:32:54] <capum321> amuze* ?
• 500[02:32:59] <ccrhy> I can't manually type out all 3 pages... LOL
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• 502[02:33:05] <x86iac> ccrhy: amooze
• 503[02:33:25] <x86iac> 3 pages of fdisk -l ??? i does not believe you
• 504[02:33:35] <ccrhy> It's true.
• 505[02:33:46] <ccrhy> You'll see when I figure out the GD IP addy.
• 506[02:33:52] <ccrhy> Why is ifconfig not found?
• 507[02:34:12] <capum321> try iwconfig?
• 508[02:34:18] <x86iac> one of you 100 of paritions that has ifconfig on it isn't mounted?
• 509[02:34:38] <ccrhy> iwconfig not found.
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• 512[02:35:02] <ccrhy> I'm hung in the installer trying to install grub. I'm booted off the installer USB.
• 513[02:35:18] * x86iac goes back to reading ccrhy's internet file .. it is huge ;)
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• 517[02:35:50] <capum321> ccrhy: try $ip a
• 518[02:36:07] <ccrhy> YAY!
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• 522[02:36:34] <capum321> ifconfig is deprecated it seems to newer distros
• 523[02:36:43] <ccrhy> Connection refused...
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• 526[02:36:48] <ccrhy> Because ssh isn't up yet.
• 527[02:36:56] <ccrhy> *sigh*
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• 529[02:37:08] <x86iac> ccrhy: chroot and start it?
• 530[02:37:37] <ccrhy> service not found
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• 536[02:39:17] <ccrhy> /dev/sdc1 same crash.
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• 539[02:39:58] <capum321> not 1
• 540[02:40:41] <x86iac> capum321: your internet file has lots of interesting pics ... *nice looking*
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• 542[02:41:06] <ccrhy> /dev/sdc also same crash
• 543[02:41:21] <x86iac> crash?
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• 545[02:41:27] <ccrhy> and /sdb, and /sda, and /sdd, and /md0, and /md0p1, and /md0p2
• 546[02:41:54] <ccrhy> "grub-install /dev/sdx failed" This is a fatal error
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• 548[02:42:28] <ccrhy> I have a USB flash here I could partition in any way necessary to at least get grub on here, but that's not working either for the same reason.
• 549[02:42:40] <ccrhy> I think because I'm not partitioning it properly or something.
• 550[02:42:44] <ccrhy> What does grub need?
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• 558[02:44:45] <capum321> replaced-url
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• 561[02:45:57] <capum321> x86iac you found me?
• 562[02:47:10] <x86iac> webchat gave you up for $10
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• 564[02:47:53] <capum321> x86iac those bastards
• 565[02:48:14] <capum321> x86iac: they all are whores
• 566[02:49:02] <x86iac> we depend on that fact
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• 568[02:49:35] <capum321> now what are you going to ramsomware me?
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• 570[02:50:45] <x86iac> just gonna use you as the subject of my 3d printer project ...
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• 573[02:51:34] <x86iac> ***facial recognition sub-project***
• 574[02:51:43] <capum321> head for it mate!
• 575[02:52:03] <x86iac> is that an australian accent i hear?
• 576[02:52:18] <capum321> oh noes
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• 582[02:53:28] <capum321> ccrhy: are you live?
• 583[02:54:20] <x86iac> capum321: what do you make of his 3 pages of fdisk -l stuff on a just installed (almost) system
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• 585[02:55:03] <capum321> how he ran those commands if he didn't installed the os?
• 586[02:55:16] <x86iac> suspicious ..
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• 588[02:55:36] <capum321> i mean he should be on live usb
• 589[02:56:22] <x86iac> as soon as possible his cam will go live and we'll take a look
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• 591[02:56:33] <x86iac> opps
• 592[02:56:46] <x86iac> /msg capum321 as soon as possible his cam will go live and we'll take a look
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• 594[02:58:01] <x86iac> the audio sounds like he is at a macdonalds?
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• 596[02:58:24] <capum321> he's a maniac maniac oh noes
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• 600[02:59:29] <x86iac> an obsessive enthusiast ?
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• 605[03:00:32] <linux-fox> hi, all
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• 608[03:01:34] <x86iac> capum321: given that the equation group has a known pdf (font exploit) who would open a pdf with the title ... equation-group-answers-your-questions.pd
• 609[03:01:44] <x86iac> mr fox greetings
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• 614[03:06:55] <capum321> x86 you did?
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• 618[03:08:34] <x86iac> not yet - just with vi
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• 620[03:08:57] <heiligenschein> hello
• 621[03:09:02] <heiligenschein> i want to install the lwfinger/rtlwifi_new gib with following commands replaced-url
• 622[03:09:12] <x86iac> i have libreoffice and xpdf ... and the pdf exploit seems only to be on windows .. might be a good thing to do in a vm ?
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• 624[03:10:19] <x86iac> bin/sh: 1: gcc: not found
• 625[03:10:23] <x86iac> install gcc
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• 627[03:10:50] <heiligenschein> ok i will do that. do you think it will work afterwards?
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• 630[03:11:10] <missmbob> heiligenschein: better off doing apt-get install build-essentials
• 631[03:11:14] <x86iac> no - there are gonna be tons of other things you didn't install also ;)
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• 633[03:11:38] <x86iac> so do what missmbob says :)
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• 639[03:12:26] <zios> question ... any one kno how to g part a m.b.r
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• 643[03:13:29] <x86iac> before we talk about gparting your mbr .. can we talk about spaces and . ?
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• 646[03:14:30] <zios> x86iac, ?
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• 648[03:15:14] <x86iac> what do you want to do with gpart?
• 649[03:15:36] <x86iac> fix the mbr?
• 650[03:15:45] <zios> delete it
• 651[03:16:03] <x86iac> you can use dd
• 652[03:16:35] <x86iac> replaced-url
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• 654[03:17:09] <zios> ty
• 655[03:17:11] * x86iac won't ask why you want to delete it
• 656[03:17:17] <zios> sorry, thanks :)
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• 659[03:17:35] <jaggz> okay.. dist upgrade done.. I'm at testing
• 660[03:17:37] <zios> cause its corrupted
• 661[03:17:39] <jaggz> any last words before I reboot?
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• 664[03:17:55] <missmbob> jaggz: go to #debian-next on oftc (like i've already told you)
• 665[03:17:58] <x86iac> do you have a rescue/live cd handy?
• 666[03:18:01] <jaggz> oh sorry.. ugh.. wrong channel
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• 668[03:18:09] <jaggz> the other computer's in oftc
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• 675[03:23:27] <capum321> x86iac dude VM won't stop it from spreading in apparentely it's native to windows
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• 678[03:25:06] <x86iac> linux is too tough for them to hack ... but with selinux ... ;)
• 679[03:25:28] <capum321> x86iac: are you following some guide?
• 680[03:25:40] <x86iac> yea there was something about some vm malware i saw this morning too
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• 683[03:25:54] <x86iac> no guide just my own impulsiveness
• 684[03:26:42] <x86iac> do you use a vm? i'm compiling virtualbox from source ..
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• 687[03:28:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1666
• 688[03:28:22] <capum321> this might help replaced-url
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• 695[03:29:18] <x86iac> kernel level vm ... i'm suspectuous cause of selinux also being in the kernel :)
• 696[03:29:19] <capum321> i know sandboxie is meant to protect outboundaries spread
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• 699[03:30:40] <x86iac> my suspicions are also raised caused if they used their own selinux ... snowden wouldn't have gotten stuff - was he 'root' or something ;)
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• 701[03:31:25] <capum321> i bet they don't use windows for sure
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• 703[03:32:31] <x86iac> i'll bet they have the world's second largest windows setup
• 704[03:33:12] <x86iac> russian 3rd china 4th and n korea still on windows 95 lol
• 705[03:33:29] <capum321> what do you mean largest windows setup?
• 706[03:33:40] <x86iac> for testing against
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• 708[03:33:59] <x86iac> in many many stages of dissection
• 709[03:34:07] <capum321> don't get it...
• 710[03:34:57] <capum321> what are you talking about. they should code low level programming language, they do that on some linux too
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• 712[03:35:11] <capum321> windows is lame
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• 714[03:35:16] * cra1g321 points to #debian-offtopic
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• 717[03:35:30] <capum321> sorry
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• 720[03:36:10] <x86iac> /nick x86iac321
• 721[03:36:28] <cra1g321> not a mod so no need for sorry, just bit annoying when switching channel tabs and come to see its just offtopic talk
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• 723[03:37:36] <x86iac> cra1g321: that is indeed sad
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• 730[03:39:40] <un214> how do I edit my KDE color scheme?
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• 734[03:40:25] <cra1g321> un214, click kde menu then search for colors
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• 736[03:40:47] <un214> ah there we go
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• 738[03:41:00] <x86iac> cra1g321: if we weren't offtopic .. you'd not have come here in time to help un214 ;)
• 739[03:41:17] <un214> would you believe multiple google searches were useless
• 740[03:41:32] <x86iac> /msg un214 thanks bro - we needed to give cra1g321 a reason to ...
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• 745[03:43:22] <x86iac> cra1g321: you drove capum321 away :(
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• 768[04:01:40] <lolka> hi
• 769[04:01:53] <jaggz> how can I list packages that came from wheezy?
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• 771[04:02:03] <jaggz> that are currently installed
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• 774[04:02:47] <lolka> i've just extended my vmware vm disk size and it says i must repartition drive and extend filesystem from within guest system; how should i do this properly? never had to repartition drives inbefore, scared to fuck it all up
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• 776[04:03:14] <Wilfred> I really feel like Big Train should be better
• 777[04:03:29] <lolka> i know there is google and stuff, but "repartitioning" is somewhere near "fuck it up and lose your data"
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• 779[04:03:44] <lolka> so i came here for pro advice
• 780[04:04:12] * Wilfred thinks he prefers That Mitchell and Web Look
• 781[04:04:24] <Wilfred> ...wrong channel
• 782[04:04:58] <OerHeks> pro advise: if you don't have a backup of your data, it is not important.
• 783[04:05:09] <un214> @lolka: Use tar -c to back the whole thing up somewhere else; boot rescue media delete partition, create partition, mount partition; use tar -x to put it all back; reinstall bootloader
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• 785[04:06:33] <lolka> i already did backed it up
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• 790[04:09:33] <OerHeks> lolka, some basic idea replaced-url
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• 810[04:16:23] <lolka> damn complicated
• 811[04:16:38] <lolka> i have to move another partitions too
• 812[04:16:41] <lolka> thats not cool
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• 820[04:19:46] <jaggz> how do I tell which of the packages, in the *_Packages lists, are installed?
• 821[04:20:12] <jaggz> I'm looking at these old wheezy entries but it lists all the packages I think? even though they're not installed
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• 823[04:23:44] <lolka> jaggz, replaced-url
• 824[04:24:04] <jaggz> lolka, eh? no.. installed on my system
• 825[04:24:14] <lolka> what, browser?
• 826[04:24:48] <lolka> ah u want installed packages?
• 827[04:25:42] <lolka> apt-cache pkgnames
• 828[04:25:55] <lolka> -.-
• 829[04:26:00] <lolka> did it help?
• 830[04:26:06] <jaggz> but that doesn't show which ones come from wheezy
• 831[04:26:17] <jaggz> I can actually see them, it seems, in synaptic
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• 833[04:26:35] <jaggz> if I pick oldstable/main (or whatever), and sort by "Installed"
• 834[04:26:43] <jaggz> now.. to remove all the wheezy ones.. not sure how to do that
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• 836[04:27:11] <lolka> i think there is no way to do such sorting
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• 838[04:27:29] <lolka> as packages do not introduce from where they came from
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• 840[04:28:02] <lolka> how about just making fresh install of jessie ?:)
• 841[04:28:04] <jaggz> what's the terminology I'm looking for? like "wheezy" or "oldstable"
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• 843[04:28:18] <lolka> русский?
• 844[04:28:38] <lolka> nvm
• 845[04:29:59] <lolka> well i honestly dont know how to do what you want unless there is some installation log in which it said from where pkg came from and which you may grep for wheezy
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• 848[04:31:08] <jaggz> trying to figure out how to do an aptitude search with "and"
• 849[04:31:09] <TomTomTosch> jaggz: if you already removed wheezy from your sources you can try aptitude search ~o which lists packages that are no longer listed in a repo. if you still have wheezy in your sources, there is aptitude search syntax to look for that.
• 850[04:31:33] <jaggz> TomTomTosch, yeah.. reading aptitude doc on search terms.. replaced-url
• 851[04:31:38] <jaggz> not sure yet how to use it still :)
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• 853[04:32:46] <jaggz> looks like I can just space separate them for 'and'
• 854[04:32:58] <jaggz> now to figure out what specifies a specific release
• 855[04:33:09] <jaggz> so I can do "?installed wheezy"
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• 857[04:33:59] <TomTomTosch> you usually use the ?origin modifier. the origin can be taken from the release file of the repo you want to look for.
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• 859[04:34:41] <TomTomTosch> i think that only works with the repo still in your sources, though.
• 860[04:34:48] <jaggz> it's still in sources
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• 862[04:35:27] <jaggz> the Origin: for wheezy is just "Debian" though
• 863[04:36:28] <jaggz> aptitude search '?installed ?archive(oldstable)'
• 864[04:36:58] <jaggz> that shows me, for instance, "ant", which is installed, AND it's available in wheezy.. but the installed version is not from wheezy
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• 866[04:40:50] <TomTomTosch> jaggz: use ?narrow instead of 'and'
• 867[04:41:19] <jaggz> aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?archive(oldstable))' ?
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• 869[04:41:28] <TomTomTosch> looks good
• 870[04:41:38] <jaggz> no results
• 871[04:41:59] <jaggz> narrow takes a filter and a pattern
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• 873[04:43:28] <jaggz> aptitude search '?and(?installed,?archive(oldstable))'
• 874[04:43:40] <jaggz> that also returns no results
• 875[04:44:10] <jaggz> oh.. I removed wheezy from sources.. need to put it back
• 876[04:45:25] <jaggz> okay.. yeah.. it lists things like 'ant'
• 877[04:45:37] <TomTomTosch> with narrow?
• 878[04:45:53] <jaggz> hmm.. no!
• 879[04:46:20] <jaggz> yay! so far so good.. "adduser" comes from wheezy
• 880[04:46:55] <jaggz> I have a bunch of stuff from wheezy.. weird
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• 888[04:52:39] <jaggz> nice.. aptitude continues partial downloads (if ctrl-c'ed)
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• 890[04:54:22] <lolka> may i freely destroy Extended and Swap partitions?
