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• 258[07:38:16] <rustyshackleford> so my grub is broken
• 259[07:38:32] <rustyshackleford> I grabbed the livecd download, got it booted up from a usb drive
• 260[07:38:45] <rustyshackleford> I cannot figure out how to just reinstall/fix grub
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• 263[07:42:27] <diogenes_> rustyshackleford, sudo chroot /your root partition
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• 265[07:43:00] <rustyshackleford> mhm and then?
• 266[07:43:11] <diogenes_> sudo mount --bind /dev
• 267[07:43:19] <rustyshackleford> this machine doesn't have internet access at the moment. ethernet cable is far away from my monitor
• 268[07:43:26] <rustyshackleford> long story
• 269[07:43:38] <diogenes_> sudo mount --bind /proc
• 270[07:43:51] <diogenes_> sudo mount --bind /sys
• 271[07:44:21] <rustyshackleford> I appreciate the help, but isn't there a tool that does all of this for me?
• 272[07:44:23] <diogenes_> try dpkg-reconfigure grub
• 273[07:44:47] <Mathisen> rustyshackleford, there is not.
• 274[07:45:00] <rustyshackleford> maybe I'm thinking of the ubuntu installer
• 275[07:45:13] <diogenes_> if you want automatic the use MX-Linux live usb
• 276[07:45:41] <diogenes_> it has boot recover tool.
• 277[07:45:42] <Mathisen> rustyshackleford, just folow this if you confused replaced-url
• 278[07:45:49] <rustyshackleford> this livecd doesn't even have dpkg-reconfigure
• 279[07:46:38] <rustyshackleford> Mathisen: nice. thanks, that seems helpufl
• 280[07:47:02] <rustyshackleford> why do you need to mount those 3 directories first? isn't all of the grub stuff in /boot?
• 281[07:47:03] <Mathisen> dont blindly run the commands keep in mind correct disks
• 282[07:47:20] <Mathisen> it has to do with chroot
• 283[07:47:24] <rustyshackleford> yeah gotcha. my linux skills are rusty
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• 285[07:47:31] <rustyshackleford> been a while since I've used chroot
• 286[07:47:48] <rustyshackleford> sort of debating if I should just start with a clean install
• 287[07:48:01] <rustyshackleford> server that's been unplugged for a while. I have no idea why grub would be broken
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• 289[07:49:42] <noord> rustyshackleford: may the disk are dying, bad sectors etc
• 290[07:50:07] <rustyshackleford> noord: its not THAT old
• 291[07:50:15] <rustyshackleford> I doubt it, but that thought crossed my mind
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• 293[07:50:27] <diogenes_> rustyshackleford, wait why you think grub is broken?
• 294[07:50:43] <rustyshackleford> diogenes_: because I land in grub rescue on boot
• 295[07:51:24] <diogenes_> sometimes you just need to run fsck /
• 296[07:52:14] <diogenes_> but you can attempt and start the system even from grub rescue.
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• 301[07:56:13] <rustyshackleford> Mathisen: ITS ALIVE!
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• 304[07:56:29] <rustyshackleford> so why was grub broken in the first place?
• 305[07:57:01] <Mathisen> do you dualboot ?
• 306[07:57:15] <rustyshackleford> nope. I leave this box on a shelf
• 307[07:57:30] <rustyshackleford> plugged into ethernet. its like a file/media server that doesn't get used much
• 308[07:57:41] <Mathisen> check logs then
• 309[07:57:45] <rustyshackleford> so I did some reorganizing. I had it unplugged for a month maybe?
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• 311[07:59:13] <rustyshackleford> Mathisen: which ones?
• 312[08:00:38] <Mathisen> dmesg is a good start
• 313[08:01:14] <rustyshackleford> I did let it lag behind in updates
• 314[08:01:22] <rustyshackleford> but still... grub shouldn't randomly break
• 315[08:01:32] <rustyshackleford> failed kernel update?
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• 325[08:08:20] <noord> rustyshackleford: every machine that is put onto shelf, there is a possibility not to start again, use machines actively
• 326[08:08:44] <rustyshackleford> Mathisen: dude... do you know how long I was working on this?
• 327[08:09:12] <rustyshackleford> thanks a bunch
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• 342[08:19:31] <rustyshackleford> next dumb question: my system is fairly out of date. how should I best update everything?
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• 349[08:22:39] <rustyshackleford> so I installed Buster in 2018. I guess its not that out of date
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• 351[08:24:54] <Mathisen> edit your sources.list and make sure you DONT have any 3.rd party repos the update
• 352[08:25:12] <Mathisen> then*
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• 354[08:25:41] <rustyshackleford> Mathisen: just sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade?
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• 357[08:27:00] <rustyshackleford> wondering if there's a "more comprehensive" way to update than that
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• 363[08:29:30] <noord> rustyshackleford: do not mess with it unless something is completely broken, Once I used the same version of OS 6 years from 2012 - 2018
• 364[08:29:48] <noord> it wasn't cutting edge but it is stable
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• 367[08:32:02] <NGC3982> how old?
• 368[08:32:13] <rustyshackleford> a year max
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• 370[08:35:03] <Mathisen> rustyshackleford, yes also apt full-upgrade
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• 379[08:40:45] <engys> I also directly tried ghostscript on buster to convert pdf to ps and it shows the same problem like pdf2ps -> it lose all embedded jpeg images
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• 383[08:42:05] <rustyshackleford> seems to have gone well
• 384[08:42:14] <rustyshackleford> woohoo. my server works again
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• 428[09:24:24] <veek> anyupdate to olwm/olvwm.. xfce replaced it but the functionality is lacking namely.. zoom with mplayer and vlc don't work.. I tried -zoom 2 -xy 4096 etc and all are capped by the window size whereas with olwm you could size the video to multiple desktops
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• 436[09:29:42] <rk4> any suggestions beyond the fancontrol package as to how i stop my fans spinning at a high speed even though the cpu is at 29C? (asus g14, 2020, linux 5.11 ...needed .11 for some stuff)
• 437[09:30:20] <veek> rk4, bios?
