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• 14[00:09:59] <oxek> Is the bug "It rarely shows contents of current directory" desribed at replaced-url
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• 42[00:41:34] <Johann> just a joke
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• 57[00:49:59] <hyiltiz> I have ipv4 address from the Wifi router, but can only connect to sites thru ipv6 (ping mit.edu only goes thru ipv6, and traceroute shows only the router). Flushed DNS and even rebooted twice. None solved.
• 58[00:49:59] <hyiltiz> Happened (could be coincidence) while/after using Tor Browser.
• 59[00:49:59] <hyiltiz> System proxy settings are No Proxy. Any ideas?
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• 81[01:09:34] <Thedarkb-Desktop> Hello, I'm trying to get proprietary AMD GPU drivers on Debian.
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• 83[01:10:08] <quadrathoch2> Thedarkb-Desktop and why?
• 84[01:10:34] <Thedarkb-Desktop> I'm having issues with game compatibility with the free drivers.
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• 86[01:12:45] <quadrathoch2> Thedarkb-Desktop and what gpu do you have?
• 87[01:13:26] <Thedarkb-Desktop> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian 10.3 • CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor (1.37GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.2 GiB Total (13.8 GiB Free) Swap: 15.6 GiB Total (15.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 220.4 GB / 367.3 GB (146.8 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Pitcairn XT [Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] GeForce GTS 450 • Uptime: 1h 12m 58s
• 88[01:14:24] <quadrathoch2> that gpu shouldn't even have closed source drivers
• 89[01:14:27] <quadrathoch2> Thedarkb-Desktop
• 90[01:14:40] <Thedarkb-Desktop> Hm, really.
• 91[01:14:54] <Thedarkb-Desktop> I've got an issue with Source engine games freezing in the menu.
• 92[01:15:13] <Thedarkb-Desktop> I've got an R9 SFF card that doesn't do that, which is a bit odd.
• 93[01:15:14] <quadrathoch2> weird, as I have a 7770 that works perfectly fine
• 94[01:15:27] <Thedarkb-Desktop> Which packages do you have installed?
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• 96[01:16:46] <quadrathoch2> steam, mesa-vulkan-driver, mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386 and normal mesa stuff (because of winehq-staging) but can't remember which would be useful for steam Thedarkb-Desktop
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• 106[01:22:10] <tharkun> sney, jhutchins: Thanks you both had a little bit of truth on your statements. I finally found a way to configure it but I have yet to find out how to print from my laptop.
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• 109[01:25:14] <Thedarkb-Desktop> quadrathoch2, Installed those and rebooted, CS:GO is still black screening, unfortunately.
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• 111[01:26:35] <Thedarkb-Desktop> Oooh, it's segfaulting.
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• 113[01:27:00] <quadrathoch2> give me a sec, installing csgo Thedarkb-Desktop
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• 115[01:27:21] <Thedarkb-Desktop> Thank you :)
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• 117[01:27:36] <Thedarkb-Desktop> I think the segfault is libcurl related.
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• 120[01:30:38] <Thedarkb-Desktop> quadrathoch2, You won't believe this, but it's fixed.
• 121[01:30:48] <Thedarkb-Desktop> The CS:GO update fixed it.
• 122[01:30:58] <quadrathoch2> lol :)
• 123[01:31:07] <tharkun> sney, jhutchins: Working as a charm. I o you both some coffee when you are free and available. Thanks for your time and effort.
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• 126[01:31:57] <Thedarkb-Desktop> Thank you for the help.
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• 130[01:33:01] <JordiGH> If a new Firefox ESR gets released now, will it go into Debian stable or do we have to wait for another Debian release to get a new Firefox ESR?
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• 133[01:33:51] <quadrathoch2> JordiGH the last few times it was getting into stable after the last release of the old esr
• 134[01:35:06] <JordiGH> Well, I've got a bug on Firefox 68 that Mozilla won't fix.
