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1 [00:00:04] <nyov> no, it was always netfilter
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6 [00:00:47] <BCMM> nyov: merged in 2014
7 [00:00:54] <nyov> humm
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10 [00:01:12] <nyov> then it must have been tooling problems for
me
11 [00:01:45] <nyov> suppose then it's time to get it
finally done *g*
12 [00:02:16] <nyov> slark: you used bsd firewall on linux?
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15 [00:02:47] <slark> nyov: but but i was running packetfilter
on openbsd
16 [00:03:08] <slark> nyov: no, but i think there is a linux
version
17 [00:03:25] <nyov> actually I heard nftables is more similar
to pf now
18 [00:03:34] <nyov> than iptables was
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21 [00:04:09] <slark> ok good to know
22 [00:04:26] <slark> nyov: well i will start my installation
then :) welcome back linux
23 [00:04:38] <slark> any good link or resource for post install
stuff ?
24 [00:04:42] <nyov> good luck
25 [00:04:55] <slark> there is a post install section in the
debian doc i think
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30 [00:06:53] <nyov> I don't rightly know
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33 [00:08:49] <annadane>
replaced-url
34 [00:09:12] <slark> annadane: thx
35 [00:09:18] <annadane>
replaced-url
36 [00:09:33] <slark> nyov: thx for all the usefull informations
37 [00:09:39] <slark> ryouma: you too :)
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39 [00:09:46] <nyov> slark: if you found any in there ;)
40 [00:09:59] <annadane> really the entire debian reference is
worth reading; it's a very nice document
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42 [00:10:34] <nyov> Alt-SysRq. hmm neato
43 [00:10:43] <nyov> I'll bookmark that
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46 [00:11:26] <annadane> the ref manual is apparently routinely
updated. the handbook... not so much
47 [00:11:36] <annadane> there's probably one or two things
out of date but still gives a good general overview
48 [00:11:53] <annadane> (feel free to file bugs against the
debian-handbook package)
49 [00:12:21] <nyov> interesting that screen is still more
documented than tmux :)
50 [00:12:49] <annadane> i think i may do that anyway just from
ctrl + f'ing "alioth"
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54 [00:13:53] <nyov> is OpenVZ still a thing?
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81 [00:41:16] <pldiem1> during each boot I see this message:
iTCO_wdt: can't request region for resource [mem 0x00c5f
82 [00:41:21] <pldiem1> should I worry?
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97 [00:49:37] <jetscreamer> i take it this is not the place to
ask about the live dvd
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101 [00:52:30] <annadane> jetscreamer, sure it is
102 [00:52:40] <annadane> or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net but
here is ok too
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105 [00:53:35] <jetscreamer> boot the dvd, wireless works fine,
can't find the installer. reboot the dvd, enter installer,
installer says 'you need the firmware for xxx'
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109 [00:54:51] <annadane> there are some firmware images here
replaced-url
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111 [00:55:57] <annadane> not sure whether or not that's
related to your problem but you can try perhaps
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117 [00:59:36] <jetscreamer> yes, thank you. thought about that,
but the firmware seems to be on the dvd. i dl'd the non-free
one w/firmware. boot to live, 'just works'™
118 [01:00:13] <jetscreamer> boot to installer, not so much
119 [01:01:51] <jetscreamer> heh. i notice that i still hate that
debian decided to leave freenode ...
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126 [01:04:03] <jetscreamer> must identify... well so much for
that
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128 [01:04:23] <jetscreamer> now i remember in much greater
detail
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131 [01:06:16] <jetscreamer> !thank annadane
132 [01:06:16] <dpkg> jetscreamer: de nada
133 [01:06:20] <jetscreamer> gah
134 [01:06:27] <jetscreamer> !worship annadane
135 [01:06:28] * dpkg kneels before annadane. "I'm not
worthy!"
136 [01:06:39] * jetscreamer forgot a lot
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138 [01:08:06] <annadane> oh maybe the right link is
replaced-url
139 [01:08:23] <annadane> i think current is the right one to use
and 9.5 is what was available at the time of release? not sure
140 [01:08:23] <jetscreamer> no, 'that' is the image
i'm discussing :)
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142 [01:09:01] <jetscreamer>
debian-live-9.5.0-amd64-xfce+nonfree.iso
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145 [01:09:56] <jetscreamer> i can make it work,
'workaround' it... i hate filing br's too :/ but
that's what i should do
146 [01:10:33] <annadane> otherwise i'm not sure i can find
a live dvd specifically. sorry if i didn't answer your question
147 [01:11:12] <jetscreamer> thought it might be a known issue
with an easy workaround.. thank you again.
148 [01:11:37] <jetscreamer> they should make toram a menu
option, too
149 [01:12:48] <jetscreamer> ^^in grub menu
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151 [01:13:39] <annadane> possible it is an issue with a
workaround. i'm simply a useless pleb who made an educated
guess and probably should do less of such
152 [01:14:13] <jetscreamer> nah that would have worked for 90%
of the ppl you've never seen in this channel before :)
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154 [01:14:36] <jetscreamer> i always get the weird bugs nobody
else gets :/
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162 [01:18:06] * jetscreamer reboots to installer <<<
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164 [01:22:41] <ryouma> huh. something on the system thinks i
have a parallel port. "WARNING: CPU: 2 PID: 25759 at
/build/linux-luZh6p/linux-3.16.57/fs/sysfs/group.c:219
device_del+0x40/0x1d0()". "parport378 0x(WARNING): CTR:
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169 [01:26:42] <awal1> how can make my system (openbox) lock
screen after resume from suspend?
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171 [01:28:04] <awal1> i usually just run via keyboard shortcut
"systemctl suspend" but anyone pressing the power button
can have access
172 [01:28:45] <bites> write a wrapper that first locks, then
suspends.
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174 [01:29:21] <awal1> well, if i execute xscreen-saver before
closing the lid resuming from suspend X still locked by
xscreen-saver
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176 [01:30:10] <awal1> so maybe i just need a shortcut for
execute xscreen-saver && systemctl susspend
177 [01:30:31] <bites> that's what i was telling you.
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179 [01:30:37] <awal1> ok
180 [01:30:45] <awal1> lets try
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185 [01:31:41] <awal1> xscreensaver ^
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195 [01:37:53] <awal1> good, "xscreensaver-command -lock
&& systemctl suspend" does the job
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199 [01:38:21] <awal1> systemd doesn't provide lock screen
utility itself?
200 [01:38:47] <bites> maybe search in the systemd package
manager.
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203 [01:39:18] <awal1> nothing in manual
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239 [02:18:51] <SerajewelKS> are tar incremental backups capable
of handling files moved since the last snapshot without duplicating
the entire file in a new incremental backup?
240 [02:19:14] <SerajewelKS> if not, is there a more-or-less
standard backup tool that can accomplish that?
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248 [02:32:16] * awal1 Impressed by mate-themes. Really polished. Using
blue-menta variant :)
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310 [03:38:19] <aloo_shu> my hwclock is spring based, where can I
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313 [03:41:04] <aypea[3]> hey. which direction do ip route metric
preferences go? the bigger the number the higher the preference or
the smaller the number?
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319 [03:46:43] <ryouma> SerajewelKS: great question. if tar
cannot, then the only ones i know of are obnam and de-duplicating
filesystems. or use rsync in rsnapshot and then manually do it with
the likes of fdupes --hardlink or whatever it is. (but dunno if it
will do metadata correctly.)
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322 [03:47:41] <ryouma> rsync and rsnapshot of course will do it
correctly when you do /not/ move files
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325 [03:50:34] <ryouma> awal1: huh. maybe i should try
xscreensaver again. seemed too bloated. slock is great but the
combination of running it and turning off monitor crashes when run
from cron, even though works when run manually.
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328 [03:54:41] <awal1> ryouma, I almost use 'xtrlock'
for usuall locks; xscreensaver rarely
329 [03:55:05] <awal1> well, xtrlock doesn't hide the screen
, it just lock it
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332 [03:55:20] <awal1> i like that feature
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336 [03:56:06] <awal1> i can still watching my movie and
don't care about my cat :D
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339 [03:57:20] <awal1> my naughty cat may execute su and root
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343 [04:02:18] <awal1> ryouma, try 'lxlock'
344 [04:02:36] <awal1> lxde stuuf are usually lightweight and
works nice
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347 [04:08:04] <ryouma> i'll look into both, but i prefer
hiding it too
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350 [04:08:51] <ryouma> no cat-detector for linux i gather
351 [04:10:26] <ryouma> lxlock not a package in jessie i see;
xtrlock not have hide option i guess
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415 [05:19:32] <n4dir> blkid gives this output for a usb-stick:
/dev/sdb1: UUID="2018-07-14-11-12-41-00"
LABEL="Debian 9.5.0 i386 n" TYPE="iso9660"
PTUUID="3ad8b859" PTTYPE="dos"
PARTUUID="3ad8b859-01"
416 [05:20:12] <n4dir> the UUID looks like a timestamp, and it
looks weird to me. Do i have to think twice, or can i just put it in
fstab?
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437 [05:42:48] <n4dir> anyway: i want to put a chroot on a
usb-stick. I used debootstrap, installed a kernel, did adduser,
cp'ed /proc/mounts host to mtab chroot and cp'ed hosts.
cp'ed fstab and copied it.
438 [05:42:59] <n4dir> can't think of anything obvious i
missed.
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451 [05:56:17] <ryouma> n4dir: try more than blkid?
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461 [06:18:04] <SerajewelKS> how can i get to the kernel ring
buffer when dmesg isn't readable?
462 [06:18:08] <SerajewelKS> some node in /proc?
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464 [06:20:28] <annadane> "why isn't dmesg
readable?"
465 [06:21:25] <SerajewelKS> because / is on a raid10 that
apparently both disks in one set failed out of the array
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468 [06:22:04] <SerajewelKS> it's a backup server so
it's not critical but i'm not physically there so i'm
trying to determine what happened as best i can before i can
physically get to the server tomorrow
469 [06:23:08] <SerajewelKS> bonus points if anyone can tell me
how to reassemble the array read-only without access to mdadm ;)
470 [06:24:00] <SerajewelKS> basically i have no tools except
builtins
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477 [06:27:01] <SerajewelKS> lol okay so all of the disks are
detached somehow. /dev/sd* doesn't exist anymore. i have no
idea how this system is even still running.
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481 [06:29:41] <SerajewelKS> what i'm really interested in
is the kernel ringbuffer
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485 [06:33:25] <elwisp> i have Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt
--fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution)
486 [06:33:37] <elwisp> but i do not want to install these
packages, how do i discard it?
487 [06:34:01] <elwisp> this was from installing a downloaded
package that it turns out that i did not need
488 [06:34:10] <SerajewelKS> elwisp: uninstall that package
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494 [06:37:03] <elwisp> SerajewelKS: thanks a bunch!
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497 [06:44:00] <SerajewelKS> elwisp: np
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499 [06:45:38] <annadane> SerajewelKS, i am way too much of a
moron to answer you but there may be some experts on the mailing
list
500 [06:45:43] <annadane> debian-user@lists.debian.org
501 [06:45:49] <annadane> it's also late at night for na
folks
502 [06:46:05] <n4dir> and way too early in europe.
