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1[00:01:27] <abff> I know that my broadcast ip is different then the gateway ip
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3[00:01:34] <abff> but I don't know what you're asking, sorry man
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13[00:04:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> you should rephrase that question… what does route -n give you, what did you do, what did you expect and what happened instead
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28[00:09:08] <th3_p05tm45t3r> guys who's the best for cheap vps for Debian
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40[00:16:48] <echosystm> hi guys
41[00:17:01] <echosystm> apparmor vs. grsecurity
42[00:17:22] <echosystm> it seems to me that apparmor and selinux aren't really worth it?
43[00:17:45] <echosystm> and the kernel is the biggest exploit path if you have proper file permissions set up already
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45[00:18:07] <echosystm> so... why dont more people use grsecurity?
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47[00:19:44] <somiaj> Really depends on the use case, in many cases the default kernel and security messures are fine.
48[00:20:34] <allizom> echosystm: also I have read this replaced-url
49[00:20:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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51[00:21:19] <kirillow> ubuntu at least complains: `no southbridge IOAPIC found`
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56[00:23:12] <echosystm> interesting
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60[00:24:15] <TomTomTo1> you should probably look for something with a 4.10 kernel if you are on ryzen. stretch is frozen, so it's going to be a while untill a new kernel lands in testing.
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62[00:25:00] <echosystm> i read that ubuntu server has some hardening in the kernel
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64[00:25:09] <echosystm> does debian have something equivalent?
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68[00:26:01] <kirillow> what distribution comes with a 4.10 kernel?
69[00:26:56] <somiaj> echosystm: debian keeps the kernel secure and patches issues as they arise. By default the debian kernel is secure against known exploits. Though this isn't the only issue. Security is complicated, but just adding a security layer in the kernel may not keep your system secure. Use case is very important.
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77[00:29:39] <somiaj> echosystm: note debian usually only installs a minimial system and then you install the services you use afterwards. In general you shouldn't have lots of running services you don't want on your system. And if you install a service (say webserver, mailserver, ssh server, etc) you take the extra steps to understand security issues with those. In many cases you don't need a special apparmor or whatever softw
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79[00:29:45] <somiaj> are to do this. Though additional securtiy layers won't hurt.
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81[00:31:29] <somiaj> for example one way to help secure an ssh server is install fail2ban or denyhost, this will help deal with bots trying to brute force passwords.
82[00:33:38] <abff> what do you guys think of port knocking, I know it's easy to overcome but it is another redundancy
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88[00:35:45] <somiaj> abff: might depend on usecase, I thought vpn's are the far more popular way to deal with hiding ports from the outside world, but giving acces to those who have the key.
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91[00:39:13] <solrize> hi, does debian 8 netinst somehow prevent root login by ssh password over the net? i didn't see that in the sshd_conf but it wouldn't let me log in
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93[00:39:32] <somiaj> solrize: by default debian disables root login via password, you need a key
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95[00:39:56] <solrize> there's a bit of chicken and egg problem then, since the install script prompts for a password
96[00:40:00] <somiaj> this has nothing to do with the install method. You can modify /etc/ssh/sshd_conf if you want to change this behavior (though it is a good retriction)
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99[00:40:12] <somiaj> solrize: oh you are talking about installing over ssh?
100[00:40:26] <solrize> i installed over a vnc but didn't have a good way to import an ssh key
101[00:40:32] <solrize> so i wanted to ssh in once the install was up
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103[00:40:49] <somiaj> solrize: did you creat a user during the install?
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105[00:41:08] <solrize> i looked in the sshd_conf but it didn't seem to have password login disabled. yes i did create a user
106[00:41:15] <solrize> hmm maybe su would have worked?
107[00:41:19] <somiaj> ssh as that user then su - root
108[00:41:40] <somiaj> if you don't assign root a password, the installer will install sudo and give your main user full sudo privlages
109[00:41:44] <solrize> yeah ok i should have done that. next time. instead i did a hacky thing of using wget on the vnc to pull in a public key from a remote site
110[00:41:53] <somiaj> yea only root password is disabled by default, normal user passwords are just fine.
111[00:41:54] <solrize> oh that's interesting, didn't know that either
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113[00:42:22] <solrize> i don't think the install script installed sudo. i do that from ansible after the system is running
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115[00:42:27] <somiaj> yea if you make root passwords blank, it will disable the abilty for root to login but give the main user full sudo privlages
116[00:42:46] <somiaj> it only installs sudo if you use a blank root password afiak
117[00:42:56] <solrize> anyway thanks now i know what to do next time. i don't remember encountering this issue before and i've done a few other debian installs recently, just not from netinst
118[00:43:41] <somiaj> PermitRootLogin no -- that is the line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config that prevents root login via a password.
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120[00:43:58] <somiaj> anyways hopefully you have a solution that will work for your use case
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129[00:49:02] <SuperTramp83> If I remember correctly, the default Debian installation comes with just exim and openssh services. The golden rules dictates however: purge or disable each and every service you don't need. The manual "Securing Debian" is a good read.
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203[01:30:09] <DMJC> Hi, My trackpad on my laptop is not working. It works on an Ubuntu live usb but not on my debian installation.
204[01:30:31] <DMJC> it appears to be deteted/enumerated, but acts as if it was disabled.
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207[01:30:58] <abff> is there a trackpad disable Fn-key combination, or maybe a special button?
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210[01:31:53] <DMJC> doesn't appear to be
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214[01:33:56] <Rusty1_> is xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed?
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218[01:34:45] <abff> if you run 'xinput --list' does your touchpad get listed?
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223[01:36:23] <random34191> linux kernel version 3.19.8 broke most of the drivers i need
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226[01:37:26] <petn-randall> random34191: How is that related to Debian?
227[01:37:28] <yukip> trying to add an application's menu to my openbox menu. I have "<file>/var/lib/openbox/debian-menu.xml</file>" in menu.xml but it displays nothing
228[01:37:59] <random34191> i run debian 8, the kernel seems quite old
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230[01:38:42] <petn-randall> random34191: Everything *since* that version is broken?
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234[01:39:12] <random34191> NIC, BT and audio
235[01:39:14] <random34191> at least
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238[01:39:47] <petn-randall> random34191: Have you tried using the kernels supplied by Debian?
239[01:39:49] <DMJC> abff yes it's listed
240[01:39:57] <random34191> yes
241[01:40:02] <DMJC> I have both libinput and the synaptics driver installed
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243[01:40:28] <random34191> it looks like acpi is causing issues at least for the nic
244[01:40:36] <abff> DMJC: locate synaptics | grep xorg
245[01:40:56] <random34191> i think BT was broken with default kernel
246[01:41:00] <DMJC> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
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249[01:41:15] <abff> that's it?
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252[01:41:33] <abff> there should be a bunch lying around in /usr/share
253[01:42:00] <random34191> also, XEN wont compile
254[01:42:03] <Rusty1_> random34191: is your bt chipset known to be supported in linux ?
255[01:42:08] <random34191> i tried 4.1, 4.2 and unstable
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258[01:42:40] <random34191> Rusty1_, im reading that i got broken at 3.14 but is working again in 4.x
259[01:43:05] <random34191> should i upgrade debian to 9 or is it ok to just upgrade the kernel to 4.x?
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261[01:43:33] <DMJC> there are more in /usr/share
262[01:43:47] <petn-randall> random34191: I recommend just trying the kernel in jessie-backports.
263[01:43:59] <random34191> ok ill try that
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265[01:44:01] <abff> DMJC: sending you a query so I don't flood the channel
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267[01:45:29] <random34191> i read that debian 8 is stable but it seems quite old
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269[01:45:51] <random34191> is it ok to use debian 9 or will i need to fix alot of things?
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273[01:47:38] <petn-randall> random34191: Look at the release notes and the list of remaining RC bugs, and make your decision.
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286[01:55:19] <random34191> great, now my system stalls during boottime
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309[02:13:39] <ZtolenClothez> I can't usb redirect an iphone in qemu-kvm guest windows. It says it's in use. How to fix this?
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330[02:28:12] <DMJC> I've located my problem :)
331[02:28:40] <abff> Awesome! What was it?
332[02:28:41] <DMJC> the mouse is a USB Subinterface device. 1532:0205, lsusb only lists 1532:0202.
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334[02:29:02] <DMJC> under ubuntu xinput list shows a device with ID 06CB:5F41
335[02:29:25] <DMJC> which is a cursor device and cat /dev/input/event18 showed output when I moved my finger on the trackpad.
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337[02:29:58] <DMJC> so I need to find out why Debian can't load the device. I also found which driver was controlling the device. HID-RMI
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402[03:21:16] <GreeningGalaxy> I just installed Testing using the RC2 installer. If I go into sources.list and change "stretch" to "testing," will anything bad happen when Stretch becomes the new stable?
403[03:21:59] <somiaj> testing can be a wild ride after the release. A flood of new packages will come in, this can cause breaks, and then shortly after major transitions that have been on hold through the freeze start happening as well.
404[03:22:01] <gentzy> You'll always stay on testing
405[03:22:24] <somiaj> But if you are up for that, what happens is after the release you will now point at the new testing (the link changes) and no longer be running stretch
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407[03:22:31] <GreeningGalaxy> gotcha
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411[03:23:14] <GreeningGalaxy> I mostly just want to stay mostly up-to-date on Plasma 5, I can't get Neon because I'm on a 32-bit machine, and I got tired of Manjaro and have always liked Debian.
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420[03:30:07] <random34191> ok i upgraded to stretch from a usb install disk
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422[03:30:34] <random34191> now my NICs seem to work correctly
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426[03:31:38] <somiaj> a backported kernel in jessie would have worked too, but stretch if frozen and in good shape for a desktop (if you are weary of its limited security support)
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428[03:32:32] <ryouma> somiaj: itym wary?
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430[03:34:02] <ryouma> (not correcting you, but making certain for people who might be confused, which might, but probably does not this time include myself)
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435[03:35:31] <somiaj> thanks, could have picked a better word there.
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450[03:42:58] <random34191> somiaj, i tried the backport kernel but it would stall during boot
451[03:43:24] <random34191> white _ cursor top left of the blank black screen eternally
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454[03:43:48] <random34191> now NICs and hdmi audio output work
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456[03:44:15] <random34191> i cant detect my headphones in bluetooth but i think a package failed to install
457[03:44:19] <random34191> oh blueman
458[03:44:21] <random34191> ...
459[03:44:22] <random34191> brb
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464[03:46:36] <random34191> i have issues with blueman
465[03:47:25] <Hello71> !doesntwork
466[03:47:32] <Hello71> :/
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468[03:48:57] <gry> random34191: pastebin the package install error please
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470[03:49:15] <random34191> i reinstalled with synaptics instead of apt-get
471[03:49:18] <random34191> now it works
472[03:49:50] <random34191> hmm, there is no ad2p support?
473[03:49:53] <random34191> bummer
474[03:50:05] <random34191> no audio over BT
475[03:50:14] <random34191> maybe i need to install extra packages
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478[03:52:57] <Hijiri> I'm having some issues when resuming from suspend
479[03:52:59] <Hijiri> The computer shuts off before I see anything on the monitor
480[03:53:01] <Hijiri> I suspect it might be power or heat related since I also crashed when I tried to run a CPU-intensive program
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482[03:53:32] <gentzy> Is it a desktop
483[03:53:35] <gentzy> ?
484[03:53:35] <Hijiri> yeah
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486[03:53:49] <gentzy> Have you added any new parts to it?
487[03:53:53] <Hijiri> nope
488[03:54:10] <gentzy> Can it boot from a usb?
