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• 7[00:01:05] <qman__> bdax: how precisely to do all of those depends on the type of partitions and whether you use LVM or anything else
• 8[00:01:12] <qman__> but that's a general overview
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• 22[00:04:58] * RoyK finds not using lvm is somewhat stupid, like voting for trump
• 23[00:05:17] <bdax> qman__: okay I'll bear that in mind. The partition before is ext3 (there are more before that), the swap is "linux-swap" (if there's another type) and there's no lvm. either way though, I'll do some research
• 24[00:05:38] <bdax> why's that RoyK, out of interest?
• 25[00:05:42] <qman__> ok, that makes it pretty simple but also a little risky
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• 27[00:05:57] <bdax> does lvm play well with windows partitions?
• 28[00:06:14] <qman__> the key there is that in order to resize the ext3 partition, you will have to delete it with fdisk/gdisk/gparted (insert preferred tool here) and then recreate it with the same start point
• 29[00:06:50] <qman__> it's not that hard but is kind of scary if you haven't done it before
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• 32[00:07:20] <qman__> once that's done you can do resize2fs (online even)
• 33[00:08:00] <qman__> personally I'm not a big fan of LVM, so I only use it when I need its features
• 34[00:08:15] <bdax> qman__: oh really? I thought gparted could resize ext3 without needing to mess with the data?
• 35[00:08:15] <qman__> I generally stick to MBR partitions when I have no need for anything more
• 36[00:08:40] <bdax> if the ext3 needs to be deleted I probably won't bother
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• 38[00:08:45] <qman__> bdax: gparted's resize feature just does what I explained for you in series
• 39[00:08:50] <qman__> the filesystem never gets deleted
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• 41[00:09:01] <qman__> the partition does, but then you create a new one in the same place, so the data is still there
• 42[00:09:13] <bdax> that's some black magic there
• 43[00:09:37] <qman__> if you use gparted it does the hard work for you
• 44[00:09:51] <qman__> the catch is that it can't do it while mounted, so if it's your root fs you'll have to boot a live environment
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• 47[00:10:30] <bdax> ah okay, nah it's not the root. I suppose with a backup it sounds feasible
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• 51[00:10:45] <qman__> I do recommend backups, but this particular resize operation is very safe
• 52[00:10:55] <qman__> you're not actually sliding anything around
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• 56[00:12:25] <bdax> yeah I've been bitten by that one before, so I know not to slide them around generally speaking
• 57[00:12:29] <bdax> thanks for help qman__
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• 61[00:14:09] <tokfefe> hi. need help.. i want to remove the shortcut of super(or windows key)+ space, how can I do that? This key switching language.
• 62[00:14:39] <bdax> tokfefe: what's your desktop environment?
• 63[00:14:44] <tokfefe> XFCE
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• 69[00:15:47] <bdax> tokfefe: replaced-url
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• 75[00:18:15] <Phrk_> hi is there a bug with the new kernel ?
• 76[00:19:04] <Phrk_> i mean he doesnt want to upgrade, and if i install it with apt-get install i have now 2 4.9 kernel
• 77[00:19:18] <tokfefe> bdax: mine is super + space and not ALT key
• 78[00:19:34] <tokfefe> bdax: you are wrongand misleading
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• 80[00:20:39] <bdax> tokfefe: well if it's a global shortcut handled by xfce then it will be listed there. otherwise you need to describe your setup in more detail
• 81[00:20:43] <RoyK> Phrk_: 4.9.x-y usually, where x is the kernel patch level and y is the distro patch level
• 82[00:21:36] <annadane> Phrk_, 1) are you on stable 2) is this a vps?
• 83[00:21:37] <awal1> tokfefe, in system settings you have a section for keyboard shortcuts. delete it there or change it
• 84[00:21:37] <RoyK> Phrk_: as in major.minor.patch-distropatch
• 85[00:21:46] <Phrk_> okay RoyK because i had "The following packages have been kept back" linux-amd64
• 86[00:21:50] <awal1> so easy
• 87[00:21:58] <Phrk_> annadane, stable, dedicated
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• 89[00:22:06] <binary106> hi dont suppose anyone has some time this evening to help me fix a sudden speed issue with apache 2.4 and php7.0?
• 90[00:22:10] <RoyK> Phrk_: run virt-what
• 91[00:22:22] <tokfefe> awal1: how it's called?
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• 93[00:22:31] <annadane> Phrk_, you might want to post your complete output to paste.debian.net
• 94[00:22:57] <awal1> i no remember , not using xfce now
• 95[00:23:03] <RoyK> !pastebin
• 96[00:23:03] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 97[00:23:09] <Phrk_> this is the full output error
• 98[00:23:13] <bdax> binary106: it's best just to describe the problem and see if someone knows
• 99[00:23:17] <awal1> check docs via help
• 100[00:23:24] <Phrk_> i tried apt-get install linux-amd64 and now it's installed
• 101[00:23:29] <Phrk_> but i'm scared to reboot
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• 104[00:24:02] <tokfefe> awal1: i can't find it
• 105[00:24:07] <binary106> bdax: it gets quite involved, it's not exactly an error code.. but my 1gb vps was running fine for ages until suddenly it's taking 2 mins to respond to a very simple .php request
• 106[00:24:12] <RoyK> Phrk_: is the machine local?
• 107[00:24:16] <Phrk_> RoyK, i don't have virt-what
• 108[00:24:19] <RoyK> Phrk_: or do you have remote console to it?
• 109[00:24:25] <Phrk_> ssh
• 110[00:24:26] <RoyK> Phrk_: well, install it
• 111[00:24:32] <RoyK> Phrk_: that's not a console
• 112[00:24:34] <Phrk_> no local
• 113[00:24:41] <tokfefe> bdax: that's my setup: replaced-url
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• 117[00:24:57] <RoyK> Phrk_: no local or not local?
• 118[00:25:02] <bdax> tokfefe: if super+space isn't listed there it's not xfce, it's another program you've installed. what happens when you press super+space?
• 119[00:25:03] <Phrk_> not local
• 120[00:25:06] <bdax> and that image doesn't help much
• 121[00:25:15] <tokfefe> bdax: it's switching language
• 122[00:25:24] <Phrk_> do you think it's safe to reboot ?
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• 124[00:25:45] <RoyK> Phrk_: and no IPMI/iDRAC/iLO or anything like that?
• 125[00:25:46] <tokfefe> bdax: i wrote it in the beginning (without to offense)
• 126[00:26:01] <Phrk_> what's that ?
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• 129[00:26:32] <RoyK> Phrk_: to remotely connect to the machine to power it off and on or connect to the console even if its in single
• 130[00:26:51] <Phrk_> well i can power off or on remotly but nothing more
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• 132[00:27:05] <RoyK> Phrk_: what sort of machine is this?
• 133[00:27:13] <Phrk_> xeon
• 134[00:27:19] <Phrk_> intel stuff
• 135[00:27:21] <RoyK> not the cpu
• 136[00:27:24] <RoyK> the motherboard
• 137[00:27:36] <Phrk_> intel motherboard
• 138[00:27:42] <RoyK> lshw should tell
• 139[00:27:55] <RoyK> and most server hardware with xeons should have IPMI etc
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• 141[00:28:03] <tokfefe> I tried using lsof but it's exiting fast
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• 144[00:28:56] <bdax> tokfefe: try looking in Settings Manager > Keyboard Preferences > Shortcuts.
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• 147[00:29:51] <Phrk_> RoyK, is there a grep "motherboard" ?
• 148[00:30:02] <Phrk_> but why do you want to know the mb ?
• 149[00:30:04] <tokfefe> bdax: i did.. are you trolling me?
• 150[00:30:25] <tokfefe> with no offense :) awal1 said it already
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• 152[00:31:24] <bdax> tokfefe: I missed awal1's message
• 153[00:31:41] <tokfefe> np
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• 155[00:32:31] <awal1> Keyboard shortcuts may be defined in two places: Settings > Window Manager > Keyboard, and Settings > Keyboard > Shortcuts.
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• 167[00:35:06] <bdax> can panel items define shortcuts without listing them in one of those places? there is a keyboard layouts panel item
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• 172[00:35:59] <tokfefe> bdax: are you asking who?
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• 174[00:36:20] <bdax> tokfefe: whoever cares to find that shortcut
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• 176[00:36:41] <tokfefe> bdax: i found the command xfconf-query but idk how to use it
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• 179[00:38:54] <bdax> do you have a keyboard switching icon on your panel?
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• 183[00:39:52] <awal1> if yes, edit
• 184[00:40:17] <tokfefe> yes
• 185[00:40:24] <tokfefe> i cant find shortcut name <super>space
• 186[00:40:37] <bdax> what shortcut does its preferences list?
• 187[00:41:02] <tokfefe> can you rephrase it?
• 188[00:41:21] <bdax> tokfefe: go into its preferences, it has a shortcut options. what is it set to?
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• 192[00:42:35] <tokfefe> what
• 193[00:43:36] <tokfefe> what preferences?
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• 197[00:45:14] <awal1> tokfefe, you seem to be like a lazy boy :P
• 198[00:45:30] <bdax> the keyboard switching icon, right-click it, go into it's preferences. I'm not on xfce at the moment so I can't describe exactly how to do it. Poke around
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• 200[00:45:48] <awal1> preferences of your eventual plugin preferences (panel icon)
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• 205[00:47:07] <tokfefe> awal1: im not.. he offer help on problem but he dont understand it... (no offense) and there is no preferences. only Bheavior/Application Shortcuts/Layout
• 206[00:47:41] <tokfefe> And there is a thing called Settings Editor and Iooked on all tabs and couldn't find <Super>Space
• 207[00:47:51] <bdax> tokfefe: you need to work on your question-asking etiquette
• 208[00:47:54] <tokfefe> so i dont really know where to look for
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• 213[00:48:38] <bdax> tokfefe: what I'm saying is is that keyboard switching icon is the most likely culprit. You need to go into its preferences
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• 215[00:49:24] <awal1> tokfefe, well, he is trying to help, you know... voluntary ...
• 216[00:49:28] <tokfefe> bdax: i dont know where is keyboard switching icon
• 217[00:50:03] <tokfefe> bdax: that is what i have replaced-url
• 218[00:51:01] <bdax> tokfefe: when I asked if you have a keyboard switching icon on your panel, you said yes. The panel is where your open windows and taskbar is listed, usually at the top of the screen
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• 221[00:52:34] <tokfefe> Do you mean Input method (I have two of them)
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• 224[00:53:21] <tokfefe> oh i found it
• 225[00:53:24] <tokfefe> i understand you
• 226[00:53:35] <tokfefe> so i have Manage Layout set to Per application
• 227[00:54:21] <bdax> what does the second option say?
• 228[00:54:32] <tokfefe> What second option?
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• 231[00:55:17] <tokfefe> I understood you. the keyboard layouts on taskbar and i right click: Properties, About, Move, Keyboard settings, Remove and Panel
• 232[00:55:31] <tokfefe> That's keyboar layouts plugin
• 233[00:55:42] <tokfefe> awal1: you was right
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• 238[00:59:11] <awal1> I'm always right :P
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• 243[01:00:06] <tokfefe> bdax: is that what you mean?
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• 247[01:02:14] <bdax> tokfefe: I'm saying: you see that window where it had the 'Manage layout" option? Look at the second option, the one labelled 'Change layout option'. Its dropdown has a list of keyboard shortcuts
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• 249[01:02:44] <tokfefe> on keyboard shortcuts on settings. i was there and i didn't find <super>Space
• 250[01:02:57] <bdax> mate seriously
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• 252[01:03:03] <tokfefe> what
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• 254[01:03:05] <bdax> I'm feeding a troll?
• 255[01:03:36] <bdax> reread my previous sentences if not
• 256[01:03:38] <tokfefe> Settings -> Keyboard -> Applications Shortcuts ?
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• 258[01:04:41] <tokfefe> oh i see
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• 260[01:04:45] <tokfefe> the change layout otion
• 261[01:04:47] <tokfefe> option*
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• 264[01:04:53] <tokfefe> what about it? It's set to scroll lock
• 265[01:05:19] <bdax> alright well good luck with finding it
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• 269[01:06:27] <tokfefe> bdax: i found it
• 270[01:06:36] <tokfefe> I found "Change Layout option"
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• 272[01:08:02] <bdax> yeah, you said it's set to 'scroll lock', which isn't super+space. You've looked in the three places I would expect it to be and haven't found it, and so I can't help you
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• 274[01:09:02] <tokfefe> the fuck lol
• 275[01:09:13] <tokfefe> so whhy did you say that "[02:05] <bdax> alright well good luck with finding it"
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• 278[01:09:39] <bdax> tokfefe: is english your first language?
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• 287[01:11:19] <goiken-> think I’m running into this bug, when adding ppa’s replaced-url
• 288[01:11:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 291[01:12:04] <somiaj> goiken-: on really shouldn't be adding ppa's to their debian system.
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• 293[01:12:08] <somiaj> s/on/one/
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• 295[01:12:23] <somiaj> but you may have to manually download the key and add it via apt-key
• 296[01:12:39] <tokfefe> somiaj: can you help?
• 297[01:12:42] <f-a> hello, I need to install skype. Is this possile on a i386 machine?
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• 299[01:13:04] <tokfefe> skype is bad program.. microsoft is spying on users. better not
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• 301[01:13:23] <goiken-> somiaj what else is suggested then?
• 302[01:13:47] <f-a> tokfefe: for sure it is. I unfortunately need it for work interview
• 303[01:14:08] <somiaj> goiken-: replaced-url
• 304[01:14:17] <tokfefe> maybe you can try web.skype.com ?
• 305[01:14:27] <awal1> check skype web, f-a
• 306[01:14:37] <tokfefe> that is the web application.. i didnt try skype on linu cause fuck skype
• 307[01:14:41] <tokfefe> awal1: i said first
• 308[01:14:43] <somiaj> there is a new skype deb out there that might work too, skype finally updated the packages they built for linux
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• 311[01:15:17] <f-a> awal1: unfortunately it seems to need a dodgy skype plugin?
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• 314[01:15:31] <f-a> (to make calls)
• 315[01:15:52] <f-a> somiaj: got any link?
• 316[01:15:56] <awal1> tokfefe, #debian-xfce you may get help
• 317[01:16:09] <somiaj> f-a: you can download it from skype's webpage
• 318[01:16:11] <tokfefe> awal1: about what?
• 319[01:16:16] <tokfefe> f-a: replaced-url
• 320[01:16:28] <tokfefe> probably it work?
• 321[01:16:30] <awal1> f-n, maybe, i no use skype
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• 324[01:17:00] <bdax> that's for ubuntu
• 325[01:17:04] <awal1> tokfefe, your shortcut
• 326[01:17:13] <tokfefe> awal1: no one is responding me
• 327[01:17:26] <somiaj> I think they have one for debian or one that works on debian. Helped someone get it to work the other day
• 328[01:17:27] <tokfefe> bdax: so what... i see you have good knowledge :)
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• 330[01:18:01] <bdax> tokfefe: you see clearly. debian is not ubuntu, their packages are not always compatible
• 331[01:18:21] <tokfefe> bdax: why not to try? it might work
• 332[01:18:26] <tokfefe> !help
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• 335[01:19:14] <f-a> tokfefe: thanks , but according to debian wiki "if you use Skype 4.3 or older you will not be able to log-in Skype"
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• 337[01:19:24] <geard> debian isn't ubuntu? I thought Debian was based off Ubuntu
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• 339[01:19:31] <bdax> tokfefe: replaced-url
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• 342[01:19:42] <somiaj> bdax: in this case it is not ubuntu but skype making a .deb that works for various .distros. Just goto skype.com and download the .deb from there. They just call it for deb based distros, not for ubuntu.
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• 345[01:20:08] <somiaj> geard: other way around, but ubuntu has been its own thing for quite a while. Its core is quite different, ghouth it uses a lot of the debian packages for none core stuff
• 346[01:20:11] <tokfefe> f-a: why do you run i386 machine?
• 347[01:20:29] <tokfefe> bdax: yes what about it?
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• 349[01:20:38] <geard> somiaj: i was just fluffing around.
• 350[01:20:39] <f-a> tokfefe: lirebooted x60s
• 351[01:20:58] <tokfefe> f-a: i dont know what it is
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• 353[01:22:02] <tokfefe> well it seems you probably didn't try skype web app and some people disagree with my solutions so i will just ... good luck :)
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• 355[01:22:13] <f-a> tokfefe: replaced-url
• 356[01:22:17] <f-a> tl;dr: Libreboot is a free (libre) BIOS/UEFI replacement
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• 358[01:22:30] <f-a> tokfefe: i did try skype web app
• 359[01:23:03] <tokfefe> and what is the problem with it?
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• 361[01:23:34] <f-a> you need some plugin to make calls, this plugin does not work on linux
• 362[01:23:46] <f-a> The Skype web plugin is not supported on Windows RT, Linux and Chromebooks.
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• 364[01:24:33] <tokfefe> im sorry but cant really help.. people just complain about my answers..
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• 366[01:24:41] <f-a> no worries
• 367[01:24:48] <bdax> somiaj: I don't think that link was intended for 'deb based systems' though, that link is replaced-url
• 368[01:25:00] <bdax> the link tokfefe gave seems specifically for ubuntu32
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• 371[01:26:54] <tokfefe> bdax: did you try to open the link you gave him?
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• 373[01:27:44] <bdax> actually replaced-url
• 374[01:27:47] <bdax> yes tokfefe
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• 377[01:28:07] <f-a> bdax: so I guess that means it's 64 only?
