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3 [00:00:51] <DoberMann> LazyAngel: you can try reptyr if
already installed
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6 [00:01:14] <gribouille> hi
7 [00:01:16] <DoberMann> nice tool to have anyway
8 [00:01:52] <gribouille> if I modify /etc/resolv.conf, do I
have to restart networking?
9 [00:02:07] <teraflops> gribouille: nope
10 [00:02:08] <DoberMann> no
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13 [00:02:31] <gribouille> do the changes take effect
automatically?
14 [00:02:38] <teraflops> yep
15 [00:02:43] <gribouille> ok thanks
16 [00:02:49] <Gorwell> Hey, I need to backup my disk. Will I
have any issue if I do dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb/disk.img while
/dev/sda is mounted?
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21 [00:03:22] <nkuttler> Gorwell: um... dd isn't really a
backup tool.. and certainly not while you write to the disk
22 [00:03:22] <DoberMann> Gorwell: you will if you want to
restore it later ;)
23 [00:03:36] <nkuttler> Gorwell: just use rsync or something
else
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25 [00:03:53] <DoberMann> does not work for all either
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27 [00:04:08] <teraflops> Gorwell: yo can but that's not a
good idea
28 [00:04:19] <Gorwell> I don't want to restore it later,
but at least be able to access the files
29 [00:04:21] <Gorwell> thanks
30 [00:04:30] <Gorwell> so, rsync would be the option
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32 [00:04:46] <nkuttler> or, just good old tar
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35 [00:04:54] <DoberMann> i mean if you're out of luck some
files won't be readable ;p
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37 [00:05:08] <teraflops> yeah tar is fine or rsync
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41 [00:05:51] <Gorwell> thanks, guys
42 [00:05:52] <Gorwell> :)
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57 [00:11:12] <disi> sanity check: 1102 perms means "sticky
bit + owner execute + world write" correct?
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72 [00:20:21] <green_tea> hi, new to debian switchover from
ubuntu, wondering why my keyring password cannot be accessed when
trying to access my root terminal
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80 [00:25:07] <zykotick9> green_tea: welcome to debian (i made
the same switch many moons ago). understand that root is a different
user then your regular user (even when using sudo). dunno if that
helps? best of luck.
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86 [00:27:06] <steakwipe> i remember the days before sudo was
really around
87 [00:27:14] <steakwipe> when sudo came around i was stoked
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91 [00:30:42] <n4dir1> back then, when jesus was a baby.
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94 [00:31:30] <green_tea> yes but should I not be able to access
the room terminal from admin?
95 [00:31:47] <green_tea> it said I don't know the key
passphrase
96 [00:31:56] <green_tea> I know the root pw and my user pw
97 [00:32:00] <green_tea> and tried both
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105 [00:35:44] <n4dir1> in any terminal emulator you can type su
and become root?
106 [00:35:55] <n4dir1> or sudo su, or whatever you use
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109 [00:37:07] <green_tea> do you need to set a sudo pw first or
it is the same as root?
110 [00:37:26] <n4dir1> sudo uses the users password, as far i
can tell.
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112 [00:37:50] <n4dir1> so no, there sure is nothing to be setup
in that regard
113 [00:39:05] <n4dir1> the user must be part of the sudoers
group (or such) and must be setup in the config file, /etc/sudo or
such.
114 [00:39:28] <n4dir1> - /etc/sudoers, edited with visudo
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117 [00:41:32] <green_tea> ok
118 [00:43:05] <n4dir1> not that sure. can't recall that i
ever used sudo, bout round the lines of that
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121 [00:44:10] <zykotick9> green_tea: fyi, by default, all you
need to do to enable sudo is a) install sudo b) add user to sudo
group and c) if logged in currently, logout/back in...
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125 [00:45:42] <n4dir1> wouldn't know how that should work
without editing sudoers file, but hey ...
126 [00:46:13] <zykotick9> n4dir1: by default the
"sudo" group gets sudo access. it's already in
sudoers by default.
127 [00:46:48] <n4dir1> and what commands will it be able to run?
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129 [00:47:02] * zykotick9 thinks editing sudoers is only for
"fine grained" control... ymmv.
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131 [00:47:29] <zykotick9> n4dir1: anything sudo/root could...
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134 [00:47:58] <n4dir1> what do you mean? anything sudo can? with
sudo you can run certain commands,
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136 [00:48:07] <zykotick9> n4dir1: it's THOSE sort of
controls (per-application/per-user) where sudoers is gold ;)
137 [00:48:30] <n4dir1> or, if you make it like that (for what
reason ever is beyond me) the user can run all commands.
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142 [00:49:16] <n4dir1> might be debian has changed that, but i
am pretty sure you had to edit /etc/sudoers to make it possible to
do just anything with sudo
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144 [00:49:33] <zykotick9> n4dir1: it's changed...
145 [00:49:33] <n4dir1> would be new then. oh my
146 [00:49:37] <n4dir1> oh my.
147 [00:49:52] <zykotick9> like pre-squeeze or so ;)
148 [00:50:15] <n4dir1> huh? nah.
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152 [00:52:07] <n4dir1> anyway: if all he has to do is install
sudo and add him to the group, he will soon enough figure it out
153 [00:52:30] <zykotick9> n4dir1: don't forget the log out
and back it ;)
154 [00:52:39] <frazr> writing second ever golang prog, idea is
to run this on 80 live sites as root when finished, haha the sweats
i'll be having :P
155 [00:53:30] <frazr> is this a good idea? :P
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166 [01:03:44] <unborn> any perl gurus here? I cannot figure out
how to print date +%Y-%m-%d"T"%H:%M:%S - sorry for off
topic
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170 [01:04:01] <preaction> unborn: why not #perl?
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173 [01:05:35] <unborn> ah :) thanks!
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180 [01:11:32] <awal1> green_tea: got it to work yet?
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185 [01:12:58] <green_tea> ahh not yet still looking into user
groups and things
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190 [01:13:55] <awal1> green_tea, nothing complicated. tell:
durring install you have created a root password, regular user and
passwor for that user, right?
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192 [01:14:54] <green_tea> yes
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194 [01:15:18] <zykotick9>
replaced-url
195 [01:15:20] <green_tea> ahh but also I am on debian-mate
196 [01:15:29] <zykotick9> ahhhh
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198 [01:16:03] <awal1> ok, so you have two choices: regular user
without root access and us su + root passwd for have root access, or
, as regular user, run: adduser your-user-name sudo
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200 [01:16:30] <zykotick9> oh, mate is a desktop... i was
thinking mint DISTRO... so no "ahhh" required :)
201 [01:16:52] <green_tea> not not just desktop
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203 [01:17:06] <awal1> log out from your sheell (terminal) and
use sudo + your-regular-user-passwod command if you want gain some
root rivileges. thats all, grean_tea
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205 [01:17:30] <green_tea> ok
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208 [01:18:42] <awal1> if you want more options which can be used
with su and sudo, check man sudo - man su
209 [01:18:55] <green_tea> got it
210 [01:18:57] <green_tea> thankns
211 [01:19:14] <green_tea> thanks a lot
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213 [01:21:21] <unborn> preaction: great advice, thank you very
much! I will soon publish git repo for keepassx csv import converter
for any csv.. I was stuck as I do not use keepass2.
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218 [01:22:12] <teraflops> green_tea: btw man pages are the first
place to look at, not the last, it will save you from so much hassle
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221 [01:23:07] <awal1> green_tea, don't edit /etc/sudoers
via visudo, unless you know what you do. for standard use, you are
done with I told you.
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226 [01:25:17] <awal1> and, if you switched from ubuntu to
debian, you should know that debian isn't ubuntu, don't
just follow ...buntu's tutorials and stuff and you apply them
in debian, check debian info, docs... first
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228 [01:26:29] <green_tea> true I'm reading that info thanks
229 [01:26:43] <frazr> :P
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231 [01:27:23] <zykotick9> !dontbreakdebian
232 [01:27:23] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break
debian is
replaced-url
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234 [01:27:54] <awal1> green_tea, ^ is for you :P
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236 [01:28:58] <green_tea> thanks guys
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240 [01:32:59] <zykotick9> green_tea: <sidenote> its more
then just "guys" in debian irc channels! saying
"thanks" works even better...
241 [01:33:39] * zykotick9 notes he is a male... it was just a
<sidenote>
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243 [01:33:43] <teraflops> zykotick9: yeah lot of kittens too
244 [01:35:01] <zykotick9> teraflops: i don't like cats...
so you point out all the kittens in #d to me - 'cause i'm
gonna be rude to them!
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247 [01:35:22] <teraflops> :S
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257 [01:42:09] <stimp> lukkan
258 [01:42:28] <stimp> solus kevin
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269 [01:54:26] <awal1> green_tea, I forgot: for be able to run
"adduser your-username sudo" you have to be root. so
first: "su + your-root-passwd" then "adduser
your-username sudo"
270 [01:54:50] <awal1> nobody have noticed that :(
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273 [01:55:45] <awal1> gracefully, it wasn't an rm something
:P
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299 [02:15:39] <JohnA> where can I find dnssec-keymgr, it is part
of Bind 9.11 but I would like to try it out.
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357 [02:52:33] <WildPenguin> hello...
358 [02:52:41] <WildPenguin> hello, ikonia...
359 [02:53:08] <bazhang> WildPenguin, ?
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362 [02:53:25] <WildPenguin> hi bazhang, how are you?
