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66[00:30:13] <akdsifjsofh> sdf
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68[00:30:24] <akdsifjsofh> who has that
69[00:30:40] <at0m> akdsifjsofh: we did. for more fun, try ##test
70[00:30:58] <akdsifjsofh> oh hew no
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72[00:31:31] <annadane> i'm confused. but then, that's par for the course in this channel
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78[00:33:41] <akdsifjsofh> wdym
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85[00:40:19] <RoyK> ,v libav
86[00:40:20] <judd> No package named 'libav' was found in amd64.
87[00:40:27] <RoyK> ,v avconv
88[00:40:28] <judd> No package named 'avconv' was found in amd64.
89[00:40:33] <RoyK> ,v ffmpeg
90[00:40:34] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.21-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.12-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.12-1~deb9u1; buster: 7:4.0.3-1; sid: 7:4.0.3-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.9-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 10:4.1-dmo2; sid-
91[00:40:35] <judd> multimedia: 10:4.1-dmo2
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122[01:06:19] <alexandros_c> Happy Thanksgiving to all my American friends
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133[01:12:34] <awal1> how to stop freenode msg about +R mode?
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135[01:12:51] <awal1> it bothers getting it every time i connect
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146[01:16:59] <annadane> awal1, ask #freenode
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149[01:19:25] <awal1> sure; i just thought that maybe someone have the solution here yet, annadane
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158[01:24:38] <King_DuckZ> hi, I've booted in rescue mode from the debian cd, is there any way I can obtain the kernel configuration? I checked in proc but I see no /proc/config.gz
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164[01:30:14] <aphorise> I'm having issue getting my hardware combination working particularly with nvidia - if i start with debian 9.6 and install 4.18 kernels with nouveau enabled I have working ehternet & wifi - but as soon as I install nvidia with kms I can no longer boot back into gdm just continuesly flickers without even the ability to ctrl+alt+f2 to check whats going on :-(
165[01:31:22] <aphorise> I've tried a lot of permutations using latest non-free firmware images but still need to use wifi dongle to get to the above mentioned points since none of the internal network devices work.
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169[01:34:26] <awal1> aphorise , easy solution: remove your nvidia stuff and insert intel
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172[01:35:46] <aphorise> I have built in gpu on cpu but would like to get proper graphics - oh wow - its crazy after 3 minutes of flickering I got to gdm boot - its super wiered... maybe I can check dmesg at least now
173[01:37:26] <King_DuckZ> uh... where's the kernel? there is no /boot, and the /boot on the cd only has a grub directory inside
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190[01:51:33] <King_DuckZ> anyone around?
191[01:51:57] <awal1> ask!
192[01:52:03] <awal1> !ask
193[01:52:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
194[01:52:26] <annadane> they did.
195[01:52:28] <annadane> scroll up.
196[01:53:06] <awal1> logs off here
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198[01:53:51] <annadane> replaced-url
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201[01:55:08] <King_DuckZ> I asked yeah, how can I get the kernel configuration from a system I booted in rescue mode from cd? I don't see any /proc/config.gz and modprobe configs won't work
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215[02:09:02] <bites> King_DuckZ: if you booted the rescue mode you run the kernel that comes with the installer. i don't think the kernel config comes with that, not sure why one would need that. if you want the config of the kernel of your regular image you will have to mount the boot or / partition of your system, then look in the /boot directory.
216[02:09:33] <bites> s/regular image/regular system/
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218[02:12:23] <King_DuckZ> bites: I don't have debian installed on my system, I'm trying to install gentoo actually, but debian seems to be the only distro capable of booting on my laptop so I wanted to compare my gentoo kernel config with debian's
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221[02:13:11] <bites> well, you will not find it in recue mode.
222[02:13:35] <King_DuckZ> is it on some github repository or anywhere online?
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228[02:15:30] <rblss-fsf> channel limit to 1395 people?
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231[02:16:04] <annadane> so as to prevent bots from coming in with masses of accounts and spamming
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233[02:16:17] <annadane> or non bots, i guess
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235[02:17:36] <rblss-fsf> does it bump up the limit in small increments so it doesn't let any large open chunk
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239[02:18:33] <annadane> yeah debhelper is constantly adjusting it
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253[02:26:06] <bites> King_DuckZ: replaced-url
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257[02:31:02] <King_DuckZ> bites: ahh very nice, thank you! :)
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328[03:33:32] <cheapie> You know you're dealing with quirky hardware when you have to combine two Debian ISOs into one to get it to boot properly...
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330[03:34:24] <cheapie> By "properly" I mean "with the CPU running in 64-bit mode" - an i386 image would boot on it with no tweaking, but I want amd64 :P
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332[03:35:07] <rblss-fsf> ...
333[03:35:20] <cheapie> Can't just use a plain amd64 image since someone thought it would be a good idea to design a computer using a 64-bit CPU and 32-bit firmware.
334[03:35:28] <rblss-fsf> Your comment made me realize I may have installed 32bit on my system
335[03:36:02] <cheapie> rblss-fsf: "uname -m" will tell you which one you have.
336[03:36:16] <ryouma> amd64 is confusingly what you typically use depending on your hw
337[03:36:41] <ryouma> x86_64 it seems
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339[03:36:56] <rblss-fsf> oh thank you cheapie, I got x86_64
340[03:37:05] <cheapie> ryouma: Yes, that's what I'm trying to install on it, and I think I can make it work, I was just complaining that the company that designed this thing didn't make it easy :P
341[03:37:10] <rblss-fsf> why is it referred too as amd64?
342[03:37:15] <annadane> !amd64
343[03:37:15] <dpkg> amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
344[03:37:20] <annadane> oh.
345[03:37:26] <annadane> thought it had an etymology section thingy
346[03:37:29] <cheapie> rblss-fsf: AMD developed the 64-bit extensions to x86.
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348[03:38:07] <rblss-fsf> you people are awesome, glad I switched cold turkey from microsoft
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350[03:38:51] <ryouma> :)
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353[03:39:20] <annadane> turkey!
354[03:39:27] <annadane> a particularly apt analogy on this day.
355[03:39:32] <annadane> also, a particularly apt usage of apt.
356[03:39:37] <rblss-fsf> haha
357[03:40:25] <hyperlumic> annadane: Well played.
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380[04:10:45] <cheapie> Wow, the touchscreen is actually working, and in the right orientation too.
381[04:10:52] <cheapie> That's better than Windows did "out of the box" :P
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386[04:13:14] <SuperSpammer> i will flood all channels with crap
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400[04:29:52] <annadane> how can i check why a file isn't autocompleting in bash?
401[04:30:12] <annadane> it's an image file and i feh foo but foo doesn't autocomplete
402[04:30:37] <annadane> file foo says PNG image data, 489 x 200, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
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404[04:33:34] <annadane> the ones that do autocomplete are RGBA as opposed to RGB
405[04:36:25] <annadane> alt + / does work
406[04:38:02] <annadane> screw it i'll add a bash alias for it :P
407[04:39:00] <annadane> height of laziness here
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423[05:03:15] <_marshy> hey guys, i created a new partition and moved my /home to the new partition in order to install a new distro. i logged into the new distro, deleted the old /home and and edited fstab.now i can't log back into the new distro. i created a new user and it works fine, so something must've happened inside the home directory. any ideas?
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494[06:18:26] <cheapie> Well, that tablet is 100% working now except that I can't tell how full the battery is. It's currently updating some stuff to see if that helps.
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621[08:36:26] <spectral1hief> §4
622[08:36:28] <spectral1hief> §3
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624[08:36:40] <spectral1hief> oops, sorry
625[08:36:52] <spectral1hief> I tried to type /4 :P
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692[09:16:18] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i've a stringe problem -> my keyboard suddently stoped working, the mouse and the windows responds normaly but i can't use the keyboard :X, i'm using stable, the login-manager let me input charaters but after the loginmanager all input seems to fanish in ait :X
693[09:16:28] <rocketmagnet> i tred another keyboard with the same result
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705[09:23:12] <RoyK> rocketmagnet: does it accept things like ctrl+alt+f1?
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973[12:32:33] <milossh> would it be a bad idea to chown -R {whoami} /opt/ ?
974[12:34:04] <cef> No idea, but you probably want to use $(whoami) instead of {whoami} in that sort of command. :P
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976[12:34:34] <bezaban> without knowing what is in there or what needs to access it it's a bad idea
977[12:35:22] <colo-work> /opt/ belongs to root
978[12:35:32] <colo-work> you could create /opt/somedir/
979[12:35:37] <colo-work> and chown that according to your needs
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982[12:35:59] <bezaban> I don't think debian itself puts anything in /opt, so for the custom setup ymmv, but there likely is a better way to solve what you're trying to do
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990[12:44:15] <jelly> milossh: I've added write permissions so I can create dirs there, on a workstation
991[12:44:34] <jelly> drwxrwxr-x 20 root adm 4096 Oct 29 15:20 /opt
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994[12:45:54] <milossh> jelly, oh, well that makes more sense
995[12:46:04] <shtrb|work> /opt may be used by some third party packages (oracle I'm looking at you)
996[12:46:06] <milossh> that's 775?
997[12:46:26] <milossh> shtrb|work, I use openjdk, so I don't really care much about oracle :)
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1061[13:24:59] <schangg> Hi
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1064[13:25:53] <schangg> I just installed debian Squeeze (I need this old version for a particular purpose)
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1067[13:26:12] <schangg> I now need to install additional packages
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1070[13:26:38] <schangg> and this does not work because the default path in /etc/apt/sources.list have been deprecated
1071[13:26:42] <shtrb|work> find a mirror that servers that
1072[13:26:52] <schangg> so I was wondering if there was an archive server that still has th original paths
1073[13:27:05] <shtrb|work> wait , what ? /etc/apt/sources.list still work
1074[13:27:28] <shtrb|work> and had been working for few years already
1075[13:27:34] <bites> schangg: replaced-url
1076[13:27:48] <schangg> shtrb|work yes
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1078[13:27:51] <schangg> bites thanks
1079[13:27:54] <jelly> !squeeze sources.list
1080[13:27:54] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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1083[13:28:08] <shtrb|work> schangg, replaced-url
1084[13:28:10] <schangg> jelly thanks a lot
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1093[13:35:46] <NetTerminalGene> how can i learn which mesa version installed?
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1096[13:37:54] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: you can look at the version of its main package, libgl1-mesa-glx
1097[13:38:03] <jken> Hello, I am having an issue on a particular piece of hardware. (Intel compute stick STK1A32SC). Running debian stretch with kernel 4.18 from stretch-backports. Sometimes when the device boots it locks up completely with the last line logged in the startup being "switching from EFI VGA to inteldrmfb". I've tried every combination of i915 parameters imaginable but nothing seems to deal with the issue. I am now trying to use the hardware watchdog to catch
1098[13:38:04] <jken> this scenario and simply pwoer cycle the device again (as it only happens on ~1% of boots, but the framebuffer switch often happens before the watchdog driver is loaded and the watchdog device is initialized. Can anyone offer any advice?
1099[13:38:53] <jelly> jken: if you don't need accelerated graphics you could blacklist i915 completely
1100[13:39:54] <jken> Unfortunately our product essentually a video player. so disabling accelerated graphics entirely is not idela.
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1103[13:40:56] <jelly> I suspect #intel-gfx channel might know a thing or two about debugging i915
1104[13:41:19] <jken> oh thanks, i didn't realize they had their own channel. I'll post in there as well.
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1106[13:43:15] <jelly> you might also force relevant watchdog modules loading in initramfs, and hope that's enough
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1110[13:44:24] <jken> jelly, I was wondering about that. Would I need to compile my own kernel to ensure the watchdog drivers are loaded before i915?