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• 380[01:29:12] <bdax> f-a: unless that last one I posted directs you to 32-bit (it might redirect you depending on your system, so we might see different downloads). if not then it seems so
• 381[01:29:55] <f-a> argh. thanks bdax
• 382[01:30:06] <tokfefe> f-a: you get 32 bit binary?
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• 385[01:30:44] <bdax> np
• 386[01:30:59] <f-a> tokfefe: i get 64, unfortunatly
• 387[01:31:08] <f-a> skypeforlinux64.deb
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• 391[01:32:34] <bdax> f-a: maybe try: replaced-url
• 392[01:33:05] <f-a> uhh that looks interesting
• 393[01:33:07] <f-a> thanks bdax
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• 400[01:39:31] <juon> Hi
• 401[01:39:32] <goiken-> somiaj so everytime I run apt-get upgrade after that, the package will be rebuilt?
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• 403[01:40:05] <somiaj> goiken-: no, you will have to manually build it each time.
• 404[01:40:20] <juon> I want to find a packge name using the name of the packge in Ubuntu, the names are differente, I want to find using another name, its possible ?
• 405[01:40:26] <goiken-> then what’s the point of using a packet manager fot it at all?
• 406[01:40:46] <somiaj> goiken-: now I don't know what package you are trying to use. Sometimes you don't need to build your own, but this is the only way to ensure the package depends on the debian version of the libs and not the ubuntu version. The package is usually not the issue, the shared libaries are.
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• 409[01:41:32] <somiaj> goiken-: installing packages not built for your version of debian can break apt due to dependency issues or it can break other pass if you start installing libs from ubuntu that other debian software is not compadable with.
• 410[01:41:41] <somiaj> complining it against debian's libs are a way to ensure this won't happen.
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• 412[01:42:19] <somiaj> so blanket advise here is do not install software from a ppa unless you really know what you are doing
• 413[01:42:35] <somiaj> and even then you don't get support for that, and you can't file good bug reports.
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• 415[01:43:19] <bdax> juon: I don't think that's possible. I would use apt-file. It searches for packages by looking through their content
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• 417[01:44:25] <juon> I want to find this dependences on Debian, bdax, look
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• 420[01:44:45] <juon> replaced-url
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• 422[01:45:42] <juon> Build this replaced-url
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• 428[01:52:10] <bdax> juon: well, you may find an easier way listed in this post: replaced-url
• 429[01:55:56] <juon> bdax, thank you so much
• 430[01:56:11] <bdax> np
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• 435[01:59:07] <zausel_> Hi! New to Debian. Coming from Lubuntu. When i install packages with apt-get i frequently get errors like this: replaced-url
• 436[01:59:31] <zausel_> i already edited /etc/apt/sources
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• 438[02:00:03] <zausel_> but it didnt work.
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• 441[02:00:16] <bdax> zausel_: sudo apt update ?
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• 444[02:01:00] <zausel_> bdax: throws errors, i ll make a paste..
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• 449[02:01:39] <bdax> zausel_: might be best to also paste your /sources
• 450[02:02:12] <juon> bdax, Dont work that command, I should be try, "apt-cache search that_file_name" ?
• 451[02:02:43] <somiaj> apt-cache won't find files, you need apt-file for that
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• 453[02:02:54] <somiaj> you could try packages.debian.org, it has a file search tool
• 454[02:02:58] <bdax> juon: no apt-cache can only search for package names. you'll need to install apt-file with `sudo apt install apt-file`
• 455[02:03:17] <juon> bdas, ok, somiaj, I will run this command,
• 456[02:03:26] <bdax> somiaj's answer is probably easier
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• 458[02:03:37] <zausel_> bdax: sources is the default atm. paste from apt-get update: replaced-url
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• 460[02:03:46] <somiaj> well apt-cache searches through packages name, short and long description (so will sometimes pick up file names), but if you are search for a file it is not the tool to use.
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• 462[02:06:31] <bdax> zausel_: I think the syntax of your sources file is wrong. here's my /etc/apt/sources.list : replaced-url
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• 467[02:08:32] <bdax> also, p7zip-rar is a non-free package, so you'll need to add ' non-free' to the end of each line to add the ability to install those packages to your system. then run `sudo apt update`
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• 472[02:09:29] <bdax> instead of posting mine I should have posted: replaced-url
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• 484[02:13:42] <zausel_> bdax: you were right! My original sources.list was wrong. now it works :) ty
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• 486[02:14:43] <bdax> zausel_: glad it's working :)
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• 489[02:15:46] <tokfefe> anyone can help me with windows key+space key to remove it to not switch language?
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• 497[02:19:52] <catalyst7> #ballard
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• 499[02:20:39] <tyrese`> hey
• 500[02:20:58] <tokfefe> hi
• 501[02:21:03] <tyrese`> how can I see all the services my server is running and the services that are currently installed
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• 503[02:21:49] <tyrese`> replaced-url
• 504[02:22:04] <tyrese`> i saw that and i recently took over control of a server and want to see if they ever ran NSSS on it
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• 515[02:28:59] <tokfefe> tyrese`: the website is down? replaced-url
• 516[02:29:27] <bdax> tyrese`: sudo service --status-all
• 517[02:29:56] <tokfefe> services and daemons are the same thing?
• 518[02:30:26] <tokfefe> bdax: service is for CentOS/RHEL
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• 521[02:30:51] <bdax> tokfefe: it's on my system and I didn't install it
• 522[02:30:59] <bdax> knowingly anyway
• 523[02:31:11] <tokfefe> i see i have it too... but only for root
• 524[02:31:16] <mutante> you can just skip that and switch to systemctl now
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• 527[02:31:42] <mutante> systemctl -a
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• 530[02:34:48] <tokfefe> :<
• 531[02:35:08] <tokfefe> i want to locate the "<Super>Space" Key or (Windows key + space) but i dont know how
• 532[02:35:29] <phogg> "locate"?
• 533[02:35:42] <tyrese`> ty
• 534[02:35:42] <eck> the space key is normally at the bottom of your keyboard, where your thumbs go
• 535[02:35:44] <eck> hth
• 536[02:35:47] * phogg suggests looking at the keyboard
• 537[02:36:07] <eck> you'll recognize it because it's the longest key on the keyboard
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• 539[02:36:29] <tokfefe> phogg: to find the file(or configuration file) and to not set it to switch language
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• 541[02:36:46] <phogg> I've forgotten how to understand English.
• 542[02:36:50] <phogg> I hate it when that happens.
• 543[02:37:33] <mutante> tries to press Windows key and space bar.. language didn't change.. hmm
• 544[02:37:51] <tokfefe> do you have more language?
• 545[02:38:00] <tokfefe> i tried to use lsof but it exit fast... :<
• 546[02:38:16] <tokfefe> i join #xfce everyday but no response..
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• 550[02:39:32] <mutante> ok.. so the question seems to be "i use xfce and if i press Windows + Spacebar then it somehow switches languages. where can i turn that off?". is that right tokfefe
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• 552[02:39:53] <tokfefe> yes.. thanks.
• 553[02:40:06] <rpifan> I cant get packages to isntall
• 554[02:40:08] <tokfefe> to my defense i try to learn english and get better but no avail
• 555[02:40:32] <rpifan> replaced-url
• 556[02:41:06] <tokfefe> rpifan: what are you trying to install?
• 557[02:41:25] <mutante> tokfefe: Xfce4? Open Settings Manager, Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager .. click keyboard icon .. replaced-url
• 558[02:41:45] <rpifan> replaced-url
• 559[02:41:48] <rpifan> thats
• 560[02:41:56] <tokfefe> mutante: yes i did that.. look replaced-url
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• 562[02:42:01] <mutante> tokfefe: eh, actually "Xfce4 parameters ⟹ window manager settings ⟹ Keyboard tab
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• 564[02:42:30] <mutante> tokfefe: try that other thing.. it seems a different place for editing the shortcuts
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• 568[02:44:04] <rpifan> yea im just trying to install the glusdl
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• 570[02:44:49] <tokfefe> maybe try apt install libegl1-mesa-dev ?
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• 572[02:45:53] <rpifan> libegl1-mesa-dev : Depends: libegl1-mesa (= 13.0.6-1+b2) but 17.1.5-1 is to be installed
• 573[02:45:53] <rpifan> Depends: libwayland-egl1-mesa (= 13.0.6-1+b2) but 17.1.5-1 is to be installed
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• 575[02:46:02] <rpifan> ive had this issue before when i was trying to install something else and i just gave u
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• 577[02:46:33] <bdax> rpifan: please post your /etc/apt/sources.list
• 578[02:46:38] <rpifan> k
• 579[02:46:53] <rpifan> well i have some of those sources in the sub directoy as well
• 580[02:47:31] <tokfefe> rpi the university?
• 581[02:48:07] <bdax> rpifan: best to post them all then
• 582[02:48:17] <rpifan> its not realistic
• 583[02:48:22] <rpifan> what is it yall are looking for in particular
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• 585[02:48:26] <rpifan> i have backports from jessie
• 586[02:48:28] <rpifan> for something else
• 587[02:48:31] <rpifan> im on testing
• 588[02:49:08] <annadane> well, the channel for testing is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 589[02:49:19] <bdax> rpifan: fair enough. I was looking to see if you've mixed up different versions of debian
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• 591[02:50:11] <bdax> and it sounds like you have. this is likely the cause of the problem, and something debian recommends against
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• 597[02:53:04] <tokfefe> mutante: i look on window manager and keyboard settings
• 598[02:53:19] <tokfefe> and i couldn't find much the shortcut key there
• 599[02:54:00] <bdax> rpifan: manually installing the packages it says it won't install may let you continue, but it's perhaps risky to continue with a mixed debian
• 600[02:54:34] <bdax> tokfefe: do you have more than one desktop environment installed?
• 601[02:54:41] <rpifan> well i had this same issue with the stable version
• 602[02:54:45] <tokfefe> bdax: not that i aware of
• 603[02:54:45] <rpifan> can i switch back to stable?
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• 605[02:55:34] <bdax> rpifan: I'd do a backup before I tried
• 606[02:55:57] <rpifan> is there a process?
• 607[02:56:38] <tokfefe> bdax: only XFCE according to $DESKTOP_SESSION
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• 613[02:57:43] <bdax> rpifan: someone else will have to chime in here, I don't know. I expect you just change all your /etc/apt/sources* files to use 'stretch' then update && upgrade && dist-upgrade but I've never tried it
• 614[02:58:24] <rpifan> i would think so as well
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• 616[02:58:30] <rpifan> maybe i should ask the debian next ppl
• 617[02:58:36] <rpifan> all i wanted from next is the new gnome
• 618[02:58:39] <rpifan> but it isnt even in there
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• 622[02:59:02] <bdax> probably best to ask there yeah
• 623[02:59:13] <tokfefe> bdax: i use XFCE
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• 626[02:59:43] <bdax> in the future, stay away from testing if you can, especially don't mix jessie-backports and testing for example
• 627[02:59:58] <bdax> tokfefe: I don't have any more ideas on where it could be
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• 629[03:00:28] <tokfefe> bdax: :<
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• 632[03:00:53] <rpifan> all i want is the latest gnome
• 633[03:00:56] <rpifan> but i couldnt get it
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• 636[03:01:32] <bdax> rpifan: honestly, 'latest' and 'debian' are two words you often get in the same sentence
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• 640[03:02:14] <rpifan> u mean dont
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• 642[03:02:30] <bdax> aren't * yeah
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• 644[03:02:50] <rpifan> yea
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• 646[03:03:00] <rpifan> but this latest gnome update is such a huge deal
• 647[03:03:04] <rpifan> i would hope they had pushed it
• 648[03:03:10] <rpifan> either way
• 649[03:03:14] <rpifan> my system is running
• 650[03:03:17] <rpifan> except for this efi firmware deal
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• 656[03:04:41] <bdax> well, not to flog a dead horse, but keeping your debian mixed will come back to bite you if leave it that way
• 657[03:04:43] <tokfefe> any idea how to make it work without adding -e flag? $ grep -rnw '/' -i '<Super>space'
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• 663[03:05:33] <rpifan> well do i just move it all to backports?
• 664[03:05:38] <bdax> tokfefe: I don't know what you're trying but it won't work
• 665[03:05:53] <tokfefe> bdax: it will work
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• 668[03:06:06] <tokfefe> bdax: according to this: replaced-url
• 669[03:06:21] <tokfefe> grep with -e will search regular expressions
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• 671[03:06:51] <bdax> rpifan: nah, 'stretch' ideally, backports only contains important updates to some packages
• 672[03:07:25] <tokfefe> nvm
• 673[03:07:41] <tokfefe> if anyone know how to disable winkey+space for switching language plz tell me
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• 675[03:08:03] <mutante> tokfefe: how about.. cough.. physically remove the Windows key
• 676[03:08:05] <rant> tokfefe: do you have any idea WHAT is actually doing this/
• 677[03:08:11] <mutante> rant: xfce is
• 678[03:08:14] <bazhang> tokfefe, you can set that in ibus
• 679[03:08:15] <Lyberta> can I set and unset -e flag of bash inside a function?
• 680[03:08:23] <eck> yes
• 681[03:08:29] <rant> mutante: that isn't possible but narrows it down
• 682[03:08:35] <tokfefe> rant: which?
• 683[03:08:43] <rant> xfce is just a name, its not a piece of software
• 684[03:08:48] <tokfefe> it iiiiiiiiiiiiis
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• 686[03:09:06] <rpifan> i dont remember what is it i needed from backprots but i needed it
• 687[03:09:16] <rant> no like all other DEs its a panel, a session manager, a window manager, etc..
• 688[03:09:21] <mutante> well it has a "settings manager" and inside that it has "shortcut" settings for the "keyboard"
• 689[03:09:23] <tokfefe> xfce is weird
• 690[03:09:35] <mutante> and it's called "xfc4 settings manager".. so shrug if that's just a name
• 691[03:09:39] <tokfefe> gnome looks good withdebian..xfce look poor man
• 692[03:09:39] <rant> yes it would most likely be the settings manager
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• 694[03:10:08] <bdax> rant: my feeling was that it was the keyboard switching icon you can add to an xfce panel. but I was having trouble communicating that to tokfefe
• 695[03:10:11] <bdax> I don't know though
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• 698[03:10:36] <mutante> "it's impossible that it's xfce, nothing to do with it.. it's the "xfce settings manager" hehe, ok . FINE :)
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• 700[03:11:42] <rant> tokfefe: what is the result you want, to change this to something else or to disable it altogether?
• 701[03:11:50] <annadane> dpkg: tell rpifan about frankendebian
• 702[03:12:05] <annadane> dpkg: tell rpifan about don't break debian
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• 704[03:12:11] <rant> it would seem that xfce4-xkb-plugin is what provides this ability
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• 708[03:12:51] <bdax> rpifan: jessie was debian 8, testing is debian 10, so jessie-backports is meant for 8. you wouldn't want to use jessie-backports with stretch either. if you need it that much you'll need to switch the whole system back to jessie and use jessie-backports with that
• 709[03:13:14] <rpifan> i see
• 710[03:13:16] <rpifan> oh well
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• 712[03:14:03] <tokfefe> bdax: this? replaced-url
• 713[03:14:17] <bdax> yeah tokfefe
• 714[03:14:17] <rant> tokfefe: xfce4-settings-manager > keyboard shortcuts
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• 716[03:14:27] <annadane> furthermore you need never use backports with testing, that isn't the point
• 717[03:14:55] <tokfefe> rant: as you can see here replaced-url
• 718[03:15:04] <tokfefe> bdax: what about there?
• 719[03:15:13] <rpifan> well i guess i cant do anything
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• 721[03:15:18] <rpifan> and just hope it doesnt break
• 722[03:15:28] <bdax> tokfefe: right click it and look in its preferences
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• 725[03:15:40] <bdax> rpifan: it did break it, that's why you were getting those weird errors
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• 727[03:15:46] <tokfefe> bdax: replaced-url
• 728[03:15:49] <bdax> mixing version numbers does that
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• 730[03:16:36] <tokfefe> bdax: what do i change?
• 731[03:17:29] <tokfefe> there
• 732[03:17:41] <bdax> tokfefe: that's different, I was expecting this: replaced-url
• 733[03:17:53] <tokfefe> ;_;
• 734[03:18:24] <tokfefe> replaced-url
• 735[03:18:28] <x35b35> is it possible to have sources.list utilize the cdrom/dvd instalation media but fall back to the mirrors if a package isnt found on the media? it appears that this doesnt actuall work and one method or the other is required
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• 741[03:19:45] <rpifan> no
• 742[03:19:50] <rpifan> its been like this since day one
• 743[03:19:55] <rpifan> i had the libglu issue
• 744[03:19:58] <bdax> haha, it doesn't matter, it looks those settings are in the other place mentioned anyway tokfefe
• 745[03:19:59] <rpifan> well before the backports
• 746[03:20:00] <rpifan> and everything
• 747[03:20:12] <coruja> x35b35, you want to read about apt preferences
• 748[03:20:35] <tokfefe> bdax: in X config or setxkbmap. any idea how to check it there?
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• 751[03:22:22] <x35b35> awesome ty
• 752[03:22:30] <bdax> tokfefe: nope, no idea, if it's not in one of the two places in xfce's settings then I can't think where it'd be
• 753[03:22:44] <bdax> rpifan: fair enough
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• 755[03:22:52] <tokfefe> X config or setxbmap
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• 757[03:23:16] <tokfefe> apt-cache show xfce4-xkb-plugin and says he plugin itself cannot be used for defining the keyboard layouts one wants to use, this is done the XKB way - either in your X config or by setxkbmap tool.
