• 0[00:00:05] <teraflops> Kulrak: wait for an email
• 1[00:01:00] <mtn> d3lphi: what are you upgrading to? testing or something?
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• 5[00:02:18] <teraflops> Kulrak: I wrote an email directly iirc
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• 8[00:03:14] <d3lphi> mtn: no Jessie stable
• 9[00:03:47] <mtn> d3lphi: how many packages were upgraded? you said lots, that is not common with stable
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• 12[00:04:25] <d3lphi> mtn: I have done a screenshot at luck while upgrading, let me show you that... just a sec. ..
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• 14[00:04:35] <teraflops> Kulrak: yeah I can confirm. I wrote an email to wiki@debian.org directly
• 15[00:04:43] <d3lphi> mtn: where can I upload jpg files for free?
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• 17[00:04:48] <mtn> d3lphi: imgur.com
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• 19[00:04:53] <teraflops> huh
• 20[00:05:15] <teraflops> ptpb looks saner
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• 22[00:05:55] <teraflops> replaced-url
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• 24[00:06:53] <troffasky> teraflops, worst screenshot ever
• 25[00:07:19] <teraflops> it's not about the screenshot as you already know
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• 27[00:08:46] <d3lphi> mtn: replaced-url
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• 32[00:11:38] <d3lphi> mtn: this is my /etc/apt/sources.list --> replaced-url
• 33[00:12:36] <mtn> d3lphi: did you do what the error said and run those commands to see what the problem was?
• 34[00:13:00] <d3lphi> mtn: what you mean?
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• 36[00:13:26] <mtn> d3lphi: read what you pasted here at the beginning. it tells you to run a command to see what went wrong. did you do that?
• 37[00:13:40] <mtn> d3lphi: such as: See 'systemctl status rsyslog.service' for details."
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• 48[00:16:40] <d3lphi> mtn: I cannot login to my system any more. The only thing I could do is adding the text "single" to the VM boot options and the VM starts in single mode. But there I have only a limited command space
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• 61[00:19:30] <d3lphi> mtn: this is what the console of this VM looks like actually --> replaced-url
• 62[00:20:01] <mtn> d3lphi: at that point could you do ctrl+alt+F2 and get to a tty?
• 63[00:20:02] <d3lphi> what should I do now ? how can I boot safe into the VM for example to check "systemctl" commands or maybe masking a service
• 64[00:20:13] <d3lphi> mtn: no unfortunately not
• 65[00:20:33] <d3lphi> mtn: I could pass boot options to the VM, butI have no clue what kind of boot options. This is Xenserver VM
• 66[00:20:45] <d3lphi> I could also pass init=something
• 67[00:21:12] <d3lphi> maybe I could try to boot my old kernel+config somehow? I know the content of the /boot directory (have screenshots)
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• 69[00:21:33] <d3lphi> I also did read replaced-url
• 70[00:21:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 74[00:22:14] <mtn> d3lphi: you should be able to choose older kernels in the grub boot menu
• 75[00:22:28] <d3lphi> mtn: I get no grub boot menu when booting this vm
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• 79[00:23:12] <mtn> d3lphi: what does uname -a give you?
• 80[00:23:54] <d3lphi> mtn: let me add the word "single" to the VMs boot options and reboot it ... just a sec
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• 83[00:25:08] <d3lphi> mtn: Linux myhostname 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 84[00:25:19] <d3lphi> I'm in single/safe mode now
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• 88[00:26:42] <d3lphi> mtn: when I run "systemctl status systemd-logind.service" it says inactive/dead
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• 90[00:27:23] <d3lphi> --> replaced-url
• 91[00:28:04] <d3lphi> I know this VM was running systemd before the upgrade, I checked that already. So it definitely WAS on systemd
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• 96[00:29:57] <mtn> d3lphi: sorry, it is beyond me
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• 105[00:33:42] <d3lphi> anyone else can help please? I'm really stuck at the moment :/
• 106[00:33:46] <d3lphi> any help appreciated
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• 114[00:35:49] <awal1> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 115[00:35:50] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7+75; stretch: 4.7+75
• 116[00:36:46] <awal1> d3lphi, you still so with wheezy?
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• 118[00:38:20] <awal1> nvm, I missed the whole topic :P
• 119[00:38:47] <d3lphi> awal1: I was/am on Jessie
• 120[00:39:00] <mtn> awal1: he says jessie, but using a wheezy kernel, for some reason
• 121[00:39:32] <d3lphi> I did run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. I have no clue why I am still using a wheezy kernel??
• 122[00:39:38] <d3lphi> how to check/fix that?
• 123[00:40:40] <awal1> yeah, that what I dont "understand"; how one upgrade , maybe successfully, from wheezy to jessie but the system still using wheezy kernel
• 124[00:40:59] <mtn> d3lphi: it has something to do with the vm you are using
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• 127[00:41:43] <awal1> d3lphi, your migration from wheezy to jessie was successful?
• 128[00:42:15] <d3lphi> awal1: it's long time ago but I do not remember issues
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• 131[00:42:57] <awal1> not sure but support for wheezy ended in past April/ May
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• 135[00:44:05] <awal1> systemd was available for wheezy, but it wasn't the default init system
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• 137[00:45:21] <d3lphi> awal1: can you explain to me, please how I can troubleshoot my issue? or maybe how to revert back if possible? I have a backup/snapshot "before" the upgrade in urgency case
• 138[00:45:47] <d3lphi> or even explain to me how to get the latest kernel installed while in safe/single mode
• 139[00:46:12] <awal1> d3lphi, any errors when you run apt-get / aptitude -f install ?
• 140[00:46:54] <aedinius> I'm having issues with spicy not displaying on my intel host. it works fine on the others, using the same VM and everything. both are running the same version
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• 144[00:48:57] <d3lphi> awal1: the problem is I cannot run commands like "apt-get". I am in safe/single mode and this command is not available. Here you see how my /boot dir looks like. Maybe I can pass a init=something to the VM to boot from the newer 3.16..0-4 kernel ??
• 145[00:49:00] <awal1> d3lphi, as mtn said, your issue is also beyond me; I'm just trying, maybe, to find a possible solution-piste for orientate your research for solve your problem
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• 147[00:49:32] <awal1> I meant explorate other pistes
• 148[00:49:46] <somiaj> the only way you'll get a newer kernel during the upgrade is if you have the kernel meta package installed
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• 150[00:49:58] <somiaj> if for some reason you didn't hvae that meta package installed, it won't automatically pull in the new kernel and you'll have to do that manually
• 151[00:50:02] <zykotick9> aedinius: do you mean with virt-manager from stable? if so, do you know how to verify what a current vm is using for video? it says default new VMs are to use spice for graphics type, and work fine on my intel graphics laptop.
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• 157[00:51:37] <teraflops> aedinius: mind being more specific? spicy as in spice-client? intel as in intel gpu? not showing what? same version and everyhing? what's that testing? stable? the issue is on the guest or the host?
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• 160[00:52:58] <aedinius> intel gpu. spice-client, yes. same version on both, connecting to the same vm yields different results. using qxl as driver for the client
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• 162[00:53:12] <d3lphi> awal1: how can I install the latest kernel now in safe mode?
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• 167[00:55:14] <aedinius> it seems to boot fine, but as soon as the OS loads (and the qxl driver gets initialized) the screen goes black, but I have determined it responds to commands (blindly)
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• 169[00:55:40] <aedinius> (I can log in and execute something)
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• 173[00:56:47] * zykotick9 notes, he also uses qxl for video - on stable... and it works as expected.
• 174[00:57:21] <awal1> d3lphi, in real hardware debian provides some tutorials in it's wiki; sorry, no clue when it's a VM related
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• 206[01:08:16] <d3lphi> how can I pass a boot option to a Debian machine and tell the machine which vmlinuz (kernel) and initrd and config to use ?
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• 256[01:32:07] <aedinius> zykotick9: it works fine on the host running nvidia, and that's the only difference I can tell between the two
• 257[01:32:16] <aedinius> zykotick9: same VM even
• 258[01:32:38] <aedinius> Tested with two VMs, same beahhavior
• 259[01:33:01] <zykotick9> aedinius: my host & client are the same intel gpu/cpu laptop.
• 260[01:34:19] <aedinius> same here. and i have my desktop setup the same way. and i connected from desktop to vm on laptop and laptop to vm on desktop, and in both cases, it fails to display only on the laptop
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• 270[01:41:31] <Gerowen> Anybody know if USB 3.0 speeds can keep up with the read/write speed of a 5400 RPM drive? Getting ready to install Debian and the hard drive is currently in an external enclosure, and I'm just curious if I'll experience any bottlenecks.
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• 274[01:46:16] <BishamonX> Hey, guys. This question was probably asked many times, I'm not very good in keeping up. Has Google announced any plans for an offician Google Drive linux client?
• 275[01:46:34] <BishamonX> official*
• 276[01:47:03] <cra1g321> nope
• 277[01:47:04] <toruvinn> Gerowen, eeh, should happen easily. USB3 is pretty fast. however you may want to use an UAS enclosure, not an old usb storage one. gotta say i have no idea whether Linux supports UAS, but i'd say yes, it does, even earlier than Windows did...
• 278[01:47:44] <toruvinn> oh he left... great.
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• 280[01:48:10] <BishamonX> I'm loving my Debian experience so far, the one thing keeping it from being perfect is Google Drive. :(
• 281[01:53:24] <missmbob> BishamonX: it's supported in testing. kind of a bitch jessie doesnt have it
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• 283[01:54:13] <BishamonX> It is? Enlighten me, please. I'm running Debian Stretch (testing).
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• 285[01:54:49] <missmbob> then look up gnome-control-center (click on online-accounts). add google. then it'll show google drive in nautilus and thunar (not sure if any other file managers)
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• 287[01:55:26] <BishamonX> Ah, yeah. I'm aware of that. Thank you very much. Sadly it only shows the files, doesn't actually download them.
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• 302[01:59:32] <BishamonX> I'm curious, if you don't mind me asking. What is the popular DE amongst geeks nowadays? Lol
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• 304[01:59:42] <tom99> Debian-sid?
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• 307[02:02:29] <aedinius> BishamonX: no DE
• 308[02:02:42] <BishamonX> :O
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• 310[02:03:16] <BishamonX> That is too hardcore for me. heh.
• 311[02:04:08] <BishamonX> I'm enjoying Gnome 3.22 very much, though I'm considering Plasma, to try out at least.
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• 321[02:07:10] <prussian> meh.
• 322[02:07:17] <prussian> plasma is eh
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• 385[03:02:09] <ytrezq> Hello again, how does gdb disable address space randomization ? I’m using a Linux kernel written by Microsoft and obviously, they forgot to support such feature. I need to find how in order to report a bug on the GitHub project
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• 391[03:04:12] <ytrezq> Hello again, how does gdb disable address space randomization ? I’m using a Linux kernel written by Microsoft and obviously, they forgot to support such feature. I need to find how in order to report a bug on the GitHub project. The debugger print that message and crash
• 392[03:04:13] <ytrezq> warning: Error disabling address space randomization: Succs
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• 421[03:21:24] <tom99> Hey if I want to learn about unix which ancient debian would be best to dissect?
• 422[03:21:33] <tom99> woody, hamm, buzz, etch, sarge?
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• 424[03:21:48] <tom99> Debian 3.0 woody was the first to have KDE apparently
• 425[03:21:55] <aedinius> why ancient
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• 427[03:22:23] <tom99> eh... well things like systemd and such won't be around
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• 429[03:22:40] <aedinius> what are you trying to learn?
• 430[03:23:10] <tom99> unix
• 431[03:23:36] <aedinius> then why not install unix?
• 432[03:23:56] <tom99> well, idk much about the trademarked UNIX system
• 433[03:23:58] <tom99> linux is free
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• 436[03:25:33] <awal1> How to change cursor theme in the fly (excluding the use of xrdb/Xdefaults/logout/re-login)?
• 437[03:25:40] <tom99> anyway after greycat explaining what a login shell is I realized I don't really know shit
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• 439[03:25:44] <tom99> so i want to understand the basics
• 440[03:25:49] <aedinius> you can get bsd
• 441[03:25:55] <aedinius> which is closer to real unix (tm).
• 442[03:26:03] <aedinius> you can get old 4.x BSD for free as well
• 443[03:26:10] <awal1> tom99, :D
• 444[03:26:21] <aedinius> replaced-url
• 445[03:26:34] <acsid> sorry to interrupt but this remind me i need to terminage a server on sarge next week
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• 447[03:27:18] <tom99> hmm, i guess my dilemma is i want to understand linux
• 448[03:27:23] <tom99> but there aren't any good books for that
• 449[03:27:32] <tom99> so intead i'm using the ones about unix that were recommended to me
• 450[03:27:38] <awal1> no good books? :D
• 451[03:27:50] <awal1> linux is just the kernel
• 452[03:28:00] <aedinius> there are tons of good gnu/linux books
• 453[03:28:01] <tom99> awal1: shush
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• 458[03:28:57] <aedinius> but linux is so fractured anyway, to say "i want to learn linux" is really an incomplete sentence.
• 459[03:29:22] <AvatarA> build it yourself, then you'll know a.k.a. "linux from scratch"
• 460[03:29:22] <tom99> aedinius: the context is I didn't understand how interactive shells work and login shells
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• 462[03:29:55] <aedinius> "linux from scratch" is a great way to learn, yes
• 463[03:30:04] <aedinius> it has a nice book and handbook, too
• 464[03:30:04] <tom99> is that a book lol
• 465[03:30:15] <aedinius> replaced-url
• 466[03:30:31] <tom99> lol
• 467[03:30:37] <awal1> tom99, you should start thinking in a reverse-shush
• 468[03:30:38] <aedinius> start with LFS and then use BLFS
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• 470[03:32:24] <tom99> hmm I don't even see buzz available on replaced-url
• 471[03:32:24] <tom99> lol
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• 474[03:33:42] <tom99> oh there it is
• 475[03:33:46] <tom99> in the dists/ folder
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• 477[03:34:23] * awal1 Thinks that this channel is for ask for support about debian system & provide support for debian users not for confessing ignorance
• 478[03:34:44] <aedinius> I still want a linux system but with the freebsd runtime
• 479[03:35:01] <tom99> awal1: well most people are ignorant. i don't mind revealing it however.
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• 484[03:37:35] <awal1> your comments are like spams, you spam/flood so much and the result is: people are missing real questions asked by other users
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• 561[04:34:49] <awal1> Haxxa, what you mean by "that just shows an image on boot"?
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• 627[05:17:35] <stoned> I want to play a debian game
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• 634[05:21:49] <jnagro> stoned: replaced-url
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• 638[05:24:02] <roger`> openarena
• 639[05:24:16] <roger`> replaced-url
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• 703[06:16:57] <BishamonX> I have a noobish question that is style related, lol. Apologies if this is frowned upon here, since it's not Debian specific. I want to change the dash icon as shown here replaced-url
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• 705[06:17:26] <BishamonX> Asked everywhere, this is my last place.
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• 708[06:18:35] <enthdd> hi all
• 709[06:18:46] <enthdd> i just installed debian but i dontthink post-install scripts finished or something
• 710[06:18:56] <enthdd> because my apt sources are all still the CD
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• 712[06:19:50] <BishamonX> You can change it manually, an excellent guide is provided on Debian's website.
• 713[06:19:54] <BishamonX> replaced-url
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• 715[06:22:12] <enthdd> im concerned about what else might have gone wrong
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• 717[06:23:49] <awal1> enthdd, can you paste your sources.list file?
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• 719[06:23:59] <awal1> paste.debian.net
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• 726[06:45:00] <jmcnaught> BishamonX: you're trying to use some icons that you downloaded from a website? where did you put them? It's fine to ask general questions here as long as you're using Debian and not a derivative. If there's a better channel for a certain question, someone may suggest it
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• 729[06:46:16] <jmcnaught> BishamonX: most software on Debian as far as I know will be looking for icons in /usr/share/icons (this directory is only for files installed by Debian packages), /usr/local/share/icons, and ~/.local/share/icons
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• 731[06:47:57] <BishamonX> jmcnaught: Thank you very much for all the clarification. The iconset I'm using is the Arc theme icons, all is working well. The one thing I would like to change is the dash menu icon (squares grid), as shown in the picture. Basically I'm trying to find out what theme/icons he used to get that result.
