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0[00:00:23] <pingouin> Debian Stretch here : what do i miss to have firefox, installed with aptitude, playing html5 video ? the youtube test is completed, all is checked, but nothing ever start when i play a video
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2[00:00:31] <pingouin> missing a package somehow ?
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14[00:10:08] <TomG2> pingouin, i don't know, but ask again after some time has passed. html5 video in youtube worked for me in stretch
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20[00:12:20] <pingouin> TomG2: ok.
21[00:12:36] <pingouin> TomG2: do you run pulseaudio ?
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25[00:14:18] <TomG2> no
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30[00:15:10] <pingouin> TomG2: jack ?
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40[00:19:15] <nurupo> i would like to remove dragonplayer package, but it also automatically removes kde-standard and task-kde-desktop pacakges, as it was installed as part of them
41[00:19:17] <nurupo> any way to remove the player without removing the whole DE? :\
42[00:19:50] <TomG2> pingouin, no
43[00:19:59] <pingouin> TomG2: :)
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45[00:20:17] <pingouin> TomG2: what is your sound server with your stretch install ?
46[00:20:38] <TomG2> none
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49[00:22:16] <pingouin> alsa straight ? it's possible ?!
50[00:22:17] <pingouin> k
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61[00:27:26] <dontknow> nurupo, don't do it. let it be. there is no harm
62[00:27:47] <nurupo> huh
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64[00:28:19] <dontknow> nurupo, you want to remove dragonplayer, right?
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66[00:28:45] <nurupo> there is an annoyance that i need to change any video or audio file to be opened by vlc by default
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68[00:29:00] <jelly> nurupo: if you really want to, make a fake package for dragonplayer using
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70[00:29:03] <jelly> !equivs
71[00:29:03] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
72[00:29:16] <jelly> and install that instead
73[00:29:30] <jelly> and then apply a
74[00:29:32] <jelly> !hold
75[00:29:32] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
76[00:29:51] <nurupo> wow, what a hack
77[00:30:45] <nurupo> or, i guess, "kludge" is more appropriate
78[00:30:46] <jelly> or solve the issue that makes you want to remove it in the first place
79[00:31:00] <nurupo> but yeah, i see why it's needed
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81[00:31:05] <nurupo> jelly: thanks
82[00:31:07] <nbg> hi. I just installed debian stretch and then installed nginx with my previous nginx.conf file (from jessie). But NGINX won't start, it says: "unknown directive 'echo'". What else do I need to install besides nginx to use echo? It did work with jessie and I didn't have to install any additional packages.
83[00:31:39] <dontknow> nurupo, it doesn't worth it
84[00:34:03] <justJanne> I have an issue where debian is not trusting root certificates used by Google, resulting in debian being unable to connect to several Google properties
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86[00:34:19] <justJanne> An example url that can be tested with curl or wget is
87[00:34:21] <justJanne> replaced-url
88[00:35:17] <justJanne> The information how to include the CA is described here
89[00:35:20] <justJanne> replaced-url
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91[00:35:25] <justJanne> Is this intentional?
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106[00:45:27] <jelly> justJanne: debian usually imports trusted CA set from mozilla, so what openssl and gnutls accept in debian typically matches what firefox accepts as well
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108[00:45:44] <justJanne> jelly: firefox accepts them.
109[00:45:49] <justJanne> Chromium accepts them.
110[00:46:02] <justJanne> debians included ca lists do not.
111[00:46:18] <jelly> ,v ca-certificates
112[00:46:19] <judd> Package: ca-certificates on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; jessie: 20141019+deb8u3; buster: 20161130+nmu1; sid: 20161130+nmu1; stretch: 20161130+nmu1
113[00:46:38] <jelly> did you check with firefox?
114[00:46:43] <justJanne> The certificates were created in January 2017 for the CA
115[00:46:47] <justJanne> Yes, I did check with firefox
116[00:46:51] <justJanne> It works with firefox.
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118[00:47:03] <jelly> so it's newer than 20161130+nmu1
119[00:47:12] <justJanne> It's how I noticed the issue, opening with firefox works, wget refuses to accept it
120[00:47:14] <justJanne> Yes.
121[00:47:17] <jelly> file a bug report against that package ^
122[00:47:38] <jelly> before that, check if there's one already
123[00:47:44] <justJanne> I'm not familiar with debians bug reporting system, where would I do that?
124[00:47:48] <jelly> !reportbug
125[00:47:48] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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127[00:48:06] <justJanne> Also, does this also fix it for downstream distros, or would I have to file for ubuntu separately?
128[00:48:37] <jelly> this would only fix it for downstream when they import the fixed version
129[00:48:58] <justJanne> Great, so now I've got over a dozen of issues to file.
130[00:49:02] <justJanne> Thanks anyway :)
131[00:49:21] <jelly> and that depends on each derivative's policy. Some do it quickly, like raspbian, some basically have their own thing, like Ubuntu
132[00:50:04] <jelly> if you care about a dozen distros, they I guess yes
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153[00:57:19] <ryouma> for rescue purposes, is netinst as good as (1) live or (2) full cd?
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157[00:58:46] <Waxhead> Howdy, tried to install debian 9 on a old server. The installer does not find the disks , but they show up under /dev/disk/by-id/ something weird with the installer or am I missing a firmware file or something?
158[00:58:50] <jelly> ryouma: netinst is crap for rescue purposes, and full cd is exact same code
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161[00:59:15] <at0m> i guess it depends on what you want to rescue. netinst has fsck, grub installer, partitioner, network, text editor
162[00:59:17] <ryouma> jelly: what is good for rescue purposes?
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164[00:59:35] <ryouma> jelly: i want smoething with large fonts
165[00:59:41] <ryouma> (VERY large)
166[00:59:49] <jelly> ryouma: a more complete live system, but one that does not touch your hardware unless you ask it to
167[01:00:02] <ryouma> jelly: does debian live fit the bill?
168[01:00:25] <jelly> no idea, I've been using grml.org for a couple years now
169[01:00:39] <ryouma> i have that on my boot partition
170[01:00:49] <jelly> but debian live is going to be a lot better than netinst
171[01:01:00] <ryouma> it's not great but maybe it is best htere is
172[01:01:33] <jelly> I guess you can customize it with a LARGER FONT
173[01:01:48] <ryouma> i could never figure out customizing debian live
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175[01:02:19] <ryouma> grml i sort of semi-half-kind-of figured out large fonts but i think i would have to go thruogh a sequence of actions on a small font menu toachieve it
176[01:02:37] <jelly> setfont /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni2-TerminusBold32x16.psf.gz or something
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178[01:03:06] <ryouma> i could haev somebody write that down on paper i suppose, but...
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180[01:03:18] <jelly> I just locate 32x16
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182[01:03:46] <kotten> Are there any convenient way to install ~php 5.6 on the new Debian 9?
183[01:03:52] <ryouma> i'd be ok with 640x480 for everythign up until x launches
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185[01:04:10] <ryouma> (and i'd not launch x unless i can xrandr)
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188[01:04:29] <jelly> ryouma: or ask #grml people for suggestions on accessibility, if you're that blind it's a feature
189[01:05:24] <jelly> a number of #grml (freenode) people is also #debian-live (irc.oftc.net) people
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193[01:06:43] <jelly> ryouma: grml doesn't even start X by default, but it does switch to 1024x768 framebuffer or native res if free drivers can detect a monitor
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195[01:08:02] <ryouma> native is too small
196[01:08:17] <ryouma> unless i have very large dpi for x
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200[01:08:27] <ryouma> and for console i need 640x480'
201[01:08:43] <ryouma> i will check out both channels
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218[01:21:04] <VentGrey> Hello, I happen to have an issue with escalated privileges icon on MATE, I've tried googling it but no results came out.
219[01:21:38] <VentGrey> the Icon seems off replaced-url
220[01:21:55] <VentGrey> and I've tried with several icon themes but the result is the saem
221[01:21:58] <VentGrey> same*
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235[01:27:05] <top_byte> Is there a way to move files without typing the full name
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237[01:28:24] <nvz> top_byte: tab completion
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239[01:28:36] <VentGrey> top_byte, use tab autocomplete
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255[01:37:53] <maher> what's the systemd way of getting munin-node to start after openvpn? I added a dependency in /etc/systemd/system/munin-node.service.d/openvpn-dependency.conf but it still doesn't start - i really want it to wait till the vpn is active....
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264[01:41:43] <jmcnaught> maher: what exactly did you add? how did you test? did you do daemon-reload?
265[01:43:03] <maher> jmcnaught: i added a dependency on openvpn - apparently I should have added one on the tun0 virtual device (replaced-url
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267[01:43:41] <pingouin> Debian Stretch here : what do i miss to have firefox, installed with aptitude, playing html5 video ? the youtube test is completed, all is checked, but nothing ever start when i play a video
268[01:43:50] <jmcnaught> maher: it's helpful if you show the exact line(s) that you added instead of a description of them, if you want others to be able to help
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270[01:43:53] <pingouin> missing a package somehow ?
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272[01:44:41] <maher> jmcnaught: the new lines are: Wants=sys-devices-virtual-net-tun0.device \ After=sys-devices-virtual-net-tun0.device - the old lines were similar but with service.openvpn instead
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274[01:46:05] <jmcnaught> maher: how are you starting openvpn?
275[01:47:09] <maher> jmcnaught: whatever default way systemd starts openvpn - I haven't changed anything there
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302[01:59:57] <maher> dodo: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow mariadb-server to see if it asks you for a oassword...
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332[02:19:44] <lucas-arg> hey all cant we install firefox 54 in debian??
333[02:19:53] <lucas-arg> cant finde a apt source to it
334[02:19:56] <lucas-arg> nor a deb package
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343[02:23:27] <themill> lucas-arg: the answer to that question is fairly obviously going to depend on what release you are running
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346[02:24:34] <lucas-arg> themill, im running debian 9
347[02:24:47] <themill> firefox 54 is not in stretch
348[02:24:54] <Frogmorton> firefox-esr shows version 52.2
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351[02:26:52] <mrr0butt> test
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357[02:29:03] <mrr0butt> network-manager in stretch connects to wlan with bootparameter net.ifnames=0
358[02:29:10] <mrr0butt> :)
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364[02:32:26] <pingouin> 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1 here, can't play html5 video, never starts. missing package ?
365[02:32:59] <pingouin> firefox 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1
366[02:33:02] <lucas-arg> i can play html5 videos no problem here
367[02:33:15] <lucas-arg> just wanted to see how multiprocess works on my laptop
368[02:33:23] <pingouin> i can too, but with chrome... :/
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370[02:33:31] <lucas-arg> youtube is html5 and i have no problem with it
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372[02:33:49] <mrr0butt> could be libav-tools
373[02:34:20] <mrr0butt> chrome has own video libs
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375[02:34:32] <pingouin> ii libav-tools 7:3.2.5-1
376[02:34:35] <pingouin> installed...
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378[02:35:14] <pingouin> stangely, with firefox 54, installed from mozilla's web site, html5 video are playing, but no sound ( pulseaudio problem)
379[02:35:39] <pingouin> but with the packaged's debian version 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1 , nothing starts at all
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381[02:36:27] <msiism> could anyone running stretch quote the first sentence of the description in "man time". i've found a typo in the jessie version, but don't know if it's been fixed already in stretch.
382[02:37:33] <msiism> i'm asking this here, since that man page has been written by the debian maintainer of "time"
383[02:38:08] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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385[02:38:42] <msiism> jmcnaught: thanks. didn't know that existed.
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387[02:39:19] <msiism> the typo is still in there. i'll drop the author a line.
388[02:39:50] <pingouin> why mozilla, why ???!!! always had troubles with this firefox since...ever...
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391[02:41:30] <lucas-arg> pingouin, why dont you tell me a web where you have problem playing video and ill see if that happens to me to
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394[02:42:19] <pingouin> lucas-arg : any html5 video on youtube for instance
395[02:42:51] <jmcnaught> pingouin: what happens if you run firefox-esr from a terminal emulator, are there error messages? Did you do anything out of the ordinary, like install a minimal Debian and then install all packages with recommends disabled for instance, or is this a fairly standard Debian system?
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404[02:45:46] <pingouin> jmcnaught: nothing special here, netinstall from an usb key, install with 0 troubles and installed what i usualy need - all video/media software working great, mplayer / dvd / sound / mencoder / ardout / audacity.....
405[02:46:44] <jmcnaught> doesn't really answer my question
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407[02:47:29] <pingouin> and nothing on the CLI - i always start from the CLI
408[02:47:53] <jmcnaught> did you disable recommends?
409[02:48:10] <pingouin> nevermind....goodbye firefox, will use chrome... it's time , give up on firefox
410[02:48:14] <Frogmorton> Firefox-esr on stretch has a config option "Play DRM content" will this affect what you are seeing?
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412[02:51:15] <Frogmorton> Do you need to install the package chromium-widevine to enable HTML5 video content that you can't play in firefox?
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431[03:01:35] <kiril> hello
432[03:01:43] <kiril> i have faced the following issue
433[03:01:49] <kiril> replaced-url
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459[03:12:24] <citypw> If I make some donation via paypal to Debian, how can I confirm Debian got the money?
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461[03:14:20] <mrr0butt> how much is "some"
462[03:14:26] <mrr0butt> ?
