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• 28[00:14:02] <Skaag> teraflops: so upgrade-grub to apply, not update-grub, yes?
• 29[00:14:39] <Skaag> we tried this, we still only see ttyS0 to ttyS3. ttyS4 and ttyS5 are missing.
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• 33[00:15:47] <teraflops> there's no upgrade-grub command
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• 38[00:16:55] <Iridos> that might make it more difficult ^^
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• 40[00:17:24] <Skaag> so if I change /boot/grub/grub.cfg what's the correct procedure to apply those changes?
• 41[00:17:43] <teraflops> nothing
• 42[00:18:09] <Skaag> my grub.cfg still contains the uart line: linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-amd64 root=UUID=7498023d-7a2a-4428-85ec-433b0b945b21 ro quiet usbhid.quirks=0xeef:0x1:0x40 8250.n_uarts=6
• 43[00:18:38] <teraflops> what I wrote above I think it's pretty clear
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• 45[00:20:13] <Skaag> ok but running update-grub did not remove that parameter from my grub.cfg
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• 47[00:20:32] <Skaag> because we added it in /etc/default/grub
• 48[00:20:58] <teraflops> replaced-url
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• 56[00:25:40] <lounge-user50> Hello
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• 58[00:27:10] <Skaag> ok found the issue
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• 60[00:27:53] <mrr0butt> Skaag, dont change /boot/grub.cfg
• 61[00:28:03] <Skaag> it should be nr_uarts instead of n_uarts
• 62[00:28:08] <mrr0butt> edit /etc/default/grub.cfg
• 63[00:28:11] <Skaag> no, I changed /etc/default/grub
• 64[00:28:11] <mrr0butt> and do
• 65[00:28:16] <Skaag> it works now
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• 87[00:35:01] <TheWild> Tazmain: how is that? I can read files fine from the root without ntfs-3g, but I don't know how to make the mounted volume accessible to another user.
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• 117[00:49:07] <hanasaki> firefox esr in a new install of deb 9 plays netflix fine with drm. in an existing system that was upgraded from debian 8, netflix says "problem occured...." nothing useful in the output. also tried with a new profile from scratch. thoughts on debugging?
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• 119[00:50:33] <Ryokooo> Hola a tod@s
• 120[00:50:39] <Ryokooo> Alguien me podría decir para que sirve el proceso rsyslogd -n en Debian 9 y porqué aparece repetido con distintos PID, haciendo que Unhide vea esos procesos ocultos y nos de Warning en los test?
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• 124[00:52:06] <Ryokooo> Es en un sistema recién instalado, con todas las medidas previas de autenticación y que aun no ha sido conectado a internet.
• 125[00:52:17] <Ryokooo> Solo instalado y configurado con DVD,s oficiales Debian 9, MD5Dum, etc.
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• 160[01:08:53] <Ryokooo> Alguien tiene Debian 9 estable y puede mirar si el proceso "rsyslogd -n" le aparece repetido con distintos PID?
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• 167[01:10:25] <Tramp> !es
• 168[01:10:25] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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• 175[01:11:56] <Ryokooo> Thanks
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• 186[01:15:24] <tharkun> Aloha, how do I install the ssb module?
• 187[01:15:32] <tharkun> replaced-url
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• 201[01:22:41] <sielicki> Is there a name for the debian system installer software?
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• 208[01:25:54] <Tramp> sielicki: To my knowledge, it's always called "Debian installer"
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• 212[01:27:18] <sielicki> Gotcha. I know fedora calls theirs Anaconda, and there exists another called calamares that is used by some arch linux derivatives. I think suse works off their whole yast framework.
• 213[01:27:57] <wpppp> sielicki: suse dumps yast? :O
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• 215[01:28:32] <sielicki> dumps? What do you mean?
• 216[01:28:59] <wpppp> I mean, it stops supporting it?
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• 218[01:29:44] <sielicki> No, I think you misunderstand me, I didn't mean anything like that.
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• 220[01:29:57] <sielicki> The suse installer is heavily based on YAST, is what I meant.
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• 223[01:31:02] <wpppp> ah ok :)
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• 284[02:14:25] <LambdaComplex> Debian does tell you when you have new mail by default, right?
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• 297[02:23:22] <Saar> LambdaComplex: sort of, it depends on how you install it, if you choose to install an MTA the typical default configurations will notify you you have new mail when you log into the text console or open a terminal
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• 299[02:24:09] <Saar> it seems to do that even if you set up the MTA to only do local email
• 300[02:24:19] <LambdaComplex> What results in that new mail message?
• 301[02:24:33] <LambdaComplex> A bit of googling suggests pam-mail, but I'm not positive
• 302[02:24:40] <Saar> could be
• 303[02:24:52] <Saar> it'll check contents of /var/spool/mail/username
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• 305[02:26:35] <Saar> I haven't relied or used this type of functionality since mid 90s, because having new mail is pretty much the norm
• 306[02:26:58] <Saar> when was the time your inbox is empty
• 307[02:27:19] <Saar> and I'd rely on an email client so I check it myself
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• 309[02:28:52] <Saar> a typical imap daemon will move mail out of /var/spool/mail/username into its own mail files/folders whenever it is probed by the email client, so you may not get a new mail message even if there is new mail
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• 311[02:29:33] <Saar> good old unix stuff that may still have use cases but often is of no real need, it's nice it is there I guess
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• 318[02:33:44] <Tonkadoro> I have some jacked up xml documents that open on the windows computer at work, I can't figure out how to open them on my debian box at home.
• 319[02:34:01] <Tonkadoro> and I know dick about xml
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• 323[02:35:44] <th0r> Tonkadoro, won't libreoffice open them?
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• 326[02:36:33] <Tonkadoro> th0r, that's a good idea i haven't tried. what, the word processor?
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• 328[02:37:23] <th0r> Tonkadoro, if they are documents then yes, the word processor. I think it will handle office xml files....should identify them automatically for you.
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• 331[02:37:51] <Tonkadoro> th0r, i'm doing it now.
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• 334[02:39:33] <th0r> Tonkadoro, xml is a method of encoding document properties...bold print, underlining, etc. (a bit more complicated...but...) So the documents could be spreadsheets, presentations, whatever
• 335[02:39:53] <Tonkadoro> good to know.
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• 339[02:42:25] <sfetghjk> Anybody have a good thought for SOC H3 boards as to a minimal install? Ive tried deb(jessie) and dietpi(didnt work) but I just want something native to the armhf(sun8i) chip :/ I dont want to have to build the whole thing myself. Gunna have to if yall dont have a minimalistic version available
• 340[02:42:25] <Tonkadoro> They're pdf's! it's a collection of pdf files, page 1 2 3...
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• 342[02:43:29] <th0r> pdf's don't use xml :)
• 343[02:43:31] <Tonkadoro> wait, no it's not. It's where I download the same file a bunch of times.
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• 345[02:45:15] <Tonkadoro> I can't figure out how to open a remote file in libreoffice writer.
• 346[02:45:42] <Tonkadoro> nor how to download anything more significant that the url.
• 347[02:45:59] <th0r> Tonkadoro, remote how? on a network server?
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• 350[02:46:19] <Tonkadoro> th0r, yes.
• 351[02:46:53] <th0r> Tonkadoro, you map the network drive to a mount point. Then it appears to be part of the local file structure.
• 352[02:47:30] <Tonkadoro> maybe I overstated it, it's on the web.
• 353[02:48:19] <Tonkadoro> it says google drive or alfresco and shit.
• 354[02:48:55] <Tonkadoro> Wait, I can wget url.company.com
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• 356[02:49:10] <Tonkadoro> i think I can anyway, i'll try.
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• 359[02:51:27] <Tonkadoro> i have the document.xml in my home folder, but it doesn't show in the open file dialog.
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• 362[02:52:02] <th0r> Tonkadoro, do you have libreoffice set to show all file types?
• 363[02:52:12] <Tonkadoro> th0r, yes.
• 364[02:52:45] <th0r> you should be able to look into the xml file with a simple text editor. It won't look right, but you can read it.
• 365[02:54:03] <lucas-arg> any idea how to make debian 9 fonts look nicer on LCD laptop?
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• 367[02:54:23] <Tonkadoro> Haha, when I open it in libreoffice it's just the graphic login web page. username: password:
• 368[02:54:28] <Tonkadoro> fuck me.
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• 370[02:56:20] <glick> howdy
• 371[02:57:26] <Tonkadoro> th0r, I found it (was looking in the wrong directory)
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• 376[03:01:01] <glick> hi can anyone recommend a good shared hosting company?
• 377[03:01:40] <abrotman> wrong channel
• 378[03:01:43] <glick> hostgator and ipage have shady and rediculous verification methods. they want me to photograph and send them a photo of my photo ID and the physical credit card
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• 380[03:02:15] <abrotman> glick: please ask elsewhere, this isn't related to Debian
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• 392[03:13:29] <maxcell_> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169
• 393[03:13:29] <maxcell_> >>> Why is that message?
• 394[03:13:36] <abrotman> install the firmware
• 395[03:13:54] <maxcell_> how we install firmware in linux?
• 396[03:14:21] <Violinist> replaced-url
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• 399[03:16:00] <abrotman> maxcell_: do you have the non-free repos enabled?
• 400[03:16:07] <maxcell_> yes i have
• 401[03:16:24] <abrotman> maxcell_: apt-cache search realtek firmware
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• 403[03:16:54] <maxcell_> firmware-realtek/stable,stable 20161130-3 all
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• 405[03:17:02] <maxcell_> Binary firmware for Realtek wired/wifi/BT adapters
• 406[03:17:06] <maxcell_> thats it?
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• 408[03:18:00] <Tonkadoro> th0r, I wget the file, then open with LO writer and it give the login screen, asks for my login and password.
• 409[03:18:13] <maxcell_> i think its solved abrotman
• 410[03:18:17] <maxcell_> :D
• 411[03:18:22] <Tonkadoro> from the server I'm using.
• 412[03:18:59] <abrotman> maxcell_: okay
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• 414[03:19:10] <th0r> Tonkadoro, then you are downloading the wrong url
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• 419[03:22:03] <Tonkadoro> th0r, I don't know it's titled blahblah-fcap.xml and that's what I want to see, the Fault Code Action Plan, fcap.
• 420[03:22:50] <l0l64> hoh
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• 427[03:27:37] <l0l64> how do i make a bridge between linux and something else
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• 429[03:28:11] <l0l64> for wifi
• 430[03:28:54] <Tonkadoro> lol64, have you a wifi card?
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• 432[03:30:26] <l0l64> i ment ethernet
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• 438[03:34:25] <bsdboxer> hello
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• 443[03:37:32] <l0l64> how to make a bridge between linux and something with ethernet
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• 445[03:38:19] <abrotman> there's a bridge-utils package
• 446[03:38:27] <abrotman> it has documentation
• 447[03:39:04] <l0l64> im just lerning
• 448[03:39:16] <abrotman> right, learning includes reading documentation
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• 454[03:43:05] <bsdboxer> l0l64: what experience do you have with computers?
• 455[03:43:27] <abrotman> l0l64: which version of linux are you using?
• 456[03:43:28] <l0l64> not much
• 457[03:43:42] <l0l64> debian
• 458[03:44:13] <abrotman> are you sure you want a bridge?
• 459[03:44:27] <l0l64> yes
• 460[03:44:34] <abrotman> Do you know what a bridge does?
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• 465[03:46:40] <bsdboxer> l0l64: just tell use specifically what you are trying to do. Then we can tell you what you need. If you dont have much experience with computers then itll be best to listen and learn after we hear your need.
• 466[03:46:46] <bsdboxer> us*
• 467[03:47:10] <l0l64> im useing it as a modem
• 468[03:48:05] <abrotman> you don't need a bridge for that
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• 470[03:48:16] <bsdboxer> do you know what a modem is?
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• 473[03:48:41] <bsdboxer> just tell us what you want done like specifically. What is the situation
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• 475[03:49:01] <hanasaki> how do you get usb ethernet running with this chip ? RTL8723BU
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• 477[03:49:34] <you-all-suck> Hi
• 478[03:49:36] <you-all-suck> You all suck
• 479[03:49:38] <l0l64> well my modem is to far so in using this so i can transfer wifi
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• 484[03:50:48] <petemc> very prompt
• 485[03:51:02] <l0l64> what
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• 487[03:53:04] <bsdboxer> wifi to linux to wifi || wifi to linux to ethernet || ethernet to linux to wifi
• 488[03:53:07] <bsdboxer> which one?
• 489[03:53:33] <l0l64> the midle
• 490[03:53:52] <bsdboxer> middle*
• 491[03:53:54] <bsdboxer> okay
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• 499[03:57:25] <bsdboxer> so your trying to turn your linux box into a router that takes in an wifi connection and transfers via ethernet?
• 500[03:57:32] <bsdboxer> google it as i do
• 501[03:57:58] <l0l64> ok
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• 503[03:58:20] <l0l64> how
• 504[03:59:38] <bsdboxer> l0l64: you dont know how to google?
• 505[03:59:55] <petemc> bsdboxer: thats not helpful
• 506[04:00:11] <l0l64> its brother
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• 512[04:02:51] <jmcnaught> l0l64: there is a page on the Debian wiki about bridge networking. It has a section on additional considerations for bridging a wireless NIC. replaced-url
• 513[04:03:00] <mrr0butt> l0l64 desktop + network-manager or commandline env?
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• 516[04:03:27] <lucas-arg> hello all, i have problems with this 03:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8411B PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
• 517[04:03:28] <lucas-arg> cant make it mount me sd card
• 518[04:03:30] <l0l64> how do i get ther
• 519[04:04:00] <jmcnaught> l0l64: you can also configure bridge networks with systemd-networkd
• 520[04:04:10] <l0l64> how
• 521[04:04:19] <dvs> !tell lucas-arg about rtl8411
• 522[04:04:51] <petemc> bridged wifi needs wds
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• 525[04:05:52] <lucas-arg> dvs, cant make it work
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• 527[04:06:01] <lucas-arg> dvs, i have firmware-realtek installed
• 528[04:06:29] <jmcnaught> l0l64: probably nobody here is willing to guide you through step by step. I suggest you start by reading the above wiki page, and also look at the man pages and /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE directory for any package that you end up using. If you have specific questions that arise from reading the documentation, then come back and ask here
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• 533[04:09:47] <mrr0butt> network-manager offers a share connection option in edit connection menue, which should be turned on for eth and it should be able to create a new wireless connection as ap
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• 535[04:11:00] <mrr0butt> if ap is not aviable, set up new ad-hoc wifi connection
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• 540[04:13:52] <mrr0butt> then edit in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/yourconnectionname
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• 545[04:15:03] <mrr0butt> "mode=ad-hoc" to mode=ap"
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• 547[04:15:20] <mrr0butt> and restart iface
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• 553[04:17:41] <lucas-arg> ok cant make my sd card reader to work with debian
• 554[04:18:28] <lucas-arg> Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8411B PCI Express Card Reader
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• 556[04:18:35] <lucas-arg> need help plis
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• 566[04:26:06] <lucas-arg> !RTL8411B
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• 570[04:28:52] <jmcnaught> !rtl8411
• 571[04:28:52] <dpkg> The Realtek RTL8411 is a PCIe Gigabit Ethernet controller with an integrated card reader controller. The Ethernet controller is supported by <r8169> since Linux 3.5; a firmware patch (rtl_nic/rtl8411-1.fw) is packaged since firmware-realtek 0.37. The card reader (PCI ID 10ec:5289, aka "Barossa Plus Plus") is supported by the rtsx_pci module since Linux 3.8.
