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• 55[00:19:52] <FrostyBytes> the "standard" live images have which desktop environment on them? or none at all?
• 56[00:20:05] <missmbob> gnome
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• 61[00:21:19] <FrostyBytes> ok wicked why is standard smaller than xfce then? is the xfce live image include gnome as well?
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• 64[00:22:32] <n4dir> i am not so sure that there is something like a standard debian live at all ...
• 65[00:22:51] <FrostyBytes> replaced-url
• 66[00:23:02] <n4dir> ah, that one: debian-live-8.6.0-i386-standard.iso.torrent ?
• 67[00:23:17] <FrostyBytes> by the size of it you would think standard has no DE at all
• 68[00:23:20] <TomTomTo1> the ones marked standard have no gui.
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• 74[00:24:08] <FrostyBytes> so which is the most popular DE of those available as live?
• 75[00:24:17] <n4dir> i seem to recall live-helper/live-builder had an optiont like "standard", that's probably where the name comes from ...
• 76[00:24:19] <ffs> can apt packages have complicated dependencies? like, "i require *EITHER* foo or bar?"
• 77[00:24:30] <FrostyBytes> ffs: yes
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• 80[00:25:04] <ffs> FrostyBytes, is there a good place to read up on apt? manpages are really not the cleanest introduction
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• 86[00:27:11] <n4dir> ffs: replaced-url
• 87[00:27:29] <n4dir> ups: documentation has quite a few "books". most of them are installable, iirc.
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• 92[00:29:11] <ffs> what keywords should i look for to see the details about logical disjunctions? lots of the text seems to focus on hard requirements (conjunctions) only
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• 103[00:32:03] <FuZi0N> Thoughts on Fedora VS Debian?
• 104[00:32:10] <steakwipe> one is a hat
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• 106[00:33:21] <ffs> is that virtual packages? like i can have FOO provide BAZ, BAR provide BAZ, and then have X depend on BAZ?
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• 110[00:34:36] <ffs> and, if so, how does the system decide whether it ultimately installs FOO or BAR if i tell it to install X ?
• 111[00:34:36] <FrostyBytes> Fedora=good for surfing the web, checking email, development work, a bit of gaming Debian=same deal
• 112[00:35:12] <FrostyBytes> ffs: it guesses
• 113[00:35:19] <ffs> FrostyBytes, based on what?
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• 115[00:35:26] <FuZi0N> FrostyBytes: which one do you prefer and why?
• 116[00:36:02] <ill1> Hello, I'm having trouble uninstalling xflux / fluxgui . I can't uninstall through apt-get remove, and i can't seem to find the files for them anywhere. can anyone help with this?
• 117[00:36:21] <FrostyBytes> I prefer Gentoo because it gives %100 control over the system
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• 119[00:37:17] <n4dir> you probably mean packagemanagement
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• 128[00:42:02] <ffs> FrostyBytes, anyway, in case you're wondering, it seems like it first tries to satisfy all non-virtual dependencies, and then for whatever's left it prioritises most packages that show up earlier in the list of allowed architectures, and among those selects them from whatever order PkgIterator gives it in the source code. so basically it's a greedy algorithm
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• 134[00:43:37] <FrostyBytes> greed is good
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• 141[00:45:20] <ffs> sometimes, but what if i make a package called AAAAA with a billion dependencies that provides a popular virtual package?
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• 145[00:46:31] <FrostyBytes> ffs: your package would be rejected by the mainstream debian community. in fact, they may even reject all your future work, regardless how good it is
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• 174[01:01:24] <TomTomTo1> ffs: usually virtual packages are used to mark packages that provide the same functionality. if you look at apt-cache show postfix and apt-cache show sendmail-bin they both provide mail-transport-agent and also conflict with mail-transport-agent, so you can't install both at the same time. i don't know of an example where a virtual package is used as dependency. usually alternatives are given
• 175[01:01:27] <TomTomTo1> explicitly.
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• 179[01:02:06] <Kirkland_Signatu> gay niggers are to be shot
• 180[01:02:11] <TomTomTo1> ffs: if you try to install a virtual package with apt-get it will not choose one for you.
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• 186[01:02:52] <somiaj> sounds like ffs wants a meta package.
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• 188[01:03:33] <somiaj> though I didn't follow the conversation.
• 189[01:04:05] <ffs> somiaj, i don't think so. i want to say "i need either A or B to be installed, but i don't really need both"
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• 193[01:04:51] <ffs> e.g. gcc vs clang or whatever
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• 196[01:05:33] <n4dir> i would say you do it in the control file, via this|that.
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• 200[01:06:28] <ffs> control file? sorry, i don't really know much about apt. i'm mostly looking at the underlying algorithms/math problem in another context and thought it might apply here as well
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• 204[01:07:35] <ffs> ooh, that looks right. thanks!
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• 210[01:09:33] <RM982> at XFCE login screen it is ok, but once logged in it changes to english standard
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• 253[01:29:30] <newcoder> Can I upgrade whole debian system after 2 years? Will it work?
• 254[01:29:53] <bazhang> newcoder, from what to what
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• 258[01:31:09] <newcoder> From jessie to the next 2 version
• 259[01:31:15] <newcoder> In 2019
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• 261[01:31:40] <bazhang> to a not yet released version?
• 262[01:31:47] <newcoder> Yes
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• 264[01:32:03] <newcoder> I want to upgrade whole system in 2019
• 265[01:32:11] <newcoder> I will not update anything from today
• 266[01:32:15] <newcoder> Will it work?
• 267[01:32:40] <bazhang> no security updates of any kind?
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• 269[01:32:51] <newcoder> I will not update anything
• 270[01:33:02] <newcoder> I'm not worried about security
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• 273[01:33:33] <Dreaman> newcoder chenge name in repos stretch
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• 276[01:33:56] <Dreaman> and apt-get update
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• 278[01:34:08] <Dreaman> ans dist-upgrade
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• 280[01:34:26] <newcoder> Dreaman: Will it work in 2019?
• 281[01:34:57] <Dreaman> i dont now
• 282[01:35:16] <Dreaman> soon stretch is final realise
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• 287[01:37:40] <Dreaman> newcoder this is next stable debian
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• 289[01:38:11] <newcoder> Suppose there will be a release in 2019 named debian-2019
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• 293[01:38:41] <tomcres> At the current rate of releases (about one every two years), stretch will probably still be stable in January of 2019
• 294[01:38:47] <bazhang> newcoder, the naming scheme does not go like that
• 295[01:38:50] <Dreaman> debian is staeble testin unsteble
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• 297[01:39:05] <Dreaman> my english not good
• 298[01:39:15] <TomTomTo1> he said suppose!
• 299[01:39:16] <tomcres> Upgrades from jessie (current stable) to stretch (next stable) will definitely be supported
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• 301[01:39:22] <newcoder> bazhang: I know that
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• 303[01:40:01] <Dreaman> newcoder problem is
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• 306[01:41:25] <TomTomTo1> and no, forget that stretch talk. if you have a box running debian stable NOW and want to update it in two years (without switching releases), it will most likely work.
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• 308[01:42:20] <bazhang> hard to say, as in he will never update for security fixes for two years
• 309[01:43:33] <TomTomTo1> it's unlikely that will create problems.
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• 508[03:42:01] <pep_> im trying to install debian onto my computer which is already running windows 10, i wish to install it on a seperate (clean) hard drive and have windows running on the other hard drive. I've used the smart installation image and flashed that onto a usb to make the usb bootable in bios. It seems to install fine but when we try to use the OS for the first time we just get the message "no bootable device detected."
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• 510[03:42:06] <pep_> any ideas?
• 511[03:42:32] <Guest2073> I have problems with wpa-supplicant.conf replaced-url
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• 513[03:42:58] <pep_> network cable is connected and we installed additional software from mirror sites during the isnstallation process
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• 516[03:43:44] <pep_> is there a way i can pull a log of the installation to see whats going on and why it isnt working?
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• 519[03:44:44] <steakwipe> sounds like windows might be on EFI
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• 521[03:44:54] <steakwipe> and debian is trying to use legacy bios mode, or something
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• 523[03:45:38] <pep_> yes i believe it is using efi, it's a brand new dell tower
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• 526[03:45:56] <steakwipe> IIRC the debian intaller's boot menu should say efi mode (someone correct me?)
• 527[03:46:42] <pep_> the smart installation image was also flashed onto the usb using rufus as well as we dont have any linux system to flash it the usual way
• 528[03:47:01] <pep_> not sure if that makes a difference
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• 530[03:47:04] <AciD`> so, where are stored the list of files installed by each package?
• 531[03:47:20] <AciD`> when you do dpkg -S libqca2-plugin-ossl, where does dpkg gets this information?
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• 533[03:48:08] <steakwipe> pep_, i *think* that could be a factor, but i dont have the resources to check
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• 536[03:48:23] <pep_> im not too sure to be honest, i just assumed with the smart installation image, it would pull whatever is needed from the internet during the installation process
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• 541[03:48:52] <steakwipe> yeah i'm just not hip to rufus
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• 543[03:49:06] <steakwipe> connection sucks right now or i'd be able to dig for ya
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• 545[03:49:47] <pep_> okay, thanks for all your help we'll check out this legacy/efi option first and report back
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• 549[03:50:53] <steakwipe> cool, good luck pep_
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• 569[04:10:45] <Resilience> somebody copy me?
• 570[04:11:02] <johnkeates> I'm copying you all day long.
• 571[04:11:07] <Ragnarokkr> yes, so i do
• 572[04:11:56] <Resilience> hehehe funny I am restarting my network and I not always know if I am at irc or I am ot of it, thanks guys
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• 574[04:12:39] <Resilience> the line "key_mgmt=WPA-PSK" uses WPA2 encryption or only WPA?
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• 578[04:14:09] <Ragnarokkr> wpa
• 579[04:15:11] <Resilience> mmm and how do I do to use wpa2?
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• 587[04:19:20] <brizz> my xvnc keeps crashing past few days (maybe week or so)--it is compltely random, but the backtrace seems to be same
• 588[04:19:43] <brizz> replaced-url
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• 593[04:22:49] <Resilience> mmm and how do I do to use wpa2? Ragnarokkr
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• 598[04:32:06] <Ragnarokkr> I'm not shure what you are trying to do
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• 600[04:33:39] <Resilience> Ragnarokkr, I don't quite know very much about wifi, but as I understand, WPA2 is different from WPA, right?
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• 607[04:35:45] <Ragnarokkr> You can only change your wifi to WPA2 if you have access to the router
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• 610[04:38:11] <Resilience> Ragnarokkr, I have, my router has options WPA/WPA2 and "only WPA2", bt I have to left it on "WPA/WPA2" becuase some old devices not working with WPA2, so I assume that with the "key_mgmt=WPA-PSK" my debian box only uses WPA, so I was trying to force it to use WPA2 (if possible)
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• 615[04:39:40] <dvs> Resilience, how do you know it's not using WPA2? Have you tried WPA2 only?
• 616[04:40:31] <Resilience> dvs, I asked about the "key_mgmt=WPA-PSK" line and Ragnarokkr said it was only using WPA (I dont know how to know it)
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• 618[04:41:19] <Ragnarokkr> You could try logging in to your router and check what it's configured to use
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• 620[04:43:54] <Resilience> Ragnarokkr, as I said, my router has "WPA/WPA2" and "only WPA2" option, and I have selected the "WPA/WPA2" option because I have some old devices (arduinos) that they only work with the WAP mode, and I asked how can I force my linux boxes to use WPA2
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• 631[04:50:17] <Ragnarokkr> wireless routers only use one type of encryption WEP,WPA,WPA2 at a time, depending on your router you may be able to at two different wifi signals; one to use WPA and the other to use WPA2
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• 633[04:52:37] <Resilience> Ragnarokkr, I unedrstand it, and I assume that if my router says "WPA/WPA2" mode, it means it can handle WPA and WPA2 devices at the same time, so that's why I am asking if it can be forced from the linuxu box to work in WPA2 mode
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• 635[04:53:11] <rosettacodes> why is debian supporting the free dinkgon warrior instead of telling people to pay for the expensive dragon warrior nes game
• 636[04:54:06] <rosettacodes> don't you think people should pay megabucks to listen to the dragon warrior music and experience the story as it unfolds
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• 638[04:55:11] <mrrhq> Man, the Arduino still only supports regular WPA? I hope they have an updated one.
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• 640[04:55:42] <rosettacodes> does debian want to create a bunch of starving artists
• 641[04:56:14] <mrrhq> What now?
• 642[04:56:14] <Ragnarokkr> Resilience, try logging into you router and see what options you have, it's usuall 192.168.1.1, also what router model do you have
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• 646[04:57:18] <dvs> Ragnarokkr, I think using TKIP or AES for the pairwise/group parameter will make wifi use WPA2 for encryption. See /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/examples for examples.
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• 650[04:58:48] <rosettacodes> you goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin, thieving, girl murdering Nazi/Jew trash need to pay the trillions of dollars in royalties that you owe the 5 of us model 1 people
• 651[04:59:15] <Ragnarokkr> dvs, yes, but you would have to make the changes to the router for WPA2 and would lose WPA encryption
• 652[04:59:50] <dvs> Ragnarokkr, if your router option currently says "WPA/WPA2", you shouldn't have to.
• 653[05:00:04] <Resilience> Ragnarokkr, I do repeat for thrice, I have logeg to my router, the optiosn are "WPA"WPA2" (first option) and "WPA2 only" (second option) I have selected the first one (WPA/WPA2) which I assume it means the router can work with WPA and WPA2 devices at the same time, the router says nothing about what type of encryption is using every device, so I am asking if can be forced FROM the debian box using WPA2 ecncryption mode, and not the offered from the router (
• 654[05:00:04] <Resilience> Which in "WPA/WPA2" mode could be only WPA for every device), is there any way to force WPA2 encryption FROM The debian box?
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• 656[05:00:13] <rosettacodes> all you goddamn hardware sons of bitches around the globe need to pay the trillions of dollars in royalties that you owe the 5 of us model 1 people
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• 661[05:01:11] <peterrooney> !ops rosettacodes spam
• 662[05:01:11] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: rosettacodes spam
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• 666[05:01:49] <rosettacodes> that include aerospace equipment, entertainment equipment, medical equipment, avionics equipment, peripheral device equipment, avionic equipment...and so on...you bastards need to pay for these stolen ideas from the model 1 designs
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• 668[05:02:12] <rosettacodes> and of course global communications equipment....