1111[13:44:30] <jelly> no
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1113[13:44:57] <jelly> add stuff to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and rebuild initramfs
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1117[13:46:25] <jken> oh nice, I will look into that and give it a try
1118[13:46:29] <jken> thanks jelly
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1122[13:53:02] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, is this real mesa backported? replaced-url
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1125[13:54:05] <outZoNe> привет
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1128[13:54:16] <outZoNe> !кг
1129[13:54:18] <outZoNe> !ru
1130[13:54:29] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, if i install it i will get the newer mesa?
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1132[13:55:03] <at0m> ,v libgl1-mesa-glx
1133[13:55:04] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.1.9-1~bpo9+1; buster: 18.1.9-1; sid: 18.2.5-3
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1145[14:00:02] <ladderff> good morning EST, #debian
1146[14:00:35] <ladderff> what does it take to get systemd IdleSuspend working on an unremarkable desktop deploy of Debian with Cinnamon?
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1152[14:03:18] <NetTerminalGene> intel's new spectre mitigation causes 50 percent drop in some linux workload
1153[14:05:19] <at0m> did they also say there's 7 new vulns discovered?
1154[14:05:20] <shtrb|work> There is a new one ?
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1157[14:08:32] <NetTerminalGene> replaced-url
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1159[14:09:31] <at0m> NetTerminalGene: feel welcome to discuss this non-debian related in #debian-offtopic
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1162[14:12:36] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: you'd have to get libgl1-mesa-dri from backports, and maybe some other stuff
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1172[14:18:29] <milossh> let's go with 777!
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1174[14:18:46] <jelly> no.
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1177[14:19:07] <milossh> but mom!
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1216[14:40:49] <scatterbrainz> morning
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1220[14:41:33] <scatterbrainz> morning
1221[14:41:36] <scatterbrainz> ugh
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1225[14:41:50] <scatterbrainz> anyone know how to open gui desktop debian from ssh command line
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1228[14:43:44] <jelly> scatterbrainz: from a different machine?
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1230[14:44:05] <jelly> scatterbrainz: does the system you're running ssh client on, have an X server running?
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1233[14:46:04] <scatterbrainz> i don't know about the "x" server
1234[14:46:08] <scatterbrainz> yes login remote SSH
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1236[14:46:27] <scatterbrainz> only console users are allow to run the x-server
1237[14:46:35] <scatterbrainz> i may logged in as root
1238[14:46:48] <scatterbrainz> xinit: giving up
1239[14:46:58] <scatterbrainz> xinit: unable to connect o x server: connection refused
1240[14:47:05] <scatterbrainz> xinit: server error
1241[14:47:08] <scatterbrainz> maybe its not running
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1249[14:56:20] <n_1-c_k> scatterbrainz: this works for me, replaced-url
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1252[14:57:09] <hyperlumic> scatterbrainz: You'll need an X server running on the client, and you'll need to use X forwarding via SSH.
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1255[14:57:52] <scatterbrainz> is that the command or a script ?
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1258[14:59:26] <hyperlumic> scatterbrainz: What OS is the client?
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1261[14:59:33] <scatterbrainz> osx
1262[14:59:37] <scatterbrainz> term. window
1263[14:59:49] <scatterbrainz> maybe ya can't run desktop from a term window
1264[14:59:57] <emilengler> Is there a way or article how to request a package for the debian repositories ?
1265[15:00:11] <tarzeau> which software?
1266[15:00:13] <greycat> !rfp
1267[15:00:13] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
1268[15:00:24] <hyperlumic> scatterbrainz: Then you will need to install XQuartz, and connect to the remote end with the correct flag to enable X forwarding.
1269[15:00:59] <tarzeau> emilengler: i'm in turbo packaging mode!
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1271[15:01:22] <emilengler> tarzeau: What do you mean by that ?
1272[15:01:34] <tarzeau> emilengler: you post an url of some free software, i package it
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1275[15:02:05] <tarzeau> maybe, if the software has a known-to-me buildsystem (qmake, make, ./configure, cmake)
1276[15:02:09] <emilengler> tarzeau: Also maintaining it ?
1277[15:02:16] <tarzeau> emilengler: if i like the software, sure
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1281[15:02:37] <tarzeau> i don't do libraries, but leaf packages (qt5, sdl2, cli, gnustep) is fine
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1290[15:08:40] <multun> hey, I couldn't manage to install and enable a templated systemd unit file using dh_systemd_enable
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1292[15:09:20] <multun> a comment in the source code seems to imply such a feature is expected to exist
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1296[15:11:05] <shtrb|work> tarzeau, most recent nodejs :D
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1303[15:13:34] <tarzeau> shtrb|work: build system?
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1307[15:14:12] <hyperlumic> nodejs' 8.x branch is still actively supported, and is available via stretch-backports.
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1313[15:14:47] <hyperlumic> That said, I would prefer to see the latest LTS branch in buster, so that it doesn't hit EOL/EOS during buster's lifecycle.
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1321[15:18:21] <milossh> btw, happy Fibonacci day!
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1326[15:21:51] <multun> so is there any way to install and enable a templated unit :'( ?
1327[15:22:35] <multun> I mean a way that doesn't involve dirty postinst/... scripts
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1331[15:26:37] <jken> jelly, I've added iTCO_wdt to initramfs, and confirmed the driver is being loaded alot earlier in the boot. However, it still does not seem to kick in. Looks like the iTCO_wdt module only has 2 params, timeout and nowayout, any idea how I can start the watchdog timer when the driver is loaded? I think even though the driver is loaded earlier, the timer is not initialized until watchdogd starts in userspace.
1332[15:26:46] <jken> Which is after the failure on boot I am trying to work aroud./
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1367[15:49:32] <hyperlumic> !ssb
1368[15:49:32] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1372[15:52:46] <annadane> how does one keep ssb's up to date anyway, with security fixes?
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1374[15:53:26] <hyperlumic> I assume by monitoring the version in sid, and re-backporting it. I can't seem to remember the bot command for checking if something can be backported.
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1376[15:53:37] <greycat> You'd have to manually re-backport it yourself every time a security update is provided.
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1378[15:54:09] <annadane> judd, checkbackport libc6 --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch
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1381[15:54:20] <annadane> like that ^ except it's not responding now
1382[15:54:22] <hyperlumic> Thank you!
1383[15:54:24] <judd> Backporting package libc6 in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: binutils (>= 2.29) [amd64 i386 x32], g++-7, g++-7 (>= 7.2.0-20) [amd64 i386 x32], g++-7-multilib [amd64 i386 kfreebsd-amd64 mips mipsel mipsn32 mipsn32el mips64 mips64el mipsr6 mipsr6el mipsn32r6 mipsn32r6el mips64r6 mips64r6el powerpc ppc64 s390x sparc sparc64 x32] <!nobiarch>, libc-bin (>= 2.27)
1384[15:54:25] <judd> <cross>.
1385[15:54:37] <jelly> there was a thing that would track new deb-src and new upstream and automagically build things
1386[15:54:42] <jelly> !autodeb
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1388[15:54:47] <annadane> oh because it has to compute all the incompatible stuff. i intentionally chose one that's basically impossible to backport :P
1389[15:55:08] <jelly> replaced-url
1390[15:55:16] <colo-work> jelly, we mostly use "The Debian Project" for that :^)
1391[15:55:26] <annadane> i guess one could set up an rss feeder with the various tracker.debian.org/foo
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1393[15:55:44] <colo-work> (but that's a neat idea, actually!)
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1450[16:31:52] <beepnboop-> quick question, how do i do 2 commands at the same time
1451[16:31:59] <beepnboop-> update and upgrade
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1453[16:32:36] <greycat> You can't do apt update and apt upgrade at the same time. The apt update has to go first.
1454[16:32:48] <beepnboop-> oof
1455[16:33:00] <xand> put && in between them
1456[16:33:02] <greycat> So, this is fine: apt update && apt upgrade
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1459[16:33:19] <greycat> That runs the first command first, waits for it to complete, and then runs the second command IF the first one didn't "fail".
1460[16:33:34] <greycat> But this is NOT fine: apt update & apt upgrade &
1461[16:33:41] <beepnboop-> do i need to do sudo on both too?
1462[16:33:45] <greycat> That would try to run them at the same time, which would blow up.
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1464[16:34:05] <greycat> yes, they have to be executed as root
1465[16:34:27] <beepnboop-> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
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1471[16:37:36] <GenTooMan> how does one remove something from the apt install queue that is already installed? it's obviously giving an error and attempts to install each time I do an update and apply upgrades
1472[16:38:18] <greycat> just remove the package with dpkg --remove, or whatever
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1476[16:41:06] <GenTooMan> sounds like a plan
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1482[16:43:36] <nidhoegger> Hi. Ive updated to debian buster to test my software if its running there. I encountered an issue regarding apt / dpkg. When I use "su" to gain privilege, apt is not functional, resulting in "dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable". I checked PATH and /sbin is not in there. However, doing "su -l" makes it work. is this a known bug?
1483[16:43:54] <greycat> Yes, buster changed the su command. It no longer changes your PATH.
1484[16:44:01] <nidhoegger> ahh okay, thank you
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1486[16:44:07] <nidhoegger> is there a new way to gain superuser?
1487[16:44:13] <nidhoegger> or does debian switch to sudo?
1488[16:44:14] <greycat> !debian-next
1489[16:44:15] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1491[16:44:20] <nidhoegger> thanks
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1505[16:49:47] <jelly> nidhoegger: just use "su -"
1506[16:50:26] <nidhoegger> found that out, too :P its the same as "su -l" (i think)
1507[16:50:34] <nidhoegger> asking in debian-next atm for the reasons
1508[16:50:40] <jelly> nod
1509[16:50:41] <greycat> There are at least 3 viable solutions to the buster su problem, not counting non-viable but obviously correct solutions like "convince the maintainer to fix the default behavior".
1510[16:51:08] <nidhoegger> dunno, is "su -" really wrong?
1511[16:51:15] <nidhoegger> when I started linux on gentoo this was pretty normal
1512[16:51:25] <nidhoegger> and it tells su to create a login environment
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1517[16:52:03] <greycat> Retraining 25 years of your knowledge and workflow, teaching yourself to type "su -" like a filthy redhatter, is one of the viable solutions. This has drawbacks, of course. It changes your current working directory, so you can't do "su -" and then "make install".
1518[16:52:24] <nidhoegger> hmmm did not think about that
1519[16:52:34] <nidhoegger> I am at least happy that su still is there and I dont have to use sudo :P
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1521[16:53:16] <greycat> The second viable solution is to put /usr/sbin and /sbin in your personal PATH, so that it's there in your PATH after you su. And before you su.
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1528[16:55:36] <greycat> The third is to use "sudo bash" instead of "su".
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1531[16:56:15] <greycat> The drawback of the third solution is that sudo strips a lot of environment variables that you might want to keep around, unless you configure sudo to stop doing that.
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1533[16:56:47] <tsglove> I usually run ip -a to see the status of, say enp0s3 yet, how can I run that command JUST for the interface enp0s3?
1534[16:57:11] <greycat> ip addr show dev enp0s3
1535[16:57:31] <hyperlumic> tsglove: And the dash isn't needed.
1536[16:57:34] <greycat> you can omit "dev" but you cannot omit "show", because the UI design of ip is a shitshow
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1538[16:58:00] <tsglove> omg thank you for letting me know it's a shitshow. I thought I was going crazy
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1540[16:58:05] <tsglove> Thanks to both
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1542[16:58:06] <tsglove> =)
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1547[16:58:44] <premoboss> i create a new partition and moved /usr into to take separate from /. but when i went to /etc/fstab to add a new entry, i discovered that does not exist animore. another damage camin from that never-hated-enough systemd. where have i to poke to add "/dev/sda4 /usr ext4 default 0 0"
1548[16:58:59] <annadane> i guess su - will be recommended when buster becomes stable then
1549[16:59:00] <premoboss> ?
