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• 37[00:06:08] <megamanx9> when i type mysql in my bash
• 38[00:06:15] <megamanx9> MariaDB run
• 39[00:06:29] <megamanx9> i want normal sql
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• 41[00:06:48] <megamanx9> how to install it ??
• 42[00:06:52] <somiaj> mariadb is normal sql
• 43[00:07:06] <somiaj> mariadb is a fork of mysql, and is compadable with some additional features
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• 46[00:07:29] <megamanx9> how to use only mysql
• 47[00:07:30] <megamanx9> ?
• 48[00:07:38] <somiaj> debian doesn't provide mysql since orcale now owns it. The open community created a fork, and supports mariadb now.
• 49[00:07:56] <somiaj> I would just use the open fork that has plenty of support. If you want to use mysql form oracle, go download it form them and get them to support it
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• 54[00:09:04] <megamanx9> okey i have proplem Error establishing a database connection with my wordpress
• 55[00:09:18] <hiexpo> okay here is the whole deal when I launch mate-terminal it opens with zsh and I have tried changing it with chsh -s /bin/bash and it does nothing but if I do exec bash it goes back to my default ????@debian
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• 58[00:09:39] <somiaj> megamanx9: so the real issue is configure wordress to use mariadb, not that you care what db server you are using?
• 59[00:09:46] <megamanx9> yes
• 60[00:09:49] <somiaj> megamanx9: did you install wordpress via debian packages or from upstream?
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• 63[00:10:08] <somiaj> hiexpo: have you logged out and back since you changed your shell?
• 64[00:10:12] <megamanx9> no .. i'm unzip it at /var/replaced-url
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• 78[00:11:24] <somiaj> megamanx9: what database did you configure wordpress to connect to after you nnzipped it, I think you need to put the info in some .php file.
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• 82[00:11:59] <hiexpo> somiaj, you mean like log out of the session not just the terminal ?
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• 87[00:12:42] <somiaj> hiexpo: correct, running a terminal just runs a newshell in the current session, you have to fully logout and backin (to a point you enter in your password) to reset the defaults from the login
• 88[00:12:46] <megamanx9> wordpress is promet me to put all login data
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• 91[00:12:53] <somiaj> hiexpo: also do 'grep username /etc/passwd', make sure the shell is now /bin/bash
• 92[00:13:09] <hiexpo> somiaj, okay let me try
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• 94[00:13:45] <somiaj> megamanx9: replaced-url
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• 98[00:14:59] <awal1> How to increase scrollback buffer/savelines, history, or i don't know how to call it, in tty's?
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• 102[00:15:35] <hiexpo> somiaj, yes okay let me logout brb
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• 108[00:17:13] <somiaj> awal1: I found this replaced-url
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• 111[00:17:48] <hiexpo> somiaj, That did it for sure thnks a bunch
• 112[00:17:57] <somiaj> seems if you have a framebuffer (kms drivers should be giving you this) just adding vbconf=scrollback:1024k to your boot options should work
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• 116[00:18:24] <megamanx9> thaNKS it's work ... the problem was i try to login via root
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• 118[00:18:55] <megamanx9> somiaj: thaNKS
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• 122[00:21:56] <awal1> thanks, somiaj
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• 124[00:22:27] <somiaj> megamanx9: next time mention your actual issue first, it helps give you the info you need. (:
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• 131[00:24:32] <megamanx9> somiaj: i used to use ubuntu 14.04 lts and it was working fine with root at mysql so i thought the sql is the proplem :) any way i will thanks dude . ^^
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• 134[00:25:55] <somiaj> megamanx9: no problem, really the only difference between mysql and mariadb is the name (note they are now seperate and mariadb will have new features mysql may have not had, I'm unsure if oracle is doing any development on mysql or not, because they have their own database language.
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• 136[00:27:14] <megamanx9> somiaj: i'm turn to debian to use only free software ,, i think oracle try to kill mysql
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• 138[00:28:31] <somiaj> I don't know what oracle's intention was, the community decided that they didn't want oracle to have mysql and forked as a response.
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• 141[00:29:19] <hiexpo> somiaj, well I have another deal maybe you can help me with hopefully when I create a launcher on my desktop and it is a shell command it always launches using xterm is there a way to change that and have it use a differant terminal
• 142[00:29:22] <somiaj> maria is just the name of another daughter of the original mysql's author, the first daughter was named 'my'
• 143[00:29:46] <somiaj> hiexpo: how did you create this launcher? I don't really work with desktops so unsure on the details.
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• 154[00:30:31] <somiaj> megamanx9: looks like the name change is due to trademark's, replaced-url
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• 158[00:31:11] <somiaj> hiexpo: this might be the cause, 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager (what terminal does that point to?)
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• 163[00:31:29] <somiaj> hiexpo: arg, I mean ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
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• 170[00:32:39] <hiexpo> somiaj, so I right click on my desktop or say in my home folder and select create a new launcher than I select launch in terminal and put the command in and it launches just fine but it uses x-term and I would rather use mate-terminal
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• 178[00:34:12] <somiaj> hiexpo: what terminal is the alternative system point you at?
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• 181[00:34:47] <awal1> somiaj, fbcon=scrollback:<valuehere>k did the job. now my tty scrollback buffer is bigger :P
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• 185[00:35:04] <awal1> but is that really the "official" way?
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• 192[00:36:09] <hiexpo> somiaj, I don't understand what you mean it doesn't give me a choice
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• 198[00:36:40] <somiaj> awal1: I don't know the details, but maybe tty's themselves dont' have such a feature, that is why you have to configure this via the framebuffer, which is laoded at boot, so it is a boot paramter to configure it
• 199[00:36:48] <somiaj> hiexpo: run ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
• 200[00:36:57] <somiaj> hiexpo: what terminal is that link pointing at.
• 201[00:37:08] <awal1> somiaj, ok
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• 204[00:37:55] <hiexpo> somiaj, that gives me roxterm
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• 210[00:38:17] <somiaj> hiexpo: well then it is not using your alternative system to determine what the default terminal is. You said this is mate?
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• 215[00:38:52] <jelly> he: are you a person?
• 216[00:39:00] <hiexpo> somiaj, yes I am running mate but I do have roxterm installed
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• 220[00:39:56] <somiaj> hiexpo: It looks like you might be able to set this via a TERM variable. Do you have a $HOME/.bash_profile or a $HOME/.profile file?
• 221[00:40:12] <hiexpo> somiaj, yes
• 222[00:40:18] <somiaj> which one?
• 223[00:40:19] <somiaj> or both?
• 224[00:40:26] <cluekug> by chance anyone could help me track down this issue? (trying to install docker-ce) replaced-url
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• 233[00:41:02] <hiexpo> somiaj, both
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• 236[00:41:52] <somiaj> hiexpo: since using bash, add 'export TERM=mate-terminal' to your .bash_profile, then completely logout and back in again so this is read for the shell running mate
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• 239[00:42:16] <somiaj> hiexpo: from what I read, mate will honor that enviorment variable. If that doesn't work, you can force the terminal by modifing the .desktop file that was creatd for the launcher.
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• 243[00:42:35] <lucas-arg> how in the world can two desktops in the same distro with the same hardware be soooooo much different??? I couldnt even use Libreoffice with Gnome and with KDE is fast as hell, even scrolling in firefox is so much fasterrrr
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• 246[00:42:58] <hiexpo> somiaj, okay thank you and i will give it a try
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• 248[00:43:13] <n4dir> at the end of this thread they say different things, though at the top they say it would relate to the TERM variable: replaced-url
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• 258[00:44:05] <somiaj> n4dir: you found the same thread I did.
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• 261[00:44:50] <n4dir> pretty confusing to me, but then: i neither use mate nor do i use desktop-launchers.
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• 268[00:45:38] <somiaj> n4dir: it would seem very starnge to me that /usr/bin/mate-terminal is a link. Mate should at least have the option of using the alternatives system by default. But I"m with you, I don't use any DE, so I can only share info I find.
• 269[00:45:46] * cluekug needs to be pointed in the right direction
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• 272[00:46:39] <somiaj> lucas-arg: could be some extensions or user customization using gnome. I personally find no desktop the fastest on debian (I use a wm). But if you think you found a bug with gnome, you should report it.
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• 278[00:47:53] <somiaj> cluekug: what makes you think there is a package called docker-ce in buster? Also you should be asking buster question in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 287[00:48:56] <lucas-arg> somiaj, i dont even want to know whats wrong with gnome in debian, ill just stay with KDE
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• 292[00:49:36] <cluekug> somiaj: according to the docker docs there should be one (after adding download.docker.com as a source) - which somewhat leaves me clueless since there is no error message i'm nut sure how/where to debug it
• 293[00:49:51] <somiaj> lucas-arg: many seem to like cinnamon, mate for the gnome2 feel, there is also xfce and lxde -- so plenty of choices. But i'm unsure what could be the problem with gnome.
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• 303[00:50:30] <n4dir> but i don't recall having read that people complain about gnome in debian being slow.
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• 306[00:50:31] <somiaj> cluekug: we don't really support third party repos here. debian is unsure what this download.docker.com source is, but did you run apt update after adding it. Also make sure this source is made for the debian version your are running and not ubuntu or some other debian based distro.
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• 309[00:51:02] <lucas-arg> i dont know either, moved from ubuntu, and unity was working ok.... so i dont know... unity uses gnome libraries...
• 310[00:51:07] <somiaj> n4dir: I've seen multiple people complain that firefox-esr seems slower, I guess I oversteped and thought this was related.
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• 314[00:51:16] <lucas-arg> is there any way of installing firefox 57 in stretch?
• 315[00:51:36] <n4dir> ah, sure.
• 316[00:51:37] <somiaj> lucas-arg: at this time just download the static linked binary from mozilla.org and run it from $HOME
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• 318[00:52:18] <somiaj> note it will update your .mozilla dir, disable most yoru extensions and make it inpossible to go back to yoru firefox-esr configuration -- hint backup .mozilla first
• 319[00:52:25] <cluekug> somiaj: alright, thanks. apt-update's output is included in the paste. going by the name the source should be fine, how would i make sure about htat?
• 320[00:52:25] <n4dir> once we are at it: does anyone know of a cookie-manager for firefox 57 which is comparable to cookie-monster?
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• 324[00:52:41] <n4dir> I want to disallow cookies in general, but allow them where i need them
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• 328[00:53:44] <somiaj> cluekug: you will have to check that for yourself. I don't know what the suggested way to get docker.io in debian is. The sources might be fine, but they also might break things in your debian install, which is why I said make sure they are made for stretch (usually the makers of such repo will tell you what distro they made them for)
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• 333[00:54:55] <lucas-arg> somiaj, that worked....
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• 356[00:59:55] <somiaj> n4dir: firefox might offer this easeir in the new version, seems when you are a site you can click something and a whole menu of what you allow/disallow drops down. Thoughs icne I don't use firefox, unsure on details?
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• 407[01:05:55] <n4dir> will have a closer look, thanks somiaj
• 408[01:06:07] <RJo0> I would like to get Debian 9 and Xen running with wireless only. I have found that bridging doesn't seem to work with wireless. So I am wondering what method others are using to get Xen up with wireless only.
• 409[01:06:07] <RJo0> I have tried etables via replaced-url
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• 765[02:09:17] <kale> how do i make debian stop booting until eth0 has got its ipaddress from dhcp?
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• 793[02:11:38] <somiaj> kale: sounds like an xy problem. What are you needing to wait until the network is up to run?
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• 796[02:12:28] <kale> somiaj: found out "allow-hotplug eth0" should be replaced with "auto eth0"
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• 801[02:12:42] <kale> somiaj: its gluster-client mounting /home
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• 806[02:13:13] <somiaj> kale: yea auto means bring up at boot, allow-hotplug means it will trigger when an 'plugin or unplug' event happens with the cord
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• 809[02:13:53] <somiaj> but if it is a service issue, you can tell system to explicity wait until the network is up and functional before running a service.
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• 823[02:15:58] <kale> somiaj: glusterfs mounts should do that by default
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• 826[02:16:25] <somiaj> correct, by default this should be setup, but if wiriting your own unit files, anyways seems you figured it out
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• 829[02:17:19] <kale> somiaj: yes, but it is strange though that when i have _netdev as a mount option, then it tries to mount it although the network is not up
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• 832[02:18:40] <somiaj> there are some subtilies in this with 'wants' and 'require' and I think two slightly different network targets that could cause this.
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• 835[02:19:02] <somiaj> but I don't know the details well enough, only the basics.
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• 845[02:20:30] <kale> hmm... reading about it, this has been an issue in earlier debian and ubuntu versions too, and it seems many bug-reports were made too. Question is also if this is related to mounting or related to glusterfs-client
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• 848[02:21:03] <somiaj> kale: I think it is mostly related to boot dependencies if things are trying to happen before the network is ready.
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• 859[02:23:30] <debiannoobie> !sudoers
• 860[02:23:31] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
• 861[02:23:37] <r3m> hi
• 862[02:23:59] <debiannoobie> hi why sudo is not installed in debian
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• 867[02:24:20] <themill> debiannoobie: you are welcome to install it
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• 875[02:26:03] <debiannoobie> themill: but why is it not installed on default whats wrong wth it
• 876[02:26:06] <debiannoobie> themill: ^^
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• 878[02:26:24] <themill> there are over 40000 packages that not installed by default
• 879[02:26:27] <debiannoobie> and I forgot the location where I can edit my mirriors
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• 881[02:26:38] <somiaj> debiannoobie: it depends on how you install debian. If you chooose a root password, it won't install sudo. If you leave the root password blank (disabling root login), it will install sudo and give the first user full sudo privlages.
• 882[02:27:00] <debiannoobie> somiaj: I dont know this
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• 884[02:27:44] <somiaj> debiannoobie: this is just a choice by the debian-installer team, but just apt install sudo, then to give your user full sudo privlages, 'adduser username sudo' and relogin as that user.
• 885[02:27:46] <debiannoobie> shall I install sudo with apt install sudo but my apt is notworking as mirroes are locating to my dvd
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• 887[02:28:02] <somiaj> the package should be on the dvd, so that is jsut fine
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• 890[02:28:25] <debiannoobie> somiaj: but I remember I can edit that is some cource file
• 891[02:28:30] <debiannoobie> I forgot the location
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• 894[02:28:41] <somiaj> don't edit the file directly, run 'visudo' to do it
• 895[02:29:04] <debiannoobie> noo
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• 897[02:29:18] <debiannoobie> I am taking about "ftp mirrors"
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• 899[02:29:27] <somiaj> the file is /etc/apt/sources.list
• 900[02:29:30] <somiaj> !stretch sources.list
• 901[02:29:30] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 902[02:29:31] <debiannoobie> !config
• 903[02:29:38] <debiannoobie> Yes somiaj thanks
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• 913[02:30:27] <debiannoobie> and polaris best IRC client and loved by debinas its default there
• 914[02:30:31] <debiannoobie> ??
• 915[02:30:39] <somiaj> !best
• 916[02:30:40] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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• 919[02:30:52] <somiaj> debiannoobie: people use clients that suit their needs, I like irssi myself.
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• 922[02:31:40] <debiannoobie> somiaj: but I am asking because debian not providing many thing on default but it provided polaris irc client so I am just curious
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• 925[02:31:51] <debiannoobie> I neverused it I mostly use web or irssi
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• 932[02:33:08] <somiaj> debiannoobie: debian provides choice, which means there are usually multiple apps that do similar things, but this also means you need to choose and isntall the ones you like.
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• 939[02:34:03] <debiannoobie> Okay Thank you somiaj
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• 1062[02:59:12] <ix> from this channel, 20171217:
• 1063[02:59:25] <ix> 1042[09:29:53] <nou> Hello, after last upgrade on my Debian 8 to kernel 3.16.51-3 it my network doesn't work anymore.
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• 1073[03:00:31] <ix> i saw this but in a bhyve guest running jessie
• 1074[03:00:31] <somiaj> !doesn't work
• 1075[03:00:31] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 1076[03:00:43] <dvs> ix, ip link
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• 1082[03:01:05] <somiaj> anways, does the inteface load, 'ip a', any firmware issues, 'dmesg | grep firmware', and so on, try to figure out what part doesn't work
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• 1085[03:01:48] <ix> i observe that i can ping small-ish packet sizes but ping -s 203 and bigger doesn't work
• 1086[03:02:04] <ix> so i can ping, e.g., my cable provider's DNS servers but can't actually run a 'dig' against them
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• 1098[03:02:54] <somiaj> ix: if you downgrade your kernel does it work like expected?
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• 1105[03:03:24] <mnuhmnuh> last i heard, dig was considered too intrusive and considered rude.