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• 670[05:02:40] <rosettacodes> you goddamn sons of bitches need to pay the fuckin trillions of dollars you bastards owe the 5 of us model 1 people
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• 672[05:03:14] <heston> hello, I just did an install of Jessie with full disk encryption and every time I bootup it says it cant find the volume group and then asks for the passphrase, or it just crashes with a blinking underscore
• 673[05:03:28] <heston> any idea what's going on?
• 674[05:03:30] <rosettacodes> and of course digital circiutry in automobiles and the transportation industry
• 675[05:03:41] <steakwipe> mine works fine and it says it can't find the volume group; it will find it after decrypting. as for the crash, not sure i'm afraid
• 676[05:04:03] <rosettacodes> you goddamn sons of bitches did not have the right to steal the model 1 ideas we never agreed to give away for free
• 677[05:04:12] <heston> in ubuntu it's seemless and I dont need to enter the passphrase
• 678[05:04:20] <heston> not to mention never crashes
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• 680[05:04:26] <heston> well, not at bootup anyways
• 681[05:04:27] <steakwipe> can't speak to that myself
• 682[05:04:32] <steakwipe> never had an issue with it
• 683[05:04:42] <steakwipe> and i'm just some guy, not a pro
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• 685[05:04:47] <steakwipe> but i hope it sorts out dude
• 686[05:05:18] <heston> I thought you needed to enter the passphrase on every bootup until I tried ubuntu with it. I wonder if it's less secure
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• 688[05:06:20] <rosettacodes> none of the 5 of us that actualized the model 1 from the previously vaporware nonsense need to be paid the royalties on our ideas....i spoke with the other 4 and none of them agreed to sign away our rights to our ideas.
• 689[05:06:28] <steakwipe> I have to enter it every bootup
• 690[05:06:53] <steakwipe> It just throws the error about not finding the volume before the passphrase, which makes sense. once unlocked it's fine
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• 692[05:07:32] <rosettacodes> that amounts to trillions of dollars from multinational manufacturers in all kinds of industries over decades of theft...and discounting the present value of all future applications of our ideas.
• 693[05:08:10] <rosettacodes> industries, governments, and educational institutions and anyone else stealing our ideas without paying adequate royalties.
• 694[05:08:44] <rosettacodes> including some digital issues in missile guidance systems of nuclear weapons.
• 695[05:09:12] <rosettacodes> you goddamn thieving sons of bitches need to pay the trillions of dollars you owe the 5 of us.
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• 697[05:10:04] <steakwipe> i often forget about ignore, phew
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• 702[05:10:42] <rosettacodes> only one of us agreed to work for IBM and that was Bob Bayes...but he says he never gave IBM permission to steal our ideas either and never put anything in writing
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• 705[05:11:16] <rosettacodes> all you goddamn hardware sons of bitches need to pay the trillions of dollars you owe the 5 of us
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• 710[05:14:49] <rosettacodes> you goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin , thieving , girl murdering sons of bitches need to pay the trillions of dollars in royalties to the 5 of us and then answer for your heinous murderous crimes.
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• 712[05:18:10] <rosettacodes> you goddamn pieces of fuckin shit think you can come over here and establish Nazi/JEW wealth sucking enterprises and educational institutions and hire pimp legislators to serve your criminal murderous and thieving intentions and hire Nazi pigs to stand behind your crimes against people who are not murderous Nazi/Jew trash....you bastards need to be destroyed.
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• 717[05:19:58] <heston> rosettacodes, how is ranting here going to get you anywhere
• 718[05:20:12] <rosettacodes> and you goddamn hardware sons of bitches around the world need to pay the 5 of us the trillions of dollars in royalties you stole from us.
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• 721[05:21:29] <rosettacodes> you think we don't see Nazi shit all over the US....and what you are doing to people that are not Nazi/Jew trash....people see the Mercedes Benz sign on the Superdome in New Orleans which was once a french name.
• 722[05:22:06] <peterrooney> !ops rosettacodes abuse
• 723[05:22:06] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: rosettacodes abuse
• 724[05:22:18] <rosettacodes> and many cities ending in burg...like Pittsburg full of Nazi trash....similar to Hamburg , Germany
• 725[05:22:47] <chomwitt> hi, i have a site replaced-url
• 726[05:24:33] <rosettacodes> with people verifying Nazi colonies in Texas, Indiana, Lousiana, Mississippi ( like Grumann Airline Stuff), and Alabama, and many other states you have infiltrated and you bastards need to be destroyed and pay the trillions of dollars you motherfuckers owe the 5 of us model 1 people.
• 727[05:25:14] <rosettacodes> and Nashville, Tennesse, and California too.
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• 732[05:26:46] <rosettacodes> you goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin, thieving, girl murdering Nazi/Jew trash and other hardware manufacturers need to pay the trillions of dollars in royalties you owe the 5 of us...and answer for your goddamn heinous murderous crimes
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• 734[05:28:32] <rosettacodes> you think people don't see the Mercedes Benz sign on the Superdome of New Orleans...named after Orleans, France once French
• 735[05:30:00] <rosettacodes> all you goddamn hardware sons of bitches around the globe using digital ideas need to pay the trillions in royalties for stolen model1 ideas.
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• 738[05:31:09] <BazookaTooth> chomwitt: fail2ban if your site has some sort of auth/login.
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• 774[06:01:48] <Duser> Can someone tell me why when I have the power manager set to do nothing when I close the lid that it is forcing me to log back in and apparently disconnecting my IRC client.
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• 798[06:17:02] <zykotick9> Duser: my _guess_ is you haven't distabled lid close. personally i have HandleLidSwitch=ignore in my logind.conf but I'm sure there are other ways.
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• 928[08:04:38] <Barabacha> I have awesomewm currently installed, if I install xfce will it override awesomewm?
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• 935[08:07:56] <somiaj> Barabacha: no you can have multiple WMs or DEs installed side by side
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• 937[08:08:14] <SpaceAce> hey
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• 939[08:08:29] <SpaceAce> I'm having trouble getting a seagate 1tb usb hdd working
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• 941[08:08:42] <somiaj> SpaceAce: what sort of trouble? Is it a SATA drive?
• 942[08:08:55] <SpaceAce> replaced-url
• 943[08:08:59] <Barabacha> somiaj: currently when my linux starts I'm in a console and I have to type "startx" to start the WM, how will the linux know which WM to start?
• 944[08:09:06] <SpaceAce> it's called a seagate backup pro. USB
• 945[08:09:12] <SpaceAce> i know they're finicky
• 946[08:09:17] <SpaceAce> fdisk -l doesn't show it
• 947[08:09:19] <somiaj> Barabacha: if you use startx on debian it is prefeed you use ~/.xsession to set what is run at start.
• 948[08:09:33] <somiaj> SpaceAce: fdisk -l doesn't show disks.
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• 950[08:09:53] <Barabacha> somiaj: not .xresources?
• 951[08:09:54] <somiaj> SpaceAce: so this is a usb disk?
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• 953[08:10:04] <SpaceAce> somiaj, yes
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• 955[08:10:23] <somiaj> Barabacha: .Xresources is not something to do with starting X, .xinitrc or .xsession, though .xsession is preferable on debian systems.
• 956[08:10:25] <SpaceAce> i'm not phsyically at the computer so i don't know the model of the disk
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• 958[08:10:36] <SpaceAce> some cheapo seagate thing was plugged into it for me
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• 960[08:11:26] <somiaj> SpaceAce: the output you get from dmesg is not detecting it is a drive and using usb mass storage to talk to it. If it doesn't assign it a drive you won't be able to access it as a drive.
• 961[08:12:00] <SpaceAce> it seems to see it as 7 scsi disks
• 962[08:12:03] <somiaj> SpaceAce: could be something with the cheapo usb thing making it so it isn't detected or something else. If you plug in other usb drives do they get detected correctly
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• 964[08:12:31] <somiaj> SpaceAce: well the info you pasted didn't show anything about scsi disks, I see it is not being detected as anything.
• 965[08:12:59] <somiaj> SpaceAce: oh I see, you have left out info. Can you please give us more info from dmesg
• 966[08:12:59] <SpaceAce> i just installed lshw
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• 968[08:13:14] <somiaj> SpaceAce: don't just grep the usb part, give us all the info from hear the point you pluged in the device.
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• 972[08:13:57] <SpaceAce> one moment
• 973[08:14:14] <SpaceAce> replaced-url
• 974[08:14:19] <SpaceAce> whole dmesg output
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• 982[08:16:05] <somiaj> SpaceAce: looks like the device was detected as /dev/sdi, so what does fdisk -l /dev/sdi output?
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• 984[08:16:39] <SpaceAce> /dev/sdi is my boot drive
• 985[08:16:43] <SpaceAce> my OS
• 986[08:16:50] <nmschulte> Holy carp, I finally figured out how to accept/confirm libnotify notifications from blueman-applet w/ dunst... -- ctrl+shift+.
• 987[08:17:06] <nmschulte> and you get a menu to choose the response to the notification!
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• 990[08:18:18] <somiaj> SpaceAce: oh okay, looks like the drive might be bad, so it is trying to assign it a device, it assignts it sda and then to IO errors fails,t hen tries sdb, and so on
• 991[08:18:43] <SpaceAce> yeah, or these drives don't play nice with linux
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• 1013[08:32:00] <vkolchev> Got a bunch of security updates now, 10 packages or so, but they didn't make to Security advisories at debian.org page. Just curious, what packages go there and what do not and why?
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• 1015[08:32:17] <lowin> Hello. Is there any support for using newer linux versions on jessie? I'm particularily interested in 4.2 version
• 1016[08:32:37] <somiaj> vkolchev: are you positive they are security updates. Can you just list one of the package names (and have you updated yet)?
• 1017[08:32:54] <vkolchev> somiaj, well, they came from security.debian.org
• 1018[08:33:13] <somiaj> lowin: via jessie-backports you can install some newersoftware. The current kernel in jessie-backports is 4.8
• 1019[08:33:21] <vkolchev> somiaj, replaced-url
• 1020[08:33:22] <somiaj> !tell lowin about bpo kernel
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• 1025[08:34:31] <somiaj> vkolchev: I'm not seeing that package in security, can you give the output of 'apt-cache policy python-pysalm2' at paste.debian.net?
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• 1034[08:36:56] <vkolchev> somiaj, replaced-url
• 1035[08:37:53] <somiaj> vkolchev: there must be some security updates just comming out. I didn't see that update on p.d.o (so it hasn't been updated), maybe the DSA is going to be mailed soon
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• 1037[08:38:03] <themill> sounds like DSA-3759-1
• 1038[08:38:10] <somiaj> ,v python-pysaml2
• 1039[08:38:11] <judd> Package: python-pysaml2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.0-1; jessie-backports: 3.0.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.0.0-3; sid: 3.0.0-5
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• 1041[08:38:15] <themill> CVE-2016-10127
• 1042[08:38:31] <somiaj> I got a DSA email about python-pysaml2 12 mins ago now that I checked my email
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• 1044[08:38:55] <themill> and updating the website is much slower than that
• 1045[08:39:01] <somiaj> vkolchev: the webpages take a bit to update info, they aren't as fast as the emails/sites being updated
• 1046[08:39:03] <vkolchev> somiaj, ah, ok, I'm not onthe mailing list, just watched the website. There has been a bunch of package updates, though
• 1047[08:39:22] <somiaj> vkolchev: I'd get on the mailing list, it is useful to get the notifications
• 1048[08:39:30] <lowin> somiaj, since I don't have internet on my target machine to use apt, Should I do anything besides performing dpkg -i on linux-image and linux-base packages that I download from debian website?
• 1049[08:39:36] <themill> !tracker of doom
• 1050[08:39:37] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
• 1051[08:39:43] <themill> vkolchev: ^^ replaced-url
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• 1053[08:40:07] <vkolchev> somiaj, sure, will do that now. Could you recommend mailing lists besides security and announces?
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• 1055[08:40:16] <vkolchev> themill, thank you
• 1056[08:40:52] <somiaj> vkolchev: I don't have any other recomendinations. But I find the DSA one to be on
• 1057[08:41:09] <vkolchev> somiaj, ok ,thanks a lot
• 1058[08:41:09] <SpaceAce> somiaj, i solved it
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• 1060[08:41:50] <SpaceAce> these drives don't play well on Linux. had to disable UAS and add "options usb_storage quirks=VENDORID" to modprobe
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• 1062[08:41:59] <SpaceAce> pain in the arse, but at least it's mountable now
• 1063[08:42:15] <somiaj> lowin: you might need the firmware from jessie-backports too if you need firmware for any of your hardware.
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• 1066[08:42:38] <somiaj> SpaceAce: you mean add it to a file in /etc/modprobe.d?
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• 1068[08:42:55] <SpaceAce> yeah, that's right
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• 1070[08:43:35] <somiaj> SpaceAce: okay, make sure you made a config file as opposed to append that option when you ran modprobe. (:
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• 1075[08:45:02] <SpaceAce> :q!
• 1076[08:45:06] <SpaceAce> lol oops
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• 1108[08:58:46] <lowin> somiaj, So i updated the kernel. the internet works now.. but Xorg fails to start, complaining about finding screens but them not being usable.
• 1109[08:58:59] <lowin> I'm guessing i need to update the whole system now?
• 1110[08:59:28] <somiaj> lowin: no, don't update everything to jessie-backports. What video driver do you use?
• 1111[08:59:49] <lowin> somiaj, intel
• 1112[09:00:22] <somiaj> lowin: you may need xserver-xorg-video-intel form jessie-backports as well
• 1113[09:00:31] <jelly> lowin: do you have a framebuffer console with tiny characters working now?
• 1114[09:00:48] <lowin> yes console works well
• 1115[09:01:14] <jelly> in that case you can also try: install xserver-xorg-video-modesetting, and remove xserver-xorg-video-intel
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• 1117[09:01:45] <jelly> if video-intel from jessie-backports fails
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• 1119[09:02:22] <lowin> Alright
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• 1147[09:18:41] <lowin> I still can't get desktop to work. xserver-xorg-video-intel was already the latest version. I tried installing video-modesetting but when I try to remove video-intel apt tries to remove the whole desktop
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• 1150[09:18:55] <lowin> even though vesa driver is installed atleast
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• 1153[09:19:26] <somiaj> lowin: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel?
