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1[00:01:32] <Numero-6> Hi all, i have make a service with
systemd for test my connectivity network. At this moment i use
netcat for test an wan website like nc -z -w 5 8.8.8.8 53, and a
while loop. What is the better command for do that, and the most
generic, netcat, ping, /dev/tcp/ ?
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2[00:01:42] <Numero-6> wlan*
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3[00:02:27] <greycat> (they asked this in #bash and I told
them to use ping) (their actual rationale was "sometimes I do
not pay my bill and the cut off my Internet and I want to know when
this happens")
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4[00:03:07] <sney> install monitoring_plugins and use
check_tcp, and then try to consider why you aren't using
nagios/icinga/etc for monitoring when reinventing the wheel with
systemd is so much more work
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5[00:03:15] <sney> ,v monitoring-plugins
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6[00:03:16] <judd> Package: monitoring-plugins on amd64 --
jessie: 2.1.1-1; stretch: 2.2-3; stretch-backports: 2.2-6~bpo9+1;
bullseye: 2.2-6; buster: 2.2-6; sid: 2.2-6
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7[00:03:29] <Numero-6> greycat: yes i have lose the
discussion. that no just about the paid, that my ISP is lot of
instable
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10[00:04:06] <sney> look at all of those *options*
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11[00:04:18] <Numero-6> ok i do test ping -c 1 and other
settings, and i look for package you say
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12[00:04:45] <sney> monitoring plugins install to
/usr/lib/nagios/plugins so they will not be in your PATH, fyi.
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13[00:05:08] <Numero-6> ok sney i look read, understand and
test
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14[00:05:24] <greycat> what do you want the monitor to *do*
when it detects that the internet is dead?
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15[00:05:59] <Numero-6> greycat: i use ifupifdown, wifi, custom
dns, vpn and other
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16[00:06:23] <Numero-6> sometime i need to know at what time i
can't access to network
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17[00:06:44] <Numero-6> for look the log with this time
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19[00:07:03] <Numero-6> so i begging to write a full servic for
testing all that
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20[00:07:04] <greycat> oh, you want *logging* and shit? well,
then you want a real solution, not some cobbled-together bash script
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22[00:08:11] <Numero-6> i have sometime feature with
wpa_supplicant and other i have make one log by service so that can
help for easy found what is the problem
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24[00:08:47] <Numero-6> but i think i go use ping, because i
need a generic tool for my backup and fresh install
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25[00:08:56] <greycat> you want to be able to ask your
logging-monitoring thing, "for the last 24 hours, show me when
the internet worked, and when it did not" -- that means you
need a *real* solution, not a cobbled-together piece of crap
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26[00:09:17] <sney> so if you had a local website that showed
you the service status, and maybe it sent you an email to notify you
of the change, that would be good? again: nagios.
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27[00:09:33] <Numero-6> greycat: yea that what you think, i
think other lol
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28[00:09:49] <greycat> if you keep moving the goalposts, guess
what I am going to do?
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30[00:10:35] <Numero-6> i can't explain the full project,
but i have make lot of project that interesting other
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32[00:11:14] <Numero-6> kiss you greycat :D i go testing ping
and filter the output and thank sney i go look what is theses tools
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38[00:19:03] <pasiz> Numero-6: could you explain what isp is so
unstable you need to constantly monitor it?
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39[00:19:09] <pasiz> i suggest to change isp
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40[00:19:54] <sney> sometimes people can't. or sometimes
national infrastructure is so bad that all of the isps suck
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41[00:20:02] <sney> monitoring is a good thing to know how to
do, anyway
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45[00:22:32] <pasiz> i think monitoring is invented, no need to
reinvent the wheel
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46[00:22:46] <sney> I agree which is why I said nagios
something like 4 times
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49[00:24:06] <Numero-6> pasiz: long story, and i have look lot
of thing
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50[00:24:09] <pasiz> prtg, snabbix etc
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53[00:24:32] <mutante> Numero-6: icinga
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54[00:24:33] <pasiz> mean zabbix
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55[00:24:34] <Numero-6> I have found one time a guy wh spawn me
with desauth request
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56[00:24:40] <Numero-6> and other and other xD
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57[00:25:04] <pasiz> then i suggest using wpa2 enterprise
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58[00:25:07] <Numero-6> So i make lot of script for monotoring
all that and no lose my time
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60[00:25:27] <Numero-6> i use a gtk notification for see that
in real time
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61[00:25:45] <pasiz> all of the solutions have monitoring and
notification services
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63[00:25:57] <Numero-6> yup
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64[00:26:33] <pasiz> and they will bend to more than you could
imagine
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66[00:27:27] <Numero-6> in the past i have make a 5 xterm
spawns, each monotoring a service
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67[00:27:50] <Numero-6> but i have lose the code, so i
don't want rewrite, and i test other
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75[00:35:28] <noosanon> guys, what about munin??