• 135[01:35:22] <JordiGH> So I guess I'm either stuck doing my own backport or waiting, right?
• 136[01:35:35] <JordiGH> They think Firefox 68 is only used by "enterprises".
• 137[01:35:36] <quadrathoch2> JordiGH you could dl firefox directly from mozilla
• 138[01:36:13] <JordiGH> "dl firefox directly" is not why I use Debian.
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• 140[01:36:36] <JordiGH> I hate having binaries lying around that I forget where they came from and that apt/dpkg doesn't report upon.
• 141[01:36:52] <JordiGH> I guess I'll just do my own backport.
• 142[01:37:02] <quadrathoch2> JordiGH shrug so you would need to wait till debian pushes the newer version
• 143[01:37:10] <JordiGH> They don't want to fix the bug in the next ESR either, afaict.
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• 145[01:39:09] <quadrathoch2> JordiGH oO okay, what bug are we talking about?
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• 147[01:39:28] <JordiGH> Oh, wait, they do want to fix it in the newer ESR, I misread, sorry.
• 148[01:39:31] <JordiGH> replaced-url
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• 156[01:46:53] <quadrathoch2> JordiGH yeah it's weird imho to talk about 78 normal and 78esr oO.
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• 176[02:08:14] <dob1> someone recognize this resource monitor service replaced-url
• 177[02:08:34] <dob1> sorry for the OT
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• 182[02:13:32] <abrotman> dob1: I want to say cacti, but there
• 183[02:13:38] <abrotman> there are a few that look similar
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• 185[02:14:02] <abrotman> cacti.net if you want to look
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• 188[02:16:02] <dob1> abrotman, or mrtg
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• 190[02:16:24] <dob1> but it seems the one you suggested
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• 201[02:27:08] <ebisu> How do I add grub options in the installer boot
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• 212[02:49:28] <karlpinc> JordiGH: My understanding is that the debian security team gave up on trying to backport security fixes into a single stable debian firefox release and instead are going with whatever is ESR for firefox.
• 213[02:49:54] <JordiGH> Which can mean an ESR version jump from 68 to 78?
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• 215[02:54:51] <annadane> or whatever the next esr one is, yes; although debian doesn't use new esr versions as soon as they become available, they only switch when the current one becomes fully unsupported
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• 222[03:00:36] <RoyK> JordiGH: Debian is generally quite conservative and the maintainers usually choose to backport fixes instead of upgrading to a new version with all the bugs that come with it, and there are always some
• 223[03:01:25] <JordiGH> RoyK: Not for Firefox, backporting changes became unmanageable, especially since I think it's basically Mike doing all the work.
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• 225[03:01:44] <RoyK> JordiGH: oh
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• 227[03:01:57] <JordiGH> annadane: Sigh, I think Mozilla already thinks the current is unsupported because they won't backport my fix to it. I just hope Debian agrees it's unsupported.
• 228[03:01:58] <RoyK> JordiGH: thanks - didn't know that
• 229[03:02:15] <JordiGH> I guess I could do my own backport.
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• 235[03:17:57] <annadane> browsers suck :P chromium is breaking in debian, ff-esr is okay but has the limitations of esr and the new firefox has a bunch of dumb things like the address bar behavior
• 236[03:18:43] <dvs> address bar behavior?
• 237[03:19:47] <annadane> one click highlights the whole thing (yet doesn't put it into the paste buffer)
• 238[03:20:25] <dvs> Oh, that is a bit annoying. FF assumes that you want to enter a new address.
• 239[03:20:55] <JordiGH> I don't think I've ever been happy with a Firefox upgrade.
• 240[03:20:59] <somiaj> JordiGH: debian will eventually update to the newer esr (78 it seems) but they will once 68 support is fully dropped and there are know security bugs that are fixed in the new esr.
• 241[03:20:59] <JordiGH> At least not in the UI.
• 242[03:21:06] <JordiGH> Well, the awesomebar was indeed awesome.
