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10 [00:11:00] <mutante> what might be wrong if "hostname
-f" does not show a valid FQDN but the same as "hostname
-s" .. BUT you totally DO have a "domain" in
/etc/resolv.conf AND "hostname -A" shows the FQDN that you
would expect from "-f" as well? What does it mean that
"all" long host names contain it but "the" FQDN
does not?
11 [00:12:01] <mutante> so if i list "all" FQDNs i get
the expected thing, but --fqdn does not list an FQDN .. wtf
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14 [00:14:48] <goofball64> is there any manual page for grub
configuration? i'd like to set a different timeout when booting
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18 [00:17:09] <mutante> goofball64: maybe "info
grub-mkconfig"
19 [00:17:18] <mutante> (had to install info itself)
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41 [00:41:06] <vitaerk> Hi, iam testing obs-studio on Debian 9
and if i open evince and try to record it, the window is only black.
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43 [00:41:32] <vitaerk> no pdf file is shown and no window is
shown
44 [00:42:00] <vitaerk> i tried to get another pdf viewer but
dont found one
45 [00:42:13] <vitaerk> any suggestions?
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47 [00:42:51] <sponix> vitaerk: in your GUI/DE see if you can
change your "compositor" setting to something different. I
get similar with mine at the default, and have changed it for OBS to
work properly
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49 [00:44:01] <vitaerk> sponix, oh thank you! I remember that i
change the compositor settings for a while. Maybe exactly this is
the problem. Ill try it
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53 [00:45:55] <sponix> vitaerk: just don't ask me what that
actually does - lol
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55 [00:47:18] <vitaerk> sponix, great! it is working now. I
disabled compositor now! Thank you so much for the hint
56 [00:47:39] <vitaerk> on xfce
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58 [00:48:17] <sponix> vitaerk: I do XFCE myself
59 [00:48:25] <sponix> Or at least parts of it
60 [00:48:35] <vitaerk> great!
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62 [00:49:35] <vitaerk> i love debian and xfce, its so easy and
fast
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64 [00:50:52] <vitaerk> thank you debian team
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95 [01:12:54] <H2Q> hello, VM manager is asking me admin
password when I want to start it. it never happened on other
systems. do I have a wrong config?
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101 [01:19:32] <nlyy> hi
102 [01:19:57] <dvs> yo
103 [01:20:22] <nlyy> HNY dvs
104 [01:20:47] <nlyy> is it possible to get help for using dpkg
on a foreign distro, GuixSD, in my case
105 [01:20:58] <dvs> not here
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108 [01:22:12] <nlyy> would you like to take a guess, where i can
try to ask?
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110 [01:24:28] <nlyy> oh, dpkg is also a username, but I am
talking about the Debian package manager.
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113 [01:29:02] <jim> nlyy, there is a bot, alis, that can assist
you in finding channels on the freenode irc net. To get started,
/msg alis help
114 [01:29:43] <jim> it's /list without the server I/O
problems
115 [01:30:32] <nlyy> good to know.
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118 [01:32:20] <jim> an example, to find channels that have
guixsd in their names, /msg alis list guixsd
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121 [01:33:34] <nlyy> oh you mean #guix, well I am aware of that
channel.
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131 [01:36:23] <anonymous8> hello
132 [01:36:58] <karlpinc> !tell anonymous8 about ask
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189 [02:17:27] <jim> trying to find what package might have
generated desktop-manager.service unit file
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213 [02:48:23] <karlpinc> jim: Use locate to find the full path,
then I use "dpkg -S path" to find the path, but
there's a faster way. I think with apt-cache.
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241 [03:04:41] <ealfonso> what happend to ekiga in buster?
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246 [03:08:29] <JackFrost>
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248 [03:08:32] <judd> Bug
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292 [03:46:11] <un214> ok how do I really disable fsck on boot
(systemd)
293 [03:46:35] <un214> it's trying to check mounted
filesystems
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297 [03:49:50] <ealfonso> trying to build ekiga from source. I
installed "gstreamer1.0-plugins-base", but why do I still
get "No package 'gstreamer-plugins-base-1.0'
found" ?
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305 [03:53:28] <abrotman> ealfonso: what is giving you that
error?
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312 [03:56:09] <ealfonso> ./configure. I solved it by setting
GSTREAMER_PLUGINS_BASE_LIBS and GSTREAMER_PLUGINS_BASE_CFLAGS to
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321 [04:00:08] <abrotman> Okay then
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329 [04:08:28] <ealfonso> now I get "configure: error: You
need the libresolv library to compile Ekiga". I could only find
libresolv-wrapper, which is already installed. am I supposed to
install something like libresolv-dev?
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340 [04:23:05] <un214> gah, systemctl mask systemd-fsck
doesn't acutally work
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344 [04:29:00] <ealfonso> the libresolv issue appeared to be a
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358 [04:42:38] <un214> wow debian bug server is lagged
359 [04:43:15] <un214> in any case it's time to roll back
systemd
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361 [04:45:15] <CreadPag> hphola
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366 [04:47:03] <un214> bug 947811 doesn't seem to have any
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368 [04:47:50] <un214> dpkg bug 947811
369 [04:47:50] <dpkg> un214: are you using Windows?
370 [04:48:23] <JackFrost> #947811
371 [04:48:25] <judd> Bug
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412 [05:20:08] <hatter_> I am stuck in a loop with a stretch to
buster install : Errors were encountered while processing:
413 [05:20:28] <hatter_> '
/var/cache/apt/archives/gnuplot-data_5.2.6+dfsg1-1+deb10u1_all.deb
414 [05:21:00] <hatter_> if I try : apt-get remove gnuplot
415 [05:21:07] <hatter_> gnuplot-qt : Depends: gnuplot-data (=
5.2.6+dfsg1-1+deb10u1) but 4.6.6-2+deb8u1 is to be installed
416 [05:21:46] <hatter_> When I do : apt --fix-broken install
417 [05:21:56] <hatter_> The following additional packages will
be installed:
418 [05:21:56] <hatter_> gnuplot-data
419 [05:21:56] <hatter_> The following packages will be upgraded:
420 [05:21:56] <hatter_> gnuplot-data
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424 [05:22:19] <hatter_> I am in a loop
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431 [05:27:24] <nyov> hatter_: fix your priorities so that
packages aren't kept ot downgraded
432 [05:27:26] <nyov> *or
433 [05:27:42] <nyov> or remove gnuplot-qt and gnuplot-data
434 [05:28:04] <hatter_> nyov, hmm, interesting, do you have a
link to fix priorities ?
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438 [05:28:24] <hatter_> I was successful by doing : dpkg --purge
--force-all gnuplot
439 [05:28:33] <hatter_> there were a few more packages related
to this
440 [05:28:51] <hatter_> gnuplot-data, gnuplot-nox, and a library
441 [05:29:15] <hatter_> I am not even sure what installs
gnuplot... part of gnome I guess ?
442 [05:29:37] <nyov> I tend to forget how apt pinning works
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444 [05:29:53] <nyov>
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445 [05:29:59] <hatter_> nyov, np, thx, I will check it out
446 [05:30:37] <hatter_> should something like this be registered
as a bug ?
447 [05:31:05] <petn-randall> hatter_: gnuplot-qt : Depends:
gnuplot-data (= 5.2.6+dfsg1-1+deb10u1) but 4.6.6-2+deb8u1 is to be
installed
448 [05:31:26] <petn-randall> ^^^ this sounds like you still have
sources for Debian 8 included, with > 1000 priority.
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450 [05:32:00] <nyov> no it's not a bug, hatter_
451 [05:32:17] <nyov> it's your apt config
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453 [05:33:41] <hatter_> petn-randall, hmm, I will check, I
don't think so, I haven't had any need for that, but I
will check
454 [05:33:59] <hatter_> nyov, ok, I will check petn-randalls
suggestion
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458 [05:35:41] <petn-randall> hatter_: Can you share the output
of `apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gnuplot-data` with us? →
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459 [05:35:43] <nyov> So I see the init vote has passed. And only
42% of DDs voted? That is kinda sad
460 [05:36:18] <hatter_> petn-randall, did you see above where I
deleted gnuplot ? Is is still helpful to do what you ask with the
package removed ?
461 [05:36:50] <petn-randall> hatter_: yes
462 [05:37:31] <hatter_>
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542 [07:20:50] <BoyDoy> hi any suggestion for how to create
Terminal Access Controller Access-Control System Plus (TACACS+) with
webgui? Thank you
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578 [08:05:47] <Halian>
replaced-url
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583 [08:10:41] <OS-63926> /msg NickServ REGISTER
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585 [08:13:17] <OS-63926> /msg NickServ REGISTER
586 [08:15:32] <OS-63926> hi
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592 [08:19:48] <cef> @Halian: sure that the name shouldn't
be 1920x1080_60.00 ? 0x274 isn't a name for the mode afaik, but
an ID.
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594 [08:20:29] <Halian> cef: oh, sorry. I get the same error when
I pass the mode's name.
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597 [08:21:07] <cef> which chipset and which intel driver are you
using (there's a few)
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601 [08:23:00] <Halian> It's simply called "intel"
in the file that I made for it in xorg.conf.d
602 [08:23:17] <Halian> The chipset is an Intel UHD Graphics 620
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608 [08:25:04] <ealfonso> is there an easy way to obtain ptlib
(libpt-dev) in buster? I need it to build ekiga, which was also
removed.
609 [08:25:22] <cef> Ahh so prob the i915 or i965 driver. Most
likely i915. I've got a HD Graphics 630, tho I'm on a
desktop.
610 [08:25:54] <Halian> Ahh
611 [08:27:20] <jelly-home> ,bug rm libpt-dev
612 [08:27:24] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
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614 [08:27:42] <cef> @ealfonso: it was removed cos it depends on
libssl1.0
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616 [08:27:51] <cef>
replaced-url
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618 [08:28:58] <cef> Also cos it's unmaintained. You could
try building it from the last known source and figuring out how to
make it work with a later version of libssl (or similar lib)
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625 [08:35:33] <ealfonso5> that sounds painful
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641 [08:56:49] <boeg> I want to systemwide set my keyboard layout
- I have a setxkbmap command that works, but I'm not sure where
to put it, like in /etc/X11 somewhere maybe?
642 [08:57:02] <boeg> or should I do it some other way?
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677 [09:32:35] <iz1glg> I guys, I've some bad behavior with
audio in gnome after upgrade buster to pulseaudio 12.2-4+deb10u1.
the symptom is that after suspend/resume I've no audio from
pulseaudio (alsa and jack are ok) if I log out/in from gnome audio
come back. to me smell like some dependency issue, like some
packages need to be recompiled against new pulseaudio
678 [09:32:35] <iz1glg> updated. any tip from some more expert?