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1551[16:59:06] <GenTooMan> greycat: fortunately that did the job, thanks
1552[16:59:16] <greycat> premoboss: you *really* want to use UUID or LABEL instead of /dev/sda4 in your fstab
1553[16:59:54] <premoboss> greycat, yes. anyway, where to do the magic?
1554[17:00:00] <greycat> In /etc/fstab
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1558[17:01:28] <premoboss> greycat, /etc/fstab is empty. if i do cat /etc/fstab i get as reply this: #UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM
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1560[17:01:38] <greycat> It is not empty in a normal Debian system.
1561[17:02:10] <premoboss> mmm so probably i did some mess around.
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1563[17:03:43] <Ede|Popede> premoboss: if you tried to edit it before, you could do a find in /etc. possibly it was saved under another name.
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1568[17:04:55] <Ede|Popede> err... grep, not find
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1570[17:05:12] <greycat> find /etc -name '*fstab*' is not a bad idea either
1571[17:05:28] <greycat> although it's not likely to be much better than ls /etc/*fstab*
1572[17:05:30] <premoboss> umpf.. i regret so bad dibina moved to systemd.
1573[17:05:50] <premoboss> umpf.. i regret so bad debian moved to systemd.
1574[17:06:12] <greycat> systemd would not explain why your fstab is "empty" except a single comment
1575[17:06:13] <hyperlumic> I somehow don't see how systemd is relevant to the fact that you've apparently damaged your system.
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1577[17:06:38] <premoboss> greycat, it was a "side" complain.
1578[17:06:40] <premoboss> :-)
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1583[17:07:48] <premoboss> hyperlumic, i have my resposnability to have damaged my system for sure. but at ther same time i blame debian moved to systemd. them are 2 independet facts :-)
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1589[17:09:12] <hyperlumic> Still waiting to hear a cogent argument against that choice. I suspect I'll be waiting a very, very long time.
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1592[17:10:10] <greycat> The only *technical* argument I've ever heard that holds any water is about the binary log file format.
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1594[17:10:17] <premoboss> hyperlumic, systemd force me to learn different command and get out from my "comfort zone"
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1596[17:10:27] <jim> premoboss, did anything specific happen because you got switched to systemd?
1597[17:10:29] <annadane> oh no!
1598[17:10:57] <premoboss> nothing is more annoing than to be forced to change your own routine :)
1599[17:11:05] <jim> premoboss, but no specific problems have occured?
1600[17:11:21] <hyperlumic> Why am I hearing violins in the background?
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1602[17:11:40] <shtrb> hyperlumic, systemd services can refuse to start if they do not identify a verb (because of a bug or config) - had a fire alarm stopped working because of that
1603[17:11:48] <jim> premoboss, that's just gonna happen every once in awhile... things change
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1605[17:11:52] <premoboss> hyperlumic, i ear also angel crying asking back previous init ,.-)
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1607[17:12:04] <hyperlumic> premoboss: No, that's just you.
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1610[17:12:33] <premoboss> jim, unfortunately the bad side is when you are forced to change, not coose to change. thats life.
1611[17:12:33] <jim> any chance we can stop the personal attacks?
1612[17:12:33] <shtrb> it's also will perform default network connection (ntp wize) if you did not setup anything. Debian people at least saved us and setup debian servers instead of google
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1614[17:12:49] <joepublic> Actually a lot of people seem to hear those same angels crying. doesn't mean it's happening, just means people think it is.
1615[17:13:01] <premoboss> ahahah yes.
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1618[17:13:46] <jim> premoboss, it's not so bad
1619[17:13:48] <premoboss> i must resign to learn deep this f+king systemd.
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1621[17:14:10] <hyperlumic> The first step is learning not to complain about it at every turn.
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1623[17:15:02] <premoboss> hyperlumic, oh, i am so skilled at complain :-)
1624[17:15:20] <hyperlumic> Sure, but imagine what you could achieve if you channeled that energy into something useful instead.
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1626[17:15:38] <premoboss> hyperlumic, 1 point to you.
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1628[17:16:00] <jusss> I can't use apt-get install wireguard in stretch
1629[17:16:05] <jusss> package not found
1630[17:16:17] <greycat> ,v wireguard
1631[17:16:18] <judd> Package: wireguard on amd64 -- sid: 0.0.20181119-1
1632[17:16:53] <greycat> !checkbackport wireguard
1633[17:16:54] <hyperlumic> Isn't wireguard still in "do not rely on this code" state?
1634[17:16:59] <greycat> ,checkbackport wireguard
1635[17:17:00] <judd> Backporting package wireguard in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
1636[17:17:13] <joepublic> To register an official complaint you can 'sudo nano /dev/null' and write your complaint(s) - when you save it registers the complaints officially.
1637[17:17:25] <jusss> so it's in stretch-backports ?
1638[17:17:29] <jusss> not in stretch
1639[17:17:33] <greycat> I don't have a clue what a wireguard is, but (a) correct, it's not in stretch, or even in buster; (b) you can backport it from sid's source
1640[17:17:58] <greycat> If it were in stretch-backports, judd would have said so. It's not.
1641[17:18:03] <annadane> replaced-url
1642[17:18:14] <jusss> why debian have some many different repos, why no just one like archlinux
1643[17:18:15] <hyperlumic> greycat: VPN implementation that's got a lot of promise, but it's still in a very early state. "WireGuard is not yet complete. You should not rely on this code. It has not undergone proper degrees of security auditing and the protocol is still subject to change." is on the website.
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1645[17:18:39] <greycat> Sounds like a great reason for it not to be in a stable release.
1646[17:19:03] <hyperlumic> Indeed.
1647[17:19:25] <hyperlumic> jusss: Debian is not Arch Linux. Debian has different objectives than Arch does.
1648[17:19:30] <multun> hyperlumic: that's the kind of very early state that would be merged upstream almost soon
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1650[17:19:47] <annadane> debian only has 3, maybe 4 repos if you include backports
1651[17:19:53] <annadane> it's up to you to decide whether that's a lot
1652[17:19:58] <multun> just because it will be so much better than existing stuff already in the kernel
1653[17:20:11] <jusss> hyperlumic: still not found on stretch-backports main, so ? add non-free contrib what?
1654[17:20:29] <hyperlumic> multun: For a cryptographic implementation, I don't really care where it's merged. Until its stabilized and undergoes a proper security audit, it's not worth much except as a toy.
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1657[17:20:38] <jim> premoboss, these kinds of changes will happen periodically... in fact, every time you upgrade to a new major version of debian, you replace every package, and things -will- change.
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1659[17:21:13] <joepublic> not every package is replaced. some are same version right back to wheezy.
1660[17:21:18] <jusss> apt-get install -t stretch-backports wireguard
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1662[17:21:26] <jusss> E: Unable to locate package wireguard
1663[17:21:35] <greycat> As we already said, it is NOT in stretch-backports.
1664[17:21:36] <hyperlumic> jusss: It doesn't exist in stretch backports. You will have to do the backporting yourself.
1665[17:21:53] <premoboss> jim, i know since 1999 when i start wit potato 2.2. anyway, move to systemd seems to me so... "innatural". just only my opinion, of course.
1666[17:21:55] <jusss> where it is
1667[17:22:05] <greycat> !simple sid backport
1668[17:22:05] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1670[17:22:19] <joepublic> jusss, it's in deb-src sid
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1675[17:24:07] <jusss> ok
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1677[17:25:03] <jusss> apt apt-get aptitude apt-xxx why so many apt
1678[17:25:15] <jusss> why not just one
1679[17:25:15] <greycat> because everyone has their own preferred tool
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1683[17:25:56] <jim> premoboss, I don't remember which upgrade this was, but there was a time the binary and executable format was not elf, it was called "a.out format"... in one upgrade, debian moved the executables from a.our to elf, moved from libc4 to libc5... which was a big change... I watched as my installation of debian was upgraded past both of these points at the same time.. that was impressive, and is the initial reason I still run debian today
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1690[17:27:33] <jusss> yeah, then it turn to systemd
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1692[17:29:04] <premoboss> jim i got in love with debian in 1999. potato 2.2 was so bad, no network works. no GUI works. no audio works. instead mandrake 7.2 was easy and fast. but i got the challenge to learn to run debian. And since that moment it was my only distro. simply systemd for me are so hard to bite. maybe i am getting too much old to embrace changes.
1693[17:29:46] <Ede|Popede> changes always mean work. needs time.
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1695[17:30:22] <jusss> I wonder where is wayland and Mir, and why Xorg is still the best
1696[17:30:32] <jim> premoboss, I can understand... systemd is a very big change
1697[17:30:32] <jusss> that's not changes I think
1698[17:30:53] <greycat> The next Debian release is probably going to include Wayland if you use GNOME.
1699[17:31:25] <jusss> greycat: but ubuntu just return Xorg from wayland
1700[17:31:31] <jusss> return to
1701[17:31:35] <greycat> I know almost nothing about it.
1702[17:31:41] <Ede|Popede> how is wayland in ressources compared to X?
1703[17:31:43] <nidhoegger> is it somehow possible to tell the debuild script to build a package for another architecture?
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1705[17:32:19] <greycat> Ede|Popede: well, since 99.9% of everything you run is using X11 libs and protocols, you still need an X11-to-Wayland layer of some kind, so it really doesn't SAVE you anything...
1706[17:32:21] <jusss> systemd is taking the world
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1709[17:33:09] <premoboss> jusss, the qeustion is WHERE is bringing it.
1710[17:33:12] <jusss> systemd has container to replace virtual stuff, has network stuff to replace networking
1711[17:33:23] <jken> I've added iTCO_wdt to initramfs, and confirmed the driver is being loaded alot earlier in the boot. However, it still does not seem to kick in. Looks like the iTCO_wdt module only has 2 params, timeout and nowayout, any idea how I can start the watchdog timer when the driver is loaded? I think even though the driver is loaded earlier, the timer is not initialized until watchdogd starts in userspace, which I will never get to
1712[17:33:25] <Ede|Popede> my order by mem usually is firefox, followed by X and then... pa-volume -.-
1713[17:33:38] <greycat> jusss: Both of which are off by default, and you would have to GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to use them.
1714[17:34:04] <Ede|Popede> still no alsamixer-like client for pa?
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1718[17:34:35] <jusss> greycat: I still don't understand why the most distros choose systemd finally
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1720[17:34:41] <greycat> !why systemd
1721[17:34:41] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at replaced-url
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1723[17:35:27] <greycat> dpkg, why systemd =~ s/8/8-9/
1724[17:35:27] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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1727[17:36:19] <greycat> In a nutshell, it's because everything else is worse.
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1731[17:36:57] <greycat> If you think "but sysvinit was fine! I used it all the time!" then I'm sorry, but you are not technically equipped to have this conversation in the first place.
1732[17:37:16] <jusss> I don't understand debian is for desktop user right? not just for server?
1733[17:37:27] <greycat> It is for everyone, hopefully.
1734[17:37:38] <greycat> What does that have to do with systemd?
1735[17:37:49] <joepublic> And please note that that substantive analysis was written about 1700 days ago =-- 1700 days during each of which someone has launched a non-substantive complaint. Now on day 1701 why would you think that yours would be the special one that convinced everyone?
1736[17:37:50] <jusss> then why debian installed exim ??? it's a smtp server, and I don't see it on other distros
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1738[17:38:12] <greycat> exim4 is the default MTA in Debian if you didn't select a different one, and if you install something that requires an MTA, such as cron
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1741[17:38:52] <greycat> If you're asking "why did Debian choose exim as the default MTA", that's a WHOLE different argument.
1742[17:38:57] <xand> why does debian still have init scripts in /etc/init.d ?
1743[17:39:02] <xand> e.g. for ssh
1744[17:39:06] <greycat> because not every package has been migrated to systemd yet
1745[17:39:08] <jusss> aha, I install cron , I have to install a MTA?