• 438[09:30:35] * rk4 thinks and doesn't recall seeing anything there
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• 440[09:31:11] <rk4> there is a sizable windows app that sets all these things, wonder if asus lazied out of adding bios functionality
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• 443[09:33:06] <rk4> ok maybe an easier question is in order...my debian host doesn't boot because systemd is trying to start ufw, which is apparently refusing
• 444[09:34:23] <rk4> its booted a few times and done this twice now, seems a little racy, will reboot a few times and see what happens
• 445[09:34:51] <rk4> then i'll purge ufw and replace it with a small nft script
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• 447[09:36:43] <rk4> the system, as is my preference, isn't configured to bring up any network interfaces automagically, so i think perhaps that relates to it hanging indefinitely
• 448[09:37:34] <rk4> ok that time it booted in less than a second after the cryptsetup prompt, speedy speedy
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• 454[09:40:07] <Lope> when running `sensors` any idea what acpitz-acpi-0 is?
• 455[09:40:41] <Lope> I've got temp1 26C and temp2 30C
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• 457[09:42:01] <Lope> Then I've got AUXTIN0: 35C
• 458[09:42:24] <Lope> Must be some random temperature sensors on my motherboard/RAM or whatever?
• 459[09:44:07] <Lope> Pretty amazing, even my intel wifi has a temperature sensor :)
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• 461[09:46:25] <Lope> my 5.10 kernel and lm-sensors doesn't seem to detect CPU temperature on Ryzen 5950X
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• 465[09:53:59] <Lope> Oh, my bad. The CPU temp is called k10temp-pci-00c3 by lm-sensors... :/
• 466[09:56:31] <Lope> I see some people running the zenpower kernel module, is that recommended?
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• 475[10:04:15] <darsie> How much of debian GNU/Linux is GNU?
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• 477[10:04:59] <darsie> I guess firefox is not GNU.
• 478[10:05:16] <darsie> or irssi.
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• 487[10:21:46] <avu> darsie: much of the core system, like libc, coreutils, bash, gcc
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• 492[10:28:25] <darsie> avu: Is that like 2%?
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• 495[10:30:47] <avu> darsie: the total number of packages isn't that interesting IMO, it's more about how central GNU packages are for the OS to work, if it's about "why are we calling it GNU/Linux"
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• 498[10:34:55] <ratrace> it's systemd/Linux now anyway. GNU is Not Usable any more....
• 499[10:35:02] <shtrb> word
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• 501[10:35:41] <shtrb> ratrace, Debian Gnu/Linux or Debian wsl/Linux but not Debian system/linux
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• 503[10:37:42] <shtrb> RIP gtk2 in debian
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• 507[10:39:13] <rk4> darsie: "some"
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• 510[10:48:44] <Lope> all your base are belong to systemd.
• 511[10:50:55] <darsie> replaced-url
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• 513[10:52:20] <[O-O]> i think i called devuan
• 514[10:52:25] <[O-O]> it
• 515[10:52:42] <darsie> replaced-url
• 516[10:52:52] <[O-O]> o
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• 519[10:57:53] <ratrace> Just because something _can_ be done doesn't mean it _should_ be done ;)
• 520[10:58:25] <darsie> Some think systemd shouldn't be.
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• 526[11:01:34] <ratrace> Thankfully it's a Free and Libre ecosystem where license permits those few, then, to run Devuan without systemd in sight!
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• 540[11:18:49] <Lope> The only thing that is constant, is change.
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• 543[11:21:25] <rk4> interesting, so it seems systemd through systemd-rfkill is disabling my wifi, but i don't really understand why it came to do such a thing, and i don't have rfkill installed either. thoughts?
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• 548[11:26:10] <rk4> hm, i had working wifi until systemd/ufw started hanging on boot. guessing something funky with iwlwifi :< ah well
• 549[11:26:21] * rk4 should buy an atheros dongle
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• 570[12:01:06] <shtrb> ratrace, the license allow it for *now*
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• 572[12:06:13] <ratrace> shtrb: technically correct, but practically ... it's unlikely things would change in any foreseeable future.
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• 579[12:16:00] <line17> sd card not working. debian doesn't recognize that. any idea?
• 580[12:17:13] <shtrb> define not recognize it
• 581[12:18:00] <line17> i cannot see in file manager left column
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• 584[12:19:19] <line17> in short i cannot access inside of it
• 585[12:20:26] <line17> i checked with lspci -v
• 586[12:20:27] <line17> 02:00.2 SD Host controller: JMicron Technology Corp. Standard SD Host Controller (prog-if 01)
• 587[12:21:23] <shtrb> Would you mind pasting to paste.debian.net output of dmesg after you plug the card in ?
• 588[12:21:42] <line17> sure. 1 min
• 589[12:23:03] <line17> shtrb, replaced-url
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• 592[12:27:53] <shtrb> Sound like a bad card or failure of the reader to read it
• 593[12:28:22] <shtrb> Check if you have write protect on the card, and drop it
• 594[12:29:31] <Miles8of9> i see debian 11 is freezing. As i have to reinstall my installation because the debian automated partitioning made a /boot partition too small (and you can't resize linux partitions), would it be a good choice to install bullseye instead in going for buster again and upgrade later?
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• 596[12:29:54] <shtrb> since when you can't resize parttions in linux ?
• 597[12:30:25] <Miles8of9> you can't resize /boot partition because it's ext2
• 598[12:30:53] <Miles8of9> you should delete partitions and create new ones of the correct size
• 599[12:30:57] <shtrb> WHAT ?!