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465[03:15:42] <jhutchins> citypw: What, you don't trust paypal?
466[03:16:38] <citypw> jhutchins: nope, I'm not sure if I could trust SPI. That's why I asked.
467[03:18:13] <citypw> how can I confirm the money I sent is really delivered to Debian?
468[03:18:20] <jhutchins> citypw: They look pretty open and above board. I would think if there had been any problems we would have heard about it.
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470[03:18:49] <jhutchins> citypw: I don't think there's sufficient administrative structure within Debian to provide that kind of confirmation - that's why they use SPI.
471[03:19:12] <jhutchins> citypw: I'm not entirely sure that there is an actual entity that is "Debian".
472[03:19:55] <mrr0butt> debian is a hoax
473[03:19:58] <citypw> I sent more than 3k USD in past two years but never got any feedback. I'm a little worry.
474[03:20:03] <jhutchins> citypw: Unlike canonical, which has a corporation at it's core, debian's pretty much just a bunch of volunteers and projects.
475[03:20:05] <mrr0butt> wow
476[03:20:07] <citypw> the receipt written like this " Debian Project via Software in the Public Interest, "
477[03:20:07] <mrr0butt> nice
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479[03:20:31] <citypw> jhutchins: yeah, that's why I like Debian.
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481[03:20:37] <jhutchins> citypw: Have you contacted SPI to find out how they allocate money donated to Debian?
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485[03:21:21] <citypw> jhutchins: No. Cuz' I haven't find the contact about donation on the webpage: replaced-url
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488[03:22:26] <jhutchins> citypw: replaced-url
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490[03:23:58] <citypw> thanks for the url jhutchins
491[03:24:22] <maher> citypw: I once sent them a check - six months later they sent it back saying they were too disorganized to cash checks at the moment...
492[03:24:40] <mrr0butt> :D
493[03:24:41] <jhutchins> maher: SPI or Debian?
494[03:24:46] <Frogmorton> I have package xserver-xorg-video-nvidia in a half-installed state and I can't remove or reinstall it. Is this required or obsolete? (Stretch using nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver)
495[03:25:09] <citypw> maher: ah, good to know;-)
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497[03:25:47] <maher> jhutchins: I forget - this was a while ago..
498[03:26:03] <maher> jhutchins: like 10+ years ago
499[03:26:24] <jhutchins> Our LUG (KCLUG) doesn't have legal existance. The assets we have - domain name, webserver, hosting - are held by individual members in trust for the group.
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502[03:27:30] <dondelelcaro> citypw: the treasurer regularly posts updates on the funds that SPI holds for Debian
503[03:27:57] <maher> citypw: btw spi should send you a tax exempt letter once a year - have they ever done this?
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507[03:28:56] <maher> citypw: sorry - just saw your earlier comment - if they give a receipt that suffices for tx purposes
508[03:29:47] <dondelelcaro> replaced-url
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512[03:30:58] <citypw> maher: IIRC, I never received any info from SPI. I got the receipt from paypal.
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514[03:31:08] <citypw> dondelelcaro: I'll take a look. Thanks
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516[03:32:23] <dondelelcaro> citypw: but in general, they get posted periodically, so you can see exactly what SPI is doing with all of the associated project's money
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518[03:33:38] <dondelelcaro> citypw: no problem.
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524[03:37:53] <citypw> weird, SPI sent me the receipts about DebConf and OpenWRT but seems I haven't receive one about Debian.
525[03:38:03] <citypw> I'll ping SPI later.
526[03:38:12] <citypw> thanks folks
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543[03:47:48] <nurupo> is there a portable way to get the right path to system's libdir? one which would work on debian, arch linux and others?
544[03:49:21] <nurupo> in Debian 8 the correct libdir path is /usr/lib/, but Debian 9 introduces multi-arch support and the correct path is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ , assuming amd64 arch
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546[03:50:19] <nurupo> in a Makefile for my software, how should i know the correct libdir path to where to install it?
547[03:50:38] <dondelelcaro> nurupo: use autoconf and automake or cmake, which has all of the rules to do that correctly
548[03:51:30] <dondelelcaro> (but whatever you do, don't write your own)
549[03:51:49] <nurupo> uh
550[03:51:53] <nurupo> it's just a Makefile
551[03:52:04] <nurupo> i don't want to commit to cmake or autotools :\
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554[03:53:18] <nurupo> is there a way to query autotools for libdir path in my Makefile?
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560[03:55:55] <nurupo> oh, cool, i think i got it
561[03:56:30] <nurupo> my software is a vlc plugin and apparently `vlc-plugin` pkg-config defines libdir variable
562[03:56:49] <nurupo> $ pkg-config vlc-plugin --variable=libdir
563[03:56:49] <nurupo> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
564[03:58:48] <dondelelcaro> but yeah; in general you don't need to define the libdir; the linker knows where the default libraries are
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566[03:59:09] <dondelelcaro> otherwise, use pkg-config if you're working with something that uses it
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571[04:04:08] <nurupo> oh, it's not a linking issue
572[04:04:30] <nurupo> it's just that the libdir is the install directory of my software
573[04:04:37] <nurupo> that's where vlc plugins are at
574[04:05:43] <dondelelcaro> ah
575[04:05:53] <dondelelcaro> strange that they're not in /usr/lib/vlc
576[04:05:55] <dondelelcaro> or something like that
577[04:06:06] <dondelelcaro> (though I guess they also need arch for multi-arch)
578[04:06:52] <nurupo> they were in there in Debian 8
579[04:07:03] <nurupo> but in Debian 9 they changed to multiarch thing
580[04:07:16] <nurupo> other distros use other paths too
581[04:07:33] <dondelelcaro> ah, cool. Yeah, in that case, you definitely want what pkg-config says
582[04:08:19] <nurupo> pkg-config is supposed to provide the correct location in all the cases, since the vlc-plugin.pc is generated by the distro packagers with the correct libdir set
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610[04:38:31] <hfp> Hi, according to the man page `mkdir -p` doesn't error if the directory already exists. But if I run it on my Debian for a directory that already exists, it errors. Am I misunderstanding something or is it a bug?
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613[04:40:01] <jmcnaught> hfp: what is the full command and output?
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615[04:41:45] <jmcnaught> no errors here
616[04:41:49] <hfp> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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620[04:42:42] <jmcnaught> hfp: is /scans a directory or a file?
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625[04:44:45] <hfp> jmcnaught: oh good point, seems that it's a file. let me try again with a dir
626[04:45:44] <hfp> yup, if it's a dir it's fine. my bad
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632[04:48:49] <hfp> thanks jmcnaught
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634[04:49:08] <jmcnaught> hfp: no problem, glad you figured it out ☺
635[04:49:22] <samantha-> i'd like to generate a list of file hashes -- say, sha256 -- and upload them to a server in the sky. on the server in the sky, i'd like to check incoming files against said list of hashes, and flag/move/delete matches. is there such a tool to make this easy?
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652[05:03:17] <zjoeke> anybody know where to put the flash files in chromium ?
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654[05:05:23] <zjoeke> tried some guides but its not working
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658[05:10:07] <maher> zjoeke: have you tried installing pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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660[05:11:04] <zjoeke> i read its outdated
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663[05:12:06] <maher> zjoeke: seems to work for me
664[05:12:17] <matlock> can i ask why you think you need flash?
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666[05:12:52] <zjoeke> i put it where the readme.txt said /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/ to play zynga poker on chromium
667[05:13:56] <matlock> pepperflashplugin is actively maintained by google, fwiw, just make sure you've got most recent version
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669[05:14:37] <matlock> but I haven't had flash installed for years and it's an issue once or twice a year
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671[05:15:06] <mns> I am trying to install wordpress, and it insists on installing Apache, even thought I have Lighttpd installed. wordpress depends on 'apache|httpd' and lighttpd provides 'httpd' so why does apt-get want to insist on installing apache ?
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674[05:18:58] <TomG2> well it also depends on php5, which i'm not sure is available for lighttpd
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678[05:20:33] <mns> ahhhh ok I didn't count on that.
679[05:20:44] <mns> let me take a look at that
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693[05:33:25] <hanasaki> what needs to be done to setup with a boot password and encrypted disks?
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698[05:36:41] <ryouma> the installer i think supports it
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716[05:48:03] <hanasaki> does debian 9 / stretch support compressed kernel modules and if so what types of compression?
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801[07:04:21] <leibniz> hey whats up
802[07:04:26] <leibniz> anyone aroubd?
803[07:05:03] <leibniz> i have debian installed on my vps and was attacked last bight and my provider took action to save the box
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806[07:05:31] <leibniz> but i cant connect to the box now with my phone
807[07:06:25] <nkuttler> leibniz: talk to your provider
808[07:06:47] <leibniz> well i can connect with my phone
809[07:06:57] <leibniz> i just cant goto the website with my phone
810[07:07:34] <leibniz> i was just wondering if that was a software issue that i can fix
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812[07:08:40] <derekjc> was your server wide open to attacks?
813[07:08:55] <leibniz> they have ddos anti protection
814[07:09:22] <leibniz> can you goto the website to see if it is working?
815[07:09:33] <leibniz> i will call the admins
816[07:09:54] <leibniz> grov3r.org
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820[07:14:16] <derekjc> leibniz: that does work. Just says hi
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867[07:57:13] <leibniz> derekjc why wont my phone connect
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873[07:59:27] <derekjc> leibniz: if your pc/laptop works... you'll need to fix your phone
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877[08:00:54] <leibniz> you think its a phone issue and not a vps issie
878[08:01:04] <leibniz> i will contact the vps
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880[08:01:46] <gglasses> Hi guys. Is there a post for dummies on how to create a bootable USB ??? :)
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883[08:05:40] <nkuttler> gglasses: what do you want to boot?
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885[08:07:16] <patterson> replaced-url
886[08:07:22] <gglasses> nkuttler: Debian! I want to install it... I read the doc. on the website, but honestly, I did not understand it.
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888[08:08:42] <mandeep> gglasses: which OS are you on now?
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890[08:09:43] <gglasses> mandeep: Fedora :)
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894[08:11:51] <mandeep> gglasses: how did you install it?
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909[08:18:47] <nkuttler> gglasses: which doc have you been reading?
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917[08:22:20] <gglasses> nkuttler: now I found this replaced-url
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921[08:24:11] <nkuttler> gglasses: yeah
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924[08:25:31] <veek> what's an alternate to apt-key update
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927[08:27:16] <gglasses> thanks nkuttler, i got a new computer and want to test Debian out on it :D
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982[09:12:10] <G__81> Hi i have installed Debian 9 in my Virtual Box VM. Everything seems to work fine. While installation, i gave the root user password and also created an user which also has the same password as the root a/c. Now when i do su and enter the root password, it says Authentication Failure, I am entering the configured password. When i do sudo -i it says the user is not part of the sudoers file
983[09:12:17] <G__81> can someone let me know how to resolve this
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987[09:16:08] <themill> different keymap between install and now?
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989[09:16:56] <at0m> G__81: to verify, type the password (or something alike) on the tty and visually confirm
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993[09:17:51] <mrr0butt> did you install from 9.0.1 live image?
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996[09:19:19] <mrr0butt> 9.0.1 live image disables root login and doesnt ad your account to sudoers
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1003[09:22:50] <mrr0butt> btw 9.0.0 images make a normal install with root login
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1014[09:26:34] <G__81> at0m, yeah tried that and its exactly the same
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1017[09:26:55] <themill> !ifrp
1018[09:26:55] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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1023[09:27:36] <G__81> at0m, in fact both of my passwords are same. the one set for user ac and the root ac
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1025[09:28:01] <G__81> the user ac works fine but in root i am getting authentication failure. I am not able to add the user to the sudo group as well :(
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1032[09:30:01] <jaggz> I have a plasmashell --shut-up taking up half a gig of ram, and 6gigs of virtual memory
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1034[09:30:56] <jaggz> how do I reset it?
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1036[09:31:14] <jaggz> oh.. here..
1037[09:31:16] <jaggz> replaced-url
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1039[09:31:50] <jaggz> here they also point out it seems to be related to notification icons.. I AM having a problem with those -- I have two that are black
1040[09:31:56] <jaggz> black squares
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1042[09:32:59] <G__81> if i dont set the root password during installation would the user ac be added to sudo by default?
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1044[09:33:22] <jaggz> my irc client (hexchat) makes one in the upper left corner -- a black cube overlapping my pager panel widget up there, and one in the icontray thingy -- my wifi status icon is black
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1047[09:35:29] <jaggz> I restarted plasmashell and it reduced the memory use (down to 250mb resident, 4gb vsz), but my icons are black still
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1059[09:40:26] <mrr0butt> idk the 9.0.1 live image asks for root pw but the installation procedure seams to be broken, just take a 9.0.0 image
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1062[09:40:59] <contrapunctus> o/
1063[09:41:32] <mrr0butt> you can also switch to tty on end of installatation chroot to /target and fix it
1064[09:42:37] <mrr0butt> but if you do a clean install why not from working image with no bugs
1065[09:43:40] <contrapunctus> Wireless shows up as 'unavailable' in the tray after an update (same goes for running 'nmcli'). RT3290, firmware *is* installed. Please help.