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76[00:35:35] <noosanon> it's great
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78[00:36:14] <noosanon> and it works right out of the box
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79[00:36:24] <noosanon> just install it and use it
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82[00:36:39] <noosanon> apt install munin-node and apt install
munin
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84[00:36:46] <noosanon> and it just works...
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93[00:42:31] <jhutchins> Is there a program that will check the
partition table(s)?
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95[00:43:40] <jhutchins> I keep getting "Invalid Partion
Table" on boot. It will continue a normal boot if I hit any
key.
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96[00:45:37] <rany> if this happened all of a sudden then most
likely your hard drive is failing
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97[00:45:52] <rany> you should make sure you backed up
everything asap
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100[00:47:27] <adfeno> Hi, I have one question, in
"Provides" of debian/control file, which type of package
is allowed? "Source" or "Package" ?
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105[00:50:51] <rany>
replaced-url
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107[00:51:59] <adfeno> Oh, as far as I understand, it
doesn't matter, all that matters is that the name matches
another one that needs to be provided.
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112[00:58:54] <MESSIAH> Hi
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114[00:59:15] <sney> hi
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115[00:59:38] <MESSIAH> I have problem with Apache 2
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118[00:59:52] <MESSIAH> I can't use .htaccess and .htpasswd
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119[01:00:24] <sney> what happens when you try?
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120[01:00:33] <MESSIAH> Nothing
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122[01:00:41] <MESSIAH> Like it's not eneble
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123[01:00:45] <rany> did you setup Override ?
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124[01:00:52] <MESSIAH> Probably not
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125[01:01:04] <MESSIAH> Where I should do that?
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127[01:01:44] <rany> in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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128[01:02:11] <rany> search for AllowOverride and set it to All
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130[01:03:14] <rany> (make sure you're in the right
<Directory ..> though)
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132[01:03:39] <MESSIAH> It's working
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134[01:03:49] <MESSIAH> Thank you all
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135[01:04:06] <MESSIAH> Done kaboom \O/
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138[01:04:35] <rany> great :)
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140[01:05:36] <noosanon> such a good OS
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141[01:05:45] <MESSIAH> I like it very much
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142[01:05:46] <noosanon> lol
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143[01:05:57] <MESSIAH> I'm with Debian about 8 years
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144[01:06:05] <noosanon> ohhh I absolutely love it
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145[01:06:08] <MESSIAH> I wish get Debian on my smartphone
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146[01:06:30] <noosanon> so stable...
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147[01:06:47] <noosanon> and no great reasource requirements
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149[01:08:24] <MESSIAH> It's Argon2 support .htpasswd ??
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150[01:08:55] <MESSIAH> I can't login using this but when I
change to Bcrypt it's working fine
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152[01:10:13] <sney> behold, a list:
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154[01:12:02] <MESSIAH> What other options are available??
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155[01:12:17] <MESSIAH> Basic and oher is??
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156[01:12:41] <tomreyn> scroll down
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157[01:14:48] <MESSIAH> Digest
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159[01:14:53] <MESSIAH> OK thank you
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160[01:15:21] <MESSIAH> I need setup e-mail server for my web
server
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161[01:15:34] <MESSIAH> Do someone know any good tutorial?
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162[01:16:44] <sney> this will get you going, for the most part:
replaced-url
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163[01:16:55] <sney> hosting your own email can be tiresome,
though. you may want to use a hosted service instead.
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164[01:17:02] <p4xz> MESSIAH: mailcow if you want something
simple that works out of the box
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166[01:17:30] <mutante> sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim -> select
'satellite system' -> enter external mail server.
<the end>
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167[01:17:48] <mutante> eh, sorry, replace exim with postfix :)
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168[01:18:24] <MESSIAH> I have Postfix and Dovecot
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169[01:18:40] <sney> I've also heard good things about
iredmail as a self-hosted option that makes configuration easier.