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373 [02:57:50] <nmschulte> Does anyone deal with Microsoft's
Skype for Business (Lync, Office Communicator, ?) and Debian /
GNU/Linux? I need to use this software for certain duties at my
place of employment, but so far I've turned up squat outside of
booting Windows.
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377 [03:00:02] <somiaj> nmschulte: I think the prefered way is to
use the new skype webapp. Their old linux packages aren't
really supported anymore afiak.
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379 [03:01:32] <nmschulte> somiaj: So, the business that pays for
this uses Office 365 integration of some sort; when I try to
"use the Lync web app", it fails -- the web app is an
ActiveX app, I suppose, and not an HTML5 / cross-platform
application.
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381 [03:02:06] <somiaj> afiak there is some cross platform app,
but I don't know much about it, and it really isn't
supported here.
382 [03:02:12] <nmschulte> I've managed little success
jumping around these hoops (e.g. Use Firefox, which has "more
compatibility"), but I think basically every feature is
crippled, including authentication (I can "be a guest"),
and video / screen-share.
383 [03:02:25] <somiaj> you may have to go read up on their app
for support.
384 [03:02:26] <missmbob> i doubt it's activex. edge
doesn't support activex
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387 [03:02:36] <nmschulte> somiaj: thanks. Where do users go when
they're forced into these crappy situations, for support?
388 [03:02:57] <missmbob> you could run a thin windows vm
389 [03:03:17] <DarinMiller> use skype for buisiness on Android.
It works fairly well most of the time.
390 [03:03:24] <nmschulte> I'm guessing then that the
situation is simply horrible, and what I've managed is as far
as anyone. I know there's some SIPE stuff in libpurple/pidgin,
but I don't think that implies video/voice/conference or
anything.
391 [03:03:34] <nmschulte> DarinMiller: now there's an idea;
thank you!
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393 [03:04:02] <nmschulte> I will look into using QEMU w/ Android
x86 and that app.
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395 [03:04:11] <DarinMiller> You can even pinch to zoom if you
need to expand desktop sharing during meetings.
396 [03:04:12] <nmschulte> (Or maybe even I don't need
QEMU?)
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398 [03:04:54] <nmschulte> Side-note: I (we) have managed to get
most of the interaction done via e.g.
replaced-url
399 [03:05:13] <nmschulte> I appreciate the help! I know
it's a crap question to support, but it's the reality of
using Debian in a business/corporate env.
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407 [03:08:01] <somiaj> nmschulte:
replaced-url
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413 [03:11:42] <nmschulte> somiaj: yes, I did similar research
and exploration late last year; I played w/ user-agent switching to
get as far as "sign in to conf as guest to listen to
audio"; couldn't share video/audio or view shared video or
any of the other good stuff.
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415 [03:11:56] <nmschulte> I will play more w/ Edge, though -- I
didn't find that article in my searches.
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417 [03:12:31] <nmschulte> I should note, though, that Skype and
Skype for Business mainly just share a moniker.
418 [03:12:46] <awal1> nmschulte: firefox, standard version, not
esr, have a feature called "firefox hello", it does almost
the same as appear.in. I tried it like 2 years ago and it worked
just fine, it may be much better now
419 [03:12:55] <nmschulte> Or at least, historically, that's
been the case; Microsoft does seem to be pushing to move all of
Lync/Office Communicator/etc. to Skype.
420 [03:13:51] <nmschulte> awal1: nice, thanks! I'm fighting
corporate practice/bureaucracy here, though, not the "what
tools work?" issue.
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423 [03:14:35] <nmschulte> I'll have to play w/ that later;
it may be a good alternative to appear.in, which has shown some bugs
across platforms lately.
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425 [03:16:33] <missmbob> "Hello will be removed from
Firefox when version 49 is released on September 20, 2016"
426 [03:17:43] <nmschulte> Hah, already gone then. Thanks anyway.
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433 [03:28:21] <hvpc> how can i check version in backports ?
aptitude show -t jessie-backports, just shows version from main
repository
434 [03:29:40] <dvs> hvpc, apt-cache policy ?
435 [03:29:49] <LtL> hvpc: apt-cache policy packagename
436 [03:29:58] <dvs> liar!
437 [03:30:00] <dvs> ;-)
438 [03:30:09] <LtL> dvs: you win.. again
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440 [03:30:51] <dvs> !prise dvs
441 [03:30:51] * dpkg forcibly removes dvs from dvs's keyboard
442 [03:31:15] <LtL> heh
443 [03:31:30] <LtL> !praise dvs
444 [03:31:30] * dpkg kneels before dvs. "We're not worthy!
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448 [03:34:59] <hvpc> thanks
449 [03:35:08] <dvs> yay
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464 [03:40:22] <papi83dm> morning
465 [03:40:37] <papi83dm> are there any downside for upgrading
from wheezy to jessie
466 [03:40:56] <papi83dm> is it recommend to install jessie fresh
and migrate the data or can I just upgrade from wheezy?
467 [03:41:09] <dvs> papi83dm, you have to decided if you want
systemd or not.
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471 [03:41:37] <dvs> papi83dm, you can just upgrade but it's
a good idea to read the release notes first.
472 [03:41:46] <papi83dm> what's systemd
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474 [03:41:57] <dvs> dpkg, tell papi83dm about systemd
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480 [03:43:48] <papi83dm> looks like I want systemctl
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483 [03:44:28] <papi83dm> i have a lot of data and thought the
upgrade was the easier way
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485 [03:44:38] <papi83dm> I guess I would have to backup my data
and do a clean install
486 [03:44:49] <dvs> why?
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490 [03:46:53] <papi83dm> I think I read somewhere that is not
recommended to do an upgrade
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492 [03:47:13] <dvs> No, that's not true.
493 [03:48:49] <dvs> Backups are still a good idea, though
494 [03:48:59] <nmschulte> papi83dm: make sure you read the
release notes / upgrade notes, and you should be set. If you see
anything you don't like, depending on what it is, it _may_ be
less work to get Debian configured as you prefer, via a fresh
install, but that's in the weeds.
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505 [03:53:45] <papi83dm> i'm doing it on a test server,
isn't this the command to upgrade it? apt-get dist-upgrade
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508 [03:55:59] <nmschulte> papi83dm: I believe w/ apt-get, yes
that's correct.
509 [03:56:12] <papi83dm> yeah I was missing the repo
510 [03:56:15] <papi83dm> I just added them
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512 [03:57:21] <nmschulte> aptitude uses `full-upgrade` (and
exposes a `safe-upgrade`), which are like apt-get's
`dist-upgrade.
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518 [04:02:23] <awal1> nmschulte, w/
519 [04:03:14] <awal1> your w/ is curious :P
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522 [04:04:18] <nmschulte> w/ => with
523 [04:04:24] <nmschulte> w/o => without
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526 [04:05:53] <awal1> i got since the beginning but never seen
that :D
527 [04:06:02] <awal1> got it
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542 [04:12:17] <nmschulte> awal1: glad I could help, :)
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560 [04:22:13] <blastwave> hey .. when I run apt-get update on my
stretch server I see Hit:1
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562 [04:23:45] <somiaj> blastwave: that is the file it is
getting.
563 [04:24:14] <somiaj> oh yea, it might be part of the freeze,
getting it ready for stable.
564 [04:24:55] <somiaj> blastwave:
replaced-url
565 [04:25:13] <blastwave> cool .. all I wanted to know
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567 [04:25:23] <blastwave> things are in the final stretch ( pun
intended )
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570 [04:27:43] <somiaj> well this seems to be more about apt, and
less about the release, i think sid would give the same thing.
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573 [04:28:17] * blastwave *shrug* I am just happy that stretch is very
very close
574 [04:28:39] <somiaj> yea the final freeze I think is still the
fifth.
575 [04:28:56] <somiaj> of feb
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580 [04:32:49] <nmschulte> Dare I join #systemd or ##systemd to
ask about a Debian-ism incited Q?
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582 [04:33:17] <bazhang> debian uses systemd
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584 [04:33:32] <bazhang> perhaps you are thinking of devuan
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586 [04:33:47] <nmschulte> How can I configure systemd to _not_
attempt to unlock a drive specified in /etc/crypttab?
587 [04:33:50] <somiaj> if you asked here and got little
response, that channel is a good place for debian specific things.
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589 [04:34:32] <nmschulte> (Debian's decrypt_derived script,
used in conjunction w/ Debian's keyscript= option (4th column)
seems to unlock the disk properly, but systemd/systemd-cryptsetup
still prompts for a passphrase for it at boot.)
590 [04:35:15] <somiaj> well you shouldn't be cross posting,
but you may find some help in systemd
591 [04:35:17] <nmschulte> These seem like relevant bug reports:
replaced-url
592 [04:35:18] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
593 [04:36:03] <nmschulte> I have not yet cross-posted, just know
that certain things like this tend to get shut down quickly, due to
"that's not upstream, for a reason" kind of stuff.
But, the "ignore this line in /etc/crypttab" is not a
Debianism.
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595 [04:36:29] <somiaj> aren't you talking about similar
issues in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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599 [04:37:40] <nmschulte> Indeed, yes now I have sort of crossed
the streams, though my specific questions do indeed relate to the
channels I asked them in.
600 [04:38:01] <nmschulte> I mean, the one in debian-next, was
sid specific, and this is not.