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684 [09:34:24] <ZaZaGX> everyone is sleeping
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687 [09:34:52] <nvz> ZaZaGX: you're not sleeping
688 [09:35:05] <ZaZaGX> i'm up
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690 [09:35:33] <iz1glg> O_o
691 [09:36:04] <nvz> ,v pulseaudio
692 [09:36:05] <judd> Package: pulseaudio on amd64 -- jessie:
5.0-13; stretch: 10.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 12.2-4+deb10u1;
buster-backports: 13.0-3~bpo10+1; bullseye: 13.0-3; sid: 13.0-3
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694 [09:36:58] <nvz> ,iz1glg doesn't work like that, cause
debian stable packages barring exceptions not applicable here,
don't change version.. and thus don't break abi
695 [09:37:49] <nvz> pulseaudio, like all the sound daemons that
came before it isn't perfect.. but its way better than esd and
such
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697 [09:39:00] <iz1glg> it's not first time this is
happening to me, I mean probably with next update this issue will
disappear but it would be good to don't brake audio and know
what is missing
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700 [09:42:13] <nvz> idk, I don't experience this issue
701 [09:42:23] <iz1glg> my issue occured with this update..
702 [09:42:44] <iz1glg> Start-Date: 2019-12-04
02:44:07Commandline: apt upgradeRequested-By: iz1glg (1000)Install:
linux-headers-4.19.0-6-amd64:amd64 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2, automatic),
linux-headers-4.19.0-6-common:amd64 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2, automatic),
xdg-dbus-proxy:amd64 (0.1.1-1, automatic),
linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64:amd64 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2,
automatic)Upgrade:
703 [09:42:44] <iz1glg> gir1.2-lokdocview-0.1:amd64
(1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3, 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5),
libreoffice-wiki-publisher:amd64 (1.2.0+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u3,
1.2.0+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u5), cryptsetup-bin:amd64 (2:2.1.0-5,
2:2.1.0-5+deb10u2), php7.3-xml:amd64 (7.3.4-2, 7.3.11-1~deb10u1),
libreoffice-math:amd64 (1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3, 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5),
exim4-base:amd64
704 [09:42:45] <iz1glg> (4.92-8+deb10u1, 4.92-8+deb10u3),
gnome-control-center-data:amd64 (1:3.30.3-1, 1:3.30.3-2~deb10u1),
libreoffice-script-provider-js:amd64 (1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3,
1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5), qtbase5-dev-tools:amd64 (5.11.3+dfsg1-1,
5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u1), libcomerr2:amd64 (1.44.5-1,
1.44.5-1+deb10u2), libreoffice-report-builder-bin:amd64
(1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3,
705 [09:42:45] <iz1glg> 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5), python2.7-dbg:amd64
(2.7.16-2, 2.7.16-2+deb10u1), python2.7-dev:amd64 (2.7.16-2,
2.7.16-2+deb10u1), php7.3-zip:amd64 (7.3.4-2, 7.3.11-1~deb10u1),
firmware-iwlwifi:amd64 (20190114-1, 20190114-2), libnghttp2-14:amd64
(1.36.0-2, 1.36.0-2+deb10u1), e2fsprogs-l10n:amd64 (1.44.5-1,
1.44.5-1+deb10u2), firmware-realtek:amd64
706 [09:42:46] <iz1glg> (20190114-1, 20190114-2), gnuplot:amd64
(5.2.6+dfsg1-1, 5.2.6+dfsg1-1+deb10u1), gir1.2-nm-1.0:amd64
(1.14.6-2, 1.14.6-2+deb10u1), libldap2-dev:amd64 (2.4.47+dfsg-3,
2.4.47+dfsg-3+deb10u1), libcom-err2:amd64 (1.44.5-1,
1.44.5-1+deb10u2), libcom-err2:i386 (1.44.5-1, 1.44.5-1+deb10u2),
libcups2:amd64 (2.2.10-6, 2.2.10-6+deb10u1), libcups2:i386
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708 [09:42:56] <han-solo> :|
709 [09:43:04] <nvz> @.@
710 [09:43:27] <ZaZaGX> whoa
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712 [09:43:48] <nvz> amatures.. :D
713 [09:43:54] <han-solo> well, the channel did ask, "Are
you sure you want to paste more that n lines ?" :p
714 [09:44:23] <nvz> the channel asks no such thing
715 [09:44:29] <nyov> no, that would be the IRC client asking
716 [09:44:36] <nvz> han-solo: you using irssi I take it?
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718 [09:45:16] <iz1glg> Uploaded file:
replaced-url
719 [09:45:17] <nyov> but the topic did ask
720 [09:45:40] <han-solo> nvz: er, yeah, the client
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722 [09:46:03] <ZaZaGX> I donated 5 bucks to debian SPI
723 [09:46:08] <nvz> han-solo: kudos, so am I.. has built in
paste protection
724 [09:46:17] <han-solo> nvz: Yep :+1
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726 [09:46:38] <han-solo> accidental paste protection ;)
727 [09:47:09] <nvz> it protects whether its accidental or not..
you gotta press Ctrl+C or Ctrl+K
728 [09:47:57] <nvz> doesn't protect against flooding with
/exec -o though :P
729 [09:47:58] <han-solo> i only did it once, iirc
730 [09:49:38] <nvz> iz1glg: /me goes to sleep
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733 [09:52:52] <iz1glg> nvz: what you mean? I mean that before
upgrade, after resume audio was still ok both from speaker as
headphone
734 [09:53:34] <iz1glg> now my headphone work only at first book
before suspend and then no more
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740 [09:55:17] <OS-64082> hi
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742 [09:55:33] <ZaZaGX> hi
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744 [09:55:39] <OS-64082> someone say hi to me
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747 [09:57:25] <ZaZaGX> i'm thinking of getting a
chromebook. but not sure
748 [09:57:33] <iz1glg> OS-64082: hi, here only gentlemen sorry
:)
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754 [10:02:31] <ZaZaGX> OS-64082 is looking for a debian girl :)
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757 [10:03:31] <ZaZaGX> oh, i scared him away. i told everyone
his secret
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759 [10:04:29] <iz1glg> i believe no girl on irc
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763 [10:06:29] <ZaZaGX> there is a channel called ubuntu women
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785 [10:23:56] <ZaZaGX> hi
786 [10:24:03] <b1ack0p> sup
787 [10:24:20] <ratrace> iz1glg: you're an idiot
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837 [11:12:44] <iz1glg> ratrace: sorry, didn't want to
offend those in. and thank you be here
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854 [11:29:07] <Bushmaster> hey, seeking some direction, I can
SSH into raspberry pi 4, yet I cant see its configuration file, its
one of the files where I can comment and uncomment HDMI hot-plug 4
etc etc, nevertheless if I can take the micro SD card off from the
pi and plug it up with my USB port adaptor then I can see that micro
SD in which Libreleec is installed pose several mounting partition
viz-a-viz configuration files may be in one of these other mount
point.
855 [11:29:07] <Bushmaster> Since I do not want to take the micro
SD card right, I am proposing whether someone can solicit my problem
with mitigation measure...
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874 [11:35:54] <boeg> Is there a way to configure my system so
that my keyboard layout is set up properly in all window managers
instead of having to do it for gnome, for xmonad, and so on and so
on? Like a system wide way that maybe also works for DM?
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917 [12:00:58] <ratrace> boeg: ~/.xinitrc maybe? a setxkb call
from it
918 [12:01:17] <boeg> ratrace: I've tried that but it's
not getting called
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985 [12:51:02] <T61Shark> Does Debian 10 work 100% on a stock
Thinkpad T61?
986 [12:51:22] <T61Shark> I'm installing it, but I have no
wifi support unless I use the non-free drivers or I change out the
internal wifi card.
987 [12:51:43] <T61Shark> I already botched the thing up when
opening it up (got it from eBay).
988 [12:51:58] <T61Shark> Some internal screws are missing. The
palm rest is bulged on the right side.
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990 [12:52:16] <T61Shark> The official service manual had the
wrong screw locations, etc.
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992 [12:52:32] <T61Shark> Lenovo really are great at making
terrible Thinkpads.
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1064 [13:48:50] <DoctorD90> hi! i wish an happy new year to all of
you :)
1065 [13:49:04] <abrotman> No
1066 [13:49:27] <DoctorD90> using luks with a new ssd, it would
decrease its life?
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1068 [13:52:24] <abrotman> Not really
1069 [13:53:17] <abrotman> You're not truly writing more than
you would unencrypted .. there's something in the middle
encrypting/decrypting as yo ugo
1070 [13:53:20] <abrotman> you go
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1081 [14:01:56] <sappel> Good Morning, anyone here can help me how
to reconfigure a ZFS pool externally? I need to remove the cache
drive which doesn't exist anymore. Can't do it from the
original system since it won't boot because of the missing
cache. I can boot a live system and reconfigure it, if that is
possible
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1088 [14:06:36] <abrotman> Not that I'm trying to drive you
away, but there is also a #zfs
1089 [14:07:09] <sappel> uh, good idea, thanks :)
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1126 [14:33:50] <DoctorD90> abrotman thanks. So it will not waste
the ssd life :) thanks!
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1128 [14:34:29] <abrotman> Also, I don't work in the hardware
reliability department
1129 [14:34:31] <abrotman> :)
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1132 [14:37:33] <DoctorD90> yea yea, but a confirmation is always
welcome :) thanks
1133 [14:38:09] <DoctorD90> now i have to succeed to install
debian with uefi....
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1172 [15:10:59] <rrttyy> Hi, I'm using debian stable with
backports. I'm trying to write a simple GTK3 program.
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1175 [15:11:22] <rrttyy> $ pkg-config --cflags gtk+-3.0
1176 [15:11:26] <rrttyy> Package 'gl' requires
'libdrm >= 2.4.75' but version of libdrm is 2.4.68
1177 [15:11:58] <rrttyy> libdrm-common/stable,stable,now 2.4.97-1
all [installed]
1178 [15:12:05] <rrttyy> WHat could be the issue here?
1179 [15:12:17] <dvs> ,v libdrm-dev
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1181 [15:12:18] <judd> Package: libdrm-dev on amd64 -- jessie:
2.4.58-2; stretch: 2.4.74-1; stretch-backports: 2.4.95-1~bpo9+1;
buster: 2.4.97-1; bullseye: 2.4.100-4; sid: 2.4.100-4
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1183 [15:12:43] <rrttyy> libdrm-dev/stable,now 2.4.97-1 amd64
[installed]
1184 [15:13:15] <rrttyy> Will reinstalling libdrm fix this?
1185 [15:13:44] <rrttyy> I'm using intel integrated graphics.
DO I have the reinstall the common package or just the intel one?
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1187 [15:14:18] <openbsdtai123> Note that grub-install does not
work on stable i386. How to put the bootcode grub2 from debian
installer? --root-directory sda didnt work out. Is there a dd
possibility, like /usr/...bootcode.bin to be used in the installer?
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1206 [15:24:59] <boser> Ich wünsche allen ein gutes und
erfolgreiches neues Jahrzehnt!
1207 [15:25:12] <greycat> !de
1208 [15:25:12] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in
#debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) -
German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net,
irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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1240 [15:43:02] <openbsdtai123> I installed debian stable on i386.
I see "# bash: fdisk: command not found" (as root). I see
that you did forget to add /usr/sbin/ ... please add link to
/usr/sbin/. thank you very much.