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• 739[06:51:26] <jmcnaught> BishamonX: i don't know. i barely change anything from defaults in my desktop environment
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• 741[06:52:39] <BishamonX> @jmcnaught It's such a silly small thing, I feel guilty for even asking about, lol. Again, thank you for the information and the listening ear.
• 742[06:53:02] <tom99> jmcnaught: Whereas I, on the other hand, explore the innermost depths of the slightest gnome configuration option. Why? Because I can!
• 743[06:54:01] <BishamonX> I'm really enjoying this Debian Gnome experience. Coming from Windows, it really is a pleasant change.
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• 745[06:54:25] <tom99> BishamonX, can't tell if serious.
• 746[06:54:37] <tom99> First time I opened it up I had to go on a wild goose chase just to add desktop shortcuts
• 747[06:54:39] <BishamonX> Serious, yes.
• 748[06:54:46] <BishamonX> Lol
• 749[06:54:55] <BishamonX> I was lucky, I guess.
• 750[06:55:04] <tom99> In that case I pity the dark windowless room that nazis had chained you up into where you were using windows desktop.
• 751[06:55:13] <BishamonX> The only thing keeping it from being perfect is an official Google Drive client. :'(
• 752[06:55:31] <BishamonX> Hear, hear! lol
• 753[06:56:13] <jmcnaught> instead of trying to make GNOME more like the traditional WIMP interface, i have so far really enjoyed gnome-shell as it is out of the box
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• 755[06:56:47] <BishamonX> Agreed. Mine looks nothing like Windows, and at the same time nothing really too fancy.
• 756[06:56:47] <tom99> jmcnaught, now I *know* you're oldschool
• 757[06:56:52] <tom99> WIMP is a term from like the 80s dude.
• 758[06:57:01] <jmcnaught> Super+type to seach/launch applications, and the dynamic work spaces, those are good features
• 759[06:57:15] <BishamonX> Arc Theme + Arc Icons with Papirus Icons fallover + Dynamic Transperance and Dash to Dock extensions
• 760[06:57:34] <tom99> BishamonX, I'm assuming this is gnome3 default we're talking about right?
• 761[06:57:41] <jmcnaught> yeah
• 762[06:57:50] <tom99> I'm using debian in a virtual machine, and it automatically falls back on the failsafe desktop in that case.
• 763[06:58:01] <tom99> At least there is an option to change the background, thank the fates.
• 764[06:58:11] <BishamonX> lol
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• 766[06:58:21] <jmcnaught> on my laptop all of the features worked without any configuration on my part
• 767[06:58:24] <BishamonX> Yes. I'm using Debian Stretch, so I'm on Gnome 3.22
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• 772[06:59:48] <BishamonX> replaced-url
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• 777[07:03:24] <Lady_Aleena> !gtk3 themes
• 778[07:03:39] <Lady_Aleena> Shucks.
• 779[07:05:02] <Lady_Aleena> And googling debian gtk3 themes gets me no where either.
• 780[07:06:25] <tom99> I guess I'm just cursed to want more than I have then jmcnaught.
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• 784[07:09:47] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I think you can just get any gtk3 theme and put it in your $HOME dir somewhere. Are you trying to make the gtk apps look like the qt apps in kde?
• 785[07:09:54] <jmcnaught> there's something to be said for learning the default environment. if you get too used custom shortcuts, when you're on another computer it trips you up
• 786[07:10:17] <tom99> jmcnaught: words of wisdom, thank you sensei
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• 788[07:10:53] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I am looking for the redmond gtk3 theme, and I know it is in a package somewhere, I just can't remember the package name.
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• 790[07:11:34] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I only see it in gtk2 themes.
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• 792[07:12:05] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, if not named redmond, there is a GTK3 theme which looks a lot like it.
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• 794[07:12:48] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I'm not seeing many prepackged. 'apt-cache search gtk3 | grep theme'
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• 800[07:15:49] <Lady_Aleena> Me neither...but I had it on my old hard drive. I just wish I knew where to look to see the list of things installed on that drive.
• 801[07:15:56] <iamawesome> Hi, is it possible to run flash games on debian?
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• 803[07:17:00] <somiaj> iamawesome: you can install both adobe flash and pepper flash from debian non-free
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• 806[07:18:22] <iamawesome> somiaj: Is it possible to run flash desktop games?
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• 809[07:20:51] <Haxxa> Is console-setup required to mke the console work or can I disable it?
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• 813[07:22:56] <iamawesome> I've this: race.swf , now how can i run it on debian?
• 814[07:25:11] <somiaj> iamawesome: if you ahve the flash plugin installed, your browser should open it
• 815[07:26:24] <iamawesome> Is there any standalone .swf player? Or should all flash games be run on browser?
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• 817[07:26:52] <somiaj> adobe had one, but it is probabaly outdated since they don't really support linux. Debian only provides the plugins from non-free
• 818[07:27:04] <somiaj> there is also gnash (a free version of flash, unsure how well it will work though)
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• 824[07:32:55] <iamawesome> somiaj: I can't run that .swf file with firefox, flashplugin is installed
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• 827[07:33:33] <iamawesome> file:///home/user1/race.swf
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• 829[07:34:14] <somiaj> the flash adobe provides for linux is quite old. Could be you need to use the pepper flash wrapper
• 830[07:36:02] <iamawesome> I don't use chrome
• 831[07:36:20] <somiaj> that is why I said the wrapper. There is a wrapper that uses the newer pepperflash plugin in firefox
• 832[07:36:45] <somiaj> browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash is the package name. You need pepperflashplugin-nonfree as well
• 833[07:37:02] <iamawesome> Is it? pepperflashplugin-nonfree
• 834[07:37:26] <somiaj> that is the plugin, you also need the wrapper package above
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• 839[07:39:50] <iamawesome> somiaj: Will it remove existing flashplugin-nonfree ?
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• 842[07:40:55] <iamawesome> c pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
• 843[07:40:59] <iamawesome> What is c for?
• 844[07:41:21] <iamawesome> aptitude search pepper doesn't show browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
• 845[07:41:23] <iamawesome> somiaj: ^
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• 847[07:43:44] <somiaj> ,v browser-plguin-freshplayer-pepperflash
• 848[07:43:45] <judd> No package named 'browser-plguin-freshplayer-pepperflash' was found in amd64.
• 849[07:43:53] <somiaj> ,v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
• 850[07:43:55] <judd> Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.5-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.3.5-1; stretch/contrib: 0.3.5-1
• 851[07:44:03] <somiaj> iamawesome: looks like you can get it from jessie-backports
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• 853[07:44:25] <somiaj> iamawesome: unsure if this will work but it will use googles flash version which is much newer than adobes. I think it is frozen at version 11 or something.
• 854[07:44:34] <Lady_Aleena> What is the flashplayer package called, btw?
• 855[07:45:09] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: for firefox, flashplugin-nonfree, for chromium pepperflashplugin-nonfree, and that package I just linked is a wrapper to use the newer pepperflash in firefox.
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• 857[07:46:12] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, thank you.
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• 859[07:46:49] <iamawesome> somiaj: I've 32bit, not amd64 bit
• 860[07:47:08] <somiaj> iamawesome: same names
• 861[07:47:23] <somiaj> iamawesome: just by default judd looks in amd64
• 862[07:47:32] <somiaj> ,v --arch=i386 browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
• 863[07:47:33] <judd> No package named '--arch=i386' was found in amd64.
• 864[07:47:40] <somiaj> ,v --arch i386 browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
• 865[07:47:41] <judd> No package named '--arch' was found in i386.
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• 867[07:49:03] <somiaj> v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash --arch i386
• 868[07:49:07] <somiaj> ,v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash --arch i386
• 869[07:49:08] <judd> Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on i386 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.5-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.3.5-1; stretch/contrib: 0.3.5-1
• 870[07:49:31] <somiaj> anyways, to much spam. The package is just in jessie-backports, not jessie
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• 883[07:59:12] <XATRIX> Hi ,i'm trying to install openvpn server on jessie. If i run it manually '#openvpn /etc/openvpn/server.conf' - it does ok. If i do it via start/stop script (like 'service openvpn start') it does nothing
• 884[07:59:39] <XATRIX> Simply writes Starting OpenVPN service... in syslog, and nothing extra. No ports are listening
• 885[08:00:33] <jmcnaught> XATRIX: on jessie openvpn is an instantiated service: replaced-url
• 886[08:01:32] <jmcnaught> XATRIX: you can look at /lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service to see what's going on. If you edit this file, make a copy of it in /etc/systemd/system/ first
• 887[08:02:46] <jmcnaught> (or use overrides in /etc/systemd/system/openvpn@server.service.d/)
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• 894[08:08:26] <XATRIX> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 895[08:08:32] <XATRIX> This is /lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service
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• 902[08:10:12] <jmcnaught> XATRIX: yeah i know what it looks like. if instantiated services are new to you, read the blog article i linked about them. the tl;dr is "systemctl start openvpn@foo" for /etc/openvpn/foo.conf
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• 904[08:11:01] <XATRIX> ah
• 905[08:12:00] <XATRIX> yea, systemctl start openvpn@server runs perfectly
• 906[08:12:31] <XATRIX> now i have to figure out how to autostart it. let's read the article
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• 910[08:14:37] <jmcnaught> XATRIX: replace start with enable (man systemctl)
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• 913[08:15:06] <XATRIX> yea, thanks a lot!
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• 915[08:15:51] <brimmy> Alright, if someone feels gracious enough to help me create an xorg config, that would be great. I attempted to uninstall the nvidia drivers, but I don't have an xorg config on this machine, so every time I boot up, it only allows me to go into text mode.
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• 917[08:16:30] <brimmy> I've also attempted to manually restart gdm & gdm3, to no avail.
• 918[08:16:43] <tom99> how does one do that brimmy?
• 919[08:16:53] <tom99> kill the gdm process?
• 920[08:17:00] <brimmy> sudo service gdm stop
• 921[08:17:10] <jmcnaught> brimmy: nouveau usually doesn't need an xorg.conf.
• 922[08:17:14] <brimmy> Then you can replace stop with restart, and whatever else.
• 923[08:17:24] <tom99> ah ok, so gdm is a service. makes sense
• 924[08:17:34] <jmcnaught> brimmy: if you had an nvidia driver installed, check /etc/modprobe.d/ for a file that blacklists the nouveau module
• 925[08:17:37] <tom99> You can no longer hide the truth from me!
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• 929[08:19:21] <brimmy> jmcnaught: So, there's a file called, "nvidia-kernel-common.conf", should I just move it to my home folder?
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• 939[08:22:14] <jmcnaught> brimmy: did you read it?
• 940[08:22:55] <brimmy> It only talks about fast writes and side-bus addressing.
• 941[08:24:47] <brimmy> replaced-url
• 942[08:26:04] <simonlnu> i see kde 5 is coming in sid now
• 943[08:26:14] <simonlnu> the libs anyway
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• 945[08:26:32] <simonlnu> the core stuf
• 946[08:26:34] <simonlnu> f
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• 951[08:29:37] <jmcnaught> brimmy: no other files mentioning nouveau? how had you installed the nvidia driver?
• 952[08:29:54] <brimmy> The way debian.org describes it.
• 953[08:30:16] <brimmy> I had to install the older, legacy driver metioned on the page,
• 954[08:30:57] <brimmy> But keep in mind that I had already run a, "sudo apt remove nvidia-*" to remove all of the nvidia packages from my system.
• 955[08:31:39] <brimmy> The only error thing that I had seen from my terminal was a large ncurses message that made me hit, 'ok' to, 'hey, you must make sure that NVIDIA is disabled in your xorg.conf'
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• 957[08:31:47] <brimmy> And that's the part that I didn't do.
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• 1045[09:41:25] <d3lphi> hey all. I'm puzzled and have no clue why my Debian Jessie (=VM running on Xenserver 6.5) always shows by "uname -a" that it's using 3.2.0 kernel. Here are the details --> replaced-url
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• 1081[10:02:02] <d3lphi> anyone can help me with this here --> replaced-url
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• 1118[10:20:53] <stranger09> pleease help i am not able to login to any window manager or gdm, my system boots in textmode shows only tty1
• 1119[10:21:23] <missmbob> did you just upgrade?
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• 1124[10:23:09] <stranger09> missmbob: i was installing system updates and my system freezed during installation, i had to ileagally shutdown system, and now m facing this isuuse
• 1125[10:23:30] <missmbob> stranger09: testing?
• 1126[10:23:52] <stranger09> missmbob: what tetsing?
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• 1130[10:24:02] <missmbob> stranger09: upgrading to what from what?
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• 1133[10:25:12] <stranger09> i am using debian 8.6 , i was just installing the system updates from gnome-control-center
• 1134[10:25:57] <missmbob> stranger09: use paste.debian.net. apt-get -f install
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• 1136[10:26:22] <missmbob> !tell stranger09 about bat
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• 1144[10:28:40] <stranger09> ==========================================================================================================================================================================1359 stranger09 │ i am currently updating hope it will work, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install
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• 1148[10:29:28] <missmbob> way to not listen. and no PM
• 1149[10:29:33] <tom99> hmm I feel pretty good. I was able to make 3d plots in matplotlib in python after simply typing "sudo apt-get install python-matplotlib"
• 1150[10:29:52] <tom99> Not forcing the user into dependency hell is good!
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• 1189[10:44:31] <tom99> Cerebr0: hmm hard to really describe in words
• 1190[10:44:43] <tom99> i guess google image it if you want to know. it's like a 2d plot but more 3dish
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• 1226[11:08:07] <ijizi> an app i compiled from source is telling me /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.21' not found apparently i only have up to 3.4.20 :(
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• 1229[11:09:59] <ijizi> where can i find the newer version?
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• 1233[11:11:02] <somiaj> ijizi: what os did you compile this app on? Have you moved the binary since you have done this?
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• 1235[11:11:06] <somiaj> ,v libc6
• 1236[11:11:07] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u6; sid: 2.24-3; stretch: 2.24-3
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• 1239[11:11:32] <rembo> is there a way to upgrade from php5.2 to 5.6 on debian 5?
• 1240[11:11:39] <ijizi> somiaj: i'm the guy who downgraded to stable yesterday
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• 1242[11:11:56] <ijizi> somiaj: i have not moved the binary
• 1243[11:12:00] <somiaj> ijizi: recompile the app so it links against the libs you have in stable. Seems like it was linked against unstable libs
• 1244[11:12:11] <ijizi> somiaj: oh ok, thanks
• 1245[11:12:30] <somiaj> rembo: I wouldn't suggest running php on debian 5, its been out of security support for a while.
• 1246[11:12:33] <somiaj> ,v php5
• 1247[11:12:34] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u5; jessie: 5.6.24+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.24+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.26+dfsg-1
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• 1249[11:12:48] <somiaj> rembo: if you need php 5.6, I suggest running jessie
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• 1253[11:14:25] <rembo> somiaj,i cannot upgrade or change the sistem :( can i upgrade anyway? is there a way?
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• 1255[11:14:45] <somiaj> rembo: you can upgrade in place. Debian 5, that's squeeze?
• 1256[11:14:48] <missmbob> rembo: how can you upgrade when you cant "change" the system?
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• 1259[11:15:20] <somiaj> rembo: but this would require you can actually upgrade and have access to the system. But squeeze is just outdated and has known security holes. I woudln't trust it.
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• 1261[11:15:59] <babilen> fwiw, Debian 5 would be Lenny
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• 1265[11:16:29] <babilen> And running PHP 5.6 on that is not really an option. Run jessie which comes with your targeted platform by default, rembo
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• 1269[11:16:52] <somiaj> oh lenny, even more out of date. Should have looked up the actual releases.
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• 1272[11:17:27] <quarterback> Hello, is there a debian installation ISO which is text based or has a GUI as XCFE under 300 MB?
• 1273[11:17:37] <missmbob> !netinst
• 1274[11:17:38] <dpkg> netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
• 1275[11:17:39] <antzero> the net install?
• 1276[11:17:42] <antzero> !netinst
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• 1278[11:17:56] <babilen> quarterback: Does your hardware require firmware?
• 1279[11:17:56] <somiaj> quarterback: the netinstall is under 300megs, but you will need a network connenction during the install to download the packages for xfce
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• 1285[11:18:45] <quarterback> babilen, I want a standalone installation to support gcc and a gui like XCFE or fluxbox. I dont know about firmware though, its a AMD A10 processor.
