64[01:27:30] <queip> indeed, can you remind me? on any card
(e.g. on Intel), can one get even basic Xorg desktop, with only pure
main repository of debian stable? or, any plans for it....?? regular
VGA/VESA should work with no firmware afaik....
65[01:28:05] <queip> roger21: change to user and run command
"startx" "startx xfce4" "xfce4start"
and such. Probably you will need to install drivers as above; check
also dmesg, /var/log/* (by time)
66[01:28:07] <abrotman> There isn't firmware for intel
graphics I odn't think ?
67[01:28:26] <abrotman> roger21: how are you installing X? Did
you install a display manager?
173[02:15:07] <Aurora_v_kosmose> How do I make user-slices
enforce memory limits?
174[02:15:40] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I had a program with known
memory issues limited, and it went vastly over it. Attempting to
limit it to 4KB (guaranteed crash) failed, and it allocated
significantly more.
175[02:15:47] <dannylee> Debian 9.13 might really be G0D...
250[03:36:08] <maxrazer> I'm getting error that
configuration data is incorret, can't select the database, even
though it is created and I have the hostname, name, username,
password all correct.
391[06:09:08] <ryouma> the cryptsetup man page says this, but it
does not tell what the tricks are: "There are a few nice tricks
for construct‐ ing a fallback, when suddenly out of the blue, your
brain refuses to cooperate. These fallbacks need LUKS, as it's
only possible with LUKS to have multiple passphrases."
392[06:09:13] <ryouma> so, what are the tricks?
393[06:12:49] <nkuttler> simply add another passphrase?
doesn't sound like a trick though
394[06:13:17] <nkuttler> but then, any "trick" sounds
like flawed crypto
402[06:22:19] <ryouma> a quick search suggests it might be
possible with scripts placed in soem cryptsetup path, which... i
guess... ends up in initramfs or so?
403[06:23:38] <ryouma> sounds kind of mendokusai though whatever
it is. brittle or maintenance-heavy or confusing which defeats that
purpose. idk.
404[06:25:07] <ryouma> i find debian updating of initramfs and
grub to be something i don't want to have to mess with if i
don't have to. at least ime.
405[06:26:02] <ryouma> (of course, i have had to...)
415[06:45:53] <ryouma> there was a bug in which crucial drive
would blow up and lose data if a trim command was sent. what
versions of debian have a kernel that will not allow that to occur
unless the firmware has been updated on the drive?
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433[07:20:47] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version
of a package to install when multiple versions are available from
<sources.list>. Bugs are explained at
replaced-url
438[07:25:43] <dpkg> To make buster be preferred over other
releases in your sources.list, put APT::Default-Release
"buster"; in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ (create if
needed). Or use "stretch", "stable" or
"testing" (make it match the name used in
/etc/apt/sources.list). Note that some apt front-ends like Synaptic
are reported to ignore Default-Release. Also ask me about
<tum>.
460[07:56:10] <Lope> if you `echo $PS1` you'll see
something like ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$
461[07:56:17] <maxrazer> I thought maybe it could be changed in
bash. But using hostnamectl also changed it.
462[07:56:25] <Lope> yeah so that will probably be determined by
/etc/hostname
463[07:57:10] <Lope> so you can edit that, then run `hostname -F
/etc/hostname`
464[07:57:14] <Lope> then disconnect and reconnect
465[07:57:27] <Lope> or maybe just run `bash`
466[07:57:31] <maxrazer> Oh, it looks like that changed too, but
not /etc/hosts which still has 127.0.0.1 set to localhost. I guess
that would stop 127.0.0.1 from working.
467[07:57:50] <Lope> /etc/hosts is irrelevant to your $PS1 AFAIK
468[07:58:16] <maxrazer> Oh, actually that just means I can type
localhost intead of that ip.
469[07:58:18] <Lope> I don't think you should mess with
127.0.0.1 in your /etc/hosts
470[07:58:36] <maxrazer> Tutorials out there say to change that.
That confused me.
472[07:59:06] <Lope> I mean you can do this: "127.0.0.1
localhost bob-pc local.bob.com"
473[07:59:12] <StarOnD> I have a query : How does a device
mapper work / take a snapshot ? How does it know when the system is
in a "consistent" state, how does it know when to take an
atomic snapshot?
474[07:59:12] <Lope> As long as localhost comes first.
475[07:59:25] <Lope> But as I said, pretty sure it's
irrelevant to your $PS1
476[08:00:07] <Lope> You should ideally set your /etc/hosts and
your /etc/hostname
477[08:01:31] <Lope> Now that I've helped you, I forgot
what I was doing... :)
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480[08:05:02] <Lope> I created a bunch of partitions with
`sgdisk` and now `fdisk -l` is upset. "GPT PMBR size mismatch
(14745599 != 7579647) will be corrected by write."
588[09:56:27] <ueb> mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.7.12
589[09:56:48] <aminvakil> abff has asked two great questions
which are my questions too
590[09:57:30] <abff> also, backports are a thing
591[09:57:44] <hegemoOn> plop
592[09:57:48] <aminvakil> aha
593[09:57:50] <abff> don't ask me how to use em
594[09:58:06] <aminvakil> ueb: to be sure what's the output
of "sudo apt-cache policy mysql-server"
595[09:58:32] <ueb> my distro: Debian GNU/Linux 8.4 (jessie)
596[09:58:40] <abff> dpkg backports
597[09:58:40] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
replaced-url
667[10:28:52] <aminvakil> read mysql documentation if that is
supported though
668[10:29:45] <ueb> aminvakil I need to upgrade to stretch for
installing php7.3, but this will upgrade mysql to 5.8... isn't
it ?
669[10:29:58] <jelly> ueb, php7.3 from deb.sury.org works, but
be careful with their metapackages -- if you install eg.
"php" it will switch from pulling in php7.3 to php8.0 when
you least expect it
675[10:31:03] <abff> ueb: I'm just giving you bad advice
I'll leave you to these smart people
676[10:31:06] <aminvakil> ueb: to buster you mean?
677[10:31:20] <ueb> ok thanks jelly
678[10:31:35] <ueb> abff ok thank you too
679[10:31:45] <aminvakil> aha, you want to use sury repo in
stretch to install php7.3
680[10:31:51] <abff> gl
681[10:32:31] <ueb> aminvakil I mean stretch, because it's
present on
replaced-url
682[10:32:52] <aminvakil> jelly: is partial upgrades supported
on debian? abff mentioned apt hold ...? is it supported then or not?
683[10:34:07] <aminvakil> ueb: i don't know about sury, but
is there a reason you don't upgrade from jessie to stretch and
then to buster and use
replaced-url
684[10:34:27] <aminvakil> then you can use php package from
official debian repos instead of sury
685[10:34:41] <jelly> aminvakil, I'm not sure what you mean
by partial upgrades but the answer is probably no
686[10:34:50] <TheBigK> ueb: afaik u should consider switching
to mariadb. Is way easier than switching to mysql 5.8...