489[03:54:27] <Hijiri> It boots normally
490[03:54:42] <Hijiri> it just crashes when I resume from suspend
491[03:55:00] <random34191> gry, i lost track of the message but it was something like "apt had more to do than the package reported back"
492[03:55:07] <random34191> 0 v 4
493[03:55:21] <gentzy> Ah sorry, didn't read that
494[03:55:48] <gentzy> Do you suspend multiple oses
495[03:55:56] <random34191> Hijiri, look for acpi errors
496[03:56:02] <Hijiri> random34191: alright
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498[03:56:09] <Hijiri> gentzy: no
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500[03:57:06] <Hijiri> random34191: I found some
501[03:57:12] <Hijiri> I'll put it on a paste site
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506[03:59:34] <Hijiri> random34191: replaced-url
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510[04:01:43] <Hijiri> I don't have any errors from immediately before the crash
511[04:02:11] <gentzy> do you have the latest BIOS from your pc manufaturer (or motherboard if self built)
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513[04:02:53] <Hijiri> I don't think I've ever updated the BIOS
514[04:02:59] <Hijiri> but I didn't have this issue before
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516[04:03:13] <gentzy> check on the manufacturer website
517[04:03:47] <random34191> Hijiri, first thing is the ACPI range conflict
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519[04:03:56] <random34191> second thing is this
520[04:03:59] <random34191> If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
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525[04:04:24] <random34191> acpi can but fragile
526[04:04:53] <Hijiri> What does the first one mean?
527[04:06:02] <random34191> i couldnt say exactly but it sure doesnt look good
528[04:07:23] <Hijiri> I'll try to update stuff
529[04:07:45] <gentzy> before you update the bios
530[04:07:53] <gentzy> try booting with acpi=off
531[04:07:56] <random34191> try to get the acpi enabled driver
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534[04:08:28] <random34191> wont that prevent him from going in suspend?
535[04:08:53] <gentzy> I dont think it would
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538[04:09:46] <gentzy> replaced-url
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590[04:47:41] <lucas-arg> hey all i cant install debian in my laptop running uefi trying to use debian-live and using dd if command to write iso to usb stick
591[04:47:48] <lucas-arg> is it compatible??
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593[04:48:17] <gentzy> ^ I could never get debian-live to work either
594[04:49:03] <zykotick9> lucas-arg: note, the debian-live does NOT support UEFI. you need netinst/cd1/dvd1.
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597[04:49:22] <gentzy> that explains it
598[04:49:23] <lucas-arg> good to know
599[04:49:28] <gentzy> The ubuntu installer can be used as a live os tho
600[04:49:38] <lucas-arg> im using ubuntu
601[04:49:42] <lucas-arg> just wanted to try debian
602[04:50:11] <gentzy> setup a 50g partition and install to that
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605[04:50:53] <lucas-arg> sadly netinstall wont detect my mouse nor my wireless card
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607[04:51:17] <gentzy> how 'bout the non-gui install
608[04:51:29] <gentzy> it detects your keyboard right?
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610[04:52:20] <lucas-arg> yeah
611[04:52:24] <zykotick9> !firmware image
612[04:52:24] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
613[04:52:25] <lucas-arg> how do i start that?
614[04:52:32] <zykotick9> lucas-arg: ^
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616[04:52:57] <zykotick9> lucas-arg: that _might_ depending on your wireless make a big difference.
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620[04:54:20] <zykotick9> lucas-arg: <sidenote> don't use the GUI install... ymmv?
621[04:55:45] <lucas-arg> if i want to download a cd
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623[04:55:57] <lucas-arg> i can just download cd1 to install the whole system'?
624[04:56:07] <lucas-arg> like wont need cd2...etc
625[04:56:15] <gentzy> I think so
626[04:56:30] <zykotick9> cd1 can install a "base" system. if you have network, then anything is installable.
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628[04:56:51] <zykotick9> s/anything/a lot of stuff/
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630[04:57:37] <zykotick9> lucas-arg: but DON'T download cd2/cd3/etc!
631[04:57:53] <lucas-arg> ill give cd1 a try in uefi firmware
632[04:57:56] <lucas-arg> and see how it does
633[04:58:40] <lucas-arg> i use libreoffice, pspp, rkward, sofa and rstudio hope they work ok in debian
634[04:59:04] <zykotick9> i can only personally confirm libreoffice... best of luck!
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657[05:09:00] <lucas-arg> wish me luck
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660[05:10:10] <rymax99> any way to make ftpfs show the accurate amount of space available on the ftp server in df
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667[05:13:02] <sleepster> is there a way to take a snapshot of your current packages so that if an upgrade breaks anything, you can revert back
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669[05:13:33] <sleepster> I am running sid and just worried that upgrading will break something
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672[05:15:47] <Rusty1_> sleepster: look into aptoncd , there may be other ways, clonezilla perhaps
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677[05:18:23] <zykotick9> sleepster: <sidenote> if you have those sorts of worries... _perhaps_ sid isn't right for you... just sayin'
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685[05:25:46] <n-iCe> hi
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689[05:29:37] <zykotick9> n-iCe: hey. if you have a debian question, you should ask it - all on one line, with details... (don't include my nick in reply)
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696[05:32:09] <n-iCe> zykotick9: I don't.
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698[05:32:25] <zykotick9> n-iCe: #debian-offtopic then ;)
699[05:32:31] <n-iCe> I did not talk.
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825[07:13:55] <xemdetia> I'm having trouble building the base-passwd package from source to do a light modification for my site. Do you have to build it as root?
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837[07:28:16] <bobsterman> Creating my first debian package with debhelper, is there a way to set where the program files are copied into?
838[07:29:11] <bobsterman> i.e. instead of /usr/share/<program> , install into /usr/share/<something>/<program>
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849[07:35:51] <xemdetia> Fixed my issue, don't debuild on sshfs!
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852[07:37:57] <n4dir> bobsterman: i sure don't know for sure. My guess would be the debian/rules file, with override_dh_auto_configure:; as described here replaced-url
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854[07:38:07] <n4dir> there is a channel which helps with it, but i forgot the name
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857[07:39:24] <n4dir> might be #packaging on the oftc server
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863[07:42:07] <bobsterman> n4dir: yea, have been digging around the rules file. I'm packing a Node application, so I dont think configure applies here?
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868[07:43:23] <n4dir> bobsterman: if someone would have said anything, i would have staid silent. I really don't know enough. Give the #packaging channel a try (or wait here, quite a few might know). Good luck
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872[07:46:06] <bobsterman> n4dir: thanks, I appreciate it, nice not speaking to the wind
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874[07:46:51] <n4dir> Yeah, it can happen. irc is a bit weird (or can be)
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894[07:57:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> xemdetia, what exactly happened when you did it via sshfs
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897[07:58:27] <RebelCoder> Debian 9 is super stable !
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901[07:59:06] <RebelCoder> Latest Kernels have a HiDPI 2 Screen setup resolution issue and one has to go back to 4.5 or lower to make it work
902[07:59:18] <RebelCoder> Other then that - just super smooth and stable
903[07:59:23] <xemdetia> CutMeOwnThroat: observed behaviour was install: cannot change ownership of ‘debian/base-passwd/usr/share/doc/base-passwd/copyright’: Permission denied
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905[07:59:40] <xemdetia> I moved it to a local directory and it worked fine
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928[08:11:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, it seems obvious you cannot change ownership via sshfs
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930[08:11:57] * adgjlqetuozcbm12 qpdneiql slaoajbetltjejdh
931[08:12:15] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> ukderfargtenhelsitwjsjwjdjhshaaj
932[08:12:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> not sure why that's needed during build… and not sure what tricks are use for the psuedo install for making the package
933[08:12:29] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> toqbdptnshrlrogjwnamfjebehslgtnaazzzlAkNdkkkswjjj9, $×*×*
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937[08:13:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> adgjlqetuozcbm12, if that's not on purpose… wake up
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939[08:13:17] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> imn0tg01ng2suxDac0x
940[08:13:20] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> dowjdnskfr
941[08:13:27] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> CutMeOwnThroat: dong dong dinger
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943[08:13:33] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> zoajqhwlrtnnxoaoejrjdadlflmns
944[08:13:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> !ops adgjlqetuozcbm12
945[08:13:37] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: cutmeownthroat complains about: adgjlqetuozcbm12
946[08:13:39] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> yothaBOTS
947[08:13:45] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> bots bots bots
948[08:13:58] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> !ops dpkg highlight-spamming
949[08:13:58] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: adgjlqetuozcbm12 complains about: dpkg highlight-spamming
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951[08:14:13] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> s
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953[08:14:59] <TimurTheLame> Is there a rational reason for why he/it is typing that? Some botnet thing?
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955[08:15:21] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> TimurTheLame: yes there is a reason
956[08:15:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
957[08:15:26] <adgjlqetuozcbm12> i am hacking all things
958[08:15:29] *** jelly sets mode: +q *!*@172.98.79.185
959[08:15:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o jelly
960[08:15:38] <abff> here comes the bots
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962[08:16:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> TimurTheLame, puberty. 'nuff said.
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978[08:28:11] <jelly> !qotd0
979[08:28:11] <dpkg> <Slayer_> i am at a screen with tyler@tyler-mac:~$ <Slayer_> i just rebooted <Slayer_> i need to get linux to actually come up
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1010[08:45:32] <BigBlackManOnPCP> S'up, y'all?
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1037[08:59:18] <OnceMe> why is there no man systectl?
1038[08:59:21] <OnceMe> systemctl*
1039[08:59:30] <obiwahn> hey guy what do i need to do to get my bash_profile sourced when using lightdm
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1041[08:59:38] <obiwahn> guys:)
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1047[09:01:11] <Wulf> obiwahn: what for?
1048[09:01:25] <Wulf> obiwahn: how's bash related to your greeter?
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1050[09:02:09] <obiwahn> i what paths sourced an i have that configuration in my profile
1051[09:02:13] <obiwahn> want
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1053[09:02:37] <obiwahn> somehow my profile is ignored when using a graphical login
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1055[09:03:25] <obiwahn> if i log into the system from a non X console everything is as expected.
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1066[09:07:50] <georgia> seeking advice: last time I tried upgrading to stretch, my grub dummy (stupid prop EFI is buggy) somehow broke and it wouldn't boot. I ended up zeroing my terabyte harddrive and reinstalling debian. I really, really want to upgrade. But I'm also fearing the same fate.
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1069[09:09:05] <georgia> are you using a display manager?
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1084[09:19:47] <st2> hello. i have faced with a strange issue due to using remote windows share. when i try to mount it by cifs (mount -t cifs -o user=login@outlook.com \\\\10.8.10.124\\Users\\username /mnt) everything works perfectly. but if i try to view shares of this host by smbclient (smbclient -L 10.8.10.124 -U login@outlook.com) i got NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE. i think that the main reason of problem is outlook account that using for windows authorization. i've record dump of author
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1128[09:53:51] <BigBlackManOnPCP> niggets
1129[09:53:55] <sep> this new mouse mode in vim in squeeze is so incredibly annoying. :/
1130[09:53:57] <BigBlackManOnPCP> *niggerz
1131[09:53:59] <BigBlackManOnPCP> i typo
1132[09:54:04] <BigBlackManOnPCP> but i meant to say niggers
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1136[09:54:25] <sep> need to print that fix and hang it on the wall. since i need it on each and every machine
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1145[10:00:56] <deego> Is it just me, or with the latest upgrades, you can't get to about:plugins in chrome?
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1147[10:01:23] <deego> that is, with the latest security fix from yesterday.
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1154[10:05:02] <deego> can anyone confirm that on their debian stable?
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1156[10:05:58] <cdb23ax> hello guys a question. i have dnsmasq as a dns server installed and i have 2 subnets 192.168.0.0/24 and 172.20.24.0/22
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1158[10:06:54] <cdb23ax> the dnsmasq service is running on 192.168.0.0 net but net 172.20.xxx cant access the web or the web is very very slow. i have 1 windows server 2008 r2 which added the dnsmasq server as forwarder
1159[10:07:09] <cdb23ax> note that the dnsmasq server only has 1 nic
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1161[10:08:17] <OerHeks> deego, that is for Firefox, about:plugins .. use chrome://plugins
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1163[10:09:41] <deego> OerHeks: yes, it directs to that. Does chrome://plugins load up for you in debian stable's chrome?
1164[10:09:44] <OerHeks> oh, since chrome 57 that is gone too
1165[10:09:48] <deego> "The webpage at chrome://plugins/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address."
1166[10:10:16] <OerHeks> deego, it is chrome://flags now
1167[10:10:50] <deego> OerHeks: i tried that. Can't seem to find a way to disable built-in pdf renderer
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1177[10:15:13] <deego> ah, i think i figured it out .. settings>advanced> content ... enable default pdf viewer.