• 1286[11:19:16] <babilen> dpkg: cd content
• 1287[11:19:16] <dpkg> To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at replaced-url
• 1288[11:19:28] <babilen> quarterback: ^ you can search for packages to figure out which image contains them
• 1289[11:19:33] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
• 1290[11:19:33] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 1292[11:19:39] <quarterback> babilen, Thanks
• 1293[11:19:41] <babilen> That would be a netinst image with firmware ^
• 1294[11:20:05] <babilen> quarterback: It sounds to me as if you want the CD1 image for XFCE, but that would be larger than 300M
• 1295[11:20:05] <missmbob> gcc is the one that'll kill you
• 1296[11:20:25] <babilen> And pulling in development libraries and compilers will easily get you over that limit
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• 1298[11:20:37] <quarterback> babilen, Would have nice to have a very trimmed version of debian for older machines as pentium of 486.
• 1299[11:20:47] <quarterback> or*
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• 1301[11:21:03] <babilen> Are you running this on a 486?
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• 1303[11:21:14] <missmbob> 486 wont even be supported next release
• 1304[11:21:18] <babilen> (haven't touched one of those in a while)
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• 1307[11:21:57] <quarterback> babilen, 647 MB that is :/
• 1308[11:22:11] <babilen> Where do your requirements stem from?
• 1309[11:22:15] <quarterback> babilen, I am on dialup and it sucks to see such huge volume files.
• 1310[11:22:32] <missmbob> why you want xfce on something like that is beyond us
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• 1312[11:22:46] <Drzacek> Hi
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• 1314[11:23:00] <quarterback> missmbob, Gnome or XCFE , either is fine. I wanted a light installation. Is DSL linux also better?
• 1315[11:23:05] <missmbob> ha
• 1316[11:23:07] <Drzacek> How can I install openjdk-7 (I only have openjdk 8 available)?
• 1317[11:23:12] <missmbob> gnome on a 486
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• 1319[11:23:21] <somiaj> Drzacek: what version of debian are you running?
• 1320[11:23:40] <missmbob> quarterback: you need to stop dreaming at some point
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• 1322[11:24:30] <ghormoon> hi, is it possible to set global hotky to run a script on ma machine without X (console only) that would trigger even if noone is logged in?
• 1323[11:24:39] <Drzacek> stretch...:(
• 1324[11:24:46] <Drzacek> you gonna send me away, wont you?
• 1325[11:24:56] <missmbob> Drzacek: why'd you even come here?
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• 1328[11:25:15] <somiaj> Drzacek: na, just in streetch java 7 has been phased out for java 8. You will have to install a version locally. Maybe java-package can help.
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• 1330[11:26:14] <somiaj> Drzacek: are you sure java 8 won't fit your needs. I don't know what sort of icompadabilities there would be, but from the little I've heard it should run most java 7 programs.
• 1331[11:26:18] <xyassin> is it really so hard to harden debian
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• 1333[11:26:45] <Drzacek> building CM requires openjdk-7, I failed to find any solution to force it to use version 8
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• 1336[11:27:26] <somiaj> xyassin: there are some guides out there to help. Defaults are fairly sane, but the guides cover things that is common to harden.
• 1337[11:28:31] <somiaj> Drzacek: well in stretch your only real option is to install it locally which isn't supported here. Java runs fairly good locally. You can put it in /usr/local, /opt or even $HOME. java-package may help too if you really want to make your own .deb from java 7. Just get it from oracle (and of course little support here for that)
• 1338[11:29:10] <Drzacek> ok, gonna try that
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• 1352[11:34:51] <ijizi> somiaj: it worked, thanks
• 1353[11:35:00] <dob1> hi, when i try to connect via ssh the server answer that the system is going down for shutdown, this is not true and the date of the shutdown is false, maybe it was not real shutdown and it is blocked?
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• 1358[11:36:17] <jelly> Drzacek: installing packages from jessie into stretch may be an option
• 1359[11:36:28] <jelly> ,v openjdk-7-jdk
• 1360[11:36:29] <judd> Package: openjdk-7-jdk on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; experimental: 7u111-2.6.7-1
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• 1362[11:37:10] <jelly> getting older packages into a newer release is slightly saner than the opposite
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• 1367[11:38:47] <jelly> and also.
• 1368[11:38:52] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1369[11:38:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1372[11:39:35] <Drzacek> I always wanted to ask - why you put channel for testing on other network?
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• 1374[11:40:05] <annoymouse4210> where is debian package for linux-headers-4.6.0-0.bpo.1 ?
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• 1376[11:40:16] <tom99> What I always wanted to ask is, how can you install debian jessie on a 486? doesn't seem like it would work
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• 1379[11:40:34] <tom99> Drzacek: I think oftc has most of the debian channels, this one here is the "outlier"
• 1380[11:40:36] <missmbob> Drzacek: oftc is the official network. not this one (freenode)
• 1381[11:40:39] <babilen> dpkg: oftc move
• 1382[11:40:39] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
• 1383[11:40:42] <babilen> Drzacek: ^
• 1384[11:40:58] <jelly> Drzacek: ALL the debian channels are there, _this one_ is on the 'other' network
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• 1387[11:41:16] <Drzacek> oh
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• 1389[11:41:50] <Drzacek> I've been using mostly freenode for few years now, and I assumed all the fun is here
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• 1391[11:41:59] <annoymouse4210> replaced-url
• 1392[11:42:03] <jelly> annoymouse4210: it's gone, you can install a newer kernel from backports and newer headers that go with it
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• 1394[11:42:11] <tom99> yeah that post doesn't really explain too much babilen
• 1395[11:42:23] <tom99> It just says people sort of started using oftc more and eventually the shift was made. o_o
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• 1398[11:42:47] <annoymouse4210> jelly thx I will have to search..
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• 1400[11:43:25] <babilen> tom99: replaced-url
• 1401[11:43:28] <missmbob> annoymouse4210: which version are you looking for?
• 1402[11:43:30] <jelly> annoymouse4210: so if you do something like apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64, you ought to get the current one
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• 1404[11:43:57] <annoymouse4210> I'm currently using 4.6 then suddenly headers and images is disappear
• 1405[11:44:15] <annoymouse4210> there is linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned
• 1406[11:44:26] <annoymouse4210> unsigned looks not good
• 1407[11:44:36] <jelly> it's good.
• 1408[11:44:46] <stranger09> /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc: 3: exec: /usr/bin/X: not found
• 1409[11:44:52] <stranger09> /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc: 3: exec: /usr/bin/X: not found
• 1410[11:45:04] <stranger09> i am getting this error on startx
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• 1412[11:45:07] <missmbob> stranger09: you wouldn't listen then.
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• 1414[11:45:34] <stranger09> missmbob: i am reinstalling gdm3
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• 1416[11:45:57] <missmbob> stranger09: yeah, that's the thing. you ask for help and then go do whatever the fuck without listening.
• 1417[11:45:59] <stranger09> i did apt-get -f install no eroors
• 1418[11:46:22] <stranger09> missmbob: whaat u telling me to do now i will do that
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• 1420[11:47:10] <missmbob> stranger09: apt-get install xserver-xorg provides /usr/bin/X for one
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• 1423[11:47:33] <missmbob> stranger09: what de do you want?
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• 1426[11:49:09] <stranger09> miss bob i am getting blue screen on startx
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• 1428[11:49:28] <missmbob> stranger09: then you're not giving us the proper output/errors
• 1429[11:49:40] <missmbob> a blue screen wouldn't say x command not found
• 1430[11:50:01] <stranger09> no icons or anything
• 1431[11:50:02] <missmbob> i was right about you
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• 1433[11:50:57] <stranger09> now after i isntalled xserver-xorg
• 1434[11:50:58] <stranger09> when i enter startx i get blue screen
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• 1437[11:51:29] <stranger09> missmbob: what should i do now ??
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• 1439[11:52:12] <missmbob> you should probably start answering questions
• 1440[11:52:29] <noqnio1> hey, i have a bare essentials vm with testing on it, and i am trying to install gnome. i tried both methods (tasksel and gnome package) and both end up in a system that hangs on "started update UTMP about system runlevel changes." on boot. What could it be?
• 1441[11:52:41] <missmbob> !tell noqnio1 about debian-next
• 1442[11:52:47] <missmbob> noqnio1: wrong place. go there ^
• 1443[11:53:15] <noqnio1> but it is invitation only
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• 1445[11:53:27] <stranger09> missmbob: m soryy for doing shit myself , i wont do anything myself
• 1446[11:53:31] <stranger09> plz help
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• 1448[11:53:35] <noqnio1> oh im on the wrong server
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• 1450[11:54:29] <missmbob> stranger09: type tasksel. pick the de you want. reboot.
• 1451[11:55:08] <stranger09> missmbob: i am not able to get tty2 or any other tty2 using alt+f2...
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• 1454[11:55:27] <stranger09> missmbob: i am using irchat on tty1
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• 1459[11:56:39] <missmbob> stranger09: irchat, huh?
• 1460[11:56:56] <missmbob> i dont buy it
• 1461[11:57:18] <stranger09> missmbob: should i reboot? plz stay onlinme for me if i get any other error
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• 1476[12:01:18] <stranger09> missmbob: thanks i finaly was able to login into i3
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• 1478[12:01:52] <stranger09> missmbob: but i dont see gnome desktop entry in menu at login time
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• 1482[12:02:28] <missmbob> stranger09: apt-get install task-gnome-desktop then restart should make it show
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• 1500[12:08:32] <stranger09> missmbob: why on openinig dropbox folder from dropbox menu , it opens disks, not file manger
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• 1504[12:09:32] <littlebit> hi people, I have setup a debian server and I do most of my work over ssh. And recently when I try to log onto my server via ssh and enter the password, I get this message: Permission denied, please try again. First I though that the password was spelled wrong, which wasn't the case. Then I pulled out a keyboard and monitor, attached it onto my server and tried to log in with the same username and
• 1505[12:09:38] <littlebit> password and it was a success. I don't know what went wrong. Can someone help?
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• 1513[12:11:06] <troffasky> first thing is to check is that user allowed?
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• 1515[12:11:23] <littlebit> hi people, I have setup a debian server and I do most of my work over ssh. And recently when I try to log onto my server via ssh and enter the password, I get this message: Permission denied, please try again. First I though that the password was spelled wrong, which wasn't the case. Then I pulled out a keyboard and monitor, attached it onto my server and tried to log in with the same username and
• 1516[12:11:29] <littlebit> password and it was a success. I don't know what went wrong. Can someone help?
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• 1518[12:12:17] <missmbob> littlebit: are you trying to ssh as root? ugh. stop. dont keep pasting.
• 1519[12:12:51] <troffasky> maybe littlebit is a littlebot
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• 1523[12:13:03] <littlebit> missmbob: sry about pasting, i thought I wasn't registered. I try to log into as user
• 1524[12:13:14] <littlebit> missmbob: not as root
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• 1526[12:13:21] <troffasky> egrep 'Permit|User' /etc/ssh/sshd_config
• 1527[12:13:38] <littlebit> troffasky: bit and bot are close to each other
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• 1534[12:16:04] <missmbob> this sounds like a caps lock issue :P
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• 1537[12:16:54] <littlebit> troffasky: I have AllowGroups sshusers
• 1538[12:17:06] <littlebit> as a line in my config
• 1539[12:17:08] <littlebit> of sshd
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• 1551[12:23:11] <troffasky> so presumably the user you're attempting to use is in sshusers?
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• 1553[12:23:31] <troffasky> confirm with 'id username'
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• 1560[12:24:25] <Nebukadneza> heho
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• 1580[12:37:42] <reber> hey !
• 1581[12:38:17] <reber> do you know a tool to make videos (screencasts) and after that, do zooming, square zones,etc ?
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• 1594[12:50:50] <antzero> To someone using KDE: "Safely removing" an external HDD doesn't turn off the power, and it's a problem for mechanical HDDs, is there a workaround? Using 'udisksctl power-off -b /dev/sdb1' Turns off the power, the device gracefully stops but then restarts immediatly again (maybe nautilus/kde treat it as just plugged?)
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• 1598[12:52:29] <surfist> sync and umount?
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• 1606[12:59:15] <surfist> does stretch = testing? sid = ?
• 1607[12:59:20] <surfist> ah fergits
• 1608[13:00:01] <troffasky> stretch seems to be SID here
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• 1631[13:11:29] <dutchfish> !testing
• 1632[13:11:30] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
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• 1639[13:13:34] <antzero> surfist: it unmounts but doesn't power off
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• 1642[13:14:17] <surfist> sometimes a drive will spin for a while before it 'parks'
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• 1644[13:14:52] <surfist> after sync and umount ... no more data should be happening
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• 1646[13:15:03] <tom99> hey surfist
• 1647[13:15:12] <surfist> howdy tom99
• 1648[13:15:26] <tom99> about to go afk but that does bring up a question. Does it save your hard drive any wear and tear to put the PC into sleep mode
• 1649[13:15:38] <tom99> or simply to log out without any torrents running?
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• 1651[13:16:13] <surfist> my drives spin down by themselves if not accessed
• 1652[13:16:21] <surfist> for a while
• 1653[13:16:30] <tom99> yeah but are programs like firefox staying open
• 1654[13:16:36] <tom99> constantly randomly writing to the hard drive?
• 1655[13:16:37] <surfist> constant spinning up and down are not good for a drive
• 1656[13:16:55] <surfist> better to leave it spinning if it's used a lot
• 1657[13:17:01] <tom99> I just realized I don't sleep my computer much so idk if I'm putting too much strain on my hd's.
• 1658[13:17:24] <tom99> programs still continue to run even when you log out though
• 1659[13:17:31] <tom99> er not log out
• 1660[13:17:37] <tom99> but like lock the screen I guess
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• 1662[13:19:26] <surfist> well.. last I remember the motors are supposed to run for 5 years (mtbf or mean time before failure) maybe it's longer now... you can always look up the specs
• 1663[13:19:36] <surfist> after 5 years do more backups
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• 1665[13:19:50] <troffasky> i think the consensus is power-cycling drives shortens their life
• 1666[13:19:52] <surfist> head thrashing from fragmented drives is not too good
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• 1668[13:20:30] <tom99> is sleeping the computer power cycling though?
• 1669[13:20:35] <surfist> even turning computers on and off frequently isn't a great idea
• 1670[13:20:52] <surfist> something about heat and expansion/contraction
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• 1672[13:21:16] <tom99> well, until i hear otherwise I will just keep my pc running awake all the time.
• 1673[13:21:27] <troffasky> tom99, i've never seen a PC go to sleep but keep the drive spinning
• 1674[13:21:32] <surfist> sleeping mostly shuts things down.. with a trickle of current to keep ram alive
• 1675[13:21:33] <tom99> not gonna have it sleep every day unless there is reason for that
• 1676[13:22:07] <surfist> I like hibernate more.. survives battery dead better
• 1677[13:22:14] <surfist> and won't eat batteries
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• 1679[13:24:05] <tom99> lol well i'm on desktop
• 1680[13:24:11] <tom99> idk just thought it was interesting question to ask
• 1681[13:24:28] <tom99> why are you running wheezy again surfist?
• 1682[13:24:31] <troffasky> if mechanical wear is a serious concern, there's always SSD
• 1683[13:24:32] <tom99> i don't recall asking why
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• 1687[13:25:18] <surfist> it was the original install.. but it's slowly changing to jessie
• 1688[13:25:29] <tom99> lol why, did you enable jessie repositories?
• 1689[13:25:36] <tom99> "frankendebian"
• 1690[13:25:41] <surfist> hah
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• 1692[13:26:06] <surfist> the distro is doing strange things .. it's not pure debian but it mostly is
• 1693[13:26:34] <tom99> i was kinda curious about unix in general earlier, so I tried downloading 1.1 buzz, the first debian release.
• 1694[13:26:44] <surfist> golly :)
• 1695[13:26:48] <tom99> i managed to get floppy images. not sure if virtualbox will accept that though.
• 1696[13:27:01] <tom99> apparently 3.0 woody was the earliest CDROM and it is like ~500MB in size
• 1697[13:27:16] <surfist> I have some old slackware noise somewhere around here
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• 1699[13:27:27] <surfist> used to install it from floppies
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• 1701[13:27:57] <surfist> I kinda want to install windoze10 into virtualbox
• 1702[13:28:13] <surfist> because it's never gonna get it's hands on a partition :)
• 1703[13:28:25] <surfist> I gave up on winders at 7
• 1704[13:28:44] <surfist> no silly forced broken upgrades
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• 1706[13:29:11] <surfist> but I need to know how to fix winders machines still
• 1707[13:29:16] <tom99> Well I stand correct.