503 [06:48:17] <diogenes_> Linus Torvalds takes a break from
Linux
504 [06:48:28] <kopper> Old news
505 [06:48:52] <annadane> also off topic
506 [06:48:55] <nyov> Finally gonna build a great microkernel? :D
507 [06:49:03] <annadane> (especially when someone has a support
question)
508 [06:49:15] <diogenes_> )
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511 [06:52:31] <nyov> SerajewelKS: I only know "echo 0 >
/proc/sys/kernel/dmesg_restrict" to relax dmesg buffer reads ;)
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515 [06:55:01] <nyov> SerajewelKS: perhaps you can download a
'dmesg' binary onto that system
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517 [06:57:46] <nyov> (and you should just be able to mount a new
/proc anywhere)
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668 [09:18:38] <rmrfchik> seems like latest tor browser is broken
in debian
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674 [09:23:08] <diogenes_> rmrfchik, i've heard there
675 [09:23:13] <diogenes_> some wgl issues
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694 [09:42:57] <stevenm> hey if I use 'echo package
package/string boolean true | debconf-set-selections' on a
particular package then it doesn't seem to prevent the dialog
box from popping up - just instead change which option is
highlighted by default
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696 [09:43:24] <stevenm> e.g. if you set false before installing
then when the dialog pops up the 'No' button is
highlighted - if set to true then the 'Yes' is highlighted
697 [09:43:39] <stevenm> anyway to get the dialog box not to show
up at all (short of making apt non-interactive entirely)
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704 [09:48:09] <Fox> stevenm: did you try
`DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt ...`
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711 [09:53:34] <stevenm> Fox, no i haven't - but you can see
what I just said about that
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720 [10:02:09] <Fox> stevenm: you should use
debconf-set-selections AND set DEBIAN_FRONTEND to noninteractive for
that to work if I remember correctly
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752 [10:46:44] <lupulo> Hi
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756 [10:49:19] <tdn> How do I get a list of all the entries in my
"Games" menu in xfce?
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758 [10:51:29] <likcoras> Uninstall them
759 [10:51:59] <nyov> tdn: depends on what is building that list
in the first place
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768 [10:54:53] <nyov> tdn: perhaps this will help;
replaced-url
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771 [10:56:29] <tdn> nyov, update-menus --stdout produces empty
output
772 [10:56:45] <tdn> nyov, I do not know how the list is being
build
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775 [11:00:59] <nyov> tdn: look for '*.desktop' desktop
entry files then
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778 [11:02:02] <nyov> you might find stuff in
/var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/ or
~/.local/share/applications/menu-xdg/
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781 [11:02:15] <nyov> or even in ~/Desktop/
782 [11:02:36] <tdn> ls: cannot access
'/var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/': No such file
or directory
783 [11:02:46] <tdn> nyov, nothing in ~/Desktop
784 [11:02:54] <tdn> nyov, this is in the Applications menu
785 [11:03:03] <tdn> nyov, it is there for all users. It is a
standard thing.
786 [11:03:10] <tdn> nyov, it has System, Accessories, Games,
etc.
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788 [11:03:32] <nyov> tdn: sorry, no idea what builds that menu
on xfce
789 [11:03:45] <tdn> nyov, if I could take a screenshot of the
menu that would even be fine. However, I cannot focus any other
window without having the menu disappear
790 [11:04:03] <tdn> nyov, what if I install a different wm? It
does not have to be xfce
791 [11:04:06] <nyov> that wouldn't help anything
792 [11:04:10] <tdn> I will install kde if it is possible there.
793 [11:05:05] <tdn> Can I then get a list of all installed
apackges that are "games"? Ie. they are in some
"games" category?
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796 [11:08:49] <nyov> tdn: can you find them in /usr/share/menu/
?
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806 [11:11:24] <tdn> nyov, yes
807 [11:12:14] <nyov> awesome
808 [11:12:40] <nyov> tdn: if they are all in there, you can
parse those files
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810 [11:12:49] <tdn> nyov, there are only few it seems.
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816 [11:14:48] <nyov> well. if they are not desktop files, and
not menu files, Idk where they might hide
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826 [11:16:51] <tdn> nyov, I guess Ill have to take an actual
photo of the monitor :|
827 [11:17:11] <nyov> and then?
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834 [11:20:20] <jelly> uh, two hot and sour soups?
835 [11:20:33] <nyov> and then?
836 [11:20:38] <nyov> :D
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838 [11:20:51] <neoclust> hello
839 [11:20:51] <nyov> and THEN?
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841 [11:21:21] <nyov> tdn: to find anything game related in
/usr/share/menu/, you can do this: `find /usr/share/menu/ -type f
-exec grep -l Games {} \;`
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843 [11:22:00] <nyov> tdn: to hunt down any Desktop files, you
can try this: find ~/ -type f -iname '*.desktop'
844 [11:22:18] <nyov> can't help you any more than this,
sorry
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855 [11:34:24] <tdn> nyov, that is what I did
856 [11:34:33] <tdn> nyov, but I ended up taking a photo of the
screen
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861 [11:37:48] <dionysus69> I have this problem with installing
nginx-extras, any ideas?
replaced-url
862 [11:38:01] <dionysus69> this is the first time I have such
error
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864 [11:40:16] <nyov> dionysus69: do you have backports in your
sources.list?
865 [11:40:24] <babilen> dpkg: bat
866 [11:40:24] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
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869 [11:40:43] <babilen> dpkg: As always ^^ check out
"apt-cache policy ..." for the packages in question and
paste that too
870 [11:40:43] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, babilen
871 [11:40:55] <babilen> dionysus69: As always ^^ check out
"apt-cache policy ..." for the packages in question and
paste that too
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873 [11:42:46] <dionysus69> babilen: here it is :)
replaced-url
874 [11:43:04] <dionysus69> nyov: I do have backports yes
875 [11:44:33] <babilen> dionysus69: That seems to be missing the
command output of apt-cache policy for the packages in question
876 [11:44:51] <babilen> Please note the "ALL OF THE
FOLLOWING"
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879 [11:45:12] <babilen> My guess would be that you have to pull
it in from backports because you have nginx installed from there
already, but *shrug*
880 [11:45:16] <dionysus69>
replaced-url
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882 [11:45:38] <dionysus69> I dont remembering installing nginx
from backports really
883 [11:46:18] <babilen> Well .. we would know if you were to pay
attention to 2. ;)
884 [11:46:24] <dionysus69> thats for nginxc
replaced-url
885 [11:46:42] <babilen> There we go
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887 [11:46:45] <dionysus69> :D
888 [11:47:12] <babilen> Problem solved :)
889 [11:47:26] <dionysus69> so, does this imply that I have nginx
from backports? thats the problem?
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891 [11:47:35] <annadane> it has 'bpo' in the name, so
yes
892 [11:47:41] <babilen> I wouldn't call it a problem, but
that's the underlying reason, yes
893 [11:47:44] <dionysus69> I dont see why I would install nginx
from backports
894 [11:47:56] <babilen> I can assure you that it wasn't me
895 [11:47:57] <dionysus69> hmm ok at least I figured, thanks
lots :)
896 [11:48:01] <dionysus69> :D
897 [11:48:39] <babilen> Feel free to dive into /var/log/apt/*
and correlate that with your personal schedule
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899 [11:49:11] <annadane> also as root if you're truly
curious "history | grep nginx"
900 [11:50:08] <annadane> or otherwise aptitude why nginx
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902 [11:50:30] <babilen> You'd always have to explicitly
pull it in from backports
903 [11:50:38] <annadane> ah all right
904 [11:50:49] <annadane> yeah i'd have a hard time thinking
of what would drag it in
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911 [11:55:22] <pldiem1> hi
912 [11:55:44] <pldiem1> I have Nvidia optimus in my laptop
913 [11:56:03] <pldiem1> yesterday we tried to attach external
monitor via HDMI without luck
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915 [11:56:12] <pldiem1> suggestion was to try mini DP
916 [11:56:25] <pldiem1> I do have cable today and doesn't
work as well
917 [11:56:44] <pldiem1> does anyone know what to do?
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921 [11:58:29] <peanatsu> hi. I have a pc without monitor (but
with mouse and keyboard attached) and try to use my phone as a
substitute monitor.
922 [11:59:09] <peanatsu> I thought I could use tigervnc and then
android vnc viewer, but for some reasone that does not allow me to
use my keyboard and mouse (it only accepts input from my phone)
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926 [12:00:44] <peanatsu> is it possible to have tigervnc recieve
input from local peripherals? alternative would be x11vnc, but I
couldnt get Xorg to run headless for some reason..
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940 [12:10:59] <pldiem1> continuing my question, when I do lspci
-v
941 [12:11:20] <pldiem1> I can see Unknown header type 7f under
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA...
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950 [12:18:13] <pldiem1> anyone?
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955 [12:20:21] <petn-randall> pldiem1: Have you already tried
setting up bumblebee?
956 [12:20:23] <petn-randall> !optimus
957 [12:20:23] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide
support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux
systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are
Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep
'\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the
laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and
<wheezy-backports>.
replaced-url
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961 [12:21:06] <pldiem1> yes, I do have bumblebee
962 [12:21:48] <pldiem1> optirun glxgears works fine
963 [12:21:48] <petn-randall> pldiem1: And you set it up like in
the wiki?
964 [12:21:54] <muAdmDev> back at my cronjob problem
"cronjob arbitrarily not run". In auth.log there is always
a pam_unix "session closed" missing, when the cron
didn't run
965 [12:22:06] <muAdmDev> I recognised that my cron is more like
not run, when other cronjobss are started too.
966 [12:22:22] <petn-randall> muAdmDev: What is the exact line
you're trying to run with cron?
967 [12:23:05] <pldiem1> petn-randall: wiki says only about
"sudo apt-get install bumblebee primus"
968 [12:23:22] <pldiem1> and I have done thta
969 [12:23:49] <pldiem1> sorry I also did
'sudo adduser $USER bumblebee"
970 [12:24:10] <muAdmDev> petn-randall: it's independent of
the specific job, since we saw this behavior for all of them. my
test case now is every minute "
971 [12:25:09] <muAdmDev>
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973 [12:25:47] <muAdmDev> line from crontab -l "* * * * *
/root/crons/testCronTouchEveryMin.sh >>
/var/log/testCron.log"
974 [12:26:02] <pldiem1> lspci -nn | grep
'\''[030[02]\] <- returns nothing
975 [12:26:53] <petn-randall> muAdmDev: Missing newline at the
end of the line?
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977 [12:28:30] <petn-randall> ... at the end of the crontab
entry?
978 [12:29:01] <petn-randall> That's one typical error, the
other is expecting any environment vars (e.g. $PATH) to be set.
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982 [12:32:10] <TvL2386> muAdmDev: I would also append: 2>>
/var/log/testCron.stderr
983 [12:32:20] <muAdmDev> petn-randall: already went through
typical mistakes last week. also env stuff, using absolute paths...
further it not the case that the crons are never run. e.g. a cronjob
every 5 minutes fails around 2-3 times per hour. a cronjob every
minute fails 5-6 times per hour
984 [12:33:17] <petn-randall> muAdmDev: Fails how? What's
the logging output?
985 [12:33:34] <muAdmDev> TvL2386: thx, I guess i'd get
those via e-mail due to MAILTO...
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988 [12:34:02] <TvL2386> muAdmDev: You should also see a line in
/var/log/syslog when cron is executing something
989 [12:34:10] <muAdmDev> petn-randall: it just isn't run
(concerning to cron.log) there is no error, checked every log
990 [12:34:39] <TvL2386> muAdmDev: Sep 18 12:30:01 server01
CRON[2775]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin..................)
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992 [12:34:49] <petn-randall> muAdmDev: So you mean is just
silently skips it 5-6 times an hour?
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994 [12:35:29] <muAdmDev> TvL2386: yes, it's also logged to
syslog, I know
995 [12:35:57] <muAdmDev> petn-randall: yes, we have no
explanation so far... and the pressure rises :(
996 [12:36:39] <petn-randall> muAdmDev: What OS release is this?
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998 [12:37:15] <muAdmDev> petn-randall: as I said above, only one
thing may be suspicious. in auth.log there is always one
"CRON[16876]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user
root" missing, when the cronjob is not run
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1000 [12:37:50] <muAdmDev> petn-randall: debian 9.5
(3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-3 (2017-12-13) x86_64
GNU/Linux)
1001 [12:38:09] <TvL2386> muAdmDev: maybe I'm missing it, but
do you have evidence (in /var/log/syslog) that the cronjob is
started or is it missing completely
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1005 [12:39:35] <muAdmDev> TvL2386: it just not run (or logged).
entry is missing in cron.log and also in syslog. another cronjob
(every 5 minutes) is run at the same time...