1746[17:39:20] <joepublic> debian runs on non-linux kernels, for that matter.
1747[17:39:21] <greycat> cron has to be able to send you email with the output of your jobs
1748[17:39:29] <greycat> that's what cron DOES
1749[17:39:57] <Ede|Popede> who exactly is "you" here? local root?
1750[17:40:02] <jusss> greycat: but others distros why don't do that
1751[17:40:09] <greycat> Whoever creates a cron job. Yes, root has some by default.
1752[17:40:17] <greycat> jusss: ask them.
1753[17:40:37] <greycat> If susie creates a cron job, then cron has to be able to email susie. And so on.
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1755[17:40:58] <jusss> yeah, another question why exim as default? why not postfix, sendmail,
1756[17:41:06] <Ede|Popede> simple text file wouldn't be less usable
1757[17:41:21] <greycat> THIS. IS. WHAT. CRON. DOES.
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1759[17:41:38] <greycat> Has done so since the 1990s. Or before.
1760[17:42:12] <hansol> can i install (run) debian to USB flash drive, but keep working files to HDD ?
1761[17:42:16] <greycat> Oh, look, it's even in POSIX. replaced-url
1762[17:42:29] <greycat> "If standard output and standard error are not redirected by commands executed from the crontab entry, any generated output or errors shall be mailed, via an implementation-defined method, to the user."
1763[17:43:15] <joepublic> hansol, define working files?
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1765[17:43:37] <jusss> I haven't tried debian on other kernels
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1767[17:44:03] <jusss> maybe I should try it, and see what it is
1768[17:44:06] <j0seph> I heard it can run on GNU/Hurd, too.
1769[17:44:19] <jusss> and Hurd is out?
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1771[17:44:35] <greycat> I haven't hurd any news about Hurd in a long time.
1772[17:44:52] <joepublic> debian on other kernels is a not-ready-for-prime-time experiment. If you don't like debian being technically excellent and standards compliant, then you surely will not be happy about taking that and breaking a bunch of it to get it to work with an alien kernel.
1773[17:44:55] <j0seph> Sort of? It's updated with the regularity that an elephant jumps, but it's 'out' I suppose.
1774[17:45:01] <jelly> jusss, neither hurd nor kfreebsd* are release platforms right now
1775[17:45:04] <jusss> greycat: debian on arm is official supported?
1776[17:45:14] <greycat> I think so.
1777[17:45:30] <greycat> I don't know which of the various ARM arches are supported and which are not.
1778[17:45:44] <jusss> greycat: then chroot on android
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1781[17:45:58] <greycat> I am not the best person to ask about ARM stuff.
1782[17:46:13] <jelly> there's a #debian-arm on irc.debian.org
1783[17:46:14] <hansol> replaced-url
1784[17:46:18] <hansol> why i cant open file ?
1785[17:46:19] <jusss> I did try chroot debian and archlinux on android arm v7h
1786[17:46:31] <jusss> a few years ago
1787[17:46:46] <jusss> but time's changed
1788[17:46:46] <jelly> hansol, alioth is dead. What references that URL?
1789[17:47:03] <hansol> joepublic appache files and all program files stored in hdd ?
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1791[17:47:36] <hansol> there debian live cd ?
1792[17:47:42] <greycat> !live
1793[17:47:42] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
1794[17:47:44] <joepublic> hansol, during install the usb stick should be available just like any other drive, and the configuration you are describing sounds possible.
1795[17:48:13] <jusss> I tried install debian through debian bootstrap
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1797[17:48:42] <hansol> ok i have choosed manual hardware installation
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1806[17:52:34] <hansol> i have SDA HITACHI and SDC Kingston
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1808[17:53:51] <hansol> where i have to install RAW
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1850[18:13:34] <hansol> failed to determine the codename of release
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1853[18:14:26] <ikarosuusi> heya
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1855[18:14:49] <hansol> failed to determine the codename of the release
1856[18:15:23] <hansol> on install base system
1857[18:15:44] <ikarosuusi> my soundcard keeps "turning on / off" depending on activity
1858[18:15:47] <ikarosuusi> or something like that
1859[18:15:53] <ikarosuusi> producing massive popping
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1862[18:16:13] <ikarosuusi> when it goes off the speakers bang and then it's a quiet buzz
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1865[18:16:50] <ikarosuusi> when it turns on it's another massive bang followed by either the source of sound or just silence depending on the source of the sound
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1867[18:17:10] <ikarosuusi> replaced-url
1868[18:17:16] <ikarosuusi> but youtube activates the card
1869[18:17:28] <ikarosuusi> it's like ... killing my speakers
1870[18:18:03] <amicofl> failed to determine the codename of release >> you try netinstall?
1871[18:18:39] <amicofl> pulseaudio?
1872[18:20:40] <at0m> ikarosuusi: that sounds like powersaving. as root, echo 'on' > '/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:1b.0/power/control' where "00:1b.0" is as per lspci | grep Audio
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1874[18:21:14] <at0m> ikarosuusi: so lspci first, to find where your soundcard's at, then as root that echo line^
1875[18:21:27] <at0m> alternatively, check out powertop
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1877[18:22:21] <at0m> ikarosuusi: you could first cat that /sys/bus/.. file, it's probably "auto" now
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1881[18:24:19] <ikarosuusi> hmm it's on
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1883[18:25:44] <at0m> ikarosuusi: is this powered speakers? what happens if you plug in headphones? (could be something with your electrical power, maybe bad ground/static somewhere?)
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1885[18:26:10] <ikarosuusi> it happens the moment i put youtube on
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1887[18:27:00] <ikarosuusi> like *pop* *pop* SOUND *click pause* *takes a second* *pop* quiet hiss
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1889[18:27:09] <at0m> and only with youtube? what if you play local media? or youtube-dl $sameYTlink?
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1891[18:27:29] <ikarosuusi> it's a fresh machine so I don't have any local media
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1893[18:27:54] <ikarosuusi> installing youtube-dl
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1895[18:28:21] <hansol> can u give me debian preconfiguration file
1896[18:28:27] <hansol> good for webhosting
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1898[18:29:10] <at0m> do other sites give same error? here's a song recently posted in #opensourcemusicians, if you want a local file, wget replaced-url
1899[18:29:17] <hyperlumic> hansol: No. You need to learn how to build, operate, manage, and maintain your own system.
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1903[18:30:21] <ikarosuusi> yeah, other sites "give same error"
1904[18:30:22] <annadane> also if you're webhosting probably better to actually understand the technology rather than just blindly get told the answers
1905[18:30:32] <hansol> but give me preconfiguration file it needed for automate install
1906[18:30:35] <annadane> there may be a few articles on it though
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1909[18:30:54] <ikarosuusi> the error the sites give, is activating the sound card
1910[18:30:57] <ikarosuusi> which isn't an error at all
1911[18:31:01] <ikarosuusi> quite contrary
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1913[18:31:24] <hyperlumic> hansol: My previous statement remains unchanged.
1914[18:31:27] <ikarosuusi> the error seems to be somewhere else, turning the device seemingly off, thus leading an electric spike to the speakers, unwanted
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1919[18:31:47] <ikarosuusi> it's not only destructive, but it's quite unbearable
1920[18:32:02] <hyperlumic> hansol: Learn how to build and administer the system instead of relying on preconfigured stuff that you don't understand.
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1922[18:33:30] <ikarosuusi> power management really sounded like it
1923[18:33:33] <ikarosuusi> but I guess not then
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1929[18:35:24] <at0m> ikarosuusi: if it's not, set your computer's volume way up, and your amp down.
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1931[18:35:53] <at0m> cos if the amp is set to not be too loud, i wonder how it can produce such loud bursts
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1933[18:36:29] <at0m> this won't solve the burst, but may make it more acceptable for now
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1935[18:37:07] <ikarosuusi> replaced-url
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1937[18:37:26] <ikarosuusi> but I guess you're right, setting the amp low is going to have to do for now..
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1942[18:37:55] <ikarosuusi> because I just hit an error after 7 hours of compiling tensorflow on the other machine
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1949[18:38:23] <at0m> do you have something that blocks scripts in your browser, like noscript? if so, allow scripts for brainaural.com
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1956[18:39:06] <greycat> Seriously, I'd start by playing an audio file from local disk.
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1959[18:39:18] <greycat> Rule out *all* of the web and network stuff first.
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1961[18:39:38] <at0m> ikarosuusi: did you youtube-dl an url or wget that linx.li?
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1965[18:40:42] <joepublic> I_StartupSound: Hope you hear a pop.
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1967[18:42:25] <ikarosuusi> it's pretty obvious "the effect" is happening as we communicate
1968[18:42:46] <ikarosuusi> because when this symptom is at the "off" state (i have named it), then there's a buzzing
1969[18:43:05] <ikarosuusi> when it becomes "on", it pops, followed by silence
1970[18:43:11] <ikarosuusi> which is the audio
1971[18:43:25] <ikarosuusi> which is then followed by the actual audio
1972[18:43:26] <at0m> ikarosuusi: sounds like static. you haven't played a local file, nor tried headphones to exclude bad electrical wiring.
1973[18:43:29] <ikarosuusi> get it?
1974[18:43:38] <ikarosuusi> there's supposed to be silence, but there isn't
1975[18:43:39] <at0m> i get it but you're not answering questions
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1978[18:44:00] <ikarosuusi> yeah the headphones are in an awkward place
1979[18:44:06] <ikarosuusi> and I'm downloading the local file
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1981[18:44:18] <at0m> ok we'll wait for results for that.
1982[18:44:27] <ikarosuusi> yes happens with the local file too
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1984[18:45:03] <ikarosuusi> as soon as I pause the youtube video (local) it takes about one and a half seconds to go into this let's call it power saving mode for lack of a better term
1985[18:45:44] <at0m> ok. now headphones. and if that's too hard to find, try different wall socket for electrical power. preferably on the same line as your computer.
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1990[18:47:01] <ikarosuusi> I'll go get the headphones
1991[18:47:11] <at0m> closer in the line to your computer is less prone to static noise - both amp & pc will have same DC offset and ground
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1993[18:47:25] <ikarosuusi> meanwhile: I turned vlc volume to 3% so it's practically inaudible
1994[18:47:39] <ikarosuusi> set the thing to repeat, and now there's silence.
1995[18:47:40] <at0m> ikarosuusi: turn the amp down instead
1996[18:47:47] <at0m> and leave pc level UP
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1999[18:48:10] <at0m> you're only decreasing signal to noise ratio by turning audio level down on the pc.
2000[18:48:17] <at0m> aka, more noise.
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2002[18:48:35] <annadane> i can't believe i have to ask this but where can i put waterfox (yes i know it's not a part of debian) so it actually auto updates, just my home directory? i think i tried that last time and it wouldn't update
2003[18:49:10] <annadane> i think for the typical program it should do that
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2005[18:49:35] <annadane> as far as i know i haven't changed any attributes in my home
2006[18:49:54] <annadane> drwxr-xr-x
2007[18:50:35] <annadane> i'll go ask them and not bother you guys, anyway
2008[18:51:12] <joepublic> There is a waterfox repository; see: replaced-url
2009[18:51:41] <annadane> i don't really feel like automatically trusting that
2010[18:51:48] <joepublic> as you wish.
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2012[18:53:45] <annadane> /usr/local maybe? drwxrwsr-x
2013[18:54:12] <annadane> if i can just find their irc channel i can ask them
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2017[18:55:01] <ikarosuusi> I'm not getting anything from the headphones
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2020[18:55:36] <at0m> ikarosuusi: in the same plug?
2021[18:55:41] <ikarosuusi> yeah, same plug
2022[18:55:51] <at0m> ikarosuusi: and your volume is above 3% already?
