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5[00:01:15] <LtL> cluelessperson: gnome-terminal to be
precise, after the desktop appears
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7[00:02:23] <bamb> how can i use the ip command to get a list
of all network interfaces (whether they are up or down)?
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9[00:02:41] <LtL> cluelessperson: i don't know what DE
you use but gnome-tweak tool may have the auto-login somewhere
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10[00:02:51] <LtL> bamb: ip a ?
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12[00:03:07] <bamb> i tried "ip addr"
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13[00:03:11] <bamb> is that the same?
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17[00:05:05] <LtL> bamb: looks like it is yes
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18[00:05:37] <LtL> bamb: you would need the man page for
specifics
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21[00:06:18] <cluelessperson> LtL: if you have gnome
installed...
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22[00:06:30] <LtL> cluelessperson: ys, 'if.'
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23[00:06:36] <LtL> yes
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25[00:06:57] <hellyeah> how*hey
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26[00:07:04] <hellyeah> i ave this line export
JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.8.0_144/
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27[00:07:12] <hellyeah> but java command not working still
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28[00:07:16] <hellyeah> can you help me?
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34[00:09:31] <jmcnaught> dpkg: not working
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35[00:09:31] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
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39[00:09:50] <jmcnaught> hellyeah: also have you seen
replaced-url
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70[00:30:47] <ryanzc> hey everyone, its been awhile since i
used hexchat or the irc, but im running into an issue with Synaptic
and i could use some help
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73[00:31:52] <ryanzc> I keep running into a GTK error when
trying to open the program
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76[00:32:55] <aloo_shu> ryancz how do you open synaptic?
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77[00:33:35] <ryanzc> Normally by clicking the icon, but after
entering my password for authentication, nothing shows up
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78[00:34:15] <ryanzc> I tried using terminal with a command i
found somewhere, and i get this error
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80[00:34:20] <ryanzc> (synaptic:5341): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot
open display: :0
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84[00:36:06] <aloo_shu> ryancz, it's very likely the
command you found somewhere. you cannot start synaptic directly as
root, unless you sterted the wholre desktop session as root
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86[00:36:37] <ryanzc> right, but still, i cannot open synaptic
normally like i always have
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87[00:36:41] <aloo_shu> synaptic is started throug
'privilege elevation', ryancz
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90[00:37:18] <ryanzc> I'm not sure if something became
corrupt, i did try reinstalling all packages but it did not work
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93[00:38:14] <aloo_shu> ryancz , you are just in a terminal
window, not in a tty reched thruough ctrl-alt Fsomething, right
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94[00:38:18] <aloo_shu> ?
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96[00:38:46] <rotaticus> ryanzc, try starting something else as
root that spawns a window
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99[00:39:08] <aloo_shu> you are in a graphoical desktop
session, are you, ryancz ?
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100[00:40:10] <ryanzc> okay rotaticus, can you give me an
example of a program i can try that with? And yes aloo_shuu it is in
a graphical session. Normally i dont start synaptic via a terminal
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101[00:40:47] <ryanzc> but since i cant start it by clicking the
icon, thats what ive been trying to start it with
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103[00:41:25] <aloo_shu> ok, ryancz, then open a terminal
window, and do NOT become root
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105[00:41:32] <ryanzc> okay
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107[00:42:06] <ryanzc> (i did try running wireshark as root but
got another error0
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109[00:42:29] <aloo_shu> then, ryancz, type 'pkexec'
and press the 'Tab' button twice. Is there an item called
'pkexec-synaptuc'? ryancz
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111[00:43:11] <aloo_shu> synaptic, typo
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113[00:43:24] <ryanzc> just pkexec right?
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115[00:43:59] <ryanzc> it lists commands, doesnt show any files
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116[00:44:22] <aloo_shu> you just type 'pkexec', and
when you pres the tab button twice, it should show the possible
completions.
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117[00:44:39] <ryanzc> pkexec --version |
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118[00:44:39] <ryanzc> --help |
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119[00:44:39] <ryanzc> --disable-internal-agent |
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120[00:44:39] <ryanzc> [--user username] PROGRAM [ARGUMENTS...]
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121[00:44:39] <ryanzc> See the pkexec manual page for more
details.
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123[00:44:50] <aloo_shu> yes, ryancz, exactly, it lists
commands. Is 'pkexec-synaptic' one of them?
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128[00:45:33] <ryanzc> oopsies
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129[00:45:56] <ryanzc> well, at any rate, no i dont see the
synaptic option
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130[00:46:10] <aloo_shu> ryancz, pkexec, not return, just tab 2x
to see possibilities
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132[00:46:44] <ryanzc> whoah, there we go, let me look here
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134[00:47:02] <ryanzc> no, synaptic isnt listed
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135[00:47:24] <aloo_shu> ryancz, but do not post more than 1,2
lines here. that kicked you out... :)
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136[00:47:31] <ryanzc> I know lol
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137[00:47:49] <ryanzc> oh wait there is a more button
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138[00:48:09] <ryanzc> nope, not there
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139[00:48:41] <aloo_shu> ryancz, more simple. type
'pkexec-synaptic &' and return, what happens?
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141[00:49:14] <ryanzc> ampersand included?
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142[00:49:52] <aloo_shu> yes
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143[00:50:02] <ryanzc> command not found
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146[00:50:48] <aloo_shu> ok, fine, ryancz. then just try
'sudo synaptic &'
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149[00:51:42] <ryanzc> it says [2] 19226
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150[00:51:42] <ryanzc> and [1] Exit 127 pkexec-synaptic
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151[00:51:53] <Murda> How can I disable wlan0 interface so it
wont come up on boot
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162[00:54:59] <aloo_shu> ryancz, weird, if somebody else wants
to take over.. but try this now: whereis synaptic
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163[00:55:52] <aloo_shu> ryancz I would expect /usr/bin/synaptic
or similar as an answer
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166[00:56:13] <ryanzc> it comes up in several places
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169[00:56:43] <aloo_shu> is /usr/bin/synaptic one of them?
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170[00:56:58] <ryanzc> nope
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171[00:57:07] <ryanzc> i see /usr/sbin
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173[00:57:38] <ryanzc> (/usr/sbin/synaptic)
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178[00:57:59] <aloo_shu> ok, then, ryancz : 'sudo
/usr/sbin/synaptic' .
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182[00:59:11] <ryanzc> no protocol specified, unable to init
server, could not connect, connection refused
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183[00:59:20] <ryanzc> and then that gtk warning again
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184[00:59:47] <ryanzc> cannot open display
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187[01:02:13] <aloo_shu> ryancz, just one more try,
'whereis pkexec-synaptic' spell it exact
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188[01:02:54] <ryanzc> pkexec-synaptic:
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189[01:03:01] <ryanzc> thats all it says
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190[01:03:04] <SuperTramp83> ryanzc, do you have
policykit-1-gnome installed?
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191[01:03:31] <aloo_shu> ryancz, follow him
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192[01:03:44] <aloo_shu> or her
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196[01:04:08] <SuperTramp83> I'm a genderless cat :)
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197[01:04:15] <ryanzc> lol
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198[01:04:20] <ryanzc> yes i have it installed
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199[01:04:51] <SuperTramp83> hmm, I know on another distro I had
to install that to make it work ..
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201[01:05:56] <SuperTramp83> ryanzc, it works fine if you launch
it from terminal?
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203[01:06:29] <ryanzc> normally i just open it from the icon,
but it wont open via that or the terminal
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204[01:07:40] <aloo_shu> (that would be sudo apt-get install
policykit-1-gnome I assume. worth a try, no?)
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205[01:08:04] <SuperTramp83> yeah, and also log out and back in
or reboot
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206[01:08:07] <SuperTramp83> maybe reinstall it
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207[01:08:19] <SuperTramp83> sudo apt install policyblabla
--reinstall
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209[01:08:34] <ryanzc> reinstall that package
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210[01:08:42] <aloo_shu> apt-get ..
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211[01:09:08] <SuperTramp83> aloo_shu, you need to update
thyself :P
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213[01:09:42] <SuperTramp83> only apt now \o/
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215[01:10:24] <ryanzc> did the reinstall
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216[01:10:27] * aloo_shu dpkg -P aloo_shu
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217[01:10:30] <ryanzc> but it did not help
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218[01:10:46] <SuperTramp83> did you reboot or log out and back?
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219[01:10:59] <ryanzc> ill try brb
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221[01:11:29] <SuperTramp83> aloo_shu, hehe
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223[01:12:04] * aloo_shu not installed. you cann install it by
typing...
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226[01:13:20] <ryanzc> nope didnt work after reboot
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233[01:16:08] <SuperTramp83> :(
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236[01:17:33] <ryanzc> im out of ideas
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240[01:19:02] <ryanzc> im going to come back here later and try
again
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243[01:20:19] <aloo_shu> ryanz you said you reinstalled all
packages. I do not know how you did, but maybe that was it. and but
there is one more
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244[01:20:29] <aloo_shu> option
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247[01:20:53] <aloo_shu> press ctrl-alt F!
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248[01:21:07] <aloo_shu> ryancz press ctrl-alt F1
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255[01:23:22] <aloo_shu> and you have a full desktop session as
root. synaptic might start then, but something else still seems to
be wrong
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320[01:52:39] <HeXiLeD> debian 9 The following packages have
unmet dependencies:
replaced-url
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327[01:54:41] <foxpup> HeXiLeD, maybe resolve it with links?
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331[01:55:51] <aloo_shu> HeXiLeD the key is possibly: you have
held broken packages.
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332[01:56:07] <HeXiLeD> links the package ? or links to sources
?
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334[01:56:30] <HeXiLeD> aloo_shu: possibly but apt check says
nothing about it
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337[01:56:56] <foxpup> you google if you can find other
versions, maybe even in arch
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338[01:57:22] <foxpup> then you try if you can use then instead
bij remaning or linking
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340[01:57:31] <foxpup> just an idea
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343[01:58:05] <foxpup> *renaming*
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344[01:58:21] <aloo_shu> HeXiLeD I'm by no means a nerd, I
would know how to locate broken packages from synaptic.
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348[01:59:22] <aloo_shu> I do not know how apt check works, and
being on a tablet, I cannot check by man now. But starting with man
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357[02:01:19] <aloo_shu> with man dpkg you ought to find out how
to list held packages, and when you have them, it maybe rings a
bell. The must
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362[02:02:08] <aloo_shu> There must have been a situation that
led to these packages getting held an d breaking
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368[02:06:55] <bamb> hey guys, i just installed stretch 9.1 and
my application needs some older libraries
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369[02:07:00] <bamb> how can i get these?
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370[02:07:13] <bamb> for example, it needs libgcrypt.so.11
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378[02:11:04] <foxpup> hello bamb
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379[02:13:01] <HeXiLeD> i am getting them with wget from jessie
repos
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381[02:14:06] <bamb> this is completely unsupported, right?
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382[02:14:25] <foxpup> right
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384[02:14:44] <foxpup> (I would do the same thing btw)
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385[02:15:23] <foxpup> are you sure you can't resolve it
with a symlink?
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386[02:15:49] <foxpup> *to the new version
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390[02:16:10] <Paul^> hello
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396[02:16:56] <Paul^> I'm looking from connect another pc
to the tor network throght another with debian
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398[02:17:25] <Paul^> when I try to set sock5 port 9150 ,
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399[02:17:30] <Paul^> firefox
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401[02:17:42] <aloo_shu> HeXiLeD and install them - how?
'by hand' with dpkg? Have you installed something with
--force options before?
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402[02:17:54] <HeXiLeD> dpkg -i
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403[02:17:54] <dpkg> HeXiLeD: I'm not sure, is it larger
than a breadbox?
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405[02:19:00] <Paul^> I have tor working on debian, and another
machine in the same lan , when I set the 2 pc to use the fisrt it
doesn't go
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406[02:19:48] <Paul^> so I think : by default tor is setted to
don't accept external connection to the socks5 port ?
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409[02:20:29] <aloo_shu> HeXiLeD there is a bot here called
dpkg, it reacts to 'dpkg' :) Is there a good reason why
you do not use synanaptic, aptitude, or apt/apt get?
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413[02:21:34] <HeXiLeD> aloo_shu: oh ya. Very good reason. These
packages are not available for stretch yet.
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416[02:22:22] <aloo_shu> and did you previously use --force or
--ignore ?
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420[02:23:59] <HeXiLeD> neither
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422[02:24:23] <aloo_shu> HeXiLeD , good reason, bad idea to mix
distros overriding defaults if you don't know how to fix the
resulting s
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423[02:25:41] <aloo_shu> well, I was to say mess, but anyway, if
you are ready to loose a few of your installed 'newer'
packages, there is at leasst a chance that you caj get your system
into a state where packages install without errors
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427[02:29:01] <aloo_shu> HeXiLed , it's possible from cli,
but I would start synaptic, list packages by 'State' -
'Broken' and uninstall the broken packages, the dialogs
should give yoiu a picture of how far the consequences will reach
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444[02:36:24] <Paul^> hello
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446[02:37:39] <afx237> anyone using debian jessie with
unattended upgrades have issues with routing or anything? one of my
VPSes at vultr went offline pretty much exactly when the kernel
upgrade happened, rebooting doesn't help. it gets the right IP
from DHCP, but no default gateway
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449[02:39:30] <Paul^> by default debian lock connectin on a
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458[02:46:21] <n4dir> Paul^: i don't remember much, but
when i used tor from a different PC running i used "ssh
port-forwarding". (I used privoxy too, btw)
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464[02:47:51] <Paul^> n4dir, ssh port-forwarding is a tunnel , I
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476[02:53:29] <bamb> has anyone here debugged a remote machine
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480[02:54:54] <netvor> because I find the manpage rather ...
unclear
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481[02:55:19] <netvor> is it just to move stuff from /usr/local
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522[03:23:55] <Henry151> so, I've been trying to wrap my
head around firefox vs firefox esr for some time; I think I get the
basic concept, but I'm still left with one question -- which
one should I use, and why? XD
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539[03:25:00] <dvs> Henry151, whichever you like
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547[03:27:12] <Henry151> lol
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548[03:27:14] <Henry151> thanks
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549[03:27:26] <Henry151> which one is likely to be
"newer" or more up to date?