• 1154[09:19:42] <somiaj> lowin: you need to do enable jessie-backports, then apt-get -t jessie-backports install xserver-xorg-video-intel
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• 1159[09:21:45] <lowin> somiaj, ah that worked. thanks for help
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• 1182[09:29:57] <bronx75> ciao
• 1183[09:30:08] <bronx75> !list
• 1184[09:30:08] <dpkg> bronx75: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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• 1186[09:30:28] <Drzacek> wtf
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• 1196[09:34:18] <N3X15> Any known issues with Google DNS? Suddenly getting extermely slow resolves on it.
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• 1198[09:34:56] <N3X15> 0% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org]
• 1199[09:34:57] <N3X15> for instance
• 1200[09:35:24] <somiaj> N3X15: you have another DNS you can use to see if that is really the issue?
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• 1202[09:35:54] <N3X15> Yeah, but that one's also being wonky.
• 1203[09:36:12] <N3X15> It's why I switched to Google in the first place.
• 1204[09:36:13] <petemc> how do you know its dns?
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• 1206[09:36:35] <N3X15> Because it's a server and I can SSH in just fine.
• 1207[09:36:54] <petemc> that doesnt seem conclusive
• 1208[09:36:59] <N3X15> All other services are running without problems, beyond DNS resolution
• 1209[09:37:19] <petemc> install local caching namesever, if you're so sure
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• 1211[09:37:43] <N3X15> Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org'
• 1212[09:37:47] <N3X15> And there's that.
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• 1214[09:38:00] <petemc> that would seem more definitive
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• 1216[09:38:24] <petemc> works here, btw
• 1217[09:38:28] <N3X15> hm
• 1218[09:39:09] <N3X15> My resolv.conf is pointing to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 respectively, so it may be that my datacenter is proxying the requests for some reason
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• 1224[09:42:53] <N3X15> Yeah, their status page is failing to resolve from here, probably DDoS on their network. Sorry to be a bother.
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• 1294[10:31:13] <g0zzy> gksu has suddenly started behaving differently in Jessie. Now getting "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication" where it once worked
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• 1296[10:32:16] <g0zzy> gksu -u stella -g "pluma --display :0 ${message_file}" is what i'm attempting to run
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• 1349[11:02:32] <nugget_> does anyone know the real differences between "libnss-ldap" and "libnss-ldapd" and which one is preferred?
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• 1359[11:09:10] <evotopid> nugget_: Have you already seen replaced-url
• 1360[11:09:25] <nugget_> yes
• 1361[11:09:45] <nugget_> i could see that "libnss-ldapd" is newer
• 1362[11:09:51] <nugget_> but can i assume that it is preferred
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• 1366[11:11:13] <nugget_> i am currently running "libnss-ldap" in a production environment where Ubuntu was already there and I must keep it ... thus after an upgrade i've noticed sluggish responses and some notes about systemd and freedesktop stuff in the logs during such slow auth responses
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• 1369[11:11:34] <nugget_> i have seen some bugs related and basically ... i am hoping that "libnss-ldapd" can be a viable workaround
• 1370[11:12:35] <nugget_> ldap works fine and is instant "getent passwd" responds immediately
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• 1381[11:18:56] <hyper_ch> hi there, using backports for Jessie to get roundcube installed. However it complains about not root password being given for mysql/mariadb
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• 1403[11:29:19] <jelly> hyper_ch: if you think it's a bug, report it to the backports mailing list
• 1404[11:29:37] <hyper_ch> no bug tracker?
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• 1421[11:39:26] <ByteStorm> so vlc has this strange bug,when playing a video of high quality it goes on smoothly for a few minutes,then suddenly either the music stops or in rare cases the app just hangs
• 1422[11:39:32] <ByteStorm> im in sid
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• 1429[11:42:01] <hyper_ch> jelly: ok, did subscribe to the list... thx
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• 1445[11:51:33] <leont> I'm trying to install gcc6 on my debian stable by adding testing to my repository with a low pinning, and then apt-get install -t testing gcc, but this seems to cause various conflicts
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• 1447[11:53:37] <leont> Various seemingly random packages complain about unmet dependencies when I do this, but I can't figure out why
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• 1449[11:54:13] <zxcvbn> leont: really random? output is different every time you run same 'apt-get install' command?
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• 1451[11:54:36] <leont> No, not random in that sense
• 1452[11:54:47] <zxcvbn> or you mean random packages not related to gcc? debian dependency tree is big
• 1453[11:54:52] <leont> Yeah
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• 1455[11:55:30] <leont> libdune-grid-glue-dev, libgig6v5, libguestfs-ocaml, libguestfs-ocaml-dev, libjpeg62-turbo-dbg, libphobos2-ldc-debug65, libxmltooling6
• 1456[11:56:10] <leont> None of these are currently installed on my machine
• 1457[11:56:40] <leont> in verbose mode it does mention stuff like "Note, selecting 'libxmltooling6' for regex 'g++6'"
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• 1461[11:58:05] <zxcvbn> how are you installing gcc6?
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• 1463[11:58:32] <leont> This route: replaced-url
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• 1465[11:59:04] <zxcvbn> 'apt-get install gcc'?
• 1466[11:59:12] <leont> -t testing
• 1467[12:00:06] <zxcvbn> package seems to be named 'gcc-6', according to replaced-url
• 1468[12:00:31] <zxcvbn> usual 'gcc' is usually version 5
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• 1474[12:02:25] <zxcvbn> leont: you can also try 'apt-get --no-install-suggests --no-install-recommends install gcc-6' command. without '-t testing' key and maybe even without additional preferences settings
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• 1482[12:09:22] <leont> It doesn't matter if I do gcc-6 or gcc
• 1483[12:09:48] <leont> And without testing I seem to have to specify all the dependencies that aren't met by stable
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• 1492[12:12:33] <zxcvbn> on my stable it worked without pinning tricks. my way: 1) remove all repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list except 'stretch main non-free contrib' 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install gcc-6
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• 1500[12:17:57] <babilen> zxcvbn: We strongly recommend to not mix stable with either testing or unstable
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• 1504[12:19:31] <babilen> It's a much better idea to just track testing right away if you go down that route. See replaced-url
• 1505[12:19:45] <babilen> leont: ^
• 1506[12:19:46] <KingsQuest> :D
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• 1510[12:22:03] <babilen> leont: If you don't actually want to track stretch (or testing) you could use a stretch chroot (mayhaps installed/managed with schroot) for your development work
• 1511[12:22:20] <babilen> Or use a distribution that ships gcc-6 in one of its stable releases
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• 1540[12:42:16] <TuxCrazy> hello...
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• 1544[12:45:33] <hiya> TuxCrazy, Hi
• 1545[12:45:47] <hiya> who all here is excited by Debian 9?
• 1546[12:45:47] <TuxCrazy> hi, hiya, how are you?
• 1547[12:45:54] <TuxCrazy> I am.
• 1548[12:46:34] <TuxCrazy> my new laptop just arrived. But, it doesn't have any OS installed on it. Need to install Linux on it now.
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• 1551[12:49:12] <TuxCrazy> I see on debian.org that the latest stable release is 8.6 sixth update.
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• 1554[12:49:36] <steakwipe> yep, 9 is coming soon i suppose
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• 1557[12:50:44] <TuxCrazy> when can we get that? I'm excited. Is it going to be a stable release?
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• 1565[12:53:26] <steakwipe> i'm not exactly sure, i run sid
• 1566[12:53:31] <steakwipe> but people are stoked
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• 1568[12:54:05] <zxcvbn> I run FrankenDebian :(
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• 1571[12:54:51] <ungali_mobile> zxcvbn: How did you break it?
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• 1574[12:55:20] <TuxCrazy> ungali_mobile, are you from India?
• 1575[12:55:30] <ungali_mobile> TuxCrazy: Canada
• 1576[12:55:42] <TuxCrazy> ok. Indian origin?
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• 1578[12:56:13] <ungali_mobile> It's a mix of European countries
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• 1582[12:57:43] <zxcvbn> ungali_mobile: stable is a bit outdated, I needed a newer software with easy and fast installation, so I just modified my sources.list
• 1583[12:57:55] <TuxCrazy> are you a person of Indian origin?
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• 1586[12:58:40] <ungali_mobile> zxcvbn: Are you getting error's with apt*, then?
• 1587[12:58:49] <ungali_mobile> *errors
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• 1590[12:59:31] <zxcvbn> ungali_mobile: not at all :) everything is working perfect and i'm very glad.
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• 1592[12:59:48] <ungali_mobile> zxcvbn: Good! I thought you had an issue
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• 1596[13:01:16] <zxcvbn> official way with chrooting or even dockering would be much harder, that is an issue :(
• 1597[13:01:54] <ungali> What software was it, out of curiosity?
• 1598[13:02:19] <zxcvbn> mostly nodejs and php, and newer kernel
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• 1600[13:03:14] <ungali> There weren't backports for those?
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• 1604[13:04:51] <zxcvbn> unfortunately, no :( jessie's nodejs is only 0.10, while stretch's nodejs is 4.6, which seems to be way ahead
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• 1614[13:07:42] <ungali> they changed their versioning from 0.1X to 4.X a while back
• 1615[13:07:49] <ungali> but that's still a giant jump
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• 1669[13:25:26] <HaMsTeRs> hey people, is it possible tuning the scroll speed in lxde?
• 1670[13:25:31] <vkolchev> after update icedove does not crash for me. Now I've got everything I need with Debian)
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• 1672[13:25:53] <HaMsTeRs> i'm using a touchpad, and everytime I scroll a little, it always miss the page I like to read
• 1673[13:26:04] <unborn> vkolchev: same here :)
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• 1675[13:26:18] <vkolchev> unborn, nice)
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• 1678[13:28:31] <unborn> vkolchev: I mean my awesome debian was working perfectly even before but when using it as email client and as rss reader as well.. sometimes while I was going via rss news - it crashed... since last update - is rock solid for me :)
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• 1682[13:29:47] <vkolchev> unborn, of course, I don't use Debian for reading emails only, but this is a heavy part of my day unfortunately, and despite claws-mail I haven't fount any good alternatives in repo
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• 1693[13:32:56] <unborn> vkolchev: rainloop :)
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• 1698[13:33:39] <unborn> vkolchev: local apache install would do.. or perhaps if you run your own host - its working.. its basically email client in php..
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• 1701[13:33:50] <unborn> smtp and pop supported
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• 1704[13:34:35] <unborn> for contacts you can use txt file db.. i mean sqlite or proper mysql.. but for email readings this should work for you..
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• 1708[13:36:23] <__0> wnna full ipv4 stack in 8.6.0
• 1709[13:36:54] <__0> can you?
• 1710[13:37:06] <jelly> __0: what is missing?
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• 1712[13:37:27] <unborn> __0: what you need or lets say in better question.. whats missing?
• 1713[13:37:32] <jelly> __0: what's your native language?
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• 1718[13:39:06] <vkolchev> uborn, worth a look, really)
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• 1724[13:41:33] <unborn> vkolchev: sure
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• 1726[13:41:51] <vkolchev> unborn, thanks a lot, will try it)
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• 1730[13:42:19] <unborn> vkolchev: its jut php.. if you not happy, just remove the folder and use your own thingy ;)
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• 1732[13:43:12] <jelly> dpkg, tell __0 about ask
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• 1734[13:44:39] <unborn> vkolchev: what you should realised its something like icedove but in php. there is no rss yet or perhaps I missed that in confis but it is well stable and well good.. I use that as fallback to my native email client - on mobile - as I do not like battery drains - simple browser will work :)
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• 1737[13:45:29] <vkolchev> unborn, basically, I do not need RSS, what i need is POP3 capability and ability to use my own server with it
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• 1740[13:46:31] <unborn> vkolchev: yap, it will work for you.. I use this as fall back to my own icedove - back in times it was crashing on me.. emails would work perfectly
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• 1742[13:47:16] <unborn> vkolchev: just try it :) btw I am no way associate with them.. just telling you my solution really.
• 1743[13:47:47] <unborn> ...its open source - means good for me
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• 1745[13:48:00] <vkolchev> unborn, great, will setup and look into it! Thanks again, really appreciated. Everybody is very responsive and willing to help. Great comminity. Appreciate this as well.
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• 1748[13:48:47] <unborn> vkolchev: sure, please be welcomed in awesome debian :)
• 1749[13:49:36] <vkolchev> unborn, thank you. I've been here long time before, using Etch, but this has been long ago)
• 1750[13:49:46] <vkolchev> unborn, nice to be back, anyways
• 1751[13:51:35] <unborn> vkolchev: well I use awesome debian from 6 officially on my servers.. I was gentoo then ubuntu then mint and then ubuntu again an then debian.. due to my stupidity you know.. :)
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• 1753[13:52:15] <unborn> now im awesome debian everywhere
• 1754[13:52:17] <__0> anyone implement full ipv4 stack or ?
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• 1756[13:52:45] <unborn> __0: solution was provided.. are you spammer or something?
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• 1759[13:53:52] <unborn> __0: - please post your post to main channel.. do not pm me.
• 1760[13:53:55] <vkolchev> unborn, really, I was distro hopping a lot, tried almost all major linux distros, including Gentoo, but it is time consuming for me, as my CPU is not that great) Used to use Arch lately, works not bad, but it is good for a person who wants bleeding edge and willing to spend time configuring something from time to time. Now I devote more time to work and would like to configure it 1 time, not really care about version numbers or extra
• 1761[13:53:55] <vkolchev> features, since I have enough for me to work
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• 1768[13:56:42] <aZz7eCh> hi #debian. have a question i'm hoping theres some obvious suggestions to a solution.. my main desktop is deb 8 jessie. i have folders shared from here, such as my music videos etc.. so that I can stream them from otehr machines/devices in the house. next .. i have a server i built some time back to run raid1 hdds as our storage locally - its all it does. its running deb 8 jessie (lite install - no gui). this, has many samba folder shares also
• 1769[13:56:42] <aZz7eCh> obviously. okay so thats our setup ... heres the issue...
• 1770[13:56:49] <unborn> vkolchev: yeah.. beauty of gentoo is you have to do it all manually but again awesome debian will let you do this in same manner - the difference is docs and - it actually works! I like arch too coz they have all docs designed to make your issue go away.. actually arch is pretty great.. sometimes I wish awesome debian docs writes would be distro friendly same as arch..