• 758[03:23:42] <bdax> tokfefe: I don't think setxkbmap handles keyboard shortcuts. it's a manual method
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• 760[03:23:55] <tokfefe> so is it a bug or something?
• 761[03:24:02] <tokfefe> how do i fix it without override it?
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• 764[03:24:48] <brick> let's say i have two machines running the same version of debian, same sources. what is the most correct way to keep the packages installed on both in sync?
• 765[03:25:04] <rpifan> rsync
• 766[03:25:11] <bdax> tokfefe: what its description isn't relevant here, it's talking about specifying available options. you want to disable the shortcut that disables the switching between those options
• 767[03:25:23] <bdax> what its description is saying*
• 768[03:25:37] <tokfefe> my english is bad :<
• 769[03:25:40] <bdax> ah that sentence was a mess
• 770[03:25:49] <bdax> my english was bad there
• 771[03:25:55] <brick> rpifan, what file would be getting moved?
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• 773[03:26:33] <bdax> you're trying to disable the shortcut, tokfefe, which is something different than what that description is saying
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• 779[03:30:01] <rpifan> i figured ud just rsync the whole thing
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• 783[03:31:23] <LtL> 'ud' ?
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• 785[03:32:29] <LtL> that's a new one.
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• 787[03:32:51] <bdax> LtL: english is evolving I suppose
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• 790[03:33:16] <LtL> bdax: in the wrong direction though.
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• 792[03:34:32] <LtL> bdax: many people learn english here, or try. that doesn't do them much good.
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• 801[03:36:02] <tokfefe> hehe ud
• 802[03:36:03] <tokfefe> wtf
• 803[03:36:16] <tokfefe> ppl=people u=you, et cetera
• 804[03:36:27] <bdax> lol
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• 810[03:40:48] <tokfefe> does anyone know how to find out what causing windows key+space to switch language?
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• 815[03:43:15] <phogg> oh... is that what you were asking?
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• 817[03:44:04] <tokfefe> phogg: what?
• 818[03:44:29] <tokfefe> im looking on many way to solve the problem..
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• 821[03:45:07] <dondelelcaro> tokfefe: you mean switch layout?
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• 823[03:45:26] <tokfefe> dondelelcaro: yes
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• 827[03:46:24] <dondelelcaro> tokfefe: that's defined in xkeyboard-config, or whatever your DE is that is setting that for you
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• 829[03:46:59] <dondelelcaro> (specifically, grp:win_space_toggle in this case)
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• 831[03:47:53] <tokfefe> dondelelcaro: replaced-url
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• 833[03:49:25] <tokfefe> dont know where more to look for
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• 835[03:50:49] <tokfefe> FUCK YES I FOUND IT
• 836[03:51:13] <tokfefe> only if i remember that /etc contains configuration file.. go to school kids
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• 838[03:51:48] <tokfefe> now i dont know how to remove it
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• 842[03:52:09] <tokfefe> bdax: i found it ^_^
• 843[03:52:52] <bdax> tokfefe: this calls for some champagne or something
• 844[03:52:57] <bdax> where was it?
• 845[03:53:05] <tokfefe> there: /etc/dconf/db/ibus.d/00-upstream-settings
• 846[03:53:12] <bdax> ha, well done
• 847[03:53:15] <tokfefe> but im not sure if is really is or how to change it
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• 849[03:53:46] <tokfefe> that's part of it replaced-url
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• 852[03:55:46] <tokfefe> can anyone confirm if it's relate to switch language/ switch layout?
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• 854[03:56:52] <bdax> tokfefe: try looking in dconf-editor
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• 856[03:57:01] <tokfefe> i found it
• 857[03:57:05] <tokfefe> replaced-url
• 858[03:57:38] <tokfefe> proof im not time waster replaced-url
• 859[03:58:38] <bdax> well I'm glad you found it, that was certainly buried deep
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• 863[04:00:22] <tokfefe> so happy i solved it.
• 864[04:00:30] <tokfefe> thanks everyone for let me be here. im off
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• 870[04:02:14] <bdax> even found it with grep.. who'd have guessed
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• 904[04:26:23] <Tech_8> whats the most used email for linux is it squirrelmail?
• 905[04:26:33] <Tech_8> what compares to outlook
• 906[04:26:37] <Tech_8> exchange
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• 928[04:38:07] <Lyberta> I'm in bash script and calling bash function like this: DebianFPM_PackageStaticLibrary $CI_PROJECT_NAME "${CI_COMMIT_SHA:0:8}" but get "Bad substitution", how to fix?
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• 930[04:38:40] <brick> does $CI_COMMIT_SHA exist?
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• 932[04:38:49] <jamesx> hi everyone
• 933[04:39:15] <jamesx> where does apt-get usually store its data after you run, "sudo apt-get update" ?
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• 935[04:39:31] <Lyberta> brick, according to this: replaced-url
• 936[04:39:37] <jamesx> I am trying to force apt to download the whole data again
• 937[04:39:55] <jamesx> resetting apt in a way
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• 940[04:40:52] <somiaj> jamesx: just run apt-get update again.
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• 942[04:42:25] <Tech_8> somiaj: hey
• 943[04:42:29] <jamesx> I am on kali actually, and i have been running it for the past three hours, but it is stuck at "0% [Waiting for headers]"
• 944[04:42:37] <somiaj> !kali
• 945[04:42:37] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 946[04:42:40] <brick> Lyberta, i'm guessing that's where the error was thrown. i would try to echo it.
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• 948[04:43:06] <Lyberta> brick, ok
• 949[04:43:07] <Tech_8> somiaj: I want to be able to access my debian server via ssh to confgure, do I have to make it a ssh server to do so?
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• 951[04:43:23] <jamesx> ok thanks
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• 956[04:45:04] <somiaj> Tech_8: yes you have to install the ssh server to access over ssh. Though if you are talking about the installer, you can launch an ssh server for just the install process.
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• 972[04:49:26] <Lyberta> brick, this is very strange: replaced-url
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• 975[04:50:27] <Lyberta> here's the script: replaced-url
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• 982[04:57:16] <a0p> hi all, anyone on debian sid having problems with systemd from last update?
• 983[04:57:53] <a0p> my journalctl is all messed up
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• 985[04:58:13] <annadane> a0p, go ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 987[04:58:38] <a0p> ah here is only for stable?
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• 989[04:58:46] <annadane> yep
• 990[04:58:58] <a0p> oki, didn't know :) thanks!
• 991[04:59:10] <rpifan> source/build/include/sdl_inc.h:63:12: fatal error: SDL_mixer.h: No such file or directory
• 992[04:59:10] <rpifan> # include "SDL_mixer.h"
• 993[04:59:15] <rpifan> but i compiled it from source
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• 995[05:00:06] <mandeep> when i try to upgrade firefox-esr in apt, im getting told that i have unmet dependencies
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• 998[05:00:37] <annadane> !bat
• 999[05:00:38] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1000[05:00:57] <mandeep> replaced-url
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• 1003[05:01:31] <mandeep> replaced-url
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• 1005[05:01:55] <mandeep> sorry for the link spam: replaced-url
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• 1008[05:03:38] <a0p> annaadane: debian-next is invite only channel (?!?!?)....
• 1009[05:03:47] <annadane> a0p, irc.oftc.net, not freenode
• 1010[05:04:13] <a0p> yep on irc.oftc.net
• 1011[05:04:16] <a0p> anyways...
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• 1013[05:04:33] <annadane> it... shouldn't be invite-only on oftc, that's weird
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• 1039[05:24:01] <somiaj> mandeep: you missed apt-cache policy firefox-esr-l10n-be
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• 1051[05:27:02] <mandeep> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 1054[05:28:54] <somiaj> mandeep: that is just some obselete translation you have, remove that package and you should be fine.
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• 1057[05:29:06] <somiaj> that package is not provided by stretch.
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• 1060[05:30:04] <mandeep> i see
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• 1062[05:30:36] <mandeep> are these language packages?
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• 1064[05:31:15] <somiaj> if you upgraded to stretch in the past, sometimes obslsete packages are left around. You can find all them by aptitude search ~o
• 1065[05:31:25] <mandeep> somiaj: yep upgraded from jessie
• 1066[05:31:51] <dvs> to stretch?
• 1067[05:31:55] <mandeep> yeah
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• 1071[05:33:03] <somiaj> the upgrade guide suggests running aptitude search ~o at the end and removing obslete packages (though local or other packages that are not in your sources will be listed there too)
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• 1073[05:33:29] <mandeep> somiaj: thanks ill give it a try
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• 1085[05:44:05] <rpifan> so i think my debian is all kinds of borked, how can i save with ive got and reinstall without losing everything
• 1086[05:44:07] <rpifan> if possible
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• 1091[05:45:05] <annadane> maybe best to show us your sources list first of all
• 1092[05:46:16] <rpifan> why its a huge huge list
• 1093[05:46:22] <rpifan> in different directories
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• 1095[05:47:22] <annadane> well, so we can tell you what potentially needs to be pruned
• 1096[05:47:29] <annadane> just cat /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net
• 1097[05:47:41] <jasonwc> Are you using packages that were built for Ubuntu rather than Debian?
• 1098[05:47:50] <rpifan> well but what about the stuff in the sources.list.d
• 1099[05:47:54] <rpifan> a whole in there too
• 1100[05:48:00] <annadane> post both...
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• 1102[05:48:37] <annadane> i mean, it's really hard to give general advice without seeing the extent of the catastrophe. of course, if you have backups and it's not a huge PITA reinstalling is an option
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• 1105[05:49:48] <jasonwc> It's not recommended to install packages compiled for anything but the specific version of Debian you are running. Most 3rd party sources are actually targeting Ubuntu, and that can cause breakage.
• 1106[05:49:59] <rpifan> ye
• 1107[05:50:06] <rpifan> thats part of the problem ive installed all kinds of stuff
• 1108[05:50:10] <rpifan> from everywhere
• 1109[05:50:16] <jasonwc> Yeah, that's going to break stuff
• 1110[05:50:25] <rpifan> well it works
• 1111[05:50:28] <rpifan> cause i need it obviously lol
• 1112[05:50:39] <jasonwc> I would read this - replaced-url
• 1113[05:50:43] <jasonwc> And re-install :)
• 1114[05:50:48] <annadane> yeah ^
• 1115[05:50:51] <annadane> probably quicker
• 1116[05:51:28] <rpifan> i mean its running
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• 1118[05:51:35] <rpifan> but i guess what do i need to back up exactly
• 1119[05:51:42] <jasonwc> "<rpifan> so i think my debian is all kinds of borked, how can i save with ive got and reinstall without losing everything"
• 1120[05:51:42] <annadane> the files you want to keep
• 1121[05:51:48] <annadane> important documents, photos, whatever
• 1122[05:51:52] <jasonwc> How is it running fine and totally borked?
• 1123[05:52:09] <jasonwc> Did you install to a single partition or do you have separate /home and /?
• 1124[05:52:23] <jasonwc> If you have a separate /home, then it's just a matter of formatting / and leaving /home intact
• 1125[05:52:36] <rpifan> and there in the issue
• 1126[05:52:36] <rpifan> because if i make up the home directory
• 1127[05:52:36] <rpifan> there will be saved stuff in there
• 1128[05:52:36] <rpifan> with config that are probably borked too
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• 1130[05:52:39] <jasonwc> Naturally, you should always have backups - especially before a re-install
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• 1132[05:53:15] <jasonwc> Sounds like you don't know what's broken
• 1133[05:53:37] <rpifan> i mean in general it works fine
• 1134[05:53:38] <rpifan> buttt
• 1135[05:53:46] <rpifan> i know that ill have more problems down the road
• 1136[05:53:52] <rpifan> as ive installed all kinds of loose ends
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• 1141[05:56:04] <jasonwc> well, you can backup your /home partition, and wipe the . files/folders. That should clear out configs
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• 1143[05:56:15] <jasonwc> and you can restore from your backup
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• 1145[05:57:00] <rpifan> hmm
• 1146[05:57:09] <rpifan> is that it
• 1147[05:57:13] <rpifan> in terms of clearing out all configs
• 1148[05:57:19] <rpifan> and extra binaries and random odds and ends
• 1149[05:57:44] <rpifan> the other issue is then if i want to reinstall programs
• 1150[05:57:53] <rpifan> this is one of the few things i do envy os x and android
• 1151[05:57:59] <rpifan> its all easier to backup and restore stuff
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• 1167[06:08:05] <joe_z> I'm having trouble with the GRUB installation step in the latest Debian installer. I have a previous version of grub already installed on the drive that I want to put GRUB on, and it didn't overwrite the old one
• 1168[06:08:18] <joe_z> I just got the old grub screen (sans debian entry) when I rebooted
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• 1170[06:09:29] <joe_z> does the partition where the boot files are located need to be active by chance?
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• 1178[06:14:17] <tesko> was anyone having a glitchy x11 with their desktop?
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• 1198[06:25:32] <mRCUTEO> hi anyone knows how i can setup a folder to have ownership of the folder and can alter the folder even the owner is replaced-url
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• 1206[06:30:26] <rpifan> Initializing sound... failed! SDL Audio: error in OpenAudio.
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• 1208[06:30:32] <rpifan> anyoner got any ideas
• 1209[06:31:02] <annadane> hard to offer advice without a description of what caused that error
• 1210[06:31:16] <rpifan> trying to run eduke3
• 1211[06:31:19] <rpifan> eduke 32
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• 1213[06:33:06] <rpifan> would u like the enire error log
• 1214[06:33:13] <annadane> sure
• 1215[06:33:31] <annadane> always offer as many details as you can when trying to solve tech issues
• 1216[06:33:43] <annadane> though in your case you have a mess of a system so anything could be causing problems
• 1217[06:33:47] <rpifan> yea
• 1218[06:33:48] <rpifan> i know
• 1219[06:33:50] <rpifan> and i should know better
• 1220[06:33:53] <rpifan> im not a noob at all
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• 1222[06:34:15] <rpifan> u have no idea what i had to even install debian on here
• 1223[06:34:38] <rpifan> replaced-url
• 1224[06:35:20] <Tanzstelle> is jessie still safe to use? if yes, for how much longer will jessie be safe to use?
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• 1231[06:37:36] <joe_z> it seems that manual attempts at installing GRUB2 are failing as well
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• 1234[06:38:05] <joe_z> grub-install reports lots of device nodes not found and some fopens failed
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• 1236[06:38:23] <joe_z> oh, but it reports 'Installation finished. No error reported.'
• 1237[06:38:24] <annadane> Tanzstelle, jessie is still supported across the board until june 2020 and then there's LTS support for security updates
• 1238[06:38:57] <Tanzstelle> annadane: thank you
• 1239[06:39:24] <rpifan> r u on an efi system joe_z
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• 1241[06:39:45] <joe_z> nope, BIOS system rpifan
• 1242[06:39:55] <joe_z> actually, I think it might have installed
• 1243[06:39:57] <annadane> Tanzstelle, sorry, i meant june 2018
• 1244[06:40:12] <joe_z> I see more files in /boot/grub than I was seeing before, I think
• 1245[06:40:12] <annadane> LTS is until 2020 i think
• 1246[06:40:18] * joe_z is going to try it out now
• 1247[06:40:28] <annadane> i would need to actually look it up
• 1248[06:40:30] <rpifan> oh ok
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• 1251[06:41:09] <annadane> Tanzstelle, replaced-url
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• 1254[06:42:33] <joe_z> well, at least grub comes up now
• 1255[06:42:44] <joe_z> although it won't load debian
• 1256[06:42:49] <rpifan> honestly grub is boring
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• 1258[06:42:52] <rpifan> u should try refind
• 1259[06:42:56] <rpifan> but i guess refind is only efi
• 1260[06:43:01] <rpifan> i prefer efi stub
• 1261[06:43:04] <rpifan> if ugot the efi system
• 1262[06:43:24] <joe_z> nope, BIOS only
• 1263[06:43:48] <joe_z> I'm guessing this is related to the fact that I'm booting from USB storage
• 1264[06:43:58] <joe_z> grub thinks USB HDD is hd0
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• 1267[06:44:23] <joe_z> it's probably not consistently hd0 though, depending on how you look at it :)
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• 1276[06:49:07] <joe_z> actually the problem was the opposite
• 1277[06:49:19] <joe_z> when GRUB boots up, it thought hd1 should be root
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• 1279[06:49:29] <joe_z> but that's just because it was sdb during the install
• 1280[06:49:36] <joe_z> right after boot, it's sort of sda...
• 1281[06:49:40] <joe_z> due to weird USB-boot stuff
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• 1284[06:50:19] <joe_z> I'll need to fix that somehow, but it booted now
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• 1315[07:06:23] <should_eye> thinking of jumping ship from ubuntu (my first linux, 2 yrs) to debian.
• 1316[07:06:39] <should_eye> pros? cons?
• 1317[07:06:44] <should_eye> iyho
• 1318[07:06:51] <la-o-wai> thats a good thing to do
• 1319[07:07:17] <annadane> should_eye, replaced-url
• 1320[07:07:53] <should_eye> la-o-wai: what are your opinions on it?
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• 1325[07:09:24] <rpifan> debian is good
• 1326[07:09:25] <rpifan> ubuntu is bad
• 1327[07:09:26] <rpifan> that simple
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• 1329[07:09:51] <should_eye> rpifan: hm.
• 1330[07:09:56] <should_eye> why
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• 1335[07:12:48] <shellclear> hi, whats default login manager stretch? is it gdm?