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171[01:19:11] <sney> any good email server has postfix and
dovecot, but it's a lot more complicated to do properly than
hosting a website.
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172[01:19:16] <mutante> don't run postfix/mysql/spamd just
to have outgoing mail to the webmaster
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173[01:19:45] <MESSIAH> But I can't configure DNSSEC
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174[01:19:46] <p4xz> sney: what about opensmtpd
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175[01:20:00] <sney> there are many mtas but postfix is the best
one
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176[01:20:07] <p4xz> why
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177[01:20:11] <MESSIAH> sney yes it's half automated but
not supporting MYSQL
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178[01:20:30] <mutante> you only need mysql support if you have
many users with actual inboxes
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179[01:21:05] <mutante> are you planning to be the mail admin
for many other people? don't do it :p
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180[01:21:26] <sney> p4xz: I'm not going to die on this
hill, but it's powerful and sensible and the docs are clear. I
will always tell people to use what they're accustomed to,
unless they're starting from 0, in which case use postfix :P
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182[01:21:59] <tomreyn> those who want to "setup e-mail
server for my web server" should really create ab snto account
at some managed mail service and configure their web application to
use this mail account with smtp-auth, though.
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183[01:22:05] <p4xz> sney: I'm asking because I started
from 0 with opensmtpd following a tutorial ^^
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185[01:22:17] <MESSIAH> sney iRedMail not support MYSQL
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186[01:22:20] <tomreyn> snto -> SMTP
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189[01:22:29] <p4xz> it seems to be very simple and works well
for me
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190[01:23:03] <sney> MESSIAH: ok? why are you telling me
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192[01:23:18] <MESSIAH> You mentioned it before
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194[01:23:30] <MESSIAH> I was try to use it without succes
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196[01:24:32] <MESSIAH> Someone know how to setup DNSSEC?
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197[01:24:40] <sney> I've heard good things about it but
I've never tried it. glancing at their documentation page,
there are a few mentions of mysql, so maybe you forgot to enable
that backend or something.
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198[01:25:15] <MESSIAH> Nope I was get support from author and
He said he drop support for MYSQL
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199[01:25:26] <sney> ah, well. postgres is fine too.
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200[01:25:37] <mutante> it has a "web-admin panel".
that disqualifies it for me
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203[01:26:31] <MESSIAH> After version 0.9 he decide to left
MYSQL - probably money in his pocket is not satisfied
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204[01:26:46] <mutante> MESSIAH: so is it "mail for my
webserver" or is it "i want to be an email provider for
others?
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205[01:26:59] <MESSIAH> mutante : You can install postfix admin
web panel as well
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206[01:27:03] <MESSIAH> I have it
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208[01:27:19] <MESSIAH> Only for my VHosts
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209[01:27:25] <mutante> MESSIAH: ok, but can you _not_ install
it with iredmail?
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211[01:27:43] <MESSIAH> Yes
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212[01:27:55] <MESSIAH> I don't have iredmail
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213[01:28:12] <mutante> MESSIAH: then that is all completely
overkill to even worry about "mysql support"
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214[01:28:13] <MESSIAH> I have standalone Postfix + Dovecot
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215[01:28:51] <mutante> MESSIAH: do you have ANY existing email
address?
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218[01:29:14] <MESSIAH> Yes I have and I'm using it for
sending e-mails to my customers
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219[01:29:22] <mutante> just tell postfix to send your mail to
your existing mail server
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220[01:29:27] <MESSIAH> For my MYSQL is very important
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221[01:29:29] <mutante> then you are done
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223[01:29:54] <mutante> with dpkg-reconfigure you can do all
that in a wizard, not even editing config files
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224[01:30:01] <MESSIAH> What's gonna happened? Infinity
loop?
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225[01:30:18] <MESSIAH> Yes I was do that
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227[01:30:31] <mutante> no? the postfix MTA will do its job and
_transfer_ your mail
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228[01:30:35] <mutante> to where it should go
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229[01:30:51] <MESSIAH> I found good tutorial with lot of
information
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234[01:31:59] <mutante> MESSIAH: it's literally a single
command line.. but if you really want to follow tutorials just for
fun then that's another story. good luck
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237[01:33:31] <MESSIAH> mutante You need follow tutorial or your
e-mails will be rejected
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238[01:34:04] <sney> I'm assuming there's some part of
the puzzle that #debian isn't privy to.
