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• 11[00:11:14] <sney> azur12: delete all lines from sources.list, add one line 'deb replaced-url
• 12[00:12:02] <sney> azur12: it looks like this system was probably installed as stretch (debian 9) and accidentally upgraded to buster (10) in the background because you had 'stable' in sources.list. you need to be careful about using the codename so you don't get upgraded without your knowledge.
• 13[00:12:37] <sney> the only way forward is to finish the upgrade.
• 14[00:14:09] <azur12> hmm I see, ok thanks
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• 24[00:34:29] <queip> 2021
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• 26[00:34:39] <queip> humanity plans to one day conquer Mars and other planets
• 27[00:34:55] <queip> still, Debian's version of Firefox can't be made to not quit by accidental pressing ctrl+Q
• 28[00:34:57] <queip> why?
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• 31[00:36:58] <sney> "debian's version of firefox" is intended to be functionally identical to mozilla's release. so, ask mozilla. (and if it's possible in the same version from mozilla, file a bug.)
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• 34[00:37:57] <tomg> queip, there's a firefox extension for disabling ctrl+q
• 35[00:38:01] <tomg> it seemed to work forme
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• 77[01:49:03] <awal1> in gnome i see a few stuff about privacy like geolocalization. so one can disable that. what about if running just a window manager?
• 78[01:50:09] <awal1> not sure what gnome does exactly
• 79[01:52:57] <kline> what happens to packages maintained in freenode where the upstream has gone bust
• 80[01:53:28] <kline> cowsay appears to be one such package - the original developer released it as a toy, its since ended up in debian, and seems to be maintained here with no upstream
• 81[01:56:06] <Unit193> Maybe try replaced-url
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• 93[02:05:15] <petn-randall> queip: Does that happen that often?
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• 97[02:07:29] <queip> petn-randall: each time you press it
• 98[02:07:51] <queip> being right next to ctrl+W is not helping
• 99[02:08:11] <queip> tomg: it's external code, not from repo, can contain exploits, right?
• 100[02:10:20] <petn-randall> queip: It comes with source.
• 101[02:10:54] <petn-randall> queip: I'm just wondering how often you accidentally press ^Q, this happens to me at most once a year.
• 102[02:11:08] <queip> petn-randall: maybe few times a year. even once is too much
• 103[02:11:49] <tomg> queip, the extension? i don't know
• 104[02:12:16] <queip> I mean, that is probly how all extensions work
• 105[02:12:25] <queip> with exception of like that adblock thing that is in repo
• 106[02:12:31] <queip> perhaps fixCtrlQ should be moved into repo
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• 109[02:18:16] <kline> Unit193, thanks for that
• 110[02:18:31] <kline> is it possible to identify where debian stuff in salsa pulls its upstream?
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• 112[02:18:35] <kline> i dont know much about packaging
• 113[02:19:18] <Unit193> kline: It seems to have new releases, so may be worth filing a bug to point the maintainer to that. Debian also seems to be missing the last release of the old maintainer when he moved from cvs to git(hub).
• 114[02:19:22] <kline> basically i want to patch cowsay, but ideally id do it upstream of debian rather than at the packager level
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• 136[02:48:31] <craigevil> .v deluge-gtk
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• 164[03:23:17] <somiaj> kline: I wonder if that github source could be packaged as a new package like cowsay-ng (since it is a fork and not the original)
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• 168[03:24:08] <Unit193> somiaj: replaced-url
• 169[03:24:41] <somiaj> yea, the debian package only has an archive as its upstream, replaced-url
• 170[03:25:36] <kline> somiaj, havent other projects with clear successors and a shared codebase been seamlessly updated?
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• 172[03:26:10] <kline> its not a competitive fork, its a continuation of a clearly and uncontroversially ended project
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• 174[03:28:32] <somiaj> kline: there it might be up to the matainer, if they want to honor the original and keep it in debian and so froth. I would at a minimum file a bug and mention this fork to provide a clear upstream that can be used.
• 175[03:29:20] <somiaj> so providing a new package such as cowsay-ng would allow people to use the original or the updated version. Unsure which is best
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• 177[03:29:47] <somiaj> #debian-mentors in irc.oftc.net would be able to provide more details on actual debian policy in a case like this, but it also might just be what the current matainer wants to do as well.