• 1106[03:03:28] <ix> somiaj: i don't have an easy way to do so ATM, however:
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• 1108[03:03:40] <somiaj> ix: you might have the old .deb sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives?
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• 1111[03:03:55] <ix> i can trivially reproduce the issue by using the 8.whatever and installing a new VM (netinst)
• 1112[03:03:58] <somiaj> ix: also can you do local tests to see if this is an issue with the debian box and not your network.
• 1113[03:03:58] <mnuhmnuh> netcat maybe?
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• 1121[03:04:24] <ix> once the VM reboots after install (on the new kernel) network doesn't work
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• 1127[03:04:40] <somiaj> ix: you can also get old .debs from snapshot.debian.org. If this is something that worked on one kernel, but not on an upgrade, this is a regression bug and you should file one (or see if one has been filed already)
• 1128[03:04:49] <ix> somiaj: the behavior is the same, e.g., to another host on my network or even on the tap/bridge to the physical host
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• 1130[03:05:12] <somiaj> ix: well I would try to verify it is a regression bug then file it.
• 1131[03:05:43] <ix> i'm happy to do so, thanks for the .deb cache suggestion
• 1132[03:05:51] <ix> i'd kinda like to get that VM back on the network soon-ish ;)
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• 1136[03:06:11] <somiaj> ix: if you don't have the old kernel in your local cache, snapshot.debian.org will have a copy of it
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• 1140[03:07:10] <ix> somiaj: i do have one
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• 1142[03:07:50] <ix> stroke of luck that i found that reference to #debian/freenode on a google search
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• 1160[03:10:01] <ix> wooooow sure enough it works with 3.16.43-2+deb8u5
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• 1168[03:10:38] <somiaj> be weary of the vulns you now have and use reportbug to file a regression bug, look for one that might be simlar
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• 1187[03:14:29] <extor> Is there any way to get a distro as lean and mean as raspbian to work on my old dell, possibly an x86 port of raspbian?
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• 1192[03:14:56] <bazhang> #raspbian would know extor
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• 1195[03:15:01] <bazhang> why not ask there
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• 1203[03:15:54] <extor> well the mother distro is debian
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• 1206[03:16:28] <dvs> !raspbian
• 1207[03:16:28] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 1208[03:16:52] <annadane> !based on debian
• 1209[03:16:52] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 1213[03:17:22] <themill> extor: maybe you should just try debian.
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• 1216[03:18:37] <infinity__> Hello my debian terminal colour and theme sucks, from your experience how do you maintain your terminal friends ?
• 1217[03:18:40] <extor> can debian be made super lean and mean
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• 1219[03:19:04] <extor> I was about to install openBSD then someone suggested netBSD for some strange reason. Now I am confused.
• 1220[03:19:05] <themill> extor: try just installing the packages you want
• 1221[03:19:12] <annadane> in general terms? sure, for example you can choose to use a window manager and not a full featured desktop environment
• 1222[03:19:23] <annadane> and yeah, start with a minimal install
• 1223[03:19:23] <extor> hard disk space is not the issue, the issue is 512MB of RAM
• 1224[03:19:24] <ix> extor: install with the -netinst and don't select extra packages
• 1225[03:19:47] <annadane> though you probably do want "standard system utilities"
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• 1230[03:20:31] <extor> I used to run debian years ago but then it changed desktops to some strange format where I was completely lost
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• 1232[03:20:48] <extor> mate I think? I can't even remember for sure. Or perhaps it was muse.
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• 1236[03:21:11] <themill> Given you install the desktop you want ...
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• 1238[03:21:18] <kale> extor: xfce has looked the same for many years, it does not require much memory
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• 1243[03:21:33] <infinity__> terminal sucking :(
• 1244[03:21:41] <extor> how does debian on xfce compare with netBSD/openBSD?
• 1245[03:22:24] <extor> ram consumption wise
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• 1247[03:22:30] <extor> I meant to add
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• 1252[03:22:59] <kale> extor: i do not know, but i would expect the performance to be similar, if you want to save memory take a look at blackbox or fluxbox
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• 1255[03:23:31] <annadane> (or openbox.)
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• 1257[03:23:35] <annadane> or bspwm
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• 1269[03:26:50] <export> dwm is cool too!
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• 1272[03:27:04] <export> plus debian's wiki is good for that as well i think
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• 1274[03:27:29] <extor> kale, not to stray off topic but replaced-url
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• 1277[03:27:52] <extor> yeah debian has a good wiki. gentoo has an amazingly well kept wiki as well.
• 1278[03:27:54] <annadane> we were discussing minimal window managers sometime and someone listed "the most minimal window manager possible", i just forget what it was
• 1279[03:28:00] <annadane> may have been dwm, i thought it might have been bspwm
• 1280[03:28:05] <annadane> i get my wm's confused
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• 1282[03:28:24] <export> i'm pretty sure it's dwm, it's fairly minimal, no configs except for config.h at compile time.
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• 1284[03:28:34] <kale> annadane: evilwm or twm i guess
• 1285[03:28:40] <annadane> point being, window managers are a lovely way to save space
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• 1295[03:30:18] <sulit> icewm
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• 1297[03:30:52] <kale> extor: i do not bother with the bsd's, those guys are real nerds :-)
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• 1317[03:33:47] <ix> but zfs
• 1318[03:33:50] <temy> Hi, is this Stack Exchange question still relevant as of Stretch? replaced-url
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• 1321[03:34:29] <annadane> temy, i know there's an option for that in the installer itself
• 1322[03:34:40] <annadane> as for what to do when you have an already setup system, not sure...
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• 1328[03:35:06] <kale> temy: are you running out of space on your / partition?
• 1329[03:35:12] <temy> kale: No
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• 1334[03:35:23] <extor> zfs is overkill for a home desktop is it not
• 1335[03:35:33] <temy> kale: I just want to follow this: replaced-url
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• 1337[03:35:44] <temy> Although it seems outdated
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• 1340[03:35:54] <extor> one of the features of BSDs that impress me are the low ram requirements. Allegedly that is.
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• 1347[03:37:36] <kale> temy: good luck on the "removing perl" chapter :-)
• 1348[03:37:37] <annadane> RAMbsd
• 1349[03:37:50] <temy> kale: Of course except that :)
• 1350[03:37:54] <extor> temy, you have some reading up to do then: replaced-url
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• 1356[03:40:02] <ix> extor: maybe. i'm using it for a DIY NAS, though
• 1357[03:40:09] <kale> temy: is this adesktop?
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• 1360[03:40:39] <extor> ZFS stands out why exactly, for it's undelete layers?
• 1361[03:40:54] <extor> I suppose that's nice to have. Although novell had that 20 years ago heheh
• 1362[03:40:55] <temy> kale: Yes if you're asking "is it not a server?".
• 1363[03:41:54] <temy> Do I have to separate partitions for security if I already have the grsecurity patch, denied SSH connections, and use firejail?
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• 1365[03:42:48] <temy> *separate /var, /tmp, /home for to partitions for security
• 1366[03:42:50] <kale> temy: you should only seperate the partitions if you think you could run out of space on your / partition, because of some user or service
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• 1371[03:43:42] <Anvesh> can you please anyone guide me,
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• 1373[03:43:56] <temy> kale: My / partition has 105.2 GB of total space, and currently has 77.6 free space
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• 1375[03:44:17] <temy> I have a separate parition for data, and is encrypted, and is not mounted as /home
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• 1378[03:44:42] <temy> The partition has 733 GB of total space
• 1379[03:44:43] <kale> temy: if you do not feel like something fills up your / partition then i think you are ok
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• 1383[03:46:01] <temy> kale: Ok, so I will not separate those partitions (again, again because I screwed up my Debian by not following the instructions in the Stack Exchange entirely) then :)
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• 1415[03:52:04] <xochilpili> hi all
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• 1418[03:53:04] <xochilpili> im not able to install a xcfe theme i have downloaded the theme i like, and uncompress under ~/.local/share/themes/ then i go to themes or window manager settings and there's no new theme
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• 1428[03:55:35] <temy> kale: Here's my netstat -lt: replaced-url
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• 1437[03:58:24] <kale> temy: it looks fine. you could set up some iptable rules to disallow incoming connections
• 1438[03:58:26] <donofrio> anyone know a way to get my soundcard working in sid - replaced-url
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• 1442[03:59:54] <temy> kale: Yay :) Thanks :)
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• 1456[04:00:52] <dpkg> "Users and Groups in the Debian System": /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz
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• 1500[04:05:01] <xochilpili> anyone?
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• 1508[04:06:13] <xalen> Yes. What support question have you got?
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• 1511[04:07:19] <dvs> xalen, how to change a xfce theme
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• 1516[04:08:48] <xalen> dvs: have you installed it and need to set it as default or you need to install it?
• 1517[04:09:20] <dvs> xalen, that's what xochilpili is asking about
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• 1520[04:10:36] <Lance_> hi, I have a docker container on a PC. and a server. Is there any way to be able to ssh into that docker container using the IP of that server?
• 1521[04:11:03] <Lance_> Or maybe there's a more suitable channel to ask?
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• 1548[04:14:26] <xalen> xochilpili: so you have already download it (in tar.gz presumably) and extracted it to a directory ~/.local/share/themes, correct?
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• 1550[04:14:42] <xochilpili> xalen, yes, i have done that
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• 1555[04:15:19] <xalen> xochilpili: what are the permissions of the theme directory?
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• 1559[04:16:28] <xochilpili> xalen, drwxr-xr-x
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• 1568[04:18:45] <xochilpili> Gtk-2 themes where to put ? same directory ?
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• 1584[04:21:50] <xalen> xochilpili: According to xfce documentation, the theme must contain the file ~/.local/share/themes/<theme_name>/gtk-2.0/gtkrc. Could you check that it's there?
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• 1588[04:22:36] <xalen> xochilpili: (Assuming it's a GTK+ theme)
• 1589[04:22:59] <xochilpili> xalen, i have downloaded, and put it in ~/.local/share/themes/<theme_name>
• 1590[04:23:22] <xochilpili> but every theme i have downloaded, just seen white, not as the template in xcfe-look
• 1591[04:23:44] <xochilpili> replaced-url
• 1592[04:24:14] <xochilpili> i have downloaded, any theme red, yellow, black, and all of them looks white
• 1593[04:24:40] <uyg7t8t8rfjhg> hey all, anyone know any good resources for getting started with databses? I am a total noob to dbs
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• 1596[04:26:10] <xochilpili> using dpkg-query -l 'gtk*' > gtk2-engines-xfce and i have donwloaded gtk-2 theme and seems that is not working, am i doing something wrong?
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• 1598[04:26:26] <xalen> xochilpili: Oh, so you can see it to select but it doesn't have the expected look?
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• 1602[04:27:18] <xochilpili> xalen, yes, before (i was unable to see the theme in editor) now i can see it, but does not have expected look
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• 1606[04:28:49] <xalen> xochilpili: Did you chek that ~/.local/share/themes/<theme_name>/gtk-2.0/gtkrc it there? If it isn't create it and add: gtk-theme-name="<theme_name>"
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• 1621[04:30:52] <xochilpili> xalen, let me try
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• 1626[04:31:27] <xochilpili> xalen, yes, gtkrc is in there
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• 1630[04:31:34] <whatsupboy> Hello ny one uses eveluionmain client is it safe to use ?
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• 1648[04:32:43] <temy> Hello, is there a package which offers support for ufs and ffs?
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• 1659[04:34:23] <xalen> xochilpili: and what's the content of the file? (use paste.debian.net if the content is over 3 lines)
• 1660[04:34:35] <temy> Ah nvm, I found the package for that
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• 1675[04:36:10] <temy> Oops, the package is only for sid and Wheezy. Looks like I need to backport it
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• 1678[04:37:00] <xochilpili> xalen, too big file: replaced-url
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• 1696[04:39:28] <xalen> xochilpili: I'm taking a look right now. Btw what's the name of the theme you're trying to install?
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• 1699[04:40:23] <xochilpili> xalen, DarkMilú this is the url: replaced-url
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• 1701[04:40:51] <xochilpili> xalen, i just need a black theme, whites and clear colors hurt my eyes
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• 1703[04:41:42] <xochilpili> xalen, also, i have text controls too big, right now the theme is "Adawita-dark"
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• 1719[04:44:23] <xalen> xochilpili: if that's the case you can use "apt-cache search theme" and pick on of the themes available in the debian repositories. Take a look at them on duckduckgo.com images section before installing them. Right now I'm installing the them DarkMilú on a VM with XFCE to see if I can help you better
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• 1724[04:45:14] <xalen> xochilpili: "apt-cache search theme | grep dark" might narrow the search a bit more
• 1725[04:45:28] <xochilpili> xalen, testing
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• 1732[04:46:50] <whatsupboy> Hi I can see .bogoffileter on my home directory what can be it is ?
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• 1735[04:47:14] <whatsupboy> inside it there is some db file
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• 1738[04:47:44] <xochilpili> xalen, all right!
• 1739[04:48:02] <xochilpili> xalen, perfect now, there's no need for u to test that theme
• 1740[04:48:08] <xochilpili> xalen, many many thanks
• 1741[04:48:09] <xalen> xochilpili: did you find a theme that suits your needs?
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• 1744[04:48:37] <xochilpili> xalen, yes, just blackbird makes black and textboxes are small enough
• 1745[04:48:44] <xalen> xochilpili: no problem. Glad I could help. Enjoy!
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• 1768[04:54:31] <xochilpili> xalen, i have another doubt, since i have using linux, im able to copy a text (terminal) and then paste with the mouse's wheel, now i cant
• 1769[04:54:34] <xochilpili> using vim
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• 1779[04:56:36] <xochilpili> xalen, done!
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• 1790[04:57:49] <xalen> xochilpili: you can use the shortcut Ctrl+Shift+v to paste in terminal, even in vim
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• 1800[04:59:34] <donofrio> anyone know a way to get my soundcard working in sid - replaced-url
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• 1810[05:00:22] <xochilpili> xalen, and how can i change terminal's shortcut for open a new tab and close it ?
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• 1831[05:04:48] <xalen> xochilpili: the configuration file for the terminal shortcuts is in ~/.config/xfce4/terminal/accels.scm Take a look at how they're written, make a backup just in case and then edit it to your preference
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• 1837[05:05:49] <xalen> xochilpili: after editing, you have to restart xfce4-terminal (just close and reopen) for changes to take effect
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• 1840[05:06:03] <xochilpili> xalen, thanks a lot!
• 1841[05:06:25] <xalen> xochilpili: happy to help
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• 1843[05:07:05] <xochilpili> xalen, reboot to test :D
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• 1879[05:12:31] <whatsupboy> I see .bogoffileter directory inside my home directory can some one help me understand what is that for?
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• 1885[05:13:12] <xochilpili> xalen, perfect!
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• 1888[05:13:49] <xochilpili> but i have this issue with vim, every time i edit a file i need to :set mouse=r
• 1889[05:14:27] <somiaj> whatsupboy: most likely a config file of some sorts, did you look at its contents? maybe run file on it? you could also ask google, maybe it can spot which program uses that config file.
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• 1893[05:14:52] <whatsupboy> I deleted them and in google I cant find
• 1894[05:14:54] <somiaj> xochilpili: you mean you want the option :set mouse=r enabled by default.
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• 1896[05:14:56] <whatsupboy> anything with that
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• 1898[05:15:13] <xalen> xochilpili: you can make any change to the behavior or appearance of vim by adding it to ~/.vimrc. You would add "set mour=r enabled"
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• 1901[05:15:14] <somiaj> whatsupboy: deleting a config file is fine, it should be recreated if every you urn the app that created it.
• 1902[05:15:16] <whatsupboy> I just installed debian few hours back and removed all crapp like polris,games etc
• 1903[05:15:30] <whatsupboy> its not created again
• 1904[05:15:40] <xochilpili> xalen, all right!
• 1905[05:15:43] <xalen> xochilpili: Sorry, you would add "set mour=r" to .vimrc
• 1906[05:15:53] <xalen> *mouse
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• 1908[05:16:11] <xochilpili> xalen, yes got that :D
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• 1910[05:16:22] <somiaj> whatsupboy: well it seems bogofilter is a spam filter of some sorts
• 1911[05:16:37] <whatsupboy> I am using evolution and suspectingthat
• 1912[05:16:48] <xochilpili> xalen, then, when i reboot, at boot font size is too big, is there a way to reduce it?