• 243[03:21:25] <somiaj> there is often a 3month overlap between the new esr release and dropping support for the old one, and debian lags that based on security needs
• 244[03:21:28] <JordiGH> somiaj: Debian stable, right?
• 245[03:21:31] <somiaj> correct
• 246[03:21:55] <somiaj> but debian will only upgrade when security vulns require it (which happens with browsers all the time)
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• 2200[06:27:27] <kreyren> > * Cannot join #debian (User limit reached)
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• 2202[06:27:33] <kreyren> ping themill assuming op
• 2203[06:27:48] <themill> it's clearly not a problem given that you just joined?
• 2204[06:28:09] <kreyren> themill, i had to wait for like 30 mins to be able to join O.o
• 2205[06:28:13] <Abrax> netsplit broke stuff
• 2206[06:28:21] <themill> welcome to splitnode
• 2207[06:28:29] <Abrax> that is all of irc though
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• 2209[06:28:29] <Melody\Flygon> netsplits do that aye
• 2210[06:28:41] * kreyren is even more confused
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• 2212[06:28:55] <Melody\Flygon> any particular reason there's a bot on the join-throttle?
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• 2216[06:29:30] <themill> Melody\Flygon: same reason you have greylisting on email
• 2217[06:29:38] <themill> Not enough spammers on fire.
• 2218[06:29:58] <user4> spammers just call your house now
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• 2221[06:30:29] <Melody\Flygon> aye spammers are a bane
• 2222[06:31:15] <Melody\Flygon> Bot could probably use some netsplit detection netcode to take a different set of actions during a split
• 2223[06:31:16] <Melody\Flygon> XD
• 2224[06:31:59] <themill> It does but when there are several splits in a row it can't necessarily figure out when they are finished
• 2225[06:32:29] <Melody\Flygon> Oh? that was multiple splits then? Oof. musta been a hub drop
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• 2234[06:38:49] <bigMouthCommie> i turned on compiz in deb10 running xfce and it adds some cool features. but unfortunately if i want to stop using it, i lose my window decorations. how do i get them back, and is there a way to make tilda do transparency like the other terminal?
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• 2238[06:39:47] <user4> take some lsd
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• 2240[06:41:11] <bigMouthCommie> user4: on topic, please.
• 2241[06:41:39] <user4> sorry
• 2242[06:41:56] <bigMouthCommie> user4: /join #debian-offtopic
• 2243[06:42:07] <bigMouthCommie> y'know... for other discussions
• 2244[06:42:23] <user4> All good. thankyou for the warning
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• 2286[07:26:17] <kreyren> Is there anything on debian that can't be done on gentoo/archlinux or exherbo linux? See replaced-url
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• 2306[07:54:04] <xvilka> Hi! I found also the bug in the latest HP PA-RISC debian port (10.0.0) - where do I report it? I get it's unofficial/discontinued, so is it the main bugtracker or something else?
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• 2446[10:03:47] <xvilka> Hi! I found also the bug in the latest HP PA-RISC debian port (10.0.0) - where do I report it? I get it's unofficial/discontinued, so is it the main bugtracker or something else?
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• 2454[10:15:56] <ratrace> !tell xvilka about bts
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• 2461[10:23:36] <dudzJobPlease> hi, Desperate man looking to be hired from Sydney/Australia for upwards of $23AUD/hour Full-Time, I live in the Sutherland Shire, 35 years old male, 110KG.
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• 2475[10:29:53] <RoyK> ratrace, xvilka: I don't think submitting a bug for that will help a lot replaced-url
• 2476[10:30:18] <RoyK> xvilka: is there really a debian 10 for pa-risc?
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• 2478[10:32:04] <EdePopede> that's the nearest thing i found replaced-url
• 2479[10:32:17] <EdePopede> looks like they're on 10.0 with debian
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• 2485[10:37:29] <KOLANICH> Hi. Please check python3-nacl and python3-cryptography. On Ubuntu 20.04 it says that they are built for python 3.7
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• 2488[10:40:57] <RoyK> hm… spam?
