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• 14[00:05:51] <ychaouche> hello #debian
• 15[00:06:01] <KdeKris> Question about repositories. Is it possible to add a repo to sources.list and only update a select few packages from that repo, while all of the other packages ignore that repo?
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• 17[00:06:27] <ychaouche> when I connect via wifi, I don't want the take the dhcp DNS settings, I want to let my own settings. How do I do that ?
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• 19[00:06:51] <ychaouche> i.e only use dhcp for IP assignment but not for DNS.
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• 25[00:09:23] <sney> KdeKris: yes, with pinning you can put a specific repo at a low priority so you only get packages from there if you specify it with -t. note that this only works if the branch name is different, e.g. 'buster-custom' and not just 'buster'
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• 29[00:10:06] <sney> KdeKris: this is basically how buster-backports works. experimental, too
• 30[00:10:22] <KdeKris> sney, it's a raspberry pi that I've added replaced-url
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• 32[00:10:56] <sney> !frankendebian
• 33[00:10:56] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
• 34[00:10:57] <KdeKris> So, Id just have to pin that repo with a lower priority, then install/upgrade the specific packages I want from it with -t?
• 35[00:11:00] <freebench__> hi, I've got a situation where debian is used as a regular desktop system, when user's activity limited only to view certain web page. Having a user pasword causing certain dificulties. Is that possible to disable user password at all ?
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• 38[00:12:04] <sney> KdeKris: again, only if the branch name is different. if it's raspbian, the branch name is the same and you won't be able to control it that way as apt doesn't differentiate between different 'buster' mirrors. better to manually download the individual debs you want so you don't end up with a frankendebian.
• 39[00:12:07] <freebench__> Idealy when a machige starts there is no prompt to login, instead straight into DE
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• 41[00:12:12] <sney> and please ask all further raspbian questions in #raspbian.
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• 43[00:13:01] <sney> freebench__: lightdm can do this. replaced-url
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• 45[00:13:21] <jmcnaught> freebench__: if you are using GNOME then you can go to setting, click on details, click on users. There is an unlock button in the top right. After unlocking there should be an automatic login toggle switch for a user.
• 46[00:13:59] <freebench__> jmcnaught, it's LXDE
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• 49[00:16:37] <freebench__> jmcnaught, is that available in cinnamon ?
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• 52[00:17:10] <sney> freebench__: if you have lxde, then you are already using lightdm, see the wiki link above
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• 54[00:17:36] <freebench__> sney, omg, thx
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• 72[00:30:48] <KdeKris> Can a github repo be added to sources.list?
• 73[00:31:35] <sney> only apt mirrors can be added to sources.list
• 74[00:31:50] <sney> is your real question, "how do I install this software I found on github?"
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• 79[00:32:17] <KdeKris> No, I know how to install from github. Problem is, it doesn't update with 'sudo apt upgrade'
• 80[00:32:42] <KdeKris> I'm looking for a more streamlined way to upgrade packages installed from github.
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• 83[00:33:22] <sney> someone would need to make a debian package for each new release. sometimes you can convince the upstream developer to do it
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• 85[00:34:03] <sney> but, a lot of debian package maintainers are volunteers who use a specific piece of software and want to keep it available and updated in debian's apt repository.
• 86[00:34:30] <sney> !nmg
• 87[00:34:30] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
• 88[00:34:43] <sney> for local-only packages, there is also checkinstall.
• 89[00:34:49] <somiaj> or stow
• 90[00:34:59] <sney> somiaj: that wouldn't upgrade through apt
• 91[00:35:17] <somiaj> things installed check-install upgrade through apt?
• 92[00:35:58] <sney> well, you'd need a local mirror as well
• 93[00:36:26] <tomreyn> maybe KdeKris is looking for is a linux distribution with a rolling release model where only few configurations are needed to install (and build, if needed) upstream software as distribution packages. at the loss of stability.
• 94[00:37:04] <somiaj> ahh didn't realize checkinstall make packages, if you were going that route, wonder if just using debian-helper would be useful.
• 95[00:37:04] <sney> are we about to get the siduction sales pitch
• 96[00:37:21] <tomreyn> not from here, sorry ;)
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• 98[00:37:58] <KdeKris> Not quite. I'm looking to install a specific package from debian main repo on a debian derivitave that doesn't use the main repo.
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• 100[00:38:30] <somiaj> KdeKris: you should ask your actual question in the future, that is different than 'how do I install from github'
• 101[00:38:37] <tomreyn> this doesn't sound like what you asked initally
• 102[00:38:45] <sney> you could also bug plugwash to port the package to raspbian, he's pretty responsive IIRC
• 103[00:39:30] <somiaj> KdeKris: in general we do not support derivatives, and you should ask the distro of choice what to do, but often if your derivative meets the build-depends, a deb-src line and building your own package can be done fairly automated.
• 104[00:40:16] <KdeKris> I'm working with the people over at #raspbian as well, but they aren't as responsive as you guys.
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• 106[00:40:57] <KdeKris> I also apologize for asking the question in a strange way. It's like I know what information I'm looking for, but not how to ask for it properly.
• 107[00:41:07] <somiaj> part of the distro of choice is your support community, but you are both cross-posting and asking about a derivative here, which are both considered bad etiquette
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• 109[00:42:01] <sney> KdeKris: also, if your rpi model is one of the supported ones listed on replaced-url
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• 111[00:42:27] <KdeKris> my mistake somiaj. I'll do better in the future.
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• 114[00:43:13] <somiaj> (I still think installing debian on a pi is much harder than raspbian though, the whole boot loader part I think isn't as automated)
• 115[00:43:28] <KdeKris> sney, I have a Pi4, which is listed as supported. I think I may just make the jump
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• 118[00:44:24] <KdeKris> Actually, nvm, I just read further that there is no support for it in the debian kernels...yet
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• 140[01:00:33] <bagira> hey folks. new to debian (not new to linux). o/
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• 144[01:02:03] <annadane> hi bagira :)
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• 146[01:02:53] <bagira> annadane: thanks. im evaluating debian to use as a build system in a cross-compiled system build from source
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• 149[01:03:51] <bagira> host system will be docker, presumably debian in a container where the crosstool chain is generated and then used toi populate a chroot in that container to get a system propped up
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• 172[01:22:25] <bswinnerton> Has anyone ever successfully gotten networking working with cloud-init and the debian cloud-generic image? Having a heck of a time and running into a similar bug as described in replaced-url
• 173[01:22:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 174[01:23:20] <bswinnerton> It seems the default configuration in /etc/network/interfaces has a directive called "source-directory" that just doesn't work. If I change it to "source" and restart the networking systemctl service, it works
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• 183[01:30:44] <bagira> hrm. /sbin/init not found on debian:latest on the public docker registry
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• 190[01:37:09] <zu22> Has anyone written a guide/howot on hardening/securing Debian?
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• 195[01:39:29] <nkuttler> !securing debian
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• 197[01:39:29] <dpkg> The Securing Debian Manual describes the security of the Debian GNU/Linux operating system and within the Debian project. replaced-url
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• 204[01:43:17] <gimmel> Heads up, the first link under section 1.2 of that hardening link is broken.
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• 219[01:52:59] <Aurora_v_kosmose> What provides ipconfig?
• 220[01:53:15] <Aurora_v_kosmose> dropbear-initramfs seems to require it.
• 221[01:54:45] <nkuttler> ipconfig?
• 222[01:55:13] <nkuttler> which debian release are you running?
• 223[01:55:19] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I'm not sure how to get the log messages that appear in TTY. Buster.
• 224[01:55:36] <Aurora_v_kosmose> "IP-Config: no restponse after 2 secs - giving up"
• 225[01:55:40] <Aurora_v_kosmose> *response
• 226[01:56:03] <Aurora_v_kosmose> But I have no idea how to see those messages because they are not in either syslog journal nor dmesg
• 227[01:56:12] <nkuttler> which command do you run that produces that output?
• 228[01:56:21] <nkuttler> and where are they logged?
• 229[01:56:24] <Aurora_v_kosmose> /scripts/init-premount/dropbear line 261 ipconfig not found
• 230[01:56:32] <Aurora_v_kosmose> And nowhere, apparently.
• 231[01:57:46] <nkuttler> in the docs dir? only has 56 lines here..
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• 233[01:58:37] <Aurora_v_kosmose> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/dropbear
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• 235[01:59:07] <nkuttler> yup, 56 lines too
• 236[01:59:17] <nkuttler> sounds like you have some non-standard script there
• 237[01:59:19] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I have no idea how to debug it, because there's no logs.
• 238[01:59:27] <Aurora_v_kosmose> And I installed it from apt repository
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• 240[02:00:11] <Aurora_v_kosmose> How does one get logs from initramfs-time?
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• 245[02:01:35] <Aurora_v_kosmose> nkuttler: I think the 261 might be a initramfs concatenation of hook scripts
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• 250[02:05:39] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Recording my screen to play it back slowed down..
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• 252[02:07:24] <nkuttler> Aurora_v_kosmose: your script was modified
• 253[02:07:28] <Aurora_v_kosmose> IP-Config: enp1s0 hardware address $whatever mut 1500 DHCP RARP
• 254[02:07:31] <nkuttler> Aurora_v_kosmose: is this an older debian install?
• 255[02:07:39] <nkuttler> Aurora_v_kosmose: i mean, one you upgraded to buster?
• 256[02:07:45] <Aurora_v_kosmose> nkuttler: No, it's a VM I just instantiated from Debian Buster 10 minutes ago
• 257[02:08:27] <Aurora_v_kosmose> And now what this tells me is that for some reason the kernel argument IP=$stuff doesn't work anymore
• 258[02:08:27] <nkuttler> Aurora_v_kosmose: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/dropbear has 56 lines, and that's how it is packaged
• 259[02:08:45] <Aurora_v_kosmose> nkuttler: Yes, does it get concatenated with other scripts in initramfs when it's built?
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• 261[02:09:04] <nkuttler> oh, so you're not actually talking about that file..
• 262[02:09:13] <nkuttler> no idea, dropbear just works me
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• 268[02:15:21] <zu22> thanks!
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• 270[02:16:04] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Hm, does '.' or source perhaps cause it...
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• 273[02:16:53] <EdePopede> wasn't there a bot command to find out why a packages was dropped?
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• 275[02:18:52] <annadane> yes, !why isn't foo in stable
• 276[02:18:58] <annadane> or buster, i guess
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• 278[02:19:06] <annadane> it just links to the tracker afair
• 279[02:19:16] <annadane> !why isn't virtualbox in buster
• 280[02:19:24] <annadane> !why isn't virtualbox in stable
• 281[02:19:29] <annadane> oh, not a factoid
• 282[02:19:35] <annadane> judd, why isn't virtualbox in buster
• 283[02:19:36] <judd> No package named 'isn't' was found in buster/amd64.
• 284[02:19:41] <annadane> forget it then. :P
• 285[02:19:45] <nkuttler> ,why is virtualbox not in stable
• 286[02:19:46] <judd> No package named 'is' was found in buster/amd64.
• 287[02:19:51] <nkuttler> wat
• 288[02:20:06] <sney> that goes to the testing excuses page and is generally only for packages that are in sid but don't qualify for testing
• 289[02:20:13] <nkuttler> yup
• 290[02:20:19] <sney> !why is virtualbox not in testing
• 291[02:20:19] <dpkg> virtualbox is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
• 292[02:20:21] <sney> etc
• 293[02:20:39] <annadane> !why isn't sney DPL
• 294[02:20:50] <sney> I don't think there is one for packages that were fully rm'd from debian, but that would be a good thing to have
• 295[02:21:00] <sney> annadane: :P probably because I'm very bad at programming
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• 297[02:22:37] <EdePopede> ah thanks, found already replaced-url
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• 301[02:28:10] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I think I found the problem. It's in the sourced script /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions
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• 303[02:28:40] <annadane> sometimes for notable packages there's also a bit about why it's not in debian (especially stable because people would ask about it more) in dpkg factoids
• 304[02:28:43] <annadane> !mongodb
• 305[02:28:43] <dpkg> mongodb was removed after stretch; see replaced-url
• 306[02:28:44] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Which uses something that's been gone since Debian switched over to 'ip' command suite.
• 307[02:29:06] <Aurora_v_kosmose> nkuttler: You've managed to get dropbear-initramfs working on your machine?
• 308[02:30:41] <nkuttler> Aurora_v_kosmose: yes
• 309[02:30:41] <Aurora_v_kosmose> configure_networking() in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions uses ipconfig everywhere.
• 310[02:31:35] <Aurora_v_kosmose> So, it's a function enabled by using the IP=$info argument for Linux kernel.