601 [04:38:29] <somiaj> still it is cross posting, maybe those
involved in helping you would have more insight instead of us asking
what the question was.
602 [04:38:30] <bazhang> 'crossed the streams'
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606 [04:38:48] <bazhang> thats like ghostbusters
607 [04:38:51] <somiaj> since you are in debian-next I would keep
your discussion there (even if it is more debeian in general)
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609 [04:38:57] <SomeUnknownNamex> Hey
610 [04:39:06] <bazhang> bad idea to crosspost as well
611 [04:39:42] <nmschulte> noted -- apologies. I imagine
I'll end up in #/##systemd in the end. thanks for the insight!
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613 [04:40:22] <SomeUnknownNamex> can someone help a newb like me
trying to install nethogs and find out whats killing my bandwidth
but I get an error and don't know too much about how to work
around it.
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615 [04:41:12] <somiaj> ,v nethogs
616 [04:41:13] <judd> Package: nethogs on amd64 -- jessie:
0.8.0-1; wheezy: 0.8.0-1; jessie-backports: 0.8.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
0.8.5-2; sid: 0.8.5-2
617 [04:41:16] <somiaj> !bat
618 [04:41:16] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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620 [04:41:42] <somiaj> SomeUnknownNamex: provide the info the
bot listed, including the command you typed, the output of the
command and the apt-policy lines
621 [04:41:53] <SomeUnknownNamex> sure i think its a bug in the
version that does install though
622 [04:42:00] <SomeUnknownNamex> so i needed help with manually
doing a package i guess
623 [04:42:17] <somiaj> SomeUnknownNamex: what version of debian
are you running?
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625 [04:44:25] <SomeUnknownNamex> Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie)
626 [04:45:23] <somiaj> SomeUnknownNamex: well provide the
output. These errors shouldn't happen in jessie unless you
start mixing things (though sometimes jessie-backports packages can
cause issues and I noticed this has a backported version
627 [04:46:05] <SomeUnknownNamex>
replaced-url
628 [04:46:19] <SomeUnknownNamex> You can see that I got it
installed, and this is a known issue, but I have no clue how to get
the latest version of NetHogs installed
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630 [04:46:52] <somiaj> SomeUnknownNamex: ahh, well you made it
sound like your error was installing nethogs. Have you searched for
that error in google?
631 [04:46:59] <SomeUnknownNamex> I guess that apt-get installs
Nethogs 0.8.0
632 [04:47:14] <SomeUnknownNamex> Yes I need to get Nethogs 0.8.1
but I always run into issues trying to get it installed as this is
not my forte by any means
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635 [04:48:36] <somiaj> the issue you are having is probably not
due to the version though.
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638 [04:50:24] <somiaj> I do see something saying a newer version
may solve this. anyways, apt-get -t jessie-backports install nethogs
639 [04:51:40] <SomeUnknownNamex> A new one will work but I
don't know how to install it :/
640 [04:51:53] <somiaj> !jessie-backports
641 [04:51:53] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9
"Stretch" release but recompiled for use with
"Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the
"jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports
are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A
suitable line for your sources.list is «deb
replaced-url
642 [04:52:07] <somiaj> SomeUnknownNamex: I told you the command
to type, if you don't have jessie-backports enabled follow the
bots instructions
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648 [04:55:14] <SomeUnknownNamex> I don't have it enabled so
lets see.
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650 [04:56:10] <SomeUnknownNamex> Adding it to my sources list
now
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652 [04:58:56] <SomeUnknownNamex>
replaced-url
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664 [05:05:14] <SomeUnknownNamex> anyone?
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666 [05:06:00] <Atm0spher1c> preferred way to always have a clean
chroot? just keep one tar gzipped?
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668 [05:06:23] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: you could use pbuilder
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671 [05:08:01] <themill> Atm0spher1c: sbuild with aufs or
overlayfs
672 [05:08:25] <themill> (or lvm if you've got the space)
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676 [05:09:28] <Atm0spher1c> I just don't want to download
packages over agian constantly. pbuilder says it uses a local
mirror. that might work
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678 [05:09:53] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: pbuilder also uses it's
cache so it shouldn't need a local mirror.
679 [05:10:43] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: each one of my chroots has
all the .deb files installed that they have used which gets copied
to /var/cache/apt/archives when running I belive.
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688 [05:13:04] <stephanie92> hello
689 [05:13:22] <proletariat> stephanie..who the fuck are you
690 [05:13:29] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj: my var partition is full i
need to resize it probably
691 [05:13:52] <somiaj> or check why, sometimes logs blow up, see
if any logs are taking up to much space
692 [05:13:52] <stephanie92> proletariat: this guy
693 [05:14:02] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj: its apt cache
694 [05:14:16] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: that as well. (:
695 [05:14:17] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj: its 2.7g only too
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697 [05:14:19] <proletariat> stephanie..are you some Nazi bitch
in the crowd saying murder Anne Frank so our Nazi sons can have more
land
698 [05:14:38] <proletariat> stephani..who the fuck are you?
699 [05:15:42] <bazhang> proletariat, wrong channel
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701 [05:17:21] <proletariat> bazhang...i hardly think so...debian
went to great pains to provide a build for pcsxr to support final
fantasy 9 so people could see what the proletariat who could not
afford a ticket to the show...had to endure
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703 [05:17:40] <themill> Atm0spher1c: I point sbuild/pbuilder/etc
at apt-cacher-ng
704 [05:17:54] <proletariat> bazhang...or have you never heard of
final fantasy #9
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706 [05:18:44] <proletariat> and the softness and warmth of
Princess Garnett's badonkadonk
707 [05:18:54] <themill> proletariat: that's quite enough,
thanks
708 [05:18:59] <Atm0spher1c> themill: cool thanks
709 [05:19:02] <bazhang> proletariat, thats not topical here ever
710 [05:19:43] <proletariat> bazhang...ask me if i give a fuck
about what you thieving crooked nigger dick suckin girl murdering
bastards think is topical
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717 [05:22:45] <nmschulte> SomeUnknownNamex: it looks like your
issue was resolved; I would start looking into how to use nethogs --
I'm not familiar, personally.
718 [05:22:55] <SomeUnknownNamex> Wasn't resolved
719 [05:23:02] <SomeUnknownNamex> Getting all kinds of errors as
shown in the link above
720 [05:23:15] <SomeUnknownNamex> Unable to replicate by the guy
who manages the project so I just gave up on it
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722 [05:23:29] <SomeUnknownNamex> Trying to find whats consuming
all this bandwidth
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725 [05:24:31] <nmschulte> SomeUnknownNamex: I didn't follow
the whole log, but indeed it looks like the issue wasn't w/ the
install -- the error(s) is (are) different now, though, so
that's postiive.
726 [05:24:49] <SomeUnknownNamex> Well I checked the GitHub for
people reporting same issues and there was no fix
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728 [05:24:56] <nmschulte> I assume there's some sort of
permissions error -- did you restart the system between this? Again,
this looks like nethogs specific issues, but of course I could be
wrong.
729 [05:25:06] <SomeUnknownNamex> Nope didn't.
730 [05:25:16] <nmschulte> Sorry, :/.
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732 [05:25:23] <SomeUnknownNamex> This machine consumed 250GB of
BW
733 [05:25:29] <SomeUnknownNamex> (with VNC closed)
734 [05:25:34] <SomeUnknownNamex> Something not right for sure
735 [05:25:47] <SomeUnknownNamex> But meh, ill just try
re-installing OS and just hope it was something that was on the
machine
736 [05:25:49] <nmschulte> I look to my NAT/routing device for
bandwith issues; it tells me src and dest.
737 [05:26:07] <nmschulte> SomeUnknownNamex: you may want to try
the program iftop -- it shows bandwidth per TCP (and UDP?)
connections.
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739 [05:26:19] <SomeUnknownNamex> I was hoping to get process
name
740 [05:26:41] <nmschulte> SomeUnknownNamex: you can use netstat,
w/ the info from iftop (if iftop won't tell you the proc name),
and find the PID, and then the program.
741 [05:27:07] <nmschulte> Assuming the BW is incurred at a TCP
level, of course.
742 [05:27:10] <SomeUnknownNamex> ah
743 [05:27:39] <nmschulte> w/ that much BW, though, you might
even be able to look at the CPU or other resource load for the
processes to narrow down suspects.
744 [05:27:57] <nmschulte> "250GB of BW" is wrong, over
what time frame?
745 [05:28:08] <SomeUnknownNamex> 100GB in just a few hours
746 [05:28:11] <SomeUnknownNamex> For reference
747 [05:28:12] <SomeUnknownNamex> :/
748 [05:28:45] <nmschulte> That's ~50 Mb/s or so.
749 [05:29:00] <nmschulte> (assuming raw transport values; no
compression etc.)
750 [05:29:14] <SomeUnknownNamex> Yeah, im sure it will get
suspended anytime now
751 [05:29:34] <nmschulte> Good luck w/ iftop!
752 [05:29:38] <SomeUnknownNamex> Thanks
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793 [06:08:55] <WildPenguin> hello, has anybody here used Antix
Linux? or is aware of it?
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795 [06:09:33] <missmbob> !antix
796 [06:09:34] <dpkg> antiX is a live CD distribution based on
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797 [06:10:24] <WildPenguin> ok. A friend of mine told me about
it and that it is a debian stable based distro.
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803 [06:16:06] <WildPenguin> can we expect the same stability in
debian based distro as in debian?