2023[18:55:55] <ikarosuusi> yep
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2025[18:56:22] <ikarosuusi> the 3% + repeat made it so that it doesn't deactivate, thus keeping it from not going to the noisy state
2026[18:56:33] <ikarosuusi> that was it's only purpose
2027[18:56:46] <ikarosuusi> I did turn the amp down though just so it doesn't break any equipment
2028[18:56:49] <at0m> ah. but your alsa volume is up? check in alsamixer
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2030[18:57:26] <ikarosuusi> yep, it's up
2031[18:57:30] <at0m> if the bursts are so loud you're afraid to damage gear, i suspect your amp is way too loud and your pc volume down somewhere
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2033[18:57:45] <at0m> don't just check the tray cos alsamixer has different channels that could be down
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2036[18:58:02] <ikarosuusi> at0m yeah this is the third time I'm saying this to you: I turned the amp down. Now accept it.
2037[18:58:05] <watchcat> i just put standalone programs in ~/bin/, but i gues you could make a use 'slone' (or something) and put them in that dir. then make yourself a member of the slone group with r/w/x access. annadane.
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2039[18:58:41] <ikarosuusi> yeah I'm sure it's up
2040[18:58:46] <ikarosuusi> like, it's a simple card
2041[18:58:58] <annadane> i need to ask them anyway because they know the structure of their program more than #debian
2042[18:59:00] <annadane> sorry for the noise
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2044[18:59:14] <ikarosuusi> looking at both, alsamixer and pulsemixer
2045[18:59:18] <at0m> ikarosuusi: mine too. intel-hda, 18 controls.
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2051[19:00:13] <ikarosuusi> I got hda-nvidia, 10 all-in-all, counting playback, capture and loopback mixing
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2066[19:03:27] <ikarosuusi> ok huh weird pulseaudio --kill did it now I got sound from headphones
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2068[19:03:43] <orl> Hi!
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2071[19:03:59] <ikarosuusi> and the headphones pop too
2072[19:04:00] <greycat> Woo!
2073[19:04:01] <orl> I'm experiencing some problems with dri in playonlinux since a recent upgrade
2074[19:04:25] <ikarosuusi> I'd rather pop the speakers with low amp though
2075[19:04:52] <orl> I get errors complaining about i915_dri.so and swrast_dri that can't be loaded
2076[19:05:09] <orl> still, those libs are present in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu
2077[19:05:26] <orl> I've tried linking them straitghly in /usr/lib/dri, but it doesn't work either.
2078[19:06:01] <orl> And all the researches I did on the web lead me to old problems not related (at first sight) with mine.
2079[19:06:04] <orl> any idea?
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2114[19:24:52] <orl> OK, I just found it
2115[19:24:55] <orl> I needed to use stretch-backports version of libmesa
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2158[19:51:43] <zmeu> Heya! why I can ping6 from external to my ip, but internal I don't have reply ?
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2166[19:55:04] <CyberFingers> I'm not able to get a crontab to execute, only works from command line. Any suggestions how to get this work? Thanks
2167[19:55:21] <jken> If I configure an interface to use link-local rather than DHCP, will it receive the same IP address on each boot?
2168[19:55:24] <hyperlumic> zmeu: Commands and output would be helpful here.
2169[19:55:29] <jken> (if not already taken on the network segment)
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2172[19:56:13] <zmeu> PING google.com(bud02s22-in-x0e.1e100.net (2a00:1xxxxxx)) 56 data bytes
2173[19:56:13] <zmeu> --- google.com ping statistics ---
2174[19:56:15] <zmeu> 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4074ms
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2176[19:57:13] <zmeu> PING 2a03:9c00:f:19::dead(2a03:9c00:f:19::dead) 56 data bytes
2177[19:57:13] <zmeu> 64 bytes from 2a03:9c00:f:19::dead: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=4.39 ms
2178[19:57:13] <greycat> whyindahell would you spit out every piece of the line including the fully qualified domain name and then censor the IPv6 address OF THAT VERY SAME fqdn, when both of them are as public as you can possibly get
2179[19:57:43] <zmeu> from external source i can ping my server.. but internal i cannot do anything, ping, wget, etc
2180[19:58:20] <hyperlumic> You're not google, so I assume you mean ping FROM your server?
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2182[19:58:32] <zmeu> yes
2183[19:58:44] <zmeu> first output is form my server
2184[19:58:45] <zmeu> from*
2185[19:58:51] <zmeu> i have 100% packet loss
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2187[19:59:02] <zmeu> when I try to ping google
2188[19:59:03] <hyperlumic> zmeu: Start over, and describe your issue correctly, please.
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2193[19:59:57] <zmeu> okay. why I cannot access internet over ipv6 from my server? and why I can ping my server from another server(external source) and internal i cannot do it
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2195[20:01:01] <hyperlumic> zmeu: You keep talking about pinging your server, but then the output you provide shows that you're pinging something else FROM your own system, so which is it?
2196[20:01:13] <zmeu> man
2197[20:01:19] <BCMM> zmeu: that ping command you showed; did you run it on your server or what?
2198[20:01:25] <zmeu> yes
2199[20:01:38] <greycat> There were two ping outputs shown (partially shown).
2200[20:01:44] <greycat> It's confusing as hell.
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2202[20:02:09] <BCMM> oh, right
2203[20:02:10] <zmeu> # ping6 google.com
2204[20:02:10] <zmeu> PING google.com(bud02s26-in-x0e.1e100.net (2a00:1450:400d:809::200e)) 56 data bytes
2205[20:02:10] <hyperlumic> Okay, that's the piece I was missing because information isn't being communicated well.
2206[20:02:11] <zmeu> ^C
2207[20:02:11] <zmeu> --- google.com ping statistics ---
2208[20:02:13] <zmeu> 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4073ms
2209[20:02:13] <hyperlumic> zmeu: Stop.
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2211[20:02:16] <hyperlumic> !paste
2212[20:02:16] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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2215[20:02:36] <zmeu> ok. anyway. this is "ping" from my server to Google
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2217[20:02:51] <zmeu> and I don't receive replay
2218[20:03:08] <zmeu> but when I ping my IPv6 from another server, i have replay
2219[20:03:09] <zmeu> reply
2220[20:03:11] <hyperlumic> Half of google's servers don't respond to pings anyway.
2221[20:03:22] <greycat> that has never been my experience
2222[20:03:31] <hyperlumic> It's been mine.
2223[20:03:33] <zmeu> don't responde any server
2224[20:03:36] * greycat tries a "ping google.com" and gets a response
2225[20:03:37] <zmeu> any ipv6
2226[20:03:42] <hyperlumic> greycat: Good for you.
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2228[20:03:52] <greycat> every time I've tried it in the past, I've always got a response
2229[20:03:57] <zmeu> yes
2230[20:03:58] <n4dir> same here.
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2232[20:04:06] <zmeu> but my server don't respond to ANY ipv6
2233[20:04:15] <greycat> 14:03 zmeu> but when I ping my IPv6 from another server, i have replay
2234[20:04:19] <greycat> 14:04 zmeu> but my server don't respond to ANY ipv6
2235[20:04:22] <zmeu> yes
2236[20:04:22] <greycat> Which is it?
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2238[20:04:26] <zmeu> 64 bytes from 2a03:9c00:f:19::dead: icmp_seq=212 ttl=56 time=2.13 ms
2239[20:04:29] <zmeu> this is my ip
2240[20:04:35] <zmeu> of server who i tried to ping google
2241[20:04:39] <zmeu> 2a03:9c00:f:19::dead
2242[20:04:47] <zmeu> if you ping it, you have reply
2243[20:05:04] <zmeu> so all is work, but why i cannot ping from my server to ANY ipv6
2244[20:05:17] <zmeu> this is the weird question
2245[20:05:53] <hyperlumic> Can you curl or wget google.com?
2246[20:06:01] <zmeu> nope
2247[20:06:07] <zmeu> only over ipv4
2248[20:06:08] <hyperlumic> Did you try?
2249[20:06:15] <hyperlumic> Because that was an awfully quick 'nope.'
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2251[20:06:23] <zmeu> # curl -6 google.com
2252[20:06:27] <zmeu> dont respond
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2255[20:06:50] <zmeu> * Trying 2a00:1450:400d:803::200e... * TCP_NODELAY set
2256[20:07:02] <hyperlumic> Output of 'ip -6 a' and 'ip -6 r' please?
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2258[20:07:15] <zmeu> sure
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2262[20:07:58] <hyperlumic> greycat: Also, thinking about it, it's not all that rare that ISPs throttle or drop ICMP echo requests that cross points under load. Maybe mine does and yours doesn't, leading to my experience of pings failing to Google IPs.
2263[20:08:12] <zmeu> replaced-url
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2265[20:09:03] <hyperlumic> What. The. Hell. Am I reading.
2266[20:09:08] <zmeu> xD
2267[20:09:15] <zmeu> It's a BGP connection
2268[20:09:53] <joepublic> may i just say that "dead" is a very cool ip address
2269[20:09:55] <hyperlumic> /126 as a prefix length for an IPv6 connection is so fantastically against standards.
2270[20:10:01] <ikarosuusi> I'm sure if deb or ian heard about my problems they would be concerned about the state of audio in debian.
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2274[20:10:35] <greycat> ikarosuusi: nobody else is having your issues, so it's not likely to be a "state of the ___" thing
2275[20:10:46] <ikarosuusi> it's not "my issue"
2276[20:11:04] <ikarosuusi> it's not like it's my personal fucking point of view to my post menstrual stress
2277[20:11:15] <ikarosuusi> it's a machine
2278[20:11:16] <zmeu> hyperlumic: so you recommend me to change /126 ?
2279[20:11:23] <ikarosuusi> I'm not the machine.
2280[20:11:37] <hyperlumic> zmeu: I don't have a recommendation, because I don't know how the network is supposed to be configured, but I can just about promise you that THAT is not right.
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2282[20:11:59] <zmeu> hyperlumic: i am running "bird" bgp on it .
2283[20:12:16] <ikarosuusi> I installed debian, xmonad, chromium, alsa and pulseaudio -> the problem, of the machine.
2284[20:12:49] <zmeu> hyperlumic: and "dead" range is assigned by ip -6 addr add dev <interface> <ip6>
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2287[20:13:18] <zmeu> hyperlumic: also the network has one ip6 static with netmask 126
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2289[20:13:55] <zmeu> hyperlumic: my ISP told me to write netmask 126
2290[20:14:00] <ikarosuusi> my issues can be something that are related to, let's say, communication
2291[20:15:05] <joepublic> your communication issues are, not to put too fine a point on it, not a problem with the "state of ________" mentioned earlier, nor do the positited opinions of people who either have died or are not part of a particular project.
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2293[20:15:42] <joepublic> I am sorry you are having audio issues. It's frustrating when your system doesn't work as expected.
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2299[20:17:26] <ikarosuusi> oh wow yeah sorry
2300[20:17:28] <ikarosuusi> geez
2301[20:17:35] <ikarosuusi> I don't think ian would have given less
2302[20:17:55] <greycat> *plonk*
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2304[20:19:57] <ikarosuusi> I feel overly puzzled
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2341[20:35:25] <jelly> !qotd0
2342[20:35:26] <dpkg> <Unrealac> Please tell me some channel free shells? <Wyzard_> Unrealac: If you want shells, go to the beach
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2350[20:37:02] <rblss-fsf> any python / mysql ide that work well with debian someone could recommend?
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2357[20:38:25] <joepublic> I use mysql-workbench but it complains about mariadb every time you open a connection
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2359[20:39:19] <bites> pycharm. not in the debian repos though. updating is a bit annoying.
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2368[20:42:24] <storrgie> is there a way to change the systemd preset for debian so that it doesnt automatically start a service for a newly installed package?