687[10:35:04] <aminvakil> jelly: preventing a package to be
upgraded when there is an upgrade
688[10:35:10] <aminvakil> then upgrade the other packages
689[10:35:17] <TheBigK> by switching to mysql 5.8 u cant switch
to mariadb anymore without needging to do dump and reimport... so
quite a consideration...
690[10:35:23] <ueb> aminvakil the problem is that I should not
upgrade to mysql 5.8
691[10:35:26] <TheBigK> but we use mysql 5.7 on buster as
well... works fine
692[10:35:46] <aminvakil> ueb: the link i've just sent is
mysql5.7 from repo.mysql.com on buster
694[10:36:37] <jelly> aminvakil, it's not guaranteed to
work well over release upgrades, I'd test first on a copy of
the machine with the specific packages that need to be held back.
695[10:36:40] <jelly> !hold
696[10:36:40] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the
package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a
package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or
'aptitude hold $package'. Note that prior to
<stretch> "aptitude hold" is ignored by other
package managers and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set
with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>,
<unhold>.
697[10:36:43] <ueb> aminvakil ok but when upgrading my distro it
will upgrade mysql to 5.8 not 5.7... and I should avoid 5.8
698[10:36:46] <TheBigK> mysql 5.7 is also support till 2023 i
believe or something? is quite long maintenance
701[10:37:21] <TheBigK> so quite some time to think about to
switching to mysql 5.8 or mariadb... we for that matter wanting to
switch... we dont like oracle ;)
712[10:38:58] <aminvakil> for sure you should test these on a
test machine prior to doing that, installing debian jessie, install
mysql-server 5.7 from repos.mysql.com, upgrade to strecth, then to
buster, see if anything happens to your mysql-server
714[10:39:11] <abff> aminvakil: thats my fault, I didn't
see the repo it came from, in my mind I assumed it was mysql-common
from debian repos.
715[10:39:28] <TheBigK> jelly: the way to go in my
opinion....but databases are always tricky i feel... especially if u
do some trickery like stored procedures or stuff like that
717[10:40:20] <TheBigK> as far as testing went we are very happy
with our development environment running on mariadb 10.3 ... we will
probably switch production soonish to mariadb
718[10:40:36] <ueb> I've installed mysql-server from
repo.mysql.com, so upgrading my distro won't upgrade mysql to
5.8?
719[10:40:47] <TheBigK> check whats done when u do the switch
725[10:42:01] <TheBigK> if u have mysql-5.7 in the repo... ur
gonna be fine
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727[10:43:05] <TheBigK> u have also good timing for swiching
since debian bullseye is around the corner :)
728[10:43:14] <aminvakil> ueb: ^
729[10:45:11] <ueb> I should do these steps: 1) change jessie to
stretch in /etc/apt/sources.list 2) apt-get update 3)
apt-get upgrade 4) apt-get dist-upgrade 5) install
php7.3 from sury...
730[10:45:49] <TheBigK> why the sury php ? im just curious
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732[10:46:10] <TheBigK> i always do dist-upgrade only... is that
wrong?
733[10:46:37] <TheBigK> afaik upgrade is just security no
version upgrades... and dist-upgrade does both?
737[10:47:25] <ueb> TheBigK dist-upgrade will auto upgrade
php7.0 to php7.3 ?
738[10:47:53] <aminvakil> man apt: full-upgrade performs the
function of upgrade but will remove currently installed packages if
this is needed to upgrade the system as a whole.
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740[10:48:32] <TheBigK> ueb: i dont remember ... is so long
ago... but u can check when u do the dist-upgrade ... whats
happening
741[10:49:01] <TheBigK> if i remember correclty i did some
manual steps to upgrade the php version
742[10:49:15] <ueb> TheBigK yes ok, however php7.0 was installed
from repo dotdeb
762[10:55:07] <aminvakil> ueb: what's the problem with
buster if you need php7.3 ?
763[10:56:00] <ueb> aminvakil I need to make a double upgrade..
I fear a system crash
764[10:57:23] <aminvakil> you a fear system crash with an
official supported procedures which many people have done before
you, but you're fine with installing packages from third-party
repositories?
765[10:57:25] <TheBigK> yeah... u go for stretch... and if
everything runs straight... u go buster... ez pz
766[10:57:48] <TheBigK> aminvakil: full agree :)
767[10:58:19] <aminvakil> worst case, install buster from
scratch, configure mysql 5.7 from repos.mysql.com, install php from
official repos, restore your database backup
768[10:58:36] <TheBigK> trying to avoid third party repos is my
main consideration for almost everything. i always tell the devs...
u need a reason to switch... a good one... when u want to use
external mirrors
787[11:02:47] <ueb> jelly removing from sources.list ?
788[11:03:26] <TheBigK> usually u configure 3rd party in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/3rdparty.list
789[11:03:37] <TheBigK> and the basica debian things in
/etc/apt/sources.list
790[11:04:11] <TheBigK> is easier to handle... u can move the
files in /var/backups for example to temporary deactivate those
mirrors then
791[11:04:24] <shtrb> ratrace, you will not belive I had enabled
the debug service you had suggested, and the systemd shenanigans had
ended , that is just crazy when I open debug everything just work as
expected :D
792[11:05:23] <jelly> ueb, and uninstalling them.
793[11:05:47] <ueb> I need to mantain mysql5.7 installed from
mysql.repo, I can't uninstall it
794[11:06:19] <TheBigK> thats fine... just change to the stretch
version then
795[11:06:26] <TheBigK> a minor upgrade will be done then...
thats ok
796[11:07:00] <TheBigK> and for php u do the same
797[11:07:09] <TheBigK> u look for the stretch packages.. .and
change the mirror accordingly
798[11:07:20] <TheBigK> if u dont everything right... ur good to
go
799[11:07:35] <TheBigK> u check with the upgrade which version
of php and mysql ull get... and ur good to go
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801[11:08:01] <ueb> TheBigK how to do this check?
802[11:08:04] <TheBigK> apt-cache policy $package will give u
exactly which version is going to be installed
803[11:08:14] <TheBigK> before u do the apt update obviously....
843[11:18:47] <ueb> maybe I'm forced to make a new
machine...
844[11:18:55] <TheBigK> is it a VM?
845[11:19:12] <ueb> yes it's a VM hosted on cloud
846[11:19:46] <TheBigK> bigger harddrive possible? uprading the
filesystem is not a huge deal usually
847[11:20:05] <TheBigK> shrinking can be painful... but growing
is usually easy
848[11:20:38] <TheBigK> if u have no seperate /boot ... deleting
some kernels can help
849[11:21:13] <ueb> the data drive is upgradable, but the root
drive I think not
850[11:21:35] <ratrace> shtrb: but that's not normal :)
could be just that systemd isn't failing as hard and loud in
debug mode?