804 [06:16:30] <themill> You'd have to ask them
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807 [06:17:28] <WildPenguin> although I prefer Debian, because of
the community support, that was just a casual question.
808 [06:18:33] <WildPenguin> You always have someone online here
if you get into any problems.
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810 [06:19:08] <WildPenguin> that is not the case in many of the
distro. Probably, they don't has large enough communities.
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814 [06:26:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> WildPenguin, some are derived
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815 [06:27:20] <WildPenguin> ok. But, I asked about debian stable
based distros.
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868 [07:20:36] <themill> IANIMATEDYOU: wrong channel (wrong
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983 [08:51:54] <skell> hello i tried to install mysql5.7 with
mysql-apt-config_0.8.1-1_all.deb now it is broken ERROR 2002
(HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
'/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
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1051 [09:45:24] <camh> can anyone point me at a debian live image
(no gui needed) that has UEFI boot? Instructions for making my own
are not clear
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1076 [10:06:08] <spacebug^> camh:
replaced-url
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1081 [10:07:16] <camh> spacebug^: is that the regular debian live?
because they dont have uefi boot
1082 [10:08:55] <camh> yeah, just checked the sha1 - I've
already got that one but it is legacy bios boot
1083 [10:09:17] <spacebug^> oh
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1085 [10:09:21] <themill> there are no uefi d-live images
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1105 [10:19:30] <demo> hello...
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1108 [10:20:13] <demo> the system lock in MX Linux 16 doesn't
seem to work. Just wanted to report it.
1109 [10:20:14] <camh> themill: I know there's no official
ones, but I'm asking here to see if anyone can point me at one
they have made
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1138 [10:42:03] <camh> FTR
replaced-url
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1416 [13:29:17] <mzf> How can i use another mirror of debian
archive in installer when installing using netinst iso?
1417 [13:29:47] <mzf> I mean one that is not already in listed
mirror archives
1418 [13:30:04] <Penix> mzf: by using the first entry in the list
1419 [13:30:22] <Penix> lets you specify a mirror
1420 [13:30:25] <mzf> oh my bad
1421 [13:30:30] <mzf> thanks Penix
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1439 [13:47:01] <mrproper> I can’t seem to start NTP using
systemctl start ntp or ntp.service. Am I doing something wrong
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1443 [13:48:10] <x37> im running debian wheezy and im trying to
install qt5. i added "deb
replaced-url
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1447 [13:50:31] <yottanami_> I just installed Debian on my laptop
I have Windows on it too. but in fdisk -l I have this error
replaced-url
1448 [13:50:39] <yottanami_> Partition 2 does not start on
physical sector boundary.
1449 [13:50:53] <yottanami_> What is wrong in my partitioning and
how should I fix it?
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1452 [13:52:05] <x37> nvm, i found the issue
1453 [13:52:06] <themill> x37: did you apt-get update?
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1472 [13:58:55] <ElDiabolo> Hi. Is there a hotkey in
gnome/mate/xfce that unblanks the screen? Since moving to stretch my
laptop screen goes blank after an unpredictable amount of tiem and
does not unblank. Alt+Print+K kills X, but I would prfer to simply
unblank the screen.
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1475 [13:59:44] <ElDiabolo> Pressing an arbitrary key does not
unblank the screen.
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1478 [14:00:20] <mRCUTEO> hi
1479 [14:00:36] <mRCUTEO> anyone knows how to install gnome in
debian 8?
1480 [14:00:44] <mRCUTEO> i can't gnome in debian 8..
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1482 [14:01:01] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, use tasksel (from the command
line)
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1484 [14:01:17] <x37> so im back. i figured out the installation
of qt5-default but when trying to run a ./configure i still an error
saying its not found. is there a step i missed?
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1487 [14:01:45] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: yes i use tasksel but still
when i reboot and try to start gnome startx an error occured saying
X11 can't be found
1488 [14:01:47] <Penix> x37: what are you trying to do? built a qt
app from source?
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1490 [14:01:58] <themill> x37: qt5-default isn't development
headers
1491 [14:02:00] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: apt-get install gnome command
sufficient?
1492 [14:02:38] <themill> x37: the full output might be more
enlightening
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1494 [14:02:59] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Don't know, but this
looks like a different problem. Is any other desktop (mate, xfce)
working?
1495 [14:03:16] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: nope
1496 [14:03:23] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: all not working
1497 [14:03:37] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: they wont boot up and login
screen grey screen only
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1501 [14:04:02] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Is this a fresh install? How
did the problem start?
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1503 [14:04:30] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: yes fresh install debian 8.5
jessie
1504 [14:04:42] <mRCUTEO> sorry 8.4
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1506 [14:04:52] <x37> Penix, im trying to install a warzone2100,
getting tons of errors and having to go back and install tons of
packages
1507 [14:05:07] <themill> mRCUTEO: did you use tasksel?
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1509 [14:05:17] <mRCUTEO> themill: yes
1510 [14:05:28] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, What graphics card? Paste
lspci | grep VGA
1511 [14:05:36] <mRCUTEO> i just run tasksel and choose gnome and
gnome desktop
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1514 [14:06:03] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, This should work.
1515 [14:06:08] <x37> themill, im not sure about the importance of
development headers. here is the full output:
replaced-url
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1518 [14:06:21] <mRCUTEO> 06:04.0 VGA compatible controller:
Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G200eW WPCM450 (rev 0a)
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1520 [14:07:03] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: after installation the
tasksel just closed and thats it.. i reboot.. but gnome login screen
wont appear..
1521 [14:07:07] <mRCUTEO> just grey screen
1522 [14:07:10] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Use a pastebin to give us
your /var/log/Xorg.log.0
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1527 [14:08:12] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: im currently trying
reinstalling...
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1529 [14:08:18] <mRCUTEO> will try tasksel
1530 [14:08:23] <mRCUTEO> again..
1531 [14:08:26] <mRCUTEO> thanks for the info
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1533 [14:08:50] <themill> ElDiabolo: warzone2100 is already
packaged; using the packages would be a good start... or at least
looking at their build dependencies
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1536 [14:10:52] <x37> themill, already packaged? i have a tar.xz.
i found some link online that said i could just get a .deb, but i
didnt see it or
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1540 [14:11:42] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Reinstalling is rather a
windows way. It tends not to work on linux system.
1541 [14:12:02] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: You mean under terminal?
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1543 [14:12:14] <Penix> x37: apt-get install warzone2100
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1547 [14:13:11] <x37> Penix, what do i need in my sources.list? i
have wheezy-backports and wheezy-update
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1549 [14:13:59] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Not sure what happened, if
tasksel did not complete correctly, apt-get install -f might help
(or at least give a helpful output)
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1551 [14:14:25] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: okay thanks for the help
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1553 [14:16:01] <themill> x37: it's probably time to run a
supported release...
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1555 [14:18:34] <x37> themill, ?
1556 [14:18:42] <x37> themill, im not sure what you mean
1557 [14:18:52] <Penix> x37: you're running an old release
1558 [14:19:02] <Penix> x37: jessie is current stable
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1562 [14:19:45] <x37> can i easily upgrade? or id have to
completely reinstall?
1563 [14:20:06] <x37> i hate all these issues? will that make them
go away?
1564 [14:20:09] <Penix> yes, you can upgrade
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1566 [14:20:30] <x37> il look into it
1567 [14:20:32] <x37> thanks
1568 [14:20:37] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, Actually without success ...
:/
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1577 [14:25:03] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: whats not success? what you
mean :)?
1578 [14:25:37] <ElDiabolo> mRCUTEO, You do not have working
graphics.
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1580 [14:26:52] <mRCUTEO> ElDiabolo: oh but i tried install centos
and gnome and it works great but not in debian :(
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1582 [14:27:21] <themill> You need to give us some more
information about what isn't working
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1585 [14:28:54] <at0m> mRCUTEO: running a matrox g200, do you have
xserver-xorg-video-mga installed?
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1590 [14:29:49] <mRCUTEO> at0m: not sure will try to check now
1591 [14:29:49] <at0m> mRCUTEO: and firmware-misc-nonfree, as per
"apt show firmware-misc-nonfree | grep -i matrox"
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1613 [14:46:02] <kardborren> Hi all maintainers, here's a new
terminal emulator that might be nice to put into our repo:
replaced-url
1614 [14:46:31] <themill> dpkg: tell kardborren about rfp
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1619 [14:47:48] <kardborren> dpkg: tell themill thank you
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1651 [14:58:39] <mikejw> help I can't get my debian install
to boot after insalling windows on another partition :/
1652 [14:58:44] <mikejw> *istalling
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1654 [14:58:47] <mikejw> **installing
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1657 [14:59:16] <at0m> mikejw: windows doesn't
"see" your debian installation. reinstall grub from debian
boot medium.
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1659 [14:59:50] <at0m> mikejw: /msg dpkg help
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1661 [14:59:53] <at0m> oops
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1663 [15:00:12] <mikejw> I've been trying that
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1666 [15:01:07] <at0m> dpkg: tell mikejw about dual boot guide
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1673 [15:03:21] <ElDiabolo> Is there any way to turn screen
blanking off (on stretch)? Besides the usual energy otptions in the
GUI?
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1689 [15:14:41] <mikejw> I'm going crazy with this...