• 311[02:32:06] <Aurora_v_kosmose> nkuttler: Do you have DHCP enabled in your network and no use of IP boot variable?
• 312[02:32:21] <nkuttler> Aurora_v_kosmose: i have a dhcpd, yes
• 313[02:32:45] <Aurora_v_kosmose> nkuttler: That'd be why you aren't running into the same issue.
• 314[02:33:00] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Unless of course I got some weirdly outdated package with the right hash/signature
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• 320[02:41:01] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Okay, so I have now reprovisioned the VM again without dropbear, I'll try the IP option again.
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• 326[02:45:55] <Aurora_v_kosmose> It occurs repeatably.
• 327[02:46:04] <Aurora_v_kosmose> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions is outdated.
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• 329[02:47:46] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Is there some informal way to log a bug that doesn't require me to spend a few hours finding a host that doesn't mind Tor-created emails?
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• 332[02:50:42] <nkuttler> fwiw, for a vm i wouldn't bother with dropbear, but i use qemu/kvm and can just connect to them with virt-manager
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• 340[03:01:23] <Aurora_v_kosmose> nkuttler: Oh indeed, I was testing it in a VM because testing on servers I need working is a bad idea.
• 341[03:01:36] <Aurora_v_kosmose> "Don't test in prod" is a generally good idea.
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• 344[03:02:24] <Aurora_v_kosmose> If it had worked the way I intended, I would indeed have eventually set that up on the actual host server.
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• 352[03:09:15] <except> can I use apt-mark, or some other mechanism, to mark a package as auto, when in actuality it is only suggested by an other package?
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• 354[03:09:56] <except> i.e. if I remove the first package, I want it to remove the suggested packages as well
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• 358[03:12:06] <annadane> that depends on if you have other packages installed which depend on that package
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• 360[03:12:19] <annadane> nominally apt autoremove does tha
• 361[03:12:19] <annadane> t
• 362[03:13:41] <Aurora_v_kosmose> nkuttler: But currently, all the /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions network invocations need to be updated.
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• 365[03:15:22] <except> annadane: no other packages depend on it. so, is it possible? to mark a suggested package effectively as an automatically installed package for the package that suggested it?
• 366[03:16:01] <annadane> probably?
• 367[03:16:06] <annadane> if i understand the question correctly
• 368[03:16:18] <annadane> !tias
• 369[03:16:18] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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• 371[03:17:21] <sney> I think this is a job for aptitude. I've never dug very far into it because disk space is cheap and I have a short attention span, but:
• 372[03:18:24] <sney> aptitude can tell that packages are on the system via a Suggests relationship (see 'aptitude why') so there should be some way to tell it to remove those packages specifically, or mark them as auto
• 373[03:19:33] <except> sney, thank you. I'll take a look at aptitude
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• 380[03:24:23] <tomreyn> apt configuration APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant may be of relevance there
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• 396[03:37:05] <Aurora_v_kosmose> > ipconfig is also the name for an linux dhcp client/tool to configure network device with klibc. This is mostly used in early user space, e.g. initramfs  | Ah, so that's what it was calling.
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• 403[03:48:31] <puppy> Why would this script stop deleting files? replaced-url
• 404[03:48:53] <Aurora_v_kosmose> puppy: You accidentally'd the uri path
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• 407[03:49:05] <puppy> oops lol
• 408[03:49:17] <puppy> replaced-url
• 409[03:49:23] <puppy> thanks for the heads up.
• 410[03:49:35] <puppy> I don't see why or where it would get stuck.
• 411[03:49:48] <puppy> it appears to be blocking or something
• 412[03:50:14] <puppy> no matter what I thought it would keep deleting the log files
• 413[03:51:25] <puppy> is it evident why or is more context necessary? I stripped away nothing from the main loop, but the surrounding though.. which only starts a few jobs in the background and then enters that main loop.
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• 415[03:51:37] <Aurora_v_kosmose> puppy: Have you run it with bash -x ?
• 416[03:51:41] <puppy> after 10 files or so it just stops.. but the background jobs keeps
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• 419[03:51:55] <puppy> Aurora_v_kosmose: just executing ./script.sh
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• 421[03:52:42] <Aurora_v_kosmose> puppy: I meant that you should run it with that because it'll output debug info such as variable expansions that may be misbehaving
• 422[03:52:46] <puppy> script works "fine" for some unpredictable time.. and then just stops deleting files which is its main purpose
• 423[03:53:04] <Aurora_v_kosmose> that "for i in *" for example often does weird things the minute you have spaces in a filename
• 424[03:53:20] <puppy> the file names are pure numbers
• 425[03:53:32] <puppy> starts with 1.. then 2.. 101.. 102
• 426[03:53:48] <puppy> not in series though, parallel background jobs are making them.
• 427[03:54:22] <puppy> but there's only numbers in them (pixel coordinates.. long story)
• 428[03:54:42] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I notice there's nothing to slow the creation of timout forks.
• 429[03:55:02] <Aurora_v_kosmose> It times out after 10 seconds, yes, but you might be reaching max process limits anyway
• 430[03:55:02] <puppy> Aurora_v_kosmose: if read -n 1 -t 1; then break; fi
• 431[03:55:32] <puppy> or yeah... the timeout is in the outter loop.. but.
• 432[03:55:50] <puppy> I see no nc processes in "ps -A" tough
• 433[03:56:04] <puppy> maybe that kills the script then though..
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• 435[03:56:41] <puppy> but.. the script starts with 0 files in logs and there are only logs created like once per 5 minutes or so
• 436[03:57:41] <puppy> the echoing was put there to help debugging.. that's how I figured out that it just stops there.. after that nc job has finished... because I got a printout from one of those: a successful push.. and then script just goes silent and logs keep piling up.
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• 438[03:58:40] <puppy> here's what's strange... if I now press a button.. it tend to just go through those files again
• 439[03:58:40] <Aurora_v_kosmose> puppy: Just for testing purposes, try having the break line instead append text to some file and tail -F ing it.
• 440[03:59:34] <puppy> to see if it "breaks"?
• 441[04:00:08] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Yeah.
• 442[04:00:24] <Aurora_v_kosmose> puppy: Running it with bash -x would similarly allow you to see.
• 443[04:01:57] <puppy> I will try that. But the script is still running though.
• 444[04:02:46] <Aurora_v_kosmose> puppy: You might want to kill it while testing manually
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• 448[04:07:59] <puppy> Aurora_v_kosmose: kill it, why?
• 449[04:08:26] <Aurora_v_kosmose> puppy: Well you don't want two copies of the script running at once, do you?
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• 470[04:36:30] <puppy> wouldn't mind :|
• 471[04:36:43] <puppy> one of them is just blocking anyway
• 472[04:37:18] <puppy> appears that read -n 1 -t 1; is blocking.. I can't figure out why though.. I'm not doing anything in that loop that should cause it to block.
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• 486[04:50:51] <Aurora_v_kosmose> puppy: Am I wrong in thinking an empty glob makes it run at least once on all runs?
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• 497[05:13:42] <puppy> Aurora_v_kosmose: first row prevents that, makes the glob an empty list if no files exists which runs 0 loops
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• 499[05:14:30] <Aurora_v_kosmose> puppy: Ah I see. I thought it'd result in an empty string. I could've tested it but didn't for whatever reason.
• 500[05:16:34] <puppy> problem is anyhow that "read -n 1 -t 1" blocks. I might have messed with stdin somewhere somehow
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• 503[05:18:27] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Afaik the background calls should send to stdin normally
• 504[05:18:56] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Hm. Not sure how to test that.
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• 510[05:22:05] <Aurora_v_kosmose> puppy: I think there may be a distinction between coprocesses and background processes.
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• 512[05:25:10] <puppy> read s & read -t 1 -n 1; echo x won't block the timed read .. so.. don't know what's causing it
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• 535[05:53:16] <LACampbell> how do you get the package name from a package listed from dpgk-query?
• 536[05:53:38] <LACampbell> ie I want to remove "adwaita-icon-themes", but apt remove doesn't know about it. because it's a virtual package.
• 537[05:55:28] <jmcnaught> ,v adwaita-icon-theme
• 538[05:55:29] <judd> Package: adwaita-icon-theme on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.0-2; stretch: 3.22.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 3.30.1-1; bullseye: 3.36.1-2; sid: 3.36.1-2
• 539[05:55:51] <jmcnaught> LACampbell: are you sure you don't mean adwaita-icon-theme (not plural)?
• 540[05:55:59] <LACampbell> yes
• 541[05:56:30] <LACampbell> I tried "apt-cache depends", which gave me another package I can't remove
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• 545[05:58:31] <jmcnaught> LACampbell: if you put the command and full output in a paste people here can probably help.
• 546[05:58:58] <LACampbell> yeah sorry I thought there was a general principal involved here
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• 548[06:03:22] <LACampbell> replaced-url
• 549[06:05:26] <jmcnaught> LACampbell: does "apt policy hicolor-icon-theme" say it's installed?
• 550[06:06:01] <jmcnaught> LACampbell: "apt-cache depends <package>" doesn't tell you anything about packages being installed or not.
• 551[06:06:03] <LACampbell> it does not. given a virtual package name, how do I determine which real package has installed it?
• 552[06:06:48] <jmcnaught> hicolor-icon-theme is not a virtual package.
• 553[06:07:02] <LACampbell> right!
• 554[06:07:05] <Aurora_v_kosmose> $(apt show $name) usually shows dependencies
• 555[06:07:19] <jmcnaught> aptitude has a search filter ~P for provides… for example "aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent"
• 556[06:07:45] <LACampbell> it shows dependencies, but not which are installed
• 557[06:07:53] <LACampbell> so is the TL;DR of this you need to cross reference it yourself?
• 558[06:08:02] <LACampbell> if so that;s fine, just want to know I'm not doing it the naiive way
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• 560[06:08:58] <jmcnaught> LACampbell: replaced-url
• 561[06:09:07] <quadrathoch2> shouldn't apt-cache rdepends <package> work why it was installed?
• 562[06:09:33] <jmcnaught> aptitude also has why and why-not commands
• 563[06:10:12] <jmcnaught> They just look for the first plausible reason why a packages is or isn't installed though, not necessarily the actual package that pulled it in.
• 564[06:10:20] <LACampbell> hmm
• 565[06:11:15] <LACampbell> I can't figure it out tbh, a reinstall may be in order. running out of disk space
• 566[06:12:26] <jmcnaught> debian-goodies package has a dpigs command that lists the pakages taking up the most space.
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• 568[06:12:39] <LACampbell> packages or virtual packages?
• 569[06:12:46] <LACampbell> because if virtual packages I'm back to square one
• 570[06:13:04] <jmcnaught> virtual packages aren't installed.
• 571[06:14:17] <jmcnaught> multiple packages may provide a virtual package. They're so other packages can depend on "httpd" and it'll work if it's apache2 or nginx because both provide the virtual package httpd.
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• 573[06:14:42] <LACampbell> this doesn't help at all. the biggest (installed) packages are all programming languages, which is fine
• 574[06:14:56] <LACampbell> the biggest virtual packages are icons and GUI stuff, in a system that has no GUI
• 575[06:15:14] <LACampbell> I think a reinstall is the way out of this. thanks for your help though
• 576[06:17:24] <pingfloyd> LACampbell: remove the meta-package that brought it in, and then mark what you want to keep as manual
• 577[06:17:51] <LACampbell> how do you find the meta package of a virtual package
• 578[06:17:57] <pingfloyd> then let autoremove clear out what you don't care about
• 579[06:18:18] <pingfloyd> with aptitude, synaptic, or apt-rdepends
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• 581[06:21:53] <LACampbell> too many yak-shaving steps for me, I'm completely lost. thanks for the tips though
• 582[06:21:57] <LACampbell> will just reinstall
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• 584[06:23:25] <pingfloyd> LACampbell: so like: apt-rdepends -r --state-follow=Installed adwaita-icon-theme
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• 586[06:26:05] <LACampbell> that just lists more packages I can't remove.
• 587[06:26:34] <jmcnaught> Because they're not installed?
• 588[06:26:53] <LACampbell> right
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• 593[06:29:55] <pingfloyd> LACampbell: even better for this would be apt-rdepends -r -p --state-follow=Installed --state-show=Installed adwaita-icon-theme
• 594[06:30:09] <pingfloyd> LACampbell: start at the bottom of the output and work your way back.