1006 [12:39:44] <TvL2386> ah check
1007 [12:40:33] <TvL2386> if I were you, I'd investigate to
see if I can stop the cron daemon and start it with debugging and in
the foreground
1008 [12:40:49] <muAdmDev> ok, good stuff
1009 [12:41:12] <TvL2386> might give you new pointers
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1014 [12:45:36] <petn-randall> muAdmDev: The kernel version does
not match stretch.
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1021 [12:49:33] <muAdmDev> petn-randall: I just realized, that the
kernel-update was kept back... so how do I force the kernel update?
1022 [12:50:05] <petn-randall> muAdmDev: 'apt update
&& apt upgrade', then reboot.
1023 [12:50:20] <annadane> and not dist-upgrade?
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1025 [12:51:03] <petn-randall> annadane: 'apt-get
upgrade' will not install new packages, 'apt upgrade'
will.
1026 [12:51:15] <annadane> oh, righto. i should know this.
1027 [12:51:27] <petn-randall> 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
will also remove packages to fullfil the dependencies.
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1033 [12:55:52] <muAdmDev> thx so far guys, this one has been
really (and still is) a pain in the ass
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1057 [13:18:03] <jelly> !kernels
1058 [13:18:05] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.19-rc4,
stable 4.18: 4.18.8, stable 4.17: 4.17.19 (EOL), longterm 4.14:
4.14.70, longterm 4.9: 4.9.127, longterm 4.4: 4.4.156, longterm
3.18: 3.18.122 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.57, linux-next:
next-20180918
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1076 [13:37:02] <YesMan> Hello
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1079 [13:38:51] <YesMan> I was investigating boot time on my newly
installed Debian 9 CLI only. 30+ seconds to boot after grub while a
rasbian take a handful of second to do so.
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1083 [13:42:07] <YesMan> Looking at journalctl using -p 4 argument
I see various kernel messages about TSC warp between cores (over
4billion cycles). The machine is a Dell Inspiron 6400/E1501 with a
Celeron Duo CPU. The bios is in the latest version
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1086 [13:43:07] <YesMan> Is there a way to fix the cores sync
issues or is it a bios bug?
1087 [13:44:10] <abrotman> Did you look for an updated bios?
1088 [13:44:18] <RoyK> YesMan: are using ssd or spinning rust on
the Inspiron?
1089 [13:44:46] <YesMan> Yes I did install the latest bios
available for my system, and yes it is running from an HDD
1090 [13:45:02] <RoyK> 5400rpm?
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1092 [13:45:21] <RoyK> smartctl -i /dev/sda should tell
1093 [13:45:33] <petn-randall> YesMan: That's probably the
reason it takes longer. The Raspbian images only contain modules for
that specific hardware, whereas the Debian kernel contains a lot
more.
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1095 [13:46:08] <RoyK> petn-randall: also - although lots of
sd(micro) cards are slow, they are never as slow as an hdd for
random i/o ;)
1096 [13:46:31] <petn-randall> RoyK: indeed.
1097 [13:46:55] <petn-randall> YesMan: You can also run
'systemd-analyze critical-chain' on the Dell machine, and
share it with us on
replaced-url
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1100 [13:48:33] <YesMan> RoyK: Most likely it is a laptop from
2006. I'm not sure how to check that on linux, and the HDD is
not easily accessible
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1102 [13:49:42] <jelly> YesMan: what's the uptime on that
machine, when did yoo last power it off and then on?
1103 [13:49:56] <jelly> (not just reboot)
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1105 [13:50:23] <YesMan> Not much a few hours
1106 [13:50:48] <jelly> tsc overflow can happen in some situations
after long uptime and soft reboot, but if it's just a few hours
that's not it then
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1114 [13:55:22] <YesMan> petn-randall: here's the critical
chain dump
replaced-url
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1116 [13:57:35] <YesMan> It was running windows seven yesterday,
and I've been using it for a week or so, and it had not been
powered on since 2013 before that. But it was safely stored in a
nice pouch for all this time
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1119 [13:58:03] <petn-randall> YesMan: It looks like a completely
normal bootup time to me.
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1122 [13:59:42] <RoyK> YesMan: I also run windows from time to
time - old habit - I also bang my head in concrete occationally,
just for the fun of it
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1125 [14:00:34] <YesMan> Windows 7 took about the same time for a
reboot from the desktop, while debian without any GUI take that time
from grub. But the thing that bothers me is the poor performances
under cinnamon despite hardware acceleration
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1127 [14:02:08] <YesMan> So I went ahead and reinstalled debian
with minimal packages from the netinstall image.
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1133 [14:05:47] <YesMan> I'd like to use that machine as a
server, and I would like to make it as reliable as possible before
that. From what I undestance with the TSC clock disabled the
multicore performance is severly compromised
1134 [14:05:52] <jelly> YesMan: eh, it's possible the
hardware is failing in unusual ways
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1136 [14:06:40] <YesMan> I used on windows without any issue, it
was performing quite well despite the lackluster hardware
1137 [14:06:40] <jelly> powered off for 5 years, did you at least
clean the fans properly and maybe reapplied thermal paste
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1139 [14:07:25] <YesMan> I did not reapply any thermal paste, but
the laptop is as clean as it can be, and the temp under workload
were nominal
1140 [14:07:39] <jelly> nod
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1143 [14:10:02] <YesMan> I'll reinstall windows 7 and look
for the TSC behavior, but I really don't think there's
anything wrong with the hardware, and it was stored very well.
1144 [14:10:12] <slax0r> no thermal paste? do you hate your cpu?
1145 [14:10:39] <YesMan> I mean I did not replace it
1146 [14:10:43] <slax0r> oh
1147 [14:11:09] <YesMan> It's a laptop a the case is badly
designed, you'd have to take everything apart to service it
properly
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1150 [14:11:55] <slax0r> laptops are crazy today, I had to take
apart my whole laptop to add RAM
1151 [14:12:38] <YesMan> HP pro laptops can be openned with a
single switch and allow you to access anything, that's really
neat
1152 [14:12:39] <diogenes_> slax0r, it's not laptops,
it's manufacturers :)
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1156 [14:13:20] <slax0r> diogenes_: well, yes
1157 [14:13:23] <slax0r> manufacturers make laptops
1158 [14:13:56] <YesMan> petn-randall: Red lines in critical chain
are the worst offenders in boot time?
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1162 [14:14:46] <RoyK> YesMan: smartctl works on machines from
that time too
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1164 [14:16:17] <YesMan> The thing that worries me the most is
that dual core desync, I can leave with a long boot delay as once
the setup is done it won't matter
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1169 [14:17:45] <YesMan> And the piss poor cinnamon performance
(I'll need it for some game server)
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1172 [14:23:03] <YesMan> here's the journalctl dump
replaced-url
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1188 [14:47:38] <petn-randall> YesMan: red lines mean that
it's part of the chain that other services wait on it. The time
after the "+" is how long it's being waited on.
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1191 [14:53:30] <YesMan> petn-randall: Thanks
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1194 [14:54:13] <petn-randall> YesMan: And 25 seconds to boot
completely normal. I'm assuming you installed a GUI, too?
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1196 [14:55:01] <YesMan> Yeah I manually installed Cinnamon
however I don't start it on boot, I manually startx
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1199 [14:56:00] <petn-randall> YesMan: It probably tries to start,
but fails.
1200 [14:56:30] <YesMan> Honestly since I fixed a bunch of warning
about LVM & some wififirmware missing boot time is not that bad,
before that it was 35+.
1201 [14:57:04] <YesMan> petn-randall: what is responsible for the
launch of the xserver?
1202 [14:57:22] <petn-randall> YesMan: You could remove
avahi-daemons, and shave off another second or so. But if it's
a gaming server, would you be booting it that often?
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1204 [14:59:50] <YesMan> Some gameserver (AAPG) seems to require
steam client to run it. Maybe it's only for setup, I will see.
I'm not too worried about boot time. I did configure wake on
lan so the server will only be running when needed but 25sec is not
that bad
1205 [15:00:35] <petn-randall> YesMan: You could buy a SSD and
half that time, but other than that I don't see you pulling
that number down significantly.
1206 [15:00:45] <petn-randall> s/half/halve/
1207 [15:01:02] <YesMan> It's TSC clock thing that worries
me, I can't find much on it and I'm not sure how it
interact with debian, can it be the result of bad config or driver
problem or is it a bios problem
1208 [15:02:10] <YesMan> I went to look at the journalctl thing
because of the boot time, thanks to that I was able to fix some
drivers issues, I'd like to solve every kernel message before
moving on
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1211 [15:02:53] <YesMan> The two things I'm looking into now
is the Duplicate ACPI video bus problem and the core synchronisation
1212 [15:03:08] <YesMan> There barely anything about that online
1213 [15:03:12] <YesMan> 's*
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1223 [15:10:32] <HardlyHardware> Is grabbing WIFI drivers offline
fairly straight forwarD?
1224 [15:10:47] <HardlyHardware> Sorry I should google the
solution first I know.
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1226 [15:11:42] <HardlyHardware> Non free Wifi drivers.
1227 [15:12:03] <HardlyHardware> Half tempted to just pull the
WIFI card out and try and get a Libre supported one
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1229 [15:13:26] <nyov> with a wlan-cable it's fairly easy to
grab wifi-drivers off the line
1230 [15:13:29] <petn-randall> YesMan: If you don't see any
issue, I'd assume any warnings/errors are cosmetical in the
kernel log.
1231 [15:14:06] <n4dir> what is a wlan cable ?
1232 [15:14:19] <HardlyHardware> n4dir: thats what I was thinking
1233 [15:14:42] <n4dir> they invent new stuff every day to scare
the guts out of me ... :-)
1234 [15:15:22] <nyov> D:
1235 [15:16:01] <HardlyHardware> n4dir: scary part is it happens
so fast even the people making it don't understand the full
repercussions. "It'll be fine don't worry"
1236 [15:16:03] <nyov> no-free drivers are all pulled in by
firmware-linux-nonfree
1237 [15:16:12] <nyov> (pretty much)
1238 [15:16:30] <n4dir> HardlyHardware: :-)
1239 [15:17:41] <nyov> HardlyHardware: sorry for the joke. do you
a pci-id for your hardware?
1240 [15:17:45] <nyov> *have
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1242 [15:18:12] <nyov> then you could just download the deb
package from the website
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1244 [15:18:26] <nyov> and install it from usb or some such
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1246 [15:19:35] <petn-randall> HardlyHardware: Do you already have
the system installed? If not, you can use:
1247 [15:19:42] <petn-randall> !firmware images
1248 [15:19:42] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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1252 [15:20:24] <HardlyHardware> ah okay
1253 [15:20:29] <HardlyHardware> Not installed yet
1254 [15:20:35] <HardlyHardware> I do have the PCI-ID
1255 [15:20:42] <superlinux> hello. with respect to debian testing
"buster" when it's supposed to be stable? do you know
an estimated date you can tell me? I just want to see whether I can
upgrade my desktop to it
1256 [15:20:47] <HardlyHardware> I created the USB for installing
already but
1257 [15:21:02] <HardlyHardware> The Wifi card isn't libre
supported
1258 [15:21:30] <nyov> as is usually the case. *sigh*
1259 [15:21:33] <superlinux> .. whether it's OK to upgrade
now or should I wait?
1260 [15:21:35] <nyov> these wifi vendors
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1262 [15:22:11] <nyov> superlinux: if you can, use backports.
testing is a moving target
1263 [15:22:15] <petn-randall> HardlyHardware: Most firmware is
not free software, right. But you have two options: 1) Throw away
the wifi device, and buy a fully libre one, or 2) Install the
non-free firmware, which is just a newer version of what is already
burned-in on the device.