• 1771[13:57:00] <aZz7eCh> from any machine or device, if we browse to the shares from my desktop here, you get straight to it.
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• 1776[13:58:05] <aZz7eCh> with the server i built some time back... every single time you browse to anywhere on it, it brings up a credentials dialog. doesn't matter if you browse to it from my main desktop here, or openelec, or a tablet ... it will come up wanting credentials. now, thing is - credentials are already saved on all devices, so if you just cancel, and browse again, you get in without an issue.
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• 1778[13:58:10] <aZz7eCh> what........ would be causing this maybe ?
• 1779[13:58:12] <moonpunter> Hello
• 1780[13:58:17] <jelly> unborn: no solution was provided... because there's no actual question that __0 asked
• 1781[13:58:20] <moonpunter> So I run a 64-bit system like most people
• 1782[13:58:51] <moonpunter> But I've found xfce4-terminal hasn't been running, finally got around to trying to fix it... and aptitude why-not says it will conflict an i386 version of the same program
• 1783[13:58:52] <unborn> jelly: its spam b0t....
• 1784[13:59:11] <moonpunter> So I'm really wondering... should I just apt-get remove *:i386
• 1785[13:59:17] <moonpunter> I haven't a clue why these packages are here
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• 1789[13:59:51] <jelly> unborn: could be. I told them in PM to go to the russian channel, in the vain hopes they write russian better than they write english
• 1790[14:00:01] <jelly> IP address is Ukrainian
• 1791[14:00:28] <vkolchev> unborn, really, my machine for Gentoo is in the middle) little bit too slow to compile (time consuming) and too fast to see great productivity increase)
• 1792[14:00:52] <unborn> jelly: thats why I like you.. same here - I send it couple of questions - bot was reply to me rubbish - so its not human..
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• 1794[14:01:06] <unborn> i mean you could see it your self
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• 1796[14:01:43] <unborn> vkolchev: that is why I am pure awesome debian now :)
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• 1798[14:02:07] <jelly> unborn: there's a LITTLE method behind all the noise... maybe
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• 1805[14:04:14] <unborn> jelly: sure, but as we are humans, we interactive - programs not.. give it out the question like you would do to your mate or your wife - if reply does not make sense on irc - its bot
• 1806[14:04:33] <unborn> - of just flood it :) - you will see nice response
• 1807[14:04:34] <manuelschneid3r> are ubuntu ppas ubuntu specific or can I tell my users to get the package from the ppa?
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• 1809[14:04:45] <petn-randall> !ppa
• 1810[14:04:46] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
• 1811[14:04:49] * moonpunter gets popcorn
• 1812[14:04:54] <abrotman> manuelschneid3r: they may or may not work, they're not supported by us, and may break things badly
• 1813[14:04:57] <unborn> manuelschneid3r: sorry we do not use ppas.. security risk etc..
• 1814[14:05:03] <manuelschneid3r> Context: I am a FOSS dev and sombody else packages the app.
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• 1817[14:05:18] <unborn> manuelschneid3r: please ask this to ubuntu channels
• 1818[14:05:23] <abrotman> ...
• 1819[14:05:26] <moonpunter> well your best bet is to repackage it and ship
• 1820[14:05:32] <themill> unborn: helpful as ever I see...
• 1821[14:05:32] <abrotman> unborn: Try to read again
• 1822[14:05:53] <themill> manuelschneid3r: they aren't designed to be compatible so if it works, it's more or less by accident.
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• 1824[14:06:12] <moonpunter> i have a box i do this kind of dirty stuff to all the time
• 1825[14:06:16] <moonpunter> before i will do it in production
• 1826[14:06:18] <manuelschneid3r> okay then packaging a deb file is a better idea?
• 1827[14:06:24] <abrotman> manuelschneid3r: If your associate would like to specifically package it for Debian, there are folks that can help get it into Debian
• 1828[14:06:26] <moonpunter> grab their sources, package it yourself, yeah
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• 1830[14:06:33] <moonpunter> because if they change something for ubuntu, your users suffer
• 1831[14:06:40] <manuelschneid3r> And how complicated is it for my collaborator to get the package into the debian repos?
• 1832[14:06:43] <themill> manuelschneid3r: deb is only a file format and you have to build the contents for the release you target
• 1833[14:06:49] <teraflops> …and they will blame you manuelschneid3r
• 1834[14:07:02] <abrotman> manuelschneid3r: "Depends", how complex is the application, etc
• 1835[14:07:02] <themill> manuelschneid3r: what's the package?
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• 1837[14:07:13] <moonpunter> i think if you follow conventions it's no harder than launchpad
• 1838[14:07:33] <unborn> themill: im sorry - but ppa is bad right?
• 1839[14:07:44] <abrotman> unborn: you missed the point of the question
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• 1844[14:08:02] <unborn> abrotman: just doing it.. prehaps I missed the point.. it happens to me a lot
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• 1846[14:08:22] <manuelschneid3r> themill, its a qt app: github.com/albertlauncher/albert.git
• 1847[14:08:28] * unborn I can see it now
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• 1856[14:11:49] <manuelschneid3r> themill, can I package several target versions into one deb or do we have to maintain several debs?
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• 1859[14:12:26] <moonpunter> that's a good question right there
• 1860[14:12:39] <moonpunter> i've monkeyed with launchpad before
• 1861[14:12:43] <moonpunter> and it does that for you
• 1862[14:12:55] <themill> I'd assume compatibility with the particular qt and libstdc++ would mean it was pretty tightly targeted
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• 1864[14:13:02] <moonpunter> never had the arrogance to try and publish amongst debian devs
• 1865[14:14:25] * abrotman hands moonpunter a . and a ,
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• 1872[14:16:30] * themill doesn't understand why you'd maintain something outside Debian like this for years
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• 1877[14:17:39] <manuelschneid3r> Really there shoudl be a UniformLinuxPackageManager that works for all linuzes. And of course a central repo :D Packaging is a real pain on linux.
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• 1888[14:17:46] <moonpunter> go from scratch to packaging debs then, themill
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• 1891[14:17:55] <moonpunter> it's daunting at first if not your priority
• 1892[14:18:09] <themill> the package is pretty well made
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• 1894[14:18:12] <moonpunter> manuel: that's called make
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• 1898[14:18:35] <moonpunter> i'm so intrigued bya ll this snappy talk
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• 1901[14:18:41] <moonpunter> it sounds great to me
• 1902[14:18:48] <moonpunter> maintainers can apparently use github as their source
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• 1905[14:19:02] <moonpunter> bzr is so annoying to me
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• 1907[14:19:24] <moonpunter> it was nice when launchpad started allowing git, or maybe they always did
• 1908[14:19:28] * themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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• 1912[14:19:58] <moonpunter> yeah well i came here on-topic, and now i'm just going off the rails and did execute that *:i386 command
• 1913[14:20:09] <unborn> moonpunter: I use git as well.. but yet I was unable to cone all repos... for offline usage etc... so - not very true
• 1914[14:20:12] <moonpunter> i think skype was the problem
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• 1916[14:20:39] <moonpunter> unborn: confusing me
• 1917[14:20:49] <unborn> moonpunter: with?
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• 1920[14:21:34] <moonpunter> unable to clone all repos? idk the context here
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• 1984[14:51:00] <ghormoon> hi, is there any sort of tracking of CVEs for squeeze? I need a hammer for not using it, I already have usable priviledge escalation, but I need some remote code execution too :)
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• 1986[14:51:18] <ghormoon> (i.e. it needs to be in something used on that box :))
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• 2011[15:04:48] <abrotman> ghormoon: the tracker of doom perhaps? debsecan ?
• 2012[15:04:55] <abrotman> dpkg: tell ghormoon about debsecan
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• 2016[15:05:41] <ghormoon> hm, if debsecan works on squueze too it might give a hint, thanks
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• 2018[15:05:50] <ghormoon> I'm now scanning though the cves manually
• 2019[15:06:05] <abrotman> That sounds like an intern task!
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• 2021[15:06:45] <ghormoon> nah, I just got a thing to install and gund out it's not debian 6
• 2022[15:06:52] <ghormoon> s o I need a reson to throw it out :)
• 2023[15:06:59] <ghormoon> *it's on debian 6
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• 2051[15:18:28] <peeenis> hi spb now u are stalking me with OPERSPY?
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• 2053[15:18:46] <peeenis> or how you see what chans i am in to follow me here? arent i umode +i?
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• 2059[15:19:56] <peeenis> !ops | dick l
• 2060[15:19:56] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peeenis complains about: | dick l
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• 2063[15:20:11] <Vizva> <peeenis> its offtopic and your nick is this for to show that you a male?
• 2064[15:20:22] <Vizva> youre
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• 2073[15:25:56] <hybridark> Hi guys, I'm creating a debian package
• 2074[15:26:14] <hybridark> where do I tell which files I don't want to be deleted when I apt-get remove package ?
• 2075[15:26:36] <hybridark> for example some config files I'd like to keep for a future install
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• 2077[15:27:44] <petn-randall> !conffile
• 2078[15:27:44] <dpkg> A conffile is a configuration file that is given special handling by dpkg to help preserve local changes; conffiles are listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$pkg.conffiles or by "dpkg --status $package". See Debian <policy> §10.7 (replaced-url
• 2079[15:28:03] <petn-randall> hybridark: ^^^ that's a starting point, it's probably covered in the Debian policy how to do that.
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• 2083[15:28:51] <hybridark> sure, there are the preinst, postinst, prerm and postrm scripts
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• 2088[15:29:46] <hybridark> conffile, I'll take a look. thanks
• 2089[15:29:49] <Geraldus> Hi folks!
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• 2094[15:30:28] <Geraldus> If I'll build Haskell program under Jessie, will it work on Weezy? I know it's a silly question
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• 2099[15:31:51] <Pavr> why do you think it's silly?
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• 2112[15:34:30] <ghormoon> hm, debsecan fails downloading replaced-url
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• 2120[15:39:44] <Geraldus> Pavr: because I think the short answer is «it depends…», e.g. on libraries agains the program was linked
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• 2122[15:39:54] <Geraldus> But anyway I can't be certain
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• 2124[15:40:37] <ghormoon> hm, i've patched the links to something that looks new server, but it fails to decompress that. damn :)
• 2125[15:41:36] <Geraldus> I have Debian 8 docker image which can be used to build my app, but my VPS target have Wheezy. So it is possible to alter my Dockerfile, I just a bit lazy
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• 2139[15:49:26] <vkolchev> is this normal, that I have different kernel release and kernel version at the same time?) Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2
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• 2153[15:53:56] <nisseni> A friend of mine managed to empty his wp-config file. The only access we have is to a debian server. Is there any possibility that this might be backed up somewhere. I haven't used debian, so I have no idea. Just trying every possibility
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• 2156[15:55:41] <jhutchins> nisseni: Only if someone backed it up.
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• 2160[15:59:09] <jhutchins> nisseni: Usually you only need the DB credentials and maybe the base url.
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• 2164[16:00:08] <nisseni> Yeah, kinda missing out on the db credentials :)
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• 2184[16:05:46] <OliverUK> Hiya, I'm trying to remove the external ntp servers, I have commented them out in /etc/ntp.conf and restarted ntpd with 'sudo service ntp restart' but the output of 'ntpq -p' still shows the two internal ntp servers we have (wanted) and four external ones (unwanted), I am assuming these cannot be removed? TIA
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• 2191[16:06:39] <__0> want to say sorry, i've jerk off and my soul became void, that's why i was too rubbish!if any question you may state that for me now,sorry i ought to go!
• 2192[16:07:27] <__0> jelly sorry!
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• 2205[16:10:45] <moonpunter> ..
• 2206[16:11:00] <moonpunter> __0 who is steve jobs
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• 2211[16:13:50] <jhutchins> OliverUK: Gotta be missing something in the config.
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• 2216[16:15:21] <NoxiousPloK> o.O
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• 2218[16:15:51] <jhutchins> OliverUK: Make sure you get a full stop when you restart it. Shut it down, make sure it's not running, then restart
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• 2224[16:18:54] <jhutchins> OliverUK: One trick is to grep -v "^#" /etc/ntp.conf to strip the comments and make sure you know what's active in the file.
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• 2227[16:18:57] <daemon> hey all I set up a bridge with this guide: replaced-url
• 2228[16:19:01] <daemon> will it be automatically saved on reboot?
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• 2230[16:19:40] <NoxiousPloK> theres an easy way to find out :)
• 2231[16:19:42] <teraflops> daemon: no
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• 2233[16:20:01] <daemon> how do I add that correctly to etc/interfaces
• 2234[16:20:06] <OliverUK> jhutchins: Turns out it was '/var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp' that had been created by DHCP
• 2235[16:20:35] <teraflops> daemon: something like replaced-url
• 2236[16:20:39] <daemon> I tried replaced-url
• 2237[16:20:44] <daemon> but it just did not create the bridge
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• 2248[16:22:06] <teraflops> daemon: why are you using $IFACE there?
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• 2252[16:23:34] <jhutchins> OliverUK: Ah, yeah, a lot of that DHCP extension was never properly documented.
• 2253[16:23:40] <daemon> teraflops, what the guide I was reading said to use
• 2254[16:23:46] <teraflops> daemon: what guide?
• 2255[16:24:15] <daemon> mhmm not sure I had it open when I was first setting it up closed it now as it obviously was not working
• 2256[16:24:29] <daemon> ok apparently 'auto br0' does not create the bridge device
• 2257[16:24:31] <daemon> seems to be the problem
• 2258[16:24:32] <teraflops> daemon: use the one I linked and replaced-url
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• 2261[16:25:58] <OliverUK> jhutchins: Thanks anyway, I appreciate it
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• 2267[16:27:47] <jhutchins> OliverUK: Is that hard-coded, or is it included in ntp.conf?
• 2268[16:27:55] <daemon> teraflops, even with that one it seems it does not want to create the br0 devices
• 2269[16:27:58] <daemon> I can do it manually
• 2270[16:28:02] <daemon> but not via /etc/network/interfaces
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• 2272[16:28:46] <OliverUK> jhutchins: Looks like the ntp.conf file gets copied and amended with DHCP optioned servers
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• 2274[16:29:06] <daemon> replaced-url
• 2275[16:29:08] <daemon> anyone spot a problem?
