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37[00:28:13] <Numline1> Hey guys! I'm using TrueNAS SCALE, which is a Debian based appliance and I've been trying to set up a sudo access for my ansible user
38[00:28:46] <Numline1> I've basically added the user, did 'usermod -aG sudo ansible' and thought that's it, however whenever I try to execute a sudo command, it asks for a password and then it says the user doesn't have permission to execute such command
39[00:29:19] <Numline1> Basically when I try "sudo su" it fails with "Sorry, user ansible is not allowed to execute '/bin/su' as root on truenas.local"
40[00:29:31] <Numline1> Any ideas on what might be causing this? Thank you!
41[00:30:00] <Numline1> oh, and I also added /etc/sudoers.d/ansible with "ansible ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL" as its content
42[00:30:02] <Numline1> just to be sure
43[00:31:36] <Elmo40> hi. i have a dual-boot system (win10 + deb10). When I perform apt-get update and such, grub2 becomes messed up because it made a new grub.cfg file. I use a liveUSB to mv my copied cfg file over and it boots up how it should. Any idea why grub.cfg gets re-written like that?
44[00:32:18] <Elmo40> s/copied/backup
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47[00:36:04] <sparky> openSuse did something like that to me (broke MBR) on every update.
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54[00:52:50] <n4dir> Elmo40 because it states at the very top to not edit that file?
55[00:54:02] <uxfi> qror
56[00:54:04] <uxfi> o/qror
57[00:54:06] <Elmo40> I only do the normal apt-get update/upgrade. The next reboot it goes to the grub terminal. I don't edit the cfg file at all and grub was not even in the upgrade list.
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61[00:57:07] <n4dir> at least one time grub.cfg must have been set up correct then
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63[00:58:41] <n4dir> it getting rewritten is nothing unusual though
64[00:58:42] <abrotman> Numline1: did user logout/login after doing that?
65[00:59:03] <mutante> Numline1: a couple thoughts.. a) when you type "id ansible" does it show ansible as member of sudo group b) check if in /etc/sudoers/ the line "includedir /etc/sudoers.d" is actually not commented out c) when editing sudoers file use "visudo", do not edit directly with text editor
66[00:59:33] <Numline1> abrotman: yessir. However I've been able to add a user using the TrueNAS web UI which has "sudo" option there, so I'll try to figure out what exactly happened differently (since it works now)
67[01:00:19] <Numline1> mutante: yes for the first two, regarding the visudo - that's a good point
68[01:00:40] <Numline1> either way, it seems to be working now, so I'll try to reverse-engineer the process so I can add user using ansible. Thanks guys!
69[01:01:11] <mutante> glad it works, np
70[01:02:10] <mutante> Numline1: shouldn't the ansible package do this as part of postinstall?
71[01:03:02] <Numline1> mutante: honestly, it's possible. What I've been doing so far is setting up the latter steps of the installation
72[01:03:15] <Numline1> basically to have ansible access for the first time, it needs a user that's able to control the server
73[01:03:37] <Numline1> I could have some modified installers that create the default user, but that'd probably be too complicated for my use case
74[01:03:54] <mutante> Numline1: you installed ansible itself using APT or some other method?
75[01:04:25] <Numline1> mutante: the ansible is installed locally on my mac, since it doesn't require any server-side package or anything
76[01:04:39] <Numline1> so I basically did a clear install of TrueNAS using IPMI KVM and that's about it
77[01:04:50] <Numline1> I just need Ansible to install some additional packages and configure some sys variables
78[01:05:38] <mutante> Numline1: ok, I would claim you wouln't have to do this manual stuff if you'd use Debian for all of it
79[01:07:26] <Numline1> mutante: yeah, but it's honestly about effort vs benefit for me
80[01:07:47] <Numline1> I'll have a look at some postinstall stuff somewhere in 2021 as a weekend project :)
81[01:07:52] <Numline1> But thanks for your suggestions :)
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156[02:34:36] <karlpinc> Noscript seems to be broken in my debian firefox-esr. Or, at least when I go to python.org, which always seems to trigger noscript, the noscript icon in the firefox bar does not seem to do anything. Or do anything at any other time for that matter.
157[02:34:51] <karlpinc> And noscript does not seem to be blocking js from python.org.
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164[02:45:30] <karlpinc> Any clues?
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202[03:16:07] <karlpinc> Sheesh. I can't even figure out any more how to get firefox to tell me about itself. (Having forgotten the "about:..." url.) I don't really care, but you'd think there'd be an easy way to tell what version is running. (I can find out from apt, but that's not the issue.)
203[03:18:18] <PipeItToDevNull> How can I edit the grub menu when using grub-efi. My end goal is a live-build template but I need to start somewhere
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208[03:23:37] <Swift110-mobile> thatas cool I need to mop my floor
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268[04:19:26] <hammond> how can i set it up so i can get the latest JRE for java?
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270[04:23:43] <karlpinc> hammond: The latest from debian or the latest from the upstream authors?
271[04:23:52] <jaggz> what wsa the package where you'll get more sharing options in the Share menu areas?