• 1913[05:16:57] <whatsupboy> but I run eveolutiona and same directory not craeted again
• 1914[05:17:36] <xalen> xochilpili: yes, on appearance settings, you can edit size on the "Fonts" tab
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• 1916[05:17:56] <xochilpili> xalen, no, i meant boot at grub
• 1917[05:18:11] <somiaj> whatsupboy: I did some hits say that evolution might use that filter. You may have set some filter rules for evolution and they were stored int hat file.
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• 1919[05:18:31] <somiaj> whatsupboy: but it might not be created unless you specificy more filter rules -- unsure on the details, but that is what it looks like it was for.
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• 1921[05:18:49] <whatsupboy> ok thanks somiaj my doubt cleared now
• 1922[05:18:57] <somiaj> so just running evolution may not create it, but maybe creating a filter for evolution will
• 1923[05:19:09] <whatsupboy> I want to install some monero/btc wallet so making sure its safe
• 1924[05:19:28] <xalen> xochilpili: Oh, I see. That could be because of the graphics card. Are you using NVIDIA proprietary drivers by any chance?
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• 1931[05:20:30] <somiaj> what fonts are to big? the consle tty fonts, or xorg fonts?
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• 1935[05:20:56] <xochilpili> xalen, no, im using_ VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
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• 1953[05:23:22] <xalen> xochilpili, you can either resize the fonts or change the default GRUB resolution. You can do this by editing /etc/default/grub and editing GRUB_GFXMODE to suit your desired resolution. After changing it, use "sudo grub-update" to make the changes effective
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• 1958[05:24:03] <xalen> xochilpili, of course always make a backup of the original config file before editing it just in case you wan to revert it to the original form
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• 1965[05:27:29] <xochilpili> xalen, understood
• 1966[05:27:31] <somiaj> xalen: that is mostly outdated, most drivers are kms and use th edid of th monintor to pick a good resolution. from a tty running dpkg-reconfigure console-setup will allow you to pick different size fonts, but keep the same native resolution given by the edid
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• 1968[05:27:41] <somiaj> xochilpili: ^^
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• 1971[05:28:03] <somiaj> so provided you are using the intel driver i915 or something liek that, it is kms, but if the fonts are small you can change the console font size
• 1972[05:28:12] <pi`> hi everyone
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• 1977[05:29:07] <benediktorian> Good morning / day / afternoon and merry x-mas all around. 🎁⛴
• 1978[05:29:13] <Guest42101> I pasted some greek text onto *scratch* and the text look like this: \250\325\251\304, etc. I tried changing it to utf-8 and changing fonts, same problem
• 1979[05:29:16] <xochilpili> somiaj, i did not understand, using dpkg-reconfigure am i be able to change grub's resolution ?
• 1980[05:29:20] <xalen> somiaj, thanks for the info. I didn't know that. xochilpili this might be better
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• 1990[05:30:21] <somiaj> xochilpili: I was explaing how to change the fontsize your your tty consoles, I missed you explicity just wanted to affect grub.
• 1991[05:30:21] <xalen> somiaj, is it also outdated to use the "GRUB_FONT=" option?
• 1992[05:30:46] <somiaj> xalen: no I just missunderstood, what you said for grub probably works just fine
• 1993[05:31:01] <somiaj> this is for after you boot.
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• 1997[05:31:13] <xalen> somiaj, ok, no problem then
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• 2010[05:32:11] <xochilpili> somiaj, xalen then?
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• 2029[05:34:31] <xochilpili> xalen, seems that grub option doesnt work
• 2030[05:34:32] <xochilpili> :d
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• 2032[05:35:05] <somiaj> are you wanting to just change grub or the tty console you boot into?
• 2033[05:35:12] <xalen> xochilpili, the first one I told you. edit "GRUB_GFXMODE=<desired_resolution>" in /etc/default/grub
• 2034[05:36:15] <xochilpili> xalen, yes, i have change that to GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x800 and grub-update
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• 2041[05:38:12] <somiaj> xochilpili: it's update-grub
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• 2054[05:41:12] <xalen> somiaj, thanks for pointing that out. I always mix the order thinking about grub-install
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• 2062[05:43:58] <xochilpili> xalen, somiaj i ran update-grub and i have changed this: GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x800 , then i reboot and not changed resolution, i have encrypted hd, so when ask for my secret, font is very huge
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• 2064[05:44:15] <xochilpili> ^ first changed the option and then update-grub
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• 2069[05:47:17] <somiaj> xochilpili: when booting grub, put 'vbeinfo' into the Grub 2 command terminal (hit c when booting) and it should list what resolutions grub supports
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• 2074[05:50:20] <somiaj> I found something that suggests that grub should be trying to use the highest resolution possible, and I'm unusre on what grub uses to set larger resolutions
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• 2079[05:52:02] <xochilpili> somiaj, all right
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• 2097[05:58:48] <jhns> what's the idiomatic way of adding a new user in debian, like the user which got created during installation?
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• 2111[06:01:08] <jhns> the users created with adduser don't have the same groups for example
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• 2119[06:03:03] <jhns> also, (xfce, debian stretch, fresh install), when connecting to a wifi on a newly created user, I get asked for an initial password for a keyring
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• 2147[06:08:32] <somiaj> jhns: adduser works, then add the user to the groups you want, adduser username group
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• 2150[06:08:57] <somiaj> jhns: most wifi cards require non-free firmware, which is not part of debian main (since it breaks the DFSG). You can install the non-free firmware from the non-free repos
• 2151[06:09:00] <somiaj> !non-free
• 2152[06:09:00] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
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• 2156[06:10:18] <somiaj> oh wait, sorry missunderstood. It might be that the passwords are stored in $HOME for the user and not on the system, but I'm unsure on the details here. It also might depend how you manage your network
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• 2158[06:10:58] <samuel> hello guys
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• 2160[06:11:41] <samuel> I renamed the volume group on my hd, changed fstab and grub config accordingly and rebooted
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• 2165[06:12:51] <samuel> it boots but with a message stating that the device mapper could not be found failed to connect to lvmetad
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• 2167[06:12:58] <samuel> what am I missing?
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• 2169[06:13:31] <samuel> boots normally except for this message for about 30 seconds before boot
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• 2180[06:18:30] <jhns> somiaj: I didn't mention yet, that with the user created upon installation, there is no prompt for a keyring password
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• 2183[06:19:26] <somiaj> unsure here as I don't use the de's or network-manager. Again it might be related to how your network is configured
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• 2209[06:26:18] <jhns> somiaj: okay, have to look further. thanks for your help!
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• 2212[06:26:57] <jhns> might check for differences between the files in the $HOMEs of the two users
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• 2779[08:09:16] <user_____> anyone here using "raspberry pi 3" with debian buster?
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• 2787[08:11:03] <SirLagz> user_____: what's the issue you're having?
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• 2789[08:11:45] <user_____> do i hav to use image shown by "replaced-url
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• 2796[08:13:49] <user_____> i mean arm64 of Buster Alpha 2
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• 2801[08:14:41] <SirLagz> user_____: eh? arm64 is a platform, Buster Alpha 2 is a release...not sure what you're asking.
• 2802[08:14:49] <themill> I doubt the debian installer image would even boot on the rpi3
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• 2805[08:15:34] <user_____> debian-buster-DI-alpha2-arm64-netinst.iso
• 2806[08:15:39] <user_____> dats wat i mean
• 2807[08:15:59] <SirLagz> user_____: oh right. yeah what themill said. I doubt that would boot on the Pi
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• 2813[08:17:14] <user_____> ok i wud go with 2017-10-08-raspberry-pi-3-buster-PREVIEW.img
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• 2815[08:17:33] <SirLagz> yes
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• 2829[08:19:33] <user_____> if i "dd" 2017-10-08-raspberry-pi-3-buster-PREVIEW.img on sdcard, wud i b able to use full space of sdcard during installtion?
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• 2940[08:35:38] <capin> good evening, I'm trying to enable motd using systemctl on jessie, however it still remains in a masked mode ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 2954[08:39:15] <jordanm> capin: you need to use `systemctl unmask`
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• 2972[08:42:33] <capin> jordanm: replaced-url
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• 3032[08:44:05] <inierw> EL IS GIVING TIPS ON ANAL SEX IN #FREENODE GO CHECK IT OUT:
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• 3119[08:44:17] <mulana_fa> EL IS GIVING TIPS ON ANAL SEX IN #FREENODE GO CHECK IT OUT:
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• 3125[08:44:18] <mulana_fa> EL IS GIVING TIPS ON ANAL SEX IN #FREENODE GO CHECK IT OUT:
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• 3177[08:47:31] <m712> the persistence of this guy holy shit
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• 3183[08:48:28] <BWMerlin> Is it just the tip that they are giving?
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• 3199[08:51:19] <rant> spam is like fightclub and /b. you're not suppose to talk about it
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• 3267[09:06:28] <awal1> trying to call framebuffer console manual but i don't find it
• 3268[09:06:56] <awal1> I mean this replaced-url
• 3269[09:07:20] <rant> install the kernel docs package?
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• 3272[09:08:02] <awal1> linux-doc you mean?
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• 3274[09:08:43] <jmd> How can I see what tun/tap interfaces are set up?
• 3275[09:08:51] <rant> idk.. that may be a metapackage for it
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• 3277[09:09:16] <rant> its usually specific to your kernel version
• 3278[09:09:24] <awal1> metapkg yeah (53.6 mb)
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• 3281[09:09:51] <awal1> I'll check it in a vm, first
• 3282[09:09:53] <rant> jmd: ifconfig -a should show them
• 3283[09:10:24] <jmd> $ ifconfig -a
• 3284[09:10:24] <jmd> bash: ifconfig: command not found
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• 3286[09:10:41] <rant> its a sbin, you have to be root
• 3287[09:10:49] <jmd> I thought ifconfig was deprecated some years ago
• 3288[09:11:05] <jmd> $ /sbin/ifconfig -a
• 3289[09:11:05] <jmd> bash: /sbin/ifconfig: No such file or directory
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• 3291[09:11:18] <rant> it was but I'm drunk and dont recall how to use anything else for this purpose
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• 3296[09:12:36] <nepomuk> "/msgdpkg guidelines
• 3297[09:12:46] <liuxin_> ?
• 3298[09:12:49] <liuxin_> hi
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• 3300[09:13:37] <rant> liuxin_: if you have a question, try put it before the question mark.. usually works best.
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• 3306[09:14:01] <jmd> rant: In some languages the opposite is true.
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• 3308[09:14:14] <gpunk> no you put two of them
• 3309[09:14:17] <gpunk> in spanish
• 3310[09:14:19] <rant> yeah, well this is an english channel not a spanish one
• 3311[09:14:25] <gpunk> begining and end
• 3312[09:14:49] <liuxin_> hi
• 3313[09:14:54] <gpunk> hi
• 3314[09:15:33] <jmd> ¿Qué?
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• 3331[09:17:01] <liuxin_> ???
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• 3334[09:17:10] <liuxin_> where are you guys come from
• 3335[09:17:42] <rant> this is not a coffee shop, its a support channel, try ##chat or something
• 3336[09:17:49] <xormor> I am compiling the Linux kernel again: make deg-pkg, for my debian.
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• 3338[09:19:14] <liuxin_> sorry guys
• 3339[09:19:38] <liuxin_> i dont want to disturb you guys
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• 3342[09:19:48] <liuxin_> just have a nice day
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• 3496[09:47:02] <xochilpili> hi all
• 3497[09:47:40] <xochilpili> is it possible to encrypt hd and while boot does not ask for passphrase ?
• 3498[09:48:23] <eck> no
• 3499[09:49:54] <rant> its possible, its just not real practical
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• 3510[09:51:08] <xochilpili> i just want to encrypt home, and using fstab to mount at boot time, i know it is not practical, but still, if anyone can point me to the right direction
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• 3521[09:52:10] <rant> encryption is only useful when the device isnt open.. if you open it without a password its just a waste of resources
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• 3530[09:53:36] <rant> the only way passwordless encryption makes any sense at all is if you use a removable key and setup scripts to monitor its insertion/removal
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• 3536[09:54:19] <xochilpili> is it possible to fetch encryption passphrase from another server ?
• 3537[09:54:42] <rant> and with a dir like /home this becomes an issue because you have to logout and slay the user to lock it back up
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• 3565[09:58:13] <xochilpili> rant, this is a server, with only one user at home
• 3566[09:58:28] <xochilpili> which wont logg in
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• 3569[09:59:02] <xochilpili> i just need to prevent another users mount this VM hard disk into another VM Machine, in the same server
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• 3580[10:00:18] <rant> xochilpili: permissions is a much simpler way to achieve this without the performance hit and all the rubegoldberg stuff
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• 3596[10:02:19] <xochilpili> rant, but if i change permissions doesnt matter if from another rooted machine mount my hd
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• 3614[10:04:53] <nyov> Hello people; my clamav-daemon dies consistently again, after every startup. Apparently it dies with SIGCHLD, I don't know why. Strace is here: replaced-url
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• 3625[10:05:58] <nyov> This is new, but not that new. It runs on a vps though it should have enough mem, and it doesn't exit with any errors which bugs me a bit
• 3626[10:06:20] <rant> idk I'm not gonna argue the silliness of this with you.. but passwordless stuff is all the same, you either use something that circumvents the password mechanism.. in this case luks is decrypted with keys, and a luks volume can have as many keys as you want and they can be outside the luks container, so you just create one outside it without a password
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• 3630[10:06:55] <rant> the problem with that is, if you do this, they can just the same get your key as they could take your hdd out and put it in another machine to circumvent permissions
• 3631[10:08:02] <rant> I've used luks before without a password, but I did so by hiding a key inbetween partitions of my mp3 player.. requiring that device to be plugged in for the volume to be decrypted and since it was hidden between the partitions, someone would have to know that 1) that device was a key, and 2) which bytes to read from it
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• 3639[10:09:21] <rant> storing the key on the same disk as the luks container is no different than just using unencrypted fs with permissions to keep peple out
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• 3648[10:13:16] <rant> in any case you also want to keep a 2nd key with a passphrase on the container because you'll want a key you can backup without fear of it being so easily compromised so you can retain access to the data if your skeleton key (without password) becomes corrupt
• 3649[10:13:44] <nyov> xochilpili: in the past, i had my server boot only after querying a hidden keyfile on a certain usb stick. So if it was plugged in at startup it would boot, otherwise shutdown again.
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• 3652[10:13:52] <rant> keeping header backups is important on luks to retain access to data
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• 3658[10:15:16] <rant> you can also make a script that will ask for the password if the key is not found.. but as I said, the key has to be somethign removable you keep on your person or else its f'n pointless
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• 3660[10:15:50] <xochilpili> rant, nyov found this : replaced-url
• 3661[10:16:11] <nyov> it's also just a hassle because unless you really need to protect the data that way, it'll just bite you in the ass when you need to recover it at some point
• 3662[10:17:07] <rant> yeah well you should always keep a header backup of a luks container with a key that has a good secure passphrase
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• 3665[10:17:47] <rant> because header corruption happens, and external keys can be lost or corrupt too..
• 3666[10:17:57] <rant> then the data is gone forever
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• 3668[10:18:12] <nyov> yes, preferrably on a medium that doesn't degrade, like a usb stick flash or magnetic thing like floppy
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• 3670[10:19:16] <gpunk> mini discs are good
• 3671[10:19:21] <nyov> (meaning, don't use a usb stick)
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• 3673[10:19:33] <nyov> gpunk, if you still have some.
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• 3676[10:19:43] <gpunk> yes
• 3677[10:19:47] <nyov> lucky
• 3678[10:20:02] <gpunk> they are still beeing sold in france
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• 3682[10:20:40] <rant> idk but flash afaik doesn't degrade unless actually being used
• 3683[10:20:49] <rant> magnetic storage degrades when not being used
• 3684[10:20:55] <xochilpili> i have another doubt, here in my house i have installed debian with lvm encryption when i install ask me for a passphrase, you mean that im able to put my secret in a usb ?
• 3685[10:21:05] <xochilpili> or i have to doit before the encryption ?
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• 3688[10:21:30] <xochilpili> this is what i dont understand what will be the steps for doing this
• 3689[10:21:34] <rant> you can always add a new key to a luks header
• 3690[10:21:45] <rant> and that key doesnt have to be inside the luks container
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• 3693[10:22:09] <gpunk> MD are magneto_optical
• 3694[10:22:21] <rant> you can create a new key file on some other device and add it to the header of the luks container
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• 3696[10:23:17] <rant> its a standard dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/to/keyfile kind of operation then cryptsetup lukAddKey kinda deal
• 3697[10:23:22] <xochilpili> rant, how, i mean, im right now in a fresh debian install with lvm encrypted, and i dont know where is that luks, i have cat /etc/fstab and there is nothing about it
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• 3699[10:23:51] <rant> encrypted volumes are not handled by fstab, they're handled by crypttab
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• 3701[10:24:05] <rant> they can't be mounted, so putting them in fstab is pointless
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• 3704[10:24:29] <rant> thats why I keep calling it a luks container.. you have to open the container before you have a volume you can mount
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• 3714[10:26:32] <xochilpili> rant, ok, help me to understand, im sitting here with an encrypted hd, then i have cat /etc/crypttab and i have this sda5 crypt UUID=xxxx none luks << then where's my key?