1264 [15:22:19] <nyov> as in, can break any time
1265 [15:22:48] <superlinux> nyov, Ah! yes.. I forgot about
backports. thanks
1266 [15:23:05] <petn-randall> superlinux: No, buster is not
released, and is still a volatile, fast-moving suite. Only update if
you want to help with testing, fixing, and debugging the upcoming
release.
1267 [15:23:10] <nyov> superlinux: no release date had been set
for buster
1268 [15:23:18] <petn-randall> !wwbr
1269 [15:23:18] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" start the
<freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019.
replaced-url
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1271 [15:23:43] <nyov> well. tentative
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1273 [15:23:53] <nyov> let's aim for early 2020 ;)
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1275 [15:24:14] <superlinux> petn-randall, I just want to update
my glibc because I want to use android NDK like the book I read from
1276 [15:24:42] <HardlyHardware> petn-randall: I think i'll
have to go Non free first then get a libre card later on.
1277 [15:24:59] <HardlyHardware> Kinda doesn't make much
sense to get the libre card for a laptop with a cracked screen
1278 [15:25:41] <HardlyHardware> Cracked Glass screen. LCD is fine
1279 [15:26:08] <n4dir> superlinux: i am not familiar with android
NDK, but perhaps a debian-testing chroot will do that job, and else
you can keep stable ?
1280 [15:26:15] <superlinux> I mean like what the book says.. It
uses ubuntu ( i know the difference of course) but the glibc used is
2.7 . debian uses older 2.24
1281 [15:26:19] <HardlyHardware> Be nice to get Full Libre
support.... short of replacing the BIOS of course
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1283 [15:27:01] <nyov> superlinux: why would you need a newer
glibc for NDK?
1284 [15:27:22] <nyov> don't you have to compile it anyway
1285 [15:27:23] <superlinux> I don't know.. this is what the
book says
1286 [15:27:38] <jelly> superlinux: 2.7 is smaller than 2.24
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1288 [15:28:17] <nyov> ,i google-android-ndk-installer
1289 [15:28:18] <judd> Package google-android-ndk-installer
(contrib/devel, optional) in stretch/amd64: Google Android Native
Development Kit (NDK) Installer. Version: 12.b+1; Size: 4.2k;
Installed: 27k; Homepage:
replaced-url
1290 [15:28:24] <jelly> superlinux:
replaced-url
1291 [15:29:54] <superlinux> Ah! I thought, jelly, it's other
way around . hehe!
1292 [15:30:03] <superlinux> my bad
1293 [15:30:10] <jelly> 2 = 2, 7 < 24
1294 [15:30:24] <superlinux> looks like i am tired now
1295 [15:30:26] <superlinux> :)
1296 [15:30:54] <petn-randall> HardlyHardware: It's a nice
idea, but impossible on x86 hardware.
1297 [15:31:08] <superlinux> it's my leave time. thanks
fellows
1298 [15:31:11] <superlinux> bye
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1300 [15:31:22] <HardlyHardware> petn-randall: Nothing's full
libre though is it?
1301 [15:31:28] <HardlyHardware> ARM's not full Libre
1302 [15:31:39] <petn-randall> HardlyHardware: You could get full
libre software on ARM.
1303 [15:32:00] <HardlyHardware> Really?
1304 [15:32:06] <jelly> _software_
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1306 [15:32:33] <jelly> not necessarily firmware
1307 [15:32:34] <nyov> does depend on the ARM machine, no? one bad
chip (like wifi) and it's over again
1308 [15:32:41] <nyov> oh okay
1309 [15:32:58] <jelly> or buy that $3000 risc-v board
1310 [15:33:14] <HardlyHardware> $3000 :O
1311 [15:33:54] <jelly> freedom costs.
1312 [15:35:00] <jelly> oh sorry, there's a fpga that can
only be programmed using non-free tools
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1320 [15:45:39] <n4dir> the machines listed at gnu.org
"recommended complete systems" can not be considered fully
free?
1321 [15:46:22] <colo-work> probably not really; there's
non-free firmware in _everything_
1322 [15:46:37] <n4dir> i mainly think of graphic cards and
wireless network cars, else i have to use the machines i get for
free anyway.
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1324 [15:47:58] <n4dir> as i understand that site lists such, but
i don't care enough about the subject (for said reason).
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1335 [16:01:31] <pingfloyd> colo-work: "These distros are
ready-to-use full systems whose developers have made a commitment to
follow the Guidelines for Free System Distributions. This means they
will include, and propose, exclusively free software. They will
reject nonfree applications, nonfree programming platforms, nonfree
drivers, *** nonfree firmware “blobs” ***, nonfree
games, and any other nonfree software, as well as nonfree
1336 [16:01:32] <pingfloyd> manuals or documentation."
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1338 [16:03:54] <colo-work> pingfloyd, that's certainly true,
but anyone who sells you a complete PC-like system will also sell
you, tightly packaged with it, some form of obscure BLOB. it may
hide in the CPU (microcode), or in the storage medium (host
interface controller firmware), or somewhere else - but it most
definitely will be there.
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1340 [16:05:16] <themill> pingfloyd: it's also the hardware
page not the distro page that is being discussed.
replaced-url
1341 [16:06:05] <themill> (and take the very first entry there,
has a Core 2 Duo P8400 processor in it that needs non-free microcode
from Intel)
1342 [16:07:43] <aaii> Whats best Internet download manager for
debian?
1343 [16:08:08] <aaii> *Best -> Fastest
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1346 [16:08:59] <nemo> aaii: huh. people still use those?
1347 [16:09:15] <nemo> aaii: kinda figured most folks just rely on
browser builtin download management, or maybe an extension like
DownThemAll for pros
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1349 [16:10:03] <nemo> aaii: I guess the key feature for you is
splitting and simultaneous fetch eh
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1351 [16:10:22] <nemo> aaii: as usual "fastest" at that
point is a balance between your connection and # of simultaneous the
remote site allows
1352 [16:10:25] <nemo> without banning 😉
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1354 [16:11:25] <nemo> aaii: anyway. that was a blast from past.
totally forgot about those things. no idea about your question
though.
1355 [16:11:29] <nemo> aaii:
replaced-url
1356 [16:11:56] <Habbie> down the mall!
1357 [16:12:36] <nemo> happening all over the country thanks to
amazon
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1359 [16:14:22] <aaii> nemo, What a LONG ANSWER :D thanks , i just
want download file but faster than download mager on chromiom
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1362 [16:18:40] <nyov> 1. curl
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1364 [16:18:41] <nyov> 2. wget
1365 [16:18:42] <nemo> aaii: ah. haven't used chrome in ages.
but yeah speeding up download is *USUALLY* done by abusing the
remote server - that is, remote server is probably rate limited
based on all the other users so download managers are mostly just
"cheating" by pretending to be like 4 or 10 or 20 users
1366 [16:19:02] <nemo> nyov: both of those can totally emulate a
download manager with a small amount of scripting - someone might
have even written a shellscript for it
1367 [16:19:20] <nemo> but yeah, download managers are kinda
anti-social behaviour and do risk bans if done aggressively or if
remote site is just paying attention
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1370 [16:19:47] <jelly> aaii: a single file? lftp supports
parallel connections for http and ftp.
1371 [16:20:31] <nyov> lftp friggin sucks :( i hate that
fork-to-background behaviour
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1373 [16:20:49] <nyov> ah. ignore me
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1376 [16:21:16] <jelly> sorry, I can't afford to ignore, what
with being an op
1377 [16:21:16] <aaii> jelly, sometimes yeah
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1386 [16:23:43] <n4dir> uget, kget and steadyflow are listed on a
german site ( some others too, but i didn't find them in the
debian repos). aaii
1387 [16:24:17] <jelly> never heard about any of those, let alone
used
1388 [16:24:17] <aaii> n4dir, thanks but which faster?
1389 [16:24:41] <n4dir> no clue. sorry. But you got some
searchterms (well: i hope)
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1391 [16:26:48] <n4dir> aria2 is mentioned too, also in the debian
repos.
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1394 [16:29:29] <aaii> well i install uget now :)
1395 [16:29:44] <muAdmDev> if someone remembers my problem
"cronjob arbitrarily not running". update: updated the
kernel, rebooted, problem still exists :( now running cron in
foreground "cron -f -L 15". but not seeing more (helpful)
info
1396 [16:30:14] <greycat> Check the logs. /var/log/syslog should
have CRON stuff.
1397 [16:30:28] <nyov> muAdmDev: does it not tell you when it
skips a job?
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1399 [16:31:02] <nyov> I assume it logs to stdout then
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1402 [16:31:47] <greycat> If the job is being executed at all, you
should get a line in /var/log/syslog (unless you changed the logging
configs).
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1405 [16:32:18] <greycat> If it's being executed, but
"nothing happens", then you will need to dig further into
it. If the command is a shell script, usually turning on set -x will
be helful.
1406 [16:33:27] <muAdmDev> nyov: since running in foreground my
test cronjob (every minute) has not bin skipped, for now.
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1408 [16:34:26] <muAdmDev> greycat: it's just not executed
I'd say. if it's executed I see "CRON[2833]: (root)
CMD..." and "CRON[2833]: (root) END..." in cron.log
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1410 [16:35:02] <greycat> You have a separate cron.log file? OK.
That's fine.
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1412 [16:35:10] <muAdmDev> greycat: those entries are just missing
every now and then
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1414 [16:36:24] <greycat> Which version of Debian is this? What
does your failing cron entry look like, and *where* is it?
1415 [16:41:44] <muAdmDev> greycat: 9.5 - 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP
Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u4 (2018-08-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux. crontab-line:
"* * * * * /root/crons/testCronTouchEveryMin.sh >>
/var/log/testCron.log 2>> /var/log/testCron.stderr"
1416 [16:42:03] <greycat> Is this in /etc/crontab, or in
"crontab -e"?
1417 [16:42:15] <petn-randall> muAdmDev: Is this running on
virtualization of some sort?
1418 [16:42:33] <muAdmDev> greycat: content:
replaced-url
1419 [16:42:49] <muAdmDev> greycat: crontab -e
1420 [16:43:09] <muAdmDev> petn-randall: physical and no
"time problems" afaik
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1422 [16:45:44] <greycat> What are you seeing in the logs? What
are you seeing in whatever email box root's email is being
forwarded to?
1423 [16:47:12] <muAdmDev> greycat: the only (maybe) suspicious
stuff is in auth.log. there are sessions opened for user
"root" but not all of them are closed, when the cronjob
did not run
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1425 [16:47:28] <greycat> Are you saying it *sometimes* run?
1426 [16:47:55] <muAdmDev> greycat: further there are always
LDAP-Queries when a cronjob is run (even though those are local
users, afaik this is normal behavior?)
1427 [16:48:20] <SerajewelKS> muAdmDev: without specific extra
config, every user login is checked against LDAP first
1428 [16:48:38] <SerajewelKS> there's a mechanism to specify
which users to skip LDAP lookups for
1429 [16:48:40] <muAdmDev> greycat: most of the time it runs. in 1
hour it fails about 4-6 times (should run every minute)
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1431 [16:48:47] <petn-randall> greycat: The issue muAdmDev is
having is that a cron job set to run every minute skips 5-6 times an
hour, and they haven't found out why, yet. The job itself
shouldn't run longer than a second.
1432 [16:49:25] <muAdmDev> SerajewelKS: you mean
"nss_initgroups_ignoreusers" in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf?
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1434 [16:49:31] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: Pretty sure you need
specific extra config to check against ldap.