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1067[09:44:02] <mrr0butt> had same issiue
1068[09:44:08] <mrr0butt> and could fix it
1069[09:44:15] <mrr0butt> :D
1070[09:44:19] <contrapunctus> mrr0butt: ?
1071[09:45:13] <mrr0butt> edit in /etc/default/grub the line
1072[09:45:15] <mrr0butt> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="
1073[09:45:19] <mrr0butt> to
1074[09:45:33] <mrr0butt> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=0"
1075[09:45:41] <mrr0butt> then
1076[09:45:47] <mrr0butt> update-grub
1077[09:45:55] <mrr0butt> and reboot
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1079[09:46:01] <contrapunctus> o_O
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1081[09:46:10] <mrr0butt> this will turn on old style iface names
1082[09:46:13] <mrr0butt> wlan0
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1084[09:46:31] <mrr0butt> and network-manager can connec
1085[09:46:33] <mrr0butt> t
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1087[09:47:47] <mrr0butt> oh
1088[09:47:49] <mrr0butt> mom
1089[09:47:58] <mrr0butt> the whole interface
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1091[09:48:03] <mrr0butt> is
1092[09:48:15] <mrr0butt> 'unavailable'
1093[09:48:22] <mrr0butt> ok forget it
1094[09:48:27] <mrr0butt> sry my bad
1095[09:48:50] <contrapunctus> o___o
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1098[09:49:36] <jelly-home> !enter
1099[09:49:36] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
1100[09:49:43] <mrr0butt> do you have a directory in /sys/class/net/ callead same as your iface
1101[09:50:04] <contrapunctus> mrr0butt: yes.
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1103[09:51:09] <mrr0butt> then the driver/firmware is loaded
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1107[09:53:20] <mrr0butt> does "ip link set dev <ifacename> up" something?
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1110[09:54:23] <contrapunctus> mrr0butt: "RTNETLINK answers: Input/output error"
1111[09:55:01] <mrr0butt> run as root
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1114[09:55:29] <contrapunctus> That was with root. When I ran it without root I got "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted"
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1122[09:59:11] <hellyeah> i cannot connect bluetooth. It was connected and disconnected right away please help
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1131[10:08:08] <contrapunctus> there's another very irritating problem with this machine...the shell autocompletion has never worked.
1132[10:08:46] <at0m> contrapunctus: do you have bash-completion ?
1133[10:09:54] <at0m> here, i noticed completion works on different machines to a varying extend. say, some autocomplete apt show bash[tab], some don't
1134[10:09:56] <jelly-home> contrapunctus: which login shell do you use
1135[10:10:04] <contrapunctus> at0m: IIRC I did - but right now it seems that it isn't (might have been wiped in the update)
1136[10:10:26] <contrapunctus> jelly-home: ?
1137[10:10:27] <at0m> see /etc/bash_completion*
1138[10:10:35] <at0m> contrapunctus: bash, dash, ..
1139[10:10:43] <contrapunctus> bash, pretty sure
1140[10:10:55] <jelly-home> contrapunctus: what's your login shell? getent passwd yourusername
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1145[10:11:35] <contrapunctus> /bin/bash it is
1146[10:11:46] <contrapunctus> mrr0butt: dmesg - replaced-url
1147[10:11:52] <jelly-home> then bash-completion is the right thing to use.
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1155[10:16:16] <mrr0butt> r8169 0000:05:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw (-2)
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1157[10:16:45] <mrr0butt> should the kernel module be something with r3
1158[10:17:00] <jelly-home> mrr0butt: that's wired card drivers.
1159[10:17:23] <jelly-home> not wireless. And it often works without that firmware
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1162[10:19:21] <mrr0butt> firmware is loaded by module r8169
1163[10:19:32] <mrr0butt> you could try blacklist r8169
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1171[10:26:52] <mrr0butt> r8169 0000:05:00.0 eth0: unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw (-12)
1172[10:26:58] <pie3> how to find out all bridged channels on irc
1173[10:27:00] <mrr0butt> this device?
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1175[10:29:15] <jelly-home> mrr0butt: that's wired ethernet
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1177[10:29:43] <jelly-home> !r8169
1178[10:29:43] <dpkg> r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver.
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1186[10:33:28] <debo> hi guys
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1190[10:34:03] <debo> I'm having a nightmare after upgrading to stretch
1191[10:34:29] <debo> i have issues with nouveau driver I think
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1193[10:34:56] <debo> i tried to install proprietary drivers and to remove them after
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1195[10:35:49] <debo> currently I can log into plasma but there is no taskbar or desktop
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1197[10:36:08] <debo> I can run applications from konsole
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1200[10:37:21] <G__81> is the kernel that gets shipped with Debian 9, cgroups aware ?
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1203[10:37:57] <debo> i have this card: G72 [GeForce 7300 LE]
1204[10:38:04] <G__81> if i have to play with ip vrf etc, it does not seem to work because looks like cgroups is not compiled in the debian kernel
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1214[10:45:16] <jelly-home> debo: that card is very, very old and probably cannot support plasma properly, see if you can start systemsettings -> Hardware -> Display and Monitor -> Compositor ... and either disable compositor or try switching Rendering backend to OpenGL 2.0 or XRender
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1216[10:47:15] <debo> hi jelly, thanks
1217[10:47:42] <contrapunctus> mrr0butt , jelly-home - I believe running ifconfig wlan0 fixed it o_o
1218[10:47:45] <debo> it was set to GL2 and I disabled it now
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1229[10:54:08] <oo_miguel> in my apt sources.list: what is the difference between stretch-updates and stretch/updates ?
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1247[10:58:04] <nkuttler> !tell oo_miguel about stretch-updates
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1252[11:00:15] <oo_miguel> nkuttler: thank you
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1260[11:07:26] <root-x> !teel root-x about opkg
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1263[11:08:12] <nkuttler> !tell root-x about selftell
1264[11:09:11] <root-x> !tell root-x about opkg
1265[11:09:11] <root-x> ¬¬
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1270[11:10:47] <jelly-home> root-x: what are you trying to do
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1279[11:16:21] <oo_miguel> royiv: you can talk to dpkg directly
1280[11:16:45] <oo_miguel> aah s/royiv/root-x
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1282[11:16:55] <jun_> this is madness. a 51000 packages.
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1288[11:21:17] <jun_> how much do they pay debian to compete with fedora?
1289[11:21:47] <bazhang> nothing
1290[11:22:20] <jun_> so, you have competition from fedora?
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1295[11:24:42] <jun_> I can say that the others will like to know what you're doing with open source.
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1297[11:25:42] <bazhang> jun_, do you have an actual debian issue
1298[11:25:47] <jim> jun_, opening it further? compiling it? changing it? redistributing it with those changes? reading it? trying to understand it?
1299[11:25:51] <jun_> I'm just testing it.
1300[11:26:13] <jim> test away….
1301[11:26:26] <jun_> Look. I want to know what's going on with the makers?
1302[11:26:36] <bazhang> what makers
1303[11:26:40] <jim> they make?
1304[11:26:58] <jun_> Oh. Wait.
1305[11:27:05] <jim> it's not a secret :)
1306[11:27:21] <jun_> You need to keep it cool okay. These guys know what they're doing.
1307[11:27:29] <bazhang> join the debian mailing lists for the 'makers'
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1309[11:27:58] <jun_> Maybe later.
1310[11:28:02] <jun_> I'll hang out here a bit.
1311[11:28:18] <bazhang> jun_, offtopic chatter in #debian-offtopic
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1313[11:29:07] <jim> you're welcome to do that... and you can learn all you want... AND... this is not a place that -automatically- forwards information for you specifically
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1315[11:29:46] <jim> having said that, I have been even known to do a google search or two when it can help someone
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1318[11:30:40] <jim> just don't think of me as an info mule :) I don't swallow balloons :)
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1322[11:33:21] <jim> to that end, I/we will help you get better at gathering info, and finding where to go to get more
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1331[11:39:56] <gr8> Since upgrading to Stretch, I have a number of performance problems with my system. One of them is that I can't play videos without major lagging. One message from VLC I get is this one: replaced-url
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1333[11:42:21] <jelly> gr8: does mpv work any better?
1334[11:44:15] <jim> do you notice whether the disk accesses a lot before the thing starts
1335[11:44:17] <jim> ?
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1337[11:45:05] <gr8> jelly: yes it does! Also tried mplayer but it throws a lot of lines about "Not enough video memory to play this movie."
1338[11:45:17] <gr8> jim: SSD. So no I don't notice anything
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1340[11:45:55] <jim> there's no disk access light, like on the front panel of your computer?
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1342[11:46:14] <gr8> there is but it starts immediately.
1343[11:46:48] <jim> ok, so starting/swap/etc isn't it
1344[11:46:49] <gr8> ok I accidently tried the mplayer in a root shell. Running mplayer in a normal shell, the video just doesn't start.
1345[11:47:01] <gr8> mpv seems to work
1346[11:47:14] <jelly> also, do you get similar issues using mpv --hwdec=vaapi ..
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1349[11:48:05] <gr8> jelly: Seems to work, but I get a warning on the console that "VO does not support requested hardware decoder, or loading it failed."
1350[11:48:06] <bearsbot> mode change by osiris.inchra.chat on Inchra: +nt
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1357[11:49:24] <JuniusBrutus> jelly, I know that it's offtopic, but what exactly did nick/bot do?
1358[11:49:55] <jelly> be a bot
1359[11:50:12] <jelly> and also, make noise
1360[11:50:21] <JuniusBrutus> jelly, but what was its purpose?
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1362[11:50:56] <hassoon> jolly jelly
1363[11:51:21] <jelly> JuniusBrutus: don't care, it's not one of ours, so it's gone
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1366[11:52:56] <jelly> bear1: ask for permission before joining a bot in here, please
1367[11:53:06] <p0g0> JuniusBrutus: bots monitor the text stream from a channel and use that text to trigger canned responses, they can do about anything, but are often useless noise.
1368[11:53:31] <p0g0> fyi
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1386[12:03:09] <gr8> so?
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1389[12:04:28] <jelly> gr8: okay then, what about mpv -vo vdpau ... ?
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1393[12:05:24] <bazhang> gr8, whats the video, I will have a try
1394[12:05:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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1416[12:25:53] <Felix_Wolf> Hey! I was wondering, on a scale of 0 to 10, how ruined is my install? replaced-url
1417[12:25:54] <yang> Changing debian stretch grub kernel boot order, means editing /etc/default/grub "GRUB_DEFAULT=" entry, then executing "grub-update" for some reason it doesn't change the order ?
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1421[12:28:03] <jelly> yang: it's supposed to just change the default entry chosen
1422[12:28:42] <yang> the first kernel is listed from 0 to 3, then the next ones comes as 4, but it still boots the first one...
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1424[12:29:07] <yang> that's from grub.cfg
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1434[12:37:06] <gr8> jelly: Now I get this: replaced-url
1435[12:37:19] <hiroki> Using freshly installed Stretch, it seems that sysctl.conf + sysctl.d/*.conf are ignored during boot. For instance, I disable IPv6 in a sysctl.d/ipv6.conf file. This is not applied post-boot, however, restarting the service systemd-sysctl.service manually post-boot activates whatever sysctl configuration I have stored. Anyone experiencing the same issue / got any pointers ?
1436[12:37:40] <gr8> bazhang: it's a youtube video, i don't think the video is the issue.
1437[12:37:50] <gr8> (a downloaded youtube video)
1438[12:38:04] <jelly> yang: I honestly have no idea how you're supposed to pick an entry that's in a submenu, maybe that's what you're seeing
1439[12:38:18] <gr8> also now the video is played with VLC and mplayer, but the message is still there
1440[12:38:23] <jelly> yang: there's a #grub channel, maybe they know
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1442[12:38:35] <bazhang> gr8, is it mkv, flv, mp4 or what
1443[12:38:43] <gr8> mp4
1444[12:39:01] <bazhang> gr8, it's corrupt then
1445[12:39:15] <gr8> just re-downloaded it
1446[12:39:31] <bazhang> gr8, was this with adp or not
1447[12:39:38] <gr8> adp?
1448[12:39:43] <bazhang> yes
1449[12:39:48] <gr8> what is adp please
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1451[12:39:59] <jelly> gr8: the message may be a red herring; even if vaapi fails, decoding in software may be fast enough and the real issue is something else, like suboptimal video output configured in vlc
1452[12:39:59] <bazhang> gr8, how did you download it
1453[12:40:20] <gr8> bazhang: downloaded it with JDownloader
1454[12:40:26] <gr8> it normally works fine
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1456[12:40:39] <bazhang> gr8, thats the issue right htere
1457[12:40:48] <gr8> the issue started with the upgrade to Stretch
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1459[12:40:49] <bazhang> jdownloader is the worst
1460[12:40:56] <mrr0butt> :D
1461[12:41:23] <jelly> gr8: was mpv -vo vdpau also slow, or not?
1462[12:41:40] <jelly> ,v youtube-dl
1463[12:41:41] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2017.05.18.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2017.05.18.1-1; buster: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1
1464[12:42:02] <jelly> gr8: ^^ see if using that makes any difference (doubtful but...)
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1467[12:42:22] <hanshenrik> what the frawk
1468[12:42:30] <hanshenrik> what happened to libmysqlclient-dev in debian9?
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1470[12:42:33] <gr8> jelly: thanks, nothing is slow. Before, the video didn't play at all but now it works. Just the message is still there.