• 178[03:29:50] <kline> "-ng" is a strict superset of "classic", including some debian specific patches
• 179[03:30:01] <kline> but i think what matters is we agree its a point that should be raised
• 180[03:30:14] <kline> is there a quick howto for debian bugs? i know there is specific tooling
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• 184[03:31:17] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 186[03:33:31] <somiaj> but it does appear thte fork Unit193 found just continuned on the releases at the point the original author stopped, though it might be up to the matainer if they want to move to this new source (seems added some new features) or create a new package for this. Seems the author was calling it cowsay-apj
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• 188[03:36:35] <somiaj> also might want to point out the other source Unit193 found as a github location, this might be useful to at least update the package to point there for upstream vs what is on webarchive.
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• 193[03:43:01] <kline> that page is exactly what i was hoping for, thanks
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• 201[03:59:36] <Diagon> Is this the correct format for a line in sudoers to allow user btrbk to run various btrfs X commands?
• 202[03:59:41] <Diagon> btrbk ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/btrfs subvolume show, /usr/bin/btrfs subvolume list, /usr/bin/btrfs subvolume snapshot, /usr/bin/btrfs subvolume delete, /usr/bin/btrfs filesystem usage, /usr/bin/btrfs send, /usr/bin/btrfs receive
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• 207[04:04:01] <somiaj> Diagon: are you editing using visudo?
• 208[04:04:25] <Diagon> sure, but ... I'm just trying to get the line right first.
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• 210[04:05:33] <Diagon> This man page is extremely long and *abstract*. There are very few (so far, no) examples.
• 211[04:06:43] <somiaj> Diagon: just checking, that will at least check for syntax errors, but it looks I'm usnure if you need a space so user ALL = NOPASSWD: cmd_list
• 212[04:07:03] <somiaj> but it looks correct to me, I was just noting the visudo will let you know of syntax issues
• 213[04:07:59] <Diagon> Ah, I.C. Alright, thanks. Can I restrict to a specific directly like so: /usr/bin/btrfs subvolume show /.snapshots/*/
• 214[04:08:47] <Diagon> *directory
• 215[04:09:53] <somiaj> yea, you can use normal shell style glob wildcards *, ?, [..], [!..]
• 216[04:10:11] <Diagon> :thumbs-up: Thanks for your input, smiaj.
• 217[04:10:17] <Diagon> *somiaj
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• 300[07:34:45] <mtcdood> I have a website that uses PHP and MySQL as a backend. I've got the basic database structure down for posts (containing things like the post ID, title, author, and HTML content.)
• 301[07:35:46] <mtcdood> I'm currently running individual PHP functions to obtain and display the post fields, like the following snippet: replaced-url
• 302[07:36:32] <mtcdood> I'm trying to brainstorm ways to reduce the number of database queries I'm running per page load.
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• 304[07:37:30] <mtcdood> I know I can cache the HTML but don't know if there are things I can do when the page is first generated too. Does anyone have any concept ideas I can explore?
• 305[07:41:50] <mtcdood> Also if anyone has suggestions for a better place to discuss this I'm all ears. It doesn't really fit directly in any of the major channels that I could think of (#html, #javascript, #php, #mysql, etc).
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• 319[08:31:03] <unixbsd> Hello How to open an InDesign Document using Debian?
• 320[08:31:09] <RoyK> mtcdood: I guess #php would be the place to start. Btw, remember this one ;) replaced-url
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• 322[08:31:46] <mtcdood> Yeah eventually I'll get there
• 323[08:32:08] <mtcdood> So far everything "user-generated" is being manually created in the database, not through the web interface.
• 324[08:32:21] <mtcdood> I'm in read-only mode atm.
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• 329[08:37:45] <RoyK> mtcdood: have you logged in with nickserv?
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• 332[08:38:22] <mtcdood> Yeah
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• 366[09:13:22] <RoyK> mtcdood: it's ##php, btw
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• 386[09:34:51] <xormor> is Bullseye now stable?
• 387[09:35:17] <ratrace> not yet
• 388[09:35:30] <xormor> I did a sudo apt upgrade and now the version in /etc/debian_version is 11.0, not 11.0/sid
• 389[09:35:56] <ratrace> !debian-next
• 390[09:35:56] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 393[09:41:49] <somiaj> xormor: it is very close to release, so everything is in place for the release including the version
• 394[09:42:27] <xormor> somiaj: thank you.
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• 443[11:20:46] <tecdroid> thi there. hi
• 444[11:21:02] <tecdroid> hum.. if i only could do one thing at a time..
• 445[11:22:16] <tecdroid> can someone tell me how to patch cdc_acm using dkms? i want to apply this patch: replaced-url
• 446[11:22:52] <tecdroid> hoped for a new kernel patch release in debian for some weeks but it didn't come yet.