1435 [16:50:01] <muAdmDev> petn-randall: it's a mixed env
with local and LDAP-Users
1436 [16:50:06] <SerajewelKS> petn-randall: yes, i'm assuming
since he mentioned LDAP queries "even though those are local
users" means that he is using pam-ldap / nss-ldap
1437 [16:50:41] <SerajewelKS> muAdmDev: not just that file, IIRC
you also need the same line in the pam-ldap and nss-ldap config
files
1438 [16:50:42] <petn-randall> Ah, ok. Didn't know LDAP was
set up.
1439 [16:51:25] <SerajewelKS> muAdmDev: if "getent passwd
root" for example causes an ldap query when you don't want
it to, then the option is not correctly configured, or not in the
correct config file
1440 [16:51:49] <muAdmDev> SerajewelKS: great, will check tha
1441 [16:51:52] <muAdmDev> t
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1445 [16:54:40] <SerajewelKS> muAdmDev: getent uses nss, so it
would be the libnss-ldap config file. if you get a redundant query
during authentication, that would be the pam-ldap config file.
1446 [16:55:02] <n_1-c_k> As a renter of a "virtual private
server" is there any point installing intel-microcode?
1447 [16:55:19] <muAdmDev> SerajewelKS: /etc/pam_ldap.conf also
contains "nss_initgroups_ignoreusers". had to put it in
"/etc/libnss-ldap.conf" though
1448 [16:55:29] <SerajewelKS> muAdmDev: (TBH i've never seen
a need for libnss-ldap.conf and pam_ldap.conf to actually be
different. i have them symlinked to each other!)
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1450 [16:55:45] <SerajewelKS> well not to each other.. that would
be a loop... but you know what i mean
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1452 [16:56:19] <SerajewelKS> n_1-c_k: if the server is indeed
virtual, then no. you shouldn't even have the ability to update
microcode on the physical host CPU.
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1454 [16:56:36] <SerajewelKS> that would be a rather gaping
security vulnerability
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1457 [16:57:16] <n_1-c_k> SerajewelKS: thanks. Wanted to make sure
the answer wasn't "Sure you should, everyone does
that!"
1458 [16:58:02] <muAdmDev> SerajewelKS: "getent passwd
root" does not trigger an LDAP-query (anymore)
1459 [16:58:44] <SerajewelKS> muAdmDev: nice
1460 [16:59:51] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: IIRC they microcode is
signed, and the CPU checks the signature.
1461 [17:00:17] <SerajewelKS> even still, you don't really
want one guest doing a microcode upgrade on your infrastructure
before you have the ability to test or anything
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1463 [17:00:44] <muAdmDev> SerajewelKS: but everytime before the
cronjob is run "slapd[869]: conn=1154 fd=37 ACCEPT from
PATH=/var/run/slapd/ldapi (PATH=/var/run/slapd/ldapi)" ...
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1468 [17:01:15] <SerajewelKS> muAdmDev: you may need to restart
nscd
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1470 [17:02:10] <SerajewelKS> (on the LDAP client, not the server)
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1472 [17:04:58] <muAdmDev> SerajewelKS: slapd is a local replica
of the ldap-master. restarted nscd, still got those queries to the
local slapd before every cronjob is run
1473 [17:05:06] <SerajewelKS> hmm
1474 [17:05:26] <SerajewelKS> it might be because of lines that
invoke ldap plugins under /etc/pam.d
1475 [17:05:39] <SerajewelKS> though the pam_ldap.conf ignore line
should take care of that...
1476 [17:05:50] <SerajewelKS> you're wading into waters
i'm not that familiar with so i may not be able to help much
anymore
1477 [17:06:30] <muAdmDev> SerajewelKS: thx so far, so I should
investigate the ldap-config now, because it may be the reason for
the crons to not run?
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1482 [17:08:54] <SerajewelKS> muAdmDev: i'd only suspect that
if you see errors where the client can't connect to the server
1483 [17:09:22] <SerajewelKS> but even still, that shouldn't
cause failure. only delays until pam gives up trying ldap.
1484 [17:09:48] <SerajewelKS> if pam can't talk to ldap the
login doesn't fail (necessarily) it just acts like there are no
ldap users. so if the user is local, all it could possibly do is
delay the authentication attempt.
1485 [17:09:49] <muAdmDev> SerajewelKS: I don't see any
errors anywhere
1486 [17:10:05] <SerajewelKS> i suppose if it delays by over a
minute, that could result in the skips you're seeing though
1487 [17:10:14] <muAdmDev> SerajewelKS: I just see that my cronjob
is sometimes not run :(
1488 [17:10:37] <SerajewelKS> but since you have an on-host ldap
replica, connection/query errors seem unlikely
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1493 [17:12:25] <SerajewelKS> if it won't cause any other
issues you could disable ldap auth and see if that fixes it
1494 [17:12:39] <SerajewelKS> of course that depends on you not
requiring ldap auth for awhile
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1536 [17:54:52] * dpkg eats foo and falls over dead, courtesy of rootkea
1537 [17:55:05] * dpkg keeps mailing rootkea free America Online CDs
until he drowns, courtesy of rootkea
1538 [17:55:17] <annadane> uh...
1539 [17:55:24] <rootkea> Oops sorry.
1540 [17:56:11] <rootkea> I privately messaged dpkg. Didn't
know it'll end up here.
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1542 [17:56:33] <petn-randall> Really depends on what you're
sending the bot. :)
1543 [17:57:28] <rootkea> petn-randall, It was lart. But now I
wonder what other commands I should refrain from using in dpkg pm
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1569 [18:12:15] * dpkg acting on orders from an unspecified client drags
rootkea into court suing for $200 million, courtesy of petn-randall
1570 [18:13:17] <petn-randall> You do have to pass the channel as
parameter, it's "lart <channel> <user>",
so it comes at no surprise that it'll show up on a channel.
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1572 [18:13:39] <petn-randall> rootkea: I offer you to settle this
out of court for $100 million. ;)
1573 [18:14:38] <rootkea> petn-randall, Thanks you for explaining.
:) I take this to mean that any command which doesn't has
channel name as a param in dpkg pm will not leak to #debian ;)
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1585 [18:18:04] <petn-randall> rootkea: I'd assume so, yes.
We have a very small amount of commands that would leak into a
channel. lart and maybe !tell, I can't think of others right
now.
1586 [18:18:39] <fr0xk> Regarding bug=847937, I created a
"/debian" directory for wished package
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1588 [18:19:13] * rootkea runs to toy with all sorts of dpkg commands in
pm
1589 [18:19:16] <fr0xk> Anybody wishing to take maintainership of
that package, feel free to mail me up
1590 [18:19:33] <fr0xk>
replaced-url
1591 [18:19:34] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1595 [18:23:36] <bewantbe> Is Thunderbird (the Lightening
extension) problem related in this channel?
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1604 [18:26:03] <rootkea> bewantbe, if you are using TB on Debian
then I suppose it's on topic.
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1611 [18:40:34] <bewantbe> rootkea, yeah, I'm using Debian,
and TB is installed through official repo.
1612 [18:41:00] <rootkea> bewantbe, Then please just state the
issue.
1613 [18:41:37] <bewantbe> The problem is in the add-ons page, it
says "lightning is incompatible with thunderbird 60.0.
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1615 [18:42:38] <bewantbe> lightning version 5.4. sure it is not
compatible. But how to safely (no lost of data) move to newer
version of lightning?
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1619 [18:43:24] <jelly> maybe just install the webextension build
and configure it?
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1621 [18:43:51] <petn-randall> bewantbe: It's a known issue,
since thunderbird was upgraded from 52 to 60 to fix security issues,
several extensions broke. Another example is enigmail.
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1628 [18:45:18] <bites> enigmail broke? seems to work for me.
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1630 [18:46:19] <bites> oh, you mean the debian package?
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1635 [18:47:40] <zumba_addict> any ipcalc gui recommendation?
I'm looking for an software that also calculates cidr
1636 [18:47:47] <jelly> not only is it a known issue, it was an
issue that packaging team for mozilla software should have known in
advance
1637 [18:48:07] <bewantbe> petn-randall, any workaround?
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1640 [18:52:37] <petn-randall> jelly: I agree, and I am also
annoyed that the bug report, which was filed well in advance is just
sitting there.
1641 [18:52:59] <petn-randall> bewantbe: You can uninstall the
package, and just install the extension via mozilla.
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1644 [18:53:46] <petn-randall> bewantbe: Tools → Addons
→ Extensions, then search for it.
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1647 [18:54:46] <bewantbe> That page says the add-on is not
compatible with my version of TB.
1648 [18:55:28] <bewantbe> Or should I uninstall first, and the
search result will be different? petn-randall
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1650 [18:56:23] <petn-randall> bewantbe: It's referring to
the installed version, which is incompatible, yes.
1651 [18:56:34] <petn-randall> bewantbe: Remove the package, then
search for it, as I said.
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1655 [18:58:59] <bewantbe> petn-randall, Oh thank you, it
solved----by merely uninstall the old one, the new one is already
installed (and in effect after restart TB).
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1683 [19:29:37] <pldiem1> I am still fighting with an external
monitor, does anyone know why xrandr might not list my ports (HDMI,
miniDP)?
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1685 [19:30:04] <SerajewelKS> pldiem1: maybe X isn't using
the right driver, or the driver doesn't support it?
1686 [19:30:44] <pldiem1> do you know how can I check that? or how
to switch driver?
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1690 [19:32:07] <rant> pldiem1: xdriinfo
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1692 [19:32:35] <rant> pldiem1: switching driver requires install
of another and removal of the one you dont want or making an xorg
config and restarting xorg
1693 [19:32:36] <pldiem1> Screen 0: i965
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1695 [19:32:42] <rant> same thing mine says
1696 [19:32:58] <pldiem1> do you use external monitor?
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1698 [19:33:29] <rant> I have the Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4300U CPU @
1.90GHz 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation
Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b)
1699 [19:33:37] <rant> and I'm using the built in screen
1700 [19:33:50] <rant> I have a mini dp to hdmi adapter and a tv,
but I havent tested it yet
1701 [19:33:51] <greycat> Hmm, dpkg doesn't know what an i965
is yet?
1702 [19:35:08] <pldiem1> greycat: is that a question?
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1704 [19:35:18] <greycat> 13:33 ->[dpkg] msgi965
1705 [19:35:19] <greycat> 13:33 <-dpkg[~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg]
are you using Windows?, greycat
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1707 [19:36:27] <greycat> Is your i965 chipset actually supported
in stretch? Which CPU/GPU is it exactly? (lspci -nn)
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1709 [19:37:07] <rant> pldiem1: (lscpu | grep Model\ ; lspci -nn |
grep VGA) | tr '\n' ' '
1710 [19:37:40] <rant> mine works fine in stretch and I
haven't configured anything
1711 [19:38:48] <pldiem1> lspci -nn | grep VGA
1712 [19:38:56] <pldiem1> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller
[0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:3e9b]
1713 [19:38:56] <pldiem1> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller
[0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GP107M [GeForce GTX 1050 Mobile]
[10de:1c8d] (rev a1)
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1715 [19:39:07] <greycat> !optimus
1716 [19:39:08] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide
support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux
systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are
Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep
'\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the
laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and
<wheezy-backports>.
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1717 [19:39:08] <rant> ah.. you have optimus apparently
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1719 [19:39:23] <rant> mine is just plain ol intel
1720 [19:39:38] <greycat> And that's where my knowledge ends.
1721 [19:39:52] <pldiem1> yes, but I don't care about nvidia,
I just want my laptop to work with an external monitor :)
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1724 [19:40:24] <SerajewelKS> good luck with bumblebee. a coworker
has an optimus laptop and ended up getting rid of it after a few
months because he could never get the GPU switching to actually work
right.
1725 [19:40:28] <rant> then you probably want to compeletely
disable the nvidia and just use the intel
1726 [19:40:46] <pldiem1> but how can I do that
1727 [19:40:56] <greycat> I'd start with what's on the
wiki page.