1471[12:42:47] <hanshenrik> its in oldstable and unstable
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1473[12:43:33] <hanshenrik> how do i install the mysql C lib in debian 9? ( this 1 replaced-url
1474[12:43:57] <jelly> hanshenrik: apt-cache search libmysqlclient dev
1475[12:44:15] <hanshenrik> libmariadbclient-dev-compat
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1478[12:44:40] <hanshenrik> thanks
1479[12:44:42] <jelly> hanshenrik: short answer is, you install default-libmysqlclient-dev
1480[12:44:50] <veek> why does my font change when i set a different locale
1481[12:45:00] <gr8> also I have a number of other problems, for example switching between X-Servers is very slow and sometimes the x server hangs for a few seconds. Sometimes resuming from RAM and then switching x-server makes everything hang. I might just try to make a fresh install
1482[12:45:16] <veek> XTERM_LOCALE
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1484[12:45:40] <veek> XTERM_LOCALE=zh_CN.UTF-8 is different from the C locale fonts
1485[12:45:44] <jelly> gr8: a fresh install will have the same versions of software and is not very likely to fix possible driver issues
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1487[12:45:57] <teraflops> veek: maybe youre talking about pressing same key prints a different glyph because the kayboard map?
1488[12:46:03] <gr8> jelly: maybe something wrent wrong during the upgrade
1489[12:46:15] <gr8> or Stretch just has these issues, then I'll switch OS
1490[12:46:24] <jelly> gr8: the latter is more likely
1491[12:46:29] <gr8> Hmm
1492[12:46:43] <gr8> not good.
1493[12:46:52] <gr8> I'll see if things will resolve themselves magically
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1495[12:46:55] <bazhang> a lagging video requires a fresh install?
1496[12:46:57] <veek> teraflops, i'm using fcitx in the background but that's not changing fonts.. my hexchat and firefox system fonts look different
1497[12:47:20] <gr8> bazhang: I want to watch movies right? :P
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1499[12:47:30] <gr8> can't live without watching series
1500[12:47:33] <jelly> gr8: see if creating a fresh user and logging in as that makes some of these issue go away, first
1501[12:47:37] <bazhang> gr8, then use the proper tools to dl from yt
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1506[12:48:13] <jelly> leftover incompatible settings in users
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1508[12:48:20] <gr8> jelly: ok thanks I will when it happens the next time
1509[12:48:26] <jelly> ' HOME do not get macigally upgraded
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1511[12:49:15] <gr8> bazhang: downloading a video from youtube is just fetching a HTTP bytestream, I don't see how that could go wrong
1512[12:49:21] <teraflops> veek: all the glyphs? mabe youre using a bad font that do no have all the chinese glup glyphs or render them properly
1513[12:49:32] <teraflops> s/glup/chinese
1514[12:49:34] <bazhang> get video download helper
1515[12:49:58] <gr8> ^ that dude xD
1516[12:50:00] <bazhang> thats the adp I was talking about
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1518[12:50:32] <bazhang> jdownloader is only less worse than yt-dl
1519[12:50:38] <gr8> in what respect?
1520[12:50:39] <teraflops> bah
1521[12:50:42] <teraflops> bazhang: ^
1522[12:50:44] <teraflops> xD
1523[12:50:45] <bazhang> every
1524[12:50:52] <gry> don't use acronyms
1525[12:50:53] <gr8> in every respect, I see :rofl
1526[12:51:02] <gry> when people ask what they mean, answer them
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1528[12:51:13] <veek> teraflops, i've installed the glyphs etc and chinese works via fcitx BUT i have to do export LC_ALL=zh_CN.UTF-8 and export GTK_IM_MODULE=fcitx and that changes the fonts in hexchat
1529[12:51:26] <bazhang> youtube-dl is the actual package name
1530[12:51:41] <teraflops> veek: idk what fcitx is sorry
1531[12:51:43] <bazhang> and we were talking about youtube
1532[12:51:49] <teraflops> I dont know^
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1534[12:51:55] <bazhang> so yt is clearly understood here by all
1535[12:52:21] <veek> teraflops, it's an input method.. you can do C-s and type ni hao and 'ni hao' gets converted to chinese
1536[12:52:58] <teraflops> veek: since when an input methos install glyphs?
1537[12:53:02] <teraflops> method
1538[12:53:18] <veek> teraflops, i installed the fonts/glyphs independently via apt
1539[12:53:30] <veek> which is why the chinese characters appear
1540[12:53:40] <Felix_Wolf> I went from 8 to 9, stuff probably broke during transit. Anyone know why windows would be looking like this, and how to fix it?: replaced-url
1541[12:53:54] <teraflops> veek: well, it looks like your issue is with that fcitx thingy
1542[12:54:01] <veek> but the ENGLISH fonts in hexchat are now altered
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1546[12:55:08] <jelly> bazhang: is this adp available in debian?
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1548[12:56:26] <Felix_Wolf> scratch that, fixed it, a symlink broke
1549[12:56:29] <bazhang> jelly, it's a setting in firefox when using the firefox addon, video downloader helper, which is also available on debian or nay system at all
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1551[12:56:41] <bazhang> any
1552[12:57:05] <jelly> so... I'm going with "no"
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1554[12:57:21] <bazhang> firefox runs on debian
1555[12:57:26] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
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1559[12:58:39] <bazhang> nice quit message
1560[12:58:45] <teraflops> debian runs on toasters are you going to complain about your breakfast here?
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1562[12:59:21] <bazhang> teraflops, I never have any video dl issues, so no
1563[12:59:32] <bazhang> it was grate that did
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1566[13:00:05] <jelly> and it magically fixed itself, so who knows
1567[13:01:45] <jelly> gr8: if you have an intel cpu and gpu, their drivers start to rot a bit after 2-3 newer generations come out
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1569[13:02:38] <jelly> so maybe something like sandybridge or ivybridge has reached that point where regressions start to creep in
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1572[13:03:11] <missmbob> youtube-dl
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1574[13:03:42] <jun_> awesome. they're gonna have chips that support 100,000 packages soon.
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1576[13:04:53] <jun_> I wanted to code for Intel but AMD has more rights.
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1580[13:06:42] <jun_> Those cheapskates.
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1582[13:06:51] <jun_> They run the show and then when they have it, boom.
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1587[13:07:30] <jelly> jun_: less noise in the future please, this channel is for tech support not random ramblings
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1611[13:21:09] <donatas> Anyone had problems deploying django app on debian sing wsgi python 3
1612[13:21:10] <donatas> ?
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1625[13:25:53] <gr8> here, problem Xorg is taking 90% of my CPU time after switching the VT to a different xserver
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1628[13:26:25] <user_`> is it possible to use virtualbox with installed grsec kernel from backports?
1629[13:27:09] <jelly> try it and see?
1630[13:27:20] <user_`> i tried in jessie already
1631[13:27:26] <user_`> no success
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1633[13:27:43] <jelly> using vbox on a _host_ with grsec kernel?
1634[13:27:45] <user_`> so i would like to know whether it's posible in current stable
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1636[13:28:33] <jelly> user_`: the grsec kernel is being increasingly out of date since grsecurity closed free access to their sources
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1638[13:29:04] <user_`> oh
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1640[13:29:10] <jelly> user_`: so there isn't any grsec build of the kernel in stretch at all
1641[13:29:13] <user_`> i was not aware sorry
1642[13:29:24] <user_`> jelly, well, actually there is
1643[13:29:27] <user_`> in backports
1644[13:29:41] <jelly> ,v linux-image-grsec-amd64
1645[13:29:42] <judd> Package: linux-image-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 12~bpo8+1; sid: 12
1646[13:30:12] <jelly> no stretch in that list
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1648[13:31:11] <jelly> but vbox does dirty tricks, I wouldn't be surprised it actually could not work at all on a grsec kernel with most settings enabled
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1651[13:32:32] <user_`> is there some reliable alternative to grsec?
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1655[13:36:24] <fallentree> user_`: no, and btw, grsec no longer has public patches so the grsec kernel is old, unpatched, buggy
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1657[13:37:19] <awal1> "Since April 26, 2017 all the patches are released to paying customers only. Any use of the GRSecurity trademarks in third party products, forks or modifications is also forbidden. The license for the product remains unchanged. (GPLv2) [6]" from Wikipedia
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1660[13:39:19] <jelly> fallentree: even a year old grsec can protect from some things better than latest vanilla
1661[13:39:35] <fallentree> maybe
1662[13:39:50] <fallentree> but, the only reliable alternative to this joke of linux security, is BSDs
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1664[13:40:18] <GenteelBen> lol that's actually true.
1665[13:40:24] <GenteelBen> Linux security is as broken as Windows security.
1666[13:40:28] <jelly> fallentree: we do have debian gnu/kfreebsd for those so inclined... but don't go there
1667[13:40:37] <jelly> let's keep to specific tech issues in here
1668[13:40:40] <GenteelBen> In fact I'd sooner trust a secured Windows box than a secured Linux box.
1669[13:40:42] <fallentree> yup.
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1671[13:41:01] <GenteelBen> The reason the PS3 was so amazing? BSD, baby.
1672[13:41:14] <jelly> GenteelBen, fallentree: you may discuss that in #debian-offtopic
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1675[13:42:09] <user_`> no, i wouldn't trust closed source any time
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1681[13:46:03] <fallentree> but, to stay ontopic wrt the debian package called linux-image-grsec, the problem is there were other vulns fixed that haven't landed in the grsec kernels. the grsec patches aren't holy grail either, they just fix some generic vectors like stack buffer overflows and similar. there's still a class of vulns that grsec can't help with because they're logical errors.
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1683[13:46:19] <fallentree> so, you're better off with mainline which recently got KSPP patches upstreamed.
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1685[13:47:20] <jelly> yes. They fix a dozen generic vectors, and I've seen local escalations fail on forgotten 3.2 grsec system where they worked on years newer 3.2 debian kernels
1686[13:47:29] <fallentree> take this stack guard page vuln (that Debian still hasn't fixed). According to RedHat, even grsec is vulnerable.
1687[13:48:27] <jelly> ,cve lookup CVE-2017-1000376
1688[13:48:31] <jelly> !cve lookup CVE-2017-1000376
1689[13:48:31] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2017-1000376 may be found at replaced-url
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1691[13:48:36] <jelly> fallentree: ^^
1692[13:49:09] <fallentree> there's a few more, unfixed. that vuln has several facets scattered across several CVEs
1693[13:49:27] <fallentree> btw, 376 is not the one I'm talking about
1694[13:49:33] <fallentree> let me find it
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1698[13:51:58] <jelly> fallentree: you can also search by source package name, so replaced-url
1699[13:52:57] <jelly> and there you find eg. CVE-2017-1000364
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1701[13:54:41] <fallentree> The 379 is what I meant
1702[13:54:52] <fallentree> no, wait
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1705[13:56:16] <fallentree> Right, it was 364. I see it's fixed now.
1706[13:56:18] <jelly> that one is mitigated by a) affected kernel not being part of any debian release and b) ld.so fixes
1707[13:56:41] <jelly> they've been fixed for a week, about the same time all the other distros fixed it
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1733[14:15:18] <Frogmorton> Hi I have a problem left over from my upgrade to Stretch; xserver-xorg-video-nvidia is broken or not fully installed
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1736[14:15:47] <Frogmorton> I can't install any packages because it first tries to uninstall that package and fails
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1739[14:16:29] <abrotman> You could use paste.debian.net to show us the errors
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1742[14:18:13] <Frogmorton> If I try to remove it a post-removal script fails: replaced-url
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1748[14:19:19] <user_`> what's about using user mode linux in terms of hardening security?
1749[14:20:08] <abrotman> Frogmorton: you could put a set -x at the top of the postrm if you wan tto see what's going on, or put an exit at the top to just remove it
1750[14:20:22] <larvallid> i want to set up luks to accept either a password or usb flash drive on boot. i followed this replaced-url
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1754[14:20:40] <loeken> Frogmorton, apt-get install -f ( to force )
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1756[14:21:25] <Frogmorton> It still tries to complete the removal first, with the -f
1757[14:21:50] <abrotman> yeah, that won't help
1758[14:21:55] <abrotman> you have to alter the postrm script
1759[14:22:11] <Frogmorton> Where would I find that script?
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1762[14:22:37] <abrotman> /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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1765[14:26:13] <Frogmorton> oh, it won't allow removal while 'nvidia' is still referenced in xorg.conf. happy to not remove it, so how do I make it complete the install/config?
1766[14:26:29] <OtakuSenpai> ,v firefox
1767[14:26:30] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-1; experimental: 55.0~b2-1
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1772[14:27:18] <user_`> ,v iceweasel
1773[14:27:19] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-
1774[14:27:20] <judd> security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-1; buster: 52.2.0esr-1
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1777[14:27:45] <OtakuSenpai> whats the command to specify a distribution on apt
1778[14:27:49] <abrotman> Frogmorton: you'd have to show us that output also
1779[14:27:51] <OtakuSenpai> -t ?
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1783[14:30:18] <OtakuSenpai> nm
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1786[14:31:37] <Frogmorton> it still comes back to 1 not fully installed or removed: replaced-url
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1788[14:32:27] <abrotman> set -x ?