• 1336[07:12:54] <annadane> shellclear, yes
• 1337[07:13:39] <somiaj> might depend on the desktop you install using the installer
• 1338[07:14:09] <shellclear> I just download debian nonfree and installed it
• 1339[07:15:15] <somiaj> the default selection is gnome, which will be gdm3, but during the isntaller you could have chosen other desktops
• 1340[07:15:16] <shellclear> thanks, I do not know why but I cant to login using xorg legacy mode... whe I try to do that my screen stuck in a loop
• 1341[07:15:33] <shellclear> somiaj: I'm using default selection.
• 1342[07:15:47] <somiaj> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if you can figure out why xorg isn't loading
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• 1344[07:16:41] <rpifan> cuse its more pure
• 1345[07:17:00] <annadane> right, sorry. the "default" DE is gnome and as such the "default" will be gdm but it does depend on what you chose
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• 1347[07:17:38] <abff> personally I prefer xfce but I have used gnome for some live builds
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• 1349[07:18:48] <should_eye> rpifan: I am interested in a minimal install of Linux. Ubuntu and Debian seem so BIG. How do you install just the minimal then add what you want?
• 1350[07:18:53] <shellclear> I hate X issue...
• 1351[07:18:56] <should_eye> I don't want all 29k packages!
• 1352[07:19:18] <la-o-wai> !list
• 1353[07:19:19] <dpkg> la-o-wai: vedi replaced-url
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• 1355[07:19:32] <somiaj> shellclear: at the end of the installer you can uncheck the desktop enviorment and get a minimial base system. From tehre install only the packages you want.
• 1356[07:19:52] <rpifan> if uw ant minimal
• 1357[07:19:53] <rpifan> then go for arch
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• 1360[07:20:26] <should_eye> rpifan: that seems like a slight bump up from LFS!
• 1361[07:20:33] <rpifan> not at all
• 1362[07:20:36] <rpifan> its a full system
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• 1364[07:20:39] <should_eye> (which i'm considering playing with)
• 1365[07:20:58] <somiaj> though it is off topic here. But you can start with a small install in debian and then install only the packages you need after that.
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• 1367[07:21:35] <should_eye> I like to use Firefox, watch youtube, listen to spotify, etc. Feel like i'll have to build it all myself with arch
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• 1374[07:22:28] <rpifan> u wont
• 1375[07:22:30] <rpifan> u can use pacman
• 1376[07:22:36] <rpifan> the only hard part is the install
• 1377[07:22:38] <rpifan> then its done
• 1378[07:22:39] <should_eye> somiaj: whats a "small install"? I know I can do a netinstall, but it seems like Deb pulls all kind of stuff down once connected
• 1379[07:23:19] <somiaj> should_eye: only a few hundered megs. In the installer you have to deselect the desktop enviorment to keep it from being isntalled.
• 1380[07:23:19] <should_eye> rpifan: hm. ok. maybe thats the way. was looking at tinycore as well
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• 1383[07:23:56] <la-o-wai> small install dont have desktop environment
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• 1385[07:24:39] <should_eye> somiaj: no desktop = all terminal, right? What about web browser?
• 1386[07:24:48] <should_eye> is that the whole "X11 thing"?
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• 1388[07:25:05] <should_eye> I'm cool with terminal, but need a browser
• 1389[07:25:07] <somiaj> no desktop means no xorg, no terminal emulators. Just a concsole
• 1390[07:25:19] <shellclear> I run some tests... I cant to start a xorg legacy session throught gdm... the screen stuck in a loop but if I try to run startx from tty, it works.
• 1391[07:25:26] <rpifan> u can get a browser that run in the terminal
• 1392[07:25:27] <rpifan> but no images
• 1393[07:25:35] <la-o-wai> should_eye: you use lynx
• 1394[07:25:48] <should_eye> rpifan: I'm not trying to go back to 86' with it
• 1395[07:25:49] <la-o-wai> no video too
• 1396[07:25:50] <somiaj> you can install console browsers such as links2 or lynx. If you want a graphical browser you'll need a graphical envorioment. Xorg, but might as well get a minmiial window manager to manage multiple windows.
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• 1398[07:26:35] <should_eye> somiaj: "graphical environment"= gnome/kde/etc, right?
• 1399[07:26:43] <should_eye> aka "desktop env", right?
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• 1401[07:27:01] <rpifan> but yea
• 1402[07:27:04] <rpifan> its all off topic here
• 1403[07:27:08] <rpifan> go to ##linux
• 1404[07:27:17] <somiaj> should_eye: no, graphical envoirment is xorg (though I guess there is also waylend)
• 1405[07:27:23] <abff> and mir
• 1406[07:27:25] <somiaj> should_eye: desktop enviorment, is that plus a lot mroe
• 1407[07:27:33] <rpifan> xwayland
• 1408[07:28:25] <should_eye> I got this crazy ass laptop and want to use all the hardware on it. Ubuntu does a good job of utilizing most of it, but I don't trust it.
• 1409[07:28:44] <should_eye> Interested in moving to Deb, just still not sure. Only one way to find out!!
• 1410[07:28:44] <la-o-wai> why
• 1411[07:29:08] <should_eye> Too many packages! I don't know, nor can i verify even the base install
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• 1413[07:29:19] <rpifan> i recommend get a life tbh
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• 1415[07:29:46] <should_eye> once I download things, its out the door. sudo apt-get what-the-heck-did-I-just-download?
• 1416[07:29:48] <la-o-wai> is your gfx card working well
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• 1418[07:30:14] <should_eye> la-o-wai: Geforce GTX880M no probs
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• 1420[07:30:23] <la-o-wai> ok
• 1421[07:30:23] <abff> bumblebee will be fun
• 1422[07:30:34] * abff still hasn't got optirun and primus to work
• 1423[07:30:41] <should_eye> The laptop runs hot, but hasn't affected anything yet
• 1424[07:31:24] <la-o-wai> yeah
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• 1427[07:31:40] <la-o-wai> you should get a light DE
• 1428[07:31:48] <should_eye> whats that?
• 1429[07:31:49] <abff> xfce
• 1430[07:31:52] <abff> i3
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• 1432[07:32:04] <abff> because it sounds like your rig is chuggin
• 1433[07:32:29] <should_eye> Asus G750-JZ
• 1434[07:33:05] <should_eye> I think its the ACPI fan or thermostat setting. Can't get it diale din with Ubuntu 16.04
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• 1438[07:34:01] <abff> cycles**
• 1439[07:34:10] <abff> maybe you got something clocking mad cycles
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• 1441[07:34:46] <should_eye> top shows "compiz" as the big offender
• 1442[07:35:12] <la-o-wai> what a "shit" laptop, has better gfx card than my desktop
• 1443[07:35:20] <should_eye> "web content", "firefox", and "xorg" are the big offenders
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• 1446[07:35:28] <should_eye> :)
• 1447[07:35:34] <should_eye> its two years old too!
• 1448[07:35:37] <abff> sounds like a gnome problem
• 1449[07:36:00] <abff> also probably haven't unlocked the full potential of that gpu
• 1450[07:36:02] <should_eye> hm. Is gnome heavy compared to kde/scfe?
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• 1453[07:36:22] <should_eye> nope. i don't even think i'm using it. stuck using onboard.
• 1454[07:36:24] <somiaj> gnome/kde are both the big desktops. xfce/lxde are on the lighter side.
• 1455[07:36:25] <abff> I don't know about kde,
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• 1457[07:36:28] <la-o-wai> how much did you get it for
• 1458[07:36:31] <abff> xfce is my recommendation
• 1459[07:36:35] <should_eye> 3.4k
• 1460[07:36:40] <somiaj> and then a window manager will be the lightest, but might need the most configuration
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• 1462[07:36:41] <abff> :|
• 1463[07:36:42] <should_eye> too much
• 1464[07:36:47] <la-o-wai> USD?
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• 1467[07:37:00] <should_eye> yep
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• 1469[07:37:15] <should_eye> it was this or a mac
• 1470[07:37:18] <abff> my laptop turned desktop was free
• 1471[07:37:22] <should_eye> fuckka mak
• 1472[07:37:29] * abff pets
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• 1474[07:38:33] <should_eye> I have many other devices for kacking around. This is the daily beast
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• 1476[07:39:09] <should_eye> I'm not even a gamer. What would jesus do with this gfx card? Rainbow talbes?
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• 1478[07:39:17] <abff> mine
• 1479[07:39:43] <la-o-wai> you use it to create 3D videos
• 1480[07:39:56] <should_eye> with debian?
• 1481[07:39:59] <abff> render with blender baby
• 1482[07:40:14] <should_eye> I use Sketchup in a win8 vm.
• 1483[07:40:17] <should_eye> like it
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• 1485[07:40:27] <should_eye> blasphemy!
• 1486[07:40:47] <should_eye> I met Richard Stallman a couple years back and tried to get him to autograph my machine.
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• 1489[07:41:09] <should_eye> he checked it for the windows sticker, then refused! Changed to ubuntu after that!
• 1490[07:41:18] <should_eye> :)
• 1491[07:41:21] <should_eye> funny shit
• 1492[07:41:28] <somiaj> lets keep to debian support.
• 1493[07:41:36] <somiaj> also please keep it family friendly.
• 1494[07:41:50] <should_eye> pardon me.
• 1495[07:41:59] <abff> I was fairly certain he doesn't like ubuntu, and that's the last word sorry somiaj
• 1496[07:42:10] <abff> #debian-offtopic
• 1497[07:42:37] <should_eye> nice chatting. take care
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• 1500[07:43:09] <joe_z> anyone have any guesses as to making update-grub set the proper root in grub.cfg?
• 1501[07:43:17] <joe_z> I'd be fine with some manual override
• 1502[07:43:49] <joe_z> it's just the setup here is weird, causing the disk to be /dev/sdb after linux loads, but, effectively, /dev/sda in grub
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• 1506[07:45:32] <somiaj> joe_z: grub should be using UUID's which would make that not mater.
• 1507[07:45:44] <joe_z> hmm
• 1508[07:45:49] <somiaj> joe_z: there is aconfig somewhere to tell grub to use uuid's,
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• 1512[07:46:38] <somiaj> check /etc/default/grub and make sure GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true is commented out.
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• 1519[07:46:58] <joe_z> somiaj, it's possible that if I run grub-update now, that it might fix itself then
• 1520[07:47:03] <joe_z> but I'll have a look
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• 1522[07:47:30] <joe_z> I've definitely got set root='hd1,msdos5' style lines in grub.cfg right now
• 1523[07:47:56] <joe_z> and it's not commented, so I'll give grub-update a try
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• 1528[07:48:13] <joe_z> err, update-grub I mean
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• 1530[07:48:58] <gaurishankar> hello all
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• 1534[07:49:26] <joe_z> somiaj, nope, I've still got hardcoded partitions for grub's 'set root'
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• 1536[07:49:45] <joe_z> not to be confused with the kernel's --set=root parameter, somiaj
• 1537[07:49:48] <gaurishankar> I am using Debian jessie 8.9
• 1538[07:49:56] <joe_z> the kernel is being passed a UUID properly
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• 1540[07:50:04] <gaurishankar> server edition for simple file server Samba
• 1541[07:50:46] <gaurishankar> is there any need to run update and upgrade to latest version
• 1542[07:51:34] <somiaj> joe_z: hmm, maybe you can edit the scripts in /etc/grub
• 1543[07:51:48] <joe_z> somiaj, that's what I was afraid of
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• 1545[07:52:04] <joe_z> it takes me 3 hours to track down where that even occurs in a script
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• 1547[07:52:16] <joe_z> people tend not to write scripts to be readable :)
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• 1554[07:53:59] <gaurishankar> Do I need to run update and upgrade on debian jessie 8.9 server
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• 1561[07:57:29] <gaurishankar> Can any one help me please .
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• 1569[08:00:13] <annadane> gaurishankar, probably best consulting replaced-url
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• 1578[08:04:36] <somiaj> gaurishankar: you will need to whenever security updates for software you use are there.
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• 1580[08:05:24] <somiaj> gaurishankar: debian jessie is still supported. In 6 months desktop support will end, but server side via LTS will be supported for another few years after that.
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• 1608[08:25:32] <gaurishankar> Is there any need that I run upgrade or update if my system is functioning well?
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• 1619[08:28:36] <gaurishankar> noirmally I am using webmin for update .
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• 1621[08:30:02] <kopper> Are you using stable?
• 1622[08:30:28] <annadane> jessie is still supported until june of next year
• 1623[08:30:38] <annadane> and then somewhat less so with lts until 2020
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• 1625[08:30:47] <annadane> !lts
• 1626[08:30:47] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see replaced-url
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• 1630[08:31:39] <gaurishankar> yes
• 1631[08:31:45] <kopper> gaurishankar check unattended-upgrades package. You should be interested in security patches
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• 1633[08:31:47] <gaurishankar> debian jessie 8.9
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• 1719[09:08:59] <Maido-Chan> what is the best way to access my windows system without rebooting? (i was told at #vmware that workstation can do it but 200 really is alot so if there is a free option that'd be great. :P)
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• 1731[09:10:57] <guardianx> you want to boot it up in a vm or something?
• 1732[09:11:04] <guardianx> can't see any other possible way without rebooting
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• 1734[09:11:33] <guardianx> idk
• 1735[09:11:36] <Maido-Chan> yeah that's what i was thinking. but my actual drive not a virtual one with my actual install not a new one.
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• 1740[09:13:24] <guardianx> don't know, but good luck
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• 1772[09:24:13] <joe_z> how do I get high resolution consoles working, using kernel mode setting?
• 1773[09:25:05] <joe_z> the grub part here alone didn't work: replaced-url
• 1774[09:25:17] <joe_z> my graphics aren't listed explicitely on that page
• 1775[09:25:20] <joe_z> I have a via chip
• 1776[09:25:22] <javagui> clear
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• 1778[09:25:32] <joe_z> I imagine I've got to do something with module configurations?
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• 1783[09:27:44] <azerty> hey
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• 1785[09:28:33] <azerty> can somoene help me to find a way to concatenate pdf pages on linux, i'm using kali bye the way
• 1786[09:28:34] <azerty> ?
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• 1791[09:30:11] <annadane> !kali
• 1792[09:30:12] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1798[09:31:18] <iflema> poppler-utils pdfunite?
• 1799[09:32:02] <azerty> thanks dpkg for the info
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• 1801[09:32:32] <azerty> #kali-linux :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with service
• 1802[09:32:51] <azerty> can somoene help me to identified myself ?
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• 1805[09:33:27] <somiaj> azg: /msg nickserv help, or /j #freenode for help with registering with the network.
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• 1811[09:34:24] <a_w_r_m0t3rb04rd> allright
• 1812[09:34:34] <hp> hello to everyone
• 1813[09:34:39] <eck> hi hp
• 1814[09:34:54] <somiaj> azg: bad tab completion, didn't notice the nick change
• 1815[09:34:54] <a_w_r_m0t3rb04rd> thx people
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• 1820[09:36:53] <m0t3rb04rd> GROUP
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• 1824[09:40:09] <dtux> when a release is cut, stable gets a whole bunch of new packages next apt-get upgrade... does that happen in testing?
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• 1826[09:40:59] <Haohmaru> i don't think so
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• 1829[09:41:20] <Haohmaru> afaik "upgrade" doesn't make sense in testing
• 1830[09:42:08] <dtux> Haohmaru: dont you need it to get new package versions?
• 1831[09:42:16] <annadane> dtux, can you be more specific with your question?
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• 1834[09:43:01] <Haohmaru> "upgrade" is not quite the same as "update"
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• 1836[09:44:41] <dtux> annadane: jw what happens to testing after a freeze... i wasnt sure if it would usually get a whole bunch of new stuff from unstable
• 1837[09:44:50] <dexta> gm
• 1838[09:45:05] <dtux> im thinking about running testing instead of stable on my home desktop
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• 1841[09:45:49] <annadane> um
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• 1843[09:46:16] <annadane> i *think* the answer to that is *some* packages from testing will go to stable during the freeze process
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• 1845[09:46:30] <annadane> that would make the most sense but i actually don't know
• 1846[09:46:45] <jelly> dtux: when a new release happens, "stable" gets pointed to a different codename, and the same thing happens with "testing"
• 1847[09:47:36] <dtux> jelly: i see... so the diff will be however much unstable changed during the freeze
• 1848[09:47:58] <jelly> dtux: at release time, difference is zero
• 1849[09:48:20] <dtux> oh because those still have to meet the criteria to get into testing
• 1850[09:48:22] <dtux> ?
• 1851[09:48:47] <jelly> dtux: unstable remains unstable. The codename for testing and its repo gets created as a copy of previous testing.
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• 1854[09:48:59] <zprd> hi folks
• 1855[09:49:25] <jelly> dtux: and only after that, packages start flowing from unstable to new testing as usual
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• 1858[09:49:59] <dtux> jelly: ah, makes sense. thanks
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• 1861[09:50:24] <zprd> i am testing java 9 here, java -version gives: openjdk version "9-Debian" while replaced-url
• 1862[09:50:35] <zprd> do I miss something?
• 1863[09:50:46] <loloEZASD45554> love debian the original system linux is very stable
• 1864[09:51:04] <jelly> zprd: what does "java -version" say?
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• 1866[09:51:33] <jelly> I mean, the whole output?