1728 [19:41:09] <pldiem1> without the nvidia-driver, my laptop was
freezing after logging in
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1731 [19:41:33] <rant> pldiem1:
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1733 [19:42:00] <rant> pldiem1: one way suggested is in the BIOS
if your system has such an option, the other method below that is
doing it in xorg using xrandr and scripts
1734 [19:42:17] <rant> I never used optimus so I have no
experience there..
1735 [19:42:23] <pldiem1> I have seen no such option in BIOS
1736 [19:43:57] <rant> the wiki there only shows how to enable
nvidia only.. but I've seen other guides on how to disable
nvidia and use only intel.. but they seemed more involved than this
1737 [19:44:24] <jhutchins_wk> It's funny how this channel
gets "runs" on certain topics. It would be interesting to
be able to analyze the traffic and pick out the "topic of the
week".
1738 [19:44:27] <pldiem1> it can be nvidia only
1739 [19:44:37] <nyov> which is what he actually wants. because
the external output is not on the Intel chip
1740 [19:44:39] <pldiem1> I just want it to work
1741 [19:44:43] <jhutchins_wk> Optimus/Bumblebee seems to be this
week's TOTW.
1742 [19:45:06] <pldiem1> nyov: someone on nvidia channel wrote
that it is otherwise
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1744 [19:45:37] <rant> I'd think the intel would be the main
controller as its in the cpu
1745 [19:45:58] <rant> but I have no experience with it so I
really dont know
1746 [19:46:07] <nyov> pldiem1: what did he say about `xrandr` not
detecting them?
1747 [19:47:20] <pldiem1> he didn't continue on the topic,
there was nothing new on the channel since then :/
1748 [19:48:12] <nyov> well. we went through this, even had the
bumblebee wiki page in front of you. let me fetch that again
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1752 [19:48:44] <nyov>
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1754 [19:49:40] <nyov> ^ this is what you want, I believe
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1760 [19:53:20] <pldiem1> I just did Dynamic Graphics Disabled -
xrandr and Display Manager Scripts
1761 [19:53:33] <pldiem1> now screen is blinking
1762 [19:53:43] <pldiem1> switching between desktop and terminal
1763 [19:53:46] <pldiem1> :(
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1767 [19:54:32] <nyov> did you replace the BusID
"PCI:X:Y:Z" with your "01:00.0" nvidia card?
1768 [19:54:49] <pldiem1> I cannot log in, I did with 1:0:0
1769 [19:54:58] <pldiem1> isn't that the same?
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1771 [19:55:07] <nyov> not quite
1772 [19:55:17] <pldiem1> ok, so I will fix it
1773 [19:55:47] <nyov> nevermind. it's correct for xorg
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1777 [19:56:44] <nyov> you'll possibly have to rip out
bumblebee again for this though
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1780 [19:57:26] <pldiem1> apt-get remove?
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1782 [19:58:41] <nyov> as I have no clue, I can only quote the
wiki on this. "If you want to keep bumblebee and have desktop
on external monitor, you can do it killing bumblebee, setting your
nvidia graphic card on (/proc/acpi/bbswitch)"
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1787 [20:03:00] <pldiem1> eh
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1795 [20:06:37] <Arahael> What's the best for graphics these
days? It seems that when it comes to onboard graphics, it's
either Intel or AMD graphics .
1796 [20:06:43] <Arahael> What's Intel Graphics like?
1797 [20:06:46] <greycat> Depends on what you want to do.
1798 [20:07:15] <Arahael> greycat: Play with composting, possibly
wayland, and experiment with graphics api's and opengl,
possibly. But as a dev, not as a gamer.
1799 [20:07:24] <greycat> heh, composting
1800 [20:07:38] <Arahael> greycat: I also have a worm farm.
1801 [20:08:36] <Arahael> greycat: Basically I want reliable and
dependable, and a non-frustrating dev experience.
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1803 [20:09:55] <Arahael> I haven't really looked at the
hardware market for a decade. Back then, the best was NVidia, as ATI
drivers were horrible. I hear it's totally different today.
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1807 [20:13:27] <SerajewelKS> things have changed. back when i was
getting into linux, video and wifi drivers were garbage. nowadays i
have more audio issues than anything else.
1808 [20:13:31] <SerajewelKS> (thanks pulse)
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1811 [20:14:58] <greycat> The only audio issue I have is I keep
picking players that go stagnant.
1812 [20:15:19] <greycat> xmms2 *still* doesn't have an Opus
driver? Really?
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1817 [20:17:23] <Arahael> I used to use a linux desktop system
about 5 years ago. (An ancient Atom shuttlePC). But when I started
dating, I realised that girls get quite unimpressed when you take
them home to watch a movie, and there is NO SOUND!
1818 [20:17:31] * Arahael is deaf, that's probably important to the
story. ;)
1819 [20:17:42] <Arahael> I bought speakers the next day.
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1823 [20:22:16] <SerajewelKS> greycat: that's why i like
players with a shared framework like gstreamer
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1825 [20:22:40] <jhutchins_wk> Arahael: Intel's pretty
rock-solid, but the newer chipsets can take a while to get drivers.
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1827 [20:23:34] <Arahael> jhutchins_wk: So I should google the
specific intel chipsets for driver compatibility, then.
1828 [20:24:20] <greycat> Are you evaluating hardware for
purchase, or do you already have a machine?
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1833 [20:27:31] <SerajewelKS> i've asked this before but
never really got a response. are there any pitfalls building a RAID1
out of (a 6TB drive + a RAID0(3TB drive + 3TB drive)) as opposed to
a RAID1 over two 6TB drives?
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1835 [20:27:53] <SerajewelKS> not in terms of building the array,
that i can do just fine. operational problems.
1836 [20:28:00] <SerajewelKS> is this a sane thing to do?
1837 [20:28:15] <Arahael> greycat: Dreaming, really. Not yet
permitted to buy it.
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1839 [20:28:41] <Arahael> greycat: I currently have an ancient
Atom system, and a RPi 3B+, and a 2015 MBP which I use for most of
my computing.
1840 [20:28:58] <greycat> With Linux, and especially with Debian,
make sure you get hardware that's been on the market for at
least a year or two. Bleeding edge is the worst for Linux.
1841 [20:29:39] <Arahael> greycat: I intend to go budget, so most
of the offerings are unlikely to be that new, I think.
1842 [20:29:46] <kirk781> Arahael, Nobody can spy you on Linux.
Because webcam drivers don't work.
1843 [20:30:00] <kirk781> My BT headphones don't work on
either Debian or Solus.
1844 [20:30:22] <Arahael> kirk781: A decade ago when I used linux
as my primary desktop, webcam worked fine.
1845 [20:30:39] <SerajewelKS> after awhile, we get our shit
together and fix the broken stuff
1846 [20:30:47] <kirk781> Arahael, it's an old meme at this
point. A lot of things work out of the box now.
1847 [20:30:53] <SerajewelKS> then someone comes along (usually
poettering) and decides it needs to be broken again
1848 [20:31:07] <kirk781> My internet dongle connected
automatically via Ubuntu when it needs a separate software for
Windows.
1849 [20:31:15] <Arahael> I'm a bit of an old hat with linux,
actually - but have been out of the game for desktop. I'd been
delegating linux to the server for a while.
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1852 [20:31:30] <kirk781> Arahael, don't the girls get
impressed on seeing that gorgeous KDE desktop running on Arch?
1853 [20:31:51] <annadane> by the way, i use arch l- where'd
everybody go?
1854 [20:31:52] <Arahael> kirk781: Well, I neglected to hook up a
speaker, they weren't impressed with the movies!
1855 [20:32:04] <Arahael> G'night!
1856 [20:32:07] <SerajewelKS> i run linux at work and windows at
home. there's just too many good games that are
windows-exclusive, and i mostly use my home computer for gaming.
sometimes reality is sub-optimal.
1857 [20:32:30] <kirk781> SerajewelKS, how is Steam coming up in
Linux?
1858 [20:32:56] <SerajewelKS> younger me made ideological stands
and refused to use windows. present-day me isn't going to deny
myself fun to be ideologically pure.
1859 [20:33:01] <SerajewelKS> kirk781: it's getting there
1860 [20:33:26] <SerajewelKS> i actually play a decent amount of
games on linux. but there's a lot of non-steam games that i
don't have the option for. and wine isn't a workable
solution most of the time.
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1862 [20:33:38] <Nekojimi> Tbh, I'm gaming on Linux and I
honestly think that like 90% of my games work fine under Linux, in
some form :P
1863 [20:33:39] <kirk781> SerajewelKS, RMS is ideologically pure.
And he has to make lots of sacrifices to maintain that position;
many linux distroes now contain non free software
1864 [20:33:46] <Nekojimi> But my view might not be representative
1865 [20:33:51] <annadane> rms is also right 99% of the time
1866 [20:34:00] <kirk781> NVidia behaves terribly with Linux. A
lot of problems with their drivers, I guess
1867 [20:34:11] <kirk781> annadane, r/Stallmanwasright
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1869 [20:34:22] <SerajewelKS> kirk781: i respect him and share a
lot of his views but i also have shit to do, a full time job, a
family, and i don't have time to dick around with wine when i
want to unwind and play some overwatch so...
1870 [20:34:31] <annadane> well, nvidia doesn't really share
secrets so nouveau has to scrap together what they can
1871 [20:34:35] <SerajewelKS> in college i had time to dick around
with wine. and i did.
1872 [20:34:44] <Nekojimi> I'm finding that WINE is working
really well these days :P
1873 [20:34:52] <Nekojimi> Lutris is a godsend I swear
1874 [20:35:06] <kirk781> I have never used Wine; Linux now
supports more softwares than ever.
1875 [20:35:21] <SerajewelKS> kirk781: actually i use nvidia and
it generally works great on linux
1876 [20:35:25] <SerajewelKS> as long as the machine never goes to
sleep
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1878 [20:35:31] <kirk781> SerajewelKS, lol
1879 [20:35:44] <kirk781> What DE do you prefer, SerajewelKS ?
1880 [20:35:53] <annadane> psst, #debian-offtopic
1881 [20:36:03] <annadane> not to be that person but
1882 [20:36:21] <SerajewelKS> i like both LXDE and XFCE, though i
don't like their window managers
1883 [20:36:45] <kirk781> Ah yes, this is the Debian channel[which
reminds me of my bricked Debian installation]
1884 [20:36:56] <SerajewelKS> i prefer tiling, but at the same
time a lot of the software that i wind up having to use really
misbehaves with a tiling manager
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1886 [20:37:23] <Nekojimi> I'm still not really sure what a
tiling WM eve does :P
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1888 [20:37:39] <SerajewelKS> spend a few minutes with one and
you'll never want to use anything else
1889 [20:37:52] <SerajewelKS> then start using it and be sad about
the software that doesn't work well with it
1890 [20:38:07] <annadane> it allows you to not use your mouse
much making navigation quicker and for those who like it you can put
windows side by side
1891 [20:38:10] <kirk781> r/unixporn is full of people using
tiling WMs
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1894 [20:38:29] <Nekojimi> But I like using the mouse :P
1895 [20:38:34] <SerajewelKS> Nekojimi: basically it auto-arranges
your windows for you
1896 [20:38:43] <kirk781> I wonder if I should give tiling WM a
try. Wondering if Solus's repos have anything else except for
Budgie
1897 [20:38:45] <SerajewelKS> so you're not spending time
dragging and resizing and bullshit like that
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1899 [20:39:09] <Nekojimi> I'm terrible and just run
everything maximised most of the time <.<
1900 [20:39:18] <SerajewelKS> Nekojimi: it has a mode for that too
:P
1901 [20:39:57] <Nekojimi> Because I find that a lot of windows
aren't very useful when they don't take up a full screen
:P
1902 [20:40:08] <Nekojimi> Discord is one, which annoys me
1903 [20:40:09] <annadane> i'm currently on i3, it's
fine
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1905 [20:41:06] <kirk781> Discord is just a bloated electron
wrapper. Reminds me of Riot, a matrix client that's even more
bloated
1906 [20:41:15] <SerajewelKS> Nekojimi: this is a little demo i
threw together awhile ago for a friend
1907 [20:41:18] <SerajewelKS> Nekojimi:
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1909 [20:41:31] <Nekojimi> Yeah, but it's not Skype :P
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1911 [20:43:15] <SerajewelKS> the discord electron app is
unnecessary unless you need global push-to-talk
1912 [20:43:18] <SerajewelKS> (which i do)
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1914 [20:43:44] <kirk781> I have Discord pinned onto my taskbar
but I don't open it much.