272[04:25:49] <jmcnaught> !java-package
273[04:25:49] <dpkg> java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. replaced-url
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275[04:25:59] <jmcnaught> hammond: ^ that might still work
276[04:26:31] <hammond> heh i needed java 13
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278[04:29:23] <karlpinc> hammond: Yeah, but the idea is to package for debian so you don't break things. (The place I'd look is wiki.debian.org, but that's a random guess.)
279[04:29:39] <foxide> java 13 isn't available in buster.
280[04:30:42] <foxide> !checkbackport openjdk-13-jdk
281[04:30:48] <foxide> I know there's a bot for this...
282[04:31:07] <alex11> ,checkbackport openjdk-13-jdk
283[04:32:05] <judd> Backporting package openjdk-13-jdk in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-10 <!cross>, openjdk-13-jdk-headless:native | openjdk-12-jdk-headless:native, openjdk-13-jdk-headless <cross>.
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285[04:32:37] <alex11> there's a java version manager, i forget what it is though
286[04:33:13] <sponix> Anyone looking for zfs 2.0.1 backported to buster ?
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292[04:48:08] <Vatum> after hibernation with xfce on debian sometimes i lose internet connectivity (even after waking up the machine)
293[04:48:44] <Vatum> or was it suspension? i just pressed enter, to wake it up, not the power button
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308[05:06:01] <jaggz> oh, I meant in the Export or Share -> More online services. There's some package which adds a dozen or so additional options there.
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400[07:15:45] <serafeim> hello friends
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408[07:25:28] <serafeim> hello friends. this ain't really related to the # but... what should i install? mysql or mariadb ?
409[07:25:47] <serafeim> i'm only using postgres but "mysql" is needed for some php app i need installing
410[07:25:55] <sponix2ipfw> serafeim: mariadb
411[07:26:11] <serafeim> could you clarify a bit?
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413[07:26:42] <yogoyo> !mariadb
414[07:26:42] <dpkg> MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended as backward compatible drop-in replacement. Packages are available for Debian 8 "Jessie" and later releases. replaced-url
415[07:27:27] <serafeim> !mysqldb
416[07:27:33] <serafeim> !mysql
417[07:27:34] <dpkg> mysql is probably a fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It is the world's most popular open source database. To install, ask me about <install mysql>. replaced-url
418[07:27:51] <serafeim> !install mysql
419[07:27:51] <dpkg> To install the MySQL server, "aptitude install mysql-server". You might also want to "aptitude install php5-mysql" and ask me about <install apache> <install php>. Also check out the <phpmyadmin> package. See also <mysql checking>, <mysql memory usage>.
420[07:28:22] <serafeim> ok it seems that both mariadb and mysql can be installed from the repos
421[07:28:31] <yogoyo> yes
422[07:28:55] <serafeim> so i should just install mariadb because it's not oracle ?
423[07:29:00] <serafeim> or there's another reason
424[07:29:19] <sponix2ipfw> That is the main reason for me
425[07:29:41] <serafeim> ha ha ha yes that's also reason enough for me but are there any advantages ?
426[07:30:29] <sponix2ipfw> I'm sure they will function the same for your needs
427[07:30:45] <serafeim> ok thank you
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639[11:14:12] <Deknos> does anyone know if there's a (paid?) (debian) repository service, where i also could upload more packages? uploading to canonical means giving canonical the rights to the packages, as far as i know
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643[11:16:08] <Deknos> i have no problems BUILDING the packages, but i cannot run a repo service myself.
644[11:17:06] <ratrace> Deknos: so you're talking about packaging proprietary software?
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646[11:17:53] <H4ndy> Deknos: some quick google found this company: replaced-url
647[11:18:20] <Deknos> ratrace, if propetiary: i have the rights.
648[11:18:26] <H4ndy> not exactly cheap tho 🤔
649[11:18:32] <Deknos> H4ndy, apparently your googlefu is better than mine. >.<
650[11:18:33] <Deknos> thanks
651[11:19:10] <H4ndy> If you expect higher traffic you may be able to slap Cloudflare infront of it to cache downloads
652[11:19:24] <H4ndy> and safe on the higher package tiers there
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655[11:20:14] <Deknos> H4ndy, which keywords did you use on google?
656[11:20:22] <Deknos> i used "paid debian repository service"...
657[11:20:25] <H4ndy> managed debian repository hosting
658[11:20:44] <Deknos> gna.
659[11:20:45] <Deknos> thanks.
660[11:20:46] <H4ndy> "managed" is usually the keyword for paid hosting
661[11:21:06] <petn-randall> Deknos: Just install mini-dinstall from Debian. You can pay me later.
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665[11:21:39] <jelly> Deknos, replaced-url
666[11:22:01] <jelly> if you just need to host premade .deb, no idea
667[11:22:19] <themill> or aptly or reprepro
668[11:22:51] <jelly> are those services or just software that can be used to make repos
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670[11:23:40] <Deknos> aptly and reprepro are just software. i would need a service which hosts the repos
671[11:23:48] <idlestranger> I really don't understand why drive space is so wildly incosistant across software. I have a blank 16TB drive, formatted ext4, should have 14.4TB usable space. glances reports it accordingly but also says 18.1MB of that is used despite having no files (hidden or otherwise) on the drive. nemo says 15.1TB free space, thunar says 13.7TB free space ... all on the same disk. Can someone enlighten me as to
672[11:23:54] <idlestranger> why i'm seeing so many wildly different values?