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551[03:28:01] <jelly> firefox-esr is going to be up to date.
firefox is going to be newer, but not always available from Debian
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552[03:28:08] <dvs> Henry151, the non-esr one of course but they
both get security fixes
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554[03:28:45] <Henry151> ok. so I think I'll run the
non-esr as my standard choice.
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555[03:28:47] <Henry151> thanks fellas
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568[03:31:13] <cluelessperson> hey guys, I modified this file:
/etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty\@tty1.service
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569[03:31:20] <cluelessperson> but it seems to be overwritten
when I install stuff?
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570[03:31:42] <jelly> dvs: I wouldn't say firefox gets
security fixes, the only place where it's up to date is sid
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572[03:32:25] <jelly> mozilla's build gets fixes if you
install from tarball and unpack it as the same user that is going to
run it
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574[03:33:52] <jelly> Henry151: ^^ you can't get a build of
"firefox" the release branch ("non-esr") from
Debian right now
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584[03:39:40] <dvs> oh ok
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591[03:47:12] <cluelessperson> hey guys, I can't do
"systemctl daemon-reload" in a chroot, how do I update the
chroot's systemd after modifying a file?
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595[03:52:01] <Henry151> jelly, dvs -- so I should run esr, if i
want to be safest, and also don't want to download a
tarball/want to only use apt?
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597[03:52:42] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: a chroot would not
have its own systemd. You could use systemd-nspawn containers, or
LXC, if you need that
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598[03:52:51] <Henry151> jelly: because i seem to have both
firefox and firefox-esr on my machine
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599[03:53:11] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught: I don't
understand
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600[03:53:24] <Henry151> i'm just trying to figure out
which one i should be using.. i don't want to download straight
from mozilla, i just want to make the best choice between the two
options already installed on my machine
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601[03:53:29] <themill> cluelessperson: it would be very unusual
to run system inside a chroot
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602[03:53:30] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught: I just want to modify
the service.conf file
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603[03:53:45] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught: without it being
overwriten when I do the next apt-get install
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605[03:54:23] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: i don't know
where service.conf lives but if it's a conffile then it should
not get overwritten
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606[03:54:29] <themill> it is a conffile
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607[03:54:46] <cluelessperson> themill: yes
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608[03:55:00] <cluelessperson>
/etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty\@tty1.service
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611[03:55:13] <cluelessperson> er .service apparently
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612[03:55:24] <themill> cluelessperson: I think it would be
helpful if you took a step back from the problem and explained what
you're doing
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613[03:55:29] <themill> and why
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615[03:56:11] <dvs> Henry151, I'd just run esr because
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617[03:56:33] <cluelessperson> themill: I used debootstrap to
build debian in a chroot. I chroot into that environment, modify
that file, and I do "apt-get install something" and the
file is back to the way it was.
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618[03:56:57] <cluelessperson> themill: I can't have the
new system autologin if the conf is overwritten
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625[04:02:54] <jelly> Henry151: use esr. firefox release current
upstream version is 55.0.2, if you have anything lower it's too
old and has known security issues
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627[04:03:25] <jelly> ,v firefox
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628[04:03:26] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 55.0-2
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633[04:04:54] <themill> cluelessperson: which file and which
something?
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634[04:05:20] <cluelessperson> themill:
/etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty\@tty1.service
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635[04:05:36] <themill> is that a file or a symlink?
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636[04:06:18] <cluelessperson> themill: I'm doing cat
<<EOF > thatfile so if it's a link, it's
modifying the link
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637[04:06:33] <themill> and that would be a problem. So which is
it?
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638[04:07:16] <themill> also, where is it coming from to begin
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692[04:49:49] <gmcastil> trying to install 32-bit libraries for
some 3rd party binaries on 64-bit platform. sort of stuck - I need
libX11.so.6 but dont know what package to install (or is there a
separate repo i need to enable to install that?)?
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695[04:51:02] <jmcnaught> !multi-arch
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696[04:51:02] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign
architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be
installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386
&& apt-get update». See
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698[04:51:57] <gmcastil> jmcnaught: oh....so the reason it wasnt
showing up in my listing was because i hadnt added i386 to the list
of architectures that could be installed for?
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701[04:52:42] <jmcnaught> if you need to install 32-bit versions
of packages on a 64-bit system then you need to enable multi-arch as
described above
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703[04:53:29] <jmcnaught> ,file libX11.so.6
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704[04:53:34] <judd> Search for libX11.so.6 in stretch/amd64:
libx11-6: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6
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706[04:53:56] <jmcnaught> ,file libX11.so.6 --architecture i386
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707[04:53:57] <judd> (file <pattern> [--arch
<amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) --
Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which,
by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is
given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7);
note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is
required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by
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708[04:53:58] <judd> default.
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709[04:54:04] <jmcnaught> ,file libX11.so.6 --arch i386
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710[04:54:08] <judd> Search for libX11.so.6 in stretch/i386:
libx11-6: usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6
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711[04:54:45] <gmcastil> great - thanks for the help. i'll
read the MA docs a bit now that i have a basic idea how it works
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712[04:54:53] <jmcnaught> gmcastil: you can search for what
package a file is in with apt-file on your system, you can /msg judd
to do it, or you can search by file on
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716[04:55:48] <gmcastil> jmcnaught: do i still install the i386
libraries using apt-get?
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717[04:56:09] <jmcnaught> yes
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719[04:57:03] <jmcnaught> for example "apt-get install
libx11-6:i386"
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720[04:57:36] <gmcastil> ah, i had tried that earlier, but didnt
have it enabled...looks to be working now
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722[04:57:38] <gmcastil> thanks
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723[04:57:46] <gmcastil> i'm sure my binary wont run yet,
but this is progress
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748[05:18:43] <Ellied> did sagemath just get removed from
Testing? It wants to remove it along with a dist-upgrade.
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750[05:20:37] <jmcnaught> Ellied: you can look it up on
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753[05:23:02] <Ellied> gotcha
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755[05:27:20] <jair> Hello my debian family, I know this is
related to the specific package vsftp
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758[05:28:36] <jair> Here are the details >>
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760[05:28:49] <jair> any feedback will be appreciated
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764[05:30:14] <jmcnaught> !ftp must die
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765[05:30:14] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE!
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767[05:31:25] <jair> I appreciate your feedback and will
definitely consider it
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768[05:31:55] <jair> jmcnaught: but it does not help at all with
the current problem. thx
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769[05:32:13] <jmcnaught> jair: you said any feedback
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770[05:32:32] <jair> jmcnaught: your are right :)
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772[05:32:52] <jmcnaught> does the problem happen if you connect
from localhost?
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773[05:33:06] <jair> jmcnaught: let me check
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777[05:35:07] <jair> jmcnaught: I just get connection refused
messages when trying to connect from the host itself
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781[05:36:23] <jmcnaught> is vsftpd configured to refuse
localhost, or is it bound to just one interface or something? I only
suggested to see if perhaps something on your network is interfering
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783[05:36:56] <jmcnaught> it's probably something else,
like implementation details between not-quite standarized protocol
of using TLS with FTP
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786[05:39:33] <jair> jmcnaught: right, this is what supposed to
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788[05:39:54] <jair> that is the good result from another vsftp
server
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795[05:44:11] <jmcnaught> that already looks pretty verbose.
does anyone else have that gnutls error -15? from what I remember
about ftp it was also more complicated than it should be to firewall
it properly, especially if NAT is involved
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796[05:44:24] <jmcnaught> good luck, and hopefully some time
soon you can switch to using sftp
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798[05:45:19] <jair> jmcnaught: sftp will be different from
vsftp over tls?
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802[05:46:38] <jmcnaught> sftp uses openssh
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803[05:46:54] <jair> jmcnaught: ahhh like ssh
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805[05:47:09] <jmcnaught> that is… openssh has a built-in
sftp server, and the openssh also has an sftp client
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806[05:47:54] <jair> but isn't the point of ftp to transfer
without encrypting the data I need to talk with the people I am
working with, if they want somethign encrypted just use sftp
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807[05:47:57] <jair> of course
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809[05:49:13] <jmcnaught> sftp only encrypts the data in
transit, not at rest. the user experience is exactly like using FTP
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810[05:49:24] <jmcnaught> except you can also use SSH keys for
authentication
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812[05:49:53] <cluelessperson> Hey guys, is there a way make an
alias only run if the alias is JUST that one word?
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813[05:50:00] <cluelessperson> command NOT command arg arg arg
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815[05:51:52] <netvor> btw, for people who read backlog: my q
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818[05:52:38] <tripkin> cluelessperson, I suspect that would
largely depend on whether the original command requires the args. If
it does, then the alias should include the default / desired args...
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821[05:53:30] <jair> jmcnaught: thank you, the only different I
noticed between both protocols is that ftp transfer was way faster
than sftp or scp
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823[05:54:07] <jair> jmcnaught: and I guess it will make sense
since the data has to be encrypted
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824[05:54:35] <cluelessperson> tripkin: hm. :/
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831[05:56:53] <tripkin> does the original command require args?
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836[05:59:02] <cluelessperson> tripkin: yeah, but thanks
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837[05:59:04] <tripkin> Simply put, the alias is just a pointer
to the original command with perhaps a shorter, easier to type, or
easier to remember name....
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839[06:00:17] <tripkin> In that case, "alias
newname=originalcommand arg1 arg2 arg3" would let you use
predefined arguments. You could even have a series of aliases with
different arguments.
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840[06:01:04] <tripkin> .bashrc has an example of new aliases
for ls using that scheme
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841[06:01:28] <tripkin> that is to say, ~/.bashrc
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842[06:01:41] <toruvinn> cluelessperson, so what shoul dhappen
if you run `command arg' in such case?
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845[06:03:32] <toruvinn> cluelessperson, i used to do things
like that with functions, which in bash could look sorta like that:
function something() { if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then echo doing things; else
echo do-something-else-as-we-got-parameters; fi; }
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846[06:04:35] <toruvinn> cluelessperson, if you want to, for
example, have a "ls" with default switches, something like
function ls() { if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then ls -la; else /bin/ls
"$@"; fi; } maybe?
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847[06:04:46] <toruvinn> er. /bin/ls -la ;-)
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858[06:11:00] <somiaj> cluelessperson: almost sounds like an XY
problem, maybe describe exactly what you are trying to achieve.
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876[06:24:19] <pragomer> what would you recommend if I have the
suspect my hdd had a hardware error: backblocks or smartctl -t long
?
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877[06:25:02] <cluelessperson> somiaj: sorry . I'm trying
to setup a kiosk. The problem has become now, "when the user
logs out of the terminal (with exit), how can I log them back in
again"
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879[06:26:09] <cluelessperson> and I think I answered my
question
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880[06:26:10] <cluelessperson> :P
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882[06:26:35] <cluelessperson> pragomer: have backups so you
don't care, watch for errors in smart status. :)
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883[06:27:17] <somiaj> cluelessperson: this might be able to be
done with the display manager. There have been lots of different
ways people have setup kiosks, maybe look up in google what people
have done for ideas.
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884[06:27:44] <somiaj> I know displaymangers can autologin,
wonder if they can (with out modification) relogin after a logout.
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885[06:28:08] <somiaj> cluelessperson: oh is this a console only
kiosk? By termial do you mean console, or say xterm?
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888[06:28:49] <pragomer> backups arent the problem.
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889[06:29:04] <cluelessperson> somiaj: I got it to auto login at
the console login, then I set it to start a gui application
automaticlaly at login, if the user wants to exit the gui and use
the terminal they may.
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890[06:29:07] <pragomer> just want to know if the hdd is ok
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891[06:29:22] <cluelessperson> somiaj: it's a kiosk ram
only live cd :)
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892[06:29:24] <cluelessperson> 220mb
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898[06:32:52] <toruvinn> i much prefer smartctl -t long tbh.
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900[06:32:59] <toruvinn> sadly, he left already.
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902[06:33:23] <toruvinn> in fact i consider running smartctl -t
long at least every other month to be a good practice.
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903[06:33:42] <toruvinn> especially if you have WD drives or
drives larger than 2TB. ;-p
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904[06:34:01] <SomDep5> how set framebuffer up in Debian 9.1? To
use, say 1024x768? "hwinfo --framebuffer" shows multiple
options, but fbset says "open /dev/fb0: No such file or
device". Suggestions? url ?
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905[06:35:23] <jair> hello jmcnaught found got the issue
resolved
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906[06:35:42] <somiaj> SomDep5: framebuffers are partly things
of the past, most modern video cards use a modesetting driver. Many
modesetting drivers emulate some framebuffer settings.
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907[06:35:44] <jair> jmcnaught: the problem was on the new
version of vsftp server
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910[06:36:04] <somiaj> SomDep5: In most cases I suggest just
changing the console font if you don't like the native
resolution the modesetting driver is detecting for the mointor.
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911[06:36:23] <jair> a line >> allow_writeable_chroot=YES
is needed
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912[06:36:31] <jair> jmcnaught: thank you though
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915[06:38:25] <somiaj> SomDep5: do you know what video
card/driver you are using?
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916[06:38:38] <SomDep5> somiaj: Thanks :) Where should I look
forr info on changing the fond?
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917[06:38:55] <somiaj> SomDep5: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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919[06:39:07] <SomDep5> somiaj: Gateway laptop w323-ui1
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921[06:39:22] <somiaj> SomDep5: look at lspci to try to figure
out the video card you have
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controller, VIA Technologies, CN700/P4M800 ProP4M800 CE/VN800
Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] rev 01
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might want to see what video driver it is using.
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928[06:45:10] <SomDep5> somiaj: how find vid driver?
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931[06:47:55] <somiaj> google, I'm getting it seems to use
generic drivers, that dpkg-reconfigure command can reconfigure font
size, but their may not be a framebuffer/kms driver for that card.