• 600[12:31:13] <line17> shtrb, card reader and cars is working good in window
• 601[12:31:16] <line17> windows*
• 602[12:31:32] <Miles8of9> there is no partition magic for linux... you have fdisk
• 603[12:32:08] <Miles8of9> and /boot is a primary partition that makes things even harder
• 604[12:32:14] <shtrb> Miles8of9, you can resize an EXT2 parttion with no problem, you have several parttion mangment tools in debian and several for each of your DEs
• 605[12:32:55] <shtrb> A primiary parttion resize is the same in Windows and Debian , inrease the size of the parttion on MBR and resize the fs itself
• 606[12:33:24] <Miles8of9> fdisk has no option for that... Oo
• 607[12:33:31] <shtrb> that's not true
• 608[12:33:47] <shtrb> If you like you can use GUI apps like gdisk , or parttion manager
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• 611[12:35:51] <shtrb> Miles8of9, e2fsck + resize2fs are the command line tools, but I think you would find it easier to work with gparted or parttion manager
• 612[12:36:55] <shtrb> !tell Miles8of9 partitionmanager
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• 618[12:39:49] <maoma> Miles8of9, you can also try gparted which is GUI.
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• 621[12:40:31] <Miles8of9> i'm reading an article... replaced-url
• 622[12:41:08] <Miles8of9> and create a new smaller one
• 623[12:41:29] <shtrb> Miles8of9, A resize of a partition consistent of two actions , resizing the underlying block device and resizing FS itself
• 624[12:42:22] <shtrb> In GParted and partitionmanager the ui make it easier for you to do these actions
• 625[12:43:06] <Miles8of9> of course i need to do these things after booting form a live cd
• 626[12:43:50] <shtrb> Best when doing on live cd , not required if you have empty spot between your boot and next parttion
• 627[12:43:59] <shtrb> also backup before you do anything
• 628[12:44:21] <Miles8of9> i have no empty space between those partitions
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• 630[12:44:52] <Miles8of9> this is why i said i need to reinstall
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• 633[12:45:20] <shtrb> you can resize more then one parttion at once too
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• 637[12:51:31] <Miles8of9> there is something i don't understand...
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• 639[12:52:25] <Miles8of9> let's say i have a disk [partition a][partition b ]
• 640[12:52:47] <Miles8of9> i want it to become like [partition a ][partition b ]
• 641[12:53:31] <Miles8of9> if i resize partition b... all data written on portion b taken by a are lost
• 642[12:53:38] <shtrb> wrong
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• 644[12:54:49] <shtrb> You should first resize B (shrink), then you move the FS witin the block device , then you resize it (shrink it) - in gparted it would expressed as a single operation . then you increase A
• 645[12:55:13] <shtrb> you shrink the FS , move the FS and then resize the block device
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• 658[13:01:37] <jaggz> what's creating /tmp as a tmpfs ?
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• 661[13:01:57] <jaggz> fstab has a line, commented out #tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,size=400M 0 0
• 662[13:02:00] <line17> rebooted with sdcard and still same error
• 663[13:02:01] <line17> [ 505.815324] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
• 664[13:02:07] <line17> mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
• 665[13:02:07] <jaggz> it's a different fs than /
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• 667[13:02:32] <jaggz> mount shows it as: tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
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• 671[13:06:17] <stevecam> hey, i need a customised initram build, im trying to think of the best way to go about it, i need to be able to switch between two different initram's at boot time
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• 673[13:06:53] <ectospasm> stevecam: you'd probably want two different entries in your bootloader (probably GRUB2)
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• 676[13:08:10] <shtrb> line17, does it have the write protect enabled ?
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• 678[13:08:52] <line17> shtrb, no. it is a raspberry pi image sd card
• 679[13:09:02] <stevecam> i do, i know when things get updated everything gets regenerated, how does grub see new kernels and init's?
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• 681[13:10:27] <line17> shtrb, it worked now!
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• 684[13:11:48] <inviz> is it possible to boot existing installed OS into console mode?
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• 687[13:13:07] <shtrb> line17 that's odd
• 688[13:14:59] <inviz> on GRUB screen I am trying to press 'e' and at the end of the line that starts with linux add `console=ttyS0,115280`, but does not work
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• 690[13:16:11] <ectospasm> inviz: you probably want to disable your graphical display manager (DM).
• 691[13:16:19] <inviz> I do not have one.
• 692[13:16:59] <inviz> it is new install, for some reason the passwords I specified during install do not work. maybe it is my buggy HTML5 console on iLO. I want to login from serial console in ssh iLO session
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• 694[13:17:41] <ectospasm> I have no experience with iLO. All my out-of-band experience is with Dell iDRAC.
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• 697[13:18:13] <jelly> inviz, I'm not sure whether virtual serial on iLO presents as first (COM1, ttyS0) or second serial (COM2, ttyS1)
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• 699[13:18:18] <inviz> yes so I have done installer in serial mode before, and I think I seen articles before about booting existing installations into serial mode. from GRUB screen.
• 700[13:18:43] <jelly> inviz, java webstart console is a bit nicer than HTML5
• 701[13:19:19] <inviz> it involves a lot of hackery to make java and webstart work. forgot how it was done. it is an option however.
• 702[13:19:45] <inviz> I think I seen that it is possible to boot current installed OS into serial mode, or am I wrong?