• 447[11:24:05] <ratrace> that's a kernel source patch, nothing to do with dkms. to apply this you can either alter the main kernel package or ... which I'd do, use the upstream tarball, patch the source, and run the deb-binpkg target to build the kernel, then install the .deb you get
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• 449[11:26:39] <tecdroid> okay... i'll try
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• 451[11:27:11] <ratrace> bindeb-pkg btw, I always confuzzle those targets, stupid names
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• 456[11:30:51] <shtrb> .gm
• 457[11:31:31] <shtrb> !.gm
• 458[11:31:31] <dpkg> i heard .gm is good morning
• 459[11:31:39] <shtrb> at least that :)
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• 463[11:34:26] <ratrace> good afterevening.
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• 467[11:38:09] <echoSMILE> good beforeafternoon
• 468[11:38:10] <tecdroid> okay, applying the patch worked so far. building now using oldconfig.. is there any chance to test the kernel?
• 469[11:38:27] <tecdroid> i mean before installing it XD
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• 471[11:41:20] <ratrace> tecdroid: if you install the .deb, then the kernel behaves regularly, meaning there's a grub menu, meaning you can revert to previous kernel via grub menu of this fails.
• 472[11:41:32] <ratrace> alternatively, whip up a VM and test the kernel there.
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• 476[11:47:04] <tecdroid> grub menu seems enough.. i really have to start getting more into system internals..
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• 478[11:47:18] <tecdroid> btw. thanks for helping
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• 500[12:17:22] <shtrb> supp ratrace ?
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• 506[12:23:21] <ratrace> whazzaaaap!
• 507[12:23:53] <shtrb|work> That was apropriate as I just got a hardware lock in :D
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• 511[12:25:23] <ratrace> oh! hope you don't allow your hardware to drink beer! :)
• 512[12:26:11] <shtrb|work> It get's it root beverage ;-)
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• 514[12:34:13] <shtrb|work> Is there a simple way to close all critical notification popup s I got on my screen ? I just got ~200 different messages and I'm sick of manually clicking on the X buttons ?
• 515[12:34:26] <shtrb|work> *which had been sent by notify-send
• 516[12:34:37] <ratrace> is taht gnome?
• 517[12:34:43] <shtrb|work> no plasma (kde)
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• 519[12:35:11] <ratrace> quick google: replaced-url
• 520[12:35:21] <shtrb|work> I remember it was enough to click on the "notifications" to hide all , but it don't do that
• 521[12:35:22] <ratrace> also.... why you have 200 active notifications! o.O
• 522[12:35:53] <shtrb|work> have a notify-send script that notify me on a compile error :D
• 523[12:36:23] <shtrb|work> The suggestion in that thread is litterally what I did before asking (clicking on the notification)
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• 525[12:37:42] <ratrace> shtrb|work: right click + Delete notifications?
• 526[12:38:31] <shtrb|work> The closest that exist is clear history , but even that does not do the job
• 527[12:38:48] <ratrace> maybe that's not the same widget then?
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• 542[12:56:04] <tecdroid> yay, always forget -j when i run make.. now i got 6 parallel jobs.. means, 2 cpus for other stuff o.O
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• 546[13:01:48] <ratrace> tecdroid: you can export the MAKEOPTS env var in your shell rc
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• 548[13:02:39] <ratrace> oh wait, MAKEOPTS is gentoo specific lol.... so then alias it
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• 555[13:09:54] <tecdroid> think there is some environment variable for debian, too.. but i don't really use make often..
• 556[13:10:58] <tecdroid> hum.. where can i find the options used for debian standard kernel?
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• 560[13:12:42] <tecdroid> /usr/src/linux-config-[version] ?
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• 565[13:16:16] <ratrace> tecdroid: /boot/config-....
• 566[13:16:32] <ratrace> use the one belonging to the repo packaged kernel
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• 575[13:24:20] <tecdroid> learned much today..
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• 668[16:02:29] <deadrom> NAS system that worked fine for 2 days moving over data from disk a to b and otherwise has been stable crashes after an hour or so when under heavy network load. main suspect is the onboard Realtek "8111/8168/8411". upgraded to backports 5.10, not better. known issues with these NICs recently?
• 669[16:02:58] <deadrom> right now popped in an intel Desktop CT pcie card to see if the issue stops
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• 678[16:16:18] <filePeter> I have a program writing filepaths to stdout and all non Ascii-encodings seem fine one stdout. But if I pipe them to a file, they end up ugly gibberish. Does anyone have an idea to triage this problme?