851[11:22:03] <ratrace> or... does but doesn't kick you in
the shins and leaves you with a semi-working shell you can debug
from? :)
852[11:22:23] <shtrb> it could be, their devs probably put a
working flow (the oppsite of intentional bug) in debug mode
853[11:22:24] <TheBigK> ueb: do u have an idea whats causing the
most diskspace? cause 10 gig can be fine, as long as u just have the
system files on it
859[11:25:50] <TheBigK> thats better... but not perfect ... im
not sure if 1gb is enough... but since u download the packages to
/var/cache/apt/archives u could be fine
894[11:40:34] <jelly> 90MB, what does it have inside, wayland
and gui
895[11:41:05] <TheBigK> i have no freaking idea... i dont check
regulary ... ubuntu magic
896[11:41:21] <TheBigK> im too lazy to unpack that thing to
check
897[11:42:27] <jelly> you can put MODULES=dep instead of
MODULES=most in their /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf to make it
behave more like debian defaults
898[11:43:00] <TheBigK> jelly: i might consider that... i have
even sometimes problems with 1 gig of boot
899[11:43:15] <TheBigK> but i refuse to raise it... i just
refuse :D
938[12:16:37] <ueb> apt-get upgrade is defined as "Minimal
system upgrade", is it enough to upgrade Debian to Stretch? Or
is it necessary apt-get dist-upgrade ?
939[12:17:04] <ratrace> TheBigK: I intend with upgrade to
bullseye
940[12:17:25] <ratrace> but maybe I misunderstood you, xwayland
will be needed for programs that don't support wayland protocol
942[12:18:12] <ratrace> ueb: you need dist-upgrade for that
943[12:18:30] <ueb> ratrace ok thanks
944[12:18:36] <jelly> ueb, read the release notes.
945[12:18:37] <TheBigK> ratrace: okay interesting
946[12:18:57] <jelly> ueb, don't blindly do a release
upgrade before reading them.
947[12:19:04] <milkt> !tell ueb about jessie->stretch
948[12:19:39] <jelly> or you're going to get into all sorts
of avoidable trouble and we're going to laugh at you
949[12:20:03] <TheBigK> im using kubuntu on my desktop and i
tried wayland... but copy paste was a problem and then i thought...
nah ... i give it with next release a shot :)
950[12:20:10] <jelly> well I am, other people are not asses
951[12:20:38] <ratrace> even the bot will laugh at you
952[12:20:49] <TheBigK> so mean hahahaha
953[12:21:02] <ratrace> Hey, I'm an ass. don't take
that away from me.
970[12:23:10] <ratrace> jokes aside, I don't know what
Ubuntu's problem is, but I can imagine a lot of NIH code stands
in their way, because debian defaulted to waylend for gnome
installations and that seems to be not a problem
971[12:23:21] <ratrace> I think fedora has been wayland for some
time too now
972[12:23:34] <ratrace> *weyland
973[12:24:05] <TheBigK> i didnt try it for long... may be i
could have fixed it. on 21.04 i gonna try again
974[12:24:28] <jelly> my current workstation's running
ubuntu as well
975[12:24:47] <ratrace> jelly: already laughed at you for that.
1008[12:40:37] <milkt> probably pasting exact error message can
be helpful, but i think installing "debian-keyring" or
"debian-archive-keyring" will fix it
1009[12:40:58] <ratrace> ueb: keys for what repo? btw note that
upgrading from one major version of debian to another, should (must,
even) be done with all third party repos disabled
1010[12:40:59] <docmax> is it possible to prevent apt-get upgrade
to re-enable systemd services?
1011[12:41:28] <ueb> ratrace mysql repo
1012[12:42:09] <milkt> docmax: you can mask it i think
1021[12:44:21] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your
/etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The
easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0
/etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
1047[13:09:35] <fnstudio> hi i've downloaded one of the
(tested) images from here
replaced-url
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1050[13:10:23] <fnstudio> i know those are not officially
supported images, but i was wondering if anyone has any experience
with the hdmi audio settings as i don't seem to be able to get
any audio out of the pi
1051[13:10:56] <megaTherion> On a default Debian (10) install,
what's the default MTA to deliver mails?
1052[13:11:04] <megaTherion> (I mean which one is started and run
by default)
1053[13:11:13] <fnstudio> the pi is connected to a tv monitor via
hdmi; when i try to play a audio file, the monitor says
"unsupported audio signal"
1054[13:13:26] <ratrace> megaTherion: Exim will be pulled in if
and when an MTA is needed
1055[13:13:49] <ratrace> unless you first install Postfix, or
something like dma
1060[13:20:02] <giorgian> Hello; when I run apt update in a
debian docker image (tried :latest, :buster-slim and a few others) I
get: "E: The repository 'replaced-url
1083[13:39:28] <giorgian> No, apt -v just outputs the version
1084[13:40:43] <giorgian> TheBigK: it was a local problem, the
image itself works fine.
1085[13:40:49] <themill> !apt debug
1086[13:40:49] <dpkg> To debug what is going wrong with
apt/apt-get/aptitude fetching from the mirrors, append «-o
Debug::Acquire::http=true» to the command line. The output
will be lengthy but informative.
1115[14:15:32] <TheBigK> abff: that would be my choice if i
consider switching. but i dont know... im not unsatisfied with
kubuntu ... usually it just works. there are just little things that
are sometimes annoying
1117[14:18:39] <TheBigK> as i started with linux i used to use
debian at first... later on i switched to gentoo... when 64bit
became a thing... and also because i wanted the newest version of
plasma... cause it was buggy... but it was also so shiny new... that
i wanted it anyways :))
1118[14:18:55] <TheBigK> and later on decided... i use kubuntu...
and since then.. im fine with it
1120[14:19:41] <TheBigK> its so similar to debian... but the
packaging is ... good id say... i know i could make it same on
debian sid.. pretty much... but its just more work
1188[15:41:47] <ueb> I'm back and I'm trying to fix
apt-get issues before upgrading my distro
1189[15:41:53] <ueb> error: There is no public key available for
the following key IDs
1190[15:43:17] <n4dir> do something like apt-cache search
keyring, perhaps pipe it to | less; compare it with the keys you
have installed (dpkg -l | grep keyring). That is what i would do
(first of all)
1191[15:44:08] <ueb> I've found that this key is used by:
/var/lib/apt/lists/httpredir.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_Release.gpg
1200[15:47:28] <n4dir> i just meant "apt-cache search
keyring", then i go "manually" through the list, and
usually quickly find what i search for. ueb else you have to wait
for someone more in the subject, my approach really is just the
sledgehammer
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1203[15:48:29] <miguel_clean> I am trying to understand
debootstrap. and it's dependancies. this will run a debian
(kind of inside a subdir) staying on the hosts kernel?
1204[15:48:56] <n4dir> miguel_clean: yes. kinda like that
1208[15:49:24] <miguel_clean> how likely is this to suceed on an
old stock android kernel?