I'm going to try booting from supergrub disk
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1693 [15:18:19] <mikejw> damn does supergrub help reinstalling
over the MBR? I've finally got back into my debian install with
it but it would be nice to make it permanant
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1701 [15:20:24] <nkuttler> mikejw: man grub-install ?
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1703 [15:21:09] <nkuttler> mikejw: how do you break your booting
in the first place?
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1706 [15:21:33] <mikejw> I installed windows 8
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1709 [15:22:18] <nkuttler> yeah, grub-install should do the trick
1710 [15:22:30] <mikejw> I've tried chrooting and doing that
to no avail
1711 [15:22:43] <mikejw> but I'll have ago after fulling
booting from the linux system
1712 [15:22:54] <mikejw> *fully
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1715 [15:23:06] <kardborren> themill: I submitted the RFP, thanks
for pointing me in the right direction.
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1722 [15:25:54] <mikejw> nope hasn't worked!
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1724 [15:26:15] <mikejw> looks like I'll be booting via my CD
drive for the time-being :(
1725 [15:27:12] <nkuttler> mikejw: which command did you use, and
how does it not work?
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1727 [15:27:50] <mikejw> I ran update-grub followed by
grub-install
1728 [15:28:19] <nkuttler> and what was the output?
1729 [15:28:20] <mikejw> and it doens't work because when the
machine boots there is no grub menu it boots straight to the windows
partition
1730 [15:28:30] <mikejw> it said there were no errors
1731 [15:28:40] <nkuttler> what kind of errors
1732 [15:28:48] <mikejw> *no* errors
1733 [15:29:01] <nkuttler> grub-install needs a device as argument
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1735 [15:29:37] <mikejw> ok but I've tired that before
specifying /dev/sda
1736 [15:30:01] <nkuttler> you only have one disk?
1737 [15:30:34] <mikejw> I thought you needed to specify the drive
rather than the partition?
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1739 [15:30:49] <mkwia> what stage is stretch testing at?
1740 [15:30:50] <nkuttler> right
1741 [15:30:57] <nkuttler> /dev/sda is the disk your bios boots?
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1745 [15:35:57] <mikejw> nkuttler: yes
1746 [15:36:21] <mikejw> should I try grub-install specifying the
partition that debian is on?
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1748 [15:36:43] <mikejw> I.e. grub-install /dev/sda2 ?
1749 [15:37:11] <nkuttler> mikejw: no, the drive
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1760 [15:40:26] <mikejw> yeah well that's not working
1761 [15:40:28] <mikejw> damn
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1767 [15:41:47] <Rephlexie> mikejw, what machine is it?
1768 [15:42:07] <mikejw> HP Envy dv6
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1939 [17:10:08] <likcoras> Hi. When connecting to a server in
irssi, it freezes completely, after printing "Irssi: Connecting
to chat.freenode.net [35.156.219.172] port 6697" until (I
assume) it has finished connecting.
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1941 [17:10:15] <likcoras> Is this normal?
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1955 [17:16:23] <fp7> that does not sound like normal behavior
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1962 [17:20:57] <AlexLikeRock> abrotman, hellow
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1966 [17:21:25] <TomTomTo1> likcoras: yes, it takes a while. ask
#freenode for further information.
1967 [17:21:50] <likcoras> TomTomTo1: eh, I mean the client
completely freezes. Doesn't regiter inputs at all.
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1969 [17:23:17] <TomTomTo1> likcoras: no, that doesn't sound
right. are you using the version of irssi in jessie? you could try
the one in backports and compare.
1970 [17:23:40] <likcoras> Huh, I see.
1971 [17:23:44] <likcoras> Will try
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2008 [17:40:31] <GPenguin> strange. i keep reading that people use
"systemctl" but it seems to work when i use
"service". could somebody explain?
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2025 [17:49:54] <ompaul> systemctl works on all things systemd
service if it isn't a sys v init calls systemctl I don't
know about the other way around ... oh and ... well ... man
systemctl has lots of good reading in it also as does man service
actually there is a nice link at the end of the systemctl page
2026 [17:50:01] <ompaul> GPenguin: ^^
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2036 [17:55:35] <GPenguin> ompaul: thank you!
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2050 [18:00:40] <lopiuh> Hi there, need help witl read fs array
[read -ra GBL_function_array_return <<<$(echo
"$IN_strings")] someone?
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2062 [18:10:18] <lopiuh> anyone here?
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2065 [18:11:58] <teraflops> ._.
2066 [18:12:09] <AlexLikeRock> ^_^
2067 [18:12:18] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: o/
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2069 [18:14:10] <WildPenguin> why doesn't Debian make itself
more beginner friendly? the way Mint does.
2070 [18:14:42] <AlexLikeRock> WildPenguin, debian focuse at
STABLE DISTRO, not friendly
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2072 [18:15:05] <AlexLikeRock> next question WildPenguin
2073 [18:15:27] <AlexLikeRock> STABLE and SECURE
2074 [18:15:45] <WildPenguin> With such a large and knowledgeable
community, it can easily surpass Windows, if it makes itself more
appealing to beginners.
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2077 [18:16:10] <towo`> on which part debian is beginner
unfriendly?
2078 [18:16:11] <at0m> WildPenguin: email the manufacturers to
open up their hardware
2079 [18:16:12] <WildPenguin> No doubt about that. It is STABLE
and SECURE.
2080 [18:16:33] <phogg> WildPenguin: That's not what the
Debian project is or cares about. If you think it's a worthy
goal form a company that uses Debian as its base and fills in
whatever pieces you think are missing. SHuttlerworth did that, which
is how we got Ubuntu.
2081 [18:16:57] <WildPenguin> ok.
2082 [18:17:13] <phogg> or just start a project and attract
volunteers
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2084 [18:17:38] <lopiuh> where can I talk about a regression in
"read"
2085 [18:17:42] <WildPenguin> Can't even imaging comparing
Windows and Debian, in the matters of stability and security.
2086 [18:17:50] <babilen> lopiuh: #bash comes to mind
2087 [18:17:56] <TomTomTo1> the project is very much interested in
being accessible and friendly to users. and i think it is. if you
see room for improvement there are mailing lists to discuss ideas.
2088 [18:18:09] <AlexLikeRock> Miscrosoft take control of ubuntu
:-(
2089 [18:18:10] <WildPenguin> I totally agree with that.
2090 [18:18:25] <lopiuh> @babilen: thanks
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2092 [18:18:33] <lopiuh> #bash
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2095 [18:18:42] <WildPenguin> What? No. that shouldn't
happen.
2096 [18:18:55] <AlexLikeRock> WildPenguin, de big difference tis
windows are PRE-INSTALLED at pc/ laptops
2097 [18:19:06] <AlexLikeRock> debian not
2098 [18:19:21] <WildPenguin> ok
2099 [18:19:24] <amcorreia> I have a wireless intel 8260, I
installed firmware-iwlwifi from backports and didn't work, also
try to downwload firmware from wireless.kernel.org...Any thing else
I should try?
2100 [18:19:32] <nezZario> Hey guys, anyone here familiar with
CloudInit ?
2101 [18:19:48] <towo`> amospalla, after installing the firmware,
you have rebootet?
2102 [18:20:03] <nezZario> I am wondering -- with the
'multipart/combined' files, .. can you actually include a
bunch of partial cloud configs ?
2103 [18:20:28] <amcorreia> I think you meant, me? Yes, i`ve
rebooted.
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2105 [18:20:54] <towo`> amcorreia, dmesg | grep -i firm
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2107 [18:21:49] <towo`> amcorreia, and maybe you should even
install the kernel from backports
2108 [18:21:56] <amcorreia> towo`,
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2109 [18:22:21] <towo`> amcorreia, so it seems you need the kernel
from backports too
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2111 [18:22:37] <amcorreia> towo`, let me try..
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2137 [18:36:00] <russelsteapot> if i want to use cryptsetup to
encrypt an external hard drive, should i give it an LVM partition
just like you would the disk that is hosting the linux OS?
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2140 [18:37:00] <amcorreia> towo`, you were right, just needed
kernel from backports too
2141 [18:37:02] <amcorreia> thx
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2148 [18:39:49] <amcorreia> but docker stopped to work
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2151 [18:41:17] <qman__> russelsteapot: generally, for external
drives, LUKS is the way to go, which utilizes LVM - by using LUKS
most distros know what to do with it and if you have the software,
they'll even prompt you via GUI to unlock the drive
automatically
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2155 [18:44:48] <zykotick9> qman__: "LUKS.. which utilizes
LVM" <- it certainly doens't have to. for external
drive i creat a luks mount then format it with ext4 no partitioning
at all...
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2168 [18:54:57] <russelsteapot> zykotick9, qman__ so I dont even
need to partition the device? I can give it an ext4 format, then
encrypt it, and thats it?
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2171 [18:55:41] <qman__> russelsteapot: you don't have to
partition it but I recommend partitioning it, as partition tools
might corrupt your data if you don't
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2173 [18:56:07] <qman__> but you have it backwards, you first
(optionally) create a partition, then encrypt the partition, then
format the encrypted volume with your chosen filesystem
2174 [18:56:09] <zykotick9> russelsteapot: other way around.
encrypt then format. you end up with a sdx vs sdx# as your mount...
which is "uncommon" but works fine... ymmv ;)
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2176 [18:56:58] <zykotick9> russelsteapot: example "luksOpen
/dev/sdb sdb" "mount /dev/mapper/sdb /foo" type
thing...