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1242 [15:43:41] <greycat> !buster su
1243 [15:43:42] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put
"ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See
replaced-url
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1246 [15:44:45] <openbsdtai123> This is probably to increase
security, due to risks created by overuse of "sudo".
1247 [15:45:31] <openbsdtai123> you could also do the same with
"mount"?
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1255 [15:47:57] <greycat> It was not changed to "increase
security". It was changed because some ... lovely and talented
person ... decided that it would be better to switch to a different
upstream source for su.
1256 [15:48:21] <greycat> And instead of putting in a few minutes
of effort to make sure nothing would break for end users, they
decided to retain upstream's default behaviors.
1257 [15:48:29] <greycat> So we have... this.
1258 [15:48:51] <ksk> interesting. I was assuming it was done on
purpose ;)
1259 [15:48:51] <openbsdtai123> aahh...ok. this remember me
"sux" in the past, later removed, for X11.
1260 [15:49:05] <greycat> The wiki page linked by the bot gives
workarounds.
1261 [15:49:33] <openbsdtai123> there is always a specific need
and requirement. debian have numerous demands and companies.
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1264 [15:53:22] <openbsdtai123> It is a long process to see those
decisions in Debian. For decision making, Debian has a long
procedure. It must be on a strong, funded purpose.
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1269 [15:55:09] <Ede|Popede> it was friday and they all wanted to
get out for the weekend.
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1281 [15:58:19] <seaoftea> Is there a way to make change through
the "ip" command permanent without just editing the
interfaces file and duplicating it?
1282 [15:58:28] <greycat> no
1283 [15:58:38] <seaoftea> k, wow that was fast
1284 [15:58:40] <seaoftea> thanks
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1293 [16:05:17] <openbsdtai123> ifconfig can still be installed,
but highly deprecated
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1295 [16:05:42] <greycat> ifconfig also does not permanently alter
your configuration files
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1300 [16:06:16] <vladimir_> Мы вмешались в ваши выборы четыре года
назад.
1301 [16:06:17] <vladimir_> Мы будем вмешиваться в ваши выборы
снова в этом году.
1302 [16:06:18] <vladimir_> Россия будет править миром.
1303 [16:06:24] <openbsdtai123> You can edit the
/etc/network/interface by hand, and create /etc/wifi-wpa.conf ...
1304 [16:06:26] <greycat> ip (in older releases, ifconfig) is the
tool that gets used to set up the interface during boot
1305 [16:06:35] <seaoftea> So I've never figured out what the
proper way to edit the interfaces file and apply the changes without
reboot. I try to restart the networking service but interfaces
don't come back up. I try to manually bring them back up
through ip link set dev up and they don't come up. The only way
is to reboot :(
1306 [16:06:50] <greycat> the programs that read your config files
call upon ip (or ifconfig) to make the temporary setting for this
lifetime, and then it goes away when you shutdown
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1308 [16:07:24] <openbsdtai123> I can give you an example... it is
very easy... 2secs
1309 [16:07:29] <greycat> seaoftea: if you're using the
regular Debian tools, the proper way is to run "ifdown
yourif", then edit the file, then run "ifup yourif",
where yourif is the interface's name
1310 [16:07:46] <openbsdtai123> ifdown --force wlan0 ;) (--force
is needed)
1311 [16:07:51] <openbsdtai123> ifup wlan0
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1314 [16:08:20] <seaoftea> ok good to know. Going to try that
right now. Thanks!
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1316 [16:08:46] <greycat> of course *everyone* screws up and edits
the file first, even if they know better, so then you're forced
to scramble around wondering what broke and how to fix it, and then
you're better off just rebooting anyway...
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1318 [16:08:48] <GenTooMan> !cross-toolchains
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1328 [16:10:56] <openbsdtai123> For your wifi, it is simple, you
just need /etc/network/interface to have this :
replaced-url
1329 [16:11:14] <Razva> how can I search for a package that
provides a command/service? in CentOS is `yum provides command`
1330 [16:11:39] <Razva> I'm interested in the command, not a
specific file with `apt-file`
1331 [16:11:46] <greycat> !pdo
1332 [16:11:46] <dpkg>
replaced-url
1333 [16:11:48] <greycat> or apt-file
1334 [16:11:55] <openbsdtai123> After you just need to give the
wpa key, this is done with : wpa_passphrase myroutername mywpakey
> /etc/network/wifi.conf
1335 [16:12:01] <seaoftea> Holy cow it works! There is so much
disinformation on the internet about how to do this.
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1337 [16:12:46] <openbsdtai123> apt-get or aptitude are most
famous in debian. Example : apt-get update ; apt-get install
kde-standard
1338 [16:12:53] <Razva> for example I'm trying to see what
provides `smbd`, but without installing the slew of necessary stuff
for the samba-client
1339 [16:13:11] <greycat> ,file bin/smbd
1340 [16:13:16] <judd> Search for bin/smbd in buster/amd64: samba:
usr/sbin/smbd
1341 [16:13:26] <greycat> That's the third option.
1342 [16:13:35] <lord_rob> There's much disinformation for
everything on the internet seaoftea
1343 [16:13:51] <openbsdtai123> you can see info easily with :
apt-cache showpkg ctwm ; all infos in there.
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1345 [16:14:33] <Razva> did that
1346 [16:14:36] <Razva> # apt-cache showpkg smbd
1347 [16:14:36] <Razva> N: Unable to locate package smbd
1348 [16:14:49] <greycat> You read the output wrong. The package
name is "samba".
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1350 [16:15:13] <greycat> Search for <searchkey> in
<release>/<arch>: <pkgname>: <pathname>
1351 [16:15:13] <Razva> the initial question was this: how can I
search for a package that provides a command/service? in CentOS is
`yum provides command`
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1353 [16:15:26] <greycat> And I told you three ways to do it.
1354 [16:15:32] <Razva> ok, let me re-read
1355 [16:15:34] <boeg> I'm trying to use brightnessctl to
control my display backlight, but it requires sudo - can I add my
user to some group or something so my user gets permission?
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1357 [16:16:14] <openbsdtai123> alternative is to look for package
(files) into the web, simply with simple command line: links
"replaced-url
1358 [16:16:15] <greycat> If you add yourself to the sudo group,
you can run ANY command as any user with sudo. If you want finer
control, you have to visudo.
1359 [16:16:27] <greycat> openbsdtai123: pdo was the first choice
I gave
1360 [16:16:45] <greycat> second was apt-file, third was judd
,file
1361 [16:16:55] <Razva> I guess that this is the most simple
`Search the contents of packages` via
replaced-url
1362 [16:17:58] <Razva> `apt-file` it is I guess
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1366 [16:19:51] <openbsdtai123> Overuse of sudo (wihout a
password) might be a security breach. For instance, you download a
non-checked binary or source code, it can run system( " sudo
anything " ); and bring a backdoor easily in your system.
1367 [16:19:53] <jhutchins_wk> There's also apt-cache
1368 [16:20:07] <greycat> It's not a security breach.
It's your choice how you admin your own computer.
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1371 [16:20:53] <greycat> Running ANY compromised program will
screw you up.
1372 [16:21:19] <boeg> greycat: if I add myself to the sudo group,
would that just mean that I still have the safety of sudo but just
doesn't have to type my password after i've logged in as
my user?
1373 [16:21:38] <greycat> Being in the sudo group allows you to
use sudo.
1374 [16:21:50] <boeg> ah, but still with password right?
1375 [16:21:57] <greycat> NOT being in the sudo group means you
cannot use sudo, unless individual line-item entries are given unto
you in the sudoers file.
1376 [16:22:13] <boeg> right, I guess I am in the sudo group then
because I can use sudo
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1378 [16:22:21] <greycat> You will still be prompted for your
password in each terminal, and that password will remain valid
within that temrinal for ~15 minutes.
1379 [16:22:28] <dob1> if I have to add a new hdd just for data
it's important which label type I choose? gpt/dos ?
1380 [16:22:30] <boeg> greycat: problem is I don't want to
have to type my password when i use brightnessctl
1381 [16:22:38] <greycat> !sudo
1382 [16:22:38] <dpkg> [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by
default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me
about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super
user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things
like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with
"username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also
<sudo path>.
replaced-url
1383 [16:23:31] <boeg> right so that is weird because I
haven't myself enabled sudo. I'm on debian buster with
gnome. But it is enabled as far as I can tell
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1386 [16:24:22] <greycat> you can run "id" to see what
groups you're in
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1388 [16:24:56] <openbsdtai123> "sudo" is installed on
most installations of debian, with exception of minimum install.
"visudo" is recommended and is alvailable on most linux to
edit. "vi" origin.
1389 [16:25:05] <ksk> dob1: above a certain size (2T?) you want to
use GPT.
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1392 [16:25:38] <dob1> ksk, it's 2T
1393 [16:25:40] <greycat> openbsdtai123: *sigh* you're just
full of half-right answers today, and I am getting SO TIRED of
having to correct everything you say
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1395 [16:26:05] <DoctorD90> easly question. when i format a dis
with gparted in ext, it format it as sudo. To get ownershi I use
chown....my question is: is correct to get ownership of: lost+found
?
1396 [16:26:05] <ksk> dob1: I suppose if you have no reason
*against* using GTP, go for it - new and shiny! ;)
1397 [16:26:20] <greycat> ONE LAST ONE, and then I'm
/ignoring you. sudo is installed, and your initial Debian user
account is added to the sudo group, IF AND ONLY IF, you elect not to
enter a root password during installation.
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1399 [16:26:32] <dob1> ksk, I would like to know what it implies
from user point of view
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1401 [16:26:39] <ksk> dob1: nothing.
1402 [16:26:46] <dob1> ksk, ah ok then
1403 [16:26:51] <greycat> Because apparently some people see
"enter a root password" and leave it blank.
1404 [16:27:13] <ksk> there are technical difference of course,
but nothing a user storing files on that disk would experience
(imho..)
1405 [16:27:30] <krabador> beware of DoctorD90
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1408 [16:27:59] <dob1> ksk, I just find the UUID the same way with
blkid and the same in fstab too, right?
1409 [16:28:19] <ksk> DoctorD90: normal unix file
permissions/ownership foo applies - look at it seperately from
formating the disk.
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1411 [16:29:08] <ksk> dob1: I have problems parsing that question,
but sure, maybe.. As its not your primary drive (Where you boot
from) Id say give it a try.
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1413 [16:29:08] <DoctorD90> ciù krabador
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1415 [16:29:14] <DoctorD90> cià*
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1417 [16:29:40] <DoctorD90> ksk where could I go to check? :)
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1419 [16:30:12] <ksk> DoctorD90: check what exactly? I suppose you
should read up on how permissions work in linux.
1420 [16:30:24] <greycat> DoctorD90: you normally check by running
"ls -l"
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1424 [16:31:28] <DoctorD90> uhm...i think i know the linux
permission...I just do know about lost+found folder :P (thanks
greycat ! i thougth about some document)
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1426 [16:31:30] <openbsdtai123> greycat: it is an exageration from
your side. "sudo" with or without a password is fine.
Admin has to decide to do so or not.