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• 3716[10:27:11] <xochilpili> how can i add a new key or just dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/to/keyfile this will load (reseting the last one?) ?
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• 3719[10:27:41] <rant> the process of mounting a luks encrypted volume is first doing cryptsetup luksOpen /path/to/container mapper-name then doing mount /dev/mapper/mapper-name whereby the system is looking up the header, finding a key file, asking for the password )if any) for that keyfile, then the kernel is decrypting it on the fly and exposing the unencrypted contents of the container through the mapper-name which is then a
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• 3721[10:27:46] <nyov> xochilpili: I used a custom initramfs script to install, which would read my usb using `dd` IIRC. Write script, put into /etc/initramfs-tools/, run `update-initramfs`. Well, learn the strange order of initramfs scripts first. Have backup when you kill your boot process :D
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• 3723[10:27:47] <rant> normal volume
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• 3726[10:28:30] <nyov> /etc/crypttab format is: <target name> <source device> <key file> <options>, keyfile would be some path
• 3727[10:28:47] <rant> xochilpili: the dd process is just creating a file.. the same way you will create a swapfile. you have to then make it a key and add it to the header with cryptsetup. and no, it won't overwrite the key, its ADDING a key to the header.. you can have more than one key for a container
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• 3733[10:29:38] <rabbel> Hi guys. I was wondering if the security.debian.org mirror is replacable for package updates. I know http.debian.net exists. Is that usable for security updates too? If yes, how?
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• 3744[10:30:12] <rant> rabbel: security updates come from the security server.. they are not distributed for security reasons
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• 3746[10:30:32] <rabbel> rant: interesting. what happens if this server is badly performing?
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• 3753[10:31:03] <rabbel> rant: I'm asking because this weekend I had issues installing packages on a freshly installed machine.
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• 3757[10:31:06] <xochilpili> rant, but i have in this /etc/crypttab less arguments that you provide: sda5_crypt UUID=081eebc7-b6b0-4f61-b4db-35ba4d786ef7 none luks : <target: sda5> <source: crypt> <key: UUID> <options: none luks> ??
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• 3775[10:32:50] <rant> rabbel: security updates are just that.. they're not standard packages.. they're security updates. any install would work fine without security.. you're just not going to have any patched versions of important security fixes since the last point release
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• 3780[10:33:31] <ItryToJoin> Hello world!
• 3781[10:33:36] <Kremator> guys
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• 3783[10:33:38] <Kremator> be prepared
• 3784[10:33:46] <Kremator> we probably gonna get spammed anytime soon
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• 3788[10:34:23] <Kremator> remember to /mode <yoursnick> +R guys
• 3789[10:34:27] <rabbel> rant: interesting, thanks.
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• 3794[10:35:30] <rant> rabbel: afaik that policy hasn't changed.. Debian project has determined its safest for security to not have mirrors otherwise people could end up with stale updates because one mirror didnt update the same as others
• 3795[10:35:36] <rabbel> So if I go to http.debian.net (the landing page), it talks about /debian and /debian-security/. What's the difference? Has debian-security something to do with this update mirror?
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• 3798[10:35:57] <rabbel> rant: yeah that makes a lot of sense.
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• 3816[10:39:22] <somiaj> rabbel: security.debian.org is multiple servers, but all under the same domain name. But what you said is basically true, not any mirror can be a security mirror.
• 3817[10:39:27] <somiaj> rant: ^^
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• 3819[10:40:06] <xochilpili> rant, thanks for the explanation i understand now
• 3820[10:40:06] <xochilpili> :D
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• 3822[10:40:16] <rant> somiaj: yeah I thought I read something about that policy being changed before but I wasnt certain
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• 3824[10:40:40] <somiaj> rabbel: Also debian stable is a frozen system, as such one cannot just put a new package directly into stable. Security and stable-updates are the two methods for getting new packages into stable, one gives security and other bug fixes for the frozen system.
• 3825[10:40:40] <rant> I just know it was originally deemed that security should be only one server
• 3826[10:41:09] <somiaj> rant: if you run dig on security.debian.org, you will see a few mirrors behind it, but they are all tightly synced and not anyone can host a security mirror.
• 3827[10:41:34] <somiaj> I see 4, so it is a small number, what you say for the most part is true.
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• 3837[10:46:35] <somiaj> Kremator: the freenode staff has done a fairly good job keeping it down, so only some gets through.
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• 3839[10:47:24] <Kremator> somiaj, well, poor 3grub looks like poland
• 3840[10:47:34] <Kremator> and remember, poland has been wrecked by like 5 times now in every war
• 3841[10:47:48] <Kremator> #grub *
• 3842[10:48:31] <somiaj> Kremator: it makes it through, but it is a balance, such as #debian isn't +r, because we would rather put up with a little spam then prevent legimit users who don't want to register an account from getting support.
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• 3844[10:48:50] <rabbel> somiaj: thanks!
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• 3848[10:50:01] <rabbel> So what's the difference between wheezy/updates in sources.list and the /debian-security/ endpoint that is mentioned on http.debian.net? Are those related?
• 3849[10:50:06] <_KaszpiR_> Kremator heeheh
• 3850[10:50:19] <rabbel> The wheezy/updates in my sources.list points to security.debian.org
• 3851[10:50:34] <somiaj> rabbel: one is a url, the other is the name of the 'repository'
• 3852[10:50:36] <rabbel> And yes, I know, wheezy :) I'm in progress to migrate to Debian 9 :-)
• 3853[10:51:09] <somiaj> rabbel: so security.debian.org/debian-security is the url for the security repos, and wheezy/updates is the name of the security repo you are using.
• 3854[10:51:15] <_KaszpiR_> rabbel fear not, we got centos 5 somewhere in here ;D
• 3855[10:51:22] <somiaj> rabbel: wheezy-lts is still supported by security, so you are just fine.
• 3856[10:51:26] <somiaj> well by the lts team.
• 3857[10:51:32] <jsoft> So what mta thing do you cats use, for generic 'oh yep, send stuff from here to another MTA duties.. and what gizmos do you guys use for 'oh some dick is trying to brute force my machine' prevention?
• 3858[10:51:52] <somiaj> rabbel: the strange one is wheezy/updates is security updates repo, and wheezy-updates is the other stable-updates repo I was talking about.
• 3859[10:52:18] <rabbel> Ufff ... I'm confused a bit.
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• 3862[10:52:37] <rabbel> This is my full line: deb replaced-url
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• 3864[10:52:59] <somiaj> !wheezy sources.list
• 3865[10:53:00] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 3866[10:53:00] <rabbel> So I do not point to an endpoint in security.debian.org, but I'm talking to the wheezy/updates security repo.
• 3867[10:53:17] <rant> jsoft: fail2ban comes to mind, but I dont use either of those things
• 3868[10:53:26] <somiaj> rabbel: they must have changed the location, in stretch it is now replaced-url
• 3869[10:53:38] <rabbel> Interesting, OK.
• 3870[10:53:42] <somiaj> rabbel: so due to that, the info you see may not apply directly to wheezy.
• 3871[10:54:16] <rant> jsoft: nullmailer comes to mind for a simple solution to the other
• 3872[10:54:40] <somiaj> jsoft: design choices can help out a lot. Limit what sort of things you have that people can login to. Disable root password for ssh, use unstandard usernames, run fail2ban so brute forces only get a few attempts before being blocked.
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• 3874[10:55:38] <somiaj> if running standard software like wordpress, do not use any standard username like 'admin' 'webmaster', etc. Run wordfence, I see lots of attacks on my wp server, but none of them are actual valid usernames the bots try
• 3875[10:55:54] <rabbel> Interesting stuff guys. Thanks. With dpkg telling that and my data in sources.list, what's the difference between the wheezy/updates and the wheezy-updates repository?
• 3876[10:56:09] <rant> when I've setup servers I've seen in the auth logs people using every name they could think of.. bob, james, etc..
• 3877[10:56:16] <rabbel> Apologies for the somewhat annoying questions :-)
• 3878[10:56:27] <somiaj> rabbel: I tried to explain this. One is security updates, the other is non-security bug-fix updates
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• 3880[10:56:44] <rabbel> somiaj: perfect
• 3881[10:56:46] <somiaj> rabbel: basically the way debian is setup, there needs to be a way to get things into stable, and these repos are how it is done
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• 3884[10:57:02] <somiaj> rabbel: there is also a wheezy-proposed-updates to add even another layer for people to test things
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• 3886[10:57:17] <rant> jsoft: the general idea behind fail2ban is that it monitors logs and sets up firewall rules on the fly when it notices failed attempts
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• 3888[10:57:26] <Eduard_Munteanu> Why not push updates to the stretch repo?
• 3889[10:57:40] <somiaj> rabbel: for the most part wheezy and wheezy/updates are the two you should have, wheezy-updates is optional and just gives you access to some packages before a point release. At this point in wheezy, there may not be much that comes through wheezy-updates
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• 3893[10:58:01] <somiaj> Eduard_Munteanu: they only get pushed to the stretch repo at point releaes, other wise the repo is frozen.
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• 3895[10:58:46] <jsoft> rant, yeah.
• 3896[10:59:28] <jsoft> somiaj, done most of that, save fail to ban
• 3897[10:59:39] <jsoft> thanks guys
• 3898[10:59:44] <somiaj> jsoft: I know some who run both fail2ban and denyhosts
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• 3900[11:00:04] <rant> Eduard_Munteanu: its done that way for consistency. regular repos are cloned be all sorts of 3rd parties.. point releases are made to facilitate this, but the security service is there for things to be fixed as they are found, and trying to keep all 3rd party repos in sync would be problematic
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• 3909[11:00:05] <somiaj> jsoft: also if running such things on a remote host, sometimes it is nice to make sure you have multiple ips you can use to get to the machine just incase you accidently block yourself.
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• 3916[11:01:20] <rant> you could also setup something like port knocking to give you another chance to get in, if such a thing were to occur
• 3917[11:01:20] <somiaj> rant: good point, users of testing/unstable have to deal with waiting for their mirror to propgate all the changes a lot.
• 3918[11:01:22] <jsoft> somiaj, not worride about that, I can go in via a terminal thingy. It's a VPS
• 3919[11:01:29] <rabbel> somiaj: thanks a lot.
• 3920[11:01:29] <jsoft> :)
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• 3928[11:01:38] <rant> port knocking is an old-fashioned low-tech security method
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• 3932[11:02:01] <Eduard_Munteanu> jsoft, I usually don't care about login attempts because I rely on public key auth or some strong password kept in a password manager. So unless it's hitting the server too hard DoSing it, I don't bother.
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• 3937[11:02:21] <somiaj> jsoft: debian doesn't ship with a firewall under the idea that it is better to control what services your machine is running and setup proper security measures for those.
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• 3939[11:02:54] <rant> somiaj: that's not accurate.. in linux the firewall is in the kernel.. those programs are just frontends
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• 3942[11:03:02] <jsoft> somiaj, yeah thats nice, and I have minimal services exposed, but why not a firewall too.
• 3943[11:03:04] <somiaj> Eduard_Munteanu: yea, brute force is more a problem if someone gets ahold of the has database, the delay in login attempts is usually enough to slow brute force down alot.
• 3944[11:03:19] <somiaj> rant: should have said default configuration.
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• 3947[11:03:44] <somiaj> jsoft: and many users will put one up. Though usually it is better to have the firewall on a machine seperate than the one you are protecting, but this is not always possible.
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• 3950[11:03:57] <ompaul> wrt firewalls apt search firewall will give you many options, read about them before you charge off down the first opportunity
• 3951[11:04:12] <jsoft> im already running.. what is it.. ufw or something
• 3952[11:04:13] <somiaj> jsoft: but if all your firewall is doing is blocking access to unopened ports, it isn't doing much.
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• 3954[11:04:16] <rant> I am a fan of the transparent firewall myself in situations I've used/needed one
• 3955[11:04:25] <Eduard_Munteanu> One thing you have to be careful about is local accounts, because using a weak password on those kinda screws things up when you install services like ssh, which are automatically turned on.
• 3956[11:04:38] <jsoft> somiaj, sure. But if I am mincing around, configuring a new thing, it still blocks those ports while I configure stuff.
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• 3961[11:04:59] <somiaj> jsoft: exactly there are uses, and many tools out there to build one that fits your needs.
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• 3965[11:05:26] <rant> when you setup a transparent bridge you dont actually see the firewall on the network, traffic passes through it without anyone knowing its there
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• 3978[11:08:10] <jsoft> Well thanks for the suggestions and advice lads :)
• 3979[11:08:22] <jsoft> A toast, to more bourbon! :)
• 3980[11:08:31] <xochilpili> there's not clevis for debian ?
• 3981[11:09:36] <somiaj> I'm not getting any search hits on that, what is clevis?
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• 3985[11:10:35] <jsoft> Yeah what is that
• 3986[11:10:37] <rant> sounds like a NASCAR fan :P
• 3987[11:10:46] <jsoft> Sounds like a new type of blender
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• 3990[11:10:51] <rant> heh
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• 3994[11:11:45] <rant> In that case I could've used a clevis the other day when I was making a milkshake by hand
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• 3997[11:12:50] <somiaj> seems it is some encryption tool that is about a year old.
• 3998[11:12:58] <qqz_> it is impossible to select another keyboard layout under systemsettings5 because I have no permission to do so as user.
• 3999[11:13:03] <qqz_> what can I do?
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• 4002[11:13:27] <qqz_> as root I can however that does not change anything when I log in as user
• 4003[11:14:16] <rant> qqz_: you're going to need to be more specific. Keyboard layouts differ depending on what environment you're talking about
• 4004[11:14:45] <qqz_> I have logged in with sddm a KDE session
• 4005[11:15:05] <qqz_> input method under systemsettings5
• 4006[11:16:20] <ForceRecon> in a nutshell if possible can someone explain wayland and how it will impact debian stretch cinnamon? Will this change make running nvidia drivers or the potential for nvidia drivers to be made for linux and maybe be installed during installation?
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• 4012[11:17:55] <rant> ForceRecon: video drivers typically have two parts kernel and X, I dont know much about wayland but I dont see how it could remove the kernel side requirement or change it in anyway
• 4013[11:17:58] <somiaj> ForceRecon: the xserver is partly a standard and a client/server model, and though it works decent, it has a lot of overhead and standards it needs to keep to be called an xserver. waylend is intended to be an alternative for desktop only users, and is actually built by a lot of the same people who built xorg.
• 4014[11:18:05] <qqz_> rant: did I answer your question?
• 4015[11:18:22] <Eduard_Munteanu> ForceRecon, the problem is NVidia drivers are proprietary
• 4016[11:19:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> And they're not very essential to install out of the box or by default.
• 4017[11:19:21] <somiaj> ForceRecon: there are things an xserver can do that waylend cannot and as such waylend is not a replacment. Over time a lot of thigns will move to have waylend support (and waylend has some xorg compadability support), but I would not expect waylend to just replace xorg, and things may gradually start moving to waylend.
• 4018[11:19:30] <rant> qqz_: yes, I understand now that you're speaking about KDE, but I haven't used KDE in probably 15 years.. and I dont switch keyboard layouts. I was just trying to get you to be specific so someone could more likely help you.
• 4019[11:19:40] <somiaj> ForceRecon: and as mentioned, nvidia might take a while to start building waylend drivers.
• 4020[11:20:02] <ForceRecon> thanks for the information.. I was just reading an article and it stated that ubuntu has chosen NOT to go with wayland but debian is. It also kinda expressed that with wayland companies like nvidia might just get on board..
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• 4024[11:20:38] <somiaj> ForceRecon: well debian likes to provide its user choice, so saying 'debian is going with waylend', dosen't mean debian is going to ditch xorg, it is just going to give its users the choice of what to run.
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• 4027[11:21:26] <somiaj> ForceRecon: ubuntu doesn't give users as much choice, and they probably made the decision that as of now sticking with xorg is best at this time to ensure support over the systems they build for.
• 4028[11:22:02] <JackFrost> (IIRC, at the login screen one can easily choose Wayland, though.)