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2395[20:57:35] <jelly> !policy-rc.d
2396[20:57:36] <dpkg> [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See replaced-url
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2399[20:58:26] <jelly> storrgie, ^ that ought to work even for packages that provide systemd services
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2402[20:59:30] <jelly> I'm not aware of a ready-made policy script that prevents starts on initial installation but does stop and start on package upgrades
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2405[21:00:45] <jelly> storrgie, policy-rc.d does not affect starting services after reboot tho, and they will probably still be enabled
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2508[21:58:10] <Starz0r> I have an issue when trying to mount an image from Raspbian, I keep getting Operation not permitted despite running the command on root
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2510[21:58:34] <nkuttler> !raspbian
2511[21:58:34] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
2512[21:58:46] <Starz0r> I'm doing the mount command on a debian machine
2513[21:58:59] <Starz0r> nkuttler:
2514[21:59:06] <nkuttler> what kind of image? an iso?
2515[21:59:14] <Starz0r> suffix is .img
2516[21:59:23] <nkuttler> paste command + full output
2517[21:59:28] <nkuttler> use paste.debian.net
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2525[22:01:42] <Starz0r> nkuttler: replaced-url
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2529[22:03:46] <nkuttler> Starz0r: try mount --verbose
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2532[22:04:10] <Starz0r> nkuttler: I already tried that, it just prints the same thing
2533[22:04:33] <nkuttler> Starz0r: do you know which filesystem that image uses? i'm not familiar with the offset option
2534[22:05:04] <Starz0r> nkuttler: according to fdisk FAT32 for the boot partition and ext4 for rootfs
2535[22:05:24] <Starz0r> I'm trying to specifically mount the rootfs and then boot
2536[22:05:27] <nkuttler> ugh, so there are two filesystems in that img file...
2537[22:05:33] <Starz0r> yep
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2539[22:05:45] <nkuttler> sounds like a #raspbian question to me tbh
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2541[22:05:54] <nkuttler> they should know better about their images
2542[22:06:08] <noln> please paste ''ls -l filename.img''
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2545[22:06:37] <nkuttler> yeah, might also want to checksum it against the checksum raspbian provides..
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2548[22:07:50] <noln> the contents should not matter, this is just mount failing on a fat32 or whatever
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2552[22:09:04] <Starz0r> noln: replaced-url
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2555[22:09:44] <Starz0r> dunno if it's worth mentioning, but if I paste this same image file I'm working with to my main Windows machine, I can open it up in 7zip just fine
2556[22:10:11] <Starz0r> I usually do this process on a Linux machine since I need a working GCC compiler that targets ARM64
2557[22:11:27] <nkuttler> what does file 2018-11-13-raspbian-stretch-lite.img say?
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2559[22:11:58] <zumba_addict> hi all. Is anyone familiar with sysrq? Someone told me to use it to do a backtrace of kernel
2560[22:12:09] <nkuttler> Starz0r: look also into dmesg | tail after mounting
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2562[22:12:34] <Starz0r> nkuttler: replaced-url
2563[22:12:42] <nkuttler> zumba_addict: do you have a more specific question?
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2565[22:12:48] <rebrec> hello
2566[22:13:59] <zumba_addict> nkuttler: I'd like to learn how to debug an outage. I'd like to simulate a hung process on my debian machine using different tools. However, the real issue is on another machine running Jenkins which encounters a kworker process at 100% cpu utilization
2567[22:14:28] <apollo13> removing jenkins usually helps :D
2568[22:14:29] <zumba_addict> so he told me that strace is the wrong tool to use
2569[22:14:31] <pistache> zumba_addict: do you know about crash (crash-utility) ?
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2572[22:14:39] <zumba_addict> no pistache
2573[22:14:45] <nkuttler> !tell zumba_addict about sysrq
2574[22:14:56] <rebrec> i need help with an ugly upgrade i have started from a not up to date wheezy to squeeze... i had problems installing new software (python-pip) on my vps. i discovered that i was still in wheezy( yeah... no comments...) i dit apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade then updated my apt source.list for squeeze. Then did again update/upgrad
2575[22:14:56] <rebrec> e/dist upgrade and now i am stuck with error messages telling this :
2576[22:15:06] <nkuttler> zumba_addict: that being said... are those vms?
2577[22:15:20] <rebrec> dpkg: considering deconfiguration of sysvinit-utils, which would be broken by installation of startpar ...
2578[22:15:20] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, rebrec
2579[22:15:20] <rebrec> dpkg: no, sysvinit-utils is essential, will not deconfigure
2580[22:15:20] <rebrec>
2581[22:15:28] <zumba_addict> it's an AWS EC2 instance. However, on my test machine, it's bare metal
2582[22:15:33] <nkuttler> rebrec: dpkg is a bot
2583[22:15:35] <pistache> it can help you inspect the current state of the kernel (it's based on gdb, but it's not a kernel debugger)
2584[22:15:41] <pistache> ^ zumba_addict
2585[22:15:43] <nkuttler> oh, never mind...
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2587[22:15:56] <rebrec> nkuttler it was just copy/paste, not a msg to dpkg lol
2588[22:15:57] <zumba_addict> oh pistache, that would be cool
2589[22:16:06] <nkuttler> rebrec: paste.debian.net
2590[22:16:14] <rebrec> ha... okay
2591[22:16:25] <zumba_addict> which tools can I use and do you have any article, doc, or howto I can read?
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2593[22:16:51] <nkuttler> rebrec: full command and output please
2594[22:16:52] <pistache> zumba_addict: it's available in the crash package. iirc you will see more useful results with debugging symbols installed and by booting with 'nokaslr'
2595[22:16:54] <rebrec> thought 2 lines of copy paste would be allowed... sorry ... here is the link replaced-url
2596[22:16:55] <zumba_addict> we just want to know the real culprit on our Jenkins outage that has been happening for 4 months now
2597[22:17:16] <zumba_addict> pistache: got it
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2600[22:17:44] <pistache> zumba_addict: if you want to go further, you might want to try setting up KGDB (but it requires virtualizing the debugged system, or running it on a machine with a serial port and debugging on another machineb)
2601[22:17:45] <zumba_addict> is this crash package not distro specific?
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2603[22:18:12] <zumba_addict> pistache: impossible to connect via serial port since it's in AWS premise
2604[22:18:24] <pistache> what do you mean ? it's packaged in Debian
2605[22:18:26] <jelly> dpkg, forget sysvinit-utils
2606[22:18:28] <dpkg> jelly: i forgot sysvinit-utils
2607[22:18:30] <zumba_addict> got it
2608[22:18:31] <pistache> ah, I don't know about using KGDB in AWS
2609[22:19:00] <zumba_addict> I guess, kgdb is the same as gdb but in gui
2610[22:19:06] <pistache> nope
2611[22:19:10] <zumba_addict> oh ok
2612[22:19:12] <pistache> it's gdb but the kernel
2613[22:19:18] <zumba_addict> got it, cool
2614[22:19:27] <pistache> I think you can understand that you cannot debug a kernel from a process running in the same kernel ?
2615[22:19:35] <zumba_addict> so with kgbd, it will help pinpoint why we're getting a stuck process?
2616[22:19:40] <pistache> because of that, you need some additional infrastructure to debug in kernel
2617[22:19:51] <zumba_addict> oh
2618[22:19:53] <pistache> crash could be enough for that
2619[22:20:01] <pistache> kgdb will allow you to setup breakpoints
2620[22:20:06] <zumba_addict> got it
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2622[22:20:13] <rebrec> nkuttler replaced-url
2623[22:20:26] <zumba_addict> and with kgdb, it requires a kernel compile or just an option during reboot?
2624[22:20:50] <pistache> it requires a kernel compiled with specific non-default options, and another machine
2625[22:21:08] <pistache> as well as a way to connect to the debugged kernel, which is usually a serial port
2626[22:21:45] <zumba_addict> got it
2627[22:21:54] <rebrec> nkuttler any chances for me to fix this with your help ?
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2630[22:21:59] <pistache> it also requires a recent gdb, as you will need some scripts to load the linux debugging symbols
2631[22:21:59] <zumba_addict> so looks like kgdb is impossible
2632[22:22:10] <pistache> yeah in AWS it looks hard
2633[22:22:24] <pistache> crash will allow you to inspect all of the kernel's state
2634[22:22:25] <rebrec> i am ok to break things (remove apache/php and so on, if i can keep my base os, i would be glad)
2635[22:22:40] <zumba_addict> we've been battling this jenkins outage for more than 4 months now :( and we still couldn't figure out the issue. We think it's nfs
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2637[22:22:59] <pistache> however, crash won't allow you to setup breakpoints
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2640[22:23:41] <zumba_addict> k
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2645[22:25:02] <pistache> zumba_addict: do you have a stack trace to show for your jenkins outage ?
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2647[22:25:18] <zumba_addict> did you mean strace?
2648[22:25:23] <nkuttler> rebrec: i would start by removing the offending apache and libdbi packages, your main problem seems to be startpar though
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2650[22:25:30] <nkuttler> rebrec: are you not using systemd?
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2652[22:25:45] <pistache> zumba_addict: no, stack trace of hung processes (in dmesg)
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2654[22:26:05] <zumba_addict> pistache: like any jenkins log message?
2655[22:26:12] <nkuttler> rebrec: what happens when you dpkg -i the startpar package directly?
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2658[22:26:54] <pistache> zumba_addict: ah, I may have misunderstood some previous messages
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2660[22:27:05] <pistache> your only symptoms are jenkins hanging ? no messages in dmesg ?
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2662[22:27:46] <rebrec> nkuttler still in wheezy so the answer is no i guess. i tried apt-get remove startpar but i get " Unable to locate package starpa". I also tried dpkg -l startpar which gives me : "in startpar <none> amd64 (no description available)"
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2664[22:27:49] <zumba_addict> there could be some important messages there but my teammates didn't know how to debug. The affected jenkins service got terminated the other day. I was really pissed off :(
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2666[22:28:20] <nkuttler> rebrec: well it's startpar
2667[22:28:22] <jelly> rebrec, are you sure you started with a wheezy installation?
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2669[22:28:41] <jelly> rebrec, and that you're actually doing wheezy->jessie?
2670[22:29:01] <pistache> zumba_addict: wew, nice. I can understand you were pissed off.
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2672[22:29:18] <rebrec> jelly i was using since more than 800 days of uptime a vps ... on wheezy with almost no updates done .... :(
2673[22:29:21] <pistache> anyway, you will need some more info to debug, and to find a way to reproduce it
2674[22:29:24] <rebrec> jelly: yes !
2675[22:29:29] <zumba_addict> pistache: we are thinking that NFS is the culprit. However, once I stop the jenkins service, the NFS mount becomes accessible again without even remounting it
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2679[22:30:11] <zumba_addict> the only thing I remember is that kworker was at 100% cpu util in one of the 4 cores for hours
2680[22:30:29] <jelly> rebrec, if you can revert to previous state (from a snapshot or backup), first do an upgrade of wheezy to latest wheezy. Then read jessie release notes and try to follow the procedure.
2681[22:30:31] <rebrec> nkuttler replaced-url
2682[22:30:47] <rebrec> jelly i don't have access to snapshots
2683[22:31:05] <pistache> zumba_addict: and do you have some jenkins error logs ?
2684[22:31:13] <rebrec> jelly i did a full update/upgrade to latest packages version of wheezy before switching my source.list to squeeze
2685[22:31:22] <jelly> rebrec, jessie dammit
2686[22:31:52] <jelly> squeeze was debian 6, you're going from 7 to 8
2687[22:31:57] <jelly> apparently
2688[22:32:13] <rebrec> jelly in fact i realized (lately) that my vps provider (ovh) was providing me a debian mirror of its own which is (from what i can read on forums) not up to date at all with debian officials mirros...