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• 893[04:54:38] <lolka> OerHeks
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• 898[04:55:39] <lolka> damn this is too hard i think i just tar everything and put it on fresh vm with disk size as big as i want it
• 899[04:55:43] <lolka> :)
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• 912[05:02:40] <RoyK> lolka: no need to tar it - just rsync the data over
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• 918[05:05:11] <RoyK> lolka: as in rsync -avPHSXx /some/path root@somehost:/somewhere # <-- make sure to create ssh keys first and add the to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
• 919[05:06:20] <RoyK> lolka: as in rsync -avPHSAx /some/path root@somehost:/somewhere # <-- make sure to create ssh keys first and add the to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
• 920[05:06:23] <RoyK> even
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• 925[05:08:51] <lolka> RoyK, thats freaking great advice as i already gave up on taring cuz used space was more than free
• 926[05:09:03] <lolka> thks a million i'll try this now :)
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• 934[05:10:53] <RoyK> lolka: first ssh-keygen on the client (that's the old server, as root)
• 935[05:11:13] <RoyK> lolka: then add the key to the server's authorized_keys file
• 936[05:11:19] <RoyK> then try to ssh into it as root
• 937[05:11:21] <RoyK> then rsync
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• 950[05:22:19] <lolka> RoyK, is this like complete moving of old server to new one untouched and safe?
• 951[05:22:44] <lolka> * installing os on new vm *
• 952[05:23:22] <lolka> rsync / will work?
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• 965[05:28:45] <RoyK> lolka: probably not - install the new vm, rsync the data to somewhere like /oldmachine, move the data somewhere useful and reconfigure the thing
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• 967[05:29:04] <lolka> ;|
• 968[05:29:23] <RoyK> lolka: just talking out of experience
• 969[05:29:49] <lolka> yes im getting it
• 970[05:29:59] <lolka> i just never had to manually partition stuff before
• 971[05:30:01] <lolka> replaced-url
• 972[05:30:15] <RoyK> gotta sleep
• 973[05:30:16] <lolka> maybe im overthinking it ?
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• 977[05:32:03] <kulelu88> Hello
• 978[05:32:15] <lolka> hi.
• 979[05:32:40] <kulelu88> in this package: replaced-url
• 980[05:32:48] <lolka> #ubuntu
• 981[05:33:10] <kulelu88> It is essentially a debian package though
• 982[05:33:15] <kulelu88> don't you guys do it the same way?
• 983[05:33:36] <missmbob> kulelu88: that's irrelevant
• 984[05:33:48] <missmbob> !tell kulelu88 about ubuntu
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• 986[05:33:52] <kulelu88> do I need to literally find the debian equivalent and repeat myself?
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• 988[05:34:05] <missmbob> we won't listen
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• 991[05:34:35] <kulelu88> does ubuntu or debian have a devel channel?
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• 995[05:37:03] <kulelu88> Hello again all
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• 998[05:37:20] <kulelu88> can someone tell me where the dependencies for this package will be listed: replaced-url
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• 1000[05:37:22] <kulelu88> :D
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• 1002[05:37:48] <missmbob> kulelu88: seriously go away
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• 1004[05:38:22] <kulelu88> missmbob: if you can't help, don't. somebody else will
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• 1016[05:55:02] <afidegnum> hi, when the connection break, my ssh still hangs on the remote server i m working on, is there another way of breaking it out instead of closing the terminal? using Ctrl+c seems not to work
• 1017[05:55:58] <kulelu88> afidegnum: let it time out by itself
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• 1024[06:00:41] <forrcaho> I'm having trouble building tensorflow with CUDA support: the build script expects files in /usr/local/cuda but the debian package nvidia-cuda-toolkit puts things elsewhere
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• 1040[06:17:57] <up2late> hi
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• 1045[06:21:34] <jaggz> ImportError: No module named 'debconf'
• 1046[06:21:37] <jaggz> dpkg: error processing package apt-listchanges (--configure):
• 1047[06:21:37] <dpkg> jaggz: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
• 1048[06:21:37] <brimonk> Hey all. I'm attempting to get my Gamecube controller working on Debian to be used with the mupen64 emulator (and potentially, the Dolphin emulator), but it currently isn't working. I've created the udev rules as described here: replaced-url
• 1049[06:21:42] <jaggz> ugh
• 1050[06:21:44] <brimonk> version. I've tried to perform the steps that page later suggests and compile & install the newer version, but it still isn't working, and 'libusb-config --version' shows me 0.1.12. Is there any way to upgrade to at least 1.0.16 without breaking everything?
• 1051[06:21:48] <brimonk> (Sorry for the long post)
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• 1053[06:21:57] <jaggz> and I can't get to oftc for some reason
• 1054[06:22:07] <jaggz> (traceroutes time out near their end it seems)
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• 1056[06:23:40] <jaggz> replaced-url
• 1057[06:23:45] <jaggz> apt-get dist-upgrade
• 1058[06:23:58] <jaggz> can you guys get to irc.oftc.net?
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• 1061[06:25:49] <missmbob> yes
• 1062[06:25:58] <protocol> anyone know if there's a text-based web browser that can perform XSLT post-processing transforms on a per-domain basis?
• 1063[06:26:42] <protocol> like to make more modern pages look not ridiculous without CSS in a terminal
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• 1065[06:27:31] <jaggz> missmbob: hrmmm...
• 1066[06:27:49] <jaggz> protocol: links?
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• 1068[06:28:13] <pijiu> *lynx
• 1069[06:28:14] <pijiu> ?
• 1070[06:28:18] <protocol> jaggz: like elinks or lynx?
• 1071[06:28:21] <pijiu> i only know this one
• 1072[06:28:31] <jaggz> protocol: lynx probably won't look as good?
• 1073[06:29:04] <jaggz> elinks (links) has "better" layout.. although sometimes I prefer lynx. elinks also supports more.. stuff..
• 1074[06:29:18] <jaggz> I don't use either much though .. except right now in a dist-upgrade that's failed :)
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• 1076[06:29:30] <jaggz> missmbob: my traceroute stops at 74.205.108.49
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• 1078[06:29:57] <pijiu> replaced-url
• 1079[06:29:58] <jaggz> missmbob: nevermind.. I'm using .org instead of .net
• 1080[06:29:58] <protocol> well, just installed links and it looks like elinks, yeah
• 1081[06:30:21] <protocol> i will search to see if it can do XSLT transforms and how to set them up, thanks
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• 1084[06:30:30] <brimonk> Anyone have any ideas about my gamecube-usb problem?
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• 1088[06:32:18] <pijiu> cant see much difference between links and lynx :)
• 1089[06:32:25] <pijiu> exc color pallette
• 1090[06:32:34] <pijiu> just tried first one
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• 1092[06:33:46] <cubox_> how would I go about getting a swap partition setup, I have made the partition I just dont know how to enable it
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• 1094[06:34:22] * jaggz sighs
• 1095[06:34:31] <jaggz> cubox_: google :)
• 1096[06:34:39] <jaggz> sorry.. stuck with some messed up upgrade right now
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• 1098[06:34:51] <jaggz> and nobody talking in oftc#debian-next
• 1099[06:34:57] <pijiu> i just think people comes here after hours of google
• 1100[06:35:03] <pijiu> like i am
• 1101[06:35:04] <pijiu> ;)
• 1102[06:35:50] <jaggz> python -c "import debconf" works fine
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• 1109[06:39:28] <pingfloyd> cubox_: did you mark the partition as type swap?
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• 1112[06:39:41] <pingfloyd> cubox_: then you run mkswap on it
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• 1138[06:48:30] <cubox_> pingfloyd, yes marked as swap
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• 1141[06:48:48] <pingfloyd> cubox_: did you run mkswap on it?
• 1142[06:48:54] <cubox_> nope
• 1143[06:48:57] <pingfloyd> cubox_: after that run swapon on it
• 1144[06:49:01] <pingfloyd> that will make it active
• 1145[06:49:19] <pingfloyd> you probably want to update your /etc/fstab if you want to use it by default
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• 1151[06:54:01] <cubox_> crap brb need to resize my main partition
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• 1161[07:01:18] <_unreal_> pingfloyd, I had dumped an image via DD that made an 8gig image on my 1tb drive :)
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• 1163[07:01:35] <_unreal_> I just relized I was out of space after doing lots of updates
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• 1165[07:02:15] <_unreal_> now to deal with the swap
• 1166[07:02:20] <pijiu> by the way, if you have any problems with partitions
• 1167[07:02:28] <pijiu> just get urself gparted livecd
• 1168[07:02:32] <pijiu> boot from it
• 1169[07:02:35] <pijiu> and do whatever u want
• 1170[07:02:41] <pijiu> like i just solved MY PROBLEM
• 1171[07:02:43] <pijiu> ez
• 1172[07:02:46] <_unreal_> cant
• 1173[07:02:50] <pijiu> why
• 1174[07:03:09] <pijiu> i just spent several hours trying to repart my drive
• 1175[07:03:13] <_unreal_> do you know what a cubox is?
• 1176[07:03:17] <pijiu> then someone suggested gparted
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• 1178[07:03:19] <pijiu> no
• 1179[07:03:35] <_unreal_> :) google cubox marvel
• 1180[07:04:08] <pijiu> well, bro it has usb
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• 1182[07:04:20] <pijiu> which means u can load "livecd" iso into usb stick
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• 1184[07:04:33] <_unreal_> it uses uboot
• 1185[07:04:47] <_unreal_> it would have to have na image built JUST for it
• 1186[07:04:47] <pijiu> i will not believe it cant boot from some iso
• 1187[07:04:52] <pijiu> ahh
• 1188[07:04:53] <pijiu> ic
• 1189[07:05:02] <anonrate> How do I get the man pages for scanf? Some how I don't have them...
• 1190[07:05:03] <_unreal_> its an ARM
• 1191[07:05:15] <pijiu> using raspberry myself btw, love this little thing
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• 1193[07:05:20] <pijiu> cubox looks funny tho
• 1194[07:05:23] <pijiu> and fun
• 1195[07:05:28] <pijiu> i mean fun not funny
• 1196[07:05:29] <_unreal_> I have the original one
• 1197[07:05:31] <pijiu> not offending :))
• 1198[07:05:37] <_unreal_> 1st gen
• 1199[07:05:46] <_unreal_> 800mhz 1gb ram etc....
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• 1201[07:06:05] <_unreal_> wishing I could figure out how to get the opengl working
• 1202[07:06:16] <_unreal_> i'm running kali linux on it which is debian based
• 1203[07:06:25] <_unreal_> and has an image built just for it
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• 1205[07:06:53] <pijiu> i see
• 1206[07:07:10] <pijiu> well i think u hafta spend few hours googling unless someone could help
• 1207[07:07:15] <pijiu> i suck at partitioning
• 1208[07:07:24] <pijiu> never had to do it in my life before today
• 1209[07:07:29] <pijiu> gparted <3
• 1210[07:07:39] <_unreal_> pingfloyd, mkswap command not found
• 1211[07:07:47] <pijiu> apt-get install? :)
• 1212[07:07:58] <_unreal_> really?
• 1213[07:08:02] <pijiu> not sure
• 1214[07:08:05] <_unreal_> what kind of partition are you trying to do
• 1215[07:08:16] <_unreal_> and is this on your pi?
• 1216[07:08:40] <pijiu> sorry are u talking with urself
• 1217[07:08:44] <pijiu> :)
• 1218[07:08:49] <_unreal_> no
• 1219[07:09:05] <anonrate> Do either of you know I would go about getting the man pages for scanf?
• 1220[07:09:11] <_unreal_> you did just say you have issues with partitioning
• 1221[07:09:18] <pijiu> _unreal_, i had
• 1222[07:09:23] <pijiu> 10m ago
• 1223[07:09:25] <pijiu> now i dont
• 1224[07:09:31] <pijiu> gparted love <3
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• 1226[07:09:58] <_unreal_> "ultamate boot cd" is an other good iso to have
• 1227[07:10:45] <pijiu> maybe. my debs never fail tho; and even if it could fail once i always have them backed up
• 1228[07:11:07] <pijiu> dolce vita
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• 1231[07:15:10] <_unreal_> figured it out typo
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• 1242[07:22:16] <_unreal_> I'm loving this cubox
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• 1273[07:46:44] <afidegnum> please i come again, what's the equivalent of systemd in debian wheezy?
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• 1275[07:49:38] <voids> *newb wondering where to look, for an error in aptitude that fails to fetch the replaced-url
• 1276[07:50:17] <voids> *misschan
• 1277[07:50:20] <voids> sorry
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• 1293[08:03:27] <aypea[2]> anyone know of a way to, in a sudoesque fashion, cp a file between two users? Trying to avoid writing a script that uses tar to do this.
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• 1303[08:10:13] <LearningToBeFree> aypea[2]: sudo cp? Maybe I so not understand the question.
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• 1308[08:13:41] <tjone270_> hi, got something strange going on with Python 3.5: I'm getting exceptions when I try to run a script I've made got to do with the threading module, however this doesn't happen on non-Debian derived OSes or MS Windows/Apple macOS, I'll paste the exception below:
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• 1313[08:15:54] <tjone270_> Exception ignored in: <module 'threading' from '/usr/lib/python3.5/threading.py'>
• 1314[08:15:54] <tjone270_> Traceback (most recent call last):
• 1315[08:15:54] <tjone270_> File "/usr/lib/python3.5/threading.py", line 1288, in _shutdown
• 1316[08:15:54] <tjone270_> Connecting to IRC...
• 1317[08:15:54] <tjone270_> t.join()
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• 1321[08:17:03] <tjone270_> replaced-url
• 1322[08:17:31] <jelly> ,v python3.5
• 1323[08:17:33] <judd> Package: python3.5 on amd64 -- sid: 3.5.2-3; stretch: 3.5.2-3
• 1324[08:17:39] <jelly> tjone270_: which debian release is this?
• 1325[08:17:57] <tjone270_> this is jessie 8.5, but I've pulled the package from sid
• 1326[08:18:14] <jelly> don't do that
• 1327[08:18:17] <tjone270_> however ubuntu is doing the same thing
• 1328[08:18:26] <tjone270_> and it's got it on standard repos
• 1329[08:18:36] <jelly> mixing stable with anything newer is bound to break things
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• 1331[08:18:53] <afidegnum> i m following a tutorial where i need to deploy uwsgi into wheezy whith this config file sudo nano /etc/init/myapp.conf i don't know how to start it, using start myapp or stop myapp doesn't seems to work
• 1332[08:18:56] <tjone270_> true, but as I say this is also happening on release-grade ubuntu package
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• 1334[08:19:30] <jelly> tjone270_: maybe, but that's a bug for ubuntu people to deal with not debian
• 1335[08:19:52] <tjone270_> fair enough
• 1336[08:20:07] <jelly> tjone270_: if you can reproduce with a clean debian testing or unstable, not an unholy mix, ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 1339[08:20:37] <jelly> do mention which app/service is doing that
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• 1341[08:20:44] <tjone270_> okay
• 1342[08:20:47] <tjone270_> thanks jelly
• 1343[08:20:49] <tjone270_> nice name :)
• 1344[08:21:55] <jelly> afidegnum: /etc/init/ holds upstart service definitions. You'll have to find or write an init script instead, put it in /etc/init.d/, and enable it using for example update-rc.d
• 1345[08:22:21] <jelly> afidegnum: "start" and "stop" commands are also an upstart thing
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• 1347[08:22:50] <jelly> wheezy however uses sysvinit by default, not upstart
• 1348[08:23:06] <shtrb> anyone used lenovo G51-35 and can say it would work with debian (thinking on getting one so I can't get lspci there)
• 1349[08:23:23] <afidegnum> i m following this tutorial replaced-url
• 1350[08:23:43] <afidegnum> where at the buttom, it's said to create an upstart script
• 1351[08:23:52] <afidegnum> *file
• 1352[08:24:20] <jelly> it says that because the tutorial is for ubuntu 14.04 LTS, where upstart is the default init system.