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• 1869[09:52:06] <zprd> jelly: openjdk version "9-Debian"
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• 1871[09:52:11] <zprd> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 9-Debian+0-9b181-4bpo91)
• 1872[09:52:17] <zprd> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 9-Debian+0-9b181-4bpo91, mixed mode)
• 1873[09:52:24] <loloEZASD45554> i got my java jdk install on my system but not on mmy path
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• 1875[09:53:04] <jelly> zprd: right, that's different from openjdk-8-jdk
• 1876[09:53:04] <zprd> loloEZASD45554: replaced-url
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• 1878[09:53:16] <zprd> jelly: it is
• 1879[09:53:28] <loloEZASD45554> thanks zprd
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• 1881[09:53:50] <zprd> jelly: on windows looks like ... version "9"
• 1882[09:54:07] <zprd> still different from oracle's doc
• 1883[09:54:20] <noqnio1> Hey. Has anyone noticed increased background cpu activity on a hosting server after recent upgrades?
• 1884[09:54:22] <jelly> zprd: so both have changed and fail to comply with the docs
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• 1886[09:54:47] <zprd> yes and more on debin/ubuntu we have the suffix
• 1887[09:54:48] <jelly> zprd: I guess oracle may have decided to get rid of "1." bit
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• 1890[09:55:24] <jelly> a java-related channel may know more
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• 1898[09:58:22] <loloEZASD45554> see good infos but how to manually set up the path of JAVA_HOME on my lovely debian 8.9
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• 1903[10:02:35] <zprd> loloEZASD45554: if you want java home for your dev only you can set the variable in your profile
• 1904[10:03:04] <zprd> in ~/.zshrc for example
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• 1908[10:05:58] <loloEZASD45554> export JAVA_HOME=~/Documents/jdk1.7.0_151 is good zprd
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• 1933[10:11:59] <IsaacDWD> using plasma on stretch, just upgraded from jessie. how do I change mouse speed and disable acceleration? plasma's mouse settings do nothing. xset m 0 0 does nothing.
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• 1938[10:15:18] <annadane> IsaacDWD, might want to ask #plasma
• 1939[10:15:30] <annadane> ,v plasma-desktop
• 1940[10:15:31] <judd> Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.10.5-2; sid: 4:5.10.5-2
• 1941[10:16:01] <annadane> 4.11 > 5.8... they ought to have the answer for that
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• 1967[10:31:04] <cr1t1cal> if I know that my computer's headphone jacks work and my sound system (alsa) is unmuted, what is the next step in trouble shooting a sound problem?
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• 1974[10:31:54] <rudi_s> cr1t1cal: alsamixer, check if everything is properly unmuted, check if it's the proper sound card. If you're using pulseaudio, check puavcontrol.
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• 1977[10:32:40] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: alsamixer is at 00
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• 1980[10:32:53] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: the thing at the bottom of the bar
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• 1985[10:33:35] <annadane> !alsa checklist
• 1986[10:33:35] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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• 1993[10:35:51] <cr1t1cal> dpkg: what's the pulseaudio deamon called again?
• 1994[10:35:52] <dpkg> cr1t1cal: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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• 1999[10:36:33] <annadane> cr1t1cal, dpkg is just a bot
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• 2001[10:36:54] <cr1t1cal> annadane: well thanks for embarassing me
• 2002[10:37:26] <cr1t1cal> step 5) doesn't work for me
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• 2006[10:39:00] <rudi_s> cr1t1cal: Well, then raise it e.g. by pressing 9.
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• 2009[10:39:26] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: no the mode. not the volume
• 2010[10:39:44] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: as far as I know, 00 is 'unmuted' and 'MM' is 'muted'
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• 2012[10:40:39] <rudi_s> cr1t1cal: Ah, yes.
• 2013[10:40:43] <rudi_s> Then it's unmuted.
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• 2015[10:41:00] <rudi_s> Then the proper sound card.
• 2016[10:41:05] <rudi_s> And check pulseuadio.
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• 2018[10:41:12] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: how to check pulseaudio
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• 2020[10:41:55] <rudi_s> cr1t1cal: If you use it alsamixer should just show a single card (top left) named Pulseaudio. If that's the case start pavucontrol.
• 2021[10:42:53] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: how to start?
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• 2023[10:43:00] <cr1t1cal> sudo systemctl start pavucontrol?
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• 2025[10:43:21] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: if I do that it says 'pavucontrol: service not found' or something among those lines
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• 2027[10:43:56] <rudi_s> cr1t1cal: Don't just run commands if you don't know what they are doing.
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• 2029[10:44:13] <rudi_s> (And the practice to run everything as root is really an issue ..)
• 2030[10:44:22] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: okay
• 2031[10:44:25] <rudi_s> cr1t1cal: Just run pavucontrol in a terminal as your normal user.
• 2032[10:44:35] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: just type it in?
• 2033[10:44:57] <rudi_s> cr1t1cal: Yes. man pavucontrol first if you want to understand what it does.
• 2034[10:45:13] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: no manual entry for pavucontrol
• 2035[10:45:28] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: i didn't have it installed haha sorry
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• 2037[10:46:21] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: okay now what do I do with pavucontrol?
• 2038[10:46:42] <cr1t1cal> rudi_s: everything is unmuted and my sounds are at 100% or 0.00dB
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• 2046[10:52:23] <rudi_s> ...
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• 2057[10:55:32] <c-c> hello
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• 2067[11:03:57] <Iridos> c-c, yes, we're here… you're here. Hello.
• 2068[11:03:57] <rudi_s> Hi.
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• 2111[11:32:48] <loloEZASD45554> zpdr in found the result is #JAVA setup export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/ export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH
• 2112[11:33:12] <loloEZASD45554> thanks zpdr
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• 2120[11:36:59] <loloEZASD45554> can you update firefox to 56 it is possible on Debian 8.9
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• 2127[11:39:21] <loloEZASD45554> beacaus i go every time on internet with firefox and i want to stay there secure
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• 2132[11:43:41] <rant> debian has a security team working hard to keep our version of firefox up to date. A recent update to the stable vetsion was just released to address issues
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• 2138[11:46:21] <loloEZASD45554> thanks rant
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• 2184[12:06:55] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting this, mysql server is still running?
• 2185[12:07:59] <gpunk> where and why ?
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• 2194[12:12:59] <Rembo> gpunk, i did move /var/lib/mysql folder and i did try to restart mysql
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• 2199[12:14:37] <gpunk> then kill manually mysql 1st , look for it by "ps"
• 2200[12:14:48] <gpunk> but in the hell did you remove that folder ?
• 2201[12:14:54] <gpunk> all your data is gone
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• 2216[12:20:37] <shtrb> gpunk he said moved not removed (and god I hope he did a backup before that)
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• 2222[12:22:00] <gpunk> oh
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• 2225[12:22:22] <gpunk> i think the socket and pid file are there too
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• 2234[12:26:44] <projectz> hey
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• 2253[12:35:30] <projectz_> hey
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• 2278[12:51:59] <dreamer> weird, trying an apt-get upgrade on stretch: apt-utils : Depends: apt (= 1.4.7) but 1.4.8 is installed
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• 2282[12:52:41] <babilen> dreamer: Could you show us the output of "apt-cache policy apt-utils apt" on replaced-url
• 2283[12:52:58] <dreamer> sur, sec
• 2284[12:53:21] <dreamer> replaced-url
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• 2286[12:54:10] <babilen> dreamer: What does "apt -s full-upgrade" propose?
• 2287[12:54:43] <dreamer> same
• 2288[12:54:50] <dreamer> it says E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
• 2289[12:55:04] <dreamer> should I try the suggested command?
• 2290[12:55:09] <babilen> You could try that, or "aptitude full-upgrade"
• 2291[12:55:18] <dreamer> ok, seems to have done something
• 2292[12:55:25] * dreamer not used to using 'apt' yet :P
• 2293[12:55:29] <dreamer> feels foreign somehow ;)
• 2294[12:55:41] <babilen> "apt{,itude} install apt-utils" might also work
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• 2296[12:56:00] <babilen> I'd play around with that, but wonder how you managed to get in this state
• 2297[12:56:08] <dreamer> yeah weird
• 2298[12:56:44] <dreamer> so it's fixed now and can do my regular upgrade
• 2299[12:56:47] <dreamer> thnx babilen :)
• 2300[12:56:55] <babilen> Enjoy
• 2301[12:57:00] <dionysus69> hey does polkit get updated automatically?
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• 2304[12:57:31] <dionysus69> I put it in /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/somerule.rules
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• 2332[13:06:07] <c-c> Is there a feed or list somewhere for debian vulns/cve/secu alerts?
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• 2335[13:06:28] <ezra-s> c-c: debian.org website is a good place to start
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• 2361[13:20:50] <noqnio1> Hey, my 4.1 sound profile suddenly is missing from audio settings and pavucontrol, without me changing anything. How can I get it back? I tried removing user pulseaudio configurations to no avail
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• 2367[13:22:38] <soulz> Indeed, indeed. :)
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• 2369[13:23:04] <c-c> ezra-s: I was trying to find vulns or sec updates on debian.org, but due to my dumb, I fail
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• 2374[13:23:19] <c-c> (also, its been localized and its in finnish)
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• 2376[13:24:11] <c-c> I did find DSA's now, perhaps its what I should see replaced-url
• 2377[13:24:24] <c-c> s/see/follow/g
• 2378[13:24:50] <ezra-s> :)
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• 2388[13:27:19] <c-c> Ok, just a note for others interested in following debian vulns - this is what you can follow replaced-url
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• 2394[13:30:09] <ezra-s> c-c: thanks for sharing it
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• 2418[13:55:14] <rant> what's the point of apt telling me a source package is maintained in the git version control system?
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• 2421[13:57:56] <rant> it just seems a little like a waitress telling me my dinner was made in the kitchen
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• 2430[13:59:34] <rant> my response to either is "great, how about you get it for me"
• 2431[13:59:41] <AndreasLutro> okay?
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• 2433[14:00:00] <AndreasLutro> what command are you running and what problems are you having?
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• 2435[14:00:30] <rant> there is no problem per-se I was just backporting irssi and apt-get -b source irssi gave me a notice saying it was maintained in the git version control system
• 2436[14:00:38] <rant> I just dont understand why it'd tell me that
• 2437[14:01:00] <shtrb> rant , now imagine if a package is maintained over CVS :D
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• 2440[14:01:35] <rant> my point is I dont much care how its maintained, I just expect apt to get it
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• 2445[14:02:10] <rant> and every other time I've done this thats what it did.. this time it did it but added commentary
• 2446[14:02:36] <at0m> apt only gets from repo's. unless package is an installer itself, like in the case of flash
• 2447[14:02:37] <apt> at0m: that's too long
• 2448[14:02:46] <AndreasLutro> seems like a reasonable warning to me, there might be changes in git not yet released in the debian repositoris
• 2449[14:02:50] <AndreasLutro> repositories*
• 2450[14:03:03] <rant> apt, thats what she said
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• 2452[14:03:06] <rant> heh
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• 2454[14:03:23] <at0m> rant: the debian maintainer is in #irssi, maybe talk to her
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• 2461[14:05:02] <rant> at0m: are you sure Rhonda is in #irssi? :P
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• 2465[14:06:41] <at0m> rant: last i checked..
• 2466[14:06:44] <ferna> Hello
• 2467[14:06:59] <a0p> hello everyone
• 2468[14:07:00] <rant> o/
• 2469[14:07:04] <ferna> Why when i reboot some terminals and applications come up?
• 2470[14:07:12] <crash__> hello
• 2471[14:07:16] <rant> ferna: probably your session manager
• 2472[14:07:20] <ferna> How do i stop this behavior?
• 2473[14:07:24] <a0p> ferna like what app?
• 2474[14:07:31] <ferna> Terminals
• 2475[14:07:33] <rant> ferna: were the apps open when you rebooted?
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• 2477[14:07:36] <ferna> zim
• 2478[14:07:42] <ferna> Yes rant
• 2479[14:07:54] <rant> ferna: then yeah, your session manager is restarting them
• 2480[14:08:00] <jelly> ferna: some desktop environments have session management. Which DE are you using
• 2481[14:08:13] <rant> ferna: to answer that question you have to specify what session manager you're using
• 2482[14:08:15] <ferna> DE?
• 2483[14:08:24] <rant> ferna: Gnome, XFCE, LXDE, KDE, etc
• 2484[14:08:29] <ferna> KDE
• 2485[14:08:38] <jelly> gnome, xfce, kde, probably others, save running windows and try to restore them at next start
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• 2487[14:08:43] <jelly> at next login*
• 2488[14:08:59] <ferna> Thank you trying now.
• 2489[14:09:09] <rant> the session manager can also start any apps you want it to start, its all managed in the session managers configureation interface
• 2490[14:09:14] <ferna> Thank you for your valuable time, and knowledge.
• 2491[14:09:21] <jelly> ferna: open KDE's systemsettings, find something resembling session / autostart
• 2492[14:09:31] <ferna> OK
• 2493[14:10:04] <rant> my time is rather cheap, I'll send you a bill :P
• 2494[14:10:13] <ferna> ha ha
• 2495[14:10:24] <shtrb> ferna , you have an option start new session or save session . you may wish to use start new session
• 2496[14:10:41] <ferna> where shtrb ?
• 2497[14:10:48] <shtrb> systemsettings
• 2498[14:10:54] <at0m> ferna: Systemsettings > Workspace > Startup and Shutdown > Desktop Session > "On Login"
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• 2501[14:11:14] <ferna> checking
• 2502[14:12:51] <ferna> Ok rebooting
• 2503[14:13:02] <at0m> logging out and in would be ok
• 2504[14:13:15] <shtrb> As others have also mentioned you may have something installed that need to be start on login (it is usually controled via the profile level and ~/.kde/share/autostart and /usr/share/autostart/ )
• 2505[14:13:24] <shtrb> *session login
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• 2510[14:15:44] <tommaso> hey, does anybody successfully ran Bro on Debian 9 ? I'm having issue with the openssl
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• 2512[14:16:11] <jelly> terminals coming back right where they used to be is one of the main reasons I use kde (well, konsole)
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• 2518[14:19:08] <rant> I'm on armhf and just tried to build irssi from source using apt and it failed to package on dh_strip saying unknown option dbgsym-migration, any idea why that may be?
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• 2533[14:25:33] <rant> tommaso: if you're waiting for someone to tell you that you should tell us what your issue is rather than taking a usage poll, consider yourself releaved of the wait
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• 2540[14:26:57] <ezra-s> hehe
• 2541[14:27:36] <rant> :P
• 2542[14:28:08] <shtrb> (not a useage poll) anyone have an idea about powershute with NUT over network ?
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• 2552[14:29:20] <tommaso> rant: the configure fails with a "Can't determine if opoenssl_d2i_x509() take const char parameter"
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• 2554[14:29:41] <shtrb> *how to configure or us
• 2555[14:30:10] <shtrb> I would be better without installing the powershute deamon
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• 2558[14:30:42] <rant> tommaso: that sounds more like a build error than running something
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• 2561[14:32:28] <tommaso> yeah rant I've been imprecise
• 2562[14:32:39] <rant> not to mention I hope you types and not copy/pasted that error
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• 2564[14:32:59] <rant> cause I'd be concerned about the typos if thats what it actually said
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• 2567[14:33:22] <tommaso> it's a typo
• 2568[14:33:30] <tommaso> my typo
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• 2570[14:34:41] <rant> tommaso: you should take this opportunity to be more precise and explain from the beginning how you obtained this source and what command you're running to generate this error
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• 2573[14:37:22] <tommaso> ok, I downloaded the Bro source from the official site. I installed the dependencies as the installation instructions' state at replaced-url
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• 2582[14:38:59] <tommaso> CMakeOutput.log last lines replaced-url
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• 2586[14:40:03] <rant> tommaso: well that pretty much explains it then.. this is where I have to unforunately tell you this falls outside the scope of this channel and suggest to you other options like considering the why of doing this as opposed to other options and possibly redirct you toward upstream support or the maintainer of the debian package for possible solution
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• 2590[14:40:58] <rant> if the why somehow is a just reason for not using the stable debian package, and the version/feature you're looking for is in one of the newer branches of debian, I'd then suggest you just backport from already debianized source
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• 2593[14:41:14] <themill> tommaso: did you install the build-depends for bro?
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• 2596[14:42:20] <rant> I'd think if the headers for it were missing it'd have said so more directly, but thats a good catch
• 2597[14:42:21] <tommaso> themill: yes I installed the necessary packages
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• 2599[14:42:46] <themill> 'the necessary packages' is quite vague; the build-depends is a defined list
• 2600[14:43:02] <tommaso> yes, the one at replaced-url
• 2601[14:43:08] <rant> tommaso: what he means is did you aptitude build-dep bro
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• 2603[14:43:21] <tommaso> ops
• 2604[14:43:35] <rant> you're doing all these non-debian things when using debian :P
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• 2606[14:43:48] <tommaso> such a noob
• 2607[14:43:50] <themill> I wouldn't necessarily trust upstream to have the package names or requirements right
• 2608[14:43:55] <tesko> non debian?
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• 2610[14:44:13] <themill> i may also be that they haven't updated to the current openssl
• 2611[14:44:16] <themill> t
• 2612[14:44:22] <tesko> i thought debian was the universal os
• 2613[14:44:28] <rant> tesko: heh
• 2614[14:44:53] <themill> Build-Depends: … libssl1.0-dev | libssl-dev (<< 1.1), … would indicate not
• 2615[14:45:10] <rant> tesko: yeah thats why you have to use sources properly modified for the whole universe
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• 2622[14:46:30] <tesko> most are generic though rant
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• 2624[14:48:01] <tommaso> themill: ok I ran 'aptitude build-dep bro' .. it installed dependencies but still I can't get 'configure' to terminate successully
• 2625[14:48:23] <tommaso> I'd need to build it, not to get a precompiled packet
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• 2628[14:48:40] <themill> can you help me understand why?