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240[01:34:32] <sney> MESSIAH: have fun setting up an email
server, and be extra careful with dovecot's auth config
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241[01:34:35] <MESSIAH> If you just install Postfix + Dovecot
you need set it up because lot of receivers will missed your e-mails
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242[01:35:17] <p4xz> the rest is really just dns txt records nad
setting your server's hostname
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243[01:35:30] <p4xz> and making sure your ip isn't on a
blacklist for some reason
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244[01:35:42] <MESSIAH> I was lot of fun to set up emails for
VHosts
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246[01:35:54] <sney> email is a publicly networked system, and
90% of the time, there is some other mta that you can reach and use
as a smarthost so that you don't have to admin one yourself.
but there are always exceptions. and there's no downside to
knowing more about how email works, anyway
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247[01:36:39] <petn-randall> Handling email properly is a *lot*
more complex than running a web server, IMHO.
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248[01:37:14] <sney> it is way more complicated and there are
way more places where it can go horribly wrong
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249[01:37:55] <MESSIAH> petn-randall yes it's true. I see
sometimes strange action
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250[01:38:12] <sney> the note about dovecot auth was from
experience - there is an imap option that was a best practice once
upon a time, until it became a security hole that botnets could use
to send email from your users
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251[01:38:47] <MESSIAH> Why nobody make e-mail easier?
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252[01:38:51] <MESSIAH> Like a web chat
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254[01:39:15] <sney> many have tried, but smtp keeps outliving
them
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255[01:39:18] <MESSIAH> Should be simple settings and simple
installation
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256[01:39:54] <MESSIAH> I hope this will change fast
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258[01:40:17] <sney> you think that at first, but the actual
requirements for sending messages to anyone, anywhere on the
internet, quickly get more complicated than you'd think
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259[01:41:34] <MESSIAH> To much spammers around and before you
get e-mail server working you will spend lot of weeks to trying fix
simple errors
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260[01:42:04] <sney> and none of the big sexy startups will ever
succeed in replacing email because it's a necessary service.
any lasting replacement for smtp cannot be profitable. so here we
are, lol :)
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262[01:42:23] <mutante> MESSIAH: lol, this is why several people
have been telling you that it's not a good idea. now you say
this yourself
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264[01:43:47] <MESSIAH> Personally if you have business and
selling using your own shop you should keep e-mails with you no on
others e-mail providers
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265[01:44:18] <sney> there are definitely good security reasons
for doing it that way.
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266[01:44:22] <MESSIAH> Most of companies scan e-mails etc
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267[01:44:45] <sney> I'm not going to tell you not to host
an email server, just be aware, there be dragons
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269[01:44:52] <MESSIAH> So if you have similar shop to ebay then
you will be easier target for them
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270[01:45:15] <mutante> MESSIAH: you came in here saying
"it's just for the webserver" and now it is "run
your own ebay". that is completely different
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271[01:45:33] <mutante> but i see the point about wanting to
control your own mail. that's fair
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272[01:46:05] <mutante> you can use Protonmail instead of Google
though, f.e.
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273[01:46:36] <MESSIAH> I can bet google use some scripts to
scan e-mails of some merchant companies
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274[01:46:57] <annadane> he's not the messiah. he's a
very naughty boy.
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275[01:47:04] <sney> at some point you always have to trust that
x or y provider is being honest when they say that they aren't
looking at your stuff
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276[01:47:16] <MESSIAH> How you can make a business where you
are watched
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277[01:47:31] <graphicsv> Debian keeps warning me about newer
kernel available. How can I fix it?
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278[01:47:47] <mutante> MESSIAH: encrypt your mail with GPG
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279[01:47:49] <sney> graphicsv: consider yourself warned, and
ignore the message?
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280[01:48:35] <petn-randall> graphicsv: "warning" you?
Where does it say that? Maybe you running one of those update
notifiers, so you likely need to just install all updates.
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281[01:48:58] <annadane> and also what release are you on?
stable, testing?
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282[01:49:02] <MESSIAH> mutante yes you can do that on your
server but if you use google?
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283[01:49:07] <mutante> MESSIAH: at least you can use a mail
provider where the business model is not based on reading your mail,
basically. so that means paying for it
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285[01:49:15] <annadane> but what petn-randall said is closer to
the point, make sure you're fully updated
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286[01:49:24] <sney> graphicsv: debian has a very strict package
version policy, so for your custom kernel, you may need to change
the version string so that apt can tell it is "newer" than
the one in buster/buster-bpo.
