• 0[00:00:48] <at0m> just make sure the user isn't logged in or running anything when moving its home
• 1[00:01:03] <RoyK> duude__: the best way is perhaps to change /etc/passwd and change the path to the home dir and then move the data over to the new path.
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• 3[00:01:44] <duude__> RoyK eh, I changed my mind a bit
• 4[00:01:46] <at0m> (ie. don't user@hostname:~$ sudo mv .. )
• 5[00:02:07] <duude__> I won't move the entire /home/ directory
• 6[00:02:28] <duude__> I'll just move the Downloads, Pictures and other subdirectories and same symlinks for them
• 7[00:02:41] <duude__> make*
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• 11[00:07:11] <jhutchins> duude__: What might be a better approach would be to mount a partition on your hard drive at /home
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• 14[00:10:11] <duude__> jhutchins, I thought about that, I kinda agree
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• 16[00:10:27] <duude__> but my concern is retaining the speed of the SSD
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• 18[00:10:45] <duude__> I want some things in /home/ to be on the SSD and others to be on the HDD
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• 20[00:11:28] <datapioneer_> Fairly sure you can't split the /home between devices
• 21[00:11:40] <BCMM> datapioneer_: sure you can, just symlink it
• 22[00:11:42] <at0m> duude__: if you're after freeing space on that SSD, moving the largest dirs could do, too, indeed. "du -hsx ~/* | sort -h | tail"
• 23[00:12:02] <datapioneer_> Why would you want to?
• 24[00:12:07] <at0m> that will give you the 10 largest items in your ~/
• 25[00:12:09] <BCMM> for example, i keep my /home/ on an ssd, but have symlinks to a filesystem on a hard drive for stuff like photos, videos, documents
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• 28[00:12:34] <BCMM> i.e. directories that will contain a relatively small number of relatively large files
• 29[00:12:37] <datapioneer_> I've never done that and I've worked with Linux since 1996
• 30[00:12:43] <BCMM> nobody cares what the seek time on a video is
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• 32[00:13:11] <BCMM> datapioneer_: *never* used a symlink to put an arbitrary directory on a different storage device?
• 33[00:13:29] <datapioneer_> yes, but not anything in the /home directory
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• 35[00:13:46] <BCMM> well, i don't see why not!
• 36[00:13:52] <at0m> ^^
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• 38[00:14:09] <BCMM> as to why you'd want to: in my case, because my photos and videos won't fit on my ssd
• 39[00:14:28] <BCMM> but i appreciate applications launching faster when their config files and so on are on fast storage
• 40[00:14:29] <at0m> i got media files on spinning rust, and symlink that to my home which is on SSD
• 41[00:14:44] <at0m> yea, same here
• 42[00:14:57] <BCMM> and linux applications are almost invariably completely well-behaved about symlinks, so it "just works"
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• 44[00:15:52] <BCMM> a more 1996 example might be moving some files that aren't performance-critical on to a NFS share
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• 60[00:21:11] <duude__> BCMM: Hey that's exactly what I'm looking to do
• 61[00:21:17] <duude__> How's the preformance of viewing pictures? Any issues?
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• 64[00:21:28] <BCMM> duude__: none, basically
• 65[00:21:35] <duude__> Awesome!
• 66[00:21:43] <duude__> Could I ask you to give me a brief guide how to do it please?
• 67[00:21:43] <BCMM> duude__: the symlink itself has negligible overhead, if that's what you meant
• 68[00:21:50] <duude__> Yup that's what I meant
• 69[00:22:28] <BCMM> as for the performance impact of having it on a spinning disc, well, it taking a few milliseconds longer to open a photo is simply not perceptible to a human
• 70[00:22:44] <duude__> so I know that I need to do it as root, the I'll go ln -s /home/username/pictures /mnt/hdddata/pictures
• 71[00:22:49] <duude__> And that should be it?
• 72[00:23:01] <BCMM> however, it will probably make a noticable difference when, for example, thumbnailing a large directory
• 73[00:23:04] <duude__> I went through the man page and the targets are very confusing
• 74[00:23:09] <duude__> Not sure what goes first
• 75[00:23:11] <BCMM> duude__: you don't want to be root to create the symlink
• 76[00:23:15] <duude__> I see
• 77[00:23:27] <BCMM> duude__: first of all, do you have a sensible filesystem on the hdd?
• 78[00:23:32] <duude__> BCMM: oh yes the HDD is slower I know that :)
• 79[00:23:40] <BCMM> i mean, not ntfs or fat32 basically
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• 81[00:23:57] <duude__> Yes, it's ntfs which I automatically mount upon system boot through fdisk and ntfs-3g
• 82[00:24:25] <BCMM> do you already have files on it? is it too late to pick a better filesystem?
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• 84[00:24:46] <BCMM> ntfs-3g is a fairly significant performance hit, if only because it's a FUSE filesystem
• 85[00:25:03] <brutser> BCMM: maybe you can help me out, i am scratching my head on this, i got in crypttab line with crypt_hdd /dev/disk/by-id/xxx keyfile luks,discard,noauto,header=header,keyscript=script - and for some reason on real hardware it prompts during boot "cryptsetup: Waiting for encrypted source device /dev/disk/by-id/xxx - on qemu it's not prompting for
• 86[00:25:03] <brutser> this and everything works as expected - i know it's the crypttab, because if i change /dev/disk/by-id to the actual /dev/sdb (or whatever the disk is called), it prompts for "cryptsetup: Waiting for source device /dev/sdb" - whyyy???
• 87[00:25:04] <duude__> I do have files on it unfortunately.
• 88[00:25:14] <duude__> Why? Because I dual boot windows
• 89[00:25:16] <BCMM> brutser: sorry, i know almost nothing about disk encryption
• 90[00:25:23] <duude__> I want to be able to access those files from both windows and linux
• 91[00:25:25] <brutser> BCMM: ok np
• 92[00:25:29] <brutser> anyone else maybe?
• 93[00:25:39] <duude__> Unfortunately Linux mounts NTFS much better than Windows mounts EXT4
• 94[00:25:50] <BCMM> duude__: fair enough. well, if you're OK with the reduced performance, this should work fine
• 95[00:25:57] <duude__> I'm fine with it :)
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• 97[00:26:31] <BCMM> duude__: *if* we're just talking about some boring data like photos, videos, documents. don't try and put, like, your .ssh directory or install programs on it basically, or you'll be fighting the lack of Unix permissions
• 98[00:26:47] <duude__> It is boring stuff like a lot of videos :P
• 99[00:26:51] <duude__> Movies mainly
• 100[00:27:20] <duude__> So in the "ln -s, path1 path2" The second path is the path of symlink and the 1st path is the path of the directory
• 101[00:27:24] <BCMM> duude__: so, first of all, make sure you've got a directory that your user can read and write on the target filesystem
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• 103[00:27:31] <duude__> I got a bit confused, I'm literally checking out the man page again
• 104[00:27:45] <duude__> Alright, check
• 105[00:28:17] <BCMM> duude__: 2. move your stuff over to the new location 3. create symlinks in the location that your stuff used to be
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• 108[00:28:50] <duude__> The directory which I want to symlink is /home/myusername/Downloads, and the target directory is /mnt/hdd_data/Nix/Downloads
• 109[00:28:53] <duude__> They're both empty.
• 110[00:29:05] <BCMM> duude__: the *second* argument will be the location where the link is created. the first argument is the target of the link
• 111[00:29:08] <duude__> My only issue is that I confuse what goes first in the "ln -s" command
• 112[00:29:17] <BCMM> duude__: if it helps, that kind of follows the way `cp` works
• 113[00:29:47] <duude__> ah
• 114[00:29:51] <BCMM> except instead of creating a copy of your file, it creates a thing which kind of looks like a copy but will stay in sync
• 115[00:30:12] <duude__> So if I want the data to be on the hdd, and the symlink to be on the ssd, then it goes ln -ls hdd_path ssd_path
• 116[00:30:14] <duude__> Neat!
• 117[00:30:35] <duude__> Will the "ln" command automatically overwrite a directory? or do I have to remove it first?
• 118[00:30:50] <BCMM> i think it will warn if it's going to overwrite
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• 120[00:31:33] <BCMM> so, for example, `mv ~/Downloads /mnt/spinning_rust/; ln -s /mnt/spinning_rust/Downloads ~/Downloads`
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• 125[00:33:58] <duude__> BDMM: That's it! Should work :) Gonna do it now
• 126[00:34:30] <BCMM> it might be a good idea to have backups, if that's practical. just in case you do somehow overwrite something
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• 128[00:35:09] <BCMM> (but it shouldn't be possible unless you pass -f)
• 129[00:35:30] <BCMM> duude__: oh, by the way, is it windows 10?
• 130[00:35:51] <BCMM> you need to watch out for something when sharing an ntfs partition with windows 10
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• 136[00:38:52] <duude__> BCMM: it is win10
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• 141[00:41:47] <BCMM> duude__: i apologise if you already know this, but the default "shut down" behaviour in win10 is weird
• 142[00:42:24] <BCMM> basically, when you tell it to shut down, what it actually does is more like "log out then hibernate" (turns out that resuming from hibernation is faster than a clean boot in NT)
• 143[00:42:59] <BCMM> so if you shut down win10 and then boot up linux, you'll find the NTFS drive was never unmounted by windows
• 144[00:43:27] <BCMM> there's an option you can change to make it do a real, old-fashioned shutdown, but i can't remember what it's called. something to do with "fast boot", maybe
• 145[00:43:49] <duude__> Oh no need to apologize for anything man, I didn't know that :)
• 146[00:44:02] <duude__> I bet you're actaully twice my age. I'm still in HS.
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• 148[00:44:29] <duude__> If anything, I should apologize for taking your time. Thank you so much for helping me out
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• 150[00:45:26] <duude__> BCMM: I just checked, yes it is indeed fast boot. It's disabled on Windows LTSC by default.
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• 152[00:45:30] <duude__> Mine doesn't hibernate haha
• 153[00:45:42] <BCMM> ah, that's ok then
• 154[00:45:56] <duude__> I actually have another problem with Debian
• 155[00:45:59] <BCMM> watch out that they don't flip it on in the next ltsc release or whatever!
• 156[00:46:07] <duude__> I will
• 157[00:46:23] <duude__> Whenever Debian suspends, it shows a blank screen and is unresponsive
• 158[00:46:56] <duude__> CTRL Alt F2 brings me up to the TTY
• 159[00:47:00] <duude__> and everything works fine
• 160[00:47:25] <duude__> However I can never go back to my desktop environment
• 161[00:47:32] <duude__> I'm a bit unsure how to proceed. Any ideas?
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• 175[01:00:21] <BCMM> duude__: what happens if you do ctrl+alt+f7?
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• 177[01:00:41] <BCMM> oh, this is specifically after suspend and resume... nvidia?
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• 181[01:02:11] <duude__> BCMM: Intel actually
• 182[01:02:21] <duude__> oh!
• 183[01:02:29] <duude__> ctrl alt f7 worked straight out of the box
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• 190[01:06:03] <PETURBG> hi
• 191[01:06:17] <dvs> oi
• 192[01:06:19] <PETURBG> other day i ask how to compile coturn... can someone repeait it again.
• 193[01:06:31] <PETURBG> ! compile
• 194[01:06:32] <dpkg> tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg
• 195[01:06:57] <PETURBG> dpkg no... it was with debian rules..
• 196[01:06:57] <dpkg> PETURBG: I don't know, could you explain it?
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• 198[01:08:11] <PETURBG> dpklg what i ermember was... First download apt-get source coturn... after that apt-get download-dependency coturn when everything is download then move source debian from debian to coturn source git and then dpkg-buildpackage
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• 200[01:09:02] <PETURBG> i need to confirm it .
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• 203[01:10:53] <BCMM> dpkg: dpkg is a bot, fyi
• 204[01:10:54] <dpkg> ...but dpkg is already something else...
• 205[01:11:01] <BCMM> uh, meant to highlight PETURBG there
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• 207[01:11:32] <PETURBG> BCMM thanks... can you confirm if this was what to work.
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• 210[01:11:51] <PETURBG> i to want to give thanks to that person who comment it...
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• 214[01:12:10] <PETURBG> ! compile dpkgf
• 215[01:12:12] <PETURBG> ! compile dpkg
• 216[01:12:24] <BCMM> PETURBG: have a look at replaced-url
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• 218[01:12:48] <BCMM> !ssb
• 219[01:12:48] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 223[01:13:09] <BCMM> ^if you happen to be trying to backport a package, have a look at that
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• 227[01:15:00] <PETURBG> BCMM no i just want coturn to compile latest coturn from git but to use debian directory...
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• 235[01:18:06] <BCMM> PETURBG: get the debian source package, replace the sources with sources from git, and try to buidl
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• 238[01:19:21] <PETURBG> BCMM when you mean replaces sources... you mean source directory ?