1427 [16:31:52] <greycat> the lost+found directory is owned by
root
1428 [16:32:05] <greycat> it's where fsck puts little orphan
files that it discovers
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1437 [16:35:18] <DoctorD90> so it is better to give the ownership
of lost+found back to root :) thanks greycat ! great-cat as always
^^
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1449 [16:40:10] <jhutchins_wk> DoctorD90: It's usually best
to leave things at their default until you know why it's the
default, and know specifically why it should be changed.
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1453 [16:42:05] <reepanol> Hello every one. I am looking for a way
to connect directly to a caontainer docker (without sshd in
container). First I have to connect in SSH to the Swarm server, then
connect to container in local from swram. I tried something like
--> ssh root@server "docker exec -it myContainer bash"
but i get : "the input device is not a TTY". Is there a
method to do this 2 connections in one command ? Thanks a lot
1454 [16:42:11] <DoctorD90> jhutchins_wk i agree and I would like
to, but gparted configure ext partition with root as owner. The only
possibility I know is using chown -R user:user /media/user/folder
but this would give it to lost+found too
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1459 [16:45:41] <spacebug^> DoctorD90: don't use -R there
since that means recursive
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1463 [16:46:28] <DoctorD90> spacebug^ yea but than I dont have
access to write...or maybe it is just a my old bad memory :/ ....ok
I will try next time :D Thanks! :D
1464 [16:46:54] <greycat> Having write access to lost+found
won't matter if you don't actually WRITE to it.
1465 [16:47:00] <spacebug^> chown changes owner, chmod changes
permissions
1466 [16:47:12] <greycat> Changing it back to root is fine.
Leaving it chowned to you is fine, as long as you don't start
playing around in it.
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1468 [16:49:10] <DoctorD90> spacebug^ yea yea...i dont play at all
with permission of it. greycat ah ok. Yeah i dont play with it at
all :P
1469 [16:49:41] <DoctorD90> maybe i have to learn how to empy it
to retrieve possible space....but this is another topic and google
could help me :)
1470 [16:50:23] <greycat> fsck puts files there if it finds some
that are disconnected from their directories
1471 [16:50:58] <greycat> if you find any files there, they will
be nameless (some random string or number will be given to them,
because fsck cannot know what their names WERE), and you will have
to figure out what they are and where they belong by reading their
contents and metadata
1472 [16:53:08] <DoctorD90> yea, but I never trash anything from
it, so I dont know if I could do it manually, or there are any kind
of command :P and fortunatly never played with fsck on this
disk...even because it is with LUKS and i remeber that I have to
perfomr some action otherwise I could wipe the partition :P
(probably i have to fsck the mounted luks and not the luks partition
itself...I dont remember cause as said, I never used it :P)
1473 [16:53:17] <DoctorD90> (manually)
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1480 [16:53:38] <greycat> There is no "command". It is
100% manual at that point.
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1488 [16:56:18] <spacebug^> I'm running a few VMs (QEMU/KVM).
When I want to backup them I have to use sudo in one place of my
script (replaced-url
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1494 [17:00:11] <goofball64> when i run "vi" on terminal
it starts Vim, however I don't have the package "vim"
installed
1495 [17:00:19] <goofball64> what is the difference between both?
1496 [17:00:22] <greycat> "dpkg -l vim\*"
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1498 [17:01:16] <greycat> wooledg:~$ apt-cache show vim-tiny |
grep Priority
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1500 [17:01:16] <greycat> Priority: important
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1502 [17:02:32] <goofball64> thanks greycat
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1512 [17:10:24] <jhutchins_wk> goofball64: There are several
versions of vim available with various feature sets.
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1531 [17:15:21] <goofball64> jhutchins_wk which one is the
standard one?
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1537 [17:20:09] <jhutchins_wk> goofball64: I'm not really
sure - probably whatever's installed on your system. I tend to
install vim-nox (no X integration, everything else), and I believe
vim-tiny is always installed.
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1539 [17:21:10] <seaoftea> +1 for vim-nox
1540 [17:22:11] <boeg> How can I disable bluetooth so it
doesn't start automatically on boot? I'm just running
buster, haven't done any configuration to bluetooth myself
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1542 [17:26:27] <boeg> I've tried systemctl disable
bluetooth.service but get the error update-rc.d error permission
denied
1543 [17:26:46] <boeg> ah, I have to use sudo even though it asks
me for password without
1544 [17:26:47] <boeg> works now
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1546 [17:27:48] <jhutchins_wk> boeg: You'll need either sudo
or root to make changes that affect the whole system like that.
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1550 [17:28:34] <boeg> right, I just thought because it asks for
password when I do it without sudo but that's not enough it
seems
1551 [17:28:38] <boeg> have to also do sudo
1552 [17:28:39] <boeg> works now
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1554 [17:29:44] <greycat> That is... interesting. I have no idea
why it has this big song-and-dance authentication dialog.
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1562 [17:31:37] <boeg> greycat: yeah, bit confusing at least
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1610 [18:01:39] <nugax> anyone know anything about telnetd
1611 [18:02:05] <greycat> I know that I usually end up /ignoring
people who ask questions about it.
1612 [18:02:30] <nugax> lol
1613 [18:03:05] <nugax> im just trying to get in.telnetd to stay
running after a user disconnects. I am running it from command line.
(i need to run from command line, not inetd, xinetd)
1614 [18:03:37] <nugax> by default, it seems to stop the program
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1616 [18:03:55] <greycat> It doesn't run directly. It runs
under inetd, or xinetd, or tcpserver, or systemd socket-activation.
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1618 [18:04:08] <nugax> lol, yes it does.
1619 [18:04:14] <greycat> *plonk*
1620 [18:04:15] <nugax> with -degug <port>
1621 [18:04:22] <nugax> -debug
1622 [18:04:27] <greycat> Pattern is holding strong.
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1624 [18:04:55] <nugax> well, what you said isnt true.
1625 [18:05:01] <nugax> im running it from command line right now
1626 [18:05:11] <nugax> dont help folks if you dont know the
answer.
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1628 [18:06:10] <nugax> The -debug option may
1629 [18:06:10] <nugax> be used to start up telnetd manually,
instead of through inetd(8). If
1630 [18:06:11] <nugax> started up this way, port may be specified
to run telnetd on an alternate
1631 [18:06:11] <nugax> TCP port number.
1632 [18:06:28] <nugax> maybe your problems with users, are you.
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1644 [18:13:12] <Labu> Hello*
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1646 [18:13:18] <greycat> I probably need to cut out the waiting
period and just go STRAIGHT to the /ignore when they bring up
in.telnetd. Every single time, it's someone doing something
WRONG, and every single time, they are ARROGANT in their wrongness.
Docker users, or black hats, makes no difference.
1647 [18:14:01] <Labu> I have debian 10 installed on a lenovo
x270. It works fine excepted the audio. I don't have the
internal speaker and if I plug a normal stereo jack on the combo
jack I hear only one channel if I plug a combo jack in, the two
channel are mixed together on the right end on the left. Is there
some drivers for this hardware ?
1648 [18:14:11] <Labu> here the audio device from lspci: 00:1f.3
Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio
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1652 [18:17:35] <jhutchins_wk> Labu: What do you mean by combo
jack?
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1656 [18:19:31] <Labu> it's a jack with headphones and mic
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1662 [18:20:26] <Labu> jhutchins_wk: like headphones for mobile
phone
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1668 [18:21:10] <JordiGH> Do we have something that can run this?
I think it's Apple IIe BASIC:
replaced-url
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1674 [18:25:00] <Labu> like this jhutchins_wk
replaced-url
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1681 [18:28:54] <cholby> hello
1682 [18:28:56] <jhutchins_wk> Labu: With a mic then.
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1684 [18:29:19] <jhutchins_wk> Labu: It sounds like a mechanical
problem, like the contacts in the jack are not lining up with the
right band on the plug.
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1700 [18:34:24] <b1ack0p> hi
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1705 [18:36:44] <boeg> Is there an application in the repositories
for controlling keyboard backlight? Like brightnessctl but for
keyboard backlight
1706 [18:37:10] <Labu> I've never had this problem already
jhutchins_wk . With the previous x250 everything worked fine. I
understand that jack for apple and for other device have differences
in the band emplacement. But a stereo jack should work with. If I
plug a stereo jack on my android phone it works. I dont understand
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1717 [18:43:53] <H2Q> hello, is enigmail going to be available
anytime soon?
1718 [18:44:11] <greycat> ,v enigmail
1719 [18:44:12] <judd> Package: enigmail on amd64 -- jessie:
2:1.9.9-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2:1.9.9-1~deb8u1;
stretch-security: 2:1.9.9-1~deb9u1; stretch: 2:2.0.8-5~deb9u1;
buster: 2:2.0.12+ds1-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 2:2.0.12+ds1-1;
buster-proposed-updates: 2:2.1.3+ds1-4~deb10u2; buster-security:
2:2.1.3+ds1-4~deb10u2; sid: 2:2.1.3+ds1-4
1720 [18:44:21] <greycat> looks pretty available
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1723 [18:44:43] <H2Q> not for current thunderbird version ,as it
seems
1724 [18:45:07] <jhutchins_wk> Not listed for bullseye for some
reason.
1725 [18:45:16] <greycat> *shrug*
1726 [18:45:21] <annadane> well, testing packages can get removed
1727 [18:45:23] <greycat> yes it is.
1728 [18:45:28] <greycat> bullseye: 2:2.0.12+ds1-1;
1729 [18:45:54] <H2Q> do I need to add something to sources file?
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1731 [18:46:17] <H2Q> because currently it gives not compatible
message
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1738 [18:47:59] <H2Q> I am using stretch
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1740 [18:48:51] <greycat> That would have been nice to know
earlier. I already closed my google search tab because most of the
bugs results were talking about older versions. Like stretch.
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1742 [18:49:00] <greycat> #909000
1743 [18:49:01] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1744 [18:49:25] <greycat> of course, judd says there's
already a 2.0.x in stretch, so *shrug*
1745 [18:49:36] <jhutchins_wk> D'Oh!
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1748 [18:50:52] <greycat> Running an older-than-stable release of
Debian on a desktop system, and then expecting fancy big-GUI
applications to work properly, is really stretching things. No pun
intended.
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1750 [18:51:20] <H2Q> is stretch already 'old'?
1751 [18:51:26] <greycat> !buster
1752 [18:51:26] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current
<stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06.
"Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see
replaced-url
1753 [18:51:36] <greycat> About 6 months.
1754 [18:51:38] <b1ack0p> !bastard :p
1755 [18:51:48] <H2Q> yeah
1756 [18:52:01] <H2Q> ok what can I do for fixing this on stretch?
it is definitely not old.
1757 [18:52:11] <b1ack0p> oh i didnt know this >
"Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story
1758 [18:52:19] <greycat> I'd start by reading that bug
report. And then maybe reading other bug reports about these two
packages.
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1760 [18:52:56] <H2Q> maybe there is a one-liner to fix this for
people like me
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1762 [18:53:19] <greycat> the one-liner would be "dpkg,
stretch->buster"
1763 [18:53:44] <H2Q> ok, maybe someone else can suggest another
option
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1766 [18:56:37] <greycat> !crickets
1767 [18:56:37] * dpkg chirps
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1770 [18:58:38] <H2Q> so enigmail being disabled is a known
unsolved issue with stretch, then
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1772 [18:59:02] <greycat> Do not take silence for agreement.