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287[01:49:49] <graphicsv> petn-randall: ` Newer kernel
available. The currently running kernel version is 4.19.134-ryzen
which is not the expected kernel version 5.8.0-rc6-ryzen. Restarting
the system to load the new kernel will not be handled automatically,
so you should consider rebooting.`
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288[01:50:16] <graphicsv> Maybe I should just uninstall these
bleeding edge versions and stick to tweaked `4.19.134-ryzen`
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289[01:50:27] <sney> graphicsv: that sounds like you have the
5.8 kernel installed but not running. uninstall the package if you
don't want it
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291[01:50:55] <mutante> MESSIAH: if you worry about privacy i
would not use Google. But if you want Google and still encrypt you
can use
replaced-url
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292[01:51:13] <graphicsv> mutante: What's wrong with
Google?
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293[01:51:22] <sney> prism, mainly
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297[01:52:07] <noosanon> lololol. everything graphicsv...
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298[01:52:16] <MESSIAH> graphicsv If you are just normal user
than don't worry about Google of course if you not sending
illegal pictures
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299[01:52:17] <noosanon> google is evil
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300[01:52:19] <noosanon> lol
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301[01:52:22] <sney> !offtopic
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302[01:52:22] <mutante> graphicsv: MESSIAH said he does not want
his mail provider to be able to read his mail but Google is a free
service so basically the business model is to read all the mail
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303[01:52:22] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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304[01:52:31] <graphicsv> I use Google and Google Photos and
Google Drive, Docs, Mail so on
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305[01:52:58] <sney> I also use a lot of google services, but
it's informed usage I guess
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306[01:53:06] <graphicsv> What'd be the alternative? I love
Google Mail :'(
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307[01:53:10] <MESSIAH> graphicsv But if you are rising business
trader than you will be on aim
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308[01:53:27] <mutante> Google will not add "Easy GPG"
because then they can't read it. Hence "FlowCrypt" is
done by a third party. FlowCrypt works great though.
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310[01:53:38] <MESSIAH> Did someone heard about last ebay
action?
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311[01:53:44] <mutante> graphicsv: protonmail for example
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312[01:54:00] <sney> MESSIAH: that goes for you too, try to keep
this conversation debian-usage related
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315[01:54:51] <graphicsv> sney is right. But I'd like to
keep this conversation elsewhere. #debian-offtopic ?
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317[01:55:29] <annadane> or fastmail, given some of
protonmail's general distrust
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319[01:55:57] <MESSIAH> graphicsv I'm in
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339[02:05:28] <petn-randall> graphicsv: None of these kernels
seems to be from Debian. What OS are you running?
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341[02:06:05] <sney> petn-randall: graphicsv has been here for a
while tweaking the debian kernel to support their too-new hardware.
it's a custom build from debian's source using the debian
config as a base
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343[02:06:07] <graphicsv> petn-randall: I'm running Debian.
I needed to build kernel with custom flags for my Ryzen 5 3600X
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345[02:06:19] <graphicsv> sney: That's correct. Thanks
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347[02:07:06] <petn-randall> Ah, ok. Then I don't
understand why you get this message. Did you hand-build
5.8.0-rc6-ryzen yourself? And maybe you're using
"needrestart"?
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349[02:10:23] <graphicsv> petn-randall: Yes, I did. For now I
just uninstalled the unused versions and the warning is gone.
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350[02:10:57] <graphicsv> petn-randall: I'm mainly using
`4.19.134` so I don't actually need the recent ones. It's
incredible the speed that my computer build the Linux kernel.
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351[02:11:15] <petn-randall> If you happen to have a newer
kernel installed regularly, and you don't want to get notified
about it, you can change the config of needrestart to skip that
check.
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352[02:12:53] <graphicsv> petn-randall: Interesting. Is it an
APT option?
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359[02:19:39] <Enissay> I'd like to append a new line to a
variable, this doesnt seem to work: RESULT=$(printf
"${RESULT}\n") Is there any better cleaner way ?
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361[02:25:20] <graphicsv> Enissay: Shel script? Shouldn't
RESULT="${RESULT}\n" work?
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380[02:38:01] <Enissay> graphicsv: Im using this to concatenate
a string in a loop. It simply shows \n & \t in plain text :-/
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How can i recover it.Now i have booted to a livecd image.
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2578[04:23:29] <gerforce> Or how can i reinstall the whole glibc
to recover the system?
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the system?