• 1353[08:25:11] <jelly> using random tutorials from the internet, you have to figure out specifics from general concepts
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• 1356[08:26:16] <jelly> (it's often better to read the actual documentation instead of relying on step-by-step tutorials)
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• 1363[08:27:22] <afidegnum> well i hav been searching for the original documentation but no sucess,
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• 1366[08:27:43] <afidegnum> i am looking to run something for the default wheezy upstart/system file
• 1367[08:27:58] <afidegnum> i don't want to go through what happened to me earlier,
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• 1370[08:32:01] <afidegnum> jelly: do you have any tangible reference i can use ?
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• 1413[08:59:01] <jelly> afidegnum: /etc/init.d/skeleton
• 1414[08:59:23] <jelly> !init.d
• 1415[08:59:23] <dpkg> /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>.
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• 1461[09:15:47] <SwedeMike> I have a machine running Jessie with a LSI2008 controller in IR mode with a RAID1 of two SSDs. it has 60GB ram. When I am dd:ing tens of gigabytes of data, it seems there is a lot of write-cache somewhere. Looking at "iostat -x 5" I can see writing going on long after dd is done, and if I issue "sync" it takes minutes before it's done. I have tried to change sysctl such as vm.dirty_background_ratio = 1 and the centicecs settings etc, but to no avail. ...
• 1462[09:15:53] <SwedeMike> ... Any suggestions?
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• 1478[09:22:57] <jelly> SwedeMike: maybe you're just writing more than the backend can chew?
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• 1480[09:24:02] <jelly> vm.dirty_background_ratio of 1% ought to start flushing when they pass 600MB in your case
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• 1483[09:24:37] <zebulon1st> Hi ! The weather applet in MATE (in Debian stretch) do not update datas anymore, even after re-selecting the town (in the prefs). It now only display (in desktop top menu bar) "--" :S
• 1484[09:24:50] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1485[09:24:50] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1486[09:24:52] <jelly> zebulon1st: ^^
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• 1488[09:25:58] <jelly> zebulon1st: look at the list of bugs for the relevant component on bugs.debian.org, then file one if it's missing
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• 1490[09:26:03] <zebulon1st> jelly: I can't join debian-next (webirc OFTC do not connect or join anything -- I just have the status windows with 3 lines printed and tha'ts all)
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• 1493[09:27:01] <jelly> zebulon1st: replaced-url
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• 1495[09:27:54] <SwedeMike> jelly: yes, dd seems to send data faster than the drives can write to disk. However, I would expect the kernel to stop accepting data from dd when there is more than 600MB in the kernel block cache, or when the amount of centiseconds for data in the cache is higher than my set value of 50/100. Hm, I found replaced-url
• 1496[09:28:00] <SwedeMike> ... mentioned there.
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• 1498[09:29:00] <jelly> SwedeMike: er, no, vm.dirty_background_ratio is the threshhold to force _start flushing_, not to force stopping writes.
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• 1502[09:30:28] <zebulon1st> jelly: well... everything goes wrong with me : I tried to go to the replaced-url
• 1503[09:30:31] <jelly> SwedeMike: if you need to avoid VFS cache, use O_DIRECT flag for open()
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• 1512[09:33:36] <SwedeMike> jelly: yeah, I see that now from the description, so my vm.dirty_ratio was set way too high. I'll set it to 2 and see if that changes the behaviour
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• 1514[09:34:45] <zebulon1st> jelly: I even tried to go to the replaced-url
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• 1517[09:36:00] <jelly> zebulon1st: where did you find that URL? search forms on bugs.debian.org seem to work.
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• 1524[09:38:36] <zebulon1st> I find this URL in the replaced-url
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• 1568[10:03:14] <zebulon1st> jelly: I installed weather-utils, to try the tool by console. After searching which file weather uses for my town, I tried to get the file (or its content) by using the given URL (replaced-url
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• 1573[10:04:40] <zebulon1st> jelly: even just trying the basic URL (replaced-url
• 1574[10:05:15] <zebulon1st> So it seems it's not a bug, just a service closure.
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• 1576[10:05:43] <jelly> zebulon1st: remote APIs change all the time, see if upstream has a solution, if not, find out where/if NOAA's new API exists and send them patches
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• 1585[10:07:58] <jelly> maybe your tool will have to switch to a different weather info provider
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• 1688[10:57:02] <ws2k3> Hello, i have a machine with a ARC-1200 raid controller. with a mirror over 2 SSD's but now my linux kernel complains about rejecting I/O to offline device. what can this be ?
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• 1703[11:03:24] <negge> I'm having some trouble performing non-interactive apt-get upgrades. Even if I run DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive sudo apt-get -y -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" upgrade I will still get prompted about replacing configuration files. In this particular case, the prompt is one of those full screen prompts, not the smaller inline prompt you usually get. Running dpkg --configure -a --force-confdef --force-confold afters pro
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• 1739[11:27:40] <koltrast> Hi! I currently have a linux installation in LVM on top of LUKS. I'm using systemd-boot/gummiboot on a separate, unencrypted partition to load this. I'm trying to install debian inside this existing LVM and am having a hard time figuring out how to deal with boot. I think I copy debian's vmlinuz and initramfs to the ESP and add an entry there. Now how does debian deal with kernel updates? Would debian update
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• 1741[11:27:43] <koltrast> vmlinuz and initramfs correctly if I were to mount the ESP on /boot in debian?
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• 1748[11:31:37] <negge> solved my problem
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• 1750[11:31:55] <negge> had to use "sudo FOO=BAR apt-get upgrade" instead of "FOO=BAR sudo apt-get upgrade"
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• 1752[11:31:59] <pstk> hi
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• 1754[11:32:16] <pstk> i need help with a systemd unit
• 1755[11:32:21] <negge> too bad the Ruby hipsters who wrote the official docs for SSHKit didn't get that one correct, so the official docs are useless and don't work
• 1756[11:32:38] <negge> plus all the other random implementations of "execute apt-get upgrade with DEBIAN_FRONTEND set" are incorrect and don't work either
• 1757[11:32:51] <negge> typical "the blind lead the blind" bullshit
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• 1759[11:33:09] <pstk> I have a unit with EnvironementFile=/path/to/file
• 1760[11:33:36] <pstk> in file, i've put:
• 1761[11:33:53] <pstk> VAR1=/a/path
• 1762[11:34:06] <pstk> Do you know how is it possible to have
• 1763[11:34:11] <pstk> VAR2=$VAR1
• 1764[11:34:22] <pstk> actually it doesn't work
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• 1778[11:43:39] <koltrast> ok, I think I found what I was looking for on the EFIStub page on the debian wiki.
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• 1795[11:55:07] <ws2k3> how can i check which driver im currently using to access my raid controller?
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• 1801[11:57:34] <ChrisH> ws2k3: What do you mean with driver? Kernelmodules should show up in dmesg during boot.
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• 1805[11:58:23] <ws2k3> ChrisH can i maby grep for something ? to find which kernel module that is ?
• 1806[11:58:32] <ws2k3> ChrisH or how do i know what to look for
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• 1817[12:05:45] <ws2k3> ChrisH is it possible to find which version this driver is of the kernal module?
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• 1823[12:07:20] <ChrisH> ws2k3: a) run lsblk and identify the device you are interested in... or better tell us your real question/issue behind. Kernel version: uname -r
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• 1878[12:37:19] <l3archos> hi all. I am using Nemo. While Nemo window is open e.g. /home/john/foo, I save a new file into that path /home/john/foo through LibreOffice or any other application. Unfortunately the new existing file does not show in Nemo's opened window. I need to press F5 (=refresh) first to see it. Is there a way to configure Nemo or something else, so new file are shown instantly. Like I am used from Microsoft Windows Explorer ?
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• 1889[12:41:50] <theraspberry> Okay, so I don't stuff my packages again. What is the proper way to install openjdk8 on my debian jessie 8.5 machine.
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• 1891[12:41:52] <babilen> l3archos: nautilus does this by default ..
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• 1895[12:42:06] <babilen> l3archos: Might want to investigate settings for nemo
• 1896[12:42:39] <babilen> theraspberry: Enable jessie-backports and run "apt -t jessie-backports install openjdk-8-jdk"
• 1897[12:42:50] <babilen> dpkg: jessie-backports
• 1898[12:42:51] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
• 1899[12:44:09] <l3archos> babilen: but Nautilus does not suit to my needs, already tested it before I did choose Nemo.
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• 1902[12:44:44] <babilen> l3archos: Fair enough
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• 1905[12:45:41] <theraspberry> babilen: Thank you very much. :D
• 1906[12:45:55] <l3archos> anyone else in here who knows how to teach Nemo to refresh changes on the filesystem instantly and show them in the actual opened Nemo window ?
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• 1917[12:49:01] <l3archos> well, I need to correct myself. The desired feauture works well with Nemo on "LOCAL" filesystem, but it doesn't on SMB/CIFS share. So I am missing this feauture on SMB/CifS share. any clue how to activate it ?
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• 1922[12:54:12] <colo-work> l3archos, probably relies on inotify, which isn't available for remote fs
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• 1944[13:08:09] <TestingIRC> test
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• 1947[13:08:42] <petn-randall> TestingIRC: Congrats, it works.
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• 1951[13:10:35] <TestingIRC> I'm searching for channel somewhat related to pokemongo, any suggestions ?
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• 1958[13:12:35] <jelly> TestingIRC: ask the network channel bot, for example: /msg alis list *pokemon*go* -min 10
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• 1965[13:14:21] <Drzacek> Just /join #pokemongo
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• 1969[13:14:53] <TestingIRC> Drzacek: but I'm scared
• 1970[13:15:00] <TestingIRC> what if they don't like me
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• 1986[13:16:18] <Drzacek> aaand done
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• 1988[13:16:53] <Guest79304> Is it enough to upgrade grub via live usb after installation Windows 7 on sdb or
• 1989[13:17:27] <l3archos> colo-work: yes, might be. But on the system there must be somewhere a "configuration value" for inotify/remote fs because after a certain period of time (some minutes) the new file appears on the Nemo or Nautilus window, without pressing F5.
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• 1991[13:20:35] <Guest79304> Will an installation of windows 7 on sdb make Debian unbootable on sda or can I just upgrade grub via live usb?
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• 1994[13:21:49] <petn-randall> Guest79304: Usually Windows breaks the bootloader, but you can fix it up with a live linux. So yes.
• 1995[13:22:04] <appas> Guest79304: yes to both: win will overwrite the bootloader, but you can restore it from a live usb
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• 1998[13:23:07] <TestingIRC> /^/msg JustinHitla welcome to #debian
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• 2032[13:40:26] <Leoneof> hello, how to do checksum for all packages in my local repo? maybe some are infected or corrupted
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• 2055[13:50:21] <petn-randall> Leoneof: Doesn't really make sense, because the checksums can also be manipulated. Do you have the files on trustworthy source somewhere?
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• 2059[13:52:21] <Iridos> uh, you mean for the .deb packages?
• 2060[13:52:30] <Leoneof> petn-randall: well, i was curious to check if my local repo is infected/corrupted, is there anyway to scan deb packages?
• 2061[13:52:50] <digdilem> would clamav unpack .debs?
• 2062[13:52:51] <babilen> Local packages?
• 2063[13:52:52] <Leoneof> Iridos: yeah
• 2064[13:53:10] <ghormoon> hi, I'm failing to properly name this to be able to google up some examples on how to do. I need some sort of "menu" that would replace login prompt (on one tty only) to be able to press some predefined hotkeys to run predefined commands. how difficult would that be?
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• 2066[13:53:14] <Leoneof> babilen: i use reprepro to make local rep
• 2067[13:53:37] <sypher> Leoneof: What problem are you experiencing that leads you to believe that it's corrupted/infected?
• 2068[13:54:04] <Iridos> the "Packages" file from the repo has MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 checksums on each package… but that may already have newer versions than your repo
• 2069[13:54:10] <Leoneof> sypher: no problems, just need to checksum them :)
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• 2071[13:54:37] <sypher> s/need/want/
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• 2073[13:54:50] <TomTomTo1> but your package manager does that anyway before installing.
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• 2078[13:55:35] <Iridos> TomTomTo1, who?
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• 2082[13:56:51] <Leoneof> not possible to do checksum? see this replaced-url
• 2083[13:56:59] <Iridos> hm, yeah… signatures are checked, which is probably better than a checksum
• 2084[13:57:32] <sypher> Leoneof: I think what you're trying to do is borne of you not really understanding how packages work/are structured.
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• 2093[13:59:37] <sypher> Leoneof: replaced-url
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• 2095[14:00:01] <sypher> Leoneof: You're basically trying to reinvent the wheel.
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• 2099[14:01:27] <TomTomTo1> Iridos: wha... ?
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• 2105[14:05:10] <Leoneof> sypher: for example, what if someone hacked my local repo and replaced some packages?
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• 2107[14:06:13] <sypher> Leoneof: Then they'd have to re-sign the package with a GPG key that is trusted by the client system, which they don't control or have access to? Unless you blindly install GPG keys in response to error messages.
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• 2110[14:08:15] <Leoneof> sypher: well, you can imagine that, i blindly install gpg keys :)
• 2111[14:08:45] <sypher> Leoneof: If you're being serious with that last statement, then there's nothing this channel can do to help you in the way that you're wanting.
• 2112[14:08:52] <VR46> Hi! Have anyone tried to set static ip on tun0, when using openvpn client? I cannot for the life of me get it to apply the settings i've set. Is it even possible?
• 2113[14:09:07] <sypher> VR46: You can configure a static client IP mapping on the server end.
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• 2115[14:09:30] <Leoneof> sypher: well, there's nothing you can say, thanks for the help.
• 2116[14:10:32] <VR46> sypher: if it's possible i don't know how, the vpn-server i'm connecting to is an watchguard firewall
• 2117[14:11:25] <sypher> VR46: My condolances. It's going to be Watchguard's product support team to help you here. :/
• 2118[14:11:35] <ChrisH> VR46: then you need to ask them.
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• 2126[14:14:40] <samae> Is there a trustworthy ressource for compatibility checking between debian versions and laptop models?
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• 2130[14:16:52] <petn-randall> samae: Depends on your definition. Most of the time doing an internet search for "Debian <model name>" will find you a blog that describes what works, what needed manual fixing, and what doesn't work.
• 2131[14:17:43] <samae> I'll have to install a distro on a friend's laptop with a touchscreen, and I'd like to be prepared : )
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• 2134[14:20:07] <petn-randall> samae: In 80% of the cases you'll get a straight hit, in the rest of the cases it takes more searching ("Linux <model name>", "linux <device name>", etc.) to find answers.
• 2135[14:20:35] <samae> Ok : )
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• 2137[14:21:27] <SynrG> also useful is to check chipsets if you know them.