2177 [18:57:20] <qman__> in my opinion, losing the ~1MB or so of
space to partitioning is worth not having to hassle with tools that
aren't smart enough to deal with unpartitioned disks
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2181 [18:58:21] * zykotick9 notes he ONLY uses this for external /
storage ONLY drives... for installs he uses the default
encrypted-lvm option...
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2183 [18:58:46] <teraflops> partitionless is fine but I think you
may encounter issues (I never found any)
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2186 [18:59:15] <russelsteapot> well, i dont think im going to be
using this external with anything other than my home comps that all
run debian anyway, so i guess partitionless would be fine....
2187 [18:59:18] <teraflops> s/found/faced/g
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2189 [18:59:37] <qman__> the issues aren't from normal
operation, they happen if you try to use a recovery or partitioning
tool that isn't smart enough to leave it alone
2190 [18:59:48] <russelsteapot> teraflops, oh if only sed worked
in irc
2191 [18:59:55] <teraflops> ot dual booting with windows lol
2192 [18:59:58] <teraflops> or*
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2194 [19:00:10] <qman__> yeah, windows will try to get you to wipe
it at every opportunity
2195 [19:00:21] <teraflops> lol
2196 [19:00:37] <russelsteapot> qman__, ah ok i see the advantage
now
2197 [19:00:52] <qman__> also, for example, if you accidentally
try to install grub to the disk, that will ruin a whole disk volume
and won't ruin a partitioned volume
2198 [19:02:09] <teraflops> talking bout sed, new upstream version
claims to be x10 faster :P
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2201 [19:02:19] <zykotick9> qman__: if you're writing grub to
the wrong location... you've got bigger issues. BUT that is an
intersting point.
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2203 [19:02:41] <qman__> so, to me, 1MB of space isn't worth
the potential hassles, it's completely insignificant
2204 [19:02:53] <teraflops> installing grub in a partition wont
harm I think
2205 [19:02:57] <teraflops> won't
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2207 [19:03:21] <qman__> if you luks encrypt a whole disk, then
put a volume on that, installing grub to that disk will destroy the
encrypted volume
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2209 [19:03:33] <teraflops> qman__: ah well
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2213 [19:05:28] <russelsteapot> zykotick9, qman__ ok, so I wrote
out the steps that I think I need to follow based upon what you just
told me, could you double check this and see if there is anything i
am missing/didnt understand?
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2214 [19:05:58] <qman__> that's still not correct
2215 [19:06:52] <qman__> 1. use gdisk to create your GPT
paritition 2. Use cryptsetup to encrypt your new partition with a
LUKS volume 3. Use mkfs to create a filesystem on your new LUKS
volume
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2221 [19:08:49] <qman__> russelsteapot: lots of detailed
information on how to use cryptsetup here:
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2222 [19:08:51] <ddybing> Hi! Not sure if I am in the right
channel, but I have some questions about resizing a partition in
Debian?
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2225 [19:09:07] <qman__> russelsteapot: not debian specific,
applies to cryptsetup on any distro, archwiki just has a really nice
write up on it
2226 [19:09:20] <russelsteapot> awesome, thx much qman__ ill start
reading
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2228 [19:10:40] <ddybing> I've resized a partition using
parted, and it shows up in parted as the correct size now, but when
running command df it shows up as its previous size.
2229 [19:10:57] <ddybing> Also shows up as previous size when
mounting it and sharing it trough smb
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2232 [19:11:07] <qman__> ddybing: to resize a disk, you must first
resize the paritition (which you've done) but then you must
resize the filesystem
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2235 [19:11:13] <qman__> ddybing: with ext2/3/4 that's
resize2fs
2236 [19:11:27] <ddybing> qman__: Ah, I see. Thank you! :)
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2239 [19:12:16] <qman__> ddybing: that's how it goes with a
grow, with a shrink, you have to shrink the filesystem first, then
the partition; I usually do those in 3 steps, shrink filesystem
smaller than I want, shrink partition to desired size, grow
filesystem to partition size
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2245 [19:12:39] <qman__> ddybing: and if you use LVM that adds
extra steps
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2249 [19:14:17] <ddybing> qman__: Worked brilliantly. Thank you!
Not using LVM on this disk - fortunately :-)
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2256 [19:17:31] <russelsteapot> qman__, sry to bug you again, so
at the end of the day the disk will only have 1 partition, being the
GPT parition, correct?
2257 [19:17:43] <qman__> russelsteapot: correct
2258 [19:18:03] <qman__> then luks will exist on top of that
partition, and your filesystem will exist on top of luks
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2260 [19:18:43] <wulllst> Hi, I just go a new wifi usb stick and
connected to my home network from my debian machine. This works. I
just wondered about one thing. This is an encrypted connection
(wpa2). However, when i run iwconfig, I see "Encryption
key:off" for my wifi device, while "iwlist scan"
gives me "Encryption key:on". Why could that be?
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2263 [19:19:10] <russelsteapot> qman__, thx again, uff, so many
things about disks and OSes that i still dont know...
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2290 [19:39:37] <thereyouare> anyone knows free dnstunnel services
? so I can have free internet ?
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2308 [19:50:30] <tdn> My machine just crashed (panic). After I
powered off and booted again, I was prompted with a Windows error
saying: "Error: Windows failed to start. A recent hardware or
software change might have caused the issue after you install
Windows Updates
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2311 [19:51:15] <tdn> However, I do never use Windows even though
Win7 is installed on this machine. I only ever boot Debian 8. Now. I
cannot seem to get Grub to appear.
2312 [19:51:43] <Riku> crash combo heh
2313 [19:51:55] <Riku> hmm windows may have overwritten the MBR
somehow
2314 [19:52:02] <tdn> I have no idea how this happened. The
machine came with Win 7 preinstalled (Lenovo workstation). And I
figure that Win7 has some hook in the bios that is triggered on
unclean shutdown.
2315 [19:52:17] <tdn> However, now it boots into this Window fail
screen instead of GRUB.
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2317 [19:52:25] <Riku> if you never use Windows, then why
didn't you install over it?
2318 [19:52:26] <tdn> Riku, but Windows was never started though.
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2320 [19:53:24] <missmbob> !fixmbr
2321 [19:53:25] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
2322 [19:53:33] <tdn> Riku, because I figured I might need it
because of an accounting program that I used sometimes back then.
After a short while, I figured I could just use VirtualBox in linux
so never booted Windows for several years.
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2324 [19:54:07] <Riku> rescatux can reinstall grub as well
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2326 [19:54:23] <tdn> missmbob, I did boot up on the debian
install usb. I then went to alt+F2 and typed: mount -t ext4
/dev/sda1 /mnt, and it failed. No such file...
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2330 [19:54:55] <missmbob> sda1 would probably be windows anyway
2331 [19:55:06] <tdn> missmbob, tried sda1..5
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2334 [19:55:19] <tdn> missmbob, and sdb1..5
2335 [19:55:21] <missmbob> then your hd probably bit it
2336 [19:55:27] <tdn> missmbob, bit it?
2337 [19:55:30] <bub_> there are no sdx there?
2338 [19:55:35] <bub_> /dev/sdx ..
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2340 [19:55:47] <bub_> err.. sda, sdb..
2341 [19:55:52] <tdn> bub_, find /dev/sda1,2,etc says that it IS
there.
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2343 [19:56:08] <bub_> and /mnt is there? :D
2344 [19:56:10] <sdx23> bub_: surely am I here!
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2346 [19:56:14] <tdn> bub_, /mnt is there also
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2349 [19:56:41] <bub_> what does fdisk say?
2350 [19:56:51] <tdn> bub_, no fdisk in that busybox
2351 [19:56:57] <tdn> bub_, nor lsblk
2352 [19:57:36] <tdn> This is the screen I get
replaced-url
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2355 [19:59:19] <win32> Hi here =) any help how to convert my IP
to my hostname!
2356 [19:59:24] <abrotman> DNS
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2358 [19:59:49] <bub_> tdn, so you're using a rescueusb of
some sort?
2359 [19:59:58] <tdn> bub_, debian isntall cd as the dpkg bot said
2360 [20:00:00] <win32> i have edited /etc/host IP - > domain
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2362 [20:00:05] <win32> stil not working =D
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2365 [20:00:41] <bub_> tdn, and there's way to run fdisk
there? what kind of rescue is that.. why don't you try a linux
live usb of some sort, and have a look
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2367 [20:01:01] <tdn> bub_, which one
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2370 [20:03:24] <bub_> I don't know.. but did you google the
error you get when you try to mount?
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2374 [20:03:49] <tdn> bub_, I google the error and get a WHOLE LOT
of stuff from microsoft
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2380 [20:05:13] <bub_> I'm thinking of the 'no such
file' .. or whatever error you get when you try to mount
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2383 [20:08:00] <tdn> bub_, I use LUKS. Not sure if that causes
problems.
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2385 [20:08:08] <tdn> bub_, /boot should be clear text and
mountable, though
2386 [20:08:16] <tdn> bub_, but everything else is LUKS
2387 [20:08:43] <tdn> sync
2388 [20:08:50] <tdn> Sorry, wrong terminal
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2399 [20:13:33] <tdn> Just downloaded a bigger debian live cd.
What is default root password?
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2401 [20:13:54] <somiaj> tdn: just use sudo
2402 [20:14:04] <somiaj> tdn: sudo su -, then set your own
password.