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• 738[17:14:15] <Klaus_Dieter> well... I learned that the ffmpeg in testing does not leak memory when capturing with x11grab and -f pulse. ffmpeg is a fairly involved package with many dependencies. I would not want to turn my desktop into a frankendebian. chroot does not work well due the requirement to connect to pulse and x11 - what else could I try in the situation where I want to use a more recent ffmpeg on my otherwise
• 739[17:14:21] <Klaus_Dieter> debian stable? Wait for 2 more months for the next stable release?
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• 743[17:21:17] <gateway2000> Klaus_Dieter you may be able to backport it yourself using something like this: replaced-url
• 744[17:21:36] <GNU\colossus> Klaus_Dieter, that is an option. another option is to use an ffmpeg binary release that you hand-feed in /opt/
• 745[17:22:51] <GNU\colossus> ffmpeg.org itself links to replaced-url
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• 761[17:36:16] <filePeter> EdePopede: That was the hint. _Vim_ was wrong guessing the encoding! The file itself was fine.
• 762[17:36:27] <filePeter> Thanks!
• 763[17:37:25] <EdePopede> filePeter: the other option would have been a translating mount option on the fs
• 764[17:37:40] <EdePopede> !next
• 765[17:37:40] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 766[17:37:48] * EdePopede always wanted to do this
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• 769[17:38:27] <phogg> viewing files with vim was your first mistake (use less for that)
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• 772[17:39:44] <filePeter> phogg: But I love it so much!!! ;-)
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• 774[17:40:04] <mentor> less doesn't have syntax colouring
• 775[17:40:22] <phogg> Never draw a sword unless you intend to attack someone, never open a file in an editor unless you intend to write out a changed version.
• 776[17:40:35] <phogg> mentor: it can have syntax highlighting
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• 778[17:41:08] <mentor> Also, vim has a readonly mode
• 779[17:41:22] <phogg> not the point
• 780[17:41:22] <Klaus_Dieter> lol phogg
• 781[17:41:28] <Klaus_Dieter> I love the analogy
• 782[17:41:49] <mentor> It is commonly acknowledged that vim must taste blood every time it is invoked.
• 783[17:42:14] <filePeter> phogg, mentor: I was editing the file actually…
• 784[17:42:23] <filePeter> though that was not mentioned.
• 785[17:42:28] <phogg> filePeter: then I withdraw my comment
• 786[17:43:08] <filePeter> Let’s not worry all too much. ⇔ I made a mistake and with some help triaged the problem.
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• 788[17:43:24] <filePeter> … which is nice.
• 789[17:43:43] <Klaus_Dieter> GNU\colossus: so your suggestion would be to untar one of those static builds to /opt and use that?
• 790[17:44:01] <phogg> pro tip, you can transition from viewing in less to editing with $EDITOR using a single keystroke
• 791[17:44:38] <mentor> Words of praise for fishfood
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• 797[17:49:46] <filePeter> phogg: That sounds crazy!
• 798[17:50:02] <phogg> filePeter: try it some time: hit v
• 799[17:50:14] <GNU\colossus> Klaus_Dieter, I did that in the past when I needed fresher standalone ffmpeg on Debian
• 800[17:50:15] <phogg> I assume it is meant to launch vi, but it respects $EDITOR
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• 802[17:51:44] <xand> phogg: mind blown
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• 805[17:54:50] <Klaus_Dieter> I have been using linux and BSD for more than 20 years and had never until now bothered to look at the manpage of less. Thank you phogg
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• 810[17:56:17] <phogg> Klaus_Dieter: there are a lot of other goodies in less that are little known
• 811[17:56:54] <phogg> Klaus_Dieter: presuming less is your man pager, try this: LESS=+/^INVOCATION man bash
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• 814[17:57:39] <phogg> which is in the man page but not documented in a way as to make it obvious that you can do that
• 815[17:58:17] <Klaus_Dieter> GNU\colossus: unfortunately those builds do not support pulseaudio. But creating a static build on my debiantesting might be helpful it is a good idea
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• 820[17:59:49] <phogg> this is of course just an application of the fact that you can pass a command line arg starting with + and then any less command you would run interactively, so you can say less +v any-file as a long way of starting your editor on the file (but when you quit you go back to less)
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• 822[18:02:25] <filePeter> phogg: very nice!