1178[10:15:57] <OerHeks> deego, ah, you beat me to it, indeed
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1180[10:17:32] <Skyrider> Hi all
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1185[10:18:53] <deego> OerHeks: shortcut: chrome://settings/content
1186[10:19:19] <deego> that's a handful to type.. i wish i could create a link to that in my bookmarks, instead of typing it in.
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1189[10:20:43] <deego> ah, i can add a bookmark in chrome. But, no way to add it in an html bookmarks page.
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1196[10:25:34] <BigBlackManOnPCP> lol
1197[10:25:38] <BigBlackManOnPCP> niggers
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1209[10:32:44] <cdb23ax> how can i allow everyone to connect to my dnsmasq server?
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1211[10:32:53] <cdb23ax> at the moment its restricted to local clients
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1237[10:43:31] <Wulf> cdb23ax: did you rtfm?
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1241[10:44:59] <Wulf> cdb23ax: hint: -i
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1248[10:48:19] <John[Lisbeth]> Is there an actual iso of debian server like there's an iso for ubuntu server or is there only debian net install
1249[10:48:32] <John[Lisbeth]> The reason is I want to fork debian server
1250[10:49:14] <jelly> John[Lisbeth]: there is no separate installer image for server
1251[10:49:22] <petn-randall> John[Lisbeth]: There's only one installer where you tick some boxes to tell which software you want.
1252[10:49:56] <John[Lisbeth]> own iso?
1253[10:50:03] <jelly> or tick none of the boxes, and install whatever you need after base system is installed, explicitely
1254[10:50:35] <John[Lisbeth]> Sorry there is a problem with my mouse: Is there a way to get at the sources for debian server and build my own iso?
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1256[10:51:15] <jelly> !custom d-i
1257[10:51:16] <dpkg> To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see replaced-url
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1259[10:51:55] <jelly> John[Lisbeth]: what are you actually trying to achieve? Maybe you don't need a custom installer, just some configuration for it
1260[10:52:04] <jelly> !preseed
1261[10:52:04] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See replaced-url
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1265[10:53:49] <jelly> John[Lisbeth]: you can ask the bot about other stuff in private, eg. /msg dpkg install guide
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1286[11:01:37] <JyZyXEL> how do you remove Breaks: from a binary debian package?
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1289[11:01:58] <jelly> JyZyXEL: repack it, why?
1290[11:02:18] <jelly> !goal
1291[11:02:18] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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1296[11:03:38] <JyZyXEL> removing the Breaks: and then installing the deb
1297[11:03:57] <JyZyXEL> dpkg-deb -R looks like what i need
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1303[11:05:43] <placko> Hi, I am using mutt for reading emails, now I would like to read emails within emacs. Any recomendation which package to use? I have lot of emails saved in mbox format. I would like to be able to use those too [that means no maildir or some other format of storing emails]
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1308[11:08:03] <deego> Fucking new chrom in debin stable. It stops playing when you switch tabs. As a result, you have to sit through ads
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1315[11:12:07] <themill> JyZyXEL: Breaks aren't added for mere amusement value, btw.
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1327[11:16:02] <JyZyXEL> i kind of remember this particular Break being for some feature i don't even use
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1331[11:16:57] <JyZyXEL> i don't think there is a 'why' for Breaks though?
1332[11:17:17] <themill> Breaks aren't for features, they are there to permit upgrade paths to exist
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1334[11:18:05] <JyZyXEL> i remember the bug being something about LXC and i don't even use it
1335[11:18:57] <themill> You either need a Breaks or it is irrelevant
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1340[11:20:10] <jelly> "goal" usually isn't "installing the deb" but "doing X, with piece of software Y"
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1359[11:30:33] <realies> i wanna share 443 for httpd and openvpn, any good practices?
1360[11:30:51] <realies> i've seen it being possible with pfsense
1361[11:31:06] <realies> the only thing i can think of is to dedicate a subodmain and proxypass the traffic to openvpn via apache
1362[11:31:13] <realies> not sure if that's adequate
1363[11:31:34] <petn-randall> realies: The package 'sslh' could work for you.
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1365[11:32:35] <realies> petn-randall, thanks
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1385[11:40:29] <duser> I have problem when apply patch with git. Git complains "Patch does not have a valid e-mail address." Where should I configure to add email address? I've already had .gitconfig setup for my email.
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1403[11:50:20] <petn-randall> duser: Which exact command gives you this error?
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1407[11:51:19] <duser> git am --signoff < file.patch
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1409[11:51:59] <duser> petn-randall: 'git am --signoff < file.patch' returns that message.
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1414[11:52:59] <petn-randall> duser: I think 'git am' expects full mails with patches attached, not single patches. If you just want to patch, use 'patch'.
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1420[11:53:56] <duser> but 'patch < file.patch' complains "can't find file to patch at input line 5 Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option? The text leading up to this was:"
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1422[11:54:23] <duser> i double check the patch which has exactly the same path I have.
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1428[11:56:20] <petn-randall> duser: check the -p option in 'man patch', you might need to adjust the path with it.
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1432[11:58:34] <realies> petn-randall, i've managed to forward https, but when trying to connect via ssh it says ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
1433[11:58:50] <duser> petn-randall: the problem is i verify the path, and it should be correct. the path in patch is diff --git a/flume-ng-sinks/flume-hdfs-sink/src/main/java/org/apache/flume/sink/hdfs/BucketWriter.java b/flume-ng-sinks/flume-hdfs-sink/src/main/java/org/apache/flume/sink/hdfs/BucketWriter.java and I am at the top level of the source repos.
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1467[12:12:50] <petn-randall> duser: 'patch -p1 < file.patch' should work then.
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1484[12:20:18] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
1485[12:20:33] * abff waves
1486[12:20:37] <userro> hey
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1490[12:22:45] <BluesKaj> been away from Debian too long , nice to be back :-)
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1498[12:27:27] <twistero> realies: think I've seen someone doing that with haproxy
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1501[12:29:25] <twistero> realies: if using apache, proxypass probably won't work since openvpn doesn't speak HTTPS
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1505[12:30:16] <duser> petn-randall: it works. great thanks! it is because the beginning slash '/' required to be removed, no?
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1508[12:30:46] <duser> just notice there is a / there. i am stupid. : (
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1543[12:45:49] <OnceMe> systemctl enable supervisor should bring supervisor on startup right?
1544[12:46:06] <OnceMe> however, when I reboot, supervisor is indeed online, but workers are not.. not sure whats that about
1545[12:46:23] <OnceMe> but when I do systemctl stop supervisor and systemctl start supervisor, everything is fine.. any debug help?
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1561[12:49:43] <petn-randall> duser: Not quite. It is because it's looking for that file in "a/[...]", but that directory "a/" doesn't exist. That's why -p1 will cut off that part.
1562[12:49:45] <cef> Woo.. I have 3D video on my Kaby Lake machine now under jessie using backports & the bin files from intel (not sure if necessary, but it works)..
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1577[12:54:45] <OnceMe> systemctl fails
1578[12:54:53] <ShapeShifter499> hi
1579[12:55:01] <ShapeShifter499> is this a official debian site?
1580[12:55:02] <ShapeShifter499> d-i.debian.org
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1582[12:55:20] <OnceMe> is it possible to start service on reboot and then restart service afterwards
1583[12:56:11] <ShapeShifter499> what's the "d-i" stand for?
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1588[12:57:39] <petn-randall> OnceMe: Didn't you already ask yesterday? You need to look into the logs why whatever you're starting with supervisor isn't running.
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1591[12:58:10] <OnceMe> petn-randall: I didnt
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1593[12:58:22] <OnceMe> I asked why supervisor didnt start and I fixed that
1594[12:58:30] <OnceMe> petn-randall: logs are empty because no worker has been started
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1599[13:00:59] <jelly> ShapeShifter499: debian-installer, and yes everything under debian.org domain is supposed to be an official resource of some sort
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1603[13:02:04] <ShapeShifter499> jelly: alright cool, replaced-url
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1627[13:11:43] <seoner> What is the different between 2x8GB ram vs 4x4GB ram?
1628[13:12:07] <jelly> seoner: geometry. How is this related to debian/
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1631[13:12:55] <jelly> ##hardware will probably be a better place to ask about hw specs
1632[13:13:02] <seoner> jelly: I dont know. Is there any channel for this kind of questions?
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1634[13:13:08] <seoner> jelly: thank you
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1643[13:16:16] <OnceMe> what is difference between /usr/loca/bin/somebin and /bin/somebin ?
1644[13:16:19] <unborn> sooner the can you are asking is ##hardware
1645[13:16:43] <unborn> *chan
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1653[13:18:17] <jelly> OnceMe: /usr/local/bin (and /usr/local in general) is for custom locally build and made software; /bin is managed by the distro
1654[13:18:19] <sschmalz> OnceMe: /bin is available before /usr, so anything in /usr/local/bin or any other variant won't be seen
1655[13:18:58] <sschmalz> jelly probably knows better, his explanation is more accurate I think
1656[13:19:13] <nkuttler> sschmalz: that depends on your PATH
1657[13:19:18] <OnceMe> thanks
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1661[13:21:02] <sschmalz> nkuttler: I may or may not have pulled an answer from askubuntu
1662[13:21:43] <nkuttler> sschmalz: please don't copy & paste stuff from dubious resources in here
1663[13:22:01] <sschmalz> I didn't copy/paste, it was a summary of the answers
1664[13:22:29] <nkuttler> same applies to summaries
1665[13:22:36] <sschmalz> I just did the first thing that I always do for a linux question, which is Google it. And is AskUbuntu really considered dubious?
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1667[13:23:07] <nkuttler> sschmalz: considering that the very thing you pasted is incomplete/incorrect, yeah
1668[13:23:19] <nkuttler> s#pasted#summarized#
1669[13:23:56] <unborn> 0o
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1671[13:24:28] <nkuttler> fwiw, all those q&a sites have very questionable, outdated, and incorrect content
1672[13:24:52] <nkuttler> if you take information from there, always double check with the up to date, offical docs
1673[13:25:14] <unborn> nkuttler: official docs are out of date too.. most of them...
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1675[13:25:44] <sschmalz> honestly, I'm disappointed that official docs don't come up at all with a google search
1676[13:25:46] <nkuttler> unborn: not sure which crappy software you use that doesn't have docs
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1678[13:26:08] <unborn> nkuttler: well.. nonfree debian repos
1679[13:26:10] <nkuttler> sschmalz: yeah.. it's just how those q&a sites work, and the web in general
1680[13:26:16] <unborn> 0o
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1686[13:27:00] <unborn> and on other servers and desktops pure debian ones.. wth?
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1691[13:28:21] <sschmalz> are the official docs included anywhere locally in a debian installation, or do I have to find them online?
1692[13:28:35] <unborn> sschmalz: don't be. you tried explain in your best way.. debian site have no Q&A site.. its only here in irc..
1693[13:28:52] <nkuttler> sschmalz: start in /usr/share/doc/<package>, some packages have <package>-doc packages
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1697[13:29:45] <sschmalz> nkuttler: that gives great docs for packages, has nothing about FHS
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1702[13:30:33] <sschmalz> and man *command* is probably one of my most-used terminal commands
1703[13:30:47] <nkuttler> sschmalz: see debian-policy for the fhs
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1712[13:33:26] <sschmalz> is that supposed to be in its own folder, or in a sub-directory? there's no debian-policy in /usr/share/doc, and none of the debian* directories have a debian-policy
1713[13:33:35] <unborn> crappy software.. well I am disappointed as well
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1715[13:33:47] <nkuttler> sschmalz: it's a package
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1718[13:34:24] <sschmalz> why isn't it installed by default? I feel like that would be important
1719[13:34:34] <themill> it's not important at all
1720[13:34:51] <nkuttler> most people don't care about it. the people who probably don't want it on every machine
1721[13:34:56] <nkuttler> who do
1722[13:35:19] <sschmalz> so you just told me to check a resource that I don't have by default?