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font, whichh is some progress :)
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999[07:44:01] <veek> dig -4 @127.0.0.1 -p 5353 cyberspace.org ;;
Truncated, retrying in TCP mode.
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1000[07:44:17] <veek> why truncated..? i'm querying dnscrypt
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1007[07:51:37] <hans> i know ssh timeouts exist. but how do i
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1008[07:52:18] <hans> since i use ssh tunnels i would prefer
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1038[08:22:35] <rigel> what was that all about? k-lined after
three dozen or so people privmsg'd me a link, all hosted on the
same domain
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1039[08:23:16] <rigel> that domain was clbin.com, and looking at
the history lots of other people got booted as well
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1042[08:23:47] <rigel> this probably belongs on #freenode-help ot
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1046[08:24:31] <th0r> rigel, you might want to consider umode +g
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1047[08:25:33] <rigel> th0r: yeah, #freenode 's topic is
suggesting setting +R. I didnt really think much about mode settings
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1051[08:26:18] <girrrrrrr2> hi
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1057[08:27:38] <`1c3p1ck`> hi
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1058[08:28:08] <chalcedony> hello :)
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1090[08:46:50] <zaoqi> What's testing?deb
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1091[08:47:08] <pragomer> do I install grub into mbr or efi boot
partition when doing an efi install?
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1094[08:48:10] <th0r> pragomer, where did #ubuntu tell you to up
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1095[08:48:12] <Haohmaru> zaoqi, it's the code name for the
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1097[08:49:24] <zaoqi> libpq5 stretch:9.6.4-0+deb9u1
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1098[08:50:46] <pragomer> only posted it to several channels
becaus I am in a hurry continuing the installation and I am not
really sure where to put grub *SORRY*
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1103[08:55:11] <obiwahn> I have a package that contains a config
file next to {pre,post}{rm,inst}
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1104[08:55:24] <obiwahn> it does not seem to be called by one of
the four
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1105[08:55:42] <obiwahn> and i can not spot such a file in the
maintainer guide
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1106[08:55:54] <obiwahn> i just wonder how it might be called.
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1107[08:56:00] <obiwahn> or when
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1114[08:58:20] <zaoqi> What is the difference between
experimental, unstable and testing?
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1118[09:00:35] <Haohmaru> zaoqi, that's explained somewhere
on the debian website
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1119[09:01:04] <zaoqi> Where?
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1126[09:05:20] <jenenliu> hi guys, I want to a package, and it
required libprotobuf.so.9
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1127[09:05:26] <jenenliu> I've installed libprotobuf.so.9
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1128[09:05:30] <obiwahn> debconf-devel(7)
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1129[09:05:31] <jenenliu> but I got this error : usr/bin/ld:
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1130[09:05:35] <obiwahn> :)
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1133[09:05:47] <jenenliu> I try to uninstall libprotobuf.so.10,
but seem they are bind with libprotobuf-dev and protobuf-compiler in
debian
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1142[09:06:43] <iodev> jenenliu: you either remove all protobuf
or nothing at all
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1144[09:07:30] <jenenliu> iodev: yes, when I try to remove
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1145[09:08:10] <jenenliu> iodev: can't I just install
libprotobuf.so.9 and their dependencies , without libprotobuf.so.10
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1146[09:08:15] <iodev> how did you install .9?
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1147[09:08:20] <jenenliu> apt
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1148[09:08:26] <iodev> package name pls
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1150[09:08:47] <jenenliu> libprotobuf9
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1152[09:09:23] <jelly> zaoqi: as a first step, you can ask the
bot about things, like this: /msg dpkg experimental
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1153[09:09:24] <iodev> libprotobuf9 has nothing to do with
libprotobuf-dev
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1154[09:09:33] <iodev> you should install libprotobuf9-dev
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1157[09:10:33] <jenenliu> iodev:
replaced-url
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1159[09:10:53] <jenenliu> this is what I got when I run
'apt-cache search libprotobuf'
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1163[09:11:58] <jenenliu> seem there is not libprotobuf9-dev
package
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1166[09:15:17] <Snowdrift> hi, How to install mediatomb on debian
9?
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1169[09:16:09] <iodev> jenenliu: hmm, then leave it as is,
it's after all 'may conflict'
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1170[09:16:12] <iodev> (it may not)
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1172[09:17:15] <jenenliu> iodev: nope, when I uninstall
libprotobuf10, my CMakeLists.txt just complains
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1176[09:17:54] <jenenliu> and I just can't link ok with this
conflict
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1177[09:18:10] <iodev> jenenliu: why don't you just upgrade
your code to libprotobuf10 then
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1179[09:18:36] <jenenliu> Hmm, it is wrote by others, and I just
get the so lib
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1181[09:19:20] <iodev> jenenliu: what if you do a trick
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1182[09:19:38] <iodev> uninstall libprotobuf9, and do a symbolic
link to libprotobuf.so.10
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1184[09:20:28] <jenenliu> iodev: how can I find where
libprobotuf.so.10 is ?
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1185[09:21:00] <iodev> just look in /lib64 or /usr/lib
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1187[09:21:18] <iodev> (/lib on 32-bit)
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1189[09:23:59] <jenenliu> Hmm, seem there is not, I try to grep
with proto and google
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1192[09:25:05] <iodev> jenenliu: nvm, it's in /usr/local/lib
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1194[09:25:54] <jenenliu> :( still not
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1195[09:25:59] <jenenliu> but cmake can find it
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1196[09:26:08] <jelly> ,file libprotobuf.so.10 --arch amd64
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1197[09:26:13] <judd> Search for libprotobuf.so.10 in
stretch/amd64: libprotobuf10:
usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libprotobuf.so.10
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1199[09:26:51] <iodev> ahh so it is in /usr/lib jenenliu
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1201[09:27:31] <jelly> not /usr/lib,
/usr/lib/triplet-depending-on-architecture
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1202[09:27:43] <jenenliu> yep, I see that
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1203[09:28:00] <jenenliu> and I got this
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1204[09:28:01] <jenenliu>
replaced-url
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1207[09:28:24] <jenenliu> is it make a symbolic link really work
?
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1208[09:29:03] <jelly> jenenliu: which debian release is this?
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1210[09:32:08] <jenenliu> seems it is debian 9
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1212[09:33:03] <jenenliu> jelly
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1213[09:33:04] <jelly> jenenliu: what does "lsb_release
-sc" say
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1214[09:33:22] <jenenliu> unstable
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1215[09:33:56] <jelly> so it's something else, not debian 9
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1216[09:34:08] <jelly> jenenliu: pastebin your
/etc/apt/sources.list
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1219[09:34:37] <jelly> and output of "apt-cache policy show
libprotobuf9 libprotobuf10"
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1224[09:37:06] <jenenliu> jelly:
replaced-url
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1228[09:37:27] <jenenliu> jelly: actually I am using deepin 15.4,
which is based on debian =-=
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1229[09:37:48] <jenenliu> deepin irc is almost dead, so I came to
here
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1230[09:38:35] <jelly> so you don't really have a Debian
installation or repos, but a derivative
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1234[09:39:15] <jenenliu> yep, but please help ;(
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1235[09:39:23] <jelly> jenenliu: I suggest installing Debian 9,
then attempting to reproduce
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1237[09:39:43] <jenenliu> what will you do if it is debian
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1239[09:40:06] <jelly> or ask in ##linux, this channel does not
support derivatives (for a number of technical and social reasons)
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1243[09:41:57] <jelly> if it were Debian I'd try to figure
out which version it was and which libs and versions were default,
use those to build software from sources; then I'd ask details
about the package that needs old library
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1244[09:41:59] <MadCyber> Hello, everyone. I'm just moving
from other linux system to Debian 9. Anyone can let me understand
quickly on changing the configuration of GRUB? I found I am not able
to locate the necessary configuration files like menu.lst ???
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1247[09:42:11] <asterismo> hi im having an issue during install
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1248[09:42:31] <asterismo> debian 9 on a panasonic toughbook
cf-31
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1249[09:43:01] <jelly> MadCyber: grub2 has /boot/grub/grub.cfg,
but it's generated automatically. See if editing
/etc/default/grub and running update-grub afterwards is good enough
for your needs
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1251[09:43:35] <asterismo> the installer starts to write random
data for creating the encrypted LVM and after 1% the system reboots
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1252[09:44:11] <asterismo> it happens with 2 ssds and with debian
8 and 9
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1253[09:44:19] <MadCyber> GRUB2? I see, seems I'm too old to
catch it up. I'll try to learn it. Thanks jelly :)
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1254[09:44:25] <asterismo> hardware problem?
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1255[09:44:41] <jenenliu> jelly, thanks anyway
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1256[09:44:58] <asterismo> running debian from the usb works fine
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1257[09:45:25] <asterismo> the rpoblem is during the install
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1258[09:45:56] <asterismo> i tried to pass some parameters like
noapic acpi=off, etc but nothing
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1259[09:46:09] <asterismo> any ideas?
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1260[09:46:12] <jelly> asterismo: can you overwrite the same
partition booted from a live usb, see if the same situation happens
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1262[09:46:41] <asterismo> I can dd zeroes to the entire SDD with
no problem
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1264[09:47:37] <jelly> mmm, I do not know whether you can skip
filling the luks backend device up in the installer
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1266[09:48:02] <asterismo> the system crashes
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1269[09:48:39] <asterismo> if i install with no encryption the
system crashes during copying files
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1272[09:49:59] <jelly> that's interesting, how old is the
machine and how old the ssd? Perhaps there's an incompatibility
somewhere there (that magically does not happen when you write
zeros, ssd firmware may optimize those out)
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1274[09:50:30] <asterismo> machine is core i5 from 2013 - 2014
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1275[09:50:35] <asterismo> ssd is new
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1276[09:51:12] <asterismo> it seems like some sort of overflow
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1277[09:51:19] <jelly> 2013 is reltively recent, ssd is SATA or
mSATA or m.2 format?
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1278[09:51:28] <asterismo> sata
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1279[09:52:03] <asterismo> kingston hyper fury 240gb
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1281[09:52:20] <jelly> and in bios, sata controller is in AHCI /
native mode?
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1282[09:52:37] <asterismo> i tried ahci and compatible
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1283[09:52:52] <asterismo> should i leave at compatible?
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1285[09:53:03] <jelly> are you on battery or AC power?
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1286[09:53:07] <asterismo> ac
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1289[09:53:44] <jelly> that maybe excludes power issues. You
might try doing it on battery power, see if there's any
difference
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1291[09:54:20] <asterismo> ok
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1292[09:54:31] <asterismo> and what can else could it be?
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1293[09:55:06] <asterismo> boot parameters for test?
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1294[09:55:17] <jelly> who knows, kernel issue on specific
hardware
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1297[09:57:21] <jelly> one thing you might do is connect the ssd
to a different system and install debian there
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1299[09:57:48] <asterismo> yeah i thought that would work
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1301[09:58:14] <jelly> driver issues can be fixed afterwards;
still you might find the same crash happens in normal work after
it's installed
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1302[09:58:25] <g0zzy> When you install hplip, it contains Python
script hp-setup (link to). Does that have to be run explicitly or is
it run IMplicitly by, say system-config-printer?
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1304[09:59:06] <asterismo> thanks jelly
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1306[09:59:44] <jelly> g0zzy: I think you run it as a helper
after you first connect a hp printer model. Are there any docs in
/usr/share/doc/hplip/ directory?
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1308[10:00:04] <g0zzy> I'll take a look
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1324[10:08:31] <g0zzy> jelly: Thanks. I needed to install
hplip-doc, although it doesn't answer my initial question ;) I
think that is answered by 'yes'
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1334[10:16:02] <Iridos> what is the command-line tool to see what
outgoing connections happen
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1335[10:16:20] <Iridos> ethsnoop or so?
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1351[10:24:29] <g0zzy> Well there's wireshark but that might
be overkill
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1354[10:25:45] <joze> netstat?
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1360[10:26:51] <OliverUK> Hiya, asking because of my limited
knowledge of Linux based OS's, we have a program that runs on
CentOS, I am more familiar with Debian based systems but the
supplier of the software claims it will not run on Debian, only
CentOS, could this be true or is it more likely that they prefer
CentOS?
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1363[10:27:14] <OliverUK> Thanks in advance :-)
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1365[10:28:08] <Snowdrift> hi, How to make mediatomb on debian 9?
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1366[10:28:19] <bolt> OliverUK: it depends on the program,
really. you could give it a shot, but if you want support from your
supplier, running it on a non-supported os is probably not your best
call
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1367[10:28:20] <iodev> what exactly is the difference between
suspend & hibernate?
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1369[10:28:27] <iodev> is suspend a low power state?
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1372[10:29:01] <bolt> iodev: suspend generally saves state to
ram. hibernate generally saves state to disk and turns off.
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1375[10:30:07] <iodev> bolt: it's very quick resume
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1377[10:30:35] <iodev> yeah save to ram is good, what if batt
runs out?
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1379[10:30:58] <bolt> iodev: roughly the same as simply pulling
the battery
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1381[10:31:20] <iodev> so it crashes?
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1382[10:32:13] <bolt> iodev: well, it will have to boot again.
any data stored in program memory will be lost. file systems should
be fine, as they're synced beforehand, but if something was not
yet saved to disk, or was loaded, deleted, and about to be saved,
that will be gone
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1383[10:32:15] <Antares> Sveta gry ты тут бледина?
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1385[10:32:21] <bolt> !ru
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1386[10:32:21] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian
(irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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1387[10:32:47] <iodev> what if he/she is Bulgarian?