• 1708[13:29:24] <tom99> Virtualbox does allow you to have a floppy disk drive. lol.
• 1709[13:29:33] <surfist> it doesn't?
• 1710[13:29:42] <tom99> what
• 1711[13:29:45] <surfist> nm
• 1712[13:29:51] <tom99> yeah that's not a bad idea.
• 1713[13:29:53] <surfist> thought you said does not
• 1714[13:29:54] <tom99> i should do that too
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• 1716[13:30:13] <tom99> although arguably freebsd is a better thing to study if you want to learn about early unix
• 1717[13:30:19] <tom99> so idk
• 1718[13:30:20] <surfist> it used to be your linux partitons were invisible to winders
• 1719[13:30:29] <tom99> did they finally change that?
• 1720[13:30:35] <surfist> but not microdos is playing with linux subsystem
• 1721[13:30:41] <surfist> not/now
• 1722[13:30:51] <tom99> never heard of microdos
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• 1724[13:30:55] <surfist> I don't think it can read ext yet
• 1725[13:31:01] <surfist> microsoft :)
• 1726[13:31:14] <tom99> well. could windows ship with linux bundled with it?
• 1727[13:31:18] <tom99> that wouldn't violate the gpl?
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• 1729[13:31:30] <surfist> it has a license from ubuntu
• 1730[13:31:34] <surfist> whatever that means
• 1731[13:31:52] <tom99> i mean something like, as long as they have the code included or offered it satisifes the gpl
• 1732[13:32:04] <tom99> so microsoft could give a "put linux on second hard drive" checkbox on their installer
• 1733[13:32:09] <tom99> and it would be perfectly legal I guess
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• 1735[13:32:16] <surfist> grey line between what parts of msdos are free vs profit
• 1736[13:32:39] <tom99> lol you keep saying msdos
• 1737[13:32:42] <surfist> the linux.. is in the form of a bash shell... inside w10
• 1738[13:32:50] <tom99> hmm that is kind of a grey area
• 1739[13:33:06] <surfist> windoze hit my last straw a few years ago :)
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• 1741[13:33:24] <tom99> yeah i know, but wine sucks so i need it for games still
• 1742[13:33:25] <surfist> windows went out the window :)
• 1743[13:33:29] <tom99> that's why I run linux in VMs now
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• 1745[13:33:56] <tom99> i may put stretch on a partition when it comes out though
• 1746[13:34:01] <surfist> have you seen qemu ? it's like virtualbox, and kinda fast
• 1747[13:34:20] <tom99> idk i tried it ocne and it was slow
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• 1749[13:34:28] <tom99> it worked fine though
• 1750[13:34:42] <tom99> i think there was something about installing kernel modules to make it accelerate
• 1751[13:34:50] <tom99> it seemed overly complicated like many things in linux
• 1752[13:35:14] <surfist> yeah.. on windows it has some funky accelerator
• 1753[13:35:24] <surfist> damnsmalllinux uses qemu
• 1754[13:35:29] <surfist> nice for flash drives
• 1755[13:35:36] <surfist> linux under windoze
• 1756[13:35:49] <surfist> when you unplug you vanish
• 1757[13:36:04] <tom99> lol well what I'd prefer is a hypervisor
• 1758[13:36:14] <tom99> so i could switch between linux and windows as i please
• 1759[13:36:19] <tom99> but idk how to set that up
• 1760[13:36:31] <surfist> there will be much reading, skyhopper
• 1761[13:36:56] <tom99> the thing is i don't want to futz around with my partitions because... well if i mess up then i have no pc and i'm still accessing google on a phone to fix it
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• 1764[13:37:41] <surfist> partitions is not terribly difficult once you learn them.. I had a usb hdd have 11 partitions once, and it was multiboot
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• 1766[13:38:00] <surfist> and a combo of grub, grub2, and lilo
• 1767[13:38:03] <surfist> just for fun
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• 1769[13:38:54] <surfist> first thing I do with a windows machine is make it dual boot linux
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• 1771[13:39:12] <surfist> then forget to ever boot into windows :)
• 1772[13:39:24] <surfist> unless I need to use it's partition manager
• 1773[13:40:00] <tom99> lol grub, grub2, and lilo. crazy
• 1774[13:40:21] <surfist> easeus is good at resizing ntfs partitions
• 1775[13:40:41] <surfist> yeah, it was an experiment festival.. but fun
• 1776[13:40:53] <surfist> make some swiss army drives
• 1777[13:41:11] <surfist> which came in handy ... even rescued a few ppl who lost their windows passwords
• 1778[13:41:18] <surfist> via linux
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• 1780[13:42:13] <saboru> mopidy+ncmpcpp is so awesome
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• 1797[13:52:11] <randomdude999> I don't need my music to be web controllable so i use cmus
• 1798[13:52:30] <randomdude999> which also works great, but onl plays from the local drive
• 1799[13:52:47] <randomdude999> but I can have tmux keybindings to pause the music
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• 1803[13:55:01] <saboru> randomdude999: spotify!
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• 1805[13:55:11] <saboru> main reason it's so good
• 1806[13:55:13] <randomdude999> well, i don't use that
• 1807[13:55:19] <saboru> before i also used cmus
• 1808[13:55:32] <randomdude999> but i can agree, the ability to play from online services is cool
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• 1811[13:56:52] <saboru> cli's for the win :)
• 1812[13:57:08] <randomdude999> the only 2 graphical apps i use are chrome and my terminal
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• 1814[13:57:21] <saboru> same
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• 1816[13:58:17] <randomdude999> what terminal do you use? i use st <replaced-url
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• 1819[13:59:57] <saboru> terminator mostly
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• 1822[14:01:36] <saboru> all depending on what box i use :)
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• 1825[14:02:27] <randomdude999> i really don't need terminator's key features because i use tmux
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• 1836[14:06:55] <saboru> using tmux+rxvt on another laptop :)
• 1837[14:07:04] <saboru> works very well
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• 1847[14:11:15] <saboru> newsbeuter is also great
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• 1849[14:11:31] <randomdude999> except when you don't read news :)
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• 1851[14:11:41] <saboru> yeah :|
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• 1855[14:11:53] <saboru> have you tried ranger?
• 1856[14:11:56] <randomdude999> no
• 1857[14:12:00] <randomdude999> what's that?
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• 1860[14:12:39] <randomdude999> wait it's like mc?
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• 1862[14:12:50] <saboru> replaced-url
• 1863[14:13:18] <saboru> yeeh a bit like mc
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• 1866[14:14:12] <randomdude999> looks cool from the screenshot
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• 1872[14:15:44] <teraflops> ranger is fine coreutils is a good filemanager too ;p
• 1873[14:16:19] <randomdude999> yea
• 1874[14:16:42] <randomdude999> except you need to have a shell to use coreutils
• 1875[14:16:49] <randomdude999> wait it packages its own shell
• 1876[14:16:51] <Idiosyncratic> Anyone know of a good alternative to the Gtk them FlatStudio that works on the latest GTK libs/version? (running sid)
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• 1910[14:37:57] <sadmad> I installed phpmyadmin on my Debian but I got this error: replaced-url
• 1911[14:38:03] <sadmad> How should I fix it?
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• 1913[14:39:29] <randomdude999> looks like you are missing some php-gettext?
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• 1915[14:40:07] <randomdude999> t'is a package, install with sudo apt[-get] install php-gettext
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• 1917[14:41:18] <sadmad> randomdude999: php-gettext is already the newest version
• 1918[14:41:27] <randomdude999> hm
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• 1921[14:41:46] <randomdude999> try ls /usr/share/php
• 1922[14:41:56] <randomdude999> there should be a php-gettext directory
• 1923[14:42:21] <randomdude999> wait it says 'operation not permitted'
• 1924[14:42:45] <randomdude999> try 'stat /usr/share/php/php-gettext/gettext.inc'
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• 1926[14:43:19] <randomdude999> s/php-gettext/php-php-gettext/
• 1927[14:43:38] <sadmad> randomdude999: replaced-url
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• 1930[14:44:29] <randomdude999> try 'stat /usr/share/php/php-php-gettext/gettext.inc'
• 1931[14:44:35] <randomdude999> this time with php-php-
• 1932[14:44:59] <sadmad> randomdude999: replaced-url
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• 1934[14:45:15] <sadmad> randomdude999: Should I change the permission?
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• 1936[14:45:47] <randomdude999> it is world-readable...
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• 1940[14:46:40] <randomdude999> wait wait wait
• 1941[14:46:58] <randomdude999> php has some "open_basedir" restriction and the gettext file is not in that
• 1942[14:47:29] <sadmad> randomdude999: Should I check it in php,ini?
• 1943[14:47:43] <randomdude999> yes
• 1944[14:48:00] <randomdude999> find it and change php-gettext to php-php-gettext
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• 1946[14:48:49] <sadmad> randomdude999: it is commented! `;open_basedir =` withouth default value
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• 1948[14:49:02] <randomdude999> is there any uncommented one?
• 1949[14:49:08] <randomdude999> try /php-gettext
• 1950[14:49:16] <randomdude999> (if you're using vim)
• 1951[14:49:25] <stranger09> which is the best linux backup and recovery tool and what folders should one backup
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• 1955[14:50:37] <teraflops> best has no sense. it depends on your needs
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• 1957[14:51:32] <sadmad> randomdude999: No there is not. I also checked /usr/share/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php
• 1958[14:51:50] <randomdude999> is there an httpd.conf somewhere?
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• 1960[14:52:02] <randomdude999> probably near php.ini or the web root
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• 1962[14:52:27] <randomdude999> wait do you use apache?
• 1963[14:52:34] <sadmad> randomdude999: Yes I do
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• 1965[14:52:48] <sadmad> randomdude999: php_admin_value open_basedir ????
• 1966[14:52:51] <teraflops> stranger09: not only needs. a bunch of considerations
• 1967[14:53:37] <randomdude999> try searching php-gettext and replacing it with php-php-gettext
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• 1974[14:56:04] <sadmad> randomdude999: Done, thanks
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• 1977[14:56:08] <randomdude999> np
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• 1993[15:08:07] <stranger09> teraflops:i want to backup apps and settings only
• 1994[15:08:31] <stranger09> i.e the installed applications and settings
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• 2005[15:11:13] <teraflops> IR7739: por? jaja
• 2006[15:11:28] <IR7739> jajaja
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• 2008[15:11:42] <IR7739> hay alguna distro debian ligera para equipos super viejos?
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• 2010[15:11:53] <IR7739> de puppylinux
• 2011[15:11:58] <IR7739> pero no me satisfizo
• 2012[15:12:14] <teraflops> IR7739: debian es ligera
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• 2014[15:12:28] <IR7739> aunque reconoce todos los drivers, no tiene algunos programas para presentaciones
• 2015[15:12:48] <teraflops> claro
• 2016[15:12:54] <IR7739> tengo mucho tiempo que no trabajo directamente con una completa, sino una cocinada
• 2017[15:12:57] <teraflops> despues inatala lo q necesites
• 2018[15:13:02] <IR7739> excelente =)
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• 2020[15:13:18] <IR7739> mi nick es prpz
• 2021[15:13:20] <stranger1> teraflops:i want to backup apps and settings only
• 2022[15:13:22] <Kenran> Hi guys, I'm in need of the debug info for libstdc++. Now I don't see a package named libstc++-dbg or similar, and found there's a command named debuginfo-install (which should be in yum-utils)
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• 2024[15:13:33] <Kenran> but after installing yum and yum-utils I lack that command as well
• 2025[15:13:41] <teraflops> IR7739: de todas formas este canal es en inglés prueba en #debian-es
• 2026[15:13:58] <Kenran> does anyone of you know how to get the debug info for libraries or the debuginfo-install command working?
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• 2029[15:14:17] <IR7739> gracias
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• 2032[15:15:15] <teraflops> stranger1: yeah that's what backups are meant for
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• 2034[15:16:20] <teraflops> stranger1: rsync rsnapshot looks fine for me. unless you explain better the use cause
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• 2036[15:16:53] <teraflops> rsync/rsnapshot
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• 2039[15:17:53] <stranger1> teraflops: will look for them, thnks :) and finally i restored my system which had only text mode
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• 2042[15:18:04] <teraflops> oh good
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• 2045[15:18:45] <stranger1> teraflops: yesterday night i was sharing my errors with u
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• 2050[15:19:33] <teraflops> stranger1: I only have one neuron hehe
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• 2053[15:20:01] <teraflops> stranger1: glad you fixed your system
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• 2062[15:23:34] <Strang3_09> teraflops: me too. :) happy
• 2063[15:25:02] <stoned> Good morning
• 2064[15:25:06] *** Quits: stranger1 (~stranger0@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
• 2065[15:25:13] <stoned> If you're happy and you know it
• 2066[15:25:15] <stoned> smoke aj oint
• 2067[15:25:23] <stoned> then clap your hands
• 2068[15:25:37] <randomdude999> and then syntax error
• 2069[15:25:41] <stoned> teraflops: you know my nickname on Xbox live?
• 2070[15:25:44] <stoned> Depleted Neuron
• 2071[15:25:46] <stoned> :)
• 2072[15:25:58] <teraflops> stoned: heh nope
• 2073[15:26:02] <stoned> randomdude999: what's happening?
• 2074[15:26:24] <randomdude999> stoned: it's a joke: "if you're happy and you know it syntax error"
• 2075[15:26:26] <Strang3_09> stoned: its happening ;)
• 2076[15:26:29] <stoned> Oh, haha
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• 2078[15:26:40] <stoned> I thought you meant you were having syntax issue with phpmyadmin
• 2079[15:26:44] <randomdude999> stoned: works in most sane programming languages
• 2080[15:26:49] <stoned> And please, for the love of stoned, don't use phpmyadmin
• 2081[15:26:50] <stoned> Please.
• 2082[15:26:58] <stoned> I highly advise using mysql through the cli interface.
• 2083[15:27:00] <stoned> er..
• 2084[15:27:02] <stoned> that's dumb
• 2085[15:27:06] <stoned> That' slike saing ATM machine
• 2086[15:27:08] <stoned> I fucked up
• 2087[15:27:14] <stoned> cli client.
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• 2089[15:27:28] <teraflops> stoned: heheh
• 2090[15:27:39] <stoned> Yes, I also have an NIC card.
• 2091[15:27:42] <stoned> *smh*
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• 2097[15:28:14] <stoned> I have a network interface card card.
• 2098[15:28:28] <stoned> justl ike going to the autmatic teller machine machine.
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• 2101[15:29:38] <toruvinn> 'NIC card' is quite popular, though. just like WAL logs. ;-)
• 2102[15:29:55] <randomdude999> honestly, i've heard people say ATM machine.
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• 2104[15:32:02] * themill wonders if ##chat would be better
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• 2133[15:42:39] <jack_rip_vim> three mins about you and linux, i want to make a video for linux
• 2134[15:43:00] <jack_rip_vim> email address jackripvim@outlook.com
• 2135[15:43:56] <Idiosyncratic> jack_rip_vim: what?
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• 2138[15:44:15] <jack_rip_vim> i want to make a video for linux
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• 2141[15:44:36] <Idiosyncratic> jack_rip_vim: and you want to film random debian users?
• 2142[15:44:40] <jack_rip_vim> three mins you and linux, i will make up a video
• 2143[15:44:57] <_InsertNameHere_> jack_rip_vim: 3 min. of video, I assume, but in what way? what questions about linux? need more info :P
• 2144[15:45:11] <jack_rip_vim> no , it is a video for all the linux
• 2145[15:45:30] <jack_rip_vim> if more, it is ok
• 2146[15:45:44] <Idiosyncratic> jack_rip_vim: we do not understand you. Please be more specific and clear.
• 2147[15:45:58] <_InsertNameHere_> jack_rip_vim: so, something like an interview, or..?
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• 2149[15:46:06] <jack_rip_vim> ues
• 2150[15:46:08] <jack_rip_vim> yes
• 2151[15:46:23] <jack_rip_vim> said something about you and linuz
• 2152[15:46:42] <Idiosyncratic> jack_rip_vim: for what purpose?
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• 2154[15:47:38] <jack_rip_vim> make everybody know linux
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• 2156[15:48:05] <Idiosyncratic> jack_rip_vim: where are you from?