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• 825[18:05:08] <AquaL1te> i'm trying to build this: replaced-url
• 826[18:05:14] <AquaL1te> here?
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• 879[18:34:27] <uso> when I upgrade from stretch to buster should I accept the downgrade of debian-security-support or better keep the version from stretch?
• 880[18:35:18] <uso> s/stretch/stretch-security/
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• 895[18:49:02] <sney> uso: what downgrade? are you looking at a specific package?
• 896[18:49:22] <uso> sney: yes, package debian-security-support
• 897[18:50:29] <sney> interesting, I see what you mean
• 898[18:50:32] <uso> the version in stretch-security is higher than the version in buster, there's already a bug report about it #988321
• 899[18:50:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 900[18:51:23] <sney> well, the changelog for the stretch 2021.01.23 package explicitly says " * Release for stretch only containing changes relevant to stretch."
• 901[18:51:38] <sney> so I would err towards using the buster version on buster, even though it's a few months older.
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• 904[18:52:47] <uso> I've purged tha package for now to avoid the downgrade, but my preference also was to switch to the buster version
• 905[18:53:13] <uso> thanks for confirmation
• 906[18:53:21] <sney> np
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• 981[20:29:09] <EdePopede> <mentor> less doesn't have syntax colouring <-- i'm sure there's something from npm doing it and it could be piped to less -R ;)
• 982[20:31:00] <EdePopede> ,v source-highlight
• 983[20:31:02] <judd> Package: source-highlight on amd64 -- jessie: 3.1.7-1+b1; stretch: 3.1.8-1.2~deb9u1; buster: 3.1.8-1.2+b1; bullseye: 3.1.9-3+b1; sid: 3.1.9-3+b1
• 984[20:31:06] <EdePopede> better.
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• 988[20:36:03] <Northwoods> Northwoods> How can i install $ sudo apt-get install php-imagick on specific version of php
• 989[20:36:03] <Northwoods> <thumbs> Northwoods: ask ##php
• 990[20:36:03] <Northwoods> <Northwoods> it installed on 8.0 version , however i wanted it to be installed on PHP Version 7.2.34
• 991[20:36:03] <Northwoods> <Northwoods> thumbs, can i pass an argument to sudo apt-get install , to move it to specifec version ?
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• 994[20:38:29] <mentor> EdePopede: If I had wheels I would be a bicycle
• 995[20:39:16] <Northwoods> :)
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• 1000[20:43:13] <somiaj> Northwoods: are you using the sury sources?
• 1001[20:43:32] <somiaj> Northwoods: note debian doesn't provide mutliple versions of php, so this is not something that would happen with offical debian sources.
• 1002[20:44:31] <Northwoods> somiaj, yes its ubuntu
• 1003[20:44:59] <somiaj> !ubuntu
• 1004[20:44:59] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 1005[20:45:14] <Northwoods> thanks
• 1006[20:46:15] <somiaj> Northwoods: well then you have found yourself in the wrong spot, this channel only supports debian pure blends, the ubuntu channel might be helpful. As someone who doesn't know ubuntu, sometimes the php packages are just called things like php8.0, php7.2, etc, so maybe look for those packages. Also note it could be the version of ubuntu you are using doens't provide the php version you want (though maybe a
• 1007[20:46:21] <somiaj> PPA) would. Again continue this in ubuntu for actual support, just giving you stuff you can look up.
• 1008[20:47:40] <Northwoods> yes right , thanks somiaj
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• 1014[20:53:14] <jhutchins> I wish the php developers would work a bit harder on cross-version compatibility.
• 1015[20:54:02] <jhutchins> Although most developed projects like wordpress will work on the latest or a few versions back. Wordpress complains, but it works.
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• 1020[20:56:24] <somiaj> Yea, they could try to ensure a bit more compadaiblity, but it could also be that a lot of php developers take advantage of special things vs write code to be compadable, wordpress is an example of what can be done (they only recentally required to upgrade to php 7)
• 1021[20:56:46] <qrpnxz> i wish php didn't exist, so this is a compromise
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• 1025[21:02:26] <jhutchins> somiaj: It complains about 7.0, but it runs.
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• 1027[21:03:21] <jhutchins> I used to think that the problem with php was that it allowed you to write bad code, then I found a well-written article that explained that it actually _requires_ you to write bad code.