1773 [18:59:11] <greycat> Nobody knows, or nobody cares. Or both.
1774 [18:59:37] <H2Q> nobody cares but nobody cares enough to be
here. interesting
1775 [18:59:55] <greycat> Any sane person would just upgrade to
the current stable release.
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1777 [19:00:31] <H2Q> since when is it called insanity not to use
the only 6 month-old current version?
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1779 [19:00:38] <H2Q> as far as debian is concerned
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1781 [19:00:59] <greycat> It is not "6 months old". It
BECAME OBSOLETE 6 MONTHS AGO.
1782 [19:01:01] <H2Q> a while ago, if I said that myself here,
I'd be bashed
1783 [19:01:03] <greycat> !stretch
1784 [19:01:04] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current
<oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17.
"Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see
replaced-url
1785 [19:01:07] <greycat> !stretch freeze
1786 [19:01:07] <ksk> talking about that does not solve your
problem, does it? whats so insane about updating anyways? :>
1787 [19:01:07] <dpkg> Stretch is frozen as of 2017-02-05; see
replaced-url
1788 [19:01:21] <greycat> It is almost THREE YEARS old, by freeze
date. Minus a month.
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1790 [19:01:52] <H2Q> when did buster come out, or whatever that
is called?
1791 [19:01:55] <greycat> !buster
1792 [19:01:55] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current
<stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06.
"Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see
replaced-url
1793 [19:02:00] <greycat> 6 months ago.
1794 [19:02:58] <H2Q> and since when is the previous release
becoming obsolete the moment the next one comes out?
1795 [19:03:21] <drGspot> any news on ppc64eb...? ppc64el is in
release, ppc32 droped from release few years ago, just heard that in
april ppc64eb could also drop... this evening we just have an
discussion on #powerPcGnuLinuxNotebook on the issue
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1799 [19:04:57] <H2Q> does "obsolete" mean no more
updates/maintenance for stretch?
1800 [19:05:33] <ksk> H2Q: first of all, debian stable means not
changing. meaning that with the freeze (of stretch) no software will
get updated besides security updates
1801 [19:06:04] <greycat> (and one can see from judd's output
that a new version of enigmail DID go into stretch post-release)
1802 [19:06:25] <greycat> stretch-security: 2:1.9.9-1~deb9u1;
stretch: 2:2.0.8-5~deb9u1;
1803 [19:06:59] <greycat> (so this was clearly one of the
exceptional cases where a rule was bent)
1804 [19:06:59] <H2Q> ksk, then buster is frozen since 6.7.2019,
too, right?
1805 [19:07:07] <ksk> you came here for help with enigmal in
stretch - but it seems nobody is using that software on that debian
release. We suggest you update to buster.
1806 [19:07:32] <ksk> !buster freeze
1807 [19:07:32] <dpkg> Buster will start the freeze process on
2019-01-12 see
replaced-url
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1809 [19:08:17] <H2Q> so currently both stretch and buster are
"frozen", hence getting the same limited level of updates,
right?
1810 [19:08:22] <ksk> a freeze is always before the relase, halve
a year maybe? In that time the release team tries to remove any
known bugs and testing can be done with a non-changing environment
1811 [19:08:52] <greycat> dpkg, buster freeze =~ s/will
start/started/
1812 [19:08:53] <dpkg> greycat: OK
1813 [19:09:05] <ksk> what makes you say that? I dont think
anything said in here indicates that.
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1815 [19:09:58] <ksk> Buster is stable, so it has full support.
Stretch is oldstable, and will be supported by the debian core team
until mid 2020 - and by the LTS team after that
1816 [19:10:07] <H2Q> ok
1817 [19:10:13] <H2Q> that was what I was after to hear
1818 [19:10:23] <H2Q> so it is still supported. that was my
question above
1819 [19:10:28] <jhutchins_wk> That does not mean it will get new
packages, or packages with updated features.
1820 [19:10:34] <ksk> H2Q: see
replaced-url
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1822 [19:10:58] <jhutchins_wk> ,v thunderbird
1823 [19:10:59] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie:
1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:60.8.0-1~deb9u1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 1:60.9.0-1~deb9u1; buster:
1:60.9.0-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:60.9.0-1; jessie-security:
1:68.3.0-2~deb8u1; stretch-security: 1:68.3.0-2~deb9u1;
buster-proposed-updates: 1:68.3.0-2~deb10u1; buster-security:
1:68.3.0-2~deb10u1; sid: 1:68.3.1-1
1824 [19:11:18] <H2Q> the way it was projected earlier above was
as if it was insane -as it was literally expressed- to use stretch
by now
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1826 [19:12:47] <H2Q> anyway. the summary; if I want to use
enigmail, go to buster. else it is good to go to buster, too.
1827 [19:13:02] <jhutchins_wk> Perhaps instead of arguing in
circles about debian update policies, we should look at the actual
problem. What causes a "not compatible" message to be
displayed? Which program displays it? What is the actual text
that's displayed? What does enigmail and/or thunderbird support
say is required?
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1829 [19:13:26] <H2Q> jhutchins_wk, i can post the output
1830 [19:13:32] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: you might also ask them to
report what versions of enigmail and thunderbird are installed
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1833 [19:13:51] <greycat> I'm not convinced they're even
using the correct sources.list at this point. There were NO details
given.
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1837 [19:15:59] <H2Q>
replaced-url
1838 [19:15:59] <jhutchins_wk> H2Q: Yes, include the versions and
where you got them. Possibly pastebin your sources.list.
1839 [19:16:07] <H2Q> jhutchins_wk ^
1840 [19:17:26] <H2Q> jhutchins_wk,
replaced-url
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1843 [19:18:25] <jhutchins_wk> H2Q: And what's the installed
version of thunderbird?
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1846 [19:19:05] <H2Q> jhutchins_wk Thunderbird 68.3.0
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1848 [19:19:28] <H2Q> jhutchins_wk the system has the enigmail
package v. 2:2.0.8-5~deb9u1
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1850 [19:20:36] <ksk> mhhm, that would imply a version suitable
for enigmail. what does "dpkg -l thunderbird" say?
1851 [19:21:51] <H2Q> ksk,
replaced-url
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1853 [19:22:31] <gfggfgg> Lol
1854 [19:22:31] <ksk> mhhm, that does not add up at all, if you
asked me :(
1855 [19:22:37] <gfggfgg> Hi all
1856 [19:23:18] <gfggfgg> dpkg -i hi
1857 [19:23:18] * dpkg installs hi into gfggfgg's head with a bone
saw and a few screws
1858 [19:23:54] <gfggfgg> dpkg -i thunderbird
1859 [19:23:54] <dpkg> package thunderbird is already installed
1860 [19:24:17] <jhutchins_wk> It _looks_ like a
packaging/dependency error.
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1862 [19:24:18] <gfggfgg> dpkg -i irssi
1863 [19:24:18] <dpkg> package irssi is already installed
1864 [19:24:42] <gfggfgg> dpkg -i nc; whois
1865 [19:24:42] * dpkg removes a lung from gfggfgg and replaces it with
nc; whois
1866 [19:24:50] <greycat> please stop
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1868 [19:24:52] <jhutchins_wk> gfggfgg: Please stop abusing the
bot.
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1870 [19:25:13] <gfggfgg> dpkg -i virtualbox
1871 [19:25:14] <dpkg> package virtualbox is already installed
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1874 [19:25:27] <greycat> Please stop.
1875 [19:25:44] <gfggfgg> dpkg -i android-sdk
1876 [19:25:44] * dpkg removes a lung from gfggfgg and replaces it with
android-sdk
1877 [19:25:49] <gfggfgg> Ok
1878 [19:25:54] <gfggfgg> Ssup
1879 [19:25:54] *** greycat sets mode: +q gfggfgg!*@*
1880 [19:26:02] <seere> H2Q: can you pastebin the output of
"apt-cache policy enigmail"
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1882 [19:26:50] <diogenes_> heh i'd have already been kicked
for that.
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1888 [19:28:18] <H2Q> seere,
replaced-url
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1896 [19:32:48] <seere> H2Q: and the same for "apt-cache
policy thunderbird"
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1898 [19:33:39] <H2Q> seere,
replaced-url
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1905 [19:38:23] <seere> H2Q: looks a little bit weird, should work
according to what I see. Wait a minute - just installing a fresh
stretch system.
1906 [19:39:00] <H2Q> seere, sure, thank you
1907 [19:40:16] <Brohamulous> W00t ! W00t Debian voted option B
for init not as good as option A but better than option F. Maybe I
don't have to move to MacOSX or OpenBSD aftterall.
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1909 [19:40:44] <Brohamulous> Systemd is a windows-like plague on
the earth. Linux is becoming windows corrupted by corporations
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1915 [19:45:37] <JordiGH> Hm, is there really nothing in Debian
that can interpret Applesoft Basic?
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1917 [19:47:45] <JordiGH> ,v bwbasic
1918 [19:47:46] <judd> Package: bwbasic on amd64 -- jessie:
2.20pl2-11; bullseye: 2.20pl2-11+b2; buster: 2.20pl2-11+b2; sid:
2.20pl2-11+b2; stretch: 2.20pl2-11+b2
1919 [19:48:36] <joepublic> I'd love to see freebasic in
debian, but am not holding my breath.
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1922 [19:50:21] <seere> H2Q: can confirm that on a fresh stretch
install.
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1930 [19:52:43] <H2Q> seere, have the same error?
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1932 [19:52:56] <seere> H2Q: yes.
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1934 [19:55:58] <seere> H2Q: file a bug report.
1935 [19:56:34] <H2Q> seere, right, I can do it
1936 [19:56:53] <H2Q> seere, everyone, thank you for your time and
help
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1938 [19:57:22] <Dibejzer> Hey guys, a quick queestion, if someone
has time. Been installing everything with SUDO, and thing ain't
going great... About to do the clean installation of debian. Should
desktop manger, window manager and x11 be installed with sudo?
1939 [19:57:43] <gry> why not?
1940 [19:57:52] <seere> H2Q: looks a little bit strange -
according to the direct deps it SHOULD install
1941 [19:57:57] <Dibejzer> I have no idea
1942 [19:57:58] <greycat> Installing packages requires root.
Whether you do that with su, with sudo, or by logging in directly as
root, makes no difference.
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1944 [19:58:05] <gry> Dibejzer: are you installing from debian
packages?
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1947 [19:58:16] <Dibejzer> gry i'm going with a minimal
install of Debian
1948 [19:58:19] <gry> Dibejzer: it is normal to install debian
packages using sudo
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1950 [19:58:31] <Dibejzer> Not gonna lie, I'm still pretty
low on the learning curve with this linux thingie
1951 [19:58:38] <Dibejzer> gry: really?
1952 [19:58:47] <greycat> Installing packages requires root.
Whether you do that with su, with sudo, or by logging in directly as
root, makes no difference.