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1725[13:35:27] <nkuttler> sschmalz: the horror
1726[13:35:31] <themill> !installit
1727[13:35:31] <dpkg> Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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1731[13:36:10] <themill> "Where can I find the documentation" "in package foo" "zomg it's not installed I can't possibly look at that" ….
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1734[13:36:49] <sschmalz> it's more of a "I want to look something up", "use this resource", "why isn't this standard"
1735[13:36:57] <sschmalz> like, I can install stuff fine
1736[13:37:04] <sschmalz> but if I don't know something is supposed to exist at all
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1738[13:37:08] <themill> problem solved
1739[13:37:09] <sschmalz> then how can I look it up
1740[13:37:21] <themill> apt-cache search
1741[13:37:42] <jelly> probably easier for most to click thru debian-policy on the web than to point the browser at file://usr/share/doc/ ...?
1742[13:37:52] <sschmalz> never expected that I'd have to install the package for that, most default stuff is already documented
1743[13:37:53] <nkuttler> sschmalz: you can ask in this channel and the friendly people will tell you which fm to read
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1745[13:37:56] <MaxFrames> hello
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1748[13:38:18] <MaxFrames> how can I make sure if a debian virtual machine has the hyper-v linux integration services already onboard?
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1751[13:38:26] <MaxFrames> it's debian wheezy 7.11
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1759[13:40:00] <jelly> MaxFrames: look for processes starting with hv_ in the name, like
1760[13:40:15] <jelly> [13:39] ~ => ps -fe |grep /hv_ filist
1761[13:40:16] <jelly> root 4407 1 0 2016 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/hv_vss_daemon
1762[13:40:16] <jelly> root 4417 1 0 2016 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/hv_kvp_daemon
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1765[13:40:55] <MaxFrames> mm, looks like they are not. the command returns nothing
1766[13:40:58] <jelly> these may or may not be properly packaged, don't remember what was the state for wheezy
1767[13:41:21] <jelly> ,v hyperv-daemons
1768[13:41:22] <judd> Package: hyperv-daemons on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.16.7-ckt20-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 3.16.7-ckt20-1; jessie-backports: 4.9.13-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9.13-1; sid: 4.9.13-1; experimental: 4.10-1~exp1
1769[13:41:28] <MaxFrames> according to MS docs, 7.11 should be supported by hyperv 2008 r2 (which I am using)
1770[13:41:32] <jelly> ^^ those are not really complete
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1772[13:41:49] <MaxFrames> should I upgrade the guest?
1773[13:42:28] <MaxFrames> the problem I am having is that quick and live migration of this guest are not working in the cluster (I think it's related to the guest because all the other - windows - guests migrate just fine)
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1775[13:42:38] <jelly> MaxFrames: you should probably read hyper-v docs on how to install the necessary client extensions on debian
1776[13:42:52] <MaxFrames> I am struggling to find them. will keep searching
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1779[13:43:45] <MaxFrames> is this a good starting point? replaced-url
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1782[13:44:55] <jelly> MaxFrames: that looks very outdated
1783[13:45:09] <MaxFrames> indeed. for example I do not have the problem with network managere
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1786[13:45:32] <jelly> mantions of debian 4 and 5 ("etch", "lenny") are not a good sign
1787[13:45:37] <unborn> ...mentioned couple of times today... :)
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1793[13:46:18] <MaxFrames> replaced-url
1794[13:46:28] <MaxFrames> ^^ from here I gather 7.11 should be supported
1795[13:46:41] <jelly> MaxFrames: I guess you can blindly try installing hyperv-daemons package from wheezy-backports and see if that changes anything
1796[13:47:10] <jelly> !wheezy-backports
1797[13:47:10] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 8 "Jessie" release but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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1799[13:48:08] <jelly> but I know it's missing about half the stuff from the official extensions, and last time I looked at those MS only had .rpm package available
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1802[13:49:06] <MaxFrames> replaced-url
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1804[13:49:40] <MaxFrames> ^^ can you tell me what this implies? the part about "debian wheezy was compiled with the hyper-v drivers"
1805[13:50:09] <MaxFrames> I have entered that modinfo command and the output is identical to the article's
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1807[13:50:24] <MaxFrames> does it mean I already have the integration services onboard?
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1818[13:53:05] <sypher> MaxFrames: Catching up, are you using the kernel from wheezy-backports?
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1820[13:53:32] <MaxFrames> first of all, sorry in advance: I'm a disaster at linux, I almost only deal with Windows
1821[13:53:49] <MaxFrames> can you guide me step by step to verify this?
1822[13:53:58] <jelly> MaxFrames: what does "uname -a" say
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1825[13:54:22] <jelly> (iotw "what's the running kernel version")
1826[13:54:42] <MaxFrames> Linux bo-snm01 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.84-1 i686 GNU/Linux
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1828[13:54:53] <jelly> okay, that's the normal wheezy kernel 3.2
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1830[13:55:24] <jelly> it has the necessary drivers, but there are no additional userspace services running, you need to install those
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1832[13:55:43] <MaxFrames> ok
1833[13:55:43] <sypher> MaxFrames: It is highly recommended to install the backport kernel for wheezy for Hyper-V.
1834[13:56:01] <MaxFrames> backport meaning?
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1836[13:56:34] <sypher> As in from the wheezy-backports repository. Also, the hyperv-daemons package is only in the backport repo for wheezy.
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1840[13:57:02] <jelly> !backports
1841[13:57:02] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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1845[13:57:23] <sypher> Which, incidentally, also requires the backport kernel.
1846[13:57:34] <MaxFrames> first of all: doesn't it make sense to upgrade from wheezy to jessie at this point?
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1848[13:58:14] <sypher> MaxFrames: You're the server owner, that's up to you. Hyper-V capability does exist in wheezy, and it's not difficult to configure.
1849[13:58:21] <jelly> MaxFrames: maybe, but that's a whole different project and we don't know if it will make any difference for you live migration issue
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1852[13:58:38] <MaxFrames> ok so let's concentrate on "fixing" wheezy
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1854[13:58:43] <jelly> MaxFrames: maybe it makes sense to upgrade to w2016 server, too?
1855[13:58:55] <jelly> who knows!
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1858[13:59:20] <MaxFrames> in due course, sure
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1862[14:00:07] <MaxFrames> so, first of all I should install the backport kernel. how would I go about this?
1863[14:00:15] <sypher> MaxFrames:Per the documentation provided by dpkg above, you need to add a source line to /etc/apt/sources.list.
1864[14:00:45] <jelly> MaxFrames: you have a number of separate things to try. Install just userspace services from package. Reboot. Try your migration thing. If it fails, try also installing and booting into the backported kernel.
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1867[14:01:16] <sypher> The userspace services are ONLY in wheezy-backports, and they require the backport kernel.
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1869[14:02:02] <jelly> I can't confirm or deny that because my h-v stuff is already on 3.16 for other reasons
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1872[14:02:53] <jelly> but it makes sense looking at their suspiciously-kernel-like version numbers
1873[14:03:01] <sypher> Yup.
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1875[14:03:36] <sypher> The Hyper-V docs on TechNet also specifically state that the wheezy backport kernel is required.
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1877[14:03:54] <sypher> MaxFrames: As was stated previously, please go to replaced-url
1878[14:04:15] <MaxFrames> I will try
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1880[14:05:11] <jelly> and then
1881[14:05:13] <jelly> !bdo kernel
1882[14:05:14] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
1883[14:05:20] <jelly> um.
1884[14:05:33] <jelly> except not "jessie" but "wheezy"
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1898[14:08:04] <MaxFrames> based on the uname -a output I pasted earlier, I'm on 32 bits right? not amd64
1899[14:08:49] <sypher> Correct.
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1901[14:09:10] <bezaban> for 64bit it would be x86_64
1902[14:09:20] <bezaban> also in the kernel
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1905[14:09:36] <MaxFrames> so after adding the line to sources.list and apt-get update, the command to install the new kernel with apt-get (which I am more familiar with) would be:
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1909[14:10:11] <MaxFrames> sudo apt-get -t wheezie-backports install linux-image-???
1910[14:10:22] <sypher> MaxFrames: wheezy, not wheezie.
1911[14:10:30] <MaxFrames> sorry
1912[14:10:37] <sypher> MaxFrames: And aptitude works just as well.
1913[14:11:04] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: You can just copy/paste that line from dpkg. I'm assuming "???" being "amd64" if that is your architecture.
1914[14:11:07] <vlt> Hello. Does Debian's standard kernel boot on non-pae CPUs or is there an alternative variant available in the repos?
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1917[14:11:25] <MaxFrames> it's x86 so what do I replace "amd64" with in the command?
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1919[14:11:30] <MaxFrames> i686?
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1921[14:11:52] <sypher> MaxFrames: The command that dpkg gave you previously is a copy-and-paste.
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1923[14:12:23] <sypher> MaxFrames: It doesn't say a word about architecture. Just execute that command verbatim.
1924[14:12:33] <petn-randall> vlt: Yes, for intel 32 bit. There's a separate -pae kernel.
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1928[14:13:21] <MaxFrames> sypher: except I replace with "wheezy" right?
1929[14:13:27] <sypher> MaxFrames: Yes.
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1931[14:13:35] <MaxFrames> hence
1932[14:13:44] <MaxFrames> aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
1933[14:13:56] <MaxFrames> a bit intimidating :P
1934[14:14:12] <sypher> MaxFrames: And yet effective.
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1938[14:15:58] <MaxFrames> last question: will installing this kernel interfere with any service I am running on the machine? namely openvpn, isc-dhcp and arpwatch
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1943[14:17:45] <jelly> MaxFrames: it should not, but sometimes regressions happen
1944[14:17:48] <sypher> MaxFrames: In that you'll have to reboot the system, definitely. Will it break anything? There's always a possibility of that.
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1946[14:18:37] <jelly> MaxFrames: in particular some sysctl tuneup variables may change their name or disappear completely
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1948[14:19:15] <jelly> (if you changed anything in /etc/sysctl.conf or /etc/sysctl.d/*.conf to make things work)
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1954[14:22:05] <MaxFrames> after I've rebooted to the new kernel I will have to install the userspace packages. how is that accomplished?
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1958[14:24:08] <sypher> MaxFrames: Similar to installing the kernel. Install hyperv-daemons from backports.
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1967[14:27:18] <vlt> petn-randall: Thank you.
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1971[14:27:35] <vlt> The CPU in question is a "Transmeta(tm) Crusoe(tm) Processor TM5800": replaced-url
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1981[14:31:01] <MaxFrames> sypher: so just "sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install hyperv-daemons"?
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1990[14:33:54] <jelly> MaxFrames: yes
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1992[14:34:10] <MaxFrames> anyway hyperv-daemons are currently not installed and based on what I am reading this may very well be the cause of my issue, live migration is not supposed to work without them
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1994[14:34:41] <MaxFrames> so maybe I should first of all try to install them, before even switching to the backports kernel
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1996[14:35:04] <sypher> MaxFrames: Both are required to function, the kernel and hyperv-daemons. Install both, and reboot.
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1998[14:35:09] <MaxFrames> I see
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2004[14:36:02] <MaxFrames> is it normal that the aptitude command you gave me lists a crapload of packages to be removed? and only a few to be installed?
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2007[14:36:43] <sypher> I'd want to see a pastebin of that.
2008[14:36:57] <MaxFrames> sure hang on
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2013[14:38:18] <MaxFrames> whoah
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2017[14:38:42] <MaxFrames> I entered the same command again (from cache) and this time I do not have the long list of to be removed
2018[14:38:55] <sypher> You DID do an 'apt-get update' first, right?
2019[14:39:01] <MaxFrames> yes
2020[14:39:07] <MaxFrames> I did it again just to be sure
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2022[14:40:25] <MaxFrames> I assume it's normal to _not_ see a long list of removed packages right?
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2024[14:41:18] <sypher> Just for paranoia, can you still show me the proposed installation solution?
2025[14:41:30] <MaxFrames> yep
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2027[14:41:51] <MaxFrames> my system is localized in italian though
2028[14:41:55] <MaxFrames> hope it's not a problem
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2030[14:42:20] <MaxFrames> replaced-url
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2033[14:42:50] <MaxFrames> it does say "181 not updated packages" (outdated)?