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• 1030[21:05:50] <qrpnxz> yep
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• 1074[22:08:42] <halt> Hey All, I'm having a trouble with one of my install, the startup is failing with [TIME] timed out waiting for device ( and the UUID of my boot ) , but when I spin up the same machine ( Proxymox VM ) with an arch rescuee cd then it mounts up just fine, any clue what might be the issue ?
• 1075[22:11:19] <halt> I confirmed already that the lbkid, output match the fstab entry for /boot, but I'm kind of out of idea, the only significant diff is kernel version, but the VM run with Debian up till now just fine, I do suspect that that hosting provider had some kind of issue, why it failed the first place, but can't explain how come with live cd it works.
• 1076[22:12:16] <halt> I also tried to add the x-systemd.device-timeout extra flag to the fstab just in case it's just matter of time, but still does not like it
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• 1081[22:15:23] <halt> I run update-grub, and even tried in a chroot, to reinstall the main version of the kernel installed, got nothing
• 1082[22:15:42] <halt> hence I'm here, as I'm running out of ideas
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• 1102[22:33:44] <jhutchins> halt: You might have a corrupt driver. What filesystem on what hardware?
• 1103[22:34:46] <halt> I have access to only the VM ( it's a VPS ) but what I see is that the boot is ext4
• 1104[22:35:46] <jhutchins> halt: Verify the checksum on your installer iso.
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• 1106[22:36:54] <halt> I don't have the installer anymore, it's about a year old install, run just fine up till today
• 1107[22:36:57] <jhutchins> halt: Some VPS providers require specific drivers for their systems. They often have their own versions of the distribution.
• 1108[22:37:12] <jhutchins> halt: Ah, good information.
• 1109[22:37:13] <somiaj> note are you using proxmox as the guest? You do know that proxmox is not debian?
• 1110[22:38:01] <halt> Debian is what I have access the guest, but I know thath the hypervisor is proxmox as I have VNC access and it does pop up at boot time
• 1111[22:38:54] <halt> the latest I tried just now is to do the mount of the /boot with /dev/sda1 instead of the UUID but about to time about again
• 1112[22:39:46] <somiaj> does it list the UUID or now /dev/sda1 when it says it is timing out?
• 1113[22:40:59] <somiaj> halt: what version of debian is the guest?
• 1114[22:41:34] <halt> dev/sda1 time time around ( can share screenshot if you point me at the preferred image sharing solution, can't do text as it's still just VNC
• 1115[22:42:00] <halt> Should be latest stable, but let me double check the sub version
• 1116[22:42:09] <somiaj> halt: that doens't matter to much, so it is buster?
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• 1118[22:42:46] <somiaj> halt: I would suggest grabing the current debian install image, replaced-url
• 1119[22:43:46] <somiaj> halt: and use its 'resuce' feature, to do that you'll have to go under advanced options and choose rescue. It will ask you a few questions about your system like you were to install, just answerthem, setup the network if possible, then when it gets to a point choose your root filesystem partition, and see if you can boot into that.
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• 1122[22:44:04] <jhutchins> The fact that it was working but doesn't does imply someting broke.
• 1123[22:44:18] <somiaj> halt: this will at least let you know if the current debian kernel (on the installer) works or not. If it does work, maybe downgrade the kernel and see if it is a kernel regression.
• 1124[22:44:25] <jhutchins> Sounds like it's halting in the initrd phase of boot.
• 1125[22:44:40] <somiaj> yea, to me something got misconfigured in the initramfs too
• 1126[22:44:55] <jhutchins> halt: It would help to know what you did before it stopped working.
• 1127[22:45:04] <unixbsd> systemd likely does freeze it
• 1128[22:45:41] <somiaj> unixbsd: please don't add onsequlator info to the conversation.
• 1129[22:45:47] <somiaj> nonsequlator
• 1130[22:45:47] <halt> So I have now ( in emergency mode ) kernel 4.19.0-16, and yes it's 10 buster ( based on /etc/os-release )
• 1131[22:46:34] <somiaj> ,kernels
• 1132[22:46:35] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-6-686 (5.10.28-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.10.24-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
• 1133[22:46:36] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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• 1136[22:47:24] <halt> jhutchins: I was out for a walk :) I come back for a crashed mail system, I log in to check what's up, the db was down which made sense why the mail does not work, so I tried to restart, then that didn't work either from ssh, so did a restart on the VPS console
• 1137[22:49:18] <somiaj> halt: well that will be the kernel on the newest install images, you could use that to check if the kernel works, if so you know it isn't a kernel regression. there is update-initramfs -u to rebuild the initrd image.