1953 [19:58:47] <Dibejzer> i've been told that it should be
avoided as often as possible
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1955 [19:59:09] <gry> Dibejzer: i write 'sudo apt install
<package name>' all the time; who says it should be
avoided? maybe i do not know something
1956 [19:59:25] <Dibejzer> gry: Some other nerd on the #Linux
channel
1957 [19:59:30] <Dibejzer> I don't know :D
1958 [19:59:35] <gry> Dibejzer: do you remember their nickname?
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1960 [19:59:54] <greycat> It's also quite possible you
misunderstood.
1961 [19:59:55] <Dibejzer> gry: Nope, was a few weeks ago
1962 [20:00:09] <greycat> They might have been saying something
like "don't stay logged in as root all the time".
1963 [20:00:12] <Dibejzer> well i pretty much ended up having to
type my password whatever I do
1964 [20:00:16] <Dibejzer> even if i'm accessing my home
1965 [20:00:25] <greycat> what
1966 [20:00:26] <Dibejzer> also, wine won't work because of
the permissions for the .wine folder
1967 [20:00:30] <Dibejzer> and i can't chown it
1968 [20:00:45] <Dibejzer> so... sudo is not bad after all?
1969 [20:00:49] <gry> no
1970 [20:00:52] <greycat> this sounds like you tried to run wine
AS ROOT in the past, and it created a .wine as root inside your
non-root home.
1971 [20:01:00] <Dibejzer> like, it's okay to install stuff
as root instead of locally?
1972 [20:01:02] <greycat> Do not run graphical things as root.
1973 [20:01:16] <greycat> Meanwhile, sudo rm -rf ~/.wine might not
be a bad move.
1974 [20:01:22] <gry> installing debian packages as root is ok
1975 [20:01:28] <Dibejzer> i tried rm -rf several times
1976 [20:01:30] <Dibejzer> no luck
1977 [20:01:47] <greycat> !doesn't work
1978 [20:01:47] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
1979 [20:01:50] <gry> show what you are trying to run
1980 [20:01:56] <gry> and what error message does it tell you
1981 [20:02:00] <Dibejzer> just a sec :)
1982 [20:02:05] <gry> thanks :-)
1983 [20:03:47] <Dibejzer> well basically wine path/to/program.exe
ain't working
1984 [20:03:54] <Dibejzer> The installation stops
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1986 [20:04:02] <Dibejzer> because the app has no permissions for
the drive Z
1987 [20:05:37] <Dibejzer> also, i need to type SU password
whenever I'm accessing my user's home
1988 [20:05:57] <Dibejzer> dunno where those trust issues stem
from
1989 [20:05:58] <gry> show the command you are running
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1991 [20:06:00] <gry> and the error message
1992 [20:06:15] <gry> put it to
replaced-url
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1994 [20:07:18] <Dibejzer> it's not pasteable
1995 [20:07:19] <Dibejzer> but
1996 [20:07:27] <Dibejzer> I do get a pop up window
1997 [20:07:28] <Dibejzer> saying
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2000 [20:07:44] <Dibejzer> Setup wasa unable to create the
directory "Z:\Games". Error 5: Access denied
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2003 [20:08:15] <Dibejzer> command is nothing but wine
/home/milos/Documents/setup.exe
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2006 [20:09:53] <diogenes_> Dibejzer, ls -l $HOME
2007 [20:09:56] <seere> H2Q: Got it, as info for your bug report.
The stretch thunderbird has "breaks: enigmail (<<
2:2.1.2~)" in it's dependencies, so enigmail from the
repos could not be installed along with it.
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2012 [20:10:18] <gry> Dibejzer: you're not running that wine
command as root, are you?
2013 [20:10:19] <Kohlrabi> <Dibejzer> also, i need to type
SU password whenever I'm accessing my user's home | that
sounds pretty broken, you have probably inadvertently changed the
permissions/owner of your homedirectory
2014 [20:10:25] <mutante> that's a lot of k-lines at once
2015 [20:10:28] <gry> Dibejzer: or as sudo
2016 [20:10:32] <Dibejzer> diogenes_: you want me to coppy
everything?
2017 [20:10:39] <diogenes_> Dibejzer, pastebin.
2018 [20:10:48] <Dibejzer> gry: i tried it both ways, tbh
i've been throwing that sudo like crazy, first linux run
2019 [20:11:18] <gry> Dibejzer: move your ~/.wine to ~/.wine.1,
and run it again, this time without sudo
2020 [20:11:19] <Dibejzer> diogenes_:
replaced-url
2021 [20:11:28] <ksk> as the grey cat pointed out, this will be
the reason of your problems. first delete .wine (with sudo) then
start again by calling wine as user
2022 [20:11:29] <Kohlrabi> for starters, try to only use sudo when
installing or removing something with apt. If something else
doesn't work, try to find out *why* first, and do not resort to
using sudo immediately. And avoid looking at the Ubuntu wiki, most
answers there make pointless use of sudo.
2023 [20:11:48] <gry> Dibejzer: i haven't seen wine being run
as root before
2024 [20:11:51] <gry> Dibejzer: it has all C:/ drive in your home
directory
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2026 [20:12:05] <Kohlrabi> sorry, not Ubuntu wiki, but Ubuntu
stackexchange
2027 [20:12:05] <gry> Dibejzer: so if you want another user to use
the same application, they install it separately
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2032 [20:12:45] <Dibejzer> phew
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2034 [20:13:03] <Dibejzer> lemme process that for a sec
2035 [20:13:10] * seere wishes packages.debian.org would display Breaks:
together with the other deps
2036 [20:13:28] <Dibejzer> ksk: tried that, ain't working
2037 [20:13:33] <Dibejzer> sudo, no sudo, same thing happnes
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2039 [20:13:45] <ksk> Dibejzer: and what did not work, and how?
2040 [20:13:55] <Dibejzer> ksk: same error happnes
2041 [20:13:59] <ksk> did you, first of all, delete ~/.wine, and
after that made sure it does not exist anymore?
2042 [20:13:59] <Dibejzer> gonna try the gry's solution now
2043 [20:14:31] <Kohlrabi> again, if you cannot access your home
without being su you have "bigger" problems than wine not
working
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2046 [20:14:43] <ksk> thats not at all what he said.
2047 [20:15:03] <greycat> 14:00 Dibejzer> well i pretty much
ended up having to type my password whatever I do 14:00 Dibejzer>
even if i'm accessing my home
2048 [20:15:10] <greycat> I'm still not sure what that MEANS.
2049 [20:15:11] <Dibejzer> ksk: multiple times, yes
2050 [20:15:15] <gry> ksk: i suggested to move ~/.wine to
~/.wine.1 and start again
2051 [20:15:22] <gry> ksk: without sudo
2052 [20:15:27] <ksk> eeeh. will not help if he cannot access
$HOME
2053 [20:15:33] <Dibejzer> Kohlrabi: yeah, i've been told
that before, that's why i want a fresh start
2054 [20:15:34] <gry> ksk: true
2055 [20:15:44] <gry> Dibejzer: you can fix it without reinstall,
i think
2056 [20:15:50] <Dibejzer> that's why i'm asking about
doing things with "su"
2057 [20:15:54] <Dibejzer> without*
2058 [20:15:59] <greycat> If you could tell us what the actual
problem IS, we could probably help you solve it.
2059 [20:16:01] <ksk> Dibejzer: sooo, please paste "ls -la
$HOME" (you missed the a the first pasted, not sure if you were
told to use it..)
2060 [20:16:19] <gry> greycat: he said the actual problem above
2061 [20:16:20] <Dibejzer> just a sec :)
2062 [20:16:27] <greycat> gry: not clearly enough for me to
understand
2063 [20:16:48] <ksk> Dibejzer: also add in the output of
"id" please
2064 [20:16:51] <greycat> I need "here's the output of
ls -la" or "when I do ___ the computer says ___"
2065 [20:16:53] <jhutchins_wk> It's probably not a bad idea
to read the sudo manpage.
2066 [20:17:00] <gry> greycat: "I run `wine
/home/milos/Documents/setup.exe` and it says error `Setup wasa
unable to create the directory "Z:\Games". Error 5: Access
denied` in a popup dialog"
2067 [20:17:06] <jhutchins_wk> ... lost in the scrollbuffer again.
2068 [20:17:15] <gry> jhutchins_wk: hi!
2069 [20:17:23] <Dibejzer> manpage?
2070 [20:17:32] <greycat> I don't know wine well enough to
help with that. I'm more worried about the OTHER vague stuff
like "I need to type my password to access my home".
2071 [20:17:41] <greycat> Does that simply mean they are logging
in? Or whaT?
2072 [20:17:44] <Dibejzer> greycat:
replaced-url
2073 [20:17:48] <jhutchins_wk> just type man sudo in a console
window.
2074 [20:17:59] <gry> Dibejzer: could you please clarify this for
greycat
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2076 [20:18:05] <Akuw__> in this line deb [trusted=yes]
file:///srv/local-apt-repository/ ./ what means ./ ?
2077 [20:18:09] <greycat> drwx------ 3 root root 4096 сеп 18 20:41
.dbus
2078 [20:18:16] <greycat> drwx------ 2 root root 4096 сеп 18 20:41
.gvfs
2079 [20:18:16] <Akuw__> i mean, point and slash
2080 [20:18:17] <greycat> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 окт 20 12:49
.jajaja
2081 [20:18:53] <greycat> sudo chown -R milos:milos ~/.dbus
~/.gvfs ~/.jajaja
2082 [20:18:56] <Dibejzer> greycat: I'm sorry, I'm a
linux newbie. Basically, i pretty much have to do everything with
sudo
2083 [20:18:59] <jhutchins_wk> Dibejzer: does Z: exist?
2084 [20:19:00] <Dibejzer> adding, removing folders
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2086 [20:19:01] <Dibejzer> in my home
2087 [20:19:11] <gry> Dibejzer: this is not normal
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2090 [20:19:29] <Dibejzer> yeah, i suspect that i effed up
something along the way
2091 [20:19:35] <ksk> Dibejzer: you should slow down, really. You
dont ever have to do anything with sudo, apart from managing the
system ( installing, updating packages)
2092 [20:19:54] <gry> Dibejzer: what about 'ls -la
/home' ?
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2094 [20:20:07] <Dibejzer> ksk: Yeah, thought so
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2096 [20:20:27] <greycat> gry: I don't think that'll be
necessary. We have "." from the ls -la $HOME already.
2097 [20:20:29] <Dibejzer> Someone here advised me some time ago
that I shouldn't even install programs as sudo, but do the
"make" thingy locally
2098 [20:20:33] <Dibejzer> is that correct or not?
2099 [20:20:43] <ksk> gry: he pasted that already (kind of..) -
since he can "ls -la $HOME" there seems to be +x on the
way ;)
2100 [20:20:53] <greycat> sudo chown -R milos:milos ~/.dbus
~/.gvfs ~/.jajaja
2101 [20:21:07] <ksk> Dibejzer: one problem/question after another
please.
2102 [20:21:09] <gry> greycat: i see, thanks for showing that
2103 [20:21:12] <greycat> and he can probably just remove that
rc.local file
2104 [20:21:15] <Dibejzer> greycat: I sudoed that
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2106 [20:21:32] <gry> Dibejzer: does that wine command still fail
now?