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• 573[04:29:05] <jmcnaught> lucas-arg: do you have the rtsx_pci module loaded?
• 574[04:29:25] <jmcnaught> and which Debian release are you using?
• 575[04:29:33] <lucas-arg> 9
• 576[04:29:59] <lucas-arg> it is loaded
• 577[04:30:35] <lucas-arg> rtsx_pci rtsx_pci_ms rtsx_pci_sdmmc
• 578[04:30:40] <jmcnaught> lucas-arg: have you looked at dmesg after plugging a card in?
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• 580[04:31:39] <lucas-arg> [ 144.835997] mmc0: cannot verify signal voltage switch
• 581[04:31:40] <lucas-arg> [ 148.540484] mmc0: tuning execution failed: -22
• 582[04:31:40] <lucas-arg> [ 148.540489] mmc0: error -22 whilst initialising SD card
• 583[04:32:18] <maxcell_> i need help
• 584[04:32:54] <lucas-arg> jmcnaught, i tried two different adaptors
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• 586[04:33:47] <maxcell_> i have installed a package called mono-complete, than i add a debian jessie repo to sources.list and install a mono-devel package from JESSIE, but im using Stretch. So i deleted the mono-devel and remove the Jessie from sources.list. But now, i cant install mono-complete again, because it is giving me an error.
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• 590[04:34:14] <maxcell_> please help
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• 595[04:35:38] <qman__> maxcell_: you may have created an irreversible mess - first, try removing all the mono-related packages you installed, then apt-get autoremove, then apt-get -f install, then apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade
• 596[04:35:46] <qman__> and then, try to install the package again
• 597[04:35:56] <lucas-arg> it has to be a kernel issue
• 598[04:36:06] <maxcell_> ok qman__
• 599[04:36:13] <lucas-arg> can we upgrade kernel?
• 600[04:36:15] <maxcell_> qman__, do you wanna see the error?
• 601[04:36:25] <lucas-arg> from 4.9 to something else??
• 602[04:36:36] <maxcell_> qman__, i can debian.paste if you want, to have a better idea of the problem
• 603[04:37:00] <mrr0butt> do it :D
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• 605[04:37:28] <maxcell_> qman__, replaced-url
• 606[04:37:30] <maxcell_> look pls
• 607[04:37:46] <maxcell_> he wants mono-runtime 4.6, but 5.0 is to be installed.
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• 614[04:39:33] <mrr0butt> adding jessie repo in stretch and installing packages is a rly bad idea
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• 618[04:41:19] <maxcell_> mrr0butt, yeah i just install the mono-devel package help me to fix this thing pls, i just have installed debian its a new install
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• 620[04:42:33] <maxcell_> mrr0butt, in dpkg -l what means RC that comes before a package name?
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• 622[04:43:52] <qman__> if it's already a fresh new install, it may be better to just reinstall it
• 623[04:44:04] <maxcell_> qman__, no cmon
• 624[04:44:09] <qman__> that way you know you won't have missed anything
• 625[04:44:16] <maxcell_> im removing all mono packages, it will work
• 626[04:44:16] <qman__> !frankendebian
• 627[04:44:16] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 629[04:44:38] <maxcell_> qman__, wait
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• 636[04:48:21] <maxcell_> qman__, what mean RC before the package name in "dpkg -l" command?
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• 638[04:48:33] <maxcell_> qman__, ii = installed rc = ?
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• 640[04:49:33] <qman__> rc means removed, but configuration files remain
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• 642[04:50:00] <maxcell_> ok
• 643[04:50:04] <maxcell_> how to remove this files?
• 644[04:50:14] <maxcell_> if its too hard nvm
• 645[04:50:28] <sbine> dpkg --purge package
• 646[04:50:28] * dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up package all over sbine and Archrover...
• 647[04:50:39] <maxcell_> ok
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• 651[04:53:05] <mrr0butt> aiunds like dpkg is anorexic
• 652[04:53:23] <mrr0butt> *sounds
• 653[04:53:30] <jmcnaught> adding an oldstable repo to a stable system is not that bad. people do it to get access to older packages that have been removed, like older openssl for example
• 654[04:54:11] <mrr0butt> the dependencies tree doesnt like this
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• 656[04:54:50] <jmcnaught> adding a repo for a later/newer release is where the danger lays. mixing stable and testing or unstable, that will bork your system
• 657[04:54:53] <lucas-arg> any one can check this? replaced-url
• 658[04:55:15] <lucas-arg> can i update to kernel 4.12 or 4.11 ??
• 659[04:55:16] <mrr0butt> ah oke
• 660[04:55:33] <jmcnaught> lucas-arg: is there a changelog saying that newer kernels fix this issue?
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• 662[04:55:50] <lucas-arg> jmcnaught, it might
• 663[04:56:00] <lucas-arg> if not im lost dont know what else to do
• 664[04:56:22] <lucas-arg> didnt have that problem with fedora or ubuntu so thats weird
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• 666[04:56:55] <lucas-arg> so im guessing its a kernel problem
• 667[04:57:27] <jmcnaught> lucas-arg: maybe it is. have you found threads on the web of other people having the same error and problem?
• 668[04:57:36] <maxcell_> yaaaay
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• 670[04:57:43] <maxcell_> i fix it!
• 671[04:57:47] <maxcell_> mono-devel installed :D
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• 673[04:57:54] <maxcell_> qman__, :D
• 674[04:57:54] <lucas-arg> jmcnaught, nope...
• 675[04:58:25] <maxcell_> qman__, i didn't have closed the terminal yet so i copy all the files mono-complete have installed from old Jessie and uninstall one by one
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• 677[04:58:37] <maxcell_> qman__, all good now man
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• 681[04:58:55] <mrr0butt> pure luck
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• 687[05:00:17] <jmcnaught> lucas-arg: for lack of trying?
• 688[05:00:29] <lucas-arg> jmcnaught, yes
• 689[05:00:36] <maxcell_> thank God man i was shaking thank God omg
• 690[05:00:38] <lucas-arg> i need to copy files from my sd card
• 691[05:00:45] <lucas-arg> and cant make this to work
• 692[05:01:00] <maxcell_> its a real relieve
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• 695[05:01:14] <lucas-arg> the sd card its ok i tried it in my pc
• 696[05:01:23] <lucas-arg> but here in my laptop cant even read it
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• 703[05:04:44] <lucas-arg> goin back to ubuntu
• 704[05:04:47] <sbine> lucas-arg: when you plug your card, what's dmesg telling you on your laptop?
• 705[05:04:54] <lucas-arg> really need that sd card to work
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• 708[05:05:24] <lucas-arg> [ 28.658322] mmc0: tuning execution failed: -22
• 709[05:05:25] <lucas-arg> [ 28.658334] mmc0: error -22 whilst initialising SD card
• 710[05:05:25] <lucas-arg> [ 29.697641] mmc0: cannot verify signal voltage switch
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• 712[05:05:45] <lucas-arg> sbine, thats what it says
• 713[05:05:48] <jmcnaught> lucas-arg: do other cards work?
• 714[05:06:49] <sbine> lucas-arg: sorry, i don't know
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• 716[05:07:13] <jmcnaught> lucas-arg: are there other messages related to the event of inserting a card?
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• 724[05:09:24] <lucas-arg> just what ive pasted
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• 728[05:10:28] <h2> !ls
• 729[05:10:28] <dpkg> CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1
• 730[05:10:37] <h2> !glob
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• 768[05:43:13] <password4> how do i again install 32 bit libs?
• 769[05:43:24] <password4> on a 64 bit platform*
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• 771[05:43:44] <jmcnaught> password4: replaced-url
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• 774[05:47:55] <password4> 32bbit is i386 ?
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• 778[05:49:25] <jmcnaught> yeah
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• 780[05:49:58] <jmcnaught> 64-bit PCs are amd64 on Debian, whether they are amd or intel
• 781[05:50:21] <password4> hmmm steam moans about libc.so.6 being missing
• 782[05:50:44] <jmcnaught> password4: how are you installing it?
• 783[05:51:25] <password4> from their installer
• 784[05:51:50] <password4> its installed , this error happens when i thry to run it
• 785[05:52:08] <jmcnaught> password4: remove their installer, and use the Debian package for an easier time: replaced-url
• 786[05:52:22] <password4> ih
• 787[05:52:24] <password4> oh
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• 789[05:52:40] <password4> how do i remove something i installed with dpkg again?
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• 793[05:53:41] <jmcnaught> password4: "man dpkg" you can search with the / key, then type a phrase, 'n' for next result
• 794[05:53:46] <Rusty1_> type: man dpkg in a terminal , if nobody here is willing to do it for you
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• 801[05:57:11] <password4> ok i installed from my repos
• 802[05:57:24] <password4> There Now more dependency issues
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• 804[05:58:10] <jmcnaught> password4: /msg dpkg bat
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• 812[05:59:26] <password4> how do people live without sudo
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• 814[05:59:39] <jmcnaught> they use su
• 815[05:59:52] <password4> I'm typing my password 10x more now
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• 820[06:00:28] <jmcnaught> password4: "sudo -i" to start an interactive shell
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• 824[06:00:56] <password4> replaced-url
• 825[06:01:44] <jmcnaught> password4: please provide the complete output of all the commands in the bat factoid, not just a snippet
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• 827[06:02:32] <doc|work> I have a question I've gotten no help with in #ubuntu. Is it ok to ask here?
• 828[06:02:43] <doc|work> or is it considered off-topic?
• 829[06:02:56] <jmcnaught> doc|work: ubuntu support is off-topic here
• 830[06:03:04] <doc|work> ok, thanks
• 831[06:03:06] <jmcnaught> but thanks for asking ☺
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• 833[06:03:16] <Rusty1_> !ubuntu
• 834[06:03:16] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 835[06:03:19] <doc|work> no worries, figured it might be contentious
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• 837[06:03:46] <doc|work> might I suggest that get put into dpkg's guidelines?
• 838[06:03:57] <doc|work> I did check, but nothing was mentioned :/
• 839[06:03:58] <iiious> anyone using debian unstable + docker?
• 840[06:04:40] <iiious> I found docker's aufs module only support kernel 4.9.*
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• 842[06:04:48] <lucas-arg> what does this mean replaced-url
• 843[06:04:49] <password4> replaced-url
• 844[06:05:08] <jmcnaught> iiious: you're not talking crazy, like using unstable in a production server or anything right?
• 845[06:05:43] <doc|work> lucas-arg, what processor do you have? Skylake or Kabylake?
• 846[06:05:46] <iiious> I'm using unstable on my desktop
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• 848[06:06:18] <jmcnaught> password4: so your only repos are the Debian ISOs and the Steam repos? I thought you removed those. Also you do not want a Debian network mirror?
• 849[06:06:25] <lucas-arg> doc|work, i7 7500
• 850[06:06:30] <lucas-arg> i think it latest
• 851[06:06:48] <password4> jmcnaught, I'm trying to save on bandwidth
• 852[06:06:52] <doc|work> lucas-arg, ok, you'll want to get the firmware from the link provided. It does some stuff. (C) Intel
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• 854[06:06:54] <jmcnaught> password4: you also need to check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.conf
• 855[06:07:10] <password4> i did not notice the steam repos until i fired that command
• 856[06:07:42] <jmcnaught> password4: did you run "dpkg --add-architecture i386" and then "apt update"? I imagine that could be tricky without a network mirror.
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• 858[06:07:59] <lucas-arg> doc|work, what link?
• 859[06:08:12] <password4> i did
• 860[06:08:31] <password4> should i remove the steam repos?
• 861[06:08:32] <doc|work> lucas-arg, the URL from the link you posted
• 862[06:09:01] <jmcnaught> iiious: if you don't find help here you may on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (the unstable channel). Are you using the docker.io package from Debian, or the upstream Docker packages?
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• 864[06:09:46] <jmcnaught> password4: yes, remove the steam repos so you can be sure that you're using the package provided by Debian. What was the output of the multiarch commands?
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• 866[06:10:25] <password4> i alos a one point had : #deb [arch=amd64,i386] replaced-url
• 867[06:10:36] <password4> idk if its orrect even
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• 869[06:11:19] <iiious> jmcnaught: I The #debian-next can only be invited, I'm using upstream Docker packages, I think maybe I should ask Docker community for help :)
• 870[06:11:37] <password4> you need to be registered iiious
• 871[06:11:42] <jmcnaught> iiious: #debian-next is on a different network…
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• 874[06:12:02] <mrr0butt> back in may 2017 there were 4000 linux compatible games on steam from 12000
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• 876[06:12:22] <jmcnaught> lucas-arg: some Intel GPUs need non-free firmware installed in stretch, even if they didn't previously in jessie
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• 878[06:12:46] <jmcnaught> bah… that guy quits too much
• 879[06:12:50] <password4> jmcnaught, i think i managed to fix the repo
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• 883[06:13:36] <mrr0butt> steam is doing a rly great job
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• 885[06:13:53] <password4> dependecies been resolved , but now i need drivers
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• 888[06:14:42] <iiious> maybe install steam from debian repo not deb package from steam is the right way?
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• 890[06:15:07] <mrr0butt> i would take the debian pkg
• 891[06:16:04] <password4> meh , my aptget used to have autocomplete on packages
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• 893[06:16:14] <password4> iiious, i did that
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• 895[06:16:36] <mrr0butt> yah missing aoutocompleat on pkgnames
• 896[06:16:46] <jmcnaught> password4: your paste of "apt-cache policy" earlier included no i386 repos from Debian (the steampowered.com one was the only i386). So if all you've done is remove the steam repo from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.conf, you are probably still using the non-Debian package
• 897[06:17:04] <iiious> password4: so I think the only thing needs to do is add i386 arch
• 898[06:18:01] <password4> i added i3886
• 899[06:18:13] <password4> and installed the missing packages
• 900[06:18:29] <password4> oh wait
• 901[06:18:42] <password4> i was installing steam from steam repo
• 902[06:18:44] <password4> fml
• 903[06:18:52] <password4> the current error is around nouveau_dri.so nouveau swrast_dri.so swrast
• 904[06:19:26] <password4> woops , I lost all reference to time
• 905[06:19:37] <password4> I'm gonna be late if i dont start moving now
• 906[06:23:06] <iiious> jmcnaught: upstream docker's aufs driver supports kernel 4.9, but unstable now is 4.11. I found docker is using overlayfs not aufs, maybe I can just ignore aufs module problem : D
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• 909[06:23:43] <jmcnaught> iiious: stretch/stable is kernel 4.9
• 910[06:24:30] <iiious> jmcnaught: I know, upstream just supports stable version
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• 925[06:39:45] <XXOOXX> Lian jiang is a city in Fujian.
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• 928[06:41:12] <gregf> with d-i partman-auto/disk is it possible to specify both vda and sda disks?