2689[22:32:33] <zumba_addict> pistache: check this out during the outage - replaced-url
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2691[22:32:36] <rebrec> i was in wheezy
2692[22:32:46] <rebrec> and try to go to squeeze
2693[22:32:51] <zumba_addict> pistache: the error logs are gone too :(
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2695[22:32:53] <nkuttler> rebrec: keep in mind that upgrading debian might not be possible if you're on some ancient kernel
2696[22:32:53] <jelly> rebrec, NOT SQUEEZE
2697[22:33:17] <rebrec> umm sorry
2698[22:33:28] <rebrec> i am tired i say bullshit... i mean jessie sorry
2699[22:33:39] <rebrec> from wheezy to jessie (sorry again)
2700[22:33:41] <jelly> but anyway.
2701[22:33:43] <hyperlumic> rebrec: His all-caps warning was actually to protect you.
2702[22:33:44] <jelly> libdbi-perl depends on perl (>= 5.20.0-4); however:
2703[22:33:44] <jelly> Version of perl on system is 5.10.1-17squeeze6.
2704[22:33:44] <jelly>
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2706[22:34:16] <jelly> rebrec, your system was at least in some important ways still debian 6 (squeeze)
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2708[22:35:00] <jelly> you did not, in fact do a full upgrade of wheezy, because you'd have wheezy's perl 5.14 in place
2709[22:35:20] <greycat> Yup, you've gotta finish the upgrade to wheezy before you can start upgrading to jessie.
2710[22:35:26] <jelly> what you managed to do is skip a release which is explicitely unsupported
2711[22:35:31] <pistache> zumba_addict: yup, kworker stuck. however that's still not a lot of info
2712[22:35:35] <rebrec> nkuttler anyway i know i am in an almost dead end. but since i am not a debian expert i said myself : "this is the good time to learn more about some advanced apt/dpkg commands" so i went there to discover with your help (maybe) some commands to say to apt "hey stop trying to install your stuff and just remove that package or install this one" (so
2713[22:35:35] <rebrec> i can get some upgrade process maybe even with some very basic packages installed
2714[22:35:46] <zumba_addict> yup, not enough :(
2715[22:35:52] <jelly> rebrec, which kernel is running there?
2716[22:36:08] <zumba_addict> I wish I was online during the other outage(not the outage I was on)
2717[22:36:11] <rebrec> Linux ks3281193.kimsufi.com 3.2.13-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 29 09:48:59 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2718[22:36:22] * jelly blinks
2719[22:36:26] <rebrec> lol
2720[22:36:36] <zumba_addict> that outage was from Nov 17 pistache. We had another outage on Nov 21
2721[22:36:54] <jelly> okay, that kernel might or might not be enough for jessie userspace
2722[22:37:10] <jelly> it _probably_ won't be good enough for systemd as init
2723[22:37:16] <zumba_addict> I was hoping they run strace to the running process but not sure if that will help
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2727[22:38:22] <rebrec> well... i am here to learn how to fix things... if you guys/girls are telling me that from even you experts wouldn't have no way to fix this, just tell me and i won't bother you and will have to do a full reinstall (but my goal here is to learn about apt/dpkg / packages dependancies and how to fix when things gets stuck, the time spend is not a pro
2728[22:38:22] <rebrec> blem... it's jsut a personnel server, not a production one
2729[22:38:26] <jelly> rebrec, how important is this installation to you? Can you save data and reinstall?
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2732[22:39:27] <jelly> it's going to be problematic fixing it in this state over irc, because of several wrong steps taken so far
2733[22:39:46] <rebrec> jelly i guess my answer is in my last message : not important (at least i now how to start again from scratch, but i would really have loved to use this current problem to learn more about how it could be fixed (or tried to fix)
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2738[22:40:46] <nkuttler> rebrec: you should consider getting a new vm, with a more recent kernel, and migrate the data there. or switch to a better hoster
2739[22:40:50] <jelly> if it were me I'd probably go with greycat's idea, get rid of jessie repos and put in wheezy ones, remove packages that got upgraded to jessie (debian 8), and try doing a release to wheezy (7) first
2740[22:41:08] <rebrec> jelly but i guess the time you spend answering dumb questions like mine can be better used so if you don't have time to spend teaching me / explaining me stuff that have 80% chances not to work, i won't complain, don't worry
2741[22:41:38] <jelly> that probability is about right ;-)
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2743[22:41:56] <rebrec> nkuttler i can start from scratch, that's not a real problem, most of my configuration is done through ansible and i don't have much services running, i am just currious
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2745[22:42:03] <rebrec> jelly :)
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2748[22:42:37] <zumba_addict> pistache: this person is using 2 machines to debug kernel usaing kgdb. Are 2 machines really required? - replaced-url
2749[22:42:56] <jelly> it's an interesting exercise but you'll end up with a mostly working system with unknown leftover cruft from debian 6 and still need to migrate to a clean setup
2750[22:42:59] <rebrec> sorry greycat i didn't read your message
2751[22:43:13] <rebrec> thanks for this advice and for jelly to mention it
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2755[22:44:45] <rebrec> jelly i will definately reinstall this all over after fixing it (if that ever work) i don't want some system with a lot of packages in a weird state, but i would feel really happy to know that i have been able (in fact with a lot of external help) to get to an almost stable system again before 'decide' to reinstall all :D
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2757[22:45:22] <jelly> if it's possible ask the provider to restore the VM to state from yesterday, then do a normal debian 6 -> debian 7 release upgrade
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2759[22:46:26] <rebrec> jelly it's not possible... i said it's a vps to just say it's a server on the web... in fact it is a dedicated server so no snapshot... sorry to not give the right information at first
2760[22:46:40] <rebrec> and again, that wouldn't be a way to solve this "exercice"
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2763[22:46:58] <pistache> zumba_addict: either 2 machines, or a virtual machine
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2765[22:47:06] <jelly> it would be a different, more gentle exercise
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2767[22:47:45] <agio> how do we tell which version of python we have installed?
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2769[22:47:49] <pistache> I'm currently using KGDB with a single machine (my laptop), using qemu to run the debugged kernel
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2771[22:48:03] <jelly> rebrec, do you have complete output of these commands saved perhaps?
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2773[22:48:37] <agio> nvm, its python --version
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2775[22:49:04] <jelly> agio, but also python3 --version
2776[22:49:14] <pistache> agio: this will only tell you the Python 2 version
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2778[22:50:02] <agio> jelly: pistache copy that
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2781[22:51:47] <zumba_addict> k
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2783[22:52:10] <zumba_addict> pistache: what will I capture using that technique?
2784[22:54:21] <rebrec> jelly not at all :/
2785[22:55:27] <pistache> zumba_addict: which technique ? KGDB+qemu or crash ?
2786[22:55:34] <jelly> rebrec, does "apt-get update" work right now?
2787[22:55:43] <zumba_addict> kgdb?
2788[22:55:45] <zumba_addict> oops
2789[22:55:47] <zumba_addict> the kgdb
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2792[22:57:11] <rebrec> jelly : replaced-url
2793[22:57:17] <pistache> zumba_addict: using kgdb, you'd be able to set up breakpoints/watchpoints
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2796[22:57:42] <rebrec> jelly is there a way to tell apt to remove apache2 and all packages which depend on it whatever the dependancies states are in ?
2797[22:57:47] <zumba_addict> got it. What is the name of the crash package>
2798[22:57:51] <pistache> crash
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2800[22:58:16] <greycat> rebrec: at some point you bust out dpkg, and you start doing dpkg --purge --force-depends
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2802[22:58:34] <pistache> zumba_addict: I think you should start by usual debugging (Jenkins logs, dmesg, and stats retrieved from userland)
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2804[22:58:45] <zumba_addict> k
2805[22:58:57] <rebrec> thanks greycat
2806[22:58:59] <pistache> if a kernel task is hung, dmesg should print out a relevant stack trace
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2808[22:59:31] <pistache> if it doesn't, crash can be used to inspect the stack of any kernel thread
2809[22:59:33] <zumba_addict> i will check if the jenkins log I have will have something. I should have copied /var/log/messages as well
2810[22:59:41] <pistache> yes
2811[23:00:05] <jelly> rebrec, pastebin the output of: dpkg -l|grep -v '^.n '
2812[23:00:13] <zumba_addict> I also read from a jenkins article to run kill -3
2813[23:00:14] <jelly> rebrec, do you care about this "omd-1.20" thing?
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2815[23:00:30] <pistache> you will probably want to have a look at /proc/vmstat as well
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2819[23:01:02] <rebrec> jelly not at all ! i tried th is : replaced-url
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2822[23:01:44] <rblss-fsf> anyone here decent with mariadb?
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2824[23:02:14] <rblss-fsf> I'm struggling trying to create a user (maybe just go root) to be able to create databases from the python connector
2825[23:02:19] <King_DuckZ> hi I'm trying to mount a f2fs filesystem from the debian cd in rescue mode but I get a no such device error, does the boot cd not know about f2fs maybe?
2826[23:02:22] <pistache> zumba_addict: if your workload is write-intensive (Jenkins may very well be, but I'm not sure), you may have a writeback related problem
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2828[23:02:45] <zumba_addict> yes, our jenkins is extremely busy
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2830[23:03:02] <zumba_addict> so the NFS could be the issue?
2831[23:03:05] <King_DuckZ> is there some modprobe command? I tried modprobe f2fs but it didn't work
2832[23:03:10] <pistache> you may want to adjust parameters in /proc/sys/vm
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2834[23:03:24] <pistache> zumba_addict: I'd suspect it yes, as your top screenshot shows 75% iowait
2835[23:03:29] <zumba_addict> who is /proc/sys/vm for?
2836[23:03:42] <zumba_addict> let me look at my screenshot again
2837[23:04:09] <zumba_addict> where is iowait 75%?
2838[23:04:21] <zumba_addict> is it the 74.6?
2839[23:04:23] <pistache> 75 wa
2840[23:04:30] <pistache> in the %Cpu(s) line
2841[23:04:40] <zumba_addict> got it
2842[23:04:49] <zumba_addict> and wa is cpu waiting?
2843[23:04:56] <jelly> rebrec, you'll probably want to short-circuit that /etc/init.d/omd-1.20 script to make the package uninstall move past that point. Edit it and insert this as second line of the script: exit 0
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2847[23:06:02] <pistache> zumba_addict: iowait is time where the CPU is doing "nothing", as it is waiting on I/O requests
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2849[23:06:23] <zumba_addict> gotcha. So there is a hung process which I need to find out
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2851[23:06:49] <jelly> King_DuckZ, debian installer or debian live cd? installer has most optional modules stashed away in separate "udeb" packages that need to be "installed" within the installer to make them available
2852[23:06:53] <rebrec> jelly : thanks ! now it seems i can upgrade
2853[23:07:02] <jelly> rebrec, don't upgrade things.
2854[23:07:05] <rebrec> (for now)
2855[23:07:14] <rebrec> ooops
2856[23:07:24] <rebrec> umm no i mean for now i update
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2858[23:07:27] <rebrec> then upgrade, right ?
2859[23:07:33] <King_DuckZ> jelly: eh? you mean I can do apt-get from there? o.o
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2863[23:08:08] <pistache> zumba_addict: however, note that kworker is also using 25% of "sys" time, which is time spent executing code in the kernel
2864[23:08:09] <jelly> rebrec, first verify "apt-get update" works at all. If it works, comment out jessie lines from /etc/apt/sources.list, and add back wheezy lines. Do not skip releases.
2865[23:08:43] <jelly> !wheezy sources.list
2866[23:08:43] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2868[23:08:51] <King_DuckZ> jelly: apt-get not found, it says
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2870[23:09:35] <jelly> King_DuckZ, I don't remember what the command is. dpkg?