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• 2490[10:43:25] <EdePopede> maybe "did ubuntu break it or debian?"
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• 2493[10:45:39] <EdePopede> judd where are thou!
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• 2550[11:44:30] <cusco> hello... what dev package provides "pg_encoding_to_char" ?
• 2551[11:44:57] <cusco> googling shows that should be libpq-dev
• 2552[11:45:00] <xvilka> pg usually means postgres
• 2553[11:45:15] <cusco> yes I need a postgres sql driver in asterisk...
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• 2556[11:53:16] <cusco> so I have installed libpq-dev and postgresql-server-dev-all but still not finding pg_encoding_to_char
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• 2793[13:45:26] <oxek> is it safe yet to use btrfs in debian stable for my home machine? No raid involved.
• 2794[13:45:48] <oxek> I currently use ext4 and am planning a new installation
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• 2799[13:56:26] <diogenes_> oxek, i personally don't recommend BTRFS for anything especially home use.
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• 2803[13:59:46] <oxek> diogenes_: can you tell me (very briefly if you want) your reasoning for it? I am looking to learn.
• 2804[14:01:45] <diogenes_> oxek, because i have a very sad experience with it, losing the date, getting the partition corrupted to the point of non recoverable and also, if you apply for any help with BTRFS related issues, you won't find any experts in it, RHEL even duped it long ago.
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• 2807[14:05:30] <oxek> yeah I guess that's fair
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• 2810[14:05:40] <oxek> so ext4 then?
• 2811[14:06:02] <diogenes_> oxek, i've never had a single issue with ext4.
• 2812[14:06:14] <diogenes_> so it's a swiss knife reliable.
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• 2814[14:06:31] <oxek> I've had issues with ext4 but they were all my own fault
• 2815[14:06:56] <diogenes_> then the issues were not with ext4 :)
• 2816[14:07:02] <oxek> indeed :)
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• 2822[14:14:21] <harski> I've had significan amount of trouble with trying to boot from btrfs partition
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• 2824[14:14:36] <harski> For data store it worked fine, but I don't use it anymore either
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• 2826[14:15:28] <harski> But fwiw, I heard Fedora 33 is considering makind btrfs the default filesystem
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• 2829[14:16:55] <quadrathoch2> I can only vouch for btrfs, but as I don't know the state of btrfs in 4.19, I didn't say anything. And as openSUSE is using it for years, sounds like it should also work on older kernels (within reasonable time)
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• 2834[14:19:11] <diogenes_> quadrathoch2, ask microchip_ about BTRFS in #suse :)
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• 2838[14:22:51] <oxek> yeah it always worries me that debian-stable uses an old kernel, and btrfs always has fixes in newer kernels
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• 2841[14:24:03] <oxek> I guess btrfs would probably not be for me anyway, because my setup is complicated - I use cryptsetup on ssd and I doubt btrfs has been tested a lot in this combination.
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• 2843[14:24:44] <oxek> plus I'd use subvolumes for /tmp /home /var and others which would make it even more esoteric and untested under btrfs
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• 2849[14:36:57] <numbie> how do i find out which tumblerd is keeping my usb mounted
• 2850[14:38:36] <numbie> nevermind
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• 2856[14:46:20] <quadrathoch2> oxek, idk, I have a similar setup, and working nice on fedora *shrug*
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• 2860[14:56:38] <oxek> quadrathoch2: fedora always uses the most up-to-date kernel though, compared to debian
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• 2863[14:58:49] <quadrathoch2> oxek that's why I said, idk how well 4.19 works. but you could theoretically still install the backports kernel
• 2864[14:59:08] <quadrathoch2> and that's why I didn't say anything for using btrfs
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• 2875[15:10:11] <IvI4x> VLC, MPV shut down with 'segmentation error' when starting videos, and steam does the same when it's supposed to show its login screen
• 2876[15:10:23] <IvI4x> I'm not sure how to start troubleshooting with so little to go on
• 2877[15:10:27] <IvI4x> any tips?