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2038[14:44:27] <MaxFrames> I will have to resume tomorrow unfortunately
2039[14:44:50] <MaxFrames> if you just could confirm if what I am seeing is normal and it's relatively safe to proceed with the kernel update
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2043[14:45:59] <petn-randall> vlt: I don't know about that specific CPU, but it needs to be at least i586 compatible to run Debian.
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2045[14:46:48] <HackerLOL> chanserv
2046[14:46:49] <vlt> petn-randall: It runs this kernel just fine currently: "3.2.0-105-generic #146-Ubuntu"
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2049[14:48:02] <MaxFrames> sypher: do you think I'm good to go?
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2052[14:49:04] <vlt> But it refuses to boot a "4.4.0-66-generic #87-Ubuntu", so I thought I might switch to Debian.
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2059[14:49:53] <sypher> MaxFrames: My first question is why that system is so out of date.
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2061[14:50:28] <sypher> MaxFrames: I'd probably recommend updating your system prior to switching kernels.
2062[14:50:33] <MaxFrames> no particular reason, that is why I asked if upgrading it would be better
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2067[14:50:58] <MaxFrames> it's a vm and I have a complete backup, so I might as well upgrade to a more recent debian
2068[14:50:58] <jelly> vlt: don't switch distros just because you've stumbled onto an issue. Work with experts for your distro to fix or work around the issue, and learn something about it
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2073[14:51:29] <MaxFrames> so now I am confused...
2074[14:51:47] <MaxFrames> honestly the non working live migration is the only issue I am having
2075[14:51:51] <MaxFrames> per se the vm works wekk
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2077[14:51:53] <MaxFrames> well
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2080[14:52:11] <HackerLOL> Stupid noob
2081[14:52:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
2082[14:52:19] *** jelly sets mode: +q *!931e6b5d@gateway/*
2083[14:52:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o jelly
2084[14:52:29] <MaxFrames> here comes the bully
2085[14:52:36] <MaxFrames> go ahead big man.... make my day
2086[14:52:42] <jelly> MaxFrames: ignore the trolls.
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2088[14:52:51] <MaxFrames> wilco
2089[14:53:00] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: Please don't feed the trolls. He's been silenced so we can get some work done here. :)
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2091[14:53:08] <jelly> MaxFrames: and yeah that message is par the course for an unpatched system
2092[14:53:11] <jelly> also,
2093[14:53:15] <jelly> !localized errors
2094[14:53:15] <dpkg> Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
2095[14:53:22] <jelly> ^^ for next time
2096[14:53:25] <MaxFrames> ok
2097[14:53:44] <MaxFrames> I'm really sorry I have to rush away now (late to pickup daughter)
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2100[14:53:56] <MaxFrames> I have a backlog of the chan so I will study and come back tomorrow
2101[14:54:04] <jelly> your kid is more important than live migration
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2103[14:54:10] <jelly> PROBABLY
2104[14:54:11] <petn-randall> hehe
2105[14:54:12] <MaxFrames> hopefully some of you guys will be around in case I still have issues
2106[14:54:21] <MaxFrames> thanks a bunch
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2108[14:54:30] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: Good luck! Talk to you soon.
2109[14:54:34] <MaxFrames> cya
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2124[14:57:43] <OwnMan> Hi
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2126[14:58:15] <OwnMan> Somebody good with nginx? I'm getting crazy after 2h looking for solution
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2128[14:58:30] <petn-randall> !ask
2129[14:58:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2131[14:58:35] <OwnMan> replaced-url
2132[14:58:38] <OwnMan> This is conf
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2134[14:58:49] <OwnMan> petn-randall: I know :)
2135[14:58:59] <OwnMan> It was just opening
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2138[14:59:49] <jolt> OwnMan: What the question? Your basic auth not working?
2139[14:59:57] <OwnMan> jolt: Yes
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2141[15:00:53] <OwnMan> That issue and i guess that hove something with alias
2142[15:01:01] <OwnMan> That is*
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2144[15:01:25] <OwnMan> File permissions are fine
2145[15:01:45] <vlt> jelly: Why not? The issue I stumbled onto is that it doesn't even boot. I Debian does it's a win :-)
2146[15:01:56] <jolt> OwnMan: And what is the issues? Don't you get a prompt? Or isn't the page blocked?
2147[15:02:12] <OwnMan> No promt, i get page
2148[15:02:41] <OwnMan> prompt*
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2152[15:03:02] <petn-randall> vlt: Because every distro comes with a set of currently open bugs, so if you switch to Debian you might have another set of bugs that annoy you.
2153[15:03:13] <jelly> vlt: debian will have bugs at some point as well
2154[15:03:25] <OwnMan> And i open prive window to be sure that i don't have something with browser caching
2155[15:03:32] <petn-randall> vlt: It's as if you're buying a new car because the ashtray needs cleaning.
2156[15:03:42] <jelly> or the tail light broke
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2160[15:04:29] <vlt> petn-randall: But the car doesn't even start (or open its doors).
2161[15:04:32] <petn-randall> or you have jelly on your steering wheel
2162[15:04:43] <jelly> ew
2163[15:05:17] <petn-randall> vlt: But you'd probably still try to fix it? It might just be a rusty cable on the ignition.
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2169[15:06:47] <vlt> petn-randall: I don't feel qualified enough to try to touch the car's internals (= kernel source code) so I'd rather use one that works.
2170[15:07:38] <petn-randall> vlt: You'd still bring it to a mechanic though, wouldn't you?
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2172[15:08:01] * vlt ahs never done that
2173[15:08:04] <vlt> *has
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2175[15:09:01] <vlt> petn-randall: If I got a car where the doors don't open I would not buy it -- I'd look for another one.
2176[15:09:06] <petn-randall> vlt: I won't stop you from switching distros, sometimes it makes sense to also see how other distros do things. But just be prepared that a different distro might do things a lot differently than your previous one.
2177[15:10:02] <petn-randall> vlt: I'm saying that because I've talked to a few "distro-hoppers", and their satisfaction with their current distro was always low because they didn't have the time/patience to learn what their new distro did differently.
2178[15:10:43] <vlt> petn-randall: I understand. But in this case Ubuntu's 4.4.0 kernel is a car that I won't buy because it doesn't run. I'll have to look for another one.
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2182[15:11:40] <petn-randall> vlt: Have you asked in #ubuntu for support yet?
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2184[15:11:48] <vlt> Yes.
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2186[15:12:01] <BluesKaj> yes like fedora should be consideed for a Home Theater pc due to it's poor media application support
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2191[15:12:12] <vlt> They told me I need a different passenger.
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2193[15:12:20] <BluesKaj> oops, should not ber considered
2194[15:12:23] <vlt> Or driver.
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2198[15:14:01] <vlt> The most hilarious advice was: Add "pae" to /proc/cpuinfo while running on a kernel that works. That will trick the kernel you try to boot next.
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2207[15:17:27] <BluesKaj> vit that sounds like advice for pae in windows , but for cpu, that make no sense to me
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2209[15:18:10] <Vitaliy_> hi
2210[15:18:15] <BluesKaj> makes even
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2212[15:18:26] <Vitaliy_> how to install php5-tidy
2213[15:18:26] <Vitaliy_> E: Unable to locate package php5-tidy
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2217[15:18:53] <Wulf> Vitaliy_: apt-cache search 'php.*tidy'
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2223[15:19:23] <Vitaliy_> php-horde-text-filter-csstidy - Horde Text Filter API php5-tidy - tidy module for php5 universalindentgui - GUI frontend for several code beautifiers
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2233[15:22:16] <Vitaliy_> Wulf: apt-cache search 'php.*tidy' php-horde-text-filter-csstidy - Horde Text Filter API php5-tidy - tidy module for php5 universalindentgui - GUI frontend for several code beautifiers
2234[15:22:33] <Wulf> Vitaliy_: lsb_release -a
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2237[15:23:25] <Vitaliy_> Wulf: No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.7 (jessie) Release: 8.7 Codename: jessie
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2241[15:23:55] * wreck_boo says hi
2242[15:24:01] <Wulf> Vitaliy_: apt-get update
2243[15:24:08] <Wulf> Vitaliy_: and triple check your sources.list
2244[15:24:28] <wreck_boo> how do i check whick debian distro am using jessie or sid or the others
2245[15:24:47] <jelly> !debian suite
2246[15:24:48] <Vitaliy_> Wulf: Ign replaced-url
2247[15:24:48] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
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2250[15:26:23] <Wulf> Vitaliy_: put your /etc/apt/sources.list on replaced-url
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2253[15:27:55] <Vitaliy_> Wulf: replaced-url
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2258[15:28:44] <wreck_boo> thanks
2259[15:28:48] <wreck_boo> thanks
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2261[15:29:11] <wreck_boo> what is the website to configure apt in sources.list
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2265[15:29:20] <Vitaliy_> Wulf: replaced-url
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2269[15:31:24] <Wulf> Vitaliy_: okay, no idea how you managed to break your system :)
2270[15:31:46] <nwe> hmmm how can I fix so reprepro can auto sign my package?
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2273[15:31:57] <n4dir> wreck_boo: replaced-url
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2279[15:34:48] <jolt> OwnMan: Sorry, got interuped. If you remove the location override, is your content in /something then displayed properly?
2280[15:35:14] <OwnMan> jolt: it's ok
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2282[15:35:35] <OwnMan> I just removed / in the end it's working now
2283[15:35:36] <jolt> OwnMan: Does your htpasswd file contain user:<password hash>? (I would also suggest keeping it outside of the webroot just to be sure)
2284[15:35:51] <kjhgdi> Hi,I want to use qemu to connect to the network on my android x86 VM,but none of the netcard in QEMU works in the android-x86 virtual machine.Does anyone know what should I do?
2285[15:35:52] <jolt> ok, goodie
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2289[15:36:49] <OwnMan> i trust normaly only to curl, but sometime, you think browser is good enough
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2291[15:37:42] <OwnMan> I was wrong in this case, and I did lose time for nothing
2292[15:37:57] <OwnMan> Butm guess, that is IT :)
2293[15:38:12] <OwnMan> jolt: Thanks anyway
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2320[15:53:15] <jer0me> I have this weird bug sometimes on resuming after suspend to ram, when trying to launch an x app will produce "no protocol specified\nCannot open display" and sudo would " unable to resolve host MYHOSTNAME-001". I guess this is somehow related, but I can't find the first clue to begin with.
2321[15:53:20] <jer0me> any idea ?
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2343[16:00:49] <Habitual> jer0me: /etc/hosts shows what?
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2346[16:01:24] <Habitual> 127.0.0.2 MYHOSTNAME-001 or append MYHOSTNAME-001 to localhost line.
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2348[16:01:31] <smhar> greetings
2349[16:01:50] <smhar> using vbox, I have installed a debian client on a debian host. I had set the network to be bridged, but in the client, I am getting a different ip range
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2355[16:03:02] <jer0me> Habitual: actually /etc/hosts shows marvin and /etc/hostname marvin-001
2356[16:03:15] <jer0me> no sorry
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2358[16:03:24] <Habitual> jer0me: same anwwer. :D
2359[16:03:36] <jer0me> /etc/hostname is marvin too, as hosts, but the hostname command returns marvin-001
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2362[16:03:56] <jelly> !hostname
2363[16:03:56] <dpkg> Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. replaced-url
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2365[16:04:07] <Habitual> /etc/hosts is "poor man's dns".
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2367[16:04:30] <dannysantos> Hi! I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to run a script of mine from /etc/rc.local. Here is the script code replaced-url
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2373[16:05:24] <jer0me> I know that, I just don't know why the command `hostname` returns a value that is neither /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname. And why the problem occurs only after suspend/resume, sometimes
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2382[16:07:32] <Habitual> ack! misnamed mah host. Now I blame jer0me.
2383[16:07:37] <vlt> jelly, petn-randall: I debootstrapped Debian 8. Its kernel boots on that machine. Everything works perfectly fine. Done. Thank you!
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2396[16:13:17] <petn-randall> vlt: Glad it worked out for you. Have fun!
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2415[16:24:06] <armin> hi, does debian enable address space layout randomization by default?