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1388[10:33:03] <bolt> then they should still get the point, i
believe
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1390[10:33:44] <OliverUK> bolt: Sure, thanks :-)
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1392[10:34:28] <bolt> OliverUK: personally, I would install such
an application on a virtual machine with nothing else on it, call it
a black box, keep up with security updates, and don't worry
about it
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1393[10:34:39] <bolt> OliverUK: run your other stuff on a
platform you're comfortable with
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1394[10:34:39] <iodev> maybe, they got different words, but same
russian alphabet
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1396[10:35:08] <OliverUK> bolt: That's exactly what
we're already doing :-)
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1398[10:35:33] <OliverUK> I was more interested WHY something
might not run
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1399[10:35:40] <OliverUK> Just for knowledge
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1402[10:37:25] <bolt> OliverUK: it might not run because of
dependencies on specific libraries that are unavailable, because
paths to programs used in scripts might be different, because it
contains kernel modules precompiled against centos kernels, because
it expects differently named devices or interfaces, or any number of
other reasons
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1403[10:37:57] <bolt> OliverUK: many of which can be beaten a few
times with a sledgehammer to get something running, but then again
support will be an issue
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1404[10:38:07] <OliverUK> Cool
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1406[10:38:20] <OliverUK> Is this mostly poor development then?
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1407[10:39:02] <bolt> OliverUK: depends on the specs, i guess.
making something work on multiple platforms takes time, and time is,
generally, money
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1412[10:39:58] <OliverUK> Cool
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1413[10:40:20] <bolt> OliverUK: even in an open source
community-based project, time may not be money, but it's still
limited, and you'd often rather prioritize bugfixes and
features over extended compatibility
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1417[10:41:50] <jelly> OliverUK: limiting the number of supported
platforms is not necessarily a sign of bad development, but
constrained resources
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1418[10:42:07] * jelly slow
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1422[10:42:56] <bolt> viscous :)
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1506[11:30:11] <g0zzy> Iridos: i have tried to run netstat in
batch mode in the past for that use case, but was not convinced
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1509[11:30:47] <g0zzy> (for one thing, you have to do a logical
or actual diff and that's messy
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1516[11:35:04] <API> Hi
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1522[11:42:32] <Iridos> g0zzy, I finally used tcpdump and just
filtered out my incoming ssh connection and arp stuff…
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1523[11:42:44] <Iridos> don't think netstat would have shown
the short connection I was looking for
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1532[11:50:25] <Rico> hi
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1533[11:50:47] <Rico> can anybody tell me what is wrong here ?
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1535[11:50:56] <Rico> it seem to work on debian 8 but not on
debian 9
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1558[11:57:31] <alwyn> How come when I run unattended-upgrade it
is so much slower than just doing apt-get upgrade? I'm testing
it at the moment but it seems so slow :D
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1583[12:12:05] <sharp15> is stretch/9 considered stable at this
point?
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1584[12:12:51] <Ormu> yes
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1586[12:13:20] <Iridos> is there any way to search for text in
the scrollback of an lxterminal?
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1587[12:13:32] <sharp15> Ormu: thanks.
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1598[12:23:39] <amd_0x51> Iridos, ctrl+shift+f
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1599[12:23:41] <amd_0x51> >
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1600[12:23:43] <amd_0x51> ?
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1601[12:25:59] <amd_0x51> it is better to use grep though if you
know you're going to need to find something
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1602[12:26:29] <Ormu> at least Xfce terminal allows searching
(shift+ctrl+f), not sure about LXterminal. And I agree about grep
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1603[12:28:21] <amd_0x51> coul you also pipe the output somewhere
and then you can freely search that when all the commands are ran?
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1607[12:29:08] <nadersith> good morning
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1608[12:29:22] <sharp15> is 'jessie-updates' considered
'stable specific'? i'm reading 'dpkg
jessie->stretch' from the topic.
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1610[12:31:13] <amd_0x51> old-stable if I am not mistaken?
SOmeone with more knowledge will help soon
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1611[12:31:21] <amd_0x51> !dpkg jessie-updates
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1612[12:31:21] <dpkg> jessie-updates is a suite providing updates
to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a
<point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be
included in point releases.
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1624[12:35:54] <Rico> can anybody tell me why this is not working
in debian 9 (postfix 3) ?
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1636[12:40:37] <ChrisH> Debian Jessie
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1652[12:53:45] <g0zzy> ChrisH: Smart is dumb. Much better to use
manufacturer's diagnostics.
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1660[13:01:59] <Ormu> shouldn't SMART, at least certain
parts of it, be quite well standardized?
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1662[13:03:08] <Ormu> the SMART tests may not be very reliable,
check the attributes instead
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1663[13:03:20] <Ormu> smartctl -a /dev/sdX
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1678[13:11:47] <g0zzy> I've had many disks passed by smart
that were fscked (in both senses)
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1687[13:16:06] <toruvinn> g0zzy, SMART long test?
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1699[13:23:09] <g0zzy> iirc yes, even that
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1700[13:23:53] <g0zzy> And of course its output is massively
opaque and full of info you don't normally want to know
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1707[13:28:35] <lone-wolf> Why show permission denied if are
-rwxrwxrwx?
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1709[13:29:21] <Ormu> mounted read-only? just my 2cents
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1710[13:30:29] <Ormu> oh wait
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1711[13:30:41] <lone-wolf> but are rwxrwxrwx
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1713[13:31:06] <Ormu> if ../ (the parent folder) doesn't
have write permission, you can't copy into it
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1714[13:32:46] <lone-wolf> It has drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 ago
13 22:59
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1715[13:32:55] <lone-wolf> I are root
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1723[13:36:57] <lone-wolf> lol i though that i are in ##php
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1724[13:36:59] <lone-wolf> lol
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1742[13:43:19] <tdn> What service monitoring system do you
recommend for Debian? (alternatives to Nagios)
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1748[13:47:19] <wytchmaster> check_mk
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1751[13:47:57] <wytchmaster> Maybe the version included in
replaced-url
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1755[13:48:58] <nadersith> do someone know if gvfs recently
started failing with NFS and Thunar/pcmanfm/etc?
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1757[13:49:03] <nadersith> (buster/testing)
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1759[13:49:36] <nadersith> I'm not able to mount NFS shares
described in /etc/fstab from the GUI file manager
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1761[13:49:42] <nadersith> I can mount them from the terminal,
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1762[13:49:43] <jelly> tdn: how many systems do you have? What
wrong with Nagios?
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1763[13:49:57] * jelly accidentally the verb
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1764[13:50:04] <true_dat> hello. I installed Debian 9 and I
can't change the resolution. Tried with xrandr too, didn't
work. My GPU is Radeon r7 250x
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1768[13:51:15] <amd_0x51> hmmm. HTTPS everywhere seems to have
updated outside of tor browser
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1769[13:51:21] <amd_0x51> tis broken
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1770[13:51:34] <towo^work> true_dat, install
firmware-amd-graphics
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1771[13:51:42] <amd_0x51> wrong channel
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1772[13:51:43] <amd_0x51> sorry
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1773[13:52:02] <true_dat> towo^work: it's the non-free
firmware? Isn't there any free firmware I can try?
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1774[13:52:11] <towo^work> true_dat, no
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1775[13:52:27] <towo^work> for radeon you need that non-free
firmware
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1776[13:52:34] <true_dat> damn, so what's the point of a
free OS then? :(
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1777[13:52:56] <amd_0x51> you don't pay for non-free
software
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1778[13:53:13] <true_dat> I mean free as in freedom
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1781[13:53:32] <true_dat> Debian is free but yet I need non free
software to be able to use it
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1782[13:53:39] <towo^work> for years, the firmware was in rom, no
one cares about that non-free blob
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1783[13:53:47] <true_dat> I know this isn't Debian's
fault
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1784[13:53:50] <amd_0x51> no. you need non-free firmware to run
your graphics
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1786[13:54:18] <true_dat> I see, are there GPUs that don't
need non-free firmware?
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1791[13:55:11] <towo^work> true_dat, intel before skylake
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1794[13:56:08] <true_dat> only intel GPUs? That sucks. Looks like
I will have to keep using non-free software for some time, but
I'm curious isn't there anything anyone can do about it in
the future?
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1795[13:57:14] <amd_0x51> sure! If these companies want to start
handing out their source code ;D
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1797[13:57:40] <towo^work> i'm sure, they won't do that
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1798[13:57:44] <amd_0x51> exactly
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1799[13:57:47] <true_dat> shame :/ so it's impossible to
reverse enginner like people did with some drivers?
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1800[13:58:11] <towo^work> i don't see tzhe really problem
with that firmware
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1801[13:58:16] <true_dat> also after I install the firmware I
will need to install drivers after?
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1803[13:58:34] <amd_0x51> it's all on the graphics part of
the debian wiki
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1804[13:58:41] <towo^work> true_dat, no, the drivers are
preinstalled
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1806[13:58:51] <true_dat> ok thanks
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1810[13:59:06] <true_dat> I wouldn't have the problem with
this firmware, but this is a matter of priciples
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1812[13:59:26] <true_dat> but I have no other choice for now but
to use it
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1813[13:59:36] <true_dat> I have one more question: why
isn't sudo installed on Debian?
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1815[13:59:48] <amd_0x51> read the release notes for stretch
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1816[14:00:50] <Ani-> true_dat, u can install it and put user in
sudo group
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1817[14:00:53] <true_dat> this is a pretty big document
replaced-url
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1818[14:00:59] <true_dat> where should I look exactly?
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1819[14:01:15] <towo^work> sudo is installed
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1820[14:01:16] <true_dat> Ani-: oh ok, but I'm still curious
why it isn't installed by default
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1822[14:01:31] <towo^work> but not configured if you have set a
root passwort in the installer
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1823[14:01:40] <true_dat> oooh
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1824[14:01:58] <true_dat> for me it just says command not fount
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1825[14:02:00] <true_dat> *found
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1827[14:02:58] <true_dat> shouldn't it be configured by
default? isn't it safer than switching to root?
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1828[14:03:18] <Ani-> in terminal su to get root
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1829[14:03:23] <Ormu> i see no difference in security, except
that it reduces the possibility of accidentally using root
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1830[14:03:35] <towo^work> sudo is never safer than su
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1831[14:04:03] <true_dat> I thought it was safer to use root just
one time for one command
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1832[14:04:17] <Ani-> su -c may be
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1834[14:04:30] <Penix> does any distro automatically add user(s)
to sudoers?
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1835[14:04:35] <Ormu> Ubuntu?
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1836[14:04:42] <true_dat> yeah Ubuntu does
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1837[14:05:04] <bezaban> Some others ask you during install too,
centos iirc
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1838[14:05:14] <Ani-> true_dat, apt install sudo then gpassword
-a username sudo
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1839[14:05:28] <true_dat> Ani-: thanks!
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1840[14:05:28] <Ani-> logout login to get sudo work
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1841[14:05:53] <Penix> I can see a case for prompting to add the
user created at install-time, but anything doesn't make sense
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1844[14:06:14] <true_dat> thanks for the answers everyone
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1845[14:06:17] <true_dat> have a nice day!
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1847[14:06:30] <amd_0x51> you too
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1848[14:06:36] <Ani-> lol
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1850[14:06:50] <Ani-> bit late amd_0x51
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1852[14:06:59] <amd_0x51> I'm sorry?
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1853[14:07:20] <Ani-> he already quit
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1854[14:07:28] <amd_0x51> oh I didn't see lol
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1855[14:07:29] <amd_0x51> my bad
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1857[14:09:37] <tdn> jelly, 5-10 systems
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1858[14:10:51] <Ani-> scroll the chat section ? tdn
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1859[14:11:01] <tdn> jelly, nothings really wrong with nagios. It
just looks very "old". It has been a few years since I
worked with it but at that time it was a rather complex to
configure.
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1861[14:11:14] <jelly> Penix: d-i does it as a side effect for
the initial user, if you leave root password blank at install time
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1862[14:14:35] <Penix> huh, cool. don't think I've ever
tried setting a blank root passwd. "til"
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1863[14:15:22] <Ani-> i did once had to use singleuser mode to
set a password again
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1869[14:16:38] <thnee> wasnt there a docker.io package in
standard debian repos for a while? it does not seem to be there
anymore in testing.
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1876[14:18:58] <arturo> thnee:
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1877[14:19:07] <arturo> currently living in unstable and
stable-bpo
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1895[14:26:54] <Walex> tdn: there are bad/complicated ways of
configuring Nagios/Icinga and there is one good way which is robust
and easy and flexible:
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1896[14:26:58] <Walex> tdn:
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1906[14:35:31] <thnee> arturo: huh ok I was almost certain I had
installed it on Jessie or something.
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1909[14:36:50] <thnee> but if it is in backports, shouldnt it be
in testing by definition?
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1913[14:37:40] <arturo> thnee: probably yes. Don't know if
it was removed for any reason. Anyway is in unstable, so migration
to testing should happen eventually at some point
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1917[14:39:05] <thnee> I see, thanks
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1919[14:40:24] <thnee> how could one track down the reason for it
being removed, if that was the case?
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1920[14:40:44] <arturo> reading the news section
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1921[14:40:58] <arturo> thnee for example
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1923[14:41:40] <arturo> it seems it was removed by the time of
the Stretch stable release due to some bugs
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1924[14:42:10] <arturo> but the unstable version seems more or
less updated, so it should appear in testing at some point
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1928[14:44:13] <thnee> hm I really dont understand that news item
at all :) but ok
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1932[14:47:06] <tdn> Walex, I was looking at Icinga, however, I
am not sure how good an idea it is to use the debian provided
packages? Would you recommend that? The GEtting Started guide on
Icinga website does not seem to work with debian provided icinga
packages
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1955[14:55:25] <fly_agaric> hello, i added the parameter
kvm-intel.nested=1 in /etc/default/grub then said update-grub after
reboot the system says grub> recovery console
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1959[14:56:23] <fly_agaric> can someone help?
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1964[14:59:15] <rotaticus> i'd suppose to go and seek the
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1965[14:59:44] <Antares>
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1974[15:05:51] <fly_agaric> i dont have a live cd how can i
repair with built in tools?