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• 2143[14:25:38] <SynrG> i'm thinking of stuff like replaced-url
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• 2145[14:25:47] <SynrG> that would be common to laptops with the same chipset
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• 2168[14:39:53] <Rico> hello
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• 2170[14:40:07] <Rico> I'm trying to make a brocade 10G network card work on debian jessie
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• 2175[14:41:43] <Rico> replaced-url
• 2176[14:41:49] <Rico> can anyçone help me with that ?
• 2177[14:41:52] <Rico> anyone
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• 2183[14:42:54] <petn-randall> Rico: How far did you get with your own research? What problems did you run into?
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• 2186[14:44:53] <Rico> petn-randall: network interfaces are not detected in "ip l". I've installed the firmware-qlogic package and cbfw-3.2.3.0.bin, ct2fw-3.2.3.0.bin and ctfw-3.2.3.0.bin in /lib/firmware/
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• 2190[14:45:44] <Rico> mmh interesting things in dmesg
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• 2192[14:46:05] <petn-randall> Rico: Can you show the full PCI ID with 'lspci -nn'?
• 2193[14:46:19] <Rico> replaced-url
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• 2196[14:47:25] <Rico> petn-randall: here it is : replaced-url
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• 2200[14:48:45] <petn-randall> Rico: Should work out of the box. Check 1657:0014 here: replaced-url
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• 2203[14:49:26] <Rico> petn-randall: I'm running i686
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• 2206[14:50:34] <petn-randall> Rico: Did you install firmware-qlogic from jessie-backports?
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• 2209[14:51:30] <Rico> seems it's not the one from jessie-backports
• 2210[14:52:08] <petn-randall> Rico: Do it properly via adding it to /etc/apt/sources.list, don't download it from the Debian website by hand.
• 2211[14:52:13] <petn-randall> !backports
• 2212[14:52:13] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 2215[14:52:25] <petn-randall> !debian-backports
• 2216[14:52:25] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
• 2217[14:52:32] <Rico> petn-randall: I just installed it via "aptitude install firmware-qlogic"
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• 2219[14:52:47] <petn-randall> Rico: Which release are you running then?
• 2220[14:53:00] <petn-randall> Rico: The output of 'apt-cache policy' might be relevant.
• 2221[14:53:44] <Rico> petan: replaced-url
• 2222[14:53:48] <Rico> petn-randall:
• 2223[14:53:53] <petn-randall> Rico: petn<tab>
• 2224[14:54:03] <Rico> yeah, sorry...
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• 2229[14:55:59] <petn-randall> Rico: Yeah, the firmware-qlogic from stable doesn't have the newer firmware. You need to install the newer version by adding backports to sources.list, running 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get install -t jessie-backports firmware-qlogic'.
• 2230[14:56:03] <samae> Is it ok to run debian stretch yet?
• 2231[14:56:22] <missmbob> !tell samae about debian-next
• 2232[14:56:24] <Rico> petn-randall: thanks, I'll try
• 2233[14:56:28] <samae> I see that my friend's computer will require a fresher kernel
• 2234[14:56:36] <petn-randall> samae: Yes, but it's pre-release and you should only run it if you know your way around on a Debian system, and you're willing to beta-test it.
• 2235[14:56:49] <petn-randall> samae: In that case use jessie-backports.
• 2236[14:57:39] <samae> ok! Yes, I see there's a linux-image-amd64 4.6 so it'll be ok
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• 2238[14:57:50] <samae> thanks!
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• 2244[14:59:43] <petn-randall> Rico: replaced-url
• 2245[14:59:56] <Rico> petn-randall: host is reeboting
• 2246[15:00:09] * petn-randall crosses fingers.
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• 2254[15:01:59] <Rico> petn-randall: it worked, thanks
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• 2256[15:03:37] <petn-randall> Rico: Nice. You're welcome!
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• 2281[15:13:51] <TemperedChrome> hey all, long time lurker in the linux community here, any tips for running essential programs in wine?
• 2282[15:14:03] <missmbob> ask #winehq
• 2283[15:14:08] <TemperedChrome> ah, thanks
• 2284[15:14:11] <TemperedChrome> will do
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• 2320[15:34:03] <mator> hello. how do i translate between systemd logged time on console and real time?
• 2321[15:34:32] <mator> [439936.267125] systemd[1]: systemd 231 running in system mode. (+PAM +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +APPARMOR +SMACK +SYSVINIT +UTMP +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +GNUTLS +ACL +XZ -LZ4 -SECCOMP +BLKID +ELFUTILS +KMOD +IDN)
• 2322[15:34:43] <abrotman> isn't that time since boot ?
• 2323[15:34:53] <mator> no idea
• 2324[15:35:00] <mator> anyone knows?
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• 2329[15:35:49] <SynrG> dmesg -T, but i don't remember the corresponding journalctl switch. that's what man pages are for :p
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• 2333[15:36:42] <SynrG> what's that output from anyway?
• 2334[15:36:55] <mator> SynrG, on the server console
• 2335[15:37:02] <SynrG> when i use journalctl it shows real time.
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• 2337[15:37:18] <mator> serial console
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• 2339[15:38:10] <mator> so, consider i have the following timestamp 439936.267125, is it possible to translate it somehow?
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• 2341[15:39:01] <TemperedChrome> I believe that that timestamp is time since boot
• 2342[15:39:11] <MikeSeth> mator: that's kernel time
• 2343[15:39:14] <TemperedChrome> ah
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• 2345[15:39:34] <mator> MikeSeth, so no direct way to translate it to real time?
• 2346[15:39:39] <mator> ffs
• 2347[15:40:18] <mator> consider server is crashed, and everything is logged in this way from boot/kernel time, how do i know when the server is crashed?
• 2348[15:40:24] <MikeSeth> replaced-url
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• 2350[15:40:36] <TemperedChrome> oh, maybe in the crash logs if there were any
• 2351[15:40:56] <TemperedChrome> it might be stored in plain text
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• 2353[15:41:44] <TemperedChrome> anyway, gtg, wish you the best of luck
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• 2356[15:42:24] <mator> MikeSeth, URL uses /proc/uptime, which is irrelevant after server crash/reboot
• 2357[15:42:35] <mator> :/
• 2358[15:42:42] <mator> but thanks anyway
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• 2360[15:43:12] <MikeSeth> mator: you would see the boot point in the log
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• 2362[15:43:42] <rozie> this is time from boot
• 2363[15:43:54] <SynrG> mator: date --date="@$((4329532 + $(date --date="$(uptime -s)" +%s)))"
• 2364[15:43:57] <SynrG> i think
• 2365[15:43:58] <SynrG> :)
• 2366[15:44:13] <rozie> dmesg uses the same ;)
• 2367[15:44:26] <mator> replaced-url
• 2368[15:44:33] <mator> journalctl --list-boots
• 2369[15:44:38] <SynrG> mator: substitute 439936 for my 4329532
• 2370[15:45:00] <jhutchins> mator: I believe that's seconds since boot.
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• 2372[15:45:19] <mator> jhutchins, ok thanks
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• 2374[15:45:34] <SynrG> mator: i convert uptime to seconds since the unix epoch, add the whole# seconds since boot, and convert it back to human-readable time
• 2375[15:45:51] <mator> SynrG, yeah, thanks
• 2376[15:45:59] <jhutchins> SynrG: Really useful.
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• 2378[15:46:10] <jhutchins> mator: dmesg uses the same format I belive.
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• 2383[15:47:06] <jhutchins> Logs are rarely useful in crash diagnosis, they're usually the first thing to die.
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• 2440[16:08:35] <koltrast> While trying to boot lvm on luks, I'm dropped to initramfs rescue shell because it cannot find the lvm volume. this is understandable as it does not ask for the passphrase for luks before looking for the volume. I've added dm_crypt and lvm2 to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, run update-initramfs, and made sure that there's an up to date version of initramfs.img on the ESP. why does it not decrypt the device
• 2441[16:08:37] <koltrast> before looking for the root volume?
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• 2472[16:25:47] <ChrisH> koltrast: a fresh installation? I did thet quite often and Debian installer did it allways very well.
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• 2474[16:27:20] <koltrast> ChrisH: not really. I have another linux installation on the lvm that I don't want removed, so I couldn't let the installer partition automatically
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• 2481[16:30:07] <koltrast> I'm pretty sure I've set most things up correctly, the efistub does boot from the original esp but does not try to decrypt the device with lvm on it
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• 2484[16:30:40] <Delf> When it comes to hardware support, for example drivers that might or might not require newer kernel… and release versions. Oldstable, stable, testing?
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• 2497[16:36:28] <techno2900> Hello, I would like to know how can I install pipelight on debian
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• 2502[16:37:52] <techno2900> Can you help me please ?
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• 2505[16:38:12] <veek> is there a way to reset my kde forum password - i've forgotten the username
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• 2508[16:38:29] <jhutchins> techno2900: replaced-url
• 2509[16:38:56] <techno2900> when I try to install pipelight, pipelight is not found
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• 2511[16:39:01] <jhutchins> veek: You'd have to ask someone associated with the kde forum. Check their website.
• 2512[16:39:38] <techno2900> I made all the steps
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• 2519[16:41:59] <techno2900> jhutchins : I made all the steps but pipelight is not found
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• 2524[16:43:11] <techno2900> anyone can help me ?
• 2525[16:43:14] <jhutchins> techno2900: You missed something.
• 2526[16:43:34] <techno2900> I made this : sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
• 2527[16:43:44] <techno2900> this : wget replaced-url
• 2528[16:43:45] <techno2900> sudo apt-key add Release.key
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• 2530[16:44:04] <jhutchins> You also need to ad the repos, and you need to do an apt* update (whatever command you use).
• 2531[16:44:27] <techno2900> I made this
• 2532[16:44:39] <techno2900> but I think the problem is the /etc/apt/sources.list
• 2533[16:45:03] <techno2900> The problem is this or not : replaced-url
• 2534[16:45:08] <techno2900> ?
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• 2544[16:47:58] <jhutchins> techno2900: You have both wheezy and jessie in your list. This is wrong. You need contrib enabled on the Debian repos.
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• 2549[16:49:24] <techno2900> okay so I change what ?
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• 2552[16:51:05] <techno2900> jhutchins : so I change what ?
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• 2557[16:52:51] <Anonymes> Hi
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• 2560[16:54:19] <techno2900> Hi
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• 2572[16:59:23] <arha> replaced-url
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• 2597[17:08:51] <abrotman> mhoney: perhaps you'd prefer here? :)
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• 2599[17:10:07] <mhoney> for some reason this seems bassackwards... lvm isn't directly debian related so offtopic seems more appropriate
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• 2603[17:11:08] <petn-randall> mhoney: #debian is for all support regarding your Debian machine. #debian-offtopic is a social channel for many people using Debian. The latter is explicitely not a support channel.
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• 2605[17:11:57] <petn-randall> mhoney: It should be relatively clear from the respective /topic.
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• 2614[17:14:44] <abrotman> mhoney: I wasn't trying to drive you away, but yes, LVM is included with Debian, and therefore on-topic here. The OT channel chatter is more like "Hey, here's a cool song" and so forth.
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• 2638[17:24:28] <baordog_> Hello
• 2639[17:25:01] <baordog_> I am having a dependency problem with apt-get packages. I am on a 64bit distro, and when I install gcc-multi-lib it does not install amd64 support.
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• 2641[17:25:28] <baordog_> The i386 package appears to install a great deal of symlinks which refer to non-existing folders.
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• 2643[17:25:51] <baordog_> And I cannot install both libc6-dev-amd64 and gcc-multilib at the same time.
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• 2646[17:26:28] <baordog_> How can I resolve this?
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• 2651[17:27:54] <ChrisH> baordog_: You should start with showing on paste.debian.net the full output of the executed command + apt-cache policy
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• 2655[17:29:18] <baordog_> ChrisH: Which command? How do I get the apt-cache policy?
• 2656[17:30:12] <ChrisH> baordog_: 1. the command you executed which showed the dependency problems. 2. apt-cache policy <- this is a command to be executed
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• 2660[17:31:31] <baordog_> Ok, first off my ultimate goal is install some non-packaged C software from github, so the only way I know there is a depedency is by build failures. I will show you the associated build failures and issues I am having with resolving the deps in the paste.
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• 2666[17:34:38] <jelly> baordog_: which debian release are you using?
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• 2670[17:35:29] <jelly> (and which software are you trying to build)
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• 2677[17:36:32] <jelly> mhoney: if you're new on irc, people in here did not see your initial question so you need to state it in here again
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• 2679[17:37:02] <jelly> separate channels are separate
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• 2697[17:47:36] <baordog_> jelly: I'm going to be straight with you, I'm debugging debian packages on kali-linux. I have to use it for many reasons. :/ Deny me help if you wish, the Kali dudes are never on their channel.
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• 2711[17:51:12] <babilen> baordog_: This channel only supported Debian and Debian users. You would be more than welcome if you were using Debian. What keeps you?
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• 2713[17:51:31] <baordog_> I work as a pentester. I am forced to use kali at work and for certs.
• 2714[17:51:42] <baordog_> The kali people give horrible support and their packages are often broken.
• 2715[17:51:50] <baordog_> I don't know dpkg will enough to debug very well.
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• 2720[17:53:05] <babilen> Curious .. why would your employer force you to use such a broken distribution?
• 2721[17:53:08] <SynrG> baordog_: while it is a sad tale, unfortunately the debian-only rule for support here is non-negotiable
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• 2723[17:53:22] <babilen> But .. I guess, we should discuss this in #debian-offtopic.
• 2724[17:53:27] <baordog_> Because it's the "pentesting" distribution.
• 2725[17:53:27] <SynrG> baordog_: work on convincing them how it's bad for business to be on such a broken distro
• 2726[17:53:38] <SynrG> baordog_: quantify the costs for them.
• 2727[17:53:42] <baordog_> Anyway, the gcc stuff should be common to debian anyway.
• 2728[17:54:09] <SynrG> !based on debian
• 2729[17:54:10] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 2730[17:54:25] <SynrG> so no, "common to" is not a loophole in our rules.
• 2731[17:54:32] <baordog_> Wow
• 2732[17:55:23] <baordog_> You know what, that kind of puts a sour taste in my mouth about you guys too, to be quite honest. Least you could do is give me some debugging tips. I mean debian invented this package maangement system wherever it's deployed.
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• 2734[17:56:10] <babilen> Please join #debian-offtopic and we can discuss this policy in more detail. The channel policy is quite clear and the reasons for that are both technical and social
• 2735[17:56:12] <c-c> baordog_: sour taste is due to you being in the wrong channel :)
• 2736[17:56:32] <c-c> baordog_: maybe you could try asking in #kali-linux :)
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• 2739[17:56:59] <SynrG> c-c: baordog_ already stated why that's not working for them
• 2740[17:57:04] <baordog_> c-c: It's almost always dead, and noone knows what they are talking about.
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• 2742[17:57:30] <c-c> baordog_: then try ##linux
• 2743[17:57:34] <Hello71> can't imagine why
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• 2745[17:58:24] <baordog_> c-c: The people in #linux will just tille me apt-get specific issues are a debian problem. It's GCC libs, not Kali libs.