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1793[14:34:12] <Frogmorton> is that instead of the set -e it already has?
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1796[14:35:28] <abrotman> sure
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1802[14:38:54] <bluewhitew> is there a way to kill intel hd and use only the amd on X ?
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1806[14:39:38] <Frogmorton> The postrm warning is about nvidia still in the xorg.conf. Can't find why it wont complete the install/configuration tho.
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1813[14:40:48] <Frogmorton> set -x just confirms that it stops because nvidia is still in use. I installed the wrong version (current) as well as the legacy version (340) so I don't know if this failed xserver thing is required by both
1814[14:41:07] <abrotman> the install complains it's in use also?
1815[14:41:25] <Frogmorton> Install just says not fully installed or configured
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1819[14:42:27] <abrotman> put the set -x at the stop of the preinst also?
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1821[14:42:46] <Frogmorton> tried that, don't think it ran it
1822[14:42:55] <abrotman> again, you could just put "exit 0" at the top, and it will remove the package
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1825[14:44:26] <abrotman> and then reinstall it (or attempt to)
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1828[14:44:53] <Frogmorton> Well that got rid of it
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1834[14:46:40] <Frogmorton> It looks like it was specific to the 375.66 driver, so hopefully I dont have to reinstall it
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1840[14:49:39] <Frogmorton> Ok no, that hosed xorg
1841[14:50:01] <abrotman> did you get the new driver installed?
1842[14:50:43] <Frogmorton> Putting it back now, It found a bunch of gl and related files to add in
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1846[14:51:59] <Frogmorton> Still getting a recurring error during installs: update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia/current because link group nvidia is broken
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1848[14:52:26] <abrotman> that's a warning, but seems ominous ?
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1850[14:53:00] <Frogmorton> It lets me use update-alternatives to select the correct driver
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1856[14:54:03] <Frogmorton> tho I think I shouldn't have installed nvidia current in the first place
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1862[14:55:32] <jelly> Frogmorton: that's not an error, and is normal
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1866[14:57:40] <jelly> does your card require current (375) or legacy 340 then? What does nvidia-detect say?
1867[14:58:03] <Frogmorton> It requires the 340
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1877[15:04:43] <Frogmorton> Cool that seems to have fixed things. Apt is working and the correct driver in use, think I shld stop messing with it : )
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1886[15:08:39] <Frogmorton> Thanx for the directions, I think my upgrade to Stretch is complete. sleep time.
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1892[15:11:57] <dvs> renaming the network devices are a pain!
1893[15:12:55] <jelly> so stop doing it
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1895[15:13:19] <dvs> It'll work for now until buster comes along.
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1932[15:32:40] <iodev> dvs: when? in 2018 right?
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1934[15:32:55] <dvs> iodev, I'd bet on 2019
1935[15:33:02] <dvs> !wwbr
1936[15:33:03] <dpkg> GO AWAY. I'M RESTING! I'VE ONLY JUST RELEASED STRETCH!
1937[15:33:08] <dvs> hah hahah aha
1938[15:33:13] <dvs> Can't get over that.
1939[15:33:47] <iodev> what does wwbr mean?
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1941[15:33:50] <iodev> (acronym)
1942[15:33:57] <dvs> when will buster release
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1944[15:33:58] <tw> when will it be released, I presume.
1945[15:34:00] <tw> ah.
1946[15:34:04] <iodev> !wwsr
1947[15:34:04] <dpkg> IT'S OUT! replaced-url
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1949[15:34:15] <iodev> ahh, I see
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1952[15:35:19] <mrdeb> getting a bootstrap error STILL on live images.
1953[15:35:42] <mrdeb> it loads the cdrom components now, but still stops at force mirror selection screen in installer.
1954[15:36:06] <nkuttler> mrdeb: you should ask the people in #debian-boot @oftc
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1956[15:36:51] <mrdeb> nkuttler: that's not a real channel
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1959[15:37:46] <nkuttler> !tell mrdeb about oftc
1960[15:37:54] <mrdeb> the only install that currently works is the default xfce4 cd, and that's ONLY if you select all three desktop component options. if you select only the base system and then install up from there, it will freeze on the lightdm screen (keyboard input isn't allowed).
1961[15:38:11] <abrotman> mrdeb: why are you using the live image? Hopefully not to install
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1963[15:38:21] <johnkeates> i'm using it to install
1964[15:38:25] <johnkeates> works fine for me
1965[15:38:41] <johnkeates> debian root on zfs
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1967[15:38:52] <nkuttler> mrdeb: actually, #debian-live for the live image
1968[15:38:55] <mrdeb> abrotman: i use the live cd, because i wanted the mate desktop and ability to update via laptop on the fly, then save the deb files for offline update ot other machines. that's how i use the live images
1969[15:39:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1662
1970[15:39:05] <abrotman> ...
1971[15:39:10] <marc__> hi, you should use the netinstall cd, it work fine for me
1972[15:39:28] <mrdeb> thats the smart way to perform updates an d installs on a new system or onees without high speed net access
1973[15:39:44] <mrdeb> thats not what im talking about
1974[15:39:59] <mrdeb> point is, this shows the need for better QA
1975[15:40:12] <johnkeates> you shouldn't abuse it that way
1976[15:40:16] <nkuttler> thank you for volunteering
1977[15:40:22] <johnkeates> use the apt tools for file-based archives instead
1978[15:40:24] <mrdeb> i will do it
1979[15:40:25] <johnkeates> or apt-cdrom
1980[15:40:32] <mrr0butt> the live image installation doesn't allow root login and doesn't add your user to sudoers
1981[15:40:33] <nkuttler> or apt-offline
1982[15:40:34] <mrdeb> i already installed like 10 times
1983[15:40:35] <johnkeates> or whatever it was called
1984[15:40:38] <abrotman> !apt-proxy
1985[15:40:38] <dpkg> apt-proxy is a caching proxy for <apt>. See replaced-url
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1987[15:40:50] <johnkeates> just because doing it wrong 10 times works a few times doesn't mean it's suddenly not wrong
1988[15:40:54] <abrotman> or apt-zip
1989[15:40:56] <mrdeb> i am doing it right
1990[15:41:09] <mrdeb> and am the one that pointed out the cdrom bug in the live images, so it could be fixed
1991[15:41:10] <johnkeates> not according to debian
1992[15:41:13] <mrdeb> fyi
1993[15:41:14] <johnkeates> yes
1994[15:41:17] <johnkeates> very well
1995[15:41:18] <johnkeates> etc
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1997[15:41:26] <johnkeates> but apt-offline anyhow
1998[15:41:33] <nkuttler> ,v apt-zip
1999[15:41:34] <judd> Package: apt-zip on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.18
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2001[15:41:58] <nkuttler> mrdeb: that you have found a bug doesn't mean you picked the right approach
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2003[15:42:12] <abrotman> dead eh?
2004[15:42:13] <mrdeb> sigh
2005[15:42:21] <mrdeb> i mean that i am following hte normal install procs
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2007[15:42:31] <mrdeb> like on deb 8.8, expert install
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2010[15:43:19] <johnkeates> i use debootstrap
2011[15:43:22] <johnkeates> that's normal
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2014[15:43:31] <mrdeb> ?
2015[15:43:34] <mrdeb> you have a fix?
2016[15:43:37] <johnkeates> i am a fix
2017[15:43:42] <mrdeb> mr fixit
2018[15:43:43] * johnkeates fixes you
2019[15:43:54] <mrdeb> i am too fixed
2020[15:44:01] <johnkeates> thats quite a fixation ;-)
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2022[15:44:19] <johnkeates> anyway, i didn't actually join when you explained your problem, so what is the actual issue? live cd crashing?
2023[15:44:56] <forcerecon> On the debian emails from the security advisory board they are signed but not encrypted.. I would like to add the key to my keyring. Is there a place to download the key
2024[15:45:13] <johnkeates> use the gpg tool and the key id
2025[15:45:14] <johnkeates> i think
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2029[15:46:46] <mrdeb> the problem is that on the live mate cd
2030[15:47:17] <mrdeb> you can now get past the cdrom-not-loading screen, but it stops on the debian archive mirror selection screen with a 'bootstrap can't find release version' fatal error
2031[15:47:19] <mrr0butt> istalled the live image twice cuz first time i thought that i had a typo in the root pass
2032[15:47:44] <mrdeb> also, why are these images over 2gbs in size? is that really necessary
2033[15:47:56] <abrotman> yes
2034[15:48:00] <mrdeb> why
2035[15:48:12] <mrr0butt> offline install
2036[15:48:18] <abrotman> because it's a liveCD that people expect to use
2037[15:48:36] <abrotman> if you want a small installer, use the official netinst to install, like you're supposed to
2038[15:48:37] <mrdeb> i mean, the normal cd is 650 mb abouts
2039[15:48:49] <johnkeates> it's a DVD
2040[15:48:49] <mrdeb> there are live cds for other distros under 1 gb
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2042[15:48:56] <abrotman> so use those distros
2043[15:48:58] <mrdeb> i just dont understand
2044[15:49:02] <johnkeates> we see that
2045[15:49:05] <abrotman> we've noticed
2046[15:49:06] * johnkeates trolls slightly
2047[15:49:17] <mrr0butt> :D
2048[15:49:17] <mrdeb> so what inflates it
2049[15:49:24] <johnkeates> hot air does
2050[15:49:30] <mrdeb> oh ok
2051[15:49:33] <abrotman> software that people want to use
2052[15:49:37] <mrdeb> that's ingenious
2053[15:49:37] <johnkeates> we can mount it and do ncdu -x on it
2054[15:49:39] <johnkeates> but you can do that too
2055[15:49:48] <abrotman> If you want a smaller installer, use the netinst, like you're supposed to
2056[15:49:49] <johnkeates> it's probably mostly desktop gui software
2057[15:50:00] <abrotman> if fits on a CD like you want
2058[15:50:04] <johnkeates> also, you don't "need" live to do what you want to do
2059[15:50:05] <mrdeb> i need a complete offline solutions with all updates
2060[15:50:09] <abrotman> it's way under 1GB
2061[15:50:09] <johnkeates> you can use CD1 installer as well
2062[15:50:11] <mrdeb> thats where the live cd comes into play
2063[15:50:13] <johnkeates> and execute a shell in there
2064[15:50:26] <johnkeates> you don't need the live CD
2065[15:50:30] <mrdeb> i can also do that on a regular cd, but only one time
2066[15:50:30] <johnkeates> you need the non-netinstaller cd
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2068[15:50:34] <abrotman> mrdeb: so why not download a complete set of images, instead of the (apparently) broken LiveCD
2069[15:50:36] <mrdeb> i know john
2070[15:50:41] <mrdeb> i did that with xfce4 cd one time
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2072[15:50:52] <mrdeb> but for current updates, im not gonna reinstall on a machine each time and take it to another
2073[15:50:55] <introom> apt source linux-source-4.9 doesn't give me 4.9 kernel, instead, it gives 4.11
2074[15:50:58] <introom> why?
2075[15:51:04] <johnkeates> for update, use apt cdrom
2076[15:51:09] <mrdeb> because cat
2077[15:51:10] <johnkeates> the system has been in place for many years
2078[15:51:18] <abrotman> mrdeb: this is really what apt proxies are for
2079[15:51:29] <mrdeb> i dont need that
2080[15:51:32] <mrdeb> i just update the lists
2081[15:51:33] <johnkeates> traditional install: use CD-ROM and apt's CD-ROM source for updates
2082[15:51:38] <mrdeb> and then the archives --download-only
2083[15:51:38] <abrotman> you instruct one to upgrade, cache the packages, you use it on the other X number of systems
2084[15:51:42] <mrdeb> and copy to usb -- all set
2085[15:51:49] <johnkeates> use the damn APT CD-ROM support!
2086[15:52:00] <mrdeb> i read about that one time and it wasnt good
2087[15:52:02] <johnkeates> or other offline archie support
2088[15:52:05] <johnkeates> it is good
2089[15:52:05] <abrotman> Right, so you've created your own apt-proxy instead of using one that already exists .. but your moethod has bugs .. congrats
2090[15:52:09] <johnkeates> it's been good for 9 years
2091[15:52:21] <mrdeb> no bugs
2092[15:52:26] <johnkeates> there have been many systems in place for non-networked or local-only networked machines
2093[15:52:29] <johnkeates> for years
2094[15:52:31] <johnkeates> use them
2095[15:52:36] <johnkeates> don't reinvent the wheel (badly)
2096[15:52:53] <mrdeb> cp sources.list /etc/apt; cp lists/* /var/lib/apt/lists/; cp archives* /var/cache/apt/archives -- sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -- works every time
2097[15:53:01] <mrdeb> ok?
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2099[15:53:26] <johnkeates> don't do that
2100[15:53:29] <johnkeates> just don't
2101[15:53:33] <johnkeates> nope
2102[15:53:34] <mrdeb> no problems at all
2103[15:53:36] <johnkeates> don't
2104[15:53:39] <mrdeb> why not
2105[15:53:46] <johnkeates> are you apt?