• 4029[11:22:03] <ForceRecon> again thanks for the information I understand it a bit better now..
• 4030[11:22:10] <rant> from what little I've heard of wayland it sounds like it'd be a PITA.. I read its designed from the ground up with security in mind and sounds like it'd be annoying to do many things I've come to like doing.. like the xselection thing where i just highlight text and click to paste
• 4031[11:22:25] <rant> with something overly security conscious that sort of thin will likely not be possible
• 4032[11:22:39] <somiaj> ForceRecon: waylend has been around for a while, and still only a few clients use it, overtime debian will provide more and more options for people to use it who want to, but I woudlnt' expect it will change your cinnimon + xorg + nvidia setup any time soon, and you can keep running that.
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• 4035[11:22:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> rant, that's a feature, not a bug. :)
• 4036[11:22:59] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
• 4037[11:23:06] <ForceRecon> if anyone wants to read
• 4038[11:23:08] <rant> Eduard_Munteanu: not in my opinion :P
• 4039[11:23:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> rant, the clipboard is really really insecure, consider password management as a use case
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• 4044[11:24:53] <Eduard_Munteanu> This kind of security is a step towards running untrusted applications safely.
• 4045[11:25:16] <rant> Eduard_Munteanu: yeah well for sanity and ease of use, the paranoia line has to stop somewhere.. or I'm gonna end up with encrypted underwear or DNA
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• 4048[11:26:16] <rant> though encrypting DNA I might be interested in.. heh..
• 4049[11:26:33] <somiaj> what was the quote about building a more foolproof system only creates bigger fools
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• 4053[11:28:10] <Eduard_Munteanu> Nah, it's just that we got used to bad design. The web is practically the only secure sandbox we have.
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• 4055[11:28:24] <rant> you just cant replace common sense in security.. everyone wants something they can just *plok* in place and it be secure.. it doesnt work that way you have to design, implement, audit, repeat
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• 4061[11:29:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> Linux systems are missing quite a few essential things like a good secure access key.
• 4062[11:29:50] <rant> I get that the design of X has been very holy and not in the sacred way.. heh.. but I dont rely on that for my security anyhow and losing features that allow my apps to communicate isn't a solution I'm interested in
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• 4065[11:29:54] <kale> one thing is the screen locking. just kill the application that has the unlock dialog and you are in
• 4066[11:29:55] <Eduard_Munteanu> Which is kinda odd considering it started as a multiuser system.
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• 4074[11:30:19] <rant> that is one of the things I loathe the most about windows is not being able to just highlight something in one app and click to paste it in another
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• 4076[11:30:41] <kale> rant: putty does that ;-)
• 4077[11:31:03] <rant> if I can't trust an app or myself to not expose data, then no annoying security paranoid system is gonna help
• 4078[11:31:08] <somiaj> rant: that and focuse follows mouse, but there was usallly a tweak to get that.
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• 4084[11:31:43] <ForceRecon> not following you on that rant.. you can copy and paste in windows from one app to another.. I can go from word or excel to mail or notpad.. what exactly are you describing. Im curious
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• 4086[11:32:07] <rant> ForceRecon: in X you don't have to TELL it to do it, it just does
• 4087[11:32:41] <somiaj> ForceRecon: in X select the text -- it is automatically copied, move your mouse to where you want to paste, hit middle mouse button, it is pasted
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• 4089[11:32:54] <Eduard_Munteanu> rant, it can't really work that way. Think about it: you copy some text and paste it into the terminal. While you're doing that, the website in a browser decides to replace the clipboard contents with rm -rf /.
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• 4091[11:32:59] <rant> ForceRecon: you just highlight something and its "copied" and furthermore you can specifically tell it to copy one thing, then highlight another and you have two things you can paste different places by different methods
• 4092[11:32:59] <ForceRecon> oh I see what you mean now.. okeedo.. I tell you what copy and pasting in linux from PuTTy to Putty might be easy but copy and pasting from Putty to anything else is a real pain in the butt
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• 4096[11:33:01] <somiaj> also I like this paste far better than ctrl-c / ctrl-v, because it only copies text (and no formatting with it)
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• 4109[11:34:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> So if you're going the "I'm only going to run trusted code" route, you'd better not use the web as well.
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• 4112[11:34:54] <kale> Eduard_Munteanu: easier to just trust the web
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• 4134[11:38:55] <rant> the web browser shouldnt allow access to that.. just like it shouldnt allow access to my filesystem
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• 4138[11:39:03] <rant> so I dont have to trust websites
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• 4143[11:39:35] <rant> web browsers are suppose to be VMs for this reason
• 4144[11:39:45] <kale> ahh no local webcache, guess that did not make sens on a 56K modem, but today it might
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• 4147[11:40:33] <rant> webcache isn't meant to be a place where things run arbitrary code outside my web browser's VM
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• 4157[11:41:45] <somiaj> rant: I am glad I can copy/paste from my browser, though maybe this will also appear in mthe ever increasing list of security flags you can configure per site
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• 4195[11:51:44] <reber> hey all. Does anyone use compiz to zoom part of the screen ? Can't make it work on debian please
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• 4246[12:03:31] <justinas> Hi, guys. I am having a problem with UEFI. More concretely, I am trying to put UEFI to setup mode, so that I can enroll my own db list, but efi-updatevar -d 0 -k PK.key PK doesn't work.
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• 4248[12:03:43] <justinas> It complains that Failed to update PK: Operation not permitted
• 4249[12:03:59] <justinas> How can I remove the PK?
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• 4320[12:14:34] <capin> i added a couple of scripts to `/etc/update-motd.d` but their not being run, is there something I need to run to get the updated scripts to persist?
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• 4322[12:14:38] <f-a> hello. I was compiling a software and it wasn't finding `lua` (which I have installed). I had to LUA=/usr/bin/lua5.3 ./configure . Is this something worth reporting or a deliberate decision?
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• 4335[12:16:00] <reber> does compiz still works on debian ?
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• 4346[12:18:51] <ompaul> reber: on whatever you are running apt serach compiz
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• 4526[12:43:34] <ForceRecon> where can you find out what error message numbers mean, wlp6s0 Scan results ERROR (-22)
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• 4541[12:44:52] <somiaj> ForceRecon: depends on the actuall app. Maybe it is documented, or you might have to search through the source code to determine what is throwing that error code
• 4542[12:45:05] <somiaj> ForceRecon: basically when an app exits, it sends an error code with it, and the programers deside what the codes are
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• 4555[12:45:55] <ForceRecon> I was looking for this information just to better my brain.. I see that is the only error I have in dmesg... curious what it was doing
• 4556[12:46:32] <somiaj> ForceRecon: you would have to look at the module that is throwing that error code, and invesigate it further.
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• 4560[12:46:46] <ForceRecon> thanks I will get to the bottom of it :)
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• 4563[12:47:15] <somiaj> google sometimes helps
• 4564[12:47:21] <ForceRecon> would @wl_notify_scan_status : be the the module
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• 4570[12:48:34] <ForceRecon> I think I found some information.. thanks.. get back
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• 4574[12:48:45] <somiaj> ForceRecon: unsure on the details for this error code
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• 4618[12:54:01] <weeweeener> weeeeeeeeeeee
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• 4626[12:55:59] <ahmadadnan> hi all
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• 4629[12:56:27] <weeweeener> ahmadadnan wee wee go pee pee
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• 4632[12:56:36] <ahmadadnan> I am trying to install debian 9.3 on Dell Poweredge r440 server but no luck
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• 4637[12:57:20] <ahmadadnan> the installer couldn't detected the raid disk
• 4638[12:57:35] <weeweeener> ahmadadnan: do you have a cunt?
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• 4643[12:58:07] <somiaj> ahmadadnan: Do you know if your raid controler requires any special modules to work with the 4.13 linux kernel?
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• 4647[12:58:54] <ahmadadnan> somiaj : I'm not sure, the Dell lifecycle make the installation harder
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• 4656[12:59:20] <ahmadadnan> perc driver is only for rhel
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• 4672[13:01:37] <Al_lA> i need help making sense of my gnupg keys after exporting them, then importing to another computer.
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• 4674[13:02:01] <somiaj> ahmadadnan: you should be able to get to a console, alt-f2, and try to load a module for it. You could use another debian system to build it for the debian kernel if needed.
• 4675[13:02:05] <Al_lA> nah, forget it. i need to read more
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• 4681[13:02:26] <somiaj> ahmadadnan: but I'm unsure, I really don't know raid hardware. But I would try to track down what isn't detecting.
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• 4701[13:05:31] <numbdewd> hey .. not totally - if at all - debian-related, really, buuut.. it's been a reoccuring issue for atleast a year now i think, past couple Debian versions and something that a n00b like me easily cause, apparently (happend a time or three.. :d) ... i clean my (Ruby) gems, and/or update them.. if I update them all, after first having a reasonable collection as required by dependencies..
• 4702[13:05:44] <numbdewd> it leads to some bothersome issue with apt-get .. "The following packages have unmet dependencies: ruby-fuubar : Depends: ruby-progressbar (>= 1.4) but it is not going to be installed"
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• 4712[13:06:51] <numbdewd> ..that ain't too easy to fix either, i do "gem uninstall .." and and the other .. eventually ridding my box of almost the whole lot ig uess, lol, anyway point is it takes awhile to untangle while seems kinda small/simple... also its been bothering me a while (well, just for the short time being it did last--but when it did, was so for longer that similarly worded apt-get .. issues)
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• 4716[13:07:08] <somiaj> numbdewd: how are you installing the gems, and are you mixing gems installed as debian packages, vs thouse you install locally?
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• 4718[13:07:12] <numbdewd> ..just thought i'd whine a bit.. imma head over to #ruby or something now n do as well i guess
• 4719[13:07:14] <numbdewd> oh
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• 4726[13:07:51] <numbdewd> hm, not sure , really. I indeed likely went against some good advice often times by installing untrusted gems while running as root..
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• 4738[13:09:00] <somiaj> I'm not quite sure how ruby is fully setup in debian. But I use so few gems, I just build them locally and only install the may ruby and development tools from the archive.
• 4739[13:09:12] <numbdewd> it's - too - something that, not only for convenience but due to uncertainty is difficult to predict if is needed or not ... the app itself requiring root, some or most parts of its setup may, then suddenly one gem-setup may be expected installd as non-root (not always specified-maybe its obvious to most besides n00bs like me.. :z)
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• 4749[13:09:58] <somiaj> but what might be happening is your changing some gems, and during upgrades or what not scripts encouter some issue messing with your package database
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• 4753[13:10:26] <numbdewd> mm.. also i was wondring , if possible... how i can change the "gem .." program to use ruby2.5-dev instead of ruby2.3-dev -- if at all possible.. I guess something "simple" like changing some..so-called env. vars, or something... i guess more fit for naggin the crowd in #ruby about eh
• 4754[13:10:27] <numbdewd> oh..
• 4755[13:10:31] <somiaj> I belive there are ways to set up ruby virtual enviroments, and you might be able to set one up for your user, and then just install all gems there.
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• 4758[13:10:39] <numbdewd> yeah... i thought it seemed kinda weird it impact the debian stuff at all as much..
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• 4762[13:11:04] <somiaj> as for dealing with multiple versions of ruby installed, I'm unsure. I would stick to the one provided in debian, or just install of ruby locally, in its own virtual enviroment.
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• 4764[13:11:18] <numbdewd> i know theres a package named .. "gem2deb" or something along those lines,for converting a gem('s functionality, presumably.. ) to a deb packaged .deb .. I never got that tho, nor had any of its workings doing anything (afaik.. )
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• 4766[13:11:41] <numbdewd> yeah theres 2.3 and 2.5.... or... *confused*, unsure if that applies to Stretch, sorry cant say for sure atm..
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• 4772[13:12:15] <RoyK> !gem
• 4773[13:12:15] <dpkg> i heard gem is Digital's Research Graphical Enviroment Manager - used to be on Atari ST and IBM AT (you needed Hercules or EGA)
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• 4776[13:12:32] <numbdewd> anyway... thks.. just thought id vent. as I was just reminded of this damn name -> "ruby-fuubar : Depends: ruby-progressbar" as Ive seen much before during earlier problems wit just those .. for whatever erason. lol
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• 4781[13:13:20] <numbdewd> --fix-missing , --fix-broken .. n such ofc. does not work.. it's some .. messing with the ruby stuff which got it sorted earlier I think (once I gor rid of the whole lot even, was tired n didnt have time ... )
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• 4784[13:13:46] <RoyK> perhaps there should be --boody-fixit-will-you
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• 4788[13:14:14] <somiaj> numbdewd: Track down exactly what packages are causing this dependecy issue. This can be done by looking at apt policy of the ofending packages and figuring out the dependency logic yourself.
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• 4797[13:14:38] <numbdewd> stupid ruby.. also, after updating.... i had like 100+ gems.. . it doesn't provide a command to auto-remove all the old (then unused) gems, but rather for each new it updates it print a line (among a few other lines....), so id have to..thru some laggy remote gui terminal, copy & paste 100+ lines if to just clean that space too.. Ruby seems ... under-developed still , in some ways (tho Ive
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• 4799[13:14:43] <numbdewd> ..no idea really, n00b to it all!)
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• 4803[13:14:59] <numbdewd> oh...hmm... sounds tricky.. ? hmm
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• 4819[13:16:56] <numbdewd> also buncha unresolvable dependencies to meet along the way when installing them.. some programs requiring a specific version of a gem (and ONLY exactly version x.xx.x.xx (i tried some notches up or down... no workie), and some obsolete due to security vuln and packages supporting its earlier functioning are no longer available
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• 4828[13:18:04] <numbdewd> also,I guess another stupid thing about running as root - may be a reminder for others to avoid the same -- apparently it's very easy to submit self-made gems , make up a fancy description and have some root-kit or such inside it with little or no verification before listing there , i think.. high risk of malware, and even worse when ran as root id imagine. :d
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• 4831[13:18:18] <numbdewd> guess not too different with the python pip.. , php & perl extensions either.hmh
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• 4834[13:18:46] <numbdewd> (maybe less so with the php repos...perl too id guess.... the python & ruby ones however seems a bit more..."unorganized")
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• 4837[13:20:05] <nkuttler> numbdewd: if you have questions about deploying ruby, you probably want to ask #ruby
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• 4844[13:21:04] <numbdewd> yeah... not really questions.. i guess id just be rambling n00b-stuff and seem like bitching and not much constructive either as newb to it all as I am, hard to debug or figure anything for me still im afraid.. :/ ..hm.. dunno..
• 4845[13:21:10] <somiaj> numbdewd: are you looking for a solution or just ranting?
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• 4848[13:21:19] <numbdewd> yeah.. thks -- ... I'll ehad over and possibly chat em up anyway
• 4849[13:21:35] <nkuttler> sounds like you *should* ask questions
• 4850[13:21:37] <numbdewd> mm... imma go bother #ruby now. sorry., thks again, and see-ya
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• 4852[13:21:44] <numbdewd> hm
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• 4865[13:23:07] <numbdewd> well, frmo what i coul remember frmo earlier... there wa seventually some confilct ... or dependency that should rather have been in its place, named strangely.. "ruby-fuubar : Depends: ruby-progressbar" .. one of these, i think theres another named like ruby-ruby-progressbar .. or something like that .. stupid. lol. (i mostly used gem files / auto- ruby-gem installers anyway)
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• 4873[13:24:11] <numbdewd> if not a package named ruby-progressbar, and also a gem naemd progressbar.... and these making a conflict (unless that was for foobar... or some sub-dependency even-might be..).. a bit tricky to sort this one usually.. :S
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• 4886[13:25:49] <numbdewd> I did notice I had installed using package manager , the Bundler-package. A certain version of that. A Ruby-app kept whining that it required a different version and suggested I do "gem someGem upgrade" or whatever.. while it seemed to do so, after each time it never did upgrade - rather it stuck with the package-managers version (not Ruby's own installed one.. so it'd keep complaining infin
• 4887[13:25:59] <numbdewd> ..infinitely as such, "please run this command, then try again .. "
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• 4937[13:35:11] <gpunk> clovis is a first name in france
• 4938[13:35:16] <gpunk> clevis i donno
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• 5022[13:47:54] <pragomer> my wifi was not detected from debian9 during installation (did it via lan). now it isnt found when debian is installed.
• 5023[13:48:08] <pragomer> what packages could I install so that it works? (it works on ubuntu live cd)
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• 5026[13:48:22] <pragomer> lspci does not show a wireless thing
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• 5028[13:48:44] <somiaj> pragomer: what wireless chipset.
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• 5034[13:49:00] <pragomer> how can I detect it when lspci does not show?