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• 934[06:45:19] <jmcnaught> gregf: why not? did you try it?
• 935[06:45:40] <gregf> no not even sure how it would look
• 936[06:46:17] <jmcnaught> gregf: something like: d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda /dev/vda
• 937[06:46:57] <jmcnaught> gregf: are you referring to replaced-url
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• 939[06:47:46] <gregf> looks like the simplest solution read that is to not specify a disk
• 940[06:47:54] <gregf> and it will auto select the only one i have
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• 942[06:48:06] <gregf> this is for a vm so 1 disk is probably the norm in our case
• 943[06:48:17] <jmcnaught> yeah
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• 945[06:48:40] <CarlBenjaminLion> I have a question
• 946[06:48:40] <CarlBenjaminLion> <CarlBenjaminLion> How can I ouput a bitmap format picture in console
• 947[06:48:40] <CarlBenjaminLion> <CarlBenjaminLion> My email is carlbenjaminlion@outlook .You can connect with m
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• 949[06:48:53] <CarlBenjaminLion> with CPP
• 950[06:49:05] <brian|lfs> hey all anyone have kodi install on Debian I'm getting a messy depdency mess
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• 953[06:50:19] <jmcnaught> brian|lfs: are you installing the packages from Debian's repos?
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• 955[06:52:39] <brian|lfs> yes
• 956[06:53:10] <brian|lfs> kodi : Depends: kodi-bin (>= 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2) but it is not going to be installed
• 957[06:53:10] <brian|lfs> Depends: kodi-data (>= 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2) but it is not going to be installed
• 958[06:53:23] <brian|lfs> don't see repack-dmolb2 anywhere
• 959[06:53:43] <jmcnaught> brian|lfs: "/msg dpkg bat" please provide the information asked for by the bot when you message it, and use replaced-url
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• 961[06:54:10] <jmcnaught> ,v kodi-bin
• 962[06:54:11] <judd> Package: kodi-bin on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+2; stretch: 2:17.1+dfsg1-3; sid: 2:17.3+dfsg1-2; buster: 2:17.3+dfsg1-2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; stretch-multimedia: 5:17.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 5:17.3-dmo2; buster-multimedia: 5:17.3-dmo2
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• 965[06:54:42] <jmcnaught> !dmo
• 966[06:54:42] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
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• 969[06:55:11] <jmcnaught> with kodi available in jessie-backports and stretch, there is no need to use debian-multimedia
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• 973[06:57:51] <brian|lfs> ah ok so comment out multimeida I'll try that
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• 975[06:58:14] <jmcnaught> brian|lfs: it would also remove any packages you have already installed from that repo
• 976[06:58:34] <brian|lfs> only thing I nstalled was w64codecs
• 977[06:58:46] <jmcnaught> did it install dependencies?
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• 980[06:59:03] <brian|lfs> for w64codecs no
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• 983[07:00:19] <jmcnaught> brian|lfs: if you "/msg dpkg dmm list" it has info on listing packages from that repo, but yeah definitely remove the multimedia repo and run "apt update"
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• 1220[07:35:34] <password2> does anyone know if nouveau driver is on the install dvds?
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• 1222[07:36:16] <password2> beaky: !
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• 1224[07:37:23] <jmcnaught> password2: /msg dpkg cd contents
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• 1232[07:40:45] <klone_1979> hello
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• 1234[07:41:21] <password2> its on dvd 10
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• 1236[07:41:28] <password2> which was written to null
• 1237[07:41:32] <password2> :(
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• 1239[07:41:50] <klone_1979> hello room
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• 1246[07:43:54] <klone_1979> searching for linux users....
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• 1248[07:44:06] <password2> well I'm on win 7 now
• 1249[07:44:25] <jmcnaught> klone_1979: hi. if you have a support question you are welcome to ask, if you just want to chat there is #debian-offtopic
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• 1257[07:44:41] <klone_1979> thanks for the input. im new here.
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• 1428[08:44:40] <Mahe> hello
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• 1438[08:48:17] <Mahe> Can you tell me how the release model of Debian stable reacts to bugfixing subreleases of packages. For example, Thunar (Xfce's file manager) is highly unstable on stretch for me (freezing a lot). I've filed a bug report and received an answer that it is fixed in the next Thunar minor release and will be pushed to sid soon. Will this update eventually reach stretch as well or is stretch strictly frozen at the bugged release?
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• 1493[09:13:04] <vadimkolchev> does anyone have problems with updates now? Get Release file not found on all mirrors
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• 1513[09:21:17] <jelly> vadimkolchev, which debian release?
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• 1515[09:21:49] <jelly> and which mirror(s) used?
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• 1532[09:30:52] <mappy> Silly me, i filed a bug report against a package, then discovered it was a duplicate
• 1533[09:31:05] <mappy> what are the magic words for debbugs to ask it to link them together ?
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• 1571[09:54:26] <OS-31218> hi All
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• 1577[09:56:28] <OS-31218> Jaganboda< REGISTER oscp@9 Jagan@e-opensource.com
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• 1580[09:57:12] <JaganBoda> Hi All
• 1581[09:57:29] <JaganBoda> I have going start my OSCP Lab session soon
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• 1583[09:58:03] <JaganBoda> any advice for prerequisites
• 1584[09:58:13] <JaganBoda> to clear oscp exam
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• 1598[10:04:58] <jelly> JaganBoda, you're in chat channel for Debian operating system right now, OSCP os probably in a different channel
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• 1607[10:10:51] <ssumowski> libexample
• 1608[10:10:58] <ssumowski> question for debian experts if a package dependency cannot be met because package x requires (libexample >= 2.5), it means that libexample has to be "lower or equal" version then version 2.5, or dose it means that libexample has to be "higher or equal" version than 2.5
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• 1610[10:12:16] <jelly> ssumowski, it means that there is no binary package libexample higher or equal version than 2.5 available from any configured (and positive-pinned) repo
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• 1617[10:15:48] <rdz> hey all. is there a way to get the release date of a security upgrade of a package?
• 1618[10:16:34] <rdz> the idea is to monitor the number of available upgrades, but i'd like to avoid an alarm if unattended_upgrades hasn't run yet
• 1619[10:16:42] <maxcell_> someone of you know a e-mail program that is compatible with gmail security terms?
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• 1621[10:17:05] <ssumowski> But if the system has a newer version installed, why i can not install package x
• 1622[10:17:16] <fnlkj> rdz: hola stranger , did you try , like..."apt-cache search apt- | more" ?
• 1623[10:17:41] <fnlkj> ....Not sure, but I believe at least some packages will let you see , for example the most recent chagnes... would presume likely also a date be there
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• 1625[10:18:18] <fnlkj> ...i should really write downt hese things, it's one of those packages I eventually (want anyway) to install ion every Deb box I rule over. Just like Needrestart
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• 1630[10:19:50] <rdz> fnlkj, thanks.. which package are you talking about now?
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• 1632[10:19:57] <fnlkj> such a breeze being told when I need to step up my game and ensure the demise of some processes before reproducing them anew rejuvenated, if there is a slight alteration in there that could cause some undesiable or unexpected outcome otherwise
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• 1636[10:20:33] <fnlkj> Hmm.. If you give me a couple more moments, I will order my assistant to have a look for you. Hold on . . . .
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• 1642[10:22:25] <fnlkj> ah, .. also, "fail2ban".. I guess it tries to tell me I'm a failure (or, rather, that nab i ushered into this mess to get stuffz done. ..my "assiostant").... wayyyyy too many times now am I locking myself out and getting our IP shit-listed from own box....
• 1643[10:22:32] <rdz> fnlkj, can't follow your snark.. anyway.. daptup looks interesting.
• 1644[10:22:38] <fnlkj> ....bad memory, too many passawords, or too optimistic security ..
• 1645[10:23:00] <fnlkj> hm. Is that the one notifying of recent changes?
• 1646[10:23:36] <fnlkj> ...I think it'd be named quite simply somehting like "listchanges", or such, and additionally have a very similarly named package with a quite familiar feature as well.
• 1647[10:23:48] <fnlkj> Listbugs possibly, too.
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• 1652[10:25:19] <fnlkj> If I got space to waste, and either being someone elses box or can blame someone else for it, i'd typically like to play around and just install as many packages as possible. No longer have count of how many times I installed packages until it eventually ended in total disaster (well, being n00bs here and all, for us it did..... kernel panic, dpkg configure blabal made crazy errors or whatnot; wh
• 1653[10:25:40] <fnlkj> ..wahtever taht means)... There are lotta fancy stuff.. I'd wanna do like "apt-cache search utils | more"
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• 1655[10:25:52] <fnlkj> same with " .. tools .. " , " .. crypto .. " , etc..
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• 1657[10:26:19] <fnlkj> "apt show packageName" to inquire for more infoz on a particular package of potential interest
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• 1661[10:27:28] <fnlkj> There should be some packagea for newbs too I think, like.. "fool-proofing" that prevents installing 64bit stuff on a 32bit box, and things like that.. which typically leads to a pletahora of issues requiring skillz a a whole nother level than lowly nabs like self can deal with,
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• 1663[10:28:17] <fnlkj> I'd just say their server was hacked, or some other funky excuse (what can they proove, yknow.. ;) ... but sux for some as my learning curve is a tad painful to certain of these folks.
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• 1666[10:29:11] <fnlkj> (.... not that I openly express in elaborate detail my knowledge with Nix at all, but, assuming anything.. it's folks requesting my assistance who should bare the responsibility of letting me loose on their "root", right? well, it's what happens, at worst maybe they learn a leson.
• 1667[10:29:37] <ssumowski> why debian 9 package search site replaced-url
• 1668[10:29:55] <fnlkj> I'm sooon getting my own , too, which I hope and intend to refurbish quite nice and orderly indeed.
• 1669[10:30:11] <fnlkj> oo, there is a web page for all the packages...? ..... lmc ..
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• 1671[10:30:27] <fnlkj> try just add it then, or download the lot
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• 1674[10:31:23] <maxcell_> somebody know e mail client compatible with gmail authenticate security protocol?
• 1675[10:31:41] <ssumowski> please someone can suggest some options ?
• 1676[10:31:55] <fnlkj> Dunno bout Deb 9 , but the version prior -- and most other common major nix distros mind you - I had to manually add repos, or single-handedly issue the command to order a download for things like the OpenVPN tunneling software (weak/vuln ciphers, etc.. wanted up2date good stuff, y'know)
• 1677[10:32:12] <fnlkj> maxcell_: Which G-Mail authentiocation protocol?
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• 1679[10:32:27] <fnlkj> Are you using your own domain and having entered MX etc. in there, IMAP, POP3 ..
• 1680[10:34:09] <fnlkj> Which have you tried already and what if any error message did the application spit back at you..? I would assume more than one would work without much effort. Especcialy being Google, they like to claim dominance and assure presence in every corner of our lives, so rest assured there is a way -- either that or your e-mail client is a) shady or b) did not comply with NSA requests and Google
• 1681[10:34:26] <fnlkj> ..silently approves and supports by nudging it out of existance by a void of support.
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• 1683[10:35:20] <fnlkj> maxcell_: Sir, "gmail authenticate security protocol" /poke , bro... there are browser extensions enabling you to get desktop notifications upon receiving a new electronic e-mail message in your G-Mail Inbox.
• 1684[10:35:31] <bolt> O.o
• 1685[10:35:53] <fnlkj> o:O?
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• 1687[10:36:08] <fnlkj> u guys are kinda weird. and this maxcell dude seems iffy
• 1688[10:36:18] <bolt> you talk a lot
• 1689[10:36:19] <fnlkj> ...juuuust sayin' , no offence
• 1690[10:36:26] <danwellby> I know that thunderbird supports googles login method
• 1691[10:36:29] <fnlkj> Ok, ok. I'm sorry, I'll shut up.
• 1692[10:36:38] <fnlkj> Yes, Thunderbird is an excellent choice.
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• 1697[10:37:27] <fnlkj> Get the GPG/PGP(?)-addonz too for good measure, if u're first threading these new landscapes might as well maxx out its benefit.
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• 1700[10:37:55] <fnlkj> It's like growing carrots, and just eating that green weed that grows abiove-ground ontop of the carrow, and not the carrot itself, yknow what i mean? yeah... soojh...
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• 1703[10:39:13] <maxcell_> fnlkj, i dont like web-mail that much, i wish to have a program like Geary to do that, not possible?
• 1704[10:39:15] <fnlkj> ANyway, not that I do, or did for long. Anyway I'm not much fan of carrots anyway.. yknow, as with all growths that matures under ground, is said to be a work of the Dark Lord, and as such something to woefully refrain from indulging in any form with .. Just a warning. (My grandma told me that, been wary ever since not to make the same mistake myself.)
• 1705[10:39:33] <fnlkj> Yes, Thunderbird, as danwellby so delightfully adviced.
• 1706[10:39:39] <fnlkj> Did you give it a shot?
• 1707[10:40:10] <fnlkj> Sorry, my apologies; I do not have experience with, or even any tiny lil knowledge of what Geary is at all.. truly. So sorry. Can't compare.
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• 1711[10:41:22] <_Vi> Why "Pin: //" works (although slow), but "Pin: *" doesn't in APT preferences?
• 1712[10:41:43] <fnlkj> You should make a habit of implementing GPG/PGP in all your electronic mail messages, and ensure that all your adressees comply with this base standard of security as well. Furthermore preferrably add a lil creative "touch" of your own to your security-regime; whatever --something unexpected/uncommon may typically do a great deal,
• 1713[10:42:20] <fnlkj> and only suck out what mail you wish to obtain , ASAP , and vanquish any reamining bits from the email server at which it previously was laid to rest.
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• 1719[10:43:20] <_Vi> What does line "Package: *" actually mean in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ? It does not make all packages pinned...
• 1720[10:43:33] <maxcell_> fnlkj, Geary if a email client for linux, just like thunderbird, i've tried thunderbird, geary and evolution, no one is compatible with, what you call, gmail authenticate security protocol
• 1721[10:43:57] <fnlkj> For privacy, right. We all love privacy. If you are so gullible to let others manage your e-mail server in the first place, the least you can do-assuming you're a responsible adult..- is to assure GPG enforcement, and swiftly dumping the content and attempting to obscure its origins, content, sender etc. as good as possible--as your sender should know to assist with.
• 1722[10:44:03] <fnlkj> Aha.
• 1723[10:44:05] <penguin_linux> hello, as a linux newbie, I am curious to know how many developers does Debian have.
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• 1725[10:44:24] <fnlkj> Could you please elaborate on waht authentication security protocol you require for this client you wish for ?
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• 1728[10:44:36] <penguin_linux> which distro has the largest number of developers?
• 1729[10:44:56] <fnlkj> That way it may provide the 1629 other people here a further clue as to waht you are seeking, and possibly more easily be able to yield a fruitful answer. Thanks.
• 1730[10:45:11] <fnlkj> penguin_linux: Man. You are Here. You know the answer.
• 1731[10:45:40] <fnlkj> There are the n00b-distros like ubuntu and such, but hey, ask yourself; do you want to remain a n00b? .. me amongst the n00bs and get deeper and further tangled into that mess..?