2106[15:54:05] <mrdeb> it is my proprietary way i figured out
2107[15:54:07] <mrdeb> so good
2108[15:54:13] * themill wonders what this has to do with #debian
2109[15:54:14] <johnkeates> no
2110[15:54:25] <dvs> it's not working
2111[15:54:30] <johnkeates> themill: debian installer + apt+dpkg has a lot to do with #debian
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2113[15:54:48] <themill> doing crazy things that happen to be on a debian box does not
2114[15:54:51] <johnkeates> don't mess with apt's caches and databases
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2116[15:55:02] <johnkeates> just because it doesn't *always* break doesn't mean it's not a bad idea
2117[15:55:13] <mrdeb> its a normal process - same thing apt does downloading online
2118[15:55:17] <abrotman> it is not normal
2119[15:55:17] <mrdeb> then i let it do the work
2120[15:55:17] <johnkeates> no it's not
2121[15:55:21] <themill> YHBT
2122[15:55:27] <mrdeb> i have been doing it for year
2123[15:55:29] <mrdeb> years
2124[15:55:30] <abrotman> mrdeb: if your method is normal, and works, why are you here with issues?
2125[15:55:37] <mrdeb> different issues
2126[15:55:43] <johnkeates> just because you do something a lot doesn't mean its wrong
2127[15:55:49] <mrdeb> the live cd has nothing to do with the example i was giving for apt udpating
2128[15:56:02] <johnkeates> if i go outside every day and murder a random person, doesn't mean murder is suddenly ok because it 'works'
2129[15:56:13] <mrdeb> it is ok, if you work for the govt
2130[15:56:19] <johnkeates> no it's not
2131[15:56:28] <contrapunctus> ...is this not trolling? :\
2132[15:56:33] <johnkeates> i think it might be
2133[15:56:41] <themill> johnkeates, mrdeb: please stop
2134[15:56:42] <contrapunctus> Anyway...if there's a WiFi chip which is *not listed* on the Debian wiki WiFi page...what are the chances it'd be supported? Would it be helpful if I bought a device with it?
2135[15:56:46] <mrdeb> you gave an example and i countered it
2136[15:56:48] <mrdeb> that's all
2137[15:57:00] <mrdeb> anyway, my only thing is to fix the cd rom bootstrap error
2138[15:57:05] <johnkeates> no, you don't know how to use debian, that's all
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2140[15:57:16] <mrdeb> of course i do
2141[15:57:19] <mrdeb> look at my name
2142[15:57:28] <johnkeates> contrapunctus: check if the driver supports it, usually a device has a chip and that chip has to be driven
2143[15:57:31] <dvs> !tell contrapunctus about firmware iso
2144[15:58:04] <johnkeates> that too, driver doesn't mean you get the firmware for free, sometimes you need to install the firmware package from non-free
2145[15:58:17] <mrdeb> or from deb dpkg -i
2146[15:58:26] <johnkeates> if you don't know the chip yet, it might be in wikidevi
2147[15:58:27] <mrdeb> i sometimes just keep a realtek firmware deb around
2148[15:58:32] <mrdeb> if the wif doesnt work
2149[15:59:02] <contrapunctus> johnkeates: I meant, would it help in any way towards a freedom-respecting driver being developed for it?
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2152[15:59:15] <johnkeates> it depends on the chip
2153[15:59:23] <johnkeates> also, it's often not the driver but the firmware that is non-free
2154[15:59:41] <johnkeates> and unless you can write RTOS radio firmware it's never going to happen ;-) oh, and all the info's are under NDA
2155[15:59:52] <contrapunctus> o_O crap
2156[16:00:17] <abrotman> contrapunctus: how old is it?
2157[16:00:22] <abrotman> contrapunctus: that page may not be up to date
2158[16:00:23] <johnkeates> i'm not 100% sure, but i believe there are pretty much no 802.11 radio's that are totally 'free'
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2160[16:00:37] <johnkeates> also, we really need to know the chip it uses to help
2161[16:00:54] <abrotman> contrapunctus: if you have the pciid or usbid, that would be a big help
2162[16:01:19] <mrr0butt> ath9k_htc firmware is free
2163[16:01:35] <johnkeates> interesting
2164[16:01:39] <abrotman> I think he meant fully OSS Free
2165[16:01:48] <johnkeates> yes
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2167[16:01:53] <johnkeates> DFSG-free / FOSS-free
2168[16:02:42] <johnkeates> it's probably going to take more work on SDR like with GSM/4G before we can have a real 'free' 802.11 as well
2169[16:02:55] <johnkeates> but osmocom is way ahead vs. 802.11 radio
2170[16:02:57] <contrapunctus> the chips are RTL8723BS, RTL8188CU (there are other RTL8188xx chipsets listed, but not this particular one), AP6335.
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2172[16:03:13] <johnkeates> so you need realtek driver+firmware
2173[16:03:15] <contrapunctus> abrotman: I don't have them physically, I'm just consulting what to buy
2174[16:03:23] <abrotman> contrapunctus: /msg dpkg <chipset>
2175[16:03:42] <abrotman> dpkg: you're the best wiki ever ..
2176[16:03:42] <dpkg> abrotman: i haven't a clue
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2178[16:05:19] <dvs> heh
2179[16:05:25] <contrapunctus> oooh, rtl8723bs is supported, seems like
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2181[16:05:46] <contrapunctus> I see atleast four files in the repo that look like binaries, though? o_O
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2187[16:07:18] <contrapunctus> johnkeates: wow, holy crap, TIL (osmocom)
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2189[16:07:36] <johnkeates> yeah
2190[16:07:38] <johnkeates> it's a beast
2191[16:07:47] <johnkeates> full-foss GSM is here.
2192[16:08:03] <johnkeates> radio firmware, handset, bts etc.
2193[16:08:08] <johnkeates> calling, texting, you name it
2194[16:08:35] <johnkeates> at some point we'll get 4g/5g and then we'll probably see a large influx of private 4g nets in unregulated area
2195[16:08:44] <johnkeates> since it's way easier/faster/more reliable than 802.11
2196[16:08:56] <contrapunctus> johnkeates: and just the other day I was reading replaced-url
2197[16:09:02] <johnkeates> i do wonder when it's going to get big enough that debian gets standard support for this stuf
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2199[16:09:17] <johnkeates> yeah, that's the firmware we were talking about
2200[16:09:22] <johnkeates> debian splits them in firmware-* packages
2201[16:09:37] <johnkeates> they are basically a RTOS that sometimes is wired to allow direct ram access
2202[16:09:41] <johnkeates> pretty bad stuff
2203[16:10:16] <johnkeates> it's also why you often only have basic PPP with USB 3g/4g modems or you end up with non-free secret sauce and crazy usbmodeswitch commands
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2205[16:10:49] <contrapunctus> ...been there :(
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2207[16:11:06] <johnkeates> but it's a hard problem to solve, and looking at the things are aren't explicitly specialistic and 'hard' like a desktop OS (which to be fair is still hard), we're only just 'getting there'
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2209[16:11:44] <johnkeates> on the other hand, even if it's not as common as other systems, it's still lightyears ahead in terms of freedom, configurability, choice etc.
2210[16:12:18] <johnkeates> you can install debian and use it in any number of ways, you can do it totally wrong and still have it work (i.e. messing with apt directories)
2211[16:13:04] <veek> why does my fonts change on the firefox/hexchat menus when i change locale: replaced-url
2212[16:13:13] <contrapunctus> for the 8188CU - "Non-free firmware is required for all drivers" - replaced-url
2213[16:13:22] <veek> vs replaced-url
2214[16:13:46] <contrapunctus> and dpkg does not know about AP6335
2215[16:14:17] <veek> the only alteration i do is this line: Firefox su - veek -c 'export LC_ALL=zh_CN.UTF-8; /usr/local/firefox/firefox'
2216[16:14:59] <sine0> what is the domain someone mentioned hwere you can get your ip address as the only reply for cli checking
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2219[16:15:58] <johnkeates> veek: it's because zh_CN requires a different font to display those characters
2220[16:16:11] <johnkeates> sine0: jsonip? not sure
2221[16:16:18] <themill> veek: are you also changing user there as well as locale?
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2223[16:16:32] <veek> ah the glyphs are different for zh_CN.. themill yes
2224[16:16:35] <johnkeates> the standard font has no zh_CN chars
2225[16:16:55] <johnkeates> and the zn_CN font has 'weird' latin chars :P
2226[16:17:08] <themill> veek: that would mean you're also picking up different configuration for the fonts, potentially
2227[16:17:15] <johnkeates> fonts are like dates and times: incredibly hard to get right for everyone
2228[16:18:16] <veek> johnkeates, is there a way around this? the reason i have that locale line is for fcitx which doesn't popup when i C-space without it
2229[16:18:39] <veek> 你好
2230[16:18:44] <johnkeates> you can make it non-default and only apply it to that program
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2232[16:19:08] <veek> works in hexchat/firefox but without the locale i get nothing
2233[16:19:09] <johnkeates> or you can install a font that has both the glyphs needed by the locale and 'normal' latin chars
2234[16:19:18] <themill> veek: there should be no need to change the locale before starting a program
2235[16:19:28] <johnkeates> it's because input, locales, font etc. are somewhat tied together to work properly
2236[16:19:32] <themill> veek: what's making you want to do this?
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2239[16:19:59] <veek> themill, there's a learn chinese channel and i have QQ?
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2241[16:20:22] <johnkeates> themill: fcitx is a program for input methods that are different from generic latin inputs
2242[16:20:25] <veek> so sometimes i go there to chat and it would be convenient to type words
2243[16:20:38] <johnkeates> you can't use it with en_US and related locales
2244[16:20:48] <themill> umm, that's full of frap
2245[16:20:53] <johnkeates> no it's not
2246[16:21:01] <themill> veek: you should be able to switch IME without needing to change locale
2247[16:21:06] <johnkeates> we had chinese expats run into the same issue
2248[16:21:14] <johnkeates> it's not a normal IME
2249[16:21:30] <johnkeates> also, it's badly documented
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2253[16:22:30] <veek> actually i thought a chinese unicode font would support only chinese chars not latin-1 etc
2254[16:22:36] <veek> weird
2255[16:22:47] <themill> fonts can (and often do) cover lots
2256[16:22:49] <johnkeates> no, it works, but they often contain weird latin
2257[16:23:18] <jim> hi, what's the name of the package that has the man pages for the libc function calls (and other things)
2258[16:23:19] <jim> ?
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2260[16:23:48] <themill> jim: manpages-dev
2261[16:23:49] <johnkeates> manpages
2262[16:24:04] <jim> thanks
2263[16:24:21] <johnkeates> yeah, the -dev version
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2265[16:24:36] <themill> you may also want glibc-doc depending on what you're doing
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2270[16:26:10] <Murda> How can I install packages from stetch if I use jessie, if I add repo for it, and use command apt-get upgrade, it will try to upgrade everything, but I dont want it.
2271[16:26:55] <themill> Murda: that's going to end in tears, best you don't try. What package btw?
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2273[16:27:13] <Murda> themill: openjdk-8
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2276[16:27:32] <themill> !jessie-backports
2277[16:27:32] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
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2279[16:28:23] <ajay> #debian
2280[16:28:35] <ajay> Hai i installed stretch
2281[16:28:37] <themill> Murda: ^^ openjdk 8 is in jessie-backprots
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2283[16:28:47] <ajay> but mouse touchpd double click is not working
2284[16:28:50] <Murda> themill: will try
2285[16:28:52] <ajay> is there any way to fix it
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2299[16:37:23] <guerby> hi on an intel NUC after upgrading from jessie to stretch I got "slow sound" when using HDMI output (not with bluetooth headset)
2300[16:37:32] <guerby> I fixed the issue following advice here: replaced-url
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2302[16:38:02] <guerby> uncommenting *-sample-rate in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
2303[16:38:17] <dvs> oh pulse, no wonder.
2304[16:38:45] <guerby> I searched on "source.c: Default and alternate sample rates are the same." I got in daemon.log
2305[16:38:48] <guerby> dvs, :)
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2314[16:45:11] <nvz> i edited /etc/init.d/nodm and set the user to user and told it to read /home/user/.xsession yet its still starting x as root and ignoring the user xsession file that currently says to start a terminal and sawfish
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2333[17:06:34] <nvz> ah feck.. seems my kernel on this opi doesnt work properly with systemd, which is causing nodm to not work. guess after lunch i need to switch systemd out
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2372[17:25:49] <user_`> Hello, when security.debian.org repo will support https?
2373[17:26:50] <nrs_> I've got a weird problem with encrypted swap after upgrading to Stretch
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2376[17:27:12] <nrs_> the system wont initialize my swap partition with a random key on bootup
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2378[17:27:38] <nrs_> it boots without swap entirely
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2380[17:28:03] <nrs_> any idea what I should check to see how to fix this?
2381[17:28:03] <BluesKaj> hmm, encrypted swap
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2386[17:28:56] <sine0> where can i find the list of items that can be in $cart_item_data
2387[17:29:10] <sine0> $cart_item_data['this_etc']
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2391[17:29:38] <BluesKaj> nrs_, make sure swap is on and entered in /etc/fstab
2392[17:29:46] <nrs_> it's there.
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2395[17:30:28] <BluesKaj> check that it's on with a partitoner
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2399[17:30:56] <nrs_> partitioner?
2400[17:31:03] <nrs_> like fdisk?