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• 596[06:30:33] <pingfloyd> LACampbell: at the bottom of the list, what are packages you don't want or care about. Start removing those. And work your way back
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• 601[06:37:53] <LACampbell> pingfloyd: that returns one package, adwaita-icon-theme :D
• 602[06:39:53] <pingfloyd> LACampbell: another approach is see what packages it lists that depend on it when you try to run apt-get remove adwaita-icon-them. Are any of those ones you want to keep?
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• 604[06:40:16] <pingfloyd> LACampbell: the key to keeping it all tidy, is what is marked as manually installed and what is marked as manual
• 605[06:40:42] <LACampbell> pingfloyd: oh the problem is it lists no packages at all. it just tells me it's not installed. which I understand is because it's virtual
• 606[06:41:39] <jmcnaught> adwaita-icon-theme is not a virtual package.
• 607[06:41:56] <jmcnaught> Are you trying to free up space on a system that's low on storage?
• 608[06:42:38] <pingfloyd> aside from the packages with priorities of required and important (and maybe standard depending on your preference), all other packages should be manual that you know you want, and everything else auto.
• 609[06:43:12] <pingfloyd> one with priority of required and important should all be manual
• 610[06:43:23] <LACampbell> I found adwaita-icon-theme from dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;8} ${Package}\n' | sort -n
• 611[06:43:38] <LACampbell> yes, machine is low on storage
• 612[06:43:42] <pingfloyd> then autoremove will get rid of the cruft easily and consistently
• 613[06:43:44] <LACampbell> also has no GUI, yet has a tone of GUI libraries
• 614[06:45:52] <jmcnaught> LACampbell: "du -sh <directory>" can be useful for finding what's taking up all the space. See its man page for other options. ncdu is an ncurses based front end to du. If it ran out of space recently it could an out of control log file in /var for example.
• 615[06:46:12] <pingfloyd> there's also ncdu if you want to use a tui
• 616[06:46:33] <LACampbell> here's what I don't understand
• 617[06:46:41] <LACampbell> if a package shows up in a dpkg-query search
• 618[06:46:45] <LACampbell> why can I not remove it?
• 619[06:47:01] <LACampbell> like am I operating from some faulty assumptions?
• 620[06:47:30] <pingfloyd> yes
• 621[06:48:09] <pingfloyd> dpkg -S is to find out what package a file comes from
• 622[06:48:09] <dpkg> You Fool! is to find out what package a file comes from is installed!
• 623[06:48:54] <LACampbell> " dpkg-query is a tool to show information about packages listed in the dpkg database."
• 624[06:49:11] <pingfloyd> you don't actually have to type out dpkg-query
• 625[06:49:36] <LACampbell> that's from the man page
• 626[06:49:40] <pingfloyd> dpkg -S is same as dpkg-query -S or --search
• 627[06:49:40] <dpkg> You Fool! is same as dpkg-query -S or --search is installed!
• 628[06:49:51] <LACampbell> so I expect a dpkg-query to return... packages
• 629[06:50:03] <LACampbell> so it returns packages that were once installed, but no longer are?
• 630[06:50:08] <pingfloyd> your assumption is off
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• 632[06:50:19] <pingfloyd> that's the general purpose of dpkg-query yes
• 633[06:50:29] <LACampbell> so what have I returned?
• 634[06:50:40] <pingfloyd> but -S or --search serves a specific purpose on querying that db
• 635[06:50:50] <LACampbell> so what's in the dpkg db if not packages
• 636[06:50:57] <LACampbell> what am I returning?
• 637[06:51:02] <pingfloyd> you're overthinking it
• 638[06:51:23] <LACampbell> isn't this the core bit of why I am confused?
• 639[06:51:29] <LACampbell> because I found a result from dpkg-query
• 640[06:51:31] <pingfloyd> dpkg -S pattern will show what package, that pattern for file search, belongs to.
• 641[06:51:31] <dpkg> You Fool! pattern will show what package, that pattern for file search, belongs to. is installed!
• 642[06:51:35] <LACampbell> which I thought queried packages
• 643[06:52:01] <LACampbell> but I'm not looking at files
• 644[06:52:27] <pingfloyd> you're basically asking it, "here's a pattern to match file names, what package(s) are they in?"
• 645[06:52:29] <jmcnaught> LACampbell: if "dpkg -l | grep <package name>" lists the package as 'rc' at the start of the line, it means that the package is removed but not purged, it still has config files present on the system.
• 646[06:52:53] <jmcnaught> LACampbell: removed but not purged packages will also be listed by dpkg-query -W
• 647[06:52:57] <pingfloyd> this will generally only work on packages that are installed or have residual configs left around
• 648[06:53:09] <pingfloyd> if the package isn't installed, that's where apt-file comes in
• 649[06:53:38] <LACampbell> so I need "autopurge', I guess
• 650[06:53:39] <pingfloyd> but if you have the file on the system, you probably have the package installed, so dpkg -S is the name of the game there.
• 651[06:54:26] <jmcnaught> LACampbell: "aptitude -s purge ~c"
• 652[06:55:04] <LACampbell> another 25mb...
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• 655[06:56:52] <LACampbell> what file
• 656[06:57:55] <LACampbell> sorry guys, I need to quit while I'm ahead. I appreciate the help but in the time we've talked I could have re-installed. have a good one
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• 707[08:42:00] <r3> in the terminal, say you invoke "md5sum file" and then realize you wanted to actually invoke "md5sum -b file" - is there a shortcut that is similar to '!!' (I guess) that would allow me to just type the '-b' - something like '@@ -b' which would rerun that last invocation but with that added option.
• 708[08:42:35] <ectospasm> r3: you could run `md5sum -b !$`
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• 710[08:44:24] <r3> I didn't know about that, but - hrm, that still makes me do some editing on the line, like would up-arrow, backspace to the command, add the '-b' and type '!$' ... better, but not ideal
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• 712[08:44:59] <ectospasm> Or `!:s/md5sum /md5sum -b/`
• 713[08:45:21] <r3> ectospasm: is there a good place to look for these shortcuts?
• 714[08:45:25] <ectospasm> But yeah, I don't think you'd be able to insert `-b` without some editing or repeating the command.
• 715[08:45:48] <r3> hmm, the sed -type replacement there is a lot of work ;)
• 716[08:46:00] <ectospasm> r3: Probably look at history substitutions in ABS (Advanced Bash Guide) on tldp.
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• 719[08:47:37] <r3> I will have a look. It would be wonderful if all the commands/programs whathaveyou - were command-line neutral such that any option could be in any order. I know "command -option file" is pretty standard, but if they were neutral, then something like my '!! -option' would work all the time ;)
• 720[08:48:29] <ectospasm> r3: that depends highly on the commands themselves. Most aren't going to expect flags after the usual arguments.
• 721[08:48:38] * r3 nods
• 722[08:48:39] <ectospasm> See the '--' flag for most GNU programs.
• 723[08:48:43] <r3> yeah
• 724[08:49:06] <r3> again, I was just wishing they were all neutral and any order was acceptable
• 725[08:49:46] <r3> ectospasm: was it this you were referring to? [ replaced-url
• 726[08:50:08] <ectospasm> r3: That looks like it.
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• 728[08:51:51] <r3> I wonder if it could be scripted, like finding where to insert it wouldn't be an issue, just skip the first word and first space on the previously-entered invocation and place whatever I gave as an additional option
• 729[08:53:02] <ectospasm> It depends on what you're trying to add.
• 730[08:53:51] <r3> someone in #bash gave me: " r3: ^ ^ -b # note: -b is followed by a space "
• 731[08:54:02] <r3> and I tried '^ ^ -b ' which worked
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• 737[08:59:57] <KatrinValerie> My installation has an issue with the nvidia driver, where the graphical system only starts after I manually execute `modprobe -i nvidia-current-drm modeset=1`
• 738[09:00:10] <KatrinValerie> What's the right place to fix this?
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• 741[09:05:57] <ectospasm> KatrinValerie: probably in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf, set `options nvidia-current-drm modeset=1`
• 742[09:06:05] <ectospasm> But that's just a guess on my part.
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• 744[09:06:53] <bracham> so i'm totally not sure what happened, but suddenly my primary user (first after root, uid 1000) got stuck on login loop. i could add another user and log in just fine. i tried everything i could find online to fix it, to no avail. it was pretty much a fresh install, so i finally just reinstalled.
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• 748[09:09:34] <KatrinValerie> ectospasm: I could share the config file, which pastebin site do you prefer?
• 749[09:10:22] <nevivurn> bracham: it could have been a problem in your local configuration (.profile, .bashrc, etc.) that was running after login, but immediately making your shell exit.
• 750[09:11:11] <ectospasm> KatrinValerie: paste.debian.net works for me, I think.
• 751[09:11:37] <brachamh> nevivurn, for sure, and i'm sorry i didn't detail what i all tried, but i dug into everything i could find online...dug through any config files i could think of or find otherwise, and couldn't find anything offhand that seemed off.
• 752[09:11:45] <KatrinValerie> ectospasm: replaced-url
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• 754[09:12:08] <KatrinValerie> ectospasm: There's also an nvidia.conf in /etc/modules-load.d/
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• 756[09:12:35] <KatrinValerie> which just contained a single line `nvidia-drm modeset=1`
• 757[09:12:57] <KatrinValerie> I changed it to nvidia-current-drm now, cause that's the correct name of the module
• 758[09:13:05] <KatrinValerie> maybe that fixes it already
• 759[09:13:44] <ectospasm> I'm not really sure. I don't really use nvidia on my Debian systems.
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• 763[09:16:17] <debuggerboy> <bracham> as <nevivurn> advised the "login loop" behavior might be due to a wrong config. Since you have tried everything. May be one last step you may try would be to rename your "~/.config" and "~/.local" directories. Then try to login.
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• 765[09:16:33] <KatrinValerie> Well, that did not fix it.
• 766[09:16:48] <nevivurn> debuggerboy: they're gone, unfortunately
• 767[09:17:07] <bracham> nevivurn, no i'm still here
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• 769[09:17:12] <nevivurn> wait what
• 770[09:17:13] <bracham> two systems, side by side
• 771[09:17:18] <nevivurn> oh my god you are confusing me
• 772[09:18:22] <bracham> hahaha! stable desktop right now, sadly still ubuntu, the other one is my laptop, experimental, on which i'm trying to get everything working properly with debian.
• 773[09:19:50] <bracham> debuggerboy, if i were to rename those directories, would the system simply create new ones with the appropriate config files when i went to login again?
• 774[09:20:04] <nevivurn> but yeah, your config is probably what's wrong. Worst case, move your files elsewhere, delete your user (and home) and re-create it
• 775[09:20:34] <nevivurn> I don't think the system would recreate .profile and the such, those are copied from /etc/skel during user creation iirc
• 776[09:21:48] <bracham> ok that sounds right
• 777[09:22:05] <debuggerboy> <bracham> - only rename "~/.config" and "~/.local" directories. Those directories will be automatically created if needed by respective applications.
• 778[09:22:26] <bracham> debuggerboy, right, then if necessary i could rename them back
• 779[09:22:56] <bracham> i did a fresh install overtop now though. got sick of hitting dead ends
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• 782[09:24:44] <ectospasm> I'm not sure, could there have been a ~/.nologin file or something causing that? I know if there's a /run/nologin, no one but root can login...
• 783[09:25:39] <bracham> i'm kinda wondering if it's due to the fact that i installed all available DEs and had used most of them already...maybe something got crossed and it couldn't pick the proper DE
• 784[09:25:40] <nevivurn> Luckily, since the issue was specific to a single user, it's unlikely it would have been a problem outside of /home/$USER.
• 785[09:25:41] <debuggerboy> <bracham> OK. A fresh install should have fixed your issue. Do you have your "/home" mounted as a separate partition? on is it sharing the "/" partition?
• 786[09:26:36] <bracham> nevivurn, yes it seemed to be something in the /home folder of that user. couldn't find it before i gave up though.
• 787[09:27:05] <bracham> debuggerboy, so far i'm just set up as a basic install with everything on the same partition
• 788[09:28:16] <bracham> i'm already multi-booting ubuntu, win10, debian, i haven't felt like breaking the drive into more partitions to confuse me when i break stuff and / or decide to adjust partitions
• 789[09:28:43] <Gimcrack> It's 2020, get hella RAM and load up VMs
• 790[09:29:16] <bracham> i have no need to run multiple OSes at the same time
• 791[09:29:30] <bracham> and i'm using older computers
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• 793[09:29:50] <debuggerboy> <bracham> which version of debian is installed on this system where you have "Login Loop"
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• 795[09:30:42] <bracham> debuggerboy, buster
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• 797[09:31:38] <debuggerboy> <bracham> Did renaming "~/.config" and "~/.local" directories help?
• 798[09:31:47] <debuggerboy> no, I believe..
• 799[09:31:57] <KatrinValerie> ectospasm: did the config file shine any light on anything?
• 800[09:32:23] <ectospasm> KatrinValerie: you're still having the problem?
• 801[09:32:40] <ectospasm> I'm not all that familiar with nvidia on Debian, so I won't be much help.
• 802[09:32:45] <bracham> debuggerboy, i don't think i did that before i reinstalled
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• 804[09:33:15] <KatrinValerie> Yeah, still couldn't figure out why it doesn't seem to work without manual intervention
• 805[09:33:16] <bracham> and now i gotta go put my little guy back to sleep. might not be back tonight.
• 806[09:33:17] <android> did you reboot the machine?
• 807[09:33:19] <debuggerboy> ok, <bracham> do you have this problematic system online right now?
• 808[09:33:36] <r3> he reinstalled
• 809[09:33:53] <plt> I need some help with disk quota. When I run this quotacheck -cug /mnt I am getting this error quotacheck: Quota for users is enabled on mountpoint /mnt so quotacheck might damage the file.
• 810[09:33:53] <plt> Please turn quotas off or use -f to force checking.
• 811[09:34:05] <android> check for cotex libs
• 812[09:34:36] <plt> me?
• 813[09:34:43] <android> contextis labs updates the cotex libs
• 814[09:34:48] <debuggerboy> <bracham> if this system is online, and you can at least login to this system using a shell. Then try renaming those 2 directories via shell. Then try rebooting and attempt to login via GUI and see if it helps.
• 815[09:35:12] <android> darius gets authorized
• 816[09:35:37] <plt> replaced-url
• 817[09:35:58] <r3> debuggerboy: bracham resintalled.
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• 819[09:37:03] <plt> These file already exist on /mnt aquota.group aquota.user home lost+found
• 820[09:37:03] <r3> plt: have you read [ replaced-url
• 821[09:37:06] <android> plt is that your cotex lib?
• 822[09:37:20] <plt> I have been reading a lot of online documentation.
• 823[09:37:46] <debuggerboy> <r3> - okay
• 824[09:37:51] <android> what online documrntation?
• 825[09:38:15] <plt> That url you gave me is telling me t run -f option and that is not fixing the issue
• 826[09:38:23] <plt> 30 links
• 827[09:38:31] <android> you install ancient egypt and make htmldocs
• 828[09:38:33] <r3> no it's not, it's saying not to run it on a live filesystem
• 829[09:38:58] <plt> The /dev/sdb1 is moount on /mnt
• 830[09:39:12] <android> r3 shoot the moon first
• 831[09:39:25] <plt> Sdb1 is not where the os is running.
• 832[09:39:26] <android> compile ext4 on rt kernel
• 833[09:39:53] <plt> sdb1 is a secondardy harddrive
• 834[09:39:56] <android> after alignment with rainbow tables
• 835[09:40:23] <r3> really, android? ugh.
• 836[09:40:30] <android> true color display
• 837[09:40:46] <r3> bot/troll
• 838[09:40:56] <android> 24bit from snes
• 839[09:41:16] <plt> quotacheck -cugf /mnt
• 840[09:41:16] <plt> falcon512:~#
• 841[09:41:20] <android> get the turquoise right
• 842[09:41:41] <android> teal is not turqoise
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• 844[09:41:55] <android> blue-green is not turqoise
• 845[09:42:07] <plt> R3 /dev/sdb1 is a secondary drive blank empty, no
• 846[09:42:15] <android> check against epson 3 l.e.d.
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• 848[09:42:17] <plt> R3 /dev/sdb1 is a secondary drive blank empty, so its no to your question
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• 851[09:43:29] <plt> R3 the main os is on /dev/sda3
• 852[09:44:10] <android> windows 95 on a crt
• 853[09:44:35] <android> after that it was goodbye to turqoise
• 854[09:44:49] <plt> -cug /mnt
• 855[09:44:49] <plt> quotacheck: Quota for users is enabled on mountpoint /mnt so quotacheck might damage the file.
• 856[09:44:49] <plt> Please turn quotas off or use -f to force checking.
• 857[09:44:54] <android> cathode ray tube
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• 859[09:45:06] <android> raytheon
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• 861[09:46:05] <plt> r3 I am not troll.
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• 863[09:46:18] <r3> not you
• 864[09:46:20] <android> vga D connector
• 865[09:46:26] <plt> Ok
• 866[09:46:29] <r3> android just jabbbering
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• 868[09:46:59] <android> if you get the hint
• 869[09:47:11] <android> X capture
• 870[09:47:29] <android> calibrate your microscope once
• 871[09:47:33] <r3> plt, sorry I don't have an answer for you, someone else may? :\
• 872[09:47:42] <plt> Ok
• 873[09:47:47] <android> then pipe it to X
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• 875[09:48:31] <android> run covid-19 through your microscope
• 876[09:48:38] <android> press record
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• 878[09:48:51] <android> sign the data and send to me
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• 880[09:49:16] <android> live filesystem is a comnundrum
• 881[09:49:37] <android> is it really live?
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• 883[09:50:08] <android> if it is live you hit close to the ark
• 884[09:50:39] <android> and you get "welcome to the matrix"
• 885[09:50:55] <android> greetings earthling
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• 888[09:51:41] <android> debian can build a real matrix console
• 889[09:51:57] <android> its like a rep rap
• 890[09:52:06] <themill> android: that's enough, thanks
• 891[09:52:13] <android> read the imstructions on xwindows
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• 893[09:53:02] <android> themill drop off walter
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• 896[09:53:20] <Abrax> hah
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• 898[09:54:48] <kreyren> Ahahahaha replaced-url
• 899[09:55:24] <kreyren> Is there a better way to downgrade libc? :p
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• 902[09:56:35] <kreyren> bcs my franky doesn't like 2,30~ replaced-url
• 903[09:56:59] <kreyren> and i am too lazy to upgrade devuan's consolekit~
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• 909[10:02:23] <kreyren> kreyren, apt-get install package=version
• 910[10:02:25] <kreyren> kreyren, thanku
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• 914[10:05:16] <plt> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: replaced-url
• 915[10:05:24] <plt> After running apt-get upgrade
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• 919[10:07:23] <plt> It was apt-get update I am getting a lot of errors.
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• 921[10:08:37] <plt> replaced-url
• 922[10:08:40] <ectospasm> plt: try a different mirror.
• 923[10:09:02] <plt> Which one do you recommend?
• 924[10:09:24] <plt> 4.19.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2+deb10u1 (2020-06-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 925[10:09:44] <ectospasm> I let http.debian.net choose one for me.
• 926[10:09:53] <ectospasm> (that's what I have in my sources.list)
• 927[10:10:19] <plt> What directory is that in?
• 928[10:10:28] <ectospasm> /etc/apt/sources.list
• 929[10:10:35] <ectospasm> Or /etc/apt/sources.d/
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• 931[10:12:01] <debuggerboy> <plt> - do you have qutota enabled on "/var" directory as well?
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• 933[10:12:48] <plt> Hold on please
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• 936[10:14:01] <plt> Debuggerboy what file should I check?
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• 939[10:15:24] <plt> This does work deb replaced-url
• 940[10:15:56] <ectospasm> That's not what I suggested, but OK
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• 944[10:16:56] <plt> What lines are you using?
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• 946[10:19:01] <plt> I am using debian 10
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• 955[10:21:53] <plt> This does not work deb replaced-url
• 956[10:21:53] <plt> deb-src replaced-url
• 957[10:21:53] <plt> deb replaced-url
• 958[10:21:53] <plt> deb-src replaced-url
• 959[10:21:56] <plt> Sorry
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• 962[10:22:11] <plt> Sorry
• 963[10:22:26] <plt> This does not work replaced-url
• 964[10:22:52] <debuggerboy> <plt> - Please read : replaced-url
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• 968[10:27:07] <plt> I am using the example on the wiki site and same error
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• 971[10:28:19] <kreyren> What does apt need to extract deb things? replaced-url
• 972[10:28:21] <kreyren> >.>
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• 976[10:30:15] <plt> replaced-url
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• 978[10:30:36] <plt> I used the example on debian wiki
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• 983[10:31:38] <debuggerboy> <plt> can you post the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
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• 986[10:34:54] <plt> replaced-url
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• 988[10:36:39] <plt> That is my sources.list file.
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• 990[10:37:42] <debuggerboy> <plt> - checking the file.
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• 995[10:40:38] <debuggerboy> <plt> - Thank you for sharing the sources.list file. replaced-url
• 996[10:40:54] <debuggerboy> what happens when you issue : "sudo apt update"
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• 999[10:41:33] <debuggerboy> is it still throwing errors after disabling the "debian.intergenia.de" mirror?
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• 1001[10:43:02] <plt> I get this replaced-url
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• 1010[10:45:00] <plt> I pasted the output in paste
• 1011[10:45:25] <debuggerboy> <plt> can you provide the output for "cat /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_InRelease"
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• 1013[10:46:25] <debuggerboy> <plt> as per your paste replaced-url
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• 1016[10:46:57] <plt> Hold on
• 1017[10:46:59] <plt> Slow down
• 1018[10:47:19] <debuggerboy> <plt> sorry, yes.
• 1019[10:49:12] <plt> The file is to large
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• 1022[10:50:42] <plt> I could grep it if you tell me what your looking for.
• 1023[10:51:01] <debuggerboy> <plt> ok, can you confirm if the contents of the file " /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_InRelease" is exactly identical to replaced-url
• 1024[10:51:34] <plt> I can not do that because the files are way to large
• 1025[10:51:47] <debuggerboy> <plt> may be you could do a simple md5sum
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• 1027[10:52:00] <plt> What do you mean?
• 1028[10:52:39] <debuggerboy> can you give the output for "md5sum /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_InRelease"
• 1029[10:52:41] <plt> md5sum /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_InRelease
• 1030[10:52:41] <plt> 3f0171408cdeac7b18d64275f9ae1393 /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_InReleas
• 1031[10:52:48] <debuggerboy> ok
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• 1033[10:54:10] <debuggerboy> <plt> the correct value of md5sum of that file should have been "d65fc60feb5f43815d286485e26481ae"
• 1034[10:54:27] <debuggerboy> the file is getting downloaded partially. I doubt
• 1035[10:54:44] <plt> How can I fix the issue?
• 1036[10:54:54] <debuggerboy> thats why "/usr/bin/apt-key" is failing to validate the file.
• 1037[10:55:50] <plt> OK. How can I fix the issue? Its not a firewall issue
• 1038[10:56:24] <debuggerboy> <plt> - we need to identify why the file is not downloading completely.
• 1039[10:56:55] <debuggerboy> <plt> - I am not familiar with Firewall, I can't comment on that.
• 1040[10:57:14] <plt> It's not the firewall nor the internet connection to the serer at the datacenter
• 1041[10:57:35] <debuggerboy> <plt> - might be,
• 1042[10:57:49] <plt> Its not
• 1043[10:57:54] <kreyren> What does apt need to extract deb things? replaced-url
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• 1045[10:58:31] <plt> I am not sure
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• 1047[10:59:54] <debuggerboy> <plt> - I am afraid, if the "quota" issues which you mentioned previously have any relation to the "apt update" errors?
• 1048[11:00:24] <plt> I am not sure. It seem to install ok
• 1049[11:00:37] <plt> I am not sure. The quota packages seem to install ok
• 1050[11:00:45] <kreyren> ah it seems i've uninstalled bash from me debian and that's why it's failing~
• 1051[11:01:38] <kreyren> ... what provides bash on debian~
• 1052[11:01:47] <plt> I am going to get some sleep.
• 1053[11:01:52] <kreyren> plt, lol
• 1054[11:01:53] <debuggerboy> <plt> may be you can try disabling the quota and try the "sudo apt update"
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• 1056[11:02:27] <plt> How do I disable the quota?
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• 1058[11:02:43] <debuggerboy> <plt> by using quotaoff command
• 1059[11:03:09] <plt> quotaoff -a
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• 1061[11:03:50] <debuggerboy> -a should disable all quotas, its worth a try
• 1062[11:04:11] <plt> SAme issue
• 1063[11:04:40] <plt> W: GPG error: replaced-url
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• 1065[11:04:54] <plt> E: The repository 'replaced-url
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• 1067[11:05:14] <plt> I will be back in a few hours.
• 1068[11:05:22] <debuggerboy> <plt> ok
• 1069[11:05:25] <kreyren> > /usr/sbin/update-info-dir: 52: rm: not found O.O
• 1070[11:06:47] <debuggerboy> <plt> is this box in digitalocean ?
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• 1077[11:09:34] <kreyren> Soliton, would be proud to see that command overrides are not stupid~
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• 1080[11:10:51] <kreyren> plt, install debian-keyring
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• 1086[11:12:46] <kreyren> ratrace, :p
• 1087[11:12:53] <kreyren> ratrace, nothing to see here just broken system! :p
• 1088[11:12:59] <ratrace> aww.
• 1089[11:13:04] <kreyren> THAT I'VE JUST FUCKED HUGYEAH
• 1090[11:13:07] <kreyren> ...
• 1091[11:13:13] <kreyren> wanted to say FIXED
• 1092[11:13:19] <kreyren> and censored the wrong thing
• 1093[11:13:23] <kreyren> don't hurt meh x.x
• 1094[11:13:59] <kreyren> ratrace, any idea what is causing this? `/usr/sbin/update-info-dir: 57: rm: not found`
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• 1096[11:15:12] <ratrace> kreyren: eh, context?
• 1097[11:15:59] <kreyren> ratrace, replaced-url
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• 1099[11:16:55] <kreyren> ratrace, fixing the update-info-dir script by adding /bin to everything works though O.o
• 1100[11:17:05] <kreyren> Seems that the PATH in apt is hugged up somehow >.>
• 1101[11:17:08] <ratrace> kreyren: no idea really, esp. if that's a frankenthing :)
• 1102[11:17:21] <kreyren> ratrace, it's not franken it's a monster now~
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• 1105[11:17:50] <kreyren> well more lika a zombiebian now
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• 1107[11:19:03] <kreyren> so none can say frankenbian is not supported because i've exeeded that level :p
• 1108[11:19:56] <OERIAS> PRINT "Hello World"
• 1109[11:20:15] <kreyren> DERIAS this is not #powershell :p
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• 1111[11:20:20] <OERIAS> PRINT "First IRC Message from Space"
• 1112[11:20:24] <OERIAS> oops
• 1113[11:20:29] <OERIAS> sorry this was the offtopic
• 1114[11:20:31] <OERIAS> sorry
• 1115[11:20:32] <kreyren> OERIAS, from space? O.o
• 1116[11:21:19] <kreyren> pretty sure i have that claim already depending on what you consider a space :p
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• 1121[11:26:56] <ratrace> ISS crew: hold our beer....
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• 1123[11:33:43] <kreyren> fixed the issue by adding /bin to PATH in /etc/environment ^-^
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• 1125[11:35:49] <ratrace> kreyren: /etc/profile is more the correct place for that
• 1126[11:36:22] <ratrace> assuming your system is based on bourne and bourne-compatible shells
• 1127[11:37:01] <kreyren> ratrace, well my system is bare minimum LFS with busybox sh xD but the sandboxes are bourne~
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• 1130[11:38:28] <kreyren> ratrace, aldo the /etc/profile already has /bin O.o
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• 1132[11:43:00] <kreyren> nevermind time to grab a backup~
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• 1148[12:03:27] <ratrace> kreyren: well thing is, /etc/profile will set absolute values to PATH thus overriding anything you set elsewhere, and BEFORE /etc/profile is sources, and it _should_ be sourced on each new login shell session
• 1149[12:03:51] <kreyren> ratrace, true, but doesn't seem to be sourced by apt runtime
• 1150[12:04:03] <ratrace> at least on debian, but this being #debian, and I have no idea what's the .... uh.... frankesteining precedence/order of slashing.... you did there
• 1151[12:04:36] <ratrace> kreyren: but apt is usually called from a login session, thus it should inherit the PATH
• 1152[12:04:51] <ratrace> otherwise, your cron or whatever other way you're calling apt is missing PATH specifier
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• 1155[12:05:35] <kreyren> ratrace it seems to be using it's own shell session O.o
• 1156[12:05:39] <kreyren> which lacks the PATH
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• 1159[12:06:01] <ratrace> though imho it's a bug for package management to use relative paths. remember the dwarf fortress thingy beacuse some post inst script used `df` instead of /usr/bin/df, which would start dwarf fortress every time the package is upgraded
• 1160[12:06:14] <ratrace> (if DF was installed)
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• 1169[12:11:13] <aiRness> Hello, any ideas when this is going to be solved at sid ? "libc6-dev : Breaks: libgcc-9-dev (< 9.3.0-5~) but 9.2.1-23 is to be installed"
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• 1172[12:13:43] <nkuttler> aiRness: sooner if you help
• 1173[12:14:08] <aiRness> gotcha
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• 1175[12:18:00] <kreyren> ratrace, i see O.o
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• 1184[12:27:32] <kreyren> is there a way to pin packages to be installed by apt on `apt upgrade` ?
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• 1187[12:29:37] <ratrace> kreyren: yup. you get to keep the piece when it breaks, tho :) replaced-url
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• 1189[12:30:13] <ratrace> also apt-mark and "hold"
• 1190[12:30:36] <kreyren> ratrace, i mean when i compile a new debian for me to get all the required packages though apt o.o
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• 1192[12:31:02] <kreyren> for example paludis installs everything from a world file by calling `cave resolve world x`
• 1193[12:31:08] <ratrace> kreyren: you can dpkg --get-selections, then use that list for --set-selections
• 1194[12:31:21] <kreyren> eh? O.o
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• 1196[12:32:04] <ratrace> kreyren: kinda like the "gentoo world file", but for apt
• 1197[12:32:49] <kreyren> checking
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• 1201[12:35:01] <kreyren> ratrace, can't i do that in a file somewhere?
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• 1206[12:36:46] <ratrace> kreyren: you can dpkg --get-selections > my-selections.txt and then somewhere else dpkg --set-selections < my-selections.txt then run apt install -f
• 1207[12:37:06] <kreyren> ratrace, thanks ^-^
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• 1278[13:22:03] <kreyren> How can i pin everything to -! ?
• 1279[13:22:05] <kreyren> Pin: * ?
• 1280[13:22:16] <kreyren> Debian has confusing statement about wild-cards >.>
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• 1282[13:26:39] <abrotman> how many versions of debian are you mixing?
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• 1286[13:30:50] <kreyren> abrotman, all
• 1287[13:30:57] <kreyren> and also devuan and xebian
• 1288[13:31:14] <kreyren> and considering ubuntu but only to be pinned as -1 and output a rude message everytime it's pulled :p
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• 1290[13:33:28] <BCMM> pinning is not going to save you
• 1291[13:33:48] <kreyren> BCMM, sandboxing and try and error until it works while reworking downstream if needed will!
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• 1293[13:34:03] <kreyren> because currently i have frankenbian that is using consolekit from stablebian to have GUI :p
• 1294[13:34:20] <kreyren> and xfce4 from exherbo ahah
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• 1296[13:35:05] <kreyren> peer-review would be nice though ^-^ replaced-url
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• 1300[13:36:49] <kreyren> i want to pin everything at -1 and then cherrypick the wanted packages atm O.o
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• 1302[13:37:54] <kreyren> BCMM, please help meh <3
• 1303[13:38:15] <BCMM> i'm not really sure how to pin things properly
• 1304[13:38:25] <kreyren> who knows then O.o
• 1305[13:38:32] <BCMM> but i do know that pinning does not magically make debian and ubuntu packages mix nicely
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• 1309[13:42:12] <kreyren> BCMM, which is what the custom downstream is :p
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• 1313[13:46:05] <annadane> again, if you're going to mix everything and the kitchen sink don't be surprised when it breaks and otherwise try not to ask for help in here, we specifically don't support frankendebians; if you really want to learn how to do this, become knowledgeable *first*; you can read up about pinning on the internet
• 1314[13:46:13] <annadane> but you're going to break your system regardless
• 1315[13:47:04] <abrotman> man apt_preferences
• 1316[13:47:30] <abrotman> but it's going to break eventually, and no one will want to help you .. Good luck
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• 1319[13:50:01] <kreyren> annadane, breakage is expected! pinning was read already and noted in in-code docs.. trying to do peer review to make sure i understood it correctly~
• 1320[13:50:12] <kreyren> and if the system breaks it's sandboxed environment so i can fix that easily ^-^
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• 1323[13:52:52] <kreyren> abrotman, ^
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• 1328[13:56:39] <abrotman> okay, bye
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• 1334[14:03:02] <kreyren> abrotman, :c
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• 1344[14:10:18] <ratrace> kreyren: problem is, pinning won't help you with different library dependencies. the ABI kind of deps. even if you manage to co-install and break deps, it won't work at runtime
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• 1346[14:10:51] <kreyren> ratrace, in which case i will make a manual fix or grab the executable from a different sandbox
• 1347[14:10:56] <kreyren> or library O.o
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• 1349[14:11:52] <ratrace> kreyren: which will have to be pitch-perfect version and pathset if there's any; which boils down to "just use that one repo for everything"
• 1350[14:12:02] <ratrace> OR... build from source but then.... hello gentoo ;)
• 1351[14:12:10] <ratrace> *patchset
• 1352[14:12:40] <kreyren> ratrace, The sandbox is build from source and packages can also be :p replaced-url
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• 1354[14:12:53] <kreyren> the small terminal is running exherbo compiling gimp for me to use on debian for example
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• 1356[14:13:21] <kreyren> since i can manage the executables into a one master sandbox and have the expected things present within one terminal~
• 1357[14:14:01] <kreyren> bcs gentoo is too inefficient for any kinds of runtime~
• 1358[14:14:32] <ratrace> is there any point of that other than.... because you can? :)
• 1359[14:14:43] <kreyren> so if needed i can merge the gimp into a debian sandbox with my changes
• 1360[14:15:10] <kreyren> and my paludis can work with debian packages so it fetches them and extracts them for me to make the changes then are then made into a binary ^-
• 1361[14:15:18] <ratrace> iirc you started with a rescue env and wanted many different tools but... this doesn't seem like that project any more :)
• 1362[14:15:32] <kreyren> ratrace, mostly experimenting because otherwise i have to have 9 sandboxes with debian and this does the same goal and is more efficient
• 1363[14:15:52] <kreyren> since even if the debian is broken it works for me fine since the components from it are used as a building block for my OS~
• 1364[14:15:59] <ratrace> efficient... for the computer maybe, but not for the operator :) you've been at this for months. wait... year(s)?
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• 1366[14:16:38] <kreyren> nah few days for this :p before i have frankendebian on all my other systems to get openrc and stuff which doesn't effect the debian part~
• 1367[14:16:43] <ratrace> (and note it's hard to help for "the debian part only" if there's so much mutation in the "debian part only")
• 1368[14:17:18] <kreyren> ye this is basically like new distro made on demand O.o but i only need help with the debian things like pinning~
• 1369[14:17:26] <kreyren> the rest i can handle ^-^
• 1370[14:17:38] <kreyren> well mostly i can O.o
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• 1372[14:18:32] <jmcnaught> The thing about pinning is barely anyone uses it, and it's only meant for one-off cases that normally don't apply to stable. It's not meant to become a daily religious practice.
• 1373[14:19:07] <kreyren> i know but it seems to have the functionality to allow me to pin all packages invidually~
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• 1377[14:21:10] <kreyren> Ideally to get closer to configuration alike replaced-url
• 1378[14:23:21] <kreyren> untill i finish working on my package manger which is processing deb files into it's own logic but that is currently very unreliable >.<
• 1379[14:23:25] <annadane> i've seen pinning a bit too enthusiastically recommended on the internet :P
• 1380[14:23:33] <annadane> "oh you can just do this!" noooooooo
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• 1398[14:49:37] <ws2k3> im having a strange issue with my debian server. replaced-url
• 1399[14:51:18] <abrotman> I don't understand how a "recovery boot" answers the question of a potential network issue
• 1400[14:52:42] <ws2k3> abrotman well. this kinda tells me its now a hardware issue
• 1401[14:53:18] <ws2k3> abrotman that it works fine when i boot there rescue version of debian. means its a software/configuration issue not a hardware issue
• 1402[14:56:32] <bswinnerton> Do cloud-init network configurations (replaced-url
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• 1415[15:10:49] <oiaohm> ws2k3: intermittent bugs are the worst. I have had switched behave themselves because server traffic has dropped or traffic pattern has changed.
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• 1418[15:11:27] <ws2k3> how can i find the location of the currently running kernel image?
• 1419[15:13:08] <oiaohm> ws2k3: I would say you call that is not a hardware issue as possible not correct. Todo that you would need to be basically running the same network load.
• 1420[15:13:28] <oiaohm> Or switch defects can magically hide themselves.
• 1421[15:13:31] <ws2k3> oiaohm we did test it with the same network load
• 1422[15:13:52] <ws2k3> oiaohm works fine in there rescue kernel. fails when booted normaly in under 15 minutes
• 1423[15:15:36] <oiaohm> 15 min fault I would say to allow for sod law at least 3 hours to be sure if you have got past a hardware fault or just being lucky not to be lining up with someone else load going though a switch.
• 1424[15:16:04] <oiaohm> As I say I hate these faults.
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• 1426[15:16:21] <oiaohm> Because there are so many ways they can give you false path.
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• 1428[15:19:13] <oiaohm> ws2k3: I guess you have doubled check network connection speed that both recovery and normally are doing 1000
• 1429[15:19:30] <oiaohm> Because I have had that before making me think I had got past the problem.
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• 1438[15:36:02] <abrotman> ws2k3: is it a hardware server? or a VPS?
• 1439[15:36:06] <abrotman> ws2k3: uname -r
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• 1466[15:57:33] <kreyren> This system is almost turning sane again! replaced-url
• 1467[15:58:25] <annadane> !bedrock
• 1468[15:58:29] <annadane> !bedrock linux
• 1469[15:58:36] <kreyren> annadane, kreyrock!
• 1470[15:58:43] <kreyren> bedrock is months behind meh
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• 1472[15:59:03] <annadane> so not only is it a kitchen sink- mixed system but it's not even debian to start with
• 1473[15:59:17] <kreyren> annadane, it's not debiand to start with
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• 1475[16:00:45] <ratrace> kreyren: funny, you didn't give it "chymera" hostname
• 1476[16:01:06] <kreyren> ratrace, chimaera is in use!
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• 1478[16:01:13] <kreyren> that's devuan's testing :p
• 1479[16:01:36] <ratrace> crippledbydesign is more adequate hostname for devuan :)
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• 1481[16:02:55] <kreyren> ratrace, said the malware filled debian! :p replaced-url
• 1482[16:03:02] <kreyren> it wants a ransom from me :c
• 1483[16:03:03] <abrotman> kreyren: please stop asking here, this channel is for Debian support. You're not using Debian
• 1484[16:03:12] <kreyren> abrotman, i am using debian and beyond!
• 1485[16:03:17] <abrotman> no
• 1486[16:03:25] <kreyren> prove it!
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• 1490[16:03:52] <abrotman> kreyren: this channel is for Debian support, you've stated many times you're not using Debian. Have a good day
• 1491[16:03:52] <ratrace> SMH
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• 1500[16:08:51] <ws2k3> how can i find the image of the kernel im currently booted into
• 1501[16:09:04] <abrotman> ws2k3: `uname -a`
• 1502[16:09:16] <ws2k3> abrotman that the name. i would like to find the file location
• 1503[16:09:23] <abrotman> then look in /boot/
• 1504[16:09:27] <nkuttler> *the* file?
• 1505[16:09:40] <nkuttler> something like /boot/vmlinuz-`uname -r`
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• 1507[16:10:12] <ws2k3> i see a vmlinuz-5.4.36 in /boot would that be it?
• 1508[16:10:12] <abrotman> that's still only the kernel, not the modules
• 1509[16:10:18] <abrotman> ws2k3: what is uname -r ?
• 1510[16:10:20] <abrotman> or -a
• 1511[16:10:34] <abrotman> how the heck should we know which kernel you're using on a random server no one else has access to
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• 1514[16:12:19] <quadrathoch2> on the other hand, why are we talking about a kernel which is not in debian oO
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• 1516[16:13:34] <abrotman> I asked if it was a hardware or VPS .. didn't get a response
• 1517[16:14:11] <ws2k3> abrotman hardware not a vps. sorry did not see ur question
• 1518[16:14:24] <abrotman> ws2k3: and what is "uname -a"?
• 1519[16:14:34] <ws2k3> Linux rescue 5.4.36 #1 SMP Thu Apr 30 04:38:28 UTC 2020 x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1520[16:15:23] <quadrathoch2> so is this the rescue system ws2k3?
• 1521[16:15:34] <ws2k3> abrotman currently im booted into my ISP rescue mode thing.(its debian 10)
• 1522[16:15:38] <ws2k3> quadrathoch2 yes
• 1523[16:15:39] <abrotman> is it in rescue mode? where did you get that kernel? what is `dpkg -l | grep linux-image` ?
• 1524[16:15:52] <abrotman> ws2k3: you sohuld probably boot back into Debian before you try to troubleshoot
• 1525[16:15:56] <ws2k3> what i would like to do is move this kernel to my disk. so i can boot it from my own disk
• 1526[16:16:07] <abrotman> why?
• 1527[16:16:09] <BCMM> ws2k3: what's "ISP rescue mode thing"?
• 1528[16:16:18] <abrotman> what makes that kernel better?
• 1529[16:16:21] <quadrathoch2> maybe the hoster?
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• 1531[16:16:32] <ws2k3> abrotman cause in stock debian10 im having network issues. in the rescue systems i do not have the network issues
• 1532[16:16:41] <ws2k3> and i would like to verify if it could be the kernel
• 1533[16:17:20] <quadrathoch2> ws2k3 wouldn't it just be better to test out the backports kernel then?
• 1534[16:17:27] <ws2k3> quadrathoch2 already did. same issue
• 1535[16:17:56] <quadrathoch2> was it you with the hetzner machine? ws2k3
• 1536[16:18:02] <ws2k3> quadrathoch2 yes
• 1537[16:18:05] <quadrathoch2> ahh kk
• 1538[16:18:23] <BCMM> ws2k3: what sort of rescue system are you running at the moment?
• 1539[16:18:31] <abrotman> ws2k3: Are you sure it's the kernel? not sometihng like Network Manager?
• 1540[16:18:56] <BCMM> if you just manually copy the kernel image to your /boot/, it's not likely to work - you need to install the kernel modules, for a start. it's really best to avoid doing this manually; it will make a mess
• 1541[16:18:57] <ws2k3> BCMM its debian 10. further i dont exacly know
• 1542[16:19:13] <ws2k3> BCMM then what is a good approach to debug this issue
• 1543[16:19:34] <BCMM> ws2k3: is this a server you actually have, or is this in some hosting provider somewhere?
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• 1545[16:19:44] <ws2k3> in debian 10 im having network issues. if i get the backports kernel. same issue. when i use the same workload in the rescue system then it works fine
• 1546[16:19:47] <ws2k3> BCMM hosted
• 1547[16:19:56] <BCMM> ws2k3: so is this, like, a rescue system that you get by pressing the "rescue system" button in some web interface somewhere?
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• 1549[16:20:09] <ws2k3> BCMM yes
• 1550[16:20:19] <ws2k3> when i enable rescue mode i reboot i get the rescue system
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• 1552[16:20:54] <ws2k3> replaced-url
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• 1554[16:21:41] <ws2k3> happens under 15 mins. did not happens in the rescue system for 24 h
• 1555[16:22:01] <abrotman> that's after 23 seconds .. what about later?
• 1556[16:22:09] <abrotman> oh, ignore me :)
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• 1558[16:22:22] <abrotman> tehre's nothing else in the logs around the same time?
• 1559[16:22:36] <BCMM> ws2k3: what are the respective kernel versions in rescue mode and normal mode?
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• 1561[16:22:57] <ws2k3> BCMM normale mode is just debian 10 i think its kernel 4.19?
• 1562[16:23:09] <ws2k3> BCMM i tryed out installing backports kernel then i got 5.5.something
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• 1564[16:23:22] <ws2k3> rescue mode has Linux rescue 5.4.36 #1 SMP Thu Apr 30 04:38:28 UTC 2020 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1566[16:24:54] <BCMM> ws2k3: so there's kind of two things going on there: the ethernet link going up and down, and your game server crashing. are you saying that *neither* of those problems occur under teh rescue system?
• 1567[16:25:00] <abrotman> does your NIC require firmware? tried updating the firmware?
• 1568[16:25:42] <quadrathoch2> BCMM well i assume that the gmae server is not running in the rescue system
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• 1571[16:26:51] <BCMM> quadrathoch2: well, taht's what i want to know
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• 1574[16:27:11] <BCMM> i mean if the network link isn't actually getting any load during the tests with the rescue system, then that might be why it isn't failing
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• 1576[16:27:57] <BCMM> "igb: eth0 NIC Link is Down" kind of looks like the hosting provider's problem tbh
• 1577[16:28:24] <quadrathoch2> i somehow remember him saying they tested some kind of load on the rescue system
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• 1579[16:28:40] <quadrathoch2> comparable load
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• 1581[16:31:31] <ws2k3> BCMM yes true nether of those are happening onder the rescue system
• 1582[16:31:37] <BCMM> ws2k3: anyway, to answer your original question "how can i find the image of the kernel im currently booted into", you basically can't
• 1583[16:31:50] <ws2k3> quadrathoch2 to make sure the network load is identical. yes i ran gameservers.
• 1584[16:31:54] <BCMM> i mean, there's ways to do it if you're using a kernel isntalled through debian
• 1585[16:31:56] <abrotman> is the rescue image even a debian-based image?
• 1586[16:32:11] <ws2k3> abrotman yes its debian 10
• 1587[16:32:12] <BCMM> ws2k3: but *in general* the kernel you're running doesn't even have to present as a file on your computer
• 1588[16:32:15] <BCMM> it's just in memory
• 1589[16:32:22] <abrotman> no, that kernel doesn't exist in Debian 10
• 1590[16:32:27] <abrotman> judd: kernels
• 1591[16:32:28] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.7.0-rc5-686 (5.7~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.6.0-2-686-pae (5.6.14-2); bullseye: 5.6.0-2-686-pae (5.6.14-1); buster-backports: 5.5.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (5.5.17-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-9-686 (4.19.118-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.8-686 (4.19.98-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports:
• 1592[16:32:29] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
• 1593[16:32:46] <ws2k3> abrotman lsb_release -a shows me Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
• 1594[16:32:53] <abrotman> okay, it's lying :)
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• 1596[16:33:03] <abrotman> and you're sure it's hardware, not VPS?
• 1597[16:33:05] <BCMM> could have been loaded over the network, could have been loaded from removable storage which has now been removed, could have been just magically loaded in to memory by some special-purpose peripheral (common enough on ARM and on virtualised x86)
• 1598[16:33:16] <ws2k3> abrotman yes im sure
• 1599[16:33:36] <ws2k3> abrotman dmidecode --type baseboard Manufacturer: ASRockRack
• 1600[16:33:36] <ws2k3> Product Name: B450D4U-V1L
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• 1604[16:34:47] <ws2k3> abrotman i think its buster-backports kernel
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• 1607[16:34:59] <BCMM> ws2k3: so what do you know about this rescue system? do you know what distro it is based on? does it have lsb_release? does it have /etc/os-release?
• 1608[16:35:17] <ws2k3> BCMM its debian 10
• 1609[16:35:24] <ws2k3> yes lsb_release -a shows me debian 10
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• 1611[16:35:32] <BCMM> the rescue system is?
• 1612[16:35:36] <ws2k3> yes
• 1613[16:35:44] <ws2k3> cat /etc/os-release also shows debian 10
• 1614[16:35:47] <BCMM> is the rescue system actually a different filesystem image from your "real" system?
• 1615[16:35:53] <BCMM> or is it just booting with a different kernel?
• 1616[16:36:01] <abrotman> ws2k3: on the rescue system "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" .. what does it say?
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• 1618[16:36:06] <ws2k3> BCMM different filesystem as far as i can see
• 1619[16:36:27] <abrotman> that should tell you if the image is a) debian-ish b) using a BPO kernel
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• 1621[16:36:38] <abrotman> or help anyway
• 1622[16:36:50] <ws2k3> ii linux-image-4.19.101 4.19.101-1 amd64 Linux kernel, version 4.19.101
• 1623[16:36:51] <ws2k3> ii linux-image-5.4.36 5.4.36-1 amd64 Linux kernel, version 5.4.36
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• 1625[16:38:35] <abrotman> try dpkg-repack .. have fun!
• 1626[16:40:26] <ws2k3> abrotman i do see some files like this. rescue64-buster-v002.ext2 on an nfs server that is mounted. could that be of any help?
• 1627[16:42:20] <quadrathoch2> that just seems to be the disk image it loads to get to the rescue system
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• 1629[16:42:38] <ws2k3> quadrathoch2 exacly
• 1630[16:43:11] <BCMM> i'm guessing it's this hosting platform's custom rescue system
• 1631[16:43:23] <BCMM> and they just have a button to PXE load it when requested or something
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• 1633[16:43:28] <ws2k3> BCMM yes i think so
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• 1635[16:43:39] <ws2k3> abrotman quadrathoch2 but maby we are a bit diverting from the orginal problem replaced-url
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• 1639[16:45:26] <BCMM> ws2k3: that ethernet problem happens repeatably, right? this wasn't just a one-off issue with the host?
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• 1661[17:08:09] <ws2k3> BCMM yes repeatably it happens every few mins once i put load on the box
• 1662[17:08:30] <ws2k3> BCMM and with load i mean like 1500 kbps so im not doing insane amounts of traffic or anything
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• 1697[17:35:59] <ogo> hello, I'm trying to apt upgrade packages that r kept back
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• 1699[17:36:19] <ogo> I tried [apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade ] but they r still kept back
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• 1818[19:04:06] <kreyren[m]> What does stablebian need to work with USB devices o.O
• 1819[19:04:26] <nkuttler> kreyren[m]: which problem do you have?
• 1820[19:04:29] <kreyren[m]> And yes this is a stable sandbox not franken~
• 1821[19:05:00] <kreyren[m]> nkuttler it refuses to accept USB keyboard and mouse once I execute startx
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• 1823[19:05:29] <nkuttler> kreyren[m]: refuses?
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• 1825[19:05:58] <kreyren[m]> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics probably
• 1826[19:06:21] <kreyren[m]> nkuttler meaning they stop working
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• 1829[19:06:31] <nkuttler> kreyren[m]: you're being very vague
• 1830[19:07:24] <n4dir> as far i can tell both mouse and keyboard should work out of box.
• 1831[19:07:54] <nkuttler> well, it's a "sandbox", that sounds virtualized, so physical usb ports may not be accessible
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• 1833[19:08:25] <kreyren[m]> n4dir its built from source
• 1834[19:08:36] <nkuttler> what is "it"?
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• 1836[19:08:42] <n4dir> same question
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• 1838[19:09:10] <kreyren[m]> nkuttler its a sandbox using namespace so that shoudnt je a concern
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• 1840[19:09:20] <n4dir> i'd even assume that mouse and keyboard are handled by the kernel.
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• 1842[19:09:42] <kreyren[m]> Same issue with the package installed
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• 1844[19:09:45] <nkuttler> kreyren[m]: so you're using some sort of container?
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• 1847[19:10:32] <kreyren[m]> nkuttler custom OS that is sandboxing kernels and userlands to use used from the same terminal
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• 1849[19:11:21] <kreyren[m]> Seems to somehow switch drivers or something the mouse and keyboard act driverless
• 1850[19:11:49] <bracham> debuggerboy, i remembered sometime in the meantime that i had deleted the "faulty" user, renamed that user's home folder, created a new user by the same name, and the problem still existed.
• 1851[19:11:51] <kreyren[m]> Meaning keyboard has num lock in the previous position and NumLock key doesnt work but system is not halted
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• 1853[19:12:26] <kreyren[m]> I just lose all input on startx
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• 1856[19:13:27] <kreyren[m]> Its bare minimum debian so I assume its missing some package?
• 1857[19:13:59] <n4dir> i sure did quite some minimal installations and never had that problem.
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• 1859[19:14:52] <kreyren[m]> Mine is basically just FSH and toolchain for apt
• 1860[19:15:11] <kreyren[m]> Nothing more so everything else was installed after o.O
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• 1865[19:17:56] <n4dir> xorg metapackage?
• 1866[19:18:16] <kreyren[m]> xserver-xorg package
• 1867[19:18:42] <kreyren[m]> xserver-xorg-input-all installed
• 1868[19:19:50] <n4dir> i guess i'd just try xorg, but i still doubt that is the problem
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• 1871[19:20:35] <kreyren[m]> Trying
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• 1873[19:21:58] <n4dir> not really in sandboxing (well, not at all). I'd always also try a different window manager and a different user.
• 1874[19:22:10] <kreyren[m]> Noted
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• 1880[19:23:32] <jmcnaught> Maybe it has something to do with running Bedrock Linux and a hybrid of Debian releases and derivatives? kreyren[m] why do you keep coming back here? It's quite selfish to continue to take up support resources when you've been told multiple times your OS is not supported here.
• 1881[19:24:34] <kreyren[m]> jmcnaught its not bedrock Linux and its running stable debian without changes to it that I know of~
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• 1886[19:25:51] <kreyren[m]> Installing xorg didnt help
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• 1889[19:26:27] <n4dir> ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log might contain info
• 1890[19:27:03] <kreyren[m]> Checking
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• 1895[19:29:26] <kreyren[m]> ix.Iowa/2pbV
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• 1898[19:29:43] <kreyren[m]> ix.io/2pbV
• 1899[19:30:03] <kreyren[m]> Xorg.0.log doesn't exist
• 1900[19:32:06] * kreyren[m] is compiling new sandbox then o.o
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• 1907[19:41:41] <EvanCarroll> I wish the chrome in testing had the ozone patches.
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• 1931[20:04:26] <ws2k3> BCMM abrotman i rebooted into an RT kernel. and now the issue is gone.........
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• 1934[20:04:56] <rander2> hello
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• 1936[20:06:13] <rander2> hello
• 1937[20:06:59] <sney> hi
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• 1944[20:08:41] <rander2> may I configure apache2 to list on 2 different port ?
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• 1947[20:09:11] <sney> yes, replaced-url
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• 1961[20:25:15] <jmcnaught> rander2: yes. First look at /etc/apache2/ports.conf, and then edit your virtual host(s) under /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and modify the <VirtualHost *:80 *:8080> directive so it has multiple ports.
• 1962[20:25:33] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 1964[20:26:40] <rander2> there is another setting in /etc/tor/torrc that define port forwarding and other stuff
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• 1975[20:37:02] <rander2> jmcnaught, ok, and to associate the normal web to a port and onion to another ?
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• 1978[20:39:36] <rander2> now I have apache that listen on two port, and it serve the same sites. How may I split the normal web on a port, and onion the other ?
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• 1980[20:40:35] <jmcnaught> I don't understand.
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• 1982[20:41:52] <jmcnaught> Once you have apache listening on two ports you first double check it still works on the public one (is site still up?) then you probably just need to configure tor to access the second port that apache is listening on.
• 1983[20:41:57] <jmcnaught> I don't know anything about the tor part.
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• 1987[20:43:32] <rander2> jmcnaught, yes the server is active in the same mode on togheder two ports.
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• 1991[20:45:59] <jmcnaught> rander2: you should probably also put the hidden service's .onion as a ServerAlias inside the VirtualHost.
• 1992[20:46:10] <jmcnaught> rander2: are you following a guide or instructions?
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• 1998[20:48:05] <rander2> ok
• 1999[20:48:35] <rander2> no, I'm looking for guide or istruction
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• 2003[20:49:33] <jmcnaught> rander2: replaced-url
• 2004[20:49:51] <jmcnaught> rander2: these people usually have good advice too: replaced-url
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• 2006[20:50:09] <kreyren> Fixed the issue with the USB devices being ignored after startx -> Seems that the sandbox in question got corrupted by me not being careful with rm~
• 2007[20:50:54] <jmcnaught> Sure it's not a litter box?
• 2008[20:51:12] <kreyren> jmcnaught, doesn't taste like litter box to me~
• 2009[20:51:52] <plt> I already updated the sources.list and I am getting this errors after typing apt-get update replaced-url
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• 2011[20:52:34] <plt> I am currently using Debian 10
• 2012[20:52:39] <jmcnaught> plt: did something happen to /usr/bin/apt-key ?
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• 2014[20:52:57] <plt> I am not sure. This is a new install of debian 10
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• 2017[20:53:39] <plt> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27730 May 12 09:57 /usr/bin/apt-key
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• 2021[20:54:26] <plt> E: gnupg, gnupg2 and gnupg1 do not seem to be installed, but one of them is required for this operation
• 2022[20:54:26] <plt> falcon512:/usr#
• 2023[20:54:41] <uplime> /b 16
• 2024[20:54:44] <uplime> whoops
• 2025[20:55:04] <jmcnaught> plt: is gpgv installed?
• 2026[20:55:05] <plt> What does this mean E: gnupg, gnupg2 and gnupg1 do not seem to be installed
• 2027[20:55:12] <plt> Let me check
• 2028[20:55:36] <plt> apt-get install gpgv
• 2029[20:55:36] <plt> Reading package lists... Done
• 2030[20:55:36] <plt> Building dependency tree
• 2031[20:55:36] <plt> Reading state information... Done
• 2032[20:55:36] <plt> gpgv is already the newest version (2.2.12-1+deb10u1).
• 2033[20:55:36] <plt> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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• 2036[20:55:43] <plt> Shit
• 2037[20:55:53] <plt> apt-get install gpgv
• 2038[20:55:53] <plt> Reading package lists... Done
• 2039[20:55:53] <plt> Building dependency tree
• 2040[20:55:58] <tomreyn> !paste
• 2041[20:55:59] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 2042[20:56:04] <plt> Reading state information... Done
• 2043[20:56:05] <plt> gpgv is already the newest version (2.2.12-1+deb10u1)
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• 2045[20:56:14] <plt> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
• 2046[20:56:25] <plt> Sorry
• 2047[20:56:49] <tomreyn> see also /topic
• 2048[20:56:52] <BCMM> maybe the bot needs a more descriptive kick message than (flood)...
• 2049[20:57:43] <tomreyn> plt: 'E' is short for 'Error'. "E: gnupg, gnupg2 and gnupg1 do not seem to be installed" suggests that you removed essential packages.
• 2050[20:57:47] <plt> It's already installed
• 2051[20:58:10] <plt> Which essential packages should I remove?
• 2052[20:58:17] <jmcnaught> none
• 2053[20:58:20] <tomreyn> none, ever
• 2054[20:58:22] <kreyren> Is there a sane way to get openrc on stablebian?
• 2055[20:58:30] <kreyren> i can't handle the systemd it's literally not usable
• 2056[20:58:45] <plt> How can I fix the issue please?
• 2057[20:59:23] <jmcnaught> plt: have you tried rebooting? I don't know why it would work, but other people who have had that error, it fixed it for them. Otherwise, is this a normal computer, or a chroot, container, or VPS of some sort?
• 2058[20:59:49] <oerheks> plt is this a docker thingy?
• 2059[20:59:51] <plt> Yes I did
• 2060[21:00:15] <plt> What do you mean by plt is this a docker thingy?
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• 2062[21:01:30] <BCMM> plt: is this a normal debian system made with the Debian installer, or is this some sort of pre-made container?
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• 2065[21:02:37] <plt> I do not understand what your telling me.
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• 2067[21:03:04] <annadane> the last time i tried the non-free image it didn't have gpg, so... *shrug*
• 2068[21:03:05] <BCMM> plt: how did you install debian?
• 2069[21:03:20] <plt> The os was loaded using the imaging system at the st.louis data center.
• 2070[21:03:36] <plt> They use standard images.
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• 2072[21:04:33] <plt> I loged in to my web control panel selected to re-load the os, choose to install debian 10 and the image was installed on the dedicated server.
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• 2074[21:04:51] <jmcnaught> Sounds like you need to contact your service provider about their broken Debian images.
• 2075[21:05:29] <jmcnaught> What does "uname -a" say?
• 2076[21:05:50] <plt> I will tell them since they broke it then they will have to fix it
• 2077[21:06:20] <BCMM> plt: what was the sources.list like before you edited it? does your hosting provider expect you to use their own on-site Debian mirror, by any chance?
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• 2079[21:07:28] <plt> They are you using #deb replaced-url
• 2080[21:07:28] <plt> #deb-src replaced-url
• 2081[21:07:38] <plt> I am not sure if that is correct or not
• 2082[21:08:11] <BCMM> plt: by the way, what do you mean by "they use standard images"?
• 2083[21:08:29] <plt> THey should be.
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• 2088[21:10:34] <plt> I think I am going to try debian 9
• 2089[21:11:25] <plt> What do you think about that ideal?
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• 2092[21:12:22] <quadrathoch2> plt I would rather try to load my own OS honestly
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• 2094[21:12:52] <quadrathoch2> i mean even their own site doesn't work in my place xD
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• 2100[21:14:18] <plt> All the different version of linux I like debian the best.
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• 2102[21:14:45] <quadrathoch2> plt are you able to load your own ISO?
• 2103[21:14:53] <plt> I think the updates they are removing to many tools that need to remain in the packages
• 2104[21:15:01] <plt> No
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• 2108[21:15:38] <quadrathoch2> sounds like a great hoster :/
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• 2110[21:16:14] <plt> Version 9 is currently being installed
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• 2113[21:17:06] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I am running xwindows, and I only get a single console. Is there a standard hot key or something, to start a console? replaced-url
• 2114[21:17:37] <plt> My other server at the data center is ICore 7, 8 Core, 64 gb of ram, 2 x 4 tb harddrives and up to 1 GB internet connection.
• 2115[21:17:59] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I should probably stop running this as root :-( silly me. I was in a hurry when I set this thing up years ago, and still have this piece of technical debt.
• 2116[21:18:27] <plt> She is sweet.
• 2117[21:18:52] <plt> That server I use for web hosting.
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• 2119[21:20:30] <plt> Free re-load on the os 24/7
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• 2122[21:21:29] <plt> Random the nice thing is cpanel makes all the modifications to apache.
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• 2127[21:22:59] <BCMM> plt: i mean, what do you think a "standard image" is? where do they come from? debian is officially distributed in the form of an installer, not pre-made images.
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• 2129[21:24:08] <plt> I think they are using the standard images but they make small modificiations because they offer secondary harddrives so its auto mounted when the os is installed.
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• 2132[21:25:05] <BCMM> plt: what standard images?
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• 2134[21:25:33] <plt> Use the official release of debian.
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• 2136[21:25:50] <BCMM> plt: debian is not released as images. debian has an installer.
• 2137[21:26:02] <jmcnaught> plt: those would be custom images. They may have started with an official installer, but they made their own custom images that they have modified in ways unknown to us.
• 2138[21:26:32] <plt> I do not think they make to many modifications to the image file.
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• 2140[21:26:35] <BCMM> plt: i think, as jmcnaught suggested, that the hosting provider prepared their own images, and made some mistakes
• 2141[21:26:56] <BCMM> plt: again, modifications to *what* image file? what sources of images do you think they started with?
• 2142[21:26:59] <plt> I may end of talking to the provider.
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• 2144[21:27:43] <plt> MOst of their installers work fine.
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• 2147[21:30:21] <luckylinux> Hi. Is there an obvious reason for which apt install -t buster-backports packagename still pulls the package from the normal repository? I am trying to install the backport version of ZFS but it stubbornly refuses to do so. apt policy zfsutils-linux lists the backported version however
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• 2152[21:35:48] <luckylinux> I even pinned the packages but still being ignored
• 2153[21:35:53] <luckylinux> Very weird
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• 2156[21:36:37] <ws2k3> BCMM so we installed an RT kernel. and the issue is gone now.
• 2157[21:36:52] <luckylinux> This seems to work however: apt install zfsutils-linux/buster-backports
• 2158[21:37:00] <luckylinux> Did the -t option get deprecated ?
• 2159[21:37:02] <ws2k3> but the machine load is alot higher now so i cannot have the same workload. so thats an issue
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• 2161[21:38:31] <annadane> it... shouldn't have been?
• 2162[21:38:36] <annadane> -t should work
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• 2166[21:40:05] <luckylinux> annadane, that's also what I see all over the internet
• 2167[21:40:46] <luckylinux> but for some reason apt policy zfsutils-linux show the 0.8.4 version, apt install -t buster-backports zfsutils-linux only cares about the buster 0.7.2 version, while apt install zfsutils-linux/buster-backports install the 0.8.4 version
• 2168[21:41:18] <jelly> ,v zfsutils-linux
• 2169[21:41:19] <judd> Package: zfsutils-linux on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u2; stretch-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.13-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports/contrib: 0.8.4-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 0.8.4-1; sid/contrib: 0.8.4-1
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• 2171[21:41:57] <luckylinux> 0.7.12 I meant, sorry
• 2172[21:42:37] <jelly> luckylinux, pastebin the output: of apt-cache -t buster-backports policy zfsutils-linux
• 2173[21:43:06] <sney> apt has developed some weird idiosyncracies around mixing branches (maybe because this isn't really a supported/intended configuration): ssb isn't as smooth as it used to be, backports sometimes do things like this, the *order* of mirror entries in sources.list seems to effect apt's behavior sometimes too
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• 2176[21:43:46] <jelly> the "apt" command itself is relatively new and might not be as bugless
• 2177[21:43:57] <luckylinux> jelly, replaced-url
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• 2180[21:44:09] <luckylinux> *** 0.8.4-1~bpo10+1 990
• 2181[21:44:25] <jelly> replaced-url
• 2182[21:44:28] <jelly> oops
• 2183[21:44:39] <luckylinux> I tried to force the polling as per the openzfs tutorial but even that didn't work
• 2184[21:44:42] <jelly> 0.7.12-2+deb10u2 1001
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• 2186[21:44:51] <jelly> you have some pinning in place. Get rid of it.
• 2187[21:45:32] <luckylinux> Ah yeah I guess I once tried to pull in everything from testing
• 2188[21:46:44] <jelly> if things are still weird after clearing up all the preferences,
• 2189[21:46:47] <jelly> !bat
• 2190[21:46:47] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2193[21:47:23] <luckylinux> jelly, it seems to be working fine now, thanks
• 2194[21:47:49] <luckylinux> so the problem was that stable had a higher pinning than backports ?
• 2195[21:48:04] <luckylinux> (1001 vs 990)
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• 2199[21:49:16] <jelly> man apt_preferences
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• 2201[21:50:03] <jelly> read the part about "How APT Interprets Priorities" carefully
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• 2204[21:50:33] <jelly> and use them sparingly, if you absolutely have to
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• 2208[21:52:15] <main1> hello?
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• 2210[21:52:25] <sney> hi
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• 2215[21:53:31] <luckylinux> jelly, OK, thanks
• 2216[21:53:33] <plt> This is interesting when you type chmod 750 bin and your running apt-get update its not working.
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• 2218[21:53:40] <plt> I am running it as root
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• 2222[21:53:51] <main1> can anyone see this?
• 2223[21:54:03] <plt> I can
• 2224[21:54:04] <sney> main1: yes, do you have a debian question?
• 2225[21:54:42] <main1> no thank you, just testig something
• 2226[21:54:44] <plt> If your running apt-get update or upgrade as root and the bin directory is set to chmod 750 should it work?
• 2227[21:55:16] <sney> !test
• 2228[21:55:16] <dpkg> Test failed.
• 2229[21:55:17] <wonderer> Welcome to my room!
• 2230[21:55:24] <main1> i am connected to irc using an old minitel terminal and a linux pc ;)
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• 2233[21:56:38] <calux[m]> I wouldn't be surprised if today you can connect from your toaster :)
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• 2238[21:57:15] <jelly> !test
• 2239[21:57:15] <dpkg> Test failed.
• 2240[21:57:16] <wonderer> Welcome to my room!
• 2241[21:58:02] <plt> Should it work?
• 2242[21:58:09] <jelly> wonderer, disable answering lines that start with ! in here, it is used by our bots. I'll quiet your client for a bit
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• 2244[21:58:41] <sney> plt: is there a reason for that question or are you just playing?
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• 2247[21:59:35] <plt> I am trying to locked the bin directory
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• 2249[21:59:50] <jelly> lock in what way?
• 2250[22:00:19] <jelly> plt, are you talking about "/bin" or something else?
• 2251[22:00:20] <plt> Its a shell account server and the users will not be able to use all the commands on the server.
• 2252[22:00:29] <plt> The /bin directory
• 2253[22:00:32] <plt> root = god
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• 2259[22:02:05] <jelly> plt, there are other ways to break your system, but I suppose that is one.
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• 2262[22:02:58] <plt> For example the users do not need to access mount
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• 2265[22:03:39] <jelly> plt, a user could copy the binary from somewhere else and run it.
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• 2271[22:07:45] <jelly> plt, you could remove o=x permissions from binaries you deem problematic
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• 2273[22:08:06] <jelly> presumably setuid/setgid ones, there are not that many
• 2274[22:08:19] <jelly> find /bin -perm /6000 -ls
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• 2278[22:09:19] <jelly> plt, use dpkg-statoverride to make the packaging system aware of the permission tweaks
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• 2289[22:21:38] <tomreyn> i'm now convinced the debian installer images at plt's host are not the problem.
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• 2293[22:25:53] <plt> It would be easer by default to put all the admins in a protected directory
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• 2298[22:29:03] <plt> -rwxr-x--- 1 root root 238400 Jun 12 2019 grub-glue-efi
• 2299[22:29:10] <plt> Admin command not a user
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• 2302[22:31:27] <nt1036> plt: What binaries exactly do you want to disable?
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• 2305[22:32:00] <plt> all the /usr/bin/apt*
• 2306[22:32:18] <plt> 750
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• 2309[22:34:03] <nt1036> plt: gotcha
• 2310[22:34:07] <sney> most system administration commands don't let normal users do anything useful (e.g. replaced-url
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• 2312[22:34:29] <sney> but, I guess playing around with it will be a good crash course in how to break/unbreak permissions
• 2313[22:35:23] <plt> The users do not really need access to it if there a security issues within the os. LIke this when you have classified clearance you only get what you need to know.
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• 2318[22:36:48] <sney> per-user chroot jails probably accomplish that better without breaking normal administration, too
• 2319[22:37:32] <plt> Sounds like fun. Let the users login and they logout. Heee
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• 2321[22:37:58] <plt> Message time out and do not forget to slam the door on your ass on the way oout!
• 2322[22:38:03] <plt> Message time out and do not forget to slam the door on your ass on the way oot!
• 2323[22:39:08] <plt> J/k
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• 2326[22:39:55] <plt> This artical saids only about ftp nothing about ssh
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• 2328[22:39:57] <plt> sequence and the "emergency shell" on Red Hat/CentOS/Fedora systems, and in Secure FTP (SFTP).
• 2329[22:40:32] <plt> I see it
• 2330[22:41:10] <sney> set it up right, and all the user gets is bash builtins and anything else you specifically determine they can have
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• 2338[22:49:13] <RhineDevil> How can I tell apt/dpkg to not start daemons during an installation?
• 2339[22:49:30] <RhineDevil> (I want to start it later when I'll finish configuring it)
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• 2342[22:51:35] <jmcnaught> RhineDevil: you can mask the service before installing its package.
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• 2344[22:51:55] <RhineDevil> jmcnaught, what do you mean by this
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• 2347[22:53:07] <jmcnaught> RhineDevil: in systemd if a service unit is a symlink to /dev/null than systemd considers it "masked" and will not try to start it. It means knowing the service name beforehand, but you can "systemctl mask foo.service ; apt install foo"
• 2348[22:53:15] <plt> Would this be correct replaced-url
• 2349[22:53:27] <jmcnaught> ^than^then
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• 2351[22:53:42] <sney> !tias
• 2352[22:53:42] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 2353[22:53:44] <RhineDevil> jmcnaught, I'm not using systemd
• 2354[22:54:13] <jmcnaught> RhineDevil: should probably mention that considering most people are.
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• 2356[22:54:26] <RhineDevil> my bad
• 2357[22:54:33] <plt> I changed this Match Group users
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• 2360[22:55:09] <plt> That does not work
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• 2363[22:58:16] <plt> The user phil has been added to the group users
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• 2365[22:59:33] <plt> Is this correct ForceCommand internal-users?
• 2366[22:59:57] <tga> what's the typical way to deal with user passwords in sudo when using ssh keys? is no password sudo common?
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• 2370[23:04:16] <rudi_s> tga: Don't use sudo
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• 2376[23:07:59] <plt> When I change the user group from phil:phil to phil:users can I no longer login to the ssh server.
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• 2378[23:15:16] <BCMM> ws2k3: that's kind of weird (the RT kernel thing). i'm still sort of inclined to think it must be some odd thing with kernel version...
• 2379[23:15:40] <plt> This is not working replaced-url
• 2380[23:19:17] <plt> Does anyone have any recommendations please?
• 2381[23:19:30] <jmcnaught> plt: did you look at "journalctl -u ssh" on the server? Or add -v to the client command?
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• 2385[23:21:01] <plt> What is the hournatctl
• 2386[23:21:11] <plt> What is the journatctl
• 2387[23:21:44] <jmcnaught> plt: it's the tool used to view the system journal. It has a man page, but -u says only show log messages about the ssh service unit.
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• 2389[23:22:31] <plt> Failed password but I am typing in the correct username and password
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• 2392[23:23:27] <plt> After I removed the jail options in sshd_config it works fine.
• 2393[23:23:56] <plt> Failed password for root from 49.88.112.76 port 49072 ssh2
• 2394[23:23:56] <plt> Jun 14 21:20:57 falcon512 sshd[6591]: Received disconnect from 49.88.112.76 port 49072:11: [preauth]
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• 2413[23:37:49] <plt> Question is this correct format replaced-url
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