• 1732[10:46:11] <fnlkj> Sir, if you ever wish to break out of that bubble, you need to get out of bed with your eyes open. Don't fall for those Windows-wannabes
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• 1735[10:46:23] <penguin_linux> is Debian the oldest linux distro?
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• 1737[10:46:39] <penguin_linux> fnlkj, ok.
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• 1739[10:47:09] <fnlkj> Debian. Start with the plain, vanilla, standard version of Debian. It's an excellent choice, and i'm confident I am not the only one in this room who can recommend that one in particular. Indeed, Debian is The Choice, for your own sake and developer potential.
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• 1741[10:47:54] <penguin_linux> fnlkj, but, distros like MX Linux add more bells and whistles, won't they enhance the user experience?
• 1742[10:48:01] <_Vi> Found the issue with "Package: *": there was conflicting lines in /etc/apt/preferences.
• 1743[10:48:27] <fnlkj> More importantly, consider how quality typically trumps quantity. Exemplified by being here, on IRC; this being sort of a noob-filter that keeps the Facebook-grandmas out. This way, the helpful men and women here are not exhausted by stupid questions as quickly, which otherwise would easily be Googled. Therefore more inclined to aid those who do need help, and would not find it elsewhere, potentia
• 1744[10:48:46] <fnlkj> ..potentially question of mutual interest, if lacking documentation or not being clarified sufficiently.
• 1745[10:48:47] <_Vi> fnlkj, Debian may be The Choice when you need stability. When you doing FOSS development and trying everything new then other distros may provide advantage.
• 1746[10:49:03] <fnlkj> Yeah, if you don't like stability go with the others.
• 1747[10:49:24] <maxcell_> fnlkj, man i really dont know. All i know is that if i try to login my gmail account on e-mail clients for linux i cant, and google send me an e-mail asking me to disable security protocol to let "less security programs" login on my account. So i need to find an e-mail client that is compatible with gmail authentication protocol
• 1748[10:49:36] <penguin_linux> stability is the most important thing to me.
• 1749[10:49:38] <maxcell_> thats all i know
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• 1751[10:49:50] <fnlkj> It's also a good excuse if you break something; tell them to try Debian next time--even if you screwed up badly (u didn't really; and tell yourself that, too -- knowing you're indeed correct. They made an error by choosing poorly)
• 1752[10:50:35] <fnlkj> maxcell_: Yes, I believe you may need to go in Google Account settings and enable "less secure programs login to your account".
• 1753[10:50:45] <penguin_linux> fnlkj, which is the most suitable noob friendly DE in Debian 9?
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• 1755[10:50:50] <fnlkj> You have likely fed it some data such as POP3 or IMAP server/port .. ,
• 1756[10:51:00] <fnlkj> What's a DE means'
• 1757[10:51:14] <penguin_linux> Desktop Environment
• 1758[10:51:44] <penguin_linux> I was eagerly waiting for Debian 9 stable. Now, want to download and try that.
• 1759[10:51:59] <fnlkj> Oh.. Hmm... Sorry but i've no idea, or even really how that works; how to change, nor how to choose (??) or make alterations to in the first place either .. or the proper definition mind you.
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• 1763[10:52:25] <penguin_linux> ok
• 1764[10:53:12] <fnlkj> As said, I'm a total n00b to Nix and haven't got my own linux box yet, I've just had the opportunity to wreak havoc on some other fools boxes requesting my assistance (dumasses!--that'll teach em.. well, not my fault yknow.. and, they know better for later-- win/win). I also wouldn't typically mean to actually send all their files to /dev/null, or whatever stupid complaints they may have.. its adv
• 1765[10:53:13] <penguin_linux> fnlkj, do you know Antix and MX Linux? have you ever used them?
• 1766[10:53:21] <fnlkj> ..advice I get when askin around some times, and , yeah... shit happens.
• 1767[10:53:44] <fnlkj> No, sorry. I would not use these mail-gateway distros myself, for a number of reasons.
• 1768[10:54:11] <penguin_linux> mail gateway distro? please elaborate.
• 1769[10:54:14] <fnlkj> First and foremost that I have no idea how to even install it, much less update it... or, whatever the configuration is all about...
• 1770[10:54:34] <fnlkj> oh, hold on Sir.. I'm sure that smelled familiar... (*checking distrowatch.com* .. . )
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• 1773[10:57:21] <fnlkj> May be this was what tingled my spidey senses; replaced-url
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• 1776[10:58:20] <fnlkj> It's from the top of the Distrowatch.com web page, announced as the most recent release.. a virtualization platform with Mail Gateway guest host - I presume.
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• 1785[10:59:01] <fnlkj> Anyway, yknow the saying... if it ain't debby, it shabby.. stay away. Get a proper, debian-derived quality offshoot when time comes. As the saying goes; "those who wait for something good, doesn't wait in vain"
• 1786[11:00:09] <fnlkj> It's probably full of vulnerabilities. The fact it's "open source" is merely a cover; foremost as their devs can easily waive responsibility for "coding errors" which in reality are planted holes as sanctioned by NSA for exploitation at own leisure,
• 1787[11:00:20] <penguin_linux> proper debian derived offshoot? any suggestions?
• 1788[11:00:42] <penguin_linux> OMG.
• 1789[11:00:51] <jelly> penguin_linux, replaced-url
• 1790[11:01:11] <jaami> one big problem with copy process: it start at full speed 80/mbps but a 4gb file copy end up on 2mbps. why debian cannot handle speed with copy process?
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• 1792[11:01:41] <fnlkj> Mate. Do you want data corruption or data integrity assurance?
• 1793[11:01:44] <jelly> jaami, copying from which source to which destination (what kind of device, how is it connected?)
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• 1795[11:02:21] <jaami> source: external HD and dest: internal HD
• 1796[11:02:26] <penguin_linux> Debian better than Ubuntu, OpenSuse?
• 1797[11:02:30] <fnlkj> See; system resource monitoring.
• 1798[11:03:02] <jaami> i see system resource monitoring many times
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• 1801[11:03:29] <jaami> i dont think it about resource. i got 16gb ram
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• 1804[11:03:48] <fnlkj> External HD, it's just a money-grab to a) get your quick bux for that shell with a metal thingie bound to break shortly after; 2) as an alternate monetization path for the other part of the company; dealing with "data corruption and recovery" specializaing in repairing those disks.
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• 1806[11:04:01] <fnlkj> The external ones break -- much faster.
• 1807[11:04:07] <fnlkj> 16gb ram??
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• 1811[11:04:51] <fnlkj> that's nothing, i keep having my Windows Edge browser freeze with 32gb ram with ... I don't know, but its not that many hundred tabs -- if even That. (I only run Edge as, even at full crash it provides as soft landing, granting a full recovery of all tabs as they were )
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• 1813[11:05:00] <jaami> well, on all systems i have seen so far, the copy process is always same, it start at full speed and in the end it is dead slow
• 1814[11:05:51] <jaami> even on windows the copy behavior is same
• 1815[11:05:55] <fnlkj> and yes, seeing each tab taking a mere few-mb ram each, none spiking up due to flash, scripts or such .. yeah, if you watch lewd imagery or entertainment productions on the internet .. well, be warned, those flash tabs quickly stack up..ALOT MORE
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• 1817[11:06:05] <penguin_linux> fnlkj, which distro are you using now?
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• 1819[11:06:14] <fnlkj> Get a shit ton of more cache,
• 1820[11:06:26] <fnlkj> uh, right now.. for what, where when?
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• 1822[11:07:01] <jaami> cache for HD or processor?
• 1823[11:07:01] <jelly> jaami, there might be several causes. One that comes to mind is copying to a neraly full filesystem, with very fragmented remaining free space
• 1824[11:07:07] <fnlkj> What I'm typing from, well, believe this for fact or not -- but as my ctcp query would have you know, it's a Windoze, in sad to say, indeed, some dirt you just have to get dirty to deal with.
• 1825[11:07:10] <nyuszika7h> is there a HTTPS mirror for security.debian.org? (I know packages are verified with PGP, but HTTPS would be nice)
• 1826[11:07:26] <jelly> nyuszika7h, no, not yet
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• 1828[11:07:38] <fnlkj> Id say get high cache for all of it if you're that indifferent and hapless; the more the merries. Ask the clerk to top you up with the good stuff.
• 1829[11:07:40] <jelly> if there is, it's not official
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• 1831[11:09:12] <jaami> do you agree with my understanding about the copy process? i think you guys ignore the fact
• 1832[11:09:30] <fnlkj> If you'd have a need for it, I'd ascertain solid documentation of the fact and use this to pressure the vendor into providing yuo a new disk. Wether you need it or not, if it has any bit of wearing and work done in its past, u prolly wouldn't hurt frmo gettting some new equipment. Don't let these chances run from you , see !
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• 1834[11:09:38] <jelly> jaami, if the external hd was destination, I'd propose other possible causes, but it's not
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• 1836[11:09:53] <jelly> OTOH fnlkj seems to just spout random ideas
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• 1840[11:10:31] <jaami> its not possible that my internal or external HD can go too bad that copy process go dead on 1.5mBPS
• 1841[11:11:00] <fnlkj> Ideas, until you have a solution .. what's wrong with ideas and suggestions.
• 1842[11:11:09] <jelly> jaami, sure it is. Pastebin the output of "iostat -mx 5", run it for at least a minute or so
• 1843[11:11:17] <fnlkj> I'd bet one marshmellow on it being cache,
• 1844[11:11:21] <jelly> fnlkj, they have to be useful.
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• 1846[11:11:39] <jelly> because... tech support channel. Not "random ideas" channel.
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• 1849[11:12:01] <jelly> jaami, which debian release is this?
• 1850[11:12:14] <fnlkj> Yes, it is indeed useful. If nothign else it sparks conversation and discussion around subjects deemed inaccurately adviced on; leading to an even more accurate and well-described end output,
• 1851[11:12:19] <jaami> unfortunately i cannot use net on debian
• 1852[11:12:19] <penguin_linux> fnlkj, is Debian 9 stable suitable for home use?
• 1853[11:12:36] <fnlkj> That's my initial question when I came in here wasn't it.
• 1854[11:12:44] <fnlkj> It's what I wonder, too.
• 1855[11:12:48] <jaami> debain 8.1 jessey
• 1856[11:13:09] <vadimkolchev> penguin_linux, I am effectively using it at home, but it depends on tasks
• 1857[11:13:10] <fnlkj> But indeed, given the alternatives, yes, sure. Compare with Ubuntu for example; Yup, it's rock solid.
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• 1859[11:13:33] <penguin_linux> vadimkolchev, I meant for newbies and for home use.
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• 1861[11:14:13] <fnlkj> Yes, n00bs and l33t nerds alike. That's the beauty of it, innit.
• 1862[11:14:30] <penguin_linux> replaced-url
• 1863[11:14:30] <vadimkolchev> penguin_linux, it is not much more complex nowadays then ubuntu. However, you should download spin containing firmware to avoid surprises during installation
• 1864[11:14:38] <penguin_linux> I will download this.
• 1865[11:15:04] <jaami> i believe there will be no solution unless and until copy command is not written again.
• 1866[11:15:16] <fnlkj> Why do you think so many variations of Linux are based on Debian .. everything from the very basic, things that can run on ones Android phone even, to a broad selection of the most popular security- and forensics- focused distros.-
• 1867[11:15:24] <ralpheeee> penguin_linux: i have to say...been playing around with 9 and the team have done a fantastic job...
• 1868[11:16:03] <penguin_linux> ralpheeee, actually I was eagerly waiting for the release of Debian 9 stable.
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• 1871[11:16:36] <Mahe> penguin_linux, I'd say Debian has a rather poor out-of-the-box desktop experience for newbies it needs a lot of manual tweaking at times
• 1872[11:16:57] <penguin_linux> ok
• 1873[11:17:31] <fnlkj> Are you sure that's not making a mockery out of your own ineptitude; it is stable for anyone who knows their way around the basics, to launch the Manual-program to assist in eventual debugging in case of complications that might occur.
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• 1875[11:17:32] <sleepyhead> fnlkj: lots of distros are based on the big three redhat, debian and slackware replaced-url
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• 1877[11:18:13] <penguin_linux> which DE should I choose as a newbie?
• 1878[11:18:23] <fnlkj> No, it has excellent out-of-the-box desktop experience. For further supplemental, or narrow areas of interest or need, i'd much suggest the vast range of Deb.-based distros out there to fullfull your needs.
• 1879[11:18:26] <sleepyhead> penguin_linux: probably gnome for newbies
• 1880[11:18:28] <fnlkj> LXDE, it's nice.
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• 1882[11:18:47] <penguin_linux> since, I have made up my mind to download and install Debian.
• 1883[11:19:07] <fnlkj> Yeah, or Gnome. It's quite buggy and looks like shit, but that's how you learn. You won't learn if everything goes smooth and on-track, yknow..be boring that way too.
• 1884[11:19:18] <ralpheeee> or xfce4
• 1885[11:19:22] <maxcell_> XFCE is good as well, but i use gnome
• 1886[11:19:24] <penguin_linux> how is KDE Plasma?
• 1887[11:19:27] <Mahe> my vote for Xfce too
• 1888[11:19:36] <fnlkj> True, ralpheeee , too, seems to know what he's talking about.
• 1889[11:19:38] <sleepyhead> penguin_linux: kde is nice but it has more options which newbies might find confusing
• 1890[11:19:45] <jelly> fnlkj, we try to focus on concrete help with debian issues, "sparks discussion" just adds noise to the channel and actual questions and tech answers get harder to read
• 1891[11:19:50] <sleepyhead> penguin_linux: have you considered linux mint?
• 1892[11:19:58] <sleepyhead> penguin_linux: it's easier for newbies or so i hear
• 1893[11:20:01] <jelly> you want to chat,
• 1894[11:20:04] <jelly> !offtopic
• 1895[11:20:04] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 1896[11:20:10] <jelly> do it in #debian-offtopic
• 1897[11:20:20] <penguin_linux> Ok. I'll go with Debian 9 xfce.
• 1898[11:20:25] <fnlkj> jelly: Yep, I'm trying to suppress the needless and fruitless questions.
• 1899[11:20:26] <penguin_linux> thanks a lot guys.
• 1900[11:20:36] <sleepyhead> yw
• 1901[11:20:58] <fnlkj> Don't cause him that potential trouble..are you picking on him because he's a n00b? MINT???
• 1902[11:21:05] <ralpheeee> kde in my view makes not too much sense on debian...kde is always being developed and tweaked and if you take a look at the debian philosophy....
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• 1905[11:21:45] <fnlkj> At least suggest something with a minimum of privacy & security in order, so he won't have to suffer them entailing truobles down the road.. but, may be you are correct, and it's better he learn the hard way..
• 1906[11:21:46] <jelly> fnlkj, don't. Focus on answering issues that you have direct, hands-on experience with.
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• 1908[11:22:18] <penguin_linux> Debian Xfce would be fine, I think.
• 1909[11:22:21] <Mahe> speaking of xfce ...