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674[11:24:26] <jelly> Deknos, is the software freely redistributable? how much monthly traffic and how much space?
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677[11:26:08] <jelly> idlestranger, at least two factors are in play: units, TB vs TiB; space reservation for root
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679[11:27:07] <jelly> idlestranger, even using different settings when "formatting ext4" will yield significant differences in available block space
680[11:27:14] * daysun is hungry and spreads jelly on a peanut butter sandwich
681[11:27:26] <daysun> jelly: bech'a neva heard that 1 befo'!
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690[11:33:47] <ratrace> jelly is often spread thin in this channel. often by me. one day he'll snap and he'll disconnect my power supply.
691[11:34:27] <daysun> ratrace: that's one of the weaknesses of SCP-079 (you)
692[11:35:00] <daysun> can't be easy to spread on a sandie every day
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694[11:35:59] <daysun> Can't be easy for D[_] either. D[_] and jelly complement each other pretty well. Just need some sugar, a butter_knife and so forth.
695[11:36:20] <daysun> gah.. sorry, not intended to drag this channel off-topic.
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700[11:40:14] <Deknos> jelly, well, it's software/distribution of a wellknown municipial project who think about opensourcing their client and deploymentsystem. but atm there is copyrighted data in the system (VMs and images) (which will be removed). but still, some fear that the possibility of potential data which is copyrighted will keep some providers of serving that content.
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704[11:43:18] <Deknos> we talk here about a desktop wallpaper which is a shilouette of a city for example.
705[11:44:03] <idlestranger> everyone knows the greyscale and red world timezone map is a better wallpaper
706[11:44:06] <idlestranger> =P
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718[12:02:55] <idlestranger> anyway there shouldn't be any space reservation for root which is on a different drive should there? and units (TB vs TiB) doesn't account for the wildly different values. eg 14.4TB should be 13.09 or 13.1 TiB depending on rounding method, which doesn't explain 13.7TB shown by thunar and nothing I can think of explains the 15.1TB shown by nemo. perhaps it's more likely raw byte sizes arn't being
719[12:03:01] <idlestranger> calculated with the proper percision in some applications? eg not using doubles for byte counts? don't have anything handy to test typecasting bytecounts of that magnitute. I guess if I want a proper answer I'll have to dig into the source of each. My curiosity hasn't reached that point just yet.
720[12:03:14] <jelly> Deknos, (c) does not matter too much, but licensing does and all the components have to allow redistribution (so, for example, you can't have oracle jdk inside)
721[12:04:07] <jelly> idlestranger, there's always a percentage reserved for the root _user_; that can be modified.
722[12:05:29] <jelly> idlestranger, look at "df" and "df -i" now, then go reformat with mkfs.ext4 -t huge or even -t largefile4, then compare both "df" and "df -i"
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724[12:05:47] <idlestranger> Jelly, oh? would you be so kind as to elaborate how- nevermind you're ahead of me. many thanks.
725[12:07:06] <jelly> idlestranger, sorry, tune2fs -m ... changes the root reservation percentage. -t manages the inode tables on ext4, they are part of metadata and take up quite a bit of the total space
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729[12:07:53] <jelly> idlestranger, also nice to look at: dumpe2fs -h /dev/whatever
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733[12:10:55] <idlestranger> jelly, much appreciated
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831[13:52:38] <marduk> debian is the best as I always said before
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840[14:00:47] <Haohmaru> okay, ur going to heaven
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907[15:05:01] <daft_dutch> Hi, i noticed that google has blocked all lightweight browsers i tried from debian.
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915[15:08:25] <lowin> google blocks webkit I believe
916[15:09:17] <zykotick9> lowin: oh, this is real? w3m works just fine, I consider it lightweight ;)
917[15:10:16] <ksk> ,info googler
918[15:10:20] <judd> Package googler (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: Power tool to Google (Web & News) and Google Site Search from the terminal. Version: 3.7.1-1; Size: 42.7k; Installed: 124k; Homepage: replaced-url
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921[15:13:49] <EdePopede> links2 [-g] works
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923[15:14:26] <T-zef> is OFTC server down ?
924[15:14:40] <T-zef> i can't connect
925[15:15:15] <zykotick9> T-zef: OFTC is working here...
926[15:15:15] <petn-randall> T-zef: It's up and running.
927[15:15:40] <T-zef> i get this : * *** Banned autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2021-01-25 22:50:43)* Closing Link: 202.153.81.253 (Banned)
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929[15:16:27] <EdePopede> if it was down you wouldn't get an answer ;)
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931[15:17:24] <EdePopede> googler looks nice btw. looks like what i'd want to use
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937[15:18:09] <foxide> T-zef: Are you using a VPN to connect?
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939[15:19:23] <T-zef> foxide what is a VNP ?
940[15:20:25] <T-zef> normally i connect normally no problem
941[15:21:04] <T-zef> also the same with quakenet...
942[15:21:08] <foxide> You're connecting from an IP owned by an infrastructure and hosting provider in Qatar. So either you're sitting in a datacenter, or you're acting ignorant on purpose.