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1980[15:10:22] <rotaticus> build-in tools? like tab-completion in
grub? formulate the kernel and the initrd lines by guessing
parameters
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1997[15:19:53] <jhutchins> rotaticus: Why did you add that
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2006[15:21:48] <fly_agaric> jhutchins: i cant i want nested
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2008[15:22:09] <fly_agaric> install a windows hyper-v guest and
create vms inside
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2059[15:51:48] <Haohmaru> how do i add myself to the
"dialout" user group, so that this takes effect
immediately?
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2060[15:52:03] <Haohmaru> i don't want to have to
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2071[15:54:56] <Haohmaru> ah, the wiki says that it will take
effect on next login.. blah
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2073[15:55:10] <Haohmaru> does logging out of the desktop
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2074[15:55:15] <jelly> Haohmaru: no way. You can "log
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2076[15:55:18] <jelly> yes.
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2077[15:56:09] <g0zzy> I used to think that the desktop installed
didn't make a big difference to system performance. I do now. I
just installed Mate on an old Thinkpad T42. I don't like the
look of LXDE - any recommendations for a lightweight de?
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2079[15:56:34] <Haohmaru> lxde, xfce..
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2080[15:56:41] <Haohmaru> maybe lxqt
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2092[16:02:07] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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2098[16:05:42] <dury> anyone upgrade to stretch?
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2102[16:06:49] <Ormu> if MATE isn't lightweight enough,
I'd switch to some plain WM, e.g. IceWM
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2103[16:07:37] <Ormu> instead of LXDE, plain Openbox with good
theme might be a good choice too.
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2107[16:08:17] <glaucom> hi all...
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2108[16:08:27] <glaucom> i have nvidia gt740m
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2109[16:08:45] <glaucom> i install apt-get update nvidia-drivers
, reboot and show
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2111[16:09:30] <jelly> glaucom: that's does not look like a
valid apt-get command
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2112[16:09:36] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
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2113[16:09:36] <Ormu> this is a bit old but see the chart at the
end anyway:
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2114[16:09:36] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later
systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.
«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section
"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver
"nvidia"\nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to
enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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2115[16:09:37] <glaucom>
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2116[16:09:53] <dury> Ormu, are you using old computer?
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2118[16:10:19] <Ormu> dury: depends on what is "old",
sometimes i'm using a computer from 2004 or 2005
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2119[16:10:22] <glaucom> ?
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2120[16:10:29] <Ormu> Fedora + LXDE on that computer
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2126[16:11:41] <jimmy_> hi there all
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2127[16:11:41] <Ormu> I *guess* that there isn't big
difference in CPU/GPU usage between those non-fancy, non-compositing
desktops/WMs... just my 2cents
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2140[16:16:33] <dury> success :-) in stretch
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2141[16:17:17] <dury> elementary level I could say, though
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2143[16:17:57] <dury> getting steady higher
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2146[16:19:17] <dury> Ormu, 2005 computer is it old for you?
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2156[16:23:15] <g0zzy> Is xfce that much lighter than Mate
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2161[16:24:21] <dury> g0zzy, I would say no
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2162[16:25:17] <CeBe> hi, whats the proper way of installing npm
(nodejs package manager) on debian stretch? could not find anything
in the wiki and no instructions I googled seem working.
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2164[16:25:31] <CeBe> there is an npm package in jessie and sid,
but not in stretch...
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2165[16:26:07] * g0zzy has never seen lxqt
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2166[16:27:30] <th0r> g0zzy, I have used xfce on old computers
for decades. If you don't load it down with compositing and
such, it has been my experience that there aren't any decent
desktops that perform better
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2167[16:29:00] <g0zzy> th0r: Thanks. That's my normal de too
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2170[16:29:39] <th0r> g0zzy, I run xfce on two raspberry
pi's as well and find the performance competes with my dell
430.
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2177[16:36:54] <donofrio> anyone know where I would go to find my
fidonet is from 1989? region 11 313 area code starfleet was my sysop
handle.....
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2183[16:38:38] <mandeep> what's the trick to get a pain free
dist-upgrade?
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2184[16:38:58] <nvz> read the release notes
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2186[16:39:30] <donofrio> mandeep, there is no painless way,
it's linux - lol
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2187[16:39:37] <Ormu> g0zzy: according to the test i linked
(which is a few years old, however), MATE consumes less memory than
Xfce. Both are pretty lightweight and full-featured desktops.
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2190[16:40:24] <donofrio> Ormu, really always thought xfce was
the lightest (of the mainstream DE's)
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2195[16:41:31] <th0r> g0zzy, here's a unique idea. Why
don't you install both and see which one works better for you?
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2197[16:42:10] <nvz> th0r: yeah, thats some pretty revolutionary
thinking there, you're way ahead of your time.
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2198[16:43:45] <th0r> nvz, well, we could sit here and debate if
it is quicker to waste ram and read from memory, or to read directly
from the hard drive. But I think my suggestion avoids a lot of
'my dad can beat up your dad'
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2201[16:44:56] <nvz> th0r: yeah, but for the record your dad
can't beat up my dad, cause my dad can run pretty fast :P
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2203[16:45:25] <th0r> :)
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2206[16:47:21] <crazyb0y> again on the wave =)
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2207[16:47:37] <JohnA> Just did an update on 1 of my serversand
wound up with xen! what does xen buy me?
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2211[16:49:12] <nvz> JohnA: its not a currency, its a hypervisor,
it doesn't buy you anything, it abstracts hardware to run
multiple OS simultaneously
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2212[16:49:40] <nvz> the Yen is a currency :P
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2215[16:50:31] <fly_agaric> how can i check if my linux guest
supports nested virtualization?
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2217[16:51:16] <fly_agaric> here they say
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2219[16:51:27] <fly_agaric> is there a package named
virt-host-validate?
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2220[16:51:41] <JohnA> nvz, OK I knew that!!! What i trying to
find out is do I need it, for running a server - email(
postfix/dovecot/amavis-new), apache2 (webdav, davical)
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2224[16:52:28] <JohnA> nvz, is there any advantage or does it
just add a layer of complexity
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2227[16:53:03] <bongo> sygic
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2228[16:53:16] <nvz> JohnA: probably not. Its most commonly used
where you want to offer a VPS where there will be multiple users
each running their own web,mail,etc services on their own OS all on
the same machine
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2229[16:53:30] <bongo> windows
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2231[16:54:22] <nvz> JohnA: it does absolutely nothing unless you
actually have multiple systems running on top of it
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2232[16:55:04] <JohnA> nvz, So essentially for what I am doing
not needed?
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2235[16:55:57] <nvz> JohnA: probably not. unless you're as I
said going to offer seperate virtual servers to seperate clients ont
the same machine
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2236[16:57:07] <JohnA> nvz, no just a family server. so I will
look at removing it from my system - for some reason the last
updated added. Thanks
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2237[16:57:50] <nvz> fly_agaric:
replaced-url
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2238[16:58:15] <nvz> says to chec /sys/ not to run some command
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2239[16:58:16] <deepy> fly_agaric: you can use apt-file and
search for virt-host-validate
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2240[16:58:25] <JohnA> nvz, thanks for the input?
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2241[16:58:45] <deepy> JohnA: are you hosting the hardware
yourself?
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2243[16:59:00] <fly_agaric> deepy: how can i run apt-file
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2245[16:59:20] <deepy> Becuase otherwise the package you got
might be xen utils for things running /in/ xen, in which case you do
want to keep it
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2248[16:59:32] <nvz> fly_agaric: you can also use
packages.debian.org which has a web based search of package contents
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2255[17:03:19] <amd_0x51> Hi guys, I am running Jessie and have
been encountering errors with network-manager. Namely nm-applet,
which segfaults after a log out/reboot or even sometimes a complete
shutdown and start up.
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2256[17:03:51] <somiaj> amd_0x51: are you running pure jessie, or
jessie + jessie-backports (or other third party stuff)?
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2257[17:04:07] <amd_0x51> I went to file a bug but it told me my
network-manager is out of date. but packages.deb tells me 0.9.10.0-7
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2259[17:04:18] <somiaj> ,v network-manager
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2260[17:04:19] <judd> Package: network-manager on amd64 --
wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.10.0-7; stretch: 1.6.2-3; sid:
1.8.2-1; buster: 1.8.2-1
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2261[17:04:38] <amd_0x51> okay so I should file the bug report?
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2262[17:04:40] <somiaj> amd_0x51: can you paste the output of
apt-cache policy and the output of apt-cache policy network-manager
at paste.debian.net
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2263[17:04:42] <fly_agaric> nvz: ok thanks apt-file did it
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2269[17:06:09] <fly_agaric> so the nested hardware virtualization
check on my debian guest passed, but iam unable to install hyper-v
on my server 2016
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2274[17:07:54] <amd_0x51> somiaj,
replaced-url
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2280[17:08:47] <amd_0x51> someone advised me the othe day to
update it via backports but that told me I alreayd have the latest
version. Which would match the version on packages.debian
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2281[17:09:12] <amd_0x51> I just need to know if I should file
the bug report as someone else suggested I should if I get anymore
segfualts from nm-applet
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2282[17:09:24] <somiaj> amd_0x51: notice the apt-cache policy
network-manager, that says there is not network-manager package
avaialble from jessie backports
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2284[17:09:46] <amd_0x51> yeah seen now.
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2285[17:09:50] <somiaj> amd_0x51: I am surprised you are getting
segfaults, could ti be a kernel issue? Are you running a backported
kernel? Does your hardware work with the stock 3.16 kernel in
jessie?
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2286[17:10:10] <amd_0x51> I do have linux headers installed for
vbox?
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2288[17:10:25] <somiaj> amd_0x51: I'm surprised (unless you
have some hardware issue with your network/wifi) you are getting
segfaults in jessie that often, but it could be something with a
backported kernel.
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2290[17:10:37] <somiaj> amd_0x51: the headers won't ahve an
affect on this, uname -a, what kernel are you running?
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2292[17:10:52] <amd_0x51> they come and go. SOmetimes if I log
out and back in again it wont work, or if i reboot
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2293[17:11:00] <amd_0x51> just now it happened after a complete
shutdown and restart
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2295[17:11:25] <amd_0x51> from dmesg nm-applet[1910]: segfault at
c ip 08072ef9 sp bf9cf714 error 4 in nm-applet[8048000+59000]
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2297[17:11:41] <amd_0x51> which is also on a few gnome and ubuntu
bug lists but they have all been fixed
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2299[17:12:04] <amd_0x51> I did think that it might be because I
am using MATE and n-m is a gnome feature?
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2300[17:12:25] <somiaj> amd_0x51: report a bug, but I'm
surprised that it wasn't fixed in jessie unless it is something
to do with your paticular hardware. You could also use wicd or some
other tool to manage your network, may not be ideal, but if you are
getting segfaults you could try that.
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2301[17:12:59] <somiaj> amd_0x51: mate is basically gnome, and
n-m works with non gnome desktops, it is either a bug in
network-manager that affects your paticular setup, or something with
your hardware, one way to try to test things is use wicd or another
tool to manage your network
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2302[17:13:03] <amd_0x51> I just like the ease and look of
nm-applet that is all. It never faults when I am using gnome classic
or another session
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2303[17:13:12] <somiaj> anyways I gotta jet, you should report a
bug, unsure why reportbug is saying the packge is outdated
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2304[17:13:18] <amd_0x51> thanks a lot my friend
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2319[17:22:19] <fly_agaric> where can i update to kernel 4.10 in
debian without compiling
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2321[17:22:47] <fly_agaric> compile a new kernel by hand takes
hours
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2328[17:24:34] <daishun> Can someone tell me... When running
software-properties-gtk. On the main tab under 'Debian
Software' there are 4 checkable options for sources downloaded
from the internet. The option for source code cannot be checked. It
can either be unchecked or have a horizontal - in the box. How is
the dash different from a checkmark?
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2331[17:25:46] <avu> fly_agaric: stretch-backports has 4.11 (as
does testing)
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2350[17:32:50] <jhutchins_wk> fly_agaric: Compiling
shouldn't take hours on amd64 hardware.
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2352[17:33:10] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
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2353[17:33:11] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686
(4.12.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch-backports:
4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports:
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2354[17:33:12] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
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2357[17:33:38] <fly_agaric> dpkg: dependency problems prevent
configuration of linux-image-4.11.0-0.bpo.1-amd64:
linux-image-4.11.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 depends on linux-base (>= 4.3~);
however: Version of linux-base on system is 3.5
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2358[17:33:38] <dpkg> fly_agaric: that's not the complete
error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output.
Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
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2367[17:37:13] <fly_agaric> dependency problems prevent
configuration of linux-image-4.11.0-0.bpo.1-amd64:
linux-image-4.11.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 depends on linux-base (>= 4.3~);
however: Version of linux-base on system is 3.5
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2377[17:39:07] <jhutchins_wk> fly_agaric: You are not on current
stretch.
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2378[17:39:07] <jelly> fly_agaric: which debian release are you
using?
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2379[17:39:23] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
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2380[17:39:23] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
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2382[17:39:35] <jelly> fly_agaric: ^^ can you provide all that
info?
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2389[17:40:40] <jhutchins_wk> ,v linux-base
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2390[17:40:41] <judd> An error has occurred and has been logged.
Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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2391[17:40:42] <fly_agaric> debian 8
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2394[17:41:21] <jhutchins_wk> fly_agaric: You know what happens
when you mix packages from different releases, don't you?
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2398[17:41:47] <fly_agaric> jhutchins_wk: yes i mixed ubuntu and
debian at some time
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2399[17:41:58] <fly_agaric> jhutchins_wk: the system did not
respond anymore :)
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2402[17:42:29] <jelly> grabbing jsut a new kernel can _sometimes_
be done without a lot of hurt, but not always
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2406[17:43:17] * jelly waits for all the info before giving any further
suggestions
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2408[17:44:24] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: judd is asleep right now,
unscheduled downtime
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2409[17:44:36] <fly_agaric> well normally if i compile inside
debian 8 the update would be successfull
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2410[17:44:43] <fly_agaric> but it just takes a long time
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2430[17:49:44] <jelly> ,kernels
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2431[17:49:45] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686
(4.12.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch-backports:
4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
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2432[17:49:46] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy:
3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
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2433[17:49:54] <jelly> there we go
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2435[17:50:14] <acos-2> oi
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2436[17:50:36] <jelly> oi oi
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2450[17:53:01] <daishun> I have a stupid question.