1209[15:50:05] <n4dir> so it will use some stuff from the
"host", like the kernel, and to use it you will have to
"chroot" (after you mounted some stuff for/in it, i think
/proc /dev and /sys)
1210[15:50:31] <n4dir> miguel_clean: there are apps to create a
debootstrap on an android, if i recall correct
1211[15:50:58] <n4dir> playstore, or however it is called these
days
1212[15:51:21] <miguel_clean> i wanted to try it myself. this is
an old device. and not all this apps are available
1213[15:51:41] <miguel_clean> basically I wonder what debian
expects from the kernel?
1214[15:51:41] <n4dir> i think the debian wiki has a page about
it too
1216[15:52:07] <miguel_clean> most of the time my debian
experience was based on using the kernel shipping with debian
1217[15:53:23] <miguel_clean> are some libs (as libc) not
specifically linked against a specific kernel?
1218[15:53:26] <n4dir> it's ages ago i did a debootstrap on
an android phone, and i used one of those apps. It was rather easy.
More i can't say. good luck
1219[15:53:36] <miguel_clean> heheh thanks :)
1220[15:54:16] <miguel_clean> I am just playing around.
don't want to throw away a perfectly good tablet which just
became old and lacks support from its creators
1221[15:54:25] <n4dir> yeah, sure.
1222[15:55:18] <n4dir> to me it doesn't seem as if it was a
subject you hear of in this channel often. Still ask again or just
wait for someone. And, perhaps, try other channels too.
1223[15:55:25] <albert> miguel_clean: have you looked at entirely
wiping android and replacing it with debian?
1224[15:56:04] <ueb> apt-get update gives me this error: There is
no public key available for the following key IDs 112695A0E562B32A
1225[15:56:07] <miguel_clean> albert: not yet. but I am
considering this as well at some point
1226[15:56:44] <miguel_clean> albert: would require me to build
the kernel myself I assume. not sure how to get the settings and
find out what proprieatary drivers I migth loose in this process
1227[15:57:25] <ueb> is there any way to fix it? I've tried
with: gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key E562B32A
1265[16:14:56] <ueb> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an
error code (1)
1266[16:15:27] <jelly> miguel_clean, you can certainly try to ask
Samsung for the exact source codes and build process for the free
parts of the code for that device.
1267[16:15:53] <jelly> ueb, grub is always installed onto the
whole disk
1268[16:16:15] <jelly> well, if the system is booting in legacy
mode.
1269[16:16:29] <jelly> if it's booting in UEFI mode then
things are different
1270[16:17:40] <ueb> should I fix anything now about this error?
1271[16:18:20] <jelly> ueb, the actual failure was somewhere
above in the logs. After an installation or upgrade or dist-upgrade
fails, try to run "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get
-f install" to make dpkg and apt to back to a consistent state.
1272[16:19:59] <ueb> Failed to start unattended-upgrades.service:
Unit unattended-upgrades.service failed to load: Invalid argument.
See system logs and 'systemctl status
unattended-upgrades.service' for details.
1351[17:32:33] <PaulFertser> fnstudio: for the reference, there
should be nothing ARM specific in audio, and as usual for the basic
testing you're supposed to be reading dmesg, doing aplay -l,
trying to use aplay with some wav file, use alsamixer to adjust the
levels etc.
1352[17:32:49] <PaulFertser> fnstudio: no matter if arm or mips
or amd64, it's still the same alsa.
1353[17:33:23] <jelly> ueb, where did you get php7.4 from?
1354[17:33:40] <ueb> here is mysql status now that I unmasked it
1407[18:00:33] <hop> one i can use to make xen-pciback grab the
device
1408[18:00:38] <hop> jelly: yes, very funny!
1409[18:01:03] <imMute> hop: I see a "Bus 03.Port 1" in
my lsusb. The sysfs for that is /sys/bus/usb/devices/3-1 which is a
symlink to /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb3/3-1
0000:00:1d.0 is the PCI address of the USB controller
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1411[18:02:11] <hop> i see bus and device only, no port
1432[18:14:48] <Hobadee> chocolate, most likely the php->mysql
connection is attempting over socket and the socket name changed
during the upgrade. That would be my guess.
1437[18:16:35] <Hobadee> chocolate, Could be some PHP dependency
also. Check version numbers on everything. That "No such file
or directory" error is likely because a file was named with
it's version, and the upgrade changed that.
1438[18:16:43] <hop> jelly: 17:35 < hop> is there a way to
get a usb-device to a xen domu with a stock debian kernel?
1441[18:17:26] <Hobadee> I'm building a Debian VM template -
is there a way to have it prompt for IP address settings on first
boot? Google is failing me...
1442[18:17:29] <hop> neither qusb nor pvusb appear to work
1443[18:17:32] *** Quits: Souler (~Souler@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1502[19:04:36] <urk> How can i get firmware if there is no
firmware prompt? I need the firmware so that my Intel network card
drivers may be installed. I would like to explore doing a full
install with deboostrap since I have had trouble with the stable
release installers on a Dell XPS 15 7590.
1527[19:19:05] <_-Jon-_> I'm hoping someone can assist me
with a strange problem. I have a domain, say example.com. If I
'ping <randomness>.example.com' it resolves to some
domain parking IP. If I do 'host
<randomness>.example.com' it returns nothing
1530[19:20:25] <imMute> _-Jon-_: one might be using a DNS
resolver that injects advertising while the other doesnt
1531[19:20:26] <chocolate> I have both php 7.0 and php7.3
installed, but I'm getting this output : This version of
ownCloud requires at least PHP 7.2.0 DO I need to set php7.3
as default? what's happening?
1537[19:22:54] <_-Jon-_> imMute: Is there any way to find out? I
know it uses /etc/resolv.conf but I'm wondering if there is
somewhere else that it might be getting DNS servers from
1542[19:26:21] <greycat> ping does standard hostname lookups
which use nsswitch.conf and a normal standard nsswitch will use
/etc/hosts first and DNS second
1543[19:26:22] *** mpmc is now known as HorrificShroud
1544[19:26:56] <greycat> note that this is *different* from how
host(1) works
1554[19:30:12] <jelly> that said, you can also investigate what
ping (really, the glibc resolver library) does, by doing
"getent hosts randomstuff.example.com" and "strace -f
randomstuff.example.com"
1560[19:31:48] <urk> jelly> Yup, tried both 10.7.0, and
10.8.0, and couldn't get the laptop to work. At one point I was
able to get the testing version to work, but now it too won't
install, and has the same issue: firmware, drivers. I do have the
firmware for Buster, and downloaded it to the laptop I am talking to
you from.
1561[19:32:08] <urk> I am going to need to install the firmware
in order to do deboostrap.
1562[19:32:19] <Crax> Sorry this is weird to ask but how to mask
my ip xD..
1564[19:32:40] <jelly> urk, it's possible the laptop
won't work well even with firmware if it's just too new
1565[19:32:58] <urk> There should be a way to reach the firmware
from shell that is on a memory stick, but may have to do some manual
installation of packages.