• 239[01:19:25] <BCMM> yeah
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• 241[01:19:45] <BCMM> debian-specific patches and configuration are kept separately
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• 246[01:20:34] <PETURBG> BCMM remember source is only one... and sources is multiply... so apt-get download source apache2, and download apache2 from git... then enter in debian source apache2 and move source directory in apache2 git directory... after that make...
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• 251[01:22:30] <mmx_in_space> hello all, help with this?
• 252[01:22:32] <mmx_in_space> replaced-url
• 253[01:22:56] <mmx_in_space> trying to ssh into my server via windows client putty
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• 255[01:24:20] <PETURBG> mmx you try it with key or with words...
• 256[01:24:37] <PETURBG> mmx ssh key or words...
• 257[01:24:47] <mmx_in_space> words
• 258[01:24:54] <mmx_in_space> that was a question right?
• 259[01:24:57] <PETURBG> mmx then this is strange...
• 260[01:25:15] <PETURBG> mmx... if you ask me... reinstall openssh-server... do you have something important on it..
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• 263[01:25:54] <mmx_in_space> nothing important on it
• 264[01:26:07] <PETURBG> mmx then apt-get purge openssh-server
• 265[01:26:14] <mmx_in_space> how do i reinstall openssh-server?
• 266[01:26:15] <PETURBG> apt-get install openssh-server
• 267[01:26:18] <mmx_in_space> okay
• 268[01:26:32] <PETURBG> apt-get purge openssh-server this will delete everything for ssh...
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• 273[01:29:33] <PETURBG> mmx what has you do so openssh-server get this error.
• 274[01:29:51] <PETURBG> is your ssh server has internet access. so someone can enter...
• 275[01:30:35] <mmx_in_space> please re-ask the question
• 276[01:30:42] <mmx_in_space> i don't understand
• 277[01:31:42] <PETURBG> mmx you put ssh-server " openssh-server " in your debian... so you can connect from windows... so is this computer with ssh is open outside " that someone can enter who is not from your house in your ssh " is your port 22 open for internet.
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• 281[01:34:09] <tomreyn> mmx_in_space: i think PETURBG is asking whether your SSH server is accessible form the Internet.
• 282[01:34:32] <PETURBG> tomreyn maybe someone has hacked his openssh
• 283[01:35:00] <mmx_in_space> this happens on the exact same debian setup on my local machine in a vm
• 284[01:35:17] <tomreyn> PETURBG: that or one of the million other possibilities
• 285[01:35:27] <PETURBG> mmx... did you repair your openssh-server issue ...
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• 287[01:36:03] <PETURBG> tomreyn... if he is user then someone has hacked him... this happend when i first time run server...
• 288[01:36:33] <tomreyn> mmx_in_space: do you have access to this debian server by other means?
• 289[01:37:07] <tomreyn> i.e. are you able to make changes to it now until you'll be able to login?
• 290[01:37:24] <mmx_in_space> i can access it by other means, yes
• 291[01:37:44] <tomreyn> good. so did you check what the server logged about this connection attempt?
• 292[01:37:44] <PETURBG> mmx is that server ?
• 293[01:37:58] <mmx_in_space> looks like reinstalling openssh-server fixed the problem
• 294[01:38:12] <mmx_in_space> :)
• 295[01:38:28] <PETURBG> mmx... now if you don't use openssh-server from outside intenret... just disable in router port 22.
• 296[01:38:54] <mmx_in_space> peturbg: okay. thanks a million and you too tomreyn
• 297[01:39:04] <PETURBG> mmx_in_space thank on you man.
• 298[01:39:11] <tomreyn> you're welcome
• 299[01:39:19] <mmx_in_space> :)
• 300[01:39:52] <PETURBG> mmx if someone day you wan tto run openssh-server from internet... use key digital or good password.
• 301[01:40:09] <PETURBG> and install maldetect.
• 302[01:40:18] <PETURBG> ! maldetect
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• 304[01:40:26] <mmx_in_space> peturbg okay.
• 305[01:40:33] <PETURBG> replaced-url
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• 307[01:41:37] <PETURBG> here is manual: replaced-url
• 308[01:42:53] <mmx_in_space> thank you
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• 312[01:48:23] <PETURBG> i just remember... my friend has sslh server for xmpp and 100 he uses web server https... so question is when someone visit his: yourdomain.com it comment it come from 127.0.0.1 he speak with sslh developer and he didn't understand him good. include he speak with xmpp who make manual how to run sslh.. soe someone know how to make sslh to show
• 313[01:48:23] <PETURBG> original ip in apache2 latest upgrade to show... someone comment o use stunel or other. he need proxy transparent... he need to compile it to use it becouse in .deb don;t come with transparency proxy... and for that i enter too in debian just in the moment i remember it .
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• 339[02:06:24] <PETURBG> correct sitll don't correct. my friend just confirm it.
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• 392[02:49:43] <hays> is there something that would prevent systemd from running mail in ExecStart?
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• 418[03:21:27] <shiin> something seems off with the linux-headers-4.19.0-5-amd64 package on mirrors right now, can someone confirm that, or is it just me?
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• 424[03:26:28] <Joit> yay i am back with debia 10 and even more ranting. 1. why is there no firefox normal anymore, just firefox esr
• 425[03:26:34] <LtL> shiin: if the name is correct apt doesn't see it at all
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• 427[03:28:29] <LtL> Joit: firefox esr is the only FF for at least the last 3 releases as far as i know
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• 430[03:29:33] <Joit> LtL: weird, at mx i think i remebered to see 2 firefox at synaptic, esr and normal and both with the same release number
• 431[03:30:33] <Joit> this esr has some options missing like the minipreviews at 'new tab' also it doesnt set my langugae, just stays at english
• 432[03:31:10] <Joit> language-+ even, this typing ..
• 433[03:31:41] <Joit> also seems the paranoia reached debian too, that a normal user can not realy be root too
• 434[03:32:27] <shiin> LtL, you gave me the right hint. It's the vagrant-vbguest plugin that already has an update.
• 435[03:32:34] <shiin> Thank you
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• 437[03:33:14] <Joit> also nvidia drivers are very hard to install, but seems its a source problem, and not sure how you really can solve that easy. but thats a moment too, where you want have root access
• 438[03:33:45] <Joit> or they are scared to add it to the reps atm
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• 440[03:36:43] <LtL> Joit: do you have non-free in sources.list?
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• 442[03:38:31] <Joit> LtL: i did add it now, and have it installed but it did take a long time until i figured it out
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• 444[03:38:47] <LtL> Joit: add contrib also
• 445[03:39:20] <Joit> i had to add 6 lines into sources.list, over synaptic it is a pain, because it relaod every time when you add a new line
• 446[03:39:30] <LtL> to all lines, and are you thinking of iceweasel?
• 447[03:39:34] <Joit> esle the depencies are not satisfied
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• 449[03:40:11] <LtL> Joit: meh, edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually
• 450[03:40:46] <Joit> yes, did that after some reading. but well, that is not really user friendly
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• 452[03:42:06] <LtL> Joit: i picked up FF 52 at mozilla.debian.net years ago and updated it manually for years
• 453[03:43:01] <LtL> its at 69.0.1 at the moment, esr is still intact but i never use it.
• 454[03:43:27] <Joit> how can you avooide the auto update from it over software management?
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• 458[03:44:14] <LtL> Joit: apt doesn't know about it. what it doesn't know can't hurt it... right!
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• 463[03:47:19] <Joit> LtL: yes, right. sometimes i got the feeling the last months, that this devs starting to work against the users as with thm
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• 465[03:49:46] <LtL> Joit: hmm, well debian has always swayed towards the server use case, but the desktop user still has plenty to work with.
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• 467[03:51:58] <LtL> the command line will most likely continue to be the most prevalent way to administer debian
• 468[03:52:20] <Joit> well that is at all distributions from say 18-19.xx
• 469[03:53:11] <LtL> case in point, synaptic won't even work under wayland, it still does in Xorg though, as you know apparently.
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• 474[03:56:28] <Joit> LtL: again because of the user rights ?
• 475[03:57:10] <Joit> i avoide wayland where i can, i dont have any good for this server.. until now every system on it did not work for me
• 476[03:57:49] <Joit> and i think they only make the mess greater as it is already
• 477[03:58:11] <LtL> Joit: not that I know of, no. it's just when Xwayland was deployed synaptic just didn't build right, many other things too.
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• 479[03:58:26] <LtL> Joit: yeah, you may be right.
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• 482[03:58:53] <LtL> and not just because wayland btw
• 483[03:59:27] <Joit> i still dont know anyway why they want a new shiny server, x11 worked stable and there are not really such shiny applications what need a super server
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• 485[04:00:07] <LtL> makes me wonder where debian is going though, it's come a long way since i started with it, not always for the best but thats my opinion
• 486[04:00:23] <Joit> and at the other hand i still dont know, what the guys from x11 did know, what now the new "devs" seems to do not
• 487[04:01:08] <Joit> i had debian as first installation, but then run into the problem, that a lot of the libs been to old for some of my things
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• 489[04:01:30] <Joit> now i tried alsmost al others and have to sasy all of it sucks hard, very disapointing
• 490[04:01:55] <Joit> mint, mandriva with grub2, ubuntu mx
• 491[04:02:15] <LtL> Joit: its always been behind on the latest, greatest, but it's damn stable and quite secure out of the box.
• 492[04:02:23] <Joit> mint have a source on it what hangs on every idiotic update 10 minutes
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• 494[04:03:21] <LtL> i haven't used anything but debian since woody, i did look at ubuntu.. no thanks to debian derivatives for me.
• 495[04:03:21] <Joit> and it does not even load something from there, that is so noobish, to set up a system like this
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• 500[04:05:33] <LtL> gotta run, see ya :)
• 501[04:05:44] <Joit> well i do some graphic things and other stuff, trying around.
• 502[04:05:53] <Joit> ok have a good evening or aftrenoon. bye
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• 514[04:14:10] <srg> Hi. In a debian Docker image, when performing automated package installs, should I use apt, apt-get, aptitude, or something else? What is recommended?
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• 520[04:20:29] <met> it doesn't really matter as the result is the same, but apt-get is available everywhere, even in the most minimal installs
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• 523[04:20:57] <themill> apt is explicitly not for scripting
• 524[04:21:21] <srg> themill: Ah, didn't know that
• 525[04:21:34] <srg> Ok so I guess apt-get is the best choice
• 526[04:21:37] <srg> Thanks
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• 553[04:46:07] <jim> themill, is there some apt-alike that -is- explicitly and specifically for scripting?
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• 574[04:56:59] <themill> jim: apt-get
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• 577[04:58:03] <themill> (not that it is particularly well designed for scripting, but the developers have undertaken not to introduce behaviour changes such that people's scripts broke)
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• 603[05:22:48] <jim> themill, I thought that was the original, meant as a test of the apt libs?
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• 646[06:17:36] <Rothgar> Is it possible or best to get LIS working so I use the normal Network Adapter rather than Legacy? If so is there an article on how to get it working because I am struggling on Debian 10 to find details
• 647[06:17:54] <Rothgar> this is for Hyper-V Host
• 648[06:17:59] <rawf> what is the proper way to update the symlinks for /vmlinuz and /initrd.img? Right now they are pointing to a kernel I've uninstalled.
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• 650[06:19:35] <Rothgar> Or should I just save myself the hassle and use a Legacy NIC >_<
• 651[06:20:34] <jim> rawf, do you install kernels by installing a linux-image* package?
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• 653[06:21:02] <rawf> jim: I did. Right now I'm trying to undo the changes made by installing the realtime linux package
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• 655[06:21:36] <jim> and uninstalling that package doesn't do that?
• 656[06:21:55] <rawf> removing and/or purging does not update those symlinks
• 657[06:22:46] <jim> generally you don't need those symlinks, at least on a normal system... do you make use of them for your own purposes?
• 658[06:22:58] <rawf> I have a nonstandard bootloader and it uses those symlinks to know which kernel/initrd to use
• 659[06:24:23] <rawf> I think for now I'll just replace the symlinks manually..
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• 661[06:27:01] <jim> I don't know what to tell you about the boot loader... I just know that lilo uses block lists written to a boot sector together with boot code, and grub has stages (in a bios/dos booting situation), stage1 also uses block lists written to the boot sector like lilo, but instead of booting a kernel from the block list, it boots grub stage 2 that way... from this point forward (aka with grub stage 2), grub knows how to find files (like config files and
• 662[06:27:01] <jim> kernels) by name
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• 664[06:27:49] <jim> rawf, what had you decide to go with this boot loader?