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2433[16:32:05] <cerealkill3r> Hello, I think I got a corrupt filesystem on my old machine, I only want to transfer all my data from that machine to another one, would plugging in a live usb work for that?
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2440[16:34:06] <MRi_> pong
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2474[16:47:33] <smhar> is it possible to use a standard debian driver with brother DCP T300 printer? I don't feel downloading and installing a closed deb file from their site is a good idea
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2484[16:51:53] <smhar> ok.. networking is finally working
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2511[17:03:22] <gnudo> Happy GNUvidad!
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2520[17:05:45] <petn-randall> smhar: Brother unfortunately has a bad rep of providing FOSS drivers for their printers, you might get away with tar'ing a .ppd out of that package and providing that during installation with cups.
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2524[17:06:49] <smhar> petn-randall, I will try that.. thanks, I personally like HP as I never had a problem with debian running them
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2527[17:08:58] <gnudo> Happy GNUvidad! Peace and blessings be upon our Patron Saint, St iGNUcius.
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2562[17:23:59] <gnudo> There are some people who celebrate GNUvidad on December 25th but it is more proper to celebrate it today March 16th
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2580[17:31:26] <gnudo> Dies natalis Sanctis iGNUci
2581[17:31:50] <OS-27770> I don't have any boxes to revert on my control panel?
2582[17:31:56] <OS-27770> except for the rdp
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2586[17:32:30] <petn-randall> gnudo: It might be better suited for #debian-offtopic.
2587[17:32:36] <petn-randall> OS-27720: Which OS are you running?
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2589[17:33:04] <topi`> does anyone remember what was the name of that project from GNOME folks that aimed to offer snappy-like system updates to debian and other "traditional" linux systems? I mean, ability to rollback the previous setup right before an apt-get upgrade , etc.
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2591[17:33:30] <petn-randall> topi`: flatpak maybe? I didn't follow it too closely.
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2593[17:34:02] <topi`> flatpak is an alternative to that ubuntu snappy system where "apps" get installed in a container
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2595[17:34:32] <topi`> I mean a system that can divert the boot to "previous known good state", like booting the older zImage instead of the new one
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2610[17:38:12] <topi`> OK it was "libOStree" that I was looking for
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2613[17:38:27] <topi`> "atomic upgrades and rollback for the system"
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2620[17:39:29] <topi`> oh, yes, flatpak uses libostree
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2627[17:42:52] <rgr> I found this (bit old) and it doesn't work. How to transfer dpkg info to another machine so that it cane install the same package suite as my source machine?
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2662[17:53:34] <Nyle> rgr: yes
2663[17:53:38] <Nyle> !debian clone
2664[17:53:38] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
2665[17:54:13] <Nyle> rgr: you could look into ansible or puppet
2666[17:54:20] <Nyle> or another configuration management system.
2667[17:54:31] <rgr> I found apt-clone. seems to do the job., thanks.
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2806[18:45:11] <amcorreia> anyone get installed php5.4 on jessie? I'm trying with snapshot.debian.org, but no lucky..
2807[18:46:05] <sypher> amcorreia: Is there a reason why you're trying to install an EOL/unsupported version of PHP on jessie?
2808[18:46:18] <babilen> amcorreia: You might want to update your application or host it on wheezy until you sorted that out
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2814[18:48:00] <Meerkat> My debian 8 machine is annoying. The volume for surround is set to '0' and muted in ALSA mixer after every reboot. And I have to open the mixer and pull the lever up to get any audio. This started happening about a week ago. How can I fix this?
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2816[18:48:19] <amcorreia> sypher, babilen yes there is a reason... I'm migrating an old website (just plugins at least), and developers didn't have time to port new php version...
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2818[18:48:28] <amcorreia> so I need use old version until they update code
2819[18:48:58] <mtn> Meerkat: is alsa-tools (or alsa-utils, can't remember which one you need) installed?
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2822[18:49:25] <sypher> amcorreia: Are you sure you actually need the old version? Have you confirmed that the site does not function properly under a supported version?
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2825[18:50:07] <sypher> amcorreia: Otherwise, I second babilen's recommendation.
2826[18:50:12] <amcorreia> sypher, yes, site is already running in new server, with php 5.6... with errors in some plugins
2827[18:51:00] <Meerkat> alsa-utils is installed.
2828[18:51:24] <mtn> Meerkat: alsa-tools?
2829[18:51:30] <Meerkat> nope
2830[18:51:36] <mtn> Meerkat: install and test
2831[18:52:18] <Meerkat> how do I run it?
2832[18:52:19] <Tom01> What is a good cpu temperature monitor for Gnome?
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2834[18:52:34] <mtn> Meerkat: no need. install and reboot, see if sound remains the same
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2838[18:52:57] <mtn> Tom01: gkrellm works
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2841[18:53:48] <Tom01> mtn: thx, I will try it.
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2849[18:56:01] <julius_> hi
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2852[18:57:03] <julius_> how do you tell openvpn not to automatically start at boot? ive disabled it with sysv-rc-conf in all runlevels but it still comes up at boot
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2855[18:57:43] <mtn> julius_: systemctl disable?
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2866[19:01:03] <julius_> writes some lines, one of them is: Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install disable openvpn
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2869[19:01:12] <julius_> does this mean it is disabled now?
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2871[19:01:50] <mtn> julius_: looks like it. you can check the status using systemctl. man systemctl for details
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2878[19:03:41] <julius_> it throws a lot of "warnings" thats not good "default" output for any program
2879[19:03:58] <Meerkat> it's not fixed by rebooting. I did update the kernel on the 14th, but I feel like this issue has been around slightly longer. On the 10th I updated a bunch of packages. Can I revert them somehow? to see if that helps.
2880[19:04:27] <julius_> Meerkat, i asked that same question before...surprose: no
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2882[19:04:38] <julius_> of nobody knew how
2883[19:04:46] <julius_> but apt seems to be pretty stupid in nature
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2885[19:05:01] <Meerkat> bummer. Once the update is available it is also too late to download the old version as a backup. :/
2886[19:05:11] <julius_> Meerkat, of course the information you need is in apt.log
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2896[19:07:56] <mtn> Meerkat: you can try installing the old version of the app from the cache folder. it may work.
2897[19:07:56] <mtn> !downgrade
2898[19:07:57] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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2910[19:09:57] <Meerkat> Feels a bit too risky when I don't know if it's because of an update. I'll keep digging I suppose
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2914[19:10:48] <mtn> Meerkat: pulseaudio has some settings that may cause your issue, too. the arch wiki has good info on pulse problems
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2918[19:12:42] <jhutchins> Is there a way to get apt/aptitude/apt-get to install pattern-matched files? install "exaile*"?
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2922[19:13:17] <greycat> files? or package names that are not files?
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2925[19:13:51] <jhutchins> Sorry, packages not files.
2926[19:14:01] <jhutchins> brainfart
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2932[19:16:25] <zykotick9> jhutchins: on my test of "foo install firefox-esr*" it worked in apt-get and apt, but aptitude didn't like it and tried to intsall firefox-esr* but could find it
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2936[19:17:07] <zykotick9> s/could find it/couldn't find it/
2937[19:17:12] <greycat> You should quote any globs you use, so the shell doesn't try to expand them.
2938[19:17:18] <greycat> apt install 'firefox-esr*'
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2940[19:17:43] <jhutchins> apt worked.
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2943[19:18:07] <zykotick9> greycat: that's _certainly_ something i've read before... and somthing i _should_ get into the habbit of doing. thanks for the reminder.
2944[19:18:15] <jhutchins> Ok, same results as zykotick9. Thx.
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2964[19:28:01] <jhutchins> On this fresh 64b install, I kept loosing sound. Unmute didn't fix it. I found that PCM was getting muted somehow. Just worked it out: the "Mute" button on my keyboard mutes both Master and PCM, but does not UN-mute PCM. (XFCE)
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3033[19:56:33] <jhutchins> reset
3034[19:56:56] <jhutchins> scane-find-scanner works as root, xsane can't find the scanner.
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3036[19:57:06] <jhutchins> /dev/bus/usb/008/003
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3045[20:02:09] <zykotick9> jhutchins: to be honest, i've had several difficulties with scanners and permissions, so I wish you luck. One thing to verify/try is being in the "scanner" group.
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3055[20:05:56] <TechSmurf> Twice now I've set up vn2vn fcoe, and twice now when I attempt to use fcoemon to monitor and debug the connection fcoemon hangs and the entire system becomes unresponsive. Wheezy 3.2.81-1
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3059[20:06:53] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins: i know it's bad, but usually i give up and sudo xzane
3060[20:06:55] <SerajewelKS> xsane*
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3068[20:10:57] <harovali> hi, a jessie system , with Xorg, and lightdm service, does not login a user , it bounces back to login screen without further notice. How can that problem be solved?
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3071[20:11:58] <greycat> find the error messages, probably in the user's home directory, and see what's failing
3072[20:12:22] <harovali> greycat: any particular dir or file to look for there ?
3073[20:12:25] <greycat> Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a text console so you can login there without needing a friggin' X environment that may be the cause of failure
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3075[20:12:36] <greycat> ls -lart | tail to see the files in order
3076[20:12:40] <harovali> greycat: I can login with the user via ssh.
3077[20:12:55] <harovali> greycat: let's do that !
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3080[20:14:00] <harovali> greycat: a .xsession-errors file with null size is refreshed when login is tried
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3105[20:25:50] <samzorio> Hi, anyone knows if it's possible to deploy apache2.2 instead of 2.4 on debian jessie via apt ?
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3107[20:26:08] <samzorio> i've looked everywhere dont seem to find anyone who's maintaining packages for apache2.2 on jessie
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3109[20:26:36] <greycat> Honestly, if that's what you want, you would be better to stay on wheezy.
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3112[20:26:53] <samzorio> im trying to avoid reinstalling a server in our cluster
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3114[20:27:00] <samzorio> someone did an upgrade by mistake
3115[20:27:12] <samzorio> and anyways we're due for upgrades but not ready to deploy apache 2.4 yet
3116[20:27:15] <greycat> I think reinstalling would probably be less work than whatever you are imagining.
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3118[20:27:44] <samzorio> so to answer my question you do not know of anyone who maintains apache2.2 packages for jessie
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3126[20:30:05] <jelly> greycat: clusters are always more work than I imagine
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3130[20:30:51] <jelly> samzorio: we could find someone, depending on your budget...
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3132[20:31:12] <jelly> but otherwise no
3133[20:32:00] <jelly> rebuilding from wheezy-lts sources is probably not too hard
3134[20:32:48] <OnceMe> how can I presay yes for Are you sure you want to continue connectinon? for fingerprint on ssh
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3143[20:35:06] <topyli> there's an app for that, called "yes"
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3145[20:35:12] <psychoticwarrior> whats up everybody
3146[20:35:24] <topyli> you shouldn't do that though
3147[20:35:29] <topyli> hi psychoticwarrior
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3149[20:35:37] <psychoticwarrior> whats happening
3150[20:35:49] <loddfafnir> hi psychoticwarrior & topyli
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3152[20:36:11] <topyli> well i'm just out of the sauna, i'm probably the cleanest person on this channel :)
3153[20:36:14] <loddfafnir> nothing really interesting, updating my laptop
3154[20:37:18] <psychoticwarrior> yea saunas own. i like steam rooms better
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3156[20:37:33] <TechSmurf> Twice now I've set up vn2vn fcoe, and twice now when I attempt to use fcoemon to monitor and debug the connection fcoemon hangs and the entire system becomes unresponsive. Wheezy 3.2.81-1 kernel. Ideas?
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3159[20:37:56] <topyli> loddfafnir: well yeah you really don't want upgrades to be interesting. boring is better :)
3160[20:38:13] <OnceMe> ssh-keyscan host returns nothing and no known_hosts has been generated, how to preadd fingerprint?
3161[20:38:18] <loddfafnir> absolutely topyli
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3165[20:39:00] <loddfafnir> I'm looking for a good movie to see & keep me awaken for working tonight until midnigh
3166[20:39:05] <loddfafnir> any ideas ?
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3171[20:39:29] <phogg> loddfafnir: how far away is midnight?