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1927 [20:51:44] <lobata> discord sucks
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1931 [20:54:21] <ntd> yeah, don't get the appeal either
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1935 [20:56:39] <nyov> did anyone ever read the ToS of discord?
1936 [20:56:52] <nyov> I can't believe how anyone would agree
to that
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1938 [20:57:35] <r00trunner> i try to compile an ARM64 kernel from
my debian x86 host. Make tells me, that I have unmet build
dependency libssl-dev. However, the package is installed. Any ideas?
1939 [20:58:09] <jezebel> installed for which architecture?
1940 [20:58:38] <r00trunner> I simply installed it via apt install
libssl-dev on my x86 host
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1942 [20:59:00] <r00trunner> Make says: dpkg-checkbuilddeps:
error: Unmet build dependencies: libssl-dev
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1944 [20:59:48] <jezebel> stab in the dark, you installed it for
x86, you're cross compiling for arm64, maybe you need the arm64
lib
1945 [20:59:49] <SerajewelKS> r00trunner: you probably need the
arm64 package
1946 [21:00:31] <annadane> er, is there a way to get firefox-esr
to display your addons in the top right corner? i can drag for
example https everywhere there but ublock origin doesn't show
up in the customize page
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1948 [21:00:53] <jezebel> you'll need to install
libssl-dev:arm64, you need to enable multiarch
1949 [21:01:52] <annadane> oh never mind there it is
1950 [21:01:54] <annadane> i just can't read
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1953 [21:02:38] <annadane> an increasingly common afliction...
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1955 [21:03:36] * rant gets annadane hooked on phonics
1956 [21:04:02] <ntd> nyov, yeah. my first questions when told
about the service was over the TOS
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1958 [21:04:25] <SerajewelKS> TOS doesn't bother me because i
have a backup mumble server
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1960 [21:04:57] <r00trunner> It works, thanks a ton guys.
1961 [21:05:05] <nyov> ntd: yeah, I mean they literally shouted at
you that all voice+text data would be analyzed and sold to 3rd
parties
1962 [21:05:06] <SerajewelKS> discord is more convenient, but
i'm not dependent on it
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1964 [21:06:00] <nyov> nothing's free of course, so it's
not unexpected or anything
1965 [21:06:10] <ntd> nyov, i was about to bash one users head in
when i figured out he was using the "pushless talk"
feature with a colleague while we were having the discussion
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1967 [21:06:25] <nyov> ntd: ....
1968 [21:06:34] <lobata> cool, gives me a reason to uninstall it
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1971 [21:07:05] <ntd> that's bugging the room in my book
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1973 [21:07:55] <rant> could be worse.. you could be agreeing to
have your lips sewn to the ...
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1975 [21:08:36] <Antoine-> Hello, I am setting up a vpn connection
(client) using openvpn. When a connection comes in, I would like it
come out through the VPN if it came throught the VPN or through the
default route if it came through the default route. I currently have
"redirect-gateway def1" in my .ovpn file. How should I
proceed?
1976 [21:08:43] <ntd> human centipedes? no, that's facebook
users
1977 [21:08:51] <nyov> I'm just super curious how they always
manage to hype these services so amazingly
1978 [21:09:14] <SerajewelKS> Antoine-: i'd need a more
specific explanation of what you want to do, but you can set up
multiple routing tables on linux
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1980 [21:09:52] <ntd> Antoine-, "redirect-gateway def1"
will fuck up any attempt at multiple routing tables
1981 [21:09:54] <debron> hello guys. I added a rule in iptables to
drop all packet from an IP that is trying ssh by brute force. But in
auth.log I still see his attempts. the rule I added was: -A INPUT -s
(the ip) -j DROP
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1983 [21:10:12] <ntd> use tls-client instead of client, set routes
manually
1984 [21:10:17] <SerajewelKS> debron: show us "iptables
-nvL"
1985 [21:10:21] <debron> why is he still allowed to attempt login
through ssh?
1986 [21:10:24] <SerajewelKS> debron: there is probably a prior
rule that is permitting the connection
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1988 [21:10:39] <debron> okay thanks
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1990 [21:11:17] <nyov> (also, you could use `ipset` to create a
blacklist and reference that instead)
1991 [21:11:40] <Antoine-> SerajewelKS: ntd: My ISP is blocking
port 25 so I got a VPN that offers me a static IP address and the
port 25. I do not want to use the VPN all the time as it is a lot
slower than what my ISP offers.
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1993 [21:11:48] <ntd> good
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1996 [21:12:07] <ntd> then tls-client is your ticket
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1998 [21:12:45] <SerajewelKS> Antoine-: what process is using port
25?
1999 [21:12:49] <SerajewelKS> are you running an MTA?
2000 [21:12:56] <Antoine-> Yes
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2003 [21:14:11] <debron> SerajewelKS:
replaced-url
2004 [21:14:14] <Antoine-> I thought I could set my DNS records to
reach my router on my ISP IP and my MX record to the VPN that my
home server is connected to.
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2006 [21:15:30] <ntd> def1 will force all traffic to go over the
vpn link
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2008 [21:16:05] <ntd> change "client" in the .ovpn to
"tls-client", no need to pull any routes in your case
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2011 [21:16:25] <SerajewelKS> debron: right so there's an
ACCEPT being reached before it makes it that far
2012 [21:16:31] <SerajewelKS> you should use -I to prepend that
rule instead
2013 [21:16:46] <SerajewelKS> debron: btw those LOGs wouldn't
ever be reached anyway since DROP is a terminating target
2014 [21:17:49] <debron> I see
2015 [21:17:52] <debron> thanks you
2016 [21:17:54] <SerajewelKS> Antoine-: basically what you need to
do is have your MTA bind outgoing connections to your VPN IP
address, then create a new routing table and use "ip rule
add" to create a rule matching traffic from your client IP, to
use the alternate routing table
2017 [21:18:03] <Antoine-> ntd: So tls-client means that anything
that comes in through the VPN goes out through the VPN as well (and
only that)?
2018 [21:18:04] <SerajewelKS> that's the thousand-foot view
2019 [21:18:05] <debron> is there something crazy? or its a
standar iptables ??
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2021 [21:18:29] <SerajewelKS> debron: looks like you're using
ufw
2022 [21:18:50] <SerajewelKS> debron: so you may want to add this
rule to your ufw config instead
2023 [21:19:34] <SerajewelKS> Antoine-: btw what you're
asking about is "source based routing"
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2025 [21:19:45] <SerajewelKS> Antoine-: google should have some
good reading material on that topic
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2028 [21:20:17] <SerajewelKS> basically, like mentioned, you set
up an alternate routing table and use a rule to direct the IP layer
to use that routing table instead for packets that come from a
specific network
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2030 [21:23:33] <Antoine-> SerajewelKS: Ok so there must be a
setting in /etc/postfix/main.cf to tell it to go through the VPN. I
did not understand the routing rule. Why do I need to specify my
client IP if I already told Postfix to use the VPN connection? And
what is my client IP, is it my home server's local IP?
2031 [21:23:57] <Antoine-> SerajewelKS: I'll read up on
source based routing. I guess that will answer my questions :)
2032 [21:24:27] <ntd> Antoine-, isp blocking in- or outbound 25?
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2035 [21:26:48] <karlpinc> Antoine-: I've not been paying
attention, but if you're setting relayhost in main.cf to point
to a specific hostname you can put the hostname in [] brackets to
prevent MX lookup. Hope this helps and does not confuse. (Has
nothing to do with IP routing.)
2036 [21:26:53] <Antoine-> ntd: inbound for sure. outbound
I'm not sure, how can I try?
2037 [21:27:17] <ntd> well, if only inbound it doesn't really
matter where it comes back out :P
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2039 [21:27:25] <ntd> some spam filters may take issue though
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2041 [21:28:15] <SerajewelKS> Antoine-: you don't tell
postfix to "use your VPN connection" you tell it to send
from the IP address that happens to be associated with the VPN
interface
2042 [21:28:38] <SerajewelKS> that does not guarantee the packet
will leave that interface. routing rules still come into play, and
standard routing looks only at the destination, not the source.
2043 [21:28:44] <SerajewelKS> that's why you need a secondary
routing table
2044 [21:29:34] <Antoine-> karlpinc: Why whould I want to prevent
MX lookup?
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2046 [21:30:35] <Antoine-> (I'll be back after some good
dinner, to think about all this :))
2047 [21:30:37] <karlpinc> Antoine-: Because the
"relayhost" parameter routes all outbound mail through a
designated host, presumeably one which will then deliver to the rest
of the internet.
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2054 [21:35:46] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: i think he's trying
to run a full-blown MTA
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2056 [21:35:55] <SerajewelKS> hence he needs to be able to route
traffic from his VPN IP address over the VPN link
2057 [21:36:03] <SerajewelKS> which is textbook source-based
routing
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2060 [21:37:27] <greycat> It would be super easy just to put a
mail relay on the other end of the VPN and shove all the mail over
there.
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2068 [21:43:20] <nyov> if you want to pay for and manage another
VPS or whatever
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2088 [22:05:04] <debron> SerajewelKS: thanks you have helped me a
lot with that iptables information you gave me
2089 [22:05:23] <debron> the order matter a lot there
2090 [22:05:45] <debron> didnt know, and is a very important
information if I want to try to adminitrate that tool...
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2098 [22:14:49] <SerajewelKS> debron: yeah. the rules are applied
in order. some targets (-j) "terminate" and some do not.
2099 [22:15:06] <SerajewelKS> if a terminating rule is reached, no
further rules in that chain are tested
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2105 [22:21:17] <debron> SerajewelKS: that means that if i decided
to log -j LOG
2106 [22:21:24] <debron> and later i decided to drop
2107 [22:21:28] <debron> drop is not taking place?
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2113 [22:26:13] <SerajewelKS> debron: LOG is not a terminating
target
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2115 [22:26:33] <debron> aah oki
2116 [22:26:46] <debron> yeah it has to be working , otherwise the
spam in auth.log would continue
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2139 [22:45:51] <Antoine-> In postfix, should myhostname be my
domain name like example.org or the MX record like mail.example.org?
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2141 [22:46:30] <greycat>
replaced-url
2142 [22:46:45] <SerajewelKS> Antoine-: it should be the hostname
of the machine itself. for the mail domain, see mydomain
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2144 [22:47:28] <greycat> or in other words, "No, neither of
those things."
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2150 [22:48:26] <SerajewelKS> well it could be the same as the MX
record, if mail.example.org is the hostname of the machine
2151 [22:48:40] <SerajewelKS> so "not necessarily"
2152 [22:49:00] <greycat> It should be the name that lets you
identify the machine so you know where the problem happened, if the
name is used to identify the machine having a problem.
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2154 [22:51:27] <mpo> Good evening. I can't write to
/etc/group. /usr/sbin/groupadd -g returns error code 10.
replaced-url
2155 [22:51:33] <Antoine-> greycat: I was actually reading that
page. It says "if you run Postfix on a virtual interface"
and all my connection goes through a vpn so I wondered if that
applied.
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2157 [22:52:11] <greycat> I'm assuming it's the same as
control/me in qmail. "Hi, this is the qmail server at
<me>. I had this problem: <problem>."