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• 2880[15:11:03] <b1ack0p> IvI4x: while streaming video url?
• 2881[15:11:17] <IvI4x> no, local files
• 2882[15:11:28] <IvI4x> firefox streams videos fine
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• 2888[15:12:23] <b1ack0p> let me test on mine
• 2889[15:12:45] <b1ack0p> my versions are :
• 2890[15:12:47] <b1ack0p> mpv 0.29.1
• 2891[15:13:02] <b1ack0p> VLC media player 3.0.11
• 2892[15:13:57] <IvI4x> well since 3 different programs are having issues, I'm guessing there's an issue with my X server or graphics drivers, and not the programs themselves
• 2893[15:14:25] <IvI4x> apt show mpv
• 2894[15:14:29] <IvI4x> lol, sorry
• 2895[15:14:53] <b1ack0p> both playing well
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• 2897[15:15:58] <b1ack0p> maybe you remove mpv vlc and reinstall them?
• 2898[15:16:10] <b1ack0p> check if you are getting any error on systemd logs or dmesg ?
• 2899[15:16:39] <IvI4x> will do
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• 2902[15:17:19] <b1ack0p> only issue i have is with youtube-dl
• 2903[15:17:34] <b1ack0p> debian install version is 2019 something which is not up to date
• 2904[15:17:55] <b1ack0p> and it doesnt let me update which is not allowed by distro
• 2905[15:18:35] <IvI4x> I started having issues with youtube-dl, but now more or less everything isn't working. I'm pretty sure it's on my computer though since I've installed a bunch of stuff I don't really understand
• 2906[15:18:41] <b1ack0p> oh it shows up to date now :O
• 2907[15:18:50] <b1ack0p> youtube-dl is up-to-date (2020.06.16.1)
• 2908[15:18:55] <b1ack0p> when and how did it updated?
• 2909[15:19:01] <b1ack0p> yesterday i was getting error
• 2910[15:19:10] <IvI4x> lol, computer magic
• 2911[15:19:20] <b1ack0p> -U command worked this time :p
• 2912[15:23:04] <IvI4x> so /var/log/syslog does give a bit more info on the segfault
• 2913[15:23:14] <IvI4x> Jul 10 15:21:39 debianLaptop kernel: [11672.687536] mpv/vo[13763]: segfault at 24 ip 00007f193ec41ecb sp 00007f1945de1b80 error 6 in iris_dri.so[7f193e158000+e13000]
• 2914[15:23:34] <IvI4x> Jul 10 15:21:39 debianLaptop kernel: [11672.687542] Code:
• 2915[15:23:41] <IvI4x> and then lots of hex
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• 2918[15:25:24] <IvI4x> think I have to start a C++ debugger to figure out what's happening. Wonder if I can do that when I don't even know what program is having a stroke
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• 2920[15:25:37] <b1ack0p> maybe just mpv corrupted
• 2921[15:25:38] <IvI4x> maybe it's time to nuke&pave again
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• 2923[15:25:45] <b1ack0p> remove it and reinstall maybe
• 2924[15:25:53] <mvaenskae> i have also been getting a rather troublesome amount of segfaults but with chromium -- they didn't appear until the day i upgrades ffmpeg and co yesterday
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• 2927[15:26:53] <mvaenskae> not sure if this is related to the issues directly but i saw some things related to websites such as youtube elevating the issues
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• 2938[15:27:42] <b1ack0p> how can i change this to 480p ? ytdl-format=18/hls-480-0/hls-380-0/480p/http-360p/best
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• 2940[15:27:53] <b1ack0p> default
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• 3010[16:17:26] <no_gravity> What is a good way to wget a zip and unzip it in one go, so only the unzipped version touches the disk?