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• 2630[14:49:23] <rant> all the cool kids are doing it
• 2631[14:49:52] <tesko> bbl
• 2632[14:50:15] <tommaso> to debug it
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• 2634[14:50:33] <rant> tommaso: and you can't do that from a debian source tree?
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• 2636[14:51:11] <rant> tommaso: or are you just as previously stated too much a noob to know we have sources and ways to build packages from them?
• 2637[14:51:27] <tommaso> rant: I also need to change a component of it at compile time .. not sure
• 2638[14:51:56] <themill> tommaso: neither of these things require you to build the upstream source rather than using the debian packages
• 2639[14:52:02] <rant> tommaso: thats all doable if you just apt-get source bro you then have debianized source you know builds on debian
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• 2642[14:52:49] <rant> tommaso: apt not only can get the build dependancies, it can get the source and even build it and package it too
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• 2644[14:53:06] <tommaso> rant: thanks themill: you too
• 2645[14:53:17] <themill> !package recompile
• 2646[14:53:17] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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• 2648[14:53:23] * themill looks at bro/2.5.1-1/debian/rules and cries
• 2649[14:53:27] <rant> we're full service here.. and you go swimming upstream... tisk tisk
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• 2652[14:54:27] <rant> too cool for school.. heh (fish metaphor joke)
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• 2656[14:56:46] <rant> dpkg package recompile ~= s/any user/any non-root user/
• 2657[14:56:46] <dpkg> rant: i don't know
• 2658[14:56:53] * rant tried
• 2659[14:56:56] <lvmcrashuser> can someone help me out with an inaccessible home volume (lvm2)
• 2660[14:56:57] <tommaso> ok I got the source with 'apt source bro' .. but still same error on './configure'
• 2661[14:57:01] <lvmcrashuser> iget I/O errors
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• 2663[14:57:24] <lvmcrashuser> blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 90456184
• 2664[14:57:31] <lvmcrashuser> fsck.ext4: Input/output error while trying to open /dev/mapper/parrot--vg-home
• 2665[14:57:36] <rant> tommaso: well that would probably still happen, but you dont do ./configure either fwiw as I said apt does it all
• 2666[14:57:37] <gpunk> lvmcrashuser: oops drive is dying
• 2667[14:57:40] <lvmcrashuser> or am i better off with another channel
• 2668[14:57:56] <lvmcrashuser> any suggestions for a ssd check?
• 2669[14:57:58] <lvmcrashuser> smartctl?
• 2670[14:58:01] <rant> tommaso: but if you try it the debian way and still have a problem I'd file a bug against the package
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• 2672[14:58:19] <gpunk> lvmcrashuser: yes you can have a diagnostic
• 2673[14:58:23] <lvmcrashuser> any way to get some data off the home partition?
• 2674[14:58:28] <lvmcrashuser> can you tip me out
• 2675[14:58:30] <tommaso> rant: I'll do that
• 2676[14:58:40] <lvmcrashuser> i'm a bit out of my head now ...
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• 2678[14:59:06] <gpunk> i head about dd recover
• 2679[14:59:21] <rant> lvmcrashuser: so are the rest of us.. you're stressed, we get it.. but when you use enter in place of punctuation your issue gets scattered all over the chat buffer and its hard to follow
• 2680[14:59:49] <lvmcrashuser> dd will mirror the data, but the home partition will still be inaccessible and unmountable, right?
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• 2682[15:00:17] <rant> lvmcrashuser: yes dd will create a backup but if IT encounters IO errors what you have is rather useless
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• 2684[15:00:50] <gpunk> ddrecover i heard it could help
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• 2687[15:01:05] <lvmcrashuser> @gpunk i'll check that out
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• 2700[15:03:02] <joe_z> lvmcrashuser, on the bright side you've learned a valuable lesson about the importance of backups
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• 2703[15:03:53] <lvmcrashuser> backup is there, it's just a few days old and ive been setting up a new pki recently, which is still in the home partition ...
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• 2705[15:04:20] <joe_z> OK, then on the bright side, it's only a few days work
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• 2708[15:04:36] <lvmcrashuser> i'll check smartctl and ddrescue (which i suppose is "dd recover"
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• 2716[15:06:38] <bgardner> Hello! I have a Debian stretch install that has been running his fan a lot, and closer investigation shows _apt has what appears to be an endless set of tasks (not one single process) running. How can I debug this?
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• 2719[15:07:27] <rant> bgardner: is it perhaps (looks like) the auto update feature?
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• 2721[15:08:36] <bgardner> Maybe? It's not familiar to me. Here's one running now: 5486 _apt 20 0 36944 7360 4488 R 98.6 0.2 0:20.07 apt-config shell TRUSTEDPARTS Dir::Etc::TrustedParts/d
• 2722[15:08:50] <bgardner> 100% CPU, so box is toasty. :)
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• 2726[15:09:34] <rant> hmm not sure what that is.. but I'm aware that in stretch there is something that seems to update automagically.. I was rather alarmed by it at first
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• 2728[15:10:02] <bgardner> But the machine has been holding at 100% CPU for the last hour, that seems abnormal. Again, different process each time, so it's "progressing", as it were.
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• 2730[15:10:19] <bgardner> Now it's this: 5625 root 20 0 40352 12968 4232 R 98.6 0.4 0:14.28 /usr/lib/apt/methods/http
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• 2732[15:10:23] <rant> bgardner: random curiousity are you british?
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• 2735[15:10:48] <bgardner> rant: No, did I say something British? :)
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• 2738[15:11:11] <rant> bgardner: idk "as it were" is vaguely so.. I take interest in language, which you picked up on :P
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• 2740[15:11:46] <bgardner> rant: I probably stole it, I like the idiom
• 2741[15:12:01] <rant> bgardner: yeah people sometimes mistake me for a brit
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• 2743[15:13:17] <rant> bgardner: I dont recall the process but I think that may be what this is, because I noticed the same thing on this orangepilite when I was running stretch that something was lagging and I saw apt processes running
• 2744[15:13:52] <rant> bgardner: I never did bother to learn more about this auto-update thing.. but I can't imagine why else apt would run without you telling it to
• 2745[15:14:18] <bgardner> rant: Hm. I am literally about to trip my CPU high-temp alarm because of this. It's been running for the last couple hours, I have to think that's not right.
• 2746[15:14:42] <rant> bgardner: well I'd suggest you do the same thing I did when I saw it.. kill that thing
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• 2748[15:15:11] <bgardner> rant: Agreed. I'm off to fetch my axe.
• 2749[15:15:16] <rant> bgardner: then I suppose you need to do unlike me and figure out more about it and how to stop it from doing it again.. because as I recall it'll do it daily
• 2750[15:15:24] <shtrb> bgardner , if you don't like the periodic updates you can disable it
• 2751[15:15:26] <shtrb> I did t
• 2752[15:15:43] <rant> shtrb: is that what it is, a daily thing?
• 2753[15:15:51] <bgardner> shtrb: Where do I accomplish the disable?
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• 2756[15:17:43] <shtrb> Depending what you prepare , but you are using the system that I like to call a pile of gold just drop ( apt-daily-upgrade ) or you can configure apt itself
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• 2758[15:18:00] <shtrb> for just apt replaced-url
• 2759[15:19:05] <bgardner> shtrb, rant: Sounds good, thank you both
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• 2766[15:22:25] <shtrb> *What you prefere either via systemd or via apt
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• 2772[15:25:02] <bgardner> shtrb: I just went with removing unattended upgrades. Not sure how that got installed, but I'm sure I did it to myself.
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• 2774[15:25:32] <lvmcrashuser> exit
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• 2776[15:26:11] <shtrb> bgardner , check other apt daily actions (you might don't like something else )
• 2777[15:26:36] <bgardner> shtrb: Hmm. I see what you mean, it's back running again after my uninstall.
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• 2779[15:27:33] <shtrb> You have two layers either via APT config (the normal way) or via systemd (the brutal way)
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• 2803[15:38:00] <random_numbers> So I've seen a tee invocation with '<<<' syntax and found a use-case where it seems to be the only thing that works, but I can't seem to find it mentioned anywhere in the coreutils manpage or info manual.
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• 2817[15:43:31] <random_numbers> Nevermind, it seems to be a bashism that allows avoiding the 'echo <number> | sudo tee <file>' pattern.
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• 2822[15:48:19] <random_numbers> What would be the safe way to write the acpi config file without always loging as root? setuid?
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• 2824[15:48:57] <random_numbers> (As in, a script that gets current number and adds/removes 500 to the value until a given minimum/maximum.)
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• 2830[15:51:19] <rant> idk but those would be uniform, not random_numbers
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• 2832[15:51:42] <random_numbers> Indeed. :)
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• 2834[15:53:59] <random_numbers> Before my reinstall I know xfpm from xfce4 did it fine with plain user rights but I'm suspected polkit magic.
• 2835[15:54:07] <random_numbers> s/suspected/suspecting/
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• 2841[15:57:41] <rant> magic only works if you're not suspecting it
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• 2844[15:58:09] <random_numbers> I've found suspicion often just tends to increase Perils of the Warp roll modifiers.
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• 2846[15:58:41] <rant> only inside a good brownian motion generator like a freshly stirred cup of tea
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• 2849[15:59:18] <random_numbers> Heh, poor smartass intern.
• 2850[15:59:48] <rant> :p at least someone read their guide
• 2851[16:00:16] <random_numbers> A long, long time ago. I should sit down with it again sometime.
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• 2853[16:01:00] <rant> yeah.. nothing like a hoolavoo refracted through a free standing prism
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• 2862[16:03:02] <bgardner> shtrb: Okay, after "systemctl disable apt-daily.timer" I think I finally got the root cause. Thanks! Already down 10C and still falling...
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• 2864[16:04:01] <rant> dpkg disable periodic updates is systemctl disable apt-daily.timer
• 2865[16:04:01] <dpkg> okay, rant
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• 2869[16:04:41] <shtrb> dpkg systemd is a pile of gold
• 2870[16:04:41] <dpkg> ...but systemd is already something else...
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• 2872[16:04:53] <thepotter> hi
• 2873[16:05:06] <rant> not yet, but we're working on it
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• 2876[16:06:43] <thepotter> I've got vsftpd 3.0.3-8+b1 on Debian 9. It's configured with TLS only. When I enable chrooting local users, FileZilla is unable to connect: GnuTLS error -15: An unexpected TLS packet was received. When chroot is disbled, FileZilla connects.
• 2877[16:07:02] <thepotter> Am I doing something wrong?
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• 2880[16:07:37] <thepotter> My config: replaced-url
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• 2885[16:11:11] <rant> thepotter: openssl s_client -connect host:port
• 2886[16:11:17] <rant> may help you debug
• 2887[16:11:46] <rant> I havent used vsftpd in ages and I'm tired as hell so thats all I got
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• 2896[16:15:35] <thepotter> thank you
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• 2898[16:15:46] <thepotter> I decided to try proftpd and it works properly
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• 3028[17:17:33] <mrjayribs> Hi everyone! Yesterday I talked to this chat about a problem opening a pdf without the use of Adobe Reader. Well, i thought I tell everyone that the U.S. gov create the document (replaced-url
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• 3030[17:17:48] <mrjayribs> Also I still can't open it without Adobe Reader; fyi
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• 3052[17:25:18] <mrjayribs> replaced-url
• 3053[17:25:22] <mrjayribs> replaced-url
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• 3057[17:26:58] <mutante> mrjayribs: wow, what the hack. confirmed. "If this message is not eventually replaced by the proper contents of the document, your PDF viewer may not be able to display this type of document."
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• 3060[17:27:18] <mutante> what do they mean? it's downloading more data in the background to inject it? what
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• 3075[17:31:08] <mutante> mrjayribs: woah... replaced-url
• 3076[17:31:58] <mutante> you should send a complaint to the gov
• 3077[17:32:25] <mutante> and until then i would open it at a Fedex or UPS kiosk computer to print it
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• 3083[17:33:28] <random_numbers> Wow. So they're using the proprietary extensions.
• 3084[17:33:29] <mrjayribs> mutante: I know right!!!
• 3085[17:33:30] <random_numbers> wtf
• 3086[17:33:35] <mrjayribs> It makes no
• 3087[17:33:37] <mrjayribs> sense
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• 3089[17:33:51] <mrjayribs> (P.S. why doesn't my notification work when somone takes me in a message?)
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• 3091[17:34:44] <mrjayribs> fuck drm
• 3092[17:34:53] <mutante> mrjayribs: i'm pretty sure that is against some kind of "accessibility" guidelines or being vendor-neutral. an email to the right place might fix it.. the question is just.. what is the right place
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• 3094[17:35:37] <mrjayribs> agreed. Maybe a direct call to their call center?
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• 3096[17:36:00] <mutante> maybe a Tweet to their boss (some levels up), heh
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• 3098[17:36:09] <mutante> nowdays it feels like Twitter is more effective often
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• 3100[17:36:52] <mrjayribs> I agree actually... only if I had a twitter. I wonder if FSF could help in anyway.
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• 3102[17:37:38] <mutante> mrjayribs: good idea, why not join #fsf right here on freenode and ask there
• 3103[17:37:56] <mrjayribs> totally. I'll keep you updated!
• 3104[17:38:04] <mutante> :)
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• 3201[18:17:03] <adi_> I'm searching for a straightforward method to encrypt Debian, without additional commands. Will I achieve this when using Guided installation - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM? If I then choose separate home var tmp, will all three be encrypted? Thanks.
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• 3207[18:22:35] <goiken-> adi_ yes and yes, but separation of /home, /var, and /tmp is not required for encryption. Maybe go with the default instead.
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• 3215[18:27:08] <adi_> <goiken-> thank you, got confused by the many alternatives out there
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• 3221[18:30:19] <goiken-> adi_ also during installation the volume to be encrypted will be (repeatedly?) overwritten with 0's or random data. That it to make it impossible to recover what was on there before. If you don’t care about that, you might want to skip this step (just hit cancel) because it takes ages…
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• 3232[18:35:22] <adi_> goiken- got it, many thanks
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• 3315[19:02:04] <zus> hello
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• 3317[19:04:05] <spacebison> Lots of updates pushed out lately for stable?
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• 3320[19:04:42] <greycat> There was a 9.2 point release except they forgot to actually update base-files to say 9.2.
• 3321[19:04:50] <greycat> That'll come ... soon? Maybe?
• 3322[19:05:03] <zus> alguiem
• 3323[19:05:09] <greycat> !pt
• 3324[19:05:09] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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• 3334[19:10:08] <enerluna> hi, i tried downloading gpg fingerprint for whonix (patrick) but i dont get a ket i get warning: no command supplied. trying to geuss what you mean
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• 3336[19:10:27] <greycat> !whonix
• 3337[19:10:27] <dpkg> Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. replaced-url
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• 3339[19:10:38] <enerluna> i did : gpg --fingerprint patrick.asc
• 3340[19:10:43] <enerluna> oeps
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• 3355[19:17:30] <random_numbers> If installed debian with encryption before on the same disk, you may also skip the zeroing step.
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• 3360[19:20:16] <mr__tea> if I use this debian to downloadsomething on the nfs share on another debian it goes pretty slow compared to downloading directly from the nfs share computer
• 3361[19:20:35] <mr__tea> is NFS that slow?
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• 3363[19:21:06] <mr__tea> a direct download would be at 5 megabytes/sec
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• 3366[19:21:19] <mr__tea> and now it is like from 0 kb/s to 700 kb/sec
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• 3369[19:21:46] <jelly> enerluna: what are you trying to do with that asc file?
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• 3371[19:21:52] <mr__tea> it is over wifi though
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• 3373[19:22:28] <jelly> enerluna: if you're running gpg on Debian we can try to help
• 3374[19:22:38] <enerluna> im running on debian
• 3375[19:22:50] <enerluna> jelly: im trying to get the key fingerprint
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• 3377[19:23:10] <jelly> enerluna: what does "gpg < patrick.asc" say?
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• 3381[19:24:24] <enerluna> jelly: i still get warning: no command supplied. trying to quess what you mean ...
• 3382[19:24:29] <enerluna> jelly: but now i see the fingerprint
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• 3386[19:25:25] <enerluna> jelly: the pub is also different but the key fingerprint is the same
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• 3390[19:27:10] <enerluna> jelly: the pgp key is also different that is should be i download via comand prom so thats kind of weird
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• 3395[19:32:26] <LtL> enerluna: gpg --fingerprint shows all fingerprints on your keyring -OR- gpg --fingerprint <key-id>
• 3396[19:33:08] <enerluna> LtL: so if it is wrong what do i do?
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• 3399[19:33:43] <LtL> enerluna: revoke it and generate a new one.
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• 3401[19:34:11] <enerluna> can i sent the command i used for dowloading it?
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• 3403[19:34:50] <jelly> enerluna: are you actually trying to verify some image you downloaded?
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• 3405[19:35:08] <LtL> enerluna: how do you download your key, you have it locally when you generate it
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• 3407[19:35:18] <jelly> !goal
• 3408[19:35:18] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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• 3411[19:36:13] <enerluna> my goal is to run whonix workstation and gate away
• 3412[19:36:42] <LtL> enerluna: you 'can' download the pubkey off a keyserver, but you had to put it there in the first place.
• 3413[19:37:05] <greycat> enerluna: whonix is not supported here. Go to their support channel on OFTC.