• 2157[15:48:11] <jack_rip_vim> china
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• 2159[15:48:19] <Idiosyncratic> :O
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• 2161[15:48:22] <jack_rip_vim> i will be on video too
• 2162[15:48:49] <Idiosyncratic> jack_rip_vim: is this state-sponsored or something? :D
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• 2165[15:49:18] <jack_rip_vim> just for linux community
• 2166[15:49:19] <teraflops> holy weekend
• 2167[15:49:23] <petn-randall> Idiosyncratic: ??
• 2168[15:49:39] <Idiosyncratic> jack_rip_vim: we do not know for what the video will be used
• 2169[15:49:46] <teraflops> jack_rip_vim: I'll send you my video
• 2170[15:49:52] <jack_rip_vim> ok
• 2171[15:50:01] <Idiosyncratic> jack_rip_vim: maybe people will help you if they know more specific details
• 2172[15:50:26] <jack_rip_vim> said something about you and all the good feeling with linux
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• 2174[15:50:35] <malina> out of curiousity, when a dir is created in tmpfs, I notice it has someother size than e.g. on ext4 default 4k bytes. Now, if one woul duse bsdtar --formate mtree to get size of files during a build say.. then the size of dirs would differe if built on ext4 vs. tmpfs?
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• 2176[15:51:13] <teraflops> jack_rip_vim: /me and my cat. she uses linux too
• 2177[15:51:14] <Idiosyncratic> teraflops: the one with the cuffs and one of those pink, fluffy scarfs?
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• 2179[15:51:26] <jack_rip_vim> ok, it is ok
• 2180[15:51:30] <Idiosyncratic> teraflops: I've seen it. No-one else should be allowed to see it.
• 2181[15:51:41] <teraflops> oh
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• 2183[15:51:44] <petn-randall> malina: The on disk size has not much to do with the actual file size.
• 2184[15:51:52] <jack_rip_vim> i will put the video at youtubee
• 2185[15:52:01] <teraflops> no
• 2186[15:52:09] <teraflops> deal broken
• 2187[15:52:11] <jack_rip_vim> ?
• 2188[15:52:52] <teraflops> jack_rip_vim: no yt no facebook no socialcrap
• 2189[15:52:53] <teraflops> sorry
• 2190[15:53:09] <Idiosyncratic> teraflops: I'm glad you spared the world of seeing what perversions you do with your computer
• 2191[15:53:15] <malina> petn-randall, ok.. well I was trying now to create a file with the sizes of various files within a dir (both dirs and files). I am using stat ot get file size, which should work fine, regardless of tmpfs or whatever.. but dir sizes differ if I build on tmpfs and ext4
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• 2193[15:53:21] <teraflops> Idiosyncratic: lol
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• 2195[15:53:35] <jack_rip_vim> ok,.
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• 2197[15:53:53] <Idiosyncratic> jack_rip_vim: we do not know WHY you would want to film us
• 2198[15:53:55] <malina> I could of course just remove dir size checking as such, but I just became curious how tmpfs works
• 2199[15:54:03] <malina> when it comes to allocation
• 2200[15:54:14] <jack_rip_vim> made for linux community
• 2201[15:54:28] <Idiosyncratic> jack_rip_vim: only for that?
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• 2203[15:54:34] <jack_rip_vim> yes
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• 2205[15:54:37] <teraflops> well there is people that need help so im done with the offtopic
• 2206[15:54:54] <Idiosyncratic> teraflops: you need help the most.
• 2207[15:55:09] <Idiosyncratic> teraflops: :D
• 2208[15:55:17] <jack_rip_vim> make people know you, it is ok
• 2209[15:55:22] <petn-randall> malina: What exactly are you checking, as in which commands are you using? If you compare on-disk directory sizes, they'll likely be different on different file systems. But if you compare the "true" file sizes, they should be the same everywhere, assuming you're doing the same builds.
• 2210[15:55:28] <malina> (btw, I will just remove the dir-size as any meaningful thing to check for)
• 2211[15:55:31] <jack_rip_vim> we develop linux
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• 2213[15:55:55] <malina> petn-randall, yes, but it won't work for my dirs.
• 2214[15:56:18] <petn-randall> Hey jack_rip_vim, Idiosyncratic, teraflops, can you talk this discussion over to #debian-offtopic?
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• 2217[15:56:39] <jack_rip_vim> :D
• 2218[15:56:40] <Idiosyncratic> petn-randall: got it
• 2219[15:56:45] <malina> for if i use stat -c "%n size=%s" {dir,file} , it differs if I build on ext4 *4k for example*, whereas from tmpfs it can be 20,40..80
• 2220[15:57:20] <malina> then if I wish to check after the file with the size info , vs. a build done somewhere else, it could be seem wrong?
• 2221[15:57:47] <petn-randall> malina: Have you compared the hashes, are the file identical?
• 2222[15:58:04] <malina> the files work as expected
• 2223[15:58:08] <malina> hashes r same and sizes
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• 2225[15:58:13] <malina> but it was the dirs, which confused me
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• 2227[15:58:44] <malina> I have decided right now I will not use dir size as a parameter to check for equality
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• 2229[15:59:56] <teraflops> what about checksums
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• 2234[16:00:57] <malina> hmm I compressed a folder from /tmp/fold and then cp -a fold to an ext4 location and checksums differ
• 2235[16:01:05] <petn-randall> malina: Oh, literally the stat command running on a dir?
• 2236[16:01:13] <malina> now I think I am confusing myself
• 2237[16:01:18] <malina> ye petn-randall :/
• 2238[16:01:26] <malina> I am sure I am doing something silly.. I am not using stat in C
• 2239[16:01:27] <malina> no
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• 2241[16:01:52] <malina> (although I do intend to probably port current bash scripts to C later on)
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• 2243[16:02:11] <petn-randall> malina: I'd completely ignore that for comparison purposes. A directory size with 'stat' just tells you how many bytes the directory inodes use on disk. They'll be completely different on different filesystems.
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• 2247[16:02:48] <Peasant65> hi!! Can I use wildcards in apt pinning? Like Package: php* would only select packages from that pin starting with php?
• 2248[16:02:57] <malina> ya, makes sense now when I noticed it on tmpfs.. and hence, why I will remove that. I just didn't quite grasp how or why (as in not quite sure how stat finds the size). Thanks
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• 2253[16:03:36] <petn-randall> Peasant65: Sure, the way it's documented in 'man apt_preferences'.
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• 2256[16:03:53] <Peasant65> great :)
• 2257[16:03:58] <petn-randall> malina: You're welcome.
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• 2264[16:07:26] <Peasant65> So another question: Is it possible to install php7 alongside php5 ? There are some general php-* packages. Are those supposed to be used by both?
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• 2268[16:08:24] <malina> btw how is this whole systemd transitioning going at debian?
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• 2270[16:09:30] <petn-randall> ,v php7
• 2271[16:09:31] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
• 2272[16:09:50] <petn-randall> ,v php7.0
• 2273[16:09:51] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.11-1; stretch: 7.0.11-1
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• 2277[16:10:18] <petn-randall> Peasant65: Since PHP7 is only in stretch, you'd need to backport the packages.
• 2278[16:10:29] <petn-randall> !tell Peasant65 about ssb
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• 2280[16:11:14] <petn-randall> Peasant65: Check the PM from dpkg, that's how you could backport it yourself. Is there a reason you need php7?
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• 2283[16:11:55] <malina> hmm, if I tar -cf test.tgz some/folder in tmpfs, and then on ext4, they differ in checksums :o I wasn't aware of that.. all these years and I hadn't noticed
• 2284[16:12:11] <Peasant65> petn-randall, There are some new features i´d love to try out.
• 2285[16:12:41] <petn-randall> Peasant65: You can always fire up a VM and upgrade it to stretch to test that stuff.
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• 2289[16:12:55] <petn-randall> Peasant65: I'm guessing that's the easiest way to do.
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• 2295[16:15:11] <Peasant65> petn-randall, Why wouldn´t I just install it from testing?
• 2296[16:15:20] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
• 2297[16:15:20] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 2298[16:15:23] <petn-randall> Peasant65: ^^
• 2299[16:15:52] <petn-randall> Peasant65: Because mixing stable and testing will break your system in cruel and unusual ways.
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• 2301[16:17:39] <teraflops> judd says you cannot backport php7.0 ^
• 2302[16:17:54] <Peasant65> petn-randall, I´ve read all over the internet that mixing stable with testing is quite do-able
• 2303[16:18:18] <teraflops> apt pining?
• 2304[16:18:24] <Peasant65> yae
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• 2306[16:18:26] <Peasant65> *yea
• 2307[16:18:57] <teraflops> well whatever floats your goat
• 2308[16:19:10] <Peasant65> I first wanted to use dotdeb, but they don´t have armhf packages available
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• 2311[16:20:51] <teraflops> Peasant65: but this channels stands for debian stable
• 2312[16:20:56] <teraflops> channel*
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• 2316[16:21:27] <Peasant65> I know
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• 2318[16:22:04] <Peasant65> 99% of the system would still run stable, only php7.0 would be installed from testing
• 2319[16:23:01] <dutchfish> Peasant65, there is a good reason, why it is called 'testing', dont use php7.0 on a webserver yet. You are on your own when it comes to security.
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• 2322[16:23:41] <teraflops> are you asking for some sort of "go ahead" "it's fine"?
• 2323[16:24:07] <Peasant65> no, i´m just curious what you guys have to say about it
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• 2327[16:25:39] <Peasant65> i´ve heard some people say testing is alright, and i suspected #debian wouldn´t agree, so I want to know you reasoning
• 2328[16:25:50] <Peasant65> *your
• 2329[16:26:23] <dutchfish> Peasant65, well, some of us gave you already the answer, don't
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• 2331[16:26:48] <Peasant65> although that´s not a reason, it´s an advice
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• 2334[16:27:29] <teraflops> wise people don't recommend go run testing or even sid^ in a production server, that's my opinion
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• 2336[16:27:50] <dutchfish> Peasant65, the reason is quiet simple, its not ready yet for production usage. There are bugs lurking inside. If you intention is to hunt for those, in an expirimental setup, go ahead.
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• 2339[16:28:30] <teraflops> wise people don't even give advice since advice itself is a two-edged sword
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• 2342[16:28:54] <Peasant65> teraflops, how so ?
• 2343[16:29:26] <teraflops> im not wise so I recommend not using testing in production servers (even pinning)
• 2344[16:29:33] <teraflops> pining*
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• 2348[16:30:22] <Peasant65> anyway, thx for the insight teraflops dutchfish :)
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• 2351[16:30:55] <teraflops> np
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• 2368[16:40:05] <pingumaharaj> Hello
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• 2413[17:03:33] <petn-randall> Peasant65: Just because someone writes something on the internet doesn't make it true, you should realize this by now. From 10+ years of support in this channel I can say that about 10% of it is hand-holding people who have hosed their system because of mixing stable and testing.
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• 2416[17:04:26] <Peasant65> petn-randall, That´s very usefull, Thx!
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• 2422[17:08:00] <Kenran> Hi, I have a problem with unmet dependencies for 'debconf;
• 2423[17:08:17] <[]][[]> petn-randall: Do you really think someone would DO that?
• 2424[17:08:23] <[]][[]> Just go on the Internet... and tell lies??
• 2425[17:08:33] <Kenran> but apt-get -f install also encounters errors, could anyone help me out by first telling me where to look for information to share with you?
• 2426[17:08:54] <RoyK> Kenran: which distro/version is this?
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• 2428[17:09:57] <Kenran> RoyK: oh oh... It 'was' jessie, but doing cat /etc/*-release it seems like I accidentally must have done apt-get upgrade
• 2429[17:10:13] <Kenran> I get debian gnu/linux stretch/sid now
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• 2432[17:10:50] <RoyK> Kenran: that doesn't happen unless you change the apt sources. See #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
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• 2435[17:11:52] <Kenran> RoyK: I'm somewhat new to debian, what do you mean by 'that'? Like an hour ago the same query still gave me jessie, but I didn't change any sources
• 2436[17:12:46] <RoyK> Kenran: pastebin the output of 'ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list*'
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• 2438[17:12:55] <RoyK> dpkg: tell Kenran about pastebin
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• 2451[17:19:37] <oo_miguel> So I have a quite fresh debian install on my desk and wanted to configure audio (and understanding what I'm doing). In the past I just installed some combinations of pulsaudio/alsa and did some random changes to their configs to achieve what I want :P. This time I would like to make this more controlled. I will want to manage 4 different audio-outputs and 2 audio-inputs now. Where should I start learning
• 2452[17:19:43] <oo_miguel> how audio works in linux?
• 2453[17:19:51] <teraflops> it sounds
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• 2458[17:21:45] <teraflops> oo_miguel: pulseadio is fine, use a mixer (pavucontrol is fine) o just pactl from the cli
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• 2464[17:23:14] <oo_miguel> teraflops: I see that for some rason alsa-base is already installed. Will alsa not interfere with pulseaudio?
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• 2466[17:23:35] <teraflops> oo_miguel: nope, pulseadio runs at top of alsa
• 2467[17:23:52] <oo_miguel> teraflops: oh I see
• 2468[17:24:06] <oo_miguel> I will just apt-get install pulseaudio and play with pactl. thanks
• 2469[17:24:16] <teraflops> oo_miguel: or pavucontrol
• 2470[17:24:25] <teraflops> GUI
• 2471[17:24:55] <oo_miguel> ok, maybe this will be easier for a start. especially for me, who never tried to understand audio on linux yet :P
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• 2473[17:25:03] <teraflops> yeah I guess so
• 2474[17:25:17] <oo_miguel> teraflops: thank you very much for your suggestion!
• 2475[17:25:21] <teraflops> oo_miguel: np
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• 2483[17:27:14] <Kenran> RoyK: only have 1 hand to work with now, baby wants to be carried :) there is a change on the file from 20 minutes ago though where I deleted two testing entries. Could that be the reason?
• 2484[17:27:28] <Kenran> I will paste later though
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• 2486[17:28:06] <RoyK> Kenran: no idea, sorry
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• 2494[17:30:32] <teraflops> oo_miguel: pulseadio means less headaches, replaced-url
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• 2504[17:35:15] <oo_miguel> yeah it looks nice, I hear something now from chromium. through my headphones. but the quality is extremely bad.. maybe I should restart everyhing after having set-up pulseaudio
• 2505[17:35:43] <oo_miguel> Also pulseaudio thinks, that my HDMI output is not plugged-on
• 2506[17:35:44] <teraflops> oo_miguel: bluetooth?
• 2507[17:35:47] <oo_miguel> plugged-in
• 2508[17:35:51] <oo_miguel> no, its all wired
• 2509[17:35:52] <teraflops> ah
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• 2513[17:36:42] <oo_miguel> the headphone output sounds like very very very very hinghly quantizzed :P
• 2514[17:36:46] <oo_miguel> like a robot or something ;)
• 2515[17:36:53] <teraflops> hmm
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• 2517[17:37:04] <oo_miguel> maybe a restart of the computer will help
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• 2521[17:37:41] <teraflops> oo_miguel: yore sure it's ok I mean physically ok (headphones)
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• 2523[17:37:51] <teraflops> you're*
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• 2525[17:38:02] <oo_miguel> teraflops: yeah it worked under ***dows a few hours ago
• 2526[17:38:07] <teraflops> ok heh
• 2527[17:38:39] <oo_miguel> I will restart . brb
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• 2533[17:39:59] <oo_miguel> hmm did not help :P
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• 2537[17:42:21] <oo_miguel> but now the HDMI output is recognized and I can use my tv connected via hdmi as audio-output perfectly
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• 2539[17:42:51] <oo_miguel> so just the headphones output from my motherboard sounds like a highly quantizized robot
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• 2548[17:46:46] <oo_miguel> same applies to the output from VLC
• 2549[17:47:06] <oo_miguel> works fine via hdmi but not well anymore through HEadphones output
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• 2551[17:47:21] <malina> oh, btw petn-randall : is there any noticable difference between bsdtar --format mtree size ... vs. stat size ?
• 2552[17:47:22] <oo_miguel> maybe my sound-chip is not supported on linux
• 2553[17:47:58] <malina> oo_miguel, does your hdmi tv over/underscan or not?
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• 2556[17:50:06] <oo_miguel> tv connected via hdmi works works perctly through pulseuadio
• 2557[17:50:22] <oo_miguel> maline: not sure what over/underscan meens btw :)
• 2558[17:50:47] <oo_miguel> byt when I switch the audio output to my headpones, that hang directly on my motherboard, I get a horrible robot voice
• 2559[17:50:53] <Kenran> RoyK: replaced-url
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• 2564[17:52:11] <teraflops> oo_miguel: weird
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• 2566[17:52:47] <teraflops> oo_miguel: searched for bugs related to your audio hardware?