943[15:21:43] <T-zef> yes my internet is from Ooredoo
944[15:21:47] <T-zef> in Maldives
945[15:21:56] <T-zef> we depend from Qatar
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948[15:22:50] <foxide> Didn't realize they were an ISP.
949[15:23:08] <foxide> My mistake. Anyway, OFTC has listed that IP address as the source of spam. You'll have to take it up with them somehow.
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951[15:25:28] <T-zef> naaaa
952[15:25:40] <T-zef> i am a debian sid user
953[15:26:11] <T-zef> i use debian since 2013, i never did anything wrong , why is that...
954[15:26:42] <T-zef> how can i get back there?
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956[15:27:06] <T-zef> i can't ask abour Sid here, isn't it...
957[15:28:03] <foxide> Asking here isn't likely to help you. This is Freenode, not OFTC.
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961[15:28:58] <T-zef> yes i know, here it say : | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
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963[15:29:19] <T-zef> then i get for my mood now...
964[15:29:36] <T-zef> anyway, nevermind
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966[15:30:50] <T-zef> oh i see
967[15:30:55] <T-zef> haha
968[15:32:14] <T-zef> one guy took me in many chanels for a story of assaultcube
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970[15:32:43] <T-zef> it's ok then, will try to fix it
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1025[16:11:30] <introom> hi. It seems to me that the docker cli (not the engine) package does not exist in debian?
1026[16:12:19] <vexter> introom, you can use the docker packet for to connect others dockers hosts
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1028[16:13:12] <introom> vexter: packet ?
1029[16:13:15] <introom> package ?
1030[16:13:17] <vexter> yeapz
1031[16:13:19] <vexter> package
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1033[16:13:52] <introom> is there a light weight one that only includes the cli but not the engine?
1034[16:14:05] <hanasaki> in debian exim, which file does this go in ? where? auth_over_tls_hosts = *
1035[16:14:30] <vexter> introom, i dont know
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1037[16:14:46] <vexter> i only use the docker package
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1039[16:15:48] <vexter> introom, replaced-url
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1043[16:17:53] <Vatum> can someone explain to me how pid files in /var/run are actually used? a program i use in its config file has the option to use a pid file in /var/run or disable it altogether. and in different distros its either active or not
1044[16:18:37] <koollman> Vatum: typical usage: the pid of the service is written there so that scripts can check wether it is already running, or dead
1045[16:18:58] <vexter> Vatum, Usually these files contain the process pid number
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1047[16:19:28] <Vatum> ejabberd from debian repositorires enables this pid file in /var/run, ejabberd .deb package from upstream doesn't (in its config)
1048[16:19:42] <Vatum> and i cant find nowehere online if this pid file is actually needed to run
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1064[16:34:20] <hop> Vatum: it's not needed to run (unless the service bails when it can't create it). it's usually "needed" to stop or signal the service or prevent it from being started twice…
1065[16:34:35] <hop> also, the canonical path is /run, now
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1069[16:36:12] <Vatum> hop, systemd doesn't need pid files though
1070[16:36:23] <Vatum> it supervises processes, and their children
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1080[16:40:08] <introom> vexter: seems debian does not containt hat package.
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1086[16:45:39] <jezebel> why does debian disable nested kvm by default?
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1088[16:47:25] <petn-randall> jezebel: How so? AFAIK it's a feature your CPU needs to support.
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1093[16:48:31] <jezebel> i ont have /etc/modprobe.d/kvm_intel.conf with options kvm_intel nested=y
1094[16:48:41] <jezebel> hmmm maybe
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1097[16:50:47] <jezebel> i'm on ivy bridge cpu
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1193[18:09:09] <johnfg> hi folks
1194[18:09:18] <johnfg> I'm running buster, all updates.
1195[18:10:03] <yogoyo> conrats
1196[18:10:15] <johnfg> here in the U.S. What's the best lines to add to my sources.list for sid? I need to add the openafs-client from there, as the current release doesn't work any longer.
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1199[18:10:39] <sney> johnfg: mixing sid with buster is a recipe for disaster.
1200[18:11:01] <sney> you can do this though, to rebuild individual packages for buster:
1201[18:11:03] <sney> !ssb
1202[18:11:03] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1204[18:11:20] <foxide> ,checkbackport openafs-client
1205[18:11:21] <judd> Backporting package openafs-client in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
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1207[18:11:31] <johnfg> sney: I know there are dangers, but the version that's on buster is outdated.
1208[18:12:03] <sney> "there are dangers" doesn't cover it. apt will try to update as much as it can to sid when you have that source enabled. you will end up with a broken mix of packages 3+ years apart.
1209[18:12:04] <foxide> It's not "dangers," its "guaranteed nonfunctional system."
1210[18:12:15] <foxide> !dontbreakdebian
1211[18:12:15] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is replaced-url
1212[18:12:29] <johnfg> foxide: So, that pkg is *not* available then?
1213[18:12:43] <sney> johnfg: again, read dpkg's response, it shows you how to rebuild it for buster
1214[18:12:52] <foxide> It can't be backported.
1215[18:12:54] <sney> the "build-depends: debhelper-compat" is a red herring
1216[18:12:58] <foxide> Oh, is it?
1217[18:13:00] <sney> ya
1218[18:13:05] <foxide> Cool, there you go.