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2451[17:53:23] <daishun> in /etc/apt/sources.list there is
"debian stretch" and "debian stretch-updates"
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2452[17:53:27] <daishun> what is the difference?
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2456[17:54:51] <jmcnaught> !stretch-updates
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2457[17:54:52] <dpkg> rumour has it, stretch-updates is a suite
providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>)
prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates
will be included in point releases.
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2470[17:59:30] <daishun> so if I remove stretch-updates then my
system would not update its packages (other than security updates)
until debian 9.2 or whaterver is next?
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2472[18:00:24] <jmcnaught> yeah
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2474[18:00:46] <daishun> ok, makes sense, thanks
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2485[18:06:15] <daishun> I have another stupid question: When
running apt update what is the difference between InRelease and
Release?
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2521[18:18:59] <kryl> hi, do you know how to record a terminal
for a tutorial ? I want to show all command I'm typing etc...
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2522[18:19:30] <jmcnaught> kryl: try the script command
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2537[18:25:06] <Walakea> looks like my hostname is getting
renamed to "debdebian-gnu-linux-9-stretch-64-bitian" on
each boot
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2539[18:25:22] <Walakea> instead of "debian" as i
wished
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2546[18:26:48] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: what do you have in
/etc/hostname?
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2547[18:27:16] <Walakea> the long form
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2548[18:27:29] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: it should just be the
hostname, not the FQDN
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2549[18:27:40] <Walakea> what is that?
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2551[18:28:00] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: debian
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2552[18:28:12] <Walakea> FQDN
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2553[18:28:15] <dondelelcaro> !FQDN
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2554[18:28:15] <dpkg> fqdn is, like, Fully Qualified Domain Name,
or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org'
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2555[18:28:28] <Iridos> kryl, possibly
replaced-url
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2557[18:28:39] <Walakea> ok, i will change it, thanks for help
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2558[18:29:00] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: but that might not fix the
whole issue; it looks like something is sticking hostinformation in
there as well
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2559[18:29:08] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: which I've personally
never seen
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2560[18:29:22] <mamad> Hi can anybody explain how nsswitch work
and what is it relation with other tools or suggest some good
reference ?
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2561[18:29:23] <Walakea> it started 3 days ago
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2562[18:29:39] <kryl> Iridos, is it possible to use a
"private" hosting instead of asciicinema for videos? :-)
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2563[18:29:45] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: what does hostnamectl;
say?
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2564[18:30:06] <mamad> Like how pam and nsswitch work with pam ?
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2565[18:30:13] <Walakea> the only anomaly i see is:
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2566[18:30:13] <Walakea> Pretty hostname: debDebian GNU/Linux 9
(stretch) 64-bitian
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2567[18:30:30] <jmcnaught> Walakea: is cloud-init installed?
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2568[18:30:43] <Walakea> my OS?
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2569[18:31:07] <mamad> Sorry english is not my first...
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2570[18:31:08] <Iridos> kryl, they're not videos…
they contain actual text, which is the cool thing
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2573[18:31:51] <Iridos> and no idea… I haven't really
used that
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2574[18:31:58] <Walakea> jmcnaught: no, clout-init is not
installed
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2575[18:32:04] <Walakea> *d
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2576[18:33:08] <jmcnaught> Walakea: and this is a normal computer
that you installed Debian to using an installer image? Or is it some
kind of container image or something?
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2579[18:34:00] <jmcnaught> Walakea: I would try something like
'journalctl -b | grep -i hostname' to see if anything logs
about setting hostname during boot
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2580[18:34:07] <kryl> I mean I'm not sure I want to put
online my commands :-)
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2581[18:34:10] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: check what
/etc/machine-info has
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2582[18:34:57] <Walakea> jmcnaught: first message:
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2583[18:34:57] <Walakea> Aug 18 17:28:05
debdebian-gnu-linux-9-stretch-64-bitian systemd[1]: Set hostname to
<debdebian-gnu-linux-9-stretch-64-bitian>.
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2584[18:35:15] <fly_agaric> I deleted the whole linux system and
installed it with debian 9 stretch after reboot it says the same
thing about grub again. error: attempt to read or write outside of
disk 'hd0'
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2585[18:35:17] <Walakea> dondelelcaro:
PRETTY_HOSTNAME="debDebian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
64-bitian"
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2586[18:35:38] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: ok; that's likely
where it's coming from. Not sure why it's using that
instead of /etc/hostname
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2587[18:35:43] <jmcnaught> mamad: nsswitch is how you configure
how programs should look up things like users and hostnames, and
what order they should be checked in. PAM is how you configure
authentication policy.
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2590[18:36:28] <Walakea> dondelelcaro: so i should just manually
change /etc/machine-info ?
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2596[18:37:27] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: I think you can just do
hostnamectl set-hostname debian;
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2597[18:37:29] <wanderer_> hello, is lxqt comparable to xfce?
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2598[18:37:35] <wanderer_> is it stable?
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2601[18:38:13] <wanderer_> I am using debian xfce. Can I install
lxqt on it? without creating conflicts?
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2604[18:38:49] <random_numbers> DEs generally don't have
conflicts, are there known ones between xfce and lxqt?
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2609[18:39:06] <Walakea> dondelelcaro: looks like the file
'/etc/machine-info' got removed when i used hostnamectl to
change the name
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2615[18:40:09] <Tom01> Is it possible to set the Screen-Blanker
to a higher Value than 15 Minutes?
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2616[18:40:16] <wanderer_> is Mate more suitable than Xfce for a
beginner?
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2617[18:40:30] <Tom01> like 30 Minutes
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2618[18:40:33] <mamad> jmcnaught: thanks but why should add ldap
in nsswitch ? I dont get why and how it's work ? Is there a
good reference about it ?
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2620[18:40:50] <random_numbers> wanderer_: Not really, at that
point it's mostly a question of aesthetic preference.
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2621[18:41:00] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: hrm; not sure why, but
perhaps because everything is the default it wasn't necessary
any more?
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2622[18:41:01] <jmcnaught> wanderer_: if the computer is not
resource starved then GNOME or KDE are probably best for new users
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2623[18:41:08] <dondelelcaro> Walakea: but hopefully that will
fix up the issue
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2625[18:41:31] <Walakea> dondelelcaro: i hope so too, thanks for
help
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2629[18:42:11] <wanderer_> I have a laptop that has 4 GBs of ram.
Is that enough for Gnome or KDE?
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2630[18:42:30] <wanderer_> it runs on intel core i3 2.0 Ghz cpu.
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2634[18:42:42] <Walakea> while i am at it, looks like my xfce
desktop freezes the whole system ~ once per two days (no issues with
Gnome) [Debian Stretch upgraded from Jessie]
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2635[18:42:53] <jmcnaught> mamad: you add ldap to nsswitch
because you want your system to be able to find ldap users
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2636[18:42:59] <amd_0x51> taht should be more than enough. I am
running lesser specs right now and MATE, GNOME KDE work fine.
wanderer_
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2638[18:43:25] <wanderer_> ok
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2639[18:43:49] <Walakea> if any sound is playing, it repeats last
2 seconds, screen becomes frozen and i am uneble to even change to
TUI
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2640[18:43:54] <wanderer_> Gnome or KDE, then?
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2641[18:44:13] <Walakea> i could not find any useful info in logs
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2642[18:44:14] <amd_0x51> your choice. I prefer MATE/GNOME as I
find KDE quite clunky
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2644[18:44:35] <wanderer_> ok
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2646[18:45:11] <mamad> jmcnaught: but i already configured pam to
use ldap for that !!! By pam_ldap
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2651[18:47:41] <jmcnaught> mamad: so now PAM knows how to
authenticate against an LDAP directory, but how does the system know
that it needs to look for users in LDAP? A simpler example is the
hosts line in nsswitch.conf… it probably says 'files
dns', which means 'look in /etc/hosts first, then do a DNS
query'.
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2652[18:48:17] <random_numbers> wanderer_: Sure, but it
won't be as snappy as if you were using a lighter DE.
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2653[18:48:51] <random_numbers> wanderer_: Then again once
it's all in RAM you're only CPU-bound.
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2654[18:49:02] <jmcnaught> mamad: have you found
replaced-url
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2655[18:49:16] <wanderer_> random_numbers: is lxqt stable?
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2656[18:49:28] <wanderer_> I am using xfce now.
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2657[18:49:37] <random_numbers> wanderer_: Haven't tried it,
nor had I heard of it before today. I don't know.
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2663[18:51:18] <wanderer_> do distros like mx linux and sparky
make debian easier to install and use?
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2668[18:53:23] <random_numbers> I figure debian's rather
easy to install. For usage, you'll have to ask someone who
tried those.
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2669[18:53:29] <apollo13> wanderer_: how would debian users know
that?
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2670[18:54:20] <wanderer_> have you heard of sparky linux?
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2674[18:55:28] <bezaban> wanderer_: they are something else, not
debian. If you are looking for something 'easier'/more
clicky out of the box the best alternative would be a widely used
and supported distribution like ubuntu
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2675[18:55:30] <jmcnaught> wanderer_: other distros (including
ones based on Debian) are considered off-topic here. I agree that
Debian is easier to install than the reputation it has… the
biggest gotcha is dealing with non-free firmwares for stuff like
wifi
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2676[18:56:01] <random_numbers> Sparky itself doesn't
recommend itself to beginners specifically.
replaced-url
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2680[18:56:43] <wanderer_> ok
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2692[19:00:39] <jelly> mamad: I've heard nice things about
"realmd" if your goal is AD integration
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2696[19:01:44] <wanderer_> debian is not as ootb as other distros
like mint or ubuntu. am I right?
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2697[19:01:53] <jelly> > realmd is a D-Bus system service that
manages discovery and enrollment in realms/domains like Active
Directory or IPA. -- realmd can configure either SSSD or Windbind as
client software. It will also automatically install the required
packages using PackageKit if needed.
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2699[19:02:44] <dondelelcaro> wanderer_: in general, it should
just work out of the box; cases where it doesn't are usually
bugs or specific decisions
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2701[19:02:45] <jelly> wanderer_: there are some things that make
it significantly less pleasant to install and set up, lack of
firmware for lots of consumer hardware in the installer is one
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2703[19:03:37] <jelly> it only Just Works OOTB if you have been
VERY careful choosing your hardware and investigated it in advance
for linux compatibility with free drivers only
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2705[19:03:47] <wanderer_> Sparky based on Debian stable is
mentioned as beginner friendly, on their site.
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2708[19:04:27] <dondelelcaro> jelly: or you could just by a
purism laptop (or similar)
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2709[19:04:38] <random_numbers> Hm. user-friendly yet not
recommended specifically for beginners. That's just on the edge
of contradictory.
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2711[19:05:09] <jelly> dondelelcaro: knowing there _is_ such a
thing requires active investigation
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2715[19:06:49] <wanderer_> jelly: I didn't get you.
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2716[19:07:22] <jelly> wanderer_: most other distros ship
firmware blobs and can get things like wifi or gpu cards working
OOTB
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2717[19:07:34] <jelly> Debian chooses not to.
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2730[19:09:45] <jelly> right now, Debian wants you to try
installing, stumble onto non-working wifi, then come here where
we'll tell you about unofficial installer with firmware
included
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2731[19:09:51] <jelly> this is a pain
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2732[19:10:04] <wanderer_> but, why debian doesn't bring a
version that is as usable and ootb as ubuntu or mint?
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2733[19:10:20] <jelly> because debian cares about free software
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2734[19:10:25] <jelly> and its users.
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2735[19:10:42] <jelly> in this case, it cares a bit more about
free software then about the users :-)
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2736[19:10:48] <jelly> than*
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2737[19:11:16] <wanderer_> ok
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2740[19:12:41] <jmcnaught> for those who care to read
installation manuals before they try to install, there are links to
an unoffical installer image that contains non-free
firmwares… but not everybody reads documentation
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2744[19:13:03] <wanderer_> I know about them.
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2745[19:13:06] <jelly> those are cleverly hidden
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2746[19:13:31] <wanderer_> btw, is debian easier than distros
like fedora and opensuse?
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2748[19:13:47] <jelly> it's probably comparable
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2749[19:13:48] <fly_agaric> why is my debian 9 not starting?
fresh install wiped the complete partition table of the disk
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2750[19:14:06] <fly_agaric> after installs the grub console
welcomes me
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2752[19:14:24] <teraflops> wanderer_: easy compared to what? also
we do not know your level of expertise
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2754[19:14:33] <fly_agaric> and next? i tried to repair grub with
my debian usb stick mounted my disk and chrooted into it but nothing
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2755[19:14:56] <wanderer_> I am a beginner. Switching from
windows 10.
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2756[19:15:05] <jelly> jmcnaught: the requirement to read manuals
in advance is a pain, too
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2757[19:15:33] <teraflops> opensuse is not that bad if you come
from windows imo
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2762[19:16:48] <wanderer_> teraflops: ok
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2764[19:18:43] <random_numbers> Isn't there a way to install
firmware during the install?
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2765[19:18:51] <greycat> !firmware image
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2766[19:18:51] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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2769[19:19:04] <fly_agaric>
replaced-url
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2770[19:19:07] <fly_agaric> just nothing happens
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2772[19:20:12] <fly_agaric> i verified with ls (hd0,2)/ that this
is the system where my files are and on hd0,2 theres also a
/boot/grub folder
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2774[19:20:55] <jelly> fly_agaric: what if you edit the default
menu entry, remove the "quiet" keyword and let it boot?
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2776[19:21:19] <jelly> or do you not get the boot menu at all
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2777[19:21:19] <fly_agaric> jelly: this menu is not visible to me
instead it drops me instantly to grub> shell
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2780[19:22:10] <jelly> fly_agaric: oh alright, can you then set
the kernel and initrd manually and boot?