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• 2747[17:58:37] <baordog_> That upstreams back to debian from what I can tell...
• 2748[17:58:47] <babilen> Either way .. this channel doesn't support this problem
• 2749[17:58:51] <SynrG> baordog_: if i were in your position, i'd install debian, work out my issues there, and then use my success as an argument to my boss as to why you must switch.
• 2750[17:59:04] <baordog_> Honestly the way you guys are treating me I don't think I'd consider installing debian.
• 2751[17:59:13] <SynrG> baordog_: that, plus a proper accounting of my time for how much was wasted beating my head against the wall with kali
• 2752[17:59:14] <baordog_> The arch people are more courteous based on this response.
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• 2754[17:59:44] <babilen> It has nothing to do with being courteous. The rules are very clear: We only support Debian and Debian users in here
• 2755[17:59:51] <SynrG> baordog_: nobody has insulted you or been uncourteous. if by "uncourteous" you mean unwavering in our adherence to our own rules, i suggest you check a dictionary
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• 2757[18:00:18] <baordog_> apt-get is derived from debian. It upstreams to debian. Debian maintainers are the experts on apt-get.
• 2758[18:00:25] <SynrG> we've as politely as possible directed you to possible solutions within the scope of what we can help with.
• 2759[18:00:27] <Korak> Try not to discount debian simply based on this place, Debian is a good system, even if this channel is a bit on the hostile side for anything not 100% debian
• 2760[18:00:29] <babilen> Not because we don't want to help other people, or you specifically, but due to both technical and social reasons. If you want me to elaborate on them then, please, feel free to join #debian-offtopic
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• 2764[18:01:06] <SynrG> Korak: hostile? again, check a dictionary.
• 2765[18:01:35] <babilen> So .. lets move on. If you guys want to discuss this further then, please, "/join #debian-offtopic". If not that's okay too.
• 2766[18:01:56] <Korak> I have seen this channel attack someone for simply saying hello....
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• 2768[18:02:15] <SynrG> channels don't attack people. people sometimes can. i've not seen it recently on this issue, though.
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• 2770[18:02:35] <SynrG> i'd say on the whole we are polite. i'll warrant there are some outliers. but not today
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• 2772[18:03:09] <SynrG> babilen: sorry, yes. shutting up. -> #debian-offtopic if anyone wants to engage me further on the topic
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• 2777[18:05:14] <baordog_> Hey man, I mean if that's how guys want to represent your community I get the message. I'll make sure and stop using distros that use your stuff. I'm sure the arch guys would support pacman outside a "pure" environment but I'll stop being offtopic so you guys can return to whatever was going on before.
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• 2780[18:06:01] <babilen> baordog_: You are making it very hard for us to actually discuss this issue. *This* discussion is also very offtopic in this channel which is why we try to cut it short.
• 2781[18:06:14] <babilen> Seriously, join us in #debian-offtopic for a relaxed chat about it.
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• 2786[18:06:59] <Guest14119> I will create a Windows DVD to install it next to Debian. With which programme will it work for sure? USB Stick with Windows created on Debian with dd doesn't boot.
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• 2788[18:07:03] <babilen> The channel rules are quite clear and you shouldn't generalise to proper support in here just because you have been told to seek support in an appropriate channel.
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• 2801[18:16:25] <SlazO> baordog_: Arch Guys will kick your ass around 'til u start to cry if you ask about pacman related issues outside a "pure" environment. Just saying...
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• 2804[18:17:31] <SlazO> just try to ask anything about manjaro or antergos. Oh boy...:)
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• 2806[18:18:16] <plantfood> what are you guys' predictions for 'snap' and 'flatpak' packages ?
• 2807[18:18:36] <OerHeks> again 2 ecosystems
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• 2809[18:18:50] <plantfood> canonical experimented with 'upstart' but then they dropped it and went with the more popular option
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• 2811[18:19:20] <jelly> baordog_: consider actually asking in #kali-linux today, there's a non-zero number of people present both here and there and someone MAY be willling to provide suggestions if you actually ASK
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• 2813[18:19:30] <plantfood> what if most linux systems use flatpak in the future, like mostly all use GNOME ?
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• 2815[18:20:18] <abrotman> I vaguely recall another large system like that had tried to use their own packaging
• 2816[18:20:34] <jelly> plantfood: experimented? They've developed and used for what, a decade?
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• 2818[18:21:08] <jelly> RHEL only had it in EL6, not before, not after
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• 2843[18:35:00] <Fortinet> Hi all
• 2844[18:35:05] <Fortinet> I have a question
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• 2875[18:50:17] <jhutchins> Most of us do.
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• 2883[18:51:38] <LordThumper> Hello
• 2884[18:52:04] <LordThumper> I will be trying to install Debian on a small factor PC, via USB
• 2885[18:52:15] <LordThumper> Is there a specific ISO I should download?
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• 2887[18:52:42] <LordThumper> I do not need the ISO to contain packages as the device will have net access
• 2888[18:52:44] <SynrG> what is the purpose of the system?
• 2889[18:53:07] <jmcnaught> LordThumper: using the netinst image is recommended for most cases
• 2890[18:53:07] <SynrG> generally, the netinst should do, and you can alter your package selection based on your needs.
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• 2893[18:53:25] <greycat> Netinst. If you are going to use wireless, then netinst-with-nonfree-firmware.
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• 2896[18:54:11] <LordThumper> The system will run headless, and it will be a homeserver
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• 2898[18:54:29] <LordThumper> Netinst, thanks guys
• 2899[18:54:55] <SynrG> so you can de-select the desktop option in the software install stage
• 2900[18:55:05] <LordThumper> Ok I do not need X
• 2901[18:55:06] <SynrG> and then select any of the server-ish things you need
• 2902[18:55:27] <SynrG> or else install those later, one at a time, via apt
• 2903[18:55:51] <LordThumper> I havent used debian for a while
• 2904[18:55:52] <SynrG> if you have a clear idea which specific software you want, that may be a better approach that leads to less 'clutter' on the system
• 2905[18:55:59] <LordThumper> what is stable? jessie?
• 2906[18:56:02] <SynrG> yes
• 2907[18:56:07] <SynrG> aka Debian 8
• 2908[18:56:10] <LordThumper> cool
• 2909[18:56:12] <LordThumper> ok
• 2910[18:56:26] <LordThumper> I might need mono from unstable
• 2911[18:56:29] <LordThumper> I'll check later
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• 2914[18:56:47] <SynrG> LordThumper: no. you don't mix releases. that's what backports are for
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• 2917[18:57:30] <LordThumper> SynrG: I think there are some repos providing the latest version of mono
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• 2919[18:57:34] <LordThumper> I think that qualifies as a backport
• 2920[18:57:46] <LordThumper> (not the unstable repos)
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• 2922[18:58:02] <greycat> ,v mono-utils
• 2923[18:58:03] <judd> Package: mono-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; stretch: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-8; sid: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-8
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• 2925[18:58:22] <greycat> ,checkbackport mono-utils
• 2926[18:58:22] <LordThumper> nice
• 2927[18:58:23] <judd> Backporting package mono-utils in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 2928[18:58:25] <LordThumper> yes i need sid
• 2929[18:58:39] <SynrG> k. then you might want to try your own backport
• 2930[18:58:45] <SynrG> !ssb
• 2931[18:58:45] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 2932[18:58:47] <LordThumper> or stretch
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• 2934[18:58:54] <greycat> I know very little about mono, so that mono-utils check might not be enough.
• 2935[18:59:16] <LordThumper> greycat: Last time I tried to compile 4.2.1 mono on stable
• 2936[18:59:26] <LordThumper> But I had a lot of trouble
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• 2938[18:59:47] <greycat> OK. It's not completely wrong for you to run testing (stretch) but I would avoid sid/unstable.
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• 2940[19:00:09] <greycat> They appear to have the same mono-utils at this point.
• 2941[19:00:14] <wyoung> greycat: or just use ubuntu :)
• 2942[19:00:17] <LordThumper> yes seems so
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• 2945[19:00:40] <jhutchins> wyoung: Ubuntu is not inherently more stable than Debian testing.
• 2946[19:00:42] <x37> hi everyone. can i just apt-get install python?
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• 2948[19:01:01] <greycat> x37: that's not the correct package name. I think it's python2.7
• 2949[19:01:01] <jhutchins> x37: Can you? What happens when you try?
• 2950[19:01:04] <jmcnaught> LordThumper: it looks to me like the build-deps for mono-utils are satisfied by jessie, but the dependencies for installation don't seem to be, and if you go the backport route you could find yourself manually backporting most/all of the mono stack
• 2951[19:01:04] <tjg1> I'm wondering what are your guys thoughts on software released under licenses like the Business Source License/Open Source Eventually/Fair License - source code released under a commercial license, installable for free on a limited number of CPUs, with each release becoming free software (i.e. under the GPL) after a set amount of time. Would such software be
• 2952[19:01:05] <tjg1> suitable for inclusion in Debian before the license change date?
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• 2954[19:01:32] <x37> jhutchins, i tried, it said alredy the newest version. guess it worked / i already had it
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• 2956[19:01:34] <LordThumper> jmcnaught: Yes that was my fear, I don't have enough time to do that
• 2957[19:01:43] <x37> now how to find out what version... hmm
• 2958[19:01:50] <c-c> tjg1: debian is for Open software, look it up
• 2959[19:01:55] <greycat> "python -v" seems to work
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• 2961[19:02:05] <wyoung> jhutchins: depends on your definition of stable
• 2962[19:02:12] <x37> thanks greycat!
• 2963[19:02:19] <wyoung> jhutchins: debian never changes, it takes years to produce a new release
• 2964[19:02:20] <x37> put a |less on it for me tho
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• 2966[19:02:22] <greycat> For at least some values of works. I had to exit from a python prompt.
• 2967[19:02:44] <jmcnaught> LordThumper: installing stable/jessie and using the mono stuff in a stretch or sid chroot or container could also be an option
• 2968[19:02:51] <jelly> tjg1: if the license is not DFSG-compliant, no
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• 2970[19:03:04] <LordThumper> Well I tried doing an install of mono-utils on Windows 10
• 2971[19:03:14] <LordThumper> And I'm being offered version 4.x
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• 2974[19:03:32] <LordThumper> Windows bash uses ubuntu repos right?
• 2975[19:03:42] <greycat> We wouldn't know.
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• 2977[19:03:50] * c-c gets ill feeling just from seeing the text "Windows 10"
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• 2980[19:03:57] <LordThumper> hah
• 2981[19:03:59] <c-c> as if kittens were tortured
• 2982[19:04:06] <LordThumper> jmcnaught: I think I'll install testing
• 2983[19:04:14] <MikeSeth> c-c: chances are kittens -were- tortured
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• 2985[19:04:28] <LordThumper> hehe
• 2986[19:04:30] <MikeSeth> literally the only interaction with windows 10 i ever had is when my neighbour asked to uninstall it
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• 2988[19:04:39] <LordThumper> It's not that bad
• 2989[19:04:41] <c-c> MikeSeth: and their personal information sold for profit to 3rd parties, along with LordThumper's
• 2990[19:04:43] <MikeSeth> and even then it managed to screw me
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• 2992[19:04:57] <MikeSeth> because the uefi configuration didn't work
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• 2996[19:07:01] <LordThumper> jmcnaught: Do you mean run testing/unstable in userspace?
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• 2999[19:07:25] <LordThumper> Is that easy to do?
• 3000[19:07:34] <greycat> In a chroot? It's pretty easy.
• 3001[19:07:45] <jmcnaught> LordThumper: you could use schroot to use stretch as a regular user. It is an extra layer, but not very difficult.
• 3002[19:08:06] <jmcnaught> i tend to use disposable LXC containers these days
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• 3005[19:08:26] <LordThumper> I'm not that linux knowledgeable hehe
• 3006[19:08:28] <SynrG> LordThumper: is this for home/personal use, or a production server facing the big, bad world?
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• 3008[19:08:39] <LordThumper> That IS running the kernel in userspace right?
• 3009[19:08:48] <SynrG> a chroot? no
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• 3012[19:08:53] <jelly> you don't have to run a separate kernel
• 3013[19:08:56] <c-c> So, the implication, there would be a whole OS version virtualized in a LXC
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• 3015[19:09:07] <LordThumper> SynrG: Ye it is a hobby project on a 7 year old small factor pc, testing will be fine :-P
• 3016[19:09:19] <greycat> If you use a chroot, you'd be running the stretch programs on a jessie kernel. Unless you use a jessie-backports kernel.
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• 3018[19:09:26] <LordThumper> ah cool
• 3019[19:09:38] <SynrG> LordThumper: if it's a hobby project, testing should be fine. and see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
• 3020[19:09:40] <LordThumper> need to read a bit about it
• 3021[19:09:54] <LordThumper> ok
• 3022[19:10:01] <LordThumper> well thanks for the detailed help everyone
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• 3024[19:10:07] <LordThumper> the linux community is the best
• 3025[19:10:24] <wyoung> LordThumper: I thought right
• 3026[19:10:34] <wyoung> it was correct to use linux
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• 3033[19:13:16] <fodil> hi
• 3034[19:13:37] <fodil> can i ask for support pls ? =)
• 3035[19:13:56] <fodil> i got a nvidia optimus (muxless)
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• 3038[19:14:13] <fodil> graphic card (geforce 710m)
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• 3040[19:14:39] <fodil> and i really want to use the nvidia drivr
• 3041[19:15:05] <fodil> driver*, if someone can help me for this pls ? (i don't want to use bumblebee)
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• 3049[19:16:41] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3052[19:17:12] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3058[19:17:53] <wyoung> fodil: sure, that will be five bucks!
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• 3060[19:17:55] <wyoung> :P
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• 3063[19:18:14] <fodil> haha ! :)
• 3064[19:18:22] <fodil> will it work ?
• 3065[19:18:28] <fodil> i tried a lot of nvidia drivers
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• 3067[19:18:37] <fodil> and a lot of them make my X server crash
• 3068[19:18:40] <greycat> I only know what the wiki says about it.
• 3069[19:18:45] <SynrG> ,v nvidia-driver
• 3070[19:18:46] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-10; sid/non-free: 361.45.18-2; experimental/non-free: 367.44-1
• 3071[19:18:59] <SynrG> allegedly, jessie supports this
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• 3074[19:19:32] <c-c> fodil: I never had problems when I had nvidia hw
• 3075[19:19:34] <SynrG> if you have dual gfx and don't want to use the integrated gfx, you just need to disable it in the bios
• 3076[19:19:45] <fodil> I got Optimus on my computer
• 3077[19:19:46] <c-c> fodil: just make sure you don't already have it
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• 3079[19:19:58] <fodil> and muxless
• 3080[19:20:03] <fodil> i can't disable it in bios
• 3081[19:20:18] <fodil> when I get the nvidia driver, it won't work until I change the Xorg.conf
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• 3083[19:20:25] <fodil> (by blacklisting nouveau)
• 3084[19:20:39] <fodil> but if I do this, X server crashes
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• 3086[19:20:49] <SynrG> normally the debian package takes care of those details
• 3087[19:21:01] <SynrG> i take it you weren't using the debian package
• 3088[19:21:08] <fodil> i did
• 3089[19:21:11] <fodil> nvidia driver
• 3090[19:21:13] <greycat> fodil: please start by following the instructions on the wiki. THEN if it breaks, you can try to troubleshoot.