1567[19:33:41] <jelly> if you 're doing debootstrap from
another live linux, you can just install firmware packages inside
the debootstrapped system
1568[19:33:59] <jelly> you need a linux that mostly works to do
debootstrap.
1569[19:34:00] <urk> jelly> I researched your argument, and
XPS 15 7590 works quite well with Debian stable, but from my own
experience there is going to be a fair amount of work getting things
up and running. From what I learned, don't create a EFI
partition first, and save it for last.
1573[19:34:49] <urk> jelly> I should be able to reach the
drivers from shell, but there are other things that will need to be
installed in order to add .deb files.
1574[19:34:56] <jelly> urk, "the same issue: firmware,
drivers" needs a bit more expansion, what precisely fails with
firmware images, and at what point
1575[19:35:22] *** Parts: hop (~hop@replaced-ip) ()
1576[19:35:24] <urk> jelly> Drivers don't initiate
because the firmware is missing, and the stable installer
doesn't prompt to add firmware.
1577[19:35:27] <urk> That is the problem.
1578[19:35:35] <repulse> What's the correct way to enable
debug output for system-config-printer? Just kill the app and run it
from command line like
"/usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py --debug"
1579[19:35:39] <urk> I sent a message about this to Debian bugs
this morning.
1583[19:36:14] <sney> jelly: background is that urk has been
trying to negotiate out of "hardware too new for buster"
for over a week. it's a wifi6 iwlwifi nic that isn't
supported by 4.19. the bullseye+nonfree installer works fine, but we
just keep going around and around...
1584[19:36:17] <jelly> urk, so, again, which specific drivers
fail?
1585[19:36:42] <rajivmars> what should be the ideal size for a
"/root partition in debian. i have 1 tb hdd and going to make a
separate. /home partition
1586[19:36:50] <jelly> urk, so your hardware IS, in fact, too new
for stable _kernel_
1587[19:37:10] <urk> jelly> Should be, but not so sure. Only
the testing version has worked, and only at one point. My initial
thoughts are that the firmware is already there, but something wrong
with not being detected.
1588[19:37:12] <imMute> rajivmars: for / or /root?
1590[19:37:15] <ratrace> rajivmars: /root or / (root)?
1591[19:37:51] <jelly> rajivmars, 20GB is enough, use LVM and
resize things later. Even if you use LVM, don't let the dumb
installer allocate the WHOLE space for /home. Leave some (most)
space VG space free.
1592[19:37:53] <rajivmars> ratrace: for /
1593[19:37:54] <urk> jelly> Then how come there are postings
on the net that Debian works fine with XPS 15 7590? I looked it up
before I bought the laptop, and still believe there are problems
with the installer not detecting things.
1594[19:38:08] <ratrace> rajivmars: I wouldn't go below 10GB
if that's a desktop. jelly's advice is maybe a sound one.
1595[19:38:09] <imMute> rajivmars: /root IMO shouldn't have
it's own partition. as for / with a separate /home, I stick to
4GB to 8GB, but I don't have any GUIs installed, so you
probably want to double that.
1596[19:38:12] <jelly> urk, I'm going to trust sney on this
over "postings"
1597[19:38:42] <urk> The debian release came out in the fall of
2019, and my laptop came out in the winter. Though newer, it really
isn't new at this point. Its two years old.
1598[19:39:15] <urk> jelly> The only thing I am trying to do
now at this point is get the firmware into the installation via
shell, and nothing more.
1610[19:44:03] <imMute> rajivmars: you probably want to do what
jelly suggested and use LVM so you can resize the partition later if
it ends up being too small
1611[19:44:06] <ratrace> rajivmars: better question is: why is
this even important? terabyte drives are extra cheap today
1623[19:50:04] <jmcnaught> urk: what happened? I thought that you
had Debian 10 installed and just needed to install new firmware and
kernel packages which you had downloaded. Did you start all over
again?
1630[19:58:17] <urk> jmcnaught> I did have testing version
installed at one point, and successfully downgraded to stable, but
the headers were not correct so I elected to reinstall. Looking
back, I should have stayed with testing. And from what I can tell,
you definitely want to put Debian in the first partition if doing
dual boot. It won't write files systems to the drive if a UEFI
partition is created first.
1631[19:58:46] <urk> If I had to do it again, I would have just
manually changed the headers.
1632[19:59:24] <urk> The only thing that didn't work was the
XFburn, but it wasn't working correctly in testing before the
downgrade.
1635[20:01:05] <jmcnaught> urk: if you want to use testing it
should probably install just fine unless you are using two dozen
partitions or something confusing. If you want stable, it is just a
little more complicated. You install without network, then after
installation you boot it up and copy the firmware and backports
kernel packages by USB and install them with "dpkg -i
packagename.deb"
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1683[20:41:55] *** Cypher1008 is now known as Cypher100
1684[20:43:46] <urk> jmcnaught> Is the firmware installed
through a shell? Or can the firmware be installed via shell? I am
not getting a prompt to install firmware.
1686[20:44:26] <urk> jmcnaught> Previously I was able to get
sid/buster to install, but now it won't do that. I think there
is more than one issue going on here.
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1700[20:57:02] <chocolate> I need help with this output error in
owncloud
replaced-url
1701[20:57:42] <tgunr> been search for a hour and can't find
how to map my Apple Exended Keyboard which has the key pad and
additional F-keys F-13 thru F-19. Seems .Xmodmap is no longer in
favor? How do I get Debian 10 with Gnome to recognize all the keys?
1709[21:02:39] <sney> chocolate: is this the system that you
upgraded? "failed to get a lock" sounds like there are
competing daemons trying to access that file. make sure you only
have (1) each of your httpd and php-fpm running.
1714[21:10:21] <jmcnaught> urk: what I am talking about is
install Debian 10 *without* firmware *without* networking. Once you
boot into the freshly installed Debian system, then you install the
firmware and kernel from backports. I am not talking about a step in
the installer.
1740[21:38:45] <neilthereildeil> i want to use the remaind of my
disk for an LVM VG
1741[21:38:49] <neilthereildeil> how can i do this?
1742[21:39:05] <neilthereildeil> remainder*
1743[21:39:45] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: It depends on whether you
have networking after the install. If so then yes, just run apt. If
not you'll have to figure out how to download the .deb and copy
it to the system, then install it.
1745[21:40:28] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: earlier they were told how
to download the packages they need and copy to a USB stick
1746[21:40:45] <jhutchins> neilthereildeil: Follow the
instructions for creating a VG. It doesn't hvae to be the whole
disk.
1747[21:41:06] <neilthereildeil> jhutchins: would i need to
create a partioin in order to create a VG on it?
1748[21:41:34] <jmcnaught> neilthereildeil: 1. create a partition
2. use pvcreate(8) on the partition 3. use vgcreate(8) 4. create
logical volumes with lvcreate(8)
1749[21:41:40] <jhutchins> Yeah, the advantages of a stick is
that you can get the installer to prompt you for a device containing
the firmware.