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• 704[13:20:14] <jelly> you just need a JVM na javaws
• 705[13:20:25] <jelly> judd, v icedtea-netx
• 706[13:20:26] <judd> Package: icedtea-netx on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5.3-1; jessie-security: 1.5.3-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.6.2-3.1+deb9u1; buster: 1.7.2-2; bullseye: 1.8.4-1; sid: 1.8.4-1
• 707[13:20:39] <jelly> install that ^ to get javaws command
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• 709[13:22:56] <jelly> inviz, if you already have an installation wiki shows how to enable login prompt or serial , replaced-url
• 710[13:23:00] <jelly> on* serial
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• 712[13:23:42] <jelly> inviz, and if you boot without framebuffer, you should also be able to use "textcons" on iLO ssh
• 713[13:24:02] <jelly> but that's IME the worst option, even html5 is nicer
• 714[13:24:16] <jelly> !nofb
• 715[13:24:16] <dpkg> To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. replaced-url
• 716[13:25:58] <inviz> thanks but for that I need to login into linux .. all these commands
• 717[13:27:24] <jelly> yes. Do you have iLO Advanced license enabled?
• 718[13:27:53] <inviz> I cannot login because my passwords are incorrect. I reinstalled OS twice, and twice have same issue.
• 719[13:28:19] <inviz> I did verify my passwords in "clear text", they look OK. however cannot login after OS installation was finished. I suspect something wrong with HTML5 console.
• 720[13:28:24] <jelly> you can still boot to grub menu and set those kernel boot parameters for no fb
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• 722[13:28:42] <inviz> so either try java console, or try boot OS into serial mode and use textcons from iLO SSH.
• 723[13:29:18] <jelly> inviz, you can try to avoid characters that are in different places on US and your locale keyboard in the initial password?
• 724[13:29:40] <inviz> would it look like : linux /vmlinuz-4.19.....etc root=/dev/mapper...etc ro quiet console=ttyS0,115280 fb=false
• 725[13:29:41] <inviz> ?
• 726[13:29:59] <jelly> ... video=vga16:off
• 727[13:30:04] <jelly> fb=false is for the installer
• 728[13:30:36] <jelly> and get rid of "quiet" to see more things happening
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• 730[13:32:26] <jelly> and it's 115200 not 115280
• 731[13:32:35] <inviz> that did not work, still booted into 1027x768. but good thing, I can still use textcons
• 732[13:32:39] <jelly> but that doesn't matter for vga text console
• 733[13:32:43] <inviz> oh maybe that's why it didn't work
• 734[13:33:07] <inviz> anyway thanks for help, textcons still works. but it is bizzare why my passwords did not work. I did not use any special characters.
• 735[13:34:00] <inviz> input from non working textcons is still being sent into server :D
• 736[13:34:19] <jelly> depending on the browser, HTML5 can duuuupliccccate keypresses easily
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• 738[13:34:41] <jelly> yes, the console works you just don't see the screen
• 739[13:35:41] <inviz> I can login into rescue mode and fix passwords, probably, but that does not solve the issue I am having, there may be more of hidden surprised. I will have to keep digging.
• 740[13:35:43] <jelly> sadly IE ActiveX, then javaws, then the old Java Plugin, would have been the most reliable options
• 741[13:36:14] <jelly> if you have a VM with windows and old IE11 you can try that
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• 743[13:36:44] <jelly> javaws is probably the best option from a linux client
• 744[13:36:52] <inviz> will try that.
• 745[13:37:08] <inviz> will have to forward a lot of ports as well as it is behind the firewalls.
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• 748[13:39:07] <jelly> oh dear
• 749[13:39:36] <jelly> I have absolutely no idea which ports are needed
• 750[13:39:39] <ratrace> did someone..... *checks calendar* ..... did someone say ...... ActiveX?
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• 752[13:40:28] <jelly> ratrace, also I'd still use vCenter Flash web ui if I could, over the HTML5 web ui.
• 753[13:41:40] <inviz> funny that we did have some windows7 VM without updates, which had a lot of old software without updates. I nuked it one day. hated using it.
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• 757[13:45:28] <jelly> "enterprise" solutions are built on all sorts of obsolete crap, if you have to manage old consoles ActiveX might be the best working option
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• 759[13:46:12] <ratrace> and cocaine was valid ingredient in COCA cola. Smoking was freely advertised in media.
• 760[13:46:38] <ratrace> stop accepting BS solutions and force the dumb vendors to upgrade their interfaces!
• 761[13:46:47] <ratrace> vote with your wallets!
• 762[13:47:04] <shtrb> vote with your wallet, abolish systemd !
• 763[13:47:38] <shtrb> btw ie4linux no longer work, so you can't even use it run old activeX
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• 767[13:49:30] <jelly> ratrace, they upgraded, and HTML5 console is worse
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• 769[13:50:46] <jelly> there's less frustration if I keep using activex or webstart than if I try to use html5
• 770[13:50:53] <ratrace> shtrb: I wouldn't mind that actually. might force RH to fire LP and have better implementation of currently poorly implemented _Good_ ideas.
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• 773[13:53:05] <shtrb> I would never ask to someone to be fired for their code or their political belief system. I say abolish systemd as a default and only system in debian
• 774[13:54:19] <jelly> shtrb, okay, but are you going to pay for the work needed to support an alternative
• 775[13:54:24] <jelly> or do the work
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• 777[13:54:54] <shtrb> Last I checked DD are not being payed for by users of Debian
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• 780[13:55:31] <jelly> shtrb, they can be. Freexian is offering money for projects to make Debian better.
• 781[13:55:44] <ratrace> shtrb: I would ask someone to be fired, no problem.