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• 2295[16:36:07] <teraflops> daemon: lets see
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• 2297[16:36:58] <teraflops> daemon: well, I do a bridge here and it works this way replaced-url
• 2298[16:37:31] <teraflops> appart the openvpn stuff you may use the example for your interfaces
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• 2300[16:37:56] <tdn> I am trying to start the graphical installer via ssh as root (/usr/sbin/debian-installer-launcher). I have X forwarding enabled, but it fails with: (debconf:1291): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:11.0 What to do?
• 2301[16:38:02] <inch> daemon: Why is the broadcast 1.255 when all others are 0.X
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• 2305[16:39:21] <daemon> inch typo
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• 2307[16:39:25] <daemon> but the interface is just not getting created at all
• 2308[16:40:11] <inch> You have "auto lo br0", try "auto lo" and "auto br0"
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• 2310[16:40:31] <inch> Just a guess.
• 2311[16:40:35] <teraflops> tdn: you can install debian through ssh, it has a "continue installation through ssh" or something similar and the interface is fine imo.
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• 2313[16:40:56] <tdn> teraflops, I do not get that message anywhere.
• 2314[16:41:06] <tdn> teraflops, I just booted the livecd and then try to launch the installer
• 2315[16:41:09] <teraflops> tdn: use expert mode
• 2316[16:41:22] <teraflops> or whatever is called
• 2317[16:41:42] <teraflops> i think it's called expert
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• 2320[16:44:33] <tdn> During boot?
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• 2323[16:45:53] <teraflops> tdn: grub's prompt while booting install iso
• 2324[16:46:23] <teraflops> notice install iso is not the same as live iso
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• 2332[16:48:20] <ZonKey> hi all
• 2333[16:48:46] <ZonKey> *sorry for offtopic* can someone help me there? --> " udp_init: Could not resolve 127.0.0.1: getaddrinfo: Address family for hostname not supported"
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• 2337[16:49:52] <ZonKey> Im on raspbian and I need to use a webserver to connect via XMLRPC to Fldigi program...
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• 2345[16:53:46] <ZonKey> E: start: Could not start ARQ server /getaddrinfo: Address family for hostname not supported)
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• 2350[16:55:26] <petn-randall> ZonKey: Unfortunately we don't support raspbian in here, only Debian.
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• 2352[16:55:29] <petn-randall> !raspbian
• 2353[16:55:29] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2354[16:55:46] <ZonKey> thanks
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• 2359[16:56:37] <JyZyXEL> why does /run/user/1000/pulse become owned by root:root in debian jessie when you run Dolphin under root?
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• 2362[16:56:57] <JyZyXEL> it makes pulseaudio stop working for uid 1000
• 2363[16:57:17] <zykotick9> ^ reason #235 not to run GUI apps as root
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• 2365[16:57:33] <JyZyXEL> i ran k4dirstat as root because it had to be
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• 2367[16:57:48] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: when you run dolphin under root or when you tart x as root and then run dolphin?
• 2368[16:57:53] <JyZyXEL> since it needs read access to the whole filesystem
• 2369[16:58:07] <teraflops> start*
• 2370[16:58:09] <JyZyXEL> teraflops: i used kdesudo
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• 2372[16:58:17] <teraflops> ah
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• 2380[17:01:27] <JyZyXEL> and running a filemanager as root is somewhat of a common task is it not
• 2381[17:02:09] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Yes, it's one of the most common ways to screw up your system.
• 2382[17:02:15] <NoxiousPloK> :D
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• 2384[17:02:30] <JyZyXEL> you can not even edit files under /etc/ without root permissions
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• 2386[17:02:38] <JyZyXEL> or read certain log files under /var/log
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• 2388[17:02:56] <JyZyXEL> or access /root/
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• 2390[17:03:00] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Both of which are text based operations that have no GUI requirement.
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• 2394[17:03:16] <NoxiousPloK> normally you should use the path of minimal escalation - to read a log file, only the text editor/reader needs to be root, etc
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• 2396[17:03:46] <NoxiousPloK> its fine to use a GUI text editor obviously if you don't like using a terminal based one - but don't escalate the full file manager as root
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• 2398[17:04:23] <JyZyXEL> why would you even run the text editor as root, all you need root for is the writing and reading of files
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• 2405[17:04:57] <NoxiousPloK> because you want to be able to read / save the file?
• 2406[17:05:04] <JyZyXEL> only that act needs root
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• 2408[17:05:10] <NoxiousPloK> unless the editor has a build in method of escalation
• 2409[17:05:11] <JyZyXEL> not the whole text editor
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• 2411[17:05:12] <NoxiousPloK> then its even less
• 2412[17:05:15] <NoxiousPloK> correct
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• 2414[17:05:20] <NoxiousPloK> not all text editors have that logic tho
• 2415[17:05:28] <JyZyXEL> Kate doesn't have that
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• 2417[17:05:41] <NoxiousPloK> well then you need to run Kate as root in order to edit those files
• 2418[17:05:45] <NoxiousPloK> or use another editor
• 2419[17:05:46] <JyZyXEL> i don't even know if any text editor has that other than Vim
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• 2421[17:06:35] <JyZyXEL> even running Kate under root is stupid in practice because it loads a empty Kate profile
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• 2423[17:07:09] <NoxiousPloK> then why do you run a full file manager as root...
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• 2425[17:07:30] <JyZyXEL> to manage files that are root:root
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• 2427[17:07:46] <NoxiousPloK> right
• 2428[17:07:49] <NoxiousPloK> why not use a terminal?
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• 2430[17:08:38] <JyZyXEL> sometimes its not feasible if there's a lot of manual selecting and moving
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• 2433[17:09:24] <NoxiousPloK> hmm I suppose
• 2434[17:09:31] <NoxiousPloK> I never have to move a lot of root-owned files
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• 2436[17:09:37] <teraflops> lot of manual selecting and moving? as root?
• 2437[17:09:50] <NoxiousPloK> I'd say they should prolly be owned by a user then
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• 2439[17:10:04] <NoxiousPloK> are we talking about htdocs here? :p
• 2440[17:10:12] <JyZyXEL> i've had some pretty complicated configation stuff under /etc/
• 2441[17:10:24] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: coreutils is fine
• 2442[17:10:42] <teraflops> what's wring with using the terminal?
• 2443[17:10:45] <teraflops> wrong*
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• 2445[17:11:08] <JyZyXEL> the point is that things shouldn't break if you run file manager as root
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• 2447[17:11:22] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: The point is that they do.
• 2448[17:11:26] <NoxiousPloK> if you have a lot of custom configuration, why not make them into templates so you can replace the originals with a single copy-action
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• 2450[17:11:41] <JyZyXEL> indeed dolphin does
• 2451[17:11:51] <NoxiousPloK> soooo - contacted the Dolphin team yet?
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• 2454[17:12:22] <jhutchins> NoxiousPloK: I don't think they'd take it seriously, it's been a well-known caution about GUI apps as long as there's been a GUI.
• 2455[17:12:25] <JyZyXEL> k4dirstat should add a root escalation for their file scanning
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• 2457[17:12:45] <JyZyXEL> so you don't need to run the whole thing as root and therefor spawn root owned dolphin and other applications
• 2458[17:12:49] <jhutchins> root is supposed to stay in the console.
• 2459[17:12:53] <teraflops> file a bug I think, try with another one (filemanager), anyway ti does not look a sane way of doing what you want (imho)
• 2460[17:13:09] <teraflops> s/ti/it
• 2461[17:13:49] <NoxiousPloK> good old days when everyone was root
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• 2463[17:14:06] <NoxiousPloK> I broke so many systems by typo
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• 2468[17:16:28] <g0zzy> Is it possible to force the uid and gid of an HFS+ mount (read-only)?
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• 2472[17:18:13] <NoxiousPloK> g0zzy: maybe this is helpful... replaced-url
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• 2475[17:20:51] <g0zzy> NoxiousPloK: Thanks - looking
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• 2477[17:21:05] <NoxiousPloK> good luck :)
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• 2492[17:32:48] <koalu> hi
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• 2495[17:33:34] <koalu> where can I find all patches related to the build of a package ?
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• 2501[17:36:49] <n4dir> if no one answers: i would assume in the debian/directory of a source package. Where else should they be?
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• 2503[17:37:08] <koalu> n4dir: I don't know thats why I'm asking
• 2504[17:37:43] <n4dir> well: i am rather sure, but not sure enough. just download a source package you are sure it has patches and look in the debian directory
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• 2506[17:38:14] <g0zzy> -rw------- 1 501 dialout 820871 Jul 29 04:32 /tmp/jake-from-disk/DOCS/Pictures/2016-07-29 04.32.02.jpg
• 2507[17:38:26] <koalu> n4dir: ok thx I'm checking (its not a light package)
• 2508[17:38:27] <g0zzy> in the above is 501 a name or a number?
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• 2513[17:39:25] <n4dir> koalu: if it ain't a light package you might also wait for someone who knows for sure. It isn't outstanding difficult, but i don't know it from the top of my head.
• 2514[17:39:37] <zxcvbn> g0zzy: looks like number. you can check twice with 'ls -aln'
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• 2516[17:39:44] <g0zzy> zxcvbn: thanks
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• 2518[17:40:19] <koalu> n4dir: ok, I understand but I'm downloading it to check maybe you are right
• 2519[17:40:31] <n4dir> okay. have fun, good luck.
• 2520[17:40:46] <g0zzy> zxcvbn: so my objective is now to create a user with that number. That's feasible is it not?
• 2521[17:40:55] <koalu> n4dir: :)
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• 2527[17:43:21] <zxcvbn> g0zzy: on my debian stable, 'adduser 999' returned an error, but 'useradd 999' worked ok. i've got user with name 999 and uid 1004
• 2528[17:43:47] <SuperNull> uhg guys, i need to get grep to pull data between two HTML tags with new line separating them ..
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• 2532[17:44:27] <n4dir> koalu: perhaps this is interesting for you: replaced-url
• 2533[17:44:29] <jhutchins> SuperNull That doesn't sound like grep.
• 2534[17:44:36] <SuperNull> jhutchins: perhaps...
• 2535[17:44:37] <SuperNull> lel
• 2536[17:44:58] <SuperNull> jhutchins: what do you suggest ?
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• 2540[17:46:53] <kriol> Hi, I'm searching for make version 2 deb package, where can i download it?
• 2541[17:47:10] <zxcvbn> SuperNull: is new line symbol important? you can strip all newlines and make all HTML in one line and grep data from one line
• 2542[17:47:37] <n4dir> grep -A 3 <pattern_first_line> | grep <pattern_second_line> That?
• 2543[17:48:07] <SuperNull> i tried doing a tr "\n" "|" to make it one line but .. it seems like its not working heh. let me try again
• 2544[17:48:37] <n4dir> loos like that, SuperNull, give it a try
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• 2548[17:49:19] <koalu> n4dir: thx I'm reading
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• 2550[17:49:28] <g0zzy> Got it
• 2551[17:49:56] <SuperNull> w t f i got it. ty.
• 2552[17:50:24] <artchiba> Hi all. Is it a bug or a feature that if you put ipv4 before ipv6 in /etc/network/interfaces there is no ipv6 configured after reboot?
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• 2555[17:51:34] <kriol> Hi, I'm searching for make version 2 deb package, where can i download it? I need this in order to compile kernel version linux-2.6.24 from kernel.org
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• 2567[17:54:08] <n4dir> ist it possible to use debootstrap on non-debian-distros?
• 2568[17:54:48] <petn-randall> n4dir: Some ship it, yes.
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• 2570[17:55:29] <zxcvbn> n4dir: i used it for ubuntu
• 2571[17:55:33] <n4dir> slackbuilds offers it, but fails to build. grml. I was hoping i could just download and use it (somehow)
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• 2573[17:55:45] <petn-randall> n4dir: grml is another distro ;)
• 2574[17:56:08] <n4dir> well: that debian-based distros have it seems obvious. I should have asked more clearly.
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• 2576[17:56:37] <n4dir> i like grml quite a lot, on a site note, but last release is ages ago (?)
• 2577[17:56:56] <jhutchins> Is there an option to automatically accept host keys when connecting to a new server?
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• 2586[17:57:58] <zxcvbn> kriol: are you sure you need make v2? debian etch was using kernel 2.6.24, but with make v3
• 2587[17:59:15] <han-solo> yes | ... :}
• 2588[17:59:20] <han-solo> sory, kiddin'
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• 2592[18:00:35] <kriol> zxcvbn i tried v 3.81 and cthe make file returned a lot of warnings
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• 2595[18:01:01] <kriol> and a fatal error
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• 2597[18:01:31] <kriol> help
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• 2602[18:02:51] <zxcvbn> maybe that error was not about version
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• 2606[18:04:42] <kriol> i'm trying to download debian 6 wich contains linux kernel 2.6.24
• 2607[18:04:49] <KnightsWhoSayNi> jhutchins: if you really must and understand the security repercussions, use the StrictHostKeyChecking option of the SSH client
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• 2610[18:05:17] <sruli> petn-randall: the bin/bash wrapper i made yesterday worked only the first time, since then everytime i boot to /bin/bash i get a kernel panic "cpu 0 pid 1 comm bash not tainted..." and the system hangs, can you think of what might cause it?
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• 2620[18:07:35] <jhutchins> KnightsWhoSayNi: Thx, got that. Was hoping for a short option, but eh.
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• 2625[18:07:52] <zxcvbn> kriol: debian 6 was using kernel 2.6.32. old mirrors are here: replaced-url
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• 2630[18:08:01] <jhutchins> I could put it in the config file, but I use several different clients.
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• 2641[18:09:06] <kriol> zxcvbn which version i should use ?
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• 2645[18:09:24] <petn-randall> sruli: Isn't it supposed to be a one-shot thing, anyway?
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• 2652[18:10:04] <sruli> petn-randall: its supposed to sit idle until i need it! testing it now in case i ever need it
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• 2667[18:11:57] <zxcvbn> kriol: debian 4 etch = 2.6.24, debian 5 lenny = 2.6.26, debian 6 squeeze = 2.6.32
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• 2679[18:15:39] <sruli> petn-randall: any ideas? else i will try with systemd service, what should be the "target" for the service? (booting in single user mode)
• 2680[18:16:31] <petn-randall> sruli: Hard to say since I haven't seen the wrapper you wrote, the grub config you added, nor the complete error message you got.