• 665[06:28:20] <jim> oops hold that thought, brb
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• 668[06:31:29] <rawf> this machine's BIOS reads/loads ther kernel / initrd itself, I don't have a normal bootloader setup
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• 671[06:32:06] <rawf> a manual call to linux-update-symlinks fixed my symlinks. now I can reboot
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• 673[06:37:44] <jim> rawf, very cool... you found a script that does it
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• 692[07:02:21] <saul> im running buster and installed the legacy nvidia drivers nvidia-detect recommended
• 693[07:03:15] <saul> but i noticed the NVIDIA persistence daemon was failing to start
• 694[07:03:28] <saul> it says it failed to query NVIDIA devices
• 695[07:03:49] <saul> and i noticed that i dont have any nvidia nodes under /dev
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• 698[07:08:08] <thehidden> helo
• 699[07:08:12] <thehidden> hello*
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• 705[07:17:32] <hanasaki> how do you specify all packages to come from stable. except one from testing?
• 706[07:18:20] <thehidden> well
• 707[07:18:27] <thehidden> in etc/apt/sources.list
• 708[07:18:47] <thehidden> you can list the stable package source
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• 710[07:19:13] <thehidden> and then the program you want from testing I assume you can download the debian website as a .deb file.
• 711[07:19:20] <thehidden> does this answer your question?
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• 715[07:22:20] <hanasaki> thehidden: helps. more info... actually want to be able to apt-get the package from testing yet keep the rest at stable
• 716[07:23:40] <beavis> what could be the cause i have no hibernation available in mate>
• 717[07:23:44] <beavis> it was there before
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• 734[07:41:00] <xormor> is it a good idea for me to use the latest stable kernel?
• 735[07:41:06] <xormor> Linux debianvakaavainamoinen 5.3.1 #1 SMP Fri Sep 27 21:45:31 EEST 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 736[07:43:27] <c0rnelius> does is work? if so ur fine.
• 737[07:43:45] <xormor> c0rnelius, yes.
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• 739[07:44:06] <c0rnelius> all good then.
• 740[07:44:13] <swivel> replaced-url
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• 742[07:44:47] <c0rnelius> i'm on 5.2.15 i thinks? and all seems fine to me.
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• 744[07:47:40] <xormor> c0rnelius, since it is the latest stable kernel, it has been debugged properly and well. I have never encountered kernel bugs in a way that the effects of them are displayed on my screen. I used to have kernel panics, but that was 10 years ago and once it was because I did an "optimization" the system told me not to do, it was on the hard drive.
• 745[07:49:38] <c0rnelius> generally new kernels ae the best route to roll down which is why I'm on 5.2.x, but nothing wrong with rolling 5.3. if it's working for you that is.
• 746[07:49:51] <c0rnelius> aren't*
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• 748[07:51:19] <ratrace> except this is #debian and we're using Debian because we want very stable, very tested and not SNS. so while it's okay to use latest kernel "if it works for you", consider why you're using debian in the first place ;)
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• 750[07:51:58] <c0rnelius> thats just software
• 751[07:52:06] <c0rnelius> the kernel is the kernel
• 752[07:52:25] <ratrace> and kernel is hardware? ;)
• 753[07:52:54] <c0rnelius> exactly
• 754[07:53:00] <ratrace> ho-kay.
• 755[07:53:13] <beavis> something made my system forget it's swap file
• 756[07:53:20] <c0rnelius> which isn't software related
• 757[07:53:41] <ratrace> so lemme be blunt. xormor: "is it a good idea for me to use the latest stable kernel?" The one in Debian Stable repository? Yes. The "upstream labeled stable"? No.
• 758[07:53:44] <beavis> also, any ,materials on how to properly dual booot with windows regarding time issues>
• 759[07:53:52] <ratrace> xormor: emphasis on "good idea" ;)
• 760[07:54:16] <xormor> ratrace, I understood.
• 761[07:54:44] <beavis> and how do i turn time synchronisation on?
• 762[07:55:09] <ratrace> beavis: with systemd-timesyncd service? which should be on by default, in buster at least
• 763[07:56:15] <beavis> replaced-url
• 764[07:56:22] <ratrace> beavis: ah for dual boot with windows, use timedatectl in debian and use its "set-local-rtc 1" command, to tell the system RTC is in local time, not UTC
• 765[07:56:40] <xormor> ratrace, this is just a desktop environment I wipe regularly with a reformat and repartition. I do not want to use "unstable" and "testing" Debian, so I use stable but sometimes I want to test out things. That is why I may use backports sometimes, and "more experimental" software. The kernel is the main program of the system, and while I often use the latest stable Debian kernel, from time to time I try the replaced-url
• 766[07:56:40] <xormor> difference in performance of the system.
• 767[07:56:53] <beavis> ratrace: yeah but tjen it shows up my time incorecrtly
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• 773[07:57:30] <ratrace> xormor: well there's nothing wrong or illegal with that :)
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• 775[07:58:12] <ratrace> beavis: then set it with `date`, once you set-local-rtc 1, and then enable systemd-timesyncd.service
• 776[07:58:20] <ZaZaGX> whats illegal?
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• 778[07:59:40] <ratrace> xormor: what you said last implies you know what you're doing, while your original question did not. if you know what you're doing, then sure, it's okay to use latest upstream "stable" kernel, because you know it's not been fully tested and things _might_ go wrong.
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• 785[08:04:59] <beavis> so back to time syncing
• 786[08:05:05] <beavis> what could be preventing this>
• 787[08:05:10] <beavis> ?
• 788[08:05:37] <ratrace> beavis: did you "timedatectl set-local-rtc 1"?
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• 791[08:05:50] <beavis> yes
• 792[08:06:00] <ratrace> okay, now set your local time with `date` command
• 793[08:06:06] <beavis> i did
• 794[08:06:33] <ratrace> okay, start and enable systemd-timesyncd.service
• 795[08:06:43] <beavis> replaced-url
• 796[08:07:35] <beavis> System clock synchronized: is still "no"
• 797[08:07:59] <ratrace> huh... RTC is never updated, it says? well... I guess you're out of luck then
• 798[08:08:21] <ratrace> beavis: what I did when I was dualbooting was deliberately letting windows have wrong time , and always use UTC and sync in linux
• 799[08:08:38] <ratrace> I used windows ONLY for games, in dual boot scenarios, so windows local time being off didn't matter
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• 804[08:09:17] <ratrace> if that's not okay with you, then I suppose you will just need to leave time unsynced in linux, and rely on your regular reboots to windows, to adjust RTC
• 805[08:09:19] <pclover> ratrace, you can tell windows to use UTC time
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• 809[08:09:45] <ratrace> pclover: oh? that's new to me
• 810[08:09:50] <pclover> Yes
• 811[08:10:05] <ratrace> which version?
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• 815[08:10:47] <pclover> ratrace, since 7 afik
• 816[08:11:28] <ratrace> beavis: then that's your answer if you have win7 or newer . Found this on arclinux wiki: replaced-url
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• 818[08:12:56] <ratrace> this being #debian and me not using windows for many years now, not even in dual boot, I suppose I can be forgiven for not knowing that :)
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• 821[08:14:25] <pclover> I wish i could use it as a primary desktop os. For my use case i can't. And rather not mess with VFIO when i need to use windows. :)
• 822[08:14:28] <pclover> tho getting ot now
• 823[08:14:34] <free_speech> ratrace, you could even be forgiven if you wouldn't even know that there's an operating system out there called "windows" ...
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• 827[08:17:10] <ratrace> free_speech: :)
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• 829[08:17:55] <c0rnelius> whats windows?
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• 831[08:19:49] <free_speech> c0rnelius, something that you can open to let fresh air into your rooms :-)
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• 833[08:20:29] <beavis> ratrace: thanks
• 834[08:21:06] <c0rnelius> ;)
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• 845[08:28:02] <free_speech> my wife asked me to please clean the windows, so I downloaded a GNU/Linux distribution and installed it on her PC at first place ... seemed not to be a good idea ...
• 846[08:28:20] <free_speech> ( and no, I'm not married ... it's just a joke, no more, no less)
• 847[08:28:31] <pclover> lmfao
• 848[08:30:12] <]BFG[> what needs a good healthy clean is system(d) out of all inux distros forever
• 849[08:30:23] <free_speech> *SIGN*
• 850[08:30:31] <]BFG[> like that bulk amount of shit what i did in the toilet in the morning
• 851[08:30:35] <]BFG[> was nice pulling it down
• 852[08:30:38] <ratrace> ]BFG[: #devuan is that way tho ---> :)
• 853[08:30:39] <]BFG[> that was systemd
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• 855[08:32:47] <free_speech> since #devuan is installed on my laptop, I can do useful things there instead of bothering with systemd ... so my tower PC will experience the same switch ...
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• 857[08:35:29] <free_speech> same for my public server ... systemd on a server is even more a sin than systemd on a workstation ...
• 858[08:35:30] <c0rnelius> why are peps crying about systemd?
• 859[08:35:49] <swivel> haters gotta hate
• 860[08:36:02] <pclover> I've learned to accept it but personally, I think it's doing too much.
• 861[08:36:09] <c0rnelius> move to an OS that doesn't use it if it's such a prob for you. prob solved.
• 862[08:36:37] <c0rnelius> does it work? yes? good
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• 864[08:37:00] <c0rnelius> i use systems that don't use it and all is good.
• 865[08:37:06] <c0rnelius> who cares?
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• 867[08:39:12] <c0rnelius> bunch of social media I wanna cry about something nonsense is all this is. go get on twitter and vent ur endless cries. no one in the real world gives any shits from what I can tell.
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• 869[08:39:56] <humpled> :D
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• 872[08:41:40] <swivel> vocal minority has definitely become much louder
• 873[08:41:58] <c0rnelius> it's just bs
• 874[08:42:18] <humpled> starting to sound like the anti-gnome3 people now
• 875[08:42:31] <swivel> hey it's a whole lot easier to be part of the peanut gallery than actually go build something
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• 877[08:42:46] <c0rnelius> no one is forcing anyone to use systemd
• 878[08:43:28] <c0rnelius> well gnome3 does suck. but thats just my opinion and guess what? i don't use it.
• 879[08:43:31] <c0rnelius> simples
• 880[08:43:53] <pclover> and i use both lol
• 881[08:44:34] <swivel> c0rnelius: that's not really all that relevant, there's a valid frustration when the distributions you've used for ages have embraced systemd and you're not interested but it was your preferred distribution for greater reasons
• 882[08:45:06] <swivel> i don't think anyone has claimed to have a gun to their head forcing them to use systemd
• 883[08:45:10] <c0rnelius> swivel: thats ur prob
• 884[08:45:18] <c0rnelius> learn other distro's
• 885[08:45:28] <c0rnelius> plenty out there
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• 887[08:45:42] <swivel> c0rnelius: when it's their problem, they bitch, and that's what we see.
• 888[08:45:51] <pclover> swivel, And that is the reason I've learned to accept it for what it is. It's mostly been ok otherwise.
• 889[08:45:55] <c0rnelius> or... not care about what they embrace and give it a try and stop being bias
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• 891[08:46:30] <swivel> it's not unexpected, nor is it unwarranted imho, there's some seriously legitimate complaints WRT systemd - especially when it was first embraced it was so broken
• 892[08:47:04] <pclover> c0rnelius, in commercial applications it may really difficult to drop a distro that is supported.
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• 894[08:47:23] <c0rnelius> i'm not a big lover of it myself, but do i hate it? and wish it was dead? nope.
• 895[08:47:57] <c0rnelius> its all a use case. if i'm not liking it in this use case I use a dif distro. prob solved,
• 896[08:47:58] <swivel> i worked for coreos a few years ago, and when i was hired one of the first things i was tasked with was to improve systemd-journald performance. Within a few minutes of my first attempt to measure its performance, just spamming it with od /dev/urandom | systemd-cat I was able to cause systemd-journald to segfault randomly
• 897[08:48:25] <swivel> that was a production OS shipping systemd as stable
• 898[08:48:56] <c0rnelius> pclover: why should a care about commercial?
• 899[08:49:12] <c0rnelius> ridiculous
• 900[08:49:19] <c0rnelius> I*
• 901[08:50:17] <pclover> sure if your not bound and it's all personal your free to do as you wish.
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• 903[08:50:32] <c0rnelius> as we all are
• 904[08:50:41] <c0rnelius> and so are commercial products
• 905[08:50:58] <c0rnelius> the argument is mute
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• 915[08:56:47] <c0rnelius> i find it fascinating how peps found a way to make a buck off gnu/linux and yet to still love and want to complain about it and at the same time add nothing to the venture.
• 916[08:57:05] <c0rnelius> cry cry cry
• 917[08:57:39] <c0rnelius> ur all free to do whatever you want... the license is right there, do it!
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• 923[09:02:23] <swivel> c0rnelius: i find it fascinating the utter lack of empathy you're demonstrating
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• 925[09:06:03] <humpled> empathy!
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• 927[09:10:28] <c0rnelius> thats because i'm not
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• 930[09:12:32] <c0rnelius> if you want empathy and shoulder to cry on go to church. we are talking about linux, yes? and all the way we can run it.
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• 932[09:13:24] <c0rnelius> well excuse me
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• 934[09:14:13] <c0rnelius> you do have options in this case
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• 1005[10:14:58] <ozfalcon> Need some help to compile xsane ie. where is the source for xsane located?