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• 2568[17:53:44] <oo_miguel> teraflops: no not yet. I will try the regular line-out before too
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• 2570[17:54:01] <oo_miguel> maybe this is only related to the headphones out interface
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• 2574[17:55:47] <petn-randall> malina: No idea, I never used those options with tar.
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• 2576[17:56:46] <Kenran> I don't know how exactly, but that accidental apt-get upgrade must have put my system into a corrupt state
• 2577[17:57:04] <AlwaysHigh> hello
• 2578[17:57:17] <Kenran> I can't really use apt-get to resolve that situation it seems
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• 2580[17:58:15] <Kenran> the debconf package is 'in a very bad inconsistent state', but I can't seem to reinstall it
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• 2585[17:59:40] <Kenran> because it then fails for other reason... I guess I could/should just reinstall the whole distro and be done with it
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• 2587[18:00:15] <malina> okidokie.. thanks :)
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• 2589[18:00:33] <RoyK> kanyeezy: and nothing under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
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• 2592[18:00:46] <RoyK> Kenran: that was for you, sorry kanyeezy
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• 2596[18:01:27] <Kenran> RoyK: only google-chrome.list
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• 2602[18:02:06] <Kenran> RoyK: The two lines I deleted contained testing/updates (from before I had jessie IIRC) and were not working (that is, I got errors that they were outdated) for months so I deleted them
• 2603[18:02:10] <gebruiker> is it possible to install debian with zfs?
• 2604[18:02:27] <gebruiker> (easy way)
• 2605[18:02:53] <RoyK> gebruiker: with zfs root? or zfs for data?
• 2606[18:03:26] <gebruiker> RoyK, root . desktop I want to try it out as i think it is more robust than ext4
• 2607[18:03:29] <RoyK> Kenran: then pray to your favourite god that you haven't installed to much from those testing repos - it can be a bitch to get those removed correctly
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• 2611[18:04:28] <gebruiker> yeah and do not forget the dependencies that where installed along side
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• 2613[18:04:38] <RoyK> gebruiker: I've never setup a linux system with zfs on the root, but it should be doable. I use zfs in a number of boxes for data, though
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• 2615[18:05:52] <RoyK> Kenran: usually the easiest way is to backup what's important and reinstall a fresh jessie
• 2616[18:05:55] <gebruiker> RoyK, i can probably do it manually, but I prefer the lazy way
• 2617[18:06:08] <gebruiker> maybe there is an installer floating arround ?
• 2618[18:06:12] <RoyK> gebruiker: again, zfs root or just zfs data?
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• 2620[18:06:41] <Kenran> RoyK: yeah it must have been what happened. But I'm too unfamiliar with all this to fix it. The debconf package cannot be reinstalled due to errors but it's also necessary for everything else
• 2621[18:06:46] <RoyK> oh - ic - I somewhat skipped that line :P
• 2622[18:06:58] <RoyK> Kenran: no, I don't know any installer for that - google knows :P
• 2623[18:07:00] <Kenran> RoyK: so yeah, that's what I'm doing right now. The worst thing is just when you forget something to backup :D
• 2624[18:07:14] <gebruiker> RoyK, root... i thought i already mentioend that
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• 2630[18:08:14] <RoyK> gebruiker: you did, I just missed it (as I said above)
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• 2639[18:10:06] <Kenran> I'm not very eager to solve all the problems again I had when getting this system to work, though a lot of the config files I can backup
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• 2647[18:11:54] <RoyK> Kenran: you'll learn on the way, and beleive me, with a lot of testing in the packages, it will probably turn into even more issues, and you'll have a hard time getting help in here, since this channel is strictly for debian stable
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• 2653[18:13:34] <Kenran> RoyK: yeah, that's why I wanted to stay on stable. So far my reconstruction of the events is: accidental apt-get upgrade, which must have used the old testing/updates sources that were in my sources.list for some weird package I needed once
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• 2655[18:14:12] <Kenran> then I didn't realize the mistake in time and installed some other packages which suddenly didn't work anymore, then it was too late ><
• 2656[18:14:13] <RoyK> just don't use testing
• 2657[18:14:20] <RoyK> use backports if you need something new
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• 2659[18:14:42] <RoyK> !sns
• 2660[18:14:42] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 2663[18:15:05] <Kenran> RoyK: I don't even know what it was about, something to do with a very peculiar python package. I just needed 'that one' thing and it bit me months later :D
• 2664[18:15:30] <RoyK> well, shit happens to all of us ;)
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• 2666[18:15:46] <Kenran> yeah :D it was way worse when I tried using gentoo years ago for a while
• 2667[18:15:48] <RoyK> Kenran: what does this thing do?
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• 2670[18:15:57] <RoyK> ouch - gentoo...
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• 2678[18:17:55] <Kenran> RoyK: Ahhhh, I think it wasn't about python, I remember now. I needed the newest revision of some terminal emulator for truecolor support, but couldn't get it to compile myself because of some dependency. I tried getting that dependency from the testing sources
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• 2680[18:19:14] <RoyK> classic SNS ;)
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• 2683[18:19:36] <Kenran> RoyK: shiny in the true meaning of the word :D
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• 2687[18:20:24] <Kenran> I think the reason I wanted it was just because I wanted a specific vim color scheme to look identical in the terminal... xD
• 2688[18:21:03] <RoyK> ok, so either upgrade to testing, or reinstall jessie/stable
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• 2690[18:21:27] <Kenran> RoyK: I don't think I can even upgrade to testing. Nothing really works anymore with apt
• 2691[18:21:59] <Kenran> RoyK: I'm downloading a jessie image on my laptop right now and making backups here
• 2692[18:22:18] <Kenran> it's going to be quick, but the installations I need after that won't be
• 2693[18:22:29] <mdlpe> hi, I need up to date library for camera precessing. The libraw in Jessie is too hold and the kernel is too old for my usb wifi. Is it reasonable to install Stretch instead of Jessie ?
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• 2698[18:24:40] <mtn> mdlpe: you can get newer kernels from backports
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• 2701[18:26:06] <missmbob> mdlpe: i just got done building 4.7.6 for jessie depending on how new you want/need it
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• 2709[18:30:26] <missmbob> ,checkbackport libraw15
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• 2712[18:30:27] <judd> Backporting package libraw15 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 2713[18:30:47] <missmbob> so yes, installing stretch for new kernel and libraw is unreasonable
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• 2721[18:35:00] <gebruiker> is deepin desktop environment available in debian jessie?
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• 2728[18:36:02] <gebruiker> i have not found it yet, it is odd because the deepin distro is based on debian
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• 2748[18:46:21] <awal1> gebruiker, no available at all (stable - testing - unstable)
• 2749[18:46:38] <gebruiker> awal1, do you know about the DE?
• 2750[18:47:08] <awal1> gebruiker, which? deepin?
• 2751[18:47:44] <gebruiker> awal1, replaced-url
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• 2758[18:50:00] <awal1> gebruiker, no idea about deepin, apart being a chinese, based on unstable branch and looks like the DE is a fork of gnome-shell
• 2759[18:50:23] <missmbob> "compatible with windows, android and webapp applications" - deepin sure claims a lot
• 2760[18:50:31] <awal1> dpkg: what is deepin
• 2761[18:50:31] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, awal1
• 2762[18:51:47] <awal1> gebruiker, if you want to run deepin or get info about it, you are in the wrong channel
• 2763[18:52:05] <jelly> dpkg, deepin
• 2764[18:52:06] <dpkg> jelly: I give up, what is it?
• 2765[18:52:41] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 2767[18:53:27] <Phryq> hi, I just did a fresh install of AntiX (which is based on Debian) and can't get the wifi to work. Could anyone help me?
• 2768[18:53:58] <awal1> :D
• 2769[18:53:59] <missmbob> !antix
• 2770[18:53:59] <dpkg> antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 2771[18:54:05] <missmbob> Phryq: you can go ask them ^
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• 2774[18:54:28] <Phryq> ok, thanks
• 2775[18:54:55] <RoyK> deepin is based on sid... well - not my cup of tea
• 2776[18:55:23] <RoyK> Sid is the kid that breaks toys
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• 2797[19:02:30] <gebruiker> awal1, what didn you think of the video?
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• 2801[19:04:26] <mdlpe> thanks, I apologize for the delay. I'll get the libraw I need. But I need a recent kernel for my Usb wifi. I need to compile a new kernel for Jessie.
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• 2804[19:05:18] <missmbob> mdlpe: no you dont. jessie-backports has 4.6 ready for you
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• 2808[19:06:03] <awal1> gebruiker, I havent seen it :P
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• 2811[19:06:41] <gebruiker> ahh you missed something great... it was an intro into the deepin DE
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• 2813[19:06:50] <gebruiker> dpkg, tell us about deepin desktop environment
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• 2815[19:06:51] <dpkg> gebruiker wants you to know: somebody said deepin desktop environment was a desktop environment
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• 2817[19:07:12] <missmbob> gebruiker: go to #debian-offtopic if you wawnt
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• 2822[19:07:34] <awal1> I'm perfectly served with debian, i don't need nothing more, gebruiker
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• 2830[19:09:02] <medfly> hello debian people
• 2831[19:09:13] <medfly> I keep seeing this, what is supposed to be the fix for it
• 2832[19:09:14] <medfly> /usr/include/features.h:374:25: fatal error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory
• 2833[19:09:17] <medfly> # include <sys/cdefs.h>
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• 2840[19:10:06] <missmbob> medfly: that's a weird thing to need. anyway install libc6-dev
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• 2842[19:10:32] <mdlpe> missmbob: thanks, i'll check it
• 2843[19:10:34] <medfly> thx
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• 2845[19:11:17] <missmbob> mdlpe: if you need/want newer than 4.6 i just finished 4.7.6. replaced-url
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• 2850[19:12:20] <mdlpe> missmbob: oh, not. 4.6 is perfect
• 2851[19:12:44] <zamba> i have two wireless interfaces on a debian installation.. the problem is that it's more or less random which interface is wlan0 and which is wlan1
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• 2853[19:12:50] <zamba> how can i make this predictable?
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• 2859[19:14:11] <mdlpe> zamba: normally the wlan0 is your first card, wlan1 your second one. This never change
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• 2862[19:14:57] <zamba> mdlpe: it has here
• 2863[19:15:16] <zamba> mdlpe: all of a sudden the external, usb-connected wireless card has become wlan1
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• 2869[19:16:53] <mdlpe> zamba: every card as an id in your system. If you plug an extra wifi usb card it will be wlan2. But this card will always associated to wlan2
• 2870[19:17:02] <zamba> i can of course boot the system with the usb card disconnected
• 2871[19:17:06] <zamba> but that seems a little backwards
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• 2873[19:17:11] <missmbob> !udev mac
• 2874[19:17:11] <dpkg> udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>.
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• 2876[19:17:34] <missmbob> mdlpe: you're wrong about that
• 2877[19:17:35] <mdlpe> why to rename card ?
• 2878[19:17:39] <zamba> missmbob: i don't have 70-persistent-net.rules
• 2879[19:17:44] <zamba> i only have 99-com.rules
• 2880[19:17:45] <missmbob> zamba: so create it
• 2881[19:18:00] <medfly> missmbob: It ends up in the builds of things like gcc
• 2882[19:18:00] <zamba> i should probably say that the hardware here is a raspberry pi 3
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• 2885[19:18:16] <mdlpe> missmbob: i have 3 wifi card on my system it's works as this.
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• 2887[19:18:30] <missmbob> mdlpe: that's good for you
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• 2890[19:19:56] <missmbob> zamba: the filename doesnt matter. this might help replaced-url
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• 2892[19:20:07] <mdlpe> if i unplugged the card wlan1 and plug the card associated to wlan2, it doesn't become wlan1 but stays wlan2, wlan1 plugged or not
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• 2895[19:21:18] <mdlpe> in network manager
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• 2902[19:24:10] <zamba> missmbob: doesn't look like it sticks
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• 2904[19:24:35] <zamba> missmbob: i've created /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules with the following content:
• 2905[19:24:40] <zamba> KERNEL=="wlan*", SYSFS{address}=="b8:27:eb:f9:ce:ae", NAME="wlan0"
• 2906[19:24:42] <zamba> KERNEL=="wlan*", SYSFS{address}=="38:0a:0a:a2:a9:ea", NAME="wlan1"
• 2907[19:24:59] <zamba> but after reboot (with the external usb card connected) the 38:0a-card is wlan0
• 2908[19:25:04] <zamba> and b8:27 is wlan1
• 2909[19:25:52] <mdlpe> zamba, i tell you the interface is not random
• 2910[19:26:06] <zamba> mdlpe: well, why was it the other way around earlier?
• 2911[19:26:42] <zamba> mdlpe: and i'm telling you it is.. because i have configuration files that "proved" that it was the other way around..
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• 2914[19:27:01] <iamawesome> Hi, how can I list/check dependency of a program such as vim?
• 2915[19:27:06] <iamawesome> I've already installed it
• 2916[19:27:07] <zamba> mdlpe: since i have two entirely different functions on the two interfaces
• 2917[19:27:20] <missmbob> zamba: looks like systemd "fixed" this. replaced-url
• 2918[19:27:21] <iamawesome> Now I want to list its dependency, is it possible?
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• 2921[19:27:49] <zamba> missmbob: i have wlanX, not wlX
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• 2923[19:28:08] <mdlpe> zamba, what you want to do ? Use one card for one access point and another card as the same time ?
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• 2925[19:28:42] <missmbob> zamba: that doesnt matter. did you read the "change device name" section?
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• 2929[19:29:58] <zamba> missmbob: yeah, trying tht now
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• 2931[19:30:07] <peterrooney> iamawesome: apt-cache show packagename | grep Depends
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• 2933[19:31:14] <zamba> finally
• 2934[19:31:16] <zamba> that worked
• 2935[19:31:19] <missmbob> zamba: yay
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• 2937[19:31:47] <missmbob> zamba: it's nice to fix a problem that doesn't exist
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• 2943[19:34:01] <mdlpe> thanks to all, I'll try to install the Debian I need on external drive. bye
• 2944[19:34:43] <awal1> petrrooney, apt-cache depends pkgname is shorter (command) :P
• 2945[19:34:55] <awal1> peterrooney
• 2946[19:35:12] <missmbob> apt depends foo. i win.
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• 2949[19:35:38] <awal1> missbob, thats more shorter yeah :P
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• 2957[19:38:58] <ernestonavarro> hello guys, ready for something fun?
• 2958[19:38:59] <awal1> I wonder why apt/apt-get/aptitude/dpkg... doesn't the features,like Suse pkg manager "zipper", for shorten some commands like zipper update / zipper up
• 2959[19:39:13] <awal1> doesn't have ^
• 2960[19:39:17] <ernestonavarro> replaced-url
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• 2962[19:40:00] <awal1> btw, zipper is available in debian; anyone have tried it?
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• 2967[19:41:16] <ernestonavarro> any idea why my clock is changing like that?
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• 2970[19:42:45] <missmbob> ernestonavarro: are you running debian? debian doesnt use systemd-timesyncd by default
• 2971[19:42:59] <ernestonavarro> yes I'm running debian
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• 2973[19:44:33] <ernestonavarro> the problem is ntp is not working well neither
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• 2976[19:45:35] <iamawesome> Hi, there is synaptic and also gpk-application , which one do you use?
• 2977[19:45:40] <iamawesome> Which one should someone use?
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• 2982[19:47:36] <brrz> I am trying to use VAAPI on my debian server. Does someone know what packages I need to enable it for my intel processor?
• 2983[19:47:39] <ernestonavarro> @missmbob something is changing the time back
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• 2986[19:47:59] <ernestonavarro> even with ntp
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• 2995[19:49:26] <awal1> ,v gpk-application
• 2996[19:49:27] <judd> No package named 'gpk-application' was found in amd64.
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• 3000[19:50:29] <awal1> iamawesome, what's gpk-application?
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• 3005[19:52:10] <iamawesome> gnome-packagekit , i think
• 3006[19:52:22] <brrz> do i need to install graphics driver like mesa to be able to use VAAPI, or is the va-driver package enough?