• 3011[16:17:57] * no_gravity tries "wget -O - <url> | unzip" .. fingers crossed ...
• 3012[16:18:15] <no_gravity> Fail :)
• 3013[16:19:48] <nkuttler> unzip -
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• 3015[16:20:48] <no_gravity> nkuttler: Hmm.. that does not work either
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• 3018[16:22:06] <karlpinc> no_gravity: What's the error?
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• 3020[16:22:52] <no_gravity> karlpinc: Cannot write to ‘-’ (Success)
• 3021[16:23:12] <no_gravity> karlpinc: unzip seeks around in the file I think. So it might not be possible with a pipe.
• 3022[16:23:28] <karlpinc> The zip utilities do generally suck.
• 3023[16:24:03] <ruffni> i'm having trouble installing wireguard on 10.04.. do i need buster-backports to work with the buster distribution?
• 3024[16:24:09] <karlpinc> no_gravity: You could try: ... | unzip /dev/stdin
• 3025[16:24:20] <no_gravity> karlpinc: unzip seeks around in the file I think. So it might not be possible with a pipe.
• 3026[16:24:46] <mvaenskae> no_gravity: according to the manpage: Archives read from standard input are not yet supported, except with funzip (and then only the first member of the archive can be extracted).
• 3027[16:24:47] <karlpinc> no_gravity: If that's the case you'd need to write to a ramfs if you don't want to hit the disk.
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• 3029[16:25:06] <realtime-neil> no_gravity: wget -O- $URL | (tmpzip=$(mktemp); cat >$tmpzip; unzip $tmpzip)
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• 3032[16:26:02] <no_gravity> realtime-neil: Well yeah .. depending on where /tmp/ is that *might* play out in ram. But then its easier to just write the zip to disk, unzip and delete it.
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• 3034[16:26:38] <realtime-neil> no_gravity: you can delete the temporary at the end of the subshell
• 3035[16:26:40] <karlpinc> ruffni: Yes. (And it's not clear to me what kernel version is needed either. I'd be curious if you need a kernel from backports.)
• 3036[16:27:01] <mvaenskae> no_gravity: stackexchange also lists this as an option where another decompressor can maybe work with it replaced-url
• 3037[16:27:21] <no_gravity> mvaenskae: Yeah, but I like to keep with the most standard tools.
• 3038[16:27:36] <no_gravity> So "wget <url>; unzip file; rm file" it be.
• 3039[16:27:43] <mvaenskae> no_gravity: libarchive sounds pretty standard to me
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• 3041[16:28:16] <karlpinc> no_gravity: To delete the zip file you'd probably write a script that "does it all" and traps to run a function that deletes the zip file on exit. That's safest.
• 3042[16:28:30] <no_gravity> karlpinc: yup
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• 3045[16:30:05] <karlpinc> no_gravity: Or the easy way is to write to /tmp and let some tmp reaper clean up the zip file, eventually. :)
• 3046[16:31:15] <mvaenskae> every day you learn something new :) thanks for mentioning traps to do a proper cleanup
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• 3050[16:36:37] <ruffni> so installing wireguard on buster failes due to "ipv6_dst_lookup_flow" not being a member of ipv6_stub.. is there an official way to get it working or should i just redefine it to ipv6_dst_lookup (as some hack on reddit suggests)?
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• 3060[16:44:14] <ruffni> it's just odd, since i installed wireguard and ran it on a 10.3 machine and did not run into such problems...
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• 3066[16:52:44] <debron> hello guys. When I am starting my system, there appears several errors, all I can read is ACPI, because after that, it follow all the [ok] messages
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• 3068[16:52:57] <debron> where could I find this errors loged somewhere?