3172[20:39:33] <topyli> psychoticwarrior: turkish and roman steam rooms are nice too, why not. but i'm supposed to be a finn and defend real sauna :)
3173[20:40:00] <loddfafnir> 3 hours and a bit more phogg
3174[20:40:25] <topyli> loddfafnir: funny, tragic, upsetting, what would you like?
3175[20:40:35] <jelly> loddfafnir, topyli: #debian-offtopic please
3176[20:40:44] <loddfafnir> thanks jelly
3177[20:40:50] <phogg> loddfafnir: There aren't many *good* three hour movies. Maybe around the world in 80 days (the 50s version)
3178[20:40:59] <psychoticwarrior> wida
3179[20:41:00] <phogg> jelly: yeah, sorry
3180[20:41:01] <psychoticwarrior> wida
3181[20:41:02] <psychoticwarrior> wida
3182[20:41:24] <topyli> jelly: damn, sorry. i didn't realize where i am
3183[20:41:27] <loddfafnir> phogg: better continuing on #debian-offtopic
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3188[20:42:59] <jhutchins> scanner's /dev/bus/usb file is crw-rw-r--+ 1 root root. sane-find-scanner finds it, scanimage does not. I know I've seen this before. iscan can't find it either.
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3191[20:43:17] <loddfafnir> to stay into topic's guideline : does anybody knows if kernel 4.10 will be inserted in stretch/testing before it will be officially released ?
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3193[20:43:30] <jelly> loddfafnir: it won't, 4.9 was picked
3194[20:43:45] <loddfafnir> sh... :/
3195[20:43:45] <topyli> jhutchins: try scanimage -l as root
3196[20:44:03] <TomTomTo1> 4.10 isn't even a lts kernel.
3197[20:44:11] <jelly> 4.9 is a longterm one
3198[20:44:18] <jhutchins> Oh, that's interesting. lsusb doesn't see it either now...
3199[20:44:24] <loddfafnir> oki, goot to know
3200[20:44:44] <topyli> jhutchins: oh so you have real problems :(
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3202[20:44:53] <OnceMe> help with ssh-keyscan?
3203[20:45:24] <topyli> OnceMe: just ask the question and someone might answer
3204[20:45:26] <jhutchins> n'mind, I was misreading lsusb.
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3208[20:45:45] <greycat> Stretch is frozen with 4.9 and it's VERY unlikely that will change at this point.
3209[20:45:45] <OnceMe> ssh-keyscan host returns nothing and no known_hosts has been generated, how to preadd fingerprint?
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3211[20:47:21] <jelly> OnceMe: did you give it one or more hosts?
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3213[20:47:29] <OnceMe> jelly: one
3214[20:47:29] <psychoticwarrior> wida
3215[20:47:35] <OnceMe> I did ssh-keyscan ip
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3217[20:47:41] <OnceMe> but no known_hosts was generated
3218[20:47:45] <OnceMe> I'm not sure if Im using it properly
3219[20:47:51] <jhutchins> topyli: Niether -l nor -L find it, iscan says it can't send command.
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3221[20:48:07] <jhutchins> sane identifies it correctly.
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3225[20:48:40] <jelly> psychoticwarrior: your client is generating noise, lines with "wida", fix it please so I don't have to mute you
3226[20:48:42] <topyli> jhutchins: i'm not an expert, but that does sound like a permission problem
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3228[20:49:08] <OnceMe> jelly: -v gives getaddrinfo
3229[20:49:16] <OnceMe> getaddrinfo -v: Name or service not known
3230[20:49:21] <jhutchins> topyli: Yes, it seems to me in the depths of time I fixed it by editing udev - this worked on 32b legacy upgraded to jessie, but I installed fresh 64b.
3231[20:49:35] <jhutchins> topyli: Thing is, root should be able to talk to it.
3232[20:49:37] <jelly> OnceMe: sounds like that hostname cannot be looked up (in dns or /etc/hosts)
3233[20:49:55] <topyli> jhutchins: exactly, i don't know why root can not
3234[20:50:01] <jelly> OnceMe: what's the actual command line you used?
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3236[20:50:20] <OnceMe> ssh-keyscan *....105 -v
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3238[20:50:55] <jelly> is that a hostname or an IP
3239[20:51:00] <OnceMe> IP
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3242[20:51:12] <OnceMe> but it doesnt matter
3243[20:51:15] <OnceMe> doesnt work for hostname too
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3245[20:51:18] <jelly> can you use a fqdn instead?
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3247[20:51:23] <OnceMe> ssh-keyscan user@github.com -v
3248[20:51:24] <topyli> jhutchins: remember the times when unix was unix and everything was a file? now we have no idea what's going on in our systems
3249[20:51:25] <OnceMe> getaddrinfo user@github.com: Name or service not known
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3251[20:51:35] <jelly> OnceMe: user@ is not part of hostname
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3253[20:51:51] <jelly> "github.com" is the host name
3254[20:51:54] <OnceMe> ssh-keyscan github.com -v
3255[20:51:56] <OnceMe> getaddrinfo -v: Name or service not known
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3257[20:52:25] <jelly> OnceMe: manual says options go first, then hostname(s)
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3259[20:53:04] <jelly> so... "ssh-keyscan github.com" and "ssh-keyscan -v github.com"
3260[20:53:13] <OnceMe> yeah verbose works now : github.com ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEAq2A7hRGmdnm9tUDbO9IDSwBK6TbQa+PXYPCPy6rbTrTtw7PHkccKrpp0yVhp5HdEIcKr6pLlVDBfOLX9QUsyCOV0wzfjIJNlGEYsdlLJizHhbn2mUjvSAHQqZETYP81eFzLQNnPHt4EVVUh7VfDESU84KezmD5QlWpXLmvU31/yMf+Se8xhHTvKSCZIFImWwoG6mbUoWf9nzpIoaSjB+weqqUUmpaaasXVal72J+UX2B+2RPW3RcT0eOzQgqlJL3RKrTJvdsjE3JEAvGq3lGHSZXy28G3skua2SmVi/w4yCE6gbODqnTWlg7+wC604ydGXA8VJiS5ap43JXiUFFAaQ==
3261[20:53:26] <OnceMe> but how can I get that fingerprint and add it to known_hosts?
3262[20:53:33] <jelly> you just got it?
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3267[20:53:47] <jelly> not sure what you're asking
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3272[20:55:12] <OnceMe> jelly: it works
3273[20:55:12] <jelly> OnceMe: if you wanted the hashed output to append to your ~/.ssh/known_hosts or the global one, tell ssh-keyscan to give you hashed output
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3275[20:55:58] <userro> !help
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3280[20:58:09] <jelly> userro: what are you trying to do?
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3282[20:58:36] <userro> I want to all commands of the bot
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3284[20:59:05] <jelly> !ircbots
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3286[20:59:43] <jelly> !msg the bot
3287[20:59:43] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
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3289[21:00:00] <jelly> userro: ^^ see those links
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3292[21:00:51] <userro> ah thank you
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3367[21:39:29] <jhutchins> reportbug isn't installed by default?
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3369[21:40:02] <somiaj> I don't think so.
3370[21:40:19] <somiaj> though I guess one shouldn't really be having to many bugs in stable in theory....
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3372[21:41:40] <jhutchins> I guess most people aren't even going to report them anyway, nor take the time to drill down past "doesn't work".
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3375[21:43:37] <mender27> Hello there. I am considering switching my facilities from FreeBSD to Debian and was interested how well ZFS is integrated with Debian. Can I easily install the kernel module via dpkg/apt and can I move some of the system directories onto a ZFS pool?
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3377[21:44:14] <phogg> jhutchins: I read it more like bug reporting should be a little hard to make it more likely that the reporter is putting in enough effort to produce a useful report.
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3379[21:44:36] <JyZyXEL> why is df saying my disk is 100% full: /dev/dm-1 837G 803G 192M 100% /
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3381[21:44:49] <JyZyXEL> it clearly has over 30G of free space
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3383[21:45:06] <jelly> JyZyXEL: 5% is reserved for root only, by default
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3386[21:45:46] <greycat> it's *rounded* to 100%
3387[21:45:49] <JyZyXEL> how do i check if that is the case?
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3389[21:46:08] <JyZyXEL> greycat: but 837GB - 803GB != 192M
3390[21:46:12] <jelly> JyZyXEL: man tune2fs
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3393[21:46:41] <jelly> (-l in particular to just view current settings for a fs)
3394[21:47:23] <greycat> For seeing the reseserved percent and so on, if it's an ext2-3-4 file system, use tune2fs -l /dev/whatever
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3396[21:47:30] <mender27> So? Any opinions on ZFS on Debian?
3397[21:48:00] <jelly> mender27: it's not integrated at all in the current release, but debian 9 is probably going to work with it. In debian 8 you need to use ZoL
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3399[21:48:07] <greycat> OK, guess it doesn't show the percent. It shows the number of reserved blocks.
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3401[21:48:08] <somiaj> mender27: zfsonlinux is still fairly new and in the current debian stable being older, one may have to do some work to get the more recent tools.
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3403[21:48:09] <JyZyXEL> Reserved GDT blocks: 970
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3405[21:48:28] <JyZyXEL> that is not even a gigabyte
3406[21:48:37] <greycat> JyZyXEL: Reserved block count, not GDT
3407[21:48:44] * greycat has no friggin' clue what GDT is
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3411[21:49:03] <somiaj> mender27: if you wait until stretch is released to do the change (sometime this summer -- and you can start testing with it now) there will be more modern tools for zfsonlinux support. Additionally I usually just suggest using ext4 on linux unless you are familar enough with the oter file systems or really need some of the features.
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3413[21:49:22] <JyZyXEL> well, ill be darned, Reserved block count: 8935012, that explains 34 gigabytes worth
3414[21:49:50] <somiaj> mender27: so my suggestion is test out a stretch install (maybe in a vm) and see if the tools in stretch meet your needs. jessie may not have the more modern zfsonlinux tools.
3415[21:49:54] <greycat> You can use tune2fs with other options to change the percent.
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3417[21:50:23] <greycat> For larger file systems, 1% may be more apt than 5%
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3419[21:51:02] <jelly> ext3 and 4 seem to fragment files a _lot_ if you go eat into that last 5%
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3426[21:52:40] <JyZyXEL> so i changed it to 1% and then read jellys comment and changed it back to 5%....
3427[21:52:47] <JyZyXEL> woah that was a bad move
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3429[21:53:20] <greycat> You also should take into consideration the usage pattern of this file system.
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3432[21:53:49] <JyZyXEL> managed to corrupt my Dolphin
3433[21:53:58] <JyZyXEL> the settings are completely hosed now
3434[21:54:14] <greycat> Sounds like you had heavy write activity at the time you were making changes.
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3444[22:00:13] <JyZyXEL> i went with 3% for this desktop
3445[22:00:16] <BlueProtoman> What's a mirror (ideally in or near New York City) I can give to the Debian installer?
3446[22:00:36] <mender27> somiaj: thank you kindly for your response. I will have a look at Stretch/Testing. I am vaguely familiar with ZoL, but more so with FreeBSD's ZFS.
3447[22:01:02] <greycat> !mirrors
3448[22:01:02] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
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3450[22:01:15] <BlueProtoman> greycat: Ah, thank you
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3452[22:01:36] <mender27> somiaj: not sure whether ZFS can be emulated by a VM, though, but my current setup allows me a rather quick reinstall of FreeBSD in case I am not satisfied with ZoL under Stretch.
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3465[22:06:43] <BlueProtoman> I got an error when installing Debian; how can I see /var/log/syslog?
3466[22:07:01] <BlueProtoman> (When installing it remotely, that is)
3467[22:07:07] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: It's on one of the alt vts.
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3469[22:07:16] <greycat> if you're still inside the installer, Ctrl-Alt-F4 is a log, and Ctrl-Alt-F2 is a usable terminal, IIRC
3470[22:07:33] <karlpinc> greycat: Humm. But remotely....
3471[22:07:37] <BlueProtoman> karlpinc, greycat: How do I access it without switching to different terminal on my host machine (which is Linux)?