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• 2682[18:17:08] <sruli> petn-randall: wrapper is pretty simple, will paste those.. few min
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• 2684[18:18:37] <kriol> zxcvbn I'm trying it now, thank you =)
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• 2687[18:20:28] <zxcvbn> kriol: i just tried to debootstrap debian etch to check things, but that mirror is slow :(
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• 2691[18:21:31] <Iridos> I have a pdf document with a lot of offers, one per page… what would be the software to delete pages from the document of things that are not interesting, to get down from ~40 pages to maybe 5
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• 2699[18:26:16] <koalu> package-version-*.debian.tar.xz contains all patches for the specified package. But I can't find the corresponding package for a different architecture (armhf).
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• 2703[18:28:39] <jhutchins> Iridos: The PDF system is designed for you to edit the master document and produce PDFs that are unalterable.
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• 2705[18:28:52] <Iridos> to answer myself, it seems "pdfmod" was exactly what I looked for
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• 2707[18:29:21] <jhutchins> Iridos: There are ways to alter the PDF file, but different files require different methods. Glad you found one that works for yours.
• 2708[18:29:46] <jhutchins> Iridos: On some of them it's just markup, so you can go in and edit the content with a text editor.
• 2709[18:30:25] <Iridos> oh, I knew pdfjam or so can do it… or you can print selected pages as PDF… but I needed something more interactive so I can skim over it and do a first go of deleting things I don't want to even look closer at
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• 2711[18:31:05] <sruli> petn-randall: wrapper is replaced-url
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• 2715[18:35:25] <petn-randall> sruli: Try not using a /bin/bash wrapper, but just executing the script with "init=/path/to/script".
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• 2717[18:36:44] <Iridos> yeah, *sigh* maybe it's not what I looked for because it's wildly duplicating stuff
• 2718[18:36:51] <Iridos> s/stuff/pages/
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• 2724[18:39:15] <Iridos> petn-randall, removing pages should be trivial…
• 2725[18:39:18] <Iridos> it's just buggy :(
• 2726[18:40:11] <sruli> petn-randall: that does execute it but i get kernel panic at the end replaced-url
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• 2731[18:42:34] <koalu> hmm
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• 2742[18:48:34] <sruli> petn-randall: does seem to work now, will try another few hundred times to make sure ;-) cant have it go wrong when i need it to work
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• 2749[18:50:16] <nedbat> I'm trying to understand how RLIMIT_NPROC affects threads and processes. I had code on Ubuntu 12.04 where it only affected processes, and I can see on 16.04 it limits threads as well. But now I'm getting reports of 12.04 machines where the threads are limited. What is it that changed to make this limit apply to threads? How can I get to the bottom of this?
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• 2752[18:51:22] <pimpkin> hey, does anyone ever tried to install debian on a eMac?
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• 2756[18:51:46] <petn-randall> nedbat: You probably want to ask in #ubuntu.
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• 2762[18:52:34] <nedbat> petn-randall: i thought this would be at a lower level shared across debians, but i could easily be wrong. (and frankly, i've not had good luck there in the past, and was hoping this channel would be more fruitful)
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• 2776[18:58:44] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
• 2777[18:58:44] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 2778[18:59:00] <petn-randall> nedbat: We don't support other distros in here for a number of technical and social reasons.
• 2779[18:59:14] <nedbat> petn-randall: ok, thanks
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• 2781[18:59:34] <nkuttler> hrm, how can i configure the look of notifications? do gnome/kde have tools for that, or are there stand-alone tools?
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• 2784[19:00:07] <nkuttler> ah, never mind, i have an xfce tool installed
• 2785[19:00:15] <greycat> GNOME and KDE share basically nothing at all. They're built on totally different libraries.
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• 2800[19:07:19] <n4dir> you say systemd doesn't do that? weird ... but soon to come ...
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• 2805[19:08:31] <petn-randall> Sending cheap shots at systemd is sooo 2016.
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• 2808[19:08:54] <petn-randall> n4dir: dbus has the notification part covered on most DEs.
• 2809[19:09:27] <n4dir> i used libnotify-bin, but it doesn't seem to exist anmyore (or i recall the name incorrect)
• 2810[19:09:58] <n4dir> nothing cheap about it, btw. for a lot of questions todays answer will be: systemd does it too. just a fact
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• 2812[19:10:13] <n4dir> set date, etc.
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• 2815[19:10:53] <petn-randall> n4dir: /can/ do it. It's mostly relevant for embedded systems, though. For any other cases you can still use ntpd, rsyslog, etc.
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• 2817[19:11:38] <n4dir> i didn't say you can't do it by other means.
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• 2826[19:15:29] <mandeep> hi all. i recently installed debian but can't boot since i need firmware-linux-nonfree. how do i get into a shell in order to install the pkg via apt?
• 2827[19:15:33] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 2830[19:17:01] <zxcvbn> mandeep: that package is not usually needed for boot. can you boot into 'recovery mode' from boot menu?
• 2831[19:17:51] <mandeep> zxcvbn: nope i get an error saying cannot open access to console, the root account is locked
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• 2834[19:18:58] <n4dir> weird enough. You could try chroot.
• 2835[19:19:00] <n4dir> !crhoot
• 2836[19:19:06] <n4dir> !chroot
• 2837[19:19:06] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 2838[19:19:18] <zxcvbn> 0_o
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• 2840[19:19:43] <n4dir> i sure wouldn't know why missing firmware-nonfree should make that happen. but anyway
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• 2842[19:20:12] <greycat> It's not clear to me what zxcvbn is seeing, or why he thinks he needs firmware-nonfree when there is nothing about that in the error message that he claims to see.
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• 2846[19:21:37] <mandeep> greycat: when i try to boot normally i get the error: error radeon kernel modesetting for r600 requires firmware-linux-nonfree
• 2847[19:21:51] <zxcvbn> mandeep: you can also try edit menu boot string, press 'e' and replace boot options with 'init=/bin/sh', if you know where to type it. then boot into shell, remount root fs in r/w mode and set root password. also you can install required package after manual network setup
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• 2849[19:22:05] <greycat> sorry, zxcvbn. wrong nick.
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• 2851[19:22:25] <tdn> I just installed debian8 from the livecd and set up encrypted volume and inside that create a lvm vg and inside that an lv for root. I also created a plain text partition with etx2 and mountpoint /. Then finished installation. When booting, it fails, saying: Gave up waiting for root device. ALERT! /dev/mapper/malbec-vg-root does not exist. Then I get a very limited busybox shell. What went wrong?
• 2852[19:22:27] <mandeep> zxcvbn: how would i do it after manual network setup?
• 2853[19:22:30] <greycat> mandeep: Can you simply press Ctrl-Alt-F2 and get a text console? And then install stuff there?
• 2854[19:22:34] <mandeep> let me see
• 2855[19:22:40] <tdn> I actually tried doing the installation two times and the same thing happened both times
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• 2858[19:23:35] <n4dir> tdn: if it was me i would use a normal installation medium, pick lvm and let the partitioner do it automatically (including the encrpytion).
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• 2862[19:24:17] <tdn> n4dir, yeah, that is not an option although I would prefer it. If I let the partitioner do it automatically, it uses the entire disk. And it is NOT supposed to do that.
• 2863[19:24:19] <mandeep> neither alt f2 nor ctrl alt f2 take me anywhere
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• 2865[19:24:47] <greycat> OK, then the next thing I would try is booting in "recovery mode" or "single user mode" or whatever it's called this month.
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• 2868[19:24:52] <n4dir> tdn: i would be astonished if the partitioner can't do that, but i am not sure.
• 2869[19:25:14] <mandeep> greycat: that's where i get the error cannot open access to console, root account is locked
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• 2871[19:25:34] <zxcvbn> mandeep: ctrl + alt + f1 should work when loaded in usual mode. google says, rescue mode 'root account locked' happens when you had not set root password during install
• 2872[19:25:35] <greycat> mandeep: ... you are not using Debian, are you. You're using Ubuntu.
• 2873[19:25:49] <mandeep> no it's debian
• 2874[19:25:53] <mandeep> zxcvbn: yeah that may be it
• 2875[19:26:07] <greycat> I can't imagine how you got a "locked root account" using the Debian stable installer.
• 2876[19:26:12] <mandeep> testing
• 2877[19:26:18] <greycat> !debian-next
• 2878[19:26:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2879[19:26:23] <mandeep> it's locked
• 2880[19:26:29] <greycat> read the last sentence
• 2881[19:26:39] <zxcvbn> mandeep: if you loaded into console by using init=/bin/sh parameter, you should be able to set root password or install package as usual (apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree) after manual network setup
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• 2883[19:26:58] <mandeep> oops
• 2884[19:27:22] <mandeep> zxcvbn: thanks
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• 2916[19:48:08] <Guest82111> hello
• 2917[19:49:24] <Guest82111> can you print a text file with a different font than the default one displayed by console?
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• 2919[19:49:52] <greycat> you can open an X terminal with a different font, and then cat the file inside that terminal...
• 2920[19:50:29] <Guest82111> have changed the resolution of the tty and font of the tty but it does not work
• 2921[19:50:48] <greycat> if you mean "on the linux text console" then I don't know off hand... maybe try "man setfont" but I've never used it
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• 2923[19:51:21] <Guest82111> Is for printing by printer
• 2924[19:51:41] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2931[19:53:44] <Curtan> join #ircd
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• 2935[19:54:29] <phogg> Guest82111: it would depend on how you're printing
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• 2937[19:54:40] <akk> Does debian have a public repo viewer where I can view recent diffs to a package?
• 2938[19:54:59] <Guest82111> With setfont only change the letter font of the console but does not print by printer
• 2939[19:54:59] <akk> I'm hitting a bug with recent grep changes, finally have it pinned down to where in the file (but not why)
• 2940[19:55:15] <akk> and want to know how it changed recently. The changelogs aren't specific enough.
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• 2942[19:55:36] <greycat> Guest82111: nothing you see on the screen has *anything at all* to do with how your printer operates.
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• 2945[19:56:11] <jaggz> how do I know if my system already has this driver in it or not? rtl8712_8188_8191_8192SU_usb_linux_v2.6.6.0.20120405.tar.gz
• 2946[19:56:29] <jaggz> it's a rosewill usb wifi antenna thingamabobber
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• 2949[19:56:54] <n4dir> Guest82111: as already mentioned, setfont, like: setterm -foreground red store ?
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• 2951[19:57:10] <n4dir> there is always lolcat, for more funny output :-)
• 2952[19:57:11] <jaggz> they have this in a driver download on their page .. just don't want to go through all the trouble of compiling/installing it if it's included in me debian now
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• 2960[19:59:11] <Guest82111> ok
• 2961[19:59:40] <n4dir> ah, duh. i read about changed color, sorry Guest82111 (as far as changing the size: i always failed with it on debian. with framebuffer it worked, but that is said to be out of date and no done by other tools)
• 2962[20:00:16] <greycat> (And still, what you see on the screen has *nothing at all* to do with what you see on paper when you send a file to the printer.)
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• 2993[20:12:09] <careta> anyone else getting this endor_ruby/httpclient/session.rb:751:in `connect': Object#timeout is deprecated, use Timeout.timeout instead. when running aptitude?
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• 3004[20:16:10] <LinuxGuy> hello, I am a Linux beginner. I bought a new laptop today. It has Intel Core i3 2.0 Ghz cpu, 4 gb ram and 1TB HDD. Which distro is suitable for me?
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• 3008[20:16:44] <greycat> Stable. Probably with nonfree firmware because laptop.
• 3009[20:16:49] <dontknow> every one of them
• 3010[20:17:02] <greycat> !firmware images
• 3011[20:17:02] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 3015[20:17:51] <n4dir> Gentoo probably ain't the best choice. Arch i don't know, might be not suitable too. Besides the obscure ones all should be useful (and in a debian channel folks will obviously recommend debian, duh)
• 3016[20:18:01] <LinuxGuy> ok. Is this a stable version?
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• 3018[20:18:22] <Cpuroast> quick question, is there a list of all packages that get installed by default?
• 3019[20:19:18] <greycat> "default" is kind of a vague word... if you uncheck everything but standard during the install, you get all of the packages with priority "required" and "standard"
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• 3021[20:19:38] <Cpuroast> ok
• 3022[20:19:40] <greycat> but you can also uncheck standard...
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• 3025[20:20:00] <Cpuroast> when I install debian, I do a netinstall with standard + SSH
• 3026[20:20:04] <Cpuroast> nothing else
• 3027[20:20:15] <greycat> Sensible.
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• 3030[20:20:41] <Cpuroast> it's that list of packages which standard includes
• 3031[20:20:45] <Cpuroast> which I'd like to see
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• 3034[20:21:30] <Cpuroast> specifically if apt-transport-https is installed by default
• 3035[20:21:34] <greycat> uh... maybe something like aptitude search '~pstandard' ?
• 3036[20:21:41] <LinuxGuy> thank you.
• 3037[20:21:42] <jer0me> LinuxGuy: is it your main machine for every day use, or a test machine to try and learn?
• 3038[20:21:43] <n4dir> as far i can tell standard is not a base installation, but additional packages to the "base".
• 3039[20:21:53] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ apt-cache show apt-transport-https | grep Priority
• 3040[20:21:53] <greycat> Priority: optional
• 3041[20:21:56] <LinuxGuy> it is my main machine.
• 3042[20:22:02] <Cpuroast> thought so
• 3043[20:22:15] <Cpuroast> there's a guy who manages a repo for his app
• 3044[20:22:21] <n4dir> you will need to find the aptitude foo for what is listed here: replaced-url
• 3045[20:22:22] <LinuxGuy> main machine for home and office use.
• 3046[20:22:27] <Cpuroast> and he recently switched to sourceforge redirection
• 3047[20:22:28] <greycat> https sickness is one of the major diseases of 2016
• 3048[20:22:34] <n4dir> wiki.debian has an entry, but i can never find it ...
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• 3051[20:22:37] <Cpuroast> and I'm getting failed installs
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• 3054[20:22:43] <Cpuroast> because of these https redirections
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• 3057[20:23:00] <LinuxGuy> I will go for Debian Stable Jessie.