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• 3092[19:21:32] <SynrG> did you at any point in the past install the nVidia driver from nVidia?
• 3093[19:21:46] <SynrG> and if so, are you absolutely certain you removed every trace of that attempt?
• 3094[19:21:51] <fodil> i did install it from nvidia-driver/nvidia-current
• 3095[19:21:58] <fodil> and from nVidia
• 3096[19:22:08] <fodil> i removed everything
• 3097[19:22:23] <fodil> with ./NVIDIA*********.run --uninstall
• 3098[19:22:37] <fodil> and did apt-get remove --purge nvidia-*
• 3099[19:22:49] <fodil> i removed my xorg.conf a lot of time too
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• 3101[19:23:18] <SynrG> i've seen nvidia install scripts leave crap behind, unfortunately :p
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• 3105[19:24:07] <fodil> Then I'll do what you suggest
• 3106[19:24:23] <fodil> i'll check everything, and install nvidia-driver only
• 3107[19:24:37] <fodil> should i make him do the X config file ?
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• 3110[19:25:27] <SynrG> i think it's just:
• 3111[19:25:30] <SynrG> !nvidia dkms
• 3112[19:25:30] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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• 3115[19:25:59] <SynrG> so, just that fragment of an xorg config, 20-nvidia.conf, is all that's needed.
• 3116[19:26:05] <SynrG> the driver should auto-configure just fine
• 3117[19:26:22] <SynrG> and the driver should include a nouveau blacklist so you don't need to manually blacklist. just a reboot
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• 3120[19:26:58] <SynrG> that being said, i've heard users with issues with dual gfx where the screen will be black
• 3121[19:27:16] <SynrG> that they had to solve either by installing bumblebee, or by disabling the integrated gfx in their BIOS
• 3122[19:27:29] <SynrG> ,v bumblebee-nvidia
• 3123[19:27:30] <judd> Package: bumblebee-nvidia on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 3.2.1-4~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 3.2.1-7; jessie-backports/contrib: 3.2.1-13~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 3.2.1-13; stretch/contrib: 3.2.1-13
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• 3126[19:27:42] <fodil> i can't use bumblebee
• 3127[19:27:45] <fodil> i use opengl 4.4
• 3128[19:27:45] <SynrG> ^ there is an nvidia driver version of bumblebee. if you didn't find that before
• 3129[19:28:01] <fodil> and bumblebee doesn't support 2013+ opengl features
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• 3131[19:28:04] <SynrG> is opengl 4.4 not compatible with bumblebee-nvidia?
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• 3133[19:28:08] <fodil> it isnt
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• 3135[19:28:17] <fodil> shaders just make everything crash
• 3136[19:28:43] <ibuh> is it possible nowadays to use kvm/qemu with libvirtd and the other virt-tools without systemd as it depended on systemd packages a year ago?
• 3137[19:28:58] <SynrG> fodil: and you're sure you were not using the nouveau version of bumblebee?
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• 3139[19:29:15] <fodil> i used bumblebee-nvidia
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• 3141[19:29:24] <fodil> i had the nvidia thing
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• 3144[19:29:37] <fodil> when i did optirun glxinfo | grep OpenGL
• 3145[19:30:01] <fodil> ibuh: what do you mean ? :o
• 3146[19:30:21] <SynrG> k
• 3147[19:30:33] <fodil> i'll try what you said, SynrG
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• 3149[19:31:24] <fodil> i tried to use sid too
• 3150[19:31:45] <fodil> (since I read that 370 provided prime synchronisation)
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• 3154[19:33:46] <jmcnaught> ibuh: i use libvirt and systemd, but if i run "apt-get -s install sysvinit-core" it doesn't want to remove libvirt packages
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• 3159[19:35:05] <ibuh> jmcnaught: I just checked that on Debian it doesn't seem to be possible to use the repo version of libvirt without systemd because libvirt-bin depends on libvirt-daemon-system which depends on systemd ... :(((
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• 3162[19:35:36] <ibuh> on the one hand it is said that they don't force systemd on people but one is forced implicitly in order to use straightforward software; what the heck!
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• 3166[19:37:11] <jmcnaught> ibuh: on Debian if you want to use sysvinit you still need some systemd libraries installed. libvirt-daemon-system suggests systemd, depends on libsystemd0. So you can still use sysvinit as PID 1 if you want
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• 3168[19:38:02] <jmcnaught> ibuh: also systemd is pretty sweet, worth learning how to use at the very least
• 3169[19:38:21] <ibuh> jmcnaught: no, I can't even install libvirt-bin without systemd
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• 3171[19:39:31] <ibuh> jmcnaught: I don't want to use bleeding edge software, doesn't fit Debian either
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• 3173[19:39:39] <greycat> ibuh: I'm not seeing it. What jmcnaught said matches what I see when I look at the dependencies.
• 3174[19:39:52] <jmcnaught> ibuh: can you show in a paste with the command and complete output?
• 3175[19:40:02] <fodil> what is the libvirt thing pls ? :D
• 3176[19:40:22] <ibuh> greycat, jmcnaught: aptitude install libvirt virt-manager -R -V installs systemd also
• 3177[19:40:31] <jmcnaught> fodil: it manages hypervisors, there's a wikipedia article about it
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• 3179[19:40:58] <fodil> jmcnaught: ok thx, going to read it
• 3180[19:41:02] <greycat> First, stop using aptitude? :)
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• 3182[19:41:34] <ibuh> greycat: isn't aptitude recommended nowadays? According to my experience, it is more advanced in solving package conflicts than apt-get
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• 3184[19:42:07] <jmcnaught> ibuh: having the systemd package is harmless. it's the systemd-sysv package that makes systemd your init/PID 1.
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• 3186[19:43:24] <ibuh> greycat: apt-get would also install systemd along, just checked (even with --no-install-recommends)
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• 3189[19:43:40] <fodil> just disable systemd then ?
• 3190[19:43:55] <ibuh> jmcnaught: why would I even have to download a bit of systemd????
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• 3193[19:44:23] <greycat> ibuh: because of the dependency on libsystemd0 as jmcnaught said
• 3194[19:44:38] <ibuh> greycat: of course, but why is that?
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• 3196[19:45:26] <ibuh> I want to use libvirt without any systemd packages like in wheezy
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• 3202[19:46:19] <jhutchins> ibuh: The extra work of maintaining both sysv and systmd compatibility in daemon packages is naturally going to result in some packages not using systemd, and others switching but not using both.
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• 3204[19:46:32] <jhutchins> ibuh: So build it.
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• 3206[19:47:50] <ibuh> okay
• 3207[19:48:07] <fodil> you shouldn't build it
• 3208[19:48:14] <fodil> it's easy to make install
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• 3210[19:48:22] <fodil> but it isn't easy to remove it
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• 3212[19:48:48] <ibuh> fodil: what's the problem?
• 3213[19:49:03] <fodil> it's a bad thing to do
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• 3216[19:49:19] <fodil> it can break you libs
• 3217[19:49:30] <fodil> and you probably won't be able to remove it manually
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• 3219[19:50:37] <jelly> ibuh: what's the exact command you tried? I'm getting > Couldn't find package "libvirt".
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• 3221[19:51:16] <jelly> out of "aptitude install libvirt virt-manager -R -V"
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• 3223[19:51:34] <jelly> ... on a jessie system without systemd
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• 3231[19:54:16] <ssssss> is it ANY dangerous to do shutdown -r NOW often?
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• 3234[19:55:08] <fodil> use systemctl
• 3235[19:55:11] <jelly> ibuh: "aptitude -s install libvirt-bin virt-manager -R -V" wants to install libpam-systemd and systemd-shim for me, not systemd.
• 3236[19:55:21] <ssssss> fodil, how and why its better
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• 3239[19:55:39] <fodil> if i'm not mistaken, it make a syscall to linux kernel
• 3240[19:55:49] <ssssss> and whats bad in doing shutdown -r now
• 3241[19:56:07] <fodil> it's the same, or probably better than shutdown
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• 3243[19:56:22] <fodil> so it's better to use systemctl ? :P
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• 3245[19:56:38] <ssssss> to this moment i had never experienced ANY issues doing this somewhat often sometimes, just want to be sure if im not doing it wrong
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• 3247[19:56:53] <ssssss> whats systemctl command for reboot?
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• 3249[19:57:02] <fodil> systemctl reboot
• 3250[19:57:04] <fodil> for reboot
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• 3252[19:57:09] <fodil> systemctl poweroff
• 3253[19:57:11] <greycat> ssssss: I simply use "shutdown -r now" as I always did
• 3254[19:57:13] <fodil> for shutdown
• 3255[19:57:17] <ssssss> and by the way u still didnt convinced me, just curious about new commands
• 3256[19:57:20] <ssssss> LD
• 3257[19:57:21] <ssssss> :D
• 3258[19:57:33] <ssssss> greycat so u think its no danger at all?
• 3259[19:57:48] <jelly> ssssss: I'm with greycat on this one, what does uppercase NOW do?
• 3260[19:57:50] <ssssss> im doing shutdown -r now for years and pretty much happy with it yet
• 3261[19:57:55] <ibuh> jelly: on my system, it wants to install systemd along systemd-shim
• 3262[19:58:01] <ssssss> nah i just mistakenly uppercased it
• 3263[19:58:02] <ssssss> :D
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• 3265[19:58:08] <ssssss> wanted to uppercase OFTEN
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• 3267[19:58:30] <ibuh> jelly: when issuing the command you reposted
• 3268[19:58:47] <ssssss> so i guess there is nothing bad at all in shutdown -r yeah guys?
• 3269[19:58:54] <fodil> shutdown is a symlink to systemctl
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• 3271[19:59:04] <jelly> ibuh: what about apt-get --no-install-recommends ... ?
• 3272[19:59:25] <ibuh> jelly: aptitude -s install libvirt-bin virt-manager -R -V
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• 3275[19:59:37] <jmcnaught> ibuh: did you read the description of the systemd-shim package? it's specifically for people not using systemd as their init
• 3276[19:59:38] <ibuh> jelly: the same with apt-get
• 3277[19:59:40] <ssssss> fs / os cant be any damaged by some "improper" reboot? ofc taken in mind no any CRITICAL processes are running
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• 3279[19:59:53] <jelly> ibuh: weird. show your "apt-cache policy" please
• 3280[19:59:54] <fodil> no it won't be damaged
• 3281[20:00:02] <ssssss> fodil, im happy with what u say
• 3282[20:00:05] <ssssss> thks guys
• 3283[20:00:06] <ssssss> <3
• 3284[20:00:07] <jelly> ibuh: replaced-url
• 3285[20:00:17] <ssssss> and <3 debian too
• 3286[20:00:26] <ibuh> jmcnaught: but it also wants to install systemd, not only *shim
• 3287[20:00:36] <ssssss> my life became so much easier when i met her
• 3288[20:00:39] <ssssss> debian i mean
• 3289[20:00:39] <ssssss> :D
• 3290[20:01:06] <ibuh> jelly: replaced-url
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• 3293[20:01:39] <jmcnaught> ibuh: also read the description of the systemd package then. it makes it clear that this package does not switch init
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• 3295[20:02:19] <ibuh> jmcnaught: I don't want all that stuff
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• 3297[20:02:34] <ssssss> but package want it
• 3298[20:02:35] <ssssss> :D
• 3299[20:03:21] <jmcnaught> ibuh: is making sure that zero systemd bits are on your system worth it though? with the sysvinit-core package you get sysvinit as /sbin/init, and that's what you want right?
• 3300[20:03:33] <ibuh> fodil: if I use self-compiled software, I do it in a chroot
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• 3303[20:04:34] <ibuh> jmcnaught: maybe not
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• 3306[20:05:05] <jmcnaught> ibuh: pick your battles :)
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• 3309[20:05:59] <flax> Is gtx 1080 the fastest gpu you can use on linux?
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• 3314[20:06:59] <fodil> i think it's an AMD one
• 3315[20:07:07] <fodil> which is the fastest
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• 3317[20:07:23] <fodil> because gtx 1080 drivers aren't full released/tested
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• 3327[20:09:55] <fodil> sorry i said sthg wrong
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• 3329[20:10:04] <fodil> gtx 1080 is the fastest
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• 3391[20:31:47] <debidi> calligra is unavailable on amd64 sid for some reason..
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• 3393[20:34:11] <cra1g321> debidi, it is only a meta-pakcage
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• 3395[20:34:17] <cra1g321> meta-package *
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• 3398[20:36:06] <cra1g321> all the packages it depends on seem to have sid packages except for kthesaurus
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• 3403[20:38:10] <LordThumper> When asked for the kernel version during installation I chose the 686 metapackage, is that correct?
• 3404[20:38:20] <LordThumper> I don't need PAE as I have 2GB
• 3405[20:38:28] <LordThumper> memory
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• 3409[20:40:44] <ssssss> guys, i just found awesome piece of software and just want to share it with you because it's just pure goodness
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• 3411[20:40:58] <ssssss> thing is called Kitty, which is Putty fork
• 3412[20:41:04] <ssssss> (for windows)
• 3413[20:41:14] <debidi> cra1g321: no such meta package for me or any of its componenets, neither sid or experimental
• 3414[20:41:25] <ssssss> most awesome part for me there is auto-reconnect on internet hiccup / network change / system reboot
• 3415[20:41:35] * greycat wonders why he is supposed to care about some program that runs on windows
• 3416[20:41:36] <ibuh> I am astounded
• 3417[20:41:59] <cra1g321> debidi , replaced-url
• 3418[20:42:03] <abrotman> ssssss: please go away
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• 3420[20:42:20] <ssssss> abrotman, right behind you
• 3421[20:42:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o abrotman
• 3422[20:42:24] *** abrotman sets mode: +b *!*@61.140.210.160
• 3423[20:42:24] *** ssssss was kicked by abrotman (you should know better)
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• 3425[20:42:26] <missmbob> ha
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• 3427[20:42:32] <cra1g321> wheezy and jessie only, i'm just saying that its only a meta-package, you can still install the packages of the calligra suite manually
• 3428[20:42:53] <debidi> !sid
• 3429[20:42:54] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
• 3430[20:43:04] <debidi> is there a unstable channel?
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• 3432[20:43:26] <greycat> !debian-next
• 3433[20:43:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3434[20:43:45] <debidi> :/ "you must be invited"
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• 3436[20:43:56] * cra1g321 was waiting for that
• 3437[20:44:01] <fodil> SynrG : i installed it and i had a xorg crash :P
• 3438[20:44:12] <missmbob> debidi: read the whole thing
• 3439[20:44:15] <debidi> wow boys club ffs
• 3440[20:44:16] <flax> When will wayland replace xorg?