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• 3472[20:01:21] <Kunda_> how do I get apt-get to install the latest git development version of a package? for example the equivalent of `pip3 install --user --upgrade git+replaced-url
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• 3481[20:03:55] <annadane> Kunda_, replaced-url
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• 3483[20:05:09] <user__93459> replaced-url
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• 3491[20:08:08] <jelly> greycat: they're apparently not running whonix yet. I _think_ they're trying to verify a download, on Debian
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• 3495[20:08:48] <greycat> sounds like a job for md5sum or sha1sum or whatever openssl command is required, depending on which hash algorithm is required
• 3496[20:08:57] <jelly> or gpg.
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• 3498[20:09:12] <greycat> Ugh, god.
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• 3500[20:09:35] <greycat> where do you start your chain of trust...
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• 3503[20:10:13] <jelly> eh, TOFU is better than nothing
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• 3515[20:14:52] <Kunda_> annadane, thanks
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• 3519[20:15:21] <nix64bit> we should use plants to encrypt
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• 3521[20:15:42] <brick> new install, X works, when i hit ctrl-alt-fn to get to the consoles i just get the graphical login prompt again. are my consoles somehow disabled?
• 3522[20:16:08] <McErroneous> Hi, i installed Debian 6, and nitrogen wont set the wallpaper i choose... , anyone had similar problem ?
• 3523[20:16:10] <user__93459> brick: try hitting f3 instead of f1
• 3524[20:16:14] <brick> interesting catch-22, i want to configure X, can't run Xorg -configure until i can start X as root
• 3525[20:16:42] <brick> user__93459, wow, 1 and 2 were dead ends, but 3 works! thank you for pointing out this sorcery.
• 3526[20:16:54] <nix64bit> ctl alt f2
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• 3531[20:19:06] <peterrooney> why does gtk option "GtkWidget-window-dragging" even exist? i mean, really, how many users does GNOME think run gtk programs without a window manager.
• 3532[20:20:20] <jhutchins> brick: Why do you need a configuration for X?
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• 3537[20:21:06] <brick> jhutchins, i need to define the compose key to type Spanish accents
• 3538[20:21:34] <brick> xorg.conf: Option "XkbOptions" "compose:ralt" # how i have it on another machine
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• 3543[20:24:15] <brick> gdm3 is crashing my machine
• 3544[20:24:26] <brick> reminding me why i never used it...
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• 3546[20:24:52] <jhutchins> brick: You can always just copy the xorg.conf from the other machine via scp/rsync.
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• 3548[20:26:08] <jhutchins> brick: Why can't you run X as root?
• 3549[20:26:24] <iderik> why is version of clang so far behind in Debian? its 3.8 in official repo, but 6.0 is has been released. i mean, isnt it a quite popular compiler? i was thinking of trying out clang's module system for c++
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• 3554[20:27:16] <brick> jhutchins, it'll work as soon as i manage to stop gdm from respawning. /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop says it works but does not do so.
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• 3556[20:28:02] <brick> OK, got it. not sure why last round it was fucking up.
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• 3560[20:29:29] <jhutchins> brick: systemctl
• 3561[20:29:37] <jhutchins> brick: multiuser.target
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• 3564[20:30:20] <brick> jhutchins, i guess init.d is deprecated? but it says it works "(via systemctl)"
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• 3582[20:33:58] <awal1> I still don't understand why if only one DM is installed "something" force it's load even if (DM) it is masked/disabled
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• 3584[20:34:20] <somiaj> !nodm
• 3585[20:34:21] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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• 3587[20:34:37] <brick> if gnome-core depends on gdm3 being installed, what is the right way to permanently disable gdm?
• 3588[20:34:45] <awal1> somiaj, that's not the answer :P
• 3589[20:34:58] <brick> yes, similar question
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• 3591[20:35:11] <gloops> how to install hexchat on debian?
• 3592[20:35:59] <n4dir> apt-get install hexchat
• 3593[20:36:16] <awal1> brick, solution I found: install another DM then you can disable them both. something light: wdm - slim - sddm without breeze theme
• 3594[20:36:18] <somiaj> awal1: because this is done with systemd targets, it is the graphical.target (the default) which is launching the display manager, not the service for the display manager.
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• 3596[20:36:24] <brick> thanks somiaj and jh001
• 3597[20:36:27] <brick> oops jhutchins
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• 3599[20:36:43] <somiaj> awal1: so as the bot said, the reason is you need to change your target to multi-user.target if you don't want a display manager to load.
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• 3601[20:36:57] <brick> nice awal1. i am trying the "false" in that config file
• 3602[20:37:08] <somiaj> or you could just set the display manager to false in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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• 3607[20:38:11] <brick> now i see four bright red [FAILED] Failed to start gdm....
• 3608[20:38:21] <gloops> n4dir, permission denied - are you root?
• 3609[20:38:31] <awal1> somiaj, ok, good, thanks for your useful info. i will try /etc/X11... suggestion
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• 3614[20:38:57] <awal1> i havent learned dpkg bot info, i thought it was talking about nodm only
• 3615[20:39:07] <somiaj> brick: did you do anything else besides put false in the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager?
• 3616[20:39:28] <somiaj> awal1: it mentions various ways to have nodm, including the nodm way.
• 3617[20:39:45] <brick> somiaj, well, a CR...
• 3618[20:39:46] <somiaj> the services should check that file and if they are not set in it, nicely exit, not fail.
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• 3623[20:40:55] <awal1> somiaj, ok, i just use startx but i always have wdm but i want it disabled, just have it if any...(sid machine)
• 3624[20:41:19] <somiaj> awal1: you could also change your target as suggested.
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• 3627[20:42:04] <awal1> yeah, i'll check it, still new many systemd stuff for me
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• 3629[20:42:12] <greycat> Funny how the paradigm went from "run level 2 vs 5" to "screw run levels, just remove/disable the service" back to "run lev-- I mean target graphical vs. multi-user"
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• 3636[20:43:07] <brick> greycat, in my book this was progress -- it finally became about what the user(s) want
• 3637[20:43:24] <greycat> What do the users want?
• 3638[20:43:41] <user__93459> to not even have to know what an init program is
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• 3642[20:44:05] <brick> greycat, the last choice in your list is about use, the others are technical details
• 3643[20:44:22] <greycat> huh? they are all different ways to achieve the same goal.
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• 3645[20:44:43] <greycat> except the first way and the latest way are the same with different spellings, and the one in the middle is different.
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• 3650[20:45:55] <brick> one user wants a graphical login, another user wants to turn it off. noone wants a runlevel.
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• 3655[20:46:47] <n4dir> i sure didn't want it ...
• 3656[20:46:54] <greycat> You don't see that "graphical.target" and "multi-user.target" are just run levels with more verbose names?
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• 3658[20:47:59] <brick> sure, but that's the part i don't want to have to know. the technical details that are not about use cases.
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• 3660[20:48:44] <brick> people who love memorizing trivia may be fine with non-human names, but they are a minority of computer users
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• 3662[20:49:06] <brick> so the choice of the names and metaphors is very significant to our ability to interact
• 3663[20:49:10] <brick> </rant>
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• 3665[20:50:56] <jhutchins> brick: The majority of computers don't want to learn how the system works. There are a couple of systems for them, OSX and Windows.
• 3666[20:51:01] <greycat> So you like run levels as long as they have verbose names.
• 3667[20:51:15] <greycat> That's fine. Not saying that's wrong. Just trying to figure our what your position is.
• 3668[20:51:20] <awal1> I guess 95% of users (windows, mac, gnu-linux) want an OS that just works; probably gnu/linux users are more conscious and more intereste on technical stuff compared to W$ and Mac, as jhutchins says
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• 3670[20:51:41] <jhutchins> brick: Linux is for people who want to learn in order to have control.
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• 3673[20:52:24] <user__93459> i am an example of a user that wants a dead simple "get stuff done" system, but also care deeply about open source, which is the reason I insist on linux even though it gives me problems almost daily
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• 3675[20:52:57] <brick> thanks user__93459, me too
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• 3677[20:53:20] <jhutchins> brick: Think of where you'd be if you were on Windows. You'd probably be looking at a reinstall as your only option.
• 3678[20:53:38] <awal1> same here, I want to have a general idea about how things works but I don't want to know how to build linux :P
• 3679[20:54:07] <phogg> named run levels was one of the only things about systemd that made complete sense
• 3680[20:54:28] <brick> greycat, verbosity is not useful in itself. rather we want to make the mental model people need to operate the system easy to acquire. part of that may be the use of natural language....
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• 3684[20:55:43] <n4dir> btw, with systemd i don't get any boot mesages anymore. I guess it ain't possible to turn them back on?
• 3685[20:55:57] <jhutchins> I think it's not a good metaphore to compare systemd targets with runlvels. They are very different things that just happen to have similar consequences.
• 3686[20:56:18] <brick> greycat, remember what Donald Norman wrote about an object that "provides the critical clues required for its proper operation."
• 3687[20:56:32] <phogg> jhutchins: both provide a way to define a set of daemons to execute or things to otherwise run.
• 3688[20:57:44] <awal1> n4dir, all boot process messages?
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• 3690[20:57:57] <n4dir> yes.
• 3691[20:58:15] <awal1> well, edit your cmd line , remove quiet
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• 3693[20:58:21] <jelly> n4dir: for a start, remove the "quiet" boot parameter from /etc/default/grub, run update-grub
• 3694[20:58:49] <jhutchins> phogg: Yes, but the internal mechanism is completely different, as is the idea of selecting what runs.
• 3695[20:58:54] <awal1> but that will be too much verbose, n4dir
• 3696[20:59:24] <phogg> jhutchins: I don't view that as important. How it works doesn't make it wrong to compare equivalent mechanisms for obtaining a result.
• 3697[20:59:35] <awal1> if you want something similsr to sysvinit verbosity, you can edit i don't remember whch systemd file exactly
• 3698[20:59:39] <awal1> n4dir
• 3699[20:59:41] <n4dir> so it is not related to systemd but to a new default for grub?
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• 3701[21:00:15] <awal1> google it a bit
• 3702[21:00:22] <awal1> i did it for jessie
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• 3704[21:01:04] <awal1> 'quit' have always been there, it is systemd related, i believe
• 3705[21:01:12] <awal1> quiet
• 3706[21:01:32] <greycat> wooledg:~$ grep quiet /etc/default/grub
• 3707[21:01:32] <greycat> #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
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• 3709[21:02:47] <jelly> awal1: it's not systemd related, at least not directly
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• 3711[21:03:06] <n4dir> ROOT# grep quiet /media/disk/etc/default/grub || echo "none there"
• 3712[21:03:06] <n4dir> none there
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• 3714[21:03:13] <awal1> jelly, i guess yeah, i don't really know the details
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• 3716[21:03:52] <greycat> n4dir: then you're not on Debian, or it's a VERY old Debian, or you've modified that file.
• 3717[21:04:02] <n4dir> jessie.
• 3718[21:04:07] <jelly> or not using grub!
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• 3731[21:08:13] <n4dir> am booting the laptop, thats what i asked about, and give "remove quiet" a try
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• 3733[21:08:47] <rakor> Hey there. Are there any unfree Browsers in the official repo? Like Chrome oder Vivaldi?
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• 3736[21:09:18] <greycat> google-chrome is not distributed by Debian; it has its own repository hosted by Google
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• 3738[21:10:01] <rakor> Hmmm... not that nice... THanks for your answer
• 3739[21:10:02] <n4dir> yup,that looks better. thanks everyone
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• 3744[21:12:06] <n4dir> next question: the laptop was not connected to the internet. If i poweroff, i get messages about " a stop job is running" or such. How can i poweroff immediatly
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• 3748[21:13:06] <jhutchins> n4dir: That's a known glitch with certain implementations of apci. It's safe to just hit the power switch at that point.
• 3749[21:13:15] <n4dir> jhutchins: thanks.
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• 3751[21:13:19] <annadane> ^ TIL
• 3752[21:13:28] <jhutchins> n4dir: You can try the "halt" or "poweroff" commands, although they're usually just aliased to shutdown.
• 3753[21:13:39] <jhutchins> n4dir: Next kernel update should clear that.
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• 3755[21:13:49] <annadane> now i'm excited.
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• 3757[21:13:57] <n4dir> not a biggie, only as i am asking right now anyway .
• 3758[21:14:30] <n4dir> i did "ctrl + C", but am not sure if it was of any use (sure not immediatly)
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• 3768[21:17:58] <jhutchins> n4dir: Sometimes something like a dead NFS connection can do that too.
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• 3774[21:18:32] <user__93459> chrome is basically just download the deb from google and do a dpkg -i on it
• 3775[21:18:53] <n4dir> I use the laptop mainly to watch youtube videos (so there is not much installed ... ). But thanks for the info
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• 3778[21:19:04] <awal1> n4dir, for your boot verbosity question, I think I found what I did in the past: edit /etc/systemd/system.conf and uncomment #LogLevel=info and change info by debug (LogLevel=debug). you will get boot message like with sysvinit
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• 3780[21:19:19] <n4dir> thansk awal1
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• 3786[21:19:49] <user__93459> gdebi will also install debs graphically if that's your cup of tea
• 3787[21:20:04] <somiaj> I think newer apts can be run on .deb files too
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• 3789[21:20:37] <awal1> thanks to replaced-url
• 3790[21:20:56] <n4dir> lol. well: thanks for doing the work for me.
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• 3792[21:21:09] <annadane> installating .deb from third party websites comes with risks
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• 3794[21:21:37] <user__93459> definitely
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• 3796[21:22:01] <awal1> n4dir, let us know if that solves your question :P
• 3797[21:22:02] <n4dir> there is chromium in the debian repos, but i don't know more about it.
• 3798[21:22:25] <greycat> A *lot* of people use the google-chrome package, though, so it's fairly safe.
• 3799[21:22:30] <n4dir> awal1: removing quiet was already ok. Later i will try the other solution.
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• 3802[21:23:14] <awal1> removing quiet is too much verbosity for me :P
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• 3806[21:24:51] <n4dir> before i saw a black screen, and then the login screen. That was a bit odd.
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• 3809[21:26:05] <annadane> i suppose it's too idealistic for every website to just have a tar
• 3810[21:26:13] <n4dir> probably mainly a question of what one is used to ...
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• 3813[21:26:32] <cjdaq> hi
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• 3815[21:26:37] <cjdaq> anyone experience with Xen?
• 3816[21:26:40] <jhutchins> n4dir: I boot so seldom... Pressing esc while it's booting will show boot messages on some systems (RHEL).
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• 3818[21:26:42] <annadane> !anyone
• 3819[21:26:42] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 3822[21:26:57] <cjdaq> Is Xen better than Virtualbox?
• 3823[21:27:11] <n4dir> !best
• 3824[21:27:12] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 3825[21:27:14] <cjdaq> So far I used virtualbox.. looking if there is something better
• 3826[21:27:14] <n4dir> :-)
• 3827[21:27:15] <somiaj> cjdaq: depends on what you want to achieve.
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• 3829[21:27:29] <cjdaq> virtual machines... i want something that won't make my compuer slow
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• 3831[21:27:38] <cjdaq> i used 2 machines with virtualbox and it was slow
• 3832[21:27:41] <cjdaq> i have 16gb ram
• 3833[21:27:47] <annadane> what the HELL is that factoid.
• 3834[21:27:50] <somiaj> cjdaq: qemu-kvm is my prefered. But if using a lot of windows vms, virtual box dose have some nice enchaments for that.
• 3835[21:28:01] <cjdaq> FACTOID?
• 3836[21:28:20] <annadane> "factoid" is what dpkg said
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• 3838[21:28:34] <cjdaq> maybe is there a way to save memory in debian to use virtualmachines better?
• 3839[21:28:37] <greywolf77> !alice
• 3840[21:28:38] <dpkg> Who the fuck is Alice?
• 3841[21:28:50] <cjdaq> does anyone have any idea about debian vs windows comparsion about memory management?
• 3842[21:28:53] <greycat> She talks to Bob a lot.
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• 3844[21:29:07] <user__93459> memory in debian is managed by the linux kernel
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• 3846[21:29:29] <cjdaq> so it's not related to here or?
• 3847[21:29:34] <somiaj> cjdaq: there is a lot going on. What was slow about the machines? Did you install guest addons? Were you using hardware or software emulation, etc.
• 3848[21:29:59] <greycat> !factinfo alice
• 3849[21:30:00] <dpkg> alice -- created by tackat <Tackat@Charybdis.suse.de> at Sat Jun 24 14:57:19 2000 (6320 days); it has been requested 29 times, last by greywolf77, 1m 21s ago.
• 3850[21:30:08] <greycat> Man, that's an old one.
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• 3852[21:30:30] <cjdaq> somiaj: i ran 2 machines (windows server and windows ) just to experience.. and my computer was slow so when i move mouse it was really slow
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• 3854[21:30:44] <cjdaq> also i had many tabs on browser opened so it maybe affect but still..
• 3855[21:31:07] <cjdaq> does anyone have any experience ? I want to ran at least 3 or 4 machines and without stucks
• 3856[21:31:23] <cjdaq> and when i create a machine in virualbox i dont configure it much
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• 3860[21:31:59] <user__93459> cjdaq: did you increase the amount of memory alloted to the virtual machine in the virtualbox settings
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• 3862[21:32:28] <n4dir> as far i know virtual machines can't use more memory than you give to them, via configuration. Perhaps the problem is rather the CPU?
• 3863[21:32:30] <cjdaq> user__93459: what do you mean
• 3864[21:32:32] <jhutchins> cjdaq: I've run vbox on Windows with very satisfactory Linux VM performance, running two VMs at a time. It's a pretty hot laptop though.