1752[21:42:54] <sney> in this case, they needed both the firmware
*and* the bpo kernel, so no amount of feeding the installer was
going to help
1753[21:42:59] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: this is exactly the
confusion that they are having. The 4.19 buster kernel simply does
not support their wifi card, so it does not prompt for firmware.
They either need to install testing/bullseye, or they need to do a
basic install of buster without networking and install the loose
.debs from a USB stick after the first boot.
1754[21:42:59] <jhutchins> neilthereildeil: Yes, if you
don't use the whole device you need to partition.
1755[21:43:47] <sney> I wonder why nobody picked up the
unofficial stable+bpo installer project after kmuto stopped doing
it. that was always handy.
1756[21:43:50] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: Yup.
1757[21:44:43] <jhutchins> sney: Not enough support probably, or
other comittments.
1767[21:47:57] <neilthereildeil> or can i create a partition
thats easily extendable later on?
1768[21:49:14] <mentor> neilthereildeil: You can move physical
extents in a physical volume around afterwards; you can change the
size of a physical volume too. You can also have multiple physical
volumes. All of this may eat your children.
1769[21:49:51] <neilthereildeil> you mean this is a bad idea?
1770[21:50:09] <mentor> neilthereildeil: I was speaking to your
use of the word "easily"
1771[21:50:20] <greycat> If you use traditional partitions, you
can just leave some space unpartitioned. If you use LVM, you'll
want to leave a bunch of the VG unallocated, for future use.
1773[21:51:17] <mentor> Yes, you do not need to allocate all the
physical extents in your physical volume in one go. Growing things
is easier than shrinking them.
1786[21:57:22] <rapier> guys, i got an error when I boot from
pendrive. The error is "initramfs unpacking failed decoding
failed" how could I please fix that?
1789[22:03:17] <diogenes_> rapier, what app you used?
1790[22:03:34] <jmcnaught> neilthereildeil: no easy way to do
this. You could create a VG out of the unallocated 2TB, boot from a
live disk to copy the rootfs from partition to LV on VG, chroot into
the rootfs while still in live boot to update fstab and update-grub
and update-initramfs, and finally pvcreate the old root partition
and vgextend it into the VG. Restore from backups as necessary.
1817[22:09:30] <jmcnaught> rapier: Debian ISO images are hybrid
images that work for both burning to optical disc or copying to USB
storage. Programs like rufus do not take this into account, and
attempt to mangle the ISO so it will boot from USB. This messes
things up.
1821[22:13:12] <urk> jmcnaught> I am now getting an error
"failed to determine code name for the system". Linux is
the only partition on the 1 TB drive, and in the first part of the
drive. Everything else was deleted. How do I fix this problem?
1822[22:14:02] <jmcnaught> urk: when does this error happen?
1823[22:14:03] <urk> jmcnaught> This error occurred when I
attempted to install the base system. I am running 10.8.0
1825[22:15:02] <urk> Actually the complete error is
"Debootstrap Error, Failed to determine the codename for the
release". And then it asks me to Continue? Or Go back?
1826[22:15:14] <rapier> Is it possible to extract iso to pendrive
using winrar and write to on pendrive?
1827[22:15:15] <urk> I am not running Debootstrap.
1835[22:17:45] <mrjpaxton[m]> rapier: You can extract an ISO with
`p7zip`. Try this: `7z x <my-file>.iso -o/<directory>`.
Of course, replace the <my-file> and <directiory> with
your file name and destination.
1836[22:17:52] <urk> jmcnaught> I did not select expert mode.
I believe this is 10.8.0 non-free with firmware.
1837[22:18:16] <mrjpaxton[m]> Though, in most cases you can use
`dd` to write to thumb drive.
1844[22:21:37] <jmcnaught> urk: is it possible you removed and
reinserted the USB stick at some point, or unmounted it while in the
installer's disk partitioning step?
1848[22:22:22] <urk> I always unmount disks before removing them.
The disk was unmounted on the other, slower, older laptop next to
me.
1849[22:22:35] <mrjpaxton[m]> Just a feature request though. I
wish you could select "Expert mode" from the actual first
GUI/TUI installer window. But at least you can still use Ctrl+Alt+F1
to F8 to use a terminal, any time.
1850[22:23:01] <mrjpaxton[m]> Otherwise, wouldn't you have
to reboot to select it?
1851[22:23:19] <urk> There is not enough tools at shell to change
the code name. Maybe I can add vim at shell?
1856[22:26:37] <jmcnaught> urk: assuming that the Debian ISO was
copied to USB correctly (by win32diskimager if on Windows, or to a
device (/dev/sdb) and *not* a partition (/dev/sdb1), this error is
likely being caused by 1. bad USB stick or port dropping the
connection during the installation or 2. something you are doing
during disk partitioning that unmounts the USB
1857[22:28:36] <jmcnaught> urk: if you are still attempting a
complicated disk layout with separate partitions or volumes for
almost everything, I suggest that just for argument's sake you
take the path of least resistance through the installer. Choose all
defaults for almost every question, and use the guided partitioning
to let it take over the entire disk. It should only take 20-30
minutes, just to see if it works.
1859[22:29:07] <mrjpaxton[m]> Yeah, I'm looking up the error
"failed to determine code name for the system", and it
looks like a bad write to the USB drive can cause it, or it can be
caused by UNetbootin. I would recommend Rufus on Windows or `dd` on
Linux to write the ISO if you haven't tried that already.
1860[22:29:25] <jmcnaught> You can always redo it with more
complexity immediately after you establish that it works.
1861[22:29:57] <mrjpaxton[m]> I always have at least one or two
`dd` commands in my head at all times. :)
1862[22:30:15] <urk> I just ran the onboard integrity checker,
and it says "No valid Debian CD-ROM". I suspect this is
because of the missing code name.
1863[22:30:21] <mspe> why nobody uses ventoy?
1864[22:31:15] <urk> jmcnaught> There doesn't appear to
be an issue with the partitions.
1865[22:31:45] <jmcnaught> urk: how did you copy the Debian ISO
to USB?
1866[22:32:02] <nkuttler> mspe: it ate my bootloader
1867[22:32:06] <mrjpaxton[m]> Well, side note, I also just
learned that Windows 10 cannot be written with `dd`, but instead has
to be done otherwise with something like WoeUSB. So that's
always fun.... Those are the only two tools I really use for writing
ISOs.
1868[22:32:30] <nkuttler> also they closed my ticket when i said
i'd try to reproduce on more machines..
1869[22:33:08] <mrjpaxton[m]> I mean "toy" is in the
name, then.
1870[22:33:26] <mspe> what do you mean “it ate my
bootloader”?