• 5035[13:49:06] <gpunk> can you post your lspci / lsusb
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• 5038[13:49:29] <pragomer> mm. i am on another computer... just wait a second..
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• 5040[13:49:34] <somiaj> pragomer: could it be a usb wifi card using lsusb
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• 5042[13:49:47] <pragomer> it isnt a wifi-usb-dongle
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• 5044[13:49:54] <pragomer> its on the mainboard I think
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• 5047[13:50:00] <pragomer> (its a medion desktop pc)
• 5048[13:50:04] <somiaj> still they could have put it on the usb bus, might depend on mobo
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• 5050[13:50:34] <pragomer> going to switch on irc to that pc.. just a second
• 5051[13:50:39] <somiaj> but if it isn't showing up in lspci, lsusb or lshw, maybe it is turned off on your firmware?
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• 5067[13:52:34] <p0g0> pragomer: boot again with the working live cd and lsmod, that should show you the precise module you need for that wifi sub rig. Then install that driver on the destination box.
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• 5069[13:52:44] <pragomer> this is my lspci: replaced-url
• 5070[13:52:47] <p0g0> *wifi usb
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• 5077[13:53:23] <gpunk> lsusb plz
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• 5083[13:53:54] <pragomer> ups I think you are right
• 5084[13:53:57] <pragomer> here is my lsusb
• 5085[13:53:58] <pragomer> replaced-url
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• 5089[13:54:16] <pragomer> so its a realtek..
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• 5094[13:54:30] <pragomer> what package would match then to this?
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• 5097[13:55:29] <somiaj> pragomer: firmware-realtek
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• 5099[13:56:08] <somiaj> you can download it from packages.debian.org, or use a wired connection to get it with apt
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• 5103[13:56:49] <pragomer> apt-get tells me: firmware-realtek is already installed.
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• 5106[13:56:59] <numbdewd> i often get all those, pretty much, on some boxes..including broadcom, iwltek, ... ti-connectivity, bluetooth etc.. firmware-* should do it!
• 5107[13:57:00] <pragomer> also I have choosen the non-free-version of debian iso
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• 5110[13:57:24] <gpunk> make sure you got contrib and or non-free enabled
• 5111[13:57:32] <somiaj> pragomer: okay, 'dmesg | grep firmware' see if it is properly loaded.
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• 5117[13:57:55] <numbdewd> add some additional repos and get source, or download custom mods for the kernel to enable your firmware the full capacity as it was given by production
• 5118[13:58:03] <pragomer> contrib and non-free are in sources.list
• 5119[13:58:22] <gpunk> apt-get install firmware-realtek :)
• 5120[13:58:32] <gpunk> and reboot
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• 5125[13:59:57] <pragomer> this is what was already installed: nearly everything: replaced-url
• 5126[14:00:01] <pragomer> but I am now doing a reboot
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• 5128[14:00:09] <pragomer> see you few minutes ;-)
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• 5137[14:02:11] <numbdewd> realtek..
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• 5142[14:02:20] <numbdewd> make sure, see the chipset , prefrrably hardware..
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• 5146[14:02:33] <numbdewd> may be atheros driver even would be the one rather
• 5147[14:02:36] <somiaj> numbdewd: please keep your comments to actual support, your signal to noise ratio is low.
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• 5152[14:03:05] <pragomer> reboot did not help sorry folks
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• 5154[14:03:11] <numbdewd> ..check replaced-url
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• 5157[14:03:32] <numbdewd> somiaj: sorry. ..will try..
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• 5160[14:03:50] <somiaj> pragomer: the wiki says it should be supported, lets try to track down the issue. dmesg | grep firmware (check to see it was actually loaded), also lets look for aother hardware issues related to the wifi card.
• 5161[14:04:00] <somiaj> numbdewd: there is no try...
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• 5169[14:04:54] <gpunk> or your whole dmesg plz
• 5170[14:05:01] <pragomer> replaced-url
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• 5178[14:05:50] <somiaj> pragomer: lets look at the output if 'ip a'
• 5179[14:05:51] <gpunk> what DE are you using ?
• 5180[14:05:57] <gpunk> define not working
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• 5185[14:06:05] <pragomer> xfce on stretch
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• 5188[14:06:26] <pragomer> my whole dmesg: replaced-url
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• 5205[14:08:33] <pragomer> ip a : replaced-url
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• 5208[14:09:45] <gpunk> can you run iwconfig plz
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• 5211[14:09:58] <somiaj> pragomer: things are mostly working, seems the issue is with network-manager trying to actually bring up the interface.
• 5212[14:10:02] <somiaj> but hardawre wise thigns seem fine
• 5213[14:10:12] <somiaj> or 'iw' the newish tool
• 5214[14:10:37] <pragomer> when I just input "iwconfig" replaced-url
• 5215[14:11:03] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 5216[14:11:04] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 5219[14:11:35] <somiaj> mutliple people say that workaround is working, seems your macaddress is rotating causing a strange problem
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• 5230[14:13:49] <pragomer> ups.. I now have selected to connect to a hidden ssid (my wifi is NOT hidden). Just input the ssid-name and pw... and it worked.. and now ALL ssids are shown
• 5231[14:13:49] <pragomer> strange... wish me luck to a reboot now LOL
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• 5266[14:18:49] <pragomer> it did not work... afer reboot I had to connect to hidden wifi again... (luckily had not to re-input the wlan-pw)
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• 5271[14:19:44] <somiaj> pragomer: the other suggestion seemed more sane, disable the randomization of the mac address
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• 5287[14:22:49] <pragomer> ?? ui.. how can I do that? and why is it randomized?
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• 5314[14:26:20] <somiaj> pragomer: did you read the bug report I lniked? replaced-url
• 5315[14:26:21] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 5329[14:27:25] <pragomer> just a moment
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• 5364[14:33:43] <toruvinn> im kinda sorry for opers, dealing with that bullcrap all the time. :-/
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• 5650[15:13:49] <estevo> Hi friends, I'm a bit desesperated with a problem in all debian I tested (stable, testing, unstable, Ubuntu). ERROR; return code from pthread_create() is 11
• 5651[15:13:49] <estevo> Error detail: Resource temporarily unavailable
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• 5657[15:14:32] <estevo> I checked everything I could read in forums: /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max, ulimit values ...
• 5658[15:15:10] <estevo> but the top is around 11,000 threads/processes
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• 5669[15:16:08] <estevo> when I reduce the virtual memory with ulimit, relation between virtual memory and stack size is there, but when virtual memory is hight, there are some limit which I can't find
• 5670[15:16:26] <estevo> any help is welcome, thanks in advance
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• 5677[15:18:06] <estevo> ah,and I have the same limit in local with 4Gb of RAM that in a server with 128Gb of RAM
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• 5689[15:19:57] <ompaul> estevo: is the vm 32bit?
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• 5694[15:20:11] <estevo> 64 all of them
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• 5705[15:21:01] <estevo> different kernel versions, OVH modificated and debian kernels
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• 5708[15:21:20] <estevo> I mean default linux kernels into debian
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• 5719[15:22:42] <estevo> big server never uses more than of 20% of RAM
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• 5724[15:23:01] <daemon> estevo, its a sign you need to run more java based servers
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• 5728[15:23:07] <daemon> minecraft is always good at memory usage :)
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• 5735[15:23:32] <daemon> if you are still struggling ZFS is quite good too
• 5736[15:23:56] <daemon> though in hoensty if you have bucket loads of spare ram, you should use ZFS anyway, may as well get some better HD performance
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• 5739[15:24:04] <daemon> and nice snapshotting ability
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• 5744[15:25:07] <estevo> java based servers ? I have the same problem in local than in dedicated servers, no virtual machines
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• 5756[15:27:03] <estevo> no resources problem, just some limit in linux kernel or pthread lib ... the only I have clear is that it's no depending on user and affects to whole system, even root can create a console when limit is raised
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• 5762[15:27:50] <estevo> even root CAN'T create a new ssh session for instance, or if ssh open I can't execute top for instance
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• 5848[15:41:24] <ompaul> You seem to have reached a limit. If it is a production machine, refer to your own run guides about what you can take out or not. If it is not then I'd even consider turning it off.
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• 5860[15:43:49] <estevo> exactly, but I don't know what limit I'm raising, not ulimit, no /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max, no /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max ???
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• 5867[15:44:34] <ompaul> what is running on it that it is so busy?
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• 5878[15:46:18] <estevo> business requirements, we have to check daily thouthands of client web pages, code is already optimized to use consumers
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• 5885[15:47:14] <estevo> anyway, the problem is that the server is underusage by this problem
• 5886[15:47:17] <ompaul> well ... seems like you need to get into test
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• 5890[15:48:14] <estevo> no, it's a OS problem, code example python3: import threading
• 5891[15:48:14] <estevo> import time
• 5892[15:48:14] <estevo> i = 0
• 5893[15:48:14] <estevo> while True:
• 5894[15:48:14] <estevo> thread = threading.Thread(target=time.sleep, args=(3600,))
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• 5902[15:49:54] <abunai> I'm running into a dependency problem with the openmw in Sid, but there are no bugs filed against the dependencies
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• 5904[15:50:14] <abunai> it looks like a virtual package was removed, even though the candidate that should satisfy it is still in the repo
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• 5922[15:53:06] <abunai> replaced-url
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• 5928[15:54:51] <abunai> apparently gdal-abi-2-2-1 is a virtual for libgdal20, which I have installed, so the dependency should be satisfied I think?
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• 5930[15:55:35] <jhutchins> ,v gdal-abi
• 5931[15:55:36] <judd> No package named 'gdal-abi' was found in amd64.
• 5932[15:55:50] <jhutchins> ,v gdal-abi-2
• 5933[15:55:51] <judd> No package named 'gdal-abi-2' was found in amd64.
• 5934[15:56:09] <jhutchins> ,v libgdal20
• 5935[15:56:10] <judd> Package: libgdal20 on amd64 -- stretch: 2.1.2+dfsg-5; buster: 2.2.2+dfsg-2+b4; sid: 2.2.3+dfsg-1
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• 5972[16:03:45] <abunai> well, it looks like it could be one of two things, either gdal-abi-2-2-1 is a typo and should be gdal-abi-2-1-2, or gdal-abi-2-2-3 is not compatible with an earlier version
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• 5988[16:07:29] <abunai> or maybe the new virtual package hasn't made it to unstable yet?
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• 5992[16:08:07] <jelly> !debian-next
• 5993[16:08:07] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 5994[16:08:33] <jelly> ^^ abunai, ask there
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• 5996[16:09:08] <abunai> alright, thanks
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• 6000[16:10:17] <apteryx_> Hello, what's the best way to use a newer Linux kernel for a Debian 9 (stable) machine used in production (security patches are important)?
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• 6005[16:10:49] <apteryx_> I've seen I can enable the experimental repo, but wouldn't that upgrade *all* of the machine's packages rather than just the kernel?
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• 6007[16:11:09] <NetTerminalGene> apteryx_, have you checked backports
• 6008[16:11:09] <ompaul> apteryx_: security patches are applied to stable, normal updates sort that out. You need do no more.
• 6009[16:11:24] <ompaul> !experimental
• 6010[16:11:24] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
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• 6015[16:12:53] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 6016[16:12:54] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports:
• 6017[16:12:55] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
• 6018[16:13:55] <apteryx_> NetTerminalGene: Are backports enabled by adding a line to sources.lst?
• 6019[16:14:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1648
• 6020[16:14:13] <apteryx_> */etc/apt/sources.list ?
• 6021[16:14:29] <NetTerminalGene> apteryx_, replaced-url
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• 6036[16:16:49] <apteryx_> Cool, this answers my question (doesn't affect all packages by default, the stretch-backports repo must be explicitly passed as repo to aptitude)
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• 6042[16:17:42] <apteryx_> I'll try it out. I hope this patches (included in kernel 4.10 and up) fixes my Ryzen crashes: replaced-url
• 6043[16:17:42] <ompaul> apteryx_: so you are not happy with the fact that security patches go to stable first. You really don't have to do anything other than normal updates.
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• 6054[16:20:27] <apteryx_> ompaul: was worrying about if/how non-stable kernels would get security patches, but it seems that for backports there are security updates, so that's good!
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• 6059[16:21:44] <ompaul> !dontbreakdebian
• 6060[16:21:44] <dpkg> it has been said that dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 6062[16:21:59] <ompaul> apteryx_: that might help your debian philosophy
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• 6170[16:42:21] <thenewone> Hi all
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• 6177[16:42:39] <thenewone> guys when i try to install wine32
• 6178[16:42:43] <thenewone> it give me this error
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• 6180[16:43:03] <thenewone> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
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• 6182[16:43:09] <thenewone> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
• 6183[16:43:14] <thenewone> wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 (= 1.8.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
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• 6188[16:43:32] <thenewone> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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• 6190[16:43:38] <thenewone> any one know how to fix this ?
• 6191[16:43:39] <thenewone> and thanks
• 6192[16:43:43] <jelly> ,v libwine --arch i386
• 6193[16:43:44] <judd> Package: libwine on i386 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.7-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.7-2; buster: 2.0.3-1; sid: 2.0.3-1
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• 6197[16:43:57] <jelly> !bat
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• 6199[16:43:57] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 6210[16:44:24] <jelly> thenewone, ^^ read what dpkg said and provide ALL the info, preferably in a single pastebin entry
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• 6212[16:44:27] <jhutchins> thenewone: Possible guess: you are on a 64b system and have not installed multiarch.
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• 6217[16:44:41] <thenewone> jhutchins, i think yes :)
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• 6221[16:44:58] <jelly> jhutchins, then wine32:i386 would not be visible either?
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• 6233[16:45:54] <thenewone> replaced-url
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• 6244[16:47:13] <thenewone> should i add "replaced-url
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• 6248[16:47:25] <thenewone> should i add "replaced-url
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• 6250[16:47:35] <jelly> thenewone, please provide the rest of the info.
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• 6261[16:48:53] <thenewone> replaced-url
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• 6263[16:49:00] <thenewone> i think this is enough ?
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• 6270[16:49:46] <jelly> thenewone, also "apt-cache policy libwine:i386" and "apt-cache policy" on its own
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• 6272[16:50:00] <thenewone> seriously ?
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• 6277[16:50:28] <jelly> thenewone, yes, was there anything unclear in bot's instructions above?
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• 6280[16:50:35] <thenewone> jelly, ok ok
• 6281[16:50:40] <thenewone> jelly, i will do all in one post
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• 6311[16:53:07] <thenewone> jelly, replaced-url
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• 6313[16:53:12] <thenewone> jelly, i hope you are happy now :D
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• 6315[16:53:20] <thenewone> thanks guys for helping :)
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• 6320[16:54:39] <jelly> it doesn't make ME happy, it just provides enough info to get a clue what's going on
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• 6322[16:54:59] <thenewone> jelly, thanks, i was joking don't worry
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• 6327[16:56:52] <generic> I was wondering why debian doesn't have a default firewall that is foolproof. something like windows-firewall
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• 6331[16:57:25] <nkuttler> generic: because you didn't write it
• 6332[16:57:34] <petemc> generic: what would this foolproof default firewall do?
• 6333[16:57:46] <ompaul> generic: you can install and configure many firewalls in many ways. apt search firewall will help you find things to tinker with
• 6334[16:57:51] <jelly> thenewone, sources seems okay for stretch, the only unusual thing is winehq sources in the mix. I suspect you have something from there installed and that's what's interfering
• 6335[16:57:55] <generic> install with everery debian installation by default
• 6336[16:58:04] <ompaul> generic: I don't want that.
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• 6338[16:58:39] * petemc waves ompaul
• 6339[16:58:43] <generic> nkuttler: i am quite good at writing code and mediocre when it comes to firewalls
• 6340[16:58:51] * ompaul waves at petemc
• 6341[16:59:01] <petemc> merry xmas, etc
• 6342[16:59:04] <thenewone> generic, what is the best firewall ?
• 6343[16:59:04] <jelly> generic, a firewall configuration will vary wildly based on what a system is used for
• 6344[16:59:17] <generic> ompaul: with a very easy stop firewall button ..
• 6345[16:59:19] <ompaul> and returns to you and yours
• 6346[16:59:21] <thenewone> jelly, so what is next ?
• 6347[16:59:52] <ompaul> generic: eh why would I use a button on a server?
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• 6356[17:00:05] <jelly> thenewone, show how "apt-get install wine32 libwine:i386" fails
• 6357[17:00:37] <derekjc> generic: the best firewall is the power button/cord.