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• 3059[20:23:08] <Cpuroast> so I talk to him, and he's like what? https isn't installed by default on Debian ?
• 3060[20:23:19] <greycat> Correct.
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• 3062[20:23:39] <Cpuroast> yeah, I'll inform him of this
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• 3070[20:24:54] <TomTomTosch> aptitude search '~prequired | ~pimportant | ~pstandard'
• 3071[20:25:08] <Cpuroast> right
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• 3074[20:25:21] <TomTomTosch> both required and important are part of the base system. standard only if you selected it in the installer.
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• 3076[20:25:28] <Cpuroast> I'll keep that in mind for next time
• 3077[20:25:31] <greycat> Oh, sorry, I forgot "important".
• 3078[20:25:40] <n4dir> perhaps this: tasksel --task-packages standard ; from here: replaced-url
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• 3080[20:25:44] <gspr> If I understand replaced-url
• 3081[20:25:57] <greycat> But the real question was that one package, and that's been answered.
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• 3083[20:26:00] * n4dir too slow, too old ...
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• 3087[20:26:27] <TomTomTosch> oh, right. didn't follow too closely. ^^
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• 3109[20:33:09] <akk> Is there an argument to reportbug to force it to use the commandline?
• 3110[20:33:20] <akk> In the past it always has, but now it's dying with: ImportError: bad magic number in 'webbrowser': b'\x03\xf3\r\n'
• 3111[20:33:24] <akk> (on testing)
• 3112[20:33:51] <greycat> Let me guess. Another stretch user.
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• 3114[20:34:13] <akk> yeah. And I just noticed there's a new package, so I'll try updating.
• 3115[20:34:29] <akk> But it would still be useful to know a commandline way, in case I ever need to do this over an ssh link or something.
• 3116[20:35:29] <akk> Nope, even after apt-get dist-upgrade, reportbug grep still dies with that webbrowser error.
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• 3118[20:36:31] <akk> Is there a workaround?
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• 3129[20:39:36] <akk> Oh, looks like I should be in #debian-next for that, sorry, thought that was just for sid.
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• 3133[20:40:34] <Sc882k1> hello world
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• 3135[20:41:19] <tomcres> hello sc882k1
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• 3146[20:45:38] <Sc882k1> i'm with trouble to disable X in debian
• 3147[20:45:53] <greycat> !nodm
• 3148[20:45:53] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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• 3154[20:46:23] <greycat> I think there's also some systemd crap command but the bot doesn't know it, so it can't be important.
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• 3157[20:46:34] <gspr> Sorry for repeating myself, but I think I'm phrasing it better this time: If one's regenerates configure at al. (as recommended by replaced-url
• 3158[20:46:36] <tomcres> lol
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• 3232[21:19:29] <Sc882k1> thank you
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• 3237[21:20:28] <Sc882k1> quit
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• 3247[21:24:50] <Sc882k1> abc
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• 3263[21:30:51] <foreverska> Has anyone ever seen plymouth --show-splash work?
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• 3284[21:39:03] * zykotick9 saw plymouth working around 2010... and hasn't cared much since... the animated squeeze, with the rockets was kinda neat.
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• 3286[21:39:40] <contrapunctus> o/
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• 3298[21:45:40] <contrapunctus> I looked around for ways to make a persistent Debian live USB, but there seem to be many methods. What's the most definitive, up-to-date way?
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• 3301[21:46:41] <greycat> Just install Debian onto the USB device as if it were a hard drive.
• 3302[21:47:02] <contrapunctus> Oh? o.o
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• 3304[21:47:33] <jhutchins> Sc882k1: With jessie onward you change the default target to multi-user.target in grub.
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• 3307[21:47:57] <contrapunctus> greycat: I don't suppose it'd be wise to do this over the disk I'm live booting from?
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• 3309[21:48:06] <jhutchins> Sc882k1: iirc the syntax is default=multi-user.target
• 3310[21:48:19] <plantfood> systemctl set-default multi-user.target
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• 3312[21:48:28] <plantfood> systemctl get-default
• 3313[21:48:35] <greycat> the "debian live" things are really not very good at anything
• 3314[21:48:41] <jhutchins> contrapunctus: pendrivelinux.com has some discussion on building your own live images with various features.
• 3315[21:48:44] <jhutchins> !live
• 3316[21:48:44] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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• 3321[21:50:14] <contrapunctus> greycat: ouch :\
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• 3327[21:54:02] <contrapunctus> jhutchins: is this a recommended way? replaced-url
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• 3331[21:55:11] <missmbob> contrapunctus: seriously, just install it to the flash drive like it was a hard drive.
• 3332[21:55:37] <contrapunctus> missmbob: okay, trying now
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• 3338[21:56:40] <missmbob> and dont use the live iso when you do that :P
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• 3340[21:57:05] <contrapunctus> wait what. why? :\
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• 3345[21:57:39] <missmbob> live iso has various dumb bugs. like no uefi support. just use the standard install iso
• 3346[21:57:40] <contrapunctus> (and why is this so messy?)
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• 3348[21:58:02] <contrapunctus> okay-o. back to the download stage.
• 3349[21:58:11] <missmbob> there isnt even anyone in charge of debian live. old guy quit about a year ago
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• 3352[21:58:35] <contrapunctus> achso.
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• 3361[22:01:26] <Aven> hi
• 3362[22:01:31] <contrapunctus> hi
• 3363[22:01:41] <Aven> I have a fresh install of Debian and I'm running node listening to port 8000
• 3364[22:02:03] <Aven> is there any configuration that I have to allow it to be accessed by the public?
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• 3366[22:02:27] <Aven> cause node is running on port 8000 annd listening just fine
• 3367[22:02:31] <Aven> on localhost
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• 3370[22:03:05] <greycat> Your computer just needs to be directly on the internet (with a non-private, non-NAT-ed IP address), or your NAT gateway has to port forward 8000 to your PC.
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• 3372[22:03:41] <greycat> Also, your application needs to listen on *all* interfaces, not just on loopback. This is controlled at the application level, not the Debian level.
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• 3374[22:03:56] <Aven> well the app ran fine elsewhere
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• 3376[22:04:07] <Aven> how can I test/debug this?
• 3377[22:04:39] <Aven> i have this: replaced-url
• 3378[22:05:06] <greycat> From another computer on the same LAN, "telnet wherever 8000" and see if it connects.
• 3379[22:05:06] <greycat> Then repeat that from a random computer on the Internet.
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• 3381[22:06:18] <Aven> yeah, I just get Trying... and that's it
• 3382[22:06:25] <Aven> from a different computer and LAN
• 3383[22:06:41] <greycat> Are you doing it by IP address, or by hostname?
• 3384[22:06:57] <greycat> Getting that from the LAN is very weird.
• 3385[22:07:29] <jaggz> anyone know how I get a wifi usb dongle to work? replaced-url
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• 3387[22:07:45] <jaggz> lsusb shows it as
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• 3391[22:07:57] <Aven> greycat: from IP
• 3392[22:08:15] <jaggz> oops.. as 0bda:818b Realtek Semiconductor Corp
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• 3394[22:08:28] <Rubiss> Hi
• 3395[22:08:31] <franzer> jaggz, does it not autodetect it?
• 3396[22:08:38] <jaggz> and my searches show that as using the rtl8192cu
• 3397[22:08:45] <greycat> If you typed "telnet 192.168.1.17 8000" and got a "Trying..." which hangs and does not terminate with either "connected" or "connection refused", then you have a firewall in place that is dropping packets.
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• 3402[22:11:27] <jaggz> franzer, it sees it.. but.. replaced-url
• 3403[22:12:01] <jaggz> I'm not sure what the messages log output means.. using ehci-pci?
• 3404[22:12:19] <franzer> this a server or just like a desktop/laptop?
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• 3406[22:12:32] <jaggz> I don't see a wlan1 now.. I'm trying to use it instead of the old motherboard's onboard wifi
• 3407[22:12:36] <jaggz> desktop
• 3408[22:12:55] <franzer> this might seem like a lame answer, but if you can reboot with it plugged in, try it
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• 3410[22:13:03] <jaggz> rosewill has a download page for their driver.. I got it.. but it's dated 2011 so I figure it might be in in debian already
• 3411[22:13:07] <jaggz> franzer, interesting.. ok
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• 3414[22:13:43] <jaggz> I did modprobe rtl8192cu .. it's now in my modules.. but I don't get a wlan1 .. is there something special to having wlan1 appear?
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• 3417[22:14:18] <jaggz> I'm not sure how the system gets from the usb device recognition stage to showing it as an interface
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• 3422[22:17:53] <franzer> jaggz, i also found this which may be of some use as well
• 3423[22:18:00] <franzer> replaced-url
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• 3434[22:23:04] <jaggz> thanks :)
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• 3445[22:24:40] <ross`> Is it recommended to run sid on a laptop over jessie if I want more modern packages?
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• 3447[22:25:41] <akk> If you can tolerate some instability, things sometimes being broken.
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• 3452[22:26:43] <ross`> ok
• 3453[22:26:47] <akk> Or stretch, if you want a middle ground -- things will still sometimes be broken, but not as often.
• 3454[22:27:01] <ross`> so I switch to sid with a simple sed -e s/jessie/sid/g ?
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• 3456[22:27:17] <teraflops> sid? if you know what are you doing, or want to test things and report bugs
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• 3458[22:28:02] <vkolchev> hi all. For some reason my apps won't autostart with gnome. I use gnome-tweak-tool for one app and /etc/rc.local for another, both do not work. What may I be doing wrong?
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• 3460[22:28:31] <jaggz> franzer, I should try the reboot first.. hmm
• 3461[22:28:38] <akk> ross`: You might want to follow a checklist like replaced-url
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• 3463[22:28:58] <jaggz> franzer, are you familiar with dkms? Once I dkms add ./rtl8192cu-fixes, I can't see how to remove that.. dkms remove requires a module and version
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• 3465[22:29:02] <ross`> This is a fresh install
• 3466[22:29:06] <ross`> shouldn't be much issues
• 3467[22:29:09] <ross`> all I've installed are Xorg and awesome
• 3468[22:29:13] <akk> ross`: In theory, yes, it's just replacing lines in sources.list, in practice if you have local mods things can go wrong.
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• 3471[22:29:37] <akk> But yeah, with a fresh install it should probably go pretty smoothly.
• 3472[22:29:48] <teraflops> vkolchev: why dont you use ~/.config/autostart ? also I dont think /etc/rc.local is the right place for what you want
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• 3474[22:30:22] <ross`> oops, that's strange
• 3475[22:30:25] <jaggz> franzer, n/m.. figured it out.. dkms status shows a list
• 3476[22:30:27] <ross`> somehow I deleted my sources.list
• 3477[22:30:32] <ross`> er nvm
• 3478[22:30:49] <ross`> er nvm nvm I did
• 3479[22:30:57] <vkolchev> teraflops, my .config/autostart contains the app that fails to run on boot. It still does not run, though
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• 3481[22:31:33] <teraflops> vkolchev: then mind specify what kind of _app_ is that?
• 3482[22:31:49] <vkolchev> teraflops, shutter
• 3483[22:32:14] <vkolchev> teraflops, there is shutter.desktop file in .config/autostart
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• 3485[22:32:35] <ross`> for a laptop where I want more packages any suggested keywords that i also add to sources.list
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• 3492[22:33:25] <akk> ross`: I'd start with just the standard debian repos. Then if you need other stuff, add new repos one at a time, only as needed.
• 3493[22:33:26] <greycat> You generally do not add anything to sources.list. Debian has a huge number of packages.
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• 3499[22:34:19] <ross`> The wiki seems to suggest that I should update to testing first and then to unstable
• 3500[22:34:33] <ross`> what exactly should I have in my sources.list for the first upgrade to testing
• 3501[22:34:40] <ross`> and then what should I have for upgrading to unstable
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• 3503[22:34:50] <ross`> having sid security seemed to not work right
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• 3505[22:34:57] <ross`> I just did sed -s /s/jessie/sid/g
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• 3507[22:35:30] <teraflops> vkolchev: does it have to run in background?
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• 3509[22:35:39] <ross`> It can't find stuff for security or updates
• 3510[22:36:21] <teraflops> vkolchev: i have no idea about that tool but they recommend doing replaced-url
• 3511[22:36:54] <vkolchev> teraflops, I just want to start it at boot for me not to start it manually. I don't need to make it default or so, just run it immediately after login.
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• 3517[22:38:43] <akk> ross`: You could try something like replaced-url
• 3518[22:38:44] <dionysus69> how do i start gnome in wayland ?
• 3519[22:39:08] <TomTomTosch> ross`: the security team does not cover unstable and there is no sid-updates
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• 3521[22:39:41] <teraflops> dionysus69: yo do debian jessie?
• 3522[22:39:48] <dionysus69> stretch
• 3523[22:39:53] <ross`> so is stretch what I put in for testing?
• 3524[22:39:59] <ross`> dist-upgrade with stretch in there
• 3525[22:40:01] <dionysus69> please dont redirect me to that channel :D
• 3526[22:40:02] <ross`> and then change to sid?
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• 3528[22:40:26] <dionysus69> stretch is close to stable, so if you want testing, put testing in sources.list
• 3529[22:40:36] <greycat> stretch is NOT CLOSE to stable
• 3530[22:40:46] <ross`> does stretch have updates or security?
• 3531[22:40:51] <dionysus69> its full freeze is in a month isn't it?
• 3532[22:40:54] <greycat> No. It does ont.
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• 3535[22:41:04] <ross`> well..
• 3536[22:41:05] <greycat> !testing security
• 3537[22:41:05] <dpkg> The testing release does not receive full security support until just before release. Up until that time, security updates can take a few days to arrive and will often be new upstream versions which may require you to spend significant time reconfiguring applications. Don't run 'testing' on things where good security support and stability are important. See <moving target>.
• 3538[22:41:12] <ross`> the sid wiki said to go from jessie->testing->sid
• 3539[22:41:17] <ross`> that's why I'm going to stretch and then to sid
• 3540[22:41:21] <ross`> is that incorrect advice?
• 3541[22:41:27] <greycat> ross`: we don't know or care.
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• 3543[22:41:42] <ross`> ..
• 3544[22:41:52] <dionysus69> i would say it doesnt matter, i would go straight to sid, thats what i did on my secondary installation and it went fine
• 3545[22:41:54] <ross`> this is on the debian website
• 3546[22:41:58] <ross`> ok
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• 3548[22:42:00] <teraflops> dionysus69: well then, there is a gnome-wayland entry if you do gdm, right?