• 782[13:55:47] <shtrb> And systemd has taken resources outside other modules
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• 784[13:56:32] <jelly> someone still needs to do extra work
• 785[13:56:48] <shtrb> jelly, I actually HAD payed for work like that in the past (not much but have done it), currently Debian HAVE a problem to get payment for work outside of EU
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• 787[13:57:34] <jelly> I think some of DDs paid by Freexian _are_ outside EU, but I don't know the details of financial arrangements
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• 789[13:58:16] <shtrb> And for what I know Debian does not share (for common people how that can be done ) of ANY legal framework for pay for use work (in contrast to bug bounties)
• 790[13:59:22] <shtrb> In fact Debian as an organization is a problematic entity for hiring people by third parties but that's out of the scope here, and I would assume that was how Freexian came to employ people
• 791[14:00:30] <jelly> Freexian was very successful doing LTS and attracting sponsors, they're trying to scale out now to trying different ways to improve Debian
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• 793[14:00:57] <tmm88> heyho guys
• 794[14:01:09] <jelly> and they're always looking for more people to do work
• 795[14:01:12] <tmm88> can you decrease a little bit the level on nonsense random activity
• 796[14:01:15] <shtrb> jelly, let's move that to d-o as we are spamming people with technical things
• 797[14:01:57] <jelly> !offtopic
• 798[14:01:57] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 823[14:22:50] <mosasaur> how do I duplicate an audio stream, like I want output to go to my headphones, but also to multicast/rtp
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• 825[14:23:07] <Foxfir3> happy easter.
• 826[14:23:26] <Foxfir3> mosasaur: can the pulseaudio daemon handle that maybe?
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• 828[14:24:17] <mosasaur> Foxfir3: probably, but how?
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• 830[14:24:38] <Foxfir3> basic server install. Bullseye. I notice visudo is not working. okay. So i edit the sudoers file, but I guess thats a very bad practice. So what is the correct approach?
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• 835[14:26:49] <Foxfir3> mosasaur: there are different applets for pulseaudio.
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• 837[14:27:18] <Foxfir3> mosasaur: you could also have a look at alsamixer in order to handle it more low level
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• 842[14:28:54] <Foxfir3> mosasaur: just remember that pulseaudio is only a deamon
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• 844[14:29:45] <mosasaur> Foxfir3: this assumes two hardware cards, I think. I do have some extra device usb audio device, so maybe I could investigate that, however I first want to somehow try to duplicate the audio from a single card
• 845[14:30:50] <mosasaur> hmm, maybe I could output to multicast
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• 852[14:39:35] <mosasaur> somehow I get permission denied when trying to access the rtp stream
• 853[14:40:28] <mosasaur> maybe because it's on port 5004? But what other port can I choose
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• 863[14:49:00] <mosasaur> how do I tell pulseaudio which rtp to use
• 864[14:49:21] <mosasaur> which rtp port to use, instead of 5004
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• 869[14:54:57] <mosasaur> Oh it works the other way around, use tcpdump to find the port pulseasio is sending rtp to, but even that port gives a permission denied error
• 870[14:56:32] <mosasaur> why won't pulseaudio allow "mpv rtp://@:224.0.0.56:46660"
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• 910[15:45:17] <PsynoKhi0> Hi, is there a way to have recursively copy files when folders and file names contain spaces? --protect-args seems to require to explicitely quote full paths one by one with spaces escaped, and I have over 800 files to fetch from a CIFS share
• 911[15:45:43] <PsynoKhi0> to have rsync recursively copy*
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• 916[15:51:56] <nkuttler> i don't think i ever had problems with spaces in filenames using rsync
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• 918[15:52:01] <nkuttler> which command are you actually using?
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• 922[16:01:52] <PsynoKhi0> nkuttler: rsync --protect-args -aviP gives me file has vanished
• 923[16:03:12] <PsynoKhi0> do be more precise: rsync --protect-args -aviP "/mnt/source/" "/mnt/dest/"
• 924[16:04:43] <PsynoKhi0> I gave rsync --protect-args -rtivP a shot because I read that chown could be tricky from a windows share
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• 930[16:09:11] <jelly-home> PsynoKhi0, how is this cifs share mounted?
• 931[16:09:14] <jelly-home> oops, ignore me, I'm mssing 10 minutes of the conversation
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• 955[16:33:13] <PsynoKhi0> jelly: //fs.domain.com/dept_shared$/share on /mnt/domain_com type cifs (rw,relatime,vers=default,cache=strict,username=user@domain.com,uid=1003,forceuid,gid=1004,forcegid,addr=192.168.200.20,file_mode=0700,dir_mode=0700,soft,nounix,serverino,mapposix,rsize=65536,wsize=65536,echo_interval=60,actimeo=1)
• 956[16:33:38] <PsynoKhi0> I've already extracted a few TB from there
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• 961[16:36:24] <ratrace> PsynoKhi0: the "files have vanished" error means that rsync couldn't find the files in the list it initially creates when it starts syncin (it does it in batches of N thousand files or something)
• 962[16:36:54] <ratrace> meaning, something/someone deleted or moved them in the time between rsync created the batch list and started processing it.
• 963[16:37:51] <ratrace> PsynoKhi0: also, as long as you properly handle spaces in paths you give as _arguments_, rsync should have no problem moving files with spaces in names, because the spaces are problematic for interactive shells (and string substitution if done incorrectly), rsync reads filenames in binary
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• 965[16:38:04] <ratrace> %s/moving files/copying files/
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• 968[16:40:16] <PsynoKhi0> ooo... OOOO... wait, it might not be spaces
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• 970[16:42:18] <PsynoKhi0> from the rsync log the file names end with a year and the .pdf extension, on the source, ls gives me the squigly square thingy for undefined characters... could that be a copyright symbol
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• 972[16:43:25] <PsynoKhi0> talk about barking up the wrong tree in that case
• 973[16:44:15] <PsynoKhi0> e.g. the source file name contains ©20xx.pdf
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• 975[16:45:51] <PsynoKhi0> maybe if I remount the share with a different character encoding
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• 980[16:53:19] <ratrace> I suppose bad character encoding could mess things up. I've been utf-8-ing since long time and wouldn't know what windows does these days
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• 982[16:53:55] <PsynoKhi0> waste everybody's time with "not invented here" idosyncracies, that's what...