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• 6360[17:00:49] <nkuttler> network cable will do
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• 6365[17:01:16] <derekjc> nkuttler: I'm assuming he's talking about a laptop ;)
• 6366[17:01:34] <thenewone> jelly, replaced-url
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• 6371[17:02:08] <jelly> now wine32 without the typo, thenewone
• 6372[17:02:27] <jelly> write*
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• 6375[17:02:48] <thenewone> jelly, the same problem
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• 6382[17:03:18] <jelly> thenewone, can you show the command line and complete, actual output?
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• 6389[17:04:03] <thenewone> jelly, replaced-url
• 6390[17:04:18] <jelly> after you specified libwine:i386 explicitely, the problem should _not_ be the same any more; at the very least, some other dependency ought to be blamed
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• 6392[17:04:44] <jelly> thenewone, "apt-get install wine32 libwine:i386" <-
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• 6396[17:05:59] <thenewone> jelly, replaced-url
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• 6403[17:08:27] <jelly> thenewone, repeat "apt-cache policy ..." adding newly mentioned suspicious dependencies: "apt-cache policy libfontconfig1:i386 libasound2-plugins:i386", and if they all come from Debian's repos, append them to "apt-get install wine32 libwine:i386 ..." command line
• 6404[17:08:50] <jelly> ,v libfontconfig1 --arch i386
• 6405[17:08:51] <judd> Package: libfontconfig1 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.9.0-7.1; wheezy-security: 2.9.0-7.1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.11.0-6.3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.11.0-6.3+deb8u1; stretch: 2.11.0-6.7+b1; buster: 2.12.6-0.1; sid: 2.12.6-0.1
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• 6411[17:10:35] <jelly> at some point you're going to find a package that has differing available/installed versions for 64bit (amd64) and 32bit (i386) build, or a package with an installed version that does not come from Debian (or at least not from any configured repo)
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• 6419[17:12:26] <thenewone> jelly, sorry but i'm seriously get tired i will off now
• 6420[17:12:29] <thenewone> jelly, thanks alot for your time
• 6421[17:12:37] <jelly> thenewone, you might also try doing "aptitude instal wine32", as it is sometimes smarter than apt-get
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• 6423[17:13:01] <jelly> np, take care
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• 6426[17:13:36] <jhutchins> genpaku: You really think windows-firewall is foolproof!?
• 6427[17:13:49] <jhutchins> Harumph.
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• 6436[17:15:23] <megamanx9> ho
• 6437[17:15:24] <megamanx9> hi
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• 6440[17:15:33] <megamanx9> i have this proplem
• 6441[17:15:34] <megamanx9> replaced-url
• 6442[17:15:43] <megamanx9> when i try to apt-get update
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• 6452[17:17:39] <jhutchins> megamanx9: Please give us a summary, and in the future use paste.debian.org - pastebin.com is blocked for many users.
• 6453[17:18:07] <megamanx9> Okey
• 6454[17:18:12] <jhutchins> megamanx9: Sorry, paste.debian.net
• 6455[17:18:18] <megamanx9> ok
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• 6465[17:22:05] <megamanx9> jhutchins: paste.debian.net/1002462
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• 6467[17:22:41] <jhutchins> megamanx9: Yeah, but what's it about?
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• 6470[17:23:13] <megamanx9> all apt-get commnads give me the same error
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• 6480[17:25:59] <generic> so there we are talking vividly about firewalls when all of a sudden my screen goes black
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• 6482[17:26:16] <generic> now where were we
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• 6484[17:26:43] <generic> so there we are talking vividly about firewalls when all of a sudden my screen goes black
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• 6489[17:28:45] <generic> i know that it doesnt make sense on a server
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• 6491[17:28:49] <jhutchins> generic: You really think windows-firewall is foolproof!?
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• 6494[17:29:08] <generic> jhutchins: not really but then its windows and not linux
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• 6496[17:30:01] <generic> jhutchins: linux should be better than windows
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• 6504[17:30:31] <generic> i wonder if my screen goes black with the firewall enabled again
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• 6515[17:33:13] <jhutchins> On-system firewalls are like TSA screenings.
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• 6527[17:34:55] <ompaul> It is better, stop flogging a dead horse generic. Feel free to make it part of your default install, but keep your messy hands off mine. ;-)
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• 6534[17:35:40] <steaming> homies
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• 6538[17:36:47] <rant> steaming: are you from Pittsburgh?
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• 6540[17:37:11] <steaming> stealers 4 ever
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• 6543[17:37:35] <megamanx9> anyone can help ?
• 6544[17:37:38] <rant> steaming: the "homies" was a dead giveaway.
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• 6557[17:39:38] <steaming> is there a steam debian clan?
• 6558[17:40:22] <megamanx9> help
• 6559[17:40:23] <megamanx9> paste.debian.net/1002462
• 6560[17:40:30] <rant> megamanx9: I'd first change the ftp lines to deb.debian.org, then apt-get update
• 6561[17:40:49] <rant> though its more than likely a network issue than an apt/cache issue
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• 6614[17:49:01] <generic> even windows comes with a firewall by default
• 6615[17:49:46] <generic> might not be very effective but still
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• 6623[17:50:59] <derekjc> generic: Windows comes with a tonne of stuff
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• 6629[17:51:56] <generic> derekjc: last time i installed debian it took me an hour ...
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• 6634[17:52:18] <mtn> generic: debian has a default firewall, all linux does. replaced-url
• 6635[17:53:10] <mtn> generic: if you want a nice to gui to control it, install the one of your choice
• 6636[17:53:11] <jelly> mtn, can an "allow all traffic" default policy really be called a firewall
• 6637[17:53:16] <derekjc> generic: ok. Not sure what your point is though.
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• 6640[17:53:24] <petemc> generic: i asked before, what would this firewall you want to force on everyone do?
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• 6643[17:53:37] <mtn> jelly: did he ask for a specific policy?
• 6644[17:53:41] <generic> mtn: debian comes with a default accept policy
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• 6649[17:54:03] <rant> allI can't think of a linux distro that doesn't come with a firewall as its built into the kernal
• 6650[17:54:04] <jelly> mtn, he asked for a firewall.
• 6651[17:54:20] <mtn> generic: ok, you said firewall, didn't see you ask for a specific policy
• 6652[17:54:44] <generic> jelly: not really i want a foolproof desktop frontend that makes sense
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• 6655[17:55:37] <steaming> firewall dowsnt work on piv6
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• 6657[17:56:14] <derekjc> generic: fedora has firewalld that's installed by default. You can control it through a gui and has an applet too
• 6658[17:56:19] <jelly> generic, "foolproof" and "making sense" is a bit vague
• 6659[17:56:21] <generic> steaming: ip6tables maybe ?
• 6660[17:56:22] <derekjc> and this can be done on debian too
• 6661[17:56:32] <rant> yeah well you're virtually alone in that.. whichis why its not part of the default installation
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• 6664[17:56:49] <generic> jelly: well ACCEPT policy is a little vague too
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• 6666[17:57:10] <generic> jelly: i want something like noscript
• 6667[17:57:19] <generic> jelly: but for the kernel
• 6668[17:57:37] <generic> jelly: that is enabled by default and encourages people to block sites
• 6669[17:57:48] <rant> most people who want firewalls have no idea what they are.. those who need them on the other hand are fine with having to install frontends for them, or setting them up manually
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• 6671[17:57:59] <generic> jelly: or quite the opposite encourages people to allow sites
• 6672[17:58:05] <jelly> generic, an application layer firewall? Companies like F5 make good money selling those.
• 6673[17:58:15] <nkuttler> sounds like a web proxy
• 6674[17:58:36] <jelly> and even their 5-6 figure products are not trivial to configure or use
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• 6677[17:59:51] <ppssxx> can someone tell me does debian supports direct x and which versions?
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• 6686[18:00:06] <generic> rant: i think everybody needs a firewall these days
• 6687[18:00:09] <rant> a firewall merely controls how certain types of traffi can move across certain ports. once something is allowed it offers absolutely no protection.. the portions many windows firewalls have that notify you of changes and such are not actually part of a firewall, they are merely things that monitor logs..things like fail2ban
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• 6690[18:00:31] <rant> generic: absolutely nobody needs a firewall unless they know what one is and are going to audit and modify it
• 6691[18:00:45] <jelly> ppssxx, debian does not. Wine might.
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• 6693[18:01:07] <steaming> fail2ban windows
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• 6698[18:01:43] <generic> rant: disagree. have you seen what goes on when you load a website in your browser ?
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• 6706[18:02:46] <jelly> ppssxx, I guess you could look at the version available in debian, and read the changelogs on winehq.com to see what's implemented or not
• 6707[18:02:55] <rant> generic: a firewall will do absolutely nothing for a web browser.. a firewall can either block or allow traffic on the ports it uses.. blocking it rendered the web browser unusable and allowing it allows any malicious stuff through.. you are not talking about a firewall. You were given bad notions of what one is by a crappy os and a wholistic security suite
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• 6710[18:03:24] <rant> generic: what you are talking about is an application layer gateway or a proxy
• 6711[18:03:44] <jelly> ppssxx, I suspect #winehq channel might give you better answers
• 6712[18:04:31] <generic> rant: you don't really need a proxy
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• 6714[18:04:37] <ppssxx> jelly : i found info that it supports 9.0c and maybe 10 and 11
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• 6716[18:05:12] <rant> you dont need anything unless you know what it is, think about what you're trying to secure, design and implement methods to secure against it, audit that policy, and modify it routinely
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• 6719[18:05:49] <rant> because at best it will just cripple your useage without doing anything to actually provide you security.. security is not a set it and forget it thing
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• 6722[18:06:33] <rant> you can put a vault door on your house but if you're dumb enough to open it for criminals, its useless for protecting against home invasion..
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• 6724[18:06:58] <steaming> yes you need to work on it and maybe hire a team of people to implement it and watch over it 48 ou of 24 hours a day
• 6725[18:07:01] <generic> rant: i want people to have a choice if they are willing to cripple their usage
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• 6729[18:07:51] <rant> generic: you do have a choice in debian.. our kernel comes with a built in firewall, and we have a ton of frontends to help you configure it.. all of which are as they should be, optional..
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• 6732[18:08:29] <rant> the firewall itself however is enabled by default in the kernel with an allow all policy set
• 6733[18:08:32] <generic> rant: but also i want people to profit from the knowledge that the linux community has
• 6734[18:08:41] <steaming> its not like debian default config is running any servers
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• 6814[18:24:51] <numbdewd> .."progressbar", and an other gem named like "ruby-progressbar" , would think the latter would be most natural to expect to "apt-get remove .." .. but both these are apparently 'normal' gems.. and also have to make a mix with ruby- infront of the names, and withuot when trying "gem uninstall " and also "apt-get remove .."
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• 6816[18:25:14] <numbdewd> ..seemd bit confusing, but....eventually , after a long chain of gems like that...ts all gone, n stuff seems to work again ! =]
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• 6853[18:37:01] <mnuhmnuh> is there a #debian-zh?
• 6854[18:37:09] <mnuhmnuh> chinese?
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• 6858[18:37:44] * mnuhmnuh sorry for xpost, but -offtopic don't count. :-)
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• 6860[18:38:40] <RoyK> mnuhmnuh: #debian-cn
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• 6867[18:42:47] <rant> mnuhmnuh: its on irc.oftc.net
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• 6885[18:52:38] <mnuhmnuh> tx; drat they got away before i could tell 'em, but now we know. :-)
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• 6918[19:03:20] <roniez_> trying to install libretime on my Debian Stretch 9.3 and its almost successfull, but when trying to access the web interface i get thef ollowing message. replaced-url
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• 6943[19:10:19] <Minnen> roniez
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• 6948[19:11:18] <roniez> Minnen:
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• 6951[19:11:49] <numbdewd> Google seems to have many suggestions, but which page to check out further may depend on ur circumstances I guess.. may be it'd yielf more replies if able to provide more details,
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• 6954[19:12:39] <numbdewd> replaced-url
• 6955[19:13:06] <numbdewd> (see the comments for apparent fix (to that anyway))
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• 6966[19:15:36] <roger21> inetd
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• 6972[19:18:16] <roger21> so where is inetd
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• 6978[19:19:47] <roger21> how do i get inetd or is it replaced by something?
• 6979[19:19:50] <greycat> There is an openbsd-inetd package if you need a traditional inetd for some reason.
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• 6982[19:20:06] <greycat> The real question is: what are you trying to do?
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• 6984[19:20:28] <roger21> yeah i guess
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• 6986[19:20:42] <roger21> so i use to use svn through inetd
• 6987[19:20:45] <greycat> e.g. installing telnetd (*shudder*) brings in openbsd-inetd for you
• 6988[19:21:01] <roger21> and i had to custumise some stuff
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• 6990[19:21:06] <roger21> so what now
• 6991[19:21:12] <roger21> googlesvn
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• 7003[19:23:03] <Minnen> I'm going on vacation in two days!!
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• 7011[19:25:28] <numbdewd> Minnen: Njoy ya holidays Minnen, take care- c ya round mh ^_^
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• 7019[19:26:52] <roger21> so should i install inetd i don't want to use apache
• 7020[19:27:04] <roger21> to access svn
• 7021[19:27:09] <Minnen> numbdewd thanks! :3
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• 7024[19:27:35] <roger21> or i ust put a svnserve command in init.d
• 7025[19:27:42] <roger21> damn i tired already
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• 7027[19:28:01] <greycat> Well, uh... the topic of #subversion says they are hiding in #svn but the topic and user count of #svn are hidden from me. So, good luck.
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• 7030[19:28:49] <greycat> If you manage to find them, ask them how to make the svn server run standalone. If that can't be done, then I *personally* would use tcpserver from DJB's daemontools to launch it.
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• 7039[19:30:44] <numbdewd> roger21: what's the other options.... try something totally new, weird..... who knows, may b its nice somehow even!...n prolly works as well anyway eh
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• 7046[19:31:51] <greycat> Traditional inetd design is clumsy because all the services are defined in one giant text config file, and a single daemon listens on *all* those ports. If you want to change something you have to edit the file by hand. Programs can't generally manage it.
• 7047[19:32:21] <greycat> You also can't add your own service without root privileges, even if your service is going to run on a non-privileged port as a non-privileged user.
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• 7051[19:34:09] <greycat> tcpserver (just to name the replacement I'm most familiar with) lets you specify a single port to listen to, and a command to run whenever someone connects. Voila. Just get "tcpserver 0 3456 /my/command" to run as you somehow, and you've got your service listening on port 3456.
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• 7070[19:37:48] <dwalls> hello. I'm trying to set an environment variable for a graphical program (gPodder), but I can only get it to work if I export from /etc/environment. Is there a user-specific file I can use? (I'm using XFCE.)
• 7071[19:38:07] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 7076[19:38:28] <dwalls> greycat: thanks!
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• 7079[19:39:26] <jrc_> Hey guys does anyone know the default username and password for the Debian 9.3 Live ISO image? I've been googling and I don't see it anywhere
• 7080[19:39:51] <jrc_> Some old Stack Overflow stuff from years ago comes up with credentials that don't work
• 7081[19:40:03] <greycat> !live password
• 7082[19:40:04] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
• 7083[19:40:09] <greycat> don't know whether that's still the same in 9.x
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• 7087[19:40:35] <jrc_> I tried user / live it didn't work
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• 7089[19:41:07] <numbdewd> It's like a n00b-barrier, a small threshold keeping the newbiest out. U can crack it.. keep at it,don't give it!
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• 7091[19:42:48] <gftg> jrc_: IIRC, I changed to tty2, then, as root (which is logged in) changed the password for user.
• 7092[19:43:42] <gftg> I had to do that, because the live image locked itself after some time (xscreensaver, I guess)
• 7093[19:43:48] <jrc_> So next I should dig the password database out of the ISO and run it through some rainbow tables
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• 7095[19:44:15] <gftg> jrc_: Didn't the tty2 trick work for you?
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• 7098[19:44:48] <jrc_> No it won't login, it says
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• 7100[19:45:04] <jrc_> "debian login: user (automatic login) Authentication failure"
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• 7103[19:45:56] <gftg> Hmm, then I don't know. I thought I could login as root, but my memory is propably failing me (maybe that was ubuntu?)
• 7104[19:45:58] <gftg> Sorry
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• 7108[19:47:12] <jrc_> That's okay thanks for trying to help
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• 7150[19:57:35] <johndoe22> hey guys i think i found a bug in bash, which can cause a kernel panic. i wrote a script to check if you are affected, just run: curl ix.io/Dpz | bash -
• 7151[19:57:51] <nkuttler> !ops johndoe22
• 7152[19:57:52] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: nkuttler complains about a problem (see above)
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• 7154[19:58:04] <jrc_> oh yeah let me run a bash script from a rando on irc that sounds like a good idea
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• 7178[20:03:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o greycat
• 7179[20:03:33] *** greycat sets mode: +b *!*@188.172.155.54
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• 7183[20:03:49] <nkuttler> fwiw, seems to download some malware
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• 7187[20:05:01] <greycat> I am not going to my.mixtape.moe to find out.