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• 1010[10:17:16] <swivel> ozfalcon: `apt-get source xsane`
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• 1012[10:18:36] <ozfalcon> No, That requires dep of sane (1.0.27) and I need to use sane 1.0.28 to support canoscan LiDE 400
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• 1015[10:19:02] <ozfalcon> I have sane 1.0.28 compiled and installed, I just need to install xsane to talk to it.
• 1016[10:19:48] <ozfalcon> The scanner is working (Using scanimage from sane).
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• 1018[10:21:23] <ozfalcon> Can I install xsane with apt and ignore dependencies?
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• 1032[10:29:45] <ozfalcon> I think I have found it
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• 1039[10:31:54] <xormor> "r8169 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load for rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw failed with error -2" and "r8169 0000:03:00.0: Unable to load firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw (-2)"
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• 1067[10:51:57] <jelly> ozfalcon: apt can't work with broken dependencies. Sometimes you can use equivs.
• 1068[10:52:00] <jelly> !equivs
• 1069[10:52:00] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
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• 1071[10:54:37] <ozfalcon> jelly, I downloaded the xsane & xsane-common packges & used dpkg --force-depends as a workaround for now.
• 1072[10:55:44] <swivel> you can also just crack open the .deb files and update their metadata to depend on the version you have, if they otherwise work OK with what you have (as implied by --force-depends), and put the .deb back together and install w/tweaked metadata.
• 1073[10:56:22] <swivel> or I imagine you can just do it in the apt metadata under /var too
• 1074[10:56:50] <ozfalcon> swivel, Problem is I have installed sane from source - So it has no package version as such.
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• 1076[10:57:55] <ozfalcon> Currently xsane IS working with compiled sane and the scanner is detected ok.
• 1077[10:59:00] <swivel> oh, if I were in your shoes i probably would have let xsane install with all its dependencies, and stick the built from source sane in /usr/local, that should take precedence and everything would look happy
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• 1079[10:59:53] <jelly> ozfalcon: that breaks any further usage of apt
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• 1081[11:01:05] <ozfalcon> swivel, Sane compile notes says: Please check that there aren't any older versions of SANE installed on your
• 1082[11:01:06] <ozfalcon> system. Especially if SANE libraries are installed in a different prefix
• 1083[11:01:06] <ozfalcon> directory (e.g. /usr/lib/) this may cause problems with external
• 1084[11:01:06] <ozfalcon> frontends.
• 1085[11:01:22] <jelly> and if you choose to repack changing the control file (dependencies) as swivel suggests, you'll have to put the packages on hold
• 1086[11:01:58] <ozfalcon> Which it did. I initially just installed the compiled sane and xsane still picked up the old version.
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• 1089[11:02:43] <jelly> safest thing to do would likely be making a proper local backport
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• 1092[11:03:02] <ozfalcon> Not sure how to do that
• 1093[11:03:26] <jelly> ozfalcon: which version of sane do you need?
• 1094[11:03:43] <jelly> ,v save
• 1095[11:03:44] <judd> No package named 'save' was found in amd64.
• 1096[11:03:45] <jelly> ,v sane
• 1097[11:03:46] <judd> Package: sane on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.14-9; stretch: 1.0.14-12; buster: 1.0.14-13+b1; bullseye: 1.0.14-15; sid: 1.0.14-15
• 1098[11:04:06] <jelly> huh, there's no 1.0.28 at all, yet
• 1099[11:04:23] <ozfalcon> Need sane 1.0.28. (sane-backends)
• 1100[11:04:30] <jelly> ,v sane-backends
• 1101[11:04:31] <judd> No package named 'sane-backends' was found in amd64.
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• 1103[11:04:49] <ozfalcon> replaced-url
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• 1105[11:05:04] <jelly> ,v libsane-extras
• 1106[11:05:05] <judd> Package: libsane-extras on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.22.3; stretch: 1.0.22.4
• 1107[11:05:19] <jelly> ,v libsane
• 1108[11:05:20] <judd> Package: libsane on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.24-8+deb8u2; stretch: 1.0.25-4.1; bullseye: 1.0.27-3.2; buster: 1.0.27-3.2; sid: 1.0.27-3.2
• 1109[11:05:54] <ozfalcon> Yes, Sorry it's libsane
• 1110[11:06:15] <jelly> ah. You'd have to try update the packaging for source package sane-backends from 1.0.27 to 1.0.28, and the try to build the debs
• 1111[11:06:23] <jelly> !simple sid backport
• 1112[11:06:23] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 1114[11:07:42] <jelly> instead of step 4) as is, you'd do just "apt source sane-backends", you'd download the newer tarball, then use "uupdate"
• 1115[11:07:46] <jelly> !uupdate
• 1116[11:07:46] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd replaced-url
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• 1119[11:09:03] <ozfalcon> I'm lost
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• 1122[11:10:19] <jelly> the end result would be .deb packages with 1.0.28
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• 1127[11:11:35] <jelly> which works better with apt than the same thing compiled and installed, but not packaged
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• 1130[11:14:26] <ozfalcon> Yes it would indeed, But I'm still unsure what exactly to do.
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• 1136[11:16:25] <jelly> ozfalcon: basically: enable deb-src repo for sid (unstable). Do an apt-get update. make and cd a directory you're going to do building in. Do an apt-get source sane-backends. Put the 1.0.28 source tarball in the same directory.
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• 1138[11:16:50] <irssi3> RMS is gone?
• 1139[11:17:10] <zamuro> !offtopic
• 1140[11:17:10] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 1141[11:17:19] <jelly> irssi3: that's not a Debian specific question, this is a tech support channel for a distro.
• 1142[11:17:26] <irssi3> jelly: FUCK you
• 1143[11:17:32] <irssi3> you have no respect for RMS?
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• 1148[11:17:37] <zamuro> !offtopic
• 1149[11:17:37] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 1150[11:17:46] <jelly> zamuro: no need to repeat
• 1151[11:18:10] <zamuro> I know. But he/she/it didn't
• 1152[11:18:45] <ozfalcon> jelly. Shouldn't I do deb-src for buster (Showing same ver of libsane as sid) as I'm using buster.
• 1153[11:18:50] <jelly> zamuro: and they wouldn't, and repeating would not help.
• 1154[11:18:54] <jelly> ozfalcon: no.
• 1155[11:19:51] <jelly> ozfalcon: the idea is to pick very latest source package scaffolding that is closer to your even newer upstream version
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• 1161[11:26:33] <jelly> ozfalcon: running uupdate in the older source tree, should result in it transplanting the packaging bits to a newer 1.0.28 tree, and then you can try building packages from that using for example: dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us
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• 1164[11:28:42] <ozfalcon> Ok, You will need to help me - I still don't quite understand what I'm doing. I have apt-get source sane-backend from sid sources. It has some tar files and .dsc file and directory now.
• 1165[11:30:39] <ozfalcon> (I have just uninstalled source compiled version ready for build/install newer deb version)
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• 1168[11:33:04] <ozfalcon> The new source folder is "sane-backends-1.0.28-511-gb6eef086" Should I put that in the same folder as the sid source sane-backends?
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• 1179[11:38:21] <jelly> ozfalcon: no, you need to put the new source _tar file_ in parent of sid source.
• 1180[11:38:58] <jelly> if you do not have a tar file but got the source using eg. git clone, you'll have to make it
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• 1182[11:42:19] <ozfalcon> Ok, I have the tar file. I'll copy that to parent dir of sid source.
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• 1185[11:42:40] <tdn> How viable is it to run ZFS in Debian 10? And if ZFS is not well supported or easy to use, then what other alternative options do I have in Debian if I want to ensure the integrity of my stored data? (protect agains data rot basically)
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• 1187[11:42:45] <ozfalcon> Basically I'll have to tar files in there the 1.0.27 and the new 1.0.28
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• 1191[11:43:50] <jelly> no
• 1192[11:44:15] <jelly> ozfalcon: where/how precisely did you get the new source from?
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• 1194[11:45:08] <jelly> tdn: judging by the traffic here, it seems a decent number of people use ZFSonLinux on Debian
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• 1198[11:45:39] <snooky> moin
• 1199[11:46:58] <ozfalcon> jelly, From here: replaced-url
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• 1201[11:47:37] <tdn> jelly, ok
• 1202[11:47:59] <tdn> jelly, and there are not other real alternatives, right?
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• 1206[11:49:16] <ozfalcon> jelly, sane-backends-1.0.28-511-gb6eef086.tar.gz
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• 1208[11:50:05] <jelly> good
• 1209[11:50:40] <jelly> tdn: maybe there are but I don't know, have never used zfs in real life
• 1210[11:51:01] <jelly> ozfalcon: good.
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• 1212[11:51:23] <ozfalcon> jelly, there is a specific 1.0.28 branch instead of Master should I use that?
• 1213[11:51:52] <jelly> ozfalcon: if 1.0.28 is good enough for your needs, sure
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• 1216[11:52:30] <ozfalcon> Yeah, I'll use the 1.0.28 branch just to keep things clean.
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• 1222[11:54:16] <ozfalcon> Ok I have dropped the "sane-backends-1.0.28.tar.gz" file in my "update" folder where I downloaded the sid source.
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• 1226[11:55:00] <ozfalcon> ie. it is sitting next to the "/update/sane-backends_1.0.27.orig.tar.gz" file
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• 1229[11:57:27] <ozfalcon> (I might actually learn something if this is successfull)
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• 1233[12:01:01] <ozfalcon> jelly, I know I shouldn't paste folder contents in irc, But it's only 5 lines. Should I post it so you can see what's in there sofar?
• 1234[12:02:02] <jelly> !pastebin
• 1235[12:02:02] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 1236[12:02:54] <jelly> ozfalcon: that's good so far, so now you "cd sane-backends-1.0.27" and run "uupdate ../sane-backends-1.0.28.tar.gz"
• 1237[12:03:03] <ozfalcon> replaced-url
• 1238[12:03:13] <tdn> jelly, what do you use? ext4?
• 1239[12:03:50] <jelly> tdn: ext4 on main filesystems and for backup storage, yes
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• 1243[12:04:57] <ozfalcon> need to install uupdate command, What package is that in?
• 1244[12:05:03] <jelly> devscripts
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• 1249[12:06:33] <tdn> jelly, ok. Me too. But I keep worrying about bit rot.
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• 1252[12:06:42] <no_gravity> Hello! I need to convert a few hundred images to jpg while also resizing them to a max-width. What's a good tool for it? "convert" from the debian repos?
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• 1256[12:07:55] <ozfalcon> jelly, ok that seemed to work ok. replaced-url
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• 1260[12:10:13] <ozfalcon> update folder now looks like this: replaced-url
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• 1281[12:17:53] <trucy> no_gravity: yup, convert looks like it'd fit your needs
• 1282[12:18:16] <trucy> replaced-url
• 1283[12:19:12] <no_gravity> trucy: Ok.. will install convert and see if I can cook up a set of parameters that does it all.
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• 1291[12:22:57] <ozfalcon> jelly, Would "dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us sane-backends-1.0.28" be next?
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• 1293[12:23:49] <ozfalcon> (No, that didn't work)
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• 1318[12:32:31] <jelly> ozfalcon: no, just cd into the new directory and "dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us"
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• 1333[12:38:45] <ozfalcon> ok
• 1334[12:38:46] <ozfalcon> jelly, That failed miserably
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• 1338[12:42:28] <jelly> ozfalcon: can you pastebin the output?
• 1339[12:42:30] <ozfalcon> replaced-url
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• 1343[12:45:10] <jelly> ozfalcon: okay, if it were me I'd probably try to update those debian/patches/0710-sane-desc.c_debian_mods.patch that failed, but it might be too much work for you. Use equivs then.
• 1344[12:45:39] <jelly> ozfalcon: which dependencies are missing for xsane?
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• 1348[12:48:17] <ozfalcon> I think it's just libsane & sane-utils
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• 1353[12:49:37] <jelly> then make fake packages for those two with equivs tool and install them
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• 1357[12:50:17] <jelly> and put them on hold
• 1358[12:50:20] <jelly> !hold
• 1359[12:50:20] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that prior to <stretch> "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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• 1367[12:53:36] <ozfalcon> looks like it might only be libsane for the dependency, not sane-utils
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• 1372[12:57:12] <jelly> so make a fake libsane package with version, say, 1.0.28-0~0.ozfalcon.1
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• 1374[13:00:53] <jelly> ozfalcon: use eg. "equivs-control libsane.control" to create a template control file, fill just enough of it to match package name and version, like here: replaced-url
• 1375[13:00:53] <ozfalcon> ok, So I have created a default control file "equivs-control libsane" and changing some defaults now.
• 1376[13:02:06] <ozfalcon> Should I leave the "Standards-Version: 3.9.2" as is?