• 983[16:54:28] <PsynoKhi0> nice typo, that'll teach me trying to appear smart
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• 987[17:03:36] <PsynoKhi0> also I badmouthed them without noticing I had my terminals mixed up, so the "unknown character" symbol is on the destination... that was stupid
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• 989[17:04:44] <PsynoKhi0> path character limit?
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• 992[17:05:52] <PsynoKhi0> nope... sorry for thinking aloud
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• 996[17:08:51] <PsynoKhi0> nkuttler jelly ratrace: thanks for the pointers in any case, happy easter
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• 999[17:09:51] <Foxfir3> how do i install visudo on Debian Bullseye
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• 1001[17:11:26] <ratrace> Foxfir3: it's part of the sudo package
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• 1003[17:12:30] <rr123> can not install debian 10.9 inside virtualbox for half-day, used to work fine, virtualbox reports " decompressing lzma error compressing data is corrupted", but I checked sha256sum and the iso is intact
• 1004[17:12:59] <rr123> xfce iso cd (700MB) that is
• 1005[17:13:01] <Foxfir3> ratrace: thanks. will try a reboot.
• 1006[17:13:05] <ratrace> Foxfir3: wait... what for?
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• 1008[17:13:12] <ratrace> rr123: which ISO filename _exactly_ ?
• 1009[17:13:29] <rr123> replaced-url
• 1010[17:13:45] <ratrace> rr123: okay, and you're using it with virtualbox how exactly?
• 1011[17:13:49] <Foxfir3> ratrace: visudo not working on fres Debian install. I installed sudo.
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• 1013[17:13:59] <ratrace> rr123: should be IDE cd-rom thingy with taht file as source, iirc
• 1014[17:14:10] <rr123> virtualbox 6.1 from ubuntu 20.04
• 1015[17:14:29] <ratrace> Foxfir3: "not working"? you need to run it as root, which could mean this:
• 1016[17:14:30] <ratrace> !buster su
• 1017[17:14:30] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
• 1018[17:14:45] <ratrace> rr123: that doesn't answer my question
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• 1020[17:15:53] <rr123> ratrace: i pointed IDE to this iso and start installing from the CD, same as what I did in the past which worked fine, in fact I have an older debian 10 running in the same virtualbox, somehow I can not install a new one
• 1021[17:16:00] <Foxfir3> ratrace: thanks :) it 'works' now :D
• 1022[17:16:20] <ratrace> Foxfir3: and you wanted to reboot ......... call a priest, ask him to exorcise that windows mentality out of you! :)
• 1023[17:17:32] <ratrace> rr123: so you actually mean you can't _boot_ from that ISO? doesn't boot, and thus doesn't even begin installation, or is that error from something else?
• 1024[17:17:49] <Foxfir3> ratrace: i know. i kernel stuff needs reboot. its magical wishing and never worked. Still do it though :D
• 1025[17:19:20] <rr123> ratrace: i can install, except I can not complete, for netinstall iso it failed at the last step, for CD it failed after base packages are installed, sometimes even after I selected xfce tasks then fail after a while
• 1026[17:19:35] <rr123> it just fails somewhere in the installation process for both net and CD iso
• 1027[17:20:19] <rr123> meanwhile the old installed images rus fine in the same virtualbox
• 1028[17:20:51] <ratrace> that's irrelevant, "old installed images" are not the same thing as running the installer. Can you imgur a screenshot of that error?
• 1029[17:21:01] <ratrace> what exactly is the "last step" where it happens?
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• 1032[17:21:26] <rr123> oops just removed the whole thing and am starting from scratch again, will screenshot in a few minutes
• 1033[17:21:27] <ratrace> two different ISOs failing indicates the problem is not in ISOs (esp. if you checked checksums), but in your setup and/or virtualbox.
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• 1039[17:28:10] <jhutchins> Perhaps resources?
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• 1072[18:15:29] <wols> I have a debian live buster medium and its installer tells me something about missing kernel modules, which means I have no ethernet. I can boot the live distro with ethernet and console. How do I install debian from this debian live console? Recap: have console with internet, need to install debian in a simple way. Is this possible?
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• 1074[18:16:33] <hegemoOn> anyone using FAI to install debian ?
• 1075[18:17:07] <hegemoOn> i have a little issue, i try to reinstall a server, and it's failling cause there is interference with previous software raid configuration
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• 1077[18:17:31] <hegemoOn> anybody has an hint to do a full disk wipe before setting things up
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• 1080[18:18:18] <jhutchins> !firmware
• 1081[18:18:18] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
• 1082[18:18:39] <jhutchins> wols: Try one of the regular installer images instead of the live one.
• 1083[18:19:27] <wols> jhutchins: is this for me? cause it's not a firmware issue but actual kernel modules. same medium works fine when I boot live. simple realtek nic
• 1084[18:19:44] <wols> and creating an installer stick is what I wanted to avoid :(
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• 1086[18:19:57] <wols> I guess I'll have to do it
• 1087[18:20:16] <wols> thank you
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• 1089[18:21:29] <jhutchins> wols: Mind your checksums.
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• 1096[18:27:51] <hegemoOn> i guess dd is the key
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• 1100[18:30:51] <ratrace> hegemoOn: also: wipefs and mdadm --zero-superblock, but dd'ing first few GB and last few GB should work in most cases, yes, otherwise full dd everything
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• 1103[18:35:10] <hegemoOn> yes it works
• 1104[18:35:30] <hegemoOn> now, i need to know how to add the dd step at the begining of the provisionning process
• 1105[18:35:38] <hegemoOn> with FAI
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• 1120[19:00:24] <johnfg> hi guys!