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• 7189[20:05:19] <greycat> Anyway, don't run his curl|bash command.
• 7190[20:05:32] <nkuttler> don't *ever* run *any* curl | bash command
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• 7214[20:11:43] <Qas> hello! I cannot sync gnupg keys, getting messages like "connection is refused", "cant connect LDAP server" and "could not retrieve keys from server: 'pool.sks..'" ...what can I do?
• 7215[20:11:46] <JPT> So ... i'm trying to mount a cifs share using the iocharset=utf8 option. The result is "mount error(79): Can not access a needed shared library", which seems to be pretty popular. Unfortunately, i don't know what i need apart from cifs-utils
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• 7219[20:13:07] <JPT> Qas: Maybe use a different keyserver - there is an option called --keyserver if i remember correctly
• 7220[20:13:26] <JPT> E.g. gpg --keyserver replaced-url
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• 7227[20:15:19] <Qas> JPT, I tried with both servers listed in the gui program, to the same effect
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• 7229[20:15:48] <JPT> There should be more than just two servers (depending on what you want to do)
• 7230[20:16:17] <JPT> How about --keyserver pgp.mit.edu
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• 7233[20:16:57] <Qas> JPT, is it a http, hkp or ldap server?
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• 7240[20:18:47] <Qas> I might have found a solution, will try now, I'll let you know once it works
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• 7250[20:21:37] <noqnio1> Hey, I have installed bumblebee with the proprietary drivers, do I have to install intel drivers as well ?
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• 7252[20:22:17] <somiaj> the intel drivers are part of the kernel, so no. Did you follow the wiki on bumblebee
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• 7259[20:23:38] <noqnio1> Yes, and everything seems fine apart from hardware acceleration on firefox quantum
• 7260[20:24:06] <noqnio1> But i just checked out on ESR and it works, so it isn't a driver issue
• 7261[20:24:25] <somiaj> where did you get this firefox quantum?
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• 7263[20:25:28] <noqnio1> black market !
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• 7265[20:25:39] <noqnio1> I downloaded it from mozilla
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• 7267[20:26:09] <somiaj> I wonder if it is something with how their static linked binary works. I'm unsure what the deal could be, but you say everything except this binary seems to be working just fine?
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• 7273[20:26:48] <noqnio1> yup
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• 7275[20:27:19] <somiaj> That info leads me to guess the problem is with mozilla's static linked libary. Though I couldn't say what or how to debug it.
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• 7282[20:29:17] <noqnio1> sounds reasonable..
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• 7286[20:29:58] <noqnio1> I ran it from the terminal and it says libGL error: failed to load driver: i915
• 7287[20:30:05] <noqnio1> that is why initially i thought it is a driver issue
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• 7289[20:31:11] <somiaj> well wouldn't you want it trying to load the nvidia driver for the better preformance?
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• 7292[20:31:34] <somiaj> what does lsmod | grep i915 return? (I'm unsure how the bumblee integration works)
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• 7297[20:33:22] <donofrio> ok got my soundcard working, now why does loading my video rom slow down everything???? I did apt-get install firmware-amd-video and now its soooooooooooo slow please advise - replaced-url
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• 7319[20:43:33] <Qas> no, it was no avail
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• 7349[20:51:38] <user> sources.list for raspberry pi 3 for image shown at replaced-url
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• 7351[20:52:10] <somiaj> user: are you really running debian on the pi and not raspbian?
• 7352[20:52:19] * RoyK sticks to raspbian
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• 7354[20:52:31] <user> yes running debian
• 7355[20:52:37] <somiaj> then just use normal sources.list
• 7356[20:52:39] <somiaj> !buster sources.list
• 7357[20:52:40] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" has only just been released which means that it's a bad time for people who don't know a lot about Debian to be trying to use the 'testing' release (aka buster). If you have to ask this question, you shouldn't!
• 7358[20:53:03] <somiaj> anyways, just normal testing sources
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• 7360[20:53:47] <user> on apt-get update & upgrade, is it ok to upgrade linux kernel?
• 7361[20:53:50] <RoyK> user: I'd recommend raspbian for a pi - bit more suited, really
• 7362[20:53:58] <RoyK> of course it is
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• 7364[20:54:13] <somiaj> user: in testing things will upgrade a lot, this may also mean y ou have to deal with new bugs as they arise.
• 7365[20:54:28] <user> ok asked as its a special image created for raspberry pi3
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• 7369[20:55:08] <somiaj> user: where did you get this special image created for teh raspberry pi?
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• 7371[20:55:41] <somiaj> oh I see, as per the wiki. I'm unsure if you have to keep buildings pecial kernels for the pi, or that is just needed for the install
• 7372[20:55:51] <user> replaced-url
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• 7376[20:57:47] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 7377[20:57:48] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 7379[20:58:19] <user> wifi is working
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• 7383[20:58:28] <somiaj> but it appears the custom kernel is just to get wifi working, and they are trying to make this by default, so you may not need to build a custom kernel anymore
• 7384[20:58:35] <user> confused on sources.list
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• 7387[20:58:55] <user> yes
• 7388[20:59:01] <somiaj> this is just a stnadard buster list, nothing special about it
• 7389[20:59:04] <somiaj> !stretch sources.list
• 7390[20:59:07] <somiaj> adapt that
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• 7392[20:59:20] <user> ok thanks
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• 7402[21:01:44] <somiaj> also in the future you should use #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for buster support, though less users run buster on pi, maybe an arm only channel would be of help too
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• 7404[21:02:06] <user> stretch sources.list or buster sources.list?
• 7405[21:02:08] <user> ok
• 7406[21:02:42] <somiaj> the standard advise is if you have to ask you shouldn't be running buster. But since the guide says you are, make sure you use buster sources.
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• 7409[21:03:47] <user> ok
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• 7423[21:07:18] <user> wud "buster alpha 2" installer work in raspberry pi 3? or only way is to start with image shown here replaced-url
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• 7427[21:08:31] <somiaj> unsure, I don't know if the pi can boot installers
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• 7430[21:09:26] <somiaj> maybe #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net can give better help for arm64 hardware
• 7431[21:09:35] <user> ok
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• 7487[21:25:38] <capin> anyone know how to increase file size limitation for the `motd`? a quick glance at one of the man pages states the `motd` can't exceede 64KB :/
• 7488[21:26:25] <mdk> >64KB can't be considered "a message" þ
• 7489[21:27:03] <greycat> "I want my users' logins to be long, brutal and painful."
• 7490[21:27:26] <greycat> "I'm logging now, boss. Just give me another 12 minutes for the MOTD to finish."
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• 7499[21:30:15] <digdilem> on a technical level, perhaps rather than go via motd, twiddle with init or the shell called during login to run something else, or cat an encyclopedia to stdout
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• 7503[21:32:31] <capin> digdilem: could i run an external script from say my $HOME dir to append a message that is > 64KB?
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• 7508[21:33:25] <digdilem> dunno offhand, look into it.
• 7509[21:33:33] <somiaj> capin: what exactly do you want to do? Do you awnt this message for all users, or just your user?
• 7510[21:33:36] <jhutchins> capin: There are a number of possibilities.
• 7511[21:33:43] <somiaj> almost sounds like an xy problem.
• 7512[21:33:52] <jhutchins> Why is the message >64KB?
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• 7515[21:35:14] <capin> if y'all must know, i name my boxes after xmen characters, and I'm messing around with termpix to generate a console image of the xmen character that the box is named after.
• 7516[21:35:43] <somiaj> capin: do you want to show this ascii art to all users, or just your user?
• 7517[21:35:49] <greycat> just put a cat command in some file in /etc/profile.d/
• 7518[21:36:13] <capin> these images are a little more hefty in size than say `fortune | cowsay -n`
• 7519[21:36:38] * greycat reads /etc/profile ... argh, make sure the file in /etc/profile.d/ ends with the suffix .sh and has NO whitespace, because fucking bugs
• 7520[21:36:56] <capin> somiaj: ideally i would like to display the image for all uses
• 7521[21:36:56] <greycat> come on, Debian, you are better than this
• 7522[21:37:31] <somiaj> capin: greycat option will work for all users, you could use $HOME/.profile or $HOME/.bash_profile for just your user
• 7523[21:37:33] <capin> that's why I was going down the motd rabbit hole
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• 7525[21:38:03] <somiaj> seems like a silly reason, just follow the rules for creating the script.
• 7526[21:38:16] <capin> thanks :)
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• 7530[21:39:48] <vivit> Hey guys, I'm curious
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• 7534[21:40:15] <somiaj> greycat: sounds like you should fix the file and send a patch.
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• 7537[21:40:49] <greycat> It's not even part of a package. I don't know where /etc/profile even comes from. Maybe hard-coded in d-i?
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• 7540[21:41:10] <somiaj> a conf file, though I forget how to get debconf to list who owns what configuration file
• 7541[21:41:17] <somiaj> either that or some postinst scrip crates it
• 7542[21:41:29] <greycat> I'm pretty sure it's something lower level, created by the installer.
• 7543[21:41:41] <vivit> One recurring problem I've had is where I attempt to run a program and it tells me it can't find a given dynamic library, but then I try to install that dynamic library via apt and it tells me I already have it installed.
• 7544[21:42:01] <vivit> In general, what's the deal when that happens?
• 7545[21:42:13] <greycat> /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.list has /etc/profile.d in it, but not /etc/profile
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• 7548[21:43:10] <somiaj> vivit: is this a multiarch setup, where the program is looking for a 32bit libary and you isntall the 64bit version (or have that one isntalled)
• 7549[21:43:20] <greycat> hmm, weird... there is another copy in /usr/share/base-files/profile
• 7550[21:43:21] <vivit> It could be
• 7551[21:43:25] <vivit> How do I find out?
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• 7555[21:44:23] <somiaj> greycat: the description of base-files says it contains /etc/profile, so maybe the postinst script copies it over, but it isn't registered as a conffile
• 7556[21:44:44] <greycat> Yeah, it is being done in base-files.postinst
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• 7558[21:44:51] <vivit> somiaj: the multiarch problem is one I've had before on different boxes, but I'm not sure about this one
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• 7560[21:45:19] <somiaj> vivit: is this happening right now, can you list the output of 'file binary' and dpkg -l | grep packagname (The libary you think is installed)
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• 7562[21:45:29] <somiaj> vivit: it could also be a version thing, the version of the libary you have is not the same as the one the binary wants.
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• 7566[21:46:26] <somiaj> greycat: wonder if it is done that way as it figures people don't want their /etc/profile changing like a normal conffile would.
• 7567[21:46:31] <vivit> You know, that looks like it might be it
• 7568[21:46:35] <somiaj> it = the matainers.
• 7569[21:47:11] <vivit> somiaj: I have libgtk2.0-0:amd64, but it's an i386 program
• 7570[21:47:14] <greycat> well, I'll make a bug report and probably nothing will happen, but at least it'll be in the record books
• 7571[21:48:42] <somiaj> vivit: so install the i386 lib
• 7572[21:48:53] <vivit> somiaj: how do I specify that
• 7573[21:48:57] <vivit> in apt
• 7574[21:49:07] <somiaj> vivit: libgtk2.0-0:i386
• 7575[21:49:22] <vivit> apt install libgtk2.0-0:i386?
• 7576[21:49:31] <somiaj> greycat: seems like a patch wouldn't be too difficult to produce, to increases chances of it being achanged.
• 7577[21:49:37] <somiaj> vivit: correct
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• 7579[21:49:58] <greycat> right
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• 7585[21:51:54] <vivit> this seems like a big design flaw in apt, to tell the user they already have something installed without specifying what arch they have it installed for
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• 7587[21:52:15] <somiaj> vivit: no, apt as a default arch, and so by default if you don't specifiy an arch, it installs the default
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• 7589[21:52:26] <somiaj> otherwise you would have to state the arch for each and every package, which is overkill
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• 7591[21:52:46] <somiaj> i.e. you don't want to have to run apt-get install vim:amd64 for instance, because most likely you want your binaries to be 64bit
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• 7593[21:54:01] <vivit> somiaj:"It appears you have a multiple architecture setup. Do you want this package for a different architecture?"
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• 7597[21:55:17] <somiaj> vivit: multiarch is for libs, and in most cases these are automatically installed, so it would be an extra step for the packages. I personally wouldn't want apt to ask me each time what arch I want to install.
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• 7599[21:55:31] <vivit> I don't mean to prompt
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• 7601[21:55:35] <vivit> Just to print
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• 7604[21:55:56] <vivit> Just a little noninteractive message to remind new users of that particular gotcha
• 7605[21:55:58] <somiaj> vivit: or just get use to you have a multiarch system and when installing libs, think about what versions you want.
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• 7608[21:56:25] <somiaj> vivit: but yea, at some level it boils down to a design choice and what is considered useful for users without adding to much verbosity.
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• 7611[21:57:15] <vivit> see the thing about verboseness/terseness is that you can easily make it into a config setting
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• 7617[21:58:37] <somiaj> vivit: you can file a wishlist bug if you want, I don't think it would gain much traction.
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• 7619[21:58:56] <somiaj> vivit: but at this time, if you want a package from an arch other than your default, you need to explicity specify this.
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• 7621[21:59:12] <vivit> And that's ifne
• 7622[21:59:17] <vivit> s/if/fi
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• 7629[22:00:10] <vivit> What's not as fine is the fact that this little extremely important piece of information remains hidden by default
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• 7632[22:01:25] <vivit> can you imagine how many garbage stackexchange queries would be eliminated with just a single line of output
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• 7644[22:03:58] <Lyberta> hi, I want to make disk for /home to be encrypted with LUKS, how can I make it so it is correctly mounted during boot?
• 7645[22:04:03] <capin> i added my script `01-cable.sh` to `/etc/profile.d` logged out / logged in, but not seeing the output the script ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 7660[22:07:50] <greycat> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 7665[22:08:42] <JPT> Lyberta: /etc/crypttab will help you out. man crypttab :)
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• 7669[22:10:01] <somiaj> greycat: I don't think that will work, the for statment will still split thigns up at spaces, you'll need to use a find | while loop.
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• 7671[22:10:18] <greycat> incorrect; the for loop is fine
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• 7673[22:10:35] <somiaj> I thoguth for used spaces for a delimiatnion.
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• 7675[22:10:43] <greycat> the results of filename expansion (globbing) don't get word split
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• 7677[22:11:17] <greycat> spaces are only relevant in a hard-coded for list, like for animal in fox rabbit grizzly bear
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• 7681[22:12:14] <somiaj> greycat: ahh yea, just tested. thanks.
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• 7683[22:13:12] <greycat> see also replaced-url
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• 7694[22:21:29] <dixie7z_> is debain unstable like rolling release as arch linux?
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• 7716[22:25:43] <bolt> dixie7z_: it's "debian". and no, it's not a rolling release. it's the development branch.
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• 7719[22:27:15] <bolt> !tell dixie7z_ about unstable
• 7720[22:27:17] <dixie7z_> bolt, someone on reddit said that it is basically rolling release... Debian Unstable
• 7721[22:27:33] <bolt> dixie7z_: they have no idea what they're talking about
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• 7723[22:27:37] <bolt> read what dpkg said
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• 7725[22:27:58] <dixie7z_> ok, thanks
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• 7785[22:50:17] <jhutchins> Apache aliases: Alias foo = "/bar"\nAlias baff = "/bar" \n Alias bing = "/bar" - only the first one works.
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• 7787[22:50:23] <jehorn> Good day all
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• 7790[22:51:48] <greycat> jhutchins: is the trailing whitespace on the second one intentional, and is it important to Apache? Also, general shot in the dark: check that your quote marks are actual ASCII quotes and not UTF-8 curlies.
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• 7792[22:52:17] <jhutchins> not intentional.
• 7793[22:52:39] <jhutchins> Yeah, as typed on xterm.
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• 7808[22:58:29] <jhutchins> I'll bet it's because RewriteBase /icingaweb2/
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• 7938[23:45:44] <lucas-arg> whats the difference between xrender or opengl 2.0 or 3.x in kde for window compositing?
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• 7940[23:45:52] <lucas-arg> i cant notice the difference
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• 7957[23:58:10] <Epakai> lucas-arg: i've seen some rendering issues with some apps. been a while though, and i can't remember specifics.
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