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2109 [20:21:45] <Dibejzer> rc.local
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2111 [20:21:45] <greycat> ~/.dbus is important enough you will at
*least* want to log out and back in after fixing it. Maybe even
reboot.
2112 [20:21:48] <Dibejzer> i remember that vaguely
2113 [20:21:54] <Dibejzer> i think i did something with function
keys there
2114 [20:21:56] <Dibejzer> or start up
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2118 [20:22:35] <Dibejzer> oh yeah, rc.local gives me the choice
of languages
2119 [20:22:36] <Dibejzer> #setxkbmap us,rs,rs -variant ,latin,
-option grp: alt_shift_toggle
2120 [20:22:40] <Dibejzer> this is the content
2121 [20:22:45] <Dibejzer> wasn't able to do it more pretty
lol
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2124 [20:23:14] <ksk> if you have a fully features desktop
installed, I would think it has an option to set somewhere in its
GUI
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2126 [20:23:34] <ksk> things like defining hotkeys, setting
languages etc.
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2128 [20:23:41] <Dibejzer> i'm running i3wm
2129 [20:23:45] <Dibejzer> it's kinda empty
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2132 [20:23:56] <ksk> kk, that is not "fully featured",
but nice ;)
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2136 [20:24:19] <Dibejzer> love the simplicity, but was a hell to
set up
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2138 [20:24:24] <Dibejzer> so, i should restart after the latest
changes
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2142 [20:25:01] <ksk> about the other question: you should always
install stuff via "apt", and really never compile stuff
yourself with "make" - for serveral reason. Everything you
get via apt is coming from debian, so you can expect it to be stable
and secure.
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2149 [20:25:24] <Dibejzer> what's the difference between apt
and-get ?
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2151 [20:25:30] <Dibejzer> and apt-get*
2152 [20:25:40] <greycat> !apt vs. apt-get
2153 [20:25:40] <dpkg> apt is promoted over apt-get for
interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format
differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an
install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades.
apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for
scripting.
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2155 [20:25:52] <ksk> In contrast, if you download "some
sourcecode" from the internet and compile it, anything could
happen (you just installed a virus, whatver) - not easy to tell if
you dont understand C/linux/computers and putin a lot of time and
effort
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2157 [20:26:05] <Dibejzer> !who killed marrylin monroe
2158 [20:26:10] <Dibejzer> ha, it doesn't listen to me
2159 [20:26:32] <ksk> dpkg does not discriminate. seems it does
not know an answer to that though :P
2160 [20:26:32] <dpkg> ksk: You are person #1 to send an
unparseable request
2161 [20:26:46] <greycat> it's also terrible at counting
2162 [20:27:09] <Dibejzer> !count
2163 [20:27:09] <dpkg> [count] what apt doesn't.
2164 [20:27:15] <Dibejzer> :O
2165 [20:27:34] <Dibejzer> cool stuff
2166 [20:28:05] <Dibejzer> think i'm gonna kill this ubuntu
abomination anyway
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2168 [20:28:26] <Dibejzer> so, sudo is okay
2169 [20:28:27] <Dibejzer> okay
2170 [20:28:35] <Dibejzer> Thanks a lot guys, wish me luck
2171 [20:28:43] <gry> run that wine command without sudo
2172 [20:28:50] <gry> after your reboot
2173 [20:28:58] <Dibejzer> will try to :)
2174 [20:29:00] <Dibejzer> brb
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2176 [20:29:16] <greycat> 14:28 Dibejzer> think i'm gonna
kill this ubuntu abomination anyway
2177 [20:29:17] <greycat> wut
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2179 [20:29:19] <ksk> he is running ubuntu, isnt he? ;)
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2195 [20:35:37] <Dibejzer> nah, chowning did not work
2196 [20:35:41] <Dibejzer> gonna murder it now
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2198 [20:35:50] <Dibejzer> thanks guys <3
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2200 [20:35:59] <greycat> This time install Debian instead of
Ubuntu. Or go to #ubuntu for support.
2201 [20:36:00] <ksk> Dibejzer: again, "did not work"
does not help at all
2202 [20:36:04] <greycat> too late.
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2206 [20:36:40] <ratrace> rampant ADHD
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2250 [21:06:09] <Mazhive> how do you correclty change a folder
with drwsr-sr-x to drwxr-xr-x
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2252 [21:06:47] <Guest11> hello human being I am looking for a
song which sounds like Nijibo Nijibo La La La La La or Nidschibo
Nidschibo Na na Na Na Na Na Na. Someone know the name?
2253 [21:06:48] <greycat> chmod g-s # because the setuid bit does
nothing and you just ignore it
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2258 [21:09:56] <Mazhive> super thanx..
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2279 [21:28:26] <karlpinc> The setgid bit does nothing only
sometimes. (I like my pam_umask to turn on user private groups.)
2280 [21:28:55] <greycat> I was speaking ONLY about directories.
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2282 [21:29:18] <greycat> The setuid bit on a directory does
nothing. The setgid bit causes new things created inside the
directory to inherit the parent dir group.
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2287 [21:30:00] <karlpinc> Ah. I didn't notice he had setuid
on his directory as well.
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2307 [21:43:30] <Slimmy> Xkeyboard extension not present on the
xserver, why do I get this while opening wireshark?
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2312 [21:44:06] <greycat> at a guess, you are trying to run
wireshark as user A while logged in to X as user B
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2316 [21:44:55] <Slimmy> huh??? How can I log in to x as A then?
Cause I only got one user
2317 [21:45:17] <Slimmy> I am through vnc though, so it could make
sense
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2321 [21:45:54] <greycat> very often in situations like that, one
of the two users in question is root
2322 [21:46:12] <greycat> the whole concept of "run a
graphical application as root" is broken and will only get more
broken before it gets better
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2324 [21:46:52] <Slimmy> Yeah, running as root gets me the same
result..
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2353 [22:04:11] <boeg> I have added HandleLidSwitch=suspend and
HandleLidSwitchExternalPower=suspend to my /etc/systemd/logind.conf
which makes suspend work on my machine, however my system
doesn't wake up when I open the lid. It only wakes up after i
press a key. How do I get it do wake up as the lid is opened?
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2377 [22:22:25] <maccraft123> is anyone good here at recovering
data?
2378 [22:22:48] <maccraft123> i accidentaly overwritten a gparted
live dvd on one of drives in my software raid0 array
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2380 [22:23:16] <maccraft123> i just need mbr, the data partition
is fine. i have placed a 4gb swap partition at the beginning of disk
2381 [22:23:27] <greycat> !fixmbr
2382 [22:23:27] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
2383 [22:23:39] <maccraft123> greycat: i need partition table
2384 [22:24:22] <greycat> when you say "data partition is
fine", does that mean you know where it begins and ends?
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2386 [22:24:47] <maccraft123> greycat: it is definetly not
overlapping with gparted image
2387 [22:25:02] <maccraft123> system runs fine, no io errors
2388 [22:25:09] <greycat> you will have to know the start and end
of the partition to create its entry in the partition table
2389 [22:25:16] <maccraft123> how to know it?
2390 [22:25:27] <maccraft123> is it printed in kernel message
buffer?
2391 [22:25:44] <greycat> either you have a stored copy of the
partition table from before, e.g. you dumped fdisk -l to a file and
backed it up, or you find some kind of forensic tool that scans for
file system signatures
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2394 [22:26:14] <slimefoot> if it's GPT, there might be a
copy of the partition table at the end, but I don't know much
more
2395 [22:26:16] <maccraft123> greycat:
replaced-url
2396 [22:26:26] <maccraft123> slimefoot: it is 500gb mbr disk
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2398 [22:26:35] <maccraft123> i have done same partition tables on
both drives
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2401 [22:26:55] <maccraft123> large boot/swap at the beginning,
then data partition reaching the end of drive
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2408 [22:29:28] <slimefoot> maccraft123: the output I get in
/sys/class/block/${disk}p$part/{start,size} at least matches with
what fdisk -l gives me, so if you can get that information, I'd
certainly note it down somewhere
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2410 [22:29:57] <maccraft123> slimefoot: then, the mbr is the same
on both drives
2411 [22:30:09] <maccraft123> apart from some uuid or something
2412 [22:30:55] <greycat> if you believe that to be the case, then
create partitions on the damaged drive that match the ones on the
intact drive, and pray
2413 [22:31:35] <maccraft123> /sys data is the same
2414 [22:31:41] <b1ack0p> maccraft123: are u here? O.o
2415 [22:31:44] <slimefoot> "the mbr is the same on both
drives"? I thought this was raid0, i.e. a single disk as far as
the partitions are concerned
2416 [22:32:01] <greycat> they *could* have set matching
partitions, and then done RAID 0 across them
2417 [22:32:10] <maccraft123> i have software raid0
2418 [22:32:14] <greycat> there are many, many ways to do it
2419 [22:32:15] <slimefoot> ah, I see
2420 [22:32:51] <maccraft123> 4gb data/swap partition and raid
partition reaching the end of drive
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2426 [22:34:34] <maccraft123> ok i have uuids in /etc/fstab
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2438 [22:41:24] <maccraft123> well guys
2439 [22:41:32] <maccraft123> fixed it :D
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2443 [22:42:27] <maccraft123> greycat: it works :D thanks
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2466 [22:58:53] <pthreat> Hello I am having serious problems
trying to install a debian 10 net install iso image on my computer
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2470 [23:00:04] <pthreat> The computer has an integrated radeon
vega 11 graphics card it is connected through HDMI
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2472 [23:00:55] <pthreat> The initial install screen shows fine,
when I select the install option what is described on the image I
pasted above happens
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2480 [23:08:08] <pthreat> Solved by setting vga=771
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2486 [23:11:41] <Labu> pthreat you can load some firmware before
install. otherwise you can perform install with vga option and
install the drivers after
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2490 [23:14:14] <pthreat> Labu: It's ok, it was just the vga
mode I'll see what comes up after the install
2491 [23:14:19] <pthreat> I couldn't even install anything
2492 [23:14:33] <ALowther> I have written the Debian ISO to a USB.
I plugged it into an old computer of mine and it saw the USB but did
not offer any boot options. I plugged the same drive into my laptop
and it booted right into the installer. I have been doing some
reading and I am wondering if my computer is old and doesn't
support UEFI, causing the issue. Would that make sense?
2493 [23:14:44] <ALowther> If so, what are my options to install
Debian on the older computer?
2494 [23:14:57] <ksk> ALowther: you dont need UEFI to install
debian
2495 [23:15:11] <ksk> check the bios on how to enable booting from
usb
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2497 [23:15:33] <ksk> if its not like a Pentium 2 it should be
able to boot from usb.
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2499 [23:16:04] <ALowther> ksk: Do I need to install a different
ISO? I went through all of the BIOS options yesterday and saw
nothing related that fixed the issue. In the GRUB shell I was able
to detect the drive and the ISO partition.