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• 1122[19:01:34] <johnfg> I've been learning about using nmcli and have a question about assigning more than one ip to an interface, and wondering if that's done, if that entry in /etc/hosts should/can contain both ips.
• 1123[19:02:04] <johnfg> Please recommend another channel that may be more specific. I'm running debian buster, all updates current.
• 1124[19:02:43] <sney> it depends on whether you need resolution, and whether or not you have a nameserver that can do it for you
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• 1127[19:03:27] <sney> /etc/hosts *can* contain more than one entry per ip
• 1128[19:03:42] <shtrb> johnfg, this channel would be ok , but are you sure you are using the proper place ? you normally use nmcli to set ips you get from ISP/router and normally these should not be added in YOUR dns records but rather shared by your router dns server
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• 1130[19:03:59] <shtrb> but you can assign as much as you like ip address in /etc/hosts
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• 1140[19:10:23] <johnfg> shtrb: So, I have right now '192.168.0.107 my.host.org my' in /etc/hosts.
• 1141[19:11:06] <shtrb> you can use your built in router's DNS server for such cases.
• 1142[19:11:33] <johnfg> If I want to also have it using, assigned, resolving to (not sure what to call this) 174.45.100.100, do I add another line with the second ip, or do I use the same line?
• 1143[19:11:48] <shtrb> You add a new line
• 1144[19:11:58] <shtrb> with what ever name you like
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• 1146[19:13:20] <johnfg> So then, on the local network, and when I have the /etc/hosts on my other machines with that similar entry, either ip would reach it?
• 1147[19:13:25] <shtrb> just remember that if you have two different ips for the same hostname , it would always resolve the ip declared.
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• 1149[19:13:40] <shtrb> no
• 1150[19:13:40] <johnfg> shtrb: That makes sense.
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• 1157[19:16:18] <shtrb> If you are working internal ips, that would be ok-ish (but it would be easier to define that on your router), if you are planning to maintain multiple records it would better to setup a DNS server (or use the one on your router) and point your local servers to use it, if you wish to make it avilable to other people you could even use GNS (involve tinkering and learning) or some dynamic dns provider (or you could even buy your own domain and maintain it
• 1158[19:16:18] <shtrb> properly)
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• 1164[19:21:56] <johnfg> shtrb: I'll have to check out GNS. Don't know what it is. Here's what happened. We have our own domain, owned by us since before Al Gore invented the internet!
• 1165[19:22:15] <shtrb> Then just use DNS and not GNS
• 1166[19:22:33] <shtrb> you can add as many records as you like
• 1167[19:22:43] <johnfg> However, within the last 2 months, we began having our website hosted offsite, and our domain went over there.
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• 1169[19:23:39] <johnfg> Thus, what I used to do, through the router, A record, C names, etc., I could no longer do. So far (and thanks for your help here today), I've got things working much better.
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• 1171[19:25:14] <shtrb> You should be able to maintain your DNS records by any provider, it's easier to do with normal DNS records. GNS is good when you can not register DNS records (for any reason)
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• 1176[19:28:18] <alex11> if i've backed up a folder with rsync and i do it again with -av (not -u) will it just copy over what's already there and nothing else; i guess my question is, it won't just duplicate right?
• 1177[19:30:39] <alex11> also do i want to be backing up /etc as root? will it keep permissions and so on?
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• 1179[19:31:39] <shtrb> alex11, no, it will perform a comparison (dates, sizes) and if they are the same a copy will not be done (I actually use -c to use checksums instead of that)
• 1180[19:33:01] <alex11> i see a few permission denied when copying over /etc and i just wonder if i should be using root... maybe i should use root for everything except /home?
• 1181[19:34:13] <shtrb> You are overwriting /etc somewhere else ?
• 1182[19:34:34] <alex11> well i'm backing up /et
• 1183[19:34:35] <alex11> etc
• 1184[19:34:48] <alex11> i don't know what you mean by overwriting
• 1185[19:34:55] <alex11> well
• 1186[19:35:08] <alex11> i mean i had /etc backed up to my external hd and i just did an rsync -av to overwrite it, yes
• 1187[19:35:12] <shtrb> may I ask why not to use git ? it will not store permissions , but it's easy enough (and store less space)
• 1188[19:35:25] <alex11> if it won't store permissions then why bother
• 1189[19:35:31] <johnfg> Well, unless I want to pay for another domain, I can't maintain the records there as I was doing it. The ip for the hosted website is the only one I can have at the registrars.
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• 1191[19:35:58] <johnfg> alex11: FYI...there is a channel, #rsync where you could ask questions.
• 1192[19:36:33] <alex11> i think i found the answer anyway
• 1193[19:37:14] <somiaj> alex11: a lot depends on your recovery model, and how much of /etc is your custom configuration changes, vs just package defaults, and so on.
• 1194[19:37:25] <johnfg> shtrb: As I use both git and rsync, for different tasks, why do you use git for your backups (if I understand you), and how does it use less space?
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• 1197[19:39:23] <shtrb> johnfg, git is great to store differences for clear text files, as files rarely change (let say you backup once a day) you will not have many copies of non changed files. I use git for config (/etc + part of /usr ) and global rsync for binaries
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• 1200[19:40:03] <shtrb> johnfg, you should be able to host ip at X and maintain DNS records at provider Y
• 1201[19:40:21] <shtrb> you just pay to two different entities
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• 1204[19:41:17] <somiaj> alex11: even if you don't want to backup permissions, some configs in /etc can only be read by root, so is there that to consider.
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• 1206[19:41:40] <alex11> yeah i have it figured now
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• 1208[19:45:05] <johnfg> shtrb: That's what I *am* doing now, paying to those two entities. But there's place for only one ip for the A Records. I can't have the hosting site's ip for the website, and my static ip for the local network.