1219[18:13:10] <johnfg> I get it, I really do. But that being said, my debian server is serving out openafs cells, but the clients can't access them.
1220[18:13:22] <foxide> Follow the ssb process.
1221[18:13:42] <sney> if your debian server is actively serving clients, the *last thing* you want to do is mix it with sid
1222[18:13:59] <mutante> buster is stable, sid is experimental, there is something in between called "testing"
1223[18:14:08] <sney> mutante: no, sid is unstable.
1224[18:14:22] <sney> experimental is not even a full branch, just a staging area for assorted stuff
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1226[18:14:57] <yogoyo> !openafs
1227[18:14:58] <dpkg> The Andrew File System (AFS) is a distributed network file system primarily used in distributed computing. The open source AFS implementation 'OpenAFS' is packaged for Debian. replaced-url
1228[18:15:15] <sney> and yes, in between there is testing, which will become debian 11 in <1 year, it's pretty usable, but still not a great idea to try to upgrade a production server on the fly
1229[18:15:21] <johnfg> Here's what happened, in brief, from the folks at #openafs, 12:05 < kaduk> johnfg: there was a time-bomb in the code for 6 years and it went off last week.
1230[18:15:32] <mutante> you are correct, the point was though that he doesn't need to jump from buster right away to sid
1231[18:16:08] <johnfg> 2:01 < meffie> sorry johnfg, yes, you will need to update the clients to 1.8.7 (or 1.8.6-5 on debian and ubuntu)
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1233[18:16:19] <sney> johnfg: I believe you, that you need to upgrade it. follow the ssb process. that is how to upgrade it on stable.
1234[18:17:18] <yogoyo> ,v openafs
1235[18:17:19] <judd> No package named 'openafs' was found in amd64.
1236[18:17:37] <sney> (if you don't want to have a toolchain and devscripts cruft on your production server, use a buster vm to rebuild the package instead of your server.)
1237[18:17:51] <sney> ,v openafs-client
1238[18:17:52] <judd> Package: openafs-client on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.9-2+deb8u7; jessie-security: 1.6.9-2+deb8u9; stretch: 1.6.20-2+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.6.20-2+deb9u2; buster: 1.8.2-1; bullseye: 1.8.6-5; sid: 1.8.6-5
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1242[18:18:53] <johnfg> So, it looks like both bullseye and sid have the version I need.
1243[18:19:00] <sney> !ssb
1244[18:19:00] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1245[18:19:22] <johnfg> But y'all would still recommend sney's way, with the ssb process?
1246[18:19:32] <sney> there it is again for good measure. steps 1 through 5 will give you a .deb of openafs-client, in the sid/bullseye version, compiled for buster.
1247[18:20:03] <foxide> johnfg: Yes. That or break your box, seems like an easy decision.
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1249[18:20:09] <johnfg> Ok, I'll do that then.
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1251[18:20:51] <sney> johnfg: as an aside, did the #openafs people cite a link for that 'time bomb'? it should be reported to debian as well
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1254[18:22:08] <johnfg> sney: They did not, but can ask them.
1255[18:22:22] <johnfg> Is my sources list line ok: deb-src replaced-url
1256[18:22:39] <sney> yep
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1260[18:26:11] <johnfg> Do I need to enable debian-backports, since we know the pkg isn't there?
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1262[18:26:58] <sney> backports is included in these instructions for build dependencies, it may not be needed in this case. you can try the 'apt build-dep' step without it, then if that fails, go back and enable backports
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1268[18:31:05] <johnfg> E: Unable to find a source package for openafs-client-1.8.6-5
1269[18:32:06] <johnfg> I added the line for sid, ran apt update, build-essential was already installed and latest, then ran, 'apt build-dep openafs-client-1.8.6-5' and got that error.
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1271[18:32:39] <johnfg> do I need to tell apt to use sid? Is that with the -t sid flag?
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1275[18:34:06] <jelly> johnfg, are you sure that's the package name
1276[18:34:24] <jelly> -1.8.6-5 bit looks more like a version
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1278[18:35:44] <johnfg> jelly: how do I find the pkg name then?
1279[18:36:14] <jelly> johnfg, maybe start with openafs-client
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1282[18:37:09] <johnfg> When I search for that, it returns the current client: openafs-client/stable,stable,now 1.8.2-1 amd64 [installed]
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1284[18:37:25] <jelly> how are you searching
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1286[18:37:36] <johnfg> apt search openafs-client
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1289[18:38:07] <jelly> that seraches for avaiable binary packages. Try apt-cache showsrc ...
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1291[18:40:35] <johnfg> I do see it there, but how do I do the build-dep for it?
1292[18:41:27] <jelly> apt build-dep packagename
1293[18:41:33] <jelly> just the like bot said
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1295[18:42:25] <jelly> apt defaults to the latest version available in absence of other configuration items that would change that
1296[18:43:12] <johnfg> jelly: So just 'apt build-dep openafs-client' should do it?
1297[18:43:19] <jelly> yes
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1299[18:45:41] <johnfg> And then, per the bot also, I'll run 'apt -b unstable openafs-client'?
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1301[18:46:34] <sney> apt -b source
1302[18:47:12] <sney> 'apt source' is tells apt to download the source package, and -b stands for build.