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• 1144[22:50:40] <jhutchins> somiaj: It sounds like a crash rather than a regression. He hasn't said anything about an upgrade, and an upgrade wouldn't cause an unattended DB crash.
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• 1146[22:51:25] <jhutchins> halt: I would start to suspect that there is a problem with the disk, and possibly contact your provider. You can do a fsck booted from a live image.
• 1147[22:51:58] <halt> worth noting that the debian 10 live cd does not boot either, and yes /forcefsck and live arch cd fsck I have done already
• 1148[22:52:00] <jhutchins> halt: If the disk became corrupt that would explain both the DB crash and the failure to mount.
• 1149[22:53:31] <busternube> i took my debian machine down to upgrade the cpu and disconnected my second hard drive. after reconnecting it does not mount as named before it have been given an alpha numeric
• 1150[22:54:23] <halt> It's likely, but does not explain how come it works under other distro, nor I managed to find anything with either fsck or testdisk
• 1151[22:54:48] <halt> considering that it's a virual disk image, I didn't try smart data
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• 1153[22:55:11] <jhutchins> busternube: It changed from what to what? Is it trying to mount by UUID?
• 1154[22:55:40] <jhutchins> halt: No, you likely don't have access to the hardware at that level.
• 1155[22:55:57] <busternube> to dia/busterkvm/01D72D207FA397B0/
• 1156[22:56:07] <busternube> to /busterkvm/01D72D207FA397B0/
• 1157[22:56:51] <jhutchins> busternube: Is this a virtual machine or a VM host?
• 1158[22:57:04] <busternube> was /busterkvm/VHDdisk i think
• 1159[22:57:20] <busternube> its a second hard disk used to store vm
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• 1161[22:58:17] <halt> btw the live debian 10 CD failed with this replaced-url
• 1162[22:58:26] <busternube> Cannot access storage file '/media/VHDdisk
• 1163[22:59:01] <somiaj> busternube: sounds like some automounter that is now moutning the disk in another location. Is this gnome?
• 1164[22:59:29] <busternube> xfce
• 1165[23:00:05] <somiaj> what do you use to configure where this file system mounts? WAs this mentioned in /etc/fstab, or did you use some xfce tool to configure it?
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• 1168[23:01:45] <busternube> not remembering that, this box is slowly built nearly a first timer.
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• 1170[23:03:18] <busternube> not in bash history so must be gui
• 1171[23:03:42] <jmcnaught> busternube: where are you seeing "/busterkvm/01D72D207FA397B0/"? Is that the complete path?
• 1172[23:04:46] <busternube> thunar top
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• 1174[23:05:32] <jhutchins> halt: That doesn't sound right, the live filesystem should be a part of the live image, not something you find o the network. Where did you get the live image?
• 1175[23:06:20] <busternube> ls "/media/"
• 1176[23:06:20] <busternube> busterkvm cdrom VHDdisk VM1storg xpqcow
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• 1178[23:06:40] <busternube> VHDdisk was where it mounted
• 1179[23:06:45] <busternube> before
• 1180[23:06:59] <halt> jhutchins: VPS provider offer me 3 live image ( one of which is debian ) , and apart from that only reinstall, no customer iso upload
• 1181[23:07:02] <busternube> now ls "/media/busterkvm"
• 1182[23:07:02] <busternube> 01D72D207FA397B0
• 1183[23:07:20] <jhutchins> halt: I would look at the log for the live boot (you can do that from the shell), and possibly try booting it with the debug parameter.
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• 1186[23:09:06] <jhutchins> halt: Ah, yes, that would be pxe, and it would be a bad setup. A live boot would see the original boot disk as an available drive.
• 1187[23:09:30] <busternube> no is not in fstab
• 1188[23:10:14] <somiaj> busternube: if you hadd it to fstab you can control where it is mounted, else maybe you can right click on it in thunar and configure its mount location.
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• 1195[23:19:53] <halt> Update, with `update-initramfs -u` I got it up, and now on the server with SSH running, but systemd is severely degraded, and after a reboot, I'm back to the same device timeout
• 1196[23:22:05] <busternube> kvm storage manager permissions
• 1197[23:24:11] <jmcnaught> busternube: we will be able to help you better if you use full sentences to describe your problem.
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• 1201[23:28:40] <busternube> i dont speak linux
• 1202[23:28:57] <busternube> reconnecting my second disk cause it to rename
• 1203[23:31:17] <busternube> so now kvm doesnt see the storage pool
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• 1207[23:38:24] <jmcnaught> busternube: do you see errors related to the storage pool in "journalctl -b -u libvirtd.service" ? And if so can you make a pastebin with them?