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• 1911[11:22:26] <Mahe> can you tell me how the release model of Debian stable reacts to bugfixing subreleases of packages? For example, Thunar (Xfce's file manager) is highly unstable on stretch for me (freezing a lot). I've filed a bug report and received an answer that it is supposedly fixed in the next Thunar minor release (1.6.12) and will be pushed to sid soon. Will this update eventually reach stretch as well or is stretch strictly frozen at the bugged release?
• 1912[11:22:43] <fnlkj> I'm sorry. Jelly is right. I'm a n00b and I've no idea what I'm talking about, really. Not much anyway. Sorry, n 'scuse me.. my cat has been wanting to sleep on my laptop here for long anyway but u've pushed me to type so long its almost given up.. (it loves sleeping on the warm laptop keyboard:o) ..seeyas!
• 1913[11:22:56] <penguin_linux> how about Mate or Cinnamon then?
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• 1915[11:24:30] <tehjanosch> mate is okay, cinnamon is shiny
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• 1918[11:25:08] <ralpheeee> :D
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• 1920[11:25:37] <cheeeeeeeeeeeese> babilen: sorry
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• 1925[11:26:46] <maxcell_> penguin_linux, i read out there that debian 9 has the best xfce of all
• 1926[11:27:03] <maxcell_> but i really like gnome so :)
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• 1930[11:27:11] <penguin_linux> maxcell_, ok. Then, I will choose Xfce.
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• 1934[11:28:12] <sleepyhead> jelly: you're quite pro-active for a mod aren't you? never seen such mothering in a forum before
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• 1937[11:28:54] <fnlkj> Subgraph & Parrot are nice, worthy descendants of Debian might I say. Focus on security, privacy and anonmity while additionally upholding a healthy perspective given to data security and traffic analysis to aid in countering or avoiding many threats. Certainly not for the typical desktop-surfer, but. Also,Parrot has nice Desktop Art ye might fancy
• 1938[11:28:55] <jelly> sleepyhead, that one matches a repeat offender
• 1939[11:29:00] <Mahe> I beg to differ, the Xfce release of Debian 9 has sadly been a regression for me in comparison to the backported Xfce4.12 on my Debian 8 installation before - at least in terms of bugs I encounter.
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• 1941[11:29:31] <sleepyhead> jelly: not talking about that. you're constant insistence that people stay on topic. what you told fnlkj. that sort of thing.
• 1942[11:29:46] <jelly> sleepyhead, I'm not even the worst one
• 1943[11:30:32] <jelly> sleepyhead, there's a reason we split chat into #debian-offtopic; if there's too much of it in here, I can't see the actual issues and try to help with those
• 1944[11:30:32] <fnlkj> I would do the same tbh..., or, I'd actually flex some proper muscles.. if it was up to me, given @ , I would kick... let's say every third person in the channel.. every few days or so, to let ppl understand who's in charge and to maintain a sense of respect around this neck of the woods.
• 1945[11:30:50] <kaimo> hey all ive downloaded and installed debian, is there something i must do now like in windows to install the drivers and i have a titan gpu so how is the best way to go about make sure i have all drivers required adn installed
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• 1947[11:31:13] <fnlkj> #debian-offtopic; is empty. But nice try.
• 1948[11:31:28] <sleepyhead> kaimo: you install the OS first. Later you may have to download the relevant kernel modules from amd (that's amd right?)
• 1949[11:31:38] <sleepyhead> kaimo: i mean to get hardware acceleration
• 1950[11:31:39] <maxcell_> penguin_linux, when i first install debian, when i start to use linux and learn a little bit i pass throught a lot of DE. Everyone is great, you just need to find what you like. In Debian you can install everyone at the same time and just choose what you want when you login
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• 1952[11:32:32] <penguin_linux> ok.
• 1953[11:32:35] <jelly> sleepyhead, so yes, I'm enforcing this policy actively. New folks that joined at stretch release may try to naturally chat in here, so reminding every now and then is useful for the time being
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• 1955[11:33:13] <kaimo> do drivers work in linux t5he same as they do in windows
• 1956[11:33:42] <kaimo> nvidia website /d ownlaoid driver and install or is there some cmdline i need to use?
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• 1959[11:34:22] <remote> what's the easiest way to fork a deb from including the diff in its installed files on a local system?
• 1960[11:35:04] <remote> s/fork/build/
• 1961[11:35:12] <nku> remote: apt-get source, apply your diff, fakeroot debian/rules binary
• 1962[11:35:28] <nku> !package recompile
• 1963[11:35:29] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
• 1964[11:35:46] <remote> nku: thanks
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• 1966[11:36:42] <remote> are there dev scripts that will do the diff from files released by the package and the version of these files on the local system?
• 1967[11:36:55] <penguin_linux> thanks a lot guys. bye.
• 1968[11:37:12] <fnlkj> listchanges ?
• 1969[11:37:30] <fnlkj> or, sorry may be I confused.. I've no idea what "devscripts" are I'm afraid.
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• 1972[11:38:20] <venkat_330> Guys how to disable "Save for this session" in Debian
• 1973[11:38:22] <cymen> In my auth.log there are ssh auth attempts that don't include a "user=..." part. What does that mean?
• 1974[11:38:45] <fnlkj> u can't simply use "diffutils"..? :d
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• 1985[11:41:21] <venkat_330> how to disable "Save for this session" in Debian - Xsession
• 1986[11:41:28] <remote> you can but it's nice not to have to write a loop everytime and just have the easy thing automated, I'm sure other people have the same use-case so it might already had been written somewhere.
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• 1990[11:42:18] <kaimo> also how do you drag a webpage to the desktop to save it
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• 1995[11:43:38] <nku> kaimo: the html? just ctrl-s
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• 1997[11:43:52] <nku> the url, the favicon from the url bar i guess
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• 2004[11:49:14] <kaimo> if i drage the favicon to the desktop it does nothing if i drage it to any of my home folder directorys its fails..
• 2005[11:50:18] <bolt> modern websites can hardly be saved at all
• 2006[11:50:26] <bolt> you can save a snapshot by printing to a pdf or something
• 2007[11:50:37] <kaimo> replaced-url
• 2008[11:51:06] <kaimo> just want to drage it to desktop to easily find it again not piss about with dirty bookmarks
• 2009[11:51:07] <bolt> but if the content comes from various queries sent to the server after page load, saving the html, css etc isn't going to do much
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• 2013[11:53:34] <bolt> kaimo: from the screenshot it seems your browser is attempting to create a "dirty bookmark" anyway
• 2014[11:53:43] <bolt> kaimo: save a screenshot, or print to pdf
• 2015[11:53:52] <kaimo> still havnt answered my question though
• 2016[11:54:06] <kaimo> is it not possible to drag them like in windows
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• 2018[11:54:18] <bolt> depends on the browser, i guess
• 2019[11:54:26] <bolt> it does whatever it's programmed to do
• 2020[11:54:31] <kaimo> christ how has linux lasted thisn long lol
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• 2022[11:55:04] <bolt> this has nothing to do with linux. you picked your browser.
• 2023[11:55:21] <lynxer> Now when Stretch is released, when can we expect the Plasma 5.10 (and Kernel 4.12) in Unstable?
• 2024[11:55:36] <kaimo> in windows its doesnt matter whatr browser you use drage adn drop web pages is solid option in linux its takes a shit each time a try lol
• 2025[11:57:01] <bolt> kaimo: sorry, but that's bullshit. if i drag a favicon to the desktop in firefox on my windows pc here, it opens that tab in a new window
• 2026[11:57:16] <bolt> kaimo: again, it does whatever the people who programmed the browser made it do
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• 2028[11:58:29] <bolt> windows has no "webpage dragged to desktop, so do whatever windows does with this" api call i'm aware of
• 2029[11:58:35] <kaimo> well i use chrome on windows adn firefox adn same again on linux and you are wrong works perfectly well in both on windows and neither on linux and crtl s is so messy incomparaison i now got a folder adn a link to the saved page.... problemk solved but gross in comparison to windows
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• 2031[11:59:14] <bolt> kaimo: well you can take that up with my computer, then. feel free to yell at it when it's not doing what you like.
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• 2036[12:00:16] <kaimo> binned that comment for uselessness
• 2037[12:00:56] <bolt> kaimo: this is firefox 54.0.1 on Windows 10, and it does what it's always done. you drag a tab out of the browser, it opens that tab in a new window. it doesn't care if you drop it on the desktop or on top of outlook
• 2038[12:01:06] <kaimo> replaced-url
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• 2040[12:02:14] <bolt> kaimo: that doesn't save your webpage. that creates a bookmark, dirty or not.
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• 2042[12:02:42] <kaimo> well it doesnt i get errors as ive previously said
• 2043[12:03:07] <bolt> but it doesn't do what you wanted either
• 2044[12:03:11] <kaimo> i posted a pick of the error also having to use ctrl s isnt acceptable by comparison of drage and drop
• 2045[12:03:28] <bolt> those functions do entirely different things
• 2046[12:03:36] <kaimo> yes it does do exactly what i want if the error wasnt there
• 2047[12:03:55] <bolt> you want a bookmark saved on your desktop?
• 2048[12:04:22] <kaimo> i give up
• 2049[12:04:24] <kaimo> good day
• 2050[12:04:30] <bolt> likewise
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• 2060[12:10:06] <fnlkj> *tumbleweed*
• 2061[12:10:41] <nvz> does anyone know if nvidia ion is well supported in debian?
• 2062[12:11:06] <fnlkj> Sir, please do define "well". Thank you.
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• 2068[12:13:26] <nvz> well for example the last atom machine I had was an Acer netbook with intel 945 gfx and while it was supported by open drivers it routinely hung with nothing but moving the mouse cursor on the desktop and crashed X a lot, I'm considering purchasing a newer atom box with nvidia ion and I'm wondering if the 2d/3d/media features all work without any known major issues like that
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• 2076[12:17:47] <fnlkj> nvz: oh, you are, are you. That sounds wonderful. My tip: Buy with yuo some ice-cream while you're out shopping. ;)
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• 2082[12:21:08] <jelly> lynxer, a question for kde team and kernel team respectively, and better asked in
• 2083[12:21:11] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2084[12:21:12] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2085[12:22:38] <jelly> kde team have a nice web page someplace...
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• 2088[12:23:39] <jelly> replaced-url
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• 2110[12:39:33] <fnlkj> eny1 can elaborate on potential extent of this, and to what degree -if at all- would depend on signature in this condition/environment,or eventually potential for tampering with in some way alongside..
• 2111[12:39:38] <fnlkj> replaced-url
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• 2113[12:40:17] <fnlkj> "Inject malicious code into *.debs " 2days ago
• 2114[12:40:24] <fnlkj> or "old"?
• 2115[12:40:59] <fnlkj> nvm the metasploit bit, consider the cause,reason and extent otherwise.,if poss
• 2116[12:41:49] <fnlkj> (and, ...the -if at all- importance of either screwing with keys, depending on ignorant ppl not verifying files , downloading from shadyplaces..
• 2117[12:42:28] <fnlkj> but... let's say one would have access to a mirror of a site hosting "official" packages for a debian-based distro with much traffic..... what - if any - would keys save ppl there, could anyone tell?
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• 2121[12:45:21] <fnlkj> eny1 can tell what if any security may stop it, or if any may even detect ... even if used public common tools such as.... replaced-url
• 2122[12:45:51] <fnlkj> aaanyway.. not that I download much outside of repos anyway.. Hopefully they are safe tho, and no MITM attack ever finds place anywhere I'm affected.
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• 2126[12:46:22] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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• 2132[12:49:47] <popup> hi
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• 2134[12:50:51] <popup> on grub boot:no such device 2C3C0A503C0A
• 2135[12:51:00] <popup> how do i find the right number?
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• 2140[12:55:48] <jelly> fnlkj, what does this thing do?
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• 2143[12:57:47] <fnlkj> sorry not sure, nor the potential impact-if any of significance. Recently released code on Github which seems to implement standard reverse shell metasploit shellcode in a .deb file "invisibly" (????)
• 2144[12:58:38] <fnlkj> i reverse shell, u'd have example netcat listening on a predefined external host which the affect host would (unknowingly) connect-out to (presumably as root), presenting a root shell awaiting commands
• 2145[12:58:56] <fnlkj> ..guess u knew that atleast..
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• 2148[12:59:16] <fnlkj> anyway, sorry im not l33t enough just yet to fully analyze it all to give a full explanation of the details..
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• 2153[13:00:03] <fnlkj> May be, if nothing else, a good reminder for people not to trust .deb files they find around; wherever, and always be wary.
• 2154[13:00:51] <jelly> fnlkj, to be add a file, change or replace the post installation script, and generate a new .deb file
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• 2156[13:01:06] <jelly> s/to be/it seems to/
• 2157[13:01:40] <jelly> fnlkj, you can do that on your own. The result package will have different checksum from original
• 2158[13:01:44] <kaboutur> <3 debian , if only they stopped moving simple (base) utilities into packages :@
• 2159[13:02:05] <fnlkj> hm. rather than entry-point, maybe more suitable for establishing a more solid foothold (alternate backdoor) .. ?
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• 2163[13:02:39] <fnlkj> yeah.. hopefully all check checksums of all .deb's they download..!! (im sticking to the official repo myself tbh, i fear little :])
• 2164[13:02:43] <jelly> fnlkj, there's nothing problematic security-wise about this
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• 2166[13:02:53] <kaboutur> fnlkj: what happened?
• 2167[13:02:58] <fnlkj> (assuming author was legit, too...and no checksums got tampered with
• 2168[13:03:03] <fnlkj> k, cool
• 2169[13:03:17] <jelly> you can create your own debs however way you want
• 2170[13:03:22] <kaboutur> some mirror got powned?
• 2171[13:03:24] <jelly> no
• 2172[13:03:35] <fnlkj> ..so..basically, generally best be very wary of .deb files.. maybe .if there are such a thing, hope to have it run thru some sorta sandbox or such; assume likely hostile thru some sneaky way?
• 2173[13:04:03] <kaboutur> fnlkj: dpkg does chksum validation on install iirc
• 2174[13:04:07] <jelly> it's a random script somewhere that takes one .deb file, does things to it, and writes a new .deb file
• 2175[13:04:17] <fnlkj> i mean randomly posted..wherever, im sure many offer various useful tools around too..which is unfortunate creating doubts arouund butt, i guess as witheverything
• 2176[13:04:35] <jelly> kaboutur, apt does, on download. dpkg does not do per-package validation by default
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• 2178[13:04:36] <sypher> What are we going on about, exactly?
• 2179[13:04:36] <kaboutur> fnlkj: using their gpg keys , at least for the depository
• 2180[13:04:45] <fnlkj> oh.. and checksum is already implemented in the .deb and encrypted/irreversible following first time it was packed?
• 2181[13:04:50] <kaboutur> jelly: you're right. i "meant" apt :)
• 2182[13:04:51] <jelly> fnlkj, what doubts?
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• 2184[13:05:17] <fnlkj> i mean, if ppl can inject malware in .deb files... i bettter not trust random .deb files around the net very easily...right.. ?