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2586[04:24:06] <CrystalMath> if not, maybe copy the live's
libc into it, then chroot, then reinstall libc6
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2590[04:24:21] <sney> if all you deleted was that one file, you
can go to
replaced-url
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2600[04:25:32] <sney> and yes if the live env uses the same
version of libc, that .so will work too
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2601[04:25:36] <CrystalMath> sney: and verify that it hasn't
been messed with
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2611[04:26:44] <sney> I mean, downloading a deb over https from a
debian mirror linked to from a debian.org page is verification
enough *for me*, but checksums are present on those mirrors as well
if you want to make sure.
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2616[04:28:24] <sney> (I've been warned against suggesting
"just download the deb" in the past and I get it, but one
has limited options for a system with no libc.)
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2617[04:28:44] <gerforce> so i need to find the right version of
libc, and put it to the right place. Then problem solved?
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2618[04:28:55] <sney> assuming that's all you deleted, yes
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2621[04:30:21] <gerforce> what if I want to reinstall the glibc?
what should i do?
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2623[04:31:23] <sney> I guess they made their decision.
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2629[04:32:42] <graphicsv> Hi
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2631[04:33:28] <dvs> sney, nope
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2632[04:33:36] <graphicsv> Since now I've disabled most of
my power management settings. I wonder if this will be a problem in
my power bill?
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2634[04:33:49] <gerforce> Do i miss anything? I have wrongly
leaved the channel.
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2636[04:36:14] <sney> dvs: what are you noping exactly
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2637[04:36:33] <dvs> The decision wasn't made
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2638[04:36:40] <sney> ah.
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2641[04:37:48] <sney> gerforce: if you want to reinstall the
glibc, securely download and verify the libc6 package and unpack the
whole thing. the paths are straightforward and there's nothing
special about the permissions.
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2643[04:39:03] <sney> .deb packages are extracted with 'ar x
filename.deb' and then the contents are in the data tarball.
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2648[04:41:27] <gerforce> sney:so i boot to the livecd, then
mount my root patition to a directory. Chroot to that directory,
download the libc6 package, the install it
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2650[04:42:05] <sney> chroot is optional and may not work, but
yes basically
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2652[04:42:29] <sney> (if chroot works, and dpkg -i works
afterwards, then you can dpkg -i the package rather than copying the
files manually.)
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2655[04:45:23] <gerforce> sney: I got it. The goal was to put all
files of libc package to the right place in the system. But we do it
mannually instead of using package manager.
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2656[04:45:31] <sney> yes exactly
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2658[04:45:57] <gerforce> all right, thanks sney
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2659[04:46:02] <sney> np
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2765[08:29:13] <croepha2> So, lets say I want the binaries of a
package, but I don't want them configured (ie, like I
don't want setup scripts to run, or setup the service to run
automatically)... Is there a way to apt install a package and have
it skip configuration for a package?
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2812[09:59:46] <atlizz_> hey folks
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2814[10:00:26] <atlizz_> a question... I just woke up and watch
logs from my server, and i see connections to ssh accepted
publickey, all night long, every 4 minutes exactly
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2816[10:00:57] <atlizz_> why is that? my ssh sessions should
terminate after that time... but i dont understand why is accepting
my publicKey if im sleeping
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2817[10:01:06] <atlizz_> oooh
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2818[10:01:08] <atlizz_> i know now
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2819[10:01:12] <atlizz_> Valentina studio
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2821[10:01:17] <atlizz_> i let that software open
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2823[10:01:29] <atlizz_> for database , tunneled by ssh
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2824[10:01:32] <atlizz_> is that, for sure
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2842[10:26:16] <drprune> So, I'm using testing, and lately
apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove 708 packages. Any tips on
finding the original cause of this? I suspect it is librar[y|ies]
removal - but which?
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2843[10:27:48] <drprune> and is this situation likely to improve
if I way (T=?)
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2844[10:27:54] <drprune> wait (T=?)
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2845[10:28:21] <quadrathoch2> !testing
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2846[10:28:21] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<bullseye>. See
replaced-url
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2847[10:28:24] <quadrathoch2> drprune ^
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2848[10:28:54] <drprune> Yah I know. In general it has not been
that bumpy...
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2849[10:29:10] <nkuttler> !debian-next
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2850[10:29:10] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
replaced-url
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2852[10:29:48] <drprune> OK I'll take it over there...