• 1377[13:02:12] <jelly> yes
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• 1380[13:03:16] <Eightynine> Please, replace Firefox with Chromium. I have no idea why they put that garbage (Firefox) in every distribution. It's ancient crap and deserves dying and being forgotten. Never worked properly, bad architecture.
• 1381[13:03:54] <jelly> Eightynine: both Chromium and Firefox (ESR) are available in debian
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• 1384[13:05:16] <Eightynine> I know, but Firefox ESR is default. replaced-url
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• 1387[13:06:28] <themill> Eightynine: the default is the package that you choose to install.
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• 1389[13:07:11] <themill> (also, firefox-esr gets better security support than chromium)
• 1390[13:07:11] <jelly> Eightynine: distro defaults of what ships with a specific Desktop Environment do not get changed because of a single bug report in upstream
• 1391[13:07:59] <Eightynine> themill But when I installed Debian it came with Firefox ESR. Isn't it default? Sorry for being angry but that issue is really annoying.
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• 1394[13:08:38] <jelly> Eightynine: annoying for _you_ is not reason enough to change defaults for everyone who installs Debian (with Gnome, presumable)
• 1395[13:08:58] <ozfalcon> jelly, ok, Got that created.
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• 1397[13:09:17] <jelly> ,depends task-desktop
• 1398[13:09:18] <judd> Package task-desktop in buster/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.53), xorg, xserver-xorg-video-all, xserver-xorg-input-all, desktop-base.
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• 1400[13:09:29] <jelly> ,recommends task-desktop
• 1401[13:09:31] <judd> Package task-desktop in buster/amd64 -- recommends: task-gnome-desktop | task-xfce-desktop | task-kde-desktop | task-lxde-desktop | task-cinnamon-desktop | task-mate-desktop | task-lxqt-desktop, xdg-utils, avahi-daemon, libnss-mdns, anacron, eject, iw, alsa-utils, libu2f-udev, sudo, firefox | firefox-esr.
• 1402[13:09:33] <ozfalcon> Will cleanup and install it then xsane.
• 1403[13:09:36] <jelly> there it is
• 1404[13:09:51] <Eightynine> jelly Thanks for clarification. I didn't knew it depends on desktop.
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• 1408[13:10:57] <Eightynine> Is there anyone who tried Vivaldi? I tried it not long ago, it lacks performance. Works better in Windows on the same PC.
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• 1411[13:11:37] <jelly> it also lacks a serious security team AFAIR
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• 1416[13:12:56] <JyZyXEL> mozilla supposedly has a debian team, but their front page still claims Stretch to be the stable :P
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• 1418[13:13:53] <ozfalcon> Looks like it does need sane-utils. I'll just create another dummy package.
• 1419[13:13:56] * jelly had been using Opera for a loong while but never felt a pressing need to try Vivaldi when Firefox ESR + NoScript works well enough
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• 1421[13:14:24] <Eightynine> JyZyXEL And yet they don't have deb package, only tar archive or something like that? What idiots. Chrome, Opera and Vivaldi have both deb and rpm packages.
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• 1424[13:15:19] <jelly> ozfalcon: you can use "apt-get -s -f install" to see if apt thinks you have a consistent state or something is missing/extra
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• 1426[13:16:52] <jelly> Eightynine: mozilla's firefox builds, including esr, have its own update system that Just Works _if_ you've unpacked the thing as the same user that is running it
• 1427[13:16:53] <JyZyXEL> Eightynine: they have 60.9 for buster and 68/69 for sid
• 1428[13:17:46] <jelly> but there's probably little reason to go with mozilla's build instead of debian's if you want esr
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• 1432[13:18:44] <ozfalcon> ok
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• 1434[13:19:15] <Eightynine> jelly No, to be honest I don't care ESR or not if that works properly (which in my case is not truth).
• 1435[13:19:16] <dgriffi> Why is the preseed line of "d-i preseed/late_command string apt-get install -y sysvinit-core" no longer working to create an install that doesn't use systemd?
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• 1439[13:21:01] <jelly> dgriffi: do you also install a desktop environment task at the same time?
• 1440[13:21:18] <dgriffi> mate
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• 1442[13:22:04] <ozfalcon> jelly, do I need to hold the packages if it's a higher version to what might be updated anyway?
• 1443[13:22:14] <dgriffi> and I tried to take a freshly installed system (using systemd) and did "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and it wiped out pretty much everything, including networking.
• 1444[13:22:31] <themill> Eightynine: feel free to install whatever browser you want. If you're doing less than 20 installations, the defaults don't matter to you as you just install the package you want. If you're doing more than that then you have a configuration management system doing it for you and the defaults still don't matter.
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• 1446[13:23:00] <ozfalcon> jelly, Also xsane installed happily with the fake packages.
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• 1448[13:24:24] <jelly> dgriffi: task-mate-desktop depends on... mate-settings-daemon depends on... policykit-1 and then -> libpam-systemd -> systemd-sysv which can't be installed together with sysvinit-core
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• 1450[13:24:43] <dgriffi> jelly: wasn't there a shim to take care of that?
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• 1452[13:25:44] <dgriffi> I'm intent on getting rid of systemd now because with the release of Buster, systemd has been a constant source of freeze-ups and panics
• 1453[13:26:07] <jelly> dgriffi: I _think_ shim is for logind dependencies, not pam_systemd
• 1454[13:26:29] <dgriffi> why wasn't care taken with the mate packages to avoid this problem?
• 1455[13:26:33] <jelly> dgriffi: there's a libpam-elogind-compat for that, but not in buster, so far only in experimental
• 1456[13:26:50] <jelly> dgriffi: because it's a lot of work?
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• 1458[13:27:24] <dgriffi> jelly: it's less work to do something right the first time round.
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• 1462[13:28:08] <jelly> dgriffi: the right thing would have delayed buster for 6+ months
• 1463[13:28:31] <dgriffi> jelly: and?
• 1464[13:29:26] <Eightynine> Which player is better in yout opinion, VLC or Gnome MPV? By "better" I mean supports more formats, works faster and (if possible) supports graphics acceleration.
• 1465[13:29:27] <jelly> dgriffi: you can join the init team and volunteer there to make things better in time for bullseye
• 1466[13:29:52] <dgriffi> jelly: how would one do this?
• 1467[13:29:57] <jelly> Init Diversity Team*
• 1468[13:31:21] <dgriffi> jelly: this? replaced-url
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• 1470[13:32:48] <jelly> that's their mailing list, right
• 1471[13:33:38] <dgriffi> okay
• 1472[13:33:55] <jelly> Eightynine: vlc and mpv are comparable. I don't know what Gnome MPV is, probably a frontend
• 1473[13:34:34] <jelly> vlc sometimes guesses which acceleration options exists better. mpv sometimes needs to be told.
• 1474[13:34:57] <jelly> vlc also works better with some streaming options
• 1475[13:35:08] <jelly> mpv needs youtube-dl installed
• 1476[13:35:36] <jelly> however vlc crashed more for me and ate more resources
• 1477[13:35:49] <Eightynine> jelly Yes, you're right. Gnome MPV is GUI (used in Gnome of course). They later renamed it in Celluloid but Debian still uses old one.
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• 1479[13:36:14] <jelly> Eightynine: I usually just run mpv from command line.
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• 1481[13:37:55] <Eightynine> jelly I would like to have GUI, maybe I should switch to mpv and something for YouTube? There's some stuttering when watching YouTube in VLC.
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• 1485[13:38:41] <jelly> dgriffi: sadly there seems to be a lot of the non-technical issues around that, replaced-url
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• 1494[13:40:41] <ozfalcon> jelly, Thanks for you help.
• 1495[13:41:06] <Sabandija> Hi all, some can help me?? i-m looking for a guide to transfer files of a PC with linux to a PC with win10 and vice versa in my local net, using the terminal
• 1496[13:41:10] <Sabandija> thanks in advance
• 1497[13:41:29] <ozfalcon> jelly, xsane currently not working now. But I'll get it going (Had it working before).
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• 1503[13:45:24] <jelly> Eightynine: mpv can work but you need to keep youtube-dl up-to-date, and that often means "newer than what's in debian"
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• 1508[13:46:14] <jelly> Sabandija: if you install openssh-server on your linux you can use WinSCP or Filezilla to access files on linux over "sftp"
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• 1511[13:46:44] <Eightynine> jelly Is that possible on Debian? Maybe I can update it from snap/flatpak?
• 1512[13:46:54] <Sabandija> Thanks jelly
• 1513[13:46:58] <EdePopede> tip: the download link redirects to the actual file, which has the version in its name. with curl, grep and a little bit of bash magick it's a oneliner to compare it to the installed version and download the new version if needed
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• 1515[13:47:41] <EdePopede> Eightynine --^
• 1516[13:48:13] <jelly> Eightynine: upstream has a custom self-update method that's supposed to be really easy. I just make packages from newer sources, or steal binary debs from sid.
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• 1520[13:48:53] <jelly> ,v youtube-dl
• 1521[13:48:54] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; bullseye: 2019.01.17-1.1; buster: 2019.01.17-1.1; sid: 2019.09.01-1; bullseye-multimedia: 2019.09.12.1-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 2019.09.12.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2019.09.28-dmo1
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• 1530[13:49:55] <EdePopede> upstream: 2019.09.28, so sid-multimedia is up to date (after just 1 day)
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• 1533[13:50:25] * jelly avoids dmm
• 1534[13:50:37] <EdePopede> "multimedia"? i don't suppose they have something to do with the mm repos we shouldn't use?
• 1535[13:50:46] <EdePopede> or do they?
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• 1539[13:52:03] <jelly> EdePopede: those ARE them dmm repos yes
• 1540[13:52:15] <EdePopede> ok, so <buster multimedia> is an alias for <dmm>
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• 1545[13:55:20] <Unit193> Amusing that one shouldn't use them, yet judd fetches package info for them.
• 1546[13:56:34] <jelly> USE AT YOUR OWN RISK
• 1547[13:56:39] <jelly> etc
• 1548[13:56:58] <Logg> it just breaks so quick I don't know why they bother packaging it for debian
• 1549[13:57:04] <Logg> just install with pip
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• 1552[13:57:21] <jelly> blasphemy!
• 1553[13:57:25] <Logg> :)
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• 1555[13:57:41] <EdePopede> why pip?
• 1556[13:57:47] <Logg> pip repo stays up to date faster.
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• 1558[13:57:51] <jelly> it's python
• 1559[13:58:02] <EdePopede> it's a bloody tgz with s single packaged python binary
• 1560[13:58:34] <jelly> that's just one deliverable
• 1561[13:58:37] * d3sync brings wood for the stake
• 1562[13:58:39] <user99> when my system went into suspend mode came back and went to log in...have a light on the keybd but no response to any input...mouse worked fine...but cannot login because no keybd...had to reboot...looking for event logs...tried deebug .1 no luck...nothing in kernel. where should i look...messages?
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• 1565[13:59:06] <EdePopede> as long as pip doesn't keep hands off apt land it is considered a hostile intruder
• 1566[13:59:37] <jelly> user99: is the keyboard built in or could you unplug and plug it back in if it happened again?
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• 1568[14:00:05] <jelly> EdePopede: pip can be used as user
• 1569[14:00:09] <user99> jelly could plug/unplug
• 1570[14:00:10] <Unit193> While likely about equal to using dmm, I just maintain ytdl in my own apt repo, tends to work well. The watchfile is pretty much setup to do everything automatically.
• 1571[14:00:13] <user99> didn't
• 1572[14:00:25] <user99> had a light will try if/when
• 1573[14:00:41] <EdePopede> jelly: i only don't like putting such things into $HOME, /usr/local is me favorite
• 1574[14:00:55] <EdePopede> if it can use this as default prefix, ok
• 1575[14:01:05] <user99> pip? is?
• 1576[14:01:25] <EdePopede> python installer stuff
• 1577[14:01:34] <user99> k
• 1578[14:03:15] <MonkeyWrench84> Remote system with likely HDD failure - getting "Input Output" errors when running many commands including SUDO. Root file system has switched to read only. I can view some of the root file system via sftp but not /usr/bin or /sbin. A working NFS share is still mounted and working. If I copy the SUDO files/directory from a working system to the already mounted NFS share can I run SUDO from there?
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• 1584[14:04:47] <user99> s/even
• 1585[14:04:56] <Logg> MonkeyWrench84, sure, why not. I'd try it. `/mnt/nfsShare/bin/myBin $1`
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• 1593[14:10:25] <nb-ben> hi, I have a chroot environment, and I'd like to hide some devices from it from /dev
• 1594[14:10:28] <nb-ben> what are my options?
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• 1597[14:12:06] <user99> Sep 24 16:27:10 debian kernel: [ 6.742685] random: 7 urandom warning(s) missed due to ratelimiting
• 1598[14:12:06] <user99> Sep 24 16:59:27 debian kernel: [ 7.088583] random: 7 urandom warning(s) missed due to ratelimiting
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• 1603[14:13:13] <user99> nb-ben seems counter to what I would expect...seems like you should have to grant access
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• 1613[14:18:17] <MonkeyWrench84> Logg, I have copied sudo from /usr/bin to /nfsshare/temp/bin and /usr/lib/sudo directory to /nfsshare/temp/sudo . When i run sudo from temp/bin it errors on finding libsudo_util.so.0 Is there a way to point at new temp/sudo directory?