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• 1209[23:38:49] <busternube> no
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• 1211[23:39:11] <busternube> the drive and filesystem work fine
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• 1213[23:40:31] <busternube> the kvm storage manager says its linked in /mdia/VHDdisk and thats where the machines are looking for their storage volumes
• 1214[23:41:22] <busternube> i dont know why how to make thes epermemnant or the power outage damaged something
• 1215[23:41:37] <busternube> seems like i have rebooted many times wothout this problem
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• 1217[23:42:07] <somiaj> busternube: as I said, you just need to either put the disk into /etc/fstab or update your mount manager to mount that UUID in the spot you want it.
• 1218[23:42:21] <jmcnaught> busternube: are the files now at /media/busterkvm/01D72D207FA397B0 ?
• 1219[23:42:22] <somiaj> I would personally use /etc/fstab, but I belive xfce (well thunar) will have a gui tool to configure this
• 1220[23:42:32] <ryouma> i would like booting debian to be less intimidating. is it possible to put instructions (like copy and pasted stuff from the web) in my grub menu so that i know how to boot or diagnose if there is a boot problem? same thing for any other level like initramfs shell.
• 1221[23:43:00] <ryouma> the idea would be to not have to remember anything or have anything printed out. it would all be there.
• 1222[23:43:23] <busternube> "/media/busterkvm/01D72D207FA397B0/VHD"
• 1223[23:43:24] <somiaj> ryouma: Ideally you should just have to select the top entery in grub and it will jsut boot.
• 1224[23:43:37] <ryouma> somiaj: indeed, ideally
• 1225[23:44:06] <somiaj> ryouma: If that fails, there is so many different levels of stuff that could have failed, I think it would be hard to put that into a single guide, but the bot has a fairly good set of steps that work
• 1226[23:44:09] <somiaj> !fixmbr
• 1227[23:44:10] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 1228[23:44:22] <somiaj> Though if you use the rescue mode, this is even easier
• 1229[23:44:50] <jhutchins> halt: Sorry, off doing other things. It sounds like the disk is corrupt, and may be failing somehow. I would look at those logs that the message mentions.
• 1230[23:45:03] <ryouma> well that would be an exapmle of stuff to put right there in the grub menu so i can read it
• 1231[23:45:09] <somiaj> ryouma: grub also has a safe mode, and older kernels to boot from if an upgrade causes problem.
• 1232[23:45:09] <ryouma> or in inittramfs prologue
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• 1234[23:46:40] <somiaj> ryouma: if you constantlly have issues with your machine not booting, I would try to figure out what you are doing to keep causing these problems and fix that. Though I don't know anyway to put such info into grub. It might be possible to put it into initramfs, but you'll have to build your own custom hooks in /etc/initramfs-tools, and this is a bit byond my experience.
• 1235[23:48:20] <jhutchins> ryouma: You might keep a notebook, or print up a cheatsheet you can reference.
• 1236[23:48:27] <ryouma> i sort of want to make debian friendlier. i think it breaks sometimes even if you don't do anything unusual. blinking underscore in upper left corner is a mystery to me. text overwriting text in booting and thus error messages is a mystery. i figured at elast at certain point sin thse sequence i could have a few poiinters.
• 1237[23:54:31] <jhutchins> ryouma: I don't have problems like that.
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• 1239[23:55:07] <jhutchins> ryouma: It sounds like you'd be happier with Apple, they do a lot to hide the guts from you and keep things from breaking.
• 1240[23:55:58] <jhutchins> ryouma: Linux is appreciated for it's flexibility and customization, and that makes it a little more complicated to work with.
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• 1242[23:57:53] <busternube> confirmed the volumes was "/media/busterkvm/New Volume/VHD/"
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• 1244[23:58:38] <busternube> so the system auto renamed my crap to "/media/busterkvm/01D72D207FA397B0/VHD"
• 1245[23:58:54] <busternube> why is it changing the volume name
• 1246[23:59:28] <jhutchins> busternube: Must have something to do with kvm. Regular Debian doesn't do that.
• 1247[23:59:28] <somiaj> busternube: It probably saved info about the mount point (when you originally set it up) based on the /dev/sd? of the drive, removing a drive could have caused those to be renumberd, so it just automunted them there
• 1248[23:59:34] <busternube> i unplugged it booted without it briefly
• 1249[23:59:47] <busternube> to change the cpu
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