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2868[10:59:23] <Regor> hi i have huwai usb mobile wireless modem
it is listed in lsusb output "" Bus 002 Device 005: ID
12d1:1446 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. HSPA modem". but
network manager doesnt detect it ..how to fix it?
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2877[11:06:07] <Regor> i downloaded complete tarball
nonfree-firmware
replaced-url
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2879[11:08:11] <ratrace> Regor: or just apt install it?
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2882[11:08:35] <ratrace> Regor: if there's firmware missing,
it'd be logged in dmesg, so dmesg | grep -i firmware
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2884[11:08:53] <Regor> ok i check
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2886[11:11:00] <Regor> i get this " 0.399221] pci
0000:02:00.0: [Firmware Bug]: disabling VPD access (can't
determine size of non-standard VPD format)"
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2887[11:11:47] <Regor> i actually tried few firmware related with
usb wireless .. but ididnt work so i uninstalled them..
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2888[11:12:36] <ratrace> installing firmware doesn't make
sense if the kernel is not asking for it
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2889[11:13:08] <ratrace> as for that output you have, it may or
may not be related, it's same pci bus but the error message
isn't referring to device 005
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2890[11:13:20] <Regor> ys.. actually i did it first.. but after
lsusb..its listed so i didnt do anything after that..
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2891[11:14:21] <Regor> output might be related with the firmware
i installed and removed..
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2892[11:14:31] <ratrace> modems and bluetooth devices are
notorious like that, no firmware missing and yet they don't
work
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2893[11:14:39] <Regor> ohh
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2894[11:15:08] <Regor> system detects well thats its huawei modem
usb...
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2895[11:15:58] <ratrace> !pciid 12d1:1446
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2897[11:16:12] <ratrace> judd: pciid 12d1:1446
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2898[11:16:44] <ratrace> huh
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2899[11:16:56] <diogenes_> maybe dot or comma?
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2900[11:17:11] <ratrace> ,pciid 12d1:1446
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2901[11:17:56] <ratrace> it responded in privmsg..... meh...
"[12d1:1446] is 'Unknown device' from
'PSITech' with no known kernel module in stretch or in
sid. See also
replaced-url
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2902[11:17:58] <Regor> can i choose a different connection type
besides "mobile broadband" so it may work ?
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2903[11:18:56] <ratrace> yeah well judd ain't here, duh
lolol
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2904[11:19:15] <Regor> this device worked in all
*buntus..though..
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2905[11:20:02] <ratrace> Regor: try and find out what ubuntu does
for it. ubuntu often adds "SAUCE" patches to the kernel
for hardware enablement, patches that are specific for ubuntu and
not upstreamed to the mainline kernel (thus not available to other
distros)
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2907[11:20:43] <Regor> yeah..ubuntu puts lots of non-free blobs..
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2908[11:22:04] <Regor> ok i check this device in friends ubuntu
machine..
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2909[11:22:55] <ratrace> Regor: lspci -vk should be useful in
detecting the module name, then you can track it down and see where
it comes from
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2910[11:23:11] <Regor> ok i do it
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2911[11:25:58] <diogenes_> Regor, have you trien contrib non-free
firmware?
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2912[11:26:12] <Regor> not yet
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2913[11:27:31] <ratrace> if firmware were missing, the kernel
would log the path to missing firmware file, and apt-file could be
used to track the package. hence the dmesg | grep -i firmware
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2914[11:27:36] <diogenes_> Regor, download a non-free live iso
and try it out off a USB drive.
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2915[11:27:43] <Regor> i have downloaded the tarball of non-free
firmwares .. device is though listed in "lsusb" after
plugging
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2918[11:29:37] <Regor>
replaced-url
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2919[11:30:01] <Regor> check this.if something ican do with it ..
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2920[11:30:45] <Regor> though i dont think firmware is missing ..
because it detects its type..
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2922[11:31:09] <Regor> honestly i dont know .. i just doing
enough attempts ..
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2923[11:32:44] <ratrace> hardware could be detected even without
firmware
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2924[11:33:12] <ratrace> Regor: you can download the ubuntu live
USB and boot it without installing, to check and trace the module
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2925[11:33:48] <ratrace> ... infact hardware MUST be detected
without firmware, as the kernel must know which module to load and
the module then requires firmware
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2926[11:33:55] <Regor> ys..i think my friend have live usb iso so
i can find out details about it ..