1881[22:35:32] <mspe> mrjpaxton[m]: it's not my favorite
tool, but it's the most convenient for people trying to use one
or several isos in a filesystem, instead of overwriting a whole
flash drive
1882[22:36:09] *** grindhold is now known as GRINDHOLD
1883[22:36:42] <neilthereildeil> mentor: ohh good idea!
1886[22:37:07] <neilthereildeil> so i have / FS as a 500GB FS in
a giant 3.3TB partition
1887[22:37:42] <neilthereildeil> so now im gonna create a VG of
the rest of the space in the 3.3TB partition, and migrate the data
in / to in, and then delete the current / partition
1895[22:38:32] <greycat> your words, no sense do they make.
1896[22:38:44] <mspe> mrjpaxton[m]: it's a customized grub
that partitions your flash drive as 3 partitions: bios, esp and an
exfat fs, and you can write any iso in the exfat fs from windows,
macos or linux
1897[22:38:52] *** GRINDHOLD is now known as grindhold
1898[22:39:12] <neilthereildeil> so now i have a 500GB EXT4 FS
inside a 3.3TB partition
1899[22:39:13] <urk> jmcnaught> Deleted all the partitions as
you recommended, but still get the same error "Debootstrap
Error, Failed to determine the codename for the release". The
problems I am encountering don't appear to be related to my
earlier creation of various partitions. The only thing I did
different this time is that I deleted the EFI partition which was
the first partition, and replaced it with Linux. However, I still
get prompted for an
1900[22:39:13] <urk> EFI partition before committing to disk.
That error also shouldn't be showing up.
1901[22:39:20] <mspe> and it generates at boot time on the fly a
menu with all your iso files in the exfat partition
1902[22:39:28] <greycat> unless you're working in msdos
disklabel land, and the 3.3TB partition is an "extended
partition", but isn't that too large for msdos disklabel?
wouldn't you have to use gpt?
1903[22:39:31] <neilthereildeil> im going to create a VG from the
500GB-3.3TB range in the partition
1904[22:39:42] <jmcnaught> urk: how did you copy the Debian ISO
to USB?
1905[22:39:50] <neilthereildeil> and then mvoe the data from the
500GB / FS to the new VG
1906[22:39:52] <neilthereildeil> yes this is GPT
1907[22:40:21] <greycat> gpt doesn't have extended
partitions AFAIK, so how on earth do you perceive that there is a
"partition inside a partition"?
1908[22:41:00] <neilthereildeil> theres no nexted parititons
1916[22:41:44] <mentor> A volume inside a partition, perhaps
1917[22:41:54] <urk> jmcnaught> with dd
1918[22:41:54] <neilthereildeil> a FS inside a partition
1919[22:41:59] <mrjpaxton[m]> To be fair, I still am using old
USB 2.0 flash drives that are 32GB a my rescue drives, since they
still work at least. It does take a while to write to them, but
I'll consider checking out Ventoy sometime when I get some
higher capacity 3.0 drives. Lol.
1920[22:42:03] <neilthereildeil> a 500GB EXT4 FS
1921[22:42:12] <greycat> you keep saying this thing but it MAKES
NO SENSE
1922[22:42:16] <neilthereildeil> inside a partition that 3.3TB in
size
1923[22:42:22] <neilthereildeil> hmm why doesnt it make sense?
1924[22:42:23] <jmcnaught> urk: and you made sure to copy to the
whole device not just a partition?
1925[22:43:00] <urk> jmcnaught> Whole device was copied.
1926[22:43:11] <mspe> mrjpaxton[m]: honestly it's also more
reliable to just copy paste isos in a file system than all the
writings people attempt with win32diskimager, rufus, etc.
1927[22:43:12] <greycat> Because a file system occupied a WHOLE
partition. Not a piece of a partition.
1928[22:43:18] <neilthereildeil> ok
1929[22:43:30] <mentor> Well, that's not really true
1930[22:43:41] <greycat> The only time a file system should be
smaller than its partition is temporarily, when you have increased
the size of the partition, and have not yet increased the size of
the file system to match.
1931[22:43:41] <mentor> Usually a filesystem occupies the space
it itself thinks it does.
1932[22:44:43] <jhutchins> LVM can be pretty confusing. Even when
I had pretty much wrapped my head around the concept of creating and
expanding partitions, I still had a step-by-step cheat sheet that I
always referred to.
1933[22:45:00] <mrjpaxton[m]> mspe: I know, but considering the
differences between how BIOS and UEFI boot between the DOS
partitioning table and GPT, it's difficult to do a "hybrid
boot" between everything.
1934[22:45:32] <mspe> mrjpaxton[m]: it features a hybrid boot
that also works with secure boot in the latest versions
1935[22:45:45] <mrjpaxton[m]> You'd even need a GPT
partition table if you wanted to boot GPT on BIOS, or GPT if you
wanted to boot from UEFI at all in the first place.
1936[22:45:46] <jhutchins> mentor: With LVM, you can us a portion
of the available space and leave the rest for later expansion.
1937[22:45:54] <mentor> jhutchins: Yes
1938[22:45:57] <mrjpaxton[m]> *GPT BIOS partition I mean
1939[22:46:06] <jmcnaught> urk: "Whole device was
copied" does that mean your 'dd' command had an
argument like of=/dev/sdb with no number at the end?
1940[22:46:10] <jhutchins> mentor: You can also choose at a later
date to shrink the volume and create a second one.
1941[22:46:13] <greycat> A given partition should either contain
a file system, or a swap space, or an LVM physical volume.
1942[22:46:19] <mentor> jhutchins: But I filesystem tends not to
defer to an upper block layer to define what its limits are.
1943[22:46:26] <mrjpaxton[m]> I'm talking if it was a
different ISO besides Debian, though.
1944[22:46:36] <mentor> Or, lower block layer?
1945[22:46:40] <mspe> mrjpaxton[m]: yeah I told you it makes esp
AND bios partitions in addition to the exfat one
1946[22:47:11] <greycat> If you have a 4 TB disk and you want to
use 500 GB for a root file system and the other 3.5 TB for LVM,
that's fine -- you would make two partitions, one for the file
system, and one for LVM. Well, and a third for EFI, probably.
1947[22:47:31] <jhutchins> mentor: Generally that's the
partition table, LVM has an equivalent. It tells the OS how big the
filesystem is, the filesystem does not.
1948[22:48:01] <mentor> jhutchins: No, the filesystem superblock
contains the information the filesystem uses to determine its own
extent.
1949[22:48:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1075
1950[22:48:12] <mrjpaxton[m]> How can Linux boot in EfFAT though
if it's lower than version 5.7 in Debian by default? I
don't think GRUB or Initramfs can read ExFAT without their
modules, too.
1954[22:48:48] <mspe> mrjpaxton[m]: grub has an exfat module
1955[22:48:51] <jhutchins> mentor: Hm. Superblock... Perhaps so.
So we have redundant an potentially conflicting information, the
partition table and the superblock.