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• 3013[19:54:47] <missmbob> iamawesome: use what you prefer. i hate and use neither. there is no "right"
• 3014[19:54:49] <nkuttler> brrz: you need the normal xorg drivers, yeah
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• 3024[19:56:32] <teraflops> hmm
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• 3030[19:58:21] <teraflops> for newer intel gpus you don't need xserver-xorg-video-intel
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• 3032[19:59:17] <teraflops> …at all, I meant it is not mandatory
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• 3040[20:03:08] <teraflops> brrz vainfo for checking it and mpv/mplayer with hwdec enabled so you can see the output
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• 3043[20:03:34] <brrz> ok? mine is broadwell, I would like to not install the whole X thing :)
• 3044[20:04:03] <teraflops> brrz: wait, I was talking about modesetting
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• 3046[20:04:20] <teraflops> as in you dont use xorg intel driver and you use the kernel one
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• 3049[20:04:46] <teraflops> sometimes it helps, sometimes don't
• 3050[20:05:16] <brrz> sry I dont get that
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• 3052[20:06:29] <brrz> but generally to be on the safe side I should install xorg drivers, right?
• 3053[20:07:09] <teraflops> xorg not using xserver-xorg-video-intel just the kernel mode setting driver
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• 3056[20:07:35] <teraflops> brrz: yeah sure, just saying
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• 3060[20:08:49] <brrz> ok, thanks! I will try to upgrade to backported kernel and install the newest mesa thingies :)
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• 3063[20:10:10] <mazert> hello, i'm installing redmine through the official debian package, but after following the wiki, i can't make it working. replaced-url
• 3064[20:10:53] <mazert> he is my actual virtual host for redmine http : replaced-url
• 3065[20:12:02] <mazert> the problem is that i cannot get the web homepage of redmine
• 3066[20:13:31] <mazert> if i put replaced-url
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• 3075[20:17:43] <missmbob> mazert: it's working here
• 3076[20:17:57] <missmbob> i can even see replaced-url
• 3077[20:17:58] <brrz> stumblede accross another problem: apt install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 fails with unmet dependencies that are not installable
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• 3081[20:18:21] <brrz> linux-image-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 but it is not installable
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• 3083[20:18:30] <missmbob> brrz: paste.debian.net your sources.list
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• 3085[20:19:06] <missmbob> brrz: plus have you apt-get update lately?
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• 3087[20:19:43] <brrz> replaced-url
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• 3090[20:20:39] <brrz> uname -r: 3.16.0-4-amd64
• 3091[20:21:08] <mazert> missmbob: ah.. i did'nt know the existence of this url. Ok thanks you !
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• 3095[20:24:09] <Ormu> NL repository mirror is clogged? downloading package list is extremely slow
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• 3104[20:29:24] <Ormu> ping shows high packet loss
• 3105[20:29:35] <Ormu> perhaps i should change mirror...
• 3106[20:29:40] <jhutchins> !mirror status
• 3107[20:29:41] <dpkg> Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: replaced-url
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• 3109[20:30:23] <jhutchins> Ormu: You could run a diagnostic. Usually that's a sign that one of the ISPs along the route has a failing router. Could be anywhere.
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• 3111[20:30:41] <jhutchins> Ormu: If another site has the same problem, it's likely close to your end.
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• 3125[20:39:57] <Ormu> changed mirror, now it's faster
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• 3127[20:40:57] <brrz> tried installing the new kernel with aptitude, same weird error: replaced-url
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• 3130[20:42:12] <ernestonavarro> replaced-url
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• 3132[20:42:38] <rozie> Depends: linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 which is a virtual package.
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• 3134[20:42:56] <rozie> probably some mistake in packaging
• 3135[20:43:11] <crash_> that package is fine for me
• 3136[20:43:14] <crash_> kernel
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• 3140[20:45:14] <brrz> crash_: so why is the installation not working?
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• 3142[20:45:42] <missmbob> brrz: backports is just now moving to 4.7.0...so some virtual packages are off. replaced-url
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• 3149[20:48:00] <brrz> missmbob: So should I wait or switch to a more up to date repository?
• 3150[20:48:32] <missmbob> brrz: i'd just download the package 4.7.0 bpo package manually and dpkg -i
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• 3159[20:49:54] <brrz> missmbob: sounds good, thanks for the info!
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• 3170[20:52:56] <Elronnd> let's say I wanted to serve content from my home computer
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• 3172[20:53:01] <Elronnd> how would I go about doing this?
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• 3174[20:53:12] <Elronnd> and how would this work at all since I don't have a dedicated ip address?
• 3175[20:54:12] <missmbob> Elronnd: if you dont have a debian-related question you can try #debian-offtopic
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• 3178[20:55:03] <Elronnd> in what way is it not debian-related?
• 3179[20:55:54] <missmbob> has nothing to do with debian support. what content? email? calendar? web? tor? how do you want to use nat? home router? netfilter? all basic but not debian support
• 3180[20:56:49] <Elronnd> pretty much, is there a way to open up a socket between another computer and my computer
• 3181[20:56:55] <crash_> brrz: i installed the 4.6.0 a while ago, maybe it's not working at the moment only :)
• 3182[20:57:01] <Elronnd> once I know how to accomplish that, I can serve any number of those things
• 3183[20:57:11] <missmbob> Elronnd: that question has nothing to do with debian. thus offtopic. depends on your router
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• 3185[20:57:29] <Elronnd> ahh
• 3186[20:57:30] <Elronnd> okay
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• 3189[20:58:50] <peterrooney> Elronnd: you might start with ##networking, but be prepared to answer what you'
• 3190[20:59:18] <ernestonavarro> help!!!!
• 3191[20:59:24] <peterrooney> re really trying to do. specific requests generally lead to faster aid than vague requests
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• 3194[20:59:59] <brrz> crash_: seems so :)
• 3195[21:00:08] * peterrooney wishes to find a way to bind ^Enter to Enter, or move the quote key
• 3196[21:00:35] <Ormu> :O
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• 3199[21:01:10] <FunnyBunny> Hello
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• 3201[21:01:15] <FunnyBunny> Anyone here?
• 3202[21:01:25] <FunnyBunny> Im selling bitcoin
• 3203[21:01:33] <mtn> no
• 3204[21:01:38] <[]][[]> lol
• 3205[21:01:43] <crash_> FunnyBunny: wrong channel
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• 3207[21:01:44] <FunnyBunny> Want the adress?
• 3208[21:01:44] <[]][[]> are you trolling
• 3209[21:01:49] <FunnyBunny> No
• 3210[21:01:52] <[]][[]> why not
• 3211[21:01:54] <[]][[]> you should try it
• 3212[21:01:54] <FunnyBunny> Want the addres?
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• 3215[21:02:01] <mtn> no
• 3216[21:02:03] <[]][[]> it would be less embarrassing than this
• 3217[21:02:08] <FunnyBunny> 3N3yu48sPSH9KjXqVtGmLuQaiQSWGAgHBT
• 3218[21:02:15] <FunnyBunny> Theres the adress
• 3219[21:02:19] <FunnyBunny> Address
• 3220[21:02:21] <mtn> FunnyBunny: stop spamming
• 3221[21:02:38] <FunnyBunny> So
• 3222[21:02:47] <FunnyBunny> U waint it
• 3223[21:02:52] <FunnyBunny> Waint*
• 3224[21:02:54] <FunnyBunny> Want*
• 3225[21:02:57] <mtn> idiot
• 3226[21:03:04] <[]][[]> lol
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• 3228[21:03:10] <xand> FunnyBunny: go away please.
• 3229[21:03:12] <[]][[]> mtn: want to buy some weed!??!?!
• 3230[21:03:17] <FunnyBunny> Yes i do
• 3231[21:03:22] <FunnyBunny> With this very bit coin
• 3232[21:03:24] <[]][[]> wow
• 3233[21:03:25] <francoisk> FunnyBunny is selling funny money
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• 3235[21:03:30] <[]][[]> okay, i've sent the weed
• 3236[21:03:33] <[]][[]> please give me the bitcoin now
• 3237[21:03:34] <mtn> !ops FunnyBunny is spamming
• 3238[21:03:34] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: mtn complains about: FunnyBunny is spamming
• 3239[21:03:36] <FunnyBunny> I always want a pass to a red room
• 3240[21:03:42] <[]][[]> thx
• 3241[21:03:54] <FunnyBunny> And some crush porn while were at it
• 3242[21:04:03] <FunnyBunny> Fucking muppets
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• 3245[21:04:22] <[]][[]> man
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• 3248[21:04:29] <[]][[]> back in the day trolling meant something
• 3249[21:04:31] <[]][[]> it was a art
• 3250[21:04:51] <[]][[]> now you just get people who think talking in #debian about stuff that isn't debian is some kind of amazing pwn
• 3251[21:04:51] <FunnyBunny> Now ur just a oldfag on an irc chatroom
• 3252[21:05:09] <[]][[]> wow i'm insanely pwned by that line
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• 3254[21:05:16] <[]][[]> :O <----- me
• 3255[21:05:25] <mtn> []][[]: stop feeding the troll
• 3256[21:05:38] <FunnyBunny> Dude i have bitcoin
• 3257[21:05:48] <FunnyBunny> o.ooo23
• 3258[21:05:52] <FunnyBunny> Lol
• 3259[21:05:53] <[]][[]> okay but you can't just go into random channels on freenode and sell bitcoins
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• 3261[21:05:58] <[]][[]> there is a #bitcoin
• 3262[21:06:04] <[]][[]> specifically for that
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• 3265[21:06:36] <FunnyBunny> Dude chill out im just bored out of my fucking mind and trying to find something to do with this bitcoin address
• 3266[21:06:55] <[]][[]> im not chilled in
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• 3269[21:07:13] <FunnyBunny> Well what are u doing here
• 3270[21:07:14] <[]][[]> im posting from a mountaintop in tibet rn
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• 3272[21:07:25] <[]][[]> i just smoked a bowl with the dalai lama
• 3273[21:07:34] <FunnyBunny> Nice
• 3274[21:07:37] <FunnyBunny> Sounds hot
• 3275[21:07:38] <mtn> two trolls, how droll
• 3276[21:07:41] <crash_> !ops FunnyBunny spam
• 3277[21:07:41] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: crash_ complains about: FunnyBunny spam
• 3278[21:07:45] <FunnyBunny> Mtn fuck off
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• 3280[21:07:52] <mtn> ah, how cute
• 3281[21:07:55] <Ormu> :=O
• 3282[21:08:03] <[]][[]> anyway uh i have to go see a man about a dog
• 3283[21:08:12] <[]][[]> but good luck with whatever
• 3284[21:08:14] <dontknow> how can i enter bitcoin adress?
• 3285[21:08:21] <FunnyBunny> Mtn what u doin around here
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• 3287[21:08:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
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• 3291[21:08:52] <FunnyBunny> Mtn
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• 3301[21:10:13] <up2late> lol
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• 3314[21:14:07] <tom99> 2 trolls one channel?
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• 3317[21:14:49] <jelly> moving on... keep your lines to tech support please?
• 3318[21:14:54] <dontknow> tom99, i get you eww
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• 3325[21:15:55] <dontknow> jelly, but it is too silent with only tech support
• 3326[21:16:13] <jelly> dontknow: that's precisely how we like it.
• 3327[21:16:42] <Elronnd> is there a way to make it so that when I alt-tab, each window gets its own entry
• 3328[21:16:54] <Elronnd> intsead of each application
• 3329[21:17:14] <Elronnd> so that if I, say, have to copies of xterm open, I don't have to alt-tab-downarrow-left
• 3330[21:17:30] <Elronnd> s/to/two/g
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• 3332[21:18:13] <jelly> Elronnd: the behavior depends on your window manager. It behaves exactly like that on my xfce
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• 3334[21:19:26] <jelly> figure which wm or DE you're using, then maybe someone will know if it's possible to configure it to your liking
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• 3339[21:22:16] <Elronnd> well
• 3340[21:22:18] <Elronnd> nvm
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• 3342[21:22:30] <Elronnd> I keep using gnome, idk why, because I prefer fvwm
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• 3354[21:28:30] <ilera> hey there, im currently getting an issue on the screen that says "radeon kernel modesetting for r600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree" and im not sure how to get past it
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• 3356[21:29:44] <LtL> ilera: install firmware-linux-nonfree ?
• 3357[21:30:23] <ilera> how do i install it though?
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• 3359[21:30:37] <ilera> that's the bit im not sure on right now
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• 3361[21:30:56] <qman__> enable nonfree repository, apt-get install it
• 3362[21:30:58] <Elronnd> ilera: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
• 3363[21:31:08] <Elronnd> you have to enable nonfree in your sources.list
• 3364[21:31:16] <LtL> ilera: enable non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list update ; apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
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• 3368[21:31:22] <jelly> ilera: does the recovery boot option work instead?
• 3369[21:31:59] <jelly> which debian release is this, ilera?
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• 3371[21:32:27] <ilera> jessie
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• 3373[21:33:06] <xpkill23> sorry serach debain german
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• 3377[21:36:53] <simonlnu> !de
• 3378[21:36:54] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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• 3397[21:54:06] <noahmg123> Both buttons on my touchpad rightclick
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• 3405[21:57:22] <waada> i think my debian installation is broken
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• 3408[21:58:23] <waada> it is too slow and unstable
• 3409[21:58:39] <dieterd> Now I use Linux on Yoga 300. Most is working out of the box. Touch, acceleration grafic, sound, wlan. Not working is batterie status with acpi.
• 3410[21:58:41] <waada> when I had my x86 installation of debian it was fine but my x64 installation is way too slow
• 3411[21:59:33] <somiaj> waada: what version of debian is this new install? What version was your old install?
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• 3414[22:00:25] <waada> somiaj: It was 8.1 i think this one is 8.5
• 3415[22:00:27] <somiaj> dieterd: does that have a bios/firmware config of some sort. Sometimes you can toggle the various acpi modes the firmware uses which can help linux.
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• 3417[22:01:10] <somiaj> waada: they are both jessie, so they are very similar. I'm unsure what the issue could be. Same hardware just 64bit vs 32bit? Using a different desktop enviroment?
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• 3419[22:01:37] <dieterd> in uefi-bios there was no change of this available.
• 3420[22:01:37] <somiaj> waada: slowness can come from cpu, memeory (if you use up your memeory and start using swap that will slow things down) or i/o bus can slow things down too.
• 3421[22:02:02] <waada> well sometimes when dealing with resource intensive tasks such as copying a large amount of data
• 3422[22:02:12] <waada> my CPU hangs and everything becomes unresponsive for a few minutes
• 3423[22:02:17] <waada> its very annoying
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• 3425[22:02:53] <dieterd> I found same trouble there: replaced-url
• 3426[22:03:01] <somiaj> waada: that could be an i/o issue, I dno't see what 32bit vs 64bit would have to do with it. I would see that as more of a coiendence. When it happens, check dmesg, see if there are any warnings/errors from your hardware.
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• 3430[22:04:04] <waada> dmesg only seems to show usb and bluetooth errors
• 3431[22:04:14] <dieterd> 0.000000] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000000000006f000-0x000000000006ffff] ACPI NVSa
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• 3433[22:04:28] <waada> somiaj: replaced-url
• 3434[22:05:09] <waada> I don't remember putting a broadcom device into my laptop though, might be from my phone
• 3435[22:05:10] <somiaj> dieterd: my experience is different firmware likes to handel acpi differently and it isn't always compadable with the linux kernel.
• 3436[22:05:23] <somiaj> dieterd: You may get better luck with the kernel from jessie-backports. But not positive here
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• 3439[22:06:34] <missmbob> for the love of god fix your bluetooth
• 3440[22:06:36] <somiaj> waada: are you unpluging/plugging in a usb device, or could this be something wrong with the device/cable such that it is pluged in but keeps disconencting and reconnecting?
• 3441[22:06:37] <dieterd> No NUMA configuration found.
• 3442[22:07:02] <waada> somiaj: I'm not sure. I don't remember plugging any device today or in a few weeks other than my phone which I used to charge or put data on sometimes
• 3443[22:07:27] <somiaj> waada: unsure if that issue is causing your slowness, but I would fix that issue and see if it helps.
• 3444[22:07:42] <waada> how could I fix it
• 3445[22:08:15] <missmbob> waada: replaced-url
• 3446[22:08:18] <ilera> LtL, i've added non-free to sources.list but it's still not finding it
• 3447[22:08:23] <somiaj> waada: I don't have enough experience with bluetooth to be of much help. But seems like missmbob has some suggestions.