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2927[11:34:48] <diogenes_> Regor, few days ago there was an user
with some firmware troubles too, i suggested him for testing purpose
this:
replaced-url
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2928[11:35:10] <diogenes_> and it fixed his issue.
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2929[11:35:14] <Regor> ok ..i check that. too
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2930[11:36:20] <ratrace> I don't think the xanmod introduces
any hardware enablement. it only reconfigures and patches the
mainline kernel for a lowlatency use
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2931[11:37:01] <ratrace> anyhow installing, using and problems
caused by it are not supported in #debian
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2932[11:40:40] <Regor> ys
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2933[11:41:45] <Regor> exactly ..i want to fix it with official
debian way..
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3017[13:27:32] <cybrNaut> is there a functional difference
between doing a package upgrade, and a package removal followed by
an installation of a newer version?
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3019[13:28:06] <quadrathoch2> cybrNaut probably not
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3020[13:28:25] <quadrathoch2> except you purge (that would remove
any config files)
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3022[13:30:37] <cybrNaut> i thought config files normally stayed
around. guess i'll have to back them up
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3024[13:32:03] <quadrathoch2> cybrNaut when you apt remove,
config files stay, purge removes config files (package provided
ones, not the local ones)
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3026[13:32:35] <cybrNaut> ok, good
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3071[14:28:54] <LCRERGO> What is the repo in salsa that is used
for packing emacs?
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3075[14:34:08] <annadane> LCRERGO, i think this
replaced-url
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3077[14:34:34] <annadane> though the description says 25.2 where
emacs in buster is 26
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3080[14:36:23] <annadane> on the other hand this may be the main
group
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3081[14:36:36] <annadane> probably more on point than my earlier
reply
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3082[14:37:24] <annadane> i'm not being very helpful :/
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3084[14:38:40] <LCRERGO> no problem, I'm a little lost
because there are around 3 repos with the same name
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3093[14:47:07] <annadane> LCRERGO, maybe you can contact them
directly debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org
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3096[14:52:47] <annadane> LCRERGO, the first link i gave (replaced-url
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3098[14:53:48] <annadane> please remind me not to answer more
questions unless i know for sure what the answer is :|
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3101[14:56:27] <quadrathoch2> annadane just relax a little more
;) you don't need to answer every single question ;)
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3113[15:06:32] <epsilon> ehm, if I download
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3117[15:10:47] <quadrathoch2> epsilon
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3118[15:11:23] <epsilon> quadrathoch2: know, already verified
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3119[15:11:54] <quadrathoch2> so what was the question then?
epsilon
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3143[15:43:10] <graphicsv> When I run `dpkg-reconfigure
aufs-dkms` I get `Running module version sanity check. Error! Module
version 4.19.17+-20190211 for aufs.ko is not newer than what is
already found in kernel 4.19.134-ryzen (4.19.63+-20200622). You may
override by specifying --force.` -- My custom kernel version is
named as `4.19.134-ryzen` and my system kernel is named
`4.19.0-9-amd64`. Not sure what to do to mitigate this?
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3149[15:50:20] <ratrace> graphicsv: those aren't regular
debian kernels
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3150[15:50:50] <graphicsv> ratrace: Is it possible to make it
behave as if it were? I just want it to work properly as the default
one
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3151[15:51:05] <ratrace> we can't possibly know what kind of
changes you did there and how to fix them
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3152[15:51:23] <ratrace> !frankendebian
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3153[15:51:23] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
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3156[15:51:56] <graphicsv> It was basically a kernel I downloaded
from kernel.org + aufs and `CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU=y`
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3157[15:52:44] <graphicsv> Config inherited from
`/boot/config-4.19.0-9-amd64`
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3162[15:54:36] <ratrace> there's a way to run dkms manually
and force rebuilds, but I don't know it otoh
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3163[15:56:17] <ratrace> graphicsv: look at the dkms manpage,
build command
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3164[15:56:55] <frunks> you could build your own deb and make it
depend on your custom kernel
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3188[16:20:34] <badsektor> hey bros, why no pinta in repos
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3189[16:20:37] <badsektor> ?
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3192[16:22:16] <annadane> probably because debian is a volunteer
effort
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3193[16:22:19] <annadane> !nmg
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3194[16:22:19] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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3197[16:29:24] <badsektor> annadane, no it was in the repos until
recently, they took it out
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3199[16:31:13] <annadane>
replaced-url
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3211[16:50:58] <rany> You could use the one on flathub for now...
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