• 3069[16:53:22] <ruffni> just type `dmesg' as root
• 3070[16:53:29] <debron> thanks
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• 3074[16:57:26] <debron> Bios error, could not resolve ... AE_NOT_FOUND
• 3075[16:58:06] <debron> SB/SAT/PTnºxxxx
• 3076[16:58:20] <debron> something with the SATA in the BIOS
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• 3078[16:59:14] <debron> 3 ports, same number of sata disks pluged to the MB
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• 3092[17:12:06] <ruffni> how do i figure out which exact kernel version i'm running? eg 4.19.0-5 vs 4.19.0-9? uname -r hides the last part.
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• 3095[17:13:19] <RoyK> ruffni: uname -a
• 3096[17:13:24] <avu> ruffni: uname -v
• 3097[17:13:43] <avu> ruffni: you could have just tried the few options in uname(1) :)
• 3098[17:14:21] <ruffni> yes. as stated before, uname doesn't show what comes after the hyphen (-)
• 3099[17:14:50] <avu> ruffni: it does for me with -v
• 3100[17:15:38] <ruffni> avu: for me it only shows "#1 SMP Mon Dec 9 19:36:21 MSK 2019"
• 3101[17:15:49] <ruffni> i'm on a VPS..
• 3102[17:15:55] <avu> ruffni: what version of Debian are you running?
• 3103[17:16:00] <ruffni> 10.4
• 3104[17:16:08] <dvs> ruffni, ls /boot
• 3105[17:16:10] <avu> ruffni: ah, if you're in some sort of container, this might be different
• 3106[17:16:34] <avu> ruffni: what's `cat /proc/version` say?
• 3107[17:16:40] <ruffni> /boot is empty
• 3108[17:16:53] <dvs> hmph
• 3109[17:16:55] <jhutchins> Then you're not really running Debian.
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• 3111[17:17:07] <ruffni> avu: pretty much the same as uname
• 3112[17:17:31] <avu> ruffni: don't think you're going to get more. Ask the person running the actual OS on that machine if you need to know
• 3113[17:17:46] <ruffni> ok, thanks
• 3114[17:18:14] <jhutchins> If you're not running on actual hardware things like BIOS errors in the kernel are to be expected.
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• 3124[17:24:26] <BCMM> what's the modern way to run a simple command after boot on a debian system with systemd?
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• 3126[17:25:54] <BCMM> (i'm currently loading the ddcci-backlight kernel module from /etc/modules, and i'm pretty sure it's loading before the monitor is actually ready, so i'm trying to load it later)
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• 3130[17:29:58] <jhutchins> !rc-local
• 3131[17:30:42] <jhutchins> !ping
• 3132[17:30:42] <dpkg> Sorry jhutchins, you're not online.
• 3133[17:30:53] <jhutchins> dpkg: rc-local
• 3134[17:30:53] <dpkg> jhutchins: have you tried replaced-url
• 3135[17:31:27] <jhutchins> BCMM: Check the manpage for rc-local.
• 3136[17:31:35] <jhutchins> I thought we had a factoid...
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• 3138[17:31:51] <BCMM> jhutchins: cool, didn't realise that was still a thing with systemd
• 3139[17:31:55] <jmcnaught> !rc.local
• 3140[17:31:55] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch or newer you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
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• 3142[17:32:10] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: THanks.
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• 3144[17:32:34] <BCMM> relatedly, does that seem like a reasonable solution (assuming that the problem really is teh module loading to early)?
• 3145[17:32:52] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: It's part of the compatibility layer. There's a way to do it with pure systemd too, but it's a bit more complicated.
• 3146[17:33:06] <BCMM> can't seem to find the manpage, though (rc.local or rc-local)
• 3147[17:33:12] <jmcnaught> I didn't write the factoid
• 3148[17:33:26] <annadane> . dpkg may not combine ! and - well
• 3149[17:33:30] <annadane> !buster-backports
• 3150[17:33:30] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
• 3151[17:33:32] <annadane> never mind
• 3152[17:33:44] <jhutchins> BCMM: Well, now you're getting into tweaking the properties of the systemd service files to say "wait for this to complete before starting".