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• 1615[14:19:33] <Logg> gg. idk, if you can do what you want to do from a chroot, that would be clean. I know there _is_ a way to link to the library without the root filesystem but it's some environmental variable shenanigan...
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• 1619[14:21:59] <MonkeyWrench84> hmm, I will see what I can find. Don't suppose there is something I'm missing ref a way to run shutdown or reboot or even sysrq for REISUB as root without being able to run SU or SUDO?
• 1620[14:22:32] <Logg> LDFLAGS="-L$HOME/local/lib" CFLAGS="-I$HOME/local/include" ./configure --prefix=$HOME
• 1621[14:22:45] <Logg> that's what I had to do on a vps without root access, i built it that way
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• 1623[14:24:11] <Logg> If you reboot, you're gonna lose the system entirely probably. last time I had a problem like that, it was fsck required, and I think the hdd died shortly after.
• 1624[14:24:48] <Logg> Time to get in the car and be prepared to restore from backup on a new hdd imo
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• 1627[14:26:18] <MonkeyWrench84> Yes, I have backups of everything I need thankfully, I'm just keen to try a reboot on the off chance that it's not actual hardware failure....
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• 1629[14:28:53] <Logg> Can you maybe switch to a different tty and just log in as root?
• 1630[14:29:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1535
• 1631[14:29:03] <Logg> or like ssh in as root?
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• 1633[14:31:49] <MonkeyWrench84> with chvt #? nope, input/output error
• 1634[14:32:03] <MonkeyWrench84> can't ssh in with root either
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• 1666[14:47:49] <user99> nb-ben I meant seems like that would be in the scripts that created the chroot. That a chroot would not have access to much of anything on start.
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• 1681[14:58:36] <user99> buster seems pretty stable. gnome on wayland is working here pretty snappy on low grade hardware...nice work guys
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• 1684[15:00:37] <user99> 10.1 far better than 10.0 eh? :)
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• 1696[15:11:45] * user99 cat /var/log/messages | grep error > ~/error --> replaced-url
• 1697[15:12:09] <user99> client bug help? what's that about?
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• 1706[15:22:55] <user99> Sep 25 11:10:27 debian gsd-power[933]: Error setting property 'PowerSaveMode' on interface org.gnome.Mutter.DisplayConfig: Timeout was reached (g-io-error-quark, 24)
• 1707[15:22:55] <user99> Sep 25 11:10:27 debian gsd-power[933]: Error setting property 'PowerSaveMode' on interface org.gnome.Mutter.DisplayConfig: Timeout was reached (g-io-error-quark, 24)
• 1708[15:24:14] <jelly> sounds like some desktop enviroment overly verbose stderr
• 1709[15:25:19] <jelly> if things work ignore it. There may be a way to somehow tell journald/rsyslog not to pollute /var/log/messages with that stuff
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• 1715[15:30:05] <user99> well...I may actually do that at some point...otoh I am having issues resuming from standby so I ran the reportbug tool.
• 1716[15:30:17] <user99> -> @jelly\
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• 1718[15:30:56] <user99> that was non intuitive. no idea what it did (reportbug)
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• 1735[15:46:06] <user99> omg what a mess...hth u peeps track bugs is crazy
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• 1737[15:46:57] <user99> can't tell what's new...hasn't been looked at and replying to a bug is counter intuitive
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• 1755[15:51:51] <jelly> user99: ah. I'd say ignore any entries "gnome" searching for the cause
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• 1759[15:56:29] <user99> I'll turn suspend off for now and see what happens.
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• 1761[15:57:33] <jsubl2> cant seem to find kdm package. any help
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• 1763[15:57:49] <humpled> think it's sddm now jsubl2
• 1764[15:57:57] <jsubl2> tx humpled
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• 1774[16:02:54] <amosbird> hi, which dh command writes to DEBIAN/conffiles?
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• 1809[16:32:51] <jsubl2> bought a laptop with a solid state drive. to make the drive last would it be best to keep most files on network drive
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• 1819[16:37:35] <no_gravity> Is there a way to do what "nc -l 80" does but without nc?
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• 1830[16:43:24] <toruvinn> no_gravity, well if you're in bash you could use /dev/tcp
• 1831[16:43:32] <toruvinn> but why no netcat?
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• 1834[16:44:15] <no_gravity> toruvinn: Well, then I would not have to install netcat.
• 1835[16:44:32] <no_gravity> But ok, I'll install it.
• 1836[16:45:47] <no_gravity> Now I see that when I run Docker with "-p 80:80" and then send a request on my host machine to 127.0.0.1, it arrives inside docker from the IP 172.17.0.1. Is it possible to make it come from 127.0.0.1?
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• 1851[16:50:39] <xormor> how do I use Bluetooth in my Debian buster stable 10.1? I installed firmware-realtek and noticed that sudo dmesg reported that Bluetooth should be ready to use.
• 1852[16:50:53] <xormor> I have the GNOME on Xorg desktop environment.
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• 1857[16:53:32] <toruvinn> no_gravity, netcat is tiny, tbh.
• 1858[16:53:34] <toruvinn> and very useful
• 1859[16:53:41] <no_gravity> Yeah. I installed it now.
• 1860[16:54:19] <toruvinn> no_gravity, you can also look at socat (a lot of features, but i find it not too userfriendly) and cryptcat, but those are gonna be larger ;-)
• 1861[16:54:46] <toruvinn> i think you could also open connections and listen port with openssl, but im not sure if you can do so without any encryption
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• 1864[16:56:35] <user99> dpkg not responding to /msg
• 1865[16:56:35] <dpkg> user99: I give up, what is it?
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• 1867[16:57:11] <user99> dpkg, apt suite changed
• 1868[16:57:12] <dpkg> If you were already using Debian 10 "Buster" prior to it being released as stable, or you use 'testing' in your sources.list, apt-get will complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change
• 1869[16:57:19] <no_gravity> My issue at hand: I have a web application inside docker that works different when used locally. So to test the local access, I would like the requests to come from 127.0.0.1
• 1870[16:57:29] <no_gravity> Which is probably not easy to accomplish.
• 1871[16:57:33] <no_gravity> Maybe a solution would be to change the default "Docker Network Bridge" to something like 127.0.0.2 and then teach the application running inside docker to treat that IP as local too.
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• 1876[17:00:50] <toruvinn> no_gravity, if you have bash you can use /dev/tcp i believe. if this is a one-off.
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• 1878[17:01:37] <no_gravity> toruvinn: I used nc now. All is fine :)
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• 1891[17:07:02] <jackal> hello, why lsb_release -d returns 'Description: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid'?
• 1892[17:07:27] <themill> !why bullseye/sid
• 1893[17:07:27] <dpkg> Debian doesn't distinguish if a system runs testing or unstable. "buster/sid" means a system is either tracking testing or unstable (or a mix). If you want the list of releases your system really tracks, ask me about <tracked suites>. Also ask about <list repositories>, <not available>. See also /usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ ("Questions about /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version").
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• 1904[17:11:02] <debish> Hi guys, just a quick question, what happened to dpkg-reconfigure in debian testing? Was it replaced by a different command? Thanks!
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• 1906[17:11:23] <user99> what command runs the packaging tutorial?
• 1907[17:11:26] <jackal> debish, im using testing and it works
• 1908[17:11:55] <jackal> themill, thanks
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• 1912[17:15:24] <cyboman33> How can i change de screen resolution in Wayland Debian Buster?
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• 1926[17:26:17] <user99> cyboman33, right click desktop background > display settings> resolution ...for me anyway
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• 1929[17:28:22] <cyboman33> user99: I tried it, but i can't change it. Should i use xandr?
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• 1941[17:36:31] <debish> Well, in my case the command does not even show in the terminal... No idea why
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• 1943[17:39:50] <LtL> debish: xrandr is in the x11-xserver-utils package.
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• 1946[17:40:43] <debish> Sorry for the misunderstanding LtL, I was referring to a previous conversation with jackal, who already left the channel
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• 1948[17:40:55] <debish> Nothing to do with xrandr
• 1949[17:41:34] <LtL> debish: oh, okay my mistake.
• 1950[17:41:35] <debish> For some reason dpkg-reconfigure command dissapeared from my terminal when I upgraded to testing
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• 1952[17:42:26] <humpled> disappeared?
• 1953[17:42:35] <LtL> ,v dpkg-reconfigure
• 1954[17:42:36] <judd> No package named 'dpkg-reconfigure' was found in amd64.
• 1955[17:42:44] <humpled> you mean it responds: command not found?
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• 1957[17:43:31] <humpled> dpkg-reconfigure is in /usr/sbin and will only be in your path if you import settings properly when becoming root
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• 1960[17:45:07] <LtL> yeah, it's gotta be there.
• 1961[17:45:48] <LtL> or debconf is gone, which can't be.
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• 1967[17:48:12] <Ajizu> LtL: my be can you use tasksel to install what you need ?
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• 1971[17:49:12] <LtL> Ajizu: I don't need anything :)
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• 1976[17:51:04] <Ajizu> LtL: I made a mistake Lol!!!
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• 1984[17:52:13] <LtL> Ajizu: no worries :)
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• 1987[17:52:49] <Ajizu> LtL: I think you were down with your system!
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• 1992[17:54:51] <LtL> Ajizu: i am 'down with my system' but my system is not down /euphemism :)
• 1993[17:56:08] <Ajizu> LtL: Oo
• 1994[17:56:11] <cyboman33> Hehe ;-)
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• 1996[17:57:02] <Ajizu> Yeah that cool!!! Good stat of spirit!!!
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• 2013[18:07:25] <LtL> that what a stupid version command to ask the bot when reconfigure is a sub-command of dpkg, more coffee, more cowbell.
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• 2022[18:11:14] <ortzi> Hello.
• 2023[18:11:24] <ortzi> I installed 1h ago Debian 10.1 in my laptop.
• 2024[18:11:35] <ortzi> I have some problems...
• 2025[18:12:07] <ortzi> root@debian-AspireVN7:~# deluser
• 2026[18:12:07] <ortzi> bash: deluser: command not found
• 2027[18:12:07] <ortzi> root@debian-AspireVN7:~# userdel
• 2028[18:12:07] <ortzi> bash: userdel: command not found
• 2029[18:12:07] <ortzi> root@debian-AspireVN7:~# whoami
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• 2032[18:12:16] <ortzi> Sorry.
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• 2034[18:12:42] <ortzi> bash: deluser: command not found, also bash: userdel: command not found and whoami tells me that I am root
• 2035[18:12:58] <ortzi> I just installed and configured WIFI, no more...
• 2036[18:13:30] <LtL> ortzi: become root with 'su -' or your $PATH won't be set properly.
• 2037[18:13:55] <ortzi> Thanks
• 2038[18:14:12] <LtL> ortzi: you're welcome.
• 2039[18:14:15] <ortzi> That is new, what is the reason for that?
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• 2042[18:14:58] <mtn> replaced-url
• 2043[18:15:05] <LtL> ortzi: it is new, but most of us have been doing it that way for years, now it is mandatory.
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• 2047[18:16:28] <LtL> ortzi: adduser and deluser are better, although both work.
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• 2050[18:17:26] <ortzi> LtL, I have a laptop with nvidia 840m & intel card, if at the moment I dont want to use nvidia propietary drivers, will be better intel driver with nvidia than noveau for nvidia?
• 2051[18:18:45] <ortzi> Yes, now $PATH is ok and it is working perfect. Nothing was working I was worried xD
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• 2053[18:18:52] <LtL> ortzi: i have nvidia/intel on my laptop and i use intel, probably nouveau but i'm not on the laptop at the moment.
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• 2055[18:19:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1554
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• 2057[18:19:49] <ortzi> LtL, there is vulkan for intel, maybe I should use it
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• 2060[18:20:07] <ortzi> It is using noveau by default
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• 2063[18:20:47] <CarlFK> why does this give me 2 dhcp IPs? ( 192...118 and .119 ) replaced-url
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• 2065[18:21:09] <LtL> ortzi: if what you are using works, i would stay with it.
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• 2067[18:21:58] <fryguy> CarlFK: what do you want lines 39/40 to do?
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• 2069[18:22:39] <ortzi> One last question LtL, should I configure sudo? is it more secure?
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• 2071[18:23:44] <CarlFK> fryguy: get an IP for ... oh look, same thing as line 30
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• 2073[18:23:52] <whislock> CarlFK: You're getting exactly what you're asking for.
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• 2075[18:24:31] <LtL> ortzi: i use sudo, but that is a personal preference, i typically become root when needed. as for security that's debatable
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• 2077[18:24:52] <whislock> By default configuration, no, there's no appreciable difference.