3472[22:08:09] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: There's always reading the installer instructions at debian.org... :)
3473[22:08:36] <BlueProtoman> karlpinc: Am I gonna have to read a novel to find one little stupid thing I'm doing wrong?
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3475[22:08:52] <greycat> I don't even know what "remotely" means in this context.
3476[22:09:16] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: I seem to remember that something exists, but not more than that. You may need to run the installer in a mode that, early on, lets you ssh in. I don't really remember but I think that's at least one way to go.
3477[22:09:51] <BlueProtoman> greycat: It's weird. I'm connecting to a server's ILOM (an embedded computer that is separate from the server and manages the hardware), and connected to the console through *that*. As far as the installer is concerned, I am standing right there providing input
3478[22:09:59] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: No, not the whole novel. It has a table of contents. (maybe even an index. ooooh!)
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3480[22:10:53] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: Maybe there's a way to disable the alt-vt stuff on your local box so it gets passed through?
3481[22:11:01] <mender27> somiaj: I have checked the SUSE/OpenSUSE facilities for ZFS, but it seems they don't have it included and maybe "we" (as in, Debian) can count on some backported bliss from Ubuntu's LTS Server that is supposed to use ZFS in the next release.
3482[22:11:12] <BlueProtoman> Uh, my new problem is that wiki.debian.org gives me a 403 again
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3488[22:12:29] <BlueProtoman> Oh, wait, I can run a shell
3489[22:14:20] <cef> general ext4/file tools Q: I've got an rsync'd set of dirs that are all hard links. I want to copy the lot to a new fs and preserve the hard links. Any gotchas or things I need to do to preserve that?
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3491[22:15:38] <BlueProtoman> Hang on, gonna post /var/log/syslog shortly
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3493[22:15:43] <jelly> cef: use the approptiate options with you copying tool?
3494[22:16:14] <jelly> cef: one such tool is... rsync
3495[22:16:22] <karlpinc> mender27: Just came into the thread. All I know about ZFS is that there's a package for it, I think in "contrib", that downloads and compiles it for your box. With any luck Ubuntu won't have legal success packaging ZFS binaries or else the GPL will be gutted.
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3497[22:17:43] <cef> jelly: google foo failed me before but just paid off just after I asked.. typical. ;) yeah rsync -H, or even cp -a preserves hard links it seems, or you can do things like use pax or tar in a pipe it seems.
3498[22:18:03] <mender27> karlpinc: yes, licensing is still an issue. That's why it's an optional package still. However, maybe it can be included as an option in the installer so that I can opt-in for it.
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3500[22:19:05] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: FWIW, wiki.debian.org is working for me.
3501[22:19:35] <mender27> karlpinc: I looked at other GNU/Linux distros, but it seems to me that I would be interested in either CentOS, Debian or Ubuntu LTS Server. Honestly, I would prefer Debian, because it can be made light, compatible with different box sizes (servers, SoCs, etc.) and lots of options are opt-in without a hustle :).
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3506[22:21:52] <BlueProtoman> karlpinc, greycat: Here's my /var/log/syslog for the Debian installer replaced-url
3507[22:22:16] <karlpinc> mender27: You're interested in having ZFS installed at install time?
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3510[22:22:58] <BlueProtoman> I get an error about 40% or so through the "Install Base System" step
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3512[22:23:32] <somiaj> ,v zfs-dkms
3513[22:23:33] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-2; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.9-4
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3515[22:24:11] <somiaj> mender27: ^^ -- there is already in debian, looks like they are in jessie-backports, but waiting until stretch may give you better support/tools for zfsonlinux as I mentioned.
3516[22:24:58] <somiaj> mender27: there is even a zfs-initramfs to support using zfs as the root file system.
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3520[22:25:24] <BlueProtoman> Also, I can't seem to get the installer to recognize mirrors: http -> "enter information manually" (no existing mirrors are listed for some reason) -> "deb.debian.org" -> "/debian/" -> "" (no proxy)
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3523[22:26:10] <mender27> somiaj: a zfs-initramfs? Somehow I missed this, thanks! karlpinc: ideally, yes. However, it's okay post-installation also. That's the setup I used on FreeBSD.
3524[22:26:23] <jelly> BlueProtoman: that suggests network or dns issues, perhaps
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3526[22:26:54] <BlueProtoman> I'll try the network config steps again
3527[22:26:57] <mender27> karlpinc: I had all of the databases, /home, /tmp, etc. on the ZFS pool so that I can save my data if I accidentally bork the root partition.
3528[22:27:06] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: I guess we could also ask about the basics, like what release are you trying to install and where did you get the installer. Just in case you got something odd from somewhere.
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3538[22:28:18] <karlpinc> mender27: Not that I want to recommend this, but you could also boot up a debian-live image and install from that with debootstrap (I think that's the name.) Just mentioning that there's choices. Can't say what's right.
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3540[22:28:57] <somiaj> mender27: my suggestion is to stick with ext4 whereever you can, but I hear the zfs support is decent.
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3543[22:29:54] <BlueProtoman> karlpinc: Funny you should ask. This is a SPARC, not something conventional like my laptop, so I'm installing this replaced-url
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3549[22:31:09] <mender27> somiaj, karlpinc: thanks a lot for your help! I will install Stretch/Testing now and see how things go. If everything's alright, I might blog about the transition :).
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3552[22:32:11] <n-iCe> hi
3553[22:32:38] <paven> heyo
3554[22:32:49] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: Might have something to do with it. Always good to use the official stuff.
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3556[22:33:26] <n-iCe> how you doing guys
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3559[22:34:20] <BlueProtoman> karlpinc: I don't have much of a choice, the most recent official Debian ISO for the platform I have is like, at least five years old.
3560[22:36:30] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: Oh. Right. SPARC was dropped. (yes?)
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3563[22:37:11] <BlueProtoman> karlpinc: I guess? Still need to install Linux on it, though
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3572[22:41:32] <BlueProtoman> Huh, a new version of the ISO I want *just* came out on Tuesday.
3573[22:41:34] <BlueProtoman> Lemme try that.
3574[22:42:07] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: Just saw this: replaced-url
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3580[22:43:39] <BlueProtoman> karlpinc: What's the link? I get a 403. I think it's because I'm using a VPN
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3582[22:43:46] <n-iCe> new iso?
3583[22:43:47] <n-iCe> which one
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3585[22:44:02] <BlueProtoman> n-iCe: For SPARC, not likely something you have
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3587[22:44:48] <n-iCe> no idea what sparc is hehe
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3593[22:45:38] <BlueProtoman> It's a weird processor that Sun made before going belly-up
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3608[22:58:55] <karlpinc> BlueProtoman: replaced-url
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3610[22:59:13] <BlueProtoman> karlpinc: Yes, that's the ISO I'm trying
3611[22:59:53] <karlpinc> I'm using jessie and haven't messed with wireless in years. Should I be trying to configure with "iw" or "iwconfig" or do I not need to think about it because I /etc/network/interfaces handles it for me?
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3613[23:04:01] <somiaj> karlpinc: iwconfig or iw will work, though there are better tools in my opinion. I prefer use wpa_supplicant and launch it from the interfaces file
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3618[23:04:45] <somiaj> as in I think you have to mix iw and ip to get the interface up, iw can assoicate it with the ap, but ip would be needed to bring it up.
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3620[23:05:03] <somiaj> though its been a long time since I've tried to use those tools, interfaces file is a nice wrapper for this in my opinion
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3673[23:35:58] <karlpinc> Gosh. I've actually got the wireless card on this thing working. At least with non-free firmware. At least I can ping the wireless router and get an ip. (Can't seem to ping past there, but my routes are all set to use the ethernet wire, which must use just now.) So it works with the wireless here. But what's the best way to get it to work with wireless elsewhere? I'm setting wireless-essid and wireless-mode (and nothing else) in
3674[23:35:58] <karlpinc> my interfaces file at present. Will wpa_supplicant prompt me or what's the right way to discover and use whatever wireless is around?
3675[23:36:44] <karlpinc> somiaj: And yes, I'd prefer a simple "ifup wlan0" from the command line.
3676[23:36:57] <karlpinc> (Off to README.Debian on wpa_supplicant)
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3678[23:37:52] <Brigo> karlpinc, i use to configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
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3681[23:38:12] <Brigo> and use wifite for networks searching.
3682[23:38:16] <teraflops> karlpinc: replaced-url
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3685[23:38:45] <dnsly> hi
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3687[23:39:00] <dnsly> Is it still responsible running Debian 3.2.* on production? :)
3688[23:39:26] <teraflops> there's no mention to nmtui there…
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3690[23:39:48] <somiaj> karlpinc: there is a greate document in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant that describes how to use wpa in roam mode via the interfaces file. That is what I use
3691[23:40:23] <karlpinc> Thanks. While I've occasionally got wifi working with Debian, in the past it's been a one-off. Now I'm thinking I might actually enter the 21st century and use wifi on a kinda-sorta regular basis.
3692[23:40:32] <somiaj> karlpinc: if you want to manually ifup/ifdown on different networks, you don't need all that, just use aliases, and do like ifup wlan0=networka, and define networka in the interfaces file. Mostly you just need to include wpa-essid and wpa-psk or something like that
3693[23:40:56] <somiaj> wpa roam is nice because it will switch networks for you automatically as you move and then you just need to automatcally bring it up
3694[23:41:09] <somiaj> you can then use wpa_cli or wpa_gui to configure it once wpa is running in roam mode
3695[23:41:26] <karlpinc> The bother of it is, when I'm trying to setup wifi I've got no network and can't get help from the web. :)
3696[23:41:42] <somiaj> and of course you most likely need non-free firmware
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3699[23:42:09] <karlpinc> somiaj: I am managing to use a free driver though. (*sigh*)
3700[23:42:44] <somiaj> most open drivers still use non-free firmware, and the rares ones that don't hvae the non-free firmware flashed onto the chip
3701[23:42:49] <karlpinc> dnsly: No.
3702[23:43:15] <somiaj> dnsly: wheezy is the oldest debian distro that still gets security updates via the lts team.
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3704[23:43:29] <karlpinc> dnsly: Not unless it's on a secured network that's, well, secure and has, say, just you using it.
3705[23:43:46] <dnsly> ah
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3708[23:44:18] <karlpinc> dnsly: If you have an air gap between you and the world anything can be secure.
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3715[23:50:07] <qih> Morning, I'm using an O/S based on Debian Testing, I just checked the IP Address using "/sbin/ifconfig eth0" and noticed that MAC address is not shown as *HWaddr 00:08:9b:c4:30:31*, but as *ether 00:08:9b:c4:30:31* ... is this a new way to display it?
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3722[23:53:15] <karlpinc> qih: Not to be pissy about it but....
3723[23:53:18] <karlpinc> !based on debian
3724[23:53:18] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
3725[23:53:56] <karlpinc> qih: (And the other short answer is "I don't know. Sorry.")
3726[23:54:14] <qih> karlpinc: Noted, no problems, I shall grind my axe ...
3727[23:54:33] <dnsly> karlpinc: the link from the bot is outdated (futuris.se/gldt/)
3728[23:54:39] <dnsly> what is a "pure debian blend"? :)
3729[23:54:45] <dnsly> 3x distilled?
3730[23:55:15] <qih> karlpinc: The "ip addr" cmds show a better range of info, was just curious.
3731[23:55:22] <karlpinc> dnsly: It means "offically part of debian". But you get various debian packages/configurations in a blend that you'd have to do manually with plain old debian.
3732[23:55:30] <dnsly> I see
3733[23:55:33] <dnsly> some kind of preinstall
3734[23:56:03] <karlpinc> dnsly: Basically. With a support infrastructure too.
3735[23:56:07] <dnsly> like tasksel? :)
3736[23:56:14] <somiaj> dnsly: a pure blend is something that is just a configuration of debian using all the same software/packages in debian, just preconfigured for a special use case.
3737[23:56:21] <dnsly> ok
3738[23:56:29] <karlpinc> dnsly: Yah. You get configurations, not just packages.
3739[23:56:33] <somiaj> little mor than that, I think you can ship configuration files with the pure blend, you just can't modify packages.
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3747[23:59:04] <karlpinc> dnsly: There's mailing lists and suchlike as well for support I think.
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