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2427 [20:25:57] <tdn> I just checked lsblk/fdisk on debian livecd.
It simply does not see my primary disk.
2428 [20:26:01] <tdn> It is not present at all.
2429 [20:26:17] <tdn> The secondary data disk is there. But the
primary one (an OCZ SSD) is simply not present.
2430 [20:26:19] <jhutchins> win32: What are you actually trying to
do?
2431 [20:26:30] <tdn> Just checked the BIOS. It is not present in
there either.
2432 [20:26:37] <tdn> Is this a normal failure mode for an SSD?
2433 [20:26:42] <win32> jhutchins: wanna my IP from to make with
my DNS name example.domain.com
2434 [20:27:02] <win32> jhutchins: i have change /etc/host IP
-> dnsname
2435 [20:27:07] <win32> stil not working.
2436 [20:27:15] <jhutchins> tdn: Try lspci
2437 [20:27:18] <tdn> I opened the case and checked all SATA and
powercables. Everything was put in tight. I replugged the ones on
the missing disk. Still not present in either debian live or BIOS
2438 [20:27:27] <somiaj> tdn: sometimes it is just a bad cable.
2439 [20:27:47] <tdn> jhutchins, pci? Is SATA on the PCI bus?
2440 [20:27:59] <somiaj> tdn: others it is a bad controler on the
drive, rarely is it a single bad sata port, but that is also a
possiblity.
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2442 [20:28:10] <somiaj> tdn: there is also lshw.
2443 [20:28:16] <jhutchins> tdn: If it's not showing up in
the BIOS then it's not there. Dead.
2444 [20:28:41] <jhutchins> win32: What did you try to do? How did
you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened
instead?
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2446 [20:29:17] <jhutchins> win32: Your hostname and your IP are
two different things.
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2448 [20:30:02] <jhutchins> win32: You set the hostname with the
hostname command, your IP is either configured in the interfaces
file or via DHCP, or sometimes by Network Manager.
2449 [20:30:05] <tdn> somiaj, not there in lshw nor in lspci
2450 [20:30:11] <win32> 89.36.211.6 win32.jakujam.org
2451 [20:30:11] <win32> root@win32:~#
2452 [20:30:28] <win32> any tutorial ? jhutchins .
2453 [20:30:36] <jhutchins> win32: You can put a hostname/IP
adddress pair in /etc/hosts and the resolver will be able to find
the IP for the hostname.
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2456 [20:31:14] <blastwave> is there a chan to ask about compiling
the linux stable kernel? I ran into a seg fault very early in the
compile stage
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2465 [20:32:06] <somiaj> blastwave: complining it on debian? Have
you followed the advise in the debian handbook?
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2467 [20:32:18] <jhutchins> win32:
replaced-url
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2470 [20:33:05] <blastwave> somiaj: well generally yes
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2472 [20:33:34] <blastwave> somiaj: this is just an experimental
meachine and it has worked well with five or ten linux kernel
releases for months and months
2473 [20:33:37] <blastwave> until today
2474 [20:33:54] <blastwave> somiaj: currently running Linux vesta
4.8.12_genunix_201612084055234 #1 SMP Thu Dec 8 06:37:45 EST 2016
x86_64 GNU/Linux
2475 [20:34:22] <blastwave> somiaj: just tried a compile of 4.9.1
with the same .config file .. a few adjustments .. nothing fabulous
..
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2477 [20:34:34] <blastwave> somiaj: and 2 minutes in .. whammo ..
seg fault
2478 [20:34:48] <jhutchins> win32: If you want to resolve just
"win32", put that by itself on the same line in the hosts
file.
2479 [20:35:11] <jhutchins> win32: To test resolving it, you can
ping win32, dig win32, or host win32.
2480 [20:35:22] <blastwave> so I see a chan over at irc.oftc.net
called #kernelnewbies so I will go bother folks there
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2483 [20:36:10] * blastwave pardons himself and wanders off to
irc.oftc.net
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2488 [20:38:43] <jhutchins> lspci just shows the sata controllers,
not the devices themselves.
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2497 [20:41:16] <win32> jhutchins: thnx
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2500 [20:42:05] <jhutchins> win32: Happy learning!
2501 [20:42:15] <win32> jhutchins: hope :D
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2579 [21:15:59] <dan-bunsenlab> hi can anyone guide me after
remotely updaating a rpi via ssh then disconnecting after a reboot
of my machine i get a pop up window telling me a about the Rpi
update how can i remove this information window?
2580 [21:16:35] <somiaj> dan-bunsenlab: are you running raspbian?
2581 [21:16:49] <dan-bunsenlab> on the ssh host pi
2582 [21:17:26] <dan-bunsenlab> after disconnet and reboot of the
client machine i get an information window telling me about the rpi
update
2583 [21:17:56] <dan-bunsenlab> it has seem to saved
oldconfigfiles to my home folder
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2585 [21:18:09] <dan-bunsenlab> so i deleted that and still get
the info window
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2588 [21:19:46] <cjh2201> Alright, question
2589 [21:19:58] <cjh2201> Is anyone with a new install having
trouble with signed certificates?
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2591 [21:20:24] <nkuttler> cjh2201: trouble?
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2593 [21:21:06] <cjh2201> correct, nkuttler
2594 [21:21:19] * awal1 thinks that pdfchain (gtk front-end for pdftk)
is a great tool for work with pdf files (split...) :P
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2596 [21:21:26] <cjh2201> install a few days old, all sites I
attempt to visit run into certificate problems
2597 [21:21:32] <cjh2201> Checked the certs, they're
basically current
2598 [21:21:39] <cjh2201> can post info if required
2599 [21:21:59] <nkuttler> cjh2201: chromium?
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2601 [21:22:19] <cjh2201> any browser actually
2602 [21:22:25] <GNU\colossus> is your host's clock/local
time OK?
2603 [21:22:29] <cjh2201> currently Dillo, Conkeror
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2605 [21:22:32] <cjh2201> no, come to think of it
2606 [21:22:38] <cjh2201> If that's the cause I
2607 [21:22:43] <cjh2201> *I'm going to be highly upset
2608 [21:22:48] <GNU\colossus> ;)
2609 [21:22:50] <GNU\colossus> check it
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2613 [21:23:53] <somiaj> cjh2201: do you have security sources
enabled. What is the outout of apt-cache policy chromium?
2614 [21:24:20] <nkuttler> somiaj: they said all browsers
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2616 [21:24:44] <somiaj> ,v firefox-esr
2617 [21:24:45] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie:
45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.6.0esr-1~deb7u1;
jessie-security: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates:
45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.6.0esr-1; stretch: 45.6.0esr-1
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2619 [21:25:00] <cjh2201> Any browser I use will put up a
"invalid cert" prompt
2620 [21:25:10] <cjh2201> I've updated the time/date (it was
2012, lol)
2621 [21:25:13] <cjh2201> Let me retry
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2625 [21:26:45] <luffy> if i have a running console application in
a server machine that outputs progress to standar output. How can I
monitor that progress from ssh? (Consider the application is started
from a terminal in the server machine)
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2628 [21:27:10] <nkuttler> luffy: the easiest it to start it
inside screen/tmux
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2630 [21:28:13] <cjh2201> well hot damn, thanks a ton GNU\colossus
2631 [21:28:24] <cjh2201> that fixed it. I didn't consider
that affecting certs
2632 [21:28:26] <GNU\colossus> you're welcome
2633 [21:28:39] <nkuttler> cjh2201: yeah, certs expire, etc
2634 [21:28:57] <luffy> nkuttler: thanks i just read about that
tool and wasn't sure if that was posible
2635 [21:28:58] <cjh2201> They were up-to-date according to
ca-certificates but it must have been the clock messing with them
2636 [21:29:02] <GNU\colossus> correct system time is a
fundamental ingredient for verifying TLS certificate validity
2637 [21:29:08] <cjh2201> neat
2638 [21:29:10] <cjh2201> thanks again
2639 [21:29:15] <GNU\colossus> np
2640 [21:29:19] <nkuttler> !tell cjh2201 about set time
2641 [21:30:24] <luffy> nkuttler: The application I'm running
it's programmed by my. Is any way I can make a native way of
comunicating to it? like a local socket or a stream?
2642 [21:30:55] <nkuttler> luffy: just make a logfile? or a named
pipe, or...
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2644 [21:31:29] <nkuttler> luffy: or do you mean communicate both
ways?
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2646 [21:32:38] <luffy> nkuttler: mmm let's just say only in
one way. my app only outputs log lines
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2648 [21:33:07] <luffy> nkuttler: also it should always run, for
days
2649 [21:33:26] <nkuttler> luffy: i'd probably just use a
logfile. gives you a history for free
2650 [21:33:27] <armin> urxvt: No possible fonts! at
/home/armin/.urxvt/ext/font-size line 401.
2651 [21:33:31] <armin> damn i solved this once
2652 [21:33:35] <armin> anyone a clue what i'm missing?
2653 [21:33:43] <luffy> nkuttler: i want to be able to connect by
ssh to the server and check the output from time to time
2654 [21:33:55] <nkuttler> luffy: tail -f /path/to/logfile
2655 [21:34:07] <thereyouare> this is a mad house
2656 [21:34:12] <thereyouare> let me out
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2658 [21:34:12] <jhutchins> luffy: Run it in screen or tmux, or
have it write it's output to a logfile.