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• 3550[22:42:12] <akk> ross`: Admittedly, in the topic here it says to go to #debian-next on oftc for discussions of testing/sid
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• 3552[22:42:20] <teraflops> dionysus69: you click there and cross your fingers I think
• 3553[22:42:21] <ross`> akk: thanks
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• 3555[22:42:29] <dionysus69> where is that entry I am not into deeper system stuff in that way teraflops
• 3556[22:42:35] <akk> ross`: though I didn't have much luck there with my question (on brokenness in stretch).
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• 3575[22:50:55] <nullsign> anyone an authority on dpkg/debsig signing ?
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• 3577[22:51:32] <nullsign> if so - here is the question, why is no-debsig - the default option in dpkg.cfg, and how does one enable debsig checking on a per package basis?
• 3578[22:51:49] <nullsign> trusting a repo is fine, but not the best for security.
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• 3586[22:54:53] <dionysus69> this is confusing. some parts of internet say gnome 3.18+ should use wayland by default but my system is hinting to x11. I dont actually know how to check which one gdm uses?
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• 3588[22:55:16] <greycat> I don't think Debian uses wayland by default for *any* dm.
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• 3590[22:56:02] <mtn> greycat: yes, gnome runs wayland by default in stretch
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• 3592[22:56:16] <greycat> oh, in stretch
• 3593[22:56:30] <mtn> which is debian, right?
• 3594[22:56:37] <greycat> So can we just fucking KICK the stretch users yet? Do we have to continue begging them to leave?
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• 3598[22:56:54] <dionysus69> yes but i am on stretch and echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE shows x11
• 3599[22:57:20] <mtn> dionysus69: there should be two choices in the gdm menu. one for x11 and one for wayland
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• 3601[22:57:30] <dionysus69> sorry :D but i am asking something not unique to stretch, I was just asking how to check which gm I am using :D
• 3602[22:57:38] <greycat> IT IS unique to stretch.
• 3603[22:57:41] <greycat> VERY MUCH.
• 3604[22:57:44] <dionysus69> there is no such thing as gdm menu or at least i dont know
• 3605[22:58:04] <mtn> dionysus69: the login menu, where you type your name/password
• 3606[22:58:18] <dionysus69> sorry greycat :D you are a good person I didn't mean to offend you :D
• 3607[22:58:29] <dionysus69> hopefully you are taking it in a, funny way :P
• 3608[22:58:51] <dionysus69> mtn: nope, i think they removed it. doesnt show up with me
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• 3610[22:59:06] <dionysus69> and i installed gnome from tasksel, its pretty much stock
• 3611[22:59:09] <mtn> dionysus69: you just set it to auto login. logout and you will see the menu
• 3612[22:59:25] <dionysus69> no i dont have it to autologin I have password :D
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• 3614[22:59:38] <mtn> dionysus69: then you see the menu. you can't have it both ways
• 3615[22:59:41] <teraflops> dionysus69: try to tell gdm to use wayland backend
• 3616[22:59:46] <dionysus69> i know what you are talking about, i have seen that menu but on other distributions/versions
• 3617[23:00:00] <dionysus69> teraflops: thats my problem, I dont know how to :D
• 3618[23:00:14] <dionysus69> i just want to test something and revert later
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• 3621[23:00:27] <teraflops> dionysus69: somewhere in /etc/gdm3 ^
• 3622[23:00:36] <akk> How do you start wayland, if you start from a shell environment? The equivalent to startx?
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• 3624[23:00:57] <greycat> Are we officially supporting stretch now?
• 3625[23:00:58] <teraflops> dionysus69: then set: WaylandEnable=true
• 3626[23:01:05] <dionysus69> there's this line in /etc/gdm3/daemon WaylandEnable=false
• 3627[23:01:24] <dionysus69> the commend above says, # Uncoment the line below to force the login screen to use Xorg
• 3628[23:01:33] <dionysus69> which implies it is already set to true by default
• 3629[23:02:08] <teraflops> greycat: not you obv, there's no other stuff going on, and I read here people saying it's not forbidden
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• 3632[23:02:53] <teraflops> maybe I'm wrong, am I,
• 3633[23:03:06] <teraflops> s/,/?
• 3634[23:03:11] <dionysus69> I won't bother you any longer :D i ll go to that weird network called
• 3635[23:03:15] <teraflops> np
• 3636[23:03:21] <dionysus69> irc.oftc.net or something
• 3637[23:03:39] <dionysus69> #debian-next with 100 mostly inactive people in it :D
• 3638[23:04:42] <dionysus69> which is weird because, future* branches of debian would actually need more people in irc channel since there are more problems on them ))
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• 3640[23:05:04] <TomTomTosch> but less people using it.
• 3641[23:05:33] <greycat> I don't even feel like I learned everything about jessie yet, and now people who know bupkiss are already running stretch and feeling entitled to ask questions about it :(
• 3642[23:05:37] <dionysus69> of course but i'd expect all of those users utilizing some kind of communication with other users to troubleshoot
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• 3644[23:07:03] <dionysus69> really, the only reason I went to stretch is it had later version of gnome-shell. but I am trying to stay on stretch until it is not supported, probably in 10 years or something
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• 3646[23:07:27] <TomTomTosch> i don't believe you. ^^
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• 3651[23:08:24] <TomTomTosch> it really makes little sense to use old-stable and beyond as desktop.
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• 3657[23:08:55] <dionysus69> oh i meant not till it is old-stable
• 3658[23:09:04] <dionysus69> until it is phased out as stable
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• 3660[23:09:28] <TomTomTosch> stretch will be old-stable in roughly four years.
• 3661[23:09:30] <dionysus69> thats what i meant by not supported :D
• 3662[23:09:55] <TomTomTosch> and will keep being supported for much longer.
• 3663[23:10:00] <dionysus69> ok then 4 years, let that be :D probably will be the end of my laptop by then so they ll go to grave together xD
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• 3667[23:11:18] <dionysus69> greycat: what do you recommend me to do if I decided to know more than the word you used :D
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• 3695[23:21:32] <ytrezq> Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to use Miracast on Linux replaced-url
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• 3699[23:22:22] <moncrey> Hey there, im on a wild goose chase looking for xorg.conf in debian jessie w GNOME. I created one in /etc/X11/ to configure my thinkpad nub-mouse/wheel, to no avail. anyone aware of the location of the proper config file?
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• 3701[23:23:24] <jhutchins> moncrey: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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• 3704[23:23:57] <moncrey> yep yep. that should be correct huh? it didnt exist so i made it.it must be an issue with the conf file i made.
• 3705[23:24:12] <moncrey> thank you jhutchins. i'll review the conf file i made
• 3706[23:24:32] <jhutchins> moncrey: Readable by all, writable by root, owned by root:root
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• 3708[23:24:44] <moncrey> ah!! of course thanks
• 3709[23:24:55] <jhutchins> moncrey: You can generate an example file by using the --configure switch, then modify it.
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• 3714[23:26:11] <jhutchins> moncrey: sorry, Xorg -configure
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• 3716[23:27:02] <awal1> dionysus69, I don't know which stretch you are using, I have stretch gnome here; gnome isn't the default, chose "gnome on wayland" in gdm3 sessions menu
• 3717[23:27:23] <awal1> gnome on wayland isn't the default ^
• 3718[23:27:46] <dionysus69> weird, menu isnt showing up with me
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• 3720[23:27:57] <dionysus69> but i ll try relogging right now too brb
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• 3722[23:28:26] <teraflops> moncrey: you dont need a xorg.conf file if you dont have one, why not using a snippet inside /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
• 3723[23:29:14] <moncrey> entirely because I dont know the difference, teraflops :)
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• 3725[23:29:59] <jhutchins> moncrey: What is it you're actually trying to do?
• 3726[23:30:34] <moncrey> thinkpad x61, has a nipple-mouse. trying to set up mouse-wheel scrolling behavior.
• 3727[23:30:44] <moncrey> middle mouse plus nub does not currently scroll.
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• 3735[23:32:13] <moncrey> jhutchins & teraflops, the only useful reference I've found so far is here: replaced-url
• 3736[23:32:20] <moncrey> (link to thinkwiki.org)
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• 3738[23:32:39] <ytrezq> Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to use Miracast on Linux replaced-url
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• 3740[23:33:30] <dionysus69> moncrey: i have nipple mouse too xD just add these lines to ~/.profile and do source .profile in terminal
• 3741[23:33:44] <dionysus69> replaced-url
• 3742[23:34:10] <teraflops> moncrey: or replaced-url
• 3743[23:34:11] <moncrey> omg thank you a ton
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• 3745[23:34:32] <moncrey> i'l give it a shot.
• 3746[23:34:51] <teraflops> dionysus69: but he's not using libinput(?)
• 3747[23:35:05] <moncrey> this is true. could i perhaps install a package?
• 3748[23:35:17] <teraflops> dionysus69: remember youre on testing ^
• 3749[23:35:26] <dionysus69> hmm i dont remember what was my case. I probably installed package i guess
• 3750[23:35:36] <dionysus69> I had same setup on stable
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• 3752[23:35:41] <teraflops> ximput is for libinput
• 3753[23:35:44] <dionysus69> I was using jessie for over year
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• 3758[23:37:04] <moncrey> installing it and deps nw
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• 3780[23:44:31] <moncrey> dionysus69: following this stackexchange answer, it says i need to install xserver-xorg-dev. replaced-url
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• 3782[23:44:43] <moncrey> from your experience is that necessary
• 3783[23:44:56] <dionysus69> I dont remember but
• 3784[23:44:58] <dionysus69> do it
• 3785[23:45:06] <dionysus69> it wont hurt :P
• 3786[23:45:19] <moncrey> haha okay. im pretty new to most of this stuff. comfortable with bash but very new to the workings of linux
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• 3788[23:45:35] <moncrey> just dont wanna mess up stuff
• 3789[23:45:41] <dionysus69> actually
• 3790[23:45:45] <dionysus69> i dont have it installed, just checked
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• 3792[23:45:56] <moncrey> okay great wont do it then. thx
• 3793[23:46:32] <n4dir> imho specially debian is rather robust when it comes to package-management. As long no third party apps or repositories are involved
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• 3795[23:46:46] <dionysus69> i have xinput package installed, moncrey did u install it and it doesn't work?
• 3796[23:46:51] <n4dir> install and remove as if there was no tomorrow, never had much problems.
• 3797[23:47:25] <moncrey> havent installed it yet
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• 3799[23:47:27] <dionysus69> ye me neither, package management is great, with one downside, downgrades are pain :D
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• 3802[23:47:36] <dionysus69> moncrey: I think u just need that tbh xD
• 3803[23:47:40] <dionysus69> nothing else
• 3804[23:47:41] <moncrey> ok lol.
• 3805[23:47:58] <dionysus69> since the commands start with xinput xD you know :D
• 3806[23:48:11] <moncrey> so um, regarding package management. i've mostly just used apt-get, but learning about dpkg right now
• 3807[23:48:26] <moncrey> does it matter if i use one or the other?
• 3808[23:48:35] <dionysus69> i am using apt-get all the time, havent used anything else
• 3809[23:48:35] <moncrey> rather stick with apt-get if theres no difference
• 3810[23:48:38] <moncrey> ok
• 3811[23:48:54] <dionysus69> dpkg is for installing already downloaded .deb files as I understand
• 3812[23:48:54] <dpkg> dionysus69: i don't know
• 3813[23:48:56] <dionysus69> like gdebi
• 3814[23:49:10] <moncrey> aha okay good to know :)
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• 3816[23:49:45] <dionysus69> apt-get is similar to aptitude, i dont know the difference, they are for getting packages remotely
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• 3818[23:50:02] <n4dir> dpkg can also give some information, but for installing or removing i hardly ever used it.
• 3819[23:50:02] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, n4dir
• 3820[23:50:09] <n4dir> hurray !
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• 3822[23:50:41] <moncrey> just learned dpkg -s packageName will tell you if its installed
• 3823[23:50:46] <moncrey> which is quite nice
• 3824[23:51:06] <dionysus69> i just do apt-get install package, if its not installed offers me to download :D
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• 3826[23:51:16] <moncrey> ha right of course
• 3827[23:51:20] <dionysus69> well ye i guess thats nice to check which version is sinstalled :D
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• 3829[23:52:02] <akk> aptitude show packagename also shows some good information including whether it's installed.
• 3830[23:52:16] <moncrey> heck yeah, thanks dionysus69, installed xinput and used your .profile changes, ran . .profile and my scroll now works
• 3831[23:52:21] <moncrey> you da best
• 3832[23:52:43] <dionysus69> haha np, thinkpads are the best :D
• 3833[23:53:20] <jaggz> okay.. so I got the supposedly-good driver installed, but my usb wifi dongle still isn't being recognized
• 3834[23:53:20] <moncrey> yes indeed. this is my second one. with the wacom stylus and the ultrabase for 80 bucks on ebay
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• 3836[23:53:28] <moncrey> 11 years old, no problem
• 3837[23:53:29] <n4dir> there are more cool tools in debian, apt-file, apt-rdepends and what not, but with either apt-get or aptitude one is fine.
• 3838[23:53:34] <dionysus69> i have a monitor-less t500 sitting as a home theater :D its a !direct! descendant of t61 :D
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• 3841[23:54:34] <dionysus69> is it x101?
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• 3843[23:54:53] <dionysus69> oh wait u said t61 i imagined convertible nvm
• 3844[23:55:11] <jaggz> I have a ti80 emulating a gameboy!
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• 3848[23:56:24] <dionysus69> anyways good night guys, thanks all ))
• 3849[23:57:01] <likcoras> Hi, how would I stop wicd from modifying /etc/resolv.conf? Even though I have specified the wifi network to use static dns server, sometimes it will modify /etc/resolv.conf with the values specified by the network
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• 3851[23:57:28] <likcoras> setting chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf stops wicd from running the post-connect scripts, so I can't do that, either.
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• 3854[23:58:06] <likcoras> I was told to use openresolv, but even after looking into it I couldn't figure out how I would use it to address this issue, any help would be appreciated.
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• 3859[23:59:05] <vkolchev> Я здесь: Тирасполь, Молдова
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