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• 3868[21:32:53] <cjdaq> jhutchins: i am running on my laptop too. that's my computer
• 3869[21:32:54] <user__93459> replaced-url
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• 3873[21:32:59] <greywolf77> !alice
• 3874[21:32:59] <dpkg> Who the fuck is Alice?
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• 3876[21:33:04] <jhutchins> cjdaq: linux memory management is completely different from Windows'.
• 3877[21:33:11] <greywolf77> !alice
• 3878[21:33:12] <dpkg> Who the fuck is Alice?
• 3879[21:33:24] <jhutchins> !vbox
• 3880[21:33:24] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see replaced-url
• 3881[21:33:26] <annadane> greywolf77, stop
• 3882[21:33:26] <cjdaq> jhutchins: but do you know if windows is better at memory management?
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• 3884[21:33:40] <jhutchins> cjdaq: I would say no.
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• 3889[21:34:02] <cjdaq> ok
• 3890[21:34:02] <jhutchins> cjdaq: It's subjective, and depends on what you're doing with them.
• 3891[21:34:14] <cjdaq> just use it?
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• 3893[21:34:17] <user__93459> virtualbox machines are going to be painfully slow if you don't give them enough memory, CPU, etc. to work with
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• 3895[21:34:43] <jhutchins> Conversely, if you "over subscribe" your RAM and start swapping, things will be slow.
• 3896[21:34:49] <cjdaq> user__93459: the main problem i had was that i gave them memory but the computer respond slow to actions like moving mouse
• 3897[21:35:16] <cjdaq> on htop i have 9GB memory used of 15.6GB and swp 0K/15.9G
• 3898[21:35:23] <cjdaq> and i am running windows 10 machine atm
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• 3900[21:35:36] <n4dir> seems like no one is willing to my theory that CPU might be the problem ...
• 3901[21:35:47] <cjdaq> i want to run linux machine for use it without stucks
• 3902[21:36:00] <cjdaq> i mean i want to run linux machine in addition without stucks..
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• 3904[21:36:14] <cjdaq> n4dir: cpu the problem? how so? where is it
• 3905[21:36:16] <user__93459> well if you're trying to run a vm on a celeron or something (not saying you are, but yea the CPU could be a problem)
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• 3909[21:36:50] <cjdaq> so
• 3910[21:36:51] <n4dir> htop will show you CPU usage, but probably there are better tools
• 3911[21:36:57] <cjdaq> which?
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• 3913[21:37:21] <cjdaq> and question is if i use other / alternative to virtualbox can it work better? I want to run linux for example kali linux (or archlinux)
• 3914[21:37:30] <jhutchins> cjdaq: Mine's a 16G i7/ssd
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• 3919[21:38:01] <cjdaq> jhutchins: mine is 16GB ram too and i7 too with HQ but no SSD
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• 3921[21:38:14] <cjdaq> so any one have any tips, suggestions ?
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• 3925[21:38:55] <jhutchins> cjdaq: Take a look at dpkg's links, /msg dpkg <factoid>, check #vbox for tuning tips.
• 3926[21:39:10] <n4dir> folks i know recommend qemu (kvm ?), but i can't confirm it is more easy on ressources (but then: i really got crappy hardware)
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• 3929[21:39:23] <jhutchins> n4dir: Does it run on Windows?
• 3930[21:39:24] <cjdaq> is Xen or other better than virtualbox?
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• 3932[21:39:27] <user__93459> my hardware doesn't even support virtualization
• 3933[21:39:29] <user__93459> lol
• 3934[21:39:38] <n4dir> jhutchins: pretty sure i gave it a try, but i wouldn't bet
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• 3937[21:40:09] <jhutchins> cjdaq: I know I got much better performance with vbox vs. VMWare Player.
• 3938[21:40:31] <n4dir> jhutchins: but which one is better? Vbox?
• 3939[21:40:37] <cjdaq> jhutchins: how much virtual machines can you run without computer be slow and not stuck?
• 3940[21:40:42] <jhutchins> n4dir: "Better" depends on what you're doing. Multiple programs exist because some are better at one thing, others better at something else.
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• 3942[21:41:00] <jhutchins> cjdaq: I don't know; I've run two or three without noticible problems.
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• 3944[21:41:11] <n4dir> yeah, but you said: better performance. I didn't get which one you mean
• 3945[21:41:16] <cjdaq> may you tell which macahines?
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• 3947[21:41:45] <jhutchins> RHEL7, Centos 6, Debian stretch & jessie.
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• 3952[21:42:14] <cjdaq> how much memory do i need to give for kali linux?
• 3953[21:42:14] <user__93459> you said the mouse was acting up in the VM right? sometimes if I switch the input device in the settings from touchpad to PS/2 it works a lot better
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• 3957[21:42:53] <cjdaq> user__93459: i mean my mouse was slow like to make it normal was only to close programs or turn off vm
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• 3960[21:43:16] <user__93459> ok so it is actually a performance issue :)
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• 3968[21:43:58] <cjdaq> jhutchins: may you tell me some settings?
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• 3970[21:44:20] <cjdaq> did you change something on the machine settings after create a machine?
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• 3974[21:44:49] <jhutchins> Looks like one CPU, 1G ram, 8-32G disk.
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• 3979[21:45:26] <jhutchins> cjdaq: Did you say you had the guest tools installed?
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• 4017[21:57:45] <sigmoidfreed> hi, i run debian with open box, i'd like to use a psf font in my terminal emulator, iam willing to change to another emulator if necessary, any idea please ?
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• 4099[22:32:18] <user__93459> ugh my printer's ip address keeps changing -_-
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• 4108[22:36:37] <somiaj> user__93459: use your router to assign a static ip address to the printers mac address?
• 4109[22:37:06] <user__93459> we've got one of those ISPs that doesn't like you poking around in their rental routers so that might be easier said than done
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• 4112[22:38:02] <somiaj> some printers allow you to configure a static ip
• 4113[22:39:25] <greycat> yeah, configuring printer IPs in the DHCP server is the most common way
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• 4119[22:41:14] <mtu_> hi. i want to automount some crypt devices at boot *if present*. i've set timeout=1 in crypttab and x-systemd.device-timeout=1 in fstab, but the system still waits 90s. how to correct this?
• 4120[22:41:34] <mtu_> (key in crypttab, so no password entry)
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• 4124[22:43:56] <awal1> system.conf doesn't exist in /etc/systemd/
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• 4126[22:44:25] <awal1> it was in jessie, but not in stretch/buster
• 4127[22:44:37] <awal1> well, not really sure
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• 4129[22:45:17] <awal1> one can just create it?
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• 4133[22:46:18] <jhutchins> LunaSela: Serious problems with software that old is to be expected.
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• 4139[22:50:12] <mtu_> answering my own question: "x-systemd.device-timout=" is actually on option you must put into crypttab. it's ugly as well as unintuitive! \o/
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• 4141[22:51:05] <DammitJim> you know how when you connect to a server using ssh and you have never connected to it before.. it asks you to accept the ssh key?
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• 4143[22:51:18] <LunaSela> jhutchins: Well it is old hardware. Running jessie or stretch did not work out too, but wheezy LTS worked until recent Xen updates
• 4144[22:51:20] <DammitJim> how can I give this ssh key to a user so that they aren't prompted
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• 4147[22:51:42] <mtu_> DammitJim: they are kept in ~/.ssh/known_hosts
• 4148[22:51:45] <DammitJim> I'm replacing a server
• 4149[22:51:57] <greycat> connect to that server on your own account, accept the key, then copy (append) the resulting lines from your .ssh/known_hosts into the target user's file.
• 4150[22:52:05] <DammitJim> mtu_, yes, I've seen that.. is it good enough to just copy the line?
• 4151[22:52:13] <mtu_> DammitJim: should be, like greycat says.
• 4152[22:52:24] <greycat> Better yet, copy the OLD server's host keys to the NEW (replacement) server.
• 4153[22:52:26] <DammitJim> greycat, oh, so I should move my known_hosts to a backup file
• 4154[22:52:28] <DammitJim> then accept it
• 4155[22:52:33] <DammitJim> and then send that file?
• 4156[22:52:36] <DammitJim> oh, duh for me
• 4157[22:52:42] <DammitJim> I'll just test this
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• 4159[22:52:55] <DammitJim> greycat, oh, now you are getting nasty
• 4160[22:53:00] <DammitJim> where do I get that from?
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• 4165[22:53:48] <greycat> the host keys are in /etc/ssh/ if it's a Debian system
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• 4167[22:53:56] <DammitJim> yeah, debian
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• 4171[22:54:49] <DammitJim> thanks
• 4172[22:54:56] <DammitJim> duh for me for such a simple solution
• 4173[22:55:12] <DammitJim> I don't know why I started thinking about running commands to export it and then having to import it on the other systems
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• 4178[22:55:51] <DammitJim> interestingly enough, there are 2 lines in the known_hosts
• 4179[22:55:53] <DammitJim> is that normal?
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• 4184[22:58:10] <greycat> Yes, one for the hostname and one for the IP.
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• 4187[22:58:48] <DammitJim> thanks! Wow, I've learned something new
• 4188[22:59:13] <DammitJim> I wonder if the entries will look different if I ssh to the server from outside my network
• 4189[22:59:55] <greycat> ssh only cares what hostname you type to connect, and what IP address it gets when it looks up that hostname
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• 4196[23:02:11] <DammitJim> oh ok, so it's about hostname (myftpserver), not the host (myftpserver.dammit.com)
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• 4200[23:04:12] <mutante> DammitJim: both are hostnames, just short and long. hostname -s vs hostname -f
• 4201[23:04:29] <DammitJim> mutante, but which one does ssh care about?
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• 4205[23:05:26] <DammitJim> I was going to send the lines from my known_hosts file to my customer, but I realized that I am connecting locally to that server vs from outside our network (the host is different in DNS out on the internet)
• 4206[23:06:03] <mutante> DammitJim: if you give it the short one it will first look for a match in .ssh/config and if it finds one it will use the config options for that
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• 4209[23:06:46] <DammitJim> dammit... I think greycat had it figured out
• 4210[23:06:47] <mutante> i think besides that it will look in /etc/resolv.conf for a "Search" line to try and complete the missing part to get to a fully qualified name
• 4211[23:06:52] <DammitJim> I should probably just reuse the same key
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• 4217[23:08:51] <DammitJim> shoot... the server I'm replacing is actually running Red Hat and it's super old
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• 4220[23:09:05] <DammitJim> it only has dsa and rsa keys
• 4221[23:09:19] <mutante> then rsa
• 4222[23:09:27] <DammitJim> I wonder if the key strength is different
• 4223[23:09:34] <DammitJim> and I'm going to screw up the new Debian Jessie server
• 4224[23:09:45] <mutante> DammitJim: dsa keys are deprecated
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• 4226[23:09:49] <FinalX> that's not necessarily an indication that it's _really_ old though :) either way, dsa won't work with new debian versions
• 4227[23:09:50] <DammitJim> oh, the new one also has ecdsa
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• 4229[23:10:04] <mutante> DammitJim: if it starts with 'ec' that's good :)
• 4230[23:10:09] <mutante> elliptic curve
• 4231[23:10:22] <DammitJim> the problem is that the old server doesn't have anything with ec
• 4232[23:10:31] <DammitJim> and I'm trying to give my customers the key
• 4233[23:10:33] <mutante> yea, but you are replacing it, right
• 4234[23:10:40] <mutante> oh
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• 4236[23:11:23] <mutante> DammitJim: well then you gotta use RSA
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• 4239[23:12:05] <FinalX> rsa is supported by pretty much anything. dsa isn't (stretch and xenial don't), and ecdsa isn't on older openssh versions and some other ssh software stuff.
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• 4242[23:13:56] <DammitJim> is that driven by the client or the server?
• 4243[23:14:08] <DammitJim> meaning... what key will I receive when I connect to the server?
• 4244[23:14:15] <DammitJim> I need to send that key to my customers
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• 4246[23:14:37] <FinalX> you would put the ssh key fingerprints in the dns with SSHFP-records
• 4247[23:14:45] <mutante> DammitJim: client and server must agree on something they both support
• 4248[23:14:47] <FinalX> and it depends on the software both sides are running
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• 4252[23:15:25] <DammitJim> ugh
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• 4254[23:15:40] <DammitJim> I wonder what parameter in my sshd_config says what it supports
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• 4256[23:16:03] <DammitJim> what is this called so I can google it... encryption? rsa vs dsa vs ecd..?
• 4257[23:16:10] <mutante> DammitJim: connect with ssh -vvvv and you can see more details about that
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• 4259[23:16:31] <DammitJim> mutante, but that's not something defined in my sshd_config?
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• 4261[23:17:18] <mutante> DammitJim: it can be, but most of the time it uses defaults
• 4262[23:17:21] <DammitJim> oh gosh, and I just remembered that this is for sftp
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• 4267[23:18:15] <mutante> DammitJim: just use RSA and a default sshd and things should be fine
• 4268[23:18:26] <mutante> there is more than one thing if you _really_ want to know though
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• 4273[23:19:17] <DammitJim> mutante, I did ssh -vvvv and there is a ton of stuff...
• 4274[23:19:22] <DammitJim> id_rsa but for the client
• 4275[23:19:26] <mutante> key exchange algorithm (config line starting with "KexAlgorithms" and the one starting with "Ciphers"
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• 4277[23:20:04] <DammitJim> oh gosh, that's a different problem
• 4278[23:20:13] <DammitJim> there is no such thing defined on my sshd_config
• 4279[23:20:17] <DammitJim> I'll have to read up on this
• 4280[23:20:18] <DammitJim> thank you!
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• 4284[23:20:34] <mutante> DammitJim: just give your customers an RSA key, only get into this if you have to and they have any problems connecting :)
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• 4286[23:20:54] <DammitJim> mutante, I'm supposed to give them the key if they have a problem
• 4287[23:20:57] <FinalX> DammitJim: you're talking about the host keys, right? I'd copy over and configure both the RSA and DSA (sshd will probably ignore or complain about the DSA being configured), and create an ECDSA. then put the SSHFP-records in DNS for the machine
• 4288[23:21:04] <DammitJim> I don't want to have a problem with my backup plan LOL
• 4289[23:21:18] <FinalX> ok but what kind of key are you giving them? to login to an account on the server?
• 4290[23:21:34] <mutante> that's what i assumed this is about
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• 4293[23:21:42] <DammitJim> FinalX, we are talking about the key you get from an SSH server when you try to connect to it for the first time
• 4294[23:21:45] <FinalX> there's the server identification keys (of which they'd want to know the fingerprint so they know they're connecting to the real thing), and there's client keys you can use to login to accounts with
• 4295[23:21:48] <DammitJim> and it gets added to your known_hosts
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• 4297[23:22:03] <DammitJim> FinalX, yes, the server id keys... that's what we are talking about
• 4298[23:22:05] <mutante> oooh,, slight misunderstanding then. do what FinalX says :)
• 4299[23:22:16] <DammitJim> thanks for clarifying the terminology
• 4300[23:22:24] <koollman> DammitJim: so, give they all public host keys
• 4301[23:22:25] <FinalX> ok that's the server identification key, and what they would want is not the actual key (because then anyone can pretend to be your server and cause man-in-the-middle attacks) but the fingerprint it asks you to confirm first time you connect
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• 4303[23:22:38] <DammitJim> right
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• 4305[23:22:45] <DammitJim> koollman, what file do I have to give them, then?
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• 4307[23:23:08] <koollman> DammitJim: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*pub, typically
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• 4309[23:23:12] <FinalX> and that fingerprint you can store in a DNS-record of the type SSHFP, which openssh (and other) clients can use to automatically verify the identity of the server without the user having to confirm it manually
• 4310[23:23:16] <DammitJim> oh ok
• 4311[23:23:16] <DammitJim> thanks
• 4312[23:23:21] <DammitJim> that's why it's confusing googling this
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• 4314[23:23:26] <DammitJim> I don't know the right terms to search
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• 4316[23:23:41] <FinalX> ...bye? :)
• 4317[23:23:54] <mutante> areplaced-url
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• 4321[23:24:38] <koollman> FinalX: technically correct, but you would also want to setup dnssec. And have a redundant enough dns system :)
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• 4323[23:25:02] <FinalX> yeah, of course. but in any case they'd only need the fingerprint string and not the actual public key
• 4324[23:25:19] <FinalX> haven't met anyone that's actually using the public key for server identification
• 4325[23:25:29] <koollman> yes. But if they have the key, it does not matter which ssh client or tool they use
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• 4327[23:25:57] <koollman> Of course, that's assuming it matters. "are you sure you want to connect to this unknown server?" "yes". There. done. :)
• 4328[23:26:07] <FinalX> heh :)
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• 4330[23:26:17] <FinalX> I also often find myself just hitting enter / type "yes"
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• 4332[23:26:28] * FinalX doesn't use passwords to login to servers anyway
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• 4334[23:27:59] <mutante> sometimes people ask after we reinstalled a server "omg, the key changed, is this legit?" and then we send them to a wiki page that has the pasted fingerprints.. i guess it's the poor man's version of doing what you said and we should use the DNS records
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• 4337[23:28:29] <FinalX> heh :) we use some systems to keep our DNS updated with the SSHFP's and force checking in client configs
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• 4340[23:28:49] <FinalX> sometimes you have a new machine that somehow didn't get its first puppet runs yet, but still
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• 4342[23:29:43] <Shishire> I just rebooted (On stretch) and "Gnome on Wayland" is no longer an option in the login screen.
• 4343[23:29:56] <koollman> mutante: setting up the dns records is not too hard
• 4344[23:29:59] <Shishire> I tried "Gnome", but it just runs Xorg
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