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2782[19:23:14] <fly_agaric> jelly: i dont what you mean by that
and how to do this but i tried set prefix=(hd0,2)/boot/grub 2nd
step: set root=(hd0,2) 3rd step: insmod normal 4th step: normal
5step: nothing happens
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2786[19:26:37] <wanderer_> does Debian 9 contain newer packages
as compared to ubuntu lts 16.04.3?
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2789[19:27:18] <jelly> fly_agaric: sorry, I can't really
help with grub2 command line, but the idea is to find where your
/boot/vmlinuz-4.9-something and /boot/initrd-4.9-something are on
disk, then provide the paths to grub manually wth something like
"linux path/to/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2" and "initrd
/path/to/matching-initrd", and try to boot
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2790[19:27:51] <jelly> fly_agaric: and guess/figure out the right
root= parameter
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2792[19:28:32] <fly_agaric> a serious question can unetbootin
cause this errors?
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2794[19:28:50] <fly_agaric> because i often installed debian on
machines but never had such an error
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2795[19:28:50] <jelly> wanderer_: most of them yes. ubuntu lts
defaults to firefox release branch, so they're going to have
firefox 55, while debian 9 will have firefox 52 ESR branch
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2799[19:30:21] <wanderer_> ok
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2800[19:30:24] <anexit> what package allows smb:// in thunar
browser?
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2805[19:30:59] <wanderer_> btw, which is suitable for a beginner
ubuntu mate or xubuntu?
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2806[19:31:14] <jelly> wanderer_: best ask that in #ubuntu or
##linux
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2807[19:31:35] <anexit> wanderer: debian is pretty darn easy and
the documentation is spot on
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2808[19:31:57] <anexit> Just need to put the time in... instead
of wondering.
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2809[19:31:59] <greycat> If you know enough to get the firmware
netinst image, and manage to get Debian installed, it's easy
enough to *use*.
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2810[19:32:04] <teraflops> anexit: what do you mean by
documentation?
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2811[19:32:07] <wanderer_> anexit: ok. Then, which one Debian
Mate or with xfce?
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2813[19:32:23] <teraflops> wanderer_: you better try it and see
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2814[19:32:25] <anexit> The documentation is good
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2815[19:32:41] <wanderer_> anexit: I agree.
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2816[19:32:42] <n4dir> !best
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2817[19:32:42] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean
by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin!
Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play!
Anyone for Tennis!
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2818[19:32:43] <jelly> wanderer_: xfce is a little lighter on the
resources, but not much
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2819[19:32:52] <anexit> debian.org/doc
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2821[19:33:01] <teraflops> I mean, do it by yourself and take
make your own opinion
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2822[19:33:08] <teraflops> s/take/
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2823[19:33:15] <n4dir> really doesn't matter, imho. All
desktop environments are pretty intuitive.
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2824[19:33:48] <n4dir> well, lxde was a bit weird.
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2825[19:33:49] <teraflops> same for DE/WM, try as much as you
can, then pick the one that suits you best
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2826[19:34:05] <wanderer_> ok
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2828[19:35:59] <jelly> gnome is so weird.
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2830[19:36:11] <Tom01> why weird?
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2832[19:36:18] <teraflops> jelly: o_O
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2833[19:36:32] <greycat> Every time there's a GNOME question
on debian-user, we learn even more just how incomprehensible and
unmanageable GNOME is.
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2835[19:36:58] <jelly> large chrome, weird settings for modal
windows, weird UI choices everywhere
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2837[19:37:43] <jelly> (by chrome I mean "stuff around the
window than isn't a window's useful part")
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2838[19:37:45] <greycat> Breaks every standard Unix convention
for sessions and configuration. You wanted to tightly define your
locale, setting multiple LC_* variables? Too bad! You want a umask
other than 022? TOO BAD!
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2839[19:38:02] <teraflops> greycat: I think because GNOME does
not care about users, it cares about customers
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2842[19:39:13] <n4dir> i always assumed it was, me, and gnome 3
was intuitive for the rest of the world. well.
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2843[19:39:14] <jelly> things like file manager that opens a new
window for each directory
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2844[19:39:37] <greycat> !mate
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2845[19:39:38] <dpkg> The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of
GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in
wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>.
replaced-url
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2846[19:39:45] <greycat> The existence of that ^^ tells you that
you're not alone.
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2848[19:40:32] <n4dir> :-) Yeah. But in the meantime i have
settled on xfce (later on awesome). So i never really used those
clones.
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2849[19:40:44] <jelly> I'm flipping between xfce and kde
myself, when kde gets broken again with each major release, I use
xfce, then try kde carefully after a year or so or when computers
are again fast enough
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2851[19:41:30] <teraflops> you have to make a plasma5 master for
being able to use it
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2853[19:41:40] <n4dir> yes, jelly , imho one of the huge
advantages of xfce is that it hardly breaks. And doesn't make
huge changes all the time. On the other hand it doesn't really
offer that much (stuff i don't do anyway, so hey)
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2857[19:43:32] <jelly> something that has ui elements roughly
like windows 2000, xp or vista, that has Focus Follows Mouse, a
decent two-dimensional grid pager, and panels that can be moved to
the side instead of stealing the little vertical that's
available
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2859[19:45:00] <n4dir> 4 desktops, a command prompt and a systray
which informs me if someone pings my name in IRC. I think
that's all i want (what do you say? pretty much any DE/WM out
there has that? ... oh my)
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2860[19:45:58] <jelly> I started with 4 desktops of fvwm 1.24 on
solaris in 1997 or so. Now there are 4x3=12 desktops. -_-
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2863[19:46:34] <jmcnaught> dynamic virtual desktops were the big
draw to gnome-shell for me
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2864[19:46:35] <jelly> anyhoo, afk and -> #debian-offtopic
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2865[19:46:36] <wanderer_> ok
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2867[19:47:05] <n4dir> or like that. I use one application per
desktop. in my case 4 is enough, as i never use more than 4 apps.
Duh (fvwm: i pretty much like the look and feel, but never got used
to it. A pity)
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2868[19:47:50] <dondelelcaro> you might even try something
radical, like i3
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2869[19:50:00] <wanderer_> any opinion on the quality of sparky
linux? about that project?
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2870[19:50:16] <wanderer_> about its stability.
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2871[19:50:17] <n4dir> wanderer_: back to your question (xfce or
mate). I guess it mainly is answered. A last note: imho you can
easily run both at the same time.
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2876[19:50:35] <wanderer_> n4dir: great
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2877[19:50:47] <n4dir> well: have both installed, try this, try
that, then decide. No need to reinstall or such.
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2878[19:51:01] <wanderer_> ok
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2880[19:51:49] <wanderer_> sparky linux has this logo.
"powered by Debian".
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2889[19:57:15] <wanderer_> what is the command to install
complete mate desktop environment?
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2891[19:57:39] <wanderer_> which option in synaptic package
manager to be chosen?
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2893[19:58:08] <jmcnaught> wanderer_: task-mate-desktop
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2895[19:58:31] <wanderer_> MATE Desktop Environment
(metapackage)? in synaptic ?
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2898[19:59:09] <blawiz> is there a dropbox alternative in deb
repo?
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2900[19:59:23] <blawiz> or for linux generaly?
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2901[20:00:02] <jmcnaught> wanderer_: it's easier and
simpler to distinguish between packages by name than by description.
You can also run 'tasksel' as root on the command line to
select a desktop to install
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2902[20:00:10] <fly_agaric> just in case how can I create a
debian 9 usb install stick without unetbootin I dont have a linux
system here only windows
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2904[20:00:26] <jmcnaught> !win32diskimager
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2905[20:00:26] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
replaced-url
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2906[20:00:28] <n4dir> owncloud, but i think that is a bit
different. you can go to the debian wiki, search for "leaving
the cloud". The freedombox project is related. That site lists
alternatives for proprietary and centralized services. blawiz
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2907[20:00:43] <wanderer_> ok
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2908[20:00:54] <jmcnaught> fly_agaric: use win32diskimager ^^
others like unetbootin are known to cause problems
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2910[20:02:28] <g0zzy> fwiw linux appears to be supported by
Dropbox
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2914[20:04:08] <brontosaurusrex> Is there some env variable that
would allow me to lie to certain app about screen width?
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2916[20:04:18] <greycat> *sigh* really
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2918[20:04:23] <greycat> 14:03 brontosaurusrex> yeah, its a
gui app, so it must be pixels
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2919[20:04:41] <brontosaurusrex> ^ that as well.
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2920[20:04:48] <wanderer_> ok
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2923[20:05:21] * g0zzy wonders what happened to rawrite.exe
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2925[20:05:26] <user23432> Hey, I can 'startx' with
root but not a normal user. I remember there's some easy way to
fix this -- what is it?
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2927[20:06:16] <brontosaurusrex> user23432, hold on.
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2931[20:07:01] <brontosaurusrex> user23432, in
/etc/X11/Xwrapper.conf , allowed_users=anybody
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2935[20:08:03] * g0zzy remembers trying startx since systemd and
finding the network was absent
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2938[20:09:25] <g0zzy> iow startx appeared broken, but perhaps
that's my mistake ;)
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2939[20:09:37] <greycat> startx works just fine for me under
systemd, as root or non-root, on stretch or any previous release
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2940[20:09:58] <hhhmmm> Hi, curious why torbrowser-launcher is in
contrib. Anyone know? Thx
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2941[20:10:08] <greycat> (well, systemd was only jessie and
stretch; previous releases, it was systemd with or without various
debian hacks)
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2942[20:10:13] <greycat> err..
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2943[20:10:14] <g0zzy> Ah ok. I don't know whether i'll
need to try it again though
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2945[20:10:20] <greycat> (well, systemd was only jessie and
stretch; previous releases, it was sysvinit with or without various
debian hacks)
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2947[20:10:45] <jmcnaught> allowed_users=anybody in
Xwrapper.config shouldn't be necessary either,
allowed_users=console should be enough
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2948[20:11:02] <jmcnaught> also easy: installing a display
manager
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2949[20:11:30] <greycat> The real question is how he got his
computer into a state where startx stopped working.
-
2950[20:11:51] * g0zzy can't remember
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2951[20:11:56] <greycat> The first thing that comes to my mind is
"he's not actually running it on a Linux console VT".
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2952[20:12:04] <teraflops> also I dont editing that file will fix
anything, unless they messed it previously
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2953[20:12:19] <teraflops> dont think^
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2954[20:12:44] <user23432> brontosaurusrex: not working. And this
is a fresh install of Debian 9. Haven't really messed with
anything.
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2956[20:13:19] <brontosaurusrex> user23432, I have this on two
remote/headless servers and it is working.
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2957[20:13:24] <teraflops> user23432: did you run startx as root
inside user folder before trying as normal user?
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2958[20:13:39] <brontosaurusrex> and what jmcnaught said, should
be user console.
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2959[20:13:46] * g0zzy vaguely remembers its getting borked after
uninstalling lightdm
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2960[20:14:00] <greycat> Maybe X is already running on display :0
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2961[20:14:03] <teraflops> heh
-
2962[20:14:10] <greycat> Could you tell us what the error is?
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2963[20:14:14] <user23432> teraflops: sudo startx works
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2965[20:14:20] <teraflops> :S
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2967[20:14:27] <greycat> oh, if startx as root works, then
that's not it...
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2968[20:14:41] <greycat> anyway, "sudo startx" sounds
super evil
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2969[20:14:45] <user23432> Isn't there like a
update-altenatives or dpkg-reconfigure or something?
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2970[20:14:47] <teraflops> user23432: check permissions inside ~/
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2971[20:14:58] <greycat> maybe you create an Xorg.0.log with the
wrong owner inside your user's home dir
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2972[20:15:33] <n4dir> isn't there the file
~/.xsession-errors or very similar?
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2973[20:15:44] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
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2974[20:15:49] <greycat> really, bot?
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2975[20:15:57] <teraflops> user23432: and dont do such thing
again ^
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2976[20:15:58] <n4dir> seems to be sleeping since yesterday ...
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2979[20:16:12] <user23432> All I have in ~ is a blank .Xauthority
file
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2980[20:16:13] <greycat> no, the bot is responding
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2981[20:16:22] <greycat> user23432: look in ~/.local/share/xorg/
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2982[20:16:40] <greycat> I bet your "sudo startx"
created a file there as root, since sudo doesn't clear $HOME
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2983[20:16:42] <hhhmmm> I wonder when debian can work without
systemd, policykit dependency blocks most sysvinit setups nicely
-
2984[20:16:55] <hhhmmm> and luks kind of hangs up on shutdown
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2985[20:16:59] <greycat> If you want to start X as root, *log in*
as root.
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2987[20:17:53] <greycat> !listvals local/share
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2988[20:17:55] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'local/share'
by value (8): internet explorer jpeg ;; mimeapps ;; bbpager ;; xorg
root ;; trash ;; xdg variables ;; xorg.0.log ;; font install.
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2989[20:18:03] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
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2990[20:18:12] <greycat> ok, what the hell
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2991[20:18:17] <greycat> dpkg, xorg.0.log
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2992[20:18:18] <dpkg> greycat: I wish you would RTFM.
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2993[20:18:46] <greycat> dpkg, literal xorg.0.log
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2994[20:18:46] <dpkg> "xorg.0.log" is "in
/var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running startx as
non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/"
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2995[20:19:30] <tdn> Would you recommend using icinga2 as a
monitoring system using the debian provided packages? Would you
recommend that? The GEtting Started guide on Icinga website does not
seem to work with debian provided icinga packages
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2996[20:19:42] <tdn> Or should I rather use the .debs from the
icinga website?
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2997[20:19:48] <greycat> So, which character or sequence of
characters in the factoid name is breaking the bot?