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• 2079[18:25:08] <zmitya> hi all
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• 2081[18:25:22] <zmitya> could you guys please give me a doc how to setup the geoip module for iptables on Buster ?
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• 2111[18:39:25] <ortzi> I need libjpeg8 for Lightworks video editor...
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• 2113[18:39:33] <ortzi> I dont want to return to Ubuntu ! xD
• 2114[18:40:36] <ortzi> But I dont have it in debian :/
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• 2119[18:47:09] <thecoffemaker> ortzi, compile it and then do a checkinstall -> replaced-url
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• 2123[18:47:34] <LtL> ortzi: libjpeg62-turbo is the closest i can find, have you considered compiling it? I can't guarentee that won't break something.
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• 2127[18:49:22] <ortzi> replaced-url
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• 2129[18:49:33] <ortzi> That are the required packages...
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• 2139[18:52:04] <LtL> ortzi: consider compiling, replaced-url
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• 2142[18:53:01] <LtL> ortzi: install build-essential if you decide to compile.
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• 2145[18:54:23] <jhutchins> ,v libjpeg*
• 2146[18:54:24] <judd> No package named 'libjpeg*' was found in amd64.
• 2147[18:54:32] <jhutchins> ,v libjpeg
• 2148[18:54:33] <judd> No package named 'libjpeg' was found in amd64.
• 2149[18:55:08] <ortzi> I cant compile all I need, I dont have time for that...
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• 2151[18:55:29] <ortzi> I love debian but in this machine I may return to Ubuntu
• 2152[18:55:34] <ortzi> thanks for your help LtL
• 2153[18:55:48] <LtL> ortzi: best of luck
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• 2156[18:57:45] <MrFukkr> bigpresh: i dicked your moms cunt
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• 2163[19:02:04] <jhutchins> LtL: It looks like the *turbo* files are utilities, it's the 62 package that has the libraries. The question is whether 62 is greater than 8, and whether the propietary program will allow "8 or newer".
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• 2165[19:02:20] <jhutchins> Don't see why compiling would offer any advantage.
• 2166[19:02:56] <diogenes_> maybe a symlink would work.
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• 2170[19:03:58] <LtL> jhutchins: point taken, seems he left.
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• 2178[19:05:23] <jhutchins> diogenes_: Hit-or-miss, but worth trying if it didn't just accept 62.
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• 2190[19:15:35] <nh2_> Hi, I have a broken upgrade (unmet dependencies) and need to understand how to invoke apt correctly to fix it.
• 2191[19:15:35] <nh2_> My sources.list are at the new release, but many packages are at the older release version because my updateder crashed.
• 2192[19:15:35] <nh2_> How can I specify in an `apt-get install -f packagename=version packagename...` invocation that I want specific versions for some package, and the *latest available version for any other package* (the latest version shown in `apt-cache policy` for that package?
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• 2197[19:17:48] <MogKupo> ahh, I was building something on an old netbook and it's used all swap and almost all ram, at a system load of over 10 and not responding to keys etc. (though it is still working, the drive is seeking constantly), ssh doesn't respond either but apparently just turning it off is a bad idea, any idea how to proceed?
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• 2206[19:24:38] <nh2_> MogKupo: You might press Ctrl+C a couple of times, and wait. Likely, eventually the command will get through, or your program get killed by the OOM killer. Linux is unfortunately quite bad in such situations
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• 2208[19:25:16] <MogKupo> it's been like this over two hours, I can't press ^C as I can't actually get focus to the window, oh dear
• 2209[19:25:32] <MogKupo> not had anything like this happen since I had my 486 in the 1990s, lol
• 2210[19:25:37] <MogKupo> when compiling the kernel was an all day job
• 2211[19:25:59] <nh2_> MogKupo: if the operation you are performing is OK to be interrupted, you can also use the magic sysrq keys to kill all userspace processes and shut down relatively cleanly from the kernel side: replaced-url
• 2212[19:26:46] <nh2_> (it'd be shutting down cleanly because one of the keys syncs the filesystem to disk)
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• 2215[19:27:14] <MogKupo> ah, that did the job, thought magic sysrq had to be compiled in
• 2216[19:27:15] <MogKupo> thankyou
• 2217[19:28:11] <nh2_> MogKupo: one way to avoid this situation is to disable swap, and use a something like `earlyoom` to prevent such lockups (while accepting more aggressive killing of large processes)
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• 2220[19:29:58] <MogKupo> aye, I just need to find some more RAM for this unusually fussy MSI netbook (needs a 1GB DDR3 stick to upgrade it, but not just any 1GB DDR3 stick, oh no, it has to be one blessed by MSI)
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• 2253[19:50:35] <seven-eleven> hi
• 2254[19:51:14] <seven-eleven> i noticed debian uses dhcpcd.conf and not interfaces anymore; can I just `systemctl disable dhcpcd` and use interfaces instead seamlessly?
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• 2256[19:51:21] <xok> hello all..
• 2257[19:51:36] <xok> i'm on an old Debian system ( wheezy / 7 )...
• 2258[19:51:41] <xok> I want to install vim...
• 2259[19:51:53] <xok> can anyone help me find the suitable .deb package?..
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• 2261[19:52:04] <xok> the apt way doesn't work as it got obsolete..
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• 2264[19:54:45] <somiaj> seven-eleven: debian uses /etc/network/interfaces as its default network configuration tool still
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• 2266[19:55:20] <somiaj> seven-eleven: but debian also provides many ways to configure your network, you can use the interfaces file, you can manually configure it, use network-manager, wicd, wpa_supplicant, systemd-netword, and so on
• 2267[19:55:21] <MogKupo> xok, you think that's old, I dug an old 486 out of storage a few months ago to do some data recovery from ancient 5.25" floppies and it was running potato, heh. Perhaps you can find an old binary 1 iso for wheezy and add that as a source?
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• 2269[19:55:33] <somiaj> seven-eleven: as the system admin you have to choose which method to use, just be consistant.
• 2270[19:56:12] <somiaj> xok: debian wheezy is no longer support and has security holes. That being said, debian provides all packages of unsupported released on archive.debian.org
• 2271[19:56:15] <somiaj> !wheezy sources.list
• 2272[19:56:15] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
• 2273[19:56:33] <seven-eleven> somiaj, gotcha
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• 2275[19:57:23] <MogKupo> oh, do you archive /all/ the old distributions?
• 2276[19:57:27] <xok> somiaj: thanks, I think that would help...
• 2277[19:57:55] <somiaj> MogKupo: the extremaly old only have source packages (like the first 2-3 releases of debian)
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• 2279[19:58:09] <somiaj> MogKupo: all the other ones have both source and binary packages archived on archive.debian.org
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• 2283[19:58:32] <somiaj> so if you awnted to say use the first release of debian, you would have to compile all packages from source
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• 2285[19:58:52] <MogKupo> oh yeah, potato is in there, I could actually update the ancient 486
• 2286[19:59:05] <MogKupo> 20 years on
• 2287[19:59:14] <MogKupo> that's some long term support there
• 2288[19:59:20] <somiaj> its not support, its an archive
• 2289[19:59:26] <somiaj> you get all the bugs and security holes in cluded
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• 2291[19:59:43] <MogKupo> oh yes, I understand that, but it's still there
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• 2298[20:05:33] <xok> somiaj: how about security?...
• 2299[20:05:47] <xok> do we have something like archive.secuity.debian.org ??
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• 2301[20:06:26] <xok> apparently not...
• 2302[20:06:36] <CarlFK> xok: what would you expect to find there?
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• 2396[21:10:27] <rabbitnightmare> hey I am looking for a Debian KDE live iso
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• 2399[21:11:53] <rabbitnightmare> I would like a torrent of the amd64 image
• 2400[21:12:08] <rabbitnightmare> pretty please I would love to try this distribution out for myself
• 2401[21:12:53] <rabbitnightmare> every time I try anything *buntu it is a buggy mess but from what I have heard, Debian fixes most of that
• 2402[21:13:15] <saptech> have you tried kubuntu?
• 2403[21:13:20] <saptech> too late
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• 2407[21:13:51] <rabbitnightmare> yes its buggy
• 2408[21:13:53] <saptech> why not just try debian's version, though it's not live
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• 2410[21:14:12] <rabbitnightmare> I don't need it to be, but I would like the whole thing to be there
• 2411[21:14:35] <rabbitnightmare> netinst disks are impossible for me at the moment I need to grab it from public wifi
• 2412[21:14:49] <rabbitnightmare> they are doing work at the pole near my house and its sunday
• 2413[21:15:06] <rabbitnightmare> I can wait but I would love to give it a spin
• 2414[21:15:11] <saptech> dowwnlaod the complete ISO and choose kde/plasma desktop
• 2415[21:15:17] <rabbitnightmare> where
• 2416[21:15:27] <rabbitnightmare> I looked now I am bugging yall
• 2417[21:15:56] <rabbitnightmare> buster is fine I am going to install it on my desktop
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• 2419[21:16:04] <saptech> hmmm
• 2420[21:16:08] <saptech> replaced-url
• 2421[21:16:10] <rabbitnightmare> amd64 image is fine
• 2422[21:16:11] <saptech> did u see that
• 2423[21:16:25] <rabbitnightmare> I did not thank you
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• 2425[21:16:42] <rabbitnightmare> I appreciate you
• 2426[21:16:56] <saptech> np, I just realize debian have live images also
• 2427[21:17:18] <rabbitnightmare> I just couldn't find them
• 2428[21:17:22] <rabbitnightmare> just netinst
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• 2430[21:17:48] <saptech> I have debian installed but I use the netinst and choose. I'm currently using Mate & Openbox
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• 2432[21:18:19] <rabbitnightmare> im a bloadwhore but I like mate too
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• 2435[21:18:53] <saptech> I use plasma on my mageia install
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• 2437[21:19:18] <rabbitnightmare> I use it on Arch and its wonderful
• 2438[21:19:43] <saptech> yep
• 2439[21:19:57] <rabbitnightmare> Gnome broke a lot of stuff in .34
• 2440[21:20:16] <rabbitnightmare> I know of others but I have used Linux since 2004
• 2441[21:20:28] <rabbitnightmare> kind of hard to break the kde habit
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• 2443[21:21:44] <whislock> I haven't actually used KDE in ages. Wonder what it's like, now.
• 2444[21:22:13] <rabbitnightmare> flat
• 2445[21:22:20] <rabbitnightmare> you can change the themes though
• 2446[21:23:02] <rabbitnightmare> it fell out of popularity so development for the apps kinda slowed over time but it's kicking back up
• 2447[21:23:18] <rabbitnightmare> k3b remains the only way I found to burn ISO files to dvd
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• 2449[21:23:40] <saptech> whislock kde is called Plasma 5 now
• 2450[21:23:52] <saptech> more modern looking
• 2451[21:23:54] <rabbitnightmare> it is but I am 35
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• 2453[21:24:08] <saptech> lol
• 2454[21:24:25] <saptech> I mostly use Brasero for my burning needsd
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• 2456[21:24:30] <rabbitnightmare> even plasma is hard to describe it as, so I still call it KDE as it is all encompassing
• 2457[21:24:46] <rabbitnightmare> must be a gtk4 bug
• 2458[21:24:53] <bernyrd> plasma is interest
• 2459[21:24:57] <bernyrd> redid lot of code also
• 2460[21:25:01] <rabbitnightmare> one of the things it broke on me
• 2461[21:25:21] <saptech> I don't think plasma use gtk
• 2462[21:25:26] <saptech> QT it uses
• 2463[21:25:26] <rabbitnightmare> kde plasma is one of those things you either love or hate right out
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• 2465[21:26:13] <saptech> I get lost using it
• 2466[21:26:13] <rabbitnightmare> it requires a lot of other stuff to be installed properly for it to be stable, Kubuntu does not do that
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• 2468[21:26:43] <rabbitnightmare> its just as daunting now as it was in 3.5.10
• 2469[21:27:11] <rabbitnightmare> you either like it or you don't its bloat and its awesome
• 2470[21:27:39] <saptech> I like it just do not use it :)
• 2471[21:27:46] <rabbitnightmare> you can rice it out or have nothing on your desktop (but then you are probably using i3 anyway)
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• 2474[21:28:13] <rabbitnightmare> wobbly windows that burn up when you close them
• 2475[21:28:38] <rabbitnightmare> desktop cubes and everything lol
• 2476[21:28:46] <rabbitnightmare> as skeuomorphic or as flat as you want
• 2477[21:29:45] <rabbitnightmare> I get so much work done because of KDE though, things you normally do in terminal KDE has tools for
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• 2479[21:30:36] <rabbitnightmare> everyone who uses GTK desktops look at me funny
• 2480[21:30:46] <rabbitnightmare> I came from a different era of Linux though
• 2481[21:31:19] <rabbitnightmare> back when Mandrake ruled the world
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• 2483[21:32:15] <rabbitnightmare> so mcdonalds blocks torrent traffic
• 2484[21:32:21] <rabbitnightmare> that's a thing I guess
• 2485[21:32:53] <rabbitnightmare> can see why, I only use it for Linux
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• 2488[21:33:37] <saptech> all distros have tools to use instead of terminal
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• 2490[21:33:47] <saptech> all DEs
• 2491[21:34:10] <saptech> cli just let you do most things faster
• 2492[21:34:15] <rabbitnightmare> do they? that's good, I could never live with how limited those DEs make me feel
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• 2496[21:34:44] <whislock> saptech: I know what KDE is called now. I just haven't bothered to try it.