2401[17:31:20] <nrs_> the partitions didn't change when I upgraded
2402[17:31:35] <nrs_> not only that but it's in /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab
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2407[17:34:01] <BluesKaj> nrs_, like gparted
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2410[17:34:23] <nrs_> i'm not running this with a UI. It's a server
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2412[17:34:38] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Swap is not in fstab.
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2416[17:35:35] <nrs_> jhutchins: /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt none swap sw 0 0
2417[17:35:45] <nrs_> that's from my /etc/fstab
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2419[17:36:06] <nrs_> sda5 --> sda5_crypt --> swap
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2421[17:37:02] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, it is in mine
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2435[17:43:48] <mns> I installed default-mysql-server (mariadb-server-10.1) and it did not prompt me for the admin password. Is this a separate step ? I was under the impression dpkg qould prompt for that ?
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2445[17:47:59] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Yeah, mine too, even the older one. Now I've got to go check the boxes at work (different distro).
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2448[17:48:18] <jhutchins> Maybe I'm just thinking it doesn't show up in df.
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2452[17:51:38] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, yeah, neither on df or df -h
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2461[17:53:31] <jhutchins> I'll ave to play around a bit, seems that I remember it doesn't have to be in fstab for the system to detect and use it.
2462[17:53:43] <jhutchins> of course, this is without LVM or Crypt.
2463[17:54:43] <BluesKaj> yeah,no crypt here
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2553[18:28:53] <vahe> hi all , nmtui(networkmanager) does not connect after a reboot of the router ,can't find network debian 8
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2574[18:37:19] <dontknow> intel sky lake or kabby lake hyper threading processors with fatal error, very bad. WARNING: replaced-url
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2576[18:37:32] <dontknow> please read it. it is serious
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2595[18:54:56] <jun_> pay me.
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2602[18:58:43] <jhutchins> There's a BIOS update for one of the servers I manage, but it only works for RedHat (or Windows).
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2604[18:58:49] <jhutchins> Dell
2605[18:58:49] <jun_> miniMon will pay eh?
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2686[19:48:13] <user1_> i installed debian stretch and then bluedevil but cannot see a bluetooth applet on my mate desktop. I can run bludevil-wizard from the command line though. what gives?
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2706[19:54:37] <ber532k> bluetoothgrief: Is the applet even running?
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2710[19:55:12] <bluetoothgrief> ber532k, no
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2712[19:56:42] <ber532k> For networkmanager you have to run `nm-applet`, though usually it is run by the desktop environment
2713[19:57:23] <ber532k> I don't know about bluetooth thoug, for networkmanager `nm-applet &` should fix it
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2715[19:57:32] <ber532k> might be something similar though
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2724[20:00:41] <bluetoothgrief> ber532k, network manager is running ok and i can see the applet on the top right corner. The problem is the bluetooth applet. I can not see it. are *you* running the mate desktop environment on you computer?
2725[20:00:42] <anon117> #ubuntu-hu
2726[20:01:02] <anon117> sry
2727[20:03:17] <gglasses> Hi guys & gals. What is the easiest way to do a booteable USB with Debian 9?
2728[20:03:36] <Brigo> gglasses, download the image and copy it directly to the usb stick
2729[20:03:59] <Brigo> cp debian-image.iso /dev/sdb or what ever the usb is.
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2731[20:04:12] <ber532k> bluetoothgrief: No I'm not. I was just suggesting to look into the binaries owned by the bluetooth-manager, maybe calling one will have it appear in your notifications-area.
2732[20:04:14] <gglasses> Brigo, is that simple? :)
2733[20:04:51] <gglasses> Brigo: I am copying this file debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-gnome.iso
2734[20:04:54] <gglasses> ^^ is that all need? :D
2735[20:05:02] <gglasses> Sorry, I am a newbie *-*
2736[20:05:12] <Brigo> gglasses, yes. Just don't add the number at the end or of /dev/sdb or you will be copying to a partition, no the disk.
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2739[20:06:24] <bluetoothgrief> Brigo, can cp image.iso /dev/sdb *without* mounting the usb stick?
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2741[20:06:40] <ber532k> gglasses: Yes it should be that simple. Iso files ar nothing but virtual disk images, and /dev/sdX are files for disk-images provided by the kernel, so writing one to the other will copy that iso to disk / disk to iso.
2742[20:06:54] <Brigo> bluetoothgrief, right
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2751[20:08:54] <gglasses> Brigo: I did not understand your recommendation about not adding a number to /dev/sdb would you elaborate just a little bit please? sorry to bother you :)
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2753[20:09:49] <Brigo> gglasses, /dev/sdb is a disk /dev/sdb1 is the first partition of that disk.
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2757[20:10:54] <gglasses> Brigo: ahhh! interesting thing to know. Yes, I will be copying things to disk then, no number at the end. Gotcha. :)
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2759[20:11:48] <gglasses> I will be installing Debian on a Dell Inspiron 7567, do you know what the support for that model is? Or ir I will run into any issue ?
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2765[20:13:56] <mtn> gglasses: research your video and wifi chips for linux support. you can use the debian wiki for debian issues
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2769[20:15:18] <gglasses> mtn: I am running Fedora right now and they both work fine. Is it safe to assume they will continue to work on a .deb system? :P
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2772[20:15:48] <mtn> gglasses: generally yes, but it pays to see check out the debian wiki for any possible surprises
2773[20:16:54] <gglasses> mtn: thank you a lot for that :D I am researching right now
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2776[20:17:03] <mtn> gglasses: welcome
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2786[20:20:34] <mabynogy> was on Fedora before and debian is ok for me gglasses
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2788[20:21:09] <mtn> mabynogy: it all depends on the hardware. some is great, some is harder
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2790[20:22:07] <gglasses> mabynogy: were you on a dell inspiron too? :)
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2794[20:22:27] <mabynogy> yes mtn I have only intel stuff might help
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2796[20:22:34] <gglasses> I used Debian before too! I changed to Fedora just to experienced a little. But... I find Debian more suitable for development <3
2797[20:22:45] <mtn> gglasses: and not all inspirons have the same chips, either
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2800[20:23:32] <gglasses> mtn: yes, and on Debian wiki, InstallingDebianOnDell, there is not my model.. p
2801[20:23:38] <BCMM> gglasses: can you link to the specs for your laptop?
2802[20:23:41] <gglasses> I will try anyway, how can I give feedback later? :)
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2805[20:24:14] <mtn> gglasses: right, don't look up your model, check out the video and wifi chips, instead
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2807[20:24:30] <mabynogy> replaced-url
2808[20:24:31] <gglasses> BCMM: replaced-url
2809[20:24:33] <mabynogy> no gglasses
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2811[20:25:35] <bluetoothgrief> i installed debian stretch and then bluedevil but cannot see a bluedevil applet on my mate desktop. I can run bludevil-wizard from the command line though. what gives?
2812[20:25:48] <mtn> gglasses: lspci -nn will show your chips
2813[20:25:54] <BCMM> gglasses: hmm, for stuff like the GPU they tell you what they actually put in, but then under wireless they just say "802.11ac +"
2814[20:26:25] <BCMM> gglasses: i.e. unless i'm overlooking something, they don't actually say what wireless card they use
2815[20:26:43] <mtn> why not look at the real data?
2816[20:27:05] <gglasses> Yes, sure. I am doing that right now mtn BCMM
2817[20:27:40] <mtn> gglasses: paste it to replaced-url
2818[20:28:18] <BCMM> most likely, they have one of those minipci slots and dell either includes different cards in different countries or wants to be able to switch suppliers freely to save money in the future
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2820[20:28:46] <jelly> lspci -nn knows all. Well, most.
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2822[20:29:11] <gglasses> mtn BCMM: replaced-url
2823[20:29:24] <gglasses> ^^ all the info from lspci -nn is there
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2826[20:29:52] <jelly> ah, intel wifi
2827[20:30:05] <mtn> gglasses: read the debian wiki on nvidia
2828[20:30:18] <jelly> judd: pciid 8086:3165
2829[20:30:19] <judd> [8086:3165] is 'Wireless 3165' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
2830[20:30:21] <mtn> gglasses: and the wifi wiki,too
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2832[20:31:09] <jelly> /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v00008086d00003165sv*sd00008110bc*sc*i* iwlwifi
2833[20:31:14] <BCMM> ata_generic? oops
2834[20:31:24] <jelly> judd gets confused sometimes
2835[20:31:44] <BCMM> what's the kernel version in Stable?
2836[20:31:44] <MaxLanar> Hi, has anyone installed succesfully debian on a chromebook flip ? In dual boot or instead of chromeos or at least with crouton ?
2837[20:31:50] <BCMM> gglasses: yeah that wireless card should work
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2839[20:32:07] <gglasses> BCMM: wohoo :)
2840[20:32:14] <BCMM> gglasses: i believe you'll need firmware-iwlwifi from non-free
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2844[20:32:53] <gglasses> Interesting BCMM
2845[20:32:55] <BCMM> and it should work well as well. the intel stuff that's supported in the mainline kernel is trouble-free
2846[20:32:58] <gglasses> Sigh, a lot that I do not know
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2848[20:33:32] <nvz> how do i get corg in stretch to let me run it as non-root? it used to be a setting in Xwrapper.config that seems to be ignored now by xorg
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2850[20:33:40] <nvz> s/corg/xorg/
2851[20:34:39] <nvz> I'm trying to use nodm to start x as a user automatically and it keeps starting as root
2852[20:34:46] <BCMM> gglasses: that means you might want to use an ethernet cable to install the wifi firmware, since i'm not sure it's in the default install. other than that, you're good
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2856[20:35:28] <gglasses> MCMM: am I good with the nvidia drivers too? I am reading how to install them for Debian 8, but there no doc on Debian 9
2857[20:35:37] <ber532k> nvz: you have to edit /etc/default/nodm
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2859[20:36:01] <ber532k> Include the line: NODM_USER=user
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2862[20:36:35] <nvz> ber532k: ill try that, i had chamged the initscript which has the vars set in it
2863[20:36:46] <BCMM> gglasses: most likely it hasn't changed substantially. wiki just hasn't been updated because Stretch only came out last week
2864[20:37:27] <gglasses> BCMM: thank you a lot :) I will give it a try then, I am half the way on the download
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2866[20:38:11] <BCMM> gglasses: btw for nvidia basically just install nvidia-detect, run it, and do what it says
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2868[20:38:38] <jelly> or
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2870[20:38:42] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
2871[20:38:42] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
2872[20:38:55] <BCMM> gglasses: that way you don't have to deal with working out which driver your card uses
2873[20:39:09] <jelly> replacing nvidia-kernel-dkms with a legacy one if need be
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2875[20:40:17] <gglasses> Oh, nice, thank you! :D
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2877[20:40:39] <gglasses> I am really excited to try Debian again
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2879[20:40:45] <gglasses> Let us hope I do not run into any issues :(
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2887[20:42:56] <BCMM> gglasses: btw i assume you want to play high-performance games or something right? otherwise, the open-source nouveau driver (installed by default) works just fine for many workloads
2888[20:43:15] <jelly> when it works, yes
2889[20:43:47] <gglasses> BCMM: yes, I am into all sorts of no good ;) haha
2890[20:43:47] <jelly> when it doesn't crash every 2 days on two different nvidia cards
2891[20:44:08] <jelly> (but do try it, maybe you get lucky)
2892[20:44:26] <gglasses> haha Jelly: you are not giving me a lot of confidence - so, non-free nvidia drivers are best option?
2893[20:44:45] <jelly> gglasses: no, try nouveau first, if it works for you, great
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2899[20:46:49] <gglasses> jelly: if I may ask, what is the advantage? I do really want to know what is going on... nouveau/non-free nvidia drivers
2900[20:47:33] <jelly> gglasses: in my case the advantage is not having X hang every 2 days
2901[20:47:55] <jelly> but enjoying uptimes of 8, even 9 days
2902[20:48:48] <gglasses> oh, that is interesting
2903[20:49:06] <jelly> the advantage of nouveau is free drivers will work better with it, eg. mixing intel gpu and nvidia to get 4-5 outputs
2904[20:49:22] <jelly> and you're allowed to report kernel bugs
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2906[20:50:21] <jelly> and thermal reporting works with lm_sensors and every monitoring widget instead of nvidia-specific tools only
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2913[20:52:49] <gglasses> thank you for all the info jelly :)
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2915[20:53:08] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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2917[20:53:48] <dury> gessss debian 9.0 already
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2921[20:54:11] <dury> what's the codename?
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2923[20:54:42] <BCMM> dury: Stretch
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2925[20:55:11] <BCMM> dury: (it's had a name for a long time you know, when it was the unstable distro)
2926[20:55:37] <BCMM> uh, testing i mean
2927[20:55:39] <mtn> BCMM: stretch was never the unstable branch
2928[20:55:46] <dury> BCMM, I see didn't know that
2929[20:55:54] <BCMM> mtn: yeah i garbled sorry
2930[20:56:26] <dury> so isit already stable
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2932[20:56:55] <BCMM> dury: yeah, debian 9 (Stretch) is the current stable distro, released last week
2933[20:56:56] <dury> I mean is it already stable?
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2935[20:57:11] <dury> all right
2936[20:57:14] <BCMM> dury: i'm just saying that it has had the codename since long before it was stable
2937[20:57:31] <dury> sorry to repeat
2938[20:58:22] * jelly points at the topic, above
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2940[20:58:41] <dury> so jessie has support for how long?