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2501 [23:16:34] <ksk> !usb install
2502 [23:16:35] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB
stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your
system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the
Installation Guide, see
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2503 [23:16:50] <ALowther> !plop
2504 [23:16:50] <dpkg> Plop Boot Manager is a boot loader with
built-in IDE CD-ROM and USB drivers. This allows booting from CD-ROM
and USB on legacy PC systems without BIOS support. Plop Boot Manager
is proprietary but free for personal and non-commercial use.
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2505 [23:17:16] <dvs> ALowther, it depends on how you wrote the
ISO to the USB drive.
2506 [23:17:17] <ksk> again, I doubt your computer does not
support that. How did you put the image onto the stick?
2507 [23:17:24] <ALowther> dvs: With dd
2508 [23:17:48] <dvs> What was the command?
2509 [23:17:52] <ALowther> dd if=debian.iso out=/dev/sda2 bs=8m
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2511 [23:18:01] <dvs> wrong
2512 [23:18:07] <ksk> cut the 2 :P
2513 [23:18:07] <dvs> /dev/sda
2514 [23:18:25] <ksk> it will replace any partitions on the stick,
so have a backup ;)
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2516 [23:18:35] <dvs> ALowther, whatever is on the USB drive will
be erased.
2517 [23:18:40] <ALowther> It's a USB dedicated for it so
that's fine.
2518 [23:19:23] <ALowther> Any idea why the installer properly
loaded on my laptop if I incorrectly wrote it?
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2520 [23:19:41] <ALowther> Oh
2521 [23:19:45] <ALowther> Nvm, I wrote it correctly
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2524 [23:19:55] <ALowther> dd if=debian.iso out=/dev/disk2 bs=8m
2525 [23:20:18] <pedromrgoncalves> hi all!
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2527 [23:20:44] <pedromrgoncalves> any1 knows how can i send image
from debian (no gui) to usb display?
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2530 [23:21:44] <pedromrgoncalves> i've got it connected but
ony displays some post boot messages
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2539 [23:26:40] <pthreat> ALowther: I just cp debian.iso to
/dev/sdX and it worked :P
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2542 [23:28:01] <dvs> no sync? naughty!
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2545 [23:29:03] <pthreat> dvs sync after of course
2546 [23:30:24] <pthreat> :)
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2550 [23:32:24] <ALowther> pthreat: I'm not sure. I will give
that a shot.
2551 [23:32:47] <pthreat> ALowther: I just read it from the manual
I wasn't sure either I used to use dd
2552 [23:33:39] <ALowther> pthreat: I imagine the power of dd has
to do with block sizing, I'm not sure. I don't understand
much at that level of a drive.
2553 [23:33:42] <karlpinc> Too bad pderomrgoncalves is so
impatient.
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2555 [23:34:14] <ksk> does not matter if you use dd or cp - cp
just has better default values
2556 [23:34:18] <karlpinc> ALowther: If you're installing
debian the non-free isos that include non-free firmware are really
handy.
2557 [23:34:22] <karlpinc> !firmware images
2558 [23:34:22] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
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2560 [23:34:37] <pthreat> karlpinc: well, copying an iso image out
of the blind depends on skill, or an ssh connection to that machine
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2566 [23:37:16] <ALowther> karlpinc: Hmmm, thank you.
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2568 [23:38:01] <andyjpb> Hi peeps!
2569 [23:38:17] <andyjpb> I've had ls and an alias for ls -F
for a couple of decades
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2572 [23:38:38] <andyjpb> but now I've upgraded from Jessie
to Buster it keeps appending the type characters to the file names
even when I use it in a pipe
2573 [23:38:56] <andyjpb> does anyone know why this behaviour has
changed or if I should be invoking it a different way?
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2576 [23:39:28] <ALowther> "cp:
debian-10.2.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso: could not copy extended
attributes to /dev/disk2: Operation not permitted" Any insight?
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2579 [23:39:43] <ALowther> This happened after it ran for about 5
minutes.
2580 [23:40:20] <ksk> andyjpb: not a reasonable thing to pipe ls
output in the first place..
2581 [23:40:38] <andyjpb> ksk: wot? --color has explicit support
for it
2582 [23:40:45] <ksk> !parsingls
2583 [23:40:54] <ksk> okay, we are not in #bash, nevermind :D
2584 [23:40:59] <andyjpb> in a pipe it just ouputs file names, one
per line
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2589 [23:42:26] <ksk> you would expect the indicator to disapper
if you pipe the output (to less, for example)?
2590 [23:42:45] <ksk> tbh, I had to lookup that switch ;)
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2592 [23:43:23] <pthreat> what's wrong with alias ls="ls
-1F --color=always"
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2595 [23:44:52] <ksk> ah, the famous -1 - also indicating you are
parsing ls :P
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2597 [23:44:58] <pthreat> also the default behavior does not
appends the slash characters ? At least I don't get that and I
am on debian 10
2598 [23:45:10] <ksk> no, -F is not default.
2599 [23:45:12] <andyjpb> pthreat: is emits color escape sequences
when you put it in a pipe
2600 [23:45:28] <pthreat> andyjpb: what are you piping it against
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2602 [23:45:31] <pthreat> maybe I can try
2603 [23:45:36] <andyjpb> pthreat: anything and everythig
2604 [23:45:44] <ksk> on the topic:
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2605 [23:45:45] <pthreat> alright let's see, grep ?
2606 [23:45:51] <andyjpb> I use it a lot to get a list of
filenames into a file that I can then edit and pipe into something
else
2607 [23:46:09] <andyjpb> and things like for f in `ls *.JPG` ; do
2608 [23:46:30] <pthreat> let's see
2609 [23:46:56] <ksk> andyjpb: please do read the linked article
2610 [23:46:57] <andyjpb> hmmm.. that works because it actually
invokes the ls binary directly
2611 [23:47:10] <andyjpb> ksk: yeah sure... but this has worked
for 20 years?
2612 [23:47:47] <ksk> only if your filenames are nice and tidy.
2613 [23:47:57] <andyjpb> even simple stuff like ls *~ |xargs rm
becomes impossible now
2614 [23:48:00] <pthreat> for x in $(ls); do echo
"$x">> test_ls; done #Nope, no problem on my side, I
opened with vi after
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2616 [23:48:14] <andyjpb> pthreat: yeah. see my comment above
2617 [23:48:17] <pthreat> andyjpb: you sure you don't have
anything custom in your .bashrc file ?
2618 [23:48:18] <andyjpb> it's just when you put it in a pipe
2619 [23:48:27] <pthreat> Alright I'll grep
2620 [23:48:28] <andyjpb> pthreat: yeah. lots. that's the
point
2621 [23:48:43] <andyjpb> -F used to not take effect when ls was
in a pipe.
2622 [23:48:53] <andyjpb> that behaviour has changed in Stretch or
Buster
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2624 [23:49:07] <ksk> andyjpb: maybe take a look at coreutils
changelog - though I suppose it could be hard to spot in there.
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2627 [23:49:50] <pthreat> for x in $(ls); do echo
"$x"|grep Desktop >> file;done #No problems also
2628 [23:50:14] <andyjpb> oh yeah... ls quoting is now on too
2629 [23:50:17] <pthreat> ls |grep Desktop > file #Also no
problems
2630 [23:50:17] <andyjpb> which Iguess is good?
2631 [23:50:31] <andyjpb> pthreat: you want ls -F | grep Desktop
2632 [23:50:34] <pthreat> Alright
2633 [23:51:16] <pthreat> Yep everything good, I get Desktop/
(carriage return) Desktop-1/
2634 [23:51:27] <andyjpb> right... you used to get Desktop
2635 [23:51:28] <andyjpb> not Desktop/
2636 [23:52:00] <pthreat> The -F option is for appending those
slash characters tho, it's in the manual
2637 [23:52:06] <andyjpb> yes
2638 [23:52:15] <andyjpb> and it used to only do it when it
wasn't in a pipe
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2640 [23:52:42] <ksk> andyjpb: nobody in here know. as I said,
check the release notes or the changelog of the corutils package.
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2642 [23:52:53] <andyjpb> I'm looking at them now
2643 [23:53:02] <pthreat> If you don't want the additional
characters just don't use -F :)
2644 [23:53:03] <andyjpb> the only suspicious thing is the
renabling of quoting
2645 [23:53:13] <andyjpb> but that seems to be a slightly
different (and good) feature
2646 [23:53:26] <andyjpb> pthreat: I do want the additional
characters when I use it interactively
2647 [23:53:33] <pthreat> I see
2648 [23:53:49] <andyjpb> I used to be able to type ls bin/*~,
eyeball the list and then append |xargs rm
2649 [23:53:57] <ksk> "If you just want to iterate over all
the files in the current directory, use a for loop and a glob"
2650 [23:54:01] <ksk> I will stay silent now :X
2651 [23:54:19] <pthreat> you should be using find for that tho,
find ./bin/ -name "*~" -type f |xargs rm
2652 [23:54:26] <pthreat> :)
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2654 [23:54:35] <andyjpb> ksk: sure, but this is something that
has changed which implies I need to revisit 20 years worth of
scripts and stuff
2655 [23:55:05] <pthreat> I switched to zsh with ohmyzsh scripts
2656 [23:55:07] <andyjpb> pthreat: "should be" and
"has been working this way for 20 years" are kind of
different
2657 [23:55:09] <pthreat> it made my life easier
2658 [23:55:22] <ksk> I have barely used computers for 20 years,
but I am sure even back then it was a bad pattern, to parse ls ;)
2659 [23:55:45] <andyjpb> no doubt
2660 [23:55:57] <pthreat> ksk: depends on how you look at it
2661 [23:55:57] <andyjpb> anyway, reading the changelog makes me
wonder how this ever worked
2662 [23:56:01] <ksk> and you know kind of see why: ls is made for
humans - not for computers
2663 [23:56:03] <andyjpb> I guess I'll have to suck it up
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2665 [23:56:18] <pthreat> andyjpb: OR switc to zsh or fish
2666 [23:56:19] <pthreat> wink wink
2667 [23:56:26] <pthreat> switch*
2668 [23:56:33] <andyjpb> ksk: most of the use cases are
"human"... interactively building up pipelines at the
prompt
2669 [23:56:43] <andyjpb> pthreat: same ls binary
2670 [23:56:52] <pthreat> better features tho
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2672 [23:57:28] <pthreat> I specially like the reverse lookup and
git features
2673 [23:57:55] <pthreat> and themes, and other goodies
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2676 [23:58:25] <pthreat> termite + tmux + zsh + ohmyzsh FTW!
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2678 [23:59:15] <andyjpb> well, who knows... maybe it never worked
and I just never tried running it on executable files, or even
things that weren't just plain files or directories
2679 [23:59:35] <andyjpb> it's one of those bugs that now I
look at it I can't see how it ever worked
2680 [23:59:35] <pthreat> andyjpb: use find for those types of
tasks
2681 [23:59:44] <andyjpb> yet it's been working... and now it
doesn't...
2682 [23:59:44] *** Joins: bersace (~bersace@replaced-ip )
2683 [23:59:52] <pthreat> andyjpb: what do you use it most for,
deleting backup files ?
2684 [23:59:57] *** Joins: sasukeskapa (~sasukeska@replaced-ip )
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