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3000[20:22:06] <teraflops> weird
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3002[20:23:10] <dondelelcaro> dpkg: xorg.0.log is <reply>
xorg.0.log is in /var/log unless you are on stretch-or-later and
running startx as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/
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3003[20:23:11] <dpkg> ...but xorg.0.log is already something
else...
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3004[20:23:18] <dondelelcaro> dpkg: no, xorg.0.log is
<reply> xorg.0.log is in /var/log unless you are on
stretch-or-later and running startx as non-root. Then it's in
~/.local/share/xorg/~
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3005[20:23:18] <teraflops> hehe
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3006[20:23:18] <dpkg> dondelelcaro: okay
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3007[20:23:22] <dondelelcaro> xorg.0.log
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3008[20:23:27] <dondelelcaro> dpkg: xorg.0.log
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3009[20:23:27] <dpkg> xorg.0.log is in /var/log unless you are on
stretch-or-later and running startx as non-root. Then it's in
~/.local/share/xorg/~
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3011[20:23:50] <fly_agaric> okay why is ifconfig missing in
debian 9?
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3012[20:23:52] <dondelelcaro> it's the leading in, IIRC.
some "magic" is parsing that and screwing up
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3013[20:24:26] <dondelelcaro> fly_agaric: it's in net-tools
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3015[20:24:36] <fly_agaric> okay and why is it missing? like
route -n
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3016[20:24:38] <dondelelcaro> fly_agaric: but you should really
switch to using ip
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3017[20:24:55] <dondelelcaro> fly_agaric: because it's no
longer maintained upstream. Everyone has switched to using ip route
-n; for example.
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3018[20:25:06] <dondelelcaro> s/-n//
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3020[20:25:12] <fly_agaric> ip route -n unknown command
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3021[20:25:21] <jmcnaught> tdn: it's usually preferred to
use packages from Debian if you can. take a look for a README.Debian
file in the icinga2 directories in /usr/share/doc/ for any Debian
specific notes or changes
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3022[20:25:29] <dondelelcaro> fly_agaric: just ip route;
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3023[20:25:33] <greycat> "ip route" is not an unknown
command in Debian
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3024[20:25:52] <user23432> This is the error my terminal prints
on running startx. I can get the log too if this isn't helpful:
replaced-url
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3025[20:26:12] <greycat> If you give the -n, it says
"Command "-n" is unknown, try "ip route
help"." which is VERY different from "bash:
something: command not found"
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3028[20:26:44] <fly_agaric> why someone changes this?
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3029[20:26:53] <fly_agaric> it worked for years and now i must
reinstall basic tools
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3031[20:27:26] <fly_agaric> in my opinion very silly
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3034[20:27:57] <mandeep_> argh
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3035[20:28:14] <mandeep_> should have stayed with jessie
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3036[20:28:17] <dondelelcaro> fly_agaric: becaues ifconfig is
super-brittle, ancient code which can't handle all of the
things that you can do with network cards and the linux network
stack
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3037[20:28:32] <user23432> Full log:
replaced-url
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3038[20:28:45] <dondelelcaro> fly_agaric: but it still exists,
and you can install it and use it
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3039[20:28:53] <dondelelcaro> it's just not installed by
default
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3043[20:29:36] <n4dir> i had it installed. weird. probably came
with wicd?
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3044[20:29:48] <greycat> If you upgraded from jessie, it
doesn't get removed.
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3045[20:30:06] <greycat> It's just not part of Standard for
a new install of stretch.
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3046[20:30:07] <n4dir> no, greycat, i installed stretch just the
other day.
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3047[20:30:23] <n4dir> no DE, then xorg, awesome, firefox,
pidgin, tilda, wicd
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3048[20:30:30] <n4dir> and ifconfig sure worked.
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3049[20:30:43] <greycat> Not xorg or firefox... I don't know
the others :)
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3050[20:31:27] <n4dir> a terminal emulator and a chat-client. i
can't see any reason why it should relate to
"ifconfig". oh my. guess it's time to figure it out
later.
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3055[20:32:48] <fly_agaric> ok ok and whats about vim?
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3056[20:32:53] <fly_agaric> i cant copy paste anymore
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3057[20:32:55] <greycat> wicd Depends: wicd-daemon Depends:
net-tools | ethtool, net-tools | iproute2
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3059[20:33:19] <fly_agaric> --insert visual????
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3060[20:33:23] <jmcnaught> user23432: what does 'loginctl
session-status' say when you run it as regular user?
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3061[20:33:27] <n4dir> ta-da. no work for me :-) thanks greycat
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3062[20:33:33] <fly_agaric> I want my old vim back
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3063[20:33:40] <fly_agaric> its unusable
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3064[20:33:44] <greycat> fly_agaric: make sure you have a
~/.vimrc file in the home dir of whoever is running vi, or it does
this stupid new mouse thing that nobody wants
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3065[20:33:54] <greycat> running vim*
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3066[20:34:03] <jmcnaught> user23432: also include 'loginctl
seat-status' in the paste please ☺
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3067[20:34:18] <user23432> jmcnaught: Could not get properties:
No such device or address
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3068[20:34:19] <greycat> e.g. echo set ai >> ~/.vimrc
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3071[20:34:42] <user23432> jmcnaught: both give that
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3072[20:35:07] <jmcnaught> user23432: did you switch from systemd
to something else? what does 'apt-cache policy
libpam-systemd' say?
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3073[20:35:38] <user23432> jmcnaught: no. its not installed
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3074[20:36:05] <user23432> jmcnaught: (I am running systemd)
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3075[20:36:39] <jmcnaught> user23432: install that libpam-systemd
package and log out and back in. I also recommend looking at
'systemctl status' to see if there are any failed units
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3080[20:37:19] <fly_agaric> okay I cant copy paste with new vim
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3082[20:37:31] <jmcnaught> user23432: that package makes it so
when you log in your session is registered with logind, which is
what manages permissions for devices used by Xorg (based on which
session or seat is active)
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3083[20:37:51] <fly_agaric> when there is a tab between words
like in the interfaces copy i must 100000 press delete key to format
the output right after i paste the config
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3084[20:37:59] <fly_agaric> whats wrong with vim? please fixx it
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3085[20:38:24] <jmcnaught> user23432: did you perhaps unselect
the 'standard system utilities' task while installing
Debian?
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3086[20:38:25] <teraflops> n4dir: I think apt-cache rdepends
net-tools --installed will tell you
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3087[20:38:53] <fly_agaric> why does the new vim make auto tab???
-
3088[20:39:00] <n4dir> teraflops: thanks. Will try that. Though
if i understood correct, greycat showed that wicd is the
"culprit"
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3089[20:39:03] <fly_agaric> its a joke really?
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3090[20:39:10] <teraflops> n4dir: I guess so
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3091[20:39:20] <user23432> jmcnaught: indeed
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3093[20:39:42] <n4dir> doesn't bother me much, just curious,
cause this isn't the first time someone complains bout ifconfig
missing (and me goes: huh?)
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3094[20:40:02] <jmcnaught> fly_agaric:
/usr/share/doc/vim-common/NEWS.Debian.gz has a note about this
change
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3095[20:40:02] <jhutchins_wk> fly_agaric: You're probably
using the X version.
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3097[20:40:17] <fly_agaric> i do not have X installed
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3099[20:40:25] <fly_agaric> its a server
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3101[20:40:41] <jmcnaught> user23432: this is the kind of thing
that can happen when you don't install standard
utilities… you're probably missing other stuff that most
of us take for granted as just being there
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3107[20:43:16] <user23432> jmcnaught: I guess so. brb
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3111[20:44:18] <teraflops> jmcnaught: heh, that's the only
task I pick when I install debian using the installer
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3113[20:44:53] <teraflops> hmm, I lied ssh too
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3114[20:45:17] <jmcnaught> teraflops: it's not the first
time I've seen someone shoot themselves in the foot by not
installing it
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3115[20:45:39] <n4dir> I tried it once, for the lulz, and decided
to never do it again :-)
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3116[20:46:22] <jmcnaught> the couple hundred MB you save
isn't worth the time figuring out mysteries like 'why
doesn't startx work?' in my opinion
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3121[20:47:38] <n4dir> + 1 from me.
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3122[20:48:02] <n4dir> same goes for "no Recommends".
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3123[20:48:08] <user23432> jmcnaught: still not working. no
failed units
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3125[20:48:27] <jmcnaught> user23432: you might need other
standard stuff like dbus
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3126[20:48:59] <user23432> jmcnaught: I've got dbus, but I
can look into other possiblities, thanks
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3130[20:50:35] <jmcnaught> user23432: 'aptitude -s install
~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant' will show you what would be
installed if you install all packages with those priorities
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3133[20:51:23] <jmcnaught> user23432: with libpam-systemd
installed I would again look at the seat and session status with
loginctl, and check the errors for startx to see if they are
different
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3148[20:59:41] <user23432> jmcnaught: the logs looks ~ the same.
I remember dealing with this before, and it seemed like it was a
simple permissions issue or something, but I forget how I fixed it.
The loginctl logs:
replaced-url
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3150[21:00:42] <n4dir> not that i have hope, but the first thing
i do in such cases is quickly create a test-user and check if he has
got the same problems
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3152[21:01:16] <jmcnaught> user23432: thanks. the loginctl output
looks normal now. Is the error with startx still '(EE)
parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)'?
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3153[21:01:29] <greycat> user23432: are you *sure* there
isn't just a root-owned ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log file
sitting in the user's home?
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3154[21:01:46] <greycat> Oh, /dev/tty0 ... that is weird.
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3158[21:03:09] <user23432> n4dir: lol, it works with a different
user
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3160[21:03:54] <n4dir> oha. now i am surprised. but that makes
sure no packages are missing. imho: a config file in the users home?
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3161[21:04:07] <greycat> something something systemd something
dbus
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3162[21:04:20] <greycat> or something in /var/run
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3165[21:05:29] <user23432> jmcnaught: yeah
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3176[21:09:45] <jmcnaught> user23432: if it works for a different
user this suggests either files owned by root in your $HOME. Are
both users in the same groups?
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3179[21:10:29] <greycat> some messed up file in $HOME or /var/run
or /run/user or systemd or dbug
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3180[21:10:32] <greycat> dbus*
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3183[21:11:41] <user23432> jmcnaught: original user is in group
sudo, new user is not. Not seeing any root-owned files
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3186[21:12:18] <greycat> the only ones it should try to open (if
you use a regular window manager, not a desktop) are
~/.xsession-errors and ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
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3190[21:14:13] <user23432> welp, I guess I'll just make that
new user the user I use
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3198[21:18:54] <user23432> thanks
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3201[21:19:37] <n4dir> user23432: if you plan to do that you
might just as well "mv" all hidden files and folders to a
backup folder. To test quickly if that solves the problem
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3205[21:20:19] <n4dir> mv .[a-zA-Z0-9]* ~/backup_configs; or such
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3207[21:20:41] <n4dir> aka: the sledgehammer method :-)
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3214[21:23:19] <user23432> n4dir: not working now, but let me
logout and try again, brb
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3220[21:26:55] <user23432> n4dir: aha. the 'screen'
program (gnu screen) is the issue. when its not running, startx
works.
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3222[21:27:08] <greycat> you tried to startx inside screen?!
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3223[21:27:20] <user23432> greycat: yes, yes indeed
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3226[21:27:34] <greycat> 14:11 greycat> The first thing that
comes to my mind is "he's not actually running it on a
Linux console VT".
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3227[21:27:44] <user23432> genioius
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3229[21:27:47] <greycat> one hour 16 minutes
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3232[21:28:44] <n4dir> oh. my. gosh.
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3233[21:29:08] <greycat> also, 14:13 brontosaurusrex> and what
jmcnaught said, should be user console.
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3236[21:29:38] <user23432> yea, i didn't really know what
you all meant, but you were right (tm)
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3248[21:33:53] <n4dir> just to be honest: it happened more than
once to me that i ran startx from screen.
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3345[22:18:52] <glaucom> hi all
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3347[22:19:02] <glaucom> i need help to install driver nvidia
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3350[22:19:26] <glaucom> i try apt-get , and message any worng
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3351[22:19:41] <glaucom> i try download from nvidia, blackscreen
flashing
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3352[22:19:56] <glaucom> system is freezing default driver :(
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3354[22:20:16] <kalebo> is there a way to add a default boot
parameter with d-i in preseed?
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3360[22:21:59] <kalebo> E.g., kickstart has bootloader option
that lets me append a parameter
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3367[22:23:26] <kalebo> Oh, nvm I think I found it in the
documentation
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3368[22:23:42] <jmcnaught> glaucom: running the installer from
the nvidia website is definitely the wrong way
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3371[22:24:05] <glaucom> i need reinstall debian :(
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3372[22:24:14] <glaucom> now , i try again
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3374[22:24:16] <jmcnaught> glaucom: did you follow these
instructions?
replaced-url
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3375[22:24:36] <jhutchins_wk> jmcnaught: It's the only way
for some of the newer caredds.
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3376[22:24:36] <glaucom> now system freezing
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3378[22:25:08] <glaucom> my card is 740m
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3380[22:25:42] <glaucom> GT740m
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3389[22:28:16] <ikus060> Hello, my laptop keyboard is repporting
the wrong keycode for Super Key. It report SUPER_R while it's
actually on the left, so I'm expecting Super_L. Any way to fix
this ?
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3393[22:29:09] <greycat> xmodmap
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3395[22:30:01] <ikus060> greycat: I would need a bit more
guidance. Alot of people are making reference to xmodmap and many
guide are not working...
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3396[22:30:09] <greycat> man xmodmap
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3416[22:43:42] <ikus060> greycat: somehow I belive Gnome Shell
does not really care about xmodmap to open the activity tab
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3418[22:44:04] <greycat> Oh, *GNOME* is involved. Well, hell.
Nothing we can do, then.
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3419[22:44:24] <greycat> Try finding a GNOME channel, if there is
such a thing.
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3422[22:45:44] <ikus060> greycat: ok, thanks for helping
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3434[22:50:02] <jmcnaught> ikus060: you're trying to get to
the activities overview with the super button?
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