• 2497[21:34:45] <rabbitnightmare> no desktop icons? when did that become popular?
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• 2500[21:35:17] <rabbitnightmare> I love my desktop busy and messy
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• 2502[21:35:27] <saptech> lol
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• 2504[21:35:32] <saptech> I used to
• 2505[21:35:33] <maxrazer> Anyone know why microphone input wouldn't be detected/working in Debian?
• 2506[21:35:37] <rabbitnightmare> dl is done checking hash
• 2507[21:35:47] <maxrazer> My built in audio often doesn't work, but my audio interface always works.
• 2508[21:35:53] <rabbitnightmare> maxrazer what dE?
• 2509[21:35:57] <maxrazer> XFCE
• 2510[21:36:10] <rabbitnightmare> its not showing up in settings?
• 2511[21:36:17] <maxrazer> I have to set the configuration of built-in audio to stereo duplex.
• 2512[21:36:28] <free_speech> which audioenvironment? PulseAudio? JACK? OSS? ALSA?
• 2513[21:36:29] <c0rnelius> have you tried unmuting it in alsamixer?
• 2514[21:36:36] <maxrazer> It is showing up, but I only get background noise and not my voice.
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• 2516[21:36:40] <c0rnelius> and turn on capture
• 2517[21:36:46] <maxrazer> I checked ALSAmixer. saw no muting.
• 2518[21:36:56] <rabbitnightmare> I was going to suggest alsa next because in Arch that's usually the issue people have
• 2519[21:37:16] <maxrazer> Pavucontrol says the microphone is plugged in.
• 2520[21:37:16] <rabbitnightmare> do yall deal with system?
• 2521[21:37:22] <rabbitnightmare> systemD
• 2522[21:37:32] <maxrazer> Also, in the past Audacity would have trouble recording the voice would be all fast.
• 2523[21:37:50] <maxrazer> But that isn't even working now.
• 2524[21:37:59] <rabbitnightmare> sounds like an issue systemD causes in Arch sometimes
• 2525[21:38:04] <maxrazer> I think in the past once setting the config to of and back to duplex would wake it up.
• 2526[21:38:06] <c0rnelius> in alsamixer if it's labeled MM is muted. If you then select F4 you'll see capture options
• 2527[21:38:14] <c0rnelius> it's*
• 2528[21:38:36] <c0rnelius> insert and delete will set the left and right of the mic input
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• 2530[21:39:36] <rabbitnightmare> install pavucontrol and run it as root and see if it fixes it
• 2531[21:39:39] <maxrazer> Capture is turned all the way up. Rear mic boost is all the way down.
• 2532[21:39:48] <maxrazer> I have pavucontrol
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• 2534[21:39:57] <rabbitnightmare> idk what the package manager Debian uses but that should sort it out
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• 2538[21:40:19] <rabbitnightmare> sudo alsa force-reload
• 2539[21:40:41] <rabbitnightmare> remove pulseaudio and reinstall it
• 2540[21:40:46] <maxrazer> There is just something about bad support for microphone built-in audio in Linux. I have an Asus motherboard.
• 2541[21:40:48] <maxrazer> ok
• 2542[21:41:07] <maxrazer> I also have the pavucontrol-qt installed from another desktop. I removed it.
• 2543[21:41:12] <rabbitnightmare> systemD can be wonky, its not a Debian centric thing
• 2544[21:41:27] <maxrazer> The USB audio interface I have always works for microphone.
• 2545[21:41:36] <rabbitnightmare> it likes control like a drunk cop
• 2546[21:41:37] <maxrazer> But, not the built int audio.
• 2547[21:42:17] <rabbitnightmare> sudo
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• 2549[21:42:42] <maxrazer> I removed pavucontrol and now running with sudo. It says establishing connection to pulse audio. I may have to restart.
• 2550[21:43:00] <rabbitnightmare> snd-hda-intel position_fix=1 <---- add this line then restart if that doesn't fix it try fix=2
• 2551[21:43:22] <rabbitnightmare> if that doesn't help it might be Debian centric
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• 2553[21:43:27] <maxrazer> Oh, it runs without sudo
• 2554[21:43:31] <rabbitnightmare> but my guess is on systemD
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• 2556[21:43:55] <maxrazer> The output sound works on headphones, but not microphone.
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• 2558[21:44:05] <rabbitnightmare> oh they have a laxer security profile? neat
• 2559[21:44:14] <rabbitnightmare> right
• 2560[21:44:25] <rabbitnightmare> its detecting the mic as an audio output device
• 2561[21:44:32] <rabbitnightmare> my guess
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• 2563[21:44:59] <rabbitnightmare> this should exhibit across all XFCE with SystemD distros
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• 2565[21:45:26] <rabbitnightmare> snd-hda-intel position_fix=1 or fix=2 in alsa-base.conf
• 2566[21:45:50] <rabbitnightmare> try those if reinstalling things doesnt fix it
• 2567[21:46:06] <rabbitnightmare> options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=laptop-dmic
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• 2569[21:46:12] <rabbitnightmare> try that as well
• 2570[21:46:22] <rabbitnightmare> even if its a desktop I have seen it work for people
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• 2574[21:47:18] <rabbitnightmare> alright I gotta bounce I have to go deal with people in the real world UGH
• 2575[21:47:36] <rabbitnightmare> why cant all life's problems be as simple as helping someone with their audio config
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• 2582[21:50:25] <maxrazer> thanks rabbitnightmare. I'll try that.
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• 2658[22:30:04] <swivel> ls
• 2659[22:30:08] <swivel> oops
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• 2666[22:32:14] <linearain> hi
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• 2669[22:33:00] <linearain> can someone tell me why my debian takes up 4GB? it doesnt seem to have much programs, just lxqt, transmission, apache and ssh
• 2670[22:33:51] <linearain> i installed it from DVD iso. Someone told me it copied the entire DVD over, is this true?
• 2671[22:34:03] <EdePopede> linearain: sudo du -s /*
• 2672[22:34:12] <EdePopede> err, copy?
• 2673[22:34:22] <linearain> i mean all the packages?
• 2674[22:34:27] <linearain> what will that command do?
• 2675[22:34:31] <linearain> i cant check it right now
• 2676[22:34:39] <EdePopede> or you may want to use something like ncd or a gui tool
• 2677[22:35:02] <EdePopede> show you how much each of the items (in this case: the top level directories need)
• 2678[22:35:19] <Zombozo> The du command recursively finds the estimated size of directories. It won't sort the output by size, though.
• 2679[22:35:19] <EdePopede> du = disk usage
• 2680[22:35:45] <linearain> thanks
• 2681[22:35:58] * EdePopede uses mc's internal function for such things usually
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• 2683[22:36:13] <ayekat> Zombozo: pipe it into sort :-)
• 2684[22:36:28] <EdePopede> better sort -n ;)
• 2685[22:36:31] <Zombozo> hm yea
• 2686[22:37:02] <EdePopede> though i remember some GUI filemanager which sorted dates by ASCII order(!!!!)
• 2687[22:37:31] <jelly> also, don't do /* and don't do -s because it won't show which specific dir stuff hides in
• 2688[22:37:57] <linearain> so just do du?
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• 2690[22:38:19] <EdePopede> probably java, office and tons of docs
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• 2693[22:38:42] <linearain> i think it does have libreoffice
• 2694[22:39:10] <linearain> im sure i dont need office, whats the best way of removing such software?
• 2695[22:39:16] <linearain> through package manager?/
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• 2697[22:39:25] <jelly> du -x / | sort -n, or du -xh / | sort -h
• 2698[22:39:39] <jelly> sudo du -xh / |sort -hr | head -n20
• 2699[22:39:46] <EdePopede> apt/apt-get/aptitude
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• 2701[22:40:06] <jelly> if you're the kind of person that like -h
• 2702[22:40:46] <linearain> what kind of docs, EdePopede
• 2703[22:40:47] <linearain> ?
• 2704[22:41:04] <linearain> removing directories manually is a bad idea?
• 2705[22:41:52] <jelly> if you don't need a package, uninstall it.
• 2706[22:41:52] <EdePopede> you shouldn't do such things outside $HOME and a few other places
• 2707[22:42:02] <linearain> i see
• 2708[22:42:07] <linearain> alright, got it
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• 2710[22:42:14] <jelly> apt-get purge packagename
• 2711[22:42:38] <linearain> what kind of "tons of docs" it might contain?
• 2712[22:43:04] <jelly> read the output of apt before telling it to continue. It might want to remove other things you like as well.
• 2713[22:43:24] <linearain> sure
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• 2715[22:44:47] <EdePopede> linearain: /usr/share/doc is about 230M here
• 2716[22:45:54] <linearain> one more question. I want my machine to run headless most of the time but I still want to use a desktop environment sometimes. Right now i disable sddm, so it boots into terminal. Is that enough to make sure CPU and memory are not doing anything related to the desktop environment (lxqt) ?
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• 2718[22:46:17] <EdePopede> only ffmpeg is 27M, then 9M of HOWTOs. nearly 2k directories in total
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• 2720[22:47:14] <user99> heh...4.9 GB but then I added build deps and a bunch of docs
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• 2722[22:47:41] <EdePopede> as long as you don't login, only the DM and X should be running.
• 2723[22:47:48] <EdePopede> user99: docs?
• 2724[22:48:32] <user99> helpman, deb-ref etc
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• 2728[22:48:57] <linearain> EdePopede, DM and X will be running even with sddm disabled? Are these processes cpu intensive?
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• 2736[22:53:56] <linearain> are dm and x necessary to have just the terminal output?
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• 2751[23:00:03] <Tom-_> hi linearain, i lost track of your questions. if you start no DM then yes that is enough to make sure no RAM or CPU is used by DM or X
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• 2753[23:02:20] <linearain> Tom-_, thanks. If I start the desktop environment with "systemctl start sddm" and later stop it with "systemctl stop sddm", are RAM and CPU again free of anything related to it, without reboot?
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• 2756[23:05:05] <Tom-_> yes, linearain
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• 2758[23:05:18] <linearain> Tom-_, thanks, that sounds great
• 2759[23:05:41] <Tom-_> yesh i appreciate Linux too
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• 2763[23:08:09] <maxrazer> Can't install Viber voice program: replaced-url
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• 2766[23:10:28] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: jessie was the last version of Debian to include the libssl1.0.0 package. You could install that package from jessie (which is supported by LTS until june 2020), find a newer version of this viber package that uses an up to date library, or just don't use viber.
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• 2768[23:11:29] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, Ok, I thought that might be the option. Is installing that package normally safe? I guess Viber isn't very up to date with linux.
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• 2773[23:12:43] <maxrazer> Would you add the jessie to sources.list or just download from website?
• 2774[23:12:51] <maxrazer> replaced-url
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• 2776[23:13:15] <jmcnaught> if you just download the package from the website then it won't get security updates
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• 2778[23:13:52] <jmcnaught> Generally it's safe to install packages from an older release (as long as they still have security support), but it is unsafe to install packages from a newer release.
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• 2782[23:16:23] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, Ah ok. Security updates is good as a practice. I doubt that will happen with this old version though.
• 2783[23:17:05] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: replaced-url
• 2784[23:17:32] <jmcnaught> so it could happen again before June 30 2020 when Jessie LTS finishes.
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• 2786[23:17:57] <maxrazer> Ok. I'll have to add to sources.list and do the target command for that library to jessie on install.
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• 2789[23:18:39] <jmcnaught> because the package doesn't exist except in jessie you probably don't even need to target the release. Can always test with "apt-get -s …" first
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• 2791[23:20:06] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, Yeah looks like it because the version is in the package name.
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• 2793[23:21:51] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, Ok, Viber started thanks! I'm trying Viber and Skype. I think they are two good options.
• 2794[23:22:22] <maxrazer> There is also Signal, but no support for voice on desktop version yet.
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• 2796[23:25:39] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, An interesting thought just occurred to me that somehow the package manager knows to keep the old version when I upgrade?
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• 2813[23:43:23] <slee> hi, running debian for the first time...trying to stat a service for a program i just installed(sudo systemctl restart jellyfin) returns: Failed to restart jellyfin.service: No such method 'RestartUnit'
• 2814[23:43:32] <slee> s/stat/start
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• 2818[23:47:06] <maxrazer> slee, I've only messed with services a bit. It should recognize that service name.
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