1303[18:47:58] <jelly> 4) apt -b source packagename
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1305[18:48:38] <jelly> I prefer to separate apt source package from the build step, but there's only so much space available in a single irc line
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1307[18:50:20] <johnfg> cool! building 1.8.6-5 now.
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1313[18:53:29] <jelly> 12:05 < kaduk> johnfg: there was a time-bomb in the code for 6 years and it went off last week. # o.O
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1317[18:55:03] <jelly> that probably needs to be patched in buster as well
1318[18:55:10] <johnfg> jelly: did you see that I pasted that above?
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1320[18:55:37] <jelly> that's where I copied it from
1321[18:55:41] <johnfg> As kaduk is the maintainer of the pkg, I just mentioned that to him.
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1325[18:57:58] <jelly> debian maintainer?
1326[18:58:43] <sney> apparently, tracker.debian.org/openafs
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1330[19:00:35] <materhyu> Hi everyone, I have a question about instruction given on the wiki for Optimus-driver: should one install "nvidia-driver" before installing "bumblebee-nvidia primus" ? I've just been pointed this out by a #bumblebee user and it may save (or not) mine and others installations, thanks
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1338[19:02:10] <sney> materhyu: bumblebee-nvidia depends on nvidia-driver
1339[19:02:39] <sney> materhyu: the only reason a user should install a nvidia driver package first is if they need one of the alternate ones, like tesla or legacy
1340[19:03:21] <materhyu> so it is needed to install before or not? Sorry I'm a relatively new user of linux
1341[19:03:58] <sney> materhyu: it is not, because when you install bumblebee-nvidia, apt will automatically install the other packages it needs. which includes nvidia-driver.
1342[19:04:44] <johnfg> So, the last step is: 'deb -i openafs-client_1.8.6-5_amd64.deb'? Because it built quite a number of debs.
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1345[19:05:33] <jelly> johnfg, if you mean dpkg -i ... then yes
1346[19:05:43] <sney> that would be dpkg -i (or apt install) but yes, you will probably need openafs-client and maybe an openafs-common or something like that.
1347[19:05:46] <johnfg> jelly: Yes.
1348[19:06:10] <jelly> you might need to install some of those others if the desired package wants them as dependencies
1349[19:06:15] <materhyu> sney: ok understood. So I guess my issue is another one... thanks anyway
1350[19:06:24] <johnfg> The dpkg -i openafs-client_1.8.6-5_amd64.deb won't take care of all that I need?
1351[19:06:33] <jelly> no, no it won't
1352[19:06:41] <sney> johnfg: try it, if dpkg asks for another package, then install that one too
1353[19:06:44] <johnfg> Ok, I'll give that a try.
1354[19:06:56] <johnfg> sney: you guys are thinking to fast!
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1356[19:07:12] <jelly> dpkg is a low level tool that does not manage dependencies
1357[19:07:12] <dpkg> jelly: I give up, what is it?
1358[19:07:14] <sponix2ipfw> sney: I'm hopeful that this Nvidia 460.32 and kernel 5.10 combination will somehow resolve my periodic gui freeze :P
1359[19:07:25] <jelly> dpkg, cake
1360[19:07:25] <dpkg> The cake is a lie.
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1366[19:10:24] <johnfg> It didn't ask for any other package. I'm rebooting that machine, then will tell you the results.
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1390[19:36:54] <inode64_> systemd keeps unmounting my file shares (I am using a blah.mount file) and I tried the StopWhenUneeded=false but it is still unmounting my file shares after 12-24hr, does anyone know how to make it stop that?
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1392[19:38:46] <sney> I've never seen that, could the connection be flapping?
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1395[19:40:24] <inode64_> network is ok, the unmount occurred when sleeping/inactive and no network changes, these issues only started when systemd tookover for mounting things and /etc/fstab was deprecated, will keep googling in the meantime
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1420[19:58:08] <jhutchins> inode64_: Which release are you on?
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1454[20:18:07] <johnfg_> hi folks
1455[20:18:25] <johnfg_> I had to move to the office, so had to join here.
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1458[20:19:30] <johnfg_> I need to build the kernel module, but when I run, 'dkms build -m openafs -v 1.8.6-5', I get returned: Directory: /usr/src/openafs-1.8.6-5 does not exist.
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1460[20:20:53] <sney> johnfg_: that seems to be in the openafs-modules-dkms package
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1462[20:21:33] <johnfg_> so do I need to install that from buster or from sid?
1463[20:22:40] <sney> it would have been built along with the rest of the packages in your ssb process from earlier
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1466[20:23:45] <johnfg_> sney: BTW...if I forgot to say thanks earlier, Thanks! So, I'll need to do the dpkg -i for that too, right?
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1468[20:23:49] <petn-randall> inode64_: /etc/fstab is not deprecated, and your best bet is to look into your logs why it gets umounted.
1469[20:24:04] <sney> johnfg_: np, and yes
1470[20:24:49] <sney> johnfg_: also when you install that dkms package it will likely trigger the build automatically
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1476[20:26:04] <Wafficus> Hi there, can anyone help me figure out why my CAPS key in a Debian VM isn't working as intended? I swapped it with Left Control via Autokey in the Windows 10 host, but my Debian VM is still treating the CAPS key as both CAPS AND left control
1477[20:27:22] <azeem> if you run a desktop, maybe check with xev what keys it thinks are pressed
1478[20:27:32] <petn-randall> Wafficus: Your windows host is only passing keystrokes to the VM, I'm guessing they're not translated.