• 3441[20:44:26] <fodil> u can try to use wayland
• 3442[20:44:36] <fodil> with weston
• 3443[20:44:39] <cra1g321> debidi, read the whole message before you rant
• 3444[20:44:42] <fodil> or gnome
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• 3462[20:53:07] <Mathisen> what is recommended to use for remote desktop access ? vnc ? and i need NAT passthrough
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• 3467[20:54:18] <qqz> Hi; I`d like to program a watchfile for replaced-url
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• 3469[20:54:35] <qqz> currently I only have a bash script that downloads the newest version of confinedrv
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• 3473[20:54:54] <qqz> it first downloads a file called SHA512SUMS.signed
• 3474[20:55:10] <qqz> and picks the URLs from there
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• 3476[20:55:22] <qqz> additionally it checks the gpged-SHA512 of the download
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• 3479[20:55:52] <qqz> isn`t there a way to make uupdate simply execute a scriptfile?
• 3480[20:56:06] <qqz> I think it can not be done with a default watch file
• 3481[20:56:20] <qqz> hope this is the right channel to ask
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• 3494[20:59:21] <unborn> Mathisen: ssh
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• 3497[21:00:18] <unborn> Mathisen: you can setup box to do reverse connection to your server.. then from your machine you connect to the server on specific port which will automatically connects you to machine behind the nat.. done
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• 3500[21:04:33] <Mathisen> unborn, like using xming from my windows machine and export the display ?
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• 3503[21:06:02] <unborn> Mathisen: sorry, connecting from windows?
• 3504[21:06:08] <Mathisen> unborn, yes
• 3505[21:06:26] <unborn> Mathisen: you can use something aka teamviewer
• 3506[21:06:38] <unborn> or some open sourced vnc
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• 3510[21:07:40] * unborn is not using windows at all, means I know how to connect to windows not from windows (possibly waste of time as windows is too dummy and cannot do many things at all)
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• 3513[21:08:08] <Mathisen> yeah i go with teamviewer then.. but last time i tried that it would bug out after a while then i needed physical access to the machine to restart teamviewer ..
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• 3517[21:09:07] <fodil> PuTTY isn't good ?
• 3518[21:09:22] <Mathisen> putty is great.. but i have not yet used any GUI with it
• 3519[21:09:26] <micksrv> it is good
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• 3524[21:10:29] <unborn> oh yeah putty I forgot about it too.. that should work on windows.. however I think he wants to use gui...
• 3525[21:10:53] <micksrv> but there are some more useful putty forks providing better experience
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• 3527[21:11:14] <fodil> you can use GUI with putty if i'm not mistaken
• 3528[21:11:35] <micksrv> putty is pretty much gui-based
• 3529[21:11:38] <greycat> I think you are mistaken, but I'm not a windows expert, so... maybe not.
• 3530[21:11:39] <Mathisen> fodil, yes with a local xserver on win like xming.. but i have not tried that yey
• 3531[21:11:41] <Mathisen> yet*
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• 3533[21:12:39] <unborn> Mathisen: is that linux server you are trying to connect to from win machine?
• 3534[21:12:47] <Mathisen> yep
• 3535[21:12:53] <Mathisen> a debian server
• 3536[21:12:55] <micksrv> whats ur problem then?
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• 3540[21:13:11] <unborn> Mathisen: ah :) just install webmin and open port
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• 3542[21:13:26] <unborn> Mathisen: sort of web gui for system administration..
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• 3544[21:13:38] <unborn> Mathisen: and you use just webbrowser
• 3545[21:13:45] <Mathisen> i used webmin in the past
• 3546[21:13:47] <micksrv> i deny installing webmin! do it all from console
• 3547[21:13:58] <RoyK> !webmin
• 3548[21:13:59] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
• 3549[21:14:04] <micksrv> ^ this
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• 3551[21:14:18] <Mathisen> :)
• 3552[21:14:32] <micksrv> !mysql
• 3553[21:14:32] <dpkg> MySQL is a fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It is the world's most popular open source database. To install, ask me about <install mysql>. replaced-url
• 3554[21:14:40] <micksrv> feelsgoodman
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• 3556[21:15:34] <RoyK> dpkg, no, mysql is a network-attached spreadsheet used by pr0n sites and other dodgy entities across the Internet. You can learn more about it at replaced-url
• 3557[21:15:34] <dpkg> okay, RoyK
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• 3559[21:15:51] <greycat> Um.
• 3560[21:15:58] <fodil> mysql is bad ? :o
• 3561[21:16:16] <greycat> Granted, *I* chose something else, but that factoid seems a bit extreme.
• 3562[21:16:38] <unborn> :) things changed...anyway whatever one might prefer
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• 3564[21:16:51] <micksrv> and whatever fits for a task
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• 3568[21:18:04] <blawiz> how can i set main monitor (prob with xrandr?) _before_ xdm/login?
• 3569[21:18:19] <mar77i> so uh, am I supposed to have a partition table on an usb stick where I intend to put the debian iso?
• 3570[21:18:29] <greycat> mar77i: no.
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• 3572[21:18:37] <fodil> .xinitrc script, in ~/ directory
• 3573[21:18:40] <mar77i> I think so. I failed twice now :D
• 3574[21:18:44] <micksrv> mar77i, i only know windows solution for making usb stick
• 3575[21:18:48] <greycat> writing the .iso image to the USB device will create a partition table, because you're overwriting the *whole* device.
• 3576[21:18:52] <missmbob> !win32diskimager
• 3577[21:18:53] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
• 3578[21:18:56] <missmbob> use that
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• 3580[21:19:12] <missmbob> anything else, rufus, unetbootin, whatever, breaks it
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• 3582[21:19:29] <unborn> !dd
• 3583[21:19:29] <micksrv> replaced-url
• 3584[21:19:29] <dpkg> dd is, like, an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. <pv>
• 3585[21:19:29] <mar77i> I'm on another distro
• 3586[21:19:33] <micksrv> easy and reliable
• 3587[21:19:37] <mar77i> of course I use dd
• 3588[21:19:37] <fodil> that explains why all my windows bootable key didn't work :D
• 3589[21:19:38] <missmbob> micksrv: dont suggest that
• 3590[21:19:42] <greycat> if you're on anything linux-like, use cp or dd or cat
• 3591[21:19:43] <micksrv> ok
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• 3593[21:19:49] <micksrv> why?
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• 3595[21:19:56] <jiggawattz> Yo
• 3596[21:19:57] <missmbob> !tell micksrv about rufus
• 3597[21:20:01] <micksrv> !rufus
• 3598[21:20:02] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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• 3600[21:20:09] <micksrv> okay
• 3601[21:20:11] <jiggawattz> Does Debian support anything other than AT harddisks?
• 3602[21:20:16] <jiggawattz> replaced-url
• 3603[21:20:22] <jiggawattz> Linus seems to only have that
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• 3606[21:20:42] <greycat> What do you mean by "AT harddisks"?
• 3607[21:20:57] <jiggawattz> as in - not SATA
• 3608[21:21:00] <RoyK> jiggawattz: debian supports most drives
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• 3610[21:21:10] <RoyK> jiggawattz: I have a SAS controller in my home server :P
• 3611[21:21:16] <greycat> Typical modern computers use SATA, but older computers using PATA are also supported.
• 3612[21:21:48] <RoyK> jiggawattz: debian is just linux - linux supports a *lot* of different controllers
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• 3614[21:22:07] <jiggawattz> lol
• 3615[21:22:12] <jiggawattz> I'm just kidding y'all
• 3616[21:22:15] <greycat> That new shiz that some solid state drives use isn't supported in jessie, though.
• 3617[21:22:21] <jiggawattz> Linus' famous post was made 25 years ago tomorrow
• 3618[21:22:29] <jiggawattz> to comp.os.minix
• 3619[21:22:32] <jiggawattz> read it :)
• 3620[21:23:17] <jiggawattz> "PS. Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.
• 3621[21:23:17] <jiggawattz> It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
• 3622[21:23:17] <jiggawattz> will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(. "
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• 3627[21:24:03] <greycat> Well, at that time the other kind was "SCSI".
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• 3630[21:24:50] <jhutchins> jiggawattz: IBM 3090?
• 3631[21:25:01] <jiggawattz> yah baby
• 3632[21:25:09] <fodil> Can I ask a hard question ?
• 3633[21:25:18] <unborn> fodil: bootable windows usb is possible - in a fact I use it since win 7 came out and it works better then dvd
• 3634[21:25:36] <unborn> fodil: but creation is a bit different
• 3635[21:25:36] <greycat> You can ask anything you want, but if it's too hard you won't get useful answers, and if it's off topic we may not like it.
• 3636[21:25:47] <fodil> i never succeded in doing a bootable windows usb
• 3637[21:25:51] <fodil> What causes "init 1" to make Kernel panic ?
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• 3641[21:26:06] <fodil> a Kernel panic*
• 3642[21:26:09] <greycat> "init 1" should take you down to single-user mode if you are on a sysvinit system.
• 3643[21:26:24] <fodil> oh
• 3644[21:26:32] <fodil> it puts me on a runlevel 0 ?
• 3645[21:26:37] <greycat> I don't have a clue what it would do on a systemd system.
• 3646[21:26:51] <fodil> probably the same
• 3647[21:27:08] <greycat> Kernel panic is either a bug or a hardware issue.
• 3648[21:27:16] <unborn> fodil: .. irony is I can create windows bootable usb only on windows cmd heh strange I know but it hey it works
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• 3651[21:28:12] <mar77i> there we go. it's installing.
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• 3657[21:28:43] <fodil> unborn: lol !
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• 3668[21:30:04] <unborn> fodil: its one of those things which works on that faulty os :)
• 3669[21:30:12] <unborn> anyway later all..
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• 3671[21:30:49] <jhutchins> runlevel 0 is halt
• 3672[21:30:54] <fodil> runlevel 1*
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• 3674[21:31:05] <fodil> it's maintenance thing
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• 3678[21:31:36] <fodil> unborn: later ! :p
• 3679[21:31:52] <jhutchins> replaced-url
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• 3685[21:33:18] <fodil> thanks
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• 3705[21:41:30] <FreshDumbledore> hi, easiest way to mount a smartphone on debian? installing one of the tools recommended here? replaced-url
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• 3707[21:41:46] <FreshDumbledore> just want to push some files to the phone
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• 3715[21:43:28] <kalebo> FreshDumbledore: consider using airdroid or something similar (there's some open source ones) to push the files over wifi.
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• 3718[21:43:32] <mrrhq> FreshDumbledore: Plug in a usb cable and use adb push,pull,shell,etc...
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• 3720[21:44:16] <jelly> FreshDumbledore: which OS on the smartphone?
• 3721[21:44:26] <FreshDumbledore> jelly, android
• 3722[21:44:30] <FreshDumbledore> kalebo, interesting approach
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• 3726[21:45:03] <FreshDumbledore> kalebo, both devices are on the same wifi indeed, so this should work
• 3727[21:45:11] <jelly> I use kdeconnect to get files the other way
• 3728[21:45:14] <GitGud> if i dd if from an hdd partition to an iso. then go to another hdd partition and then dd if from the iso to that new partition will that move all data from the first partition to the second partition?
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• 3730[21:46:09] <greycat> Using .iso for your image file name is misleading.
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• 3732[21:46:31] <greycat> First and most importantly, the partition that you copy should either be unmounted, or mounted read-only.
• 3733[21:46:55] <mrrhq> Android Marshmallow via USB lets me choose MTP/PTP mode. Make sure to enable USB Debugging
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• 3735[21:47:38] <greycat> Second, the copying you describe will work (assuming not mounted read-write), but only if the partitions are exactly the same size. And since you would then have two file systems with the same UUID on the same system, you shouldn't try to mount both of them. Or in fact *either* of them, if you are using UUID=... in fstab.
• 3736[21:47:48] <mrrhq> To use adb at least.
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• 3738[21:48:02] <FreshDumbledore> jelly, will go with kdeconnect. i dont understand why i _have_ to give it permission to access my short messages, but airdroid asks permission for pretty much evrything xD
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• 3740[21:48:56] <greycat> Otherwise, if the destination is larger than the source, it will work but the file system won't automatically grow to cover the larger partition. You would have to resize the new file system, if your file system permits such a thing.
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• 3742[21:49:04] <fodil> you should use ADB
• 3743[21:49:11] <greycat> If the destination is smaller, it will not work at all.
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• 3745[21:49:20] <fodil> by enabling USB debugging
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• 3747[21:49:43] <FreshDumbledore> fodil, me?
• 3748[21:50:02] <fodil> FreshDumbledore: yes
• 3749[21:50:23] <FreshDumbledore> fodil, hmm i like the wifi approach. any big advantages of adb? i just want to push media files
• 3750[21:50:43] <FreshDumbledore> no custom-rom installation or similar
• 3751[21:50:47] <GitGud> greycat, assuming the dest is larger. i could use fdisk to make it the same size of the source file system. or may be a small bit bigger, then do the copy yes?
• 3752[21:50:47] <fodil> it's faster than wifi
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• 3754[21:50:55] <jhutchins> FreshDumbledore: It really depends on how the device presents itself. Having an MTP/PTP option is a feature of the device.
• 3755[21:51:12] <FreshDumbledore> jhutchins, mine offers this options when i connect it by cable
• 3756[21:51:25] <fodil> FreshDumbledore: you can use it with a stock ROM
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• 3758[21:51:43] <FreshDumbledore> fodil, just said this to clarify that i only want to transfer media :) i only used adb for custom rom things yet
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• 3761[21:52:06] <jhutchins> FreshDumbledore: So if I understand correctly, you can mount it as external storage, or you can use the photo protocol with a utility.
• 3762[21:53:11] <fodil> FreshDumbledore: MTP is better then, sorry ! :)
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• 3766[21:53:39] <FreshDumbledore> jelly, is there no indicator-kdeconnect package for debian?
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• 3768[21:53:50] <FreshDumbledore> to integrate it to systray?
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• 3774[21:55:27] <mrrhq> FreshDumbledore: If you use a good file manager on Linux, your phone's SD card should show up as a directory, basically
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• 3779[21:57:15] <jelly> FreshDumbledore: hmm, no idea, I _think_ I had it visible in xfce somehow but I may be misremembering
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• 3782[21:59:21] <wryfi> i am trying to backport libsass from yakkety to trusty
• 3783[21:59:30] <wryfi> and it's barfing on something to do with aclocal
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• 3785[21:59:54] <wryfi> it's trying to run `cd . && aclocal-, -Im4 --install --force`
• 3786[22:00:13] <wryfi> obvs aclocal- is not a valid command
• 3787[22:00:35] <jhutchins> wryfi: You want #ubuntu, this is #debian
• 3788[22:00:42] <wryfi> ah crap, you're right
• 3789[22:00:46] <wryfi> sorry jhutchins
• 3790[22:00:57] <jhutchins> wryfi: NP. Good luck.
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• 3796[22:03:46] <gvt> I'm writing a script to install openjdk-8 built from source into alternatives
• 3797[22:03:48] <gvt> replaced-url
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• 3799[22:04:22] <gvt> and I'm not sure if I can just symlink the manpages somewhere in my manpages path
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• 3801[22:04:38] <gvt> I think that link is bad...
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• 3804[22:05:14] <gvt> correct link:
• 3805[22:05:25] <gvt> replaced-url
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• 3808[22:05:47] <LordThumper> Hi, I just installed Debian (testing).