• 3153[17:33:58] <RoyK> Better create a systemd job or if lazy, well, there's the possibility of creating a cron job '@reboot /some/script'
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• 3155[17:34:00] <annadane> oh, wait. the tldp message is a stock "i don't have a factoid for you" thing
• 3156[17:34:03] <BCMM> jhutchins: well, i'm not going to do that for module loading in general...
• 3157[17:34:46] <BCMM> ok, assuming i basically just want it to happen before the DM loads, but as late as possible otherwise, what's the systemd way?
• 3158[17:35:00] <RoyK> use systemd
• 3159[17:35:22] <BCMM> (i'm also wondering if i should just file a bug with the ddcci-dkms package, because this used to "just work")
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• 3161[17:37:10] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 3165[17:43:30] <mrtnt> Is it safe to copy LVM logical device(a block special device according to file command; used as an HDD for running VM) to a remote server like this: "dd bs=1M if=/dev/dm-20 | ssh -C backup-server dd bs=1M of=vm_root_part.img"?
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• 3171[17:44:57] <RoyK> mnemonic: I would have used a file copy instead if it's mountable
• 3172[17:45:06] <RoyK> mrtnt: erm - that was for you
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• 3174[17:45:34] <RoyK> mrtnt: some sort of backup software, perhaps?
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• 3178[17:46:48] <BCMM> ... are reporters not automatically subscribed to bugs that they file?
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• 3180[17:47:08] <BCMM> is there a setting in reportbug to get subscribed when you report, or do you have to just subscribe after you get teh confirmation email?
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• 3182[17:48:11] <RoyK> BCMM: IIRC you're automatically subscribed when you submitted it
• 3183[17:48:30] <mrtnt> RoyK: it's a one time thing. At first I tried with scp, but this doesn't work because /dev/dm-20 is not a regular file. I guess reading it with dd and piping to ssh should be safe, but I haven't done this for block device which is in live use.
• 3184[17:49:22] <BCMM> RoyK: oh this is odd, i seem to be getting emails for one bug but not for a different bug. both filed relatively recently.
• 3185[17:49:37] <BCMM> maybe i need to check my spam folder or something. is the cc list on a bug public?
• 3186[17:49:51] <BCMM> sorry, i'm being a total noob about this because i'm used to buzilla
• 3187[17:50:30] <RoyK> mrtnt: Why do you want to copy the whole image file instead of the files inside it?
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• 3189[17:51:32] <mrtnt> RoyK: it is a virtual HDD for a virtual machine and I wan't to use this HDD in another server
• 3190[17:52:43] <RoyK> mrtnt: understandable, but still, wouldn't it be easier to install some backup software in the VM and then have that backup itself to a destination?
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• 3192[17:52:56] <RoyK> it'll save a lot of space too
• 3193[17:53:05] <RoyK> and make incremental backups work
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• 3198[17:57:29] <RoyK> mrtnt: and will work during run hours. copying an image file without downing the vm can be rather risky, since the backup can contain different states for different times, which will vary, obviously, since it takes some time to do the backup
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• 3202[17:59:46] <BCMM> yeah, VM or otherwise, don't do a block-level copy (dd) of a filesystem that is mounted
• 3203[18:00:34] <BCMM> because it will not be consistent. in fact, it won't even be inconsistent in ways that the filesystem developers have anticipated, so who even knows what fsck will do?
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• 3205[18:01:02] <BCMM> (since it's *not* just frozen in one moment in time like it would be if you'd just pulled the plug)
• 3206[18:01:05] <RoyK> BCMM: total fsckup ;)
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• 3212[18:06:39] <jhutchins> mrtnt: You should be able to shut the VM down and locate the file that is the virtual disk, then just copy that file.
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• 3214[18:07:13] <mrtnt> BCMM, RoyK, jhutchins: ok, thanks! I'll shut down the VM.
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• 3217[18:08:02] <BCMM> still seems like more trouble than just, like, rsyncing the contents, but definitely better than doing it live
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