1479[20:28:06] <Wafficus> yeah I checked with screenkey, and showkey
1480[20:28:14] <Wafficus> the CAPS key is acting like CAPS AND Left Control key as mentioned before
1481[20:28:15] <Wafficus> its weird
1482[20:29:05] <ratrace> maybe better do the remapping in the linux guest
1483[20:30:28] <petn-randall> Sounds more like a windows problem to me.
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1486[20:33:54] <Wafficus> yeah but I wanted to do it for both Windows and the LInux guest
1487[20:34:14] <Wafficus> like I had it working ok with just the Linux guest, but I kinda wanted both honestly simultaneously
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1502[20:50:01] <Wafficus> I also tried the following command but didn't work either:
1503[20:50:02] <Wafficus> localectl set-x11-keymap us "" "" ctrl:swapcaps
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1522[20:59:51] <deadrom> hi. need a 4 or 8 port sATA/SAS HBA for PCIe, was thinking of HP H240 - someone happen to know if it is ok with debian?
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1527[21:02:26] <deadrom> ...or can someone recommend any other pcie HBA, for that matter? need to raid, just passthrough.
1528[21:02:53] <deadrom> right now have an Adaptec 5405 that does not recognize all drives and has no HBA feature
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1534[21:07:29] <mendi> guys how do I write a 32767 (0xff 0x7f) in device descriptor as logical minimum? 0x15 0xff 0x7f will work?
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1536[21:08:02] <sney> deadrom: any sas hba with linux support should be fine, do you know what chipset HP used for that model? usually the LSI ones have the best support
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1542[21:10:42] <pokota> I'm trying to add the bsd `calendar` to my motd scripts, but it's failing with "cannot get home directory"
1543[21:11:14] <pokota> should I run that from .profile instead?
1544[21:11:52] <pokota> or is there a `run-parts`-safe way to call calendar?
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1546[21:13:03] <greycat> what is a "motd script"?
1547[21:13:16] <pokota> the contents of /etc/update-motd/
1548[21:13:21] <pokota> stuff like `10-uname`
1549[21:13:39] <greycat> well clearly since that's in /etc/ it doesn't run as an individual user, so it can't do things that are user-specific
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1558[21:15:23] <pokota> ah, I think I see how to do this. calendar.all does relative paths for the includes, and if I'm reading the manpage right I need it to give absolute paths to stop it from searching user directories
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1565[21:17:52] <greycat> that's an interesting guess, but my guess was that it's looking for ~/.calendar and so on
1566[21:18:32] <pokota> per the manpage it is, but it says "if the shared file is not referenced by a full pathname, cpp searches in the current (or home) directory first"
1567[21:18:45] <pokota> (just tried full paths in the includes, didn't work)
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1573[21:20:03] <pokota> looks like putting it in .profile is the solution, or at least the workaround
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1575[21:21:24] <ratrace> yay sudo finally patched for CVE-2021-3156!
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1586[21:26:12] <CommunistWolf> yay
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1588[21:27:04] <mendi> ratrace: lol thats a UAC-tier bug
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1591[21:29:48] <sney> I was going to comment something about "finally" for a 2021 CVE, and it's january, but then I looked it up and, "hiding in plain sight since 2011." oy.
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1595[21:31:27] <mendi> hidden in nsa stash since 2011
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1605[21:35:15] <ratrace> hear that? ...... that's the sound of doas(1) users snickering.
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1608[21:36:08] <ratrace> sney: dates don't really matter. kernel zerodays would-be/are-often patched before the CVE is even applied for
1609[21:36:22] <ratrace> (and too often it even isn't at all)
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1633[21:51:16] <jerry> fresh install buster, enp1s0 after reboot enp2s0. why?
1634[21:51:37] <jerry> had to change it manually
1635[21:53:24] <greycat> Glorious. replaced-url
1636[21:53:38] <greycat> IIRC that comment was removed half a year ago.
1637[21:53:46] <sney> changed any efi/bios settings related to pci? added/subtracted a usb interface? it *should* enumerate those based on slot, at least with consistent hardware
1638[21:54:12] <jerry> i'm seeing a dmesg error -71
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1640[21:54:19] <jerry> usb related
1641[21:54:40] <jerry> i removed the usb flash drive i installed from
1642[21:54:46] <jerry> maybe thaqt did it?
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1644[21:55:00] <jerry> also added a video card
1645[21:55:15] <greycat> adding the video card probably did it
1646[21:55:22] <sney> yeah, some pci tomfoolery
1647[21:55:41] <deadrom> sney: HP's pwn brew, I think
1648[21:55:49] <jerry> thing is i need to add 9 more cards
1649[21:56:00] <jerry> hope it doesn't flake out every time
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1651[21:56:10] <greycat> It very well might. Can you add them all at once?