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• 3810[22:06:09] <missmbob> !tell LordThumper about debian-next
• 3811[22:06:11] <LordThumper> I removed the installation USB from the machine, and that is screwing up the booting
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• 3813[22:06:37] <LordThumper> Is it possible to make Grub boot from /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sdc1 ?
• 3814[22:06:50] <missmbob> LordThumper: see what the bot told you
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• 3816[22:07:10] <Senki> expectotr: you made it!
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• 3818[22:07:15] <LordThumper> missmbob: This is a generic linux question, and was wondering if someone is kind enough to help me
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• 3820[22:07:41] <FreshDumbledore> fodil, im trying with adb now, i set my phone to MTP mode and used 'adb devices' but it returns none
• 3821[22:07:46] <jhutchins> LordThumper: Grub wants to be on /dev/sdb, not sdb1
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• 3824[22:07:55] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
• 3825[22:07:55] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 3827[22:08:28] <LordThumper> jhutchins: Thanks I'll try that
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• 3830[22:08:52] <jhutchins> missmbob: We do support testing here, expecially for generic questions; it's just that #debian-next has a higher concentration of testing users and is better at release-specific answers.
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• 3833[22:10:14] <jhutchins> missmbob: Mis-installing grub is not release-specific. (Or distro specific for that matter, although the fix can be different.)
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• 3837[22:10:40] <CodFection> can I install latest or rolling release debian and its packages?
• 3838[22:10:43] <CodFection> using apt get?
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• 3840[22:10:54] <greycat> CodFection: you want "testing". See /msg dpkg debian-next
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• 3842[22:10:59] <jhutchins> CodFection: Debian doesn't really have a rolling release.
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• 3844[22:11:11] <CodFection> no not testing
• 3845[22:11:21] <CodFection> I mean like 4.6 + kernel
• 3846[22:11:34] <CodFection> not 3.* kernel
• 3847[22:11:39] <greycat> If all you want is a newer kernel, use the one in jessie-backports.
• 3848[22:11:59] <CodFection> hmm
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• 3852[22:13:18] <CodFection> I like debian :)
• 3853[22:13:45] <CodFection> was looking for something lighter than ubuntu and more stable than arch
• 3854[22:13:52] <Mathisen> question: i have now 2 more drives in my debian server how do i format them they also get unlocked with same passfrase i do on boot.. im using lvm on system drive.. im new to lvm stuff i never used encryption before on the drives
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• 3863[22:16:01] <Mathisen> or if someone can give me a link to a guide somewhere
• 3864[22:16:22] <pneumatik> anyone know where i can find libvirtd in the repos? the wiki only references libvirt-bin
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• 3870[22:16:58] <jelly> judd: file bin/libvirtd
• 3871[22:17:01] <judd> Search for bin/libvirtd in jessie/amd64: libvirt-daemon: usr/sbin/libvirtd; libvirt0-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/libvirtd
• 3872[22:17:12] <pneumatik> thx
• 3873[22:17:36] <pneumatik> wait a min
• 3874[22:17:40] <pneumatik> it's already installed
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• 3876[22:17:57] <jelly> yay?
• 3877[22:18:01] <pneumatik> when i type "sudo service libvirtd start"
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• 3879[22:18:07] <pneumatik> i get this message
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• 3881[22:18:19] <pneumatik> Job for libvirtd.socket failed. See 'systemctl status libvirtd.socket' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
• 3882[22:18:51] <jelly> you probably want to run those two commands and see if their output contains anything useful?
• 3883[22:19:09] <pneumatik> well then i get replaced-url
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• 3886[22:19:31] <pneumatik> and journalctl -xn says "no journal files were found"
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• 3889[22:20:21] <jelly> pneumatik: mkdir /var/log/journal, reboot, try again?
• 3890[22:20:47] <pneumatik> okay
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• 3893[22:21:12] <jelly> dunno, I think journald ought to keep some runtime logs even if it doesn't have permanent ones
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• 3895[22:22:49] <pneumatik> lol, i didn't want to reboot the entire server just to reboot this one xen vm so i installed xen-tools to reboot it
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• 3898[22:23:15] <pneumatik> now i'm installing 45MB of perl dependencies just to reboot my system :P
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• 3901[22:23:54] <jelly> more perl's always good
• 3902[22:24:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> amazing, considering pulling the plug would have also done it
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• 3905[22:24:43] <pneumatik> this poweredge takes like 5 minutes to boot up and it sounds like an airplane while it's doing it
• 3906[22:24:58] <LordThumper> I think I did something wrong :-(
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• 3908[22:25:40] <greycat> Lots of servers start out running fans at full speed, then reduce speed once they start to get temperature readings.
• 3909[22:25:42] <LordThumper> I booted to rescue mode to fix Grub. I can't mount the ext4 partition. I did lsmod (no ext4) modprobe ext4 (error)
• 3910[22:25:55] <greycat> (Or don't reduce speed, if they get temperature readings of "still hot".)
• 3911[22:26:03] <LordThumper> mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /media/blah is failing (no such defice)
• 3912[22:26:06] <LordThumper> device*
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• 3914[22:26:36] <LordThumper> mmm i'll try to load as ext3
• 3915[22:28:08] <LordThumper> nvm
• 3916[22:28:18] <LordThumper> not sure what to do now
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• 3925[22:31:56] <GitGud> is there software that virtualizes an image file to /dev/something/ ?
• 3926[22:32:01] <GitGud> a dd ifed image
• 3927[22:32:19] <jelly> GitGud: linux calls that a "loopback device"
• 3928[22:32:21] <jelly> yes.
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• 3930[22:32:58] <jelly> mount -o loop /path/to/file.img /mount/point
• 3931[22:33:12] <GitGud> jelly, basically my use case is backing up a file with dd if of to an image file. then later on mounting that on a different computer
• 3932[22:33:20] <GitGud> yeah. dope. thanks jelly
• 3933[22:33:24] <jelly> a filesystem? sure
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• 3935[22:33:33] <GitGud> yeah filesystem
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• 3937[22:33:47] <GitGud> basically dd if=/dev/sda1 of=somefile.image
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• 3939[22:34:04] <GitGud> then later taking that somefile.image to virtualize to an image on another computer
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• 3941[22:35:05] <jelly> it can be a step towards that yeah, but usually one needs a whole disk to boot from not just a filesystem
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• 3943[22:35:42] <GitGud> no i wont be backing up the main one
• 3944[22:35:48] <GitGud> that was just an example
• 3945[22:35:58] <pneumatik> i created the folder and rebooted, it still said no journal files found
• 3946[22:36:03] <GitGud> it will probably be a usb that i will back up like /dev/sdc1 or something
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• 3983[22:53:22] <LordThumper> jhutchins: Fixed, thanks for the help. Appreciated
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• 4009[23:02:09] <pneumatik> so i forgot my root password
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• 4011[23:02:15] <pneumatik> because i'm stupid
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• 4015[23:02:56] <pneumatik> i reset the password with "sudo passwd" and it worked when i did "su"
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• 4017[23:03:15] <pneumatik> but now when i try to ssh into root it says "permission denied (publickey,password)"
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• 4021[23:03:35] <greycat> sshd_config has a special option for whether root is allowed to login at all
• 4022[23:03:42] <greycat> grep PermitRoot /etc/ssh/sshd_config
• 4023[23:03:58] <pneumatik> does that work for dropbear?
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• 4025[23:04:29] <pneumatik> yep it does
• 4026[23:04:31] <greycat> Is that a client or a server?
• 4027[23:04:42] <pneumatik> dropbear is on the server
• 4028[23:04:49] <greycat> Then I have no clue.
• 4029[23:04:51] <Hello71> dropbear is *a* server.
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• 4034[23:06:43] <bipul> I would like to know, what is the difference between user,group,mask and other field from 5 to 11 and 13 to 18 on directory replaced-url
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• 4039[23:07:13] <greycat> that sounds like ACLs
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• 4041[23:07:30] <bipul> greycat, Yes, It is ACL's on directory.
• 4042[23:07:33] <greycat> You can start with "man getfacl" if you have that installed
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• 4044[23:07:51] <greycat> "man 5 acl" for a bit more theoretical stuff
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• 4048[23:08:16] <bipul> greycat, Yes, it is been installed there, but i would love if someone give precise and short answer.
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• 4050[23:09:17] <iqualfragile> hi guys, i want to upgrade from stable to testing, i have kde installed as desktop, sadly just using sudo apt -t testing upgrade results in "unmet dependencies"
• 4051[23:09:22] <greycat> If you could shorten the man page, they would have shortened it.
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• 4054[23:10:00] <bipul> :(
• 4055[23:10:14] <iqualfragile> replaced-url
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• 4057[23:10:19] <missmbob> !tell iqualfragile about debian-next
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• 4060[23:12:01] <iqualfragile> missmbob: can you elaborate on that?
• 4061[23:12:30] <missmbob> iqualfragile: did you read what the bot told you?
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• 4065[23:13:35] <iqualfragile> missmbob: how convenient, just need to join another irc server
• 4066[23:14:06] <iqualfragile> this is not a testing problem, its an dependency resolution problem
• 4067[23:14:21] <missmbob> upgrading to testing and having it burn is a testing problem
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• 4071[23:15:31] <LordThumper> someone is angry
• 4072[23:16:10] <LordThumper> missmbob: Why dont you go to #debian-next and stay there?
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• 4074[23:16:17] <pingfloyd> "you break it, you get to keep both pieces" <-- the mantra of testing and unstable.
• 4075[23:16:22] <LordThumper> Or shall I tell the bot to tell you that?
• 4076[23:16:36] <missmbob> i'm not on testing. i'm on /topic
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• 4078[23:17:10] <greycat> pingfloyd: "if it breaks", since the breaking may not be caused by the user in this case
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• 4080[23:17:25] <greycat> or "when it breaks"
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• 4082[23:17:33] <iqualfragile> its not broken
• 4083[23:17:37] <iqualfragile> im about to break it
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• 4086[23:18:00] <iqualfragile> but i want to know if there is an easier way besides uninstalling 90% of the kde desktop and later reinstalling it
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• 4100[23:23:51] <sharkman> how do i get the web cam on my computer to take a picture?
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• 4108[23:26:29] <iqualfragile> sharkman: scanimage on the command line
• 4109[23:26:33] <iflema> use cheese? Are you running gnome?, sharkman
• 4110[23:26:36] <iqualfragile> cheese or vlc for gui
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• 4112[23:27:05] <iflema> yeah vlc fullscreen printscreen
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• 4118[23:27:44] <iqualfragile> iflema: actually vlc has a built in snapshot hotkey
• 4119[23:28:04] <iflema> iqualfragile: dosnt suprise me... i luv the ZOOM =)
• 4120[23:29:08] <iflema> great for those motosport "broadcasts"
• 4121[23:29:19] <rei_> exit
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• 4125[23:29:50] * iflema except the buffering thing
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• 4127[23:30:18] <sharkman> okay cheese looks good thanks. i have vlc already i dont even see how to take pics with it
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• 4131[23:31:16] <Helter> hello
• 4132[23:31:23] <iflema> o/
• 4133[23:31:28] <Helter> 'sup
• 4134[23:31:43] <iflema> eggs or spaghetti?
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• 4136[23:31:56] <Helter> spaghetti
• 4137[23:32:02] * iflema scrambled, toast and tom sauce...
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• 4139[23:32:07] <sharkman> where does cheese save files on debian
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• 4141[23:32:19] <Helter> so what de are you guys using
• 4142[23:32:25] <greycat> Debian
• 4143[23:32:32] <Helter> what
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• 4145[23:32:43] <Helter> but which DE
• 4146[23:32:46] <greycat> None.
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• 4148[23:32:55] <Helter> i'm currently using xfce4
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• 4150[23:33:01] <Helter> so are you using terminal?
• 4151[23:33:07] <Helter> for all of your jobs
• 4152[23:33:11] <greycat> Nope. Standard X session with a standard window manager.
• 4153[23:33:17] <Helter> thats cool
• 4154[23:33:28] <Helter> what client are you using for irc
• 4155[23:33:40] <greycat> !polls
• 4156[23:33:41] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
• 4157[23:34:02] <LordThumper> What is the command to search for package?
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• 4159[23:34:14] <greycat> apt-cache search, or apt search
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• 4161[23:34:17] <LordThumper> Here
• 4162[23:34:19] <LordThumper> the bot
• 4163[23:34:28] <greycat> By what? A filename?
• 4164[23:34:34] <LordThumper> Package name
• 4165[23:34:36] <LordThumper> I guess
• 4166[23:34:42] <LordThumper> mediainfo
• 4167[23:34:47] <greycat> Why would you use a bot for that when you can use apt search locally...
• 4168[23:35:01] <LordThumper> I can't find it on testing
• 4169[23:35:07] <LordThumper> But it's there on stable and unstable
• 4170[23:35:09] <LordThumper> For some reason
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• 4172[23:35:16] <greycat> And what is the package name?
• 4173[23:35:20] <LordThumper> mediainfo
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• 4175[23:35:22] <greycat> ,v mediainfo
• 4176[23:35:23] <judd> Package: mediainfo on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.58-1; jessie: 0.7.70-1; sid: 0.7.84-1
• 4177[23:35:28] <LordThumper> thanks
• 4178[23:35:29] <LordThumper> see?
• 4179[23:35:29] <greycat> So you weren't SEARCHING at all. You already knew the name.
• 4180[23:35:45] <greycat> !why isn't mediainfo in testing
• 4181[23:35:45] <dpkg> mediainfo is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 4186[23:37:12] <LordThumper> mm
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• 4188[23:37:16] <LordThumper> What do you suggest greycat?
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• 4192[23:37:34] <LordThumper> Switch to unstable?
• 4193[23:37:42] <greycat> I suggest reading that web page, then I suggest asking the TESTING SUPPORT CHANNEL which is not here.
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• 4196[23:37:53] <LordThumper> Will do that
• 4197[23:37:54] <LordThumper> Sorry
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• 4200[23:38:21] <greycat> (The web page believes it's in testing, so I don't know what to think, but I'm sure the #debian-next people can help.)
• 4201[23:38:38] <LordThumper> #debian-next is kinda dead
• 4202[23:38:40] <LordThumper> but ill try
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• 4231[23:50:33] <mar77i> that went fast and painless once I figured out that this laptop would die of a heat stroke running off x86
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• 4233[23:51:31] <mar77i> with amd64, everything went smoothly and without temperature spikes. and also
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• 4235[23:51:53] <mar77i> I never saw an ssd chug through apt-get dist-upgrade to testing this fast. :D
• 4236[23:52:20] <mar77i> 1k packages in about 10 minutes. just imagine.
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• 4241[23:54:07] <Waxhead> Hi, I just toasted a laptop with btrfs (two disk in raid1 for metadata + data). Grub fails to boot with unknown filesystem. I can chroot to the filesystem from a rescue cd. Is there some way I can chroot in , move the boot partition to for example a sdcard (that is also in the laptop) and fire up the system from that? or is grub2 in debian testing not as up to date as the filesystem ?
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