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• 1210[19:46:13] <johnfg> afaik, i.e. Since things are working (except for a problem on a windows 10 machine with openafs), I'll probably leave them as they are.
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• 1214[19:48:18] <johnfg> Thanks for the help! ttyl!
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• 1240[20:07:29] <alex11> is rsync --delete "remove files on the receiver that are not on the destination"?
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• 1243[20:08:33] <oxek> isn't receiver and destination the same thing?
• 1244[20:08:53] <alex11> sorry
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• 1246[20:08:59] <alex11> is rsync --delete "remove files on the receiver that are not on the source"?
• 1247[20:09:05] <alex11> is what i mean
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• 1252[20:10:21] <oxek> yes
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• 1254[20:10:35] <oxek> be careful with it
• 1255[20:11:00] <alex11> i suppose i'll do a diff first and see what i don't want to keep
• 1256[20:11:10] <line17> is there any video downloader like IDM in linux? i am looking for privacy-friendly tools/softwares/ways.. Thanks
• 1257[20:11:24] <alex11> probably better than just doing blanket --delete
• 1258[20:11:25] <oxek> don't know IDM, but there's youtube-dl
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• 1260[20:11:42] <alex11> yeah but if you use youtube-dl don't use debian's version of it
• 1261[20:11:45] <alex11> it's too old
• 1262[20:11:55] <alex11> and doesn't work for a lot of things
• 1263[20:11:57] <oxek> the version in buster-backports might work for a while
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• 1265[20:12:02] <line17> alex11, what can do you recommend for me?
• 1266[20:12:11] <alex11> i use virtualenv for it
• 1267[20:12:20] <alex11> but youtube-dl's site has better instructions
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• 1272[20:14:28] <EdePopede> sidenote: there was a new release yesterday and another during (european) night hours today.
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• 1276[20:18:04] <shtrb> ,v youtube-dl
• 1277[20:18:05] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1.1; buster-backports: 2021.02.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2021.02.10-1; sid: 2021.02.10-1; buster-multimedia: 2021.03.31-dmo1; bullseye-multimedia: 2021.04.01-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2021.04.01-dmo1
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• 1279[20:18:38] <shtrb> alex11, it's Feb 2021 it's considered too old ?
• 1280[20:18:57] <alex11> it depends where you download from
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• 1282[20:19:07] <alex11> in a perfect world youtube-dl would work for everything
• 1283[20:19:16] <alex11> unfortunately websites/companies like to be jerks and change stuff
• 1284[20:19:20] <alex11> so workarounds are needed
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• 1287[20:19:27] <alex11> i would always use the latest version
• 1288[20:19:46] <remline> I install youtube-dl via python (pip)
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• 1291[20:22:40] <line17> alex11, what about this?
• 1292[20:22:41] <line17> replaced-url
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• 1345[21:07:27] <naptastic> Hi! I'm running a local mirror, which has stopped functioning for clients. They report a 404 on Contents-i386. Here's a complete list of all the 404's generated by `apt update`.
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• 1348[21:08:32] <naptastic> The script I'm using for the mirror is called mirrorbuild.sh and I actually adapted it from Ubuntu. It uses debmirror under the hood.
• 1349[21:09:25] <naptastic> The mirror stopped working some time in the last few weeks but I don't know when.
• 1350[21:09:39] <naptastic> Please advise?
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• 1374[21:25:32] <TheSilentLink> Hi anyone know why I get this error? I don't even have DKMS installed: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms: dkms: WARNING: Linux headers are missing, which may explain the above failures. please install the linux-headers-5.10.0-0.bpo.4-arm64 package to fix this. /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools:
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• 1379[21:27:51] <TheSilentLink> looks like a purge got rid of it
• 1380[21:27:52] <greycat> ,file etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms
• 1381[21:27:57] <judd> Search for etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms in buster/amd64: dkms: etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms
• 1382[21:28:03] <greycat> you *had* it installed, at leaest
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• 1384[21:28:34] <TheSilentLink> yep I reinstalled it then ran sudo apt purge dkms and it is done from postinst.d
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• 1413[21:49:47] <karlpinc> naptastic: The recommended way to mirror is: replaced-url
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• 1419[21:53:16] <karlpinc> naptastic: Otherwise, if you want help with what you're doing, we need more info.
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• 1422[21:54:29] <naptastic> karlpinc, it's ok; I figured out the problem. debmirror now requires the --getcontents option, which mirrorbuild.sh wasn't providing. I modified it, and it's downloading the missing bits now.
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• 1444[22:06:25] <Xalys> Is 'Always' a valid value for APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade ? It seems to work, but I can't find a list of possible options
• 1445[22:06:47] <Xalys> sorry, 'always' lowercase
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• 1456[22:15:15] <Xalys> never mind, answered my own question: replaced-url
• 1457[22:15:37] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1466[22:22:12] <digi9> Is there any magic flag I can put in my package's DEBIAN directory that will prevent it from ever prompting the user to update config files?
• 1467[22:22:32] <digi9> We're finding that users have a bad habit of mashing Y when prompted, then complaining to us that our software is broken
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• 1469[22:23:27] <jim87> Hello! I need to retrieve the GPG key chain of buster to download some packages via apt (using appimage-builder). Which keyserver can I use and which key should I search? Thanks :)
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• 1503[22:57:02] <imMute> digdilem: are the config files in /etc? then no, there's no way to not prompt the user.
• 1504[22:57:20] <greycat> make 'em not be conffiles
• 1505[22:57:37] <imMute> greycat: I don't think you can do that if they're in /etc ...
• 1506[22:58:36] <greycat> don't ship the file as part of the package; generate it in the postinst
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