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1653[21:56:30] <sney> deadrom: I see some homelabbers posting about using it for zfs/unraid, so that indicates compatibility, with the 'hpsa' module. no idea about how good it is, but it should work at least
1654[21:56:39] <jerry> i can but if anything is wrong with any one of them it'll be hard to troubleshoot that way
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1656[21:57:32] <sney> jerry: you could use the systemd.link solution mentioned on that freedesktop page, to give it a specific name rather than a dynamic one from either scheme
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1659[21:57:55] <jerry> i'll check it out thanks
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1661[21:58:16] <deadrom> sney: all i need is dumb 4 port for mdadm, i'll look for an offer.
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1669[22:01:16] <serard> hello
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1671[22:02:15] <serard> I'm trying to install debian buster 10.7 using packer and virtualbox. I cannot make it mount cdrom. I have tried /dev/sr0 /mnt, no luck
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1675[22:02:57] <sney> packer is probably doing something "clever" with the debian iso
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1678[22:04:06] <sney> any time the debian installer complains about not being able to find the cdrom, that's what's going on, it's been unpacked and repacked and d-i can't find itself anymore.
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1683[22:04:36] <sney> perhaps this packer utility has an option to not modify the image
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1689[22:06:40] <serard> sney, I have tried with a manual virtualbox debian using same netinstall iso. I have been able to mount the cdrom.
1690[22:06:50] <sney> qed
1691[22:06:55] <serard> but not while packing the box via packer
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1693[22:07:18] <sney> you need to dig into the packer manual, or ask their support channel if they have one
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1722[22:45:27] <deadrom> do I have a fair chance having a system online replacing an old intel board with an old amd board? (both ca 8 years)
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1724[22:46:56] <jhutchins> If you're installing on a VM you need to tell the hypervisor to pass the CD through to the VM. I believe it also has to be mounteed on the host.
1725[22:47:42] <jhutchins> serard: You can mount an iso as a virtual CD.
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1753[23:10:45] <idlestranger> deadrom bit late on the reply re: HBA but on the cheap side i'm using an h310 flashed to lsi 9211-8i FW in IT mode to run as an HBA, works fine with high capacity drives (i've got a few 16TB seagate exos on it right now) but it is a pcie 2.0 SAS controller, so if you fully populate it and all drives are constantly active, expect to take a bandwidth hit compared to more modern and decidedly expensive
1754[23:10:51] <idlestranger> options. still for $20-30 USD it'll do just fine for small user-counts/home network storage.
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1756[23:11:46] <deadrom> idlestranger: it's not supposed to do more than take backups onto mdadm for personal use, so I got time. bandwidth is not that crucial. appreciate the hint.
1757[23:12:02] <deadrom> how do you flash that thing, though?
1758[23:13:14] <idlestranger> should be fine for that, use mine both as a nas and to take backups. you can actually get them pre-flashed on ebay or flash them yourself following a guide
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1761[23:14:11] <deadrom> idlestranger: ah that's Dell Perc, not HP innit
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1763[23:15:39] <sney> for cheap lowish-bandwidth sas I've had good results with the dell sas 5/e, which is an LSI controller, in both dell and non-dell boxes. they're all over ebay in the $20 range. note that this is *not* the perc with the raid bios, but a separate hba-only model
1764[23:16:05] <sney> I wouldn't recommend it in production in current era but it's more than enough for any kind of personal/soho use
1765[23:16:16] <idlestranger> deadrom, yes it's dell perc h310
1766[23:17:37] <deadrom> sney, "dell sas 5/e", spelt like that?
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1768[23:17:46] <sney> yeah. search with or without the slash
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1770[23:19:40] <deadrom> gets me a sas card with 2 infiniband. need sff8087 or other to spread to sata
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1773[23:21:08] <idlestranger> you can search "h310 it mode" on ebay and get them pre-flashed, some even have the sas breakout cables included.
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1780[23:24:23] <deadrom> what's "IT mode" here?
1781[23:25:01] <idlestranger> literally just LSI firmware mode that makes the raid controller act like an HBA
1782[23:27:09] <idlestranger> typical for use with software raid solutions like unraid, freenas, zfs on linux, and even lvm options.
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1786[23:28:32] <ws2k3> i have a kdevtmpfsi proces that is using extreemly high cpu usage. what could this be exacly?
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1789[23:30:39] <idlestranger> ws2k3, my kneejerk is to blame docker or appimage with docker in it- running anything like that?
1790[23:30:55] <ws2k3> idlestranger: i have narrowed it down to redis....
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1792[23:31:34] <ws2k3> idlestranger: now sure im allowed to put this here but:
1793[23:31:34] <ws2k3> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
1794[23:31:35] <ws2k3> 46158 redis 20 0 3479496 2.3g 3080 S 1118 7.4 4442:13 kdevtmpfsi
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1811[23:46:47] <idlestranger> ws2k3 I know there was an older version that had some issues with high cpu usage last year due to the way it was making calls, but beyond that- I can't offer much. if you're not using it yourself (and i hope you're not as it's highly insecure outside of a controlled locked down environment) an appimage or docker instance you're using is using it. i'd narrow down which one is running it by shutting
1812[23:46:53] <idlestranger> down anything you're running one by one until you find the culprit- then ensure that is up to date before starting it back up to see if the issue persists.
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1814[23:47:03] <ws2k3> idlestranger: i think i found the issue. its a malware crypo minder thing
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1817[23:47:44] <idlestranger> ahh
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