• 2185[13:05:32] <jelly> that was true the whole time
• 2186[13:05:44] <fnlkj> roffocial reop, sure alot more, but otherwise... "useful tools on my hompage"-type of .deb'
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• 2189[13:05:55] <fnlkj> o...k :o .d
• 2190[13:06:06] <jelly> "injecting" is not some magic word that does evil things
• 2191[13:06:11] <fnlkj> hm, not sure whats new or special about that thing then...if anything..hm
• 2192[13:06:15] <kaboutur> fnlkj: it's a known thing if you go off official depos
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• 2194[13:07:46] <fnlkj> o yeah.. actually it says "ESTED ONKali Linux - SANAKali Linux - ROLLING"...i'd imagine many haxors, or the facilitators, would quite easily add some fancy-looking "powerful hacking tools" to their repos quite easily, not always giving it all that much scrutiny fo each (maybe very frequent) update either..huh
• 2195[13:08:26] <fnlkj> ..never knew those others were possibly that easily exposed.... or..hm... wonder how,if at all, one may judge the trustworthyiness, and caution of those responsible for alternate repos.....
• 2196[13:08:46] <jelly> there's nothing about exposing anything here
• 2197[13:08:57] <fnlkj> are there any non-officuial debian (...debian-based distros?) that are by the same maintainers - presumed trusted, or at all... "who knows" ?
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• 2200[13:09:03] <fnlkj> or are all *
• 2201[13:09:19] <jelly> stable-backports is one
• 2202[13:09:30] <jelly> !backports
• 2203[13:09:30] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 2204[13:09:33] <fnlkj> sry, i meant, exposed to file integrity violations without notice
• 2205[13:09:38] <jelly> !debian-backports
• 2206[13:09:38] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
• 2207[13:10:05] <jelly> fnlkj, nothing in that code enables "integrity violations without notice"
• 2208[13:10:10] <fnlkj> (aka malware injections, subtly adding some malware one day all of a sudden, after gaining some reputation as a trusted package provider of some alternate deb based distro
• 2209[13:10:18] <jelly> it's just a .deb repacking script
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• 2214[13:10:41] <fnlkj> well if someone think that .deb is and does something else, expects some other file.. just had some 'evil' whatever baked into it..?
• 2215[13:10:49] <fnlkj> oo..
• 2216[13:11:10] <jelly> falls under "avoid installing software from sources you don't trust"
• 2217[13:11:28] <fnlkj> k... really.. anyway, i guess it simply applies to any such package providers anyway a, eh..
• 2218[13:11:35] <jelly> exactly
• 2219[13:11:38] <fnlkj> yeah...trust...that's a tricky thing
• 2220[13:12:20] <jelly> third party repos are signed as well, apt has required signed repos by default for some time now
• 2221[13:12:43] <jelly> you choose whether to trust their signature key
• 2222[13:12:44] <kaboutur> ^^ what jelly says
• 2223[13:13:07] <fnlkj> i just hope these blessed official distributors and our 'weather gods' willl be nice to us and trustworthy too... while not even knowing any of em :d..hopefully none will see incentive to deviate and betray this noble path, assuming all has been legit and good so far.. That by itself even,actually, is quite a commendable feat.. =]
• 2224[13:13:45] <fnlkj> yeah.. hopefullly they are trustworthy... and keep their keys somewhere super-safe untouchable aswell :]
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• 2226[13:14:08] <kaboutur> fnlkj: too much paranoia :p
• 2227[13:14:16] <jelly> having a signed repo is enough to stop MITM of .deb package transfer. You absolutely need to compromise the repo and have access to their private signature keys to be able to replace contents (Release files and .deb packages) without notice
• 2228[13:14:30] <fnlkj> kaboutur: ha..yeah, may be true actually..:z
• 2229[13:15:10] <kaboutur> and... hacked repos get discovered in hours or days by the community
• 2230[13:15:11] <fnlkj> sounds good,..hmm.. :)
• 2231[13:16:12] <kaboutur> btw anybody know a simple CAD program for Simple drawing / gcode ?
• 2232[13:16:47] <fnlkj> there should be independent paid teams dedicated to ensuring that job, shouldnt it... I mean, or we owe ALOT to the volunteers who go over the code and actually audit it.... "open source is gr8, 'everyone' has verified the code " (yet, doesn't verify the code themselves..i bet 99% even:d...and term "open source" potentially holding alot of value with many that could be risky
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• 2236[13:18:07] <fnlkj> ow do you lear to ... or, find some use in playing with such code..? I guess theres no way one person can verify evry line of code all that well before accepting a new update on their box... requiring a cmmunity effort? Im too n00b I guess I kinda depend on being breastfed still,and just hope noone knocks me dead in the head
• 2237[13:18:20] <kaboutur> fnlkj: the paid teams that fuck our security have more budget
• 2238[13:18:35] <fnlkj> paid..hm.. funded how?
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• 2240[13:18:57] <fnlkj> .....any interest groups pushing on, lobbying... guess not; hope not !
• 2241[13:19:13] <fnlkj> been assuming wasnt the case all along atleast =P (generaly with nix I guess...for some reason..). Mostly anywaya,
• 2242[13:20:23] <fnlkj> I like the idea of free open source software.... just feel like myself ain't really doing much besides leeching -- as is the majority of others... and this possibly too can cause a risk (if not enough get involved and at some point something "small" get overlooked.. hm..
• 2243[13:21:03] <fnlkj> what is a motivating thing/target/practice/lesson to get into the coding which leads to interest or motivation to verify those things... assuming dependance on community effort for safety perpetuated then
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• 2281[13:45:52] <lynxer> jelly: thanks, I'll try debian-next. Thanks for the URLs too, I found them myself too.
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• 2295[13:51:51] <lynxer> jelly and myself: replaced-url
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• 2308[13:53:30] <jelly> just go read kde team's mailing list and/or join their channel (also on OFTC)
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• 2319[14:02:23] <cinap_lenwerk> hi there
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• 2321[14:02:33] <popup> hi all
• 2322[14:02:36] <cinap_lenwerk> we'r having some issues with stretch
• 2323[14:02:42] <popup> where can i find help on grub
• 2324[14:02:57] <FinalX> popup: well, did you try #grub?
• 2325[14:02:58] <cinap_lenwerk> we run a local debarchiver to serve our own packages
• 2326[14:03:13] <cinap_lenwerk> with stretch, it sais the repository is not signed
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• 2328[14:03:43] <cinap_lenwerk> the exact error is: "E: The repository 'replaced-url
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• 2330[14:04:03] <cinap_lenwerk> any clue what might have been changed?
• 2331[14:04:34] <cinap_lenwerk> we also tried to generate new key and add it but that doesnt fix the problem
• 2332[14:05:08] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: That's an abbreviated error. What's the complete output?
• 2333[14:05:10] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2334[14:05:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2335[14:05:13] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: ^^^
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• 2338[14:08:04] <cinap_lenwerk> petn-randall: this is a clean install of debian stretch, and the error appears after adding our local debarchiver url and running "apt update"
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• 2341[14:08:54] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: Sure but what *is* the output you're getting?
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• 2343[14:09:23] <cinap_lenwerk> petn-randall: ok, hold on... :)
• 2344[14:09:36] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: I'm asking because I can't reproduce the error. You can paste the output to replaced-url
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• 2346[14:09:46] <popup> hi
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• 2350[14:09:57] <abrotman> popup: what kind of help? Which distro?
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• 2353[14:10:33] <jelly> <popup> hi <popup> on grub boot:no such device 2C3C0A503C0A <popup> how do i find the right number?
• 2354[14:10:54] <jelly> help with that, likely
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• 2358[14:12:41] <jelly> popup, when does that happen? do you get a grub menu before that? which debian release do you have installed? did grub ever work?
• 2359[14:12:43] <cinap_lenwerk> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 2363[14:13:14] <jelly> !localized errors
• 2364[14:13:14] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
• 2365[14:13:30] <jelly> cinap_lenwerk, ^^ if we ask you for more stuff to pastebin
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• 2367[14:14:11] <cinap_lenwerk> ok, i didnt mind as the important stuff is in english tho :)
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• 2370[14:14:21] <cinap_lenwerk> but i'll try to remmeber that :)
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• 2372[14:14:56] <jelly> cinap_lenwerk, you can just "export LC_ALL=C" in that shell and everything from that point on is in C (7 bit ascii English) locale
• 2373[14:15:10] <cinap_lenwerk> yeah, i know.
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• 2377[14:15:44] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: That is a signature by your local key. So it seems that it's doing something wrong. Note that stretch now by default ignores any signatures over MD5 and SHA1 hashes, so you might have to update your debarchiver configuration.
• 2378[14:15:46] <jelly> cinap_lenwerk, can you pastebin your sources.list? Is this repo visible from public internets?
• 2379[14:16:13] <jelly> wouldn't a sha1 result in "weak signature" thing
• 2380[14:16:26] <petn-randall> jelly: Good point, I'm not 100% sure though.
• 2381[14:16:30] <Mahe> so if I understand the Debian release documentation correctly, packages in stable are never updated except for security fixes, is that correct?
• 2382[14:16:38] <cinap_lenwerk> pren-randall: hashes over what? you mean in the md5/sha1 hashes in Release file?
• 2383[14:16:38] <jelly> maybe that german says that, but who knows
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• 2387[14:17:15] <jelly> Mahe, yes. There's a (very small) number of exceptions to that.
• 2388[14:17:17] <cinap_lenwerk> do you have the openssl command to decode the Releases.pgp blob real quick if that helps?
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• 2390[14:18:02] <cinap_lenwerk> jelly: no, this is internal debian archiver that we use to distribute our own packages on the network
• 2391[14:18:05] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: yes, the MD5/SHA1 hashes in Release get ignored, but I already saw that it contains SHA256/SHA512, too.
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• 2393[14:18:17] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: It's publicly visible, though.
• 2394[14:18:17] <jelly> Mahe, there are non-security fixes applied in point-release updates for issues that affect a lot of users or make a package unusable or harmful
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• 2397[14:18:30] <cinap_lenwerk> pretn-randall: yes, that is correct, we checked and it contains also sha256 and sha512 hashes.
• 2398[14:18:56] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: I'd check that the Release.gpg also is a correct signature to the Release file.
• 2399[14:19:17] <cinap_lenwerk> prtn-randall: ok, how do we do that?
• 2400[14:19:25] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: petn<tab>
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• 2402[14:19:43] <cinap_lenwerk> gph --verify Release.php Release
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• 2404[14:19:51] <cinap_lenwerk> *pgp*
• 2405[14:19:52] <cinap_lenwerk> :)
• 2406[14:20:18] <cinap_lenwerk> ah
• 2407[14:20:24] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: Download both, then run gpg .. yeah
• 2408[14:20:28] <cinap_lenwerk> ok, the output of that gives a warning
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• 2410[14:20:40] <cinap_lenwerk> WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
• 2411[14:20:52] <cinap_lenwerk> "There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner."
• 2412[14:20:58] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: You should have "gpg: Good signature from ..." somewhere.
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• 2414[14:21:33] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: That part just means there is no direct link between your gpg key and that one used for signing. That's irrelevant for this use case.
• 2415[14:21:33] <Mahe> jelly, how likely is it for a minor release that fixes a freeze issue (e.g. the upstream fix for replaced-url
• 2416[14:21:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2417[14:21:39] <cinap_lenwerk> petn-randall: yes, thats what we get.
• 2418[14:21:48] <cinap_lenwerk> petn-randall: but below that it prints the warning
• 2419[14:22:04] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: Hmm, the signature is ok then.
• 2420[14:22:31] <cinap_lenwerk> yeah
• 2421[14:22:37] <Mahe> currently on stretch thunar is freezing multiple times a day for me, that's not what I'd call stable tbh
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• 2423[14:22:56] <cinap_lenwerk> also straced the apt update process and pgpv prints ok for our key
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• 2425[14:23:38] <jelly> Mahe, you'd have to ask debian's xfce team about that I guess
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• 2427[14:24:24] <Mahe> jelly, ok thank you will do
• 2428[14:25:12] <gregf> I have only_debian boolean true in my preseed.cfg, but it still prompts me to enter a drive for the mbr. Can anyone give me some pointers? replaced-url
• 2429[14:25:36] <jelly> cinap_lenwerk, you actually did gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --verify Release.php Release, right?
• 2430[14:26:20] <petn-randall> *Release.gpg
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• 2443[14:31:51] <BCMM> ftp.uk.debian.org seems to be down... is there any way to have a fallback mirror for situations like this?
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• 2445[14:32:37] <petn-randall> !deb.debian.org
• 2446[14:32:38] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
• 2447[14:32:46] <petn-randall> BCMM: ^^^
• 2448[14:33:04] <BCMM> petn-randall: ah, thanks!
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• 2458[14:43:42] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: Let us know if you found the solution. A few people already mentioned similar bugs with stretch, and I'd like to get to the ground of it.
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• 2462[14:45:18] <cinap_lenwerk> petn-randall: ok, will do
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• 2465[14:45:39] <raidensnake> the UK debian repo server is down
• 2466[14:46:19] <petn-randall> !deb.debian.org
• 2467[14:46:19] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
• 2468[14:46:27] <petn-randall> raidensnake: Use this one. ^^^
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• 2472[14:48:06] <raidensnake> error 503 it gices
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• 2482[14:55:24] <fnlkj> UK is generally bad for IT lately, obviously. The surveillance-woman is certainly the cause of most of this, albeit rarely if ever revealed in full.
• 2483[14:56:21] <jelly> oy, we don't want your surveillance-woman revealed in full
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• 2486[14:56:47] <jelly> family friendly, remember!
• 2487[14:57:04] <jelly> ... also, wrong channel
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• 2490[15:01:05] <cinap_lenwerk> ok, so we now manually ran gpgv and it all checks out
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• 2492[15:01:28] <cinap_lenwerk> this is also consistent to the strace output
• 2493[15:01:44] <cinap_lenwerk> pid 4364] write(2, "gpgv: Good signature from \"debar"..., 73) = 73
• 2494[15:01:44] <cinap_lenwerk> [pid 4364] write(2, "\n", 1) = 1
• 2495[15:01:44] <cinap_lenwerk> [pid 4364] write(3, "[GNUPG:] VALIDSIG 4FF7C42847B4C5"..., 135) = 135
• 2496[15:01:44] <cinap_lenwerk> [pid 4012] <... read resumed> "[GNUPG:] VALIDSIG 4FF7C42847B4C5"..., 4096) = 135
• 2497[15:01:44] <cinap_lenwerk> [pid 4364] exit_group(0 <unfinished ...>
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• 2528[15:18:49] <or4n> Anyone running Debian Stretch on ESXi 6.5? My VM crashes when I try to use apt-get with network sources.
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• 2531[15:19:21] <or4n> It doesn't respond to keyboard, it doesn't even ping anymore after trying "apt-get update".
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• 2533[15:20:00] <or4n> I couldn't even use netinst media to install it.
• 2534[15:21:08] <or4n> I'm now trying again with e1000e nic (used vmxnet3 earlier). Let's see if that helps.
• 2535[15:21:42] <BluesKaj> use a real installation...vm's always have problems
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• 2537[15:22:18] <towo^work> FUD
• 2538[15:22:23] <or4n> Like that's a solution.