1965[22:50:38] <mspe> mrjpaxton[m]: then grub with the exfat and
iso9660 modules goes fetching vmlinuz and initrd inside iso, load
those in ram then boots
1966[22:51:29] <mentor> Well, it all makes sense if you know that
a filesystem has its own ideas, and doesn't make sense if you
don't. At least, for me.
1967[22:51:43] <mrjpaxton[m]> No, but I really do support the
native ExFAT driver. I tried it out jsut as Ubuntu 20.04 came out,
and I am really impressed by it. I hope at least Linux 5.7 gets used
in Debian 11. I've backported the newer kernel in Debian, and
it works great. (I also wanted Wireguard integrated in it, too.)
it's so much better than the FUSE one.
1968[22:52:33] <sney> it looks like debian 11 will probably ship
with some 5.10.x
1969[22:52:52] <mrjpaxton[m]> Oh wow, that seems too new.
1970[22:52:53] <mspe> mrjpaxton[m]: currently debian testing is
linux 5.10
1971[22:53:23] <mrjpaxton[m]> Wasn't Linux 5.4 or something
already out when Buster was released?
1972[22:53:47] <mrjpaxton[m]> But it's still using 4.19.
1973[22:53:50] <mspe> no, buster is 4.19
1974[22:53:59] <mspe> oops
1975[22:54:02] <urk> jmcnaught> Name of the file is
firmware-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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1978[22:55:22] <mspe> mrjpaxton[m]: I prefer using my own
standalone custom grub image to boot stuff, but ventoy is close to
what I wanted to do and already kinda mature despite its name
1980[22:55:59] <mrjpaxton[m]> urk: This might seem weird, but you
can also try the live image instead of the net install if you
can't get it working. It also has an installer that can update
packaged from the Web. I've very recently had success
installing 10.8.0 recently with the live+nonfree ISO.
1987[23:01:15] <urk> mrjpaxton[m]> What type and model of
computer are you on? I'm on a Dell XPS 15 7590 which came out
towards the end of 2019.
1988[23:01:52] <urk> I did not have any luck installing the live
image earlier with the stable release. At one point I got testing
working, but that was it.
1990[23:02:11] <mrjpaxton[m]> I have a custom PC build. So
I'm not sure if that'll help.
1991[23:03:17] <mrjpaxton[m]> I'm just saying the live image
can be more versatile, I suppose. So I like it more. The net
installer is good for people who want a quick download, and can
install specific software to many machines at once, maybe.
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1995[23:06:16] <urk> I seem to be dealing with multiple problems:
laptop is too new and firmware isn't yet supported by stable
release, bugs in the stable release. I shouldn't getting
prompted for a uefi partition, etc.
2004[23:11:40] <urk> strange. This time the base system is
installing. I may want to run diagnostics on the port after the
install ever finally gets up and running.
2008[23:14:18] <urk> There is also an error with insertion of the
mirror name. After initially selecting a mirror, the name is not
carried over to the input field so it helps if the user has a
photogenic memory : ) I dont
2009[23:15:52] <dvs> phtogenic? I'll take a picture of your
brain!
2010[23:17:11] <urk> I looked up a mirror on the net, and entered
it, but the next input field is now asking me to enter the name of
the directory in which the mirror of the Debian archive is located
at
2023[23:25:03] <urk> dvs> It doesn't like that one, and
says "An eerror has been detected while trying to use the
specified Debian archive mirror. Possible reasons for the error are:
incorrect mirror specified; mirror is not available (possibly due to
an unreliable network connection); mirror is broken (for example
because an invalid Release file was found); mirror does not support
the correct Debian version. Additional details may be available in
2024[23:25:04] <urk> /var/log/syslog or on virtual console 4.
Please check the specified mirror or try another one. I assume I can
get this error message if there is no access to an outside network,
but not sure how to look this up on /var/log/syslog. I am going to
drop to shell and take a peak.
2026[23:26:02] <jmcnaught> urk: you cannot access a mirror
because you have no network connection because you are using a
Debian 10 installer with a kernel too old for your wifi.
2027[23:26:03] <jhutchins> Try dropping the US.
2028[23:26:27] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: Ah, good call.
2029[23:26:36] <dvs> ???
2030[23:26:37] <jmcnaught> urk: the installer should give you an
option to continue without a mirror.
2033[23:28:05] <urk> jmcnaught> Incidentally I am in syslog,
and the name of the release is buster contrib main non-free, 10.8.0,
unofficial amd64, netinst wifi with firmware.
2034[23:29:56] <jmcnaught> urk: with no network connection it
would have made sense to use a larger ISO like DVD-1 so you would
have fewer packages you need to sneakernet after installation. A
netinst however can install a basic Debian system without a network
connection, and that is all you need for now.
2036[23:31:50] <urk> jmcnaught> If I can get the firmware on
here then I can run debootstrap.
2037[23:32:42] <jmcnaught> urk: I would forget about debootstrap.
Install Debian with a normal debian installer image like you are
doing now.
2038[23:33:37] <jmcnaught> urk: Once you install even a basic
Debian system to the computer, if it boots then you can use a USB
stick to copy backports firmware and kernel packages from another
computer.
2039[23:33:47] <urk> jmcnaught> It isn't so easy. I had
no problem at all with earlier versions of 10. 10.8.0 seems to have
some issues with this laptop.
2040[23:35:13] <jmcnaught> urk: have you tried using a different
USB stick at any point?
2041[23:35:39] <urk> yes
2042[23:35:48] <urk> That isn't the problem.
2043[23:37:10] <ryouma> (late to the conv but i second the notion
that lvm can be pretty confusing. that is why i do not use it. i
don't want to have to wrap my head around 3 layers of concepts
and edge cases when debugging os. but that's just me and there
are many who swear by it.)
2044[23:38:05] <dvs> ryouma: you're not alone
2045[23:38:31] <koollman> if you think lvm is confusing, try
explaining to a new linux user how to repartition their storage over
irc without causing data losses :)
2064[23:52:10] <urk> <mrjpaxton[m]> Is that a stable
release network install?
2065[23:53:18] <mrjpaxton[m]> Oh sorry, those are the live
images. But they worked for me. I think you can even install Debian
from the live session, if you want to.
2066[23:53:41] <urk> mrjpaxton[m]> I usually use xfce.
I'm installing the os on a very fast laptop, perhaps too fast.
Later on I am going to experiment with turning down the clock to see
if it extends battery life. Battery life and screen brightness were
under rated by Dell. I'm getting pretty close to 10 hrs, and
500 nits.
2067[23:53:43] <mrjpaxton[m]> Or they also have the installer if
you select it from the boot menu.
2068[23:53:52] <urk> ok thansk
2069[23:54:04] <urk> was this a stable release?
2070[23:54:44] <mrjpaxton[m]> urk: If you pick the live XFCE ISO,
then when you install it, it will automatically install XFCE. All
those live images are for Debian Stable, yes.
2071[23:54:45] <ryouma> that is extremely luminous