2158 [22:52:36] <Antoine-> SerajewelKS: So should it be the local
hostname I'm assigning to that machine?
2159 [22:52:52] <greycat> It should be whatever lets you pinpoint
where the problem occurred.
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2161 [22:53:32] <greycat> In real machines, it would be the unique
hostname of the machine.
2162 [22:54:19] <Antoine-> greycat: Ok I can just put any name I
want, right? Like, there's no wrong answer that will break my
postfix config?
2163 [22:55:07] <greycat> I don't know how many ways we can
rephrase "my hostname".
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2168 [22:58:25] <Antoine-> Good good, sorry it's not all that
obvious to me.
2169 [22:58:59] <greycat> mpo: (1) is the root file system
read-only? (2) is the /etc/group file immutable (check with
"lsattr /etc/group") (3) is the root file system full?
2170 [22:59:35] <greycat> (4) is the :~# shell prompt misleading,
and you weren't actually root, despite the # character which
conventionally means root?
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2173 [23:00:25] <annadane> it's just a funny emoji.
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2176 [23:01:59] <mpo> greycat: 1) no, 2) result is
"Extents" 3) no, and 4) also no
2177 [23:02:29] <mpo> root fs is read/write
2178 [23:02:39] <greycat> "lsattr /etc/group" said
"Extents"? Not "--------------e---- /etc/group"
or similar?
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2181 [23:03:13] <mpo> lsattr -l said "Extents"
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2184 [23:04:26] <greycat> Well, there goes all my ideas. If it
were me, the next thing I'd try is "strace -f your
command" but that's because I have enough experience to
(sometimes) be able to read strace output and spot a problem.
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2187 [23:05:28] <mpo> Thanks for trying.
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2190 [23:07:11] <mpo> It's good to have someone like you
active in this channel.
2191 [23:08:23] <annadane> if everyone in irc is stumped try
debian-user@lists.debian.org
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2193 [23:08:31] <annadane> including in the email what you tried
here will narrow it down
2194 [23:09:13] <mpo> I have an itch to just reboot that thing.
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2196 [23:09:38] <SerajewelKS> mpo: lsattr -l says the same thing
on my machine, i'm assuming that's an ext4 thing
2197 [23:09:49] <SerajewelKS> mpo: greycat meant without -l i
think
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2199 [23:10:00] <SerajewelKS> because without -l i see
"--------------e---- /etc/group"
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2201 [23:10:25] <mpo> That's correct, but both mean the same.
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2203 [23:10:53] <SerajewelKS> oh right, -l is the verbose
mechanism
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2208 [23:11:52] <SerajewelKS> mpo: google suggests this is a
locking error, does /etc/group.lock exist?
2209 [23:12:35] <greycat> man, if that's true, someone
*really* needs to update groupadd to put the word "locked"
somewhere in the error message
2210 [23:13:00] <annadane> wishlist buuuug~
2211 [23:13:02] <greycat> "failure while writing" is
just utterly useless
2212 [23:13:07] <annadane> it is
2213 [23:13:20] <SerajewelKS> it could mean anything from
"bad permissions" to "/ is gone"
2214 [23:13:20] <annadane> windows levels of verbosity
2215 [23:13:42] <SerajewelKS> which, incidentally, happened to me
last night. i think the hardware raid controller died because the
server alerts went off, i ssh'd in, and /dev/sd* didn't
exist
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2221 [23:17:06] <annadane> oh yes, i was here for that
2222 [23:17:10] <annadane> did you ever find a solution?
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2235 [23:28:39] <namll> hello, what can I have to set my volume
keys to control alsamixer? I am only seeing references for XFCE and
i3 when searching for a solution.
2236 [23:29:08] <namll> how can i set*
2237 [23:29:12] <HicksD> amixer set 'Master' 5%-
2238 [23:29:19] <HicksD> amixer set 'Master' 5%+
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2240 [23:29:31] <HicksD> bind keys to those two, is how I did it
in xfce
2241 [23:29:43] <namll> HicksD: is there a config file it goes
into?
2242 [23:30:13] <HicksD> I did it via
settings/keyboard/application shortcuts, but that's possibly
xfce specific.
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2244 [23:30:20] <HicksD> what desktop are you using?
2245 [23:30:29] <namll> HicksD: dwm
2246 [23:30:58] <nemo> If I wanted to beg for the flag mentioned
in
replaced-url
2247 [23:30:59] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2249 [23:31:33] <HicksD> namll: I've not used that, try a
search on keyboard shortcuts dwm though, unless anyone else in here
knows.
2250 [23:31:36] <namll> Im wondering if i can just set the
keybinding in my .xinitrc
2251 [23:31:55] <nemo> perhaps as some custom 4.17-amd64-xx .deb
... I'm not picky, it's just that my attempt to package my
own kernel with the flag flipped failed miserably for reasons that
are not obvious to me
2252 [23:32:07] <nemo> and I'd obv prefer to stay on a debian
kernel overall
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2254 [23:34:18] <annadane> i wish i could answer that but i'm
not sure.
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2260 [23:36:26] <n_1-c_k> namll: yes, e.g. have .xinitrc calls
xbindkeys.
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2263 [23:37:11] <wtflux> hi im using kali linux can anyone tell me
the apt-get install to use for installing the java JRE?
2264 [23:37:16] <annadane> !kali
2265 [23:37:16] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2266 [23:37:36] <wtflux> apt-cache search term java is returning a
BUNCH of stuff
2267 [23:37:41] <at0m> !next
2268 [23:37:41] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2269 [23:37:55] <annadane> on debian it's openjdk-8-jre. who
knows what it is in kali. it's not debian so we don't know
2270 [23:38:09] <wtflux> right but is there a way to install it
using Aptitude
2271 [23:38:13] <wtflux> or w/e its called
2272 [23:38:28] <annadane> apt. and if you need to ask, be careful
running kali
2273 [23:38:32] <annadane> apt install blah blah
2274 [23:38:35] <annadane> !whynotpentesting
2275 [23:38:35] <dpkg> For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other
based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be
used as a home desktop, see
replaced-url
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2279 [23:39:35] <wtflux> im not using it as a home desktop, im
using it as a research/edu lab. i need JRE so i can install webgoat
and make it from scratch, but dont have JRE so maven is throwing a
bunch of errors. the same i assume it would do on debian without a
JRE
2280 [23:39:40] <annadane> nemo, i hate telling people to join
other networks but maybe you can try asking #debian-kernel
2281 [23:39:42] <Something1> @wtflux I believe you got that during
your compsci education, check your textbooks, if not you can likely
ask kali linux support or purchase support from a reputable vendor
somewhere
2282 [23:39:42] <annadane> on irc.oftc.net
2283 [23:40:06] <annadane> wtflux, fair enough. but please ask
kali support, we don't want to lead you astray
2284 [23:40:55] <wtflux> surely, but i can install JRE from a
download off oracle, i just prefer to use apt because its built in,
does anyone know if its possible to install the JRE using apt on
debian?
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2286 [23:41:10] <SerajewelKS> !info java-package
2287 [23:41:16] <dpkg> java-package: (Utility for creating Java
Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.62
(sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
2288 [23:41:17] <wtflux> or even an Open source JRE if one exists,
so i wouldnt even need oracle's download as well
2289 [23:41:21] <SerajewelKS> wtflux: see that ^
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2291 [23:41:35] <SerajewelKS> debian also has openjre
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2293 [23:41:47] <annadane> on debian, yeah, it would be
openjdk-x-jre, whatever the java version is, i think for debian
stretch... i've only installed 8, there may be others
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2296 [23:42:48] <annadane> ,v openjdk-9-jre
2297 [23:42:49] <judd> Package: openjdk-9-jre on amd64 --
stretch-backports: 9~b181-4~bpo9+1
2298 [23:42:54] <annadane> ,v openjdk-7-jre
2299 [23:42:55] <wtflux> ok thx, now that i know an open JRE
exists for debian i'll be able to find what im looking for.
2300 [23:42:56] <judd> Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- wheezy:
7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; experimental: 7u161-2.6.12-1; wheezy-security:
7u171-2.6.13-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u181-2.6.14-1~deb8u1;
jessie-security: 7u181-2.6.14-1~deb8u1
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2302 [23:43:06] <annadane> ok so for *stretch* it's just 8
2303 [23:43:30] <Something1> He handled that quite nicely,
pretending to know what he´s doing. namedropping Oracle and
everything
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2308 [23:45:26] <annadane> let's maybe not antagonize members
of the community, even derivatives
2309 [23:45:48] <wtflux> Some people just cant help it, no matter
the age.
2310 [23:46:01] <wtflux> apparently.
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2313 [23:46:18] <annadane> and sorry for the deflecting to kali
support, many people who ask questions here don't know what
they're doing
2314 [23:46:19] <wtflux> Thanks for the point in the right
direction though
2315 [23:46:32] <annadane> so i perhaps unfairly assume things,
and i shouldn't
2316 [23:47:15] <wtflux> I head there for support often enough, it
just seems the channel has tons of idle users so i never get a
response.
2317 [23:48:24] <wtflux> I use debian with kde on a home laptop
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2319 [23:48:56] <wtflux> its nice to have derivatives
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2321 [23:49:51] <wtflux> if i was a better programmer i'd
contribute to the debian project
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2323 [23:50:03] <wtflux> maybe when i make it rich i'll start
donating
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2325 [23:50:27] <nyov> me too :{
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2328 [23:50:38] <jaami> hi, looking for minimal debian iso and
want to install on usb disk. where do i get the minimal debian with
GUI thatcan be installed on USB disk?
2329 [23:50:41] <nyov> i like the *when* in there
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2332 [23:51:07] <wtflux> nyov, gotta stay hopeful, or why agonize
on?
2333 [23:51:13] <annadane> jaami, the net install should do fine,
do you have internet access on the target machine?
2334 [23:51:19] <annadane> you can choose a GUI in the installer
2335 [23:51:26] <annadane> (and it has a graphical install.)
2336 [23:51:29] <rant> jaami smallest is the xfce CD 1 iso
2337 [23:51:37] <wtflux> jaami, the live CD usb will have the GUI.
check out Yumi pen drive linux for your USB.
2338 [23:51:38] <nyov> wtflux: ? i said me too. i am hopeful
2339 [23:51:50] <wtflux> nyov, i was agreeing.
2340 [23:51:53] <nyov> ok
2341 [23:52:02] <annadane> "live image" != install
debian
2342 [23:52:13] <wtflux> and didnt exactly noticed i put when in
there, thats atypical of my internal nihilism
2343 [23:52:33] <trysten> (as opposed to external nihilism)
2344 [23:52:55] <nyov> jaami:
replaced-url
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2346 [23:53:26] <annadane> oh, USB disk? sorry. do you want to
install *on* a usb disk, or install to a regular computer using the
USB as the install medium?
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2349 [23:53:47] <annadane> teach me not to read.
2350 [23:53:58] <rant> wtflux please don't suggest other
distros we don't support in here
2351 [23:54:29] <annadane> the net install should do you fine
regardless, depending on what you install its footprint is fairly
small
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2353 [23:54:52] <jaami> the laptop have a bad disk.can i install
debian on USB from my other laptop and use it with the one without
hard disk?
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2355 [23:55:35] <nyov> usb is still flash. it may not last long as
a "harddisk"
2356 [23:55:59] <mspe> unless he makes it boot from usb to ram
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2358 [23:56:13] <mspe> but that needs a lot of ram ^^
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2360 [23:56:48] <jaami> i think sandisk nano usb is good because i
used it for more than 2 years. The usb is still good.
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2362 [23:57:31] <rant> yes it can be done you would be best off
having two one to install to and one for the installer
2363 [23:57:37] <jaami> i had debian on the usb but that was newer
laptop and not working because of bad mother board
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2365 [23:58:03] <rant> works better and is easier to persistently
config than a live
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