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2943[20:59:15] <jelly> one year from now normal support. LTS likely for the remainder of the 5 year life
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2945[21:00:14] <dury> jelly, how do I know if mine is LTS or not?
2946[21:00:17] <dontknow> one year from now? isn't it 3 years?
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2949[21:01:42] <jelly> dontknow: one year from when it becomes oldstable
2950[21:01:50] <dontknow> ah
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2952[21:02:34] <jelly> dury: it will automatically become LTS if you do not upgrade in a year
2953[21:02:57] <jelly> by then some packages will lose security support
2954[21:03:01] <jelly> !lts
2955[21:03:01] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see replaced-url
2956[21:03:11] <dury> jelly, right I see
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2963[21:05:56] <dury> !lts
2964[21:05:56] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see replaced-url
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2972[21:07:37] <dury> bbl
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2974[21:08:07] <dury> thanks for support :-)
2975[21:08:16] <dury> (y)
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2999[21:22:03] <nvz> ok now nodm is failing to start saying permission denied to /home/user/.xsession when it is -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 23 Jun 25 10:36 .xsession
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3001[21:22:53] <nvz> which has me thouroghly confused
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3004[21:23:04] <nvz> thoroughly even
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3007[21:23:46] * nvz double checks for spelling errors after that
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3011[21:24:52] <nvz> O.o
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3014[21:27:40] <nvz> well wtf.. heh. i changed it to /etc/X11/Xsession and it works
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3019[21:28:46] <nvz> there is no way that file wasnt readable it is readable by anyone as is proof by the fact that its now starting the apps listed in it
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3040[21:39:28] <osman> hi
3041[21:39:39] <osman> which version of debian based distro is the most stable ?
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3043[21:39:49] <mtn> osman: debian
3044[21:40:15] <osman> i'm using voyager right now
3045[21:40:33] <osman> i tried many distros from linux watch. but debian couldn't recognize my drivers so i got problems :(
3046[21:40:33] <mtn> osman: not supported here
3047[21:40:47] <osman> yeah i know ofc only debian is here ^^
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3049[21:40:55] <n4dir> besides that there are so many of debian-based distros, that you will hardly find someone being able to compare all of them.
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3051[21:41:10] <osman> so you mean just pure debian is the most stable am i right ?
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3053[21:42:14] <osman> can i make this in debian ? please answer replaced-url
3054[21:42:54] <osman> i just need this dock. conky and upper window and i don't know how to fix or edit theese like that
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3065[21:45:33] <osman> any answers please.. ?
3066[21:45:41] <osman> can i make debian like this replaced-url
3067[21:45:45] <n4dir> conky probably has a config file, either in the users home or in /etc or somewhere else (/usr/share). Just try to copy the file
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3070[21:45:58] <osman> yeah...
3071[21:45:58] <n4dir> I don't know the dock. cairo or such?
3072[21:46:07] <osman> how can i know the dock name ?
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3074[21:46:12] <osman> from processess ?
3075[21:46:18] <n4dir> that's would i would do.
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3078[21:46:57] <osman> i couldn't find it
3079[21:47:03] <osman> how can i know what is my dock
3080[21:47:12] <osman> i can copy the conky codes i got it !
3081[21:47:22] <n4dir> whew. good.
3082[21:47:26] <osman> i would like to use debian but it's ugly
3083[21:47:28] <osman> out of box
3084[21:47:33] <osman> am i'm not pro :(
3085[21:47:43] <n4dir> why not stick to voyager ?
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3088[21:48:33] <n4dir> if it works well for you, of course.
3089[21:48:37] <osman> it looks beautiful
3090[21:48:46] <osman> i love voyager so much i tried deepin
3091[21:48:57] <osman> it's debian based distro but sucks
3092[21:49:07] <osman> oh voyager has also debian based versiyon
3093[21:49:13] <osman> i'm using xubuntu version
3094[21:49:26] <osman> should i use voyager debian v9 version or just pure debian ?
3095[21:49:59] <n4dir> hmmm ... is it possible the dock is simply the xfce4-panel ? Right click and check.
3096[21:50:11] <osman> yeah
3097[21:50:13] <osman> xface4-panel
3098[21:50:17] <osman> i saw it on task manager
3099[21:50:17] <n4dir> ok.
3100[21:50:20] <osman> xface4-panel and conky
3101[21:50:27] <osman> can i make it in debian ?
3102[21:51:08] <n4dir> you (probably) can install debian and make it look similar, or at least better than it looks out of box. You can't convert a distro to debian that easily
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3104[21:51:28] <osman> really !!
3105[21:51:36] <osman> i love u
3106[21:51:48] <osman> man help me pls. what is your e-mail ?
3107[21:51:51] <osman> mine is bustyrulez@gmail.com
3108[21:52:07] <osman> i'm not so newbie but not so pro
3109[21:52:24] <n4dir> either ask here or in a debian forum (forums.debian.net)
3110[21:52:27] <osman> i can understan terminal codes and i know what i have to do if you tell me :p
3111[21:52:36] <osman> but i can't find u maybe :-((
3112[21:52:52] <BluesKaj> osman, publishing your email in here is inviting trouble..you should have pm'd him
3113[21:53:00] <osman> ohh sorry :(
3114[21:53:09] <n4dir> find the according config files in the users home /home/username, copy them. Might be you also have to install according packages like icons and such
3115[21:53:22] <osman> hmm really
3116[21:53:29] <osman> will it work ? O.o
3117[21:53:49] <BluesKaj> osman, man i mean email spams
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3119[21:54:05] <osman> i understand BluesKaj sorry pardon me :(
3120[21:54:22] <osman> can you make fullscreen firefox in debian ? i just want intellihide dock and top
3121[21:54:32] <BluesKaj> don't be sorry, just be careful next time
3122[21:54:53] <n4dir> iirc in xfce you can right-click and configure how the panel(s) behave.
3123[21:54:59] <osman> yeah yeah okay
3124[21:55:07] <osman> in debian can i control panel ?
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3126[21:56:12] <n4dir> osman: it has not really something to do with the linux-distribution, but with the Desktop-Environment or WindowManager (or in this case: the panel) you use
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3129[21:56:33] <osman> yuppey
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3131[21:56:40] <osman> so last question i dont want bother you guys
3132[21:56:53] <n4dir> for example you could use xfce but not the xfce-panel but a different one (for whatever reason is beyond me, but it is possible)
3133[21:56:55] <osman> should i install voyager debian version. or just debian. is there any stable differencies ?
3134[21:57:18] <osman> oohhh i see. if i'm using kde version but i could install gnome softwares too
3135[21:57:19] <osman> ?
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3137[21:57:29] <n4dir> i for one don't know, as i don't know voyager, but debian itself seems like a safe bet, regarding stability
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3139[21:57:51] <n4dir> osman: you can. the question is rather if it makes sense.
3140[21:57:56] <osman> i jst wonder if any distro mean based debian. it isn't debian actually ?
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3144[21:58:47] <mint> hi
3145[21:59:12] <osman> i will try to go with pure debian. if i can't make it :( but i believe myself i will make it.
3146[21:59:17] <osman> thanks for your help everone
3147[21:59:21] <osman> have a nice nights
3148[21:59:25] <mint> why command ifconfig dont work in my debian 9?
3149[21:59:33] <n4dir> osman: the default answer is that a distro based on debian made changes debian folks know nothing about. So we can't say much about it.
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3151[21:59:39] <mabynogy> I would prefer a genuine debian over something like ubuntu I don't see the point
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3154[22:00:40] <mint> whats packet work with Intelbras WBN 240?
3155[22:00:43] <osman> i see
3156[22:00:44] <mint> I need wireless
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3177[22:14:38] <ShiroNeko> hi, I've upgraded from jessie to stretch today. everythi is fine so far, but xrdp. if i try to connect i get "some error" via any-vnc and a blank screen if i use xorg
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3182[22:15:48] <ShiroNeko> how should i setup xrdp on stretch?
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3187[22:17:25] <Delf> What happened to this? replaced-url
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3189[22:17:46] <remo1> libmysqlclient.so.18 where can I fined this library in stretch ?
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3191[22:19:40] <kneekoo> hey, everyone! I updated my microcode using Intel's .tgz with echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/microcode/reload
3192[22:19:50] <kneekoo> but after I rebooted, the old microcode seems to be back
3193[22:20:00] <kneekoo> how can I make it permanent?
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3204[22:25:37] <kneekoo> brb
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3215[22:28:00] <rrooij> Hello, I have a question regarding packaging a Python application for Debian users. Can I ask my question here?
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3217[22:28:48] <ewew> Hi. Does anyone know if there is a replacement for certtool on debian ?
3218[22:30:02] <nvz> most my used memory right now is at-spi, gvfsd,and udiskd stuff i think i can manage getting rid of the first two but how do i lose udiskd?
3219[22:30:07] <likcoras> ewew: certtol, the gnutls utility?
3220[22:30:11] <ewew> yes.
3221[22:30:21] <likcoras> gnutls-bin has it. you could also probably use openssl too.
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3223[22:30:35] <ewew> is openssl a good replacement ?
3224[22:31:11] <likcoras> Not an expert, you'd probably have to look around a bit more, but I do see openssl being recommended more often than gnutls.
3225[22:31:40] <ewew> just to get options right. i need this for rsyslog.
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3227[22:32:20] <ewew> if it uses normal cert then it really does not matter where its created ?
3228[22:33:02] <likcoras> Eh, yeah, it probably wouldn't matter.
3229[22:33:15] <likcoras> I personally find certtool easier to use, though.
3230[22:33:29] <likcoras> No idea security-wise, though.
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3236[22:35:31] <ShiroNeko> Im having the following issue export LOGNAME=$USER
3237[22:35:56] <ShiroNeko> (1832)(140340597431104)[DEBUG] Closed socket 23 (AF_UNIX)
3238[22:36:04] <ShiroNeko> xrdp is having just a blue screen
3239[22:37:34] <AlexLikeRock> help
3240[22:37:35] <AlexLikeRock> .
3241[22:37:40] <AlexLikeRock> W: GPG error: replaced-url
3242[22:37:40] <AlexLikeRock> E: The repository 'replaced-url
3243[22:37:45] <AlexLikeRock> .
3244[22:39:07] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: tried apt-get install debian-archive-keyring ?
3245[22:39:20] <AlexLikeRock> tanks
3246[22:39:38] <AlexLikeRock> i realy do, by manual download
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3248[22:40:27] <AlexLikeRock> fall again
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3250[22:40:31] <AlexLikeRock> E: The repository 'replaced-url
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3252[22:41:12] <teraflops> you have to apt-get update after installing debian-archive-keyring
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3268[22:47:23] <kneekoo> again, I tried to re-apply the microcode and it gets updated, but after reboot it reverts to the old version (0x9e): replaced-url
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3271[22:47:51] <tw> If I am running an amd64 kernel with an i386 userspace and I dpkg --add-architecture amd64, is it going to reinstall all of my packages as amd64?
3272[22:47:56] <AlexLikeRock> i did teraflops
3273[22:48:14] <AlexLikeRock> haaa. wait
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3281[22:50:18] <velix> On my DELL server, bnx2 firmware is missing. Do I need it for working network ?
3282[22:50:18] * teraflops waits
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3286[22:51:25] <velix> Anyone with an idea? You don't need to explain anything.
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3289[22:52:10] <GNU\colossus> velix, is that broadcom ethernet?
3290[22:52:18] <velix> GNU\colossus: yes
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3293[22:52:54] <GNU\colossus> if so, you're probably gonna be fine without it - never have a bcm ethernet adapter actually _require_ firmware to work (i. e. get a link up)
3294[22:53:15] <velix> GNU\colossus: I see. Then I don't have a clue, why I can't connect to the network.
3295[22:53:23] <AlexLikeRock> teraflops, still faling
3296[22:53:24] <velix> Let me try to install it. Perhaps it works then.
3297[22:53:36] <Tewi> Hi, how can I ask for a Apache fix backported to be included in the current version of the Debian package ? (if it's even possile). I know which revision it is in Apache SVN, and I know which package need to be changed.
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3340[23:12:03] <TomG2> tw, no, i don't think so
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3342[23:12:34] <TomG2> tw, check replaced-url
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3347[23:14:18] <Voldenet> dontknow: it's nice to know about that, but it's very impactful, I'm successfully using skylake for a few years now and I have never seen anything odd
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3386[23:35:02] <dvs> Ah! Finally finished upgraded all the computers to stretch.
3387[23:35:37] <gglasses> Hey! I am trying to copy a debian .iso image to a usb, this is the command I am using: cp debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-gnome.iso /dev/sdb -> but it gives me permission errors. Should I try it as a root user?
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3391[23:36:27] <dvs> gglasses, a) you should do that as root and b) type "sync" afterwards.
3392[23:36:48] <ewew> Does anyone use relp rsyslog with ssl certs ?
3393[23:37:13] <gglasses> dvs: oh, it asks me if I want to overwrite /deb/sdb
3394[23:37:16] <gglasses> thank you
3395[23:37:25] <dvs> np
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3406[23:41:44] <gglasses> it took a while dvs but it seems ok now :D ok, I am going to go boot to it and see what happens. :D
3407[23:41:47] <gglasses> See you guys from Debian ;)
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