• 2539[15:22:54] * jelly slaps BluesKaj
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• 2541[15:23:40] <jelly> or4n, I don't think I have stretch on 6.5 yet, but I have stretch on 6.0u3 and jessie on 6.5d and those work
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• 2547[15:24:34] <or4n> jelly: I have many jessie installations on 5.5u3, and 6.0u3 aswell. This is my first 6.5 setup.
• 2548[15:24:36] <jelly> jessie and stretch both have vmxnet3 drivers by default, do you see anything on the console when that happens?
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• 2550[15:25:12] <or4n> Console just has last text that there was before it hangs.
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• 2556[15:25:59] <jelly> how did you install it then, release upgrade from jessie, or stretch netinst, or some premade image?
• 2557[15:26:16] <jelly> oh, you said not netinst
• 2558[15:26:30] <or4n> stretch netinst
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• 2560[15:27:02] <or4n> but since that hangs in install I downloaded first amd64 dvd.
• 2561[15:27:06] <jelly> or4n, so that worked well enough for installation at least. Did you manage to get open-vm-tools installed?
• 2562[15:27:16] <jelly> probably not
• 2563[15:27:39] <or4n> Fist thing I wanted to do was "apt-get update" and then "apt-get install open-vm-tools" but never got that far.
• 2564[15:27:47] <jelly> :-)
• 2565[15:28:01] <jelly> well, :-( for you
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• 2568[15:28:58] <cinap_lenwerk> ah
• 2569[15:29:00] <jelly> or4n, boot again, but remove "quiet" boot param from the kernel
• 2570[15:29:02] <cinap_lenwerk> new info
• 2571[15:29:08] <cinap_lenwerk> checked the strace
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• 2574[15:29:25] <cinap_lenwerk> one difference is that gpgv returns the line "NEWSIG" after the "VALIDSIG" line
• 2575[15:29:29] <or4n> jelly: It boots ok but hangs after apt tries to update sources.
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• 2577[15:29:46] <cinap_lenwerk> while with our own key, gpgv exits(0) after VALIDSIG line
• 2578[15:29:49] <jelly> or4n, nothing more useful on the console?
• 2579[15:29:58] <or4n> jelly: nope :(
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• 2581[15:30:43] <or4n> jelly: Installing now without network (with e1000e nic). Let's see if I can get this working like this.
• 2582[15:31:27] <jelly> or4n, you can just power off and replace the network card, no need to reinsatll
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• 2584[15:32:04] <or4n> jelly: I know, I just like "clean" install like there was never any issues :D
• 2585[15:32:13] <jelly> don't remember if you can switch an existing card from vmxnet3 back to e1000e when the vm is powered off
• 2586[15:32:18] <or4n> jelly: Also it doesn't take too long to do minimal install.
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• 2588[15:32:52] <jelly> yeah but unless you preseed you have to click through the installer manually
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• 2590[15:33:12] <or4n> jelly: You can't. But you can remove it, change it and then use same mac-address.
• 2591[15:33:22] <jelly> nod
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• 2593[15:33:53] <or4n> Maybe I should take snapshot after this install :D
• 2594[15:34:13] <or4n> Let's see how fast is my new full SSD array :)
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• 2596[15:34:46] <jelly> which EVC level does your ESXi use
• 2597[15:35:06] <cinap_lenwerk> is there any documentation about the status-fd format of gpgv?
• 2598[15:35:26] <cinap_lenwerk> i can reproduce that the debian keys produce "NEWSIG" line output
• 2599[15:35:33] <cinap_lenwerk> while with our key its omited
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• 2603[15:36:22] <or4n> jelly: Broadwell
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• 2611[15:39:42] <JyZyXEL> wtf, how do i stop the flood that comes after you execute "akonadictl restart"?
• 2612[15:39:56] <JyZyXEL> it starts flooding to the terminal it was typed in
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• 2614[15:41:38] <JyZyXEL> ok 'akonadictl stop' and then 'akonadictl start' from krunner did the trick
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• 2620[15:43:20] <glick> i just want php
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• 2622[15:43:41] <petn-randall> glick: You dont'?
• 2623[15:44:14] <glick> no i am using nginx
• 2624[15:44:19] <glick> and i hvae limited disk space
• 2625[15:44:23] <petn-randall> glick: How are you trying to install php?
• 2626[15:44:28] <glick> apt install php
• 2627[15:44:38] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2628[15:44:38] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2629[15:44:51] <petn-randall> glick: Can you provide the info from above? ^^^
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• 2631[15:46:17] <petn-randall> glick: Also, how are you planning on setting up nginx to access php?
• 2632[15:46:44] <glick> not sure yet petn-randall
• 2633[15:46:48] <glick> fastcgi i think
• 2634[15:46:51] <or4n> jelly: No crashes so far with e1000e nic.
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• 2637[15:48:43] <glick> replaced-url
• 2638[15:48:57] <jelly> or4n, nice, consider filing a bug report for linux-image-$(uname -r) package
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• 2645[15:49:32] <petn-randall> glick: Can you also provide 1) and 2)?
• 2646[15:49:33] <jelly> or4n, don't really need vmxnet3 unless you plan to push 10Gbps+ of traffic anyway
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• 2648[15:51:13] <or4n> jelly: Well, I got 10G network. But this VM is just going to monitor network devices so there isn't going to be much traffic.
• 2649[15:52:05] <glick> replaced-url
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• 2660[15:55:07] <petn-randall> glick: That's because php7.0 depends on "libapache2-mod-php7.0 | php7.0-fpm | php7.0-cgi". If you install either php7.0-fpm or php7.0-cgi you don't have to install libapache2-mod-php7.0.
• 2661[15:55:30] <glick> hmm
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• 2664[15:55:37] <glick> petn-randall: which one should i install?
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• 2668[15:55:46] <petn-randall> glick: If you use aptitude it will offer you the other two alternatives. apt(-get) doesn't have such a mechanism.
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• 2670[15:56:02] <petn-randall> glick: Depends on which one you want. Read the package description and pick one.
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• 2677[16:06:43] <DebianCurious233> Hello, can someone help me to guess if is possible and how use an hardware raid with debian ?
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• 2680[16:07:28] <petn-randall> Hi DebianCurious233, just ask your question and someone knowing the answer will respond.
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• 2682[16:07:40] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2683[16:07:41] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2685[16:07:56] <BCMM> DebianCurious233: depends on your raid controller
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• 2687[16:08:19] <DebianCurious233> My controller is "HP Dynamic Smart Array B120i Controller"
• 2688[16:08:33] <DebianCurious233> I'm putting up an HP Gen8 Microserver
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• 2690[16:09:02] <jelly> DebianCurious233, that's a fakeraid controller. Put it into AHCI mode and use Linux md raid instead
• 2691[16:09:21] <DebianCurious233> jelly: i suspected that i had to :\
• 2692[16:09:44] <jelly> last time I looked, HP did not put the driver in open source
• 2693[16:09:51] <DebianCurious233> jelly: for unknown reasons also this machine raise the fan like a boss if is not put in raid mode
• 2694[16:09:56] <jelly> had* not
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• 2697[16:10:33] <jelly> P series of smartarrays are actual hw raid, they use same metadata format
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• 2699[16:10:58] <DebianCurious233> jelly: i see..
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• 2702[16:11:36] <jelly> as for fan issue, I suggest taking it up with HPE support :-(
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• 2704[16:11:59] <DebianCurious233> jelly: Just out of curiosity, i runned the debian installer with the raid option instead of ahci.. the installer saw all drives and i managed to install debian on the ssd positioned on port5.. what if i use the drives in this mode, it could lead to problems ?
• 2705[16:12:06] <jelly> or try to upgrade the firmware and see if it goes away
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• 2707[16:12:52] <DebianCurious233> I mean if i leave the drives without create volumes but leave the option as raid instead ahci
• 2708[16:13:01] <jelly> DebianCurious233, I have no idea really, our DL320 systems that had similar B series controllers were put to AHCI mode
• 2709[16:13:16] <DebianCurious233> jelly: Better play safe uh?
• 2710[16:13:33] <DebianCurious233> it could happen that the machine could make mess in some months..
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• 2714[16:14:34] <DebianCurious233> For a nas what kind of filesystem you suggest? xfs or ext4 ?
• 2715[16:15:09] <verm1n> zfs
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• 2717[16:15:19] <d-d> i use zfs for nas as well
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• 2720[16:16:04] <verm1n> why worry about redundancy and filesystem separately when you can have one system handle both (pretty damn well)
• 2721[16:17:03] <glick> sweeet its coming alive!
• 2722[16:17:38] <DebianCurious233> but zfs doesn't appear in the options among debian supported filesystems
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• 2724[16:17:39] <glick> linode is waaaaay better than that hostgator trash
• 2725[16:17:45] <DebianCurious233> i have to install it after the initial setup ?
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• 2732[16:19:59] <d-d> i think you need to install debian-zfs after initial setup, at least that was what I did for jessie. not sure if it's changed for stretch.
• 2733[16:20:22] <jhutchins_wk> !zfs
• 2734[16:20:23] <dpkg> ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (replaced-url
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• 2741[16:21:23] <DebianCurious233> I see.. actually i don't need to install it for the boot partition too
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• 2744[16:22:16] <DebianCurious233> So i can do a ext4 partition for the root mountpoint and do a pair of zfs for the 2 mdraid
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• 2754[16:25:13] <die7> I know is wrong channel (maybe not since I use debian)..I'm looking for some free claud provider where I can develop auto. debian system povisoning + docker on it
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• 2771[16:32:06] <jhamlin> Hi folks, suddenly when I try to `apt-get update` I get "...Is the package apt-transport-https installed?" It's not, but I don't seem to see any lines with https in my sources. I'm still on Jessie
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• 2777[16:32:34] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2778[16:32:34] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2779[16:32:42] <petn-randall> jhamlin: Can you provide all the info from above? ^^^
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• 2781[16:33:33] <bolt> the bat should provide a tip about pastebinit. very useful when you can't easily copy-paste into a browser
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• 2783[16:33:34] <or4n> jelly: Did some more testing. With virtual hardware version 10 vmxnet3 works. With version 13 I get crash.
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• 2787[16:34:19] <guest3310> To upgrade stretch to testing (not buster), should I comment out any "backports" lines in sources.list, or change them to "testing"?
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• 2789[16:35:15] <mtn> buster is testing ;)
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• 2793[16:35:37] <mtn> and backports are only for stable
• 2794[16:35:43] <jelly> guest3310, comment out.
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• 2796[16:36:05] <guest3310> Yes, but I want to keep track testing, not new stable.
• 2797[16:36:22] <jhamlin> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 2799[16:36:37] <mtn> then change your sources to testing
• 2800[16:36:44] <guest3310> Okay, thanks. Just wanted to make sure.
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• 2802[16:37:22] <jelly> guest3310, it is a lot saner to carefully choose the moment to switch over to testing, every time after a new release
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• 2806[16:37:35] <jelly> and keep tracking by code name
• 2807[16:37:44] <duff> What is the best file system to use when creating a linux flash drive install
• 2808[16:37:53] <DebianCurious420> err i dropped
• 2809[16:37:55] <DebianCurious420> wanted to ask this too
• 2810[16:38:14] <DebianCurious420> I found this error at the boot time: the BIOS has corrupted hw-PMU resources (MSR 38d is 330)
• 2811[16:38:15] <jhutchins_wk> duff: The installer images are iso9660
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• 2814[16:38:36] <jhutchins_wk> duff: The format of the flash drive is irrelevant, it will be overwritten.
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• 2816[16:38:50] <guest3310> jelly: please explain?
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• 2820[16:39:58] <duff> Do you just use grub or syslinux
• 2821[16:40:29] <jhutchins_wk> guest3310: Use the name of the release (currently "buster") instead of "testing".
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• 2825[16:41:19] <jelly> guest3310, switch to "buster" now. Then later, after buster becomes stable, when you feel adventurous switch to "bullseye" which is going to be next testing. And so on.
• 2826[16:41:20] <greycat> .oO(More like "busted", right?)
• 2827[16:41:21] <jhutchins_wk> duff: For what?
• 2828[16:41:40] <duff> for making a mobile flash drive install
• 2829[16:42:15] <jhamlin> petn-randall: If I try to install apt-transport-https I get "The following packages cannot be authenticated! apt-transport-https". So I guess my question is: How do I get out of this loop of badness so that I can update my system?
• 2830[16:42:18] <guest3310> jelly: But then I would be on news table in 2 years, and then have to upgrade to bullseye again. Why not just track testing?
• 2831[16:42:23] <jhutchins_wk> duff: Are you talking about installing to a flash drive rather than creating and installer?
• 2832[16:42:32] <duff> yes
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• 2834[16:43:03] <jhutchins_wk> duff: My first choice would be to use a live image and just write that to the drive.
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• 2836[16:43:12] <jelly> guest3310, beacause you won't notice the moment when your system breaks in horrible ways, then. This way you notice and make an explicit effort.
• 2837[16:43:30] <jhutchins_wk> duff: If you're going to do a manual install, just run the installer and use the default filesystem and bootloader (grub).
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• 2839[16:43:52] <jhutchins_wk> duff: Building a system that uses syslinux/isolinux requires a lot of manual work.
• 2840[16:43:56] <duff> What would be the best driver setting to use for video display
• 2841[16:44:14] <jhutchins_wk> duff: Depends entirely on the hardware.
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• 2845[16:45:25] <jelly> guest3310, if you just want to have access to latest stuff regardless of how broken it may be, and are willing to help fixing it, use sid
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• 2847[16:45:55] <guest3310> jelly: I thought that tracking testing would help avoid a train wreck when buster becomes stable.
• 2848[16:45:59] <petn-randall> jhamlin: No idea really. I have no explanation why apt-get would require https if you have no https in your sources.list. Did you have it set to https at some point?
• 2849[16:46:20] <jelly> guest3310, right after a release is then testing of often _more_ broken than unstable
• 2850[16:46:27] <jelly> s/then/when/
• 2851[16:46:30] <jhamlin> petn-randall: Haven't changed anything in sources is quite some time
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• 2854[16:47:28] <guest3310> I was actually thinking about sid, but thought that testing would be a compromise between newer packages but less stability.
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• 2856[16:47:51] <jelly> depends on the point in time in the release cycle
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• 2858[16:48:27] <jelly> guest3310, you want a somewhat usable rolling release of debian, but that does not exist.
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• 2861[16:48:49] <guest3310> Okay. Maybe I will stable -> testing-> unstable.
• 2862[16:48:52] <jelly> testing is not it.
• 2863[16:48:54] <petn-randall> jhamlin: When did that error start showing up then?
• 2864[16:49:14] <jelly> testing looks like that, some of the time.
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• 2866[16:49:23] <jelly> but isn't really
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• 2868[16:50:37] <guest3310> jelly: Are problems with unstable usually fixable, without major surgery?
• 2869[16:50:48] <jelly> guest3310, i usually wait a couple months after a release to switch to whatever new testing's codename is, on my playground system at home. Also I try to have at least two working computers so when one breaks I can still do work.
• 2870[16:50:50] <greycat> Not always, no.
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• 2874[16:51:12] <jelly> ymmv.