2659 [21:34:35] <luffy> nkuttler: so there is no problem even if
the file is still open and being writen to by the app?
2660 [21:34:54] <nkuttler> luffy: no
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2703 [21:55:30] <feliks> are these kernel parameters unique to
arch or are they available in debian as well?
2704 [21:55:51] <feliks> cryptdevice cryptkey (see for comparison:
replaced-url
2705 [21:56:44] <feliks> or: what is the debian way of using grub
to mount a partition with a key file rather than asking for a
password?
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2727 [22:07:51] <zuzzas> Hey, guys. Are context switches counted
in the SYS CPU time?
2728 [22:08:08] <awal1> Which pkg is needed for make my debian
detect my android phone when plugged, so auto-mounted so I can
transfer stuff (debian «---» phone) within x file
manager (pcmanfm)?
2729 [22:08:49] <awal1> well, installing 'gvfs-backends'
solves the situation; but I tought there maybe another way (?)
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2732 [22:10:21] <jhutchins> !encryption
2733 [22:10:22] <dpkg> Encryption is useful to keep data protected
on your system. There is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted
partitions at
replaced-url
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2735 [22:11:17] <jhutchins> awal1: Kindof depends on the phone,
they're not all the same.
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2737 [22:11:49] <jhutchins> awal1: Looking at what dmesg says when
you connect it can give you some clues.
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2740 [22:13:13] <awal1> jhutchins: no clue here, no much idea
about phones. I just know that when I plug my google nexux android
phone, debian doesn't detect it at all; but installing
gvfs-backend all fine now
2741 [22:13:26] <awal1> ok, next time I check dmesg; havent had
that idea before
2742 [22:13:53] <awal1> gvfs-backends
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2745 [22:16:11] <teraflops> awal1: because gnome uses gvfs for
mounting mtp volumes
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2749 [22:17:37] <awal1> teraflops: I just use openbox, and a few
other wm's, not gnome. I know gvfs-backends is gnome related,
that's why I asked if there is another way
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2758 [22:20:47] <teraflops> awal1: sorry I missed context I just
joined
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2762 [22:21:39] <awal1> np, teraflops
2763 [22:21:42] <teraflops> awal1: yeah I think so, not sure if I
also missed that you already read
replaced-url
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2767 [22:22:41] <teraflops> mtpfs works for me too
2768 [22:22:59] <awal1> teraflops, ok, thanks for the link
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2775 [22:24:11] <teraflops> np
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2787 [22:30:55] <Gilfoyle-> Bah, screw broken packages. >_>
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2804 [22:39:12] <shazzr> Anyone know of a simple tutorial to
install the twitter client corebird? Tried to install fom github,
but was stopped by a gettext package that wasn't the
preferrable version...
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2830 [22:46:19] <jordanblabla> hi everyone is it possible to run
apt-get offline?
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2832 [22:46:35] <jordanblabla> like downloading the packages, then
lateron install them?
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2842 [22:51:44] <siiky> -d flag
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2844 [22:52:30] <dvs> oh... flag.
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2846 [22:52:34] <dvs> ;-)
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2849 [22:53:55] <siiky> lol what? did i miss something?
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2873 [23:02:14] <jscoder> I can't find a passwords and keys
setting in mate, does anyone know what package may need to be
installed for the keyring control panel in mate?
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2880 [23:04:26] <abrotman> Was it maybe Seahorse in Gnome2?
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2890 [23:06:52] <oaps> hello!
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2896 [23:08:16] <oaps> i have a server with encrypted swap
(cryptswap1 /dev/mapper/server-swap_1 /dev/urandom
swap,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 in /etc/crypttab) and after an
upgrade to jessie it prompts for a password on boot, even though i
have a key file set. how do i prevent that?
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2904 [23:11:36] <jscoder> abrotman: hmm, that may be right, I
thought seahorse was something else.. getting it confused with
seamonkey.. I'll try that.
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2908 [23:13:04] <jscoder> dpkg operations nearly kill this
machine. Its a Celeron M 1.8ghz w/ 1gb ram, and I can hardly do
anything on the system while dpkg is running
2909 [23:13:04] <dpkg> jscoder: what are you talking about?
2910 [23:13:12] <jscoder> heh, not you
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2913 [23:13:54] <oaps> jscoder: what filesystem?
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2915 [23:14:14] <jscoder> ext4
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2917 [23:14:39] <oaps> ah. dpkg + btrfs is pretty horrible on slow
machines, but i've never used ext4.
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2919 [23:15:12] <jasabella> if you had two disks and didnt
particularly care about the data, would you RAID1 or RAID0 them?
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2921 [23:15:15] <jscoder> well I should also mention the HDD is
sata but connected via usb.. so..
2922 [23:15:27] <jscoder> thats probably the real issue
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2940 [23:22:11] <jscoder> it just took me 8 minutes to change my
terminal color and another minute to close the dialogs. heh
2941 [23:22:28] <jscoder> its probably the usb killing it, this is
undoubtedly usb 1.1 on here
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2948 [23:24:12] <jscoder> its really annoying but this particular
machine has no sata interface so I guess there's not anything I
can do about it. Takes forever to install packages. I don't
understand it because I get data speeds of up to 25mb/s on the drive
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2962 [23:26:41] <abrotman> jasabella: how much is "don't
care" ?
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2967 [23:30:01] <jscoder> apparently the amount of I/O during dpkg
is reaching the bandwidth limit of the usb bus or something, hanging
me up in kernel land on io waits
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2980 [23:35:04] <jscoder> jasabella: raid 0 is mirror and both
offers redundancy for data protection as well as improves speed of
access of the data, where as raid 1 is basic striping which
increases storage size. So in Raid0 with two 1tb drives, you end up
with a fast 1tb storage that can tolerate a 1 disk failure without
loss, and with Raid1 you get a slower 2tb storage that cannot
tolerate a disk failure without loss
2981 [23:35:46] <jscoder> well thats not entirely accurate.. Raid1
isn't exactly the same as lvm
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2983 [23:36:09] <digdilem> i think you'e got 1 and 0 reversed
there
2984 [23:36:14] <Rune> isnt it opposite? raid 1 mirror, raid 0
stripe?
2985 [23:36:17] <Rune> yeh
2986 [23:36:30] <jscoder> oh really? doh!
2987 [23:36:39] <digdilem> :)
2988 [23:36:41] <Rune> go fix your servers, they are off by 1 :p
2989 [23:36:42] <Rune> :D
2990 [23:37:34] <jscoder> yeah I have no servers, so I'm good
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2993 [23:38:29] <jscoder> but yes, you are right Raid1 is mirror,
Raid0 is striping, I remembered wrong. Raid0 is somewhat similar to
simply lvm two disks together though
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2996 [23:39:19] <jscoder> as far as storage size and failure
tolerence is concerned
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3001 [23:40:02] <Fayn> i'm running Debian 8 in systemd-nspawn
container using host's X server and pulseaudio. idea is to test
certain wine program but it crashes shortly after startup to this
error < dri2_util.c:199: isDRI2Connected: Assertion
`dri_state->base.fd >= 0' failed. >. is it possible to
somehow force software mode in libva, as i think its graphics driver
acceleration related error?
3002 [23:40:06] <jscoder> so in short, the simple answer is, if
you don't care about the data and want more storage you go
Raid0
3003 [23:41:01] <abrotman> you have to not care 100% (or have
other ttypes of backups), if you lose a single drive in RAID0, you
lose your data
3004 [23:41:17] <Fayn> graphical programs like xclock work just
fine
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3006 [23:42:28] <jscoder> yeah, I personally don't even like
large single disks much less large multiple disks.. too much to lose
in one place. I like raid 5 usually, its a compromise between the
two but requires at least 3 disks
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3009 [23:43:22] <jscoder> you get I believe n-1 storage with a one
disk fault tolerence, iirc
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3014 [23:44:57] <JohnA> Does anybody know if it is possible to
extract "dnssec-keymgr" from bind9 9.11 and run it under
stretch?
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3016 [23:45:52] <jasabella> hmmm i absolutely dont care about the
data on the server :)
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3019 [23:47:13] <jscoder> jasabella: well as I said Raid0 is the
dont care option, but as abrotman points out if either disk fails
you lose everything
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3022 [23:48:02] <jscoder> jasabella: raid 1 would improve your
speed and give you fault tolerance at the cost of half the storage
space
3023 [23:49:52] <jscoder> JohnA: I got no clue what you're
talking about, I interpret this to mean you want to run some package
from another branch, which is possible with either a backport or a
chroot. If you were to dumb it down or rephrase maybe I could be of
more help
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3039 [23:55:42] <jscoder> hmm.. well $@#! heh.. turns out seahorse
was the app I was looking for to fix this keyring dialog issue but I
have no idea what its got the login keyring passwd set to currently.
Doesn't seem to be the login password
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3042 [23:57:30] <awal1> How to reinstall x pkg and all it's
deps & recommends? reinstall pkg A and B (dependency) and C
(recommend)
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3049 [23:59:06] <jscoder> awal1: short of removing it and
reinstalling it there isn't a way. Doing what you propose would
require that something kept track of which recommend/suggest you had
installed and there isnt any such log
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3051 [23:59:26] <jscoder> I always thought it'd be a good
idea for the system to keep a log of what was installed and when,
but it doesnt
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3053 [23:59:58] <somiaj> jscoder: what makes you think it
doesn't. apt-get and aptitude both keep logs
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