• 3448[22:08:30] <dieterd> .154815] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so disable it
• 3449[22:08:37] <somiaj> ilera: what package are you using? did you run apt-get update after changing your sources.list
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• 3454[22:09:14] <waada> it says cp: cannot create regular file ‘/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd’: No such file or directory
• 3455[22:09:23] <waada> should I create /lib/firmware/brcm
• 3456[22:09:39] <somiaj> waada: correct
• 3457[22:09:53] <waada> ok i will reboot now
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• 3461[22:10:21] <ilera> somiaj, jessie and yes, but it's saying it's not able to resolve to fpt.uk.debian.org or any of the other debian addresse
• 3462[22:10:24] <ilera> *addresses
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• 3467[22:10:54] <somiaj> ilera: You ahve a typo, it is ftp.uk.debian.org, but I suggest using httpredir.debian.org
• 3468[22:10:59] <somiaj> !httpredir.debian.org
• 3469[22:10:59] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb replaced-url
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• 3473[22:11:45] <somiaj> ilera: you can also paste your sources.list at paste.debian.net if you want someone to double check it
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• 3475[22:12:03] <ilera> sure, one momen
• 3476[22:12:06] <_rubik> Where does the 'write' command store logs?
• 3477[22:13:07] <dieterd> There are some acpi error messages. Battery status uses i2c bus.
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• 3481[22:14:11] <somiaj> _rubik: I don't think it makes logs. And I'm not seeing any mention of logging in the manpage
• 3482[22:14:53] <_rubik> somiaj: Cool thanks. Kinda a bummer if you want to look back on convserations. Are there any decent alternatives
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• 3487[22:15:38] <ilera> somiaj, replaced-url
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• 3489[22:15:58] <missmbob> !tell ilera about debian-next
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• 3493[22:16:33] <missmbob> ilera: btw your lines 3-7 couldn't be more meaningless
• 3494[22:16:59] <ilera> just typing what it says on the screen
• 3495[22:17:04] <somiaj> ilera: you don't need line 7 when running stretch. It looks fine, unsure why it isn't resolving those dns address. You could try httpredir.debian.org over ftp.uk.debian.org if you are still having problems.
• 3496[22:17:16] <awal1> fine no
• 3497[22:17:28] <somiaj> security sources are rarely used for stretch, but in rare occasions the debian security team will introduce security fixes through them.
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• 3499[22:17:36] <awal1> lines 4 & 5 debian/security
• 3500[22:17:42] <awal1> not debian-security
• 3501[22:17:44] <missmbob> ilera: you realize you said jessie but you posted stretch sources, right? you're in the wrong place and confused
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• 3504[22:17:59] <waada> the firmware fixed the error
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• 3506[22:18:10] <waada> but my laptop is still a bit more unstable than the x86 equivalent of my debian installation
• 3507[22:18:20] <missmbob> waada: you're not saying anything of value
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• 3509[22:19:03] <missmbob> waada: a) you've used it for 3 minutes since fixing firmware b) ..yeah..you said nothing.
• 3510[22:19:05] <dieterd> May be Netbook is so new, that I have to wait some month?
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• 3513[22:19:16] <awal1> ilera: a perfect example of sources.list; change jessie by stretch replaced-url
• 3514[22:19:23] <waada> what do you want me to say? my laptop is just very unstable and my ram seems to have shrunk
• 3515[22:19:33] <waada> ive had 2gb ram and now i have 1.8gb some how
• 3516[22:19:39] <missmbob> awal1: no that wont make good stretch sources
• 3517[22:19:59] <teraflops> waada: because integrated GPU?
• 3518[22:20:06] <awal1> missbob, why not?
• 3519[22:20:10] <waada> gpu?
• 3520[22:20:11] <waada> oh
• 3521[22:20:13] <dieterd> waada: shared momory
• 3522[22:20:14] <pinkshady> Scott discusses how his SJW neighbor called the cops, hired an attorney, and is trying to get him kicked out of his house. All because of “peace and love”.
• 3523[22:20:16] <waada> yeah i dont know if thats the problem
• 3524[22:20:35] <pinkshady> replaced-url
• 3525[22:20:43] <missmbob> awal1: because not everything applies. updates, for example
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• 3528[22:21:11] <missmbob> waada: when you come up with a real problem that has a description let us know
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• 3532[22:22:21] <awal1> missmbob, you mean the volatiles?
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• 3535[22:22:31] <waada> ok so, my previous debian installation was an 8.1 x86 jessie installation but I tried installing debian 8.5 x64 afterwards and it seems to be slower for some reason
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• 3538[22:22:42] <waada> so the problem is that 8.5 x64 is slowed than 8.1 x86 or at least on my machine
• 3539[22:22:45] <missmbob> awal1: did you see what you pasted? line 1-2 applies. that's it.
• 3540[22:22:52] <waada> slower*
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• 3542[22:23:14] <dieterd> waada: htop could help you to see what is going on.
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• 3544[22:23:49] <waada> yeah i have htop
• 3545[22:24:08] <waada> it shows that 637mb+ of 1.6gb ram is currently being used
• 3546[22:24:24] <waada> im not sure whats of relevancy to the problem though
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• 3548[22:24:52] <dieterd> waada: look cpu, mem, especially Tasks 95 160 thr 1 running
• 3549[22:26:42] <waada> core 1 seems to flunctuate between 0.5% and 10%, core 2 1.4%, core 3 stays around 2.4% to 5.7% core 4 same as core 3, tasks: 62, 82; thr 1 running, and mem seems to be 622-640mb/1641mb
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• 3551[22:26:53] <dieterd> waada: tasks and thr should not twice than my examples.
• 3552[22:27:01] <awal1> missmbob, got you, you right. long time I havent used testing (only stable and unstable), so a bit less clue about testing repos :P
• 3553[22:27:14] <waada> what do you mean?
• 3554[22:27:59] <waada> 82 sometimes goes up to 100
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• 3556[22:28:04] <dieterd> waada: your data are looking fine.
• 3557[22:28:15] <waada> ah, i dont know whats the problem then
• 3558[22:28:20] <awal1> boz when i used testing in the past, I was using volatiles repos and security ones and I had no troubles
• 3559[22:28:24] <waada> my machine seems very slow though for some reason
• 3560[22:28:40] <waada> not too slow just slow when using somewhat resource hungry programs that worked fine on my x86 installation
• 3561[22:29:23] <dieterd> waada: I had similar signs on an old pc with hard drive.
• 3562[22:30:03] <ilera> awal1 i've updated the sources.list but it's still not able to resolve to the domains
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• 3564[22:30:08] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 3568[22:30:33] <Azrael_-> i'm looking for a network access firewall/gateway/controller for a hotel. i need to be able to block users e.g. by ip/mac, log actions, able to identify p2p and block them for a specific time, optional portal-page for logging in and a user-friendly gui for managing 90% of the daily actions. can you give me some hints what to take? (at best something prebuilt without the need to search+combine
• 3569[22:30:33] <Azrael_-> all components myself)
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• 3571[22:30:51] <dieterd> smartctl showed no trouble, but disk was buggy.
• 3572[22:30:52] <awal1> missmbob, as I know, testing branch gets security support also, even in a different way, compared to stable & unstable, so why not include the previously called volatiles and security repos?
• 3573[22:31:09] <waada> so what can i do about it
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• 3576[22:31:44] <missmbob> Azrael_-: have whoever owns said hotel to hire someone that knows you cant block per mac address outside of your own network
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• 3579[22:32:10] <dieterd> waada: same was caused on netbook with mini-usb-stick. This part got to hot, placed on usb-port near power plug.
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• 3582[22:32:29] <waada> yes i am using a thinkpad
• 3583[22:32:34] <missmbob> awal1: you can. just doesnt do anything.
• 3584[22:32:43] <waada> im not sure if thats a netbook
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• 3586[22:33:02] <Azrael_-> missmbob: ofc there are always restrictions and most often ways to avoid the blocks. but not all people know enough for doing that. that's why i still look out for this option
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• 3588[22:33:28] <Azrael_-> not all requirements are a "must-have" but the more complete the solution is, the better
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• 3590[22:33:54] <missmbob> Azrael_-: "must-have" has nothing to do with it. you cant find mac addresses further out than your switch. your talking out of your ass
• 3591[22:34:05] <awal1> missmbob, now I agree with you. that was what I was going to tell you. volatiles & security repos doesn't do nothing until the release (of testing as stable) ;)
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• 3593[22:35:21] <awal1> so having them there is harmless if the plan is still using stretch as distribution
• 3594[22:35:27] <dieterd> waada: I had an old Lenovo for testing. Battery was not ok. So speed was slow. I found this in an hand book confirmed.
• 3595[22:35:56] <waada> my thinkpad is always plugged in though
• 3596[22:35:58] <Azrael_-> missmbob: i'm mostly talking about the connection of macs+ip in the dhcp-server which are also propagated across switches. so if somebody with the same mac requests a new ip, even if he'd get another ip as the lease was provided to somebody else, he still should be blocked
• 3597[22:36:08] <awal1> when stretch is released as stable ^
• 3598[22:36:24] <missmbob> awal1: spring next year
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• 3601[22:36:39] <missmbob> oh
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• 3603[22:37:03] <dieterd> waada: plugged on power bad battery speed was low because battery was used as buffer too.
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• 3605[22:37:29] <missmbob> Azrael_-: you again described something that's impossible. a dhcp server wont give new ips to a 'clone' mac
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• 3609[22:38:37] <Azrael_-> missmbob: so if i obtained a lease, then drop off dead until the lease expired, the ip was provided to somebody else and then i request a new ip, this is still impossible?
• 3610[22:39:12] <dieterd> waada: that was a result of dc-dc-converter concept.
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• 3612[22:39:20] <missmbob> Azrael_-: if they're still in the lease
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• 3614[22:40:03] <Azrael_-> as long as the lease is valid, then yes, it would be impossible. but i'm talking about if the lease expired, then it would be possible
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• 3618[22:40:27] <missmbob> Azrael_-: of course. what's your point?
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• 3623[22:41:33] <Azrael_-> i'm looking for a firewall/management solution for a hotel which provides me as many blocking/management-options as you can think of. that's all i asked for. you just took out a requirement and stated it was impossible
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• 3628[22:42:14] <missmbob> Azrael_-: not what i said but you're still offtopic. you can try #debian-offtopic or ##linux
• 3629[22:42:52] <Azrael_-> already tried in #
• 3630[22:43:00] <missmbob> damn shame
• 3631[22:43:12] <Azrael_-> already tried in ##linux without luck, i had hoped for more in here, but ok, i'll carry on
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• 3636[22:44:49] <teraflops> Azrael_-: there are many fw solutions, hw based/sw based, commercial, free … tried in #networking?
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• 3639[22:45:18] <teraflops> or whatever the name is
• 3640[22:45:22] <Azrael_-> teraflops: i'll try, thanks
• 3641[22:45:26] <teraflops> np
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• 3645[22:46:51] <JosephineBlack> Hi Azarel
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• 3647[22:47:18] <Azrael_-> hi JosephineBlack
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• 3649[22:47:31] <JosephineBlack> Nice nickname :-)
• 3650[22:47:38] <Azrael_-> thanks
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• 3652[22:47:53] <JosephineBlack> Its a name I know :-)
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• 3655[22:48:17] <Azrael_-> once i've even been harrased because of using this name. they stated it was evil and supported terrorism :)
• 3656[22:48:27] <JosephineBlack> but I think most people would write it a different way
• 3657[22:48:38] <petn-randall> !ot
• 3658[22:48:38] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 3660[22:48:54] <Azrael_-> JosephineBlack: you're free to pm me
• 3661[22:48:58] <Jacob843> Heya. I am working in C++ to change a process's parent, but I am running into some trouble and I think it is because of a Linux limitation. I can't change the process's parent to anything except the program which it spawned from or itself. Is that an accurate statement in Debian?
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• 3665[22:49:33] <petn-randall> JosephineBlack, Azrael_-, feel free to join #debian-offtopic, where the rest of us hang out.
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• 3677[22:51:05] <JosephineBlack> No Azarel
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• 3679[22:51:23] <JosephineBlack> Azarel & Locki
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• 3682[22:51:41] <JosephineBlack> but most cultures write them a dieffernt was and different stories
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• 3685[22:51:49] <JosephineBlack> -e
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• 3687[22:52:18] <JosephineBlack> anyhow
• 3688[22:52:21] <JosephineBlack> Debian
• 3689[22:52:30] <JosephineBlack> founder was Jan Murddock?
• 3690[22:52:38] <missmbob> google it
• 3691[22:52:44] <JosephineBlack> yes
• 3692[22:52:55] <JosephineBlack> I would love to get this original code
• 3693[22:53:03] <JosephineBlack> He is a hero to me :-)
• 3694[22:53:04] <missmbob> my /ignore is filling up so quickly today. fucking annoying
• 3695[22:53:10] <JosephineBlack> O love Debian
• 3696[22:53:14] <JosephineBlack> I
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• 3698[22:53:44] <teraflops> JosephineBlack: #debian-offtopic is fine
• 3699[22:53:48] <JosephineBlack> I think its like reading stuff from Da Vinci - kind of
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• 3714[23:01:48] <JosephineBlack> tham got no humor in debian-offtopic sorry
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• 3718[23:02:55] <petn-randall> JosephineBlack: Because people didn't write back within a minute? That happens on IRC. It has nothing to do with not having humour.
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• 3739[23:12:58] <awal1> ^ he/she just wants to troll; already known here...
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• 3747[23:18:18] <_InsertNameHere_> So I am just trying out fbterm, and all "k"s look like this replaced-url
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• 3749[23:20:12] <McCrow> that's odd... never saw that before
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• 3752[23:21:05] <troffasky> does it affect all fonts?
• 3753[23:22:46] <hexnewbie> _InsertNameHere_: Perhaps: fbterm -n "DejaVu Sans Mono"
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• 3755[23:22:54] <hexnewbie> _InsertNameHere_: Do you have DejaVu Sans Mono installed?
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• 3757[23:24:21] <_InsertNameHere_> troffasky, yes but in different ways. Here is another font: replaced-url
• 3758[23:24:44] <_InsertNameHere_> hexnewbie: ill try it out
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• 3763[23:28:40] <_InsertNameHere_> hexnewbie: looks like this replaced-url
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• 3766[23:29:59] <hexnewbie> _InsertNameHere_: Which version of fbterm is that?
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• 3769[23:30:27] <_InsertNameHere_> 1.7
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• 3771[23:30:39] <awal1> replaced-url
• 3772[23:30:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3773[23:31:27] <_InsertNameHere_> aha, thx
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• 3784[23:37:13] <Orbstheorem> hello, I just chroot'ed into a new debootstrapped system
• 3785[23:37:29] <Orbstheorem> I can ping outside, 12 ms to fsf.org
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• 3790[23:37:54] <Orbstheorem> but when I do apt-get update it takes ages on 0% working message
• 3791[23:38:14] <Orbstheorem> like one minute later it unlocks and continues normally
• 3792[23:38:22] <Orbstheorem> seems like some sort of timeout
• 3793[23:38:25] <Orbstheorem> but, to what?
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• 3797[23:39:37] <PryMar56> echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' >> /etc/resolv.conf
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• 3799[23:40:34] <PryMar56> Orbstheorem, ^^
• 3800[23:40:45] <Orbstheorem> that's the current contents
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• 3819[23:50:03] <PryMar56> Orbstheorem, do you use systemd-nspawn or `LC_ALL=C chroot bash` style?
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• 3823[23:51:53] <Orbstheorem> LC_ALL=C chroot bash
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• 3826[23:52:58] <PryMar56> Orbstheorem, sometimes debootstrap will damage /etc/apt/source.list by leaving its source repo at the top
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• 3828[23:53:25] <Orbstheorem> I just changed httpredir to a near server
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• 3830[23:53:31] <PryMar56> ^^ which could be a stale ISO
• 3831[23:53:47] <Orbstheorem> hmm, I'll check sources.d
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• 3837[23:55:33] <Orbstheorem> my sources.list.d dir is empty
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• 3839[23:55:59] <Orbstheorem> and on sources.list I have
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• 3841[23:56:03] <Orbstheorem> deb replaced-url
• 3842[23:56:03] <Orbstheorem> deb-src replaced-url
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• 3847[23:57:40] <McCrow> so that's the reason. well done judd
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• 3850[23:59:02] <Orbstheorem> McCrow: ??
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