2871[23:09:47] <rebrec> jelly i am currently using wheezy source.list. since your "hack" on the omd package init script, i managed to remove it and to do full apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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2873[23:10:02] <King_DuckZ> nope, there's a apt-install but I don't know how to use it
2874[23:10:03] <jelly> King_DuckZ, if you need to do rescue-y things, there are better options than booting a d-i
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2878[23:10:31] <pistache> zumba_addict: also you want to be sure to inspect that the underlying network is behaving as expected
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2881[23:10:42] <King_DuckZ> jelly: not really rescuing, I'm installing gentoo and debian seems to be the only distro that boots on this hardware, so I'm installing from there
2882[23:10:49] <jelly> rebrec, are you at least saving the output this time
2883[23:10:51] <rebrec> jelly i have 73 packages not upgraded. should i upgrade them before switching to jessie ?
2884[23:11:16] <rebrec> jelly my term doesn't have enough buffer. what can i use ? script maybe ?
2885[23:11:16] <pistache> I don't know how that does for AWS (make sure that you're not hitting some throttling thing)
2886[23:11:26] <jelly> rebrec, yes, script is fine
2887[23:11:40] <bites> King_DuckZ: try a live image. using the installer is restrictive, as you have already noticed.
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2892[23:13:46] <King_DuckZ> bites: like this? replaced-url
2893[23:14:04] <rebrec> jelly replaced-url
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2895[23:14:10] <jelly> rebrec, if an "apt-get upgrade" completes successfully without errors by some miraculous happenstance, do an "apt-get install linux-image-amd64" after that
2896[23:14:11] <hyperlumic> King_DuckZ: No. replaced-url
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2898[23:15:10] <jelly> rebrec, okay. pastebin "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy mount libblkid1 libuuid1"
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2900[23:15:49] <bites> King_DuckZ: do you need a new kernel? is that why you go for the testing images? if so, there are live testing images here: replaced-url
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2902[23:16:29] <jelly> (basically I'm asking you to)
2903[23:16:36] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
2904[23:16:36] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2905[23:16:43] <King_DuckZ> bites: whatever boots on my hardware, I think 4.15 is the minimum required but then the rescue cd boots with 4.9 so maybe debian backported the patches from 4.15
2906[23:16:51] <rebrec> jelly replaced-url
2907[23:17:39] <jelly> ah. Now you want to do some dowgrading I guess.
2908[23:17:43] <zumba_addict> just got back
2909[23:18:03] <zumba_addict> pistache: i'll check the network too
2910[23:18:07] <bites> King_DuckZ: oh, then i would try the stable live images first. they are more likely to work. replaced-url
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2913[23:18:34] <King_DuckZ> bites: ok
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2916[23:18:58] <jelly> rebrec, you are missing the main repo deb line.
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2919[23:19:44] <jelly> rebrec, deb replaced-url
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2921[23:20:18] <jelly> rebrec, do just an "apt-get update" after that, followed by "apt-get -s upgrade"
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2925[23:21:53] <rebrec> jelly : i do it now thanks, may i ask how you have guessed i was missing the wheezy main repo and had only wheezy-updates please ?
2926[23:22:32] <rebrec> the simulation doesn't complain. should i upgrade now ?
2927[23:22:41] <jelly> rebrec, that's in "apt-cache policy" output
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2930[23:23:25] <jelly> rebrec, okay. now you should go back and read wheezy release notes :-D
2931[23:23:32] <rebrec> haha
2932[23:23:46] <rebrec> do you think i will read them ?
2933[23:23:49] <jelly> dpkg, squeeze->wheezy
2934[23:23:49] <dpkg> Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>.
2935[23:23:50] <rebrec> :)
2936[23:24:00] <jelly> I'm not kidding.
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2938[23:24:04] <rebrec> ha :(
2939[23:24:15] <jelly> !wheezy release notes
2940[23:24:15] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 7 "Wheezy" are at replaced-url
2941[23:25:15] <rebrec> (that sucks to read releases notes for a version that i won't keep)
2942[23:25:40] <jelly> You'll want to read jessie release notes before going 7 -> 8, too
2943[23:26:26] <jelly> and ideally you want to check and fix all the services you actually want to be running, after each release upgrade
2944[23:26:40] <rebrec> okay
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2946[23:27:20] <jelly> if you don't want to run any services, there's little point in doing a release upgrade or keeping the machine powered on
2947[23:27:36] <rebrec> appart from this, would you have a good recommendation of a sort of tutorial on how apt / dpkg policy and so on works (appart from debian's official documentation i guess)?
2948[23:28:16] <jelly> maybe
2949[23:28:17] <jelly> !debian handbook
2950[23:28:17] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
2951[23:28:32] <rebrec> thank you
2952[23:28:36] <rebrec> dpkg is amazing (the bot)
2953[23:28:36] <dpkg> rebrec: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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2956[23:30:03] <jelly> the current kernel will be good enough for wheezy, but once you get the whole machine to wheezy you'll want to install and boot into wheezy distro kernel which is a bit newer.
2957[23:31:24] <jelly> and doing wheezy->jessie will try to install systemd which you might not want to bother with for a temporary system
2958[23:31:30] <jelly> !jessie sysvinit
2959[23:31:31] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
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2961[23:31:55] <jelly> see show "advice" is "in the release notes"
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2963[23:32:06] <jelly> s/show/how/
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2966[23:33:06] <rebrec> ok thanks
2967[23:33:19] <jelly> there's useful info in there, like "your apache will break going from 2.2 to 2.4 (from wheezy to jessie), if you want your web to work you'll have to take care of that"
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2971[23:35:00] <jelly> (of course you could also do apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade blindly and hope the system comes back aftter a reboot, it might, it might not)
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2974[23:35:59] <jelly> and if you don't have access to console at that point things might get interesting
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2976[23:36:11] <joepublic> I think dist-upgrade covers everything that upgrade would.
2977[23:36:31] <jelly> it does not do it in the same order
2978[23:36:53] <joepublic> point taken.
2979[23:37:24] <jelly> release notes document the optimal way to do things
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2981[23:38:04] <stripe> hi, problems installing stretch on a machine with rx580 amd graphics. installs no problem but freezes on reboot so i cannot install the amd firmware, cant even drop to a tty any ideas? thanks
2982[23:38:38] <rebrec> ok jelly i take notes of that, thanks again for your patience and your help (and thanks to nkuttler and greycat too!)
2983[23:39:17] <jelly> some release notes say to do an "upgrade" first. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes they say to upgrade some packages like a kernel manually and reboot before continuing. Sometimes they say to use "apt-get", sometimes "aptitude".
2984[23:39:54] <rebrec> why switch from apt-get to aptitude ? isn't aptitude the "future" of apt ?
2985[23:40:19] <jelly> sometimes one works better than the other in specific situations
2986[23:40:56] <jelly> (aptitude and apt have slightly different dependency resolving algorithms)
2987[23:40:57] <joepublic> sometimes apt and apt-get say a dependency is not satisfiable when it looks like it should be, and aptitude will have a different opinion.
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2990[23:42:08] <rebrec> isn't this a consistency problem ? i mean isn't aptitude supposed to be a replacement of apt ?
2991[23:42:19] <jelly> it's not
2992[23:42:24] <rebrec> ha
2993[23:42:31] <rebrec> nevermind
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2996[23:42:57] <joepublic> if you like, you can download aptitude and then not use anything else.
2997[23:43:26] <jelly> and if you use aptitude where release notes state to use apt-get and get into problems, we get to laugh
2998[23:43:49] <joepublic> but you can keep both pieces of the future.
2999[23:43:58] <rebrec> maybe i will come back here one day with such a problem ;) (hope you don't remember my nickname this day huh)
3000[23:44:26] <Starz0r> so is there anything I can do with this mounting issue
3001[23:44:36] <jelly> this channel has public, indexed logs ;-)
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3003[23:44:45] <Starz0r> I wish mount would give me more info running in verbose mode, but it doesn't
3004[23:44:48] <rebrec> my bad
3005[23:45:02] <rebrec> i will have to change my nick then lol
3006[23:45:26] <at0m> Starz0r: maybe explain what you're trying to mount and what error you're seeing
3007[23:45:52] <at0m> Starz0r: or, pastebin the mount command and the error following
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3009[23:46:10] <Starz0r> it's in the scrollback, the general gist is that debian refuses to mount this image file
3010[23:46:11] <bites> stripe: you can try booting a live system, chroot into your installation, install a newer kernel and the drivers that you need. probably not debian stable live if you have hardware compatibility issues.
3011[23:46:37] <Starz0r> at0m: replaced-url
3012[23:46:50] <jelly> Starz0r, if you have a partitioned image, you can use "kpartx" to present devices for each separate partition
3013[23:47:11] <jelly> this may be easier than figuring out offsets manually
3014[23:47:31] <at0m> Starz0r: found it near 2hrs in backlog
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3016[23:48:27] <Starz0r> jelly: I'll try kpartx
3017[23:48:30] <jelly> Starz0r, does "fdisk -l /path/to/2018-11-13-raspbian-stretch-lite.img" show some sort of valid partition table on it?
3018[23:48:38] <Starz0r> the hard part isn't figuring out offsets, I already know the math for it
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3020[23:48:52] <Starz0r> jelly: yes
3021[23:49:05] <zumba_addict> pistache: look what I found, looks awesome and looks like it will help me with troubleshooting - replaced-url
3022[23:49:06] <rebrec> wouldn't binwalk do the job ?
3023[23:49:13] <King_DuckZ> I'm in the live now, but it doesn't have lvm? how can I install it? apt-get lvm didn't work
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3025[23:50:06] <Starz0r> jelly: the results of using kpartx replaced-url
3026[23:50:06] <bites> try lvm2, it's much better than lvm :P
3027[23:50:08] <King_DuckZ> I tried lvm2 and it didn't work either
3028[23:50:16] <King_DuckZ> that ?
3029[23:50:18] <King_DuckZ> that ^
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3031[23:50:39] <bites> didn't work in what way? did you run apt update first?
3032[23:50:40] <King_DuckZ> ah maybe I need to apt-update first?
3033[23:51:03] <King_DuckZ> yes now it works :)
3034[23:51:06] <jelly> Starz0r, which debian release is this, if you're using some sort of custom kernel it needs device-mapper support
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3037[23:51:27] <bites> i feel obsolete.
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3040[23:51:57] <Starz0r> jelly: I'm using stretch, but this has never been a problem before
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3042[23:52:12] <jelly> Starz0r, what does "uname -a" say?
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3045[23:52:55] <pistache> zumba_addict: yep, it is good advice
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3047[23:53:02] <zumba_addict> yup
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3049[23:53:24] <stripe> bites, thanks, even the live stretch images will not boot. and tried a rescue shell from the network installer, but no dns resolution for sources/repos, will try chroot from a live cd, thanks :)
3050[23:53:30] <jelly> Starz0r, maybe this stretch is running inside a container or chroot with reduced privileges?
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3053[23:53:41] <Starz0r> jelly: i'm already root user
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3055[23:53:47] <Starz0r> there should be no reduced privileges
3056[23:53:55] <jelly> Starz0r, what does "uname -a" say
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3058[23:54:23] <Starz0r> Linux desktop-3 4.17.0-3-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.17.17-1 (2018-08-18) i686 GNU/Linux
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3060[23:54:48] <jelly> that's a very old buster kernel
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3063[23:55:47] <jelly> Starz0r, are you sure you're on stretch? What does "modprobe dm_mod" say?
3064[23:56:01] <Starz0r> jelly: I'm not actually on stretch apparently
3065[23:56:05] <jelly> sorry, "modinfo dm_mod"
3066[23:56:09] <Starz0r> neofetch reports this as buster
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3069[23:57:13] <Starz0r> I figured it out
3070[23:57:21] <Starz0r> ext4 drivers aren't responding on this system
3071[23:57:35] <Starz0r> so it can't mount it
3072[23:57:50] <jelly> it's possible you upgraded kernels at some point in the past and did not reboot afterwards
3073[23:58:03] <Starz0r> I don't upgrade on this machine
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3075[23:58:19] <Starz0r> It's a really old eMachine I installed debian on because I couldn't get alpine to install
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