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• 2876[16:51:30] <jhamlin> petn-randall: Shortly after 9 was released I tried to update had a bunch of errors that I can't recall. I didn't do anything for a while and just now tried to update and had the problem
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• 2879[16:51:55] <jelly> guest3310, usually. Once every few years something breaks the whole system horribly, think "libc does not work" break
• 2880[16:52:19] <jelly> !sid faq
• 2881[16:52:19] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 2882[16:52:26] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2883[16:52:26] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2885[16:52:58] <greycat> !break
• 2886[16:52:58] <dpkg> "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page replaced-url
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• 2888[16:53:45] <jhamlin> petn-randall: I'm tempted to just install apt-transport-https despite the fact that it can't authenticate. Is there some other way I can make sure that the package is good? I was looking for an md5 on the packages.debian.org pages but couldn't seem to find one
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• 2890[16:53:51] <guest3310> Okay, so - advice. Stable? Newstable? Testing? Unstable? (Easy to ask, hard to answer ...)
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• 2892[16:54:26] <dondelelcaro> guest3310: start with stable. You can always upgrade later if you want.
• 2893[16:54:30] <petn-randall> guest3310: If you have to ask, always use stable.
• 2894[16:54:37] <guest3310> :)
• 2895[16:54:52] <petn-randall> Actually always use stable unless you want to beta-test packages for Debian.
• 2896[16:55:18] <petn-randall> ... and you're willing to invest a lot more time debugging issues than you'd have with stable.
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• 2899[16:56:16] <jhamlin> petn-randall: doh the md5 is right there at the bottom of the page!
• 2900[16:56:39] <guest3310> Okay, guys. Thanks for the advice.
• 2901[16:56:53] <cinap_lenwerk> god, gnupg is horrible
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• 2914[17:00:14] <DebianCurious420> So i have just a question, in order to use MDADM and create a raid 1 is suggested to create first the partitions and then ask to raid them right ?
• 2915[17:00:31] <DebianCurious420> And the other question is.. can be them to be formatted in zfs after ?
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• 2918[17:00:45] <sypher> DebianCurious420: ZFS has its own raid capability.
• 2919[17:00:50] <DebianCurious420> Can i create the MD raid with the debian gui installer and then format them?
• 2920[17:01:26] <DebianCurious420> sypher: uh? so i should not create the mdm arrays ?
• 2921[17:01:44] <jolt> DebianCurious420: If you want to do raid in zfs, den ignore mdadm
• 2922[17:01:45] <cinap_lenwerk> ooookay
• 2923[17:01:50] <cinap_lenwerk> now we got it working
• 2924[17:02:15] <penguin_linux> hello.. I see that so many distros are based on Debian. It is quite evident that Debian is stable and rock solid and other distros find it the most suitable base to build their distros on. I am curious whether Android OS that is used in mobiles and tables also is based on Debian.
• 2925[17:02:18] <cinap_lenwerk> we installed new gpg2 on another machine and generated a new key...
• 2926[17:02:26] <DebianCurious420> jolt: ok so if you guys can give me some infos, i have a machine with 5 drives.. one ssd and 4 x 4tb hdds
• 2927[17:02:27] <jolt> DebianCurious420: But I don't think you can boot from zfs with debian yet, so if you want to have your root filesystem on raid1, then you need to create that boot and root partition with mdadm and leave free space for zfs
• 2928[17:02:43] <cinap_lenwerk> gpg1 was broken not generating key with SHA256 digest algo
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• 2930[17:02:59] <DebianCurious420> jolt: for that isn't a problem i will install my debian on the ssd normally on ext4
• 2931[17:03:13] <DebianCurious420> jolt: what i want to create are 2 raid 1 using the 4 disks
• 2932[17:03:26] <jolt> DebianCurious420: Alright. THen just install normally on the ssd, and don't touch the 4 hdds.
• 2933[17:03:31] <DebianCurious420> jolt: raid1 (disk 1 and 2) and a raid1 (disk 3 and 4)
• 2934[17:03:47] <jelly> DebianCurious420, so allocate something like 10-15GB out of that ssd for the OS, install, then create zfs later
• 2935[17:03:47] <DebianCurious420> jolt: ok.. once in debian what should be my procedure ?
• 2936[17:03:59] <penguin_linux> is Android based on Debian?
• 2937[17:04:03] <jelly> penguin_linux, no
• 2938[17:04:04] <jolt> DebianCurious420: After the installation, install zfs and then use zfs for the other disks
• 2939[17:04:14] <penguin_linux> ok
• 2940[17:04:31] <DebianCurious420> jolt: do you have a tutorial for that that could you link me ? zfs asks me which drives i wanna use ?
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• 2942[17:04:56] <DebianCurious420> jolt: my goal would be have 2 mountpoints /storageA and /storageB with all the possible space available
• 2943[17:05:20] <jelly> !zfa
• 2944[17:05:22] <jelly> !zfs
• 2945[17:05:44] <greycat> !zfs
• 2946[17:05:44] <dpkg> ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (replaced-url
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• 2949[17:06:01] <DebianCurious420> i have to use zfsutil ?
• 2950[17:06:03] <jelly> DebianCurious420, #zfsonlinux is better channel to ask questions about zfs setup on linux
• 2951[17:06:10] <DebianCurious420> jelly: ok :) thanks
• 2952[17:06:10] <jolt> DebianCurious420: zpool create data mirror /dev/sda4 /dev/sdb4 for example. Just search on how to do it
• 2953[17:06:16] <jolt> And what jelly said
• 2954[17:06:18] <DebianCurious420> jolt: ok thanks
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• 2957[17:06:50] <jolt> DebianCurious420: THere are lots of tweaks for getting the best performance out of it as well
• 2958[17:07:26] <DebianCurious420> jolt: i just need a raid for safe storage.. i'm gonna ship this microserver to my parents house and make a reasonable cost disaster recovery
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• 2960[17:07:52] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: Ah, glad you got it fixed. IIRC you can also tell gnupg1 to use SHA256 (or others), the syntax is just slightly different.
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• 2964[17:08:49] <cinap_lenwerk> petn-randall: it would be nice if apt could tell that it rejects the digest algorithm
• 2965[17:09:18] <cinap_lenwerk> petn-randall: given that gpgv worked fine, but apt didnt... it was quite confusing
• 2966[17:09:18] <jhamlin> petn-randall: Thanks for the help. Looks like I'm back on track.
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• 2968[17:09:23] <greycat> Are you talking about replaced-url
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• 2991[17:18:09] <cinap_lenwerk> petn-randall: anyway, thanks for your support.
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• 2993[17:18:44] <petn-randall> cinap_lenwerk: You're welcome! Come back if you need any help with Debian.
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• 2995[17:19:04] <petn-randall> *feel free to
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• 3058[17:46:12] <SirCmpwn> so I put together a sid root with debootstrap from an arch linux host
• 3059[17:46:27] <SirCmpwn> then started it with systemd-nspawn -nbD and enabled+started systemd-{networkd,resolvd}
• 3060[17:46:51] <SirCmpwn> I have an IP address but I cannot ping anything, resolve names, or establish TCP connections
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• 3063[17:48:43] <petn-randall> SirCmpwn: Does router as shown in 'ip route' on the Debian container support NAT, and does it have IP forwarding enable?
• 3064[17:48:46] <petn-randall> +d
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• 3066[17:49:19] <SirCmpwn> how would I find out?
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• 3068[17:49:45] <greycat> probably by using it as a router from some other system, e.g. that arch host
• 3069[17:49:56] <SirCmpwn> well, the arch host is what I'm talking to you via now
• 3070[17:50:01] <SirCmpwn> presumably networking works
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• 3074[17:50:55] <petn-randall> SirCmpwn: Did you set up NAT and forwarding on the Arch machine? If not, it's not there.
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• 3078[17:51:30] <SirCmpwn> I did not take any special steps on the arch host
• 3079[17:51:40] <SirCmpwn> in the past I haven't had to in order to get networking to work via systemd-nspawn
• 3080[17:51:44] <SirCmpwn> what steps do I need to take?
• 3081[17:51:46] <petn-randall> SirCmpwn: If you can ping the router on the Debian container, but nothing else, that's the issue.
• 3082[17:52:07] <SirCmpwn> I can indeed ping the router
• 3083[17:52:49] <petn-randall> SirCmpwn: Can you ping 8.8.8.8?
• 3084[17:52:59] <SirCmpwn> no
• 3085[17:53:18] <SirCmpwn> ~ > sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward
• 3086[17:53:19] <SirCmpwn> net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
• 3087[17:53:21] <SirCmpwn> on the host
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• 3090[17:54:00] <petn-randall> SirCmpwn: Yeah, and likely also some NAT firewall rule, assuming systemd-nspawn creates a private subnet (I haven't used it yet).
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• 3113[18:03:16] <yokisuci> :S
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• 3195[18:34:45] <SirCmpwn> petn-randall et al: checked my iptables rules, nothing there
• 3196[18:35:18] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3198[18:35:29] <greycat> you should really be asking in the Arch channel though
• 3199[18:35:36] <SirCmpwn> alright, I'll hop over there
• 3200[18:35:38] <SirCmpwn> thanks
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• 3202[18:36:57] <CDanU> Hi, is it possible to subscribe to a specific package only in the bug tracker?
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• 3206[18:38:06] <CDanU> ... without a debian account.
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• 3214[18:42:39] <Epakai> replaced-url
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• 3216[18:46:09] <CDanU> Epakai: thanks
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• 3224[18:50:58] <easyly> naber oclar
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• 3237[18:54:08] <knstn> does debian-stretch in lxc functions different in policies than normal installation? i have some issues with adding user and it's default settings
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• 3240[18:56:10] <knstn> it didn't provide a username / password so i had to attach as root, but i want to ssh it. if i add a user as root i have some issues with default dir
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• 3243[18:56:45] <greycat> Skip ahead to the actual issue.
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• 3245[18:57:33] <knstn> it doesn't find /home/user even if it exists at /etc/passwd
• 3246[18:57:54] <greycat> Are you saying the home dir is not *created*? What command are you running?
• 3247[18:58:06] <pie3> Act#1
• 3248[18:58:07] <pie3> <pie3> i dont have wired internet connection on laptop
• 3249[18:58:07] <pie3> <pie3> so i turned on wifi from keyboard
• 3250[18:58:07] <pie3> <pie3> how to find out list of wifi networks from terminal
• 3251[18:58:07] <pie3> <pie3> how to connect and disconnect to a specific wifi network found in the range
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• 3254[18:58:18] <Aebian> 'sudo apt-cache search' can I search for descriptions also somehow?
• 3255[18:58:45] <greycat> That does search descriptions. To make it *not* search descriptions, you have to add --names-only
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• 3258[18:58:53] <greycat> Also you don't need to be root for apt-cache search.
• 3259[18:59:02] <knstn> greycat: as root:useradd with the default settings
• 3260[18:59:07] <Guest79810> I need your helps to understand : Conditions which may prevent Kdump to create a vmcore automatically ? I have spontaneous reboots with no vmcore...
• 3261[18:59:23] <greycat> useradd is the low-level tool. It doesn't do anything fancy like creating home dirs. Use adduser (the high-level tool), or make the home dir yourself.
• 3262[18:59:46] <Aebian> wuut? you sure? I tought that just searches for package names...
• 3263[19:00:38] <Aebian> ok then just my search term is wrong I guess. I just tried to search for perl libraries
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• 3265[19:00:48] <knstn> greycat: i learn something new each time in here.all this time i thought useradd/adduser was the same . Thanks
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• 3271[19:02:26] <pie3> Act#1 i dont have wired internet connection on laptop; so i turned on wifi from keyboard; how to find out list of wifi networks from terminal how to connect and disconnect to a specific wifi network found in the range;help me to do activity thru linux terminal instead of gui; i want to do everything (regualr activity) thru terminal;to learn about linux
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• 3289[19:09:16] <knstn> adduser > useradd
• 3290[19:09:27] <knstn> now i can ssh it
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• 3293[19:11:11] <`Kevin> manpage :)
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• 3296[19:11:27] <`Kevin> comparing oranges to apples
• 3297[19:12:16] <knstn> now i run 4 OS:fedora+debian+ubuntu+centos
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• 3314[19:21:48] <ElDiabolo> How do I configure apt.get to use a few packages (3) from jessie while the rest is from stretch.
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• 3316[19:22:25] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: Actually, you run four "distributions" or versions of the same OS: Linux.
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• 3321[19:24:37] <greycat> I call them operating systems. Debian calls itself an operating system.
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• 3325[19:25:36] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Which it is, it's Linux.
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• 3330[19:26:14] <dontknow> it is gnu/linux
• 3331[19:26:14] <greycat> Linux is a kernel.
• 3332[19:26:26] <greycat> Debian is an operating system.
• 3333[19:26:46] <zifxify> dontknow: great nick
• 3334[19:26:47] <awal1> in fact, linux is just a kernel. Debian GNU-Linux OS
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• 3336[19:27:47] <awal1> + debian kfree-bsd, debian gnu-hurd
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• 3343[19:29:39] <ElDiabolo> Actually, Linux without GNU includes Android.
• 3344[19:30:16] <th0r> I don't care how long it has been...it is still fun watching blind men describe an elephant
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• 3346[19:31:00] <bolt> actually, in fact
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• 3357[19:32:59] <duff> is broadcom BCM4352 supported by the linux kernel?
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• 3359[19:33:47] <greycat> !bcm4352
• 3360[19:33:47] <dpkg> Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the Broadcom BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228, BCM43142, BCM4331, BCM4352 and BCM4360 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see replaced-url
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• 3362[19:34:32] <duff> Is it better to go with the opensource driver?
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• 3367[19:35:49] <zifxify> duff: there's no support for your card
• 3368[19:35:55] <zifxify> b43
• 3369[19:36:34] <duff> broadcom has a non free driver on their website would I have to use that version to get it working?
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• 3373[19:38:02] <zifxify> duff: replaced-url
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• 3379[19:41:13] <duff> How can you add debian gpg keys ?
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• 3381[19:42:43] <flashdance93> I am a bit new to the modern systems, I'm curious to find out if there is a made downloadable iso for the latest release of Debian for bootable thumb drive not live but fresh install make usb boot.
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• 3388[19:45:52] <tremolo> I believe that most of the debian installers can be written to a flash disk and installed from.
• 3389[19:46:19] <duff> two usb drives one with Debian netinstall and the usb you want to install it with
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• 3391[19:46:43] <greycat> Or a CD/DVD and the USB "drive" that you want to install onto.
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• 3393[19:47:09] <greycat> Surely I can't be the only one who still has a good-sized stack of CDs just sitting there waiting.
• 3394[19:47:13] <tremolo> Oh, is a flash disk the installation target?
• 3395[19:47:27] <greycat> It's hard to tell. I assumed it was.
• 3396[19:47:29] <duff> What's a dvd ?
• 3397[19:47:37] <greycat> It's like a CD but it holds more.
• 3398[19:47:50] <greycat> The good news is, the netinst still fits on a CD.
• 3399[19:48:15] <tremolo> duff: It's like a low-capacity bluray.
• 3400[19:48:45] <flashdance93> Thank you !!! Thought it was just myself, but it's a bit of struggle with solid state laptops...
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• 3403[19:49:31] <greycat> solid state... so you *don't